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What's up everyone? 33 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:56,480 You are listening to the CDs Mag podcast. 34 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:59,160 I'm your host Chris Chavez, and every week we go beyond the 35 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,800 results to bring you conversations with the biggest 36 00:02:01,800 --> 00:02:04,200 names on the track, the roads, and behind the scenes. 37 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:07,480 From world class athletes and coaches to innovators shaping 38 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:09,639 the sport. If it's happening on the track, 39 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:12,560 we're covering it with real insights that sharpen minds, 40 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:16,080 deep dives into the moments that define careers and the kind of 41 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,080 access to the pros you won't get anywhere else. 42 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,680 So let's get into it because we love track and field. 43 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,880 My guest for today's episode is Marco Langan, the 21 year old 44 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,640 distance runner out of the state of New Jersey who just finished 45 00:02:31,640 --> 00:02:35,000 his career at Villanova and signed a professional contract 46 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,840 with Eudora. He made his pro debut at the Pre 47 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,400 Classic and is currently in Germany as he gets started on 48 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:45,640 his European circuit tour. His resume is really strong from 49 00:02:45,640 --> 00:02:48,960 his four years at Villanova. He ran personal best of 332 in 50 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:54,520 the 1500 seven 34 in the 3K and thirteen O 5 five in the 5K, all 51 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,520 which put him top 4IN NCAA history. 52 00:02:57,920 --> 00:03:00,440 He was at the center of some of the most dramatic finishes of 53 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,640 the past season. He dove at the finish line in 54 00:03:03,640 --> 00:03:06,240 this duel against Hampton Samuel at BU. 55 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,520 He anchored Villanova to the four by mile title at the Penn 56 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:13,320 Relays after some hotly contested back-to-back days 57 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,320 against Oregon and their anchor Simeon Birnbaum. 58 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:21,760 Those were must watch races. I was really excited to talk to 59 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:24,000 Marco. He's been on on a little bit of 60 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,520 the podcast tour lately. His story is pretty impactful. 61 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:33,440 He grew up watch his mom, a lunch lady, navigate a divorce 62 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,320 and make ends meet for him and his sister on a single income. 63 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:39,760 He was stocking shelves in a convenience store freezer while 64 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:42,440 in high school. He was also crying because he 65 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:47,320 knew that that couldn't be his life and he is someone who has 66 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,480 been really committed to exploring how good he could be 67 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:51,200 at this. Sport. 68 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,960 Because it could lead to him providing for his family. 69 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,520 So he signed with Diodoria specifically because they took a 70 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,920 chance on him before anyone else did when he signed his NIL deal. 71 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:04,840 And his personality is not one that necessarily fits into some 72 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,720 of the bigger brands marketing strategy. 73 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,480 It's quick to admit that himself. 74 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,560 So in this chat, we get into all of that. 75 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,480 From the moments in that quick check freezer that made the 76 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,880 dream feel urgent, his full ride to Villanova, what he's taking 77 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,959 from coach Marcus O'Sullivan, and what they also butted heads 78 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:26,280 on Penn Relay's anchor that he describes as the most relieved 79 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:28,480 he's ever felt rather than the happiest. 80 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:34,240 The 1500 versus 5K debate that he's still processing and what 81 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,120 he's looking forward to in his first season as a pro. 82 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:41,120 So without further ado, welcome Markel Lengen to the Cities Mag 83 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:53,760 podcast. All right now I'm joined by 84 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:58,280 Marco Langan, fresh off of his professional debut, just signed 85 00:04:58,280 --> 00:05:02,240 with the Adora, now spending some time out in Germany. 86 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,120 So how's the pro-life treating you right now, Marco? 87 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,480 It's pretty cool. Yeah, It's not too bad. 88 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:10,520 I still have two summer classes I'm taking right now. 89 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:15,600 But besides that, it's it's all good, you know, just kind of I 90 00:05:15,600 --> 00:05:18,480 got to think about it. I'm like trying to like 91 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,080 structure my time and damn, I'm like, dude, like I don't, I 92 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,240 don't even do anything all day except for run. 93 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,720 So like it's pretty much like when I'm at school, I was trying 94 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:29,840 to find time to chill out. It's just like now you're trying 95 00:05:29,840 --> 00:05:32,920 to find time to not chill out. You know what I mean? 96 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:36,200 So it's it's pretty cool. Like there's you pretty much 97 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,000 just get to hang out all day and run twice a day. 98 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,960 So like you got the whole afternoon and night to yourself. 99 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:43,920 So it's it's pretty cool. Where? 100 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:47,720 What are the summer classes in? This media thing and then I'm 101 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:50,400 I'm doing an internship as well, so. 102 00:05:50,760 --> 00:05:53,080 Because I guess like The funny thing, I think we used to ask 103 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:56,600 this to the athletes at the NCAA cross country championship is 104 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:58,680 like, what's what? What's the major you're studying 105 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:02,400 and how? What does it make like, how does 106 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,040 that make you a better runner or what? 107 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,480 What do you apply from your major to your everyday running? 108 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:09,000 So do you have any connection between your major and and 109 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:09,840 running? No. 110 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:12,800 Absolutely not. I don't even like even if I 111 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,760 wasn't running my major and had nothing to do with what I wanted 112 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,360 to do in my actual life, like cooking and being a chef. 113 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:23,000 So like having having a degree is just to have a piece of paper 114 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,840 and be like the first one, my family to do it. 115 00:06:24,840 --> 00:06:27,960 So like that, that's really the only, that's the only thing the 116 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:29,880 degree means to me. It doesn't really mean much. 117 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,640 And then having the connection to the alumni, that's really the 118 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,280 only thing that the Villanova degree does for me. 119 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,760 This dream of being a professional runner, I think 120 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,560 just from prior interviews that you've done like really 121 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,240 intensified for you in junior year of high school, right? 122 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,520 And so like what? What exactly happened that 123 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,160 junior year that opened your eyes to this whole other side of 124 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,760 the sport? Just tired of being broke kind 125 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,920 of, you know, I wanted to make money doing something and like, 126 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,760 I wasn't really good at much else, you know, Like, and I 127 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,480 remember I was working in this place, quick check and I would 128 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,840 just be in the walk in and like stuck in the shelves and stuck 129 00:07:04,840 --> 00:07:06,920 in the shelves. And literally like, it'd be 6:00 130 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,320 AM. Yeah, I'd get to work at 6:00 131 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:09,200 AM. First thing. 132 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,080 I'd be being there. It's freezing cold during the 133 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,480 winter. My mom had just dropped me off 134 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,160 or I had walked and it's I'm just like, fuck, dude. 135 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,480 Like I, I, I don't want to, this is not what I want my life to 136 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:20,400 be. But I had to make money, you 137 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:24,680 know, like, and I was just like, dude, like I do not want to be 138 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:26,480 doing this. And then I would literally there 139 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,520 would be days where I just, I would literally like cry. 140 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,680 Like I would literally be in there just like crying because 141 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,560 I'm like, dude, like if, if my life comes to this, working in 142 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,840 quick check is like all the people that were like managers 143 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,160 are like 30 years old, 28 years old working there. 144 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:43,720 And I'm like, listen, no offense, like you're, you're 145 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,920 making money, but like, I'm like, dude, like that, that's 146 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,360 not for me. Like that's I'm just not working 147 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,800 a dead end job, you know, like especially if I have a family 148 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:55,720 and like I'm a mom, my sister, I'm taking care of like I'm not 149 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,840 trying to, I'm not trying to be like that dude. 150 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,800 That that's I could barely take care of myself. 151 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,440 So it's like. I just, I knew I wanted to be a 152 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:04,560 pro runner and I knew that people are. 153 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:07,280 I was like, oh, there's no. Money in the sport or anything 154 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,000 like that. I'm like there, there's money if 155 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,040 you, if you know, if, if you're running well, there's money in 156 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,680 the sport. You know, it's just you, you 157 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,640 just got to be running well. And like, I knew I was going to 158 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,600 be in a good spot to be financially stable one day. 159 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,200 So yeah. How does Matt Centritz become 160 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,520 your iPhone wallpaper? Oh, man, you know, just like 161 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:30,200 2016 winning gold, like he's he's just a stud, you know, like 162 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:33,039 it it it's unbelievable. And like a lucky thing I could I 163 00:08:33,039 --> 00:08:35,919 still you could kind of like right now I have Drilindo 164 00:08:35,919 --> 00:08:41,200 Bourdain smoking a cigarette, but like I'm trying to find Oh 165 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,080 subco. I can't find the central one, 166 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,520 but I did have central, but I had Sebco at one point. 167 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,680 Is this 1? And I just like just like seeing 168 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:55,080 their races, man. You just like damn, like I want 169 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,200 to be a guy like that, you know, and just like kind of like the 170 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,720 OR that central had around him. Like I hate using that word, but 171 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:01,240 that's the only. Way to describe. 