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What's up, guys? 
My name's Alexis. 

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And I'm Abby. 
And we're your host with praises

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in the pod. 
We are going to be talking about

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sanctification, surrender. 
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And just kind of catching up 
too, because it's been a while. 

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It really has been a while. 
We've said that before, but it 

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really has been a while since we
sat down to record. 

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And we're going to talk about 
all that and just all kind of 

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stuff. 
So we're going to start off in 

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prayer and then we're going to 
jump right in. 

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So here we go. 
Lord Heavenly Father, thank you 

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for all of the things that you 
are doing in our lives. 

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Lord God, we just thank you and 
we praise you for Abby and Lily 

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Ruth, Lord God, and just that 
whole situation that has been 

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going on, Lord God, but above 
all else, just for that precious

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life. 
You have such big plans for her 

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and we are so thankful for her. 
We just pray that you speak to 

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us and through US today. 
We just pray that everything 

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that we do in this podcast and 
outside of this podcast 

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glorifies you. 
Let let us just glorify your 

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name in this episode. 
In Jesus name, I pray Amen. 

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All right, so you're not 
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No. 
You're she's not pregnant. 

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This is the first episode you've
done since you've had Lily Ruth.

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Yes. 
Her name is Lily. 

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Yes. 
And so, I mean, we've been 

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recording. 
For that is not her, said her 

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name. 
I thought so. 

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Prior did I or didn't we say her
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I don't know anyway it. 
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we. 
Were I don't know, I have and 

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don't ask me right now because I
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Yeah, I don't know what's up or 
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Plus a toddler trenches yes, 
that's a different even that's. 

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Called what? 
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had Sutton and we enjoyed it. 
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time to just soak in the moments
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now? 
No, not with a crazy little 

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toddler run out on and one 
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Yeah, I have one that talks. 
It's Patty Cash. 

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I was going to ask that because 
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transition between zero to 1 is 
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you're saying you feel as if one
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Yeah, for me, it has been. 
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you know, because I, I hear that
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But I was like, man, for me, 
this seems like it's been more 

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rough going from 1:00 to 2:00 
because when it was just me and 

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Dexter, you know, he could have 
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do whatever, relax, take a nap 
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when we had just had the baby. 
But now it's like, someone's 

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going to have the toddler and 
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You know what I mean? 
So you never get a break. 

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But not even just that. 
I was thinking about it and I 

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was like, I had a baby. 
Probably the worst time of the 

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year, January. 
Oh, well, girl, we have been 

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locked inside. 
It's snowed so like Lily has 

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been outside like 3 times. 
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Had fresh air. 
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It's been so cold. 
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January, so it's been rough. 
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too, having sat and had her in 
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outside all the time, you know, 
getting fresh air, just enjoying

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the day. 
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And I haven't had that with 
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So I think that's what's made it
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Yeah, I saw your picture the 
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like, you know, I haven't seen 
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There's a Lily outside. 
Is this her first time? 

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And I was like, matter of fact, 
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Yeah. 
But anyway, so the transition's 

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been rough. 
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a whirlwind for. 
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Yeah. 
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about your transition period or 
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been going on or? 
Yeah, like kind of the birth and

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everything. 
I had my daughter on January 

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9th. 
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labor and delivery and we got to
come home on time and everything

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went perfect. 
She came, she was healthy. 

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That's all that we could have 
prayed and asked for, especially

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with everything that kind of 
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just being home this time. 
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It is just difficult with having
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I really have felt a heavy heart
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my daughter set in the time and 
attention that she needs, which 

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is super important to me. 
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difficult, like I had prepared 
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in it. 
And so it's just been really 

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heavy on my heart. 
It was, it was really tearing me

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up the first second week. 
But then she went back to school

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so that made it a little bit 
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I knew that she was busy at 
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friends and, you know, kind of 
had her mind off of things 

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instead of feeling like at home.
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tell her right now, you know, 
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You don't put your fingers in 
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over the baby. 
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went. 
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like, all right, kiss your 
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know. 
Do not kiss. 

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Your sister or she knows too. 
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of her. 
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the back of her head and stuff 
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she'll be trying to pick her up 
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her toys. 
I mean, it's been it's literally

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it's a mess. 
But she went back to school, got

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sick going back to school this 
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colds, just everything non-stop 
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week, got tested positive for 
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type of upper respiratory virus.
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three weeks, ended up testing 
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She woke up with like kind of 
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and I took her to the doctor 
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told me that she was positive 
for RSV and my heart literally 

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like sank. 
I, I don't even remember in that

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moment everything that was going
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telling me. 
I was just, it was just like the

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room was everything had just 
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terrified of what was going to 
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She was only three weeks old. 
But praise God, he got us 

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through that. 
We didn't end up at the hospital

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for like 2 1/2 days or so with 
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They had to put her on oxygen. 
And probably mentally the worst 

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place I've been in a really long
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like crying to God and just 
being like, I've already been 

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through so much with this 
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Like I can't take this anymore. 
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Like I specifically remember 
saying those words and but he 

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did. 
He still carried me through it 

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and carried us through it. 
Now we're on the other side. 

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And again, it just continues to 
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But did I choose that? 
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Do I want to go through it? 
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It's been really difficult. 
And that's kind of like going to

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lead into what we're talking 
about, like surrendering our 

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lives to Him and surrendering 
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everything because man, 
sometimes what comes our way, we

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would. 
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We don't want it. 
It's not easy, but we got to 

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continue to have our hope and 
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he's going to get us through it.
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So I posted on Facebook and 
Instagram and stuff on my 

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socials and I was like, what 
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about? 
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came in was sanctification. 
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hand with surrender. 
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for surrender. 
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y'all talk about sanctification 
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And so, 'cause it's so hard to 
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too, like they go hand in hand. 
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sanctification. 
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was saying like, what are 
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surrender, right? 
And I'm like, what are practical

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ways you consider, you know, 
because like it looks different 

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the long that you walk with 
Christ. 

