1 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:09,160 It is November 4th. I'm Chris Chavez. 2 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:14,240 I'm Preet Majethia. And on today's show History in 3 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:18,720 Central Park, for the first time in 56 years, the men's New York 4 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,200 City Marathon came down to a photo finish. 5 00:00:22,240 --> 00:00:27,280 Kenya's Benson Kipruto edging out his compatriot Alexander 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:35,400 Mutiso by three hundredths of a second 0.03, both crossing in 7 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,640 two hours 8 minutes and 9 seconds, is the closest finish 8 00:00:39,160 --> 00:00:43,360 in race history and somehow the exact same margin as the men's 9 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,080 marathon at the World Championships in Tokyo. 10 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:52,240 Kipruto's Kipruto's victory sealed his sweep of the American 11 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:57,000 majors, Boston, Chicago and now New York, putting him in truly 12 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:00,000 elite company. No one else has done that. 13 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:06,840 Behind him, Albert Career took third, Britain's Pat Deaver was 14 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:13,440 a sensational 4th in his debut and Americans Joel Rico, Charles 15 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,000 Hicks and Joe Clucker all cracked the top 10 on a day that 16 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:21,920 delivered everything that this race promises, drama, heartbreak 17 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,400 and a perfect photo finish effort at the finish line. 18 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,040 In the women's race, Helen O'berry shattered the New York 19 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:37,160 City course record, dipping under 220 to win in two hours, 20 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,440 19 minutes and 51 seconds, with Sharon Lochetti and Sheila Chef 21 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,360 Curry right behind. In one of the fastest races ever 22 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,800 run here, Fiona O'Keefe broke the American course record in 23 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,760 two hours, 22 minutes and 49 seconds. 24 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:54,880 Annie Frisbee ran another strong race and Stefan Asan pushed the 25 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:59,680 pace up, up, up First Ave. to try and regain the leader. 26 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:02,760 She had a wacky race, really the person who made this one what it 27 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:05,800 was. So we'll talk more about her. 28 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,560 And then of course, Elliot Kipchoge, the greatest of all 29 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,000 time, announced his next act, A world tour, 7 marathon, 7 30 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:19,040 continents, 2 years. This is a transition, I guess is 31 00:02:19,040 --> 00:02:21,160 what they're billing this as, and not necessarily a 32 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:24,360 retirement. So we'll touch on all of those 33 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:28,840 topics, but before we get into that pre, I think you said 34 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:31,520 before we started recording, there's been quite a bit of news 35 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:35,720 that we have to catch up on. And the first one I kind of want 36 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,880 to touch on is the most recent news that has taken place in the 37 00:02:39,880 --> 00:02:42,920 track and field world. This is this week in track and 38 00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:46,280 field. And so we got a little bit of 39 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,960 track and field news by World Athletics announcing the 12 40 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,400 Athlete of the year finalists. They obviously have, you know, 6 41 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:59,000 different groups. And so here are the finalists 42 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,920 for athlete of the year for women's track. 43 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,480 Fem Kebol and Sidney McLaughlin Livrone. 44 00:03:05,960 --> 00:03:08,960 Now hold your thoughts. Men's track. 45 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,080 Noah Lyles, Emmanuel Wagoni. Women's field. 46 00:03:13,640 --> 00:03:18,120 Tara Davis Woodall Nikola Oleslagers men's field. 47 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:22,640 Mondo Duplantis. Mattia Furlani, women's out of 48 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:24,480 stadium. I don't know why they don't just 49 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:31,920 call this thing Rhodes Paris of Cheer, Cheer and Maria Perez, 50 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:38,360 men's out of stadium. Rhodes, Sebastian Sawy and 51 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:42,640 Alphonse Simbu. Now when I saw. 52 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,240 That I was like. Am I reading this wrong? 53 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:51,600 Because the two biggest omissions are in that first 54 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,200 group, the women's track finalists. 55 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,240 Those names are not Beatrice Chibet or Melissa Jefferson 56 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,520 Wooden. I can I can see a very strong 57 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,360 case for Sydney McLaughlin Lovroni. 58 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:09,560 She's she's great, but femka bowl over Beatrice Chibet and 59 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,960 Melissa Jefferson Wooden. So I made the executive decision 60 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:18,000 and we put up two snubbed graphics on the Sidious mag 61 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,160 Instagram. I think it's a it's a tragedy. 62 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,160 I don't know what else Melissa Jefferson would and could have 63 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:28,760 done aside from smashing the 100m or 200 meter world record 64 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:31,880 to really make this a better year than than she had. 65 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:38,040 Similarly, I know when we were first discussing these nominees, 66 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:43,880 you were more in favor of Beatrice Chibet getting this the 67 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,200 title for this one. And now neither of us is going 68 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,240 to end up being right on this. I I think I had Sydney as a 69 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,960 little bit of a like my third option or my out, but I'm more 70 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,720 upset at the fact that Melissa Jefferson wouldn't didn't even 71 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:02,160 get finalist status. Yeah, I mean it was absolutely 72 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,880 crazy and and I think you have to realise how this vote is 73 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:07,680 made-up. So there was a fan vote on 74 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:12,840 social media which was apparently going to make up 25%. 75 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:16,760 I believe of the votes that went towards deciding who the 76 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:22,880 finalists were going to be, the other 75% was going to be by 77 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,280 between the World Athletics Council, who are essentially the 78 00:05:26,280 --> 00:05:28,920 representatives of the member federation. 79 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:33,400 So one per country basically, plus a few of the the bigwigs at 80 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,240 World Athletics, I imagine. And then there's World Athletics 81 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,200 family, which is a bit more of a nebulous term, but I believe we 82 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:44,280 understand that to be essentially former athletes, top 83 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:48,160 athletes from the sport and coaches and, and, and people in 84 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,360 the sport in in that respect. So these are people who should, 85 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:56,640 as far as we, we would think, we'd kind of know what they're 86 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,160 talking about. We'd, we'd kind of understand 87 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:02,880 who, who the best athletes are at any given moment in time. 88 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,120 And it's interesting because we, we sort of did a bit of it. 89 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,120 And I, I started doing a bit of a deep dive on the social media 90 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:16,160 fan votes and I found the Instagram and X votes. 91 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,520 And then there's another guy on Twitter who, who, who kind of 92 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:25,200 did a whole excel table. Credit to ATGATJ under score 93 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,040 main. You also got the Facebook 94 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:31,400 numbers. But overall in this category, 95 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:35,480 Faith Kipye gone across the three platforms got 48,000 96 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,200 votes. Beatrice Chabek got 31,000 Fem 97 00:06:39,200 --> 00:06:45,040 Kabal got 23,000, Sydney 21,000 and Melissa, poor old Melissa 98 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:50,400 got 12,000, 200 ish. So she, she was actually last in 99 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:52,640 the fan votes, which I was, I was very surprised by, to be 100 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,400 honest. But there was a huge, I think 101 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,840 there's a huge African presence on social media, which which 102 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:02,200 definitely boosted Faith and Beatrice. 103 00:07:02,840 --> 00:07:07,680 But yeah, I mean, even then they won the fan vote. 104 00:07:07,840 --> 00:07:12,240 So it's clearly the other people who voted who didn't put Faith 105 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,800 and Beatrice in that, in that top 2. 106 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,080 It's it's very puzzling. I know. 107 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,160 I guess that's still just only 25% of of the vote, but I do 108 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:32,040 think that now, like, I don't know, I feel like again, at the 109 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,680 end of the day, no one really remembers the World Athletics 110 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,400 like athlete of the year. It's not like it's it's a nice 111 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:44,080 to have title doesn't necessarily carry as much weight 112 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:49,440 as like the MVP of, you know, in all of these major sports, at 113 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,160 least here in the States. Like, we could probably quiz 114 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:58,360 each other and like Breed, who was the 2016 World Athletics 115 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,080 Athlete of the Year. I'm going to take a wild guess 116 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,960 and say it was you say Bolt. All right, 2007. 