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We've made it the runner's soda. 39 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:12,960 All right, it is Monday, March 16th. 40 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,520 We're talking this week in track and field. 41 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,600 Lots happened over the weekend. We had a 19 year old freshman 42 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,640 from BYU just walked into the NCAA Championships, dismantled 43 00:02:23,640 --> 00:02:27,120 the field and not just one event but 2 events, Triple Crown 44 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:29,840 complete for half and Samuel. Then you also have a DQ 45 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,240 controversy that went along with it that had coaches filing 46 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:38,120 protests and athletes biting their tongues on that 47 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,200 performance in the 3K. The following day there were a 48 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,480 bunch of Sprint performances that were totally rewriting the 49 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,920 record books. And then we will also hit the 50 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:52,320 roads as we had a 28 year old Ethiopian woman who showed up to 51 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:56,280 her first ever marathon and said, sure, I'll run the second 52 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:00,320 fastest time ever in history. So unpack that. 53 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:03,880 And then New York City threw the biggest half marathon, topping 54 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:08,280 their own, sort of their own, like a not attendance records, 55 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:12,360 but participation records, 30,000 people on the streets of 56 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:14,800 New York. Lots of eyes on Grant Fisher's 57 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:18,640 debut, which, depending on who you ask, was either a reasonable 58 00:03:18,640 --> 00:03:21,960 first step into a foray into the roads or some people are just 59 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:27,360 calling it an utter disaster. So lots going on, plus doping 60 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,080 news 'cause this is track and field. 61 00:03:29,640 --> 00:03:32,280 Before we get into it. Kyle, Busy weekend. 62 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:37,560 You were at NYC Half and then doing some interviews with some 63 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,760 champions that we partnered with New York Rd. runners on. 64 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,600 So those I think are published on the Set the Pace podcast. 65 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,040 But it was pretty tough to keep up with everything going on this 66 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:49,560 weekend. Yeah, wouldn't want to have a 67 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,280 life outside of running on a weekend like this. 68 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,560 I mean, I don't know how you did it in Boston for New Balance 69 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:59,840 Nationals. Well, I mean did you just have 70 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:05,080 NCI Blazana and and like the the Sidious Mag suite up top? 71 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,080 Yeah. So this is always one of the 72 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,200 busiest weekends. Like if you go on the CDs Mag 73 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,960 Instagram account and try and count the post starting on 74 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,680 Thursday, which is when New Balance National started. 75 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,480 This is, it's unprecedented because then you, you know, you 76 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:23,800 coupled that with NCAA's and I think it was like 2 years ago, 77 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:27,920 we were like, we need a separate NCAS account to throw some extra 78 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,280 content on there. And so, you know, that's why 79 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,960 there's a CDs Mag U channel. But even all throughout the 80 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:39,400 weekend, you know, we bring out a creative team from Ohio, the 81 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,400 together guys, and they absolutely crush it. 82 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,840 This was year five of us partnering with New Balance 83 00:04:44,840 --> 00:04:50,040 around New Balance nationals and they allow us to just get 84 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,920 creative in bringing the hype around this meet. 85 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:57,080 And over the last couple years, we've been spoiled by having 86 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,600 Quincy Wilson be. Easy numbers, easy numbers. 87 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,200 But in fact, this past weekend, the highest performing piece of 88 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:09,480 content, which is really funny, is not Quincy Wilson related. 89 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:13,640 It's and also not shot necessarily on a super nice 90 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:15,360 camera by like the Together guys. 91 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,240 It was iPhone footage of the race finish of the girls two 92 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,800 mile where Katie Zhang, a high school star out of Ohio 93 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:29,240 committed to Indiana, breaks Mary Kane's national record in I 94 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,560 believe it was 937 something ridiculous. 95 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:38,520 And she went it it it went viral because of the performance, but 96 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,240 then also just her genuine shock as she crossed the finish line 97 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,240 and then getting to celebrate with Parker Valby. 98 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:50,280 And so again, one of the coolest parts of working at New Balance 99 00:05:50,280 --> 00:05:54,600 Nationals is that we get to bridge kind of the high school 100 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,400 and the professional scene. Newbounds brings out the likes 101 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,240 of Parker and Vernon Norwood. In the past it's been Emma 102 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,520 Coburn, Corey McGee, Gabby Thomas, Sydney McLaughlin, 103 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,840 Liveroni and so. That's always fun. 104 00:06:07,840 --> 00:06:12,640 But selfishly, from a city, a standpoint, we're also getting 105 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,840 in on the ground floor with the stars of tomorrow. 106 00:06:15,840 --> 00:06:17,880 Like I can think back to a couple of years ago. 107 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,880 It's like Rosheen Willis and Juliet Whitaker, 2 NCAA 108 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,800 champions are sitting with us and Gary Martin. 109 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:27,680 And yeah, so I mean, that's that's a blast. 110 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:30,800 And so always a ton of fun at at New Balance Nationals. 111 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:35,000 And we're gonna have to really brainstorm how we're gonna try 112 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,720 and top our numbers. Without Quincy indoors next 113 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,440 year. Yeah, I feel like we finally saw 114 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,440 a sub 4 minute mile. I feel like that's every year 115 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:45,120 they're chasing it, they knock it out. 116 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:47,600 My favorite thing though, from afar, because I was watching 117 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,320 from home, is every race finisher kept finishing in lane 118 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:55,120 4. They all pulled out and you 119 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:56,800 know, they got to break the tape. 120 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,400 I think generally if you're winning, you're probably lapping 121 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:00,840 people. So they probably move the tape 122 00:07:00,840 --> 00:07:06,200 out a little bit and but I kept being like guys like just go 123 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:10,600 lane 2, don't go so far. But you know, plenty of good 124 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,360 shot to the finish line celebrations. 125 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,280 It seemed like a good one. Seemed like we had some good 126 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,800 upcoming stars. That Quincy 400 though, I mean 127 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,880 that'll work for that 4th title that was not handed to him by 128 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,280 any means. Yeah, And I guess like, major 129 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:29,200 kudos to Jaden De Leon, who has had just a very, very, very good 130 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,840 progression. He's headed off to LSU next 131 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,320 year. And in a way, when you talk to 132 00:07:35,320 --> 00:07:38,040 any of these athletes, especially someone like Quincy, 133 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:42,200 like you, I ask him every single time, like, how nervous are you 134 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:43,360 for this? Like, the dude's been to the 135 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:44,800 Olympics, right? And you'd think like, oh, this 136 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,680 is just going to be a breeze, Like, you'll just beat everyone 137 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:49,760 in the field. But no, like you, he's raised 138 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,240 the bar. He's got a target on his back. 139 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,680 Everyone knows he's going for A4 peat, and that's so much 140 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,480 pressure. And he finds a way to rise to 141 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:03,440 the occasion each time out that summer in 2024, it just felt 142 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,320 like it was every single day in Eugene that the magic was, you 143 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:11,280 know, compiling upon itself with with Quincy making the relay 144 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,600 pool. And so, yeah, that's just how 145 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,520 special this meat is to to that demo. 146 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:22,560 And yeah, I mean, so we we get one more New Balance Nationals 147 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,320 with with Quincy. And he's super, he's a, he's a 148 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,800 serious man stand. Like he calls it out in, in, in 149 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,720 every single time we sit down. He's like, you guys are the 150 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:34,280 first ones to to interview me. And so in a way, we got to help 151 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,960 introduce him to the world before he blew up in 2024. 152 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,440 And he's a he's a loyal Sidious guy. 153 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,120 All right, then call your shot right now, Chris. 154 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,200 Let's see your eye for talent out of this weekend. 155 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:50,480 Who's the the big future star Olympic podium that maybe the 156 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,560 world isn't currently familiar? With Paige Shepherd from Union 157 00:08:54,560 --> 00:08:58,080 Catholic. People know Paige Shepherd, but 158 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,680 all right, that's fair. It's a safe She's a junior. 159 00:09:00,680 --> 00:09:04,200 It's not too hot of a take, but yeah, that it's a good one. 160 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:07,720 There's just every time we've sat down to do an interview with 161 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:13,600 her, like there's just so much she's so composed and same high 162 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:18,040 school as Sydney McLaughlin and like there's just traces of that 163 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,440 personality also that kind of page gives off. 164 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:26,480 And so whether it's the 800 which you ran really, really 165 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:32,320 well at USA indoors or the mile, she's done some cross country 166 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:36,120 reunion Catholic as well. So I'll be interested to see 167 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:38,000 where she chooses to go next year. 168 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,240 My gut feeling is it like. Kentucky. 169 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:45,600 Like a Stanford, a Stanford is probably upper alley. 170 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:49,520 And so that's hey, the the proof is in the pudding when it comes 171 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,280 to 800 success out of Stanford in the last couple years. 172 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:55,960 So would be a pretty, pretty, pretty good decision. 173 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,360 Sorry. Good hot take. 174 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:02,640 You're you're taking one of the most, I guess, accomplished high 175 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,600 school runners and you're predicting that they're also 176 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,360 going to be very good when they're older, very bold it. 177 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,560 Was has just sort of been in like I always enjoyed going in 178 00:10:10,560 --> 00:10:12,920 these meets with you and Mac because then like you guys are 179 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,760 also you guys read vibes. When it comes to. 180 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:20,400 The milers it the last couple years. 181 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,080 It's funny because these kids will come into the city of Smack 182 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:28,360 Suite to just hang out and watch the races, totally unaware that, 183 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,680 you know, you and Mac ran professionally. 184 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,840 And the the fact when they're spitting out like who's 185 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,680 recruiting them at what school? These were your contemporaries 186 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:44,920 or your coaches. And it's funny because you guys 187 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,840 are trying to think of like, oh, is that going to be a good match 188 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,560 for that athlete? And so even though it hasn't 189 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:53,520 necessarily been, oh, it's not the kid who has broken 4. 190 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:57,960 Maybe it's the Clay Shively who ran 4 flat for the longest time. 191 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,280 Mack is like, no, he's going to be the best one of clay got 192 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,000 under, I believe, right? Finally got under. 193 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,880 Finally got here a couple weeks ago, actually. 194 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:08,040 Yeah. And the fun part is we get to 195 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:11,000 track that kind of stuff like we're invested in in that 196 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:15,880 journey. So yeah, well, lots of former 197 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,960 new bounce national champions competing this weekend out in 198 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:23,720 Arkansas. Let's dive into some of the NCA 199 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:28,360 action that took place. We'll start basically with the 200 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:33,800 men's 5K on Friday because I think it was one of the most 201 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,800 anticipated events of the entire weekend, given the fact that 202 00:11:36,800 --> 00:11:40,240 Marco Langan has put March on everyone's calendars. 203 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:46,400 And I got to give it to him. He went for it and he gave it a 204 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,120 really, really good fight. Just didn't have that final 205 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:55,720 little bit of closing speed necessary to catch what was it. 206 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,840 This is in the the 5K. In the 5K it was. 207 00:11:59,960 --> 00:12:01,520 Haptam, Samuel It. Was Haptam? 208 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,560 Yeah. So Haptam ends up winning 1336. 209 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:07,560 These guys were jogging at the very beginning. 210 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:13,000 But yeah, Marco was, yeah, he, he put his money where his mouth 211 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:15,520 was. Yeah, I mean, I'll say this 212 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:20,160 about the race. I for putting so much pressure 213 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,480 on himself, which it seems like he can handle it fine, but you 214 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,920 know, everyone's watching and seeing what he's going to do. 215 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:31,040 It's so tempting to just want to take the lead and push the pace 216 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,240 at some points, but he had a lot of patience sitting back off it 217 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:36,720 for a while. And I would say he actually, if 218 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:38,640 anything, probably sat back too long. 219 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:41,000 And he had he had a number of guys to get around. 220 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,960 He had, I believe, the fastest final 200 at 26 five. 221 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,760 But Haptam was at the front. And it's it's not about the 222 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:50,560 fastest split. It's about to close the hardest. 223 00:12:50,560 --> 00:12:57,320 And look, I'm Samuel this the one thing I thought in my head 224 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,840 was if he was really training for 1/2 marathon not that long 225 00:13:01,840 --> 00:13:05,600 ago. He's a distance guy, especially 226 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:09,600 once the race goes out slow, it's like all right, like Marco 227 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:15,320 closed hard and I believe both of his race at conference And I 228 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,600 just don't know if you put up a decent 1500 guy against 1/2 229 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:21,040 marathoner, who's going to take it? 230 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:23,520 And strength prevailed. I mean, Hampton looked great 231 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,840 when he saved the gear. He controlled it and the latter 232 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,560 parts of the race when it really counts. 233 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:34,560 And I said beforehand I was like, I kind of want Marco to 234 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:37,160 lose the first one and win the second so we can see both 235 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:41,440 versions of the interviews. And so, you know, I was like, 236 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,200 this is said the perfect, we're going to see what the the losing 237 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:45,960 interview is like with the winning ones, right? 238 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:49,600 But happens really good. He's really good. 239 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:51,160 He's really. Good. 240 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,840 And it kind of also after this weekend, not just the results at 241 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:59,560 NCAA is but does make in a way the Houston performance even 242 00:13:59,560 --> 00:14:03,000 more impressive given the fact that like how fast he ran to win 243 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:06,520 against a field of pros. Then you've got an all time 244 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,880 talent like Grant Fisher struggling in his first time out 245 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:11,880 at it. Yes, I guess like New York and 246 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,600 Houston, 2 very different courses, although arguably last 247 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,520 year people ran faster in New York than they did in Houston. 