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What's up guys? 
My name is Alexis Brown, your 

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host with Praises in the Pod, 
and I am so excited to be 

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interviewing mystery Berta Shaw.
She is the founder of the 

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Potter's House. 
And if you've been following 

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along on this Praises in the Pod
journey, we talk about the 

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Potter's House all the time. 
And so we're just really excited

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to jump into today. 
So we're going to start off in 

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prayer and then we're going to 
jump right in. 

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Lord, Heavenly Father, thank you
for today. 

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Thank you for all your many 
blessings. 

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Dear God, thank you for safe 
travels here and just allowing 

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Miss Cherie just to be able to 
talk about your goodness and 

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what all you've done in her life
and what she's witnessed in all 

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of her years. 
Lord, we just are so 

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appreciative of the relationship
that we have with you and what 

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all you've done in our lives. 
Lord, thank you for just 

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allowing us to have this this 
life and we just pray that you 

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speak to us and through us and 
let this podcast glorify you. 

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In Jesus name I pray, Amen, 
Amen. 

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Oh my gosh. 
So I kind of told you earlier, 

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I'm probably going to cry a lot 
of this episode me and Lisa were

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talking to and I'm like, she 
starts talking about the 

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Potter's house and it just it's 
just has such a, you know, 

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special place in my heart and 
you do too. 

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And so your story, your book, 
we're going to get into all of 

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that. 
But you know, just everything. 

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I just want to hit it. 
I want to hit anything and 

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everything that comes to your 
mind, and God wants you to 

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speak, speak it. 
That's good. 

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So let's start out with maybe a 
little bit of your childhood and

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yeah, tell us about yourself. 
OK, yeah, I was born, wasn't 

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expected to be born. 
I was my sisters where one was 

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15 and one was 12 and I was, you
know, just a real big surprise 

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because my dad was 45 at the 
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Oh, wow. 
So anyway, but I had a Christian

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family, real good family. 
My mother was really godly lady 

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and my dad, he had seven 
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And anyway, my dad and his 
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And so they come to our house on
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prayer meeting and they would, 
so my sister would play the 

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piano, they would sing. 
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that. 
And my mother was just the best 

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memories I have of her. 
When I got up in the mornings, 

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she would always be sitting at 
the kitchen table reading her 

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Bible. 
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And so I was, you know, my 
mother was one that and Dad both

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that. 
Well, they meant what they said.

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I mean, when if they said would 
you pick up that piece of paper?

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I mean, if you didn't do it, 
then you got a whipping. 

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I was never hollered at, 
screamed at. 

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You just knew you was going to 
get away. 

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That the first time they spoke, 
they meant what they said. 

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And it's really helped me a lot.
And it would help all of us a 

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lot if we do, our children don't
give them three or four chances.

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Yeah, because I grew up when I 
grew up and when I, when I 

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surrendered to the Lord, I 
figured that God spoke one time 

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and he didn't have to speak 
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He meant what he said. 
It helped me to believe the 

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Bible. 
I had a very strong faith 

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because of how I was raised. 
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children, you know, if you 
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going to spank you and then you 
don't, well, then you've lied to

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them. 
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doesn't mean it either. 
So I grew up with a big respect 

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for the word of God and for the 
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And I was saved at 12 years old.
When I got saved, I was in 

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church and the the preacher 
preached on It's as straight as 

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the gate and narrow is the way 
that leads to life and many 

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there be that go that way. 
The broad is the way and wide is

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the road that leads to 
destruction, and many there be 

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that go that way. 
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So, you know, I remember going 
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hell. 
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and I would hold my eyes open, 
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was scared. 
If I go to sleep, I may. 

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Go to hell and you know, that's 
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even really think of that 
because I'm like, when I'm 12, I

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didn't have that grasp. 
If something happens to me right

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now, I'm spending eternity in 
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Somebody actually posted on 
Facebook yesterday and they were

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like, what was your moment? 
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Like whatever. 
And I said for many years in my 

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life, I thought I was saved just
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that prayer. 
I prayed to God no if thank you 

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Jesus for not taking me years 
ago because if I would, I would 

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have been eternally separated 
from him and I know that for 

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without a shadow of a doubt I 
would have and I'm just so 

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grateful. 
People are afraid nowadays to 

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tell their children, but you 
know, every night for several 

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weeks I would lay awake and I 
didn't want to give in because I

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knew if I surrendered to the 
Lord, I thought I was going to 

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be approved the rest of my life.
And so I wouldn't. 

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And finally, one Sunday, I said,
you know what? 

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I don't care. 
I don't care if the whole world 

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was here listening. 
I'm, I can't, I can't live like 

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this. 
And so I, I remember, I let go 

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of that Pew because I'll hold on
it so tight. 

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I let go of the Pew. 
And from then on, I don't even 

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know what happened. 
I just was man. 

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The Lord just saved me. 
I was baptized in a river. 

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Because back then you didn't 
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have baptismal. 
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and I looked and I thought all 
those people standing on the 

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banks, they look like angels. 
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So it was a good, you know, 
really good childhood play in 

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and a lot of cousins and just 
had a great, I had a great 

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childhood. 
I can't remember anything even 

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bad. 
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It is. 
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maybe early teens or going into 
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Tell us about your life then. 
Yeah, I just, when I graduated 

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from high school, in high 
school, I did, you know, great, 

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went to church and everything. 
All my friends back then, there 

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was no drugs. 
None of my, none of my friends 

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drank. 
None of my friends smoked. 

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Oh wow, you were in a good 
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Group, then Christian, that was 
a time, you know, because that 

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was a time back then when most 
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and the girls in school, if, if 
they drank, they were considered

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like sluts. 
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Even guys wouldn't say that. 
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So it was in that kind of time, 
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school and went to college, 
that's when I met my husband the

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very first quarter in college 
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And one of my friends had gone 
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found out when I when he was 
hanging around, she said you 

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don't need to be caught up with 
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They're they're the worst guys 
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I said oh don't worry, I won't, 
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Little did you know. 
Little did I know. 

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Yeah. 
But he was a much of A partier 

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and I think for like 2 years he 
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I wouldn't begged me to smoke. 
I wouldn't do any of that. 

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And then when I graduated, that 
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went to a four year college and,
and at that point, that's when I

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started. 
Well, I guess I'll take a drink.

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Yeah, it's kind of like when 
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you're hanging around people and
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that, you know, the longer that 
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those people, eventually you'll 
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morals that you've grown up and 
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You'll just start swaying, you 
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what happened with you, like. 
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And then, you know, in college I
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and of course I never heard of 
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So I was taught evolution and I 
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mother had a 9th grade education
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professors. 
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what she was talking about. 
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my faith. 
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knowing whether God was real or 
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And so I just started living my 
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And I did from then on. 
And my husband and I dated the 

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whole four years of college. 
And then we got married my last 

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quarter of college. 
And by then, of course, we drank

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a lot and partied and 
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And I was so miserable. 
And say one thing when you're 

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really saved and you try to live
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I thought something was wrong 
with me because, you know, I'd 

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walk in a room and everybody 
walk out. 