117 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,440 I don't I don't know, like see, that's the thing. 118 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,320 It's like even us as like die hard, like fans of this sport 119 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,480 don't necessarily. So it's one thing to just be up 120 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,080 in arms about this. But if this award does mean 121 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,960 anything, like for them to get this so wrong totally 122 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:25,040 diminishes, I think, some of the value and prestige around it. 123 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:27,920 This is way off. Yeah. 124 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:32,000 And I think the final, the final kind of split between the top 2 125 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,679 is, is completely a fan vote from what I understand. 126 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:36,280 I think that's just purely a fan vote. 127 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:41,679 But yeah, I, I, I don't know. With baseball, when people vote 128 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:44,039 for the Hall of Fame, they have to make their, their, their 129 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:47,480 ballots public. Or at least like eventually it 130 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,760 gets out there online as to like who voted for who. 131 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,280 Actually, it's not public because someone kept, I believe 132 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,840 Derek Jeter from being unanimous as an induction. 133 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:01,480 I think one guy did and I don't think that person has ever come 134 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,280 forward. But I, I kind of want the 135 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,920 ballots to be made public. If you are in the World 136 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,080 Athletics family and you account for so much of this, like let us 137 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:15,280 know. It's not I, I, I, I guess I 138 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:16,600 don't know how much of it is media. 139 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:19,880 I have, I wasn't asked to vote or anything like that. 140 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:24,880 I know with the USATF awards, if I bet I I voted on that, the 141 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:29,000 Bowerman, I voted on that. So as a long standing member of 142 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,800 the track and field media, I voted on other, you know, 143 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,360 awards, but not the World Athletics 1. 144 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:41,280 So I haven't. Yeah, to me, it makes me think 145 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:45,080 like how Eurocentric that World Athletics family group could, 146 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:49,080 because that's the only way I could kind of explain Fem Kabul 147 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:55,520 being, you know, selected over both Beatrice Chabad, Faith 148 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:57,800 Kippy Aegon and Melissa Jefferson wouldn't. 149 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,880 Like, with all due respect, Femkipol had a a strong year, 150 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:06,520 like, you know, undefeated in the Diamond League, and one 151 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,560 defended her gold medal, but didn't break a world record, 152 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:15,680 didn't win a relay gold medal even. 153 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:21,680 So yeah, I mean, she would be the last of that bunch, I think. 154 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:23,680 Yeah, exactly. I mean, I love Femka Ball. 155 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:26,520 I love watching her and. If we had rank choice voting, I 156 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:29,520 would put I would put Femka as my last, last vote. 157 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:31,880 But but that but that is the thing out of the achievements of 158 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,680 all of those athletes this year, given the crazy sort of world 159 00:10:36,680 --> 00:10:40,200 records or near world records in the case of Sydney that they 160 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,400 will run then and and and and Melissa as well. 161 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,520 Like, you know, she's run crazy for like 10-6 in the 100 meters 162 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:51,120 is not a common time, right? It really just isn't. 163 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:55,480 And you know, running 1061 championship record at the world 164 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,600 champs is is really, really impressive as well. 165 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,760 And doing the double is, is really good. 166 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:02,680 And in fact, with with the relay gold as well. 167 00:11:02,680 --> 00:11:08,160 So, yeah, there's just, it just feels like it, it doesn't, yeah. 168 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:12,600 It doesn't quite reflect, you know, the sport as a oh, and 169 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,320 it's like, you know, like the Oscars, right? 170 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,560 The Oscars, there is the Academy that votes for the Oscars, 171 00:11:17,640 --> 00:11:19,600 right? And it's like, that is a bunch 172 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,000 of actors who are chosen. And it's not every single actor. 173 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,360 And it's like, you know, you sometimes get some very odd 174 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:29,880 results in your act in in the Oscars because of that sort of 175 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,040 inside baseball, inside politics. 176 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:35,720 And I think maybe there's a little bit of that here, 177 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,680 unfortunately. Melissa Jefferson Wooden won the 178 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:41,480 100, won the 200 and the four by one. 179 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:43,440 Went undefeated in the 100 all year. 180 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:49,200 Posted the five fastest times in the world. 1061 Not enough 181 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,560 crazy. I mean, if she'd come third, 182 00:11:52,560 --> 00:11:56,320 maybe to Faith and Beatrice or something, I, I could maybe 183 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,920 understand, but I, I just, yeah, it's, it's. 184 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:06,040 Still, I'm ready to blow like $2000 or more on Russian bots 185 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,160 next year to just sway the social media vote in favor of 186 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,440 someone like Melissa Jefferson would. 187 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,400 And like I just did. Like really, that's what it like 188 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:17,840 what? What hurt her? 189 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,240 So I'm thinking back to 2023 when there was this massive 190 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,560 outrage for two reasons. One, because Sufan Hassan was 191 00:12:25,560 --> 00:12:29,800 completely overlooked. And two, because Noah Lyles got 192 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:33,720 massively upset at the way they kind of changed the categories 193 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:36,680 and split the award and did all of that without telling anybody 194 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,200 at the last minute. And then not actually announcing 195 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:43,400 an athlete of the year and just announcing an athlete in each 196 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:48,240 category. And so they've tried to be over 197 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,240 the last couple of years, they've tried to make it more 198 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:55,400 transparent to have a fan fan vote, to have, you know, also to 199 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,560 say that to tell us their process for deciding who gets 200 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:01,720 these awards. But I think this year it appears 201 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,680 to have backfired yet again. And yeah. 202 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,760 Well, this is the second consecutive year that that 203 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:10,880 Beatrice Tribet, I think, has gotten snubbed, right? 204 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,840 Absolutely, yeah, because last year her her achievements were 205 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,480 equally impressive in terms of getting a world record and a 206 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:23,000 double gold and doing everything she possibly could to to to be 207 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:27,760 really impressive. Yeah, I'm, I'm almost like go 208 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:30,200 back to the old way. Just give one award if you're 209 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:33,360 going to fumble it this much over a variety of different 210 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:35,040 categories. Like we're not the only ones 211 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:36,560 upset. Like we're really focused on the 212 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:39,640 women's track category and the other ones, like the men's one 213 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:44,520 really didn't have one super standout person where it was, 214 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:49,040 you know, they just when Yoni versus Lyles, OK, that's fine. 215 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:54,160 Both Gold medalist, great field fine. 216 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,280 Out of stadium fine. Actually, no field is not fine. 217 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,520 It feels like the throwers are pretty pissed off because. 218 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,480 Was not happy. It's like you have Val Allman 219 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:11,480 who put together an an amazing year, or you could have gone 220 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,800 Cameron Rodgers or Ethan Katzenberg, like both. 221 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:18,880 Both of them also had, like, really amazing years. 222 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:25,520 So yeah, I mean, you were pretty dead set on the thinking that 223 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:29,960 Anna Hall would win. I mean, I, I, I, I think it was 224 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:33,560 tougher in the field events, but Anna Hall's like, I, I think 225 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,640 it's also the combination of it being the heptathlon plus, you 226 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,520 know, going second best in history. 