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So did you write stuff down that
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about it or? 
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Let's start with you. 
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I mean, like what you were 
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said both of those terms to me, 
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to when everything started for 
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So we had to be broken first, 
surrender everything to him, 

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which then kind of starts the 
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we surrendered like our desires,
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our daily just everything to 
him, which started the 

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sanctification process. 
And when you surrender to him, 

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you start trying to listen to 
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you, which kind of starts he 
starts working on your heart and

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working on certain things, which
again leads into that 

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sanctification process. 
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daily trying to become more 
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It's a daily grind. 
It's something that you, it's, 

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it's not just a one time, one 
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It is something that we have to 
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So we have to surrender daily, 
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process every single day. 
I'm having this conversation 

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with someone this past week of 
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with like something that they're
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they can't find scripture that 
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It it like it is and it's in 
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to almost justify it in a way 
like but this and this and this 

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and this and like just going 
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And so one of the things that I 
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episode about TV shows, right? 
So my flesh will say that's no 

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big deal. 
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when we sin, we get further away
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Like we're getting further away 
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sin because he's sinless. 
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anywhere near him because he's 
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So surrendering those desires, 
surrendering those things that 

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we want to do to for like in our
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things, but we're not because we
want to be close to him, right? 

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So like a surrender is something
that is something that maybe we 

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do want to do and we just can't 
really figure out why it's so 

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bad, but we know that it's not 
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Jesus. 
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it, anything that I've usually 
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or an opposition to wanting to 
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And I kind of had this nudge or 
I kind of had this gut feeling 

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that like, oh, I need to give 
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Like let's say drinking. 
I knew I kind of needed to give 

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that up or oh, I know I need to 
tie more. 

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I just don't know if I can. 
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opposition starts, like in my 
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whatever I'm feeling that's in 
those moments, I've learned that

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I have to stop and just be like,
OK, no, Lord you, I'm going to 

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do it 100%. 
And I'm going to let you take it

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from here on out. 
And I'm not. 

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I'm not going to oppose it 
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Let me just stop the drinking. 
Let me just start the tithing. 

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Let me do what you're telling me
to do 100%. 

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Does that make sense? 
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Like. 
Why don't you test out 

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surrender, correct. 
Like Pat says this about tithing

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is like the Lord says, test me, 
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Tithe your time, time your 
money, tithe. 

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Did I say, did I say whatever? 
Tithe your time, right? 

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Hive your money like tithe these
things and see the Lord work in 

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your life, right? 
Like if you feel like there is 

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something in your life that is 
pulling you away from Christ, 

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give it up, surrender it, lay it
down and see what He can do it. 

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Can even be a person you're 
dealing with because I thought 

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about this too. 
Do it, Yeah. 

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So it can even be a person 
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responses. 
So this is what the Lord. 

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Just ate me up. 
Yeah, and he's told me to talk 

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about this because he said I'm 
serious, he said. 

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Like your responses are 
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supposed to surrender over to 
me. 

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And here's what I always say is,
OK, I'm opposing what I really 

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what you want me to say, Lord, 
because you want me to respond 

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this way. 
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And this is how I know I have in
my gut feeling, you're telling, 

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I know the spirits leading me 
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your word is good. 
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to say, but I'm going to try to 
just say this and I want to word

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it this way. 
Nope. 

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You got to stop. 
You got to fully commit to what 

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he is telling you and how to 
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And that is like full surrender.
Are you talking? 

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About me on this. 
No, girl. 

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Well, I was wondering because 
the other day when I was 

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texting, you were like, Alexis, 
I'm going through it. 

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And I'm like, did my texts come 
off like, so raw? 

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No, no. 
OK. 

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I'm like, hang on, are you 
talking about me? 

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Too. 
No, I'm serious. 

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When I was talking about things 
to surreal, I'm thinking about 

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like just even simple things. 
It's not. 

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It don't have to be the big 
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Daily surrender is the small 
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Yes, I think it's more of the 
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things. 
Because the big things are going

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to come over time. 
I'm just so like so mind 

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boggled, so mind boggling that 
you brought this up because like

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I really have been having a hard
time with someone in my life and

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just like we just, it's, we are 
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Like we are just sanding the 
crap out of each other like, and

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you know, the Lord is trying to 
work through that with me. 

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Like Alexis, just let it go. 
Like you don't have to respond. 

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You don't have to give a 
response. 

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Like the way that you do respond
is important. 

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Like just go out of your way. 
Like the truly kill them with 

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kindness. 
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will take kill them for kindness
the two different. 

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Want to go? 
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And then I'm being petty about 
the kindness, you know? 

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So the Lord is working with me. 
Y'all, the Lord's just working 

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with. 
That's something I'm going 

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through right now. 
Right. 

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Yeah. 
You know what? 

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You're you're kind of given 
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I don't, I don't want to 
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what you got to give over to 
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Yeah. 
So and, you know, recently, 

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recently, recently was I don't 
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without it coming off 
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So y'all hear my heart? 
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hear my heart. 
There's one person that I 

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specifically kind of wanted to 
have in the pod and like some of

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their social media has cussing 
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OK. 
She more recently just came to 

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the Lord and I was talking to 
somebody about this and they 

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said, well, how long she been 
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You know, like, yeah, the 
sanctification process is still 

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going on. 
What a powerful testimony that 

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is just to still say like, I 
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I gave up this. 
I'm walking to the Lord now. 

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Yeah. 
She might still struggle with 

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some, you know, some cussing 
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What are you struggling with? 
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Like it was just something that,
you know, because social media 

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is so big, because when we have 
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or giving this people the 
opportunity, they're going to go

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look. 
And I don't want anyone to come 

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on here and be a stumbling pot 
for some, right? 