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They'd go in another room, I'd 
go in there and they'd walk in 

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the other room. 
And I don't know if they felt 

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uncomfortable because I was 
saved, even though I didn't 

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wasn't living it and wasn't in 
church, but it was for me. 

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It was like, man, you must be 
the ugliest girl on earth. 

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You must be the most terrible 
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Nobody likes you. 
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partying, but you just feel very
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right? 
And so tell us, go from there. 

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And so he was the life of the 
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So, you know, the longer you 
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it appears. 
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So I was thinking, you know, 
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I'm not doing anything really 
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It got worse and worse. 
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we got married and he went to 
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He was in Vietnam for nine 
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married. 
And then he came back and of 

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course, he ended up in 
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We ended up in Charleston, SC. 
I was at first, he was in 

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Vietnam and he was there for two
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submarine school so we could be 
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As time progressed, we, he 
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we moved to Morrow, GA. 
I was a school teacher and, and 

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so I taught 2nd grade and I was 
trying to find a school 

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somewhere in around the Atlanta 
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have, that I could in the middle
of the year, like in February 

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when we left, that I could get 
a, a job as a second grade 

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school teacher. 
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And so we moved to Morrow, GA. 
And so that started really our 

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life outside of Navy. 
What was your pulling to cut? 

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Were you born in Georgia? 
Or you were born in Georgia. 

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Both of you OK. 
Yeah, but I was born away in 

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South Georgia. 
Like cotton. 

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Georgia. 
Yeah, Population of 50. 

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Oh wow, small small town. 
Yeah, I had one little store and

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that was it. 
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So I was wondering, OK, that's 
cool. 

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So y'all did move around, but 
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Georgia from that. 
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We made it back there. 
And so we live there and our 

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life started and for seven 
years, I believe it was, you 

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know, we live the life, the 
party life. 

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And I was just sick of it. 
And I had my little girl when I 

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was when I was 28 years old and 
she was born. 

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And when she was born, she had, 
we didn't know what was wrong 

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with her. 
The pediatrician came the day 

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after she was born. 
And he said, call your husband 

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and tell him to come as quick as
he can. 

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We've got to take your daughter 
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She's dying, he said. 
We've done all kinds of tests. 

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We don't know what's wrong with 
her. 

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He said your husband needs to 
come up here and follow the 

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ambulance. 
And so she went and they didn't.

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They thought maybe she had 
cystic fibrosis or Hershey for 

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Sprungs disease, and then 
otherwise a question mark. 

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They didn't know. 
So they performed emergency 

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surgery on her and found 
gangrene in her large intestine.

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Oh, wow. 
And and so they put a colostomy 

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in because they didn't know if 
she was whatever, you know, be 

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able to have a bowel movement. 
And then they put a feeding tube

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in her stomach because they had 
to measure how much food she was

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getting, how much her intestines
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using. 
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about 3 or 4 days later they 
said they were able to do a test

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to see if she had cystic 
fibrosis and they did the test 

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and it was negative and she 
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disease because that's where 
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they don't work. 
So there's nothing pushing, 

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pushing it out. 
So you you have no nerve endings

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in there. 
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using the bathroom. 
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first week. 
It's the next day after she was.

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Oh wow. 
OK. 

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Yeah. 
So anyway, so they said we don't

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know what was wrong, whether the
doctor said all I can figure out

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like untwisted, but gangrene had
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inches of her large intestine. 
Wow with the gangrene. 

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And so my daughter cried all the
time, because if you've ever had

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a child with colic, I mean that.
When you got worse. 

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Probably too. 
Oh, and you could hear it going 

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in there and you know, the air 
going in. 

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She just cried continuously. 
I mean, she would sleep on like 

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15 minutes at the time. 
So for 18 months, I got up, I 

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mean, it was up all night just. 
I mean, I slept with her and I 

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would nurse her on one side and 
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side. 
The only way I could keep her 

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quiet so that my husband could 
sleep. 

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And he slept in another room 
because there's no way to she 

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just cried. 
So one night, it was an 18 

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months into this and I just 
thought my husband had decided 

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to, he had changed jobs and 
because he wasn't making any 

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money and I was not going back 
to school. 

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I mean, it's a teach because my 
daughter's got, you know, a 

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colostomy and she's got this 
feeding tube and don't tell. 

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I'm not putting her in a, you 
know, in a daycare. 

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And so I told my husband, I 
said, I can't, I'm not going 

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back to work. 
And he said, well, you've got 

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to. 
And I said, well, I'm not. 

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You can buy us a tent and some 
bicycles, but I'm not going to 

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work. 
He got another job at the 

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meantime, and that was for 
Nationwide Insurance. 

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And when he got that job with 
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school in Ohio for three weeks. 
Well, while he was gone, I 

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remember thinking, I just hate 
him. 

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I don't. 
I hope he never comes back. 

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If he comes back, I'm going to 
pull every hair in my head out 

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and I'm going to run to the ends
of the earth. 

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Nobody will ever catch me and 
because I was just tired and he 

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didn't, I mean one night out of 
18 months he took her and let me

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sleep. 
Oh wow. 

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So I'd go home and my mother and
them told me later, later on, a 

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few years later, that every time
I went down to South Georgia, 

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they all cried when I left 
because I was so exhausted and I

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looked so bad because I was just
tired. 

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So that night in bed when I was 
saying all of that and I 

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thought, I thought, you know, I 
just hate him. 

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I hate my life. 
I hate everything. 

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I'm just exhausted. 
I don't, I don't think I can 

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live anymore. 
I just don't know what to do. 

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And God spoke to me. 
It was the first time in years 

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and years and years. 
Very plainly not an audible 

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voice. 
But you know, when he speaks, he

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said you had a great childhood. 
He said you had great parents 

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and Christians. 
He said, but you have absolutely

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nothing, absolutely nothing to 
give to your daughter. 

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And I mean, it broke me and I 
just fell out of that bed on my 

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knees and I stayed on my knees 
all night long. 

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It's the first night in 18 
months my daughter slept. 

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She never. 
Woke up one time, stayed on my 

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knees all night. 
I don't I can't tell you what 

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happened. 
All I know is the one the girl 

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that got down on the knees what?
And the one that got up. 

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Wow and. 
When I got up, I'm telling you 

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what, I got up on fire for the 
Lord and is that never stopped 

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since. 
That's right. 

