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It is January 6th, 2020. 
Sixth, I'm Chris Chavez. 

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I'm Preet Bajeth here. 
And this week in track and 

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field, I feel like this episode 
might have to be called This 

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week in cross country because 
we're focusing on. 

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The world cross. 
Country championships, They'll 

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be taking place in Tallahassee 
this weekend. 

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We'll be there on site partnered
with A6 to do a pre show, post 

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show and then we'll be bringing 
you interviews and lots of on 

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the ground coverage. 
And then in addition to that, 

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there are some other races 
taking place this weekend in 

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Houston, the Houston half and 
the Houston full. 

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Then in addition to that, 
there's also Valencia. 

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There's a 10K that is set to be 
pretty Dang fast and. 

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To kind of. 
Get people up to speed a little 

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bit. 
Let's take a broader look at 

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2026 Preet. 
And you always do a good job of 

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kind of explaining like what's 
ahead. 

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And this will, I think, tail in 
very nicely with the entries for

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the world's cross country 
championships, which came out 

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this morning and why there are 
big names that are missing for a

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wide variety of reasons. 
But when in the last episode, I 

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think I called 2026 an off year,
one person in the comments 

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section was like, well, you 
know, that there is like a world

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cross country championships and 
a world ultimate championship. 

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I'm like, no duh. 
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calls it a off year is because 
there is no traditional Olympics

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or World Championships taking 
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And this is the first time since
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because of the COVID-19 
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The postponement after 2020 just
led to this pile on that we've 

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had of World Championships and 
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since 2021. 
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think, because like we have a 
big event to look forward to. 

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And I feel like World Athletics 
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And that's why they created the 
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Higher stakes, much more of ATV 
product I think is how they're 

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billing it, so that people can 
watch the biggest stars over 3 

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days and then big prize money 
also on the line. 

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So the World Ultimate 
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place of an Olympics. 
Or a world. 

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But it's still not your 
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because not every country, not 
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there. 
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these athletes. 
And people refer to this as an 

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off year. 
That is why. 

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But I'll toss it over to you, 
give the peoples your sort of 

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like a bigger picture overview 
of the events to look forward 

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to. 
In 2026. 

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Yeah. 
So I think obviously we're 

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starting off this weekend with 
with the world cross country. 

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But then I think indoors have a 
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it, partly because we don't have
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championship. 
So I think we might see a few 

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more people target the world 
indoors, which is happening in 

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in Toran, Poland. 
I'll be hopefully there on the 

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ground to see that one, which is
going to take place in March. 

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And obviously we'll have the 
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that. 
And then we lead into the summer

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where we have obviously the 
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to qualify in September. 
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to be, if you're not an Olympic 
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be in the top 16, top 12, or 
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I think it's even top six or top
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So you have to then compete in 
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most competitive meets, the 
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there in the world rankings. 
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get the chance to do a bit of 
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when it comes down to it. 
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means is the highest ranking 
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the Diamond League. 
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lot of Americans hitting the 
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year in comparison to previous 
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to stay in the US to focus on 
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Olympic team, which has often 
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don't see Americans sort of 
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circuit, which you see a lot of 
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doing. 
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take a break in the middle of 
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whilst here you know, they don't
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That and just really quick. 
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right now, we don't know when or
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set to take place. 
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World Athletics puts out, they 
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weekends to be like national 
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first weekend of August. 
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those two that World Athletics 
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to be yet because. 
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Just grown accustomed to going 
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Championships ever since the new
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yet if that means we're going to
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The last time, I think it wasn't
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in Iowa, which I'd be open to 
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Is there a new city that steps 
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I think a lot of this was still 
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or two after the annual 
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I think the board, the the the 
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December. 
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be in the year without knowing 
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are set to take place. 
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of, you know, kind of the, the 
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so far as we look ahead, 
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putting together calendars and 
coverage plans for a variety of 

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different things. 
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don't know where we're going for
USA is just quite yet. 

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Championships, it will only 
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athletes, which means that 
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athletes who will kind of maybe 
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do something different. 
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decide that they're not going to
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of a rest and a refresh to go 
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build up to LA. 
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we'll see from some athletes. 
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athlete, you will also be 
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the British nations and you get 
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because we get 4 countries 
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event. 
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Kenyans and the Australians and,
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from Saint Lucia as well. 
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maybe we'll see her there as 
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But yes, you'll see. 
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the Brits because it's because 
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them as well. 
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you know, if you are a European 
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things to target as well, 
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who might not quite make that 
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World Ultimate Championships. 
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there's no country cap. 
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some events where you know it 
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qualify. 
Do you think that gives some of 

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the, I guess like the 
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European athletes a little bit 
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points too, right? 
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They're not worth as much as you
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So a Diamond League performance 
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So it's a bit of a weird 1. 
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they're championship races, so 
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competing in Britain. 
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Yes, you can get some points, 
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Games actually doesn't have very
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Europeans might have a bit more 
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championships. 
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could help get at least the 
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may maybe help those guys. 
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And so then one point that ties 
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qualifying window for 
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already open for certain events.
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for for all the events now, but 
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targeting things like the 10K, 
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So there's been, you know, just 
last week Jana Van Lentz, one of

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the other Belgian cross country 
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just a couple of weeks ago, but 
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She just ran thirty O 9 for the 
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previously held by Alish 
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depending on how you look at it.
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her. 
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of years ago, up for the 
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at that 3020 standard, sorry for
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that ran that standard. 
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hugely impressive. 
So that was a great performance.

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But as I say, it's road 10K 
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European athletes that are 
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that some European countries 
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Tallahassee or they haven't sent
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Yeah. 
All right, so let's let's hit on

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some of the big ones that are 
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So there's a showdown between 
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Kajalcha in the 10K in Valencia,
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Isaac Camelli as well. 
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got. 
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So it's it's Edwin Kerrgatz in 
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guys, Andreas Almgren and yeah, 
Isaac Camellia, probably the 

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biggest names. 
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running there, which is why 
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And yeah, some of the other top 
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Who's the headliner? 
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women's side, headliners, I 
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there's a few Ethiopians, 
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A notice my Bratu is probably 
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Lakina Amabel and gear my wit 
Gebrizee hair, who are the 

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fastest in the field. 
But there's also Ailish Mccolgan

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and Sam Harrison from GB. 
But yeah, Marta Garcia of Spain.

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stepping up to the 10K from 
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Fino's fourth place from the 
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OK, All right, so let's. 
And then in Houston, the entries

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for that one came out. 
The half marathon always seems 

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to draw a little bit more star 
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And so at the Houston half men's
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believe was on the podium at the
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represented Kenya at the World 
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man on paper, 59-O9PB, but I. 
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old. 
So then you've got Galen Rupp in

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second, also with an old PB from
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So the, I guess most recent 
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Hilary Bore, who's 3rd on the 
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And then he ran a little bit 
faster than that, I think at the

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NYC half. 
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time that he ran at NYC, but 
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There's a chance Hilary Bore 
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Good American presence would be 
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Coley, Alex Mayer. 
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Rupp facing off in the year 2026
just after what is this, almost 

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2 decades after their Foot 
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their NCAA race? 
I'm sorry. 

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And then Cam Levins is also in 
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But the most intriguing person, 
I think on the start list is the

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debut of NCAA cross country 
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He's a junior at New Mexico and 
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the at BU last month. 
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guess on the start list, he was 
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on any sort of transfer of 
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internationally. 
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Budapest World Championships. 
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time that he competed at worlds 
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Samuel could be at the US track 
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for the marathon team and and 
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process goes smoothly. 
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road keep an eye on. 
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the half marathon, Siggy Geber 
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in the past and been a strong 
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staying on the roads, leads the 
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6421 personal best. 
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other Ethiopians and Kenyans up 
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Amanda Vestry, who also 
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running again. 
Annie Frisbee, Dakota Popeane 

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star-studded marathon squad 
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Natasha Rogers, Susanna 
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Erica Camp, who ran the marathon
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Rodenfeld, who hinted at this 
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Dash to the finished 5K. 
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Laura Galvin from Mexico, who's 
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for them, is running a half 
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we kind of look at it in the 
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Talbi, who's again working on 
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Morocco to the United States. 
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Houston before. 
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just kind of keep people in 
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It's like by the time 2028 rolls
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contender for that team too. 
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Houston, I think the on the 
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former 3/3 time champion de 
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an American citizen with a 22134
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So that's an interesting 
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Houston, how old is she? 
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obviously from British 
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is the other fast person in the 
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personal West. 
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times of just sort of like, are 
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Berk. 
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geffa let. 
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the Oh I see OK I'm doing a 
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hear Preet's. 
My keyboard clacking away. 

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Yeah, his keyboard clacking 
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Because I guess in the last. 
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couple Ethiopians switch 
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States and then maybe you start 
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be a really, you know, strong 
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because they have this really 
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in at the tail end of their 
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That PB of two, 2240 is from 
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So I'm not necessarily thinking,
oh, this is going to be someone 

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who totally shakes up the US 
marathoning rankings. 

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Like she hasn't broken or she 
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but hasn't broken 225 since 
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So, yeah, I mean, I think this 
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instances where it's like, oh, 
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half of their their career, but 
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We touched on Valencia Houston. 
Let's give our just sort of like

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gut reactions to the entries 
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the world's cross country 
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We're going to do a more 
thorough preview later on in the

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week live from Tallahassee, 
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brought Lear will be on site. 
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this isn't off here, like it's 
kind of surprising how many 

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stars are skipping out on it. 
And I pulled a couple stats that

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I tweeted out earlier today. 
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women's side. 
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about in the last episode is the
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and World 5000m and 10,000 meter
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not be competing in Tallahassee.
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that's strange. 
You know, we thought that she 

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would be a shoe in for the 
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Instagram post and it said, see 
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And then we did get a couple 
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didn't, you know, theorize or 
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Which it turns out she's 
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will return to racing in 2027. 
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agency after I think a little 
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to get out there for that, you 
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And frankly, you know, and I've 
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in the Spotify comments on this.
It was like, it's not a, it's 

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not on two guys like us to then 
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pregnancy. 
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I felt weird. 
The thought did. 

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Cross our minds, Preet and I 
did, you know, exchange messages

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about like hell. 
Like that's probably what she 

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meant. 
But we weren't just going to 

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cast that out there on the 
podcast. 

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So, you know, we tried. 
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not going down that path. 
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announces it herself, which is I
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And she won't be competing in 
2026. 

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I mean, Congrats to her and 
super happy that, you know, 

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she's taking the step to, you 
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I kind of go back to just sort 
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that Faith kept being on took a 
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she was also at the height of 
her, you know, career to start a

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family. 
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been, you know, dominant in the 
1500 ever since. 

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So we'll see what happens, but 
in the bigger picture of things,

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it's not just world cross. 
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there is a spot that just opened
up at the world ultimate 

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championships in the 5K in just 
the 5K. 

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There's no 10K at the world 
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Beatrice Trebet had claimed the 
one by because she's the Olympic

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and the world champion. 
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the to the rankings. 
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Beatrice Tribet being out. 
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mentioned on the last episode 
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would be a great chance for 
Nadia Batakladi to win the whole

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thing, the European champion and
someone who's been a silver 

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medalist behind Tribet in the 
past on the track. 

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And then it turns out, as the 
entries were published, Italy is

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not sending a team on the 
women's side or the men's side. 

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I think, and this is the second 
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country championship, that there
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women's side that will field a 
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So you have 6 athletes that race
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those six will score. 
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team standings, and overall, 
it's 101 women entered in the 

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race. 
Now, there are reserves that 

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factor into all of this. 
This is the smallest women's 

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field since the pandemic. 
Just by one, there were 102 

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women at the 2023 World Cross 
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the 2024 ones in Serbia. 
And looking at it, it just like,

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I mean, I'm still excited to see
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we don't have any of the 
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because Faith keep big on also 
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race. 
And then I did a closer look. 

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I was like, OK, how many of the 
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and 10K are in this one? 
And so taking a closer look at 

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it, of the 27 women's finalists 
in the 10K from Tokyo, just 

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seven are entered in 
Tallahassee. 

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Of the 16 finalists in the 5K, 
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And then if we broaden it a bit 
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from the 10K and two of the 16 
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So I, I know some people are 
just like, well, that's track 

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and this is cross country, but 
this is an off year and I feel 

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like there. 
Is a lot of those. 

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Athletes like they don't have, 
there's the 10K runners don't 

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have you. 
You said that some of the 

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Europeans are obviously chasing 
EUR and Commonwealth qualifying 

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times, but for the most part I 
feel like it should draw some 

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more of those bigger names. 
So I, I, I I just was a little 

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surprised at the lack of. 
I think the other thing, I think

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the other thing might also be 
contract related, right, is that

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people who are chasing 
contracts, who you know, running

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a fast 10K time, if you're a 
distance runner, running a fast 

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10K time on the roads is more 
likely to get you a contract or,

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or get you a bonus or something 
than than racing at the world 

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cross country championships. 
And that's probably another 

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thing that factors in because 
we've seen a few people 

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announcing that their contracts 
have expired and stuff over the 

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last week. 
Or so, yeah. 

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But and then on top of that as 
well, you don't get paid to run 

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at worlds cross when you're 
representing your country, but 

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you might get an appearance fee 
at, you know, the Valencia 10K 

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or one of these Spain 10K races.
And there's also prize money 

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that you can get while you're 
there. 

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Yeah, I guess like there's small
prize money at the world cross 

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country championships, but money
sometimes can talk and then 10K 

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runners can sometimes take the 
opportunity of not no global 

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championships. 
This could be the year to move 

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up and test the marathon. 
So there you might also have 

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some people from those 10K 
finals who have moved on to 

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running at in Boston or London 
this upcoming spring. 

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And on the men's side, the 
numbers were a little bit 

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better. 
Jimmy Gressier is the only 

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medalist from the five and 10K 
in Tokyo that will be in 

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Tallahassee. 
Of the 25 men's finalists from 

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the 10K11 are entered. 
Of the 16 finalists in the 5K 

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from Tokyo, six are entered. 
And then from Paris, it's 9 of 

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25 from the 10K and four of 22 
from the 5K. 

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And this one, I guess like 
they're it's it's really good 

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people who are doubling back 
from Tokyo to be in Tallahassee.

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You got Jimmy Gressier, Niko 
Young, Thierry, help me with 

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this one. 
The spent the Spaniard. 

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And Dukem and IO. 
And. 

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And Dukem and Mayo, we're just 
going to need to have that as a 

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little audio file that will play
throughout the weekend because 

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you, you'll, you'll nail it. 
I'll never get it right. 

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Adrian Will will, Scoot, Grand 
Blancs, Brihua Aragawi, Dan 

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Kibet, man these names from 
Burundi, Aghi day in Takuru 

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Tamanya, that was close enough. 
Golvir Singh from India, 

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Celestine, Indi Kumana, That one
was a little bit easier in MO 

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Ahmed that those are the guys 
who are doubling back from 

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Tokyo. 
So that's that's a strong 

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showing for sure. 
And then when you expand it to 

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the 5K, Kai Robinson, Binyam 
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In all honestly, I look at the 
French team as a very underrated

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00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,240
squad that could stun some 
people in Tallahassee this 

444
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,720
weekend. 
Led by Jimmy Gressier for sure. 

445
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:39,320
Yeah. 
I mean, obviously the Spanish 

446
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,400
team also edged the French team 
at Eurocross. 

447
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,080
So they're a very strong team as
well. 

448
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,880
And they are across team, you 
know, but there are only four of

449
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,920
them I think entered here. 
So it may, maybe they, they, 

450
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,040
they might struggle if, if one 
of them doesn't score then or 

451
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,640
doesn't score well, then they 
might, might fall down the, the 

452
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,040
team scores a bit. 
But yeah, Ethiopia definitely 

453
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,880
looking very, very strong. 
When Yeah, so you mentioned 

454
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,960
Ethiopia looks strong. 
I think Ethiopia has the best 

455
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:11,360
1-2 punch of the whole of all 
the countries because you got 

456
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:18,280
Buryhua Aragawi who was silver 
and then you got Binyamahari who

457
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,960
posted the fastest 10K time last
year although he doesn't have as

458
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:23,720
much cross country experience I 
think. 

459
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,320
I asked someone from from 
Ethiopia the other day. 

460
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:28,840
I was like, is this his first? 
Cross country race. 

461
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,160
Because he doesn't have anything
on record on one of the 

462
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,280
databases that I was looking at,
but he maybe he has one race in 

463
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,600
Ethiopia. 
But I think you've got to 

464
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,280
acknowledge that where they 
train, they don't train on 

465
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,200
tracks over there. 
They train basically cross 

466
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,600
country all the time, right? 
It's not, I don't think it's, I 

467
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,720
don't think it's far. 
Yeah, but I mean, I'm, so I'm, 

468
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,600
I'm my hopes are still high for 
Binyam Mahari to do really well 

469
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,680
this weekend. 
And then I took a closer look at

470
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,800
the Kenyan team that is 
competing. 

471
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:03,080
And so they're led by Daniel 
Benyo, who was the number one 

472
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:10,880
ranked Kenyan or #1 ranked 10K 
runner in 2024 because he was a 

473
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,720
silver medalist in Budapest. 
And then he falls at the pre 

474
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:20,840
classic men's 10K, which doubled
as the Kenyan national selection

475
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,680
race for the World 
Championships. 

476
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:28,040
I don't know for the Olympics 
and he didn't get selected to 

477
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:31,400
the team even with the 
discretionary spot by Athletics 

478
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:32,880
Kenya. 
So he's like, all right, well, 

479
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,200
I'm going to move to the 
marathon and he does OK at the 

480
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,040
marathon he runs two O 6 and 
then last year runs I believe 

481
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:44,520
like two O 7 again and he runs 
Chicago. 

482
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:49,080
I think he runs like 2O8IN 
Chicago and then three weeks 

483
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,960
later wins the Kenyan cross 
country championships. 

484
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,840
It sounds like maybe he's going 
to contemplate returning to the 

485
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,960
track. 
Yes, there's a bunch of money in

486
00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:03,560
the marathon and he could 
probably still cash in on that. 

487
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,720
But for 2027, he could 
potentially return to the track 

488
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:12,000
as we saw like the Kenyan men 
missed the podium in the 10K at 

489
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,520
the World Championships for the 
first time since 2000, 2011. 

490
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:19,800
And that's like that's a no no. 
Like they they're very upset. 

491
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,920
So they want they want to 
restore some order in the 10K 

492
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,920
and Daniel Benio's like, all 
right, I'll if I if, if me 

493
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,320
coming back to the 10K is what 
it takes to get our country back

494
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,680
on the podium, then he might be 
willing to make that move. 

495
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:37,800
And so he leads the the team. 
There's no Ishmael Kip Karoui. 

496
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:39,520
He he has been added to the 
team. 

497
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,400
So he was a late, well, he's a 
late add to the team. 

498
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,600
So he obviously came fourth in 
the 10K at the World 

499
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,160
Championships, but he came 15th 
at their trials, which is why he

500
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,800
wasn't initially selected to the
team. 

501
00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,560
But then there was a late 
announcement. 

