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We read every single one and 32 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:33,880 they genuinely mean a lot to us. My guest for today's episode is 33 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,120 Cameron Meyers. Over the last three years, the 34 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:38,800 world has gotten to know what Australia has known for a while, 35 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,440 and that's that something special has been coming. 36 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:46,360 At just 19 years old, Cam just ran 727 for 3000 meters to win 37 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,880 the new Bounce Indoor Grand Prix, delivering the fastest 3K 38 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:53,240 ever run by an Australian that's either indoors or outdoors. 39 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,880 In the process, he broke national records held by Kye 40 00:01:55,880 --> 00:02:00,320 Robinson and Stewie Mcswain. He closed in 55.98 seconds over 41 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:03,760 the last 400 meters and surged away from world class field with 42 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,320 the kind of composure that you rarely see from a teenager. 43 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:10,080 To put that performance into perspective, only three men in 44 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,720 history have ever broken 728 before turning 20 years old. 45 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:17,280 That's Elliot Kipchoge, Jacob Piplimo and Yaka Binga Brits, 46 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,480 and that's the company that Cam Myers now keeps. 47 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:21,880 He'll talk about that stat in our chat. 48 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,360 But what makes Cam so compelling isn't just the time, it's the 49 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:26,800 way that he talks about the sport. 50 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,600 He's thoughtful, honest, and remarkably grounded for someone 51 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,000 who's already climbing so high in the global ranks. 52 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,880 In our conversation, he's open about the challenges that he's 53 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,360 faced, including a recent medical set back that forced him 54 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,480 to withdraw from the World Cross Country Championships. 55 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,840 We also talk about his breakout race in Boston, why stacking 56 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,400 training upon training has become his guiding principle, 57 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,480 how he's learning to race to win instead of just hanging on. 58 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,560 Plus, he'll be one of the stars of the Wanamaker Mile at the 59 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,880 Melrose Games this weekend after taking third place last year in 60 00:02:56,920 --> 00:03:02,120 AU 20 mile world record of 347. We're speaking with Cam as part 61 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,240 of his announcement that he has joined the Koros's roster of 62 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,520 professional athletes, which includes the likes of Yaka 63 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:09,520 Binga, Brits and Jess Hall and Alex Yee. 64 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:11,840 He shares a bit of his data-driven approach, but you 65 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,560 can learn more if you read their blog post on him at 66 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,600 koros.com/stories. We'll also link to it in the 67 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,960 show notes. Cam is already rewriting record 68 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,360 books, and he's doing it with a Longview of where his journey 69 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,920 can go since he'll be one of the stars for Australia when they 70 00:03:25,920 --> 00:03:30,040 host the 2032 Olympic Games. So without further ado, here is 71 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:43,600 Cam Myers. All right, now welcome on Cam 72 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:47,880 Myers, just fresh off of a world lead in the 3K at the New 73 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:50,800 Balance Indoor Grand Prix, getting ready for the Mill Rose 74 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,920 Games mile. This weather definitely pretty 75 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,880 different from what you're used to getting in Australia. 76 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:58,880 How's the the snow in Boston still? 77 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,200 Treating you. Yeah, I've never seen snow like 78 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:05,080 this before, so it's a it's a big change of scenery, but yeah, 79 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:06,200 it's nice. I'm getting used to it. 80 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,800 So yeah, I mean, it's better than like the 40° heat that we'd 81 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,640 been having sort of just before I left. 82 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:15,040 So yeah, I'll take this. All right, so we're a couple 83 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:20,360 days removed from 727 now you've had some time to reflect and 84 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,000 think on it, maybe even watch it back. 85 00:04:22,000 --> 00:04:23,800 Like what sticks out to you about that performance? 86 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,600 I mean, I'm just, I'm just pretty pleased to get, get the 87 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,040 win and I, I think I've seen definitely an improvement over 88 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,040 the last 12 months in, in terms of strength. 89 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,640 And I think that, you know, I'm a better athlete than I was 12 90 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:36,040 months ago. So it's nice to have that 91 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,160 validated through, you know, a performance. 92 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,200 No, you don't always get those metrics because, you know, you 93 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,960 have to have a perfect race to get those, I guess data points. 94 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:48,200 So it's nice to see that and it's nice to to win a race as 95 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:49,440 well. So I'm pretty happy. 96 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,360 I guess like, because you've just had like such a quick rise 97 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:57,800 to this level of the sport in the last couple years for sure, 98 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,040 you've found yourself maybe more so hanging on in these races 99 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,280 against the pros. But now this past weekend, I 100 00:05:04,280 --> 00:05:07,880 think the biggest thing that sticks out is with 400 meters 101 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:12,280 out, you're the one that's able to take control of the race. 102 00:05:12,280 --> 00:05:15,560 I guess what's the thing that changed there in terms of just 103 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,240 your approach to the closing stages of the race? 104 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:22,240 Yeah, I mean, it's funny, I think we haven't really changed 105 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,520 too much, but I think it's just like, you know, doing more of 106 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,800 the same in training. And I think year on year I'm 107 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,760 just developing a lot. So, you know, I used to just get 108 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,680 to like 400 to go and I'd be pretty cooked ready and like my 109 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,400 ability to move up in a race was pretty limited. 110 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:40,800 And I feel like now I get to 400 to go and I'm almost waiting for 111 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,240 a move to happen. And, you know, I even last year 112 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:44,840 I feel like I was sort of liking that a bit more. 113 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:47,840 But now, you know, I feel comfortable enough that I can 114 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,960 sort of dictate races a little bit more, which is always, you 115 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:52,560 know, nice. And I feel like I'm actually 116 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:55,200 involved in the races, which is, which is another step in the 117 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:57,320 right direction. And it's funny, like even though 118 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,320 I came, I guess quickly to a high level, it's like still over 119 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,560 these last two or three years, I've been like figuring out how 120 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,080 to, you know, make that next jump. 121 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,520 So I think you know, it's a, it's a good step in the right 122 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,000 direction. I guess the one thing that also 123 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,800 stood out when you were coming through the mix zone on Saturday 124 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:15,360 was that you said like you struggle with like that 60 125 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,760 second quarter pace. And I guess in a race like this 126 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,600 past weekend, like, how do you kind of just detach from that 127 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:24,040 thought in the middle of the race? 128 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,320 Because obviously Graham is a guy who's gonna try and make it 129 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,960 hurt and he's someone who can sustain something like that. 130 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,680 But for you, I guess like you prove that you can hang with it. 131 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,720 Yeah, I mean, that's The thing is like in the race, I think 132 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:38,200 you're always going to be pretty stuffed. 