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It is January 12th. 
I'm Chris Chavez. 

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I'm pretty much, yeah. 
And we're back with another 

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episode of This Week in track 
and field. 

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We're not going to spend a ton 
of time recapping the 2026 World

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Cross Country Championships 
because myself, Eric and Aisha 

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did that on Saturday right from 
the course. 

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So if you're looking for our 
recap of the races that took 

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place down in Tallahassee, you 
can go and find that in the most

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previous in the previous episode
to this where we recorded it 

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from our amazing set that we had
built out by ASICS. 

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And yeah, but I, I figured we 
would kick things off for this 

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episode with getting your 
thoughts, Preet, on the 

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broadcast side of things, which 
I kind of was, you know, as I 

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was at the race scrolling on 
Twitter, there were quite a bit 

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of complaints I I felt like from
people really struggling to 

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follow the action in this one. 
What was your experience 

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watching the races? 
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I think there's probably 
stepping back. 

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There's probably a couple of 
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I think it looked like, and from
all the feedback that everyone's

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been giving from being on site, 
it was an amazing event to be 

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there on site for. 
It was a lot of fun and, and it 

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looked like it was, you know, 
very well organised and all of 

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that. 
And I think the issue with the 

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very fun course that you had was
that when there was no way to 

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have, like we normally do on a 
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normally have a bike or a buggy 
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the runners to capture the 
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That obviously was not possible 
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The man made hill, the ray, the,
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mud, all of that stuff for the, 
the, the water pit. 

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But, and there were and, and the
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And obviously there was no, and 
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no space alongside the course 
for that for, for, for the 

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buggy, the bike to run along 
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So that made it a little bit 
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the camera to follow along. 
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getting to see was either from 
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placed at each of the obstacles 
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or from drone footage. 
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footage was because of the 
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runners so the drone operator 
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because they if they've been 
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you get drone footage of a race,
the drone will go in front of 

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the runners and then just 
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But we couldn't have that either
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the drone would just fly 
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drone operation wouldn't be I'll
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blame them like I understand the
logistics of it, but the problem

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was that we then spent a very 
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the race in the relay. 
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overhead shots of the runners. 
I think the commentator, Hannah 

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England, she couldn't even tell 
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was going on. 
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with that as the race went on. 
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kind of missing large chunks of 
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basically just be stuck on the 
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obstacles, then maybe move to 
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move to the next obstacle 
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But it meant you got to see more
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behind, which is probably quite 
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other broadcasters. 
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other runners behind the front 
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But at the same time, I think we
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It was hard to follow the race. 
It it it wasn't as easy. 

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And obviously the other 
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no live splits. 
The graphics like if you compare

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to NCAA cross right where you 
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results, the live kind of 
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screen, which just makes it such
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because you know what's going on
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If you can't see it on screen, 
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only going to be seeing one bit 
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The cross country race, the joy 
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were progressing throughout the 
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And we got 0 information. 
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10 runners at, you know, at, at 
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about it. 
So it wasn't that easy to follow

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that from someone that was just 
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usually on Twitter. 
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US prides itself on always 
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and stuff. 
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great job with the NCAA cross 
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you can't do it for the world 
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providing like live team updates
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And I was like, why are you 
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to do with the broadcast? 
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scouting the course the previous
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with one of the camera operators
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of the people going over the the
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And he was, I think visiting 
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And this was, you know, World 
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produced I believe by Car Hughes
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it's deep in Shah's team, the 
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the data that they do to provide
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So different live results system
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And so, yeah, I mean, sometimes 
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done in house and but so there 
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those would be frustrating. 
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experience because being there 
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I was thinking it was the live 
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updates. 
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team scores, but what we were 
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expertise of Kerry Tollefson and
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announcers all along the course.
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so that even if you were, you 
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the woods, you'd still be able 
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And the other, I guess I wrote 
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newsletter with the parting 
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cross country was that I mean, 
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on a tough assignment to handle 
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herself for the broadcast. 
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you know, there were plans to 
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then that was kind of changed in
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world cross. 
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assignment fell on Hannah and I 
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the races. 
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also super familiar with the 
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State. 
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great job. 
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as awesome an experience 
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Maybe that's incentive to be 
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the, the 2029 edition of World 
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was scratching our heads 
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And I, I think I misspoke saying
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like the Olympic year, but it 
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to be in 2029, the next edition 
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Like for sure, even though World
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odd number years in December of 
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release, I believe. 
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last month, Sebco said that 
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So this was so successful that I
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Tallahassee established itself 
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in 2027 again, like let them 
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And 2029, let's keep let's keep 
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But it was it was a lot of fun. 
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harped on toward the end of our 
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were incredible. 
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US club cross country 
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next day and being able to bring
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the country who are already, you
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and, and running nerds to to be 
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So yeah, it's a valuable asset. 
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try and draw more crowds to 
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So yeah, but did you have any 
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we didn't talk about in our post
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Well, I was going to say NC 
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needed a full scorer, but they 
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So that that was really good. 
Hannah Gates, Grace Hartman, 

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Phoebe Anderson, all around very
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Both orphan, the Wolf Pack. 
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So that's pretty. 
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storyline that I, I, I saw. 
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I mean, it was, it was obviously
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you know, the likes of a Jimmy 
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placing as hard as we'd want. 
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lot of fun races. 
I, I really, really enjoyed, you

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know, you know, once you got 
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the races as such. 
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people like Lauren Ryan, who is 
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course, placed really well, 
worked her way through the field

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really well and and placed 
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race in 13th place. 
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think there's, there's something
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But yeah, no, not, not nothing, 
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I did love, I, I do think the 
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I did really enjoy it. 
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you fit that in? 
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We got a decent turn out for 
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decent turn out. 
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be a struggle when it's, you 
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say March, maybe that changes 
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and, and different people doing 
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I, I think it is a little bit 
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that it doesn't clash with wild 
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But then there will be European 
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So there's all kinds of odd 
things that will, it will still 

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clash with stuff. 
So you can't, you're not always 

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going to get, you know, you're 
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prioritizing different things. 
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unfortunate part is just with a 
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outdoors marathons, that cross 
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downplayed a little bit and 
it'll just never be perfect in 

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terms of just like the 
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We even, I think in our group 
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for a country with so many sub 
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really isn't good at cross 
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And then we're just like, well, 
that's because like, was it less

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than two weeks ago they were all
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And just imagine that talent 
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cross country. 
I'm sure they would feel the 

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much stronger team. 
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mean so much more traditionally 
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So yeah, it'll just never be 
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And I did feel like there there 
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from, from this event to 
hopefully, you know, give it 

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some more love moving forward. 
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that there were athletes who 
watched it and we're like, yeah,

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I'm having FOMO and I wish I was
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I'll try and be there for, for 
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So we'll see if anything changes
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know, implementing a world cross
in 2027. 

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I, I think, might be doubtful 
just because of what we would 

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give it less than a year to plan
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committee to try and pull it 
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They did it at like 6-6 months 
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change the venue for for 
Belgrade right last last time it

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it was terrible. 
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replacement wasn't wasn't great,
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and stuff. 
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Cross is what happened in your 
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great question. 

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decided, hey, we're going to try
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party will Lear, Ayesha's 
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community. 
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up on his Instagram story of him
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everyone else. 
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like Eric, Mack, Will and Aisha,
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instinctual competitor within 
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the start of a race. 
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everybody in the field to the 
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let Chris get away. 
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I'm, I'm, I'm pulling all the 
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hydrated enough. 
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Eric pulled away and Eric was 
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for the City of smack team. 
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been able to find anything. 
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top team. 
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you know, all of us outfitted 
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we managed to keep both of our 
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So those super blasts came home 
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All right, Should we move over 
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it was a bummer for me 'cause I 
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were races were going on, but I 
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results and I was blown away. 
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really, really fast day of 
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champion, making his Rd. racing 
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winning the whole half marathon 
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believe is the fastest half 
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current or former NCAA athlete. 
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Did you catch, I guess sort of 
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one period? 
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marathon. 
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time was his stat, yeah. 
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That's a really good stat. 
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So that was it. 
That's a pretty impressive stat 

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I saw on Twitter. 
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who it was. 
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but very, very, very impressive 
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likes of Jacob, Kapimo, 
etcetera. 

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So, you know he's in good 
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We're going to get to this I 
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and we figured it would be a 
really fun topic, but the are 

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way too early 2028 US Olympic 
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women's team. 
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off of like this past weekend in
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where we're at. 
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about Hampton Samuel is that 
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US citizenship or at least like 
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United States maybe by 2028. 
Like, it could be a possibility.

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I never know with these things. 
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always hoping that Edward 
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turn out in time for the 
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And then it never did. 
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States in 2028, Oh my heavens. 
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insane. 
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already US citizenship and made 
a pretty big statement this past

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weekend is Alex Mayer, who 
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moves to #2 on the US all time 
list for the half marathon. 

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Casey Klinger not that far 
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all time list in. 
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debut at the half marathon, 
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already run a full marathon. 
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we've had Conor Mance 5915 in 
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5934 Casey Clinger Ryan Ford was
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Bohr in this in last year was 
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the sub 60 club goes 5957 in 
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record eligible on a record 
eligible course. 

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miniseries hyping up the 
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to #4 on the all time list. 
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tricky to find a good 
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why not like it's a good way to 
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ready for a spring marathon. 
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December, January will be those 
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half marathon. 
But I mean really we're US is 

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making progress because like for
a while that list was just tough

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to to see in comparison to some 
other countries. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
I mean, I, I think it is very 

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impressive that we got what was 
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one race. 
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more than, you know, had five 
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which is, which is all six guys 
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So that's, that's really, really
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Obviously is, is part of the 
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times coming down with the shoes
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But it's still hugely impressive
because we weren't seeing it 

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until now. 
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waiting for that to sort of 
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good to see it finally kind of 
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I mean, I'm also intrigued to 
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to look to change his 
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he's obviously joined the Lac 
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So yeah, I don't know if he's 
going to be also moving in that 

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direction. 
Yeah, I mean, he went to 

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Arkansas. 
He's been based here in this 

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country for for a while now. 
So, yeah, that would be another 

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one where it's like, OK, we are 
just going to be super loaded in

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the marathon come 2028 and then 
we'll talk more about it later 

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on in the episode. 
There are some track stars as 

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well that we could probably 
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So Houston absolutely delivered 
on the men's side. 

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think from Taylor Rowe, the US 
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year, goes one O 620 moves to #2
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Wayne Kulati. 
Wayne Kulati, who had pretty 

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rough day out in Tallahassee, is
going to give the half marathon 

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a go next month at the Barcelona
half. 

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And I chatted with her briefly 
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of saw her as I was going to go 
pick up my bib. 

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And she'd said that she like 
blacked out the whole entire 

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final lap. 
And it makes more sense when you

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look at just sort of like where 
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she finished. 
And there were some videos that 

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I think I saw on some people's 
Instagram stories of just the 

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struggle for her to get over the
final alligator barriers, Like 

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she was, you know, kind of 
losing her footing a little bit 

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even towards the muddy 
obstacles. 

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So I'm glad that you made it out
of that race safely. 

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I think she even think like the 
USATF medical staff after 

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afterwards. 
But yeah, so we'll see how she 

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rebounds in the in in Barcelona.
But for Taylor Rowe, just 

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continued great progression for 
her. 

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And it looks like she just bodes
well the longer the distances 

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go. 
So with Alistair and Amy doing 

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such a good job with Fiona 
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marathon, everyone will probably
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Taylor Rowe will do someday as 
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But again, I mean, if we if if 
it was from one year to the 

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next, like we're already seeing 
that the Puma elite had like 

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success is carrying carrying 
over from 2025 into 2026 with 

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Alex Mayer and Taylor Rose big 
runs in Houston. 

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Yeah, absolutely. 
I mean, I, I think they had a, 

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they had another great, great 
weekend all around. 

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I think Fiona O'Keefe was paced 
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were, they were kind of Paddy 
Diva paced their Toby. 

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So they they were, they were out
here in force this weekend doing

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a lot of good work. 
Then if we go and touch on the 

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marathon, which I think 
sometimes in in Houston, it's 

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like the even though it is the 
Houston Marathon and it's got 

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like all this, you know, it does
get a huge turn out sometimes 

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the half marathon seems to steal
the shine because of how good 

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the performances can be there. 
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Zuhair Talby, who I think ran 
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of years ago, goes out and runs 
two O 543, which puts him, 

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that's the fourth fastest US 
marathon performance. 

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But there's here's a couple 
different caveats that have to 

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get thrown out there. 
He is not eligible to represent 

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the United States 
internationally just quite yet. 

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He is an American citizen. 
And so he shows up on World 

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Athletics's website with the 
American flag next to him. 

442
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And by 2028 I believe it might 
be be before that, probably by 

443
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:06,600
2027 I believe he'll be able to 
represent the US 

444
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,560
internationally. 
So already consider him and 

445
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:15,400
factor him into the 2028 trials.
He made the Olympic team and ran

446
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:21,840
well for Morocco in Paris. 
And now two O 545. 

447
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:26,560
That's really really good. 
Only the 4th US sub two O 6 

448
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:30,280
American in history. 
He negative split it 63 O 5 to 

449
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,880
62 40 and won the whole race by 
31 seconds. 

450
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,400
It's that was good. 
Yeah, I mean, if you were 

451
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,960
watching that race, he so Paddy 
Diva paced, paced him up to 25 K

452
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,280
and then Zoo Hatabi just took 
off. 

453
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,160
He was leading that thing from 
the front. 

454
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:53,520
And I think there's a group of 
four or five guys and he managed

455
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,920
to drop 1 by 1 drop them. 
So it was just him and, and one 

456
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:02,640
other guy, Donna Gebri, the 
Ethiopian who was with him and 

457
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,400
he was still leading pretty much
all the way. 