502
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,520
I think it was just last week or
something where he was added to 

503
00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,200
the team and he is now on that. 
And yeah, yeah, he wasn't on the

504
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,880
initial team, so that is a late 
out. 

505
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,480
But there are 8 guys on his 
list. 

506
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,640
So we don't necessarily know 
which six are going to be 

507
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:12,280
running. 
But Ishmael Crew obviously is. 

508
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,560
He was their top finisher at 
worlds. 

509
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:19,960
He won the NCAA 10K last year. 
He placed in there obviously at 

510
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,280
Pre as well to to make that 
Kenyan team for Waltz so. 

511
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,200
All right. 
So I mean, there's actually, I 

512
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,760
would say they've got a really 
strong 1-2 punch as well when 

513
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,840
you've got Ebenyo and Kip Kurui,
because those will be the two 

514
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,560
guys leading them. 
Because behind them you've got, 

515
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,160
you know, Kevin Chesang, who's 
20 years old, Dennis Kemboy, 19 

516
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,360
years old, Robert Koich, 28 
years old, Shadrach Koich, 28 

517
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:43,280
years old, Weldon Lagat, 27 
years old. 

518
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,560
It's a mixed bag. 
Like you got guys who have no 

519
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,160
experience competing at the 
global stage and also not. 

520
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,600
The best of? 
PBS like there's a, you know, 

521
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:59,600
Koech is a 1312 guy. 
One of them's 60 minute half 

522
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:05,360
marathoner, Weldon Lagat ran 
1333 for five K, 2724 for 10K. 

523
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,800
So it's like, it's not even like
the strongest Kenyan team that's

524
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,920
coming to Tallahassee behind Kip
Karoui and a Benyo. 

525
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,120
So I'm not necessarily sold on 
their chances to repeat as the 

526
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:21,240
gold medalist. 
And then if you look at if you 

527
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,640
want to give the edge to 
Ethiopia, they've also got like 

528
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:31,400
a very young squad behind 
Irigawi and Mahari. 

529
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,200
Mahari's super young. 
But the rest of the guys, 

530
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,320
Dolphin Chilimo, 20 years old. 
Dan Kibet, 21 years old, 

531
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,280
Emmanuel Kibet. 
Oh, no, this is the Ugandan 

532
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,480
team. 
I'm sorry, the Ugandan team 

533
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,440
behind Kaplimo, now they've made
the podium of the last couple 

534
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,800
times. 
Jacob Kaplimo, I mean, there's 

535
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,040
not too much to say about him 
except that he's probably the 

536
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,240
favorite. 
I give him major props for 

537
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,480
committing to world cross 
country championships because 

538
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,760
there's a good chance that he 
could just be taking this time 

539
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,640
to get ready for the London 
Marathon and going and trying to

540
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,720
RIP a fast time there. 
But back in the 80s and in the, 

541
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:16,840
it used to be that this event 
would draw some of the best 

542
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,440
marathoners in the world, like 
the the world's cross country 

543
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,520
champions were known as like the
hardest race and, and would 

544
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,120
bring out the best distance 
runners. 

545
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,320
So many of them were would be 
marathoners. 

546
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,480
It's been, I guess since, well, 
in recent years now you put 

547
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,040
Kiplimo in there because he's 
now in heading into the second 

548
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,040
year as a marathoner. 
But before that, maybe Joffrey 

549
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,160
Kemwar, who won this for a 
couple times and then and was 

550
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,560
the New York City Marathon 
champion. 

551
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:47,080
He may have been like the last 
guy who was like a really good 

552
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,920
marathoner to still run cross 
country. 

553
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,720
So when there's been just sort 
of like this thought of like has

554
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:58,120
world cross losses shine a bit, 
part of it is like you have to 

555
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,400
incentivize some of those top 
marathoners to to show up. 

556
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,440
And I give Kiplimo big props 
for, for, for showing up, but 

557
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,080
he's got a young team behind him
because he's #2 Joshua chapter 

558
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:14,440
guy is committed to the, the 
money in the, in the marathon, I

559
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,679
think at this point. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

560
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,880
But yeah, I think it's still 
intriguing that you you've 

561
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,280
obviously got you've got France,
you've got Ethiopia, you've got 

562
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,480
Kenya and and the USI think has 
got a shot of of being up there.

563
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:30,840
It sort of depends how quick 
they go out, I suspect. 

564
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:35,400
But if they don't go out crazy 
quick and then then I think 

565
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,400
everyone's in the mix. 
I'm glad you're the one who said

566
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,719
it because I didn't want it to 
just sort of come off as just 

567
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,159
sort of like American bias to 
think like. 

568
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,400
Should we be thinking about 
finishing in the top five? 

569
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,440
Maybe you're in the podium. 
I think, I think that, I think, 

570
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,840
I think here that there aren't. 
I mean, there are a huge number 

571
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,120
of teams that have got 4 scorers
to start with, right? 

572
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,040
And, and four that are going to 
score well. 

573
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,880
I think the US team is one of 
those that has, you know, we've 

574
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:07,120
put forward a, a strong team for
the US and yeah, there's 

575
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,800
therefore a good chance that, 
you know, when you've got Grand 

576
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,120
Blancs, Nico Young, Parker Wolf,
etcetera in there. 

577
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:15,720
I think you, you and Rocky 
Hanson, given what he's done 

578
00:35:15,720 --> 00:35:18,640
recently, I think you, you, 
you've got to think that that 

579
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:22,320
there's a good shot of, of being
close to the podium. 

580
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,840
I think you know it, it is hard 
and to know how things are going

581
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,800
to shake out in the world cross 
because we don't really 

582
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:32,640
obviously see these guys run in 
the same way. 

583
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,280
And when you've got you know, 6 
Ethiopians, 6 Kenyans, 6 

584
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:40,400
Ugandans, etcetera upfront and 
then a bunch of others. 

585
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:43,040
We've got Tanzania, we've got 
Gabriel Guiller who's who's a 

586
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:45,920
very good marathoner who could 
potentially feature pretty 

587
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,440
highly. 
And there's lots of other, you 

588
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:52,400
know, Adrian Wilsgut and other 
sort of odd runners from from 

589
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:54,520
various countries who could who 
could feature right up there. 

590
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:59,120
So it's, you know, you don't 
really know how the placings are

591
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,000
eventually going to shake out 
for the team score. 

592
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,760
And and we don't really get much
info to kind of really give us a

593
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:12,000
good, good insight into that. 
But yeah, it would, you know, I 

594
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,520
think there's every possibility 
that that the Americans do quite

595
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,120
well. 
Yeah, it's like you can't really

596
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:20,120
necessarily draw a ton off of 
like track PBS and how it'll 

597
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,040
convert to cross country. 
But I I mean. 

598
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,880
You should take I guess. 
Some confidence of the fact that

599
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,600
like you've got 2. 
Sub. 

600
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:38,360
Sub 1250 guys in Grand Blanks 
and Nico Young, you've got other

601
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:43,120
guys who are close like I think 
Rocky Hansen's A13O7 guy. 

602
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:47,600
Same thing with Ahmed Mohammed. 
And from my understanding, isn't

603
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,520
Tallahassee's been fast in the 
past as well? 

604
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:58,400
So when you line up track PVS, 
sometimes it's like the US team 

605
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:04,520
looks a bit more impressive than
the, you know, the back half of 

606
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:10,040
the, the Ethiopian and or not 
maybe not the Ethiopian, but at 

607
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,800
least like the Kenyan and 
Ugandan pack. 

608
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,560
So that's where sort of like if 
it it's, it's apples to oranges,

609
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:21,440
but at the same time, it could 
get you thinking that the US has

610
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,280
a shot to do pretty well. 
So that's the men's side. 

611
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,760
Before we move on, I did want to
shout out the best named athlete

612
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,560
in the game. 
Who is the Seychelles? 

613
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,720
Is Gaylord silly? 
That is literally his name. 

614
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,680
It's a fantastic name. 39 years 
old coming to to world cross 

615
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:40,440
country. 
Where is he from? 

616
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,240
I can't remember seeing them 
with Seychelles, which which is 

617
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:45,160
a group of islands in the Indian
nation. 

618
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,400
Yeah, I guess like fun, fun fact
for people listening who want to

619
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,440
know, just sort of like, oh, 
what countries will be at the. 

620
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,760
So I did do like an in and out. 
Like we have 15 new countries in

621
00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,240
on the men's side, 11 countries 
out compared from 20/24 to 

622
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:04,760
20/20/26. 
So the 15 new countries that 

623
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:08,520
will be represented in 2026 
men's side will be Bolivia, 

624
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:14,600
China, the Ivory Coast, Guam, 
Israel, Jordan, Latvia, Namibia,

625
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:19,680
Philippines, Papua New Guinea, 
French Polynesia, Senegal, 

626
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:24,600
Sudan, Sweden, Venezuela. 
So the, and I think given all of

627
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:27,680
the, you know, the political 
climate here in the United 

628
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:31,720
States, Venezuela, I believe 
will be represented by Luis 

629
00:38:31,720 --> 00:38:34,320
Orta. 
And he had an Instagram post 

630
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,960
actually that just went up 
yesterday. 

631
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:42,320
I think about his feelings 
after, you know, President 

632
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,760
Donald Trump and his 
administration is captured, the 

633
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,120
Venezuelan president and brought
him into custody in the United 

634
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:54,560
States and the reactions that 
you see on the news from the 

635
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,520
Venezuelan community. 
And so he kind of puts, you 

636
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,040
know, he shares his thoughts 
plus what it's going to mean to 

637
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,960
represent Venezuela this 
upcoming weekend. 

638
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,840
So I came across that. 
I thought it was interesting. 

639
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,760
So all right, then let's touch 
on the women's side. 

640
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:15,520
So the individual race, it's 
pretty wide open. 

641
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:20,800
Agnes Ingettich, who was the 
bronze medalist in 2024 or 2023,

642
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:27,600
world 10K road, 10K world record
holder. 

643
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,920
She's, you know, probably the 
person to beat. 

644
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:37,360
I would say in in this one, the 
Ethiopian squad pretty strong, 

645
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:44,440
Sheree Demise, Ashley Boeke. 
I think these are all names that

646
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,280
I kind of recognize from some of
those like the the Rome Diamond 

647
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,520
League 5K or like the Xiamen 
Diamond League 5K when it's like

648
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:57,800
60% of an Ethiopian field. 
Like these are some of those 

649
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:00,520
names that occupy those start 
lists well. 

650
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,160
Sunny at Guetta Chu, 
interestingly, was the one who 

651
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:08,000
won the U20 race last time out, 
so she's kind of moving up so so

652
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,960
she could well be be a 
contender. 

653
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:17,000
You get that a lot on the 
Ethiopian side where it's their 

654
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,040
junior team. 
Like when you look at the 

655
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:21,800
credentials for some of these 
athletes at least like on the 

656
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,880
men's side, and it probably 
applies to a couple of these 

657
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:29,200
women as well that oh, they were
like the 3K gold medalist or the

658
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,480
5K silver medalist at the World 
E 20 championships. 

659
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,960
The problem is going to be for 
Ethiopia in EU 20 race is that 

660
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:43,640
they're not going to be able to 
have too many people competing 

661
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:49,280
because they have one guy 
entered in EU 20 race and three 

662
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,920
women entered in EU 20 race for 
this weekend. 

663
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:59,400
And that's because they ran into
visa issues and weren't able to 

664
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,720
get clearance to travel to the 
United States. 

665
00:41:02,720 --> 00:41:06,880
So I, I, when I was snooping 
around yesterday to try and 

666
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,240
figure out to start writing at 
least a preview, I was like, we 

667
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:11,640
have no idea who's competing at 
this thing. 

668
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,480
So I messaged someone from in 
Ethiopia and I was like, have 

669
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:17,600
you heard of anyone who's like 
on this team? 

670
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,480
And so they sent me like the 
results of the national 

671
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:22,240
championship and who may be part
of it. 

672
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,280
But then they noted it was like,
out of 32 Ethiopian runners, 12 

673
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,840
were unable to obtain US visas. 
Most of them are under 18. 

674
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,760
And they will attend an 
interview at the US Embassy in 

675
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,960
Addis Ababa tomorrow as a last 
chance. 

676
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,960
And so then today I kind of 
checked in and I was like, I'm 

677
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,360
guessing the visa appointment 
didn't work out and they were 

678
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:44,400
like, not good news. 
So that is super unfortunate. 

679
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:50,960
And you also have to wonder, I 
guess, like what if this is 

680
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,480
going to be an issue in other 
sports because the United States

681
00:41:54,480 --> 00:42:01,200
is hosting the World Cup this 
summer and the the the the 

682
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:04,600
Winter Olympics, I think coming 
up as well, then the LA 

683
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,040
Olympics. 
So, yeah, I mean, immigration 

684
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,920
hot button issue in the United 
States, but sometimes it could 

685
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:16,160
seep into sports as well. 
All right, so back to just sort 

686
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:22,320
of like the entries in this one 
we had on the women's side, the 

687
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,800
US women's team. 
We we know who's been running 

688
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,960
for a couple weeks now, Weenie 
Kolodi is one of the track 10K 

689
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,280
stars from Paris who at least 
like, you know, made the team 

690
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:34,200
and is here Same with Kerscher 
Schweitzer. 

691
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:37,600
They're like, you know, a really
strong duo for the United 

692
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,760
States. 
Katie Izzo was really impressive

693
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,800
at the US cross country 
championships. 

694
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,720
I feel good about this US 
women's team. 

695
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,520
It's just a matter of like, how 
will they find a way to crack 

696
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,000
The Ethiopians, the Kenyans and 
also Uganda? 

697
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,840
Uganda's got Rebecca Chalanga, 
Sarah Chalanga, George 

698
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:58,720
Sheptoyak, like those are three 
athletes that have represented 

699
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:03,920
Uganda at a world championship 
in recent years, So they've got 

700
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:09,160
quite a bit of depth as well. 
And then, you know, I'm looking 

701
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:14,360
at some of these other countries
and it looks like 14 countries 

702
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,120
have at least 4 athletes entered
for the team race. 

703
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,960
So yeah, I mean, it'll be, it'll
be fun. 

704
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:27,560
We'll do a deeper preview come 
later this week when we are in 

705
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:32,200
Tallahassee and we get a chance 
to, you know, hear and see who 

706
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:36,200
will actually be assembling 
these squads because, you know, 

707
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,480
again, some of these note 
reserves. 

708
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,600
And we don't want sort of like 
any confusion or start to jump 

709
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,000
into like, all right, who's 
competing, Who's not? 

710
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,200
And then for the people 
wondering, all right, like, this

711
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,280
sounds fine and dandy. 
Like, where can I watch it for 

712
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,000
the viewers in the United 
States? 

713
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,600
I know this, I guess like I was 
digging around and I couldn't 

714
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,800
find anything on Peacock. 
When you search by like live and

715
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:06,280
upcoming, I like click even on 
like the the category for track 

716
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:08,160
and there wasn't anything that 
would come up. 

717
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,560
So unless they they add it in 
the next day or so, my 

718
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,120
understanding and what I've been
told is that you'll be able to 

719
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:19,160
stream the world cross country 
championships on Peacock and 

720
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:24,760
that there will also be ATV 
window live on CNBC. 

721
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:28,760
So that's how you can watch 
World Cross country this 

722
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:32,000
weekend. 
Sidious Mag will be on site with

723
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,040
a six. 
We're doing pre show, post show.

724
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:41,840
And then myself, Eric, Aisha, 
Mack, we've got our team of 

725
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,680
four. 
Those are those could be our 4 

726
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:49,080
scores unless Audrey or Paul 
will also be there on site. 

727
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,640
So we got six. 
We have our full team of six and

728
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:57,080
only four will score in the Fun 
Run Community race that follows 

729
00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,280
the cross country championship. 
So we'll see. 

730
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:04,720
You know how we all shake out. 
Eric and Mack did finish ahead 

731
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:09,200
of me at the Toronto Waterfront 
Marathon 5K. 

732
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:14,120
They put the squeeze on me and I
wasn't able to match their 

733
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,240
closing speed. 
So we'll see how I do. 

734
00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:21,000
I haven't run cross country 
since a long time. 

735
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:24,960
I would say my maybe my last 
cross country race was in 2000 

736
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:30,360
and 17 or something like that. 
It was like an all comers race 

737
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:35,400
in Courtland Park. 
So we'll see how I how I do my 

738
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,640
thoughts on the course. 
Looks funky, kind of looks like 

739
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,720
very Spartan racy. 
And I like. 

740
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,800
I'm pretty you're the resident 
Brit here, like who I know you 

741
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,360
guys are all just so high and 
mighty on like what real cross 

742
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:52,120
country is and this doesn't. 
Really fit in. 

743
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,480
No, I mean we, we know that that
Florida course and that that's 

744
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:57,880
used quite frequently fenced 
delays. 

745
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:00,480
It's kind of it's, it is what it
is, right. 

746
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,120
It's a, it's a flat class 
course. 

747
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,200
It's not particularly muddy, I 
mean. 

748
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:05,720
Some people think it's short, 
yeah. 

749
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,440
But you know, at the end of the 
day, they they tried to put a 

750
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,160
bit of fun in there and we saw 
that, you know, that Euro cross 

751
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:18,480
country course was very strange 
as well and produce some 

752
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,640
interesting results and and some
some fun races. 

753
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,800
So, you know, I hope that 
whatever they've done to this 

754
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,120
course here to add to the kind 
of basic flat nature of it, I 

755
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,240
think will will add enough 
intrigue to to keep things 

756
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:33,880
interesting. 
All right, that does it for our 

757
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,520
brief touch on world cross 
country and some of the events 

758
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,480
to watch in 2026. 
In the second-half of this 

759
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episode, you're going to hear 
our. 

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Bold. 
Predictions for 2026. 

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And so for that, we decided to 
bring in a couple more members 

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of the Sidious Mag team. 
So stay with us. 

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All right, we are back. 
And for the second-half of this 

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episode, we're going to hit 
people with our. 

840
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:20,120
Bold. 
Predictions for 2026 in track 

841
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,760
and field. 
I guess we can also touch on the

842
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:27,520
marathons and then events that 
will also be taking place that 

843
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:32,440
maybe are outside of your 
traditional track norms, but for

844
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,320
this I've enlisted. 
The help of. 

845
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:37,720
A lot of the Sidious team, I 
guess we did a public call out 

846
00:51:37,720 --> 00:51:42,200
who wants to share their bold 
predictions and so on this we've

847
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:47,760
got David Mellie, Mack Fleet 
Anderson, Emeril, Paul Hoff 

848
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,160
Mahoney, and then Preet Majithia
and myself. 

849
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,600
We invited Ayesha. 
She couldn't make it. 

850
00:51:53,600 --> 00:52:00,120
She's at her day job at Adobe. 
But we are going to separate 

851
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:06,040
this into different categories. 
So the first category is news 

852
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,840
and cultural. 
So for this I'm thinking just 

853
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,560
sort of like bigger picture 
ideas because The thing is with 

854
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,640
predictions is many times people
are just like, well, I think 

855
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:16,920
this person is going to run this
or this person is going to win 

856
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,360
this. 
And sometimes those predictions 

857
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:20,880
could get boring. 
So we want to get a little bit 

858
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,480
creative and think bigger 
picture. 