248 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:25,680 But I, I just was also just how's this experiment going to 249 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:31,120 go for Hampton taking such a aerobic and like strength based 250 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,520 approach to the track? And it worked wonders. 251 00:14:34,520 --> 00:14:37,440 And kind of like it was an afterthought I was having. 252 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,480 I was like, oh, man, like if if Grant struggled, like what's 253 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:47,000 Haptam got in in like for for the track season up ahead, Then 254 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:51,400 I also saw the clip of Haptam running 10 miles with Josh Kerr. 255 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:53,320 I think that was training. Last year, yeah. 256 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,720 In August, yeah. Yeah, that wasn't recent. 257 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,160 OK. Well, yeah, I mean. 258 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:02,480 You're like, can Josh run 59? Yeah, yeah. 259 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:05,320 Well, the thing that I was thinking about it is like, OK, 260 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:10,480 so November he's winning NCAA's, December he's qualifying for 261 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,240 NCAA's, so he's run thirteen O 5. 262 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:19,200 Then you come out and January runs 59 O1 February he's, you 263 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:23,840 know, running at Melrose and 811 two mile and then he's, you 264 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:27,520 know, doing the whole conference and here he goes showing up and 265 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,160 said it remind me of Ethan Strand. 266 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:33,360 Last year was like, when do you take a down week every single 267 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,760 month? He's putting up some sort of 268 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,080 remarkable performance and. I'll tell you what it sounds 269 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:41,520 like from all of that, that he was probably training through 270 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,160 Milrose. Pretty good 811, not bad. 271 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:51,800 But yeah, it just seems like, you know, it's always a shame 272 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,840 and the Bowerman not really taking into account the cross 273 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,960 country season because, you know, now he's got ansembly 274 00:15:59,960 --> 00:16:03,040 titles from both the indoor season and cross country season, 275 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,840 which it's hard to. Do and outdoor last year like I 276 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:08,880 didn't, I don't necessarily see anyone beating him in the 10K, 277 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:12,080 especially now that what's his name Ishmael Kipkurui is gone. 278 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,920 And and so he's the heavy favorite in the 10K, which is 279 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:19,320 partly part of the reason why I think Marco has already put out 280 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:23,320 June like and now he's marketing June as the showdown, but 281 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:27,280 that'll probably just be in the 5K to try and redeem himself. 282 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:31,200 I'm here for it and it. Was a great race. 283 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:33,120 It was it was a really good race. 284 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,720 And other kudos I want to give from this one because he did it 285 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:39,200 in both I think the 3K and the 5K. 286 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:44,160 It's Taven Kitchen, the BYU true freshman, unafraid to just go 287 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,600 and run from the front. And yeah, I mean, he's he's run 288 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:52,160 faster than this in the past, but he's he's going to be very, 289 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,680 very, very good. Shocker, right? 290 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:59,320 Like the BYU guy is going to develop to be a really, really 291 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:03,920 good 5K10K guy. All right, so let's couple that 292 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:10,040 then with the 3K and we'll do the same over for the women's 293 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:11,880 side. This one's a bit more 294 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:15,680 controversial because with heading into the final lap you 295 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,520 had Colin Solomon and have them Samuel going 12. 296 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:23,920 Marco Langan surges to try and pass Haptam and this triggered 297 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:29,000 like a whole series of events. Haptam uses right arm to fend 298 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:33,880 off Marco and his left arm hits Colin Solomon briefly throwing 299 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:38,040 Colin off of his stride. Haptam crosses the finish line 300 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:40,800 first. Then a protest was filed, 301 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:43,840 presumably from NAU. It was successful. 302 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:48,840 Haptam gets disqualified in Colin Solomon is elevated to the 303 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:52,600 3K champion. Colin, I think afterwards was 304 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,280 telling people that he felt that he executed perfectly and the 305 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,600 contact did cost him a clean win. 306 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,280 Haptam called it just championship racing and he kind 307 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:03,840 of, I saw it on his Instagram story. 308 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:06,360 He truly felt that he was, you know, the champion. 309 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:13,880 And then you have Marco Langan who accepted defeat and then 310 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:20,040 when asked by let's run if he was gonna protest, he basically 311 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,760 pushed back and said like, what's like, why are you so 312 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,200 concerned about a protest, bro? I think it's the quote that he 313 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:28,560 said to John Galt. And then when he's like, well, 314 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:33,280 let's the NCA championships. And then I think Marco just said 315 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,040 that regardless if he he he's not the type of guy who would 316 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:38,000 want to win a title on a protest. 317 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,800 Like in his head, he just needed to be the first guy across the 318 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:42,360 finish line and that didn't happen. 319 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:46,840 And so it if he would have just been handed the trophy after a 320 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,280 couple DQS, it wouldn't have hit the same way. 321 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,960 And so he accepted it. But also partly because you if 322 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,160 you choose to brought this, you might get yourself disqualified. 323 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:58,600 Yeah, I just don't know where I land with this one, if I'm being 324 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,080 honest. Like a part of me is just like, 325 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,200 that's indoor track. It's a tactical race. 326 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:05,840 There's a lot of guys there. Bows are being thrown, holes are 327 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:11,640 trying to be squeezed through. And like, I don't, I didn't see 328 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,440 like the slow motion video that they maybe had and we were able 329 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,480 to zoom in. You know, we live in a 330 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:23,600 surveillance state. But it overall in the sport, I 331 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,840 do think we can afford to throw a little bit more weight around. 332 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:31,400 That's my that my hot take for the overall state of the sport 333 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,720 is we can make we can afford to make it a little bit more 334 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:35,240 physical. I'd be OK with that. 335 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:44,000 I don't know if I where I draw the line doesn't ultimately win 336 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,640 and it was a crap sheet like it was. 337 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,560 It came down to the lean. We should have saw the the 338 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:56,160 handout Jamaican lean as Aisha and Eric have referred to it as. 339 00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:00,440 But I just walk away from this one wishing we could just get a 340 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,800 rematch. It just it left something to be 341 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:03,480 desired. Hey. 342 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:08,320 I don't want to wait till June for all these talented athletes 343 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,560 to go up against one another. If we kind of think through it 344 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,360 come outdoor season. Like Colin Solomon probably 345 00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:20,200 leans more 8:15 at NC as I haven't looked at his schedule. 346 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,400 But yeah, I mean, I don't think he's going up to the five Ki 347 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:27,920 mean at this point, regardless of how it was done. 348 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:34,000 He's the NCAA champ and for a guy to set the 800 meter 349 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:38,840 national like and so by record the same season as winning a 3K 350 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,080 national title and the DMR, let's not forget about that. 351 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:47,320 What a like unbeliev. I mean, is he a Bowerman 352 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:49,160 contender now? We're voters. 353 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,160 We vote. Yeah, we are voters. 354 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,920 I've been looking at the watch list over the last couple weeks. 355 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,960 It's also like, I don't know, for here's the problem with the 356 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:02,880 distance athletes and the Bowerman is that they're 357 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,880 cannibalizing upon one another like it's not. 358 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,120 Colin Colin's just going to win everything, it seems. 359 00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:09,920 I mean. He's got 2 now, I guess like, 360 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,080 yeah, come outdoor season, but like, Haftam can probably try 361 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:16,360 and make a case for it. Whereas, I don't know, Paul was 362 00:21:16,360 --> 00:21:19,200 bringing this up that he believes this could be the year 363 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:21,400 field, like a thrower ends up winning. 364 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,400 I'm not as attuned, of course, to the NCAA throws scene, but 365 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,160 that's the hardest. Jane, who we'll get to in a 366 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,240 second, is definitely building her case. 367 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,640 Yeah. And the men's distance events, 368 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:39,320 it's just hard because like, yeah, I mean, Collins, like a 369 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:43,800 two titles can be matched by Haptim's two. 370 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:45,240 I guess you don't count cross country. 371 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,480 Yeah, that's the problem. So, yeah. 372 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:54,040 So it's, if we zoom out big picture, another NAU star 373 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,200 winning in the 3K. The legacy continues. 374 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,320 This is, you know, Abdi Hamid Nur took this title back in 375 00:22:00,360 --> 00:22:05,200 2022, Nico Young, 2024. And now Colin Solomon, third 376 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,760 guy, new coach. Things are going well. 377 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:12,680 So yeah, I mean, this is another thrilling, thrilling race. 378 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,960 What do you think Colin Solomon's best event is right 379 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:16,160 now? It will. 380 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:21,760 It will eventually be the 1500. Yeah. 3K is too far and he's got 381 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:26,720 great speed, like he's got good speed, but at some level you tap 382 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:30,440 out in the 800. I just he's got to put on 20 lbs 383 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:33,240 of muscle. He's going to be running 140 384 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:37,080 point, which is likely what it's going to take to get an Olympic 385 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:41,160 medal in 2028. And so I just see him as a 1500 386 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,920 guy. I think he's just tactically 387 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,120 going to figure out the event and get comfortable in it. 388 00:22:46,120 --> 00:22:50,080 But long term, it just the math. If you're good at this, you're 389 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,840 good at that. You'll be great in the middle. 390 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,240 Not the 400. I don't think he's going to be a 391 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,120 400 guy, although we we rarely see cross country guys continue 392 00:22:59,120 --> 00:23:02,920 to move down into the sprints, which would be a novel thing to 393 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,440 witness. But 1500 for sure. 394 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,880 All right, let's move now over to the women's side. 395 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,240 Jane Hennigan becomes the first true freshman to win the 3K and 396 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:18,760 the 5K at the NCAA Championships wire to wire dominance in both 397 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,720 of those races. If we look at the finishing 398 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:27,680 times, 15 flat in the five K, 836 in the 3K breaks the 2 year 399 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:34,240 old NCAA Championship record held by Parker Valby and overall 400 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,680 dominant victory on on both sides of things. 401 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:44,160 It was billed as Jane versus Doris, this clash of Titans. 402 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,440 And after the first day, we kind of already knew that this wasn't 403 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:51,720 going to be exactly what we saw at the Melrose Games because 404 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,760 Doris Lemingle has been battling, I guess like a foot in 405 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:02,560 like injury since February. So she didn't win or didn't come 406 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,360 close in the 5K and then scratched entirely from the 3K. 407 00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:12,280 So in a way, it's not to diminish anything that Jane did 408 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,400 because she was a freshman who just accomplished this double. 409 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:19,000 But yeah, it's like we're still going to have to wait for the 410 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,880 true clash with with Doris. But for Jane, again, like we 411 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,760 were talking about this I think last week, it gets lost on us 412 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,000 just sort of like the expectations that we put on a 413 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,640 freshman. And she has met that each time 414 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:32,200 out. Yeah. 415 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:36,480 And look, she, I don't think she knows that Doris's foots hurt. 416 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:40,480 Yeah, when she stepped on the line, but she ran like a winner. 417 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,320 She goes super hard, I think to 11, the last 800 in that 5K. 418 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,040 And then when she showed up the next day in the 3K and Doris 419 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,360 isn't there. Jane is now the heavy favorite, 420 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:56,120 the ability to recover. Now this is the unchartered 421 00:24:56,120 --> 00:25:01,840 territory for a freshman to have to go 5K and come back to run a 422 00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,880 3K the next day. It it does a number on your 423 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:07,520 body. She handled it great and she 424 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,080 didn't shy away from it. She knew she was the favorite 425 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,040 and she just decided to take charge from the very beginning. 426 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,920 So a huge performance for her throwing down. 427 00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:20,840 I think that she's showing some versatility in the way she can 428 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,240 approach races now and it's a long season. 429 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,480 It's not, then, simply titles not decided at Melrose. 430 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,080 And it's a long year, so she's doing great. 431 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:34,320 I I just don't know if we're going to see Jane in a 10K this 432 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,200 soon. Right? 433 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,720 Like definitely probably the favorite for the 5K title. 434 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,720 Doris will probably go back to the steeple again. 435 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,000 I'd have to look at the schedules to see what the double 436 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,000 what double S are possible, but there was that one year where 437 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,120 Caitlin Tui tried to go for the 155K double and it kind of 438 00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:55,760 backfired on her. Could probably see something 439 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,640 like that out of Jane. She's got some really good mile 440 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,440 speed and we haven't necessarily seen that at the NCA level aside 441 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:10,360 from that one BU race and then when she anchored ADMR at a 442 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:13,880 homie. So I want to see more Jane as 443 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,440 the 1500 mile. I'm going to over coach here. 444 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,880 I, I, I want to see if Diljit hates this idea. 445 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,440 I'd red shirt outdoors. No way. 446 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,120 It's a great year. Unbelievable progress. 447 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,360 Just take a nice little break here. 448 00:26:31,360 --> 00:26:33,720 Gear up for the US Championships. 449 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,160 But there's no team to make. Whatever, it's just that that 450 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,880 you're healthy, you're a freshman long term build. 451 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:43,840 That's my over coaching for a moment. 452 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,680 I would just take it. I would just because 453 00:26:46,120 --> 00:26:49,480 legitimately that would be my one fear is you're young. 