458
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:11,000
I think the Ethiopian guy tried 
to make a a move just, you know,

459
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,520
briefly, but it was, you know, 
maybe a mile or so. 

460
00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:18,280
And then he was back in front 
and and he so he basically ran 

461
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,080
most of that second-half of the 
race solo. 

462
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:26,000
It's a very impressive 
performance, you know, and yeah,

463
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,160
it was, it was good to see. 
So Patty Deaver decided not to 

464
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:33,680
pull a Sarah Hall. 
Who was slated to pace this race

465
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,560
I think through 30K right and 
then drop out but she found 

466
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:43,040
herself feeling really, really 
good and decides to stay in it 

467
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:49,800
and finishes the race second 
overall and 222626 that's one 

468
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,520
month after finishing second at 
CIM. 

469
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:58,120
That's sub 227 on three separate
occasions since turning 42 last 

470
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:03,200
April. 
And I mean Callie Hogger 

471
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,920
Thackery, someone who she trains
with, ended up getting the 

472
00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:14,040
victory in 2/24/17, taking the 
lead at halfway and then never 

473
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,960
looking back. 
What's with Callie running all 

474
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,480
these marathons? 
She wins Honolulu last month and

475
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,640
now wins Houston. 
I mean, I think she just loves 

476
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,800
racing to be honest, right? 
Like I, I think, and, and The 

477
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:31,080
funny thing is when she's tried 
to build up to something like 

478
00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:35,000
taking the time, like had a 
really long build, it hasn't 

479
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,120
gone quite as well, whether that
be the Olympics or Chicago where

480
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,040
she kind of taken Oh, sorry, 
wasn't was it? 

481
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,680
I can't remember where she DNF. 
Like she's she's had a couple of

482
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,040
DNFS, but you know, when she's 
actually taken the time to build

483
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:49,640
something, it hasn't gone as 
well. 

484
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,040
Whilst when she's done a crazy 
turn around event, she ran like 

485
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:58,280
210 KS in the space of three 
days in, in Oslo and then then 

486
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:01,960
the UK trials last year. 
She she does these crazy things 

487
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:03,760
and that's when things seem to 
go really well. 

488
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:08,200
So I guess that's the reason. 
And I think as I was saying, 

489
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,960
when the Olympic schedule came 
out, that 10K marathon double 

490
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,280
for LA is looking very possible 
is looking. 

491
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,000
And she's the kind of athlete 
who I think could, could pull 

492
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,880
something like that off. 
But yeah, she, she clearly 

493
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:23,680
wants, I mean, the one thing is 
she does want a first time. 

494
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:28,000
And I think obviously coming 
back off Honolulu, etcetera, 

495
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,160
it's probably a bit too short to
have a proper build. 

496
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,320
And and so maybe, you know, 
running 2/20 was was not, not on

497
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:36,680
the cards. 
That's that's ultimately what 

498
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:41,800
she wants to do is run sub 220. 
But yeah, she's, yeah, she's 

499
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,280
definitely someone who who loves
to race. 

500
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:48,280
Where would you slot her in at 
in terms of like the UK 

501
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:50,360
marathoning power rankings right
now? 

502
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:55,480
Is she #1? 
She is #1 however, when we come 

503
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,240
up to Valencia, that may, that 
may change. 

504
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,440
That may change quite soon, 
given what Irish Mccolgan could 

505
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,280
do if she's back to the shape 
that she was in about 3 years 

506
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,280
ago, which it looks like she 
might be so. 

507
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,920
Two more quick shots from 
Houston. 

508
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,880
Got to give some love to Rory 
Linklater, who becomes the first

509
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,920
Canadian man to break 60 minutes
in the half marathon. 

510
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:25,120
Took 29 seconds off of Cam 
Levins is a Canadian record. 

511
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:32,400
So he ran 5949 for 7th place. 
So he's also disrupting the 

512
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,440
North American all time half 
marathon list. 

513
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,280
So good to see Rory there. 
And I think like he's he was 

514
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:41,760
calling a shot. 
I was reading in the comments 

515
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,880
section of that post that 
someone I think came up to him 

516
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,720
in Houston, maybe asked for a 
picture, whatever it was and 

517
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,280
said, are you going to break 60 
minutes? 

518
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:53,560
And he like said, yes, so love 
the confidence that Rory's got 

519
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,000
right now. 
And then the other really feel 

520
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:01,320
good story out of Houston is 
that dot McMahon for qualified 

521
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:05,120
for her 6th US Olympic marathon 
trials. 

522
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:12,000
She ran 23624 at 49 years old. 
And so when this got dropped 

523
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:17,720
into the Sidious Mag group chat,
I went to look at see and and 

524
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,600
see like who was in her first 
marathon trials race. 

525
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:27,520
And so, so her history 2024 was 
51st place, 2382020. 

526
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:35,280
I'm going in reverse. 2020 96th 
place in 243 in Atlanta, 2016, 

527
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,280
33rd PL. and 244 in LA. 
That's a really, really hot 

528
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:44,320
year. 2012 ninth place in 232 in
Houston. 

529
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:51,440
And then 2008, she was 8th in 
235 when they held the marathon 

530
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,400
trials in Boston. 
Now who else is in that race? 

531
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,480
Joan Benoit Samuelson, the the 
original Olympic champion in the

532
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:04,160
marathon from the 84 games in 
Los Angeles. 

533
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:07,680
And Joan Benoit finished 90th in
that one. 

534
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,520
So a really just sort of like 
fun fact that I was kind of 

535
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:18,320
trying to piece together was 
that when dot races at the 28 

536
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:22,840
trials, which we'll talk about 
in a little bit, she will the 

537
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,080
will at least like have a 
connection to someone in the 

538
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,480
selection race for the next 
Olympic team to LA will have 

539
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,080
competed with Joni, which is 
just, you know, that's just 

540
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,680
really I think really cool to 
look back. 

541
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,280
And I mean, she was in trials 
with trials races with Gina 

542
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,040
Castor. 
It's sort of like we have a link

543
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:50,680
at least to American marathoning
history just through dot. 

544
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,600
SO very, very cool. 
Lots of love for her in that 

545
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,760
comments section and people 
continuing to, you know, get 

546
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:03,080
inspiration from someone defying
the odds and out racing father, 

547
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:06,880
mother time. 
And also, I guess we gotta give 

548
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,800
credit. 
I mean, super shoes have helped 

549
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,600
extend people's marathon career.
So I'm sure dot is also like 

550
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,800
I've been equipped with some 
with a little bit of a life 

551
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:21,280
extension as well from that. 
So very, very cool story there 

552
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,840
and I hope it probably will end 
up getting a little bit of love,

553
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,240
you know, come the broadcast on 
NBC. 

554
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:31,040
And so kind of just natural 
transition to talk really quick 

555
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,080
to a new story that we got today
and then we'll get over to 

556
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,520
Valencia. 
But there have been some 

557
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:42,120
rumblings about the 2028 US 
Olympic marathon trials and, you

558
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,440
know, who would be bidding to 
host that? 

559
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,520
I think I saw something that at 
least like 2 cities had bid for 

560
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:53,720
it and then today, you know, 
kind of as there's like a figure

561
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,360
skating championship that took 
place in Saint Louis, but. 

562
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,160
That was the other thing I was 
watching this weekend, so I was 

563
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,520
busy watching that this weekend 
with. 

564
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:01,760
Your. 
Figure skating guy. 

565
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,880
Well, it's like they're the two 
big Olympic sports, right? 

566
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,239
Athletics and figure skating. 
So no, I do enjoy watching 

567
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:09,840
figure skating. 
I must admit. 

568
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,800
The technicalities of it can be,
you know, they're a lot trickier

569
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,639
to, to, to be all all over 
compared to to try and field. 

570
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:20,520
But yeah, it's a fun sport to 
watch. 

571
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,639
So what's this thing that isn't 
there some controversy in figure

572
00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:28,239
skating right now where like 
they're allowed to skate to like

573
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,440
actual songs with like popular 
songs that are out there right 

574
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,440
now. 
And so now people are concerned 

575
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:42,840
about the rights to that music 
being used in like the Olympic 

576
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,199
broadcast and then all of the 
social clips and. 

577
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:48,000
Stuff. 
So yeah, so that's been that is 

578
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,040
quite a big issue. 
So like if you go on the US 

579
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,719
finger skating YouTube, you can 
watch, for example, last year's 

580
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,800
US Finger Skating Championships,
but the music is just some 

581
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,680
horrific AI music that they put 
over the top because they can't 

582
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:01,680
use the actual original music on
the YouTube. 

583
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,240
Obviously, NBC when they do the 
broadcast, get the rights and 

584
00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:08,640
it's fine. 
And you know, you know, when you

585
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,280
watch most of the figure skating
competitions which are on 

586
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,400
YouTube, certainly in the UK and
in Europe and and other places 

587
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,320
like you, you get the music in 
the normal way. 

588
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,040
But yes, there is like a lot of 
like Alyssa Liu, who is the 

589
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:28,160
figure skating champion, wanted 
to do a Lady Gaga, you know, use

590
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,240
La Yara for her free skate. 
And she was actually had to 

591
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:35,600
spend months recutting the whole
thing because of music rights. 

592
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,280
And so because they couldn't use
certain bits and certain 

593
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,480
versions of it that they wanted 
to mix in, because she wanted to

594
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,400
use some orchestral versions. 
There's all this kind of saga 

595
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,360
going on. 
But essentially that is an issue

596
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,120
for for that. 
And because of the music rights 

597
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,800
thing, she was not then able to 
use it in competition until this

598
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,840
weekend. 
And so she actually isn't going 

599
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,600
to be able to use it at the 
Olympics most likely. 

600
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,920
And she's going to go back to 
the one she she was really 

601
00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:03,680
successful with last year. 
Wow, what a crazy story. 

602
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,280
It just sort of like it's got 
like a sports business nod to 

603
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,560
it. 
It's yeah. 

604
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:13,080
And then of course, just sort of
like the dramatics of, you know,

605
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:15,640
you feel for the athletes too, 
of just kind of like the added 

606
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,040
stress of having to deal with 
all this. 

607
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,400
But then we are living in 2026 
now and so. 

608
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,960
Well, yeah, I mean, figure 
skating's really interesting 

609
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,000
because a couple of other 
things, right, That obviously 

610
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,520
they're Russia are one of the 
dominant nations. 

611
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:34,000
So 2022, February was the 
Olympics. 

612
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:38,000
And obviously it was only a few 
weeks later that the war started

613
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,040
and the Russians were banned. 
And what they have done for the 

614
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,840
2020, for the Winter Olympics 
now that are coming up in a few 

615
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,640
weeks is they have allowed 
neutral Russian athletes to 

616
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,200
complete. 
They're only allowed to send one

617
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:53,040
athlete per discipline, but they
have to prove that they've been 

618
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:55,560
neutral in relation to the war. 
So there's there's this whole 

619
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,280
thing going on, which is why 
there's a lot of pressure on 

620
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,720
athletics and track and field in
the run up to 2028 because Seb 

621
00:37:02,720 --> 00:37:05,560
Coe and Wild athletics have been
one of the sort of standouts 

622
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,560
have been pushing back against 
readmitting Russia into 

623
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,400
competition. 
So it's all there's a lot of 

624
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,280
politics going on behind the 
scenes around that aspect of 

625
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,960
things. 
And obviously we will get to see

626
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,400
some Russian and Belarusian 
athletes compete at the Winter 

627
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,200
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We are heading into Year 4 with 

664
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,600
Lollipop and we could not be 
more excited. 

665
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,760
I remember just sort of this 
might have been around 

666
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:41,360
2019-2020, there were a couple 
Russian athletes who got cleared

667
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,960
by World Athletics to come back.
This is on the heels of like the

668
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,360
doping ban. 
And so that was like a whole 

669
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,840
separate can of worms where it's
sort of like, all right, if you 

670
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,600
can prove that you've been clean
and you have no association to 

671
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,000
any of like these dirty coaches 
or the corruption and all that 

672
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,640
kind of stuff, then like, we'd 
be able to clear you to compete.

673
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:00,800
Then the war started. 
And I think like, it was just 

674
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,960
kind of like a blanket ban over 
any Russian and Belarusian 

675
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,640
athletes. 
And so, yeah, but for, for 

676
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,400
track, like we've kind of been, 
yeah, we haven't seen any, any 

677
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,960
of those. 
I I do see occasionally, like 

678
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,360
results from like their national
championships. 

679
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:20,240
And as of right now, no one's 
really wowing the world in any 

680
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,960
of the track events, like for a 
while, right. 

681
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,800
They had like the the world 
record holder in the pole vault.

682
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:33,360
And then she turned out to be 
like, not a spy, but something 

683
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,840
tied to the Kremlin and, and 
like, pretty high up and so 

684
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,280
crazy, crazy stuff. 
But we're getting far away from 

685
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:45,960
the fact that Saint Louis has 
submitted a bid to host the 2028

686
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,080
US Olympic marathon trials. 
A couple weeks ago, this 

687
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:52,560
actually kind of, you know, 
seeped out there a little bit 

688
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,560
because the Saint Louis Sports 
Commission president Mark 

689
00:40:56,560 --> 00:41:00,000
Schreiber was actually like on a
podcast talking about the figure

690
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,720
skating championship that was 
taking place there. 

691
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:06,400
And then also some of the other 
sports that they've been trying 

692
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:11,080
to get to come. 
So they're looking to host the 

693
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,840
2030 US Figure Skating 
Championships, the Frozen 4 from

694
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,960
the NHL, the 2028 World Cup of 
Hockey, the 2031 Rugby World 

695
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,360
Cup, some future NCAA 
championships. 