859
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:26,760
And so that's maybe I think 
things that will fall into the 

860
00:52:27,720 --> 00:52:29,560
news and cultural side of 
things. 

861
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,520
Then we'll do some performance 
related predictions. 

862
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,240
And then lastly, because the big
event of the year will be the 

863
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:44,320
World Ultimate Championships, we
can have a bunch of predictions 

864
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,480
tied to that in that third 
category. 

865
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:50,520
So. 
For news and cultural I guess. 

866
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:56,800
I can lead us off because one of
the events that will, I think, 

867
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:03,240
pop off in the track and just 
general sports landscape if it 

868
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:07,120
does happen, because I don't 
believe ticket sales have 

869
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,040
started for it and it's slated 
to be in May, is the enhanced 

870
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:16,280
games. 
And I know that we kind of at 

871
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,640
the very beginning of it where 
like this is so silly, like 

872
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:21,280
we're going to totally turn a 
blind eye to it and ignore it. 

873
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,280
But once Fred Curley got added 
to it, it was sort of like, all 

874
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,720
right, that is a pretty big 
star. 

875
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,480
It is worth a little bit of our 
attention. 

876
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,520
But my bold prediction, and I 
don't know how bold it exactly 

877
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,320
might be, is that while this 
whole thing has been built on 

878
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:42,160
the premise that you will can 
juice up and and dope your way 

879
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:47,000
to breaking bolts world record. 
My prediction is that what if 

880
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,320
the enhanced games men's 100m 
actually happens? 

881
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,920
None of the guys in that race 
are going to break 10 seconds. 

882
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:58,200
That includes Fred. 
It's matati, I think is also in 

883
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:02,560
it as well. 
And there's a French guy. 

884
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:06,480
I, I I'm forgetting who it was. 
Anderson, your initial thoughts 

885
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:09,880
on none of these guys breaking 
10 seconds? 

886
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:15,400
I This is pretty bold, I think 
because mainly because of Fred. 

887
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,720
If Fred wasn't there then I 
probably would agree. 

888
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,440
It's happening in May I'm. 
It's early. 

889
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,840
It's early. 
One of my things was like, I 

890
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,240
don't even know if it actually 
does happen or it gets delayed. 

891
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:32,720
But I think the fact that Fred 
is there and he is more than 

892
00:54:32,720 --> 00:54:36,800
capable of breaking 10, that 
makes it really bold of like, 

893
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,120
OK, if if he doesn't break 10, 
then it's this is just like, 

894
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:41,960
what's the point? 
The whole marketing idea was 

895
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,800
like, break the world record, 
use whatever. 

896
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:47,280
It's like, yeah, I don't know. 
From my understanding too, and 

897
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,280
it sounds like from a behind the
scenes standpoint is that 

898
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,560
they're struggling. 
The women's one is not even 

899
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:57,720
going to come close to trying to
break Flojo's world record 10 

900
00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:02,640
four like no chance like the and
and they're struggling, I think 

901
00:55:02,800 --> 00:55:05,040
to recruit athletes on the 
women's side. 

902
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,000
I think there's only one female 
sprinter committed to the whole 

903
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,360
entire thing as of right now. 
And we're, you know, 4 1/2 

904
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:17,520
months away from this event. 
So I think on the track side of 

905
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:20,440
it, it's going to be a total 
bust. 

906
00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:24,320
And I guess that's a Hooray for 
clean sport. 

907
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:30,840
But at the same time, it doesn't
even seem like anyone's juicing 

908
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:34,080
for this thing. 
Fred continues to be tested by 

909
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:39,200
USADA and there hasn't been any 
positive tests reported by the 

910
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,080
three athletes who have signed 
up on the men's side or on the 

911
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:47,160
the one on the women's side. 
So if the it's a big health and 

912
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,600
Wellness push that without the 
drugs, like it kind of defeats 

913
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,840
the whole purpose of what it was
sold as in the beginning. 

914
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:58,880
So I guess I'm going out and I'm
just saying no one's breaking 10

915
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,360
in the enhanced games men's 
hundred, and you want to have 

916
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,160
any other thoughts before we 
jump to the next news and 

917
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:09,760
cultural prediction? 
All right, we'll go to Mac. 

918
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:15,080
On the Mac, What's your news and
cultural prediction for 2020? 

919
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:18,840
6. 
My, I guess, bold prediction. 

920
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:25,320
I wish it seemed a little bit 
bigger deal, but the major races

921
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,280
are out and smaller minor races 
are going to be in. 

922
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,480
I think there's going to be kind
of a big counterculture push of 

923
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:37,680
like what is quote UN quote cool
are going to become these like 

924
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,400
smaller local races. 
And I could I could see like 

925
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:48,920
kind of the a mass narrative 
change about getting into these 

926
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:52,080
major marathons and it being 
kind of the coolest thing to run

927
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:56,960
a local, smaller race. 
You kind of already see it in in

928
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:01,320
some of like the online chatter 
about people who qualify, you 

929
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,800
know, to New York or Chicago or 
Boston especially, or how 

930
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:08,720
difficult it is to get into, you
know, like the London Marathon 

931
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:13,560
that socially, at least online, 
it's going to be kind of like a 

932
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,320
cool thing to push out that 
you're choosing not to run one 

933
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,240
of those marathons and you're 
actually choosing to run a 

934
00:57:20,240 --> 00:57:22,520
smaller local race. 
So you think the world majors 

935
00:57:22,520 --> 00:57:24,680
get? 
Like cancelled culturally. 

936
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:29,760
I, I think it's going to, I, I 
could easily see it happen like 

937
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,520
where people are kind of like 
look down upon for like 

938
00:57:32,520 --> 00:57:35,600
accepting entries like that for 
some, some reason. 

939
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:38,840
I don't know what that reason 
is, but it'll be like a, yeah, 

940
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,080
I'm supporting my local marathon
instead of going and doing that 

941
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:47,400
and kind of being like a, yeah, 
well, I ran my, I ran my PB at 

942
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,880
my local town race. 
And you, like you chose to like,

943
00:57:52,200 --> 00:57:55,520
burn the environment down to the
ground by traveling to Chicago. 

944
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:58,560
I I see. 
That online when people, when 

945
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,040
you have like the influencers 
who were like, I ran all six 

946
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:07,760
majors in one year or now it's 7
majors and then like a handful 

947
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:10,520
of the comments in there, while 
yes, you, you will attract the 

948
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:14,200
people like that's so cool, man.
Then there are a couple that are

949
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:17,760
like, yeah, but you destroyed an
entire rainforest. 

950
00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:22,680
Yeah, I mean that. 
That's just Yeah, I, I, I, I'm, 

951
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:25,520
Yeah. 
For 2026, small local races in 

952
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,000
the big mages are out. 
All right, all right. 

953
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,040
Anyone else have any counter 
thought to that whole entire 

954
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,200
thing? 
No. 

955
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:39,240
All right, we'll move to David. 
David, you're what's your 

956
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:41,760
cultural or news bold 
prediction? 

957
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,600
21st of all, sorry my audio is 
not great. 

958
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:47,840
We were going to live with it, 
but this is also a marathon 

959
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:50,560
debut. 
Marathon take. 

960
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,880
We're going to get a lot of big 
marathon debuts this year. 

961
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,080
If you look at where we are in 
the schedule, the lack of a 10K 

962
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:00,800
at World Ultimate Championships 
and the fact that if you do want

963
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:05,040
to dip your toe in the marathon 
and then dip it back out if it 

964
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:09,320
doesn't go well, you have plenty
of time to cure back up and and 

965
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:11,520
kind of pick a lane for the next
Olympic cycle. 

966
00:59:11,840 --> 00:59:15,320
But this fall especially, you 
know, I don't want to call 

967
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:20,080
anyone out, but like, if you're 
Grant Fisher or what he Kincaid 

968
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,720
or, you know, one of these guys,
Sean Mcgourty, one of these guys

969
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:28,280
that's, you know, found his most
success in the 10K on the track 

970
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,800
recently, but hasn't like really
all the way committed to the 

971
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:34,120
roads. 
This is the year to do it. 

972
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:38,000
And there's so little downside 
in terms of, you know, passing 

973
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,920
up medals, passing up checks, 
you know, the ability to kind of

974
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:44,440
go back to the track if you if 
it doesn't go well. 

975
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:47,800
I think we're getting a lot of 
big marathon debuts this fall. 

976
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:52,920
I can see it. 
It's a it's a like low risk, 

977
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,840
high reward opportunity for 
people in the fall. 

978
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,800
Plus you'd likely would get paid
like I think it's. 

979
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,840
Probably not going to be a 
surprise if Weenie Colati debuts

980
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:06,840
in the marathon this fall. 
And it's at the same time 

981
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:09,080
someone like Weenie's a little 
bit different because it's been 

982
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:14,160
more of a methodical, thoughtful
approach to similar to Sharon 

983
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,200
Loquetti is making sure that the
transition happens at the right 

984
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,920
time. 
And so I can see that on the 

985
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:23,440
subject of a lot of things that 
we'll see more of this year. 

986
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:28,240
We just saw it with Beatrice 
Chibet, but pregnancy 

987
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:32,720
announcements, I think in 2026, 
like this is the year I think 

988
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:37,920
that athletes, especially some 
who like are in events that you 

989
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,080
know, they are not going to be 
contested at the World Ultimate 

990
01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:45,200
Championships or maybe you're 
not quite ready to move up in 

991
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,480
distance or don't have the 
versatility to try to a 

992
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:50,840
different event. 
This is the year to, you know, 

993
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:54,920
try and start a family or add to
the family like and I think that

994
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:59,400
we'll see a lot of that. 
And again, I wonder, you know, 

995
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:03,040
some people have already gotten 
started in the process of that 

996
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:07,080
and we'll find out in the coming
months that ex athlete won't be 

997
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,120
competing during the outdoor 
season. 

998
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:13,160
So I think there'll be some more
of that as well. 

999
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,960
All right, we'll move to pre 
pre. 

1000
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:20,960
What's your news and cultural? 
Mine's a bit of an offbeat one. 

1001
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,920
I'm going to say that Cole 
Hocker, who's just released a 

1002
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,560
new single. 
Him and Jakobin Britsen link up 

1003
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,880
to to to release a Josh Curtis 
track. 

1004
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,800
I think this one's I of all the 
ones that have been spit out so 

1005
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:36,480
far as the least likely. 
It probably is. 

1006
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:40,000
I think it's more likely that we
get Jakob and Mondo linking up 

1007
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:43,360
because that's their kind of 
more Scandinavian neighbors and 

1008
01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:46,040
and and so on. 
But I thought that was a fun one

1009
01:01:46,040 --> 01:01:46,880
just to throw. 
Out that's. 

1010
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:48,400
A crazy old prediction. 
Would be the. 

1011
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:53,440
We should make a bigger thing of
what it's. 

1012
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:54,120
True. 
Yeah, Yeah. 

1013
01:01:54,920 --> 01:02:00,280
It's true we should make a 
bigger thing about like, oh, 

1014
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:05,040
Cole Hawker got X more streams 
on Spotify than Mondo Duplantis.

1015
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,880
And just like pit people, like 
pit two really good athletes 

1016
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,360
against one another for their 
musical talents. 

1017
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,800
All right, Anderson, what do you
what do you have for news or 

1018
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,840
cultural for 2026? 
So I have that. 

1019
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:23,800
I show Speed is going to compete
in an actual meet in 2026. 

1020
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,760
I think obviously he's done the 
thing with Noah. 

1021
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:32,600
We just saw him do the thing 
with Ray Schlitzelay, but I 

1022
01:02:32,600 --> 01:02:34,720
think he actually competes in a 
meet now. 

1023
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:38,920
I'm not saying it's gonna be 
like a big meet, like a Diamond 

1024
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,120
League or. 
Come on, Anderson, you gotta say

1025
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,240
to make it bold, you gotta say 
he's gonna be at USAS. 

1026
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:48,600
That that'd be like too much. 
I I think it ends up being where

1027
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:52,240
at least by the end of the year,
he gets some mark on World 

1028
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,200
Athletics. 
Like we can see Tyree kills 

1029
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,120
races there. 
We can see DK and Metcalf there.

1030
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,880
That I think happens with I show
speed and I see it in like the 

1031
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:02,640
build up to the LA Olympics. 
Now, I'm not saying he's going 

1032
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,720
to qualify to compete there, but
I think he's going to be heavily

1033
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:08,960
part of whatever like, you know,
branding and promotion. 

1034
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:13,520
And I think he just did like the
like the I Show speed ghost pro 

1035
01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,400
situation where he did a whole 
bunch of things with other 

1036
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,520
sports. 
I think he actually dipped his 

1037
01:03:17,520 --> 01:03:21,000
toes into track and field, maybe
100, maybe a long jump, but he 

1038
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,160
actually gets a competition 
under his belt. 

1039
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:27,160
I like it. 
And I think that, yeah, to your 

1040
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:30,920
point, NBC is cutting that 
check. 

1041
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:33,840
It's just a matter of like how 
big it is, I think at that point

1042
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:37,600
for him to be involved in their 
coverage in a similar sort of 

1043
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:42,800
vein to Snoop Dogg in 2020, 
2024, they probably bring Snoop 

1044
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,800
Dogg is back, I think apparently
for like the Winter Olympics. 

1045
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,760
So do you keep Snoop involved? 
And then you add, I show speed. 

1046
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:53,520
You're just tapping into. 
When we looked at the past of 

1047
01:03:54,280 --> 01:04:01,600
the TV ratings for NBC and these
track broadcasts, the 18 to 20 

1048
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:05,080
to 34 demographic is all always 
terrible. 

1049
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,800
TV audiences tend to skew much 
older. 

1050
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,880
Now streaming, I guess those 
numbers are harder to find. 

1051
01:04:12,880 --> 01:04:20,120
Peacock, they're private. 
But with if I show speed brokers

1052
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:25,240
some sort of relationship with 
NBC to do some sort of simulcast

1053
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:29,480
or stream parts of like the LA 
Olympics, I mean, those numbers 

1054
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:31,480
would be huge. 
Like you look at what he's doing

1055
01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:37,440
right now and he's on this like 
28 day live stream in Africa 

1056
01:04:37,480 --> 01:04:41,240
where I I think like it's a like
constant stream the whole entire

1057
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,760
time for 28 days. 
It's insane. 

1058
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:50,320
And the viewership on that while
he's sleeping, sometimes there's

1059
01:04:50,320 --> 01:04:52,120
a thousands of people watching 
this dude sleep. 

1060
01:04:53,400 --> 01:04:56,280
So yeah, I mean, it'd be a no 
brainer. 

1061
01:04:56,280 --> 01:05:00,000
He'd just be let's see, late to 
Bogo internet's having a field 

1062
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:04,800
day with that because he is 
Tobogo slipped out of the blocks

1063
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:09,720
and let him win. 
Mac, you were you had a great 

1064
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,120
text in our text thread. 
You said just a typical let's 

1065
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:15,720
see lay Diamond League effort 
being put into that. 

1066
01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,160
But yeah, I mean, I I I like it.
I like this one. 

1067
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:21,680
Anderson. 
Paul, you had your hand up to 

1068
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,280
with some thoughts. 
All I'm going to say is 

1069
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,760
Anderson, Don't forget he's also
thrown discus with me, Calissa 

1070
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,600
Lecner. 
So it might not just be a 

1071
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,360
Sprint. 
Maybe he'll do like a decathlon 

1072
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,560
or something. 
I that that would be I could see

1073
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:40,160
I show speed decathlon being 
some sort of like Peacock like 

1074
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:44,280
additional bonus feature in the 
lead up to the 28 trials or 

1075
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,600
whatever it might be. 
All right, Paul. 

1076
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:50,360
Well, you give us your news and 
cultural prediction for 2026. 

1077
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:57,720
This one would kind of end up 
being more of a news in 2027, 

1078
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:02,240
but I think this year very much 
a pipe dream. 

1079
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:05,080
But I think Hammer is so 
compelling. 

1080
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,520
They put in the Diamond League 
in 2027, which I know the 

1081
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,120
excitement and interest around 
the event isn't really the 

1082
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:13,600
issue. 
It's kind of facility issues in 

1083
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:17,720
a lot of the European stadiums. 
But I think we're in the best 

1084
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:19,320
age of Hammer that we've ever 
seen. 

1085
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:23,160
And so I think there's a chance 
everyone wants it, at least all 

1086
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:26,280
the throwers want it. 
I think there's a chance we 

1087
01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,400
could see enough momentum in the
Hammer this year to get it in 

1088
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,920
the Diamond League in 2027. 
OK. 

1089
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:37,880
In a similar vein, I thought you
were going to go like World 

1090
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:44,040
Athletics implements some sort 
of like AI is such a prominent 

1091
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:50,320
thing in just life and, and in 
general nowadays that it will 

1092
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:54,520
infiltrate the sport in some, 
I'm going to go ahead and say 

1093
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:58,800
dumb rule that World Athletics 
will try to impose upon a 

1094
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,720
certain event. 
They'll be like something is 

1095
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:07,000
going to be determined by AI and
it's going to be totally botched

1096
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,760
or mismanaged because what we've
learned is that AI doesn't 

1097
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,560
necessarily need to be applied 
to every single thing. 

1098
01:07:12,560 --> 01:07:16,600
I feel like World Athletics is 
going to try and promote 

1099
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,680
something as like we're on the 
cutting edge of doing something 

1100
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:24,760
and here's AI coming into the 
sport to be the marker for 

1101
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,400
shopping. 
Like shopping marks are going to

1102
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:30,640
now be measured by AI like that.
It could be something as dumb as

1103
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:31,800
that. 
I think you're. 

1104
01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:35,560
Forgetting that World Athletics 
is not the most likely culprit 

1105
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,520
for this. 
USATF is like 2 years removed 

1106
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:41,960
from trying to sell us NFTS. 
If anyone is going to do a 

1107
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:46,960
stupid AI gimmick to try and, 
you know, gin up some sort of 

1108
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,920
fan support, it's going to be 
USATF. 

1109
01:07:49,120 --> 01:07:50,840
Oh, you're saying the Max Siegel
chat bot? 

1110
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:53,880
Like the AI chat bot is coming 
in 2026. 

1111
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:56,800
All right, Mac. 
I was just going to say they'll 

1112
01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:01,560
use AI as the the new long jump 
and triple jump judge off the 

1113
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:06,160
the launch board. 
It's like track has such an 

1114
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:07,440
officials problem. 
Like you. 

1115
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:12,600
You go to a track meet, there's 
not a single young official in 

1116
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,600
attendance. 
You look around and like all 

1117
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:21,000
these people are cash and Social
Security checks and they're 

1118
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:24,600
someone's going to look at that 
and be like the, I know, I know 

1119
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:27,359
the solution. 
We're going to have AI in the 

1120
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:30,359
same way like baseball's trying 
to do the robot UPS and all that

1121
01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:32,000
stuff. 
Someone's going to look and be 

1122
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:36,600
like we're going with AI 
officials at track meets 

1123
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,640
starting next year and we're 
going to start testing it out at

1124
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:45,800
high school events and will be 
official will official list by 

1125
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:49,720
the 2029 World Championships. 
That could be it. 