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And so there's just always this 
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But when they said that, I'm 
like, she's still in the 

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sanctification process. 
We're all still in the 

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sanctification process. 
Like I'm still being worked on 

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with this person, like the 
things that I do, the TV shows I

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watch. 
It's going to be a day long 

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process because we'll never be 
able to attain the holiness of 

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Christ. 
It's something that we are 

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striving towards, yes, well 100%
never get there until we're 

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called home. 
What I was just thinking about 

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too is like, OK, this is been 
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had yesterday and today, like 
Christianity following Christ is

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being comfortable being 
uncomfortable. 

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OK? 
Did I say that right? 

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OK. 
Yeah, I'm going to read 

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something too that you're 
talking about because it was so 

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good. 
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surrender. 
I'm thinking about what it looks

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like to pick up your cross every
single day. 

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What does it look like to pick 
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It looks uncomfortable like it 
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Because think about what Jesus 
endured on the way up to, you 

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know, up there and he's carrying
that cross. 

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He's already been beaten. 
He's already in severe pain, 

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agony carrying this massive 
cross. 

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It's not easy. 
And at the end of it he always 

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says not my will, but your will.
Yes. 

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And so like I'm thinking, what 
does that look like every day? 

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Are these things easy to give 
up? 

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No. 
Or or is it easy to pick up your

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cross and deny your flesh? 
No, but the Lord says pick up 

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your cross and follow me every 
single day. 

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It's not just a one time thing, 
right? 

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When you say that prayer, it's 
literally this morning when I 

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wake up. 
Lord, you go before me. 

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Yeah, like let me yield to your 
spirit. 

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Right. 
Yeah, that's so good. 

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I I had two things that like 
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good that I saw one of them was 
Phil Robertson. 

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So he said you've got to come to
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beginning of God. 
That's good. 

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Like how true is that? 
You got to completely be at the 

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end of your wit with yourself 
and what's your desire and what 

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you want to do to even find and 
and really see how God can work 

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in your life. 
Because if you don't ever do it,

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you won't really see the beauty 
and what he can start doing. 

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Like if you had never given up, 
you know, the party life 

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drinking and truly surrendered 
that and even surrendered do 

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starting this because you you 
had to surrender your fears. 

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You got to think backs, you had 
to surrender your fears and 

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anxiety. 
You wouldn't be right here right

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now. 
So if you never even take that 

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step and come to the end of 
yourself, you won't even find 

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the beginning of God. 
I thought that was so good. 

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Because you do like, you have to
be taught like truly, we always 

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say you got to be sick and tired
of being sick and tired. 

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Like, and you really do like if 
you're comfortable with your 

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life and sin and you're just 
like numb to what could be like.

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There's so many times that 
you're just not willing to give 

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it up. 
You truly do have to come to the

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end of yourself and be like, I 
need better. 

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I need hope. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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And I wrote down like for 
surrender, kind of we have to go

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through too. 
I think surrender starts with 

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your heart first. 
Like your heart has to be open 

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to accepting Christ and and 
surrendering your wants and 

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desires over to him. 
But we have to kind of go 

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through too, and take like an 
inventory of our lives and, and 

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look at like, what am I still 
trying to control? 

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What do I need to give over to 
him? 

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What does he nudge me on 
changing? 

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I remember having a conversation
with my dad and he was, he had 

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already been saved for, I mean, 
goodness, eight years or so. 

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It'd been a while. 
And I think he was saying the 

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Lord's working on me, on my 
pride right now. 

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He's already worked on this, 
this and this with me. 

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And now he's working on this 
with me. 

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And I thought that was so 
strange the way he said it 

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because at this time I had not 
accepted the Lord is my savior 

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and and changed completely. 
So when he said that I was like,

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huh, he's already worked on 
this, this and this, and now 

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he's working on your pride. 
Like how did he not do it all at

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one time? 
Or it was just confusing to me. 

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So that's what we mean when we 
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is he might have gotten rid of 
the desire to drink in your 

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life, but you actually had a 
struggle with pride or fear or 

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gossip or whatever it may be 
that now he's going to start 

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working on that in your heart 
and start working on that in 

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your life. 
So taking a complete inventory 

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kind of lets you see all of 
those things in your life, you 

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know, money. 
Where do I stand with that? 

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Where do I stand with just 
everything, my friendships like 

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how I am as a mom, just anything
and everything. 

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And you look at that and you, 
you know, kind of. 

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Put it up to the cross and say, 
you know what do I need to give 

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over to you, Lord, or where are 
you working on me right now and 

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learning to surrender that to 
Him? 

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Yeah, you were talking about, 
you know, it starts with your 

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heart. 
And there's so many times that 

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like when I am like speaking in 
front of like a group or 

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something, I always be, I always
started the same pretty much of 

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like, Lord give them the eyes to
see you, the heart to receive 

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you and the ears to hear you. 
The heart to receive you is just

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such a big thing because if your
heart postures off, if it's 

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stone cold like, like truly they
need their heart to be just 

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like, softens in that because if
you go into things with a hard 

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heart, it's hard to change it. 
Yeah, I mean, the Lord can do 

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anything, but if you just are 
just so closed off, you can't 

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receive it right? 
Can't receive what he has for 

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you if you're so closed off. 
Right. 

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So yeah, I. 
Just. 

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I'd read a book by Nancy Demos, 
Brokenness. 

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Do you Remember Me? 
I talked about that before. 

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Have you never read it? 
Have you? 

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No. 
OK, but I want to read the way 

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that she describes brokenness 
and surrender 'cause it's so 

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good. 
She explains it this way. 

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Brokenness is as a choosing, 
ongoing lifestyle of total 

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surrender and humility before 
God rather than a feeling or 

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emotion. 
It is the voluntary shattering 

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of self will allowing the life 
of Jesus to be released through 

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a person, and involves agreeing 
with God about the true 

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condition of 1's heart. 
So yeah, it's almost like you've

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got to be in agreeance. 
Remember how I was saying you, 

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you have that opposition in your
heart to what is truly he's 

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telling you to do. 
And it's coming to an agreeance 

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that no, your way is the only 
way. 