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I know that's right. 
I mean, that is just a miracle 

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in itself. 18 months of just, 
all throughout the night you 

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hear from God, you feel his 
presence, and you're like, you 

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know what, here I am. 
Get on your knees. 

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Your daughter sleeps through the
night and you just, there's 

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probably, you finally see a 
light at the end of the tunnel. 

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So then you're on fire. 
But your husband's not right. 

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My. 
Husband was lost and I know he 

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comes home. 
He prayed he did, but he comes 

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home. 
So how does that go? 

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He came back. 
I don't know what he thought 

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because when he came back, the 
woman that he left wasn't the 

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same one that was there. 
So he had a new wife. 

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But anyway, he came home and I 
just remember I just wanted to 

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go to church because he was 
still gone when all this 

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happened. 
So my neighbors had started to 

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this church and it was there was
a whole week long, it was on 

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prophecy. 
And so I, they told me we'll go 

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us to church. 
I had told him, you know what 

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kind of what happened and they 
said we just started to church 

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and we just started to this 
church and we'd love for you to 

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go. 
So I went with him to this 

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church and it was the whole week
long. 

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There was a preacher every night
on prophecy. 

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And I mean, I was just like, I 
mean, I grew up in church, but I

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didn't ever hear all of this. 
And and I mean, I was thinking, 

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wow, the Bible is really real. 
This camp could not have just 

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happened. 
I mean, you can't have all these

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guys writing a word, a Bible and
it all be true. 

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I mean, because you couldn't get
two people to write that much 

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and it and be in agreement. 
And I said these things are 

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happening and I can see it and 
the Bible predicted it. 

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So it just completely restored 
my faith. 

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So my first whole week was spent
going to church and learning 

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about the end times. 
And it just started my journey. 

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And so when my husband came home
and I don't know what he 

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thought, but he he was an 
agnostic. 

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An atheist is one that says 
there is no God. 

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An agnostic is one who says I 
don't believe there's a God, but

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I can't, I couldn't, I wouldn't 
say there's absolutely not, but 

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I don't believe there is one. 
OK, so he was an agnostic and 

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did not believe at all, didn't 
believe in the Bible. 

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He said it was a book of fairy 
tales. 

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So our marriage, from then on, 
it was me. 

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I said I'm, I'm surrendered to 
the Lord. 

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What he did for me that night, I
thought I'm going to serve him 

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the rest of my life. 
I have found something I have 

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finally been looking for, you 
know. 

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What you've just been longing 
for. 

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What you've just been wanting. 
Yeah. 

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And I didn't even know that's 
what I was looking for. 

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Many times he didn't. 
He would get, he would fuss at 

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me. 
He would get ill, really ill, 

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really aggravated. 
He said, you know, you don't 

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have to go to church all the 
time. 

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Yeah, you don't have to do this.
You don't have to do that. 

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But I was sold out to the Lord. 
And so I said, you know, thought

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to myself, I'm, I'm going to 
serve God. 

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I'm going to stand before him 
one day. 

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And when I give an answer for my
life, I'm, I can't say but my 

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husband. 
And I remember the Lord spoke to

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me one day and he said, yeah, 
but it's not going to be your 

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husband that's standing before 
me. 

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It's you. 
Yeah. 

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So I said I'm going to serve the
Lord because one day I will 

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stand before him, and I want to 
stand before him. 

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I want to hear one day. 
Well done, my good and faithful 

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servant. 
Yes. 

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So it it caused a lot of 
problems in her marriage of. 

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Course and so is he like still 
drinking and stuff throughout 

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this time like he's still 
partying, but you've totally 

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surrendered you're not doing 
that anymore. 

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And so how does how does that 
work? 

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Like is he still like going out 
and stuff or is it just at home?

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How? 
Yeah, he was still drinking and 

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he would like sometimes after 
work, go out with some buddies, 

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everything. 
There was no more parties that 

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we went to now, Nationwide 
Insurance. 

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When they would have their big 
meetings and everything. 

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When I would walk in, they would
always give me a Coke and they 

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didn't rest them. 
We're drinking. 

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Yeah, so, so respectful. 
Yeah, I mean, I would talk to 

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him about the Lord too, you 
know? 

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Yeah, I'd have stuff I'd hand 
them and give to him. 

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Always came with stuff ready to 
give. 

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And when we'd go to eat, I would
leave tracks and oh, he'd get so

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aggravated. 
Yeah, Tracks which tell you how 

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to be saved. 
But anyway, I mean, he had to 

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put up with a lot, you know? 
Really. 

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Because he didn't understand. 
Yeah. 

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He was not a bad man. 
He just didn't understand. 

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And you know why I was serving 
the Lord like this? 

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Yeah. 
He thought, you're just over. 

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He told me you're you're just 
off in the deep end. 

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And I would think to myself, oh,
but it's always good in the 

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deep. 
End it is. 

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Only new. 
I was telling Lisa earlier, it's

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like the lowest point of my life
with God. 

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Like the lows that we go with 
God is better than the mountain 

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tops without God. 
Yeah, you know, so. 

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But until you know, you don't 
know there's nothing that you 

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can say to someone that doesn't 
have Jesus in their heart or 

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isn't walking faithfully with 
him for them to understand why 

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we're crazy. 
You know nothing. 

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Because I mean, I know people 
saw me in my, I say BC my before

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Christ and they're like, she's 
crazy. 

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Like I'm a completely different 
person. 

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But it's because God radically 
changed my life and there is 

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nothing that anybody can do. 
There's this. 

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New song. 
And it's like, stand still. 

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There's nothing that you can do 
to make me stand still. 

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I'm going to continue to run 
after God. 

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I'm going to continue to do what
He's called me to do. 

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And if I look crazy and people 
don't like me because of it, 

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then I'm going to have to do it,
you know, because I am going to 

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stand before him. 
And I want to hear that Good, 

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you know. 
Well done, you good and faithful

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servant. 
Absolutely. 

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I told the Lord too. 
I said, you know, I can't be the

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wife to him that I need to be. 
We're worlds apart, you know, 

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spiritually, of course, we don't
think the same. 

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And we're just worlds apart. 
And I said you're going to have 

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to be a wife through me and and 
he did. 

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Yeah. 
Because he gave me the abilities

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and things that I couldn't have 
done. 

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One thing I wanted to tell you, 
I forgot because you were asking

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me about, was he still drinking?
Yeah. 

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And so I told the Lord I was 
started praying. 

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I said, Lord, you know, I don't 
want this alcohol in my house 

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now. 
I don't want all of this. 

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And so he came in at one night, 
of course, he called me to from 

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work and said he was going out 
with the buddies. 

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And so I knew you'd come in 
drunk. 

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Well, he did. 
He came in about 11 or so drunk 

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as everything. 
So I did like I was asleep 

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because I didn't want to 
confront him. 