1126
01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:54,960
Anyone else have any other ones 
that they want to rattle off of 

1127
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:58,640
like news or cultural bold? 
Predictions for 2026. 

1128
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:03,920
Does DK Metcalf ever race Noah 
Lyles or is that just a loss to 

1129
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,120
history? 
You're thinking Tyree kill. 

1130
01:09:06,120 --> 01:09:10,080
Whichever either both do they 
both race, I show speed. 

1131
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,080
Tyree Kill snapped his leg in 
half this year. 

1132
01:09:13,080 --> 01:09:14,960
I don't know how interesting 
that would be anymore. 

1133
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:20,760
I also think the momentum on 
that is like gone after last 

1134
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:23,399
year. 
Like they hyped it all up and 

1135
01:09:23,399 --> 01:09:25,359
Noel's like, yeah, I had this 
whole thing in Times Square, but

1136
01:09:25,359 --> 01:09:28,439
then he got injured. 
I, I think it's just like Tyree 

1137
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:32,399
kill between, yeah, getting his 
injury and like, I don't know, 

1138
01:09:32,399 --> 01:09:35,279
some controversial things like 
I, I don't know, I think it's 

1139
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:39,399
probably gone. 
I had another one that I just 

1140
01:09:39,399 --> 01:09:40,680
wrote down. 
It's just like a silly one. 

1141
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:44,120
I think that some like a 
professional runner. 

1142
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:50,720
It could be Clayton Young gets 
DQ D at a world major for 

1143
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,840
wearing Oakley meta glasses. 
Well, I. 

1144
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:58,200
I hope I think that someone at a
high profile event like a track 

1145
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:02,160
meet, say worlds or world 
ultimate or a national 

1146
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,480
championship will get DQ D for 
wearing the Oakley meta glasses 

1147
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:13,400
because one, they look cool to 
some people and they are capable

1148
01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:16,600
of recording video and we're 
seeing that all over Instagram 

1149
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:18,000
now. 
People are sharing the videos. 

1150
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:23,520
We did it with a New Balance 
indoor nationals last year or 

1151
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,640
two years ago now. 
So we're kind of ahead of the 

1152
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:32,600
curve on this, but it's not 
allowed on the in professional 

1153
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:38,440
races because of recording 
devices and also not that anyone

1154
01:10:38,440 --> 01:10:40,320
would go as far to use this. 
But like if? 

1155
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:42,720
You have your phone in your back
pocket and you have the Meta 

1156
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,240
glass on you. 
You could feel the phone call 

1157
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:46,760
and if you're running a major 
marathon or whatever it is and 

1158
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,240
you have your coach in your ear 
and says go now or whatever it 

1159
01:10:49,240 --> 01:10:52,640
is, it's grounds for for getting
DQ. 

1160
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:55,720
So I think that someone will 
learn the hard way and get DQ 

1161
01:10:55,720 --> 01:10:59,000
for wearing Oakley Meta glasses,
maybe at Ncas, but then again, 

1162
01:10:59,480 --> 01:11:03,080
the rules at Ncas are so flimsy 
it seems like. 

1163
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:08,120
And the other one that could be 
people getting in trouble would 

1164
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:12,720
be with Cauchy and all this, 
this unregulated betting. 

1165
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:17,440
Someone will post their race and
be like, I, you know, what is 

1166
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:19,920
the outcome of XYZ race and 
they're in it. 

1167
01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:23,120
And they'll place a bet on 
themselves or their friends 

1168
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:25,960
will, or whatever it is, and 
they'll tank. 

1169
01:11:26,480 --> 01:11:29,200
Because I think that one's, I 
think a little bit crazier than 

1170
01:11:29,200 --> 01:11:33,520
just regular sports betting. 
And so I think the AIU will have

1171
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:38,760
its first Cal Sheet case in 
2026. 

1172
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:41,920
So. 
Paul Yeah. 

1173
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:47,480
So I've got two more One I think
Winners Alliance is going to 

1174
01:11:47,480 --> 01:11:52,880
invest in the World Shot Put 
series, and the other one is 

1175
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:56,920
partially just as a salty 
University of Florida student. 

1176
01:11:57,280 --> 01:12:00,680
I think Jacoby Jordan decommits 
from Texas Tech and goes 

1177
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:04,400
somewhere else again. 
He apparently likes to do that. 

1178
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:08,760
We're overdue for a good track 
celebrity relationship. 

1179
01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:13,280
We got like, you know, Anna Hall
used to be dating that tennis 

1180
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:14,840
player. 
There was the whole thing with 

1181
01:12:14,840 --> 01:12:19,680
Nick Simmons and. 
And Shelton, She's engaged to a 

1182
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,080
Giant's receiver. 
Yeah, we need a good like still.

1183
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:26,800
Like Tate McRae or like role 
model like some sealess 

1184
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:30,320
celebrity has to has to date a a
track star that we need one of 

1185
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:32,600
those in 2026. 
Sydney Sweeney, right? 

1186
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:36,080
Like who's? 
Sweeney's too big for for little

1187
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:37,920
old track. 
I think we need like a like a, 

1188
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:43,120
you know, Real Housewife of Salt
Lake City or something. 

1189
01:12:43,480 --> 01:12:45,400
We are. 
Sydney, Sweden is too big for 

1190
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:46,960
track. 
But then like Nick Simmons is 

1191
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:50,120
allowed to date, go on a date 
with Paris Hilton. 

1192
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:51,560
I feel like Nick then you can 
make it. 

1193
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:56,040
You can make the case that Nick 
Simmons is too small for for 

1194
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:58,720
Paris Hilton. 
I feel like if if if. 

1195
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:03,280
Nick If Paris Hilton was in Nick
Simmons League then any track 

1196
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:04,520
runner would be in Sydney, 
Sweden. 

1197
01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,280
It's a good point. 
It's a it's a different time. 

1198
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,760
I don't know. 
I do feel like this pre maybe 

1199
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,560
could weigh in like a love 
Islander could could start 

1200
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,040
dating Keeley Hodgkinson like 
this does seem like something 

1201
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:15,240
that could easily come out of 
breath. 

1202
01:13:16,440 --> 01:13:20,040
Oh, I did have AI think that was
another one for news and 

1203
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:21,600
culture. 
I think Keeley Hodgkinson does 

1204
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:25,520
traitors UK celebrity like they 
they did one season of that. 

1205
01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:27,080
I think Keeley would be perfect 
for it. 

1206
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:30,280
They had Tom Daley and I think 
that they should cast Keeley 

1207
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:33,080
Hodgkinson in the next time that
they do that go around. 

1208
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:35,760
I think she and I think she 
would be really good at it. 

1209
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:40,040
So that's my other sort of like 
cultural take. 

1210
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,880
I'm sure there's some other 
things we could probably could 

1211
01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:45,520
have touched on. 
Matt Choi gets reinstated by New

1212
01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:47,560
York Rd. 
Runners for the New York City 

1213
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:49,520
Marathon or. 
I don't know. 

1214
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,360
There there could be a variety 
of things, but let's move on to 

1215
01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:55,440
because I feel like these this 
is the one where we'll have the 

1216
01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:57,640
most sort of like rapid fire 
ones. 

1217
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:02,320
And at the same time, like the 
most of we probably all can list

1218
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:05,720
off performance related 
predictions. 

1219
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:11,600
So this could be person runs X 
person breaks X sort of record. 

1220
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:15,240
So let's go with Preet on this 
one. 

1221
01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:17,360
You lead us off. 
What are some of the performance

1222
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:19,200
related predictions that you've 
got? 

1223
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:24,640
So I had Noah Lyles breaking his
American record in the 200 

1224
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:26,080
meters, but not breaking the 
world record. 

1225
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:34,600
So running somewhere below 1931 
but not below 1919, I had nobody

1226
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,640
breaking 142 in the 800, which I
think is quite similar to a 

1227
01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:40,160
prediction I had last year, but 
I'm going to go with it again. 

1228
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,040
And I had Donovan Brazier 
winning the World Ultimate 

1229
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:47,480
Championships 800 meters for 
good measure. 

1230
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:55,000
And then finally for a more fun 
one, I had Anna Hall running 158

1231
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,400
in the 800 meters. 
That one I think is your highest

1232
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:01,400
likelihood one because like, 
she's pretty wide open right now

1233
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:05,920
in terms of just what can she 
choose to do in the off year 

1234
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,440
without the Hiptathon being at 
the World Ultimate 

1235
01:15:08,440 --> 01:15:10,600
Championships. 
Yes. 

1236
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,160
So yeah, I really hope she does 
run an open eight. 

1237
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:16,560
I mean, she said she's gonna 
focus on got sis again, but 

1238
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,040
yeah, she'll hopefully do some 
other events as well. 

1239
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,400
Anderson, how do you feel about 
his No Lyles prediction? 

1240
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:28,040
I don't know I I did have a 
prediction that someone runs 19 

1241
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:33,400
at least 19 three this year, but
I don't know if Noah Lyles is 

1242
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:34,880
the one. 
I don't know if he's going to 

1243
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,920
break his personal best. 
I I was thinking more like Brian

1244
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:41,600
Lavelle, Kenny B or let's see 
lay one of them. 

1245
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,400
I don't know if Noah AI don't 
even know if Noah focuses on the

1246
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:49,200
200 this year and then BI think 
he may be. 

1247
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:51,800
Well, no, I don't. 
I don't think he's passed his 

1248
01:15:51,800 --> 01:15:54,800
his PB yet, but I I don't know. 
I'm not as confident in that. 

1249
01:15:54,840 --> 01:16:00,160
What do you think he focuses on?
I think he does the 400 in the 

1250
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:01,600
few races that he runs this 
year. 

1251
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:04,040
I don't think he runs very often
this year, but I think he tries 

1252
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:07,960
the 400 to because he he tried 
last year but he got injured. 

1253
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:10,360
Not saying he would have done it
at worlds but like I think he 

1254
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,000
wants to like take an off year 
to try something different. 

1255
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:16,640
Do you think the more time he 
takes away or like as he it 

1256
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,480
takes the time to just go all in
and say he says, all right, 2024

1257
01:16:19,480 --> 01:16:22,000
is going to be the year I'm 
going to go all in on the 400, 

1258
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,520
right? 
Doesn't that hurt his hundred? 

1259
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:29,080
You think in terms of just like 
if he has these audacious goals 

1260
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:33,840
of breaking Bolts world record, 
you're focusing on the 400 kind 

1261
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,200
of takes away from that, unless 
he's just giving up on the fact 

1262
01:16:36,200 --> 01:16:38,080
of like, yeah, no one's touching
95. 

1263
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,680
Yeah, maybe. 
I mean, I, I think he definitely

1264
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:45,080
wants to still like I think he 
said he wants to double in 2027 

1265
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:46,960
and beyond and stuff in the 100 
and 200. 

1266
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,600
But like, I, I think he probably
also realizes like let me let me

1267
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,760
try and like get an opportunity 
in an off year and in like the 

1268
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:55,320
last couple years I have in my 
career. 

1269
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,960
Like he's not going to be at the
top for, you know, many more 

1270
01:16:58,960 --> 01:16:59,800
years. 
These guys are coming. 

1271
01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,600
So I don't know. 
Paul, you had some thoughts. 

1272
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:07,040
I pre I was just wondering do 
you think he's going to pass 

1273
01:17:07,160 --> 01:17:12,360
Johan or and or do you not have 
any super specific positions on 

1274
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,600
where you think is 19 two is 
going to end up? 

1275
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:19,160
I think it's just that, you 
know, I, I've said it in the 

1276
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:23,400
past that he doesn't do as well 
in terms of times when he double

1277
01:17:23,400 --> 01:17:26,120
s or when he's focusing too much
100 and I and I think he really 

1278
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,160
wants a world record. 
So I think he's going to try 

1279
01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:33,680
and, and I think he realises 95 
is, is, you know, if he, if you 

1280
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,160
in his heart of hearts, he 
probably realised 95's a bit bit

1281
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:38,160
too much. 
So that's why I think he might 

1282
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:41,320
try and push for the, the 200 
world record. 

1283
01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:44,800
And, and that's where he breaks 
his PR if he focuses on it, 

1284
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,160
because I think it was just so 
easy for him to come back and 

1285
01:17:47,160 --> 01:17:50,640
run 195I mean like from injury, 
the way he did that last year, 

1286
01:17:50,640 --> 01:17:52,080
it's still quite, hugely 
impressive. 

1287
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:55,680
So I, I do think he could get 
close to that again. 

1288
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:58,800
But I I do think Bolt's record 
might be a little bit of stretch

1289
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:00,400
too far. 
Yeah, Mac, you were shaking her 

1290
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:03,520
head. 
You're like with with Noah 

1291
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:07,840
running faster in 2026. 
I think it's just tough for the 

1292
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:12,560
for a lot of the, I think it's 
tough for a lot of people to be 

1293
01:18:12,560 --> 01:18:15,000
in like that type of shape in an
off year. 

1294
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:21,360
You just have to be so perfect 
in everything with with like the

1295
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:25,640
most focus to do that kind of 
stuff. 

1296
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:29,400
And generally that happens in 
Olympic years or you know, in 

1297
01:18:29,400 --> 01:18:32,040
world champs years. 
And like those records come 

1298
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:37,440
during those major championships
or the path towards them in the 

1299
01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:41,400
lead up. 
And like, I don't know, I don't 

1300
01:18:41,400 --> 01:18:45,360
know if I see Noah that locked 
in this year during an off year 

1301
01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:48,080
and he would just like 
everything would have to be 

1302
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:52,240
perfect in order for him to PB 
because of where he is on the 

1303
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:55,400
all time list. 
So yeah, it's just it's hard to 

1304
01:18:55,400 --> 01:18:56,920
do all. 
Right. 

1305
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,400
Let's go to Anderson. 
Anderson, give us your or David,

1306
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:00,640
did you have any last thought 
there? 

1307
01:19:00,640 --> 01:19:03,600
You know, I also think the 200 
is different from the 100 and 

1308
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:08,040
that like one of the the way you
run fast, unless you're bull is 

1309
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:11,920
like you have someone to race 
either at the start or the end 

1310
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:15,520
of the race. 
And like realistically, like how

1311
01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:19,280
much are we going to see Lyles 
match up to Lavelle or to Bogo 

1312
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:20,720
this year? 
Like, I think that's going to be

1313
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:22,840
pretty infrequent. 
One of my closing thoughts on 

1314
01:19:22,840 --> 01:19:27,520
this, just know Lyles 200m 
related is I think Brian Lavelle

1315
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,360
finishes 2026 as the fastest 
200m runner of the year. 

1316
01:19:31,800 --> 01:19:34,440
He was coming on at the right 
time I think at the World 

1317
01:19:34,440 --> 01:19:38,280
Championships and he give the 
guy if he if the season would 

1318
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,920
have gone a month longer, who 
knows? 

1319
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:43,040
He could have been and we could 
have had Jamaica. 

1320
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:44,760
Gold medals in the 100 and the 
200. 

1321
01:19:45,600 --> 01:19:49,120
So I, I, I, I just really liked 
what I saw Brian Lavelle's 

1322
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,560
following a very similar 
trajectory to what we saw from 

1323
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:54,120
cause Shane Thompson 2023 to 
2024. 

1324
01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:58,520
I feel like in the, in the 200 
and it just makes it more fun. 

1325
01:19:58,520 --> 01:20:01,760
I think especially if we get 
another at this point, then it'd

1326
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:07,240
be USA versus Jamaica versus 
Africa rivalry with to Bogo 

1327
01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:12,480
Lyles and and. 
Lavelle in the 200, so and on 

1328
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:15,920
top of that, Kenny B just for 
within the United States. 

1329
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:21,480
So that was one of my 
predictions for the sprint's 

1330
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,440
performance related, Anderson, 
We'll go to you. 

1331
01:20:24,440 --> 01:20:26,760
What are your sort of 
predictions? 

1332
01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:28,560
Yeah. 
So, yeah, sticking in the 

1333
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:31,920
sprints, I have Botswana 
breaking the four by four world 

1334
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:34,680
record this year. 
I think they're going to take 

1335
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:38,200
the opportunity that the USA is 
not going to take with, you 

1336
01:20:38,200 --> 01:20:41,640
know, USA in an off year is not 
going to be like put all their 

1337
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:43,600
guys together. 
I think Botswana is going to be 

1338
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:45,640
like, let's take this record. 
And they're pretty close. 

1339
01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:47,480
Like they got silver at the 
Olympics. 

1340
01:20:47,640 --> 01:20:50,680
They were less than 3/10 of a 
second off the world record. 

1341
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:53,960
The USA obviously was closer, 
but I think they get that world 

1342
01:20:53,960 --> 01:20:57,800
record. 
I think Grant Holloway comes 

1343
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:00,560
back and breaks the 110 hurdle, 
right? 

1344
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:04,160
World record this year outdoors 
had a very off year. 

1345
01:21:04,600 --> 01:21:07,880
He couldn't explain like what 
exactly was going on. 

1346
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:11,280
I know maybe early on he had 
some injury issues, but like at 

1347
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:12,360
worlds he was just like, I don't
know. 

1348
01:21:12,760 --> 01:21:15,800
I think he's just like, all 
right, let's just like go for it

1349
01:21:15,960 --> 01:21:17,160
and he just breaks the world 
record. 

1350
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:21,760
This also could be you over over
correcting from last year, 

1351
01:21:21,760 --> 01:21:22,920
right? 
Didn't you say? 

1352
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:28,480
And you got confronted by Grant 
Holloway over your, your, your 

1353
01:21:28,480 --> 01:21:31,440
prediction last year, which was 
remind people. 

1354
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:36,920
All I said was that Dylan Beard 
versus Grant Holloway at USA 

1355
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,720
Indoors is gonna be an 
interesting race to watch, 

1356
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:43,240
because Dylan Beard had just one
Bill Rose, and he had run like a

1357
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:45,480
relatively fast time. 
I was like, this might be 

1358
01:21:45,480 --> 01:21:46,640
exciting. 
That's all I said. 

1359
01:21:46,680 --> 01:21:50,320
I didn't say Dylan Beard's gonna
win, but Grant Hallway, he did 

1360
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:53,040
his thing, continued to go 
undefeated, so he he called me 

1361
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,120
out on it. 
But yeah, I'm not predicting him

1362
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:56,800
to lose anything. 
I think he's going to break the 

1363
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:59,560
world record. 
I this this goes to show you 

1364
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:01,160
that it's like. 
Sometimes the PERS pay. 

1365
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:04,800
Attention to to what we say. 
On the on on the show and for 

1366
01:22:04,800 --> 01:22:07,040
better or for worse. 
I mean, it's cool in that sense 

1367
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:08,240
of it. 
And other times I'm just sort of

1368
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:11,240
like, guys come on, like you 
guys are athletes and, and, and 

1369
01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:14,760
professionals, Like, if you 
don't get all bothered over 

1370
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:18,000
what's being said on a, on a, on
a podcast, it's our job to, to 

1371
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:21,720
make things interesting and, and
drum up a little bit of hype for

1372
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:24,720
some of these races. 
So to Anderson's point, to 

1373
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,840
Bogo's already calling out the 
US for their relays. 

