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What's up guys? 
My name is Alexis, your host 

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with praises in the pot, and I 
am so excited to be here with 

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Chelsea Brown. 
We have been talking about this 

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for a while, yes, going back and
forth, but we're here today. 

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We are going to be talking about
her testimony and just 

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everything in between. 
So we're going to start off in 

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prayer and then we're going to 
jump right in. 

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So here we go. 
Lord Heavenly Father, just thank

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you for letting us gather here 
today and talk about your 

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goodness and your faithfulness. 
Lord God, I'm just so thankful 

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that Chelsea can come in here 
and talk about what you have 

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done in her life, Lord God, and 
just how she has been a light to

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others. 
She's been a light to me and I'm

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just so excited for others to 
hear to her testimony today. 

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Lord, I pray that you speak to 
us and through us and let this 

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episode glorify you. 
In Jesus name I pray. 

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Amen. 
Amen. 

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Amen girl. 
So I mean truly first Chelsea is

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a worship leader at our church 
and girl, you have the most 

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beautiful voice I have ever 
heard in my life. 

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I wish you could sing right now 
so I can put you on the spot 

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though. 
But like, really night Naomi 

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Rain feel when you sang one of 
her songs a few weeks ago, was 

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it one name? 
Yes, I love that song. 

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I was like, me and my mom were 
just like, hang on now, is this 

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Chelsea song or Naomi song 
right? 

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But yes, it's been such an 
amazing, like it's been so 

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amazing for me to watch you on 
stage and just hear you even 

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pray and lead and like you'll 
bring out scripture sometime and

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talk in between and just so 
beautiful. 

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And I remember one night you 
were talking about something, 

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can't even tell you what you're 
talking about, but you just 

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touched my heart and instantly I
text you while you're still on 

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stage. 
You probably still had your 

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phone in there. 
And honestly, and I was like, 

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hey, girl, do you want to come 
on? 

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Yeah. 
So I'm super excited today, but 

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let's go ahead and get jump in. 
Let's go ahead and start maybe 

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at your childhood. 
Tell us a little bit about that.

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OK, so I'm actually originally 
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That's where I was born. 
But I've, I was raised mostly 

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here in in Georgia. 
I moved with my grandparents 

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probably around age 4, I believe
it may have been a little later.

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Like my, my childhood just feels
like such a like kind of a blur 

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those first like few years, 
which is so crazy because people

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will be like, yeah, I remember 
in kindergarten this and that. 

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And I'm like, I don't, I don't 
remember any of that. 

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But so I do remember when my 
life picked up in Georgia, I was

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raised mostly by my grandparents
on my mom's side. 

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And my dad really wasn't super 
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He would pop up every once in a 
while, but he was kind of in and

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out of jail. 
So we didn't have the best 

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relationship growing up. 
We really don't have a 

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relationship now, but I have 
that relationship with my mom 

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still because it was her 
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She was more active in my life, 
but we still had some issues 

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because from my perspective, it 
just seemed like she was always 

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choosing men over me, mainly my 
brother's father at the time. 

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And so that was really tough as 
a child. 

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But I I can still say that I was
very blessed because my 

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grandparents provided everything
I needed. 

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Like, I didn't miss that 
fatherly love because my grandpa

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was my entire world. 
And I'm really going to try not 

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to cry when I talk about him 
'cause I miss him so much. 

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And my grandma, like she was 
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She was such a strong woman. 
She's probably where I get a lot

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of my hard head in his room. 
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too. 
He's like, yeah, you definitely 

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get that from your grandma. 
And but I'm, I'm so thankful for

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it because she shaped me into 
the woman that I really am 

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today. 
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was able to survive on my own 
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And I didn't really like sink 
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I was able to just keep going. 
But yeah, I didn't grow up in a 

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household that was really 
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I mean, I we prayed over like 
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town over like holidays and 
everything, but we didn't really

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talk about Christ. 
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anything to do with church was 
when a friend of mine from 

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elementary school invited me to 
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And that was that was great. 
But I also was a kid and I was 

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like, I want to do all the fun 
things and like, you know, I, I 

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did the Bible scripture 
memorization so I can get my 

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little pins on my back when they
did the Awana vest. 

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I don't know if they still do 
that or not. 

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They do. 
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The kids running around the 
other night and I was like Oh my

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that's the best. 
Was stacked. 

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Yeah, I. 
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town when I had like all the but
it I will say it, I don't think 

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it really impacted me. 
I think I was just memorizing 

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scripture to check things off 
'cause I wanted those pins. 

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It really wasn't until like 
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I was really interested in what 
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I guess more along the lines of 
who he was. 

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Like I just wanted to know more 
about him. 

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And it was so hard because I 
like had these friends that were

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not making the right choices 
that were they were pretty rough

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in middle school, especially 
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school, they were really rough. 
But I was still like curious 

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about God. 
I just hadn't fully like 

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surrendered to him. 
I got saved in 9th grade and I 

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got baptized actually on 
Christmas Eve, which was really 

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cool. 
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everything was perfect after 
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But we know as believers, like 
it is not all like rainbows and 

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butterflies. 
After you get saved and get 

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baptized and surrender your 
life, it is still an uphill 

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battle. 
But that's because the enemy is 

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going to come after you harder. 
Like if he doesn't have a grip 

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on you, he's going to continue 
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So I got distracted in high 
school and I met this guy that I

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should not have been with at 
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I was like 15 at the time. 
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I thought that was my first 
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And he completely like shattered
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And he probably, he probably 
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So if he sees this, I'm sorry, 
I'm talking about you. 

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But you know, I just like, I 
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him and it completely distracted
me 'cause I met him at church. 

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So I was like, oh, this who God 
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Like he's a Christian. 
He's, he sings, he does music 

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and stuff. 
I was like, oh, this is perfect.

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But the age gap was a huge deal.
And then I got to see another 

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side of him outside of church 
'cause he actually ended up 

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leaving the church we were 
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And he texts me, he's like, hey,
you should come with me to this 

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new church. 
So I completely dropped to my 

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other church. 
And I feel, I still feel so bad 

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about that. 
And I, I probably should call 

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them eventually and apologize. 
It's been so many years. 