133 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,480 Like even last year, I think I remember looking off at the laps 134 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:44,160 to go and it's like 12 laps to go and I was already sort of 135 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:46,600 feeling the pinch. And so this year I looked up and 136 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,960 it was like, you know, maybe 7 or 8 laps ago and I was like, 137 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:51,360 yeah, I'm not feeling great here. 138 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,160 But it's, it's, it's less laps than last year. 139 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,400 So I mean, it's just like about staying, I guess I use the 140 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,440 rubber band analogy. It's like just not letting that 141 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:03,280 rubber band get too far, you know, away from me. 142 00:07:03,280 --> 00:07:07,640 So, yeah, as long as I could see sort of Graham and, and know 143 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,520 that I wasn't, you know, he wasn't moving away. 144 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:12,600 I think it was just enough for me to sort of keep in touch with 145 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:13,800 him. And, and I knew that I'd 146 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:17,280 probably be at a close heart if I'm, if I'm there because it 147 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,120 sort of taps into another energy system, which I, I feel like I 148 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,120 might have the advantage over him in that situation. 149 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:27,760 What's different about your approach to this year's indoor 150 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,960 season compared to last year's 'cause I guess like the race is 151 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,600 coming into Milrose this time around, a little bit different 152 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,920 where as last year, I mean this, this time around there's a full 153 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:41,000 on 10K on your resume from cross country before this one. 154 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,880 So what what did you and your coach, I guess, sit down and and 155 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:47,520 kind of plan out the structure of this indoor season, you know, 156 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,720 compared to last year's? Yeah, I mean, I have a pretty 157 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,560 similar structure to last year. I think I raised the mile. 158 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:57,360 It was everything was pushed forward a week this year just 159 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:00,400 because of how, you know, New Balance was the 24th. 160 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,440 I think last year was maybe the first or something. 161 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,320 So everything's like pushed forward a week. 162 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,120 And so we kind of decided the structure last week the last 163 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:13,400 year was was pretty good rather. So yeah, I started with the mile 164 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,800 last year and I ran 353 at Doctor Sanders and this year I 165 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,600 went to the Dempsey and I sort of like it's not a race that I'm 166 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,040 like looking to runtime. It's just more like I need a 167 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,920 hard 4 laps or 8 laps on an indoor track, hard 8 laps before 168 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,280 I go into a 3K. And I feel like it just gives me 169 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:33,120 that feeling that I'm a bit more comfortable going into a 3K. 170 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:36,640 And then obviously run the 3K sort of test the strength gauge 171 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,720 how I am compared to last year and then do the mile again, 172 00:08:39,720 --> 00:08:43,840 which is which is the big one. So yeah, I think it just gives 173 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,240 gives me like a good set of three races. 174 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,680 Sees how you know my my winter's tracking I guess. 175 00:08:49,680 --> 00:08:53,240 And yeah, gives me a good place to to keep going for the rest of 176 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,920 the year. Was that 349 at UW as 177 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:57,480 comfortable as it looked like it? 178 00:08:57,560 --> 00:09:00,360 I mean, you, you weren't necessarily challenged, you 179 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,080 know, by anyone in that race. And it just looked very 180 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:05,440 controlled. Yeah. 181 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,960 I mean, it's difficult because you don't really have many 182 00:09:07,960 --> 00:09:11,160 expectations when you go into like I guess the first race 183 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,680 season, like I didn't know I hadn't done too many workouts 184 00:09:14,680 --> 00:09:16,600 where I run like mile pace or anything like that. 185 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:21,840 So my goal is just to to go out whatever the whatever the guys 186 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,200 wanted for the pace for the 1st 800, I was happy to sit in and 187 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,040 you know, if I felt good, which I did, I was just going to go 188 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,160 around them and yeah, just see how quick I could run the last 189 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,840 800. I guess it was more for me it 190 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,360 was like I just needed a hard, you know, hard mile. 191 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,120 I didn't, I didn't want like, you know, a kick down or 192 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:41,680 anything. I just wanted a hard full ups 193 00:09:41,680 --> 00:09:43,720 and and see how it goes. So I think I went like one 194 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,800 58151, which is it's a nice confidence booster going into 195 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,200 like a 3K and then a mile, you know, this week. 196 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:53,080 So yeah. Yeah, we'll, we'll touch on sort 197 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,920 of like maybe what you've got in mind for for Melrose in a little 198 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,640 bit. But going back to even to last 199 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,840 year, Dr. Sander 353. And then I guess I kind of just 200 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,080 remember, yes, there was a lot of excitement over Yard and 201 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,360 Hobbes up in the front of the race getting under the previous 202 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:10,200 world record. But when you ran 347 and just 203 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,120 sort of the the shock on your face is still something that I 204 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,480 like. I vividly just sort of remember 205 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:18,520 how much of A like, I guess a holy shit moment was that for 206 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,080 you. Yeah, that was definitely like 207 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:24,400 probably the craziest moment I've had in my career this far. 208 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:28,880 I mean, yeah, it was. It's weird because like last 209 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,440 year I came into the indoor season with the sole goal of 210 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:34,800 just breaking 350 in the mall. And that was like, that was my 211 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:39,640 my big thing because I'd run 350.1 I think twice in 2024. 212 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:42,080 So I think going to indoor season, that was just the big 213 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,160 goal to take that off. And I thought, you know, I'd 214 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,240 maybe be a shot at running 348 high, 349 low to mid. 215 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,600 And so like to run 347. It actually did, you know, 216 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,240 surprise me quite a lot rather than this year. 217 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,280 I feel like that's almost the expectation now. 218 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:02,000 So yeah, the stand is definitely, definitely raised 219 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,160 and the bar has been raised. So yeah, it's it's good. 220 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:11,080 I guess like when you got back home after mill rows, I mean, if 221 00:11:11,080 --> 00:11:15,200 the if the goal was just let's get under 350 and then you just 222 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,760 absolutely crush that. Then when you sit down and 223 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,320 assess plans for the outdoor season or goals for it, like did 224 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,400 it totally kind of change things or or not? 225 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,000 Not a whole ton. Yeah, I mean, the goal was 226 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,800 definitely, you know, going to outdoor season was definitely to 227 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:35,200 break 330I mean, I think even maybe I got a bit carried away 228 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:39,920 chasing that a little bit. So yeah, I think it definitely 229 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,120 shifted my perspective a little bit because no longer was it 230 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,800 about like trying to run, you know, 330-2331. 231 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,680 It was just like, how quick can I go? 232 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:51,960 And even when I ran 329, I feel like the standards raised again 233 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,640 because then I felt like I was going to London and Celestia in 234 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:57,640 those sort of races with the the goal to go a lot quicker. 235 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,040 So yeah, it's, it's interesting how you have like one really 236 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:04,320 good result and then automatically your, I guess 237 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:06,760 perception changes, you know, instantly. 