1374
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:31,480
He went on Twitter and he said 
we don't need the hype when we 

1375
01:22:31,480 --> 01:22:33,920
have the heart tell the US to 
bring their facets and they're 

1376
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:36,200
still going to be looking at our
back numbers. 

1377
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:41,640
And that's because the US is not
fielding a 4 by 4 team for the 

1378
01:22:41,640 --> 01:22:44,000
World Relays. 
But Botswana wants it. 

1379
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:49,120
They want they want a rematch. 
And so we'll see. 

1380
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:51,160
We'll see if anything changes on
that front. 

1381
01:22:52,720 --> 01:22:55,600
All right, we'll go to Mac. 
What are your performance bold 

1382
01:22:55,600 --> 01:23:02,280
predictions for 2026? 
I'll go, I'm going NCAA's and 

1383
01:23:02,440 --> 01:23:06,080
I'm going to go. 
Owen Powell wins outdoor NCAA's 

1384
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:11,200
in the 1500 and to double up 
also he gets second in the 

1385
01:23:11,200 --> 01:23:14,840
indoor mile obviously. 
Obviously if healthy, he didn't 

1386
01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:19,560
run cross, so I don't know if he
just redshirted or was injured, 

1387
01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:24,560
but assuming he's healthy, I 
think I think he's going to do 

1388
01:23:24,560 --> 01:23:27,720
some some pretty special stuff 
this outdoor year in his 

1389
01:23:27,720 --> 01:23:28,960
freshman year. 
Do you have any? 

1390
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:31,200
Disclosures to make there, but 
just sort of like your 

1391
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:35,680
connections? 
00 disclosures to make here. 

1392
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:43,360
No, I have not talked to Andy or
Marissa recently, but just based

1393
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:47,680
off of my own, my own personal 
experience and and how how good 

1394
01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:54,160
Owen was or is going into his 
freshman year and knowing I just

1395
01:23:54,240 --> 01:23:58,320
what I did my freshman year and 
how good Owen is, I think that 

1396
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:00,320
that's what he's going to do. 
That's that's a good one. 

1397
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:03,920
And maybe, maybe Paul can 
research this live in real time.

1398
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:10,120
Who's the last freshman to win 
the NCA 1500 meter title 

1399
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:13,640
outdoors? 
It would have been me if my foot

1400
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:18,680
wasn't broken, but. 
Cole Hawker, Did he win 

1401
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:21,840
outdoors? 
His freshman year. 

1402
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:26,280
It was in a battle against Yard.
It actually may have been. 

1403
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:30,360
It actually might be all right. 
Wasn't Cole so wouldn't 

1404
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:31,680
technically a red shirt 
freshman? 

1405
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:33,040
I don't know if we're counting 
though. 

1406
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:34,440
Oh, yeah. 
No, no, I'm talking. 

1407
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:35,880
Yeah, let's talk. 
Yeah, true. 

1408
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:38,560
Yeah, true freshman is what 
we're we're thinking. 

1409
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:42,840
He he did win in 2021. 
I guess whether we we count that

1410
01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:48,360
or not, you know the stickler. 
But he may have been red shirt 

1411
01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:52,640
because of COVID year right? 
I get I this is just great radio

1412
01:24:53,040 --> 01:24:56,200
for people. 
We'll get our answer. 

1413
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:57,520
Hopefully by the end of the 
episode. 

1414
01:24:57,560 --> 01:25:00,160
All right, Max, since I have you
here, I guess one of my bold 

1415
01:25:00,160 --> 01:25:06,920
predictions in the 1500 Isaac 
Nader, the world champion, runs 

1416
01:25:06,920 --> 01:25:09,560
326 and proves to the world that
he actually is just like the 

1417
01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:16,720
best. 1500m runner in the world 
runs. 320 PBS by two seconds. 

1418
01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:21,200
I think 2 seconds. 
No, I I think Isaac Nader's 

1419
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,240
gonna have AI. 
Don't know if we'll see Isaac 

1420
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:26,080
Nader race this year. 
If that's that's where my money 

1421
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:28,720
would be. 
We'll see him again next year. 

1422
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:32,760
I think I well, Isaac Nader, 
you've got your hand up and 

1423
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:37,200
we'll go to you in a SEC. 
But he it's switched training 

1424
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:38,840
groups, making a little coaching
switch. 

1425
01:25:38,840 --> 01:25:41,200
I mean, who does that? 
The year after they win the gold

1426
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:43,040
medal at the World 
Championships. 

1427
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:46,880
Now he's training with 
Lewandowski alongside Niels 

1428
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:50,320
Laros and and with Timothy 
Cheriot. 

1429
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:53,640
That's that might signal 320. 6 
I. 

1430
01:25:56,280 --> 01:26:00,080
Was just going to say the dude 
ran just about 3 weeks ago and 

1431
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:02,360
the dude is fit. 
Like he is insanely fit. 

1432
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:04,200
Like he what? 
Did he race 3 weeks ago? 

1433
01:26:04,720 --> 01:26:08,360
He erased the 2K relay and he 
came from about 10th place to 

1434
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:12,400
come second at the at the mixed 
relay for you across. 

1435
01:26:12,440 --> 01:26:15,680
But like he he was yeah, he's 
fair. 

1436
01:26:16,040 --> 01:26:19,200
He's ready to go so. 
I'm not writing them off. 

1437
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:25,360
I'm not writing them off. 
No, I, no, I, it's, I just 

1438
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:27,840
forget that people are already 
racing right now. 

1439
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:30,080
And I do remember him. 
Actually, now that Preet 

1440
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,280
mentions that I do remember his 
crazy legs. 

1441
01:26:32,280 --> 01:26:35,400
So yeah, no, Chris. 
All right, I'm back on board. 

1442
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:39,720
326 Isaac Nader Middle finger 
middle finger to the world is 

1443
01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:41,560
like everyone thought it was a 
fluke. 

1444
01:26:41,920 --> 01:26:44,840
I'm actually the best Anderson 
now. 

1445
01:26:45,800 --> 01:26:48,560
I think, and maybe someone could
correct me, it looks like German

1446
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:54,600
Fernandez in 2009 was the last 
freshman to win in Oklahoma back

1447
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:56,880
in the day. 
All right, so it'll be Owen 

1448
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,680
Powell. 
In 2026, true freshman to win 

1449
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:03,160
NCAA championship. 
All right. 

1450
01:27:03,480 --> 01:27:07,520
We'll go to Paul next on our 
predictions for performance. 

1451
01:27:08,680 --> 01:27:13,200
All right, I did these. 
These aren't all throws. 

1452
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:16,800
Some of them are though. 
So I think the biggest one is 

1453
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:19,640
also like Pre and Anna Hall 
prediction. 

1454
01:27:20,120 --> 01:27:23,760
And I was basing this off of 
what she told me at US Outdoors 

1455
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:26,800
where she was going to focus on 
Gotsis. 

1456
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:31,040
And then afterwards she said she
was primarily going to focus on 

1457
01:27:31,400 --> 01:27:35,080
long jump and then some open 4 
hundreds and four hurdles. 

1458
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:39,400
So I think at God says she comes
within 100 points of the world 

1459
01:27:39,400 --> 01:27:42,760
record, which would be like 160 
point PB. 

1460
01:27:43,440 --> 01:27:47,120
She her throws were worth 100 
points more in Tokyo than they 

1461
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,960
were in Gotsis. 
She's getting better and better 

1462
01:27:49,960 --> 01:27:55,400
in like the hurdles and and the 
long jump kind of as she 

1463
01:27:55,480 --> 01:27:57,280
continues to recover from 
injury. 

1464
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:00,000
So I think that's what I think 
she's going to do with Gotsis, 

1465
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:03,560
and then afterwards I think 
she's going to run 53 in the 

1466
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:06,240
four hurdles and jump at least 
670. 

1467
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:08,480
Damn. 
Anderson said. 

1468
01:28:08,480 --> 01:28:12,800
Wow, yeah. 
That, like, even within 100 

1469
01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:15,160
points of the heptathlon world 
record, is crazy. 

1470
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:19,120
Well, so I I did like I knew 
that was insane because I know 

1471
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:22,760
just how far JJK is away from 
everyone. 

1472
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:26,960
But if you take her throws from 
Tokyo, which were a full meter 

1473
01:28:26,960 --> 01:28:30,800
better in the shot put and two 
meters better in the jab and put

1474
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:33,960
those and got this, that's 100 
points right there. 

1475
01:28:34,160 --> 01:28:40,040
She had a pretty bad day, or not
bad but her hurdles PB is almost

1476
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:42,040
half a second faster than what 
she ran and got. 

1477
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:43,760
This. 
She didn't have her best day in 

1478
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:49,320
the long jump obviously 2017 or 
whatever she ran an 800 might be

1479
01:28:49,320 --> 01:28:53,720
a little harder to replicate but
I think it's within the like. 

1480
01:28:53,920 --> 01:28:56,920
Saying she would break the world
record flat out right now is 

1481
01:28:57,200 --> 01:29:01,040
absurd, but I think within 100 
points might be possible with 

1482
01:29:01,120 --> 01:29:03,960
another like kind of perfect two
days from her. 

1483
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:06,480
Preet. 
Yeah, no, I was just going to 

1484
01:29:06,480 --> 01:29:10,040
say I'd already booked my 
tickets to got sis to go and see

1485
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:12,520
that this year because yeah, I 
absolutely agree with Paul. 

1486
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:16,720
It's going to be amazing. 
Like she, she has so much like, 

1487
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:20,600
bandwidth to improve given the 
way her PBS are and her long 

1488
01:29:20,600 --> 01:29:23,720
jump just is. 
She has the weirdest long jump 

1489
01:29:23,720 --> 01:29:25,760
run up you have ever seen in 
your life, right? 

1490
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:27,600
It's bizarre. 
I don't know, Anderson, if you 

1491
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:29,360
have any thoughts on it. 
If you see her long jump run up,

1492
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:33,160
like I don't understand, she 
literally stops and then jumps. 

1493
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:35,960
And I think it's partly because 
it's where she got her injury. 

1494
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:37,600
And so there's a bit of 
hesitation. 

1495
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:40,080
But if she she gets her 
confidence back on that, like 

1496
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:41,880
she could go so much further a 
long jump. 

1497
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:44,400
And I think even a high jump, I 
mean, she's very good at the 

1498
01:29:44,400 --> 01:29:46,800
high jump, but her high jump run
up as well. 

1499
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:51,160
She loses all that momentum 
weirdly by hopping first and 

1500
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:54,120
then stopping. 
And yeah, it it kind of. 

1501
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:58,360
So yeah, there's there's clearly
so much scope for improvement 

1502
01:29:58,360 --> 01:29:59,880
there. 
So I'm very excited by out of 

1503
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:00,640
all. 
Prospects. 

1504
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:01,760
How would you say she long 
jumps? 

1505
01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:07,720
I think she jumps in the six 
70s. 6-7 All right, which? 

1506
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:10,600
She's jumped a win date at 675 
before. 

1507
01:30:10,600 --> 01:30:15,240
I think her win legal PB is 661.
David, because you got to run in

1508
01:30:15,240 --> 01:30:18,800
just a SEC, what are your 
performance related predictions?

1509
01:30:18,920 --> 01:30:20,360
Yeah. 
So I got a Sprint one and a 

1510
01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:23,080
distance one. 
The Sprint 1 is that I think 

1511
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:27,760
we're seeing both 10/5 and 9/6 
this year. 

1512
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:34,240
My reason for that is that we, 
if you look, no one might be 

1513
01:30:34,240 --> 01:30:38,440
might be getting on the late 
half of the 20s, but cause Shane

1514
01:30:38,440 --> 01:30:42,400
Thompson, Oblique Seville, 
Melissa Jefferson Wooden and 

1515
01:30:42,560 --> 01:30:47,240
Julian Alfred are all 24 years 
old, which is like entering the 

1516
01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:50,880
meat of their primes. 
And they're also all athletes 

1517
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:54,680
that very well could match up 
with one another multiple times 

1518
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:57,880
this year and push each other to
in really historic times. 

1519
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:02,080
Obviously, you know, pre classic
is a fast sprints track. 

1520
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:07,720
You know, in Jamaican nationals,
the world ultimate champs, you 

1521
01:31:07,720 --> 01:31:11,320
know, there's probably a little 
less motivation to like front 

1522
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:14,960
load the work at the start of 
the season for to like peak for 

1523
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,840
a world ultimate champs. 
So folks might want to, you 

1524
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:21,320
know, really burn down a fast 
one earlier in the summer. 

1525
01:31:21,320 --> 01:31:25,440
So I think that's a real 
possibility. 

1526
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:30,920
I don't think like low 10/5 or 
96 but like breaking the barrier

1527
01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:33,880
I could see happening. 
And then what's your distance 

1528
01:31:33,880 --> 01:31:35,920
one? 
I don't think either American 

1529
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:38,080
1500 record is surviving the 
year. 

1530
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:43,400
I think it the women's is 
probably more likely to go down 

1531
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:47,200
than the men's, but you know, 
there's so many active people 

1532
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:49,880
fast in their primes. 
You know, I, I could easily see 

1533
01:31:49,880 --> 01:31:52,760
Cole breaking his own record. 
I could also see someone else 

1534
01:31:52,760 --> 01:31:55,800
doing it, you know, and the, the
women's side, obviously 

1535
01:31:55,880 --> 01:32:00,600
Sinclair, Nikki, you know, all 
Ali coming back. 

1536
01:32:00,800 --> 01:32:03,080
There's obviously all the, you 
know, post collegians that are 

1537
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:07,320
really fast and and fall talent.
I think, you know, given again, 

1538
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:10,880
like the lack of need to like 
hold back and peak for a 

1539
01:32:10,880 --> 01:32:13,520
championship, you're going to 
see more fast races, you're 

1540
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:17,840
going to see more Americans 
going to Europe and and both of 

1541
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:19,920
those records feel very gettable
to me right now. 

1542
01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:22,160
Yeah, I can see that. 
I agree with you, David. 

1543
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:26,080
I feel like 2025 like. 
That were those were two sort of

1544
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:31,240
not expectations, but just sort 
of things that people saw as 

1545
01:32:31,720 --> 01:32:36,600
more likely with both Nikki and 
Sinclair's success. 

1546
01:32:36,680 --> 01:32:41,720
Is that oh, all right, like at 
the Paris Diamond League or 

1547
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:45,440
Monaco or something like that, 
that either one of them would be

1548
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:49,000
capable of breaking Shelby 
Houlihan's 1500 meter record. 

1549
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:53,600
And then from there, that kind 
of like with how close people 

1550
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:56,800
have gotten, it's led to more 
confidence and, and thought that

1551
01:32:56,880 --> 01:33:01,480
OK, like an American could be 
ready to medal in the 1500 at 

1552
01:33:01,520 --> 01:33:02,960
the global championships as 
well. 

1553
01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:06,040
And Nikki finished fifth, which 
which was amazing. 

1554
01:33:07,920 --> 01:33:09,520
But you know, progress is 
happening. 

1555
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:14,840
And so I think I'm with you on 
on at least I, I think the, the 

1556
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:19,800
women's 1500 American record 
falls in 20202026. 

1557
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:22,520
All right, Paul, we'll go back 
to you because you had a couple 

1558
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:27,680
more predictions. 
Yeah, so I think NCAA wise, I 

1559
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:31,880
think the newest Oregon Duck, 
Mikala Selecna, finally wins an 

1560
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:35,800
NCAA title, even though Ralford 
Mullings is also back in the 

1561
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:40,280
NCAA. 
So we could see two guys over 70

1562
01:33:40,280 --> 01:33:45,320
at NCAA's, which is ridiculous. 
If he does that, I think he also

1563
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:49,400
wins the Bowermann 'cause I 
don't see a reason he wouldn't 

1564
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:53,680
go back to Ramona this year. 
And if he does that, I don't see

1565
01:33:53,680 --> 01:33:56,040
a reason he wouldn't break his 
own world record again. 

1566
01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:03,120
I think in the men shot a 
record-breaking 12 plus men 

1567
01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:07,600
throw 22 meters. 
The record currently is 11 from 

1568
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:11,480
2023 and last year we had eight.
But there were a lot of guys 

1569
01:34:11,480 --> 01:34:16,800
like Tom Walsh, Zayn Weir, Jack 
O Gill. 

1570
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:21,080
There's a lot of guys who had 
thrown 22 before who didn't have

1571
01:34:21,080 --> 01:34:24,120
their strongest years last year,
So I think that's a possibility.

1572
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:31,280
And then lastly, I think there's
not like AUS team to make out of

1573
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:34,720
USA's this year, but I think of 
the women that finished top 

1574
01:34:34,720 --> 01:34:39,240
three in the 5K at USA's last 
year, I think none of them 

1575
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:41,920
finish in the top three in the 
five KUSA's this year. 

1576
01:34:41,960 --> 01:34:45,520
Who are they? 
So that's Josette, Shelby and 

1577
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:47,840
Elise. 
What do you have against them? 

1578
01:34:48,680 --> 01:34:52,200
So I think Elise may be focusing
more. 

1579
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:56,000
The biggest part, I think Ellie 
coming back, I think that takes 

1580
01:34:56,000 --> 01:34:58,680
a spot. 
I'm going to be super optimistic

1581
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:01,800
and say Parker coming back makes
a big difference. 

1582
01:35:02,360 --> 01:35:06,480
I I mean, it's probably a pretty
tight turn around for Whitney 

1583
01:35:06,480 --> 01:35:08,960
Morgan. 
I think she gave birth in 

1584
01:35:08,960 --> 01:35:12,520
December, but like Ellie's done 
that kind of turn around before.

1585
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:17,920
That's that's fair. 
Paul's learning how post 

1586
01:35:17,920 --> 01:35:21,600
maternity women's bodies work 
live on this podcast. 

1587
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:28,120
Maybe Elise, I mean, maybe she 
does do more 15. 

1588
01:35:28,720 --> 01:35:32,080
Maybe Trevor and Jenny just make
her 15-8 or something. 

1589
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:34,840
I don't know. 
That was just kind of one that 

1590
01:35:34,840 --> 01:35:37,680
popped into my head the other 
night when Audrey and I were 

1591
01:35:37,680 --> 01:35:40,640
talking about and I was like, I 
think I could make a decent 

1592
01:35:40,640 --> 01:35:43,160
enough argument for that one. 
Yeah, I could see it. 

1593
01:35:43,160 --> 01:35:46,920
I think. 
I don't know if all three don't 

1594
01:35:46,920 --> 01:35:49,800
make it, but I could see. 
Well also there's nothing to 

1595
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:53,080
make, but like you said, 
finishing in the top three. 

1596
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:54,760
Yeah. 
I mean, this is one of those 

1597
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:58,120
events that had has crazy 
turnover over the last couple 

1598
01:35:58,120 --> 01:36:01,400
years. 
Some and some of them might not 

1599
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:04,960
even show up to race like that's
a absolute possibility. 