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Like I'm surrendering my way to 
you because it's not ever worked

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out. 
It's never worked out. 

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I'm not where I want to be 
because of that reason because 

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I've always tried to do it 
myself. 

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So now I'm just giving that over
to you. 

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And that's daily surrendering to
him and being broken to his 

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will. 
So I just thought that was such 

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a good explanation. 
And you know, like I'm thinking 

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of like when I surrendered back 
in April of 2023, like when me 

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and Greg were going through 
infertility and all this stuff. 

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And I want to be a mom so bad. 
And it consumed. 

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I mean, that's all I could think
about. 

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That's all I could talk about. 
That was literally my whole life

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of like, you know, we, we got to
try to have this baby. 

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Like we got to try to, you know,
like make all these things. 

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It would just consume me. 
But the day that I truly 

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surrendered that and I heard 
from the Lord and I said, I'm 

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not going to let that happen 
anymore. 

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Like I I'm going to let you or 
my life be consumed by you and 

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what you want from me instead of
what I want. 

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Like go after the Lord as hard 
as you're going after. 

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The thing. 
The thing? 

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Whatever you're going after in 
life that you feel like is just 

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heavy, it is just weighing you 
down. 

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You want it so bad. 
Have that same energy with the 

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Lord. 
Yeah. 

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Run after him full force and let
him show you what he can do. 

452
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,440
Right. 
Because like last night at Small

453
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,720
Group, we were talking. 
We really miss you, girl. 

454
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,520
We really miss out. 
But we're talking at Small Group

455
00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:28,080
and Paige was like saying, you 
know, thank God for all the 

456
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,840
unanswered prayers. 
And that's like, I ain't never 

457
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,000
heard that before. 
What you mean I'm like, you've 

458
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,040
never heard that before. 
But he was saying every prayer 

459
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,360
is answered, right? 
Like it really is. 

460
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,120
There's three ways yes, no or 
not now or wait. 

461
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,440
And so he took it so. 
Literally meaning our prayer 

462
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,040
might not be answered right now.
You won't ask, but exactly God 

463
00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:50,520
has designed it. 
Exactly. 

464
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:54,160
And so like he and so I 
explained, you know, I'm so 

465
00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,200
thankful for that. 
No. 

466
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:59,400
Or that unanswered prayer, what 
I was praying so desperately 

467
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,400
for. 
I'm glad that it wasn't the way 

468
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:07,240
that I wanted it. 
It's so hard to put your won't, 

469
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,120
especially when it's not 
something bad. 

470
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,760
Wanting a baby is not anything 
bad. 

471
00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,440
And I'm like, I know like how 
for me. 

472
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:18,880
It is so hard to put your 
desires to the side. 

473
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,800
For him it is. 
It is not an easy. 

474
00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:24,440
I mean, when you're talking 
about how do you do this 

475
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,040
practically, that's how you do 
it. 

476
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:30,560
And it ain't easy. 
It is very hard as a daily grind

477
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,320
and it's very uncomfortable. 
I'll just say that. 

478
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,600
It's just very uncomfortable. 
And that's what I was going to 

479
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,800
read about obedience that 
somebody wrote. 

480
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:42,720
I thought it was so beautiful, 
but it says obedience is 

481
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,840
beautiful, but it is exhausting.
Not because God is harsh, but 

482
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,440
because obedience requires you 
to fight everything in you that 

483
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,240
wants comfort, control, and 
clarity before taking a step. 

484
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,920
It means saying yes when you're 
scared, moving when you don't 

485
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,880
feel ready, and trusting God 
when the path makes no sense. 

486
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:03,680
Like to me, that's true 
surrender like you're you, we 

487
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,840
constantly won't comfort. 
We constantly are seeking just 

488
00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:11,520
clarity on things, you know, 
just anything comfortable. 

489
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,200
And he's not going to want you 
in that comfort zone because he 

490
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,400
wants you to fully trusting him.
It's literally so funny though 

491
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,280
because you really do have to 
continue to seek the Lord when 

492
00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,560
you're looking for this clarity.
Because like I've recorded a one

493
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,720
off episode by myself talking 
about the last month and what 

494
00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,280
all I've went through with my 
big announcement that I was 

495
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,000
going to do and still hasn't 
came out. 

496
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,520
Probably still ain't even come 
out to this day, but who knows. 

497
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,840
I don't know yet, but I tried to
make it seem like I was being 

498
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,800
obedient and truly I look back 
now and I was, I was very 

499
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,280
disobedient, like I was turning 
the scripture into what I wanted

500
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,640
it to say. 
I was truly listening to God's 

501
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:57,360
voice. 
I'm I'm like, I was so confident

502
00:25:57,360 --> 00:25:59,240
that I knew what he was calling 
me to do. 

503
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,680
And I still yet like just 
twisted it, manipulated it and 

504
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,880
be like, Yep, that's it. 
Sign on the dotted line. 

505
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,720
And like, that is where it gets 
so important to really seek him 

506
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,840
and yeah, and not just try to 
have your heart set on what you 

507
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,560
want, right? 
Like that's what's so hard that.

508
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:22,320
Is and like, you don't even know
how great the plan he has for 

509
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:27,280
you is until you're walking like
time goes by and all this and 

510
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,920
you look back and you're like, 
now it makes sense. 

511
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,000
Yeah. 
But in the time you don't, you 

512
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,800
have no idea. 
You're like, God, I know that 

513
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,160
this is good. 
And if you answer this prayer, 

514
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,800
it's going to everything is 
going to be great. 

515
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,240
Yeah. 
And it's not like I'm like, now 

516
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:46,120
I look back and I'm like, oh. 
Right, he does. 