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I mean, you know, there's no use
in saying anything because it's 

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not doing any good. 
And I prayed. 

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So he went to bed and he slept 
all night. 

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The next morning when he got up,
our bedroom was where you could 

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see into the bathroom. 
And he got up and went to the 

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bathroom. 
And so the next thing I knew, he

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was standing there and all of a 
sudden he went, he just fell 

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over backwards. 
And so I ran in there and I got 

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a wet cloth and I put it on his 
head and face and everything. 

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And he said, I don't know what 
happened. 

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And he, I mean, he'd already had
probably 8 hours, 7 or 8 hours. 

447
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:44,560
And so he wasn't like, yeah, in 
terrible shape at the time. 

448
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,640
So he got up and everything and 
he started, he went to the 

449
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,120
little closet we got and I was 
standing there talking to him, 

450
00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,200
standing there, and he just fell
again. 

451
00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,400
And we had a small little area. 
I There's no way you could have 

452
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,120
followed that hitting the door. 
Wow. 

453
00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:01,280
When he when he looked up, he 
said I think somebody's trying 

454
00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,880
to get my attention. 
And I said I think so. 

455
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,360
I would definitely say so. 
Yes. 

456
00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:10,160
And so he never drank again like
that. 

457
00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,520
I mean, I think he'd go off with
ever, occasionally go off with 

458
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,720
his buddies fishing and I'm sure
he drank them, but never again 

459
00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,920
did I see him drunk. 
Never again did I know he ever 

460
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:19,160
drank. 
I mean, that stopped. 

461
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,800
It scared him. 
Yeah, I mean and that scaredness

462
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:28,040
will change you, you know, like 
when you really feel cuz like 

463
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,680
when I fell a few 2N's ago, I 
fell and busted my lip open 

464
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:37,280
because I was so intoxicated and
that was my wake up call and I 

465
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:39,200
never got that intoxicated 
again. 

466
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,160
I still drank. 
You know, I would love to say I 

467
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:48,120
never drank again, but I did. 
And that scared me so bad that 

468
00:22:48,120 --> 00:22:50,880
God got my attention and I just 
thank God for that night. 

469
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,320
I mean, I still have a little 
bump on my lip that I'm kind of,

470
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:57,120
you know, insecure about, but 
I'm like, thank you God for that

471
00:22:57,120 --> 00:23:01,600
bump because it redirected my 
life just like Mr. EI mean that 

472
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,520
night redirected him, just 
started to get him, you know, on

473
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,480
a different path. 
He still didn't go to church. 

474
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,080
It wasn't saved. 
In fact, he, you know, for 35 

475
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,520
years I prayed for him to be 
saved, you know. 35 years, it 

476
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,000
was a long time. 
But one of the big ones that 

477
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:20,240
started the change in him, but 
it was still a long time, was 

478
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:23,640
that we had a prayer group and 
there was several of us. 

479
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:27,160
We prayed every Tuesday night, 
probably for 15 or so years. 

480
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,440
I mean, we, we met whether it 
was rain, sleet, snow, we didn't

481
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:31,920
care. 
We got out on the lake with it 

482
00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:33,840
lightning around us. 
And they said, well, if it kills

483
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:35,320
us, we'll also go to hell. 
We had it. 

484
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:38,560
So he came in one day and and he
knew that we prayed all the 

485
00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,480
time. 
He came in one day and he said, 

486
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,640
I want you to, I want you to go 
to your group. 

487
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:44,280
I want you all to pray about 
something for me. 

488
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:46,280
And I mean grabs. 
Your notebook. 

489
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,560
I wasn't ready. 
Whoa. 

490
00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:49,960
I didn't say anything. 
I thought. 

491
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,600
I thought to myself, you want me
to pray? 

492
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,920
I mean, really? 
I mean, my insides were jumping 

493
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:57,400
up and down, but I was trying to
be very calm, you know? 

494
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,080
And I said, sure, you know what?
What is it? 

495
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:03,080
And he said, well, you know, he 
said, I've had two secretaries 

496
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,120
before this one that I've got 
now. 

497
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,000
And he said they were all, they 
were terrible secretaries. 

498
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,360
They said the one I got now, 
which I knew I worked up there, 

499
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:14,040
you know, off and on a lot. 
And he said, I found out she is,

500
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,120
she's in having an affair with a
State Farm agent. 

501
00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:19,800
And he was a Nationwide 
insurance agent found that she's

502
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,880
having an affair with him that 
that one of the one of the 

503
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:27,240
agents she was when people would
call in here for insurance, she 

504
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,640
would send them to him. 
Oh, so he said I'm losing 

505
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,000
business. 
He said the only reason I know 

506
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,680
it is because one of the people 
that had the insurance company 

507
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,960
called me and was talking to me 
and told me that she told him to

508
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,640
go to state harm. 
Yes, He said so I want you to 

509
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,600
pray and you if your God is 
real, you ask him to send me 

510
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,960
another secretary. 
He said I don't want anything to

511
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,720
do with it at all. 
He said I want God to do it if 

512
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,880
your God is real. 
So I was going like wow. 

513
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,040
So I went to the girls and I 
said y'all we got a tall order 

514
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,720
here. 
We got to pray for a secretary 

515
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,680
when him not even involved in it
at all. 

516
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,400
He said I'm not going to 
advertise, I'm not going to look

517
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,400
for one. 
I want you, I want God to send 

518
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,840
me one. 
So anyway, we, we've started 

519
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:14,000
praying and it wasn't very long 
after that when his secretary 

520
00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:16,280
walked in one day and she said, 
I quit. 

521
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,560
And he said it was on Thursday. 
I still remember the day she 

522
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,560
said I quit. 
And he said, are you turning in 

523
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,640
your notice? 
She said, no, I'm quitting today

524
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,280
and I would like my pay. 
Wow. 

525
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,120
And so he gave her her pay and 
she walked out the door. 

526
00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:32,760
That was on Thursday morning. 
Thursday afternoon, he was gone.

527
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,520
He had a partner. 
They had built an office 

528
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,840
building together and Randy was 
there. 

529
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,840
My husband Errol was gone and 
Randy was there. 

530
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,320
And this lady walked in and she 
came into his office and she 

531
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,760
said, we're from Florida. 
And she said, we have Nationwide

532
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,120
Insurance in Florida, and we 
want to transfer it here to 

533
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:51,480
Georgia. 
And so would you be our agent? 

534
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:53,840
And he said, sure. 
And so we started getting the 

535
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,800
information from her. 
And she said, by the way, do you

536
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,760
know if anybody that needs work 
needs help? 

537
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:03,520
She said, I need to get a job. 
And he said, well, what kind of 

538
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,200
job did you do? 
She said, well, I was a 

539
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,840
secretary. 
He said, who did you work for? 