1600
01:36:04,960 --> 01:36:08,160
So no, that's Paul. 
That's I don't think as far 

1601
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:10,600
fetched as what some people 
might think because we're gonna 

1602
01:36:10,600 --> 01:36:13,920
see a lot of a lot of people 
that made the last two US teams 

1603
01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:16,800
won't even be at USA's this 
year. 

1604
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:23,080
Yeah, Anderson. 
Just have one well, just two 

1605
01:36:23,080 --> 01:36:25,600
quick others from the the time 
ones I do have. 

1606
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:28,680
So Rye Benjamin said that he's 
gonna be or he wants to do the 

1607
01:36:28,680 --> 01:36:33,000
402 hundred this year. 
I think him and probably let's 

1608
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:35,760
see lay to below as well. 
I think they both throughout the

1609
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:40,760
season run sub 10, sub 20 and 
sub 44 in all three events, 

1610
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:42,680
which has never been done 
before. 

1611
01:36:42,680 --> 01:36:46,040
There's been or well, actually 
Wade Vandekerk today in 2017. 

1612
01:36:46,040 --> 01:36:49,720
But like in one season, they 
break all those barriers. 

1613
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:52,240
I think they can all do it. 
And Rye Benjamin, Rye Benjamin 

1614
01:36:52,240 --> 01:36:55,200
has run 10 O three in the 100 
and he's run 21. 

1615
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:57,280
I'm sorry, 19 nine in the 200 
already. 

1616
01:36:57,440 --> 01:37:00,800
So he's capable and let's see, 
Lay is showing he's capable. 

1617
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:03,120
So I think that actually might 
go down. 

1618
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:07,720
Sub 10 by Rye. 
Yeah, he ran 10 O3 What year? 

1619
01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:10,760
20, 2020, 20/20/2020. 
That was like the that was in 

1620
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:13,480
that like AP Ranch situation. 
When everyone is running for 

1621
01:37:13,480 --> 01:37:14,480
their contracts. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1622
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:18,640
So, but he's he has a, he has a 
talent. 

1623
01:37:18,640 --> 01:37:21,200
So I think, I think Rye will 
actually put it together. 

1624
01:37:21,200 --> 01:37:22,840
He's like not worried about the 
400 hurdles. 

1625
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:26,200
And the other thing I do have is
call. 

1626
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:29,400
Actually, I'm going to Step 4 
higher with Anna. 

1627
01:37:29,400 --> 01:37:32,720
I think she runs 52 seconds in 
the 400 hurdles. 

1628
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:34,760
I think she's more than capable 
of that. 

1629
01:37:34,760 --> 01:37:39,320
So that is what I think I see 
from Tara, from Anna and the one

1630
01:37:39,320 --> 01:37:41,040
other field 1, Tara Davis would 
call. 

1631
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:45,000
I think she becomes a second 
best American in the long jump. 

1632
01:37:45,360 --> 01:37:49,800
Where she jumps at least at 
least 731 is like the what 

1633
01:37:49,800 --> 01:37:52,880
Britney Reese and Marian Jones 
have jumped behind Jackie 

1634
01:37:52,880 --> 01:37:54,440
Joyner. 
Kersey is like 749. 

1635
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:57,800
I think she jumped 730 something
in the long jump this year. 

1636
01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:04,360
OK, that had me thinking just 
sort of like does cause of 2025 

1637
01:38:04,480 --> 01:38:06,440
Athos added the women's long 
jump. 

1638
01:38:06,440 --> 01:38:12,080
Do they add another event to 
their slate of for 2026? 

1639
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:13,520
I'm trying to think of what it 
could be. 

1640
01:38:13,880 --> 01:38:17,560
If you were Alexa Zohanian, what
event would you add for 2026? 

1641
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,160
I'd probably have like the shot 
put or something. 

1642
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:23,400
I'd I'd yeah at a throw event in
there. 

1643
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:27,960
Yeah, I think shot, I think the 
the personalities in that are 

1644
01:38:28,440 --> 01:38:32,520
it, it's the easiest I think to 
display because like that's 

1645
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:34,640
something you could put in Times
Square next, I think. 

1646
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:38,000
It could be. 
Well, yeah, but we're not 

1647
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:45,520
talking about jumps, Chris. 
Come on, I think Chase in Times 

1648
01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:47,280
Square would be so much fun to 
watch. 

1649
01:38:47,280 --> 01:38:50,480
So that's that would be my vote,
unsurprisingly. 

1650
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:52,360
I think we got to get out of 
Times Square. 

1651
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:54,840
Like the long jump was cool 
there. 

1652
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:59,680
I think you got to find 
somewhere else to do another 

1653
01:38:59,680 --> 01:39:02,840
event somewhere else. 
Times Square doesn't need to be 

1654
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:05,800
the answer to to everything. 
There's there's other cool 

1655
01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:08,240
places. 
I mean, and I would argue that 

1656
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:11,040
Times Square isn't cool. 
And that's just coming from 

1657
01:39:11,520 --> 01:39:14,360
someone who lives here in New 
York and tries to avoid it every

1658
01:39:14,360 --> 01:39:17,520
single day. 
All right, Anderson, I want your

1659
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:20,400
reactions to a couple other 
performance ones that I've got. 

1660
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:27,000
I think this one is Gabby 
Thomas, who I guess recap for. 

1661
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:29,800
She's going to spend more time 
in the 400 this year is what she

1662
01:39:29,800 --> 01:39:31,560
said on podcast or something 
like that. 

1663
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:34,320
What exactly was it? 
She did, and it's weird because 

1664
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:38,640
she didn't really like announce 
it, but she said it on a podcast

1665
01:39:38,640 --> 01:39:42,440
where, yeah, she said she's 
going to spend more time in the 

1666
01:39:42,440 --> 01:39:46,000
400, but she was kind of vague. 
It seems like she was alluding 

1667
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:50,320
to moving into being more of a 
four 2 runner for the rest of 

1668
01:39:50,320 --> 01:39:52,840
her career as well, because 
she's talking about like 

1669
01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:55,200
extending the life of her 
career, trying to reduce 

1670
01:39:55,200 --> 01:39:58,800
injuries and like 400 training. 
And she's been doing like miles,

1671
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:01,600
like she's been running a lot. 
So yeah. 

1672
01:40:02,120 --> 01:40:04,240
Yeah, I was trading messages 
like Gabby to try and figure out

1673
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:08,600
like what her mile time trial 
was and Tan just had them 

1674
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:12,600
running it weird. 
I think it's been like a it's 

1675
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:15,040
been a couple weeks of just like
it. 

1676
01:40:15,080 --> 01:40:19,200
It was like, all right, it's a 
broken mile, but with two 

1677
01:40:19,200 --> 01:40:22,160
hundreds or with six hundreds. 
So it hasn't been like the all 

1678
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:26,160
out one mile time trial until I 
think maybe yesterday was 

1679
01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:27,920
finally it, but I haven't heard 
what the time was. 

1680
01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:32,200
So then you're that additional 
nugget of her running the 400 

1681
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:34,160
more doesn't bode well for my 
prediction. 

1682
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:36,040
My prediction was that or maybe 
it does. 

1683
01:40:36,040 --> 01:40:39,920
Actually, it totally does. 
Gabby breaks 49 before breaking 

1684
01:40:39,920 --> 01:40:42,520
11. 
Thoughts. 

1685
01:40:43,800 --> 01:40:47,160
I think that's very realistic. 
I think that's very, very 

1686
01:40:47,160 --> 01:40:49,720
realistic. 
Yeah, 'cause like she can, she 

1687
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:53,400
can run a 400 like relatively 
early season and probably break 

1688
01:40:53,400 --> 01:40:57,440
49 'cause she literally ran 49 
one in April at Grand Slam. 

1689
01:40:57,560 --> 01:41:01,720
So I think that's way more 
realistic than running sub 11. 

1690
01:41:02,200 --> 01:41:05,040
All right, then my other last 
performance related 1 is that 

1691
01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:09,840
Shawnee Miller Weibo comes back,
puts people in their place in 

1692
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:15,720
the 400 and reinsert herself as 
actually if if we want to be 

1693
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:22,240
bold and maybe because I think 
if we think Sydney doesn't run a

1694
01:41:22,240 --> 01:41:26,120
whole lot this year, then 
Shawnee will. 

1695
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:30,800
Miller Weibo finishes 2026 as 
the second. 

1696
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:34,400
Well, yeah, regardless, she'll 
finish 2026 as the second best 

1697
01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:38,920
400m runner in the world. 
That that, I think is bold. 

1698
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:40,560
Yeah, because it's either like 
she's. 

1699
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:42,960
Behind Sydney or she's behind 
Paulino. 

1700
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:49,720
And yeah, I just think like 
she's back from Instagram video 

1701
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:51,560
clips. 
I think she looks fast already. 

1702
01:41:52,800 --> 01:41:56,200
So being like a like it's an MLB
reporter at spring training 

1703
01:41:56,200 --> 01:41:59,040
making the most out of like a 
very grainy photo from a 

1704
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:00,920
distance. 
Like that's how I'm judging 

1705
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:03,000
Shawnee Miller Weibo's return. 
And then the only other 

1706
01:42:03,800 --> 01:42:07,720
performance related one that 
Preet might appreciate because 

1707
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:11,200
it's marathon related. 
I think Letessenbeck Guiday, who

1708
01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:15,040
we haven't seen in like 2-3 
years, returns and runs 211 for 

1709
01:42:15,040 --> 01:42:17,680
the marathon. 
The half marathon world record 

1710
01:42:17,680 --> 01:42:22,680
holder has 62 minutes To think 
that she can't run 211 with 

1711
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:26,960
super shoes and just advances in
training plus now mom strength. 

1712
01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:29,760
I think that sounds like 211 to 
me. 

1713
01:42:30,680 --> 01:42:34,440
So I think that's that'll be one
hell of a comeback. 

1714
01:42:35,960 --> 01:42:38,880
Preet your thoughts. 
Yeah, no, I, I love to see it. 

1715
01:42:38,880 --> 01:42:39,920
She's one of my favourite 
runners. 

1716
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:42,120
So yeah, it would be very 
exciting to see that one And, 

1717
01:42:42,120 --> 01:42:45,000
and I hope she does. 
But that reminds me of one that 

1718
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:47,880
I was thinking about and that is
that Sifan Hassan, because she 

1719
01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:52,360
did talk about last year how 
coming into London, I think she 

1720
01:42:52,360 --> 01:42:56,200
hadn't run any other races and 
this year, so she, I think it's 

1721
01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:58,560
kind of suggested she might run 
half marathons and stuff. 

1722
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:01,080
I think Sifan Hassan tries to 
break the half marathon world 

1723
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:03,000
record does break the half 
marathon world. 

1724
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:08,040
Record 62762 Yeah or whatever. 
And not 62, but yeah, 60, yeah, 

1725
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:11,120
62 something. 
I think 606250 something. 

1726
01:43:11,120 --> 01:43:14,080
So yeah, or not. 
But you know, that's such a 

1727
01:43:14,080 --> 01:43:16,440
fast. 
I think I think she goes for. 

1728
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:22,120
It on that note, do you think 
Ruth Chapin Getich's world 

1729
01:43:22,120 --> 01:43:29,440
record with stands stands a test
of 2026 or or you? 

1730
01:43:29,520 --> 01:43:31,000
You're nodding your head, saying
yes. 

1731
01:43:31,840 --> 01:43:35,520
Yeah, I, I, I, I just don't see 
how they can overturn it unless 

1732
01:43:35,520 --> 01:43:37,360
they, because I think they, 
they're just not going to be 

1733
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:39,680
able to find anything that 
proves she was doping at the 

1734
01:43:39,680 --> 01:43:42,360
time. 
So, and, and that means that 

1735
01:43:42,360 --> 01:43:43,960
they won't be able to overturn 
it because they haven't been 

1736
01:43:43,960 --> 01:43:47,200
able to overturn any other, many
other world records and, and 

1737
01:43:47,200 --> 01:43:51,320
things which we know are sketchy
just because, you know, even if 

1738
01:43:51,320 --> 01:43:55,200
someone tested positive 
afterwards, you can't, you know,

1739
01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:57,600
they, they can't go back and 
remove results and they really 

1740
01:43:57,600 --> 01:43:59,000
struggle with that from a legal 
perspective. 

1741
01:43:59,960 --> 01:44:02,240
All right, I I might beg to 
differ. 

1742
01:44:02,240 --> 01:44:04,120
I'm going to think that they're 
going to find something in the 

1743
01:44:04,120 --> 01:44:06,880
text messages. 
I hope so. 

1744
01:44:08,120 --> 01:44:11,400
All right, let's move on to 
World Ultimate Championship 

1745
01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:13,520
predictions because I think when
we were rattling some of these 

1746
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:16,160
off in our text, we thought, all
right, this person's going to 

1747
01:44:16,160 --> 01:44:19,520
win this event or this person's 
going to qualify for this event.

1748
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:24,920
So I'll lead us off and maybe it
snap, it steals one from 

1749
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:29,120
Anderson. 
It's going to be Rye Benjamin 

1750
01:44:29,120 --> 01:44:32,480
wins the 400 at the World 
Ultimate Championships over. 

1751
01:44:32,480 --> 01:44:39,880
Let's see Le to Bogo Thoughts. 
Yeah, I, I wasn't, I did have 

1752
01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:42,320
Rye winning the 400 that I had 
that prediction too. 

1753
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:46,240
I'm, I'm not sure if, let's see 
Le runs the 400 though. 

1754
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:48,800
That's my only hesitation. 
But I do have Rye winning the 

1755
01:44:48,800 --> 01:44:51,000
400. 
I I think he'll be able to get 

1756
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:53,160
it. 
Paul, you have thoughts on that 

1757
01:44:53,160 --> 01:44:55,240
one? 
No. 

1758
01:44:55,360 --> 01:44:56,280
OK. 
All right. 

1759
01:44:56,280 --> 01:44:58,040
Well, that I guess it wasn't all
that bold. 

1760
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:01,840
All right, we'll go to Mac. 
Any World Ultimate Championship 

1761
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:04,560
predictions? 
Yeah, mine is less so who's 

1762
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:08,760
going to win, but my bold 
predictions on sorry, excuse me,

1763
01:45:09,920 --> 01:45:12,480
a couple of their discretionary 
picks. 

1764
01:45:13,120 --> 01:45:16,200
Oh, OK, yeah, 'cause World 
Athletics gets Bipreet explain 

1765
01:45:16,200 --> 01:45:19,080
this one like, 'cause you're, 
you're the master of like some 

1766
01:45:19,080 --> 01:45:21,480
of this, this, this qualifying 
stuff. 

1767
01:45:21,480 --> 01:45:26,760
So essentially if someone who's 
not got a wild card by being a 

1768
01:45:26,760 --> 01:45:30,200
world champion, Olympic champion
or Diamond League champion or 

1769
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:33,280
isn't in the top however many 
spots in the rankings depending 

1770
01:45:33,280 --> 01:45:36,560
on the event, and therefore 
don't qualify for the Ultimate 

1771
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:40,760
championships directly. 
World athletes can give out I 

1772
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:43,160
think one wild card. 
I don't know whether it's one 

1773
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:45,040
per event or they've got a 
limited number of wild cards 

1774
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:49,800
they can give out. 
And so that will effectively I 

1775
01:45:49,800 --> 01:45:54,200
think go to people who basically
have maybe have been injured and

1776
01:45:54,200 --> 01:45:56,280
therefore haven't had the chance
to get a ranking, but might be 

1777
01:45:56,280 --> 01:45:59,200
superstars etcetera, etcetera. 
So Matt, who are? 

1778
01:45:59,240 --> 01:46:03,840
You or or if basically if you're
1 of Seb's favorite athletes, 

1779
01:46:04,280 --> 01:46:06,760
you can get picked. 
All right, so Matt, who you got?

1780
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:10,320
Yeah, I think Femka Bowl is 
going to get the 800 meter 

1781
01:46:10,320 --> 01:46:15,120
selection from them. 
I think Anna Hall is going to 

1782
01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:19,960
get the 400 meter hurdle 
selection from them because now 

1783
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:21,680
they're lacking stars in that 
event. 

1784
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:28,640
And I mean, based off our 
conversation earlier, let's say 

1785
01:46:28,640 --> 01:46:32,440
I show Speed gets gets a race 
under his belt under an 

1786
01:46:32,440 --> 01:46:35,480
accredited track meet. 
Why not throw him in? 

1787
01:46:36,360 --> 01:46:39,040
Yeah, why not? 
Do you want eyeballs? 

1788
01:46:39,040 --> 01:46:40,320
Why not? 
Why not? 

1789
01:46:40,320 --> 01:46:43,240
You want eyeballs? 
Let's get I show speed to mount 

1790
01:46:43,240 --> 01:46:47,680
SAC, get a race under his belt, 
and then we'll just throw them 

1791
01:46:47,680 --> 01:46:49,880
into the World Ultimate 
Championships later in the year.

1792
01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:51,640
As a discretionary spot, I love 
it. 

1793
01:46:52,120 --> 01:46:57,280
Brilliant idea. 
All right, Preet, give us your 

1794
01:46:57,280 --> 01:47:02,440
world ultimate predictions. 
So my big one was Emmanuel Wang 

1795
01:47:02,480 --> 01:47:06,760
Yoni winning the 1500 Beaters 
Championships. 

1796
01:47:08,840 --> 01:47:12,520
Yeah, No, I, I mean, I think 
he's, he's that good and I think

1797
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:17,320
he could do it. 
So just just like it's it, it's 

1798
01:47:17,320 --> 01:47:21,040
harder, it'd be harder for him 
to win that event than winning 

1799
01:47:21,040 --> 01:47:27,040
the 800 I think. 
So then why risk $150,000 payday

1800
01:47:28,600 --> 01:47:31,120
and by going back chasing the 
harder event when like you're 

1801
01:47:31,120 --> 01:47:33,680
the you've been the best 800m 
runner in the last three 

1802
01:47:33,840 --> 01:47:36,920
championships, 2 championships. 
Yeah, I'm, I'm just thinking 

1803
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:40,000
it's, it's an off year. 
It's a chance to be bold, chance

1804
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:42,760
to be different. 
And and yeah, he gives given 

1805
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:44,400
he's beaten the entire Olympic 
podium. 

1806
01:47:44,680 --> 01:47:51,080
Like why not? 
In April, OK, Mac, you did you 

1807
01:47:51,080 --> 01:47:52,720
have thoughts on that one you. 
Reacted to it too. 

1808
01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:54,400
You laughed. 
Yeah. 

1809
01:47:54,400 --> 01:47:58,840
I mean, just financially, I 
don't that doesn't make that 

1810
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:02,560
much sense for him. 
I mean at that level, like he's 

1811
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:05,160
cleaning up right now in the 
800, so. 

1812
01:48:06,240 --> 01:48:09,120
He'd have to go run so many 
Diamond League fifteens to get 

1813
01:48:09,120 --> 01:48:11,480
his ranking up. 
No, or you could just get 

1814
01:48:11,480 --> 01:48:13,520
selected. 
You could just get selected in. 