696
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:29,680
But when he mentioned the 
marathon trials, it obviously is

697
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,520
of great interest to people like
us because, you know, we're 

698
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,800
we're kind of wondering what is 
the future of the US Olympic 

699
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:39,560
Marathon trials when we've heard
just sort of like the stories 

700
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,160
from Atlanta and just how much 
it costs to host the whole 

701
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,600
entire thing. 
And then, you know, Orlando was 

702
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,400
willing to take it on but make 
some adjustments so that that 

703
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,920
financial undertaking wouldn't 
be as heavy. 

704
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:59,480
And so I'm not entirely sure 
what is part of this bid from 

705
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,720
Saint Louis. 
But then also, Saint Louis does 

706
00:42:03,720 --> 00:42:05,680
have a history with the marathon
trials. 

707
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:12,280
They hosted in 20 in in 2004 
when the marathon trials were 

708
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,800
separated, the men competed 
somewhere else and then the 

709
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:20,480
women were in Saint Louis. 
That's one that Colleen Derouk 

710
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,960
ended up winning and beating 
Dina Castor. 

711
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:30,360
Actually, Dina, I think kind of 
had a rough final 5K and then it

712
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,080
was who was third in that one. 
It was O Gen. 

713
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,960
Rhines was was the third member 
of Team USA. 

714
00:42:37,240 --> 00:42:43,360
And then obviously in Athens, 
Dina wins the bronze medal, the 

715
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,720
qualifying window for the 28 
trials already open. 

716
00:42:46,720 --> 00:42:52,600
So Houston, I believe, added 
nine women into the into the 

717
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,560
qualifying. 
And then we had the list of let 

718
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,840
me see if I can pull it up on 
the men's side. 

719
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,520
We had a couple new additions 
over on the men's side as well, 

720
00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:06,400
seven American men. 
And so the fields are growing 

721
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:11,280
and coming along. 
If all, if we have 107, I think 

722
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,960
right now, women qualified for 
the 28 trials, which would be 

723
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:18,440
one more than the number of 
finishers that 2004 had. 

724
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,760
So kind of goes to show you just
like the leaps and bounds that 

725
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,480
could. 
And we have two, two years left 

726
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,920
of that window being open. 
So it's been almost, you know, 

727
00:43:28,240 --> 00:43:31,880
it's been 22 years already. 
And look at all the progress 

728
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,080
that American women's 
marathoning has made Now. 

729
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,280
I kind of made a joke on Twitter
that Saint Louis the guy said 

730
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,200
like people have to remember 
Saint Louis's. 

731
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,280
His quote was Saint Louis is an 
Olympic city and will always be 

732
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,520
an Olympic city. 
And I think what what people 

733
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:52,960
have to remember is that Saint 
Louis hosted the nineteen O 4 

734
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:57,400
Olympic Games. 
That one was kind of a crazy 1 

735
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,160
cause of like the world's fair 
and stuff. 

736
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,840
But I did, you know, this has 
been, it was part of my research

737
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:06,920
for the marathon book and I 
think I have a short section on 

738
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,120
it. 
But that race you got to go to 

739
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:15,320
the Wikipedia page for the 19 O 
4 Olympic marathon 90° on the 

740
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:20,200
day race started at 3 PM 32 men 
started the race, only 14 are 

741
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,760
believed to have finished. 
There's like even if you go on 

742
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:27,440
the official Olympic website or 
Olympedia, which is a resource 

743
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:32,080
that I use, you have I think the
times for the top three guys. 

744
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,880
But then after that, like 
there's no times and no one's 

745
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,440
been able to figure it out. 
So the original guy, the first 

746
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:42,000
guy across the finish line was 
this guy Frederick Lores, who 

747
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,160
crossed the finish line in 
first. 

748
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,000
And then it was later discovered
that he had like hitched a ride 

749
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,400
to the finish line after 
dropping out after 9 miles. 

750
00:44:50,720 --> 00:44:57,600
So he got banned and also, you 
know, obviously disqualified his

751
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,440
ban actually like didn't even 
last like a full year because in

752
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,240
the next year he goes on and 
wins like the the Boston 

753
00:45:03,240 --> 00:45:05,560
Marathon. 
So kind of wacky. 

754
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:10,000
The winning time of that year's 
race is 3/28/53, slowest winning

755
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:11,640
time for an Olympic marathon in 
history. 

756
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:17,400
So yeah, I mean, it'd be funny 
if they decide to re enact that 

757
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,200
course. 
It's highly unlikely because I'm

758
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,280
sure the city layout has changed
massively. 

759
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:26,080
I texted a friend of mine from 
Saint Louis and I said, what do 

760
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,680
you think about this? 
And he said, like, I'd be 

761
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,680
interested to see what the 
course ends up being, but it 

762
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,080
would be very challenging. 
So we might be looking at 

763
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:38,320
something a little bit more like
I don't know how hilly St. 

764
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:43,120
Louis can be, but Atlanta was 
very challenging for for for the

765
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:46,320
runners there. 
So never been to to Saint Louis.

766
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,720
So this could be a a fun a first
time. 

767
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,680
Yeah, obviously we want, we want
to see like we, it's good to see

768
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:54,680
someone bidding for the Olympic 
marathon trials. 

769
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,360
I think we we're obviously a bit
nervous because it's 2028, I 

770
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,640
guess we were less nervous. 
But but when it when it comes to

771
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,720
future years, it's one of those 
things that because of the 

772
00:46:03,720 --> 00:46:05,320
financial undertaking is a bit 
tricky. 

773
00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:09,160
I mean, I do wonder, you know, 
would why, why not just have it 

774
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:12,520
in LA because of the advantage 
it would provide if to the US 

775
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,440
marathon team for having run 
that course, competed on that 

776
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,120
course in in in kind of a tough 
race. 

777
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:22,560
But then again, you know, maybe,
maybe that's. 

778
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:25,760
I think the city's just going to
be doing way too much at that 

779
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,760
point, like. 
Even with, that's the thing. 

780
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,120
Right. 
The rumors that like the trials 

781
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:35,240
may not be held in at the 
Coliseum because it won't be 

782
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:39,320
ready in time to be flipped 
into, you know, a track venue 

783
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:44,280
before the Olympics. 
Like that's so like we, I would 

784
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,640
like, my presumption is we'll be
in Eugene for the 2028 US 

785
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:52,320
Olympic Trials as we have been 
for the last four or five 

786
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:57,040
editions of of the trials. 
And then, you know, the the big 

787
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,480
thing will be in LA. 
So yeah. 

788
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:03,880
All right, we'll. 
We'll come back to to marathon 

789
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,920
trials because we're going to 
take a stab at our way too early

790
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,920
2028 US Olympic marathon team 
just based off of vibes and this

791
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:15,000
past weekend. 
But want to touch on Valencia 

792
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:21,520
really quick because some fast 
times went down there as 

793
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,400
expected really. 
I mean, Andreas Olmgren kind of 

794
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:29,000
published his final workout or 
two leading into this race. 

795
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:31,760
And so we knew that he was 
crazy, crazy fit. 

796
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,760
And so he lowered the European 
10K record for a second time, 

797
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:42,480
took 8 seconds off his own 
previous mark and ran 2645 for 

798
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:46,960
the win. 
On the women's side, Eilish 

799
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,440
Mccolgan. 
I guess there's some 

800
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:52,720
stipulations to this one too 
with like the the European 

801
00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:56,600
record, so the the. 
The. 

802
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,600
Verbiage used by World Athletics
in their post is reclaims her 

803
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:03,520
10K European record in 30 
minutes and 8 seconds. 

804
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:10,560
So pre explain what's going on 
with the women's 10K European 

805
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:13,120
record. 
So the weird thing is, so the 

806
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:18,640
the women's 10K record, European
record in a mixed race was set 

807
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:24,520
by Paula Radcliffe and is 3022. 
However, in 2022, Eilish 

808
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,360
Mccolgan ran 3019 in a women 
only race. 

809
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,960
So that mark I suppose holds 
both records because obviously 

810
00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,640
you're meant to get an advantage
out of being in a mixed race. 

811
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,640
So the women only record is kind
of tough. 

812
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,880
Also the absolute record yeah, 
in in that case and obviously 

813
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:50,240
then last week Jana Van Lent of 
Belgium broke that record around

814
00:48:50,240 --> 00:48:53,560
3010. 
So she broke the mixed race 

815
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:59,720
European record so obviously. 
But Elif Mccolgon still had the 

816
00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:04,840
women only 10K record and now 
she's got both records back 

817
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,520
again. 
So she has now run thirty O 8 

818
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:13,400
and she now has thirty O 8 for 
the mixed race record and 3019 

819
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,480
for the women only record rather
than it being same mark. 

820
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,760
But yes, that's where we are. 
But I think it's worth kind of 

821
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,720
saying, look, you know, Alish 
Mccolgan ran 30 flat on the 

822
00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:28,360
track for 10K back in 2023. 
It was in the same race where 

823
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:35,880
Alicia Monson set the American 
record of 30 O 3 and she then 

824
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,880
shortly after that she ran a 
crazy fast half marathon, which 

825
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,880
I think was also a British. 
I don't even know my, I don't 

826
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,760
think it's a European record, 
but definitely a British record 

827
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:51,760
like 65 minute half marathon. 
And she then got injured in that

828
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,680
race and had to have knee 
surgery and that delayed her 

829
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,880
marathon debut. 
She has been struggling to get 

830
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,960
back to that shape ever since. 
And now it looks like she's 

831
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,320
finally back at the shape she 
was in back in 2023 when she was

832
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,920
kind of, you know, running these
crazy times all over the place. 

833
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:14,160
So I think that's that's that's 
exciting. 

834
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:19,800
She won the Commonwealth title, 
10K title in 2022 and we've now 

835
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,280
got another home Commonwealth 
Games as well this year. 

836
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,920
So she's probably going to be 
going for that on the track, 

837
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:26,640
even though she's not sure 
whether she wants to go back to 

838
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,480
the track, but she's going to 
try. 

839
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:29,760
She's going to have a think 
about that. 

840
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,360
And then obviously, but she is 
running a marathon and I, I 

841
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,400
wouldn't be surprised if that's 
London Marathon, but I don't 

842
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,360
know. 
Kind of weird that like 

843
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,040
everything you saw on social 
media would make you think that 

844
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,440
Eilish won this race because 
there was just so much fanfare 

845
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:51,160
about it and it was being 
celebrated pretty widely. 

846
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:53,960
But yeah. 
And yes, I mean, like European 

847
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:57,680
record, major kudos, but also 
like she was 8th in this race. 

848
00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,200
And I think that the winner also
deserves a little bit of 

849
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:04,560
recognition. 
It was Brenda Gepchurch here who

850
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:09,080
ran at at Auburn. 
I didn't even realize that she 

851
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:13,960
ran 20. 9. 2925 is what what 
what her winning time was. 

852
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:20,880
Lakina Amebaugh was in second in
2929. 

853
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:27,840
Claire Indiwa, 3rd place, 2949. 
But every single time I'm like 

854
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,960
pulling up a picture and 
Googling who branded Churcher is

855
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:36,560
like I see her in in Auburn 
uniform and she was competing at

856
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:42,160
the NCAS back in June and she 
was, I mean, not. 

857
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,480
Great she was. 
She was 21st in that race in the

858
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:48,880
5K and ran 16 O 1. 
So like how did she pop off a 

859
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,480
29? 
Yeah, so this is really 

860
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:56,560
interesting. 
So her, you know, she in in June

861
00:51:56,560 --> 00:51:59,360
2020. 
So her track PB in the 10,000 

862
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:04,920
meters is the NCAA Championships
last year in June where she ran 

863
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:08,160
3241. 
That is her track PB she's run. 

864
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:12,560
I think that is maybe one of 
only a couple of 10 KS she's run

865
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:17,880
on the track. 
And then she went and last year 

866
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:22,200
on the roads she ran a 
succession of 10 KS. 

867
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:27,080
In September she ran 3150, in 
October she ran 3110, in 

868
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:31,760
November she ran thirty O 4. 
And now a couple of months later

869
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,960
she's gone and run 2925. 
So she's been literally ROP 

870
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,720
lopping 4050 seconds off her PB 
each time she runs a row. 10K 

871
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:45,080
over the last 4-5 months. 
Yeah, but I mean, I guess like 

872
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,120
the head scratching part is how 
is she so bad at the NCAA's? 

873
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,360
Yeah, as I say, like she her 
five KPB is still 1533 from 

874
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:53,560
NCAA's. 
Crazy. 

875
00:52:54,800 --> 00:52:57,240
Well, from the heat, yeah. 
From. 

876
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,080
The this doesn't really I mean 
it just doesn't line up for any 

877
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:05,720
like to run yeah, I mean 
15501533 at the East regional 

878
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:11,600
and then a couple months later 
you run thirty O 4 in Lille and 

879
00:53:11,600 --> 00:53:16,760
then this performance wild yeah,
20 years old according to this 

880
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,600
database that I'm looking at 
yeah, she's never represented 

881
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:24,120
Kenya internationally. 
I guess just like keep an eye 

882
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,200
out on on this name because 
that's, that's a hell of a run. 

883
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:32,000
Yeah, no, a bit of a breakout 
over 10K over the last few 

884
00:53:32,120 --> 00:53:34,240
months. 
It's been it mildly. 

885
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:37,320
All right. 
Anything else you want to note 

886
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,760
from Valencia? 
Well, Valencia, I mean, 

887
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:44,040
obviously a few good. 
It was a British record. 

888
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:47,280
There's a number of other 
national records behind. 