172 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,680 Him and it's just like he's just a dope guy, you know, like he's 173 00:09:03,680 --> 00:09:06,800 cool and like being able to like, you know, his dad as well 174 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,920 and talking pretty closely to his dad. 175 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,640 It's pretty unbelievable. And like kind of sharing like a 176 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,240 similar story about like both not really having father figures 177 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:19,200 in our lives, like and like our coaches being our father figure. 178 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:21,440 It's kind of just like it's like meeting guys like that I think 179 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,160 is really cool and it's definitely something to be 180 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,000 grateful for. So before we start recording, I 181 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,240 think I mentioned to you just sort of how one thing I 182 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,720 appreciate about one, one thing that comes across whenever you 183 00:09:33,720 --> 00:09:36,040 do these interviews is like, you know, so many people are quick 184 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:40,160 to gravitate towards like the, you know, the the one liners 185 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:43,400 that draw attention and also just sort of like hype up, you 186 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,680 know, the season and matchups to come, all that kind of stuff, 187 00:09:45,680 --> 00:09:49,200 right, That's great. But I appreciate just how much 188 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,800 of a student of the history of the sport you are. 189 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,000 And so how does, how did, how did you go about just sort of 190 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:59,760 becoming that nerd with an appreciation of the old side of 191 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:02,440 the sport? Like because obviously for me 192 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:06,360 personally, it was similar 2012 Olympics roll around for me. 193 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,040 I'm like, all right, I wanted to know more about the athletes 194 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:12,520 beyond just Usain Bolt. And so I went back, read old 195 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,760 Sports Illustrated stories, went and watched old videos on 196 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:20,560 YouTube of like old races. And that's just sort of how I 197 00:10:20,560 --> 00:10:23,040 reverse engineered myself as a, as a fan of the sport. 198 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,920 So for you, I guess like 2016, 2015, around that time, like 199 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,280 where after you're starting to watch, watch these people who 200 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:32,200 are inspiring you, what steps did you take to kind of start to 201 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:36,400 develop that passion for the old school, the old school side? 202 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:40,680 I think I just love the history because my grandpa, he was very 203 00:10:40,680 --> 00:10:44,120 like, like very involved in just the history of anything. 204 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,080 Like you asked. Like I'd like like, I'm not 205 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:47,640 saying this term like lightheartedly, but like I 206 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,800 actually do think he's like a genius and like also a bit like 207 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,160 narcissistic in a way. And he always has to be right. 208 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,880 And so he's going to know everything, like everything 209 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,560 about anything. He just, he just knows. 210 00:10:59,560 --> 00:11:02,320 It's like, I'm not good. Like, and it sucks because like 211 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,280 you can't have a conversation with him sometimes, but like 212 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,640 like, and I haven't talked to him in a while, but like 213 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,920 genuinely, he's one of the smartest people ever. 214 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:14,960 Like he just knows everything. And it's like, I think being 215 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,360 involved around that and like my high school coach, like being 216 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,640 involved with it back in the day, Marcus, having him as my 217 00:11:21,640 --> 00:11:23,840 college coach, you kind of just like learn the history and know 218 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:25,320 the history. And it's like you all want 219 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,360 someone knowing more than you about a sport that you love. 220 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,360 You know, it's like you want to know the most about it. 221 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,160 And like, I mean, being able to know like quick facts, like 222 00:11:32,560 --> 00:11:37,040 who's the, who was The Who held the longest winning streak ever? 223 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,120 And it was Edwin Moses. And you think about that and 224 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:40,920 you're like, oh, shit, like people are like, oh, who's Edwin 225 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:42,320 Moses? And you're like, oh, fucking 226 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:44,320 hurdle her. So I feel like that's pretty 227 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:45,760 cool. Who was actually with Theodora 228 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:47,560 at one point in time, which is pretty cool. 229 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,800 Let's touch on the we'll, we'll bounce around a bit, but we'll 230 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,800 touch on the decision to sign with the Adora. 231 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,080 Obviously you had like the nil with them, but what went into 232 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:00,000 just sort of, you know, the decision to turn pro and you 233 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,280 know, they've obviously are making strides right now in 234 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,160 spike development and so it seems like you've been part of 235 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,720 that as well. Yeah, no, I mean it. 236 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,960 It's like starting with them, you know, you're with a brand 237 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,200 that one that care about the athlete and they'll put the 238 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,040 athlete above anything. You know, it's not just like a 239 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:17,960 whole mark. They're not just marketing for 240 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,200 the public consumer. It's more for like the athlete, 241 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,800 you know, and like the people who want to be really good. 242 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:25,280 It's like you go to the adore and that was out there motto for 243 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,280 like the longest time is being for the athlete. 244 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,280 And I mean money was obviously a big thing. 245 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:35,880 Like I would be like, you'd be, you'd be naive to think that 246 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,280 money wasn't like a part of it. And it's like. 247 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:39,440 You have to. You have to make a. 248 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:43,080 Living so that that was a big. Thing and then also like I 249 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,800 probably would have to become a bit more diplomatic in the way I 250 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,520 present myself when if I were to be with a brand like Nike or 251 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:54,320 Adidas or especially New Balance or something like that, you 252 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,720 know, like, like you, you just I, I wouldn't be able to be 253 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,440 myself, you know, and like, I mean, fair play to people like 254 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,880 that and people who are like sponsored by those brands, but 255 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,200 I'm just, I'm not like that, you know, that's not how I was 256 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:07,840 raised. It's not the environment I was 257 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:11,120 ever in, you know, it's just like that how I am is the only 258 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:12,840 thing I know. Like how I am is literally all I 259 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:14,840 know. That's how all I know how to be, 260 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,440 just because, like, that's just who I am, you know? 261 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,360 There's been a couple moments, I think that I mean, you're you're 262 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,200 not shy and talking about just sort of like the fact of how 263 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:27,320 much money weighed into this this thing and money weighing a 264 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:30,520 like a part in so many of the decisions for your career along 265 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:32,720 the way. The full ride to to Villanova 266 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,840 being like a key part of the reason why you ended up there. 267 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,040 And at the same time, it all ties back to distributive your 268 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,560 family and wanting to be someone to provide for them. 269 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:46,600 So I guess how how was the conversation, I guess like with 270 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,440 your mom when you told her First off about like the money coming 271 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,840 in from the nil deal and then this time around it's like, all 272 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,280 right, well, you know, this, this is now another level up. 273 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,440 Now we've got this stability with you as a pro for, you know, 274 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,440 with this contract that runs for a couple years. 275 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:05,200 Yeah, I mean, the conversation was like, you know, and and it's 276 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,880 almost sad because sometimes she'll she'll feel bad that like 277 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,360 I have to be helping her pay the mortgage or I have to be giving 278 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,520 her money for a bill. Like she has a job and she's 279 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,320 like doing her thing. But like, it's, it's not, it's, 280 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:18,320 it's just not enough. It's just simply not enough. 281 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:21,000 And I mean like that, not to get into politics or everything, but 282 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,440 I mean, that's like the problem with America. 283 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,240 Like, you know, like people in the lower class don't 284 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:29,040 necessarily get provided for. You know, your people are so 285 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,080 focused on. And I don't even really want to 286 00:14:31,080 --> 00:14:34,200 get into, but like, wait, like the extreme like poverty, like, 287 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,120 and that should be a focus. But like the people in the lower 288 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,720 class just get kind of screwed over with a lot of things. 289 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:42,280 So it's like, you know, like her having to like get through the 290 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,400 divorce and everything and taking care of my sister and 291 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,320 like, as well as being able to take care of me. 292 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:52,000 Like she, she's always been there and she made the sacrifice 293 00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:56,600 to not be having a very high paying job, to be able to be 294 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:59,680 there and be like a role model for me growing up, you know, 295 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:04,080 like I, it's not like there was no like stability in that way, 296 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:07,120 but she was always made sure like that she was there for me. 297 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:08,920 Like whenever I need her, like she's always there. 298 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:10,800 She's always answering the phone, you know, she's always 299 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,280 there for me. But like that was with at the 300 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:17,320 sacrifice of not having a the highest paying job, you know, I 301 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,920 mean, she's a lunch lady. She works in a school district 302 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,160 and that's that's just what she does. 303 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:28,320 And like, you know, that that was like, that was definitely 304 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,560 like, I was like, you know what, like she's done so much for me. 305 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:32,360 It's like now it's time that I have to do something for. 306 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,680 And I had to like she, she was getting divorced and I was like, 307 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,640 you know what, like I, I need to be making money because now you 308 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,200 don't have two incomes in a household. 