517
00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:48,720
I write down Proverbs 3 five 
through 6. 

518
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,560
We say it all the time and 
Celebrate Recovery, but it's so 

519
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,120
true and so fitting for today, 
but it's trusting the Lord with 

520
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:56,640
all your heart. 
Lean not on your own 

521
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,800
understanding in all of your 
ways. 

522
00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,200
Submit to him and he will make 
your path straight. 

523
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:05,160
And it's so true. 
It's like if we just lean on him

524
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:10,120
100% and try to continue to not 
feed our flesh, like what you're

525
00:27:10,120 --> 00:27:15,080
saying, you, you still kind of 
had your desires in the mix of 

526
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,120
it and your wants in the mix of 
it. 

527
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,560
And if we don't feed that, which
I still, I mean, obviously we 

528
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,760
all still struggle with that. 
And it's something I work on 

529
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:26,400
daily too. 
And try to you try to suppress 

530
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:32,160
that and allow him to trusting 
in him and what he would have 

531
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,800
and not even say and just be 
like, I don't even care what 

532
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,360
happens. 
Lord, just do you have it. 

533
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,960
Yes, you have it like whatever 
you want to happen. 

534
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:43,560
I was me and my small group of 
11th grade girls. 

535
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:48,280
We were talking one night and 
you know, God has this 

536
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:52,080
destination for us, like a 
perfect plan will that will make

537
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,280
your path straight, completely 
straight to the to like to the 

538
00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:00,360
destination. 
And we're the ones that go left 

539
00:28:00,360 --> 00:28:03,120
right, and we take these long 
ways. 

540
00:28:03,120 --> 00:28:06,600
He still has this plan. 
So don't think that just because

541
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,600
you made this mistake that will 
is done for. 

542
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,240
Like you're still heading, like 
you can still get that same. 

543
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,960
Education is lifetime. 
Yes, you're just getting, you're

544
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,760
getting closer and closer and 
closer like. 

545
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,160
And we might inch sometimes. 
And sometimes we might take more

546
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:24,920
elites. 
We might. 

547
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,400
We might. 
Be having 75 and a 45. 

548
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,760
But getting it good this month, 
next month we. 

549
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,960
Fell off, Fell off. 
Like I tried to explain this to 

550
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,800
them, like leaving the church or
leaving here, leaving my house 

551
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,640
and heading to your house. 
You can take 32 ways to get to 

552
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,920
your house from my house. 
Like there's not just one 

553
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,040
perfect, like there is one 
perfect easy route to your 

554
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,680
house. 
But we're going to get off. 

555
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:51,640
We're going to do all these 
things. 

556
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,280
But you can always get right 
back on. 

557
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,440
Yeah. 
You can always find God's will 

558
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,240
again because there'll it. 
You'll just know when you're 

559
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,640
walking in his will. 
I was telling my mom that at 

560
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,320
lunch today. 
It's like, it's so crazy because

561
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,840
I never would have considered 
myself a workaholic probably 

562
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,760
five years ago, right. 
And honestly, I'm having to 

563
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,560
start surrendering some things 
because I like, called somebody 

564
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,480
out the other day and I was 
like, man, they traded one 

565
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,120
addiction for the next. 
And I was like, oh, that clock 

566
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,720
might see because I did too. 
Like, I love to work. 

567
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,240
I love to be busy. 
I love to set a goal and run 

568
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:28,880
towards that goal. 
And so I was telling my mom like

569
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,160
five years ago when I was still 
in beauty sales, I hated my job.

570
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,040
I, I thought I was the laziest 
person. 

571
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,880
I barely worked. 
I mean, I'd still make good 

572
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,760
money, but like, I was doing the
bare minimum, right? 

573
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,560
And I remember always thinking 
to myself, like, you're so lazy,

574
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:50,200
like you barely do anything. 
But then the moment that I got 

575
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,600
in God's will, I'm like, I love 
what I. 

576
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,920
Do right? 
I love going to work every day, 

577
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:56,800
I and it's. 
Easy. 

578
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,640
And it's easy. 
And you always hear people say 

579
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,000
like, if you love what you do, 
you'll never work a day in your 

580
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,320
life. 
And it's like you're still going

581
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,360
to have days like December. 
I was screaming and crying up 

582
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,800
here saying how bad my life was.
And I had to take a break. 

583
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:15,640
And I hit my. 
Floor and it again. 

584
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,640
I hit my first like burnout 
people say, you know, burnouts 

585
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:23,560
real, ministry burnouts real. 
And like I was like how I love 

586
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,320
working for the Lord. 
I love this Kingdom work and 

587
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,480
like I hit it and I understand 
it now. 

588
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,080
And so now I am trying to do 
better. 

589
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,240
Like we're going through the 
series enough and enough doesn't

590
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:40,320
have to just be physical things 
like money and stuff like that. 

591
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,920
Enough could be your time. 
Like you have enough on your, 

592
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,920
your mental state. 
Yes, your mental like you have 

593
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:48,920
enough going on. 
You don't have to keep adding 

594
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,680
because sometimes it is 
self-inflicted. 

595
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,920
We're just here's my plate. 
What else can you add on it? 

596
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,960
Oh, you want me to do this? 
Yep, perfect what? 

597
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,600
Yep, perfect. 
And so we're adding those 

598
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,400
things. 
And so when we're Sunday 

599
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:06,200
morning, I get a text from like 
somebody I do side work for and 

600
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,560
he's like, hey, or she said, 
hey, do you want to pick up the 

601
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,960
shop or something? 
I was like, enough is enough. 

602
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,280
And I sent a picture of the 
screen and I was like, Nope, I'm

603
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,800
good. 
And so learning boundaries truly

604
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,920
is a part of surrender for me 
because because I love doing 

605
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,200
things. 
Yeah, at it. 