454 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,440 You've progressed so well this entire year. 455 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,800 You've won two incitable titles. You had some dominant racing 456 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,840 cross country. You were second to one of the 457 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,560 best incitable a cross country runners of all time. 458 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:08,080 Take a nice little break. That would be very surprising 459 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,560 and I think that the cries only for her to turn pro are only 460 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,200 getting louder. But make make them beg. 461 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:17,040 Make them come with the checkbook. 462 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:21,080 It's a risky move because you want to kind of also ride this 463 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,640 momentum to potentially add more titles and if this is your one 464 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:28,480 and done sort of year that you'll maximize your value. 465 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:32,480 I I just don't know if it would be the right move. 466 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,480 It it's a it's a fascinating proposal to throw out there. 467 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:36,680 I'm. Throwing it out there, that's 468 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,200 what I would do. Long term. 469 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:43,400 We're looking at 202820322036. It's a great year. 470 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:49,720 I'll tell you from the interviews that I think coach 471 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:54,680 Taylor and Jane have done in the last couple months, it does 472 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:59,080 stress a big part on the longer term development towards you 473 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,880 know 2028 so and beyond. So you might be on to something. 474 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:05,920 We'll say, we'll say. You're the first version I think 475 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,320 that I've heard suggests that versus the Turn pro and I'd be 476 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,800 curious to see how people react to this one. 477 00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:19,120 All right, now let's dip down to the miles Men's mile. 478 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:25,000 I'll tell you what, this one was hard to predict. 479 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,680 I, you know, in my heart wanted to see Gary Martin come away 480 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:34,080 with the victory in this one. The Michigan kid, what's his 481 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:38,440 name that you're super high on? Trent McFarland. 482 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:44,360 He's been looking really, really good and the NC indoor mile is a 483 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,440 crap shoot and we end up with a 358 race. 484 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,360 June BYU junior Carter Cutting is the guy who ends up winning. 485 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,440 Holds off George Cudi, who's also very, very, very good. 486 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:03,440 Trent McFarland was closing very hard, but Cutting found himself 487 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,640 with 400 meters to go perfect position and made the call to 488 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,640 take the lead early rather than wait. 489 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,960 And he had the fastest final lap of the field, 26.3. 490 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:21,640 And yeah, I mean, this or no, that was actually McFarlane I'm 491 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,400 looking at now, had the fastest final lap. 492 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:30,160 He's the one who, I think if he hadn't been have like, forced to 493 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,200 weave through so much traffic, probably would have been, you 494 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,320 know, the NCA champion. But Cutting ended up running 495 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,160 this one great. He came back from running the 496 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:45,920 1200 leg on the DMR on Friday, so we haven't really seen. 497 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,560 I guess too many people win the NCA indoor mile title with 498 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,560 another race on their legs, which makes this one impressive. 499 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,120 He wasn't the favorite, but he had really sharp instincts and I 500 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,160 think this is going to make a name for himself. 501 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:04,920 So a few things. First Trent McFarlane I think in 502 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,040 the prelim looked incredible and then he had to come back in the 503 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:13,040 DMR and he looked flat and he did a decent job recovering but 504 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,360 it it's hard not to think what would happen if he didn't have 505 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,080 to run that DMR between those two races. 506 00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,920 Also shaved his head in from the prelims. 507 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,200 I didn't final that you didn't catch that because in day one I 508 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,040 was like, he looks like a young Eric Jenkins. 509 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,360 And then day two I was like, where'd his hair go? 510 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:38,720 And it remind me of Estevez in the 2004 Olympic final when he 511 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,280 they said he had long blonde hair in the prelims and he 512 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:45,720 shaved it all off for the final. So anyway, kind of a cool move. 513 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,480 Unfortunately, it didn't pan out for the win. 514 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,640 Still like him for the future. The thing about our our boy 515 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:57,400 cutting that I think is just kind of notable and like it 516 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:02,240 speaks to what the incident play is right now is when he ran his 517 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,640 qualifying time of 352 came in eighth. 518 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:09,600 That'd be you. I didn't catch that. 519 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,160 Before I think it's like an incredible thing and like there 520 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,000 were pros in front of him, but there were also some non pros 521 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:22,520 and but it just speaks to what you know then. 522 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,080 So wait, that's that's what it is. 523 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,640 How good you have to be all the time. 524 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:27,480 It's about showing up on that day. 525 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:35,560 I thought Gary looked incredible during the prelim, but just I 526 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,920 probably had to push it a little faster. 527 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,880 Three 58359 race. It's can be a little bit more of 528 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:50,400 a kicker's race, although they didn't close as crazy fast as I 529 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:57,760 thought. And something that gets me is 530 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,920 this happens every year, especially indoors, is you see 531 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:06,720 that guys can run really fast, but they can't change gears. 532 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,880 Yeah. And in the prelim especially, 533 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,400 and I've been there as well, there's just something about 534 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:17,120 indoors you're just running strong VO2 Max workouts. 535 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,480 You're not ready for that gear change. 536 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:22,040 And sometimes you got a little slow and just pick it up and 537 00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:24,720 half the fields out the back they they just have nothing to 538 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,640 respond to at all. And we saw that here in both 539 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,080 races. But in a way that does kind of 540 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,640 confuse things a little bit. I say who's going to have the 541 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:40,400 better pro prospects when every race nowadays is like a 332 race 542 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,960 or faster and it's more strung out right from the get go. 543 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,720 So like, I'm still high on Gary Martin's pro prospects because 544 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,760 he's accustomed to run it being in races like Milrose. 545 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,040 And although he hasn't won, he's been close to, you know, in the 546 00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,840 top five. And as a college kid that's 547 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:03,720 super successful. So versus sort of he has not 548 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,320 been able to breakthrough just quite yet in these slower races. 549 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,200 And so similar also in the 800, I think where we see a couple 550 00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,480 different athletes where it's like they haven't quite figured 551 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:18,320 out the the tact, like the tactical side of NCAA racing. 552 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:23,520 Yeah, it's cyclical, though. Right now in the pro scene, we 553 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,360 see fast races. You think we're going to go back 554 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,080 in the middle distance? We might go back. 555 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,480 I don't think, I don't think anyone's wanting to go back, at 556 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,880 least like the East Africans, like, have vowed to never let 557 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,320 Matthew Centrowitz ever happen again. 558 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,240 They'll forget, yeah, they'll forget. 559 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,000 People forget. They're they're right now 560 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,440 there's a a 10 year old out there, 9 year old, I guess. 561 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:52,360 Who was even alive? The name at Century that means 562 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,240 nothing to them and they're going to forget. 563 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,280 And they're like, what if we just jog the first two laps and 564 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,680 then see what happens and things, these things change. 565 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,040 So. But no, I do appreciate your 566 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:12,040 point is that being able to run fast does convert in a more 567 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,520 obvious way than it would have previously. 568 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:17,159 Yeah. All right, on the women's side, 569 00:34:17,159 --> 00:34:20,760 Wilma Nielsen defended her and say a mile crown in 440. 570 00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:24,800 First woman to win back-to-back title since Susie Faber back in 571 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:28,159 1990. No one wanted to lead this one. 572 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,199 I had so much fun watching this race unfold because they were 573 00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:36,800 crawling through 800. I think they split 2:30 and then 574 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,120 it really picked up with 400 meters left to go. 575 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,080 Wilma Nielsen had really good positioning. 576 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:45,400 Sadie Englehart went for it. I think towards the end she had 577 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,760 a strong close. Riley Chamberlain, the NCAA 578 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,600 record holder, was had the right idea. 579 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,120 But. Just, I loved her. 580 00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,360 I loved, I think I texted you immediately after the race. 581 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:01,280 I Her vision throughout that second-half of the race of 582 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:06,360 winding it up the way she was holding that inside lane and 583 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,880 just fending people off. She didn't have that last gear, 584 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,720 but tactically I thought she set herself up really well and it 585 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:16,880 was a beautifully executed race for 1500 meters. 586 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,560 But woman Neil's, I mean, she's going to world indoors, right? 587 00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,600 Yeah. I mean, I think half of that 588 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:25,760 Oregon team is all going to world indoors. 589 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:30,640 Like I think who is it last, the former mile record holder 590 00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,800 Shalana Yield is also going to world indoors. 591 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,600 There's in the 800. I think there were some there's 592 00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,920 some athletes going. No, actually it's Rosemary 593 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,040 Longhisa from Washington State who ended up finishing second. 594 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,320 She's going to world indoors, I think, but in the 800. 595 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:52,960 So yeah, I mean, I it was a fun race to watch. 596 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,120 I was rooting hard for Sadie Englehart I think to try and 597 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,960 pull this off as a as a freshman. 598 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:05,400 And she closed the final 458.6 just couldn't quite. 599 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,000 I mean, if the race was 5 meters longer, she would have probably 600 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:14,320 had it .008 separated second and third in this one. 601 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:19,520 Longhisa tied up in the final stretch and it was it, it was 602 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,880 Wilma Nielsen who just had that last year to to get it done. 603 00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,960 So it's it's fun to see just sort of the season that she 604 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,640 compiled because she's a she's a gutsy racer, right? 605 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,040 We've seen her, I guess, be a little bit more patient in this 606 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:36,720 one than at BU. She tried to stick it to Ellie 607 00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:40,520 Saint Pierre. So yeah, Wilma's very, very 608 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,680 talented. Something I really appreciate 609 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:47,160 about this Oregon women's team is their willingness to race a 610 00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,720 ton. I mean, I'll count them right 611 00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:52,320 now. I mean Wilma has raced 612 00:36:52,640 --> 00:37:02,720 12345678910 times this indoor season and counting. 613 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,240 And they stack them against one another like a 10s, yeah. 614 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,240 You know, they're racing in practice. 615 00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:12,800 Look at this field. You know, it's so I I do 616 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,960 appreciate that they are down to race, especially going to world 617 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,600 indoors after this. The thing that got me about this 618 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,480 race was they just kept waiting and waiting and waiting and it 619 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,960 they ultimately closed at 58 seconds last 400, but 506 620 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:31,280 hundred left. I was watching thinking do you 621 00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,640 guys know how much is left in this race? 622 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,400 Nobody's going to make a hard move at any point here. 623 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,520 We love tactical races. It was great. 624 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,680 It was really fun race worth a rewatch in the future. 625 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,560 I feel like you know, some races you watch once and you're I 626 00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,320 never need to go back watch that one again. 627 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,480 But this women's smile has some some rewatchable value. 628 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,680 Now I'm curious how Katie Zhang would have ran in this one 629 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,160 because she ran faster at New Valley Nationals than the 630 00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,640 winning time at NCAA Championships. 631 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,360 She ran 437 I think it was to complete like the double. 632 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,640 And she went into that weekend never having broken 5 minutes 633 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:15,040 for the mile and then she, I mean, split 444 or whatever it 634 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,200 was in the middle of the two mile and then wasn't even 635 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,920 entered in the mile at new bus nationals that they were just 636 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,680 like, no, she'll make it interesting. 637 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:25,960 Let's add her to the mile field. And so, yeah, blasted of 437. 638 00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,760 It's up there on the the all time list. 639 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:35,400 All right, let's go down to the 8 hundreds, this one, Gladys 640 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,840 Chefengetic with the story of from last to 1st. 641 00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,320 Last place in 2025. First place this time around, 642 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:46,560 wire to wire. Very similar race to Michaela 643 00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,880 Page from UNC and how she won it the previous year. 644 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,440 Just going to the front, controlling the pace, closing 645 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,760 well enough to hold off the challengers, which included 646 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,840 Sanu, Jalu, Lockhart, Annalise, Batista. 647 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,280 Big points right there for Arkansas. 648 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,440 Haley Kitching is the kind of what if, like that's. 649 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,000 Painful. Painful the second. 650 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,160 Fastest seed entering the meet but went down hard in the prelim 651 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,960 and missed the final. She tried to protest into then 652 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,040 the into the final but that got denied. 653 00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,960 So that one was that one was hard. 654 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:30,800 So quick aside. So I got AI got a parking ticket 655 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,840 in the city a couple weekends ago. 656 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,600 I I parked and I paid in the app. 657 00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,880 But when I went into the app I paid for the wrong side of the 658 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:46,880 street and I tried to contest it and they say I still have to pay 659 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:51,800 the ticket $65. And a part of me is like, I 660 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,480 think you guys are just using AI to read my statement and like my 661 00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,080 testimony about why. Like I think I don't have to pay 662 00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,760 this ticket. I think I don't think a human 663 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:06,520 read it. And I think that when we 664 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,480 consider Haley Kitching going down. 665 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,160 AI just decided not to put her in because I think any human 666 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,360 should have watched that race and be like, yeah, she should be 667 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,760 in. She deserves to be in. 668 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,720 I know nothing happened. But like, if we're trying to 669 00:40:19,720 --> 00:40:22,120 figure out who the fastest 800m runner in the NCAA is, like 670 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,960 clearly let's just use your own personal judgement. 