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But I was part of the worship 
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I was in the youth, I was like 
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And then I just stopped going 
because of this man because I 

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thought I was in love and I 
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And from that time on, I just 
saw this completely different 

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side of him. 
It was not good. 

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And he was a partier and just 
into a lot of stuff that I had 

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no business being a part of, 
but. 21 and 15 like one that's 

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not good that, you know, you're 
a kid and so like nothing's 

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really matching up. 
So you were probably just like, 

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such and like, lust over him, 
you know, Because, I mean, I was

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like that too. 
I always went up for older men. 

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And then I look back and I'm 
like, I was a kid at that point.

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They shouldn't have even been 
talking to me. 

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Yeah, you know. 
And I know I'm, I might be a 

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little all over the place with 
my story, but I, I felt like it 

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wasn't a big deal because I felt
so mature at that point. 

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Because like, you know, some of 
my story of how I raised my 

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brother, I helped raise my 
brother, my brother and I have a

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12 year age gap. 
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was born, it really felt more 
that I took over like a motherly

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role versus a big sister role 
because of that such big age 

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gap. 
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change diapers. 
I was already babysitting him 

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while my mom would work really 
late at night, like feeding him,

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like just helping take care of 
him. 

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Like I I feel like I'm so 
prepared for our baby that's 

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coming now because that because 
of those like roles that I 

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played. 
But yeah, I just like I felt 

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more mature and I was like, I 
don't want to date anyone my own

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age. 
I want this man and he 

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completely broke my heart, but 
it's probably for the good 

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'cause I wouldn't have called it
off if like if he hadn't. 

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But yeah, so I just, I don't 
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I had a had a rough time with 
men back then and I think it was

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because I was craving, I guess, 
that attention. 

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I felt a lot of abandonment and 
resentment towards my mom 

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because the fact that when I was
growing up, she was always with 

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my brother's father. 
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necessarily always her fault 
because I was so used to living 

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with my grandparents. 
I didn't want to go back to 

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Missouri. 
Like I didn't want to leave them

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here. 
Like they're getting older. 

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I didn't know how much time I 
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And we had built this like great
relationship and they were my 

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entire world. 
I was like, I don't want to 

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leave. 
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born, she, she had come back to 
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then when my brother was born, 
she decided to go back up and 

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stay with her, her boyfriend, my
brother's father. 

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And that was hard because I was 
like, now I'm losing my like 

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sibling that I'm close to. 
And I have other siblings, but 

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he was the one that I was 
closest to because the other 

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ones are through my dad. 
And since I don't have really a 

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relationship with him, I didn't 
have a relationship with them 

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either. 
And so that was hard. 

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I had to decide like, am I going
to stay or am I going to go? 

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I eventually did go up to 
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That was a very rough time. 
I think that's probably when my 

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mom's addiction like picked up. 
I just remember like I didn't 

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think it was a big deal that she
would come home and like drink 

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beer every night. 
But I noticed that it was 

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starting to get bad when her and
her boyfriend would argue and 

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they'd both be drinking. 
They'd both be drunk. 

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And I'm just here with this like
baby, my brother. 

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And I'm just like, I don't know 
what to do. 

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Like this is just it's a hard 
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And if my mom is watching this, 
I'm so sorry. 

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But I do have to talk about one 
story that like, really just 

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shaped my whole just view on 
like, alcoholism. 

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They had both been drinking one 
night and it was fine and 

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everything was like, they were 
having a good time listening to 

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like, old R&B music. 
I went to bed. 

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Next thing I know, I hear them 
arguing is it went from like 

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zero to 10. 
And I hear my mom screaming. 

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I go in there and I mean, her 
face is just covered in blood. 

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I wasn't in there to see the 
incident. 

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But from what she told me, he 
had, like, gripped her hair and,

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like, smashed her head into the 
table. 

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And being like, 13 at the time, 
that was terrifying. 

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And she had been drinking, too. 
So like, she was losing 

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consciousness. 
I had to call the cops. 

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I had to be with her in the 
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AM the next day. 
It was just, it was a really, 

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really rough time. 
And that was when we ended up 

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coming back to Georgia because I
guess that was like the final 

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straw for her. 
Well, I'd like to say that was 

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the final straw, but she did end
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And so just the the whole back 
and forth, having to witness 

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that, having to take on 
responsibility of my brother was

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just a lot for me. 
But it did help me to mature 

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quicker. 
And I will say I'm, I am 

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thankful for that. 
It did just, it helped me to 

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mature. 
Yeah. 

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So we were back in Georgia for a
while. 

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And then at some point she did 
decide to go back. 

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She took Aiden. 
She went back up to Missouri. 

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I want to say that was one of my
grandpa passed away. 

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Sorry, because now I'm trying to
remember. 

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I think he passed away in 2013. 
It's been so long. 

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Like I know it's been over a 
decade and that's what's so 

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crazy time just like flies. 
But he he got sick. 

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He had like diabetes and stuff. 
He really wasn't taking care of 

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himself like he was supposed to.
But she she did end up coming 

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back and living with us right 
after he passed away. 

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And I thought everything was 
going to be good, but that was 

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when her addiction really like 
picked up. 

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Yeah. 
She did not know how to handle 

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losing her dad. 
And I was mad at her too 

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because. 
And I know she was in the middle

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of her addiction. 
So like obviously I give her 

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grace for that now. 
And let me preface too, me and 

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my mom have a wonderful 
relationship now. 

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Like I'm so thankful and is 
completely, completely a God 

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thing, the relationship that we 
have now. 

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But she just, she couldn't 
handle a loss of, of her dad. 

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And then her and my brother's 
father had broken up and it was 

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just a whole mess. 
And I was more mad at her 

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though, because it's like it was
only happening to her. 

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So that's what justified her 
addiction. 

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She was, she just seemed like 
she was like, well, I, she would

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always say I lost my dad. 
OK, I also lost, it feels like I

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lost my dad too, 'cause my dad 
was never in my life and my 

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grandpa was my everything. 
He like, I was Paw Paw's girl. 

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So I was just so angry with her 
then. 