889
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,000
Let me just. 
Oh, you know who I want to 

890
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:50,800
highlight? 
Because I'm a fan of this kid, 

891
00:53:51,240 --> 00:53:56,040
Magnus Meyer. 
Like I'm probably mispronouncing

892
00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:01,040
his last name or it's MYHRE. 
That sounds like Meyer, right? 

893
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:05,400
He ran. 
He's the So the reason like I'm 

894
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,000
familiar with who this kid is, 
is because he's constantly in 

895
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:11,000
Jakob Bingham Written's YouTube 
videos. 

896
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:16,880
He's a young kid sponsored by 
Puma, and just this past weekend

897
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:21,560
he ran 2722 in that race. 
And then just a couple weeks 

898
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,960
back, he also, I think ran the 
Norwegian national record in the

899
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,320
in the 5K on the roads, on the 
roads. 

900
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,680
Yeah, Well, yeah, no, it's good 
to see more Norwegians. 

901
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,000
I think there was, there were a 
couple of others in this race as

902
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,160
well. 
Azerdine Habs was in this race. 

903
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:43,160
Oh, what did he run? 
He ran 2743 so not bad. 

904
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,640
Solid. 
He's yeah, he's qualified for 

905
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:48,440
the for the 10K Europeans if he 
wants to run it. 

906
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,880
But yeah, no, there was 
obviously there were a lot of 

907
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,920
guys out there chasing 10K 
qualifiers for Europeans, which 

908
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,920
is I think the time was 2750 and
there was 29 guys under that. 

909
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:05,000
Obviously not all European, but 
yeah, so, so this was kind of a 

910
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,160
big opportunity to run that time
on the women's side. 

911
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:09,400
The unfortunate thing is hold on
one. 

912
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:11,920
SEC Magnus Meyer's not as young 
as I thought he was. 

913
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,520
He just has a baby face and he 
looks really, really young. 

914
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,600
Courtney, I just looked it up. 
He's 25. 

915
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,640
Because I was like, he's 
national records that he's 

916
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,360
getting like Norwegian national 
records. 

917
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,080
I was like, I feel like Jacob 
would have all of these at this 

918
00:55:25,080 --> 00:55:28,760
point, but I guess Jacob hasn't 
really taken to the roads as 

919
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,720
much here and so he's able to 
snag them now before they before

920
00:55:32,720 --> 00:55:35,680
they ultimately go OK. 
Yes, yeah, indeed. 

921
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:40,920
Isaac Kimmeli was in this race 
was it Bronze medalist in the 

922
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:46,080
5K, silver medalist, silver 
medalist in the five K 2729 he 

923
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,120
ran. 
So nothing like outrageous I 

924
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,600
think from any of those guys. 
Andreas Algren was really that 

925
00:55:51,600 --> 00:55:56,240
the stand out And there's only 
one of the guy, Kyrie Bajiga of 

926
00:55:56,240 --> 00:56:00,160
Ethiopia, who broke 27 minutes 
around 2651. 

927
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:07,520
But yeah, on the on the women, 
on the women's side, where was I

928
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:12,720
was I going to say there were 
Yeah, as I say, there were a 

929
00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:14,560
whole bunch of Brits who ran 
really well. 

930
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:21,040
Alex Bell, who was an 800 meter 
Olympic finalist in Tokyo around

931
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,720
3057. 
She's taken really well to the 

932
00:56:22,720 --> 00:56:27,600
roads but the only unfortunate 
thing is UK Athletics do not 

933
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,920
count a mixed race for 10K 
qualifiers of. 

934
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:34,120
Course they don't. 
So yes. 

935
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:38,040
So I'm not sure these ladies 
have run their qualifying time, 

936
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:42,400
sadly, and they'll probably have
to go elsewhere to run, run the 

937
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,960
run, run the time. 
There's always something with UK

938
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:48,320
Athletics. 
It's funny enough as we were 

939
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:52,800
talking, I just got the e-mail 
press release from the IOC about

940
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:55,440
individual neutral athletes with
Belarussian and Russian 

941
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,920
passports who have been 
confirmed as eligible and 

942
00:56:57,920 --> 00:57:01,480
invited to compete at the Milano
Cortina 2026 Winter Olympic 

943
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:02,760
Games. 
And so it looks like they've got

944
00:57:03,880 --> 00:57:07,600
2 figure, 2 figure Russian 
Figure skaters, 1 Belarussian 

945
00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:13,200
figure skater, 2 people on short
track, and then one person in 

946
00:57:13,240 --> 00:57:16,240
ski mountaineering. 
So there you go. 

947
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:20,160
Pre I didn't know you were such 
a like figure skating fan. 

948
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:24,640
Yeah, no, I, I, I think it was 
again like during COVID as in I 

949
00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:28,840
went down the track rabbit hole 
and I kind of not, not as far 

950
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,040
down the finger skating rabbit 
hole, but I do enjoy watching 

951
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,240
it. 
The next topic that we wanted to

952
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:38,720
get to was actually we got one 
more news story before we go to 

953
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:44,280
the 28th way too early 
predictions and that is this was

954
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:48,360
kind of I think an expected one.
Marvin Bracey Williams has 

955
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,840
signed on to join the enhanced 
games. 

956
00:57:53,560 --> 00:58:00,720
He's currently serving a 45 
month suspension from USADA and 

957
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:06,000
this felt inevitable like, and 
you kind of think that maybe he 

958
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:10,000
won't be appealing as hard when 
it comes to, you know, serving 

959
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:14,240
out this suspension. 
But he hasn't competed on the 

960
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:20,880
track since September 2023. 
He does have APB of 985. 

961
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:25,880
And with his addition to the 
enhanced games now, that's 2/3 

962
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:29,960
of the 100m Olympic podium. 
I mean, 100 meter podium from 

963
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:34,520
the 2022 World Championships 
where the US swept gold, silver,

964
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,440
bronze. 
And you will not be seeing 

965
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,440
Trayvon Brummel move over to the
enhanced Games. 

966
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:44,560
He already put out his schedule 
on his Instagram page. 

967
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:48,440
And so he's got, I think like a 
meet at Texas Tech and then New 

968
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,640
Balance Indoor Grand Prix, World
US Indoor Championships. 

969
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:56,360
And then I presume if he 
qualifies from then on the World

970
00:58:56,360 --> 00:59:00,000
Indoor Championships. 
So good on Trayvon Brummel for 

971
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:06,640
not taking the money from the 
enhanced games and of course he 

972
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:12,160
wouldn't just kind of having 
gotten to know Trey over the the

973
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:16,320
last couple years. 
The funnier part to this is just

974
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:21,720
sort of the rest of the athletes
that were announced for the that

975
00:59:21,720 --> 00:59:23,080
have signed to the enhanced 
games. 

976
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:28,080
And when I saw this, I lit up 
because my bold prediction on 

977
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:32,000
the pod about no, no one 
breaking 10 seconds in this 

978
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,680
race. 
It looks like it's going to hold

979
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:37,720
up because I all I have to be 
worried about is that, you know,

980
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,960
Marvin Bryson Williams dust off 
the cobwebs and is somehow able 

981
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:45,760
to go, you know, sub 10 in in 
this race that is set. 

982
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:49,960
For. 
May in Las Vegas and maybe, you 

983
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,360
know, Fred Curley also gets it 
together and can give it a 

984
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:54,960
scare. 
But I just kind of remember, 

985
00:59:54,960 --> 01:00:00,000
like, Fred didn't even break 10 
in his one or two outings last 

986
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:04,920
season around April and May. 
So I have no idea, like, what's 

987
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,800
being done differently. 
And as of right now, again, no 

988
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:09,600
one's tested positive for 
anything. 

989
01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:14,400
So like they technically still 
are eligible to participate in 

990
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,880
World Athletic sanctioned events
and USATF sanctioned events? 

991
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:20,960
At some point maybe the juicing 
starts. 

992
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:25,520
I I guess I I have no idea how 
the behind the scenes of the 

993
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,920
enhanced games is going to work.
Probably ends up being some sort

994
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:32,320
of Netflix documentary for for 
all I know. 

995
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,160
So the other people that were 
announced, you got Taylor 

996
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:41,760
Anderson, who you're like who 31
year old sprinter, female 

997
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:45,280
sprinter who is a personal best 
of 11/20 for 100 meters, never 

998
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:48,760
made AUS outdoor 100m final and 
we're expected to think that 

999
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:52,720
she's going to give Flojo's 
world record a scare. 

1000
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:58,320
Come on. 
Then we got Reese Prescott 20224

1001
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:05,560
by 100 World bronze medalist who
has never broken, who has not 

1002
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:09,960
broken 10 seconds in a win legal
race since June 2023. 

1003
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,720
His only career World 
Championship final appearance 

1004
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,920
was in 2017 and he finished 
seventh in that one. 

1005
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:21,560
And then the other note is that 
he was once voted off of the 

1006
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:25,240
British 4 by 1 relay team. 
Do you want to tell the story? 

1007
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:26,800
What's the story behind this 
one? 

1008
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,720
I think basically he didn't turn
up to a practice and they voted 

1009
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:33,200
him off. 
That was for the Tokyo Olympics,

1010
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:36,080
I believe. 
And then obviously, the team 

1011
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:39,960
promptly went on to win the 
silver medal and then get 

1012
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:45,920
disqualified because one of the 
team members, CJ Ujo, had had 

1013
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,760
taken a banned supplement 
ordered off Amazon during COVID.

1014
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,360
And, yeah, got caught, 
apparently. 

1015
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:53,320
So more, more, more. 
Yeah. 

1016
01:01:53,480 --> 01:01:56,160
And then they lost silver medal.
And then Rhys Prescott made some

1017
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:58,320
sort of comment defending him or
something like that. 

1018
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,040
And Richard Kilty, just like. 
Yeah. 

1019
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:04,000
So, yeah, there's, I mean, Rhys 
Prescott is one of those people 

1020
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,240
who's had a lot of talent and 
he's, you know, and, and people 

1021
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,120
have kind of, I think I think 
he's openly admitted it. 

1022
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,080
He struggled a lot with 
motivation. 

1023
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:16,400
And, you know, I think the 
famous quote that he gave was 

1024
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,520
that, you know, he nearly lost 
out to Call of Duty and 

1025
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,200
Deliveroo, which basically 
delivery is the equivalent of 

1026
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:26,560
like Uber Eats over here. 
And yeah, she, he he he's 

1027
01:02:26,560 --> 01:02:29,600
basically someone who who did 
lack motivation, discipline for 

1028
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,440
a while. 
And so some of his best years, 

1029
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:35,600
you know, he didn't really show 
his talent because as I say, he 

1030
01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,400
made that world championship 
final in 2017 and he was still 

1031
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:39,960
running sub 10 a couple of years
ago. 

1032
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,840
But but obviously, you know, the
hope was that he would, you 

1033
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,800
know, spring on from that. 
And I think that's where where 

1034
01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:47,640
he kind of struggled a little 
bit in the middle there. 

1035
01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:52,960
Does it? 
This is like just speculation 

1036
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:58,080
when there was like all this 
stuff about the Rhodchenkov Act 

1037
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:04,680
and like the guy who supplied 
drugs to Blessing Okabare, the 

1038
01:03:04,680 --> 01:03:07,200
Eric Lira guy who's there's one 
guy, I think who's ever who's 

1039
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:09,960
been prosecuted by the 
Rhodchenkov Act. 

1040
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,520
And then they were like these 
documents and it described a 

1041
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:19,120
British sprinter being involved 
and like, does Reece Prescott 

1042
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,640
fit sort of like the 
descriptions and and some of 

1043
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,080
that stuff. 
I don't believe it was him. 

1044
01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:27,200
He did announce his retirement 
at the end of 2024, Which? 

1045
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:31,560
He's 29 years old. 
Yeah, but but I think again like

1046
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:34,600
he's he's someone who has, as I 
say, struggled with motivation. 

1047
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,720
So I think it's probably that. 
But but then obviously the 

1048
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:41,320
money's money's got him back out
because he kind of realized that

1049
01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:45,320
having a career after a 
sprinting career is is not not 

1050
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,920
as easy as he as he hoped. 
And and so this was a a good 

1051
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:50,760
opportunity for the to take the 
money, but. 

1052
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:55,000
Yeah, actually the rumor that 
I'd heard, and I forgot when I 

1053
01:03:55,000 --> 01:03:57,840
was just talking about this in 
our Bold Predictions episode, 

1054
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:01,760
when it comes to their 
recruiting, they are struggling 

1055
01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:05,480
to get women to commit to this 
event. 

1056
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:11,920
But the rumor is that it's a 
base contract of $100,000 to 

1057
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:16,640
just sign up for for this thing.
And it's before even the the 

1058
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,200
prize money that you have from 
winning at the enhanced games 

1059
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:23,440
and then the ridiculous bonuses 
that they won't hit for breaking

1060
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:27,080
these records. 
But $100,000 is is clearly is 

1061
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:30,320
still not enough for certain 
people to to throw their careers

1062
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:34,080
away or their reputation away. 
But so far they've got two women

1063
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,800
who have been recruited. 
The other one was I think 

1064
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:41,400
someone who once competed at 
like Usus indoors in the 60 or 

1065
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,560
something like that. 
Other people who were named 

1066
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,800
today, Clarence Munyai from 
South South Africa. 

1067
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:52,280
I was like at first like, oh, 
they got A196 guy in the 200. 