238 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,040 So yeah. You guys do have a, you know, a 239 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,200 national championship, but then it's sort of like after 240 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,800 nationals is really when the pressure ramps up for 241 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:18,480 Australians because then it's like, OK, whatever the finishing 242 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,520 order was, now you got to hold your spot throughout the season. 243 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,000 Like, how do you describe sort of that, you know, pressure and 244 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,000 also like the mental side of qualifying for a global 245 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:29,800 championship as an Australian? Yeah. 246 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,840 I mean, this year I sort of had the luxury of, of having 247 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,520 automatic selection. And that was something that we 248 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,560 like targeted pretty hard because you run the standard 249 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:42,720 prior to prior to the championships and you run one 250 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,120 race in Australia and then you win the nationals, you pretty 251 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,760 much like automatic selection. And so we kind of were able to 252 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,960 like choose our races and race a little bit more freely. 253 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,440 And I feel like that definitely helped me a lot. 254 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,240 Whereas in 2024, having come I think 5th and nationals, the 255 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,560 pressure is definitely there to run well every single time you 256 00:13:01,560 --> 00:13:03,920 race. And I feel like that pressure 257 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:06,560 definitely, I mean, probably affects your performance in some 258 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:09,560 respect and even like just the races that you you pick. 259 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,840 And so I feel like that aspect definitely probably doesn't help 260 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,880 us Australians. But I mean, there's not really a 261 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,040 much better system we can do here. 262 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:21,840 I mean, I think I like the American system of top three. 263 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,160 However, you know, you can't really do that in April because 264 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,640 that's not going to, that's not going to be the best system in 265 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,560 April. So yeah, I mean, it's definitely 266 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:32,200 hard and it's definitely an interesting topic, but yeah. 267 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:34,800 I guess you even had just a little bit of a complicated 268 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:38,600 relationship with just the global championships as a whole, 269 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,640 right? So if we go back to 2023, like 270 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:44,080 you qualified and I think like you made the decision that it 271 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,560 was like, all right, I'm gonna pass on Budapest. 272 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:50,480 And in 2024, I mean, it's just one of the toughest teams to 273 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,800 make. You don't get to go to the 274 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,280 Olympics, but you do end up going to the World Junior 275 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,120 Championships and you end up with a silver medal there. 276 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:03,040 And then last year it was your first time at a senior world 277 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,880 championship, and I guess what did you make of sort of that 278 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,320 experience? What's the biggest lesson you 279 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:09,840 took away from your time in Tokyo? 280 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,640 Yeah, I mean, Tokyo is a difficult one for me to swallow. 281 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,440 I guess I probably had a lot higher expectations. 282 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,520 Definitely. I had a few sort of things 283 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:20,600 hiccups, I guess before the championship. 284 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,360 So I actually came home to Australia. 285 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,680 I think that's one thing I don't recommend. 286 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,920 I wouldn't say because you're going from like a super hot 287 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,640 climate to like a really cold climate. 288 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:33,200 And I feel like sort of trying to juggle doing specific work 289 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:34,880 and that sort of where this probably doesn't suit. 290 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,720 And so that's probably 1 mistake I made. 291 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,920 And I think also, yeah, I probably could have gone up to 292 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:45,400 altitude or stay to altitude between maybe Celestia and World 293 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:47,760 Champs. There was that aspect. 294 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,640 And then also I think maybe I was generally a little bit 295 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,920 cooked as well because I'd been racing for for a while and I 296 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:56,960 feel like I was chasing pretty hard to sort of run the national 297 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:00,160 record and and stuff like that. So I think mentally maybe I 298 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:04,160 wasn't as fresh and still, you know, on an upswing as you'd 299 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:05,960 probably want to be going into a championship. 300 00:15:06,760 --> 00:15:09,440 How much downtime, I guess did you take after Tokyo? 301 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,240 Because I guess for you guys then it kind of, you know, while 302 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:16,200 it's starting to get to fall winter out here, I mean it's 303 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:20,280 prime season time for you guys. Yeah, I mean, I still took maybe 304 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,920 a week off running. I think that was probably needed 305 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,000 more so for like a mental reset than a physical reset. 306 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,920 Like, yeah, my body was fine. I didn't have any injuries or 307 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:33,560 anything. So in that respect I was pretty, 308 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,040 pretty lucky. But yeah, just to just to reset 309 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,720 mentally and then like, OK, I have X amount of weeks to build 310 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,520 up and being able to just take your time to do things. 311 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,760 And then once, once you get into like a physical condition where 312 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,200 you feel like you can race, then I, I was sort of deciding what 313 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:51,920 when to race and stuff like that. 314 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,520 Was that I guess before Tokyo that some of the medical stuff 315 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,440 tied to I guess what you were experiencing later on that you 316 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,320 kind of just recently got sorted out before, I guess after the 317 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:04,440 cross country? I had a couple of incidents 318 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,480 where I just like to passed out on runs. 319 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,280 I spent a couple of days in hospital after Celestia. 320 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,440 So I kind of like, I was a bit rattled from that and then I 321 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,840 flew back to Australia, I had some appointments and I feel 322 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:19,120 like all that sort of compounded and I probably wasn't my best, I 323 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:21,520 guess, mentally and physically going into Tokyo. 324 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,440 So I think that was probably a difficult thing. 325 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:28,040 And then also I got sick in the staging camp and I was like, to 326 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,400 be fair, that was completely on me. 327 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:33,200 I feel going into championships, I was probably doing a little 328 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:35,760 bit too much socializing in terms of just like around a team 329 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,440 village and stuff like that. And that's definitely something 330 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:43,480 I'll take, I guess, from, you know, out of that experience. 331 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,920 And maybe, yeah, I know Jess, for an example, spent a lot of 332 00:16:47,920 --> 00:16:50,480 time by herself and I don't think she actually came to the 333 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:53,080 staging camp. And I think it's just hard when 334 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,440 you have a bunch of athletes all coming together who are all 335 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,480 probably like, I guess high risk. 336 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,200 And, you know, you're always kind of on the edge in terms of 337 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,520 sickness and you put them all together. 