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And then it's like she was here,
but she wasn't present, you 

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know, And I've always, I just 
always wanted that relationship 

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with my mom. 
I always wanted her to just be 

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here, to pick me, to just be in 
my life. 

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And so from pretty much 2013 
until two years ago, 'cause I 

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think she just hit two years of 
sobriety, which is such a 

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blessing. 
I remember when you announced on

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stage that she hit one year. 
Yeah. 

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I was like, oh, my gosh. 
Now I still hadn't put the 

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pieces together that I knew your
mom. 

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Yeah. 
I was like, what a blessing. 

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Like, that is so amazing. 
Like everything. 

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I think that's when you ended up
actually ended up texting me the

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first time, like before you had 
your podcast. 

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I think that's when you texted 
me the first time and I was 

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like, that is so crazy. 
Like you've pretty much known me

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since I was like 13. 
And had no idea really. 

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Like we just started putting the
things together and I'm like, 

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wait, OK, yeah, So. 
Yeah, so. 

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Crazy she she has been two years
sober now, which is great, but 

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pretty much from 2013 till two 
years ago, like it was just full

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blown addiction and it was just 
a dark, dark, dark time. 

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And I will say sorry in 2013, 
that's when we worked together. 

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Yeah, being your mom and you 
wouldn't know. 

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Yeah, I didn't. 
So like, I just remember, you 

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know, she was just like a work 
mother almost to me, like just 

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always just pouring 
encouragement or something. 

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But like I had no idea. 
Yeah. 

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And unfortunately, that's 
another everything that made me 

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mad is because like, I would be 
home and I would get to see the 

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side of it, but then she would 
be out and like she was a 

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functional alcoholic, I guess is
what you would say. 

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But everything just was kind of 
spiraling. 

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She was in and out of like 
detox. 

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My grandma would help her get 
into the detox at at the 

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hospital and she'd be in there 
for a few days and I'm like, OK,

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maybe this time is going to be 
different. 

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She come out, she'd be better. 
But it then it was quick to. 

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Yeah, it was it was really 
rough. 

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And so I was helping to take my 
brother to school. 

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I was helping my grandma, like 
take care of him. 

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And she was still around at the 
time. 

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So like, I didn't have that much
responsibility. 

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Excuse me, sorry. 
But then my grandma got sick 

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literally out of nowhere. 
It feels like in 2017, it was 

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actually on 9/11, which is 
crazy. 

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She started having chest pains. 
I don't remember it because it 

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was the same day that Hurricane 
Irma came through and she 

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started having chest pains early
that morning and they called the

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ambulance. 
They took her to the hospital. 

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I guess after like some chest 
X-rays and some different scans,

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they found lesions on her lungs,
liver, and on her brain. 

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She had stage 41 cancer and I 
was just so blown away because 

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I'm like, how does someone go 
all the way to stage 4 and not 

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know that they're sick? 
Yeah. 

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And like, I still don't know to 
this day. 

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Obviously, I won't know if she 
already knew she was sick or 

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not, but she didn't end up 
passing away very quickly. 

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She was in the hospital from 
9:11 and she passed away October

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21st. 
So. 

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And she was in the hospital the 
whole time. 

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She came home for a few days. 
We ended up doing at home 

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Hospice because she's like, I 
don't want to, I don't want to 

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die in this hospital, which I 
completely understand. 

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Like she stopped doing the chemo
because it just was going to 

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make her sick and she didn't 
want to live like that. 

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And so she came home and she did
get to die peacefully at home, 

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but just really crazy because I 
had to work that day and I felt 

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sick at work. 
And so I ended up leaving, and I

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came home, and I wish, I still 
wish to that day that I had gone

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and, like, sat by her bedside, 
but I just felt so sick. 

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And so I laid in my bed. 
I took a nap. 

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And then my aunt woke me up out 
of my nap and told me that she 

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was gone. 
And my grandma and I did not 

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always get along. 
She was the tougher one. 

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She was not the one that would 
say yes to me all the time. 

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That was my Papa. 
My Papa was like, yeah, you can 

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have whatever you want, baby 
girl. 

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Yeah, My grandma was the one 
that enforced the rules. 

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And so we butted heads a lot. 
But looking back on it, I'm so 

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thankful for that because I 
probably would have been really 

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wild in and out. 
Like I had some years in high 

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school where I was hanging out 
with some rough people. 

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And if it wasn't for the moral 
she instilled in me, I would 

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have probably continued to do 
the things that I wasn't 

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supposed to be doing. 
And I would have never turned 

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away from that. 
But when my grandma passed away,

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my mom just went off the deep 
end. 

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I mean, she was drinking all the
time, was not present at all. 

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I, I fully took on 
responsibility for Aiden. 

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I'd have to take him to school. 
I'd have to cook him dinner. 

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I'd have to make sure his 
homework was done with. 

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Like your grandparents passing 
away, like where are y'all 

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living at this point? 
Like is your mom working and 

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able to pay bills or like are 
you're really having to fill 

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that role in too? 
I'm. 

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Trying to remember if she had 
she, I think she was trying to 

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do some work from home jobs and 
it just like wasn't working out 

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for her because like her 
addiction would take over and 

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she just wouldn't work. 
We were living in our in our 

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house at the time because my 
grandparents owned the house. 

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But then when my grandma passed 
away, we all had to move out. 

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So my aunt was already living 
with somebody. 

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And she actually ended up taking
over with Aiden at that time 

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because I wasn't fully on my 
feet just yet because I mean, I 

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was working at Chick-fil-A 
making like 1250 an hour or 

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something. 
I was like, I can't take care of

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it like a little boy like that. 
My mom had moved into an 

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apartment and I think I'm trying
to remember how she oh OK sorry.

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From the life insurance. 
My grandma did leave behind 

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money for all of us and my mom 
used in a smart way. 

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She used it to get an apartment 
and get herself started. 

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There was there was a small 
break in her drinking at that 

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point. 
I will say that she it wasn't 

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like she's drinking all the 
time. 

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When my grandma first passed 
away and during my grandma's 

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like stay in the hospital, she 
was drinking. 

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She could not cope with it, but 
there was a small window where 

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she like kind of got it together
and she was like, all right, I'm

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gonna get an apartment. 
I'm gonna get all new furniture,

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like Aiden's going to have his 
own room. 