1068
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:54,440
And then I realized I was like, 
oh, he's one of those guys who 

1069
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,320
like just runs really fast in 
South Africa and has all these 

1070
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:01,040
altitude aided times. 
Because if you look at his 

1071
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,560
actual times, he hasn't run 
faster than 10 three for the 100

1072
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:09,040
or 20 flat for the 200 when it's
not aided by wind or or 

1073
01:05:09,040 --> 01:05:14,680
altitude. 
Then this is Jamaica Shakoria 

1074
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:19,880
Wallace, 100m personal best of 
eleven O 9 from 2022 has never 

1075
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:22,120
made a Jamaican national team 
for a global championship. 

1076
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:26,240
I mean, that's very difficult in
in those events when you've got 

1077
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:29,640
Sharika Shillian, Elaine, the 
Clayton twins. 

1078
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,240
So all right, like maybe you get
a pass from that. 

1079
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,640
But the only time she's ever 
even reached the 100m finals at 

1080
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:38,560
a Jamaican championships was one
time in 2023. 

1081
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:40,320
And then she was dead last in 
the field. 

1082
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:45,240
So they haven't even been able 
to get a quality Jamaican 

1083
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,520
sprinter in this one. 
And then the worst person of all

1084
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:53,320
that they signed was this Mike 
Bryan guy from Germany has never

1085
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:57,480
broken 10/3 for or didn't break 
10 three for the 100 last year. 

1086
01:05:57,800 --> 01:06:01,840
His season's best in the 
Sixties, 6.77 which I went and I

1087
01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:03,360
was like, all right, I'm 
curious, where does that put him

1088
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:07,920
on the world list for last year?
You scroll, I think like the 10 

1089
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:09,520
pages that World Athletics has 
available. 

1090
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:11,200
And he's still like, it doesn't 
even come close. 

1091
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,760
So he's not even on there. 
So I was like, OK, let's give 

1092
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,600
him the benefit of the doubt. 
And how where does this put him 

1093
01:06:15,600 --> 01:06:19,800
on the NCAA list? 
NCAA list on T Fers goes like 50

1094
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,760
deep and like still not even 
good enough to make that so 

1095
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,880
washed. 
He's 33 years old, wouldn't even

1096
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:27,400
be competitive at the NCAA 
level. 

1097
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:31,000
And somehow we're supposed to 
think that these are going to be

1098
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,840
the athletes that are going to 
run something crazy. 

1099
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:37,680
You're going to have to really 
juice them up to to get anything

1100
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:41,720
close, I think. 
But yeah, I mean, as of right 

1101
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,360
now, this is. 
I mean to. 

1102
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,600
So just a normal person, like 
they did put out like a press 

1103
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,200
release and they obviously like 
nitpick at all of their career 

1104
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,840
highlights. 
But so that's like tried to make

1105
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:59,360
it appeal to just a normal 
spectator, which frankly, like 

1106
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:04,960
the the marketing around the 
idea of the Olympics, but with 

1107
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:10,280
steroids is a much easier thing 
to conceive in your mind than 

1108
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:14,280
having to explain the 
intricacies of how, for example,

1109
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:19,240
Grand Slam worked, right. 
So we're definitely not the 

1110
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:24,200
target demo for this. 
But still, I think like when 

1111
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:27,800
these athletes get tranced out 
onto a track in May, there's 

1112
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:32,760
going to be just sort of like 
this, a lot of fudging when it 

1113
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,840
comes to just making people 
believe that this thing may even

1114
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,640
come close. 
Because as of right now, like 

1115
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:40,720
these fields are a joke. 
I mean, all I want to say is, 

1116
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,600
and do you think like we might 
be kind of falling for it a 

1117
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:47,520
little bit? 
We just spent 10 minutes talking

1118
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:51,480
about it and you know what? 
That's that's what they want us 

1119
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:53,600
to do, right? 
And and it's almost should we 

1120
01:07:53,600 --> 01:07:56,960
just be ignoring it completely? 
Because I think, yes, obviously 

1121
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,280
Marvin Bracey signing, Fred 
Curley signing, you know, that 

1122
01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:03,600
is kind of news. 
But but at the same time, I 

1123
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:06,120
think it means they're getting 
papers, they get that sorry, 

1124
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:09,280
they're getting articles in 
major media like outlets. 

1125
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,200
They are like they, they're 
getting that kind of thing. 

1126
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:14,600
And and this is this is the 
thing that almost we should be 

1127
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:16,800
avoiding like we should be 
trying to ignore it as far as we

1128
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:18,680
can. 
Marvin, Marvin and Fred is what 

1129
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:22,319
legitimizes, I think it a little
bit or just like piques the 

1130
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:24,160
interest. 
But what I was just trying to do

1131
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:28,160
here was like the poke holes at 
the rest of the whole entire 

1132
01:08:28,160 --> 01:08:30,600
thing. 
There were so many factual 

1133
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:33,240
inaccuracies in their in their 
press release as well. 

1134
01:08:33,479 --> 01:08:35,960
We won't even need to go into 
like all of them. 

1135
01:08:35,960 --> 01:08:40,000
But I was just kind of for me, I
guess like the point of the 

1136
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:44,840
spending that time and, and just
like that air was to just kind 

1137
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,760
of further under score that this
thing is going to be a joke. 

1138
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:51,840
And I'm going to, I'm going to 
have the last laugh when no one 

1139
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,359
breaks 10. 
Fair enough, fair enough. 

1140
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:57,760
All right, let's say let's end 
this. 

1141
01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:59,080
Show on a. 
No one. 

1142
01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:00,479
One more news story. 
Oh, we did. 

1143
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:01,640
Albert. 
Albert, Correct. 

1144
01:09:01,680 --> 01:09:03,240
Oh. 
Yes, all right, so Speaking of 

1145
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:10,800
dopers, well, the enhanced games
should add a marathon out. 

1146
01:09:11,800 --> 01:09:13,640
There. 
Loads of contenders there, yeah.

1147
01:09:14,279 --> 01:09:16,640
I mean, you could attract Ruth 
Chef and get it. 

1148
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:20,000
You have her for two years, and 
then you've also got now a 

1149
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,680
former New York City Marathon 
champion, Albert, career, 2021 

1150
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:27,880
New York City Marathon champion.
Test positive for Sarah, which I

1151
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:33,600
believe is a artificial version 
of like EPO. 

1152
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:37,880
Yes, it's a synthetic EPO, but 
it isn't like a slow kind of 

1153
01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:41,080
slow release or something. 
This is what Rashid Ramsay got 

1154
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:44,560
busted for back in 2008, right? 
Correct. 

1155
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:45,600
Yes. 
So you. 

1156
01:09:45,640 --> 01:09:49,160
Don't know. 
Yeah, Rashid Ramsay won the 2008

1157
01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:52,160
Olympics in the 1500 meters in 
Beijing. 

1158
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:57,640
We subsequently found a year or 
so later to have doped and. 

1159
01:09:57,800 --> 01:10:01,480
As Bill Kemprop. 
Was was upgraded to the gold 

1160
01:10:01,480 --> 01:10:05,720
medal and then later on as Bill.
Kemprop test positive for EPO. 

1161
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:09,840
Yeah, it wasn't a good couple of
Olympics for the 1500 meters. 

1162
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,280
Was it 2008 or 2012? 
Let's be honest. 

1163
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:14,360
Yeah, don't. 
Don't. 

1164
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:19,760
I mean, poor, poor Nick Willis 
and like he was front and center

1165
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:24,160
to in those races and and oh, so
close to the gold medals there. 

1166
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:29,200
So yeah, it's Albert career. 
This is an interesting one 

1167
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:34,120
because I guess like nothing 
ever really, you know, jumped 

1168
01:10:34,120 --> 01:10:39,240
out to me seeing this guy race 
that he would be someone on EPO 

1169
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:43,280
because none of his times. 
Were like ever all that crazy. 

1170
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,680
He would always only turn up for
marathons. 

1171
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:51,840
He's run I think like 20 
marathons in his career and he's

1172
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:54,040
been on the podium so many 
times. 

1173
01:10:54,240 --> 01:10:58,000
I like went and tweeted his 
whole marathon resume basically.

1174
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:04,320
And the the big, the big one for
sure is the fact that he won the

1175
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:11,000
New York City Marathon in 2020 
two right, I believe or 2021 in 

1176
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:16,440
two O 8. 
His PB is 2O6 from the 2023 New 

1177
01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:19,120
York City Marathon where he was 
second. 

1178
01:11:19,320 --> 01:11:24,040
He's been in the top five at the
Boston Marathon twice and he's 

1179
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:27,600
been top not on the podium of 
the New York City Marathon five 

1180
01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:30,840
times. 
So he's collected quite a bit of

1181
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:35,200
a payday at the majors. 
And then last year he won the 

1182
01:11:35,200 --> 01:11:40,360
Ottawa Marathon in two O 822 
just ahead of Rory Linkletter. 

1183
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:45,520
So then I guess like when this 
news came out this morning, 

1184
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:48,400
people are like, OK, so he got 
popped in one of two places 

1185
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:52,120
because that's the only two 
places that he competed at was 

1186
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:57,080
Ottawa and then in New York when
he was third in two O 857. 

1187
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:02,440
So the Ottawa marathon 
organizers came out with their 

1188
01:12:02,440 --> 01:12:06,960
own statement this morning and 
shared that actually, like 

1189
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:10,760
Albert career was drug tested at
their race because he had won. 

1190
01:12:11,320 --> 01:12:15,440
And you know, a couple weeks 
later they get a notification 

1191
01:12:15,440 --> 01:12:19,320
from the athletics integrity 
unit that says, yeah, I mean, 

1192
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,680
the drug test that we took at 
your race came back clear. 

1193
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:26,440
So that's usually the sign for 
these races to go out and dish 

1194
01:12:26,440 --> 01:12:30,000
out their prize money. 
This is a lesson that was 

1195
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:35,280
learned, you know, in the early 
2000 and 10s when we had the 

1196
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:39,120
likes of Lilia Shobakova, the 
Russian Olympic, the Russian 

1197
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:45,120
marathoner, walk away with some 
pretty big paydays from the 

1198
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:48,520
Chicago and London Marathons and
then the World Marathon major 

1199
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:51,920
series. 
And then later on we had the 

1200
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:54,960
Rita Jeptu case and the money 
that she collected in Boston. 

1201
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:59,200
So as a result of, you know, 
these big doping cases with 

1202
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:03,320
athletes like that, the races 
have put in I think a bit more 

1203
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:07,520
protection and precautions 
around how they pay out the 

1204
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,920
athletes. 
And so it wasn't in Ottawa. 

1205
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:14,000
So now it's either it was an out
of competition test that took 

1206
01:13:14,440 --> 01:13:19,680
took place, you know, maybe last
spring, summer, fall, or it was 

1207
01:13:19,720 --> 01:13:22,760
a post competition or pre 
competition test that he was 

1208
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,400
that was taken in New York City 
or something after that. 

1209
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:27,120
So. 
If he. 

1210
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:31,640
If he did test positive in New 
York in a test that came 

1211
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:35,360
immediately after that race, 
then what it did was it denied 

1212
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:41,440
Pat Deaver of a podium spawn. 
So that's sort of like what 

1213
01:13:41,440 --> 01:13:45,040
we're waiting for now. 
So as of right now, he's been 

1214
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:49,480
provisionally suspended. 
So when in a couple weeks or 

1215
01:13:49,480 --> 01:13:52,360
days, whenever the AIU takes the
next step and officially 

1216
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:57,240
sanctions him, we'll learn just 
how long the suspension will be 

1217
01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:02,760
for and when it starts, and when
if he'll lose any results as a 

1218
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:11,760
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Yeah, obviously big news in the 
marathon world. 

1258
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:20,280
And I think it's always tricky 
to kind of think how, you know, 

1259
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:23,120
how do you think about these? 
Because like you say, like every

1260
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:25,640
time someone gets popped for 
doping, you're like, you know, 

1261
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:29,160
especially, you know, people are
saying people from Kenya look, 

1262
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:32,520
oh, it's another Kenyan. 
What you know, And I think the 

1263
01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:36,080
bit that there's often tricky is
like people are kind of some 

1264
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:40,440
people obviously on the 
bandwagon of are there any clean

1265
01:16:40,440 --> 01:16:41,840
Kenyans? 
And there's some people who are 

1266
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:45,160
saying that, you know, we can 
only, you know, we can only hope

1267
01:16:45,160 --> 01:16:47,520
that the, you know, they are 
catching people. 

1268
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:50,480
And that's good news because 
hopefully the majority of other 

1269
01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:53,760
people are clean. 
And, and it's, it's, it's 

1270
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:57,080
really, you know, we just to be 
honest, we really don't know the

1271
01:16:57,080 --> 01:17:00,200
answer to that. 
And we hope, we just very much 

1272
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:03,200
hope, you know, we have to have 
some faith in the sport that 

1273
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:05,600
they are being more successful 
at catching people who are 

1274
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,760
shooting. 
They're improving doping 

1275
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:11,680
education so that people don't 
take things unintentionally or 

1276
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:14,320
just because a coach or someone 
gives it to them. 

1277
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:18,920
And, you know, hopefully that 
cleans up the sport. 

1278
01:17:18,920 --> 01:17:22,360
But as I say, I I suspect we're 
still going to see doping 

1279
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:26,160
positives and there's not, you 
know, there's not a huge amount 

1280
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:28,640
we can do about that. 
But but we just hope that that 

1281
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:31,480
is, you know, in service of 
making the sport cleaner. 

1282
01:17:31,480 --> 01:17:34,400
And it is unfortunate when 
someone as relatively high 

1283
01:17:34,400 --> 01:17:38,480
profile as Albert career gets 
popped and and you know it, it 

1284
01:17:38,480 --> 01:17:42,640
does impact obviously people's 
races and and prize money and 

1285
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:45,760
all sorts of things that that 
can be pretty, pretty major. 