671 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,440 Forget the rules. You should pay for the area 672 00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:32,240 you're parked in. I know that's the law. 673 00:40:32,240 --> 00:40:34,880 You're supposed to do that. I know if you trip and you get 674 00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,440 up and you don't finish in the qualifying position, we 675 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:42,200 shouldn't put you in the final. But like, we're not robots. 676 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,440 She would have made it very interesting. 677 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,000 But yeah, it would have been a totally different race. 678 00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:51,720 Is that insane analogy? I don't think it's an insane 679 00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:57,080 analogy, but I do think now is this week two or three that 680 00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,720 you're just like, let's throw away the rule book with the 681 00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:02,200 USATF half marathon champions. Just throw away the rule book 682 00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:06,240 and maim the people to the team. I think we need a benevolent 683 00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:10,360 dictator at every track meet just one guy who or a girl who 684 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:15,480 are they're they're just they just do what's right at the end 685 00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,760 of the day. And the fact that Haley Kitchen 686 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:22,840 was so she had the fastest finish in that prelim looking 687 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,760 incredible and we never got to see it. 688 00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,440 Will it be interesting if she goes and? 689 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,960 Medals at World Indoors and because she's going to compete 690 00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:39,840 for Australia this weekend. Would you rather win an NCAA 691 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:45,080 indoor title or finish third at World Indoors this year? 692 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:54,120 Probably the NCAA indoor title. It's just I think it's your 693 00:41:54,120 --> 00:42:00,200 value increases, I think a bit more NCA titles, especially if 694 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,600 you're going to base yourself in America and get contracted by 695 00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:07,320 one of these major shoe brands. Like that's what you'll get to 696 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,240 be called. I think forever Mac is called 697 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:13,760 two time incident late champion. Like you don't get called Pan 698 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,560 American champion. I think like at. 699 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,120 The start of I never won Pan Am, so that makes sense. 700 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,560 Yeah, you shouldn't. You should obviously not call 701 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,680 them that. And I guess. 702 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,320 That's fair, but it isn't less. People know. 703 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:29,760 Here's the problem. It's less people know about 704 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:33,680 World Indoors than they do NCIS. Yeah, I mean, on campus, you're 705 00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,400 definitely right. A bigger dog with an 706 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:39,280 incidentally title. But are we not here to win 707 00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:42,240 medals at global championships? Is that not always the end goal? 708 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,760 It should be, but I think in just sort of the general 709 00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:50,400 consciousness of of folks. I don't that's not world endures 710 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:56,520 you because NIL deals are not pay for play, but if they could 711 00:42:56,520 --> 00:43:02,440 be I bet there's more incentive to win an NCA title versus world 712 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,680 indoor medal. Outdoors is a totally different 713 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,040 story. If you ask me, would you rather 714 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:12,200 win NCA outdoor title or an NCA or a world championship outdoor 715 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:13,760 medal? It's a World Championship 716 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:15,400 outdoor medal. What about World Road Running 717 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,600 championship? Like half him Samuel is going to 718 00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,600 win the the goal. Actually he can't because he's 719 00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:23,920 represent, He's not. He's in a like basically an 720 00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,160 asylum right now in the transition period between 721 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:30,800 Eritrea to the United States that he can't go out there or 722 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,840 else I would say, oh, half him. Samuel is going to do that. 723 00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,400 Let's say Hailey Kitching can either win an incidentally title 724 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,720 or she wins the mile at the World Road Running Championship. 725 00:43:38,720 --> 00:43:40,360 So he which? What's better? 726 00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,080 Which would you rather have? Still the NCAA title. 727 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,040 What about world's cross country? 728 00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:52,560 Oh, OK, that gets interesting. Relay what cross titles are. 729 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,520 Oh, relay. OK, Relay. 730 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,480 No, just give me the NCA title. All right, give me your full the 731 00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:05,880 hierarchy Olympic title, we both agree number one world outdoor 732 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,160 championships. Yes. 733 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:14,000 What's next? World Relays, World cross 734 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,240 country, World Road running, World Indoor. 735 00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:20,920 What about US titles? World Ultimate Championship? 736 00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,200 No. Take the US only World Athletics 737 00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,560 World Championships. OK, then it would be after World 738 00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:33,920 outdoor Championship medal, probably World cross country 739 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:45,360 medal, then World Junior medal. I would. 740 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:50,120 I'd rather be a world junior gold medalist than world indoor 741 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:56,840 like bronze medalist. World World junior gold medalist 742 00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,000 over bronze but gold to gold. Which are you taking? 743 00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,080 That's where it gets interesting. 744 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,240 I might go. I might still go world Junior 745 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,440 because it's really yeah. Stop. 746 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,680 Do you think about just some of the previous like world junior 747 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:19,640 champions like that is attached to you forever versus. 748 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:22,680 At some point, though, it expires. 749 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,960 Right. But by the time it expires, 750 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:30,520 you've hopefully done something bigger or you've already cashed 751 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,000 in on a really good pro contract. 752 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,480 You know how with Olympians, it's always there's no former 753 00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,200 Olympian. Once in Olympian, always in 754 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,040 Olympian. I think we should apply that 755 00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,160 same mindset to world junior champions. 756 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,080 What? There's no such thing as a. 757 00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:50,160 Former world junior champion or US New Balance Nationals. 758 00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,960 You're like 40 years old walking around. 759 00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,760 With the backpack on. Yeah, you're like I'm the New 760 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,720 Balance Nationals champion. Once. 761 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,200 Always. Once and forever, Yeah. 762 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:06,080 All right, we're getting we're straying off track. 763 00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:11,800 Then let's just quickly touch on Arkansas going 1-2 in the men's 764 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:14,000 800. This is probably maybe the, I 765 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,160 don't know, I wasn't in Arkansas, but I would assume 766 00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,440 probably the loudest it got when you have two guys from from the 767 00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,920 home team winning. In addition to that, they're 768 00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:29,360 both Jamaican team teammates, Trice Taylor and Rivaldo 769 00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,160 Marshall 12. Taylor just beat out Marshall 770 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:38,920 146 flat to 146.12. Another interesting one where 771 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,880 the pre race favorite didn't necessarily have it in the final 772 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:45,200 lap. Handel Robon of Penn State, who 773 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,040 would have been the NCA record holder had it not been for Colin 774 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,480 Solomon at the Middle Rose Games. 775 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,280 He just faded in the final lap all the way I think over to 7th. 776 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,040 There was he had another. This is another instance where 777 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,680 there was like some contact made there. 778 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:05,520 So yeah, we ended up with an Arkansas and Jamaican 12. 779 00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,560 Really like a athlete to watch from this one potentially. 780 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:15,840 Penn State has historically been 800 meter U right. 781 00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,600 Like we think back to the days of, you know, who was it 782 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,160 Casloxum? Who else was around that time? 783 00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:25,280 I'm trying to remember. But they had a couple. 784 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,520 Oh, I say Harris, but now Robbie. 785 00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:34,480 Crease. Robbie Crease, Thiago Socarres, 786 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,480 is that how you say it? Who finished fourth? 787 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:40,080 And he's a he's a true freshman. Did you? 788 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:40,840 Yeah. I mean, did you? 789 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,960 Pay attention to him. I mean, now you have to. 790 00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:51,240 Yeah, I mean it. Look, this was because you're in 791 00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:54,600 Arkansas. This race was extra cool, right? 792 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,240 And they Arkansas actually just has track fans there. 793 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:01,560 A lot of people particularly know Elyle say it's one of the 794 00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:03,920 best, best in the world, the best in the world. 795 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,200 And they were. Actually top five. 796 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:12,000 Top five and they were going wild and But here's the thing 797 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:19,480 about the men's 800 indoors. It is always such a crap shoot 798 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,680 and I don't want to put you on the spot Chris, unless you want 799 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:26,560 me to put you on the spot I like. 800 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:30,840 Being put on the spot. I bet you if we go back a few 801 00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:35,560 years, you're not going to be able to name who won in past 802 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:39,520 years and I'm not going to put you on the spot unless you want 803 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,720 the challenge. But do you know who won last 804 00:48:41,720 --> 00:48:43,720 year? Yeah, he didn't make the final 805 00:48:43,720 --> 00:48:44,640 this year. The organ kid. 806 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,760 Yeah, So, Matthew Erickson, do you remember who won the year 807 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:53,920 before? Give me the uniform school. 808 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:59,560 Iowa. Oh, yeah, I, I, I know who 809 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,640 you're talking. About this is tricky because he 810 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:03,920 finished second. It's Rivaldo Marshall yeah, 811 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:08,280 that's right. But and we're not going to go 812 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,560 all the way down and there's some greats, but like I just 813 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,680 feel like every time we run the 800 and This is why I like it. 814 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:18,480 I'm not saying this is a negative, but like one 46147 815 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:23,040 races do just end up being huge crap shoots and it becomes about 816 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,760 positioning and making the move at the right time, which is 817 00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:30,120 often racing anyway. But even more so, I feel like 818 00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:34,280 there's no event in which it becomes more important than the 819 00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:38,160 indoor 800. It's just the, so the fact that 820 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,760 these guys went 1-2 is incredible because I think if 821 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,600 you ran it 10 times that you don't go the same order every 822 00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:47,640 single time, obviously, but even more so versus other races. 823 00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:52,800 They executed perfectly and they keyed off the the guys who they 824 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,200 needed to key off of. And I think that the only way to 825 00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,000 settle this is if we can get together and have everyone do 826 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,040 the Penn Relays forbid this year because, you know, Penn State 827 00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,720 and Arkansas would absolutely have a battle. 828 00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:10,560 And of course, you know, Oregon, throw in there you you said they 829 00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:12,280 had James Harding, but they didn't have Matthew Erickson in 830 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,840 the final. There's a few schools right now 831 00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,920 in the 800 that are absolutely loaded. 832 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,600 And we got to see a match up to who the real 800U is right now. 833 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,640 This episode of the City Smack Podcast is presented by X 834 00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:27,920 Endurance. 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And I was like, OK, now we're 878 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,080 just getting a little carried away here. 879 00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,080 They're getting good, they're getting good. 880 00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:54,640 They are getting good. Yeah. 881 00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:59,400 The Jamaican godmother of distance, Ayesha Pratt Lear, 882 00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:03,960 probably watching proudly from from from afar after this 883 00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,640 weekend. I think she posted the our 884 00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,160 graphic on her Instagram story celebrating this one too. 885 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,680 So they're going crazy. All right, what I want to do on 886 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,120 the Sprint side of things, particularly on the men's side, 887 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:21,480 is just quickly highlight these 4 performances. 888 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:27,120 And you tell me like, what was the biggest or most shocking 889 00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:30,920 one? Because if you want more on the 890 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:34,280 Sprint side, you can check out the final leg by Anderson 891 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,960 Emeril. He did a whole entire sprints 892 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,160 and jumps recap on his podcast, so check that out. 893 00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:45,360 And if you want the throw side of things, you check out the 894 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,680 Poly Throw show, which is also available on Apple Podcasts and 895 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,400 Spotify. Paul's having a nightmare of a 896 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,200 travel day right now where all of his flights have gotten 897 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,560 cancelled. I think he's still in Boston and 898 00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:06,760 he's going I think Boston to Dallas, Dallas to somewhere like 899 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:12,760 Miami and then heading home like and yeah, so I'm on a text 900 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,240 thread right now and he's he's hopefully going to get home 901 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:17,600 soon. He's got class I think on 902 00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,680 Tuesday. So poor Paul. 903 00:54:19,680 --> 00:54:22,920 But dude, guess what? This is what it this is honestly 904 00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:27,880 challenging Paul's consistency in posting his daily throes. 905 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,080 Fact of the day that we might see the latest one filmed in 906 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,960 like the Dallas airport, but did. 907 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:37,280 He get did. Did Paul get invited to the Val 908 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,240 Almond wedding or no? No, that's why he was at New 909 00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:43,160 Balance Nationals. I think maybe he he declined the 910 00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:44,760 invite. He's that I have to go work. 911 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,520 At OK, respectfully, respectfully, yeah. 912 00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:54,040 All right, so these men's Sprint performances, 645 by Kansola 913 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:59,360 Ajayi from Auburn, tied the NCA record, 1995 by US CS Garrett 914 00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:04,320 Calland set the NCA 200 meter record, fastest in U.S. history, 915 00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,640 sets an American record. I think the second fastest, 916 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:10,120 second fastest ever all time, and with a few guys who have 917 00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,600 ever, is it only two guys who have ever broken 20 indoors? 