338 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,440 I feel like it's probably bound to to get a bit of sickness 339 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:09,000 there. So yeah, I got sick maybe like 340 00:17:09,800 --> 00:17:12,319 10 days out and I was like, OK, this would be fine. 341 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:16,079 And I kind of got to my, you know, 3-4 days before the race 342 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:19,160 and I kind of got to do sessions and it wasn't really gone as 343 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,319 well as I'd hoped. So yeah, I mean, I had, I had a 344 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:26,079 few sort of hiccups, but I think more or less, you know, you 345 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:27,960 learn a lot from those situations. 346 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,680 And I hope, hope, you know, going to the future, I can sort 347 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,520 of apply those lessons and make better. 348 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,560 Passing out on runs is sounds so scary. 349 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:40,160 I guess like as it I'm sure even more so for you in their shoes, 350 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,400 but I guess like, did you start to get answers from from doctors 351 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,920 more recently? It's still sort of I guess up in 352 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,080 the air. I've had clearances to come over 353 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:52,240 to to America and I guess that's the the important thing. 354 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,000 I don't think it's an immediate risk for me. 355 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:00,480 So yeah, I'm just glad I'm able to race and able to train. 356 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,640 And I didn't miss any training, which was good. 357 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,440 But yeah, it's just you want to make sure that you're 100% 358 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,120 healthy and you're not a risk. So yeah. 359 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,360 OK. So going back to this past 360 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:14,520 weekend's performance, I did see just sort of that Australian 361 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,080 like statistics account that put something out that you're 362 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:21,800 because I think now you're in company with the likes of Elliot 363 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,440 Kipchogi, Jacob Pipolimo, Jacob Bingabritsen as I think the only 364 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:27,000 guys to get under. What was it? 365 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:31,960 It was it 7 under 730 or I think that's what it might have been 366 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,840 before the age of 20 or whatever it was. 367 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:40,040 And I guess like when stats like that get thrown around, I mean, 368 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,760 at this point, because you're so used to it over the last couple 369 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,080 of years with age group records and all that stuff, does it do 370 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,680 anything for your confidence? I wouldn't say it does much for 371 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,040 my confidence. It's, it's just, it's nice to 372 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,640 see a list with those sort of names and your mind also 373 00:18:53,640 --> 00:18:56,280 involved, I feel like. And it also probably gives me 374 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,880 the confidence in knowing that maybe later on in my career I 375 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,520 could probably move up because you see a lot of those guys are 376 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:05,440 more distance orientated. So it does give me some sort of, 377 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,200 I guess, validity that maybe in the future I could step up and 378 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,240 do a good 5K. So yeah, it's it's a nice list 379 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,600 for sure. I remember a couple years ago 380 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,560 you did an interview with like the, the inside inside running 381 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,880 guys and there was something that they brought up just sort 382 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,520 of, and, and this was kind of the first signs of just like 383 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:29,080 this maturity that you've just shown over over the last couple 384 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,000 years in, in your approach to the sport is that I think they 385 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:35,400 brought up as like, oh, are Jakob's age group records just 386 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:38,240 simply like the targets for you? And, and you said something 387 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,600 like, no, and that didn't just come from like a place of 388 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,040 respect. It was also just basically you 389 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,160 acknowledged very early on there's like, you know, that, 390 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,920 you know, progress and that trajectory isn't linear all the 391 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,360 time. When did you first sort of start 392 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:55,720 to instill that in your head? Because someone's so young, 393 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,840 like, and we're seeing it with Sam Rouge where it's like, all 394 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,080 right, it's here's the 16 year old mile record, here's the 16 395 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:05,000 year old 1500 record. And it's like, all right, he's 396 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,360 breaking records as he goes. And it's just easy to compare to 397 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:11,560 who's had it before. But you know, I guess for you, 398 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:15,640 you never really let yourself get trapped into the comparison 399 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:18,840 game. I'm more focused on like, I 400 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:23,600 guess improving in training, whether that be improving just 401 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,480 based on, you know, seeing that my threshold's going up, on my 402 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,440 mileage over time's going up, my speed's getting quicker, stuff 403 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,400 like that. I sort of take those numbers, I 404 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:35,040 guess more so than the actual time. 405 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,960 Overall, I think, you know, times aren't always the best 406 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:41,840 reflection of how well you're tracking and the progress that 407 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,880 you're making. So yeah, I guess as you said, 408 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,840 progress isn't linear. So I feel like I've always had 409 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:51,440 that sort of instilled in me that even though maybe I won't 410 00:20:51,440 --> 00:20:55,880 progress year to year base of time, and I think even in 2024, 411 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,360 I actually didn't run a PB, but I knew that I was still 412 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:01,360 improving as an athlete and I was still getting better. 413 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:04,840 But you just kind of have to like, say, okay, the times 414 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:07,400 aren't coming right now, but I know that I'm still progressing 415 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,800 and I'm at a better level than I am last year. 416 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:14,960 So yeah, I mean, even like with guys like Sam Ruth, Laros and 417 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,640 Jacob, they're all guys that, you know, I guess continued to 418 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,080 improve and develop year on year. 419 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:22,120 And I think, yeah, even for Sam Ruth, I wouldn't be surprised. 420 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:23,440 I think he's by running BU this week. 421 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,360 I wouldn't be surprised if he goes under 350. 422 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:28,560 That would not shock me at all. So yeah, it's exciting to see, 423 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,200 you know, so many young people developing and getting quicker 424 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,360 and faster. And I just hope that they sort 425 00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:36,040 of also have the teams around them that give them, you know, 426 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,800 enough support so that they can keep progressing and, and, you 427 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,960 know, when things don't exactly fall into place, they have the 428 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,800 support that they need to to then go back and then keep 429 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:49,080 improving, you know, later on. This episode of the City Smack 430 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,680 podcast is supported by Alipop, the official soda of smarter 431 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,160 sipping. 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But when those results pop up in 471 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:13,760 your home in Australia, there's a thought Ever crossed your 472 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:14,760 mind? I was like, Oh yeah, that that 473 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:18,920 would have been my race. Yeah, it's funny, I kind of like 474 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,440 like to imagine myself, you know, in an instantly cross 475 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,520 country champs or in a track chance. 476 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,560 But you know, more so I'm just like a fan of the sport. 477 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,760 I pretty much watch I guess most of these races and enjoy 478 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:33,440 watching most of these races. So yeah, I'm a big fan of I 479 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:34,920 guess a lot of the top collegians. 