540
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:13,840
She said Nationwide insurance. 
And so he wrote her up. 

541
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,040
And when Errol found that out, 
he was blown away. 

542
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,280
And I remember him telling me 
nobody can ever tell me again. 

543
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,280
There's not a God, he said. 
Because that just couldn't 

544
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,640
happen. 
The same day one walks out, 

545
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,520
another one walks in. 
You don't even have to train 

546
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,120
her. 
She started to work the next 

547
00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:34,440
day. 
No, wow, yes and just to think 

548
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,560
like you and your prayer groups 
from praying at this point for 

549
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,840
15 or is it 15 years around this
time? 

550
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,520
OK, and just to think that y'all
have been praying. 

551
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:46,880
You know God reveal yourself to 
him right and then he reveals 

552
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,960
himself in that big of a way 
that's undeniable. 

553
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:53,520
I mean you there, you can't say 
that's a coincidence, right? 

554
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,040
That can only be God. 
Right. 

555
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,920
Wow. 
I know. 

556
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,520
I mean it would be so high you 
can count it, no? 

557
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:03,760
So how does his life look after 
that? 

558
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:05,960
Does it continue or does he 
surrender? 

559
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,360
Is that his surrender or? 
No, it wasn't his surrender. 

560
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,120
It was his beginning of the 
belief in God, and it had to be 

561
00:27:14,120 --> 00:27:16,600
proven to him that the Bible was
the truth. 

562
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:21,400
And how do you do that mystery? 
Like how do you prove to someone

563
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,960
because you know, you're big on 
personalities too. 

564
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,520
We talk about personalities. 
That's one of the first things 

565
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,680
people do with Miss April Dawn 
when they come to the Potter's 

566
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,080
House is figure out your 
personality. 

567
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:35,720
So like with those C types, you 
know, that need that instruction

568
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,960
and proof that it's real. 
How do you how do you show that?

569
00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:42,320
And how do you pray for that? 
I would pray all the time in my 

570
00:27:42,360 --> 00:27:44,960
life's verse that God he gave me
at the very beginning of all 

571
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,120
this is trust in the Lord with 
all your heart and lean not to 

572
00:27:48,120 --> 00:27:50,120
your own understanding and all 
your ways. 

573
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:52,320
Acknowledge him and he shall 
direct your paths. 

574
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,360
So I relied on that. 
I said, God, you said if I do 

575
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:57,040
that, then you would direct my 
path. 

576
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,240
You didn't say you might. 
You said you shall direct. 

577
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:04,000
So you have got to direct my 
paths in this marriage and let 

578
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,520
me know what to do because I 
don't, I mean, there's some 

579
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,880
questions, you know, a lot of 
questions you can find an answer

580
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,360
to in the Bible. 
But suppose he asked you, do you

581
00:28:12,360 --> 00:28:14,920
want to go over here to eat or 
something, for instance. 

582
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,800
I mean, you don't not going to, 
you can't run to the Bible for 

583
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,040
every little thing. 
You know, some of those kind of 

584
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,120
small questions. 
I said, God, you're just going 

585
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:24,720
to have to direct my path and he
did. 

586
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,560
It was amazing for all those 
years. 

587
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,080
First when I started, you know, 
when I really surrendered to the

588
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,560
Lord and everything, I would try
to tell him scriptures and that 

589
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,320
didn't work. 
It would only make him mad. 

590
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,800
He didn't believe it. 
That's just a book of fairy 

591
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,520
tales. 
And so I just finally realized 

592
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:45,120
that I'm trying to, I'm trying 
to teach him and it's got to be 

593
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,920
God. 
I've got to take my hands off of

594
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,360
it. 
You know, I would try to tell 

595
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,400
him things and try to, it would 
always be fussing at me, you 

596
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,880
know, So when Sunday came or I 
had to go to something special, 

597
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,600
Oh my goodness, it was always 
fussing. 

598
00:28:58,120 --> 00:28:59,680
He didn't understand, he didn't 
like it. 

599
00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:02,200
And he would be puffed up. 
He'd be mad. 

600
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,960
And so one day the Lord just 
spoke to me because I just 

601
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,520
really, you know, I was just 
really having a hard time with 

602
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,720
it. 
And I would try to defend myself

603
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,880
every time I said, Lyrel, I'm 
not doing anything wrong. 

604
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,400
And one day the Lord spoke to me
and he said, if you were in a 

605
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,920
court of law and you had a 
defense attorney and he said 

606
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,480
every time it's time for your 
defense attorney to take your 

607
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,240
case, you get up and speak 
instead. 

608
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,880
He said, then you don't need a 
defense attorney. 

609
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,760
You're taking your own case. 
He said either you will take 

610
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:33,520
your case and your marriage or I
will, but we both won't. 

611
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,040
Oh, and I said that day, it is 
yours. 

612
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:38,800
I will never defend myself 
again. 

613
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,480
He can rail on me. 
He can tell me whatever he 

614
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:42,880
wants. 
I'm not going to say a word. 

615
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:46,480
Just accept it, smile and I'll 
tell you what it gives you 

616
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,280
freedom. 
Because I wasn't frustrated and 

617
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,320
aggravated anymore because I 
wasn't trying to change him. 

618
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,000
I wasn't trying to do anything. 
It was God's business. 

619
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,520
And he said he'd direct my 
passing. 

620
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,320
And you know, I don't, I think 
that goes to, you know, not even

621
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,120
just in marriage. 
There's so many times that we 

622
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,640
surrender this to God and then 
we here we are trying to take it

623
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,000
back, take it back, do it in our
own strength. 

624
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,320
Oh, well, he's not moving fast 
enough. 

625
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,000
God's not answering. 
He's not working. 

626
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,560
He's silent right now. 
And we try to take that back. 

627
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,600
But until we fully surrender it 
and stop trying to take it back 

628
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,280
and stop being our own defense 
attorney, you know, that's when 

629
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:26,880
he can move. 
That's when he actually will 

630
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,320
start answering and leading you.
You know, that is just, I mean 

631
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:34,920
that goes across the board, not 
just for marriage. 

632
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,120
We can't change anybody. 
And, you know, it's not my 

633
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,720
business to change anybody, you 
know, And I realized too, 

634
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,440
because, you know, at first it 
was, you know, I was just trying

635
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,200
to change him and everything. 
And he didn't do this or he 

636
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,560
didn't do that. 
And I mean, I was in the 

637
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,720
bathroom one day and I mean, the
Lord literally knocked me in the

638
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,000
floor. 
I was in the flat and I got up 

639
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,760
from the floor and I looked in 
the mirror and his, it's like 

640
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,400
the Lord spoke to my heart and 
he said, why don't you take a 

641
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,160
look at yourself? 
So the book I've written, Lord 

642
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:08,160
just change him or kill him. 
That's when that's when the Lord

643
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,600
changed my mind. 
It's you I'm trying to change. 