227 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,880 And, and the way she did it was, was really amazing. 228 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:48,240 But I I can see that and you know, and yeah, over Nicola 229 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,560 Oleslager's who, you know, jumped very well this year and 230 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:54,600 Tara Davis Woodall, who jumped very well this year. 231 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:57,520 But they didn't go anywhere close to 2nd on the all time 232 00:14:57,520 --> 00:15:01,320 list. And you know, they had many more 233 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,680 attempts to compete and do that than and hold it so. 234 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,720 Right. If you're looking at the full 235 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,880 body of work, like the number of times they compete probably 236 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:11,720 shouldn't even be a major factor. 237 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,000 Because then you look at Sydney, it's like, oh, how many times 238 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,040 did she end up running the four, the 400, which is probably what 239 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,080 is strengthening her case there. And it's like with Anna Hall, if 240 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:24,960 you only took the heptathlon, like she didn't miss at all. 241 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:29,520 Gotzi's, USA's and and world's perfect. 3 for three with the 242 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:32,240 second best mark of all time. So that's another miss on their 243 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:33,800 part. I think so. 244 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:36,720 Yeah. Well, all right. 245 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:38,960 It sounds like we've got our panties in a bunch over an award 246 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,400 that we said really doesn't matter a whole lot. 247 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,600 So we'll see how it congratulations to anyone who 248 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,320 wins. Like it just kind of has a 249 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,560 little bit of like I think that someone else should win this 250 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,560 award personally. So I'm not really going to, you 251 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,040 know, buy pay it much mind it when it does get announced, I 252 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,880 guess November 30th at the World Athletics Awards. 253 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,360 I'm really upset. That's why I'm upset for I, 254 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,240 I'll, I'll say Melissa Jefferson wouldn't. 255 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:08,720 And you're probably very upset for Beatrice. 256 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,600 You bet, because they probably could have won the whole overall 257 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:15,880 title as well. Anyway, what else you got from 258 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:17,320 you, Preet? There's a couple other stories 259 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,480 you said that we should talk about before we get to New York 260 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:23,200 City. Yes, so, so maybe let's let's do 261 00:16:23,560 --> 00:16:28,800 a slightly so a couple of doping updates. 262 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:34,640 Great. So the first thing is WADA, WADA 263 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:39,480 released a press, press release a few days ago saying that the 264 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:45,120 Anti doping Agency of Kenya, they were audited back in May 265 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:50,720 2024. And they as a result of that 266 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,840 audit, they were told, you know, you've got a lot of problems, 267 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,080 you need to sort it out. And actually, I think after 268 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,600 that, we saw a bit of funding coming from the Kenyan 269 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:03,680 government earlier this year, but it was still at the point of 270 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:07,359 the last World Athletics meeting on 11th of September in in Tokyo 271 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:13,359 or the wider Exco meeting. They were alleged to be still 272 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,880 non compliant with the doping requirements because they hadn't 273 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:20,800 made enough progress to address those issues. 274 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:27,440 They then took a month or so, they had 21 days to either 275 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,960 accept or deny that allegation of non compliance or challenge 276 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,920 it before the Court of Arbitration Sport. 277 00:17:33,360 --> 00:17:36,360 But they developed a corrective action plan that they've got an 278 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:44,040 action within four months. And as a result of all of that 279 00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:50,040 process, they have now got four months to execute that action 280 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,560 plan. But they are on what is called 281 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,440 the watch list, the WADA watch list. 282 00:17:56,000 --> 00:18:01,120 And what that means is that if by 2nd of March 2026 they 283 00:18:01,120 --> 00:18:05,840 haven't fixed all these problems that they need to fix and it 284 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,360 won't require any further kind of WADA meetings or anything. 285 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:13,240 And if they're deemed to be non compliant at that point, there 286 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,760 are only three other bodies that are non compliant, the National 287 00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:22,600 Anti doping Organization of Russia, Sri Lanka and the 288 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:25,280 International Fitness and Bodybuilding Federation. 289 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,320 So it doesn't feel like a group you want to be a part of. 290 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:34,360 And, and look, we, we talked a lot about the Kenyan doping 291 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:39,520 issues and we've kind of said, look, it isn't necessarily state 292 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,000 sponsored. But clearly there was a point 293 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,480 last year, I think where the Kenyan government removed some 294 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,000 of the funding from the Anti Doping Agency of Kenya. 295 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,040 And that might have led to some problems. 296 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:54,560 And obviously, if they are not funded sufficiently to do the 297 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:58,560 testing that needs to be done or the various other issues around 298 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,840 governance and making sure there isn't corruption and things like 299 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:05,720 that, then, you know, there is a lot of things that they would 300 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,040 need to fix. And, and that's quite difficult 301 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:09,920 to do without, without the right funding in place. 302 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,400 And that then puts in jeopardy the position of all the Kenyan 303 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,880 athletes who want to compete on the international stage. 304 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:22,000 The Sidious Smack podcast is presented by Gnomeo Performance 305 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,240 from the inside out. 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Gnomeo, prepare to outperform. 355 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:14,800 Yeah, I remember posting about this, you know, maybe a week or 356 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,200 two ago. So not entirely sure what the 357 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,200 new super new development is there, aside from the fact that 358 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,120 like Kenya just got an extra lifeline for a couple more 359 00:22:25,120 --> 00:22:27,520 months to try and clean up its act. 360 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:33,120 The fact that they said that they showed progress, like, I, I 361 00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:36,440 don't know, I still feel like I'm seeing a lot of AIU 362 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:41,080 notifications of Kenyan athletes testing positive or being 363 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,760 sanctioned. And yeah, I mean, this would be 364 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:52,840 the closest thing to a super like a nationwide ban on Kenya 365 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:57,440 if March comes along and they decide like, no, these, you 366 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,480 know, Kenya's been banned from. I, I, I just find it really 367 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,320 difficult to try and make the case for that when it does 368 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:10,680 really seem like it's everyone free will essentially going out 369 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:14,520 and procuring these performance enhancing drugs which are 370 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,800 readily available, like the AI us fighting a great fight right 371 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,040 now. And I like what they've been 372 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,600 doing with just sort of like the intelligence driven side of 373 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:30,360 coming down on these dopers, but it's just really hard, I think 374 00:23:30,360 --> 00:23:37,000 to prove that it's the country from the top also being aware 375 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,800 and there's a cover up or anything like that. 376 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:43,800 So you just got to hold tight, I guess at this point and see what 377 00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:47,520 what what else they can do to improve the situation or or that 378 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,840 WADA deems has been an improvement. 379 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,040 And I'm, I'm curious as to what it could be. 380 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,480 But all right, next, next opening story. 381 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,800 Yes. So the other one was the last 382 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,800 AAU notification we all received, which was to do with a 383 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:02,000 guy by the name of S Fond Chariot. 