1286
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:49,160
So what I would? 
Recommend for people to go and 

1287
01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:54,000
listen to this was I think one 
of their last episodes of 2025 

1288
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,800
is it was a really good 
interview with the AIU head 

1289
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:00,560
Brett Clothier on the real 
science of sport podcast that 

1290
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:04,240
professor Ross Tucker does love 
that show. 

1291
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:08,000
And in particular they when they
interviewed him, they'd asked 

1292
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:11,920
him about just sort of like the 
Kenyan doping and also clearing 

1293
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:16,560
it up for people and making this
distinction that like a state 

1294
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:20,560
sponsored operation like Russia 
was is very, very different than

1295
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,120
what's going on in Kenya where 
you have just so many people who

1296
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:27,360
go rogue and are willing to 
throw it all away to, you know, 

1297
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:29,960
get a payday that will 
ultimately change their lives. 

1298
01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:36,240
But the big changes that I I 
think like what the AIU had said

1299
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,560
was that quote, the testing in 
Kenya is better than anywhere 

1300
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:41,840
else in the world. 
And that's probably also why 

1301
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:46,880
like they're getting so many 
people to test positive is the, 

1302
01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:50,200
the, the big thing is that when 
they had all this money that was

1303
01:18:50,200 --> 01:18:53,880
put forward by the AIU, by the 
Kenyan government, they're able 

1304
01:18:53,880 --> 01:18:58,120
to set up a lab in Eldoret. 
I believe it is where, where 

1305
01:18:58,120 --> 01:19:01,720
it's at, where they're able to 
do testing, like test samples 

1306
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,360
there. 
And so they expand their, their 

1307
01:19:04,360 --> 01:19:11,360
testing pool and then from there
you're able to turn out results 

1308
01:19:11,480 --> 01:19:14,560
quicker. 
And so it looks like I, I think 

1309
01:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,440
when, when they described it, it
said, because I, I, I also 

1310
01:19:18,440 --> 01:19:23,360
pulled some of this research for
this, this part of my book where

1311
01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:26,080
there it's the, the hall of 
shame chapter, I think that I've

1312
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:29,280
been working on. 
And then, you know, it dives 

1313
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:35,880
into the doping crisis just in 
the marathon and it more than 

1314
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:41,680
140 athletes, Kenyan athletes 
have are make up the 400 plus 

1315
01:19:41,680 --> 01:19:46,520
sanctioned athletes by the AIU 
since they came into the sport 

1316
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:50,080
in 2000. 
And and 17 and nearly roughly 

1317
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:54,320
25% of all the testing in track 
and field occurs in Kenya. 

1318
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:57,400
So that's why sort of like we 
when part of the reason why 

1319
01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,320
people are like, why are there 
so many Kenyans who test 

1320
01:19:59,320 --> 01:20:01,200
positive? 
Like that's part of the reason 

1321
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:04,120
why is because like they make up
a big portion of the of the 

1322
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,200
testing pool because they also 
are. 

1323
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:10,160
Make up a big portion of who's 
really good in the events that 

1324
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:14,480
they're that they're targeting. 
So it's it is a little bit 

1325
01:20:14,480 --> 01:20:19,800
complex for just like people to 
kind of grasp sometimes where 

1326
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,800
it's when you see this news pop 
up, like a lot of people are 

1327
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:26,680
emotionally charged and they're 
just like, yeah, you know, ban 

1328
01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:31,480
the whole country and, you know,
lifetime ban for for this 

1329
01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:33,200
athlete. 
And it's like it's a little bit 

1330
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:38,760
more convoluted than that. 
And it just, you know, it's very

1331
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:43,080
different. 
And so at least it's clear that 

1332
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:47,000
the AIU is working to to catch 
people cheating in the sport. 

1333
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:51,880
But yeah, I mean, with all those
podium finishes that he put 

1334
01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:55,240
together and just their next 
thought is like, how much was 

1335
01:20:55,240 --> 01:20:57,760
taken from clean athletes along 
the way? 

1336
01:20:57,960 --> 01:21:01,040
Sure, maybe you could think at 
some point there was a turning 

1337
01:21:01,040 --> 01:21:03,800
point and maybe he was 
successful before he started 

1338
01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,160
doping and then something 
happened. 

1339
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:09,280
He's like, all right, I'm going 
to join the dark side. 

1340
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,960
And when was that? 
We don't know. 

1341
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:15,200
Will we ever know? 
Probably not. 

1342
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:17,520
But if you add up, like how much
you won at all of these 

1343
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,880
different races, it probably is 
a pretty big, big chunk of 

1344
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:24,200
money. 
So it's a shame because he was 

1345
01:21:24,200 --> 01:21:29,800
also like a very fascinating 
athletes to watch in these races

1346
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:33,400
because going into a New Yorker 
or Boston, you people really 

1347
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:35,040
weren't talking a whole lot 
about him. 

1348
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:38,480
You'd always gravitate towards 
the, oh, we got Evans Chibet in 

1349
01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:46,840
this race or we got, you know, 
who's CC Lemma or 1 John Career,

1350
01:21:46,840 --> 01:21:50,920
one of these big names. 
But somehow Albert Career would 

1351
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:54,000
find his way to the podium in 
New York every single time. 

1352
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:59,840
And so, yeah, it's a real shame 
for the marathoning world. 

1353
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:04,800
But, yeah, another year starts 
off and we're back to our 

1354
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:08,400
regular routine of of getting a 
notification from the AIU that 

1355
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:11,400
yet another Kenyan athlete has 
tested positive. 

1356
01:22:12,040 --> 01:22:15,200
It's a darn shame. 
All right, that does it, I think

1357
01:22:15,200 --> 01:22:16,840
for the news. 
Stories. 

1358
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:21,840
Of the week and we figured we'd 
play a game where we share our 

1359
01:22:21,840 --> 01:22:29,520
way too early, way, way too 
early. 2028 US, the Olympic team

1360
01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:31,880
for LA. 
We don't know where the trials 

1361
01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:35,880
will be, so we don't know how 
challenging the course may be. 

1362
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:38,920
But instead of like, yeah, I 
guess like it would be bold to 

1363
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:43,480
pick three, right? 
But at least talking about who 

1364
01:22:43,480 --> 01:22:47,360
we think would probably be the 
contenders at that point. 

1365
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:53,160
So if we start off with just 
sort of like the basics of who 

1366
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:55,000
was on the team, we'll go men's 
first. 

1367
01:22:56,400 --> 01:23:00,920
Who was on the team in 2024? 
It was Connor Mance, Clayton 

1368
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:05,840
Young and Leonard Career. 
Now of those three, I think we 

1369
01:23:05,840 --> 01:23:11,120
drop Leonard career from the 
contenders list for 2028. 

1370
01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,680
He's just going to be much 
older. 

1371
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:19,600
Although it was like the day or 
so after the 24 trials that like

1372
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,360
Elk and I could bet was just 
like, yeah, I'm going to be back

1373
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:25,360
for 2028. 
And it's like, OK, I don't know 

1374
01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:28,600
if we have the next Abdi 
Abdurahman with Leonard Career 

1375
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:34,080
or Elkanah Kubat. 
So if we continue to go off of 

1376
01:23:34,080 --> 01:23:37,600
the what have you done lately? 
Then you've got American record 

1377
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,480
holder Connor Mance in there. 
And Clayton Young has kind of 

1378
01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:44,960
slotted himself at the second 
best in the last two years in 

1379
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,440
the marathon. 
Now the, the caveat with both of

1380
01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:49,960
those guys is the timing of the 
trials. 

1381
01:23:49,960 --> 01:23:55,760
I think according to like the 
document for the cities that 

1382
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:59,840
were bidding for the trials, the
marathon trials will will be I 

1383
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:04,400
think in March 2028. 
The selection race will be 

1384
01:24:04,400 --> 01:24:08,520
around that time. 
So we just need a healthy 

1385
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:15,560
stretch from Connor and Clayton 
in the fall and winter of 2027 

1386
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:18,760
into 2028. 
So that they show up. 

1387
01:24:19,280 --> 01:24:23,400
In good shape for for this and 
can be can try and make a second

1388
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:28,640
consecutive team. 
So those are the two favourites 

1389
01:24:28,640 --> 01:24:34,400
Then we threw in let's throw in 
Zuhair Talbi who yesterday ran 

1390
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:38,320
two O 545. 
He will be eligible to compete 

1391
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:44,520
for the United States in LA. 
And then from there, as we think

1392
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:49,760
of who else may be in 
contention, I'm gonna go with 

1393
01:24:51,480 --> 01:24:56,520
some track stars. 
Actually, I'm after seeing or 

1394
01:24:56,520 --> 01:24:59,720
actually let's go Wesley Kiptu, 
who had an A great showing at 

1395
01:24:59,720 --> 01:25:04,080
the world's cross country 
championships as EU s s number 

1396
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:08,040
two guy. 
He ran two O 8, I believe it 

1397
01:25:08,040 --> 01:25:10,720
was, or two O 7 in Chicago last 
fall. 

1398
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:16,240
And I mean with that run at the 
cross country championships, he 

1399
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:18,720
was throwing himself into the 
mix, leading the race at one 

1400
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:21,600
point and hanging tough with 
some pretty good guys. 

1401
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:25,320
So throw him into to the mix as 
well. 

1402
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:30,880
If I'm thinking of people from 
the track who could attempt the 

1403
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:36,320
marathon by then, then my next 
thought goes Grand Blanks, who 

1404
01:25:36,320 --> 01:25:39,160
has floated the idea. 
I think maybe it was even on one

1405
01:25:39,160 --> 01:25:43,040
of the interviews that we've 
done with him from New Balance 

1406
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:46,640
Indoor Nationals or something 
like that from when he's, you 

1407
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:49,160
know, around as a pro. 
But the schedule does allow for 

1408
01:25:49,160 --> 01:25:52,720
a 10K marathon double, something
that Galen Rupp, you know, did 

1409
01:25:52,720 --> 01:25:57,840
in Rio in 2016. 
So it could be enticing for 

1410
01:25:58,240 --> 01:26:00,600
Grand blanks. 
And the other person I'll throw 

1411
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:04,520
out there for it would be Grant 
Fisher who talked about this, I 

1412
01:26:04,520 --> 01:26:07,800
think in some podcast that he 
did with Running Influencer that

1413
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:11,040
I caught last week. 
And he said that, you know, the 

1414
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:16,160
goal for him is Olympic gold, as
it is for anyone who considers. 

1415
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:18,680
The. 
Sport, their profession and if 

1416
01:26:18,680 --> 01:26:22,360
it's in the marathon, then like 
that would be that'd be epic. 

1417
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:28,040
And we'll see just sort of like 
where he fits into where where 

1418
01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:31,760
he's at in terms of just sort of
even his track prowess at that 

1419
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:36,000
point because I guess like the 
the tide turns so quick. 

1420
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,920
Yes, Nico Young and grand Blancs
are really, really good. 

1421
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,440
They're right on his heels. 
And I think they kind and like 

1422
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:44,280
there were times where they look
better than than Grant. 

1423
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:49,600
And this is just a year after 
he'd claimed the Olympic bronze 

1424
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,520
medal. 
And then we see a phenomenal run

1425
01:26:52,520 --> 01:26:56,600
by Parker Wolf to be the top 
guy, you know, over the cross 

1426
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:59,240
country 10K this past weekend. 
And you start to think is like, 

1427
01:26:59,240 --> 01:27:02,920
is Parker Wolf going to be a 10K
runner by 2028? 

1428
01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:07,720
So then what does that mean for 
the picture with Grant Graham, 

1429
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:13,000
Nico, It's getting it like the 
10K gets a bit crowded. 

1430
01:27:13,000 --> 01:27:16,400
So we'll grant a grant, move up 
to the marathon by then. 

1431
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,760
And then from there I'll go Alex
Mayer, especially after this 

1432
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:22,640
half marathon performance. 
He was the second fastest 

1433
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:27,800
American on a record eligible 
course in 2025 with his two O 8 

1434
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:33,200
win in Dusseldorf. 
So those are the guys I think 

1435
01:27:33,200 --> 01:27:37,800
that I've got my eyes on right 
now as like the core. 

1436
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:41,200
I don't even know what I rattled
off 6 or 7 guys as like the top 

1437
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:44,280
contenders for 2028. 
Would you add? 

1438
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:47,000
Yeah, yeah. 
I think we should definitely be 

1439
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:49,200
adding Casey Clinger. 
Yeah, yeah, true. 

1440
01:27:50,440 --> 01:27:53,920
Charles Hicks, I think, who ran 
really well on his debut in New 

1441
01:27:53,920 --> 01:27:56,680
York just now. 
I mean, if Joe Klecker figures 

1442
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:58,880
out the marathon by then, we 
know how how good a runner he 

1443
01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:01,720
is. 
You then got Hampton Samuel, 

1444
01:28:01,720 --> 01:28:04,520
obviously, who will probably be 
an American citizen by then. 

1445
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:10,720
So, you know, Hilary Ball 
obviously is, is on the older 

1446
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:15,280
side, but we just know how good 
he is, right, In terms of these 

1447
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:17,600
sorts of, you know, in terms of 
these half marathons and stuff. 

1448
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,200
He's he keeps showing up and he 
keeps running, running quick. 

1449
01:28:21,480 --> 01:28:26,120
So I think he's going to be be 
someone who who could be up 

1450
01:28:26,120 --> 01:28:29,440
there in in the marathon. 
Paul Chilimo is still around, 

1451
01:28:29,440 --> 01:28:33,160
but again, we see slightly 
older, but but I think we've 

1452
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:36,320
seen like that doesn't that 
necessarily doesn't necessarily 

1453
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:40,600
stop you in in a marathon. 
And Willie Kincaid is another 

1454
01:28:40,600 --> 01:28:44,480
one who I'm sure we will be 
seeing his debut over the 

1455
01:28:44,480 --> 01:28:49,480
marathon at some point soon Ish,
although I'm not sure he's kind 

1456
01:28:49,480 --> 01:28:53,680
of the kind of guy to be, you 
know, patiently running a quick 

1457
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:55,040
pace. 
He's always the one who wants to

1458
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:56,720
hang around and and then kick 
right. 