644
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,640
And when you change, then I can 
change him. 

645
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,160
There's a there's a lot of 
things, a lot of miracles in the

646
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,800
book because my husband had to 
see that God was really real and

647
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,080
it had to be proven and it 
couldn't just be some fly by 

648
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,680
night thing. 
He wouldn't accept that. 

649
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:30,240
It had to be hard, solid truth. 
So through the years, all these 

650
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,080
years, different things have 
happened to bring him a little 

651
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,200
closer and a little closer and a
little closer. 

652
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,080
And one of those two that of 
course, the biggest one to me, 

653
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,080
the biggest one was the one of 
the secretary. 

654
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,520
I mean, because, you know, you 
just, there's just no way you, 

655
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,720
but different things happened 
and it would just blow his mind.

656
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,000
And I remember one time he, they
would give me money, but I 

657
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:54,840
didn't work. 
So I never asked him for money 

658
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,520
and he would give me money, but 
sometimes I, I didn't have any 

659
00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,160
and I didn't want to ask him, 
you know, I just didn't because 

660
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,480
I felt like he works and I don't
and he gives me. 

661
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,880
I hadn't, I had plenty. 
I was well taken care of. 

662
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,360
But anyway, I remember one time 
I needed $15 really, really bad 

663
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,920
for something. 
And I said, God, I don't have 

664
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,560
$15 and I don't want to ask him 
for that, you know. 

665
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,440
So I mean, I don't know how, but
I just need $15. 

666
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,400
And I got a call from a friend 
of mine. 

667
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,680
She was in my Sunday school 
class. 

668
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,680
Her husband was riding down and 
it was in Jonesboro riding down 

669
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,680
the road. 
And, and all of a sudden he said

670
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,720
he was in his truck and he said 
money started flying over his 

671
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,120
windshield and he pulled his 
truck over and went and picked 

672
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,200
it up and it was fifteen $1.00 
bills. 

673
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,560
Wow. 
And so he said, he asked the 

674
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,560
Lord, he said, what do you, what
do you want me to do with this 

675
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,160
$15? 
And he said, give it to Cherie. 

676
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,560
Wow. 
And he called me and he told me 

677
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,200
I've, they told me what 
happened. 

678
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,640
And he said, I've got $15. 
And the Lord told me to give it 

679
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,320
to you. 
And, you know, all the girls 

680
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,240
that were my everybody knew 
that. 

681
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,120
I mean, because he told them and
she told them. 

682
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,040
And we were all just, like, 
floored over that. 

683
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,800
Yeah, you know. 
That's just a big, huge thing 

684
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,240
again, where God's revealing 
himself more and more and more. 

685
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,920
Yes, I could tell him that that 
I was praying for $15 different 

686
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,320
things I prayed for and he would
see it and he would be he would 

687
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:18,160
just be like blown away. 
And so gradually he started, you

688
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,360
know, believe in the Bible and 
believe in this. 

689
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:25,120
There was truth in it. 
And then, you know, it was in 

690
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,800
the 1990s, I was went to a 
church and I was falsely accused

691
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,440
in this church. 
And, and so the pastor's wife 

692
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,800
had called me in and said that 
because of, of what we've heard,

693
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,000
and we're going to have to ask 
you to step down from everything

694
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,320
you're doing. 
I was teaching a ladies Sunday 

695
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,120
school class and it was the only
ladies class in the church. 

696
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,960
It was about, say, 40 women. 
And I was teaching that I had to

697
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,120
step down from that. 
I was singing in the choir and 

698
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,200
singing in a group and I had to 
step down from singing in the 

699
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,800
group. 
And, and so I just, I was just 

700
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,880
really hurt. 
I was devastated because it 

701
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,840
wasn't true what he said, and it
was basically like saying I was 

702
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,400
coming against the doctrines of 
the church and causing all this 

703
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,240
trouble and I would never do 
that anyway. 

704
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,560
I just wouldn't. 
I was hurt and I wanted to 

705
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,520
leave, of course, because I 
wasn't wanted there. 

706
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,040
And then you get rumors started 
and it gets bigger. 

707
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,159
I don't know what all you know. 
Snowballs into something 

708
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:21,280
completely fabricated, yes. 
All kinds of things got said and

709
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,400
so I really wasn't wanted in the
church at the time. 

710
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,480
And I was praying one day I was 
crying, I was making up my bed 

711
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:28,760
and I'm, I couldn't even see the
bed. 

712
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,000
I don't know how I was making it
up. 

713
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,440
I was crying so hard and I 
wanted to leave. 

714
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:35,239
And the Lord just spoke to my 
heart and he said about you with

715
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,600
my blood and you don't have a 
choice where you go to church 

716
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:38,960
and you'll stay here at this 
church. 

717
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,679
And so I stayed there, ended up 
it, it all got rectified later, 

718
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,560
later on down the road about a 
year later. 

719
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,320
But for that year, it was a 
really hard year for me. 

720
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:52,400
And, and, and so I thought, I've
got to serve the Lord somehow. 

721
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,719
You know, I've got to serve the 
Lord. 

722
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,520
I can't just sit here and do 
nothing. 

723
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,880
Best friend Bonnie, she was 
going to the jail and to beg me 

724
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,440
to go to the jail with her. 
First time I went, I got a heart

725
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,080
for those girls in there. 
They, they were there for drugs 

726
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,360
and alcohol. 
I thought, Oh my goodness, if I 

727
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,360
could just take them all home 
and get them to Jesus. 

728
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,360
So that was the beginning of the
Potter's house because in 2000 

729
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,320
my mother passed away, left me 
an inheritance. 

730
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,880
And my husband said when I I was
telling him, I just said I just 

731
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,360
love those girls. 
And I said I just wish I could 

732
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,160
get them and get them into 
church. 

733
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,320
And he said, well, why don't you
buy a house? 

734
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,920
And you said, wait, I was going,
wait a minute, that's actually 

735
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:30,120
good. 
I. 

736
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,920
Mean. 
Yeah, I mean, and it floored me 

737
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,640
that he he said that too. 
And I thought, well, I never 

738
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,040
thought about that. 
I never had to have the option 

739
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,200
to buy a house. 
So I bought the first Potter's 

740
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:42,920
house and and it started. 
That started the. 

741
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,600
Potter's house. 
Then there was a pastor I just 

742
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:46,880
loved. 
He was an evangelist. 