918 00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:19,120 Then we had 44.57 by Samuel Ghazi from Alabama, third all 919 00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,720 time in the NCA. I think it's this one that I was 920 00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:27,800 the most shocked by. 7.32 by Auburn's Jacoby Tharp breaks the 921 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,400 NCA 60 meter hurdles record, second fastest ever in the 922 00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,160 world. Yeah, he just erased a Grant 923 00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,760 Holloway record. Yeah. 924 00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,040 I mean, in terms of most surprising, I don't know if any 925 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,520 of those, well, I guess maybe just how fast he went, but like 926 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,160 is it surprising that any of those guys won? 927 00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:53,240 Probably not. You know they they've all put up 928 00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:59,680 huge performance already. I thought the Jacoby Tharp is a 929 00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:04,040 stud. We already knew that the time is 930 00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:08,160 Holloway esque. You just don't see it see times 931 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,760 like that super regularly. So it it's a nice thing to see 932 00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,640 where you're you scratch your head and be like. 933 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,120 I think that's like incredible, right? 934 00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,800 That's. That's how I was feeling the guy 935 00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:21,880 and I'm like, that's. Crazy. 936 00:56:22,240 --> 00:56:25,000 What an embarrassment of riches that the men's 110. 937 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:27,240 Well, also just sort of like the tide turns so quick, Like, 938 00:56:27,240 --> 00:56:29,120 right. We had this era of dominance by 939 00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:32,000 Grant. Then, you know, he gets hit with 940 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,680 a pretty bad injury last year that he wasn't himself. 941 00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:38,400 Hopefully, you know, he's recovering from that and working 942 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,120 his way back slowly. But again, like, no need to rush 943 00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,800 in 2026 without a global championship. 944 00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:48,200 So we're not entire, we're not writing off the Grand Holloway 945 00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:53,200 era being over by any means. But Cordell Tinch has, you know, 946 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:57,080 slotted himself very nicely at the top of that event. 947 00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,520 You have Trey Cunningham on a heater as well, but then when 948 00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,960 Jacoby Tharp does this, you're just sort of like, I hope it 949 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:06,480 really translates over the 110 hurdles because it's not a 950 00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,720 direct one for one, but it's a really good sign I think come 951 00:57:10,720 --> 00:57:13,000 for outdoors. I think the thing that's most 952 00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,720 surprising about it is how big of a jump it was. 953 00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:22,240 We knew he was good. Obviously he ran very, very fast 954 00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,720 at the outdoor season last year, but coming to the season, I 955 00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:32,360 believe his best was 7 45 and he was not the fastest time in the 956 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,840 season coming into this. He was third. 957 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:39,080 And so for him to come out and put up a dominant performance, 958 00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:41,120 that's surprising. I do also just want to say on 959 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:44,560 the topic of Garrett, like we need more indoor 2 hundreds. 960 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,800 It's so it's violent and he closed. 961 00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:56,080 His last 50 was incredible, just beautiful to watch. 962 00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,840 And so I want to see more indoor 2 hundreds. 963 00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:02,400 They seem unbelievably dangerous. 964 00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:07,120 They just seem you're begging for hamstrings to to disappear. 965 00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:11,040 But yeah, so no, we'll say Jacoby. 966 00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,800 Not surprised that he won, but surprised just how incredibly 967 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:16,960 fast he ran. I, I, it just hit me now and 968 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,920 when I'm looking at this, the state of the, of the, the season 969 00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:26,160 topless right now. Right now in this in the world, 970 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:29,960 the United States has the fastest man in the 60, the 971 00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:34,720 indoor 200, the indoor 400, indoor 500, the indoor 600, 972 00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:40,760 indoor 800, indoor 1500, the mile, 2 mile 5K. 973 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:43,720 This is our year. We're doing everything. 974 00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:48,560 Listen, we really need Preet here right now to to shut this 975 00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:51,200 one down, Chris. Oh yeah, people are wondering 976 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,960 where is Preet? Preet is travelling for work and 977 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:59,080 by the time we decided on recording here on Monday night, 978 00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:03,600 it just was too late. But for the Preet stands, I'm 979 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,440 talking to you Susie Cinnamon, who comments on all of the 980 00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:10,400 Spotify episodes asking or praising Preet. 981 00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:15,680 Preet will be back for the World Indoor preview later this week. 982 00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,360 So we decided to split duties Kyle on to recap this weekend 983 00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,280 and then Preet gets the World Indoor preview. 984 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:27,280 But yeah, he would not be. He would be pointing. 985 00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:30,160 Although I will say the international scene in the 986 00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:33,000 sprints at the NCAA level is very cool to see. 987 00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,800 She's like, oh, well, you got this sprinter from Zimbabwe, 988 00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,560 like crushing it. And you try like I I found 989 00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,000 myself, I guess, watching this meet constantly turning to Paul 990 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,640 Hoff Mahoney being like, is that guy American? 991 00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,560 Is that guy American? Just so that that way I'm like 992 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:53,120 trying to wrap my brain around like, where is this top talent 993 00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,520 being, you know, disseminated to come the outdoor season. 994 00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:59,720 So yeah, that was it was a great weekend. 995 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,880 We'll touch on the women's Sprint side in a little bit when 996 01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:09,200 we touch on a another big story that happened in the last 24 997 01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,240 hours, but. Now I want to take us to the 998 01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:16,080 Rhodes and the biggest performance that took place 999 01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:21,640 there is Ethiopia's Fort Fortien. 1000 01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:29,240 Tess Fay running her marathon debut and clocking A21051IN in 1001 01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:34,120 Barcelona on Sunday. Easily the fastest marathon 1002 01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:38,960 debut in history and now number two all time, second only to 1003 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,840 Ruth Chepingettich's world record, a very controversial 1004 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:48,120 world record and she won this race by 8-8 minutes. 1005 01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:54,240 Second place was Jip Kosgai Kiplimo who ran who ran 21842. 1006 01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:59,560 Now the clip I tweeted out, has it gone viral? 1007 01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:05,360 I think I said that no one saw this coming because frankly, no 1008 01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:07,600 one did see this coming. There. 1009 01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,680 You can listen to every running podcast that's out there in the 1010 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:13,400 world. Not a single person probably 1011 01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,640 said, oh, watch for photo and test fade this weekend at the 1012 01:01:16,640 --> 01:01:19,400 Barcelona Marathon. You're just not talking to the 1013 01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:25,360 right people, Chris. Yeah, well, but then also it 1014 01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,600 kind of got twisted in a way because the tweet ended up going 1015 01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:33,120 crazy viral, mainly because, you know, I pointed out to folks 1016 01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:40,280 that that's 459 for 26.2 miles blows the average sports fans 1017 01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:45,000 brain. But when I said no one saw this 1018 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:48,480 coming, I mostly meant that like, no one Is no one going 1019 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,440 into the weekend expecting to pay attention to the Barcelona 1020 01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:55,720 Marathon results. I woke up to a text from Preet 1021 01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:58,840 being like, a woman just ran 210 at the Barcelona Marathon. 1022 01:01:59,160 --> 01:02:01,800 And then I open up Twitter and it happened an hour before. 1023 01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,560 And so when that's sort of the part that I was shocked by, it's 1024 01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,200 not. I'm not necessarily saying that 1025 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:14,520 she's a nobody because if you look at her resume, she's the 1026 01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:17,200 third fastest women's half marathoner of all time. 1027 01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,680 She was seventh in the 10K at the Paris Olympics. 1028 01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:26,160 She was 8th at the World Championships this past year in 1029 01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:33,720 2025 in Tokyo, her PB is 6335. So here she hits the halfway 1030 01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:39,080 point in 65 O 5 closes the second-half and 6548. 1031 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:44,440 It was a very like she didn't die and she was when she hit 1032 01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:46,600 40K. She was on world record pace 1033 01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:51,040 before the wind in the final stretch kind of was the thing 1034 01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:52,720 that, you know, derailed her now. 1035 01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:59,920 Yes, Ruth Chepingettich was still a minute faster, 209-5655 1036 01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:01,960 seconds faster than what we saw this past weekend. 1037 01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,920 But Tess Faye was I guess like in the interview that they did 1038 01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:07,520 afterwards, she was like in the next marathon. 1039 01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,920 I would like to try for the world record this. 1040 01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:15,600 She just jumped entirely over running anything that is like a 1041 01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:19,120 get it, get one on the board. Like what we see typically is 1042 01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,720 right. You run 220, then you run 218, 1043 01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:27,640 then you run 216 or 214. And then take us as safe as the 1044 01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:29,480 one who blew our brains with the 211. 1045 01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:34,200 And then that didn't even sit in our in our minds enough before 1046 01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:36,720 chef and get a Tran 2O9 and now we have a 210. 1047 01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:42,120 But yeah, it's just it's another one that is now being met with a 1048 01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,640 ton of skepticism from the public. 1049 01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:49,800 Most of my replies on Twitter are just doping accusations. 1050 01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:54,680 But that's sort of that comes with the territory of running 1051 01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,600 this fast with very little context behind the performance. 1052 01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:03,800 Kyle, what were your thoughts? She obviously knew coming in 1053 01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:08,080 that she was in good shape because you don't go out in 65 O 1054 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:14,440 by accident and run 210, so something had indicated that she 1055 01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:16,680 was ready to go. She had two male pacemakers, 1056 01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,640 too. Her last race before this, she 1057 01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:30,760 had run 65 in was it Valencia and the she lost by two minutes 1058 01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:36,320 to Agnes Negotic. And so think about what must 1059 01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:41,520 have happened since October in order to improve that much that 1060 01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,680 you're now doubling the distance at the same pace. 1061 01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,920 And you know, it's likely the beginning of a cycle of a like 1062 01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:51,280 training cycle versus the end of a training cycle. 1063 01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:56,440 But I'm, I am trying to wrap my mind around it. 1064 01:04:56,440 --> 01:05:02,920 I think it's, I hate that Ruth Chapman Getic has put us in this 1065 01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:04,840 position in both ways. I hate that we're not 1066 01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:07,080 celebrating this as a world record because it should be. 1067 01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,920 And I hate that we have any level of skepticism right now 1068 01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,520 when people run fast, particularly in the marathon. 1069 01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:18,360 It's just that that's the downside of people doping. 1070 01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:23,640 It impacts other people and your ability to enjoy their 1071 01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:29,240 performances. So I think you're allowed to be 1072 01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,720 skeptical. My stance has always been that 1073 01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:38,680 until proven guilty, you're just not going to enjoy the sport if 1074 01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:40,200 every single time people run fast. 1075 01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,720 If you're you're throwing up red flags around like you just have 1076 01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,120 to enjoy it at some point. And and you know your your 1077 01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,920 favorite team should be the AIU and you should hope that they 1078 01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:53,000 they get everyone that deserves to be caught. 1079 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,240 But yeah, we should be celebrating it as a world 1080 01:05:56,240 --> 01:05:59,320 record, and it's a shame that we're not because it got a lot 1081 01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,280 of attention, but it would have gotten even more. 1082 01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,080 She's been really good for a long time. 1083 01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,720 It's just that she has not been as big of a name as other people 1084 01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:13,800 who have done really well. And I before this podcast, I 1085 01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,640 texted Hannah Borenstein, who spends a lot of time in Ethiopia 1086 01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,400 to get just sort of like, hey, like, are we, what are we 1087 01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:23,880 missing here? Like, help, help me wrap my 1088 01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:27,240 brain around this one. And she was like, well, she 1089 01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,040 trained. I guess what people haven't put 1090 01:06:29,040 --> 01:06:31,920 together is the fact that she trains with tickets Asafa and 1091 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:36,320 Imani Bariso and Tigis, Katama and Howie face a So you're 1092 01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,320 looking at a training group where women have run any the 1093 01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:42,760 slowest person, One of the slower people in the group is 1094 01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:44,840 run 214 and one the Chicago Marathon. 1095 01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:47,280 And the fastest person used to hold the marathon world record, 1096 01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:51,280 Tamara Tola, is on the men's side of this training group. 1097 01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:56,840 Their coach, she's they're all coached by Gemedu de Defo, who 1098 01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,000 if you look at that guy's resume, I just saw a post by 1099 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:05,200 it's on Twitter from Aman running or something like that. 1100 01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:09,080 He's, you know, in Ethiopia, He does a great job of, you know, 1101 01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:11,680 content capturing all of the athletes there. 1102 01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:16,000 And he said, like coach de Defo, like doesn't get enough love 1103 01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,920 from World Athletics to recognize the fact that like 1104 01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,400 this is, this is the best marathon training group in the 1105 01:07:21,400 --> 01:07:25,360 entire world. And So what you have is this 1106 01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:30,320 group of people who are just, if you probably, if you watch all 1107 01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:34,400 of their races at, you know, Berlin, Chicago and all that 1108 01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:38,280 stuff, is that they're very bold and they're fearless in how they 1109 01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:41,800 attack races. And for now, from that 1110 01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:46,600 standpoint of like innocent until proven guilty, that's what 1111 01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:50,760 I'm just kind of kind of lean on until I see anything that, you 1112 01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:54,320 know, indicates to me that there's some foul play or some 1113 01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:59,320 doping involved, I'm going to have to just go by the, the 1114 01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,280 thought that, hey, there's they're wearing super. 1115 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,320 Shoes. They race fearlessly, they've 1116 01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:07,520 got a self belief. If if you're in the same 1117 01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:10,640 training group as a woman who's run 211, you probably think OK 1118 01:08:10,800 --> 01:08:13,760 that could be me. And now she's the fastest one of 1119 01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:19,000 the entire group. Even watching the clips, her 1120 01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,279 form and her running economy looks fantastic. 