606
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,720
It's the small things in life 
that you don't realize, that you

607
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:30,200
don't get over to the Lord. 
Yeah, that's what I'm saying is 

608
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,520
that we always think of the big 
things, but really our life is 

609
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,320
more consumed with the smaller 
things. 

610
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:38,400
Yeah, because the snowball 
effect is like I always talk 

611
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,840
about it in the sin, like small 
sins lead to big sins, and it 

612
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,880
just keeps growing and growing 
until your life's out of 

613
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,320
control. 
But the snowball effect is also 

614
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,840
sanctification. 
Surrender those small things, 

615
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,200
give up those small things and 
watch how the big things start 

616
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,960
changing. 
Like don't try to quit vaping, 

617
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,600
smoking and doing all this stuff
all in one day, right? 

618
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,360
I would love for you to. 
Not saying no, but. 

619
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,880
At the same time that you can't,
Yeah, you just got to listen to.

620
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,680
Lord, just start small, like 
don't feel because I Remember Me

621
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:11,440
and you both like we're like we 
can't go the rest of our lives 

622
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,640
without drinking literally like 
I might can get through today 

623
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,480
and tomorrow, maybe tomorrow's 
Fridays. 

624
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,240
I'm like, I know we'll have. 
To start back over Monday. 

625
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,400
We don't. 
Yeah, I'm gonna start back over,

626
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,000
but, you know, truly get through
today. 

627
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,160
One day at the time. 
Yeah, for sure. 

628
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,920
So cliche, but so. 
It's powerful, powerful. 

629
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,640
What it can do. 
It really is That's that's 

630
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,560
what's gotten me and Dexter so 
far. 

631
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,920
Where we are is we just started 
with one thing. 

632
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,640
Yeah. 
We didn't start, you know, 

633
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:47,000
reading our Bible every morning 
time and doing all of the things

634
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,680
a part of life group serving at 
church that next Monday. 

635
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,520
We decided it on Sunday. 
It all came at the Lord placed 

636
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,240
it in our life. 
But we started with saying, yes,

637
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,960
Lord, we just know we want you 
and that's it. 

638
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,520
And then he placed on our heart,
OK, no more drinking. 

639
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,280
And we started there and that's 
it. 

640
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:12,000
And then from there, everything 
else daily we started just 

641
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,000
saying to him, yes, Lord, OK, 
what do you want us to do? 

642
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,520
What do you want for our 
marriage? 

643
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,440
What do you see for our life? 
And that's how you we got to 

644
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:22,360
where we are today. 
That's how you got to where you 

645
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,360
are today. 
That's how anyone gets to where 

646
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,800
they are in the sanctification 
process and daily surrendering 

647
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,680
everything to him. 
Because if you can look back in 

648
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:36,880
your life and see how far you've
come, that's how you know. 

649
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:42,440
Because if you can see true 
change, like then I think Pat 

650
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,120
talked about this on his 
episode. 

651
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,760
When you can look back and see 
that your life is completely 

652
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,680
different, it's how you kind of 
know somebody saved absolutely 

653
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:53,960
how you know. 
It's real and you know, you're 

654
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,520
talking about making the choice 
and stuff. 

655
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,960
And so I said this in the 
welcome the other day is like 

656
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,160
Sunday's church is a Saturday's 
choice. 

657
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,960
Well, tomorrow's take that, take
church out of it. 

658
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,639
Tomorrow is today's choice. 
So to start like tonight when 

659
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,880
you go to bed, Lord, tomorrow's 
a new day. 

660
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,440
Your mercies are new every 
single morning. 

661
00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,320
Let me walk into what you have 
for me. 

662
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:21,480
If you're if you messed up 
today, dragon tomorrow like we 

663
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,400
have, we have this time, OK? 
We don't know when the time he 

664
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,760
ends. 
We don't know when it's over. 

665
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:30,480
But if you get woken up, you 
still have time to chase after 

666
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,400
God's will because he still has 
a plan for you. 

667
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:34,920
So like you, you might have 
messed up today. 

668
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,480
You might be listening to this 
and you're like, what do I do? 

669
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:38,480
Like I've been messed up and I 
think. 

670
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,960
We're talking to in the sense 
for somebody that has already 

671
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,000
given their heart to the Lord 
but is still working on that 

672
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,600
sanctification process now, you 
know, trying to start over daily

673
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,199
and do things daily. 
I think first what? 

674
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,600
Were you talking about 
surrendering to the Lord the 

675
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,320
whole time? 
Like you're like surrender date 

676
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:05,200
and you know, like you surrender
your life to the Lord, So your 

677
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,840
salvation date, right? 
Is that what you've been talking

678
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:08,320
about? 
No. 

679
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,040
OK. 
No, I'm talking about just daily

680
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,200
surrender. 
Like I know what you're saying. 

681
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,960
Yeah, yeah, is yeah, but I I'm 
saying I just want the viewer, 

682
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,280
the listeners to understand like
that is for somebody and it not 

683
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:23,120
get confused for study that has 
that's gotten saved. 

684
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,040
Yes, like you got to get saved 
and then that signification 

685
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,640
process happens because if you 
haven't even given your heart to

686
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,800
the Lord and gotten saved, yeah,
that that is, that's where you 

687
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:34,480
start. 
That's where that's where you 

688
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,240
start. 
Yeah, you got to start there. 

689
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,680
Yep, you got. 
To do it all. 

690
00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:42,520
And here's the thing that I 
wanted to point out. 

691
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:47,440
I did say the prayer before and 
it didn't take root. 

692
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,440
No, like, you know, hold on, let
me see. 

693
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,080
It's Matthew. 
About the seeds. 

694
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:54,600
Matthew 13. 
Three about the seeds. 

695
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,880
Yeah, this was my wife. 
So I have said the prayer 

696
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,120
before. 
I was, I think, 15 or 16 at the 

697
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,480
time, and there was no life 
change. 