1459
01:28:56,720 --> 01:29:00,920
So but then you know it could be
a tactical marathon, so might be

1460
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:04,240
up his straight. 
Should we pick 3? 

1461
01:29:05,800 --> 01:29:07,200
We can pick three each. 
Yeah. 

1462
01:29:07,200 --> 01:29:09,480
See how we go write it down. 
Yeah. 

1463
01:29:09,480 --> 01:29:14,320
And. 
As of January 12th, 2026, I'm 

1464
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:20,320
going to go. 
My top three will be Connor 

1465
01:29:20,320 --> 01:29:27,560
Mance for the win, Alex Mayer in
2nd, and I think I'm going to be

1466
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:29,120
boring and pick Clayton Young 
for 3rd. 

1467
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:34,640
Actually, no, no, no, no, no, 
no, no, no, no, no. 

1468
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:37,960
He's Clayton Young and his wife 
just sent me a Christmas card, 

1469
01:29:37,960 --> 01:29:42,400
so I kind of felt compelled to 
do that, but I'm actually going 

1470
01:29:42,400 --> 01:29:49,640
to go Grand Blancs as my third. 
OK, my picks are going to be I'm

1471
01:29:49,640 --> 01:29:52,240
just going to just partly for 
the sake of being different, I 

1472
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:57,240
think I'm going to go Zuhair 
Talby, I'm going to go Charles 

1473
01:29:57,240 --> 01:30:00,480
Hicks and I'm going to go 
Hampton Samuel. 

1474
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:02,960
Oh God, we forgot. 
I forgot about him. 

1475
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:07,320
Jeez. 
Oh man, could you imagine? 

1476
01:30:07,320 --> 01:30:12,840
Just like, because this could be
this could be a real team. 

1477
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:19,480
If it's Hampton, Samuel, Zuhair,
Talby and then Wesley Kiptu as 

1478
01:30:19,480 --> 01:30:24,440
your top three, like we'd have 
just the Mogga crowd going. 

1479
01:30:24,440 --> 01:30:28,840
Crazy over those results. 
Like that, and it's a shame 

1480
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:31,520
because all those guys are 
really good guys and obviously, 

1481
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:36,280
you know, are very, very much 
passionate about representing 

1482
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:39,520
the United States if if they've,
you know, decided to make this 

1483
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:42,040
switch. 
But you feel for those guys. 

1484
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:47,400
It's funny because like, I'm, 
I've been deep in, in, in, in 

1485
01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:50,280
writing. 
I was writing about MEB for, for

1486
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:54,000
part of my book and so much of 
2009 for him. 

1487
01:30:54,000 --> 01:30:58,600
And even in the lead, everyone 
forgets because of 2014 Boston, 

1488
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:04,720
how joyous that moment was and 
the comeback for, you know, for 

1489
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:09,120
Boston and, and, and the United 
States after a tragedy in 2013. 

1490
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:15,360
But MEB faced a lot of backlash 
over not being American enough, 

1491
01:31:15,360 --> 01:31:21,160
even after winning New York in 
in 2009 or the the silver medal 

1492
01:31:21,160 --> 01:31:25,760
that he got in 2004. 
And so I feel like where we are 

1493
01:31:25,760 --> 01:31:28,480
as a country, like we would get 
some of that if that's that ends

1494
01:31:28,480 --> 01:31:31,720
up being our team. 
So yeah. 

1495
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:34,640
And then so I said I picked 3 
white guys. 

1496
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:37,760
But halftime Samuels kind of 
changing my mind. 

1497
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:41,120
Geez, it's I mean, we're already
thinking this is going to be a 

1498
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:42,520
bloodbath. 
Actually, let's make it fun for 

1499
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:44,720
the Spotify comments section. 
If you're listening to this on 

1500
01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:47,720
spot on Spotify, that's the 
question of the week. 

1501
01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:53,600
Give us your way too early 2028 
US Olympic men's and women's 

1502
01:31:53,640 --> 01:31:57,880
marathon team in the comments 
section because they're just 

1503
01:31:57,880 --> 01:31:59,400
like we said, so many different 
options. 

1504
01:31:59,400 --> 01:32:02,520
We both decided not to pick 
Grant Fisher if he made the move

1505
01:32:02,520 --> 01:32:09,200
to to the marathon wild. 
Yeah, that's, I mean, I suspect 

1506
01:32:09,200 --> 01:32:10,520
he'll be very, very good as 
well. 

1507
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:14,280
So yeah, as I say, it's going to
be a tough, I mean it's going to

1508
01:32:14,280 --> 01:32:15,720
be a tough choice for these 
athletes. 

1509
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:18,680
But I suppose someone like a 
Grant Fisher, if he doesn't 

1510
01:32:18,680 --> 01:32:20,720
make, you know, he could go for 
the marathon team. 

1511
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:23,400
If he doesn't make it, he he 
still could go for the 10K team,

1512
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:25,600
right? 
Whilst yeah, some of these. 

1513
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:27,960
Yeah, that's the thing. 
Will be putting all their eggs 

1514
01:32:27,960 --> 01:32:30,320
in the marathon basket. 
That's my thinking is that like,

1515
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:35,200
if you do have the interest in 
it, then someone like Grand 

1516
01:32:35,200 --> 01:32:38,840
Blanc's, like it doesn't hurt 
you to do the marathon trials in

1517
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:42,600
2028 to give yourself a shot to 
make that team and then try and 

1518
01:32:42,600 --> 01:32:44,360
bounce back to make the 10K 
team. 

1519
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:49,200
So now the, the, the biggest 
caveat with all of this is that 

1520
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:52,040
we're, we're suspecting that 
these guys are going to have the

1521
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:57,160
standard or the ranking to, to 
be able to make it into LA 

1522
01:32:57,160 --> 01:33:02,240
because we saw what a mess that 
was with Leonard career. 

1523
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:10,320
I presume that two O 443 is is 
under a standard, but two O 833,

1524
01:33:10,320 --> 01:33:13,920
which is what Alex Mayer ran is 
not, wouldn't be. 

1525
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:19,920
So people are going to have to 
start to strategize presumably 

1526
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:23,440
in 2027 about how they're going 
to be able to improve their 

1527
01:33:23,440 --> 01:33:28,880
world ranking in the marathon if
they're not able to run sub. 

1528
01:33:29,200 --> 01:33:32,360
What was the standard for for 
Tokyo Two O 6? 

1529
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:36,120
Two O 630 I think for the yeah. 
Yeah, which like there aren't 

1530
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:38,800
very many American men who have 
done that. 

1531
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:47,240
So yeah, like Matt Rickman, he 
he was someone who ran sub two O

1532
01:33:47,240 --> 01:33:50,440
7 I think last year we didn't 
even talk about him. 

1533
01:33:50,440 --> 01:33:54,040
So yeah, it's. 
DS ambassador as well. 

1534
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:58,000
Ran 2O6 last year but yeah. 
That will be. 

1535
01:33:58,120 --> 01:34:01,600
It's already, it's it's not too 
early, maybe that's a saying. 

1536
01:34:01,600 --> 01:34:03,400
And you can get that printed on 
AT shirt. 

1537
01:34:03,440 --> 01:34:06,160
It's not too early to get 
excited about the 2028 US 

1538
01:34:06,160 --> 01:34:10,480
Olympic marathon trials because 
this is this is going to be a 

1539
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:13,080
lot of fun. 
So if we give the same love to 

1540
01:34:13,480 --> 01:34:24,880
the women's side in 2025, the 
fastest American woman was Jess 

1541
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:31,400
McClain in Boston where she ran,
I think it was like 222, 20 or 

1542
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:33,560
something like that. 
I, I'm, I'm only looking at the 

1543
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:37,600
World Athletics record eligible 
list, but I just do know that 

1544
01:34:37,640 --> 01:34:40,800
Jess McClain ran fast in in 
Boston. 

1545
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:46,800
Fiona O'Keefe was second fastest
with her 222 American course 

1546
01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:51,760
record in New York, Erica Camp, 
222, in Houston, Natasha Rogers,

1547
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:54,880
223. 
And then you're members of the 

1548
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:58,720
2000 24 Olympic team, Dakota 
Propane Emily System, where they

1549
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:01,320
were 5th and 6th fastest. 
I mean, this one is just another

1550
01:35:01,320 --> 01:35:06,520
one where it's like there's a 
good chance that the top like 

1551
01:35:06,520 --> 01:35:09,960
the 2/3 of the of the American 
team haven't even run a marathon

1552
01:35:09,960 --> 01:35:12,360
yet. 
Because like my thinking here is

1553
01:35:13,080 --> 01:35:17,280
Wendy Colotti will make her 
marathon debut this year kind of

1554
01:35:17,280 --> 01:35:21,280
like the worst kept secret. 
She was recruited to watch the 

1555
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:24,360
race from the front of the New 
York City Marathon. 

1556
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:29,000
I would I would think that she 
debuts in New York. 

1557
01:35:29,880 --> 01:35:33,480
But if people were paying a 
close eye on things this past 

1558
01:35:33,480 --> 01:35:35,600
weekend, they would have noticed
that Wayneie was wearing a 

1559
01:35:35,600 --> 01:35:39,400
different pair of shoes and 
spikes, I think, in her race. 

1560
01:35:39,840 --> 01:35:43,440
And I believe with contracts and
all that stuff, my presumption 

1561
01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:45,760
is that Wayneie is now running 
for a different sponsor. 

1562
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:49,120
We'll see for sure, probably 
when she's in the pro kit in 

1563
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:55,200
Barcelona. 
So I mean, that could change 

1564
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:58,680
things if Wayneie ends up 
running Chicago, which is a fast

1565
01:35:58,680 --> 01:36:03,120
course. 
So I think Wayneie's made for 

1566
01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:06,120
the marathon again. 
Over the last couple of years, 

1567
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:09,960
coach Stephen Haas has been 
pretty methodical in her 

1568
01:36:09,960 --> 01:36:12,840
progression and and and 
development to try and follow a 

1569
01:36:12,840 --> 01:36:17,600
similar path to Sharon Lochetti.
So not a bad person's footsteps 

1570
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:21,200
to follow. 
So I would think Wayneie will be

1571
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:24,360
good at it. 
And then from there, Fiona 

1572
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:29,840
O'Keefe, if she can stay 
healthy, like she's put a gap 

1573
01:36:29,880 --> 01:36:33,880
between her and the next best 
marathon American marathoners. 

1574
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:37,880
And in the two marathons that 
she's done, if it's a flat. 

1575
01:36:37,880 --> 01:36:40,120
Fast. 
Course, which I don't know if 

1576
01:36:40,280 --> 01:36:42,600
Saint Louis or whatever other 
city ends up getting this 

1577
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:45,720
provides, then I wouldn't put it
past Emily Sisson. 

1578
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:50,080
Although like, you know, at that
.2028 might be quite a bit of 

1579
01:36:50,080 --> 01:36:54,360
marathons on her legs. 
My other thinking is going to be

1580
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:56,440
what is Taylor? 
Where's Taylor Rowe at in her 

1581
01:36:56,440 --> 01:36:59,280
career by then? 
And we talked about, you know, 

1582
01:36:59,280 --> 01:37:03,640
how good she was in the half. 
Is this in a part of coach 

1583
01:37:03,720 --> 01:37:07,720
Alistair Craig and Amy Craig's 
plan to have her potentially 

1584
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:11,240
ready to run the marathon by 
2028? 

1585
01:37:11,320 --> 01:37:16,640
So he it didn't work out with 
for them to have Natasha Rogers 

1586
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:19,040
debut at the trials. 
It did with Fiona O'Keefe. 

1587
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:24,120
So I wonder what their plan ends
up being with Taylor Rose 

1588
01:37:24,160 --> 01:37:26,920
development and ultimately 
moving up to the marathon. 

1589
01:37:28,880 --> 01:37:33,840
You just, yeah. 
This past year, Susanna Sullivan

1590
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:36,160
had that great showing at the 
World Championships. 

1591
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:40,160
Emma Bates, you just always 
never know. 

1592
01:37:40,160 --> 01:37:44,440
She's the top American in 
Valencia of the the two big 

1593
01:37:44,440 --> 01:37:46,800
professionals who ran there, her
and Kira d'amato. 

1594
01:37:48,920 --> 01:37:51,440
And then Dakota Propane is 
every, every time you talk to 

1595
01:37:51,440 --> 01:37:53,760
her before race, like she's 
pretty intent on the fact that 

1596
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:57,160
she thinks that she's got 
something way faster than 224 in

1597
01:37:57,160 --> 01:38:00,720
her legs. 
So it's another interesting 1:00

1598
01:38:00,720 --> 01:38:03,640
AM I who else is am I missing 
just sort of in your thoughts? 

1599
01:38:03,880 --> 01:38:06,920
2028 yeah, I mean, yeah, 
obviously all, all these ladies 

1600
01:38:06,920 --> 01:38:11,160
are in there. 
I I think obviously the likes of

1601
01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:14,080
Betsy Sano and someone who we 
were talking about quite a lot 

1602
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:19,680
coming into the 2024 Olympic 
Trials, I think Edna Kirgap will

1603
01:38:19,680 --> 01:38:21,200
probably debut in the marathon 
by then. 