1121 01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:26,640 Like I remember when I used to see clips of Lattessenbeck Gide 1122 01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,000 running from, you know, the side profiles. 1123 01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,000 Like that's the best form I've ever seen. 1124 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:36,680 And, you know, Testfate had a lot of those elements that I 1125 01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:41,160 think would make you successful. So I, I, I'll be playing paying 1126 01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,120 close attention to see, you know, if there's any other 1127 01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:47,520 additional reporting that someone goes out to Ethiopia to, 1128 01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,439 you know, get a better picture of this group. 1129 01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:56,040 And for Tess Faye, I'm sure now she's going to be invited to 1130 01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:59,080 some, you know, the likes of Berlin. 1131 01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:04,920 The bar is set for for London. Now you got to try and top a 210 1132 01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,800 to be the fastest marathon in in the world. 1133 01:09:08,279 --> 01:09:12,399 But on top of that, another element as, as we try and piece 1134 01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:14,479 together like how to make this thing make sense. 1135 01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,640 I believe Barcelona changed the course for this year and this is 1136 01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:22,520 a brand new course. Every single you know, Kyle has 1137 01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,359 previously got it gotten us in trouble on this podcast for 1138 01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:28,520 saying that Valencia times aren't a real thing and they 1139 01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:33,399 shouldn't count and that every street in Spain is a trampoline 1140 01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,319 and you're holding your tongue because you could probably say 1141 01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:41,479 that about this Barcelona race because if you look at what the 1142 01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:45,880 men's time was a bell Chalangat from Uganda won the men's race 1143 01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:47,640 in two O 4. Never heard of that guy. 1144 01:09:47,880 --> 01:09:49,600 So it's a. It was a. 1145 01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:52,560 Fast four minute 4 minute PB for him as well. 1146 01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:56,600 And then second place on the women's side, Joan Chukovsky 1147 01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,640 sharing 218. And I believe that was a 7 1148 01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:04,240 minute PB. So get me on a flight to Spain 1149 01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,480 because I know where I want to go. 1150 01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:14,000 Anywhere in Spain, yeah, yeah, that seems to you have your pick 1151 01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,080 and especially in the winter, so the. 1152 01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:19,320 Crime here. The crime here is you ran too 1153 01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:22,320 fast and now everyone is judging you. 1154 01:10:23,960 --> 01:10:29,280 And the the fact is, maybe if she would have run 214 on this 1155 01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:34,440 first try, it would have been less, you know, alarming or 1156 01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,520 crazy to people because that is what I think the world athletic 1157 01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,560 scoring tables correlate her half marathon PB too. 1158 01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:44,760 But we've known just in the past like that's never A1 for one. 1159 01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,560 And then I've seen just sort of examples of like, well, take 1160 01:10:50,560 --> 01:10:52,280 someone like that. Now this is different because 1161 01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:57,000 it's a guy versus a woman. So like Ethan Shuley, right? 1162 01:10:57,440 --> 01:11:01,680 He crushed his marathon. He runs, you know, sub two O 8 1163 01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:07,840 and has this big progression and it's come from also the fact 1164 01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:12,240 that like he's run some really good half marathons in a lead 1165 01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:15,720 up. So before he ran 211 last, you 1166 01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,840 know, fall, I think earlier in the year, his PB was probably 1167 01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:22,600 somewhere around 6362. So now we have someone who's run 1168 01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:29,360 63 and ends up running 210. Doesn't seem all that crazy 1169 01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:32,520 except for it's it's it's a different gender or different 1170 01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:37,680 sex. So, yeah, we're going to take 1171 01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:41,280 some time to really let this one sit with us and really process 1172 01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:45,360 it. But yeah, a new name has really 1173 01:11:45,480 --> 01:11:48,760 entered the marathon scene and is an announcer star and it has 1174 01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:50,160 announced herself as a superstar. 1175 01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:57,560 So all right, now NYC, half the race that you got to interview 1176 01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,840 the Champions for. Helen O'berry set a new event 1177 01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:06,480 record with the 6633 to win the women's race just ahead of her 1178 01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:10,640 arch nemesis Sharon Loquetti, who's getting ready for Boston. 1179 01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:12,200 Helen's getting ready for London. 1180 01:12:12,440 --> 01:12:15,720 Behind them, Megan Keith with a big, big run in her half 1181 01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:17,680 marathon debut. I think that one's kind of 1182 01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,680 flying under the radar. Adrian wieldscoot. 1183 01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:25,880 OK, settle this for us. How did he say it's pronounced? 1184 01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:31,480 It was like, we'll, we'll shoot. It wasn't veiled. 1185 01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:35,280 It's not veiled, so not AV. No, it wasn't AV. 1186 01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,160 And then is it a scoot at the end? 1187 01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,640 I feel like you could scoot. I don't think he, I don't think 1188 01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:48,520 he's scooting. Will will will Jute, will jute. 1189 01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:50,680 No, now you're throwing AJ in there. 1190 01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,280 I forgot. I honestly I forgot. 1191 01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:56,520 I. Think apologies, we got to go 1192 01:12:56,520 --> 01:13:00,800 back and re listen to we're on a first name basis to us, he's 1193 01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:07,480 just it's just Adrian, yeah. So he corrects this on the Set 1194 01:13:07,480 --> 01:13:09,600 the Pace podcast that you got to Co host with I'm. 1195 01:13:10,440 --> 01:13:12,800 Nervous. I thought it was wheeled. 1196 01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:14,560 Shoot. Yeah. 1197 01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:19,800 You've always been hard, hard on the the shoe, but I've always 1198 01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,240 heard scoot. Yes. 1199 01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:24,200 And then Kerry. Throws the. 1200 01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:26,640 V in at the beginning. No, the V is not wrong. 1201 01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:31,480 The V was definitely wrong. OK, Well, it wasn't as wrong as 1202 01:13:31,480 --> 01:13:34,560 I think one of the announcers said that he was running for 1203 01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:38,080 Russia, but it was because the RSA, the Republic of South 1204 01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:41,200 Africa kind of confuses. People, that's very funny, yeah, 1205 01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:42,880 because. It was cold and it was like, oh, 1206 01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:44,640 he, he's used to this because he runs in Russia. 1207 01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:52,280 He's like, no, he actually runs free South Africa big win by by 1208 01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:55,080 him. He won by 11 seconds surging off 1209 01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:58,640 of the Brooklyn Bridge, pulling away from Zuhair Talbi, who had 1210 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:01,640 another sub 60 performance top American on the day. 1211 01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:06,800 And if you're on social media, India is going absolutely 1212 01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:11,280 berserk for Gulveer Singh, who becomes the first Indian man to 1213 01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,280 break 60 minutes. He runs 5942. 1214 01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:18,560 We've talked about this previously on the podcast. 1215 01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:22,960 Anytime any an Indian athlete pops off a major performance, 1216 01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:28,360 it's good for the sport in the sense that that billion person 1217 01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:33,840 population is now paying closer attention to these races. 1218 01:14:33,840 --> 01:14:38,440 And so Golvier Singh, who trains with Scott Simmons out in 1219 01:14:38,440 --> 01:14:41,560 Colorado, is the latest big star. 1220 01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:47,920 So big performance by him, but. How about the diversity on the 1221 01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:50,720 men's side? Was crazy in the top 10. 1222 01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:54,360 So you have a winner from South Africa. 1223 01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:58,400 Second is Zuhair who now runs for the US. 1224 01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:08,240 Third India, 5th Ireland, 6th UK, 7th Canada, 8th Kenya, 10th 1225 01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:10,400 Japan. Oh wow, so. 1226 01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:12,920 No one from the top ten was from the same country. 1227 01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,160 No, you had a couple of Americans, few Americans, but 1228 01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:20,200 still that's like, I didn't. I didn't name all the Americans, 1229 01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:22,840 but Joe Flecker was in there, as was Alex Meyer. 1230 01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:28,280 But yeah, just kind of cool the New York when you're here. 1231 01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:29,840 That's. That's. 1232 01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:36,360 The melting. Pot Yeah, I thought that it was 1233 01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:40,520 such AI love when you have two completely different races on 1234 01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:43,360 the men's and women's side like on the women's side we saw Agnes 1235 01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,080 together from the very beginning just immediately take off and 1236 01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:50,520 hammer from the gun and the men it was just a massive pack cold 1237 01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,840 windy day. It's runnable. 1238 01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,240 It wasn't raining, so it could be worse, but they they had a 1239 01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:59,040 huge pack together and pretty late in the race, it was just 1240 01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:04,440 still fully anyone's game. And when Adrian moved, he like 1241 01:16:04,520 --> 01:16:07,160 he and Zuhair moved hard. He almost went down. 1242 01:16:07,160 --> 01:16:09,680 Did you see that? He was like cornering 42nd and 1243 01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:13,560 he almost went down. His ankle went a little bit 1244 01:16:13,560 --> 01:16:16,280 beyond the angle you'd ideally have it go. 1245 01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:19,440 Is it a pothole? Because Mayor Mamdani has said 1246 01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:24,640 that he's going to fill every hole in the city and that he's 1247 01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,600 on a mission to no potholes in in New York. 1248 01:16:28,440 --> 01:16:29,960 That'd be amazing. But I don't think it was a 1249 01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:31,640 pothole. I think it was just a hard turn. 1250 01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:38,880 But I, I, this is now Adrian's second-half marathon. 1251 01:16:39,400 --> 01:16:44,520 He ran really well around 5913 or so in Valencia. 1252 01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:50,680 And now he turns around and he runs 5930 on this course, which 1253 01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:55,040 you know, is not an easy course. You've heard what we've said 1254 01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:59,480 about Valencia. The New York half is hard. 1255 01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,200 It is a hard course. There's lots of turns. 1256 01:17:02,520 --> 01:17:06,520 There's bridges, there's elements, There's a lot at play. 1257 01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:10,240 I mean, you look at Helen O'berry, who is one of the all 1258 01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:14,480 time greats on the the women's side and setting a course record 1259 01:17:14,480 --> 01:17:19,000 at 66 minutes, which is a testament to how I mean, double 1260 01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:23,560 that you're you're not running as fast as our our new 1261 01:17:23,560 --> 01:17:25,640 unofficial marathon world record holder. 1262 01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:33,840 And so the fact that Adrian is ran 5930 is so promising for 1263 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:37,120 what he can eventually do on the roads. 1264 01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:39,960 And you know, it doesn't sound like there's any immediate plans 1265 01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:43,720 to make it a full, but he's quite good at it in the field 1266 01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,560 that he beat was quite accomplished. 1267 01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:49,400 Let's talk about this heater that Naz Elite has been on. 1268 01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:52,880 When we look at just sort of, yes, there was Adrian's success 1269 01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:56,840 here, but all the drama and chaos in Atlanta overshadowed 1270 01:17:56,840 --> 01:18:00,160 the fact that, you know, Wesley Kiptu and Ahmed Mohammed like 1271 01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:03,080 also had really, really good strong showings there. 1272 01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:06,880 Ahmed Mohammed just doesn't miss teams anymore. 1273 01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:11,760 And Wesley Kiptu is probably going to be a problem for the 1274 01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:17,640 likes of Conor Manson, Clayton Young at at the 2028 US Olympic 1275 01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:23,040 Marathon Trials. Yeah, coach Jack Mullaney has 1276 01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:27,120 got these guys right right now. That group is firing on all 1277 01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,840 cylinders come these Rd. races recently. 1278 01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:33,960 And so Adrian is kind of, he doesn't, I guess, because I 1279 01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:36,160 guess of a byproduct of US championships. 1280 01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:39,840 He can't participate in them. But he's probably got to be one 1281 01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,840 of the leaders on that squad given the fact of his success at 1282 01:18:42,840 --> 01:18:47,920 the global stage as well. It gets overlooked how how well 1283 01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:52,560 he's fared at these 10 KS at both the Paris Olympics and, and 1284 01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:57,720 in Tokyo. I I the success on the roads, 1285 01:18:57,720 --> 01:18:58,920 right? Like when we see these things, 1286 01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,440 like we're just so quick to want to push people to run the 1287 01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:03,040 marathon. But I do. 1288 01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:07,120 And it sucks that 2026 is a year that doesn't really have 10 KS 1289 01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:09,840 on the table that I want to know what he's going to potentially 1290 01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:13,440 what he could probably pop off and like on the track again if 1291 01:19:13,440 --> 01:19:17,720 given the chance. So yeah, he's he's a really true 1292 01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,720 talent. Now, the Helen performance 1293 01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:23,880 doesn't necessarily surprise me because she does really well on 1294 01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:26,440 hilly courses like Boston and New York. 1295 01:19:26,440 --> 01:19:29,600 And she's won this race in the past. 1296 01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:34,520 So she has that experience. So if we kind of just sort of 1297 01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:37,840 look year over year, I think Sharon is probably like the 1298 01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:40,960 better example because she won this race last year. 1299 01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:45,440 And I don't believe Helen ran, but I think Sharon, Sharon ran 1300 01:19:45,440 --> 01:19:47,720 faster this year than she did last year. 1301 01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:51,840 And they both ended up running 217 in Boston. 1302 01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:57,800 So if we're just using that as a barometer, then Helen's going to 1303 01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:01,080 be in pretty good shape for London and Sharon's already 1304 01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:03,000 trending in the right direction for Boston. 1305 01:20:03,400 --> 01:20:07,680 So really good sign, especially because they're not, no one's 1306 01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,680 necessarily coming in fresh to the to the New York City half, 1307 01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:16,920 but it's clear that the marathon training is going really, really 1308 01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:17,920 well for them. So. 1309 01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:24,000 That those were the top level, you know, kudos and spotlight on 1310 01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,320 the winners. But the biggest story of the 1311 01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,320 day? Wait, can I get one? 1312 01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:30,920 I want to give just a quick couple thoughts. 1313 01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,960 I love that Helen is running London because to your point, we 1314 01:20:35,960 --> 01:20:40,720 know that she can run hills very well and London is a whole new 1315 01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:43,360 challenge and just how flat and fast it's going to be in 1316 01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:46,120 comparison. And when you consider the field 1317 01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:49,960 that she has to go up against, I mean, is, is London the best 1318 01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,360 women's field we've ever seen assembled? 1319 01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:56,720 Is that fair to say or? Yeah, I mean, you've, you've got 1320 01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:58,800 a sapphire. They just like but. 1321 01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:01,840 This is even better. This is this is crazy. 1322 01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:06,600 You've got just a sapphire Sapphire Helen O'berry. 1323 01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:11,840 Like it's Helen's going to PR every year. 1324 01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:16,440 Whenever she whenever Sidious's graphic comes out of, you know, 1325 01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:20,320 the New York or the Boston fields, it's always listed by 1326 01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,960 PBS. And do you have to scroll so far 1327 01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:27,680 down to find Helen? Because I think it's 221. 