698
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,880
Yeah, there was none. 
And I said the prayer and I 

699
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,280
thought I was saved. 
So if I was listening to you and

700
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:16,000
I heard you say, you know, start
over every day, it would be 

701
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,200
daily. 
I mean, I would I would struggle

702
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:22,640
daily until I truly got saved 
because the Lord knows your 

703
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:23,800
heart. 
And we've talked about this. 

704
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,480
This is like kind of the 
conversation me and Dexter had 

705
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:34,080
about being saved in works. 
But yeah, so I mean, when you 

706
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:39,040
truly get saved, the Lord knows 
your heart and that well, when 

707
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,560
the Spirit enters you, we'll 
help you through that 

708
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,480
sanctification process. 
So I don't want that anybody to 

709
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,320
get infused about that. 
Does that make sense? 

710
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,720
Yeah, 'cause Oh yeah, you lured 
that up. 

711
00:36:47,720 --> 00:36:50,720
All those things are. 
So heavy, like if you haven't 

712
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:53,240
completely correct your life to 
the Lord because I've said the 

713
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:54,560
same. 
Thing you're trying to work 

714
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,280
through it worldly. 
Yeah, you're trying to fix it. 

715
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,240
It is the way. 
The world is natural, correct? 

716
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:01,320
Yeah. 
The way that you have this 

717
00:37:01,320 --> 00:37:04,000
sanctification process is 
supernatural because it's not. 

718
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,520
100% it's the Holy Spirit 
residing inside of you. 

719
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,320
It has to activate. 
Yes, activate. 

720
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,800
Yes, for sure. 
No, I really did. 

721
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,880
When you said that, I was like. 
'Cause I wrote down Galatians 

722
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,720
220, I have been crucified with 
Christ and I no longer live, but

723
00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:23,240
Christ lives in me. 
So if Christ is not living in 

724
00:37:23,240 --> 00:37:26,640
you, you cannot pull this off. 
No, you cannot pull off the 

725
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,440
sanctification process because 
again, that is us just trying to

726
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,080
become more Christ like daily 
and Him residing in US and us 

727
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,720
feeding Him more than we feed 
our flesh. 

728
00:37:37,720 --> 00:37:41,320
Absolutely. 
But that's what I was saying. 

729
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,440
I just remember when I had said 
that prayer and my heart wasn't 

730
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,160
100% in it. 
No. 

731
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,920
And so that seed didn't take 
roots. 

732
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,760
They sent me words because I 
mean, I, I could have sworn when

733
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,240
I when I was in high school, but
then I'll look back and I was at

734
00:37:56,240 --> 00:37:58,560
a party the night before I got 
baptized. 

735
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:02,760
Like I was just like, probably 
didn't feel good, you know. 

736
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,160
And so I thought it was genuine 
though. 

737
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:08,160
But then I'll look back and I'm 
like, it wasn't, I didn't know 

738
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,200
the Lord and the Lord did not 
know me, right? 

739
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:15,240
Because I read the other day and
somebody just in my life has 

740
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:20,160
come. 
What is it like she surrendered 

741
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,400
her life to the Lord this past 
summer. 

742
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,720
And one of the things that has 
been said is like as a 

743
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,400
relationship with Jesus Christ 
has got me far more than what 

744
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,680
religion ever has. 
And so that cooked. 

745
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,480
I'm like, yes, like now you're 
getting it. 

746
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:38,840
Like we can say we go to church,
we can say all these things like

747
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,240
just like the Pharisees, it was 
religion for them. 

748
00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:44,040
It wasn't a relationship with 
Jesus Christ. 

749
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:45,360
They. 
Were that when you were at our 

750
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,320
house? 
No, but it did tie in and you 

751
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:53,720
triggered my thought process of 
like, it's not about the rules. 

752
00:38:53,720 --> 00:38:57,680
It's not about those things. 
Sin looks like freedom until you

753
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,080
try to stop. 
So your life looks like you are 

754
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,520
free as can be. 
Try to stop smoking. 

755
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:05,080
Yeah, try to stop cussing. 
Try to stop doing all these 

756
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,720
things that you are enjoying. 
Doing when you don't have the 

757
00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:10,480
Spirit in you. 
You're in bondage over it. 

758
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,800
And so once you do come to the 
Lord, it's not about those 

759
00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:16,240
rules. 
No, you're not going to want to 

760
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,680
continue to live that life 
because the Holy Spirit don't 

761
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,680
want to live that life. 
And he's living inside of you. 

762
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,400
He this is his temple. 
And so you're going to start 

763
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:26,800
making these changes and 
realizing you're free. 

764
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,680
Like you are truly free. 
Yeah, for sure. 

765
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,280
I'm telling you, that's good. 
It's good to be free. 

766
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:34,680
It is. 
It is. 

767
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:38,560
You cannot, yeah. 
You can't have you can't have 

768
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,880
surrender, you can't have 
sanctification without him 

769
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:41,880
first. 
Yeah. 

770
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,440
Because otherwise it's just 
religion, yeah. 

771
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,440
For sure. 
And when you if that feels like 

772
00:39:49,720 --> 00:39:51,440
you can't figure out the 
difference, because I used to 

773
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,280
tell her all the time, she'd be 
like, it's just so religious, 

774
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,520
like blah, blah, blah. 
Like I am religious and I'm 

775
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,080
like, stop saying that. 
Yeah. 

776
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,360
And she couldn't figure out why 
I kept saying that. 

777
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,520
And I'm like, you're pursuing 
this relationship with Jesus 

778
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,640
Christ. 
When you put religion with it, 

779
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,640
that's when it sounds like. 
This is a box and I'm putting 

780
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,800
myself in. 
This is a one way St. between 

781
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,720
you and the Lord. 
Just a relationship. 