384 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,800 If you go on his World Athletics profile, he has run 1/2 marathon 385 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:12,400 and one in 2024 and 1 marathon in 2025 which is the Buenos 386 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,720 Aires Marathon in September. Couple weeks ago. 387 00:24:16,120 --> 00:24:20,760 Yes, and he was tested about marathon and then in late 388 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:24,040 October, 23rd of October, he was notified that he had tested 389 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:32,480 positive for a doping substance called trimetazidine or TMZ. 390 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,280 But what is most interesting about him is that he actually 391 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:42,320 trains with Claudia Baradelli on as his coach alongside Benson 392 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,800 Caputo, who just won the New York City Marathon, and 393 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,280 Sebastian Saway, who just won the Berlin and London Marathons 394 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,640 this year. So that's what makes him 395 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:57,000 interesting, even though his personal profile isn't that that 396 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,120 big. And the next bit of that is he 397 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:05,200 admitted it straight away. And so literally the same day as 398 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,000 what the decision says, he admitted it and therefore his 399 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,880 ban, which would have been four years, was reduced to three 400 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:16,560 years. The other part of this is so TMZ 401 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,600 for those of you that may think, oh, that sounds familiar. 402 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,240 It is the same drug that tennis world number one at the time, 403 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,520 tennis player Igus Riantek, was found to have taken but then was 404 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:28,800 found to. It was inadvertent and was only 405 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,640 given like a one month ban. Camila Valieva, who was the 406 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,720 favorite going into the figure skating at the Winter Olympics 407 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,720 four years ago and was only 15 years old. 408 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:42,280 And she said it was her grandfather's heart medication. 409 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:50,240 And then the 23 Chinese swimmers that USADA is very upset that 410 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:55,320 WADA decided not to tell anyone that they had tested positive or 411 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:56,920 that they had decided that they didn't. 412 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:01,320 They shouldn't be banned. So it's got a very interesting 413 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,280 history in that some people like have the book thrown at them 414 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,200 with this drug and some people are given a bit of a hall pass, 415 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:11,280 but it's it's one of these heart drugs that that helps improve 416 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,760 your heart. He the other part of this was 417 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,640 then let's runs. Jonathan Gault asked Benson 418 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,560 Caputo in the pre race interview about this doping positive. 419 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:26,080 And actually, in contrast to what we saw when Jacob Kaplimo 420 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:31,080 was asked about doping, he actually gave quite a fulsome 421 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:35,840 answer. And he said that obviously it's 422 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,320 really bad for the image of the group. 423 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,000 And I think he was by implication saying the image of 424 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,240 the country as well. But but particularly, you know, 425 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,440 it's bad for the image of the group. 426 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,680 He said they'd had meetings about it in the group. 427 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,360 He'd immediately admitted that he'd gone and got some heart 428 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:55,040 medication from outside the the camp. 429 00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:58,000 So he hadn't gone through the the official channels that they 430 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,760 should use. And you know that they'd had 431 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:03,520 meetings about it with it within their group. 432 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,000 So I think there's probably a couple of things to take away 433 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,920 from that one. You know, obviously he admitted 434 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,280 straight away. So I'm guessing Adidas and their 435 00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,480 lawyers and whoever was involved kind of got straight in there 436 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:21,240 and and did some damage control. But also, maybe, you know, it 437 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:23,440 wasn't clear whether it's inadvertent or whether he 438 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,680 deliberately gone out to dope. I don't think we've necessarily 439 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,360 got an answer on that. But I suppose the good thing 440 00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:32,600 there is that we know that group, you know, Sebastian 441 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:37,520 Sawway did that massive testing regime before Berlin, 25 tests 442 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,480 in the space of two months. It feels like they're a group 443 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,320 that actually is thinking about this and working on this and at 444 00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,520 least we're getting some information about what they're 445 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,960 doing about it, right? Whilst I think with a lot of the 446 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,720 other groups or a lot of the other marathoners, we don't 447 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,160 really get that much information. 448 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,240 So I think that's at least a little bit of a positive and an 449 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:00,480 interesting kind of point to note, yeah. 450 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,160 But yeah. The only thing is that I guess 451 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,680 we get this information after someone gets caught, right? 452 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:13,800 Like it's not the I liked Sebastian Saway's public, I 453 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:20,000 guess the showcase. I guess they they were the press 454 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,640 release and everything that was put out in advance of the Berlin 455 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,440 Marathon because it showed that, like, all right, he's 456 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,040 anticipating a pretty big performance and he doesn't want 457 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:34,680 any questions left out there. Even the weekend of like, you 458 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,120 know, it kind of helps alleviate some of these questions that you 459 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,440 could face when you have a surreal performance happen. 460 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:48,040 And so, you know, I guess I do give him kudos for some 461 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:54,000 transparency in the process. And yeah, I mean, it's, it's 462 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:58,720 again, like, I think back to the point that it does feel like in 463 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:04,920 Kenya, if you want to, you know, eat that forbidden fruit, it 464 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,200 just is a bit more accessible to you and you can just go out and 465 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,640 do it yourself. So sometimes it could be that 466 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,600 the coaches, like a Claudio Barrardelli, have no idea that 467 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,920 this is happening or your training partners or whatever it 468 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:19,840 is. And you can just go out there, 469 00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,520 go rogue and and and make it happen for yourself. 470 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:27,080 So maybe that's what the case is here, but I didn't like I did. 471 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,560 I did like that Benson Caputo answered that question and 472 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:34,560 didn't, you know, have 50 hands tapping on his shoulder, tell 473 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,160 him not to answer the question. So that's good. 474 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,960 So anything else next next story round up? 475 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,720 Yeah, well, we're not going to do a deep dive into NCAA cross 476 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,240 country conference results, but obviously. 477 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:49,760 No, I'm saving that with Isaac, Yeah. 478 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,160 Yes, but but just the one, one thing I wanted to talk about was 479 00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:58,200 Jane Heddingren, who again won big twelves in 1829 for the 6K. 480 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:02,560 Another insane performance and, you know, she's looking stronger 481 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,680 and stronger. And I think the one thing, you 482 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,200 know, it's looking, you know, like she's a really amazing 483 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,600 future talent. And I think the one thing I 484 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,280 wanted to do was to compare her to Innis Fitzgerald. 485 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,840 And you might remember not that long ago, I compared Innis 486 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,640 Fitzgerald to Parker Valby because she had run quicker than 487 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,720 Parker Valby's NCAA collegiate record, but effectively as a 488 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:32,400 freshman and she's run 1439 for 5K. 489 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,480 She was destroying cross country fields in Europe at the U20 490 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,600 level in a similar way to what what Jane is doing at the moment 491 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:43,840 in the NCAA. And I think it's just an 492 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,400 interesting comparison because they're only six months apart. 493 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,400 Innis is only six months older and obviously Innis has, we've 494 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,720 gone on to race at World Championships, race and Diamond 495 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,960 leagues run 1439. And Jane obviously so far has 496 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:02,240 run 1457 for 5K. She's run 840 for 3K. 497 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,400 She's also run significantly faster for a four for the 1500, 498 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:12,480 whereas Innes has only run 4:15. But I think you can just kind of 499 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,240 see that that's kind of a trajectory. 