743
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,400
His name was Bill Stafford, and 
I wrote him a letter and I just 

744
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,600
told him how much I appreciate 
him, thank him for standing for 

745
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:56,480
the truth and all that. 
I found out his address and 

746
00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,320
everything and sent it to him. 
And my lowest, I guess the 

747
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:06,040
lowest day of my whole life, I 
was at rock bottom because I 

748
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,360
wasn't wanted in the church. 
And and I got a letter back from

749
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,160
somebody in the church that said
we, you know, told him I'm just 

750
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,560
praying for him. 
And they got a letter back 

751
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:15,840
saying we don't need your 
prayers. 

752
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,600
It was my lowest point in life. 
And I remember walking to the 

753
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:24,160
mailbox just I had really let 
the devil say something to me 

754
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,840
that I took a hold of. 
And I thought, I thought I was 

755
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,800
thinking this. 
I realize now he put it there. 

756
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,320
I thought the pastor and his 
wife, they're really good, great

757
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,720
people. 
They're godly people. 

758
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:35,400
People are getting saved in this
church. 

759
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:40,520
And if they believe that what I 
that I said that, then you know 

760
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,160
what? 
They've got to be right and me 

761
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,280
wrong. 
And I walked to the mailbox and 

762
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,080
there was a handwritten letter 
from Bill Stafford that very 

763
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,360
day. 
And he said, he said how much he

764
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,040
appreciated me. 
And I thought, you don't even 

765
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,480
know me. 
I mean, I've been in church 

766
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,360
where he preached. 
And this was before and this was

767
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,840
at the beginning. 
And but I had seen him several 

768
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,160
times and I don't know. 
He must have known about me 

769
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,200
because he said, you've been a 
blessing to me. 

770
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:12,880
And I was going like, and he 
said I'd like to ask you to go 

771
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:14,640
to Austria with us. 
He said, you know, I have the 

772
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,360
International Congress on 
revival. 

773
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,280
And so I was like, wow. 
I thought, there's no way I can 

774
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:22,520
go. 
And so I just put it away. 

775
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,080
One day my husband comes home 
and he had been with me to hear 

776
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,120
Bill Stafford because I liked 
him so much. 

777
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,600
And so he had, he knew who he 
was. 

778
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,000
He came home one day and he said
I got this extra bonus, like it 

779
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,200
was about 25,000 or something 
like that. 

780
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:37,520
Wow. 
And he said I didn't. 

781
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,160
Know that is a. 
Bonus, I didn't know I was 

782
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:41,520
getting this. 
And he said, I don't know why, 

783
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,240
but it's on my heart. 
I need to give something to Bill

784
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:46,240
Stafford. 
I was like, what? 

785
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,960
He said, I don't know. 
I said I just, I feel like I 

786
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:51,080
need to give something to Bill 
Stafford. 

787
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:52,560
Well, I ran in there and got 
that paper. 

788
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,320
So I got to go to Austria and 
had an Oh my goodness, it was 

789
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,800
awesome. 
But I came home and I was so 

790
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,600
excited about and I was telling 
my husband and he said when it 

791
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:04,960
comes around next year, I want 
to go. 

792
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:06,560
Well, he did. 
And my daughter. 

793
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,160
Wow. 
He went and I mean the minute we

794
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:12,920
walked in that place and he kept
crying and he just looked at me.

795
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:14,840
He said I don't know why. 
I said I can't quit crying. 

796
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,280
I thought I know why. 
So all because I was falsely 

797
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,280
accused. 
Yeah. 

798
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,160
I'm getting all of these 
bonuses. 

799
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,920
Yes. 
Definitely tell people, you 

800
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,400
know, if you're listening to 
this, if God's working in your 

801
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,840
heart and you don't like what 
he's doing, but he said you got 

802
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,880
to do, you better stick with 
because you don't know what's 

803
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,080
ahead. 
I had a Potter's house ahead. 

804
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,240
If I'd have left, there wouldn't
be a Potter's house. 

805
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:39,400
I would have never gone to 
Austria or Switzerland or 

806
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:40,360
Ireland. 
Yes. 

807
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,200
It's it really is that Romans 
828 yes, all things work 

808
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,240
together for his good if you 
surrender to his will and I mean

809
00:38:49,240 --> 00:38:53,800
that I look back at my life and 
I see all these things that I 

810
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:58,120
thought were just detrimental, 
you know, like to my future. 

811
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,160
I'm like, Oh my gosh, I didn't 
get a job there. 

812
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,200
I, you know, this happened to me
this and I'm like, but it got me

813
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,360
to where God wants me today. 
You know, I'm very, one of the 

814
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,800
big moments of mine was I wanted
to be a mother so bad and we got

815
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,160
the news of, you know, it was 
going to be very hard and all 

816
00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,680
this and God spoke to me And now
looking to where I am today, I'm

817
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,160
like, if he, if I would have had
a baby when I wanted that baby 

818
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,240
so bad and I'm crying out to 
him, I would have never been 

819
00:39:25,240 --> 00:39:27,240
where I am today. 
Well, I don't know that, but 

820
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:32,080
I'm, I'm very confident. 
You know, I, I cried out to him 

821
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,480
and I heard him for the first 
time and felt his presence. 

822
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,760
So like him just hugging me and 
saying you are going to be a 

823
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:41,360
mother, It's not on your time. 
It's not on your husband's time,

824
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:45,160
it's mine. 
And you know that that same 

825
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:47,440
thing with you, you know, you 
got falsely accused and you 

826
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,520
thought it was like the biggest 
thing and how am I going to go 

827
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,080
on? 
What am I going to do? 

828
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:56,280
And then it took you to the 
jails to meet the and find out 

829
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,480
that you had a calling for those
women. 

830
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,480
And then, you know, to be able 
to travel and then Mr. E get to 

831
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:06,680
experience that with you. 
Oh God, is just one. 

832
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,400
His sense of humor too. 
He's got such a good sense of 

833
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,960
humor about the like the 
receptionist or the secretary, 

834
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,240
you know, that's just so comical
to me because it's so funny. 

835
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:20,200
He's like, I'm going to send 
somebody, you know, and then 

836
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:22,680
just this stuff, it's just, it's
just amazing. 

837
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,680
It truly is. 
So Mr. E and does tell when does

838
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:32,400
he surrender? 
Well, finally 2. 1010 and he had

839
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,520
gotten where he had gotten where
he was reading the Bible every 

840
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,080
day. 
I'd go in there and he was 

841
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,920
reading the Bible every morning.
I was going like wow. 

842
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,560
And then sometimes he would ask 
me questions over it. 

843
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,400
One day he told me he said I 
need to go see Pastor Benny. 

844
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,160
And I said, OK, I mean, why? 
He said I want you to go with 

845
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:51,920
me. 
He said I need to get saved. 

846
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,840
And so, So we went Pastor Benny 
and went to his office, got an 

847
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,840
appointment with him and, and of
course he talked to Errol a good

848
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,640
Longwell and he prayed the 
prayer from then on. 