309 00:15:39,640 --> 00:15:42,880 Like you got to, you got to fucking carry your own weight, 310 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,800 you know, and there was a bit of time like her ex-husband, so 311 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:52,720 like my sister's dad, she had, he had been like, like pretty 312 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:55,200 much essentially like laid off or fired from his job. 313 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:56,960 And that was a pretty rough time. 314 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:58,520 You know, we were, we were getting screwed over. 315 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,120 So it's like, fuck, like I don't want to be, I don't want to be 316 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,720 in a situation where my kids ever have to worry about money. 317 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,720 I want them to be worried about their, their schooling, their 318 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,560 athletics, if they want to do athletics, fucking play the 319 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:12,520 saxophone or some shit. I don't care what they did. 320 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,640 I don't want them to be focused on things like that and being 321 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:18,400 being able to fully invest themselves on that. 322 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:21,400 And like, if they need to go to clinics or need to go to travel 323 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:25,160 teams or need to get lessons for this and then want to do like 324 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,840 snowboarding or skateboarding on the side, like, and like going 325 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,480 to like the mountains and paying those. 326 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,800 Like I want my kids to be able to do all of that stuff, you 327 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,600 know, like I was never able to do that. 328 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,840 And I was like, you know what, like I'm, I just want to be in a 329 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,960 position where we're not worried about money, you know, and like 330 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,680 my, my kids don't have to miss out on anything. 331 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,040 Like, I mean, I remember like my mom, we were talking about it 332 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,160 like when we, when I would, when everyone to be going out to eat 333 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,440 or anything like that, or like we'd be going to Buffalo Wild 334 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,720 Wings on a Friday night. Like my mom would just have to 335 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:56,880 like bite her tongue and be like, fuck. 336 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:01,680 Like, like, and just like she, she had, she fed, she found, 337 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,240 always found a way to, she would take money out of like the 338 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,839 savings jar and like the little one that we have in our kitchen. 339 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,480 And she's like, here we go. Like, this is from the savings 340 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:12,880 jar. Like, I can't be doing this all 341 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:13,839 the time. Like, yeah. 342 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:18,000 And I'm just like, fuck, like I don't want to be having my kids 343 00:17:18,000 --> 00:17:19,319 like that. I mean, it gave me a fucking 344 00:17:19,319 --> 00:17:23,359 shit ton to drive, you know, Like, so it was always like, it 345 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,200 was just a matter of like when I'll be able to have the time 346 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:30,400 to, to fully bring myself to, to where I need to be, you know? 347 00:17:33,120 --> 00:17:36,120 This episode of the CS Mac Podcast is supported by Bandit. 348 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:41,160 Bandits started the unsponsored project back in 2023 as their 349 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,080 way of supporting athletes without any major shoe 350 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,000 contracts. They provide them with an 351 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,040 unbranded race kit, funding for travel, lodging and a wide array 352 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,440 of other needs. To this date. 12 athletes in the 353 00:17:53,480 --> 00:17:56,520 unsponsored project have gone on to sign pro contracts. 354 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,640 So to hear more about this initiative, we chatted with 355 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,080 Director of Experiences Tim Rossi to hear a bit more about 356 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,480 Bandits Unsponsored Project and some of the athletes that they 357 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,360 will be be supporting at the 2026 USATF Outdoor 358 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:13,520 Championships. What have been some of the most 359 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:16,720 fulfilling moments? Attending some of these US 360 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:21,040 Championships and watching these unsponsored athletes 361 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:25,040 breakthrough and make teams. Yeah, I mean, again, I think 362 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:28,920 like I always go back to Trevor as the the best in class, mostly 363 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,600 because it was the Olympics and that's the pinnacle of the 364 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:34,560 sport. Making that 400 hurdles team in 365 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:38,880 2024 was amazing, but I think it's equally fulfilling to go 366 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:41,600 back to US outdoors. Having been through this three 367 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,920 Times Now and going into Year 4, it's really cool to see alumni 368 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,840 of the project wearing a different brands kit who are 369 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:50,640 financially supporting them at this point. 370 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:52,880 Eleanor Fulton is another name that I always bring up. 371 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,080 She's kind of a, a cult hero, if you will, within the sport, was 372 00:18:56,080 --> 00:19:00,160 unsponsored for a huge amount of time and now is supported by 373 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:03,280 ASICS and competed as an ASICS athlete last year. 374 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,680 And, and it was really, really cool to see someone like her get 375 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,400 recognized for how amazing of an athlete she is. 376 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,720 And then even on the flip side, we're supporting Helen, who had 377 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,960 a a really tough fall at US outdoors last year. 378 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,560 And it's one of those things we're going to the Bell Lab. 379 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:23,240 She's in position to, to maybe make a team, maybe compete for 380 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:24,760 the win. And then you don't get to see 381 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:26,880 how that plays out. But to be able to support 382 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,760 someone like Helen even into this year, we're supporting 383 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:30,240 supporting her right now as well. 384 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:32,360 Just give those athletes a chance. 385 00:19:32,360 --> 00:19:35,840 More than anything, I think track is one of those it, it can 386 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,720 turn on a dime, people can fall, people can have a bad day, 387 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,480 people can have an amazing day. That's part of the fun of this 388 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,200 sport as well for. More unbanded unsponsored 389 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,160 project. Stick around after this episode, 390 00:19:46,360 --> 00:19:48,360 and to read up on some of the athletes in the Unsponsored 391 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:50,320 project, head on over to citiesmag.com. 392 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,720 Did you go to a lot of races for you growing up? 393 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,760 I mean, like, she's clearly supportive and yeah. 394 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,120 Yeah, she went to, she's any race that she could go to, 395 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,280 she'll go to, you know, and like she doesn't have money to fly 396 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,720 all over the place. But like since I have an IL 397 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:10,840 money like I have a pro contract now I can afford I could pay for 398 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,400 her like I played paid for a flight to Arkansas and I paid 399 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,960 for her and my sister's flight to Oregon, you know? 400 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:19,600 So she and she like felt horrible because she was like 401 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,600 looking at the prices for like an Airbnb and A and the flights 402 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,400 to Oregon and the rental car. And she's like, I can't afford, 403 00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:28,840 like we can't do this is it's impossible. 404 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:32,280 It's so expensive so. And I was like, I'm, I'm paying 405 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,520 for it, you know, she feels bad that I have to be the one paying 406 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,440 for that. So I'm like, like, I have a pro 407 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,040 contract for a reason. Like I have, I'm making money 408 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,160 for a reason to fucking spend it, you know, like, don't worry 409 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,600 about that shit. So, and she just, she just feels 410 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:49,040 bad that it kind of has to come to like me doing all that, you 411 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,600 know, But I, I, I've fucking love having her there. 412 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:56,160 Whenever I race at BU, she'll drive that morning and she'll 413 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:58,760 come back that night. So it's not a, because we're 414 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:00,920 only like 3 hours away, but like, I mean, she's doing 6 415 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:02,040 hours of driving a day to see me. 416 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:05,240 So she's like always there, like watching my races and stuff when 417 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:07,800 she can. The confidence in bravado that 418 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,480 so many of your your fans obviously like kind of gravitate 419 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,120 to. Like where did you feel like you 420 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:15,760 started to 1st see that start to come out like because it's been 421 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,360 there since you were a high schooler, state champion and all 422 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:20,840 that kind of stuff. But like, was it before that, I 423 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,800 guess, like you started to really, I guess, exude that 424 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:26,400 confidence. Yeah, I mean, like if you don't 425 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,360 have confidence, you're going to get walked over like with in my 426 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,640 with my friends, like how I was like grew up and everything. 427 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,480 Like you don't have the confidence you're getting 428 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,720 fucking walked over, you know, like, you know, you got to you 429 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,280 got to stand your ground. You got even if even if you 430 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:41,400 don't even believe in the shit that you're saying, you still 431 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:44,200 got to stay, you got to you got to really just like instill 432 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,040 that. And then you say it enough, 433 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,200 you're going to end up starting to believe it, you know, like 434 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:53,160 it's just you kind of just have to have that confidence whenever 435 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,640 anything that you do, you know, And I was like, the biggest 436 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:01,600 thing that had driven me was just having that confidence. 437 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,960 I won't even say bravado. I think it's just having an 438 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,160 extreme level of confidence and delusion that like that. 439 00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:08,960 Nothing. You don't want anything to seem 440 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,520 like you want it to seem hard because then, you know, you have 441 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,440 to fight for it, but you don't want to seem impossible. 442 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,480 Like you just got to know, like, like you got to do what you're 443 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,480 told to do. You know, like if your coach 444 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,840 tells you to win a race, you go out and you win a race and if 445 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,880 you don't win it all right, well, you got to move on to the 446 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:26,560 next one. So like I'm human, like, you 447 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,080 know, like you can't fucking win them all. 448 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,480 Like, like you go, you go in, you can't win them all. 449 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:36,800 But I think I'm only like I maybe only lost in my senior 450 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,480 season in college. I'm lost one to I think I only 451 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,240 lost like 3 races or something like that. 452 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:46,040 Like I was undefeated in four races out of however many ideas. 