500 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,400 It's a very interesting kind of comparison because we don't 501 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:24,640 necessarily have that many young athletes who are not African who 502 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,720 are doing these, you know, running these kind of times at 503 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:30,400 that age. So I think they're 2 interesting 504 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,040 characters. And it does suggest that Jane is 505 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,840 at the kind of level that that she could go on to do those 506 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,400 sorts of things at a very nice. I'd be really interested to know 507 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,920 if she I and I imagine it's unlikely that she's going to do 508 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,920 US cross and and and wild cross at the U20 because obviously 509 00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:49,280 she's probably not. She's going to be racing for BYU 510 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,840 the obviously the full cross country season and then the. 511 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:55,480 She's going to be going to, she's going to go to BU the 512 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,760 first weekend after her NCA cross and is going to blast if 513 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,360 she's going to break the NCAA indoor collegiate record, 514 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,360 potentially in the in the 5K. Yeah, I mean, that's, that's, I 515 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:08,880 guess what we're what we're all expecting. 516 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,640 But yeah, I just wanted to give her, give her her her flowers 517 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,920 because yeah, she's what she's doing is amazing. 518 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,680 And it's really exciting to to see her doing what she's doing. 519 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,640 All right, And then we got one more story, right? 520 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:34,000 Yes, we have Josh Hoey, who has left coach Justin Rinaldi and 521 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:40,360 this obviously broke Wednesday last week and you know, we 522 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,240 haven't obviously recorded since then. 523 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,560 So we haven't had a chance to to properly talk about this. 524 00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,840 Wild. Move, yes. 525 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,440 I was going to ask what was your initial reaction? 526 00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:55,000 And that was absolutely it. It made zero sense, right? 527 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:57,920 Like on On the face of it, if you look at the season he had 528 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,400 and you look at the improvement that he's had under Justin 529 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,280 Rinaldi after cycling through so many coaches. 530 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,200 So many coaches 6 and not having any. 531 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,600 Improvement for what? The best part of five years and 532 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,200 not really improving his PR by more than about a second and 533 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,800 then improving it by about 5 seconds in the space of a year 534 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:19,640 and a half or so. I. 535 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,960 Don't get it? It didn't didn't really make 536 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:28,400 sense. And yeah, I mean, it obviously 537 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:33,680 for those who haven't read the, the sort of detail on this, he, 538 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:39,200 he's the reasoning for the, for the, for the split is that Josh 539 00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,120 Howie just wanted to carry on going hard in every single 540 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,720 workout. He wanted to carry on training 541 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,200 full tilt. And he's also kind of announced 542 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,480 the races he's racing at BU that first weekend of December. 543 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,120 He's already announced it on his Instagram. 544 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:57,200 You know he's he's going for it. He's he's running the merry mile 545 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:00,120 that will be announcing. Yeah, and then the merry mile in 546 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,960 Hawaii the week after. No one will be more fit at that 547 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,320 merry mile than than Josh Hoey, I think. 548 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:11,639 Because I mean, the he's his 2026 training is already well 549 00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:15,960 underway. If he never took a break since 550 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:22,440 the end of the Diamond League final, you know, I'd love to get 551 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,719 inside his head as to what he was doing in training the week 552 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,040 that the World Championships are happening and he's not 553 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,639 participating, right? Like, he's not, he's not at the 554 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:32,800 World Championships, and yet he's training through that whole 555 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,360 entire thing instead of taking a break, kind of. 556 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:40,800 Crazy and and and and you can imagine right if he had reached, 557 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:45,040 you know, if he'd run, you know, if if Cooper Lukkan House hadn't 558 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:49,120 been in that race at US as and Josh how he had ended up on the 559 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,239 World Team. He'd gone to worlds. 560 00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:54,320 And you know, I wouldn't be surprised. 561 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,760 I would have expected him to make the final. 562 00:34:55,760 --> 00:35:01,520 If he'd got to got to worlds, then, you know, we, I imagine 563 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,720 this wouldn't be happening, but. I don't know, like if he didn't, 564 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,280 if he didn't win gold, there's a chance that he would have done 565 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,480 the same exact thing of, of wanting to continue going 566 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:16,560 because a gold medal is like, well, one, maybe he might even 567 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,480 if he would have won gold, he probably could have, would have 568 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,360 done the same exact thing of, of intending to keep going. 569 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,280 He's just kind of wired in this way that he's, he feels like 570 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,400 he's got a hot streak going and he wants to keep this thing 571 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,600 going for as long as possible instead of taking some downtime 572 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,720 and allowing his body to recover from just the impact and, and 573 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,840 and workload that it's put on in the last, I would say 18 months, 574 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,760 right? Because like he, when we had him 575 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,800 on the podcast in February, it said how like the only day off 576 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:49,960 that he'd really taken was when he was driving back from the 577 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,240 trials to Flagstaff, AZ. And I think like missed one day 578 00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:58,680 or something like that. So he's a workout animal and 579 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,360 king. It's just like it it I guess 580 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,840 like from the details that were shared in in that story about 581 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,720 the them parting ways. It was also like he burned the 582 00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:10,080 candle a little bit too much in the lead up to the US 583 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:13,240 championships and may have cost him left a little bit of, you 584 00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:17,000 know, the potential to make that team at in that final workout 585 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,320 beforehand. So, yeah, if it wasn't it like 586 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,600 Justin Rinaldi led him all to a World Indoor Championship gold 587 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,560 medal, second fastest US all time mark. 588 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,200 He's ranked #4 in the world in the 800 this year. 589 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,760 And that's not enough. You think that you can go out 590 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,640 and do it. You're like, he's, I believe 591 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,640 what he's being self coached now is, is what what I've heard, 592 00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:43,960 which is yeah, OK, All right, let's, let's see how this 593 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:49,400 experiment goes for a bit. I feel for Justin because he did 594 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:54,080 everything that he could. He probably, you know, maybe 595 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,640 it's maybe not the easiest of athletes and family around to 596 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:03,000 work with the whole entire time. And he he did, he did his best. 597 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:08,840 He really did do his best. And yeah, I mean, I don't I, I, 598 00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:11,560 there's no better 800 meter coach in the world when you see 599 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:16,840 what he's done with the likes of Peter Boll and Mark English this 600 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,480 year. So it's a head scratching 601 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:24,520 decision that you honestly wonder what's going to happen 602 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,200 next. And we could see, yeah, I guess 603 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,600 like now Josh always upcoming indoor season is going to be 604 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,760 more intriguing because the wheels could come off or he 605 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,440 might keep this thing going. I don't know. 606 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:38,480 It could go either way. And. 607 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,080 And I don't know. And, and it's interesting 608 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,160 because obviously next year is not a championship year in quite 609 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:48,480 the same way. And obviously he has a world 610 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,520 indoor title that he can defend. There's no. 611 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,640 Buy for the reigning world indoor champion. 