480 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,160 You know, I love watching the cross country and and seeing 481 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,040 Hampton and Rocky go at it and even like the track. 482 00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,800 Yeah, I think this year is going to be super interesting with 483 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,800 obviously Marco, you know, stating publicly Mark. 484 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,080 Just coming up. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 485 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,400 And then also having guys like Brian Masal and and Gary Martin 486 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,640 who will be challenging him. So yeah, it's definitely 487 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,000 interesting. And and I sometimes wonder what 488 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,520 would be different if I went into the NCA system, but yeah, I 489 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,800 really back the system that I've built around me. 490 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,640 So yeah, I don't have any regrets about not going to NCA, 491 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:10,320 but it's nice to sort of be able to watch it and yeah, roughly be 492 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,440 able to compare myself, I guess. Yeah. 493 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,440 What's the closest you came? I feel like I remember Oregon, 494 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:16,440 right? Was that it? 495 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:18,400 Yeah. So I signed in NIL. 496 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,880 So I guess the option was was there, but I decided sort of 497 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,680 after a year that like I signed I guess when I'd run maybe 338 498 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,920 in the 1500 and then within that year I'd run 333, which was like 499 00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:35,560 the NCAA record at the time. So I was like, you know, what 500 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,080 I'm doing at the moment is definitely working, so I may as 501 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,320 well just stick out this and you know, really double down on on 502 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,120 the setup I have around me. You know, I, I, I love when in 503 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:50,440 other sports people assess just sort of like the nature versus 504 00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,520 nurture type of assessments with especially with like young 505 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:54,280 phenoms. I guess. 506 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:57,000 Can you take us back and give some context to people, I guess 507 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,080 like your upbringing in the sport, I guess like how early 508 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,440 did you get started? And like, at what point did it, 509 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,400 did it really ramp up? Yeah. 510 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,080 So I had a junior coach whose name is Baldwin. 511 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:11,400 He sort of was intertwined with this local group that's, I guess 512 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:16,080 professional, but also has like amateurs and professionals both 513 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,720 in the group. And so we were sort of 514 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,680 intertwined and did sessions from a young age. 515 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:23,160 And I think maybe when I was 13, I started jumping in and doing 516 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,520 sessions with them. And at the time, I guess, 2021, 517 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,680 Jai Edwards had run 349 for the mile. 518 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,000 And so I was sort of getting to see him train. 519 00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,440 And, you know, I was pretty much constantly in a professional 520 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,160 environment from a very young age. 521 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,720 And I just think that like having that environment, it kept 522 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:46,000 me a very well grounded and, and yeah, have a good understanding 523 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,520 of this sport, I guess, and, and I guess elite performance. 524 00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:52,840 So. And my coach as well also has I 525 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:54,440 guess a lot of knowledge in that respect. 526 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,560 He's a physiologist. So yeah, I guess it was just a 527 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,520 pretty natural transition into that group. 528 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,120 And yeah. Your parents, renters or no? 529 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,280 No. Parents aren't honest. 530 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,640 No. Wow, yeah, so and then 531 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,160 background before running soccer. 532 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,840 Yeah, yeah, yeah. For how long? 533 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,360 For a while, actually maybe pretty much since I was like 534 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,800 maybe 5 or 6. And I probably played it off 535 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,920 until I was 15. And I think one of the big 536 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,920 advantages of playing, you know, other sports is that it probably 537 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:29,520 makes you a little bit more injury prone. 538 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,400 And I think that's less injury prone. 539 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,400 Sorry. You know, the changing of 540 00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,480 directions and stuff I think is probably, you're really good. 541 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,680 And also it's like kind of doing Sprint training. 542 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,920 It's like playing soccer is like constantly having to, you know, 543 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:46,720 chase off the balls and stuff. So I feel like that, you know, 544 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,280 soccer itself is like a really good feed into running. 545 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,400 So. Yeah, to all the youngins out 546 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,560 there, that's something that I highly recommend is, you know, 547 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,560 keeping 2 sports going for as long as possible. 548 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,200 What do you remember being the first like moment that all right 549 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,840 now you're starting to feel the the spotlight from fans in in 550 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,600 Australia? Because it's gotten to the point 551 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:11,400 now where if you chose to run the Mori plant meat or anything 552 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:15,320 domestically, people flock to to see you at this point. 553 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,320 Because down the road obviously, like people are looking at you 554 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,320 as potentially like a big star when the Olympics roll around in 555 00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:24,400 2032. But it's like, what do you 556 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,720 remember? I guess what was the first 557 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,320 moment where you're just like, oh wow, like a lot of people are 558 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:32,000 paying attention to me? I think when I ran probably 559 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,480 under 4 for the first time, when I ran 355, I think that was 560 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,320 probably the big moment because I guess a mile is such a 561 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,560 universal distance that everyone kind of has a grasp on how fast 562 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,280 that is. You know, often you run 1500s 563 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,320 and people aren't fully aware of like times and stuff. 564 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,080 So I think running the mile was probably the big one for me. 565 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,760 And yeah, I think ever since then I've been sort of treated 566 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,880 pretty nicely, which is, which is nice. 567 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,520 Yeah, I remember even seeing the photos like a couple of years 568 00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,440 ago. It was like Fred Curley coming 569 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,440 off of, I think a World championship gold medal in the 570 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,960 100 getting absolutely mobbed and then like, you probably had 571 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,160 like the next biggest crowd. And so what's that support been 572 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,200 been like, I guess, And I guess here in the United States, 573 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,720 right, someone as big as Grant Fisher, Cole Hawker can walk 574 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,360 down the street and no one would really recognize them for you in 575 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:23,840 Australia. Is it a little bit different? 576 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,360 No, it's pretty much the same thing, I think. 577 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,880 I think running's not like big enough of a sport to like fully 578 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,080 be, you know, recognized by everyday. 