453 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:49,160 So it's like, and it was, it sucks like that. 454 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,400 Those were definitely more than four rate whatever it is. 455 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:52,800 Like I was winning more than I was losing. 456 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,040 But it's like you can't win them all, but it's like, as much as 457 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,920 you'd like to, but you got to believe that you could win them 458 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,680 all so. Take me through your thought 459 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,800 process sometimes, like have there been those moments where 460 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,480 sort of like you've outwardly said something and then 461 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:08,880 afterwards you're like, oh crap, all right now I got to like work 462 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,680 hard towards it because I've said it. 463 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,920 Or is the belief already seated in you before you? 464 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:17,080 You go out and say. Like I've I've always believed 465 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,760 in myself. Like always, no matter what, 466 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,480 like whatever race it is, I'm like, because every race that 467 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,320 I'm in, I'm capable of winning. Every race that I was in this 468 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,080 year so far, I've been capable of winning. 469 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,760 And it's like, and if I don't do it, it could, there's, there's 470 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,560 obviously reasons to it, but like, I'm not going to sit there 471 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,520 and be like a New Balance Grand Prix. 472 00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,160 I was sick the entire way leading up to it. 473 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:44,880 You know, before NCAA Indoor, I had the stomach bug and I was 474 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,680 like throwing my brains out, throwing up my brains out and 475 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,480 shit. And all like the entire week 476 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,040 leading up. Like, but I'm not going to say 477 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,080 I'm not going to sit there and and complain about I'm going to 478 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,000 do what I can to, to whatever cards I have. 479 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,320 Like I'm still going to believe I could win. 480 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:03,280 You know, shit like you just, you just got to you just got to 481 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:07,200 be confident in it. And like, like part of me, like 482 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,520 I think this, this kind of whole, like as per all the 483 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,920 training that I've done in the, the times I've ran, I've only 484 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,160 been running off my fitness. I've never actually ran. 485 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,760 We never trained to win. And I think that's the one thing 486 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,200 I had lacked in college is being able to I I've stayed injury 487 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,400 free, but like I've I never trained to truly win. 488 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:28,160 I've never like really pushed myself ever in training to where 489 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,880 it's like we're training to win. But like I'm not going to tell 490 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,640 myself that like during the season I'm going to be like, 491 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,640 yeah, I fucking think I could win this like just like out dog 492 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:38,080 everybody. But you can't always do that, 493 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,480 you know? How different was sort of the 494 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,160 level up in training once he got to Villanova versus to like what 495 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,880 you were doing in high school? It's always really cool to hear. 496 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,800 Just sort of like, oh man, like some of these people were doing 497 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,200 2030 miles a week and now, all right, it's 70 by the end. 498 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,520 I mean, that's what I was doing. I was doing. 499 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:58,280 Like 2535 miles a week in high school I ran four O 4 and 848. 500 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,240 You know, like I ran well on like I did. 501 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,680 I was just naturally gifted and was lucky. 502 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,600 And then my freshman year I ran 50 miles. 503 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:12,360 Sophomore year ran 70 miles. Junior year my coach gave me 504 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:15,600 like 85 miles and I just said fuck it, I'm doing 100 miles. 505 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,880 I was just tired of being and I didn't text him the entire 506 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,280 summer. I was fucking pissed at it. 507 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,480 Like we were just, I just want to be good so badly. 508 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,760 So I just, I ran like I did like two or three weeks at 100 miles 509 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,080 and then went back down to like 90. 510 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:32,720 And then like mileage is king, you know, miles, miles gets you 511 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:33,920 better. So like, why not do it? 512 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,240 And then my senior year, like going into this year, I'd only 513 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,760 ran, I was only running like 95 miles a week, but I'm doing that 514 00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:41,840 in six days. So that's essentially like one O 515 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,280 5 or some shit when you or 1:10 or something, like if you had 516 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,560 the 7th day and keep the average the same. 517 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:51,120 But yeah, like I, I want to be running 100 mile a week. 518 00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:53,480 So I want to be training harder, like as a pro, you know? 519 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,240 I know you'd like going back and watching old races, but in terms 520 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,880 of training, like how much do you dive into what the old guys, 521 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:05,240 the old guard was doing? Not a lot because like 522 00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:08,440 everything has changed, but I mean like when, when you look at 523 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,680 Cindy Marie and seeing him run 329 off the training he was 524 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,480 doing, you're like, dude, like he was training. 525 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:21,000 And so he was doing like 10 mile runs and and 4948 minutes every 526 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,200 single day and then come back in the afternoon doing another 527 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,760 crazy run And like that's obviously not sustainable 528 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,000 training now and the risk of getting injured is high. 529 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,200 But like sometimes you, you do got to you got to have those 530 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,320 hard long runs in there. Like honestly, like during the a 531 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,960 full block, like you got to have some hard, hilly long runs. 532 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,720 You know, that's like the, the wet more, the wet more way like 533 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,200 running with the Buffalo, like you got to just do like 18 miles 534 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,320 hard and hilly. Like that's literally all like 535 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,640 that shit's important. That's like small shit that's 536 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,240 important that like people get too involved in the science and 537 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,840 like, I believe in the science, but sometimes you need that 538 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,160 intuition of like getting out there and grinding for a bit and 539 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,720 running 10 miles and be like, fuck, I have another 8 miles to 540 00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:00,120 do. So it's going to just sort of, 541 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,000 yeah, your your setup for being a professional. 542 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,120 So right now you're spending some time in Germany. 543 00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:07,720 You've share an agent with Cam Myers. 544 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,760 So you've jumped in a couple runs and workouts with him. 545 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,800 So before I guess like your own sort of specific setup, like it 546 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,240 is kind of a nice flexible, fun, fun part of the season to just 547 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,840 experiment and like if there's nothing that's really too high 548 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,280 stakes. So like, what have you picked up 549 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,080 on from just sort of obviously we see the results of how well 550 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,920 Cam is running, but it's like what what have you noticed? 551 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,320 Sort of like, all right, this is what this kids doing and makes 552 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,720 him special. Like I want to try and adopt 553 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,320 some of that. Yeah, so he has his coach Dick 554 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,760 Telford, who I've actually had the ability to meet. 555 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,320 He's pretty, he's funny. He's like a he's like a fucking 556 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,800 Oracle, man. He's tough. 557 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,840 His tweets are great. Yeah, yeah, he's fine. 558 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,480 He's a really good dude from like how long I've known and 559 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,880 it's like been a couple days. I'm like feel like you just know 560 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:58,240 the guy, but I've more noticed that he has it's like we kind of 561 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,600 trained similar in a way, but it's also just so different. 562 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:05,240 Like we never did like like he has like his LT1 Lt. 2 and so to 563 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,920 do like the Norwegians, but we just do fucking like Lt. fucking 564 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:14,120 zero, like like, you know, like we, we don't do anything, 565 00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:17,400 anything like that. Like where I feel like just we, 566 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,080 we've always just trained very easy. 567 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,720 But then seeing Cam like when he's doing 2 hundreds, he's 568 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,640 doing them in like 28 to 26, you know, and I'm just like, fuck, 569 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,640 like like that's not should I really do or anything like that? 570 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,120 Whenever like like he's doing like like a speed session on 571 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:36,680 Monday and stuff like, and then he's doing double T like once a 572 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,440 week and then he's doing something hard on the track. 573 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,400 And like when they're doing it hard on the track, they're never 574 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,880 really, I don't like as I from what I've seen, like they're not 575 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,080 measuring, they're just doing it. 576 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:47,000 They're just doing it. And you know, it's like like, 577 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,280 for example, he was doing, he did like some sort of K session. 