1604
01:38:21,560 --> 01:38:25,240
And given how well she ran this 
weekend, I wouldn't be surprised

1605
01:38:25,240 --> 01:38:31,120
if she's a bit of a force. 
Yeah, and, and, and I think 

1606
01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:35,120
given the model that Taylor 
Rowe, like I think Taylor Rowe 

1607
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:36,520
will probably debut in the 
marathon this year. 

1608
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:39,080
I'd be surprised if she, I 
wouldn't be surprised if she 

1609
01:38:39,080 --> 01:38:45,320
debuts in the fall, But I, I 
wouldn't be surprised if other 

1610
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:50,120
people start following that 
model, which kind of means we 

1611
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:56,600
might get some others from sort 
of NCAA 10K kind of level, kind 

1612
01:38:56,600 --> 01:39:00,200
of graduating straight into, 
into the sort of health marathon

1613
01:39:00,200 --> 01:39:02,760
marathon kind of scene. 
Because that 10K scene is just 

1614
01:39:02,760 --> 01:39:06,360
so tough. 
And if you're, if you're not, if

1615
01:39:06,360 --> 01:39:08,960
you don't have sort of the 
natural foot speed for the, for 

1616
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:13,600
the 5K155K kind of thing, then 
then I wouldn't be surprised we 

1617
01:39:13,600 --> 01:39:16,640
see more people doing that. 
Only problem with that pre. 

1618
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:21,600
So the NCAA women's 5K distance 
scene right now is pretty 

1619
01:39:22,480 --> 01:39:25,760
dominated by the Africans, yeah.
That's what I mean. 

1620
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:28,760
So I think you're going to get 
these athletes who are, you 

1621
01:39:28,760 --> 01:39:32,440
know, the best American athletes
in the NCAA at that distance. 

1622
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:36,080
I see what you're. 
Saying are going to be the ones 

1623
01:39:36,080 --> 01:39:41,080
who may decide to skip out on, 
you know, having a track career 

1624
01:39:41,080 --> 01:39:42,880
post college. 
Like, you know, the likes of a 

1625
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:45,760
Taylor Row went straight to the 
10K and the half marathon. 

1626
01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:49,400
And I, I, I, I'd see more 
people, more and more people 

1627
01:39:49,400 --> 01:39:50,680
doing that. 
Obviously Casey Clinger 

1628
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:54,240
pointing, you know, as well on 
the men's side, I think there's 

1629
01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:57,200
just more and more athletes who 
are kind of going down that 

1630
01:39:57,200 --> 01:39:58,680
route. 
Charles Hicks has gone down that

1631
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:00,200
route. 
Yeah, on the woman's side, it's 

1632
01:40:00,200 --> 01:40:02,680
like Emily Venters. 
Yeah, Emily Venters. 

1633
01:40:02,680 --> 01:40:06,120
So yeah, actually, to be fair, I
think she could be a a sneaky 

1634
01:40:06,120 --> 01:40:07,840
pick as well. 
We shouldn't shouldn't overlook 

1635
01:40:07,840 --> 01:40:13,440
her as well. 
Their their PR right now is 320 

1636
01:40:13,440 --> 01:40:17,320
something preet. 320 something, 
yeah no gonna have a massive 

1637
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:20,760
improvement. 
But put that on the record, as 

1638
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:26,760
of January 12th, 2026, Preet is 
picking someone with a 326 

1639
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:29,000
marathon PB. 
To be fair. 

1640
01:40:29,000 --> 01:40:33,160
I mean, it's all kind of, you 
know, joking because she 

1641
01:40:33,480 --> 01:40:36,160
obviously probably would have 
run really much faster had she 

1642
01:40:36,160 --> 01:40:38,360
gone the full distance in 
Toronto just a couple weeks 

1643
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:40,480
later. 
And there was so much that that 

1644
01:40:40,480 --> 01:40:44,320
went wrong in in Chicago that 
this next go around will 

1645
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:48,280
probably be much better. 
But yeah, I mean, when I was 

1646
01:40:48,280 --> 01:40:51,600
looking at the 10K list from 
last year, Elise Cranny, I 

1647
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:55,200
probably would think she might 
stay in the 5K10K by then. 

1648
01:40:55,200 --> 01:40:59,360
If she her if her, depending on 
how the 1500 experiment works 

1649
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:03,920
out with the M11 group, Emily 
Infeld, who made the 10K team, 

1650
01:41:04,480 --> 01:41:06,720
will probably be a marathoner by
then. 

1651
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:11,400
But we shall see how that that 
goes for her. 

1652
01:41:12,080 --> 01:41:15,240
Has Emily read 1/2 even? 
I think like I'm trying to think

1653
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:19,160
nothing really jumps out in in 
my head off the top of my head. 

1654
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:23,680
So yeah, I did like your call 
out of Edna Kerr got because 

1655
01:41:23,680 --> 01:41:26,280
there's coach Scott Simmons. 
I think put that out there on on

1656
01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:28,120
Instagram. 
It's like the the build up to 

1657
01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:32,440
2028 has already begun. 
And she ran and finished 10th at

1658
01:41:32,440 --> 01:41:35,200
at Worlds, which was the highest
finish since Chirlane Flanagan 

1659
01:41:35,200 --> 01:41:37,400
in 2011. 
And then Shalene Fanning and of 

1660
01:41:37,400 --> 01:41:41,800
course, Green Marathoner. 
So all right, we got to pick 3. 

1661
01:41:41,880 --> 01:41:44,160
Just like we did, yeah. 
Yeah, let's not forget Amanda 

1662
01:41:44,160 --> 01:41:45,560
Vestry as well. 
That's right. 

1663
01:41:45,680 --> 01:41:47,280
Should be on that on that list I
think. 

1664
01:41:47,280 --> 01:41:52,120
Friend of the pod, yes, All 
right, we got to pick 3, so. 

1665
01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:56,000
All right, Should I go for it? 
Well, I'm going to go with my 

1666
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:57,040
pick. 
So I'm going to go with Edna 

1667
01:41:57,040 --> 01:42:04,680
Kirgat, Taylor Rowe, and I am 
going to pick my third pick. 

1668
01:42:05,520 --> 01:42:10,200
I'm gonna hit Fiona O'Keefe. 
OK, all right, I'm gonna go. 

1669
01:42:14,440 --> 01:42:18,920
I'm gonna go. 
Wayne Colati, Taylor Rowe. 

1670
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:35,760
And I'm torn between Fiona 
O'Keefe or Emily Sisson, you 

1671
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:39,280
know, just for to keep it 
interesting that and, and have a

1672
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:40,640
little bit of a different team 
than you. 

1673
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:43,240
I'm going to go with Emily 
Sisson. 

1674
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:44,680
Still got it. 
At that point. 

1675
01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:47,480
I don't know if the American 
record will still be hers by 

1676
01:42:47,480 --> 01:42:49,960
that. 
No one's really sniffed it yet. 

1677
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:54,120
Yeah, it'll be, it'll be. 
I mean, I think we again, it's 

1678
01:42:54,120 --> 01:42:56,600
that kind of are you going to go
and run a fast course and you 

1679
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:59,320
need more people going to go and
run fast courses, right. 

1680
01:42:59,440 --> 01:43:01,360
I think that's the. 
Well, the caveat here is like I 

1681
01:43:01,360 --> 01:43:03,600
need to know which course where 
where where the course is 

1682
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:05,360
because if it's. 
If it's a little bit at the 

1683
01:43:05,400 --> 01:43:07,080
marathon trials. 
But yeah, at the marathon 

1684
01:43:07,080 --> 01:43:11,160
trials, then I'm less inclined 
to pick Emily Sisson and I'm 

1685
01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:14,000
more inclined to pick Fiona 
O'Keefe, and I think that's a 

1686
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:18,280
totally fair thing to say. 
All right, there you have it, 

1687
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:21,720
Chris. 
And Preet's way too early 2028 

1688
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:24,520
US Olympic Trials picks. 
We want to hear from you guys 

1689
01:43:24,720 --> 01:43:28,280
who you got making the 2028 US 
Olympic Trials because at this 

1690
01:43:28,280 --> 01:43:30,800
point, 2 years from now, I think
the qualifying window will be 

1691
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:33,960
closing pretty soon. 
They usually close at, I think 

1692
01:43:33,960 --> 01:43:40,240
60 to 45 days out. 
And if they're slated to be in 

1693
01:43:40,240 --> 01:43:44,280
March of that year, then I guess
that that would be around this 

1694
01:43:44,280 --> 01:43:47,520
time. 
So, yeah, all right, this 

1695
01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:50,560
upcoming weekend, I was trying 
to think if there were any big 

1696
01:43:50,560 --> 01:43:53,040
meets that were happening. 
I think there's a there's a meet

1697
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:55,920
on UW. 
But people, I think now are 

1698
01:43:55,920 --> 01:44:00,120
going to take the time to 
recover from cross country and 

1699
01:44:00,120 --> 01:44:04,560
get ready for the indoor season 
that awaits, which will really, 

1700
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:07,680
I think, start to heat up, you 
know, with Doctor Sander 

1701
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:13,360
Invitational, the New Balance 
Indoor Grand Prix BU I'm sure 

1702
01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:17,080
will host a slew of different 
time trials. 

1703
01:44:17,520 --> 01:44:22,320
And ultimately, I think like 
will hit its peak at the Milrose

1704
01:44:22,320 --> 01:44:25,600
Games on February 1st, which 
hey, I guess like. 

1705
01:44:26,160 --> 01:44:28,320
You you, you noted this. 
We should we should plug. 

1706
01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:31,360
Sidious mag has a race mag. 
Yes. 

1707
01:44:31,720 --> 01:44:36,280
The Sidious Mag women's 1000 
meters taking place at the 

1708
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:39,360
Milrose Games. 
I don't quite know entirely if 

1709
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:43,520
they're, if that means that we 
are going to have to hold the 

1710
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:47,280
finish line tape, which would, 
I've never, I guess I, I did 

1711
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:50,760
that. 
I did do that once in my life at

1712
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:53,720
New Balance Outdoor Nationals 
poker. 

1713
01:44:53,720 --> 01:44:57,120
Valby and I held the finish line
tape, I believe it was for the 

1714
01:44:57,120 --> 01:45:02,480
Boys Mile and we had Macfleet 
ringing the, the bell for the 

1715
01:45:02,480 --> 01:45:04,720
bell app. 
And so if we can do either one 

1716
01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:07,240
of those things, that'd be very,
very cool. 

1717
01:45:08,120 --> 01:45:13,600
But yeah, I, we've, we've got a 
race and I'm trying to pull up 

1718
01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:16,080
the fields now to give them a 
shout out. 

1719
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:23,000
The Insidious Mag Women's 1K 
will feature Sage Herde Clecker,

1720
01:45:24,600 --> 01:45:27,760
the 5th place finisher in the 
800 at the World Championships. 

1721
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:32,280
Siga Deguma, the Olympic silver 
medalist at 800 meters. 

1722
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:36,280
Addie Wiley, the US outdoor 1K 
record holder. 

1723
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:41,360
Jemma Ricci who's the finalist 
at the Tokyo Olympics in the 800

1724
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:45,160
meters and also the World Indoor
Championship silver medalist 

1725
01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:50,280
from 2024 in the 800. 
Maggie Congdon who was the US 

1726
01:45:50,280 --> 01:45:53,800
Outdoor Championships runner up.
Notoya Ghoul, 3 time World 

1727
01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:56,760
Championship finalist and also 
the Jamaican national record 

1728
01:45:56,760 --> 01:46:02,200
holder. 
Gabia Galvadite from Lithuania, 

1729
01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:05,440
who is a nine time national 
champion for them and the 2023 

1730
01:46:05,440 --> 01:46:12,800
NCAA runner up in the 800 and 
that field will be chasing the, 

1731
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:17,320
well, most of that field. 
Or maybe Sage, Addie and Maggie 

1732
01:46:17,320 --> 01:46:22,040
will be chasing the American 
record of 23419 set by Jen 

1733
01:46:22,040 --> 01:46:28,400
Toomey back in 2004. 
And then the world record is 230

1734
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:34,720
by Maria Mottola in 1999, which 
see, Teguma could have a good 

1735
01:46:34,720 --> 01:46:36,880
shot at it. 
Addie Wiley could give it a go. 

1736
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:42,200
Sage. 
So Sage has run 233 for the 1K 

1737
01:46:42,680 --> 01:46:47,240
and Addie's run 2:30. 
So yeah, I mean, like could be 

1738
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:50,440
in, in, in the wheelhouse. 
Addie's outdoor PB is faster 

1739
01:46:50,440 --> 01:46:54,680
than the indoor world record, so
that'd be really, really cool. 

1740
01:46:54,680 --> 01:46:59,560
It's a really strong field. 
So everyone be sure to tune in 

1741
01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:06,080
to the Milrose Games on NBC and 
catch the CS Mag Women's 1K 

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race. 
First time we're ever sponsoring

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a race. 
Yeah, exciting times. 

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Yeah, All right. 
I think that does it for this 

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week in track and field. 
Thanks everyone for listening 

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again. 
Drop in those 2028 way too early

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marathon picks and we will see 
you next week. 

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All right, that's a wrap on 
today's episode. 

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Thanks for listening, for the 
time, the curiosity, and for 

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making this show part of your 
routine or your run. 

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A big thanks to our producer 
Jasmine Fair and to everyone 

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behind the scenes who helps make
the Sidious Mag podcast happen. 

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If you enjoyed today's episode, 
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Apple Podcast or Spotify helps 
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read every single one. 
You can find 

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muchmoretrackandfieldcoverage@sidiousmag.com
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all of Sidiousmag's social 
channels. 

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We'll see you next time. 
Thanks again for listening.