579 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,560 People but if you're gap gout I feel like he does get. 580 00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:39,800 He Oh yeah, for sure, for sure. Because I think he's like, he's 581 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,400 like Internet famous as well, you know? 582 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,720 Yeah, yeah, I think, yeah, people just have seen the videos 583 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,160 of him. So I think we're, where I'm 584 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:48,520 from, people are a little bit more aware because Canberra's 585 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,360 like it's not a big place. It's maybe population of 3 or 586 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,240 400,000. So I guess maybe in Canberra I'm 587 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,120 a little bit more well known, I'd say. 588 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,720 But yeah, nowhere near as as big as like a football player or 589 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,720 something like that. I guess like you and Galcot have 590 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,440 been on, you know, teams together and you guys share the 591 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:09,240 same agent is there I guess like what's what's your relationship 592 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,240 like with him? Because I mean, come 2032, you 593 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,440 guys are probably be the two biggest stars for Team 594 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,480 Australia. Yeah. 595 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,000 I mean, Galcot's a great guy. He actually came to tubing in 596 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,160 this year, which is where we based in Southern Germany. 597 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,640 So he's sort of like there as well, which is it's, it's 598 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,040 interesting to see like the different dynamics, like how 599 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,280 Sprint is trained versus how your middle distance or distance 600 00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:32,920 athletes train. So it's it's nice to have a 601 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,280 little bit more perspective. And I guess he's a very relaxed 602 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:38,120 guy. So it's nice to have someone so 603 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,160 relaxed around you all the time. But yeah, we get on great. 604 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,680 I guess there's always like that. 605 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,800 Oh, if the two of you raced at a distance and I'm sure you could 606 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,080 sell out a stadium in Australia, what would? 607 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,800 It's 600. I don't know man, he's he 608 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:57,600 probably can he could probably run like 4445 or 400. 609 00:30:57,600 --> 00:30:59,240 I think he's maybe going to race. 610 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:00,640 I don't know. I don't really know what his 611 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,520 plans are, but I mean, if he ran a 400, it wouldn't shock me if 612 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,880 he ran 44. So I think 600 might be still 613 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,320 get close, but yeah, I think maybe, I don't know, I'm not 614 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,120 sure like, yeah, how how much further he can go. 615 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,720 But yeah, I mean, I still think he'd go under 2 minutes for for 616 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,120 an 800. I feel like that would be more 617 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,120 interesting just to see if he could go under 2 minutes for an 618 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,880 800 because like how would he even pace it when you go 5070 619 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:24,920 something like that. I don't know, you know. 620 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,560 Yeah, that would be a lot of fun, especially if like they got 621 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,160 you to just be the pacer for it. And just like, all right, we're 622 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,440 just going to get galk out under 2. 623 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:38,960 Yeah, I've always I've, I kind of asked James to like to let 624 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,680 Gout run a lap of like my K reps or something just to like see 625 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:45,800 him run like a maybe a 66 second lap. 626 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,600 I feel like that would just be so awkward. 627 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,480 I would, I would love to see that. 628 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,720 Yeah, that long stride, I don't know what that looks like with 629 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,520 with with 60 meters, you know, for for 62nd pace. 630 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,200 All right. One of the other mottos I think 631 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:02,560 that I saw online that has been kind of attributed to you and 632 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,840 your approach to training is that you said, you've said 633 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,120 before, prioritize the weeks over the workouts. 634 00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,960 I guess where did that come? From yeah, I feel like the 635 00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:14,320 biggest thing that inhibits performance and and people sort 636 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:17,200 of improving year to year is just getting injured quite 637 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,760 obviously. So I just like had this approach 638 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:23,280 that I'd much rather, you know, if I have any pains or anything, 639 00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,240 I'd much rather take two or three days off and, you know, 640 00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,240 just get the weeks done and then over a long period of time 641 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,480 that's going to keep compounding. 642 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:35,640 So yeah, I'd say that pretty much my whole training is just 643 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,200 based off consistency. I feel like if if you went 644 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,240 through my Strava, because I do post pretty much everything so 645 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,360 people can see if you went through my Strava, there's 646 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,080 nothing I guess that screams that I would run as far as I do. 647 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,960 But I guess having the confidence of, you know, having 648 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,240 so much training behind you. I guess in the past when you've 649 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,040 been asked about your training, this may have been a couple of 650 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,720 years ago, Like I think people were stunned at just sort of 651 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,320 the, the fact that I guess you never really ran much more much 652 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,520 longer than was it like 10K on each runs. 653 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,680 That's that has to have changed at this point, right? 654 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,880 Yeah, I mean, back then I was probably only doing like maybe 655 00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,520 90 KA week. Now I'm doing close to 140 a 656 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,520 150. So I'd say that I I run like 20 657 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,840 K on a Sunday. Not really quick or anything, 658 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,240 but yeah, it's sort of changed and evolved. 659 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:29,680 But I guess every year I've been doing like maybe 1015% more in 660 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,560 terms of volume. So it's, yeah, it's been a very 661 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,360 gradual build up in terms of getting to where I am now. 662 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,680 And now I feel like I'm at a point where I don't think 663 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,080 training is going to get, you know, anymore in terms of 664 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,840 volume, maybe a little bit more in terms of intensity. 665 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,200 And just see how we can play around with the balance a little 666 00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,800 bit, but also maintaining that same approach of just of just 667 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,600 staying healthy really. Yeah, it sounds like you used to 668 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,400 subscribe to the Hobbs Kessler like no run longer than 6 or 7 669 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:02,280 miles method. A little bit, but I did probably 670 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,000 run like an hour on a Sunday or something. 