782
00:40:15,720 --> 00:40:17,640
It's. 
Just a relationship just like 

783
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,160
you and your friends, you know, 
like, have those conversations 

784
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,680
with him, like the struggles 
that you're having, the things 

785
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,440
that you are desperately wanting
to surrender that you don't know

786
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,560
how to have that conversation. 
Yeah. 

787
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,560
That is, with the person that's 
already surrendered their life 

788
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:33,320
to Christ. 
Right. 

789
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,160
Yeah, that's good. 
All right. 

790
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,520
And one other thing I wanted to 
touch on. 

791
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:42,120
All right, that I wrote, I don't
know where we are time wise is 

792
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,720
not long, but you had kind of 
talked about it when you were 

793
00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:49,520
going through struggles and I've
been recently going through so 

794
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,720
much the past year. 
I feel like but God can use 

795
00:40:53,720 --> 00:40:58,040
trials and sanctification is 
what I wrote because we forget 

796
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:04,080
that a lot of times our trials 
in life is really what is more 

797
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,160
of the sanctification process 
and molding us. 

798
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:09,040
Where the that's where the 1st. 
News correct. 

799
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:15,920
I wrote that here is but I just 
the testing of your faith 

800
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:20,480
produces perseverance and I put 
trials refine us. 

801
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:24,840
They're there to refine us, not 
punish us because a lot of times

802
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:27,520
like this last year, I really 
have felt like, God, are you 

803
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,680
punishing me? 
Like, what is going on? 

804
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,480
I feel like I've, you know, 
tried to be so obedient. 

805
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:36,600
Maybe I'm missing the mark. 
What is going on? 

806
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,440
Lord, show me my heart, show me 
my ways. 

807
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,400
But it it really is just to 
refine us most of the time. 

808
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,400
And it can renew and it's really
to renew and I think strengthen 

809
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,560
our faith and I put which 
produces fruit of his nature in 

810
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,440
our lives. 
Yeah, because I mean, it is 

811
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,400
isn't an even flow or an ebb and
flow. 

812
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,600
Is it an even flow? 
Like though up and down of the 

813
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,920
Christian walk, somebody said 
it, it was Sharmell and I 

814
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,080
couldn't tell what she said. 
And I wanted to be like, can you

815
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,120
say that again? 
But either even flow, ebb and 

816
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:15,440
flow ebb and whatever it is the 
flow because like I just think 

817
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,520
about December when I'm 
screaming and crying, I'm going 

818
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,640
through it right. 
January feeling good, feeling 

819
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,600
great back on top. 
And this past month I'm like 

820
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:27,720
like I just can't catch a break.
Like and it's not even to the 

821
00:42:27,720 --> 00:42:30,880
point where like it's big things
that are happening, but it's 

822
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,720
like sometimes you feel like 
God, am I just like not in your 

823
00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:37,640
will? 
Like why are these things 

824
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,520
happening like? 
Right, that's how I felt. 

825
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:46,480
What am I doing wrong where I 
can't get on my feet or like I 

826
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,320
can't? 
Hit a like I'm thinking 

827
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,440
constantly. 
Yeah, because like, nothing's 

828
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,000
like seriously happened. 
But it's just like, it just 

829
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,080
doesn't feel like I'm going in 
the right direction. 

830
00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:59,200
So I'm like running into walls, 
running in walls, and it's like,

831
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:00,840
OK, this is what I'm talking 
about. 

832
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:03,600
Lord, open all the doors that 
need to be open and shut all the

833
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,440
doors that may be shut. 
And then it happens, the door 

834
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:09,480
shuts and I'm like, wait, I 
wanted to go through that door, 

835
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,600
but the Lord's already saying 
like, no, you told me to shut 

836
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,160
the doors that are supposed to 
be shut. 

837
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,240
So. 
Yeah, it's just a lot. 

838
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,360
It is. 
It's hard. 

839
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:21,880
It's just hard when you sign up 
for this life. 

840
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,200
It's not easy. 
But most rewarding? 

841
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,560
The best thing? 
Yeah, I like truly do not miss 

842
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,880
my old life there. 
There are things that like I'll 

843
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,160
think about and I'm like, man, I
miss that person. 

844
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:39,840
You know, like these those 
nights that I thought that I was

845
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,480
having so much fun, I'm like, 
that wasn't even fun. 

846
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:47,160
It wasn't even what I like. 
You just can't explain it. 

847
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:49,680
But when you come to this side 
of the Lord and you start 

848
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,760
walking it out, you're running 
full like it is truly. 

849
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:54,840
You can't describe it. 
Yeah, it's truly. 

850
00:43:54,920 --> 00:44:00,280
Anything worth having is not 
easy, and it is 100% worth 

851
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:05,080
having a relationship with Jesus
Christ all day every day, 100% 

852
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:10,400
And it's not going to be easy to
have and and to to maintain like

853
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,720
what we're talking about daily. 
And I mean, in the crushing, in 

854
00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:18,040
the pressing, that's when that 
new wine is made, not the wine 

855
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,400
that we that we used to be 
drinking, getting drunk, but 

856
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,640
like new wine is being made when
we are going through these 

857
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:27,600
trials, we're going through 
these things that are really 

858
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,880
like feels. 
Heavy. 

859
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,960
That's where he's pressing, 
That's when he's working our 

860
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,200
life, that's when he's molding 
us and shaping. 

861
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,440
Us and that's when we need to be
listening the most cooked even 

862
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,200
though it's. 
The hardest, yes, absolutely. 

863
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:43,960
I think that's good. 
What you like Yeah. 

864
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,280
All right, Well, guys, I. 
Hope you just to chat and we 

865
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,280
were. 
This was good. 

866
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:52,360
Maybe we can record like in 30 
minutes, record another episode,

867
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:53,320
right? 
No. 

868
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,280
All right, guys. 
Well, stay tuned. 

869
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,000
Stay blessed, and we'll see you 
guys later. 

870
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:57,920
Thanks. 
Bye.