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And it was good. 
But then she stopped working. 

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I don't remember where she was 
working at the time. 

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She did stop working. 
She was just drinking all the 

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time. 
And I had cosigned on that 

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apartment with her. 
I did cosign on that apartment. 

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And I was so mad because I was 
like, you're going to get 

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evicted. 
And she did. 

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She got evicted. 
Luckily, it by the grace of God,

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it did not show up on any of my 
reports, which is amazing 'cause

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I need to get my own apartment 
eventually. 

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I had moved in with roommates 
for the time being, but 

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eventually I was going to want 
my own place. 

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And I'm like, I don't want this 
on my record. 

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So when she got evicted, we told
her we were like, you have to go

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to rehab. 
Like you have to. 

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Otherwise, like I told her, I 
was like, I'm going to take you 

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to the court and I'm going to 
get custody of Aiden if you 

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don't go to rehab. 
So she went to rehab the first 

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time and Aidan was staying with 
my aunt. 

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But I was kind of helping back 
and forth a little bit. 

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I was still in school. 
I was working a lot, so I wasn't

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able to go as much as I wanted 
to. 

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That's a whole whole another 
thing, but we can get to that. 

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But yeah, she went to rehab and 
I was like, OK, maybe this is 

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going to be good for her. 
Like I would go visit her. 

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They would have like family days
and stuff like that. 

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I would go visit her. 
But then COVID hit and they 

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completely shut down. 
Like they weren't allowed to go 

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to see ours. 
They weren't allowed to see 

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their sponsors. 
So it really was like she just 

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had somewhere to stay. 
And it wasn't really a good 

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program for her. 
Like, I don't think she really 

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got anything out of it. 
She had convinced me she said 

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that because they were shutting 
the facility down. 

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And she's like, I don't know 
when I'm going to be able to see

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Aiden again or you again. 
Can I please come stay with you?

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And I should have known. 
I should have should have just 

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let her just. 
Ride it out. 

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I know COVID was really hard for
a lot of people, but I should 

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have just let her ride it out 
for those like few months 

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because everything kind of 
opened back up after a few 

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months because we have to learn 
how to live with COVID And I 

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didn't. 
So I talked to my roommates at 

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the time. 
I said, hey, is it cool if my 

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mom comes to stay and she can 
come stay in my room and like 

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I'll pay extra rent. 
Like I'll take care of 

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everything. 
I'll take care of her groceries 

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and stuff. 
Can she just come and stay so 

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that she can be able to see my 
brother and me and my roommates 

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were cool with it. 
And I wish they had said no 

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because she came to stay with me
and immediately started drinking

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again. 
She had gotten into my 

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roommate's alcohol. 
She went in my my roommate's 

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room and drank all of her 
alcohol. 

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It was so horrible, so 
embarrassing. 

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And then after like COVID had 
died down a little bit, she did 

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go back to the facility. 
But then she like graduated from

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that facility, which I don't. 
I still don't think she was 

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getting what she needed to from 
them. 

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And by this point I had moved in
to my first apartment at 

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Sandpiper and she was leaving 
the facility. 

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She had nowhere to stay and 
apparently I didn't learn my 

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lesson the first time letting 
her live with me. 

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So she came to live with me at 
Sandpiper, her and my brother. 

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So we're in this one bedroom 
apartment, three of us, and 

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they're living out in my living 
room. 

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I have my room and it just, it 
got bad again. 

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She started drinking. 
It was even more embarrassing 

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'cause she would just sit on my 
back porch and smoke, chain 

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smoke and drink for like days, 
for days. 

448
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,560
And, and so I was fully taking 
care of it. 

449
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:58,680
And at that point, like I was 
cooking him dinner, I was taken 

450
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,400
to school. 
I was buying him school 

451
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,720
supplies, buying him clothes, 
whatever he needed. 

452
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:08,560
And it was getting out of hand. 
We were getting to the point 

453
00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,400
where like there was physical 
confrontation between me and 

454
00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:16,400
her. 
She would get in my face and I 

455
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:20,960
had a bad temper. 
I just, I don't know, I just had

456
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,200
a really bad temper. 
I had no patience with her. 

457
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,360
And so if she would get in my 
face, I would push her to get 

458
00:22:26,360 --> 00:22:29,280
her out of my face and it would 
just get ugly from there. 

459
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,400
And so there was eventually a 
breaking point and I had called 

460
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,160
one of her, I think it was one 
of the counsellors from the old 

461
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,000
facility, which I really like 
this lady. 

462
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,960
Even though I didn't like the 
facility itself, I really liked 

463
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,000
her. 
She came over and we basically 

464
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,880
had an intervention with my mom.
We're like, you have got to go 

465
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,680
back to rehab and you have got 
to go to a program that actually

466
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,720
like will give you the resources
that you need to get the help. 

467
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,960
So she ended up going and she 
ended up going to River's Edge 

468
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,560
and she was there for about a 
year. 

469
00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,000
And that one was so much better 
because they actually like, took

470
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:06,800
her to Celebrate Recovery. 
And like, she had her sponsor 

471
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,200
there. 
We would be able to go visit her

472
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:12,600
like every weekend, which was 
nice. 

473
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,880
And they had actual like, 
counselling and coping 

474
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,440
mechanisms that they were giving
her. 

475
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:21,600
And it was a religious place, so
it was nice that she was getting

476
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:27,000
exposed to the gospel as well. 
And so she was there for a year 

477
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:32,000
and then she got out and she's 
been sober ever since, which is 

478
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,840
such a blessing. 
I would like to say our 

479
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,640
relationship has been perfect 
since then, but it hasn't we 

480
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:40,280
it's been a learning curve 
because Aiden was living with 

481
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:41,760
me. 
So I was taking on that mom 

482
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,160
role. 
And because of the fact that she

483
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,760
was in and out of my life when I
was little, I didn't, I know 

484
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,960
she's my mom, but I didn't have 
that respect for her like a 

485
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,680
normal mom and daughter 
relationship. 