849
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:04,960
He, he didn't want to miss 
church. 

850
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,240
He loved church. 
He loved Pastor Benny and we 

851
00:41:09,240 --> 00:41:12,080
would go to church every Sunday.
He loved the Potter's house. 

852
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:15,800
One of the things that I always,
you know, love that my mom has 

853
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,880
said by coming through the 
Potter's house is like yours 

854
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,840
isn't trying to just make them 
stop being drug addicts or 

855
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:24,400
anything. 
You're just trying to show them 

856
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,720
the love of Jesus and fill them 
up with Jesus. 

857
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,360
That's your ultimate goal. 
It's not to just get sober. 

858
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,560
It's for them to have a personal
relationship with Jesus Christ. 

859
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,720
I just tell people, I said, we 
don't, we don't even deal with 

860
00:41:37,720 --> 00:41:39,640
the problem at all. 
We deal with the answer, which 

861
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,960
is Jesus, because if they ever 
get him in control of their life

862
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:45,800
and he's your master and Lord 
and you get on fire for him. 

863
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,840
He doesn't have a drug problem. 
So the real problem is that 

864
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,320
you're in control of your own 
life and he's not. 

865
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,280
And so we're we're actually a 
discipleship program. 

866
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,680
We're discipling them to become 
to follow him, to be in love 

867
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,800
with him. 
And and another thing to it, you

868
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,200
know, you realize that one of 
the you can know the word, but 

869
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,440
but if you know the word, it's 
different If you experience the 

870
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,160
word and a wise old pastor said 
one time, all truth has to be 

871
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:17,040
experienced to be known. 
And that's like if you read the 

872
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:20,680
words that you know, the your 
God will supply all your needs 

873
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,880
according to his riches and 
glory by Christ Jesus. 

874
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,760
That's words. 
That's nice words. 

875
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,520
But then one day you need, you 
need say $450 because you got a 

876
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,120
car note and you don't have it 
and you don't know what you're 

877
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,400
going to do. 
And you walk out to your mailbox

878
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,960
and some unknown person has put 
a check for $450 in your 

879
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,640
mailbox. 
Now you have experienced that 

880
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,000
truth that your God will supply 
all your needs. 

881
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,520
So all truth has to be 
experienced to be known. 

882
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,320
So what we want is our girls to 
experience the Lord, not just 

883
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,960
read about him and not just be 
taught about him, experience 

884
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,840
him. 
I tell the girls it's like this.

885
00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:58,440
I said, if you've never say you 
come from a foreign country and 

886
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,960
you've never heard of a lemon, 
you don't know what a lemon is. 

887
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:03,400
And somebody was saying, oh, 
we're going to have lemon pie. 

888
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,800
And you go, what's that? 
And you tell them all about the 

889
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,160
lemon pie. 
You get the recipe and show 

890
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,760
them, you bake a lemon pie and 
you show them the lemon pie. 

891
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,480
But they will never know what a 
lemon pie is until they taste of

892
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,080
it. 
You've got a taste, Bible says, 

893
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,080
Oh, taste and see that the Lord 
is good. 

894
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:22,480
When you get that literal 
experience, then you'll never 

895
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,840
doubt again what a lemon pie is,
right? 

896
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,960
Never. 
So that's our focus is not to 

897
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,600
dwell on the drugs and alcohol 
to drug to just to focus on 

898
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,640
Jesus and experience him because
he wants to answer us. 

899
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,880
He wants to show us how real he 
is. 

900
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:43,160
I love those light bulb moments,
you know, when different things 

901
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,880
start to click and he reveals 
more. 

902
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,600
And I say that often because you
know me, me and my friend Abby, 

903
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,560
we recorded last week. 
And I said, the longer you walk 

904
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,640
with him, the more he reveals 
himself to you. 

905
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,480
And like, it took years for him 
to say that to you, you know, 

906
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,760
and it doesn't just happen 
overnight. 

907
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:03,600
Change doesn't happen overnight.
But the longer you walk with 

908
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,120
him, you will change. 
You can't help but change 

909
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,520
because that's that's what he 
is. 

910
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:09,920
He's inside of you. 
He's living. 

911
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,880
He wants you to surrender to 
Him. 

912
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,880
Right, it's it's his life 
through ours yes, you know, 

913
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,520
because I recently I read 
something and it just really 

914
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,080
struck out at me that when you 
stand up and you do like this, 

915
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,840
your picture of the cross and I 
said so I like this. 

916
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,680
I said I'm going to start 
standing up in the mornings and 

917
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,080
I stand up and and I'll say, you
know, I'm crucified with Christ.

918
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,880
Nevertheless, I live yet not I 
but Christ liveth in me and the 

919
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,400
life which I now live in the 
flesh. 

920
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,000
I live by the faith of the Son 
of God who loved me and gave 

921
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,440
himself for me. 
And I don't know, it just just 

922
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,640
these things that you do instead
of just being routine and doing 

923
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:52,600
the same old thing, you know, He
wants something fresh, you know,

924
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,760
And I mean, I've been serving 
him a long time. 

925
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,360
I mean, since 1975 when I really
surrendered. 

926
00:44:59,720 --> 00:45:02,120
That's a lot of years. 
And I'm still learning and He's 

927
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,040
still showing me things. 
Well, Miss Cherie, we're going 

928
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,400
to start to close out. 
I'm going to ask you, is there 

929
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,120
anything that you feel like you 
want to say? 

930
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,680
Maybe a piece of advice, maybe 
something that God's revealed to

931
00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:15,720
you more recently? 
Anything. 

932
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,280
If you could say one last thing,
what would you want to say? 

933
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:20,760
I was thinking it was this day 
before yesterday. 

934
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:24,080
It's just something jumped out 
me out at me and it's tell the 

935
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:29,440
Lord that you love him and ask 
what can you do for him that 

936
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,720
would bring him glory so that 
the sun may be glorified through

937
00:45:32,720 --> 00:45:35,440
him. 
And so I thought how many times 

938
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,120
that we asked stuff for 
ourselves, but how many, you 

939
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:39,840
know, all the time. 
But how many times do we say, 

940
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,040
Lord, what can I do for you 
today? 

941
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,960
You know how? 
How can I bring you glory today 

942
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:50,440
so that your glory will be seen 
through the sun, which is Jesus?

943
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,520
Yes, this has been great. 
Thank you so much for having me.

944
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:59,360
Yes, we are so excited. 
I cannot wait to see what God 

945
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:04,320
does through these episodes and 
these recordings. 

946
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:09,040
I know that her story, Lisa's 
story, Deb's story, they have 

947
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,360
all impacted my life so greatly 
and I hope and pray for the same

948
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,840
for you. 
So stay tuned, stay blessed, and

949
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:17,760
we'll see you next week. 
Bye.