578 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,520 He was running like 250 fives. And I'm like, fuck, like it's 579 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,760 pretty crazy. Like I feel, and also too like I 580 00:28:56,760 --> 00:29:00,400 think me being in college has been different because like my, 581 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,240 it for double T, right? My morning session, my, my 582 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,080 morning session is like, I'm just going to give it like a 583 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,800 vague number like 4 by 5 minutes, 4 by 6 minutes or 584 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,360 something like that. But my afternoon session is 12 585 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,200 by K. His sessions would be more like 586 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,280 8K of work in the morning, 8K of work in the afternoon, you know 587 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:20,600 what I mean? So it's like it's like it's 588 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,880 more, it's even split minds, just like it's because we had 589 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,440 classes and shit, so we can't do as much in the morning and all 590 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,320 that. But and even like I'm like, 591 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,680 damn, like he's running 255 KS. Like I run gays at school and in 592 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,280 like 3310 or some shit like that. 593 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,760 Like, you know, I'm going pretty slow. 594 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:40,720 But yeah, like just, I don't know, it's just for cool. 595 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,080 Like when you, when you're in, when you're at this level, like 596 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,280 every Pro is pretty much training the same way everyone's 597 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,480 doing. Like everyone's running hard 598 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,400 shit, you know, like everyone just run like you have to train 599 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,720 hard. You know, I've never, I don't go 600 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,400 to training fatigue ever. Like literally ever. 601 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,560 I've never been fatigued. There's been 1-2 sessions ever 602 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:06,280 in my life where I was like fuck, like I'm really hurting to 603 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:11,040 like I was hurt because I'm just like it was one last year where 604 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,840 it was like the first VO two session that I did like on the 605 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,200 track that I did since NCI as and it was going into the Cork 606 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:22,360 mile and I did like K500500. I did three sets of that and I 607 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,880 was hurting, man, and it was like and and there it was like 608 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,720 hot and humid everything. But I'm not pussy, so I'm not 609 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,440 like I'm not like thinking about that stuff, but like, dude, I 610 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,720 was hurting. And then there was another 611 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,240 session. We did like 5 by mile on the 612 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,400 turf, me and this kid, Evan Addison, He's he was a sub four 613 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,080 mile at Villanova And and I haven't always always telling 614 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:45,760 this story because this is the one. 615 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,720 This is like the only person who I haven't been able to work out 616 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,800 with. Like the one time where I got 617 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:55,080 dropped and we did 5 by mile at Rep like 2. 618 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,960 I was like, it's like damn, like man, is it is it windy? 619 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:03,960 Like it's pretty windy, right. And he's like, no, and I like 620 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,040 you. I look at the flags. 621 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,120 It's just no wind at all. And he's like, no, no, no wind 622 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,240 might just be tired. And I'm like fucking asshole. 623 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,560 Like so like that. Those are the only two times 624 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,400 I've ever had like sessions where I'm like, damn, this shit 625 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,960 hurts. But yeah, I think we just like, 626 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,440 we kind of hold back a bit. So it's like I couldn't get my 627 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,320 full potential like in college. 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That's Sidious 10 at checkout 671 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,160 when you visit corebodytemp.com. Train in the heat. 672 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,800 Don't overcook it. So then take me through the the 673 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,800 the coaching set up that you just so you're sticking with 674 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,720 Matt as as your coach for now and then also just bringing 675 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,720 looping in your high school coach as well. 676 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,480 Yeah, I like what? Like in an ideal world, like I 677 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,280 want to get more And I as much as I said, like the science like 678 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,400 isn't as important. The number isn't as important. 679 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,159 It is because it's like, you want to know your yo. 680 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,199 I just want to know. I'm not under training, you 681 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:19,280 know, because like dude, like Marcus had been on some shit 682 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,360 where he's like under 1.5 millimoles and I'm like all 683 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,639 right, like I'm, I was like doing that. 684 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:27,440 I just felt flat doing that. I was and I really found like my 685 00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,520 LT1LT2 what it is. And like there were days where 686 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,320 I'd be running like 1/3. That's not even LT1. 687 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,199 So I might as well have just been easy running, you know, 688 00:34:36,199 --> 00:34:38,000 like dude, at the end of an easy run, I've tested myself, I've 689 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,239 been like 1-6 before. So I'm like, I might as well 690 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,000 just go on a fucking jog, like, but so I want to know that I'm 691 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,400 not like, like the science is going to help me not overtrain 692 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,440 and it's going to be able to maximize the amount of work that 693 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,120 I'm doing without overdoing it. So I think that's like really 694 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:55,840 important. So Matt, I want Matt be more 695 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,080 involved in that and like just being able to be like, all 696 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,240 right, like let's, let's try to increase the volume here. 697 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,920 Try like these workouts here. Like, like you want your 698 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,320 mitochondria level to be here. So This is why we're going to be 699 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,720 doing this. I want that from him because I 700 00:35:10,720 --> 00:35:14,040 know he knows the science. And then I need also want 701 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,960 because Rob, like my high school coach, he's I like gave him the 702 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,760 Marius back. He ordered the Marius back and 703 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:24,760 booked to read and and he has like he he's like inspired by 704 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,480 Joe V Hill. He's like the the coach he 705 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,520 would. That's kind of where he takes 706 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,880 his training system from. And a little bit of like 707 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,600 Lydiard, but he's like that, that's his like style of 708 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,120 training. And I wanted to kind of be like 709 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,280 a mix because it's like, yeah, I could train to be super fit. 710 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,880 But like when I need to train to win, like Rob knows how to he's 711 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,840 he knows how to train me to win because he's done it before in 712 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,160 high school off of like literally no volume. 713 00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,560 But it's just like there were certain workouts and certain 714 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,520 like you would take me to the fucking random like trail in 715 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,120 home to help park like that. Like some that's not even 716 00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,560 relevant to the course. Just like a random like plot of 717 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:04,680 land, like with trees around it and be like, all right, when you 718 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,520 turn this corner, you're going to take 3 hard steps and you're 719 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,440 going to throw in a surge and you're going to slow down on 720 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,560 this part and then you're going to surge again and you're going 721 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,520 to do 10 reps of that. And I'm like, all right, yeah. 722 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,560 And I just believe it, you know, like I believe it. 723 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,160 And it's like when I want to be fit, like I know I believe in 724 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,200 Matt, like getting me there and believe that he knows the signs. 725 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:28,480 But like, I can't just do 12 by 600 or or or 8 by K at VO2 and 726 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:33,560 expect to be a world champion, you know, like you got to really 727 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,080 you got you got to excel in some things. 728 00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,360 So yeah, I. Guess like, what do you think it 729 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,080 is about high school coaches that it it's kind of cool to see 730 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,840 just sort of, you know, some top end pros, even some of like 731 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,040 Grant Fisher was like, all right, yeah. 732 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,480 I mean, I was with Jerry for a bunch of years and he's dialed 733 00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,240 into the science and he's like, all right, well, I'm going to go 734 00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:51,840 back to to my high school coach with Scannell is also. 735 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,240 Like a science guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 736 00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:57,360 He's like a scientist, you know? But like, I mean, like people 737 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,520 don't give a high school coaches enough credit, you know? 738 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,360 And like, Rob is probably going to kill me for saying this, but 739 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:10,440 like the CBA coach, the calf, he like, like he, the kids do like 740 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,200 mild, they're not doing extreme miles. 741 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,600 They're running like 50 to 60 miles a week, which like high 742 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,080 schoolers are now running like 7080 miles a week. 743 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,800 So it's like, you know, 50-60 miles a week, like isn't going 744 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,160 to like for them. He's adapted to training. 745 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:25,520 But, and I you people are like, oh, well, Cpas are private 746 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,200 schools. So they have like they recruit 747 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,000 kids. I'm like, but listen, man, if 748 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:34,960 you're having a group of kids from the Jersey Shore like who 749 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,560 just love to party and stuff like, and you're having them 750 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:42,560 like contending for a trophy at NXN, like you're a good coach. 751 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,200 And I believe like that's because that's like culture. 752 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,560 That's like being able to instill team culture and kids 753 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,320 want to go there to run, you know what I mean? 754 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,720 So it's like Mccaff, like like I don't know what he thinks about 755 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:55,320 me. I think I think he loved from 756 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:56,920 the what I've taught. I think he like likes me a bit, 757 00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,160 but like he's just a good coach, you know, and people just don't 758 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,200 give height the American, whoever the fuck the American 759 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,240 Doug Souls or whatever. Like he's a a good coach. 760 00:38:04,240 --> 00:38:09,440 Like people just underestimate high school coaches and we'll 761 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,200 kind of like belittle them because they're like, oh, they 762 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,800 only coach high school. Well, like they're getting kids 763 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,840 to go to fucking colleges that are D1. 764 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:18,400 So like they have to start somewhere. 765 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,720 So clearly they know a bit of what they're talking about. 