1328 01:21:28,280 --> 01:21:30,800 Is it 217? But you can still, I mean, OK, 1329 01:21:30,800 --> 01:21:33,280 217 Boston, which is not what I like. 1330 01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:38,000 That's my anyway. Now you have to all of a sudden 1331 01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:42,360 be ready to run 211 or 7 you're. Saying that for a while that 1332 01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,240 he's like, you know, she could run two. 1333 01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:50,840 I'm looking at workouts, videos on Strava and stuff that she's 1334 01:21:50,840 --> 01:21:54,040 working out with Joe Clecker. Who's the 2? 1335 01:21:54,040 --> 01:22:02,280 Ten guy also Agnes the best pacer of the day she had 1336 01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:05,960 hypothermia after she got treated for it her and. 1337 01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:12,120 And Natasha Rogers, I believe also like, but I think Agnes, 1338 01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:13,600 Agnes made it to the finish, right? 1339 01:22:13,600 --> 01:22:17,880 Like she's in the results. Yeah, I think so. 1340 01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:19,600 But it was, it was, it was rough. 1341 01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:23,240 Yeah. It was a rough day for for. 1342 01:22:23,480 --> 01:22:29,000 13th. 13th with with hypothermia is pretty damn good, yeah. 1343 01:22:30,200 --> 01:22:33,200 Hypothermia once in a race. It's not really fun after it 1344 01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:35,360 hurts your you don't get a good cooldown in. 1345 01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:38,280 Angie had her hair pulled. Did you see that clip too? 1346 01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:43,520 Oh yeah, she was running and well, I guess I don't know who's 1347 01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,080 at fault here because her hair is very long. 1348 01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:48,760 So you could say it was her fault, but then also. 1349 01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:52,480 Own faked and blame. Then Helen's always got, you 1350 01:22:52,480 --> 01:22:56,000 know, the crazy arms going on, and so Helen got a whole handful 1351 01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,360 of Agnes's hair. And so they were tangled for 1352 01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,000 literally I think like a second or two. 1353 01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,520 And you could see that the both of them were smiling and 1354 01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:05,000 laughing afterwards. This is not what I meant when I 1355 01:23:05,000 --> 01:23:07,000 said I want more physicality in racing. 1356 01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:10,320 No, no, no pulling hair. So all right. 1357 01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,760 Go to go to the storyline you want to talk about. 1358 01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:16,200 Yeah, Grant Fisher, half marathon debut, A lot of hype 1359 01:23:16,200 --> 01:23:19,320 coming into this one. And he was, you know, doing the 1360 01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:21,840 podcast rounds. This one. 1361 01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:24,840 He was marketed as the headliner couple months back. 1362 01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:32,920 As you know, kind of part of the reason why he skipped on World 1363 01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:37,520 World cross was the injury in the fall, but then also the 1364 01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:42,680 opportunity to try new things. So he had a shortened indoor 1365 01:23:42,680 --> 01:23:46,640 season, didn't run US indoor championships. 1366 01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:50,120 What did he run? He ran the two mile at Milrose. 1367 01:23:50,640 --> 01:23:53,320 No, no, he didn't remember. He he got sick and pulled out of 1368 01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:58,360 that one and then did his indoor season really even happen it? 1369 01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:00,880 Was a 2K. Oh, just the 2K, Yeah, yeah. 1370 01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:05,360 So it's been a rough couple months, leading or not. 1371 01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:10,240 Not the best lead in to the NYC half because he ends up 1372 01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:14,840 finishing 14th in one hour and 52 seconds. 1373 01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:21,880 So 6052, it was mostly off of A5 week build because he later also 1374 01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:25,080 revealed that he had a bout with pneumonia. 1375 01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:29,800 So he had to recover from that. The he was with the leaders 1376 01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:32,680 through 10 miles and then the wheels just totally fell apart 1377 01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:39,840 in the last 5K. So All in all, if we look at his 1378 01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:46,760 Q1 hasn't necessarily been as good as he is as he hoped. 1379 01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:55,800 And if this was used as a test for the roads, I guess like 1380 01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:57,280 that's how it was even being framed. 1381 01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:00,040 Nike did a whole like video piece on him as well. 1382 01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:03,320 Like this is like the first step towards potentially making 1383 01:25:03,320 --> 01:25:06,480 decision on what he wants to do in 2028, whether it's going to 1384 01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:09,400 be 10K marathon double or all in on the marathon. 1385 01:25:10,680 --> 01:25:13,880 And I don't think you need to rush to make a decision after 1386 01:25:13,880 --> 01:25:16,400 this performance. It was solid. 1387 01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:20,880 When you look at the history of the NYC half people who've made 1388 01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:23,120 their debuts, I think David Monti put this up. 1389 01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:26,920 Yes, there's been a variety of different courses, but he's the 1390 01:25:26,920 --> 01:25:31,600 third fastest, I think behind Mo Farah and Galen Rupp, who ran 1391 01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,400 NYC half different courses in the past. 1392 01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:39,800 So you can't necessarily chalk this up to being a a bad 1393 01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:42,240 performance. It's just like the learning 1394 01:25:42,240 --> 01:25:44,920 curve on the roads. Is is is a real thing. 1395 01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:54,480 I think that if I'm assuming he got a nice payday, yeah, and it 1396 01:25:54,480 --> 01:26:00,440 was hyped up a lot. And I think if it was a low key 1397 01:26:00,440 --> 01:26:03,240 half marathon somewhere, my guess is he would have pushed it 1398 01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:06,240 off because. You and I know like what it's 1399 01:26:06,240 --> 01:26:09,960 like to like crumble under pressure when it comes to, you 1400 01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:14,680 know, adding your own hype to to to races. 1401 01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:19,200 And look, he's he's got the medals, anything he does is 1402 01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:23,160 going to be hyped up. But it sounds like he just had 1403 01:26:23,160 --> 01:26:28,200 very far from a perfect build up and he did his best to still get 1404 01:26:28,200 --> 01:26:33,400 out there. I by no means am going to write 1405 01:26:33,400 --> 01:26:35,440 him off on the roads in the future. 1406 01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:40,160 I think that he probably had a good time, great experience, 1407 01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:43,720 learned a lot from it. I'm sure he is excited to get 1408 01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:48,160 back on the track. And yeah, I just, I don't think 1409 01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:51,560 that much of it, honestly. Like, was it a great 1410 01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:53,640 performance? No, it wasn't terrible. 1411 01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:58,240 It was just a performance. And I think we sometimes get 1412 01:26:58,240 --> 01:27:01,520 caught in how well some people debut on the roads, you know, 1413 01:27:01,680 --> 01:27:05,360 Heptam Samuels running 59 flat and assume that everyone who's 1414 01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:08,080 ever run well on the track will automatically automatically 1415 01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:13,400 translate, but in context. And he was very like transparent 1416 01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:16,160 about what he actually did these last few months. 1417 01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:22,360 It wasn't perfect. So I, I just, it's, I, I hope he 1418 01:27:22,360 --> 01:27:24,960 enjoyed himself. It was really fun and exciting 1419 01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:28,320 to watch and to talk about and speculate on. 1420 01:27:28,320 --> 01:27:31,600 And I hope you got out of it healthy. 1421 01:27:31,800 --> 01:27:36,360 I will say don't love black shoes. 1422 01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:40,640 So Galen had those on too. I think black shoes are slower. 1423 01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:42,760 I think they're slower than white shoes. 1424 01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:45,440 I think there's something about whenever I've looked down on my 1425 01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:50,840 feet and I I think it's white shoes, then lime green shoes and 1426 01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:54,600 then black shoes and red is somewhere in the middle there. 1427 01:27:54,600 --> 01:27:58,680 As well, like those pink has been in the last couple of 1428 01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:01,360 years. Orange. 1429 01:28:02,840 --> 01:28:05,920 Yeah, Where do you maybe throw all the highlighters together? 1430 01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:11,040 OK, But I think like a really clean white shoe is the fastest. 1431 01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:13,040 Where is it when you go black sock, black shoe? 1432 01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:16,560 I just think you look down. It's very brick like, just looks 1433 01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:20,160 heavy. Deslin in one, Boston in all 1434 01:28:20,160 --> 01:28:23,960 blacked out Brooks, so she might be the exception to to. 1435 01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:28,400 This, yeah, but what In what? Time Oh, that's right, you're 1436 01:28:28,760 --> 01:28:35,880 talking about also yeah, I guess like the attention on Grant 1437 01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:43,040 overshadowed the fact that this race had really good Americans 1438 01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:48,400 also in it where Zuhair Talby is someone who's I think it was APB 1439 01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:50,760 for him. But I mean we've seen what he's 1440 01:28:50,760 --> 01:28:54,000 run in the marathon. I'm not shocked that he was a 1441 01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:57,520 top American here. Alex Mayer scared Connor Manses 1442 01:28:57,520 --> 01:29:01,000 American record in the half marathon in Houston and for him 1443 01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:05,920 to run 5951 and finish 4th. I'm going to be very interested 1444 01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:11,360 to and am I leaning against like could I could I pick Alex Mayer 1445 01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:14,680 to be top American in Boston? I don't know, like I need to see 1446 01:29:14,920 --> 01:29:18,360 how Conor man's estrava unfolds over the next couple weeks. 1447 01:29:18,680 --> 01:29:21,720 But this was very, very good by him. 1448 01:29:22,040 --> 01:29:25,640 And I think like yes, the Grant hype overshadowed the fact that 1449 01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:29,560 it's like no actually like in his first go around, he may not 1450 01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:33,680 necessarily be Alex Mayer or or Zuhair Talbi. 1451 01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:36,760 He's got the credentials on the track that say he should. 1452 01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:41,240 But in your first go around when you're learning to fuel to 1453 01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:45,680 handle the pace shifts and the surges and all that kind of 1454 01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:53,480 stuff on the roads, Yeah. I think like the public and us 1455 01:29:53,480 --> 01:29:55,720 included, I guess in just sort of adding to the hype, 1456 01:29:55,720 --> 01:29:58,400 overlooked the fact of the American depth in this one was 1457 01:29:58,400 --> 01:30:00,720 also really good North American depth in this one. 1458 01:30:00,720 --> 01:30:03,600 Because I'll give Rory Linklater running 60 flat also being a 1459 01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:07,080 really good sign. Joe Clecker, 60O2, big step 1460 01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:11,920 forward for him. So yeah, this is is a really 1461 01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:15,320 good race. I saw Rory after and he was 1462 01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:19,560 saying that there were so many surges the entire race that 1463 01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:24,280 people are just the pace was so far from consistent and really 1464 01:30:24,280 --> 01:30:25,720 felt it. And then just something I always 1465 01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:30,480 appreciate about the NYC half in the fall is just man, we're 1466 01:30:30,480 --> 01:30:33,240 racing. Forget Todd, like we're just out 1467 01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:36,920 here. If you want rabbits, go 1468 01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:39,400 somewhere else here. We're racing. 1469 01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:43,000 I think my only thing with NYC half is if if they just found a 1470 01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:48,800 way to make it record eligible, it would maybe add to the allure 1471 01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:50,400 and more. I mean, not that we need people 1472 01:30:50,400 --> 01:30:51,520 to try and sign up for this thing. 1473 01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:54,680 There's 30,000 people. It's really hard to get into 1474 01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:58,320 this and the New York City Marathon, but from it, it adds 1475 01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:00,320 to a lot of confusion. Like the number of people I 1476 01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,840 think I've seen over the last couple days being like, oh, 1477 01:31:02,840 --> 01:31:05,640 especially like even someone like Megan Keith's performance. 1478 01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:09,440 It would probably be the way up there on the British all time 1479 01:31:09,440 --> 01:31:11,520 list. But it doesn't necessarily 1480 01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:12,880 count. But they also have that same 1481 01:31:12,880 --> 01:31:16,480 problem with like the Great North Run or Great S run, one of 1482 01:31:16,520 --> 01:31:20,520 those two that has like crazy like that's crazy downhill or 1483 01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:22,960 whatever it might be. So I would. 1484 01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:27,280 I just wish for the sake of clarity that this one was record 1485 01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:29,880 eligible. All right, here's my new course 1486 01:31:30,600 --> 01:31:35,280 starting the West Side Highway. You go all the way down, you 1487 01:31:35,280 --> 01:31:40,600 just hug. You come back up the FDR and 1488 01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:47,360 then you run across Central Park South and you finish back on the 1489 01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:49,960 West Side Highway. Somewhere in there you can maybe 1490 01:31:49,960 --> 01:31:55,440 turn that into 13 miles. Maybe, but why would you go up 1491 01:31:55,440 --> 01:32:00,080 to Central Park? Just as because you have to loop 1492 01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:04,600 it to make it record eligible or so guarantee that it would be 1493 01:32:04,840 --> 01:32:06,960 record eligible. Oh yeah, you can't just. 1494 01:32:06,960 --> 01:32:08,720 Do. Hey, go out on the West side 1495 01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:12,240 highway for. Start in the Bronx and run 1496 01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:15,120 straight down Broadway until you've hit 13 miles. 1497 01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:19,400 Let's say that that that would have been a fun lap count 1498 01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:21,240 segment. Maybe this is this is a this is 1499 01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:26,240 a Paul Snyder like design a new NYC half that's record eligible 1500 01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:28,960 and come up. With a Yeah. 1501 01:32:31,800 --> 01:32:36,640 All right, the final topic that I wanted to talk about in on 1502 01:32:36,640 --> 01:32:40,880 this episode is some big news that happened today. 1503 01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:50,360 It was the AIU making this announcement that Adeja Hodge, 1504 01:32:50,400 --> 01:32:57,040 who was the NCAA champion in the 200 and the runner up in the 60 1505 01:32:57,040 --> 01:33:00,560 meters, contributed major points to Georgia this past weekend to 1506 01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:03,600 win the NCAA Indoor Championship team title. 1507 01:33:04,600 --> 01:33:08,800 She received a two year ban after testing positive for a 1508 01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:13,480 prohibited substance, but that two year ban was shortened by 1509 01:33:13,480 --> 01:33:17,080 seven months after she provided substantial assistance to the 1510 01:33:17,160 --> 01:33:20,920 anti doping investigators. She tested positive for 1511 01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:27,120 metabolites of GW 501516. If that sounds familiar, that's 1512 01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:32,920 also because a couple years ago, Isama Singa, the Montverd 1513 01:33:33,440 --> 01:33:38,640 sprinter and also a Deja Hodges teammate there, tested positive 1514 01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:43,880 for GW1516 in August 2023. He's currently serving a four 1515 01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:46,000 year ban. This that story took a whole 1516 01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:49,200 turn where he was appealing and claimed that it stemmed from 1517 01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:53,640 contaminated Gatorade gummies and then Cass rejected that. 1518 01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:59,280 In addition to that, the coach of Montverde Academy, Gerald 1519 01:33:59,280 --> 01:34:03,040 Fiery, was suspended after the AIU alleged that he possessed 1520 01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:06,400 multiple banned substances and three of his high school 1521 01:34:06,400 --> 01:34:10,080 athletes tested positive for GW 1516. 1522 01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:13,840 We knew it was a Sama Singha. The second one that we've 1523 01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:17,320 learned from the AIU is Deja Hodge. 1524 01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:23,320 Now, there's also this case that is at Cass involving Skylar 1525 01:34:23,320 --> 01:34:25,480 Franklin, who was also sprinter at Montverd. 1526 01:34:25,480 --> 01:34:28,360 She's now at LSU. She did not compete at all in 1527 01:34:28,360 --> 01:34:34,000 2025, similar to Deja Hodge, but she reportedly, according to 1528 01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:39,560 some Jamaican TV and several media outlets out there, tested 1529 01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:44,680 positive for the same substance at the Jamaican championships in 1530 01:34:44,680 --> 01:34:48,720 2024. Their AIU hasn't announced her, 1531 01:34:48,720 --> 01:34:51,400 but those are presumably the three athletes. 1532 01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:58,000 And now this announcement comes. Yes, just two days after a big, 1533 01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:02,280 big moment in her career and a celebratory moment for the 1534 01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:07,680 University of Georgia. But in as a result of the 1535 01:35:08,080 --> 01:35:13,560 suspension, she loses a bunch of results from August 28th, 2024, 1536 01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:17,640 when she tested positive at the U20 Championships in Lima, Peru, 1537 01:35:18,600 --> 01:35:27,600 all the way through August 2026. So she loses her world U20 gold 1538 01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:30,640 medal in the 200 that's going to be handed down to Tori Lewis of 1539 01:35:30,640 --> 01:35:35,280 Australia and her silver medal in the 100 at those U20 1540 01:35:35,280 --> 01:35:39,440 Championships. Now, there was a ton of outrage, 1541 01:35:39,440 --> 01:35:44,040 I think on social media after this announcement because of the 1542 01:35:44,040 --> 01:35:47,840 timing of it. I think people are upset because 1543 01:35:47,920 --> 01:35:53,320 they believe that this was, you know, an only announced now 1544 01:35:53,320 --> 01:35:56,720 because she had this big weekend for Georgia. 1545 01:35:57,200 --> 01:36:00,840 Other people are just in general upset at the fact that this was 1546 01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:04,640 quote UN quote, a silent ban and that we're only learning of it 1547 01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:07,680 now. So a lot of people upset for a 1548 01:36:07,680 --> 01:36:10,640 variety of different reasons. People upset at Citius Mag for 1549 01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:15,040 posting the graphic about it. We're just informing people what 1550 01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:17,240 the AIU announced. We weren't the ones who 1551 01:36:17,240 --> 01:36:19,480 necessarily uncovered this whole entire thing. 