486
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,880
Do you know what I mean? 
So that was hard for her, 'cause

487
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,240
she's like, I want respect from 
you and I'm like, you have to 

488
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,200
earn your respect for me, 'cause
at this point, like, I know 

489
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:04,240
you're my mother, but you're 
basically just another adult to 

490
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:05,240
me. 
Like, I'm not going to just 

491
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:08,560
blatantly disrespect you out of 
nowhere, but you're not going to

492
00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:11,960
just get respect for me because 
you're my mom, you know? 

493
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,480
It was, yeah. 
It was really a rough time to 

494
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,920
find that balance. 
So we definitely butted heads a 

495
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,600
lot. 
But I'm just, I'm so grateful 

496
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,520
that she's sober now. 
We are rebuilding our 

497
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,320
relationship. 
Like we call each other a lot 

498
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,960
during the week, which is 
something we've never did 

499
00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,400
before. 
We text a lot, like she'll go 

500
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,200
shopping with me. 
She's super excited about the 

501
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:36,120
baby coming 'cause it's her 
first grandbaby. 

502
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,520
So it's just, it really is just 
a blessing. 

503
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:45,480
And to kind of backtrack. 
So when I got saved in high 

504
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:50,080
school, I said before that like,
I wish it was all rainbows and 

505
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:51,800
butterflies. 
And it wasn't like losing both 

506
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:53,480
my grandparents definitely 
tested my faith. 

507
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:58,120
I was so mad at God. 
I was so mad because like my my 

508
00:24:58,120 --> 00:25:01,400
dad's mom, which I still knew a 
little bit about her, but we 

509
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,600
weren't closed. 
She was a raging alcoholic and 

510
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:04,880
she was in and out of the 
hospital and they were 

511
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,920
constantly telling her, if you 
don't stop drinking, you're 

512
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,080
going to die. 
If you don't stop drinking, 

513
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,400
you're going to die. 
And that woman would just like 

514
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:14,040
bounce up out of the grave like 
she'd be fine the next day. 

515
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,480
And I I just didn't think it was
fair. 

516
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,000
I'm like, God, I don't 
understand. 

517
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:22,440
I don't understand why bad 
people like that like that have 

518
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,360
like no regard for their health,
no regard for their family, no 

519
00:25:26,360 --> 00:25:27,920
regard for any relationship in 
their life. 

520
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,720
Get to live and people like my 
grandparents who work so hard 

521
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,480
and provide for me don't like I 
just I still sometimes something

522
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,760
is very like they got taken from
me way too soon. 

523
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,040
Thankfully, I had people in my 
life that were believers that 

524
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,600
like were able to talk to me 
about the fact that God has a 

525
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:47,280
plan and he completely did. 
Because I would not be the 

526
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:51,760
person that I was that that I am
today if it wasn't for the fact 

527
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,240
that I did lose my grandparents 
that I didn't, that I went 

528
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,120
through that loss. 
Like that loss shaped me. 

529
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,480
I love how you said that, like, 
even when you think that that 

530
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,040
would actually wrecked you, like
the wills would have came off 

531
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,920
and everything else, like you 
were so broken that you had to 

532
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,200
depend on God, like, to get you 
through that. 

533
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,880
Because I, I get that. 
I was raised by my grandparents,

534
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,880
so they are everything to me. 
Like I'm like, if they weren't 

535
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,880
who they are, I wouldn't be 
anywhere. 

536
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,720
Like my mom was an addiction. 
I didn't have a relationship 

537
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:24,760
with my dad. 
Literally. 

538
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,760
Our stories are so much alike. 
Yeah, So, you know, my 

539
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,120
grandparents just poured 
everything. 

540
00:26:30,120 --> 00:26:34,240
So in that moment, I've thought 
about it, I'm like, I thank God 

541
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,320
I'm on this side of Jesus, 
'cause if I would have lost my 

542
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:41,040
grandparents, like before I came
to Christ, I would have like 

543
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,440
lost it. 
Yeah. 

544
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,240
Like you depended on God in that
moment, like during these very 

545
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,960
tough seasons, like, and it 
started to shape you and grow 

546
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,000
you and prune you and just like 
teach you more about Christ. 

547
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,000
So you saw the, the bigger 
picture, I guess. 

548
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,720
Yeah. 
I think my grandpa's death 

549
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:03,240
affected me more because of the 
fact that we were closer and so 

550
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,680
I will say when he passed away 
and I was so mad at God, I did 

551
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:13,600
backslide quite a bit back then.
I fell into the wrong friend 

552
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:15,840
group. 
I started smoking weed again. 

553
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,080
I started partying like I was 
not supposed to, and it really 

554
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:25,560
wasn't until like 2015. 
I had a friend in high school 

555
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,400
and I think he could tell he 
knew I was a believer, but he 

556
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,800
was like, I can tell you're 
backsliding. 

557
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,280
So he had invited me to come 
start coming to church again 

558
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,080
because between the time that 
that guy had broken my heart in 

559
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,960
2015, so that's like a 
three-year gap, I had stopped 

560
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,600
going to church. 
I was, I was mad. 

561
00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:44,960
I didn't want anything to do 
with the church that he was at. 

562
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,080
So I was like, I'm just going to
leave. 

563
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,160
I felt too ashamed to go back to
my old church. 

564
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:52,400
So I just wasn't in church. 
And so my friend had invited me.

565
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,040
He's like, Hey, do you want to 
come to church with me? 

566
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,160
And I was like, yeah, sure, why 
not? 

567
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,120
You know, like, I enjoyed going 
to church at the time and maybe 

568
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:00,880
going to a new church will be 
good for me. 

569
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,880
I almost didn't go that day 
because I was so nervous. 

570
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,480
And I was like, I don't know 
anybody at this church. 

571
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,200
Like, I'm just going to show up 
and be there. 

572
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:13,800
And so I went like, by the grace
of God, I did go and he failed 

573
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,200
to tell me that, hey, I have to 
do sound for church. 

574
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,560
So I'm actually not going to be 
sitting with you. 

575
00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,120
I'm going to be in the sound. 
Yeah. 

576
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:23,080
So I was straight, just sitting 
by myself. 

577
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,120
And I just remember this older 
woman walked in and she 

578
00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:28,800
immediately saw me. 
And she was like, you're new 

579
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:29,720
here. 
I don't know you. 