1815
01:48:13,520 --> 01:48:14,680
Yeah. 
I love it. 

1816
01:48:14,720 --> 01:48:17,680
I love it. 
It's like talking about what 

1817
01:48:17,720 --> 01:48:21,280
World Athletics own rules are. 
It's like, no, they they're they

1818
01:48:21,280 --> 01:48:25,040
can make up whatever rule they 
want to get whoever that they 

1819
01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:28,040
need to. 
Yeah. 

1820
01:48:28,040 --> 01:48:29,680
I mean, that's fun to. 
I mean, we're talking about bold

1821
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:32,200
predictions here. 
So like, no one's right or wrong

1822
01:48:32,200 --> 01:48:36,280
here. 
I would I would like to see him 

1823
01:48:36,280 --> 01:48:39,640
in a couple bigger fifteens this
year for sure. 

1824
01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:42,640
But again, like I hate even 
asking this question. 

1825
01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:48,080
Like is it beyond World 
Athletics to like have rabbits 

1826
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:50,240
at the World Ultimate 
Championships? 

1827
01:48:50,240 --> 01:48:53,320
Like I want to see when you only
race these guys in a non 

1828
01:48:53,320 --> 01:48:55,640
rabbited race. 
And so I'm like, oh, I'd love to

1829
01:48:55,640 --> 01:48:57,520
see him race these guys in a 
Diamond League, but they're all 

1830
01:48:57,520 --> 01:49:02,560
rabbited. 
So like, I just I pray to God 

1831
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:05,480
that there aren't rabbits at in 
Budapest later this year. 

1832
01:49:05,480 --> 01:49:07,920
Oh, don't, don't say it that 
matter of fact. 

1833
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:10,760
We don't don't put it past them.
Wave lights. 

1834
01:49:12,160 --> 01:49:14,360
They're well, it's so stupid. 
I hate it. 

1835
01:49:14,560 --> 01:49:18,960
My yeah, my boldest prediction 
for this year is no rabbits at 

1836
01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:23,080
Diamond League races this year. 
But we all know that's wrong. 

1837
01:49:23,560 --> 01:49:26,280
Yeah, I hate to break it to me 
that there are wave lights and 

1838
01:49:26,280 --> 01:49:29,600
rabbits all exist. 
And one of my bold predictions 

1839
01:49:29,600 --> 01:49:33,640
is that Mac is going to find 
where the wave lights are 

1840
01:49:33,640 --> 01:49:36,720
plugged into and in the middle 
of a race, just go and unplug. 

1841
01:49:36,720 --> 01:49:40,360
And you know what? 
He'll be doing everyone a favor.

1842
01:49:40,360 --> 01:49:42,960
They're like, oh, now this race 
got really good all of a sudden.

1843
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:46,640
Yeah, your boldest prediction is
is I finally turned the corner 

1844
01:49:46,640 --> 01:49:52,160
on rabbits and wave lights. 
That's true pre Did you have any

1845
01:49:52,160 --> 01:49:54,760
other world ultimate 
predictions? 

1846
01:49:56,480 --> 01:50:01,720
I was going to say, well, I 
think it was kind of associated 

1847
01:50:01,720 --> 01:50:04,160
with the other one, which was, I
think I said it earlier, but 

1848
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:07,400
Donovan Brasier winning the 8 
hundreds because I think that 

1849
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:12,400
would be a fairy tale ending and
and I think he's capable of it. 

1850
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:18,480
So I'm going to go with that. 
Yeah, that was that was my my 

1851
01:50:18,480 --> 01:50:23,240
other one that I and maybe my 
other one that I also kind of 

1852
01:50:23,240 --> 01:50:26,840
had maybe a nostalgic one. 
But Sharika Jackson comes back, 

1853
01:50:27,440 --> 01:50:31,280
runs 21, five and wins the wins 
the 200 as well. 

1854
01:50:32,240 --> 01:50:35,360
Anderson thoughts cuz I I and 
give us an Elaine Thompson her 

1855
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:38,920
raw, bold prediction here. 
I mean, for Thompson raw, I was,

1856
01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:41,760
I was going to say actually had 
Sharika as one of those athletes

1857
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:44,640
who would get one of these 
discretionary because she's not 

1858
01:50:44,640 --> 01:50:47,480
an Olympic champion, not a world
champion dealing with injuries. 

1859
01:50:47,480 --> 01:50:49,480
And she's one of like World 
Athletics favorite. 

1860
01:50:49,480 --> 01:50:52,920
So I don't know. 
I don't know if I have, I don't 

1861
01:50:52,920 --> 01:50:56,280
know about Elaine Thompson 
hurrah, bold predictions. 

1862
01:50:57,000 --> 01:51:01,400
I'm not as confident on that. 
I do have Sydney, I don't know 

1863
01:51:01,400 --> 01:51:04,640
how bold it is, but I have 
Sydney winning the 200 at 

1864
01:51:04,640 --> 01:51:08,320
Ultimate Championships. 
I think she's going to run an 

1865
01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:11,200
either run enough races or 
she'll get that discretionary 

1866
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:14,720
pick to go to world to go here 
and then she'll win the 200 

1867
01:51:14,840 --> 01:51:19,120
against a high quality field 
with like Julian, with Melissa, 

1868
01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:21,280
like I think she'll actually get
that win. 

1869
01:51:21,640 --> 01:51:24,000
I like this. 
I like that a lot, Anderson. 

1870
01:51:24,040 --> 01:51:26,240
And so this is the first time 
we've had you on the podcast 

1871
01:51:26,240 --> 01:51:29,680
since me and Preet discussed 
this when the 2028 schedule came

1872
01:51:29,680 --> 01:51:34,720
out and me and Preet reacted and
you know, one to the outrage 

1873
01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:37,840
that on social media a lot of 
people were like, I can't 

1874
01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:40,520
believe that the 404 hundred 
hurdles double is impossible. 

1875
01:51:40,520 --> 01:51:43,280
Like what a tragedy, like we 
wanted to see Sydney do that. 

1876
01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:50,400
And my counter thought to that 
was like, I think Sydney in 2025

1877
01:51:50,400 --> 01:51:54,600
proved that she'll accept a 
challenge head on and you'd be 

1878
01:51:54,600 --> 01:51:56,920
like, all right, these are the 
cards that are being dealt. 

1879
01:51:57,000 --> 01:51:58,760
Like I'm going to make the most 
of it. 

1880
01:51:58,760 --> 01:52:02,240
And I said that if you told her 
now that, hey, the 2028 schedule

1881
01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:06,280
is going to be the double that 
is possible for you is 204 

1882
01:52:06,280 --> 01:52:09,800
hundred, She's like, bet, like 
I'm going to go after that. 

1883
01:52:09,800 --> 01:52:13,200
And I think I, I kind of like 
this because then you use 2026 

1884
01:52:13,200 --> 01:52:19,840
as a test to step down and make 
some improvement to the 200 and 

1885
01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:23,520
set yourself up so nicely that 
you already got a buy for 2027 

1886
01:52:23,520 --> 01:52:24,800
worlds. 
Like she doesn't have to run 

1887
01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:27,600
another 400 till she gets on the
track in Beijing. 

1888
01:52:27,600 --> 01:52:31,600
And then from there, it's like, 
all right, you start to 

1889
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:35,280
establish yourself in the 200 by
2028, now that you're like, all 

1890
01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:37,800
right, we've kissed the 400 
hurdles goodbye. 

1891
01:52:37,880 --> 01:52:40,360
At this point, I've put the 
world record pretty far out 

1892
01:52:40,360 --> 01:52:42,800
there. 
Sure, breaking 50 would be nice,

1893
01:52:42,800 --> 01:52:44,640
but what does it mean in the 
grand scheme of things? 

1894
01:52:45,040 --> 01:52:46,880
204 hundred? 
That's the challenge. 

1895
01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:50,120
Let's let's let's prove to the 
world that I can do it. 

1896
01:52:50,240 --> 01:52:54,280
And I like that. 
I I'm, I mean, yeah, I'm excited

1897
01:52:54,280 --> 01:52:57,280
by that thought. 
Yeah, I, I think exactly you 

1898
01:52:57,280 --> 01:53:00,680
just said this is a year cuz 
she's shown what you could do in

1899
01:53:00,680 --> 01:53:03,520
the 400. 
She just needs to prove that she

1900
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:05,400
is capable. 
I think we all believe she's 

1901
01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:08,120
capable in the 200 and like at 
least has a lot of untapped 

1902
01:53:08,120 --> 01:53:09,800
potential. 
She just needs to prove for us 

1903
01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:16,480
to herself like OK, let me drop 
21721 six probably like and then

1904
01:53:16,800 --> 01:53:19,400
she can make her decision on 
what happens in 2028 at the 

1905
01:53:19,400 --> 01:53:21,840
Olympics. 
I think that's solid for Sydney.

1906
01:53:22,120 --> 01:53:23,800
Mac, are you in agreement too? 
Just sort of because we've, 

1907
01:53:23,880 --> 01:53:28,120
we've talked about this in the 
past of how everyone like a 

1908
01:53:28,120 --> 01:53:31,440
track fan thinks 404 hundred 
hurdles would be a crazy double 

1909
01:53:31,440 --> 01:53:34,080
to try and accomplish at the, at
the LA Olympics. 

1910
01:53:34,280 --> 01:53:37,800
The, the normal sportsman 
doesn't really care about the 

1911
01:53:37,800 --> 01:53:40,360
400 hurdles at a stage like 
that. 

1912
01:53:40,640 --> 01:53:44,600
Sydney doing 24. 
Very reminiscent, of course, of 

1913
01:53:45,160 --> 01:53:50,800
Michael Johnson at the the the 
the Olympics in the 90s that 

1914
01:53:51,040 --> 01:53:53,640
that propelled him to this 
stardom. 

1915
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:58,160
If Sydney could do it on A at 
the home Olympics, it would. 

1916
01:53:58,520 --> 01:54:03,200
It's more impactful to a casual 
sports fan than 404 hundred 

1917
01:54:03,200 --> 01:54:04,560
Hertz. 
Oh, for sure. 

1918
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:06,800
And I've I mean, I've never been
in the camp that's been like, 

1919
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:11,400
oh, she should do the four 
hurdle and open for like double.

1920
01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:12,640
I don't think I've never made 
sense. 

1921
01:54:13,480 --> 01:54:18,440
People got to acknowledge that 
the 400 meter hurdles are as big

1922
01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:21,040
of an event as they are right 
now because of her. 

1923
01:54:21,880 --> 01:54:24,760
And so like the reason that it 
means anything right now is 

1924
01:54:24,760 --> 01:54:27,800
because she's been running it 
for so long at the level that 

1925
01:54:27,800 --> 01:54:30,800
she has. 
So yeah, I mean, she's she's 

1926
01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:32,280
done everything she could in 
that event. 

1927
01:54:32,360 --> 01:54:37,040
And Cindy gets a lot of shit for
one, like perceive not racing 

1928
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:39,360
enough when she races actually 
pretty much just as much as 

1929
01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:46,200
everybody else and like not 
showing like emotion that other 

1930
01:54:46,360 --> 01:54:48,960
people like would be satisfied 
with or something like that. 

1931
01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:54,000
To be as good as she is, like 
she's a effing dog out there. 

1932
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:58,000
Like you have to be like a blue 
blood red blooded like 

1933
01:54:58,000 --> 01:55:00,960
competitor out there. 
Like when she's on a track, she 

1934
01:55:00,960 --> 01:55:02,840
wants to beat everyone. 
She wants to kill everyone. 

1935
01:55:03,400 --> 01:55:08,560
And like that gets me excited. 
What Anderson is talking about, 

1936
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:12,880
about her dropping down to the 
200 to race Melissa, Because I 

1937
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:14,840
think that that's actually what 
Sydney wants to do. 

1938
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:16,600
Like, yeah, she doesn't 
necessarily show that on a 

1939
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:21,120
track, but like Sydney wants, I 
think Sydney wants to show 

1940
01:55:21,120 --> 01:55:24,200
everybody like, no, I'm I'm the 
big dog here. 

1941
01:55:24,800 --> 01:55:27,640
And like what? 
What would be a better example 

1942
01:55:27,640 --> 01:55:30,000
than like going down and racing 
to 200? 

1943
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:32,880
And we've seen her race to 200 
before in in LA. 

1944
01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:35,680
Was that last year? 
She beat Gabby, Jennifer and me.

1945
01:55:36,160 --> 01:55:39,120
She beat everyone in the 200. 
Like the biggest event of that 

1946
01:55:39,120 --> 01:55:42,640
day was that women's 200. 
And she she cleaned up. 

1947
01:55:42,640 --> 01:55:47,040
It wasn't even close. 
Yeah, that that's got me 

1948
01:55:47,040 --> 01:55:48,680
excited. 
I just hope that we're still 

1949
01:55:48,680 --> 01:55:52,280
like in the prime of her career 
for her to be able to drop down 

1950
01:55:52,280 --> 01:55:54,480
like that because that that is 
something that it's really 

1951
01:55:54,480 --> 01:55:59,240
difficult to do. 
But yeah, that that I mean, 

1952
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:01,720
she's already shown that she's 
not afraid to move events. 

1953
01:56:01,720 --> 01:56:04,960
And when, you know, she moved 
over, you know, into the open 4 

1954
01:56:04,960 --> 01:56:07,680
cleaned up there. 
And yeah, I think going down to 

1955
01:56:07,680 --> 01:56:11,440
the 2 is is even more exciting. 
Anderson, I'll come back to you 

1956
01:56:11,440 --> 01:56:13,600
for any other ones that you have
on the World Ultimate 

1957
01:56:13,600 --> 01:56:15,120
Championships. 
But while we're on the subject 

1958
01:56:15,120 --> 01:56:17,480
of the 200 at World Ultimate 
Championships, people may take 

1959
01:56:17,480 --> 01:56:21,040
this as, you know, an act of 
absolute absolution. 

1960
01:56:21,880 --> 01:56:25,120
But I'm gonna go with gout. 
Gout. 

1961
01:56:25,760 --> 01:56:30,960
Is in in for the world Ultimate 
Championships in the 200 he's he

1962
01:56:30,960 --> 01:56:34,920
finished 2025 as the 20th 
fastest man. 

1963
01:56:34,920 --> 01:56:37,960
So if you go on a descending 
order list like that doesn't get

1964
01:56:37,960 --> 01:56:39,960
you into the world ultimate 
championships. 

1965
01:56:39,960 --> 01:56:44,120
But knowing that he does command
the star power, he's got to lay 

1966
01:56:44,120 --> 01:56:46,120
into some of these diamond 
leagues, especially when he 

1967
01:56:46,120 --> 01:56:51,440
attracts viewership numbers and 
a whole continent of fans toward

1968
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:54,000
him. 
He's going to run well enough at

1969
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:58,600
the at these diamond leagues to 
boost his world ranking. 

1970
01:56:59,000 --> 01:57:02,400
And he's going to be among the 
Now, I'm not saying he's going 

1971
01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:05,640
to medal at the World Ultimate 
Championships. 

1972
01:57:05,640 --> 01:57:08,000
I do think that he will qualify 
for it. 

1973
01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:11,960
So he'll be among the, what is 
it, 12 or 16 best 200 meter 

1974
01:57:11,960 --> 01:57:16,560
runners in the world. 
And so for all the people that 

1975
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:21,120
were upset at us during the 
World Championships because of a

1976
01:57:21,400 --> 01:57:26,560
silly pun, there you have it. 
We are very high on Gout Gout's 

1977
01:57:26,600 --> 01:57:30,840
chances for the Ultimate 
Championships in 2025. 

1978
01:57:30,840 --> 01:57:36,360
S take that and run with as many
headlines and articles as you 

1979
01:57:36,360 --> 01:57:38,920
guys did over the graphic from 
last year. 

1980
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:42,640
Anderson, back to you. 
What are some other predictions 

1981
01:57:42,640 --> 01:57:44,880
you've got? 
Just two other quick ones. 

1982
01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:47,480
Yeah, well, let's say three. 
I mean, I do have Gabby, 

1983
01:57:47,720 --> 01:57:48,960
somebody off her running the 
400. 

1984
01:57:48,960 --> 01:57:51,760
I think she will win it at 
Ultimate Championships. 

1985
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:54,080
That's my bet over. 
You're showing me Louie Bow 

1986
01:57:54,400 --> 01:57:58,040
maybe bet, but I think she runs 
it and gets the 400 at Ultimate 

1987
01:57:58,040 --> 01:58:00,400
Champs. 
I think Delilah Muhammad who 

1988
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:03,240
seemingly has not retired. 
I don't think she's. 

1989
01:58:03,280 --> 01:58:05,840
Retired, like she, I guess like 
this was a closing loop on 

1990
01:58:05,840 --> 01:58:07,560
something print and I may be 
talking about in the last 

1991
01:58:07,560 --> 01:58:10,480
episode of our, of our podcast, 
which is sort of like, is 

1992
01:58:10,480 --> 01:58:13,360
Delilah retired or not? 
When I checked back in after 

1993
01:58:13,360 --> 01:58:16,040
Femca Bowl announced her 
transition, she said she still 

1994
01:58:16,040 --> 01:58:19,520
had yet to make a decision. 
But then based off of Instagram 

1995
01:58:19,520 --> 01:58:25,840
stories, Delilah posted some 
video of like, I think it was 

1996
01:58:25,840 --> 01:58:30,480
the whole Arkansas pro training 
groups like sheets for the for 

1997
01:58:30,480 --> 01:58:31,960
the weight room or for some 
workout. 

1998
01:58:31,960 --> 01:58:34,960
And she was among there and it 
said 400 hurdles next to her 

1999
01:58:34,960 --> 01:58:39,760
name on the piece of paper. 
So I presume that means that 

2000
01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:43,520
she's coming back in 2026 in the
400 hurdles. 

2001
01:58:44,080 --> 01:58:47,440
Yeah, so I think she wins the 
foreign hurdles at Ultimate 

2002
01:58:47,440 --> 01:58:49,480
Champs. 
Great way to go out especially. 

2003
01:58:49,480 --> 01:58:55,160
With no Sydney no. 
Femka, that's her path. 

2004
01:58:55,600 --> 01:59:00,240
The last one I do have is kind 
of it's Ultimate Championships 

2005
01:59:00,240 --> 01:59:04,360
adjacent, but I think in at 
least two of the events that 

2006
01:59:04,360 --> 01:59:07,520
they left out of the Ultimate 
Championships, we see world 

2007
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:10,760
records broken throughout the 
year and there's like backlash. 

2008
01:59:10,760 --> 01:59:15,440
So for example, like the the 
hammer throw, the women's hammer

2009
01:59:15,440 --> 01:59:17,120
throw is not at the Ultimate 
Championships. 

2010
01:59:17,320 --> 01:59:19,600
And maybe we see Cameron 
Rodgers, I don't know. 

2011
01:59:19,600 --> 01:59:21,280
I don't know if she'll actually 
break the world record. 