1552 01:36:21,440 --> 01:36:23,520 But that's what that's what happened. 1553 01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:25,680 And it's really, really unfortunate. 1554 01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:29,920 And part of the reason why I believe that it took a while for 1555 01:36:29,920 --> 01:36:34,880 this to go public is because Deja Hodge was a minor when all 1556 01:36:34,880 --> 01:36:37,280 of this was taking place at Montverde and. 1557 01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:44,880 Was she in August 2024, though? That's when she that was when 1558 01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:47,400 she got caught. No, but I think correct part of 1559 01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:54,240 the what she was the. Or like arguing was 'cause she 1560 01:36:54,320 --> 01:36:57,400 she would have been 18 at U 20s. Yeah. 1561 01:36:58,120 --> 01:37:00,760 So let me I guess kind of explain part of the my 1562 01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:03,920 assumption as to why this thing is getting announced. 1563 01:37:03,920 --> 01:37:07,720 Now, their World Athletics has this rule that explains that 1564 01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:11,400 they have when when they have to publicly announce doping cases. 1565 01:37:11,960 --> 01:37:16,680 And it basically says that these it has to be announced within 20 1566 01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:18,800 days after a case is fully resolved. 1567 01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:23,840 That's when appeals are done or a sanction has been announced. 1568 01:37:24,560 --> 01:37:28,520 And that's when the AIU will fire off its tweet about it. 1569 01:37:29,480 --> 01:37:33,840 They'll tell people what what the doping violation was, who, 1570 01:37:33,960 --> 01:37:37,280 who did it and what's the banned substance, and then how long 1571 01:37:37,280 --> 01:37:40,000 they're going to be serving a suspension for if it's not a 1572 01:37:40,000 --> 01:37:44,240 provisional suspension. But in the rule book, which 1573 01:37:44,240 --> 01:37:50,120 we're not throwing out, not this one, it says that if you 1574 01:37:50,120 --> 01:37:55,440 announce the, if announcing the case would break any other laws, 1575 01:37:55,720 --> 01:38:00,200 especially privacy laws, then they're allowed to delay the 1576 01:38:00,200 --> 01:38:04,760 public announcement. So in a Dasia's case, the reason 1577 01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:10,200 for the delay is probably because of those privacy 1578 01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:15,120 protections, because the investigation likely involved 1579 01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:19,080 events that took place while she was 17 and in high school. 1580 01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:22,200 So she would be considered a quote UN quote like protected 1581 01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:27,360 person in these anti doping rules because this investigation 1582 01:38:27,360 --> 01:38:33,640 tied into her high school coach. And it's probably based on, you 1583 01:38:34,160 --> 01:38:37,040 know, some of the stuff that she provided to investigators. 1584 01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:42,080 And they all concluded that she likely took this banned 1585 01:38:42,080 --> 01:38:47,240 substance unintentionally. So whatever the hell Gerald Fury 1586 01:38:47,240 --> 01:38:52,760 was doing to these athletes, I think we have this Rochenkov Act 1587 01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:57,360 here in the United States that prosecutes people criminally for 1588 01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:02,960 administering, you know, banned substances and, you know, 1589 01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:07,920 facilitating doping in sport. I think he should, I think he 1590 01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:12,320 should be charged with that because it's crazy what he did 1591 01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:16,800 to Islamisinga, to Deja Hodge and to Skylar Franklin. 1592 01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:22,080 There's so many things that are upsetting about this. 1593 01:39:23,400 --> 01:39:28,880 I mean, Deja has the most exciting moment of her career. 1594 01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:31,000 She went in subway title and the personal best. 1595 01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:37,040 And days later this comes out and, you know, just in class 1596 01:39:37,040 --> 01:39:40,080 today and probably being celebrated and all of a sudden 1597 01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:42,360 this news breaks. So you feel terrible in that 1598 01:39:42,360 --> 01:39:44,200 situation and let me hit pause there. 1599 01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:46,960 For a second with with just sort of like a deja as the person 1600 01:39:47,040 --> 01:39:50,480 because we got to know her while she was in high school and she 1601 01:39:50,480 --> 01:39:54,920 was such a such a nice kid. She's is a probably a very, very 1602 01:39:54,920 --> 01:40:00,520 nice kid, straight A student did a lot to give back to her family 1603 01:40:00,520 --> 01:40:04,520 and people who supported her, you know, at the in the British 1604 01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:07,640 Virgin Islands, which which is the country she represents at 1605 01:40:07,640 --> 01:40:10,200 the World Championships and at the Olympics. 1606 01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:15,640 Mack and I went to Mont Verde Academy and we did a video with 1607 01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:19,960 Adesia and Coach Ferry. We've since, you know, archived 1608 01:40:19,960 --> 01:40:24,760 it because it just doesn't sit well with us anymore and. 1609 01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:30,000 Part of it is like, we got to talk to her a bunch and she was 1610 01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:33,160 like a prefect on the Montford campus, like just a great all 1611 01:40:33,160 --> 01:40:37,200 around like kid. And when you're that young, you 1612 01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:43,680 are trusting your coach. And yeah, he was just part of 1613 01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:48,840 the AI US provisional suspension of Coach Fury was that he had 1614 01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:51,840 this stuff as he had. He possessed some of these 1615 01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:56,240 banned substances as an athlete and then was caught with it at 1616 01:40:56,240 --> 01:40:58,280 one of these championships. I believe it could have even 1617 01:40:58,280 --> 01:41:02,120 been the Paris Olympics or the World Championships in Budapest 1618 01:41:02,120 --> 01:41:04,560 when a deja was competing at those events. 1619 01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:08,840 I, I don't have all of the details and I'm sure there's 1620 01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:11,800 more things that are going to come out, but it does seem it's 1621 01:41:11,800 --> 01:41:16,760 unfortunate because a lot of people are really upset at her 1622 01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:20,560 right now because they probably don't even understand exactly 1623 01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:24,960 what happened. And granted, when she tested 1624 01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:29,360 positive, she was 18. But this isn't this like clearly 1625 01:41:29,360 --> 01:41:32,000 just a high school coach taking advantage of kids? 1626 01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:37,120 And at what point do we revisit Asama Singa's whole situation 1627 01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:40,160 here? Because he, he's probably, he 1628 01:41:40,160 --> 01:41:41,280 got. Why the hell did I? 1629 01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:42,800 Yeah, like, why did I get banned? 1630 01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:44,720 I don't understand. It must have been the thing I 1631 01:41:44,720 --> 01:41:46,280 took. And he was probably searching 1632 01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:51,000 for answers as people do. And now looking back, if he's 1633 01:41:51,000 --> 01:41:54,800 coming, I mean, I haven't heard anything from him, but I'm sure 1634 01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:57,720 he's probably sitting there being like, what the hell did I 1635 01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:00,280 do? Like, my coach did something to 1636 01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:02,840 me. And obviously, at some level in 1637 01:42:02,840 --> 01:42:05,120 sport, you have to take responsibility, right? 1638 01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:08,440 Like, yeah, and it's complicated because you're 18, so 1639 01:42:08,440 --> 01:42:12,320 technically by the law, in many ways you're an adult, but like, 1640 01:42:12,320 --> 01:42:14,360 come on. Like you're in high school. 1641 01:42:14,360 --> 01:42:20,400 It's just a complicated thing. Like we're putting 18I I it's 1642 01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:23,960 just, it's if you're 17, like I didn't turn 18 till I was 1643 01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:27,000 college. So if my high school coach dope 1644 01:42:27,000 --> 01:42:30,520 me, then like I'm a victim. But if I had turned 18 by the 1645 01:42:30,520 --> 01:42:35,240 time I graduated, then I'm it's just, I don't know, I don't 1646 01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:37,440 like. So in particular, it's very 1647 01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:39,360 messy. I'm glad you brought up the is a 1648 01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:45,360 single case and where it stands now, because I do think now in 1649 01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:48,880 retrospect, there's a level of deception from coach Fury 1650 01:42:48,880 --> 01:42:55,040 probably feeding the the contaminated Gatorade gummy 1651 01:42:55,040 --> 01:43:00,400 defense. And you know, is is the first 1652 01:43:00,400 --> 01:43:03,800 one to pop the positive and he's probably seeking answers. 1653 01:43:03,800 --> 01:43:06,160 And you go, you turn to your coach and he's the one who 1654 01:43:06,160 --> 01:43:10,600 probably fed this is speculation on my side of things, probably 1655 01:43:10,600 --> 01:43:13,040 fed this defense like, no, this is how we're going to fight it. 1656 01:43:13,400 --> 01:43:16,760 And you lawyer up. You get I think it was like Paul 1657 01:43:16,760 --> 01:43:20,720 Green was the lawyer who did I think the Shelby case as well to 1658 01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:25,240 put up this big battle. You know, we're see Gatorade is 1659 01:43:25,240 --> 01:43:28,200 brought into this whole entire thing and they're looking for 1660 01:43:28,520 --> 01:43:31,600 all the gummies that defense gets just totally shut down. 1661 01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:34,120 It had its holes in it too. I'll give them like there. 1662 01:43:34,200 --> 01:43:40,000 There were some issues also with like the the the whole Gatorade. 1663 01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:44,920 Well, clearly it's not true. But in the end, like I'm, I'm, I 1664 01:43:44,920 --> 01:43:47,200 have to trust the Court of Arbitration for Sport and their 1665 01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:51,840 ruling and, and how they looked into all of this and determined 1666 01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:55,600 like, no, like there's just no way that would have been what 1667 01:43:55,600 --> 01:43:59,920 caused all of this. And I don't think Assam is the 1668 01:43:59,920 --> 01:44:03,040 one who probably thought this up in it. 1669 01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:08,480 And so because he fought hard to the AIU, to World Athletics, to 1670 01:44:08,480 --> 01:44:14,360 the to cast against AIU and World Athletics to cast and you 1671 01:44:14,360 --> 01:44:18,400 lose, you lose big and you end up getting four years. 1672 01:44:18,720 --> 01:44:23,720 And so now I believe, I have no idea where he's at right now. 1673 01:44:23,760 --> 01:44:25,680 I have no idea if he's still at Texas. 1674 01:44:25,680 --> 01:44:27,600 He's still training. He is still training. 1675 01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:30,960 He has an alternate Instagram account that is basically him 1676 01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:35,560 like on revenge tour and trying to make it back. 1677 01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:42,840 But so like there is adults out there who have probably had 1678 01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:45,520 coaches or agents that have tampered with the things that 1679 01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:49,680 they're taking. And those are also situations 1680 01:44:49,680 --> 01:44:52,720 that likely exist. A 30 year old athlete who is, 1681 01:44:52,760 --> 01:44:55,880 you know, rubbed during a massage. 1682 01:44:55,880 --> 01:44:58,640 And now they are caught with something and we don't give them 1683 01:44:58,640 --> 01:45:01,000 the same grace. But it there's just something 1684 01:45:01,000 --> 01:45:03,760 about it's like this is like, and you're responsible for the 1685 01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:06,120 people you surround yourself with and the things you take and 1686 01:45:06,120 --> 01:45:09,360 the people who you allow to coach you and your associate 1687 01:45:09,360 --> 01:45:10,800 with. But like this is just where they 1688 01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:15,840 go to high school and it just seems like I don't know, I feel 1689 01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:17,560 really bad. Like I. 1690 01:45:17,560 --> 01:45:20,720 Don't I don't know how to ingest GW 1516. 1691 01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:25,760 Like if your coach is is handing you like, hey, like these are 1692 01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:28,400 your personal water bottles. Like take this like every single 1693 01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:31,360 day. I'm just thinking like, OK, this 1694 01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:34,240 is my water bottle, right? Like I have no idea how this 1695 01:45:34,240 --> 01:45:38,320 could have happened. You just trust the institution 1696 01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:41,320 you belong to, to like be hiring the right people. 1697 01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:47,000 And I I just, I don't know, I feel like this just seems like 1698 01:45:47,000 --> 01:45:53,520 such an icky situation. And the fact I like, look again, 1699 01:45:53,520 --> 01:45:55,880 we don't have all the details, but from what it seems like, it 1700 01:45:55,880 --> 01:45:58,960 seems like it was a code taking advantage of children. 1701 01:45:59,040 --> 01:46:02,640 And the fact that an NCAA champ is currently getting hate for 1702 01:46:02,640 --> 01:46:05,400 this and that there's another kid who possibly sitting on the 1703 01:46:05,400 --> 01:46:08,240 sidelines for four years for something he unknowingly 1704 01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:10,480 ingested because he trusted an adult in the room. 1705 01:46:10,560 --> 01:46:17,560 Like it just I hate it. And then the other thing is once 1706 01:46:17,560 --> 01:46:20,240 you've taken stuff that doesn't. Yeah, right. 1707 01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:23,520 That's the other part that I think other people are probably 1708 01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:26,080 there's so many different pockets of things to be upset 1709 01:46:26,080 --> 01:46:27,800 about. It's like, OK, so once you did 1710 01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:30,600 take that like and you served your your time, you're 1711 01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:32,680 presumably training through that whole entire time. 1712 01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:35,720 Then you come back and two days after the suspension's over, you 1713 01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:39,640 storm back and you're already crushing it at SEC's and then 1714 01:46:40,160 --> 01:46:45,160 NCA as and it's like, OK, how much did you benefit from what 1715 01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:49,040 you did take in the past? And that's also where maybe if 1716 01:46:49,040 --> 01:46:53,280 you're one of the 200m or 60 meter runners in the NCA, you're 1717 01:46:53,840 --> 01:46:56,880 pretty upset that that athlete is competing against you. 1718 01:46:59,040 --> 01:47:03,960 I don't like any of it and I feel like everyone's upset no 1719 01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:06,440 one is happy here. This is just all around insanely 1720 01:47:06,440 --> 01:47:11,240 bad situation. Yeah, and the I mean, it's not, 1721 01:47:11,440 --> 01:47:17,280 it's not entirely resolved yet because Coach Fury's suspension 1722 01:47:17,280 --> 01:47:21,960 when it was announced last year, I think was a provisional 1723 01:47:21,960 --> 01:47:24,160 suspension and it didn't necessarily say so. 1724 01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:28,520 I don't know what you get from for for this right when three of 1725 01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:33,000 your athletes like pop positives and you're probably the reason 1726 01:47:33,000 --> 01:47:34,760 why like it should be a lifetime ban. 1727 01:47:35,480 --> 01:47:38,520 I don't see, I don't like, I won't be happy if it's just 1728 01:47:38,520 --> 01:47:39,800 eight years or something like that. 1729 01:47:40,680 --> 01:47:45,320 This overall is like a huge concern with the money that is 1730 01:47:45,320 --> 01:47:48,800 in the sport at a young level now, like as if scholarships. 1731 01:47:49,680 --> 01:47:51,040 It's scary. Yeah. 1732 01:47:52,120 --> 01:47:54,400 I mean, wasn't there a situation of a parent? 1733 01:47:56,240 --> 01:47:57,800 Am I making this up in this case? 1734 01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:01,120 Wasn't there like a not in this case, but wasn't there a case 1735 01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:04,560 earlier this year were a parent? Oh, there was like a high school 1736 01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:09,280 coach in Texas and his like, doping who was like sanctioned 1737 01:48:09,280 --> 01:48:11,600 by USADA for doping his son or something like that. 1738 01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:14,200 Yeah, like what are we doing at? 16 or something like that. 1739 01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:18,280 Crazy. Do you have any positive news 1740 01:48:18,280 --> 01:48:21,800 stories to go out on Chris? Positive news stories to go out 1741 01:48:21,800 --> 01:48:27,480 on from this past weekend. No, only bad things. 1742 01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:32,320 No, I think that that's it. Make something up. 1743 01:48:33,320 --> 01:48:38,120 Well, Tori Lewis posted that she was happy that now she's the 200 1744 01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:41,760 meter world champion from the 2024 World U20 Championships. 1745 01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:44,880 But that comes as a consequence of the bad news, I guess that we 1746 01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:51,600 just shared good news. No lead car went off course this 1747 01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:58,520 past weekend and every half marathon, to my knowledge, was 1748 01:48:58,520 --> 01:49:01,760 run well. That's the. 1749 01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:05,360 Mondo tracker that we now have of last time since he. 1750 01:49:05,440 --> 01:49:06,600 Yeah. So for the folks who are 1751 01:49:06,600 --> 01:49:10,040 curious, like there is now an actual website free pub to 1752 01:49:10,040 --> 01:49:13,640 whoever made this, they probably you know, I don't know Claude 1753 01:49:13,640 --> 01:49:20,320 code this thing days since Mondo broke the wr.com is a daily 1754 01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:22,880 tracker That's that has the number of days since. 1755 01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:23,760 What are we at? Broke. 1756 01:49:23,760 --> 01:49:26,600 The world record, we're at four or five. 1757 01:49:27,080 --> 01:49:28,800 Hold on, you cut out there for a SEC. 1758 01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:32,440 All right, Well, it seems like I lost Kyle after he was 1759 01:49:32,440 --> 01:49:37,080 suggesting a sister website for the Mondo website. 1760 01:49:37,080 --> 01:49:41,000 So on that note, this one has been a long one, but a lot 1761 01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:42,480 happened over the last couple days. 1762 01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:45,720 Thanks everyone for listening to this week in track and field, 1763 01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:47,400 I've been Chris Chavez with Kyle Merber. 1764 01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:50,560 We will see you in just a couple days. 1765 01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:55,160 We will have a full World Indoor Championship preview with Preet 1766 01:49:55,320 --> 01:50:00,840 rejoining the pod. And yeah, so we will be back in 1767 01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:02,440 in your feeds in just a couple days. 1768 01:50:02,440 --> 01:50:06,560 We also have a big interview this week with a pro, so stay 1769 01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:09,240 tuned on that. Be sure to be following and 1770 01:50:09,240 --> 01:50:12,680 subscribed to the Cities Back podcast and we'll see you next 1771 01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:16,160 time. All right, that's a wrap on 1772 01:50:16,160 --> 01:50:18,440 today's episode. Thanks for listening, for the 1773 01:50:18,440 --> 01:50:21,400 time, the curiosity, and for making this show part of your 1774 01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:24,520 routine or your run. Big thanks to our producer 1775 01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:27,360 Jasmine Fair and to everyone behind the scenes who helps make 1776 01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:30,520 the Citius Mag Podcast happen. 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