671 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,160 So it wasn't, it wasn't quite as extreme as Hobbs, but I think 672 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,719 even Hobbs maybe runs further than further than that now. 673 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,840 So yeah, he's coming. Around yeah, I was going to ask 674 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:14,880 that, ask him that this weekend. I was like, all right, world 675 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,639 record. I mean, was this done off of 6 676 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:18,560 or 7 mile runs? And I I feel like the answer's 677 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,080 probably no. I think he's maybe tinkered with 678 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,679 things a little bit, but one other thing is just sort of like 679 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:27,840 the gear changes right before in these races, like you said, we 680 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,560 talked about, it was like hanging on and now it's all 681 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:34,320 right, feeling comfortable in the closing stages, but you 682 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:39,199 still need to shift gears. So when if you're in training, I 683 00:34:39,199 --> 00:34:43,040 guess what is that sort of look like and, and what are some of 684 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,159 the workouts and stuff that you do to be able to all right, 685 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,000 we're going to go from, you know, and make our move out with 686 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:50,800 400 meters to go. So what are you doing 687 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,440 differently in practice to develop that that that gear 688 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,840 shift? Yeah, I guess the, the biggest 689 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,120 thing is like we're having more emphasis I guess on a Monday 690 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,240 sort of speed day, I guess. Yeah, like a speed development 691 00:35:03,240 --> 00:35:06,280 thing. I don't know, like Justin 692 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:09,240 Rinaldi posted a lot of a lot of his stuff we're not doing 693 00:35:09,240 --> 00:35:12,840 exactly the same as that, but it's sort of that I guess idea 694 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,400 and that that principle. And so we're doing that probably 695 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,880 once a week. But yeah, more of a focus on 696 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:22,880 getting quality out and doing stuff like one 20s where it 697 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,360 might be 40 hard, 40 float, 40 hard and stuff like that. 698 00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,280 And I think that's pretty good to sort of recruit the muscle 699 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,640 fibers. But yeah, obviously you need to 700 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,040 be fit enough to have that ability to shift gears. 701 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,360 So I think that was like the first priority. 702 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,640 And now it's, I guess keeping that strength but also having 703 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,560 the speed as well. Yeah. 704 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,320 OK. So if we compare Cam from last 705 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,920 year to this year, you've obviously made improvements in 706 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,200 both your fitness and also like your race IQ. 707 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,960 Like which one's working harder right now and like which, which 708 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,320 one do you think you've seen the most improvement so far? 709 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:56,920 Is it your fitness or your racing IQ? 710 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,480 I definitely feel like I'm getting a lot stronger. 711 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:05,200 But I guess you say racing IQ, but I just say like confidence, 712 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,000 right? It's like having the ability to 713 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:11,520 be confident in yourself that you know, I feel like a couple 714 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:15,080 times last year like Celestia's played the big one that sticks 715 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:17,200 out. It's like I think I was leading 716 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,320 the second pack maybe 300 meters to go right. 717 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,600 And Ollie's probably like 15 meters, 10 meters in front of 718 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,800 us. And you know, us as a park, 719 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,600 we're closing on Ollie. And for some reason I go 720 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,960 straight and, you know, sit right behind him. 721 00:36:31,240 --> 00:36:33,560 And then Navi comes up on my shoulder and I think he just 722 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,080 goes straight past him. And I feel like having that 723 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,160 confidence to just like trust yourself and go, you know, I 724 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,320 don't need to sit behind this guy. 725 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,960 I just need to go straight past him is probably that thing that 726 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:46,880 I was lacking. And so this year, I guess 727 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,520 similar situation with blanks, I sort of reel blanks back in and 728 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,600 then it's like, OK, you're not going to sit on him, you're 729 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,400 going to go straight past him if you have another gear. 730 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,640 So I think it's, it comes down to confidence more than anything 731 00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,920 is just having confidence in yourself and confidence in your 732 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:02,480 shape. And then it's also like, you 733 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,960 know, you'd rather, you'd rather, I guess, know where the 734 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,680 limit is than, you know, never find it. 735 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,000 So yeah. So where's your confidence at 736 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,000 for this weekend when you've got with Hobbs and just, you know, 737 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,400 overall? I mean, it looks like it's most 738 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,640 of the field from last year's back and everyone seems to be 739 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,240 pretty fit. Yeah, exactly, I think. 740 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,160 It's going to, it's going to be a good match up and I think 741 00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:27,440 Hobbs is going to be confident yards obviously always going to 742 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,040 be confident. Myself, I'm confident. 743 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,480 So I think it's it's going to be a great race. 744 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,760 And yeah, I don't know how that's going to, you know, sort 745 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,000 of play out. I have a little bit of an idea 746 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,240 of how I want to run. But yeah, it obviously can 747 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:41,640 change within the 1st 100 meters. 748 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,680 So you never really know. World record has to be on the 749 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,320 table at this. Point right when you guys were 750 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,520 so close I mean you guys broke it last year, but like if if 751 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,920 part of me is like are people hesitant to just say that no, 752 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,440 we're going after the world record because now it belongs to 753 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,720 to Yaakov, but it just feels like as a consequence of lining 754 00:37:57,720 --> 00:38:01,440 up all these people who are really fit, it just might fall 755 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,280 as a result of a really good race that's definitely possible 756 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,280 I. Think sometimes the problem when 757 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,160 you get into these races that have so many fast guys is that 758 00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,200 like everyone wants the same position. 759 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:19,480 So you can have a little bit I guess of collisions or just just 760 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:22,680 a bit of like push and shove once you're trying to get into 761 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,840 these positions. But also the other thing is like 762 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,560 you have the rabbit and you have the person that's talks behind 763 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,280 the rabbit, It's like they've got to be committed to pushing 764 00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,520 that sort of like from 600 out whenever that rabbit drops out, 765 00:38:33,720 --> 00:38:36,200 drops out. So having someone that's 766 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,360 committed to like pushing the pace after the rabbit goes is is 767 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,960 probably going to be crucial. You know, I don't know where 768 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,240 everyone else is heads up. But like, yeah, usually it's 769 00:38:45,240 --> 00:38:46,960 been yard. But you know, I don't know where 770 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,520 he's at with him himself. You know, I don't I don't mind 771 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,640 being in that position. But you know, it's it's 772 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,120 obviously being able to get to that position feel good enough 773 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:58,680 so that you think you can you can really attack that last 600. 774 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,920 All right, so 2026 no. Traditional world championship, 775 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,920 no Olympics on the calendar. We got World Ultimate 776 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,640 Championships. But like it does OfferUp an 777 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:12,080 opportunity to kind of chase after times or test your hand 778 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,000 at, you know, a different event like what are you most excited 779 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,080 about for for this year? Yeah, so we have COM games which 780 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,320 I. Guess is not quite as big like 781 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,680 athletes from like New Zealand. And GB and I guess I'm just so 782 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,640 I'm so American that I always forget like how people have com 783 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,840 games and and and European champs this summer. 784 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:30,760 Yeah. So it's not quite as. 785 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,880 Big, I would say as maybe Europeans or something, but the 786 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,520 hard thing is like Europeans, I may think maybe it's a week or 787 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,480 two after con games. So I think some people will be 788 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,040 split between the two. But yeah, I guess as you 789 00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:47,640 mentioned, I people are going to be chasing times this year and 790 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,080 that definitely excites me. I think I'm in a better position 791 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,080 to run quicker than I did last year and hopefully I guess that 792 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,720 comes into to running a national record in 1500. 