580
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,000
Who who are you? 
And like, was just like 

581
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,200
immediately just embracing me, 
hugging me. 

582
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:36,440
She's like, welcome to the 
church. 

583
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,600
She was like, how old are you? 
What's your name? 

584
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,120
And I introduced myself. 
And she's like, oh, you have to.

585
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,920
You have to meet my son, Daniel.
And then I was like, oh, OK. 

586
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,160
And then I was thinking that, 
you know, this lady is trying to

587
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,600
introduce me to her son. 
He's probably like weird 

588
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,440
looking. 
He's probably a loner, like has 

589
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,200
no friends. 
And I kid you not, when Daniel 

590
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:00,960
walked in the room, it was so 
dramatic because we used to have

591
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,480
these lights, pillar lights in 
the church that just glowed. 

592
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,120
And the way he walked in, he 
stopped right in front of 1. 

593
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,320
So it just looked like light was
glowing behind him. 

594
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:16,000
And that is where I met my 
husband and it has been history 

595
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,760
since. 
So God works in some mysterious 

596
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,960
ways. 2015 Wow so. 
You got together a long time. 10

597
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,440
years, yeah. 
I knew immediately. 

598
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,640
I was like, I'm not trying to be
this guy's friend like this. 

599
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,400
I want him to be my man. 
That's my man. 

600
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:29,920
We lit up. 
You were like that's. 

601
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,640
Him, which is funny because like
I knew I knew God had, there was

602
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,400
a reason God had called me to 
that church that day. 

603
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,720
And so like it was, it was hard 
meeting a cute boy and not being

604
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,640
distracted the whole message, 
'cause he, he was like, you 

605
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:42,280
should come sit with me. 
So I'm sitting with him the 

606
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,240
whole time and I'm just like, I 
was trying to stay focused on 

607
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,200
the message and I'm glad I did 
because that day the message was

608
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,360
about forgiveness. 
And I needed to hear that so bad

609
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,720
because I needed to forgive 
myself for backsliding. 

610
00:29:55,720 --> 00:30:01,160
I need to forgive myself for, 
hey, I was mad at God. 

611
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,040
I was so mad at God and I needed
to like, let go of that shame. 

612
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,920
I needed to just surrender it 
all to him again. 

613
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,200
And I also had people in my life
I needed to forgive. 

614
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,920
And so I ended up messaging the 
guy that had broken my heart. 

615
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,360
And I was like, I know you 
probably think I'm crazy, but I 

616
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,000
just need to tell you that I 
forgive you. 

617
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,240
And he probably like, doesn't 
think he did anything wrong. 

618
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,920
And you know, that's, that's 
fine, 'cause like we, we learned

619
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,080
that until upset that like when 
you offer people forgiveness, 

620
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,960
it's not for them, it's for 
yourself, it's for healing. 

621
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,960
And so there were so many people
that I had messaged that day or 

622
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,440
called and I was like, I forgive
you or do you, can you forgive 

623
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,000
me? 
Like like just making my amends.

624
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,280
So you already started before 
you started 12 steps. 

625
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,880
Yeah, I had to. 
And like, I mean, you're going 

626
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,520
to be making amends and 
forgiving people for your entire

627
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,280
life, but, but I had to because 
I was carrying so much weight 

628
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,680
back then and I immediately just
felt like 1000 lbs lighter. 

629
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,520
And so I actually rededicated my
life to Christ that week and 

630
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:05,280
it's been, it's been great. 
Like I just, I just feel like 

631
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,560
since then I have really, really
grown in my faith. 

632
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:12,040
So my grandma passing away not 
too long after that, it was 

633
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,880
hard, but it wasn't as hard as 
when my grandpa passed away 

634
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,920
because I had a firmer 
foundation to stand on. 

635
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,600
I was, I was in my word more. 
I was connecting with God a lot 

636
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:24,120
more. 
I had rejoined the worship team.

637
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,400
I had a community of people that
were there to support me. 

638
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:30,320
Like my church was amazing. 
My pastor like came and visited 

639
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,960
with us whenever she passed 
away. 

640
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,800
And so it was, it was really 
good. 

641
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,120
It felt a lot better to be in 
that community, which was the 

642
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,160
difference that I had because 
when my grandpa passed away, I 

643
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:42,880
hadn't been in church and so I 
didn't have that type of 

644
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,000
community around me. 
So that definitely helped. 

645
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,880
And yeah, it's just, it's just 
crazy to see how like God works 

646
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,600
and throughout my life. 
And like I said, like it's not 

647
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:56,840
always going to be rainbows and 
butterflies. 

648
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,880
It's it's definitely not. 
But it's how we deal with those 

649
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,520
situations. 
Do you run to God or do you run 

650
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,320
from God and try to take it on 
yourself? 

651
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,400
And these last like 10 years 
have just been completely like 

652
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,320
seeing those situations and 
surrendering it to him. 

653
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,640
And I'm really feeling blessed 
right now. 

654
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,320
Like I cannot complain about 
where I'm at in life. 

655
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,440
And I know trials are going to 
come. 

656
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,160
I mean, we have a whole baby on 
the way and that's going to be a

657
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:25,000
whole new adventure on its own. 
But I'm very thankful for where 

658
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,680
my faith is at now and the 
foundation I have and the people

659
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,040
I have around me that God has 
placed in my life, and I really 

660
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,040
can't complain. 
So though, yeah. 

661
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:38,360
I was thinking like trying going
back a little bit to your mom 

662
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,520
and why I wanted to talk about 
that because there's so many 

663
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:46,600
times that we, we or other 
people are in these situations 

664
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,680
and we just continue like that 
shaped our life. 

665
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,880
Like there's so many times that 
people are like, oh, I don't 

666
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,960
want to talk about my parents or
I don't want to talk about my 

667
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,720
childhood, but that shaped you 
like that's a big prominent time

668
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,840
of your life where you're 
learning and you're growing and 

669
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,960
doing these things. 
And like we just keep giving 

670
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,720
chances and we keep giving 
chances and then we're broken 

671
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,320
from it. 
We struggle with forgiveness. 