612 00:37:54,720 --> 00:38:00,040 No, there is not so that he will need to to to go to USAS and 613 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,400 make that team, but in addition, I suppose so. 614 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,000 So there is that that little of pressure depending on what 615 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,320 people decide to do. And I guess there were probably 616 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:12,320 more people who will run indoors simply because other than world 617 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,080 ultimates, there isn't quite as much there on the calendar next 618 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,200 year for the American athletes. And then with the ultimate 619 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,920 Championships, the benefit is Josh Howey's going to get into 620 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,320 whichever diamond leagues he wants to go into, get into and 621 00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,200 he should therefore have the ranking points to make the World 622 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,160 Ultimate Championships. I think that that that is a 623 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,280 little bit of an easier path for him to get, get to those world 624 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,120 ultimate Championships, which is which is good. 625 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:39,400 And I imagine you know any performance of wild indoors and 626 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,800 stuff will will not do do him any harm as well. 627 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:48,240 I saw the tweet by Steve Magnus that said Josh Howey should now 628 00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:50,720 go and get coached by Bobby Kersey. 629 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,800 I'd I'd watch that. And that would be that would be 630 00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,880 entertaining to say. That right after Grant Fisher 631 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,320 left the Bowerman Track Club, we did like a whole graphic that 632 00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,280 said, like, what should Grant's next move be? 633 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,560 And then we outline like a couple different coaches. 634 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,080 And so it's got me thinking like, we should probably do 635 00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:11,680 something too for for Josh Hoey. But yeah, is it? 636 00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:17,200 I mean, I just as you know, if you're an athlete, right, what 637 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,640 is? I am an athlete, Preet. 638 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,920 I yeah, yeah, you are. I'm not. 639 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,840 But so that's why I'm asking you this question. 640 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,920 So, you know, if you're an athlete, you're, you know, you, 641 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,120 you've, you've had this kind of season. 642 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:34,720 You are, you know, we know all athletes are driven and 643 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:36,760 motivated. They are, you know, to to 644 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:41,200 compete at the highest level, you have to be, it seems like 645 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,280 Josh has takes that to a whole additional level, which maybe 646 00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,400 serves him well in some ways and maybe don't serve him quite as 647 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,720 well than others. But are you, you know, are you 648 00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:58,720 then at a point where he's been through quite a few coaches, he 649 00:39:58,720 --> 00:40:01,360 now thinks he can coach himself, which is kind of the move that 650 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,720 Grant Fisher sort of made. He then went back to his high 651 00:40:04,720 --> 00:40:08,040 school coach, but he took control of his own situation. 652 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,880 We've seen other athletes, kind of. 653 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,000 More and more athletes try and do that. 654 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,120 We've seen Morgan McDonald just now leaving the OAC last week as 655 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,600 well or announcing that that move like to say, look, I need 656 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:22,560 more individualized training. I want training on my own terms 657 00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,000 because I know what I need. Does that work? 658 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:32,480 Do do you think that that works? And does he risk burnout that, 659 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,160 you know, what is the what is the chance of burnout here? 660 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,360 Because it does feel like that's that's the. 661 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,560 Big the high chance of burnout, I think because I think the 662 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,720 thing that you had someone who was behind you, who was reigning 663 00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:49,360 you back pretty well and like prescribing paces and workouts 664 00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,920 that like now with results are pretty backed up at like, Oh no, 665 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,440 they know what you should be running, how fast you should be 666 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,960 running and this is what you're going to feel afterwards. 667 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,360 Like it seemed like Justin had his finger on the pulse of how 668 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,560 to manage Josh Hoey. And that's what we've seen, I 669 00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,920 guess, with these other previous coaches, is that it takes a lot 670 00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,800 and it's a a certain person who can actually do it. 671 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,960 So it's very different, I think, than Grant Fisher leaving Jerry 672 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:25,840 Schumacher and going to his high school coach because Grant 673 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,520 learned a lot over a certain amount of time from Jerry and 674 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:34,160 knew what works best for him. And then with that experience, 675 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:40,160 like can then seek out what it is that he wants more of or fits 676 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,720 better for him and build around himself. 677 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:46,520 Once he was already a kind of, he was a star. 678 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:50,920 So now with Josh, it's like you only have one season to really 679 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,040 build around. Like start to think of like, OK, 680 00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,000 this is what really works for me. 681 00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:59,480 So very different, smaller sample size. 682 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:04,000 And I'm just, you know, going to pay attention and see how it all 683 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,880 works out. But bold move. 684 00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:09,080 Bold move. Absolutely. 685 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,400 All right, let's let's get into New York City Marathon. 686 00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:16,760 Well, before we get into the actual marathon, should we go? 687 00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,680 Should we quickly talk about the first race of the weekend, which 688 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,240 was the dash to the finished 5K? The 1 you would. 689 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:28,280 Not a whole lot really, actually, like pre No, I like I 690 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,080 wanted. We're already 39 minutes into 691 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,640 this podcast and like we haven't touched on the New York City 692 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,600 Marathon, and it's probably what the title is. 693 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:39,040 But it was Annie Rodenfeld's one for the third time and Iman 694 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:44,160 Kemboy won for his first time. And all you need to know in that 695 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:48,360 really is that Annie Rodenfeld's seems to get this race right 696 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,320 every year. And Aman Kemboy is still very 697 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,120 fit from his summer racing on the roads. 698 00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,400 Those are the big takeaways on the winners. 699 00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:01,400 It was nice to see Ellie Saint Pierre and Parker Val be back. 700 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,040 And that's about it. Let's get let's talk about the 701 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,600 marathon. If I had a blast commentating on 702 00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:12,040 the 5K, people can go back and watch it on the New York Rd. 703 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,280 Runners YouTube channel and we had some interviews afterwards 704 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,800 with Amman Kemboy and Annie Rodenfeld's. 705 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,880 But the big race was the marathon. 706 00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:28,680 Literally 59,000 people participated in this one, which 707 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,320 is insane. When I saw that stat, I was just 708 00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:36,200 like, oh, OK. Like we put the world record out 709 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:40,880 of the water at this point. Like London last year is 55,000 710 00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,200 in in New York. London overtook it with 56 this 711 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,640 past spring, and now it's 59,000 in New York again. 712 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,880 So, you know, we didn't even let London hold on to the record for 713 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,280 a whole year. And I think that this is it. 714 00:43:54,280 --> 00:44:00,360 Like for London, don't even try. Because I saw complaints of 715 00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:03,160 people saying that they ran the London Marathon this year and it 716 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,120 was like impossible to move. Some of those back waves are 717 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:10,200 just like super crowded. Some races can do it, some 718 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:11,720 can't. Don't even try. 719 00:44:11,720 --> 00:44:13,840 Like you'll just ruin the experience for so many other 720 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,160 people. Even New York, you know, people 721 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:19,200 were complaining about just like getting to Staten Island and 722 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:23,760 having to go through the metal detectors and not enough metal 723 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,200 detectors for this amount of people. 