766 00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:24,120 You know, like, like, I mean, dude, you like what's his name? 767 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,440 Like Cooper Lukenhaus, Like his coach clearly knows his. 768 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:29,120 I'm pretty sure his he was also coached by Steve Scott or 769 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,000 something like. That Steve Scott. 770 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,480 Yeah, that's. The coach in there, so it's like 771 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,040 you have. That connection, but it's like, 772 00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:37,000 like the people, like, dude, if you're in, if you're invested in 773 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,480 the sport, like you're going to be a good coach. 774 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,800 So people who think that high school coaches, like don't know 775 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,120 what they're talking about. Like they know what they're 776 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:44,840 talking about because they care. Like they. 777 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,440 Because when you think about it too, for them, it's like a 778 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,440 hobby. Like coaching is just a hobby. 779 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:50,960 It's not even a job. They're just doing it because 780 00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,760 they want to do it. Like they're teaching. 781 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,600 Yeah, yeah, they're teachers, yeah, yeah. 782 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,840 So. In college you obviously had, 783 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,880 you know, Liam for several years and even into your senior year, 784 00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,680 like you had training partners and teammates. 785 00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:08,600 So now I guess what's your plan to try and build that around 786 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,320 you? I guess you get to, you'll spend 787 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:14,320 some time in in Boston and so there'll be plenty of people to 788 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,000 link up with from time to time. But I guess like the for those 789 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,920 hard days, I mean, how much are you anticipating having to do 790 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,480 totally solo and then other times pulling in people? 791 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:27,000 I like, you never need to do it with people in my head. 792 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,480 You like, because the training I'm doing, it's not like I'm 793 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:32,400 pushing myself to be with other people. 794 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,640 You know, it's like I'm doing my training. 795 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:38,760 It's never like like I'm willing to push myself within the limits 796 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,080 of what I like, what I need to do. 797 00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,560 So I'm not over training. So I, I don't like I, it's not 798 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,720 like I need someone to keep me accountable. 799 00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,560 Like I'm able to just kind of get it done on my own and like I 800 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,200 know how to do this shit on my own to where I'm like, I don't 801 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,640 need training partners. It's fun to have like being able 802 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,240 to do like threshold sessions with Cam like we we did for the 803 00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:58,040 past like 2 weeks. I'm just like, damn, like this 804 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,240 is actually fun because it's like like we're like minded 805 00:40:01,240 --> 00:40:05,560 individuals and we do like similar enough training to where 806 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,040 like we could fit in things together. 807 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,200 And it is nice. Like even my friend Colin 808 00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:13,600 Bowler, he runs for Princeton. He just did my he did my workout 809 00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,400 before pre like a like a week before pre. 810 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,680 I did like AK and then some 4 hundreds. 811 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,920 He didn't lead any, I think he only got like one or two reps 812 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:23,680 of, but he didn't even lead the K. 813 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,760 Like I just love the whole thing, but like just working out 814 00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,080 with him, like it was actually really nice because it's kind of 815 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,400 like it's just cool to have that sometimes. 816 00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,120 But like it's not like I need it or I'm like looking for that. 817 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,600 If I wanted that, I would have went to a group, but I didn't 818 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,080 want that or didn't need it. So it's not, it's just 819 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:40,120 something, if it's there, it's there. 820 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,080 It's like it's like a fucking chocolate bar. 821 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:43,320 If it's there, you're going to eat it, you know? 822 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:48,320 Yeah, yeah, If I, I guess like this this senior year, right, it 823 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,680 feels like for the most part during indoor season, focus on 824 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,840 three K 5K. Come outdoor season, you do go 825 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,520 out and run 332. But then in the championships it 826 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,480 was more all right, we're solely focused on the 5K. 827 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,440 Do you think you'll spend more time, you know, dabbling in the 828 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:07,360 1500 'cause like it, it is showing that all right, you, you 829 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,880 do still have that 1500 untapped speed? 830 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,640 I mean, yeah, like, you know, it's funny. 831 00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,960 Like I, I'm gonna, I'm not apologizing here, but I'm, I'm, 832 00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,720 I'm saying maybe some people weren't wrong when they said I 833 00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:21,560 should have done the 50. I could have, could have done 834 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:26,640 the 15 at NCA as but it's like I was also so invested in the 5K 835 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,800 emotionally and mentally. It's just like I did let I let 836 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,480 my ego got get in the way of my decision making because who 837 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,920 knows, maybe the 1500 was a better option because it wasn't 838 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,240 the strongest field. And like me and Simeon literally 839 00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,160 had both agreed that like the 1500 was not that strong of a 840 00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:46,440 field. So it's like when you think 841 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,520 about it, you're I'm just like, I'm just like, damn. 842 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:52,560 Like I I like solo 332. Like Craig goes LED like he was 843 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,560 supposed to do like until a lap to go. 844 00:41:54,560 --> 00:42:01,760 I think he led like 700 meters. But but I was like, I don't 845 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:05,640 know, I just feel like for some reason my coaches had not wanted 846 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:09,400 me to do the 1500. But it's like, dude, like I 847 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,840 clearly have the speed for it and I have the strength for it, 848 00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,320 you know, like, and, and the reason I want I I was such an 849 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,280 I'm a fucking idiot. Like when I think about it, 850 00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:21,320 because I'm like why in the 5K did I go with 606 hundred to go 851 00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,200 thinking I was going to break 5K runners? 852 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,000 I was going to and I was just sort of like, how much like 853 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,000 that, that felt like an emotional decision more than 854 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:29,880 anything. Because that, that's how 855 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:30,960 everyone was telling me to run it. 856 00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,840 And I'm like fuck, like I shouldn't have ran it like that. 857 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,960 I'm like because I'm like, I'm like, how am I going to break a 858 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,240 5K runner that are like 10K runners? 859 00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:38,920 Like now, like that's that's dumb. 860 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:42,800 Like what? But like in in the 15 bro, like 861 00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,880 it's so easy to break a 15 runner. 862 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,520 Like you just go to the front with 600 and you turn the screws 863 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:49,800 on them and make it fucking hurt. 864 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,600 It's easy bro. Because like 6 let's say you're 865 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:58,560 running a mile, like if you're AKN like that's nothing bro. 866 00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,360 If you're running AK like that's nothing. 867 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,480 And then you just start, you just RIP a 26 second 200 and 868 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:05,840 just keep it going like that. Shit's like easy bro. 869 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,920 Like like the 15, the 15, that shit doesn't hurt. 870 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,440 That shit's just like it's easy that like literally the 1500 is 871 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:14,800 just easy. Like the 5K. 872 00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,000 It's so you're suffering the whole time, bro. 873 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,320 But like like bro, it's easy to break a 15 runner like a pure 15 874 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,720 runner. That's the whole thing. 875 00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:27,520 I think even if we go back the last two years at NCAA's, this 876 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,720 is I think where sometimes my conversations are like Kyle 877 00:43:30,720 --> 00:43:34,040 Murburn and Mack Fleet tend to veer into just sort of like, why 878 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:37,680 are these guys who are fully capable of running 330-2331 879 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,160 leaving this thing to like there's only three people in the 880 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:42,800 field who could run that fast and then because. 881 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,440 People don't want to hurt like people don't want to hurt like 882 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:46,560 and people are too scared to do it. 883 00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,280 Like I would have listen, you don't want to go to the front 884 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:54,120 and run 332, but like you could go to the front 800 to go and 885 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,280 drop A-150 like, you know, but it's like you have to be there 886 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,080 And just like I feel like I was just kind of forced into running 887 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,440 the five Ki was really for. I know I was forced like there, 888 00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,480 there were reasons I'm not going to say, but like I I was just 889 00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,400 Marcus wanted me to do the 5K so badly and I just was pulled. 890 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,360 That's fully what I was in. But I knew I was a great good 891 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,720 1500 runner. Like dude, like I went around 892 00:44:15,720 --> 00:44:18,800 3:32 and just kind of like, all right, fly out to California, 893 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,920 sat out broad and tanned all day and and just and just ripped the 894 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,520 race like that night. But like it just what it never 895 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,200 got. It never felt hard, you know 896 00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,480 what I mean? It's just like it's just easy I 897 00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,760 feel like. If we reflect on your career at 898 00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:37,600 Villanova, what's the one race you would go back and rerun like 899 00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,440 it if you if you if you had it second chance at tactical race 900 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:42,880 execution? What's the one that sticks out 901 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,480 of your memory? As a guy, I would do that all 902 00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,680 over again. Well, NCAA Indoor, I felt I, I 903 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,280 know I would have won that 5K if I was, If I was not, I was like 904 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,520 2 seconds back like with or like not 2 seconds like a second and 905 00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,840 a half back with a lap to go. And I'm like, like I let the two 906 00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:02,360 Africans in front of me and I'm like, why am I doing that? 907 00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:06,520 Like what, what am I doing? And then in the 3K it was like 908 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,160 the same thing. Like I was back and then I tried 909 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:13,280 to get to the front and then like all that fucking protest 910 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,720 shit happened. But like, like those are two 911 00:45:15,720 --> 00:45:17,320 races where I'm like, damn, like I could have won that. 912 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:24,040 And then outdoor, outdoor, I think outdoor was, was weird. 