672
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:16,120
We struggle with you want your 
mother so bad, like that's your 

673
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,160
person, you know, so you want 
that. 

674
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,240
So you're doing whatever, but 
then you're damaging yourself 

675
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:22,920
along the way. 
Like holding on. 

676
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:28,840
Yeah, 'cause I remember like in 
2017, my, me and my mom, she 

677
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,640
fell off the wagon, was not good
at all. 

678
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,000
Like didn't even me and my 
husband dated for two years 

679
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,760
before at that point we were 
dating, but we were dating for 

680
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:38,720
two years before my mom even met
him. 

681
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:43,640
So like it for me, the same 
thing, like it was just one day 

682
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,760
you just come to your breaking 
point, like you've got to do 

683
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:47,720
something or I'm done. 
Like I can't keep doing this 

684
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:51,040
with my life. 
And so I get that girl. 

685
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,520
That's why I wanted you to talk 
about it. 

686
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:56,240
And then like, you know, just 
having to raise your brother. 

687
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,320
And that's like, that's really 
heavy because you're young and 

688
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,880
you're just having to take on 
that. 

689
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,680
And I love how you said, you 
know how you didn't want to go 

690
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,719
to church that day and you meet 
Daniel that day. 

691
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,320
Like I'm jumping all over the 
place. 

692
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,000
Like I'm taking notes. 
I'm like, I'm going to hit this,

693
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,679
I'm going to hit this. 
But like meeting Daniel in that 

694
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:20,600
uncomfortable situation, like 
it's just showing us if we're 

695
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,320
obedient to God, like he has 
something in store for us. 

696
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,880
Like not even just meeting 
Daniel, but you heard from God 

697
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,159
that day with that message of 
forgiveness. 

698
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:35,159
And you left with a fresh word 
that, like, encouraged you to 

699
00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:38,600
reach out to people and show the
love of Christ and just just be 

700
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,800
like, look, you didn't even say 
you're sorry, but I forgive you.

701
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,239
Yeah. 
Or can you please forgive me? 

702
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,520
I just had a heart check, like. 
And I love how you brought up 12

703
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:49,800
step. 
I talk about 12 step all the 

704
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,199
time because take a 12 step. 12 
Step. 

705
00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:55,520
Yeah. 
I like, I think 12 Step has a 

706
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,440
stigma that people think it's 
just for people with addiction. 

707
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,600
Oh my goodness, no. 
I some of my best friendships I 

708
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,120
have right now have come out of 
12 Step. 

709
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,920
It is. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

710
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,360
I mean, you just really reflect 
on yourself. 

711
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,760
You reflect on how you got here,
who you hurt, not just who's 

712
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,680
hurt you and just all this 
stuff. 

713
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,720
It's just it's a great class. 
Yeah. 

714
00:35:16,720 --> 00:35:18,680
And there is just such a stigma 
around it. 

715
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,680
Yeah, for sure. 
And I will say like 12 step is 

716
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,600
it is a commitment and it does 
make you dive deep like you 

717
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,160
cannot get the healing you need 
by just skating across the hop 

718
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,280
like you are going to have. 
I, there were things from my 

719
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,880
childhood that we're springing 
up that I was like, huh, I 

720
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,800
didn't realize that bothered me.
Like my dad. 

721
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,080
I like, I really didn't talk 
about my dad a lot on this, but 

722
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:45,520
it didn't, I really don't think 
I, it affected me that much as a

723
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:49,160
child, but looking back, I think
it also did because it's where 

724
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,480
my issues with like men came up.
Like I have like a total issue 

725
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,280
with like male authority for 
some reason. 

726
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,440
I don't know, like when I worked
at Chick-fil-A, I did not get 

727
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,200
along with any of my male 
managers. 

728
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,520
Also, like just how I handled my
relationship with men too, like 

729
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,320
I just was always craving for 
attention and I was always a 

730
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,880
bigger girl in school, so the 
boys didn't really like me back 

731
00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,920
then. 
And so I just, I always was just

732
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,600
looking, looking for somebody to
give me that love. 

733
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,400
And like, like I said, my 
grandpa was amazing. 

734
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,120
He he definitely showed me like 
a father's love. 

735
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:27,760
But I still, I still think that 
not having a relationship with 

736
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:33,160
my biological dad affected my 
decisions growing up and 12 step

737
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,400
made me like made that come up. 
Like, how's your relationship 

738
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,960
with your dad? 
Oh, he's non existent. 

739
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,000
So I like, I just, it doesn't 
bother me and I don't say that 

740
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,280
in a malicious way. 
I really don't have any anger or

741
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,800
anything or resentment towards 
my dad. 

742
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:51,000
I have forgiven him for myself. 
But yeah, I just, it just makes 

743
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,840
you think of stuff that like you
didn't even think really 

744
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,200
affected you 'cause you're like,
oh, he wasn't around, but like 

745
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,520
my grandpa was. 
And so I didn't really miss out 

746
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:03,360
on anything, but on your life. 
And so, yeah, well, I guess in 

747
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:04,880
this. 
And we're going to start to wind

748
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,400
down a little bit, but I want 
you to give an opportunity to 

749
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,080
say like, what's going on with 
you and Daniel now? 

750
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,160
Like what does life look like 
now? 

751
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,920
What's God's revealing to you? 
Or actually like if there's 

752
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,640
something that you haven't got 
to say, like go ahead and say it

753
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,680
in this little segment, but like
go ahead and tell us a little 

754
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,680
bit about now today. 
Well, for people that. 

755
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,200
Do know us? 
They know that we're expecting 

756
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,360
our first baby. 
We're having a little boy in 

757
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,360
January. 
I'm 22 weeks today actually, 

758
00:37:33,720 --> 00:37:35,280
which is so crazy. 
I feel like time is just 

759
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:41,200
completely foam by preparing to 
be a parent has really opened my

760
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,800
eyes. 
Like I was like, I've always 

761
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,640
wanted kids and Daniel's always 
wanted kids. 

762
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,600
But now that we actually have a 
child on the way, I'm like, oh, 

763
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,360
we're really going to be 
responsible for like how this 

764
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:56,240
child grows up, how our son 
perceives the world, how you 

765
00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:59,440
know, his first initial 
relationship with Christ is in 

766
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,600
our hands, which is a really big
weight to carry. 