724 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,200 I don't know, I kind of not necessarily totally disagree, 725 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:34,720 but I'm just sort of like you. You got to go into an event like 726 00:44:34,720 --> 00:44:37,240 the New York City Marathon knowing you'll be waiting and 727 00:44:37,240 --> 00:44:38,440 going through a lot of different stuff. 728 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:42,720 It's not necessarily conducive to the best pre race experience. 729 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:45,040 Like the overall experience of running the New York City 730 00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,800 Marathon is amazing. I recommend it to people. 731 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,760 It's my favorite marathon, but from a performance standpoint, 732 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,640 like you just can't get upset if you're waiting, you know, 40 733 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,000 minutes to go through a metal detector. 734 00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,920 Like they're, they're doing what they're can, what they can to 735 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,640 keep people safe. And at the same time, we, we 736 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,560 also just can't have, you know, 1000 metal detectors, whatever 737 00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:07,560 it might be. Like it's. 738 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:13,520 So I think if London even tries to do this, it'll backfire on 739 00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,280 them massively from an experience standpoint. 740 00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:22,520 So congratulations, New York is #1 biggest marathon in the world 741 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,320 and the best marathon in the world. 742 00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:32,120 So as we touch on the elite races, let's start with the 743 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,120 men's race. Since they went off first for 744 00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:40,520 the final 100 meters. It was so thrilling because 745 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:45,240 like, this is now two big marathons this year, the World 746 00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:49,560 Championships in this one where like you have two hours plus of 747 00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:53,000 racing and yet it still comes down to the final 510 seconds. 748 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:56,080 And what we had was as we were doing our watch along was our 749 00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:59,480 feed was cutting out and the lead motorcycle like pulled 750 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:00,840 away. So as we're trying to watch on 751 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:06,240 the app, you know, it's getting all staticky and I just have to 752 00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:09,040 kind of blindly call the end to the race. 753 00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,560 And I thought that Benson Kipruto had a couple steps on 754 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:16,720 Alexander Moutiso, but and I started, you know, getting 755 00:46:16,720 --> 00:46:20,760 pretty jazzed up and calling it for Capruto nearly ended in 756 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,320 disaster. Because as the feed comes back 757 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,760 in, you see that, how close they were. 758 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,360 And so they were separated by .03 seconds. 759 00:46:30,200 --> 00:46:33,800 And yeah, I dodged a major bullet from being clipped and 760 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,240 ending up on like old takes exposed or something. 761 00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:41,680 But fantastic race all around. Benson Capruto, 4th major 762 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,760 victory. So now he's won Boston, Chicago, 763 00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,040 Tokyo and New York. I think the cool part is that 764 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:52,120 he's not one of those guys who, like you, gets a ton of fanfare 765 00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,600 in the lead up to these major marathons. 766 00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,880 And now he's 4 out of 6. Does that match? 767 00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:59,920 Yeah, the match is Kipchogi, right? 768 00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:06,320 Because Kipchogi has has Chicago, Tokyo, London, Berlin, 769 00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,680 but arguably Kipruto has the two hardest ones, which are Boston 770 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,520 and New York. Actually, London is also very, 771 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,160 very hard because of how they stack the field. 772 00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:22,040 So for Kipruto to try and win the other two original 6, which 773 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:27,840 would be London and and Berlin, one he's got to be, he's got to 774 00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,320 run really fast and two, he's got to hope that talent, some of 775 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,600 that talent decides to go. I'm sure elsewhere I think 776 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,560 Berlin obviously is an added ass race and so if they want to set 777 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:42,160 up that storyline, I imagine Berlin will set that up for him. 778 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:47,160 So. I wouldn't be surprised if next 779 00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,640 next year therefore you kind of see him try and go for London 780 00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,920 and if he wins London then you can see them setting up Berlin 781 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,840 with relatively little competition for him so that he 782 00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,080 wins all six. This episode of the City of 783 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,920 Smack podcast is presented by the Wahoo Kicker Run. 784 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,200 So at this point in human history, we all know what a 785 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,560 treadmill is. You either love it or you call 786 00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,920 it the dreadmill. But what if I told you the 787 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:15,120 treadmill finally got interesting and fun? 788 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,600 Yeah, Meet the Wahoo Kicker Run. 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Check it out at 821 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,880 wahoofitness.com. Use Code Sidious at checkout. 822 00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:13,000 For that special offer, he deserves more fanfare. 9 out of 823 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,600 his last 10 majors he's ended up on the podium. 824 00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:21,000 He had some joke, I think afterwards about how he thinks 825 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,520 he should have deserved like a three star medal for the US 826 00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,920 sweep of Boston, Chicago and New York. 827 00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,280 First man to accomplish that feat. 828 00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:37,320 So this is a a great year, I guess, once again for coach 829 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:41,680 Claudio Barrardelli because you have Benson Kipruto taking this 830 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:45,680 win. You had Sebastian Saway and his 831 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,840 performance in Berlin. So that that group is still 832 00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,480 maybe the best men's marathon training group in the whole 833 00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:56,360 entire world. And so big kudos to to Benson 834 00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,360 Kipruto. What did you take away from 835 00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,440 Benson's race? Yeah, I mean, I think in a way 836 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:08,680 it shook out, you know, when, when we sort of when you, when 837 00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,840 you spoke to Abdi Negae in the press conference. 838 00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:12,920 I think when we did our preview podcast, we said they're 839 00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:17,320 probably 3 top guys, Benson Caputo, Alexander Matisseo and 840 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,480 Abdi Negae. And you spoke to Abdi in the 841 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:24,400 press conference and you know, it sounded like he wasn't as fit 842 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,440 as he was last year, which suggested to me like if he's 843 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,240 admitting that, then he's probably not going to going to 844 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,120 factor into things, which then. Pretty, pretty honest guy. 845 00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:38,000 Like, remember, we joke about just how all these people lie to 846 00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,360 us at the press conference, and I got some honest answers. 847 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,280 Yeah. So, so I think really we we got 848 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,440 the race kind of that we're expecting and we know that 849 00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:49,840 Albert career is a New York City merchant. 