793 00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:00,840 That's definitely a big goal of mine and even to get quicker in 794 00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,880 the mile so that, you know, myself and all the aren't joint 795 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:08,520 holders, record holders anymore. As nice as that is, it'd be nice 796 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,320 to have it myself as well. So yeah, running fast times is 797 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,640 definitely on the cards. But also, as you said, trying 798 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,040 out different events, you know, I think trying to run a 799 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:23,520 different, a better 800. Hey, you're 147 guy right now, 800 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,240 Yeah. I know it doesn't look so good 801 00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:28,920 on paper. I must have to to get that one 802 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:33,440 down and also just like maybe trying my hand at a 3K or 5K 803 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:38,400 over over in Europe, just I guess expanding and just seeing, 804 00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,760 you know, where the limit is in, in different events. 805 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,080 And I think that's ultimately going to help me develop as an 806 00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:45,560 athlete. You ran your 5K last. 807 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:50,240 Year at 1332 but now we see what you just did well you just saw 808 00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:53,240 what you did over 3K and it's sort of like just keep it going 809 00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:56,720 and like it had it had to be you in a couple weeks and and then 810 00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:02,000 just bounce on that track to like a 1257 at least yeah I I 811 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,040 call the. BU5K bit of like a soft launch 812 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,080 maybe like if you're gonna if you're gonna go into the 5K 813 00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,320 career, I think you're going to be you. 814 00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,680 And soft launching is a nice is a nice way to do it because I do 815 00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:17,520 think that track is it's generous, you know, with the 816 00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,680 times that we see there. And and also like I did a 817 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,760 session there maybe a couple days ago and I was like, wow, 818 00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:25,240 this feels so nice. So, yeah, All right, so we're 819 00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:27,440 also chatting with you because. There's this special 820 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,680 announcement that you have signed on to be a Corus athlete, 821 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,480 so I'm picking your brain here, I guess. 822 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:38,120 What is it that you look forward to I guess or what do you look 823 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,520 into, I guess when it comes to the data that the Koros pace 824 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,240 provides or like what's your go to metric that you're observing 825 00:41:45,240 --> 00:41:47,720 when it comes to workouts and then afterwards just like 826 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,640 assessing, you know what a quality session? 827 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:52,720 Yeah, I'm a bit of a data. Nerd. 828 00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,600 Probably not as much of daughter nerd as other people, but you 829 00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,840 know, I like to think of myself as a little bit of a nerd when 830 00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,520 that stuff. So yeah, I have a probably a 831 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,240 unique, I guess profile in terms of like threshold and stuff 832 00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:08,720 where my lactate forgiven heart rate will be really low, I guess 833 00:42:08,720 --> 00:42:10,280 so. But my heart rate is pretty 834 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,320 high. So you know, I threshold at like 835 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:17,400 19192, which is quite high. Yeah, it's quite high. 836 00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:20,440 But for me that's, I guess relatively normal. 837 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,960 So just understanding, you know, the data and the Physiology 838 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,800 behind me as an athlete, I guess is something that's super 839 00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,440 exciting. So, you know, having that 840 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,720 ability to look over the data and review it's, you know, it's 841 00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:35,320 really important to me. So yeah, having chorus jump on 842 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,840 boards, it's really exciting. Yeah, I I feel like sometimes 843 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,240 when the. Stats get thrown out. 844 00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:42,680 It's less so about like, oh, here's what your heart rate was 845 00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,720 at, you know, at the finish line or at certain points in a race 846 00:42:45,720 --> 00:42:48,680 or at the the start line. It's more of just sort of like 847 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,000 a, a sustained sort of like range. 848 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,520 Like is there a sweet spot for you that you're like, okay, this 849 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,920 is where I know I'm working hard. 850 00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,360 Yeah, I'd say like it also. Depends. 851 00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,520 Like I feel like on a treadmill I get 5 to 10 beats lower for a 852 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,520 given I guess effort. So I'm sort of like matching 853 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,120 everything based off like my previous history and I have like 854 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,720 spreadsheets and stuff going back and looking at, you know, 855 00:43:13,720 --> 00:43:15,560 my heart rate and lactates in given sessions. 856 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,800 So yeah, it's nice to have sort of the data and be able to 857 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,760 compare it. And then also I guess have the 858 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,680 chorus data available, which can track my, I guess, my threshold 859 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,480 over time, my threshold heart rate, my heart rate when I'm 860 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,560 jogging, that sort of stuff, which also comes under like sort 861 00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,520 of the base fitness element that they use, which is a good metric 862 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,840 for me. I find that sort of tracking my 863 00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,440 base fitness as I see that come up, I, I know that the ceiling's 864 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,840 being raised, I guess in terms of my aerobic ability. 865 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,880 So then I come into like more of a sharpening aspect when I get 866 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,560 closer to races and I, I just know that the ceiling's higher 867 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,760 to run faster. Sounds like a like a true. 868 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,960 Data junkie, but I'm excited to see how this all comes together 869 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,280 this weekend Milrose games and then after that, I guess you 870 00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,640 still you're weighing like you're your emotional decision 871 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,240 of like do I go home and raise more plant or do I keep this 872 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:10,560 going for world indoors? Do you have a sort of way you're 873 00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,520 leaning right now or no? I would say I'm leaning. 874 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,160 Heavily towards the Australian more plant. 875 00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,440 I think it's just such a big event for us in Australia and I 876 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,960 guess it's hard for people who aren't Australian to sort of 877 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:24,360 understand that. But I think, yeah, it's 878 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,520 definitely a big one for me. And I think the travel to to and 879 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,040 from Poland is is quite difficult because Poland, I 880 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,360 think this the the spot it is in Poland is not like the easiest 881 00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,720 place to get to. I think it's maybe a three or 882 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,320 three hour car ride for me to Krakow, Warsaw. 883 00:44:40,720 --> 00:44:43,320 So it's probably not the easiest one to do. 884 00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,400 And I think Mario plants only 5 or 6 days after. 885 00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,760 So at the moment, that's what I'm thinking. 886 00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,520 But you know, that could that could change. 887 00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,520 Awesome Cam. Well, looking forward to seeing. 888 00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,680 You in New York this weekend, and it's going to be a good one. 889 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:57,080 Yeah. Thank you very much for having 890 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,240 me. 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