913 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,320 I just feel like I was a bit like Marcus had told me to like 914 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,160 he's like no control, control your your emotion. 915 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,880 Like don't, don't be so emotionally invested. 916 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,800 Just be just relax, like go easy. 917 00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,360 And I'm like, and I was like, all right, I'm going to try that 918 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,200 this outdoor season. And I did that and I fucking 919 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,000 hated it. Like I was miserable. 920 00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:46,240 I'm like, dude, like everything just felt boring. 921 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,560 Everything was I'm like, bro, this, this is just, it was just 922 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:54,960 like, so like racing wasn't fun because there was no emotional 923 00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,520 pressure and I got to the day of the race and I'm just like, 924 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,160 dude, like why is there no emotion? 925 00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,920 And it's like, like when I train like I fucking put myself in the 926 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,960 race every single day all the time. 927 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,280 And Marcus like told me to stop doing that because it just like 928 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,680 it drains me. And I'm like, dude, like like, 929 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,680 and I'm like, you know what, like I took the if I tried it 930 00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:18,960 and that wasn't for me. So anyone who says, oh, he's too 931 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,120 emotionally invested, he's going to burn out, fuck you. 932 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,280 Because that shit's the opposite. 933 00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,560 Like, like the, and I think, I think burnout, I think that's 934 00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:26,200 just mental. I don't think that that's like 935 00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,160 that's mentally, that's mentally letting go of yourself, like 936 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,440 your body, unless you're overtraining like a 937 00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,800 motherfucker, like for the majority of people, bro, it's 938 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,880 like you're, you're like your body doesn't just automatically 939 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,000 say I'm going to stop recovering like, or I'm I'm going to, I'm 940 00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:48,400 going to like make, but I'm I'm going to be tired. 941 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,800 Like your body doesn't do that. Like it's just you being 942 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,680 mentally like like like fucking take some ashwagandha or some 943 00:46:53,680 --> 00:46:57,000 shit like like take something bro, like like it's to get your 944 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,160 head clear. Like just send it. 945 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,680 I don't know, people, people just care way too much about 946 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,320 that emotional shit. I, I, I like, I don't like 947 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,080 control my, but I just like, like how I am, is how I am, you 948 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:12,160 know, like, it's just like I, I need to be emotionally fired up 949 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:13,720 all the time. I need to be fully invested, 950 00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:16,240 like aggressive, like that's just how, that's how I approach 951 00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:19,080 the sport is being as aggressive and as nervous as possible. 952 00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,640 And it makes, and that makes me excel because it's like you got 953 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,600 to be in like a primitive state when you're, when you're 954 00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:27,400 running, because that's, that's how you're going to get the most 955 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:28,560 out of yours. For me, that's how I'm going to 956 00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,240 get the most out of myself. And it's like I tried not doing 957 00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:32,480 that and I just, I fucking hated it. 958 00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:36,800 It was boring. Out with the old and in with the 959 00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,040 new. 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And for more ad reads like this, 981 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,360 use Gabby 100 in the Sidious Mag comment section. 982 00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:09,440 Happy running. So if that's where you and 983 00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,560 Marcus butted heads, what's the best thing you took away from 984 00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:15,560 time with Marcus at Villanova? Best thing. 985 00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:19,080 Well, I mean, he grew up like pretty similar like situation, 986 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:21,080 you know, like I didn't grow up with a lot of money. 987 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,200 I mean, he fucking grew up in poverty though, like crazy 988 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:28,160 poverty like so I mean, I mean, he'll tell you like it just is 989 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:29,760 his. But his whole thing was like, I 990 00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,960 want to, I want to be successful at something. 991 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,600 And like that was my thing is I don't care what it is. 992 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:39,560 I just want to be successful at something and I want to, I 993 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,160 really want to make it just in something in life, you know, I 994 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,880 don't want to be like in jail or drunk or a bomb like I want to, 995 00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:50,720 I really want to be successful. And I mean shit like he was. 996 00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:53,280 So I mean, he's a three time world champion and he was a 997 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,880 world record holder. So it's like you got that man, 998 00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,640 like telling me kind of guiding you, you, you will listen to 999 00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,160 him. But then you also got to realize 1000 00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,880 some people are just different. Like after seasons, he would be 1001 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,680 burnt out. I don't burn out. 1002 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,640 I never burn out. I've never burned out. 1003 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,080 I've, I swear in my life I've never burned out. 1004 00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,240 It's just I don't, I don't believe in that. 1005 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,480 What's the one race in a Villanova uniform that I I feel 1006 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,560 like the answer's got to be pen this year, right? 1007 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:22,640 Like the that you would that feeling crossing the finish line 1008 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,040 you'd want to relive many times. Is it? 1009 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,040 Is it pen? Really. 1010 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:27,880 No, I wouldn't. No, no. 1011 00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:31,520 OK, What is that? Because that was not that was 1012 00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,840 not a happy, that was not happy emotions. 1013 00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:37,440 That was just full relief. That was relief. 1014 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:42,600 That was all relief. If I, if I, if I didn't win pen 1015 00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:47,200 relays, if, if my team did not win pen relays that day, if they 1016 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:52,720 put me in the position to win and we did not win, I would, I, 1017 00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:56,000 I, I would have a very hard time. 1018 00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,800 I would have had a very hard time with with the rest of my 1019 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,120 career genuinely, because that emotionally, emotionally like 1020 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,440 Penn Relays is, it's more than just you. 1021 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:12,960 It's alumni. It's it's, it's a school, it's 1022 00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:18,280 Philadelphia, it's the Northeast, it's New Jersey 1023 00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:19,920 people. Because like every track and 1024 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,600 field kid in New Jersey run some sort of race at Penn Relays once 1025 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,840 in their live. If I did not win that, it would 1026 00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,920 have been very hard for me. So the stress going into that 1027 00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,280 one, you're just like, I won't want to put myself through that 1028 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,680 ever again. I mean, I'm, I'm fine dealing 1029 00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:39,000 with stress, but it's like like, but like, I just would not like 1030 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,440 it. It wasn't a pleasant feeling. 1031 00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:42,760 No, like, but leading up to that race was the worst feel. 1032 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,080 Losing that race was the worst feeling I've ever had in my 1033 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,640 life. Like genuinely like like 1034 00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,680 genuinely, that was the worst feeling because it's like it's 1035 00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:54,360 so many people had to depended on you to win, you know, like I 1036 00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,240 we all believe that was the best anchor like in the country. 1037 00:51:57,720 --> 00:52:02,760 And I fucked up. And if I did that the second 1038 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,320 day, it would be a it would be very miserable. 1039 00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,040 It would be, I would be, I would just be miserable. 1040 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,040 And I want to like, I want to be a pussy and like and blame other 1041 00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,760 people or leave my misery out on other people and make it known. 1042 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,840 But like you internally, it would eat me up. 1043 00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,480 It would eat me alive. So what's the race then? 1044 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,600 That that you're like, all right, I want to capture that 1045 00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,920 feeling again. None of them because I haven't 1046 00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,200 had a feeling of like, I've never had a feeling of like 1047 00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:27,840 satisfaction. You never are. 1048 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:30,320 But it's like I'm going to continue to believe that there 1049 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,400 is going to, I actually do think there will be a time where there 1050 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,960 is satisfaction in a race. But we were actually me, Cam and 1051 00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,640 Dave, we were having this conversation the other day 1052 00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:40,520 saying like, no matter what you do, you're never going to have 1053 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,120 that satisfaction. It doesn't matter. 1054 00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,640 You can be an Olympic champion, world champion, multiple time 1055 00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:47,160 Olympic champion. You will never have that 1056 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,080 satisfaction. It's always like, what's the 1057 00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:52,640 next thing? So I just haven't had a feeling 1058 00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:56,320 of where I, I, I feel like a need to relive it, you know what 1059 00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:57,360 I mean? Yeah. 1060 00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,560 All right. So if we touch on, I guess like 1061 00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:02,480 the upcoming racing schedule, like what do you want to get out 1062 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:04,520 of this European circuit tour that you're on? 1063 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:09,560 Just run. Just run fast, win races, get 1064 00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,600 prize money. Those are those are some big 1065 00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:15,160 things, you know, So, yeah. You've never really been one for 1066 00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,760 like, all right, I'm going to go after this record or whatever it 1067 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,600 is because it's like, that's where so many people have 1068 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:23,800 gravitated towards. It's this focus on records, 1069 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:26,680 records, records. And you're one of the few 1070 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:30,520 athletes, I think who's wired right in terms of just like, no, 1071 00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,480 like the win is more important and competing is is more 1072 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,080 important. Yeah, competing is the most 1073 00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:36,560 important thing, you know, some people. 