767
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,840
But it's also such a privilege 
because I because I didn't grow 

768
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,120
up in a household that like was 
raised in church. 

769
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,680
Daniel did, which is great 
because he knows more of that 

770
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:17,440
foundation, but it's just like 
it's a really a time and we 

771
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,200
always have to lean on God, but 
it's really a time where we are 

772
00:38:20,240 --> 00:38:24,960
fully leaning on Christ right 
now and just saying, God, please

773
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,080
prepare us as we become parents,
you know, help us to lead him in

774
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,400
the way he's supposed to go. 
Because also raising a little 

775
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,160
boy is crazy because I didn't 
think about like, you're going 

776
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:38,280
to be raising a little boy who's
going to propose to someone's 

777
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:41,560
daughter one day. 
And that's a big responsibility 

778
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:43,000
because I want my son to be a 
gentleman. 

779
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:47,040
I want my son to also be the 
pillar, like of the household 

780
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,640
and lead his family to Christ. 
And so it's a big 

781
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,080
responsibility, but it's also 
such a privilege to be able to 

782
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:53,160
do that. 
Let's go. 

783
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,280
So that's where we're. 
At right now. 

784
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:59,240
And just seeing how our marriage
is going to shift when we bring 

785
00:38:59,240 --> 00:39:00,960
a baby into the world, 'cause 
right now it's just me and him. 

786
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,840
And like, we can kind of do 
whatever we want, you know, we 

787
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:08,960
can stay up till ungodly hours 
watching TV shows and we can go 

788
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,760
out of town. 
We can do stuff with friends and

789
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,080
like, we can still do that 
stuff. 

790
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,000
And it's not, it's not a loss 
like having a baby, it's such a 

791
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,120
blessing to have a baby. 
It's just things are going to 

792
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:22,440
change. 
And in this time and going 

793
00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:24,840
forward, like it's definitely 
going to be us leaning into 

794
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:30,640
Christ and allowing Him to guide
us as parents when before we 

795
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,360
started. 
We kind of talked about, you 

796
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,360
know, Charlie Kirk this week and
the things that happened. 

797
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,680
And so, I mean, let's talk a 
little bit about the the 

798
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,600
following statements you made 
about like where you are today 

799
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,400
and what you want to move 
forward doing. 

800
00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:49,720
Yeah, So not to like Harp. 
On Charlie Kirk too much 'cause 

801
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:54,800
I know that's been all over 
social media and what happened 

802
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,240
was absolutely horrible. 
I mean, like I called Daniel and

803
00:39:57,240 --> 00:40:00,320
I was like, why am I crying over
someone I've only seen on social

804
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,840
media? 
Like this is, it's just 

805
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,320
horrible. 
But the one thing that really 

806
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,960
like I admired about Charlie, 
like besides all the political 

807
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,880
stuff, because I, I really don't
pay attention to politics like I

808
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:15,480
probably should, was his faith. 
Yeah, he wanted to be remembered

809
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,080
for his faith. 
And I want that so bad. 

810
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,080
I want when I pass away one day,
I want people to be like. 

811
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,280
She was a believer. 
I have full confidence that that

812
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:30,840
she is walking with Christ now. 
And I guess it has encouraged me

813
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,320
to be more bold in my faith 
'cause I had shared with you 

814
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,240
that sometimes it feels like I 
do have some friends from my 

815
00:40:37,240 --> 00:40:40,520
past still. 
And they know I'm, they know I'm

816
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,160
a believer and they know that 
I'm very active in church and I 

817
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,080
talk about my faith with them, 
but I feel like I don't talk 

818
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:49,120
about it enough. 
Tucker Hall had actually said 

819
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,200
one day at Byron. 
And it really stuck with me that

820
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,720
some of us are loving people too
much, that we're loving them 

821
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:57,880
straight to hell, which has 
stuck with me. 

822
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,320
I know it has stuck with me 
because I'm like, I feel like I 

823
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,360
have people in my life that I 
definitely have shared my faith 

824
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,480
with, but I haven't like shared 
it in the way that it needs to 

825
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,360
be shared. 
Like letting them know that yes,

826
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:15,560
you're, you're sinning. 
I sin too, but Christ has 

827
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,080
forgiveness for that. 
Christ has grace for that. 

828
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,000
And I just don't feel like I've 
been bold enough. 

829
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,440
And so that has really 
encouraged me to be more bold. 

830
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:28,360
I told my husband that I was 
like, I want to, I just want to 

831
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,680
like scream about my faith at 
the like top of my lungs. 

832
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,920
And I know like, I'm sure that's
not what Charlie Kirk intended. 

833
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,000
He doesn't he, he doesn't want 
it to be about him. 

834
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,640
He he just wants to be about 
Christ. 

835
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,120
He wants people to look at him 
and look at his story and see 

836
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,120
nothing but God in the whole 
thing. 

837
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,720
And so that's just really 
encouraged me. 

838
00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:50,120
I just want people to look at my
life and know that I've been 

839
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,400
through some stuff and it is 
only by God's grace that I am 

840
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,640
where I am today. 
So I just want to be more bold 

841
00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:58,960
about it. 
I want to share my story. 

842
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,600
And so I was really nervous 
coming on here, but I'm so glad 

843
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,320
that I did because I, I want to 
share what God is doing in my 

844
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,640
life because I want people to 
know that no matter where you're

845
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:10,560
sitting in life, no matter if 
you feel like you're at your 

846
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:14,800
very bottom, God still has a 
place for you and does. 

847
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:16,960
That's good, girl. 
So we're going to end right 

848
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,360
there. 
I think that was great. 

849
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,440
Unless you had anything else 
that you wanted to hit, I think 

850
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:22,440
I'm good. 
Thank you so much. 

851
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,000
For having me, yes this has been
amazing. 

852
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,520
I absolutely love getting to 
know you more and just seeing 

853
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,000
how many parallels we have. 
But all right guys, I hope you 

854
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,400
enjoyed this as much as we did. 
Stay tuned, stay blessed, and 

855
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:36,880
we'll see you guys later. 
Bye.