2012
01:59:21,320 --> 01:59:25,280
That's like it's kind of steep, 
but maybe she does the the men's

2013
01:59:25,280 --> 01:59:29,520
3000 meter steeplechase, right? 
Was it either, was it Wale or 

2014
01:59:29,520 --> 01:59:31,480
the other Ethiopian? 
One of The Ethiopians, they 

2015
01:59:31,480 --> 01:59:34,000
broke it like two or three years
ago, relatively recent. 

2016
01:59:34,160 --> 01:59:35,960
Maybe we see that record go 
down, right? 

2017
01:59:35,960 --> 01:59:38,440
Like, I don't know, we see a 
record go up. 

2018
01:59:38,520 --> 01:59:40,040
Valerie Allman in the discus 
throat. 

2019
01:59:40,040 --> 01:59:43,040
Maybe she finds a way to get 3 
or 4 meters to break the record 

2020
01:59:43,400 --> 01:59:46,640
and then there's a backlash of 
like the greatest events that 

2021
01:59:46,640 --> 01:59:49,280
have these world records are not
going down at your quote UN 

2022
01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:50,920
quote biggest meet of the year. 
So. 

2023
01:59:51,280 --> 01:59:54,400
I I like that on your note about
the steeplechase, I'm gonna, 

2024
01:59:54,720 --> 01:59:56,680
it's, I don't think it's that 
bold, but some people might 

2025
01:59:56,680 --> 01:59:59,720
think because it, it is a little
bit of a jump in his PBI think 

2026
01:59:59,720 --> 02:00:02,720
George Beamish becomes the first
white guy to break 8 minutes in 

2027
02:00:02,720 --> 02:00:06,400
the in the steeplechase. 
He was so close to being Evan 

2028
02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:09,040
Jaeger. 
But I think it'll be George 

2029
02:00:09,040 --> 02:00:14,720
Beamish and it'll be at the 
Monaco Diamond League in 2026. 

2030
02:00:15,240 --> 02:00:18,440
Paul George Beamish breaks 8, 
but he's beaten in the same race

2031
02:00:18,440 --> 02:00:21,320
by Frederick Rupert. 
Oh, OK. 

2032
02:00:21,360 --> 02:00:22,600
All right. 
Really. 

2033
02:00:22,600 --> 02:00:23,920
So then he wouldn't be the first
white guy. 

2034
02:00:23,920 --> 02:00:25,440
Then it'd be Frederick Rupert. 
Yeah. 

2035
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:27,840
He still breaks 8. 
He still breaks like that, OK. 

2036
02:00:28,840 --> 02:00:31,120
All right, Paul, give us your 
your and and do you have a 

2037
02:00:31,120 --> 02:00:33,200
reaction to the Cameron Rodgers 
mentioned that Anderson had? 

2038
02:00:33,920 --> 02:00:37,840
I think, I mean, it's like 
Anita's world record is a really

2039
02:00:37,840 --> 02:00:42,280
big number, but when you look at
what Cameron did at Worlds, that

2040
02:00:42,280 --> 02:00:46,600
was almost a 2m PB and that's 
something we had really kind of 

2041
02:00:47,160 --> 02:00:50,320
known that she was capable of 
for a long time and she just 

2042
02:00:50,320 --> 02:00:55,400
kind of needed it to sync up. 
So I don't think it's 

2043
02:00:55,400 --> 02:01:00,920
necessarily out of the question.
But also, I mean, I think when 

2044
02:01:00,920 --> 02:01:04,920
Anita broke the world record for
the first or when Anita threw 

2045
02:01:04,920 --> 02:01:08,920
what is the world record right 
now, I think she was maybe close

2046
02:01:08,920 --> 02:01:12,920
to 30 because I was in it wasn't
she broke the world record in 

2047
02:01:12,920 --> 02:01:14,720
Rio, the world record that 
stands now. 

2048
02:01:14,720 --> 02:01:21,160
She threw in 2016 after Rio. 
And so I mean, Cameron still got

2049
02:01:21,160 --> 02:01:25,280
a lot of years to just continue 
building strength and technical 

2050
02:01:25,280 --> 02:01:27,680
prowess. 
So like, it's not a bad thing if

2051
02:01:27,680 --> 02:01:31,040
it's not this year. 
But I do think that is on the 

2052
02:01:31,040 --> 02:01:33,960
table on the right day. 
OK. 

2053
02:01:34,280 --> 02:01:35,760
All right. 
What are some of your World 

2054
02:01:35,760 --> 02:01:36,920
Ultimate Championship 
predictions? 

2055
02:01:36,920 --> 02:01:39,840
I know you have you have it out 
for them a little bit because 

2056
02:01:39,840 --> 02:01:41,560
they didn't include some of your
favorite events. 

2057
02:01:42,160 --> 02:01:46,200
I I was going to say, my first 
prediction is that they regret 

2058
02:01:46,200 --> 02:01:49,440
not having either discus, either
shot put or women's hammer. 

2059
02:01:49,440 --> 02:01:52,200
In it and keep them up at night 
every day of 2026. 

2060
02:01:53,600 --> 02:01:58,080
I think about the events that 
will be there for both javelins.

2061
02:01:59,480 --> 02:02:02,520
I think in the women's jab, you 
see someone who's never won a 

2062
02:02:02,520 --> 02:02:06,680
global medal win the World 
Ultimate Championship, which is 

2063
02:02:06,680 --> 02:02:08,880
that's just how women's jab 
works. 

2064
02:02:10,040 --> 02:02:13,080
Pre just reminded me of 
something that I don't know if 

2065
02:02:13,080 --> 02:02:16,440
I'm going to steal his Thunder 
on that one, but I think a a 

2066
02:02:16,800 --> 02:02:20,480
likely candidate for that is 
Adriano Vlogos, who's 

2067
02:02:20,680 --> 02:02:24,360
ridiculously good from Serbia. 
She's I think this is going to 

2068
02:02:24,360 --> 02:02:27,920
be her age 22 season. 
Wait, what about 21 maybe? 

2069
02:02:27,960 --> 02:02:31,520
Chinese girl who's like she's. 
Like, OK, well that's that's the

2070
02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:35,920
one Pre reminded me of 'cause I 
I had thought about that last 

2071
02:02:35,920 --> 02:02:39,480
night, but I thought she was 
still going to be 17 this year. 

2072
02:02:39,720 --> 02:02:43,360
And World Athletics doesn't 
allow U18 athletes to compete in

2073
02:02:43,360 --> 02:02:47,200
the throws at global 
championships, which is why she 

2074
02:02:47,200 --> 02:02:48,720
wasn't in Tokyo, even though 
she. 

2075
02:02:48,760 --> 02:02:50,400
Yeah, explain. 
Explain it to the to the 

2076
02:02:50,440 --> 02:02:53,160
listeners who don't know how. 
This has been ridiculous. 

2077
02:02:53,280 --> 02:02:56,600
Like, the best javelin thrower 
in the world arguably has not 

2078
02:02:56,600 --> 02:02:58,840
been able to compete at any of 
the last couple World 

2079
02:02:58,840 --> 02:03:02,240
Championships because she's a 
teenager in China. 

2080
02:03:02,960 --> 02:03:09,160
Yeah, So Yanzi Yi, it started in
2024 when she was a couple weeks

2081
02:03:09,160 --> 02:03:14,360
before she turned 16, she broke 
the world U20 record in the 

2082
02:03:14,360 --> 02:03:18,960
women's javelin through I think.
Then it was at like 6460, which 

2083
02:03:18,960 --> 02:03:20,880
broke the record by almost a 
meter. 

2084
02:03:21,400 --> 02:03:25,320
And then this year she had 
multiple throws over 65 meters. 

2085
02:03:25,320 --> 02:03:28,880
So she's now almost 2 full 
meters better than any other U18

2086
02:03:28,880 --> 02:03:31,720
thrower or U20 thrower in world 
history. 

2087
02:03:32,440 --> 02:03:37,880
But World Athletics has a rule 
where if you're AU 18 athlete, 

2088
02:03:38,640 --> 02:03:41,840
you cannot compete in any of the
throws at a global 

2089
02:03:41,840 --> 02:03:43,520
championships. 
Like she could have been in 

2090
02:03:43,520 --> 02:03:48,360
Paris last year as a 15 year old
if a 16 year old, I guess if she

2091
02:03:48,360 --> 02:03:53,480
was in any event other than a 
throw and like she's one of the 

2092
02:03:53,480 --> 02:03:55,920
absolute best in the world. 
Like I think she finished last 

2093
02:03:55,920 --> 02:03:58,480
year maybe 4th on the world 
list. 

2094
02:03:58,520 --> 02:04:03,120
I think in 2024 she might have 
been 5th at the end of the year,

2095
02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:09,200
but she turns 18 in May, as pre 
reminded me a couple minutes 

2096
02:04:09,200 --> 02:04:12,880
ago. 
So she should be there in her 

2097
02:04:12,880 --> 02:04:15,480
first global championship 
experience, which is going to be

2098
02:04:15,480 --> 02:04:17,440
really fun. 
So I think either her or Adriana

2099
02:04:17,440 --> 02:04:20,360
Vilagos are really strong 
candidates to win the women's 

2100
02:04:20,360 --> 02:04:22,320
title. 
Yeah, 'cause I just looked it up

2101
02:04:22,320 --> 02:04:23,760
for you, Paul. 
Yeah. 

2102
02:04:25,040 --> 02:04:28,560
Is it Yanzi Yi? 
That's that's Yanzi Yi was ninth

2103
02:04:28,560 --> 02:04:33,920
in the world in 2024 and then 
fourth in 2025, or maybe even 

2104
02:04:33,920 --> 02:04:34,280
third. 
I. 

2105
02:04:34,600 --> 02:04:38,720
Think anyway, I think it was, 
yeah, third. 

2106
02:04:39,880 --> 02:04:42,160
Yeah. 
So she's finally going to be 

2107
02:04:42,160 --> 02:04:44,880
able to compete on the stage 
that she deserves this year, 

2108
02:04:44,880 --> 02:04:48,480
which is going to be really fun 
to watch in the men's javelin. 

2109
02:04:49,400 --> 02:04:52,880
I would say Arshad Nadeem wins 
the World Ultimate Championship 

2110
02:04:52,880 --> 02:04:55,880
in his only competition of the 
year, but that's not that bold 

2111
02:04:55,880 --> 02:04:58,240
of a prediction given how his 
seasons usually go. 

2112
02:04:58,640 --> 02:05:03,120
So I'm going to. 
This is the most outlandish 

2113
02:05:03,120 --> 02:05:06,200
thing I think I've ever said, 
and I'm going to say that. 

2114
02:05:06,240 --> 02:05:10,960
Johannes Vetter wins the 2026 
World Ultimate Championship in 

2115
02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:13,600
the men's javelin. 
Hasn't competed at a global 

2116
02:05:13,600 --> 02:05:15,920
championship since the Tokyo 
Olympics. 

2117
02:05:16,440 --> 02:05:19,680
But I think the second best 
thrower to ever, the second best

2118
02:05:19,680 --> 02:05:22,240
javelin thrower in world history
comes all the way back. 

2119
02:05:23,000 --> 02:05:24,880
I wish takes the win and Buddha 
best. 

2120
02:05:25,120 --> 02:05:30,160
I I wish for just downloads and 
views sake you would have just 

2121
02:05:30,400 --> 02:05:33,680
given this to. 
Niraj. 

2122
02:05:33,680 --> 02:05:36,520
Niraj Chopra, But I guess he got
it. 

2123
02:05:36,520 --> 02:05:39,600
That wouldn't be as bold as to 
just say that he would win. 

2124
02:05:40,400 --> 02:05:43,320
Yeah, pre I'm. 
I'm going to make it equally 

2125
02:05:43,320 --> 02:05:44,800
bold. 
One of the other injured dudes 

2126
02:05:44,800 --> 02:05:49,080
goes and wins it. 
There's the guy who came fourth.

2127
02:05:49,240 --> 02:05:52,640
Was it Yado, Sachin Yadav, 
Kishore But or Kishore Yadav? 

2128
02:05:52,640 --> 02:05:55,560
And then there's another like 
two or three other guys who are 

2129
02:05:56,080 --> 02:05:58,360
equally good, who I think 
they're all a bit 

2130
02:05:58,360 --> 02:06:00,560
interchangeable. 
And yeah, one of them comes 

2131
02:06:00,560 --> 02:06:02,120
along and wins. 
Wins, well, ultimate 

2132
02:06:02,120 --> 02:06:04,680
championships. 
Have you guys been fed like this

2133
02:06:05,560 --> 02:06:10,880
Indian sprinter on Instagram 
reels of like this teenage kid? 

2134
02:06:11,120 --> 02:06:13,560
I don't even know how how old he
is, but like apparently he's 

2135
02:06:13,560 --> 02:06:19,120
running like 48 for the 400 and 
he's like this. 

2136
02:06:20,000 --> 02:06:23,040
He he like gets up at 5:00 in 
the morning, feeds the cows and 

2137
02:06:23,040 --> 02:06:26,280
then gets on a train, then 
travels like for two hours to go

2138
02:06:26,280 --> 02:06:29,080
to a track, does a track 
workout, and then travels all 

2139
02:06:29,080 --> 02:06:31,880
the way back home And like he 
does his day in a life video 

2140
02:06:32,040 --> 02:06:35,400
every single day. 
And his name is Parvez Khan. 

2141
02:06:35,400 --> 02:06:37,760
No, no, he's serving a 
suspension. 

2142
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:46,000
But this Indian guy, this Indian
sprinter, he it's like day 58 to

2143
02:06:46,120 --> 02:06:49,960
on the road to LA. 
His goal is to represent India 

2144
02:06:49,960 --> 02:06:54,120
at the 2028 Olympics and he's 
doing his daily Instagram vlogs.

2145
02:06:55,240 --> 02:06:58,400
My bold prediction would be that
this dude gets into a Diamond 

2146
02:06:58,400 --> 02:07:00,120
League and like they give him 
the opportunity. 

2147
02:07:00,120 --> 02:07:03,080
Like it's, it's if you follow 
the guy, if he pops up on your 

2148
02:07:03,080 --> 02:07:07,000
Instagram reels, which now he 
may because our phones are 

2149
02:07:07,000 --> 02:07:09,440
listening to us at all times 
and, and, and they hear you 

2150
02:07:09,440 --> 02:07:13,680
listening and discussing this, 
you're going to follow this 

2151
02:07:13,680 --> 02:07:15,560
account. 
And then you'll get to see him 

2152
02:07:15,560 --> 02:07:17,640
on a start list of a Diamond 
League later on in the year. 

2153
02:07:17,640 --> 02:07:20,680
Although he's got to run a 
little faster than 48 seconds 

2154
02:07:20,680 --> 02:07:24,600
for the 400. 
But I'm all in like of just this

2155
02:07:24,600 --> 02:07:29,160
dude's road to the LA Olympics 
and really from nothing to 

2156
02:07:29,240 --> 02:07:32,080
hopefully getting to the the 
Summer Games. 

2157
02:07:32,080 --> 02:07:34,160
So. 
He's getting the discretionary 

2158
02:07:34,160 --> 02:07:39,560
spot for World Ultimate. 
Him I show speed and then throw.

2159
02:07:39,760 --> 02:07:43,880
If we're going for like maximum 
exposure by adding influencers 

2160
02:07:43,880 --> 02:07:48,680
in there, I don't know, throw in
Truett Haynes, the the, the guy 

2161
02:07:48,680 --> 02:07:51,600
who runs the marathon in jeans, 
who now says he's going after 

2162
02:07:51,600 --> 02:07:57,840
the OTQI think he's run 226 for 
the marathon and was vocal about

2163
02:07:57,840 --> 02:08:00,160
like, his next big goal is to 
try and run the OTQ. 

2164
02:08:01,480 --> 02:08:04,280
And now there's a population of 
people being like, this dude's 

2165
02:08:04,520 --> 02:08:07,080
out of his mind. 
You know what, for being bold. 

2166
02:08:07,280 --> 02:08:09,840
Then predictions say Drew 
Hayne's going to get the OTQ 

2167
02:08:10,520 --> 02:08:13,560
for, for the marathon at some 
point, maybe not this year, 

2168
02:08:13,560 --> 02:08:16,800
maybe next year. 
All right, I think we've 

2169
02:08:16,800 --> 02:08:19,440
exhausted just sort of all of 
our bold predictions. 

2170
02:08:19,440 --> 02:08:23,560
And this will be interesting to 
see who's right on any of these 

2171
02:08:23,880 --> 02:08:29,520
in 2020, in 2026. 
Last year, I got to rest on my 

2172
02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:32,160
laurels all throughout the 
season when I think I said to 

2173
02:08:32,160 --> 02:08:34,560
Preet and Anderson that Melissa 
Jefferson Wooden was going to be

2174
02:08:34,560 --> 02:08:38,320
really good at the 200. 
Paul, did you have a bold one 

2175
02:08:38,320 --> 02:08:43,480
that played out this year? 
I forget what my bold prediction

2176
02:08:43,480 --> 02:08:47,480
for this last year was, but I 
had one that I forgot. 

2177
02:08:47,480 --> 02:08:48,880
Sakes. 
I don't think any of us had 

2178
02:08:48,880 --> 02:08:52,120
anything about World Cross this 
weekend. 

2179
02:08:52,120 --> 02:08:54,800
So my yeah entries just came out
today. 

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Finally, and I think Sneaky 
podium might be a bit rich, but 

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like top five in the relay, I 
think Morocco could surprise 

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some people. 
Their team is, it's basically 

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all NCAA athletes, but he, LR, 
Fawi and Salma, Al Badra. 

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And then the men, they've got 
Flawed, Miss Audi and Honest 

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Society, who was at South 
Carolina a couple years ago. 

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And I don't know, there I was 
looking through the teams and 

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those were probably a little 
like NCAA confirmation bias in a

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way. 
But I was like, I know all those

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names. 
Those people are all really 

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fast. 
The most random prediction could

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be asked. 
For to close out the. 

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Podcast. 
Well I I was hoping more people 

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would have ones about World 
cross so it wouldn't seem so 

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random, but I guess I'll just 
throw that one in there at the 

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end. 
All right, well, we'll, we'll 

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have some of these transcribed 
and in an article so we can 

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easily find out and see what we 
all predicted throughout the 

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year. 
And then in addition to that can

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come back to it all and people 
can take a celebration lap when 

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things turn out right. 
And in a year, we can revisit 

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this and see where we were right
or where we were wrong. 

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But that does it for our Bold 
Predictions episode of the CGS 

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Mag podcast. 
Once again, we will be at the 

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World Cross Country 
Championships this weekend with 

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a six, and we'll be bringing you
live updates, interviews, shows 

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and more. 
So stay tuned to the CGS Mag 

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channels for that you got. 
We'll probably get some updates 

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from Houston and some coverage 
from there as well. 

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And yeah, it's good. 
It's 2026, another year full of 

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track and field. 
All right, that's a wrap on 

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today's episode. 
Thanks for listening, for the 

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time, the curiosity, and for 
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A big thanks to our producer 

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Jasmine Fair, and to everyone 
behind the scenes who helps make

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the Sidious mag. 
Podcast happen. 

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