1074 00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,360 But like my training, my training was to run fast and be 1075 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:42,400 fit. My training was I was never 1076 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,200 living for the metal. Like mentally and emotionally I 1077 00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,560 was. But mental, mentally and 1078 00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:49,920 emotionally, it could only go so far. 1079 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:55,520 Like, you know what I mean? So it's like I, I just have to 1080 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:57,560 be able to train to win, which I had never done before. 1081 00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,400 So it's something I I definitely have to do. 1082 00:53:59,920 --> 00:54:02,560 One, love the fact that you're, you're, you're doing that 'cause 1083 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,480 I think like for the years post pandemic, there weren't enough 1084 00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,240 like college kids going out and experiencing the Europe track 1085 00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,640 circuit out there. And it's really, really cool 1086 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,240 just kind of living out of a suitcase for a month and bopping 1087 00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:19,440 around from small, like European country to just race a a bunch. 1088 00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:22,480 So like, what are you looking forward to off the track for the 1089 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,640 most part? And just sort of exploring 1090 00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,880 Germany. I'm sure you'll touch Belgium at 1091 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,840 some point. Oh, Germany, yeah, Germany. 1092 00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:30,920 Germany is unbelievable. I love this little area. 1093 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:33,680 It's it's actually so sick. Like I didn't know what I was 1094 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,000 getting myself into but J TS like oh mate. 1095 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,880 Oh yeah, it's a great area. And I'm like, alright, cool. 1096 00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,440 And and I went here and honestly, I love it. 1097 00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:44,840 Running is great. When I got the run with Dieter 1098 00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,160 Bauman, me and Cam the other day and I'm just like, damn, like 1099 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,160 this is just tough. We went to the pool yesterday. 1100 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,160 We sat outside like all morning, just had like fucking espresso, 1101 00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:57,280 like Euromaxing and just fun, you know, like like we went to 1102 00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:00,000 the market, got salmon the other day to like cook and we just 1103 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,400 cook it this morning and it's just like little shit like that. 1104 00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,720 Those are the moments you remember, you know, it's like 1105 00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:08,080 this kind of the shit in between, the conversations in 1106 00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:11,480 between and I mean, just sitting outside in the sun all day is 1107 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,760 like, I, I love doing that. It's like, it's like I'm a 1108 00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,280 fucking solar panel, you know, just absorbing that shit. 1109 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:20,800 But yeah, I, I, I love it. You know, I'm going to Italy 1110 00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,520 after I raced in Houston on the 18th. 1111 00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,720 I'm going to Italy for like a week or something like that, 1112 00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:31,040 maybe 10 days before I race in Ottagon on the 1st. 1113 00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:33,680 It's a fast track and then like I'm my girlfriend, she's going 1114 00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,200 to meet me in Italy too. So it'll be like Emer saying at 1115 00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:40,280 the Diadora headquarters again. So it'll it'll just be cool like 1116 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,640 like I mean she, she's with New Balance so. 1117 00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:46,520 So I don't know if we'll treat her too kindly when she's there, 1118 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,800 but but like just being able to like, and my high school coach, 1119 00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,080 he's coming out as well. So it's like being able to do 1120 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,280 that. I'm just like, it's so cool, you 1121 00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:55,800 know? I mean, I never got to really, I 1122 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,880 never got to travel as a kid. You know, we like, we didn't 1123 00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:58,960 have money for anything like that. 1124 00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,760 So being able to like do that on my own and like off my own dime 1125 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,360 and all that, it's great. Like it's the fuck. 1126 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:09,640 It's the coolest thing. As a food guy, like what are you 1127 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,320 hoping to to try while you're out there? 1128 00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,560 Literally anything just like I I'm not going to eat. 1129 00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:16,560 I'm. Like, while I'm out here, I'm 1130 00:56:16,560 --> 00:56:17,960 not going to be eating at a chain. 1131 00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:20,360 I'm not going to be eating at some like, shit like that. 1132 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,000 Like, like all that slop and all that shit. 1133 00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:27,120 Like I'm going to be eating at like, at like, just like local 1134 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:28,080 spots. Exactly. 1135 00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,920 You know, just like small spots and just like, and just like, I 1136 00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,360 don't know, it's cool. Just like, I just want to be 1137 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,120 able to do things like that, you know, just like, just eat good 1138 00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,680 food, chill out. Like literally just be a pro 1139 00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:41,040 runner. You know, that's really all 1140 00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,000 everyone does. So. 1141 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,680 Yeah. Well, Marco, I appreciate you 1142 00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,520 taking the time to chat about, you know, the pro signing, 1143 00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:53,120 reflecting on your senior year and wishing you all the best in 1144 00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:54,880 these upcoming. Races, Yeah. 1145 00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,360 Thank you, Chris. I appreciate it. 1146 00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:00,440 All right, that's a wrap on today's episode. 1147 00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,440 Thanks for listening, for the time, the curiosity, and for 1148 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,160 making this show part of your routine or your run. 1149 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:09,520 A big thanks to our producer Jasmine Fair and to everyone 1150 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,080 behind the scenes who helps make the Sidious Magic Podcast 1151 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,000 happen. 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What do you think is currently 1161 00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:47,640 broken in the track and field contract model that Bandit is 1162 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:52,520 trying to in a way come in as not the full fix, but a 1163 00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:55,160 temporary fix to, you know, hopefully improving things. 1164 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:59,080 Yeah, I think the top end of the sport is always the side of the 1165 00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,640 sport that gets taken care of, which is really, really cool and 1166 00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,840 it makes sense for what it's worth as well. 1167 00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,280 Brands are looking for value out of athletes and that means 1168 00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,080 something different to every single brand, but often times it 1169 00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,360 means competing from metal, always making teams, running 1170 00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,680 world records, whatever it might look like, and those athletes 1171 00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,720 get taken care of really, really well. 1172 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,200 And then in the US as well, we have the NCAA system. 1173 00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,400 There's obviously a lot of conversation around that and NIL 1174 00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,400 and that entire system right now, but it is an amazing 1175 00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:32,840 development pipeline. Running is a tough sport though. 1176 00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:36,520 You get injured, you end up in the injury cycle for 12 months, 1177 00:58:36,520 --> 00:58:38,800 18 months, and then all of a sudden you're not performing at 1178 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,120 the highest level. And there's so many people who 1179 00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,240 leave that development system not having fulfilled their full 1180 00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:46,880 potential and fall through the cracks. 1181 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,000 The same way that there are athletes that get that first 1182 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:53,440 professional contract and maybe go through a similar issue. 1183 00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:57,680 Maybe a coaching fit or a system fit doesn't work for them and 1184 00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,440 they just go through a rough patch of performance and then 1185 00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,520 all of a sudden they get released from that contract and 1186 00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,120 it is tough for these athletes. You're going out of your own 1187 00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,400 pocket, out of your own savings to compete. 1188 00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,280 It's not the cheapest sport being able to fly around the 1189 00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,200 world trying to find track meets and trying to run your best. 1190 00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:18,200 And it really is like a performance inhibitor as well if 1191 00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,280 you're out there trying to make a living off of it. 1192 00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:23,240 It applies a lot of pressure that maybe some of the athletes 1193 00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:24,920 at the top end. There's a ton of pressure no 1194 00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,360 matter who you are in the sport, but if you've got the financial 1195 00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,400 system in place where you're not risking your livelihood every 1196 00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,920 time you step on the track, I believe that that unlocks 1197 00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:37,320 performance. So us being able to support a 1198 00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:39,960 lot of those individuals that would historically fall through 1199 00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:42,280 the system and fall through the cracks and really keep them in 1200 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,480 the sport and give them a chance to bet on themselves and and 1201 00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:49,080 pursue track at the highest level it it's exactly what we 1202 00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,560 want to do. And trying to focus on those up 1203 00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:55,000 and comers or or underdog stories, if you will, is 1204 00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,920 important for Bandit because we think if we raise the floor 1205 00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:01,200 within the sport, every level of it, we'll benefit from that. 1206 01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:04,760 As part of our partnership with Bandit, we will be highlighting 1207 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:08,360 some of the athletes partaking in the Unsponsored project with 1208 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:11,480 some features on citiusmag.com. You can also read some of them 1209 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,360 in the Lab Count newsletter. Watch out for those black hits 1210 01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,240 in New York City in just a couple weeks.