850 00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:53,040 You know, every time he turns up and he he gets on that podium 851 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,280 in, in New York. So he's he's, he does that 852 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,160 again, he gets that third place. But I think at the end of the 853 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:05,960 day, Mattiso and Caprito were the two guys we were expecting 854 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,680 to be battling it out for the win. 855 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,040 And boy, did they did they do that. 856 00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:16,880 And you know, it, it was, you know, and IA friend of the 857 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,880 podcast, Alex Predom tweeted Maybe it's time to to retire the 858 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,520 phrase. It's a marathon, not a Sprint 859 00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,480 because I think, and I think we need to replace it with it's a 860 00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,160 marathon, then a Sprint because that's what seems to be 861 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:31,440 happening every time. And yeah, we, we got another 862 00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,120 fabulous race to, to the finish line. 863 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:42,920 And I think this is symptomatic of the fact that when you now 864 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,080 it's very, very hard, particularly I think on the 865 00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:49,240 men's side, even more so than on the women's side, it's very, 866 00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:54,400 very hard to drop people. And there's, there's always 867 00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:58,680 going to be you're very unless you're a Sebastian Sarway and 868 00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,680 it's a really paced race where you can really kind of really 869 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:04,400 gun for it. It's very, very difficult to 870 00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,920 drop people. And so you, you are going to be, 871 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,360 you know, to do that solo, to make a move solo and to do that 872 00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:16,120 is, is pretty challenging. And that means that I think we 873 00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,920 will get more of these races where it's closer at the end 874 00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:23,200 because if not as many, you know, there's always going to be 875 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:24,920 someone who doesn't break, right. 876 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:27,680 There's always going to be at least two people left at the 877 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,480 end. I think that's the, that's the 878 00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,640 kind of impression I'm getting now of new world of racing where 879 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:36,120 people with the shoes and with all the kind of technology that 880 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,280 they've got and the, the fuelling and everything. 881 00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:42,800 Like if you throw 5 top guys in a race, then at least two of 882 00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,720 them are going to stick together till the end. 883 00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:52,520 And then, you know, there isn't as much separation right now at 884 00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,920 that top end. So it it does make for these 885 00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,360 fascinating races. It does make them a little bit 886 00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:02,400 more cagey as we saw, you know, the first half of this race, you 887 00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:05,600 know, everyone was together. And then, you know, was it, was 888 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,040 it Queensborough Bridge? Hilary Bore made the move, 889 00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,920 broke, broke the groups up a little bit. 890 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:17,680 And yeah, it was, you know, it's sort of whittled down to 8 guys 891 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,640 and then down to four guys and then down to two guys. 892 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,400 And I guess the other really impressive performance you, I 893 00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:28,680 guess you, you won't be surprised that I want to talk 894 00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:33,880 about is Paddy Diva 4th place debut marathon, really 895 00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,360 impressive. Obviously, you know, the time 896 00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:40,440 doesn't really matter in New York, but but running his debut 897 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,880 and getting 4th place and sticking with with those top 898 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:48,560 guys for as long as he did, given, you know, there are a 899 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,080 number of other guys that we thought might do that in terms 900 00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,840 of the American top Americans as well. 901 00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,280 It it was really impressive that that Paddy was the one who who 902 00:54:58,280 --> 00:55:01,480 managed to stick with them. So you know, credit to him and 903 00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,160 obviously he was only a second off the podium at at the end. 904 00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,480 And this is maybe the question I wanted to ask you actually is, 905 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,760 and I think it's the same as we've had with Connor Matts, 906 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,480 right? That when you've got these top 907 00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:17,400 sort of African marathons at the end of the race and you are, 908 00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,280 then you manage to stick with them, right? 909 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,880 You're an American, you're a Brit, you managed to stick with 910 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,760 them till right the end of the race. 911 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:30,640 But it seems to me that at this stage we've got the situation 912 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,960 where they are and maybe it's just because they have that 913 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:39,680 2O32O2 kind of speed that that fit that level of fitness that 914 00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,120 they are just going to be able to out kick you. 915 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,000 How do you train for a kick at the end of a marathon? 916 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:49,600 Like how do you do that? Like it's the mind boggles. 917 00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,360 But yeah, I don't know how what you think whether whether is 918 00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:58,200 that is there something to that or is it, is it just like they 919 00:55:58,200 --> 00:56:00,640 need to get it right and on the day they get it right, they'll 920 00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,800 they'll get on the podium? Well, if you think about just 921 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:08,560 how Connor ran the Boston Marathon this year, it's just 922 00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,920 like he attempted to be the one to cast the final blow and try 923 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,160 and run away from those guys, but you just couldn't shake him. 924 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,720 And then once you exerted yourself at that point to try 925 00:56:19,720 --> 00:56:23,800 and break him, then you're you're you have one move that 926 00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:28,000 late into into the race. And if they are unfazed by it, 927 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,440 then you're kind of screwed. Like they'll like they'll do 928 00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,160 exactly what they did to Connor. And that's I would kick him in 929 00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:37,080 the very end. The last couple miles were fast. 930 00:56:37,560 --> 00:56:45,240 I think the last four miles were all sub 4443943432 and then they 931 00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:49,680 even like picked it up for a little bit of a Sprint. 65 for 932 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,840 the last 400. Impressive. 933 00:56:52,320 --> 00:57:01,080 And I think, yeah, I thought you were going to go a different 934 00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:05,000 route with that question. Or it's like Pat Deaver, Connor 935 00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,240 Manse. They were same area, same same 936 00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:10,160 time in college. And we we talked about how 937 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:15,360 Connor's been chasing this podium finish at A at a world 938 00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,360 marathon major. And I wonder, I haven't texted 939 00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,560 him or asked him yet. I wonder what he thought about 940 00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:25,200 this race and like how it could have probably have been the type 941 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,440 of race for him to try and pull that off because he could have 942 00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,320 he could have hung with those guys, I think. 943 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,600 But now, like not to make this about Connor all of a sudden, 944 00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:41,120 but I I big ups to Pat Deaver for being so close and in it for 945 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:47,440 as long where some people try to be the ones to go for it like an 946 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,760 like a Hilary bore and his his moves where he was kind of fart 947 00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:56,080 licking through the, you know, final 10 miles. 948 00:57:56,320 --> 00:58:01,920 It eventually caught up to him. He was the only other, he was 949 00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:06,400 the only American really, who kind of went and stuck it, stuck 950 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,240 it in there, I think. Matthias Kiesberg, how do you 951 00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:13,200 pronounce this guy's name? The Swiss guy in 5th place from 952 00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,200 Salomon. Yeah, Matthias. 953 00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,000 Kibbutz. Probably kibbutz. 954 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:19,680 Yeah, that was an impressive run. 955 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,360 But again, this race was very there really. 956 00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:32,080 Like there only were like 3 #4 heavy hitters Albert career. 957 00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:35,320 Like I, I, I'm so hesitant to put him in that heavy hitter 958 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,280 category, even though he consistently shows up in New 959 00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:39,960 York. The guy's just a, a New York 960 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:43,680 master. Kibruto and Mutiso are a level 961 00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:45,760 up from everyone else in this field. 962 00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,640 And so then when you look at the rest of the results and it, you 963 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:53,480 know, from two O 9 to 210, you're just like, oh, I would 964 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:58,640 have you could shuffle this and it still wouldn't be like there 965 00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,920 would be no total shocks. Like those are the people who I 966 00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:06,600 probably expected to run between 2:09 and 2:12, except for 967 00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,160 Kipchoge. Kipchoge, I probably thought 968 00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:14,880 would have run a little bit better than 214, but it must 969 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,760 have caught up to him 64 days after running Sydney. 970 00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:19,760 Yeah. I mean, we saw. 971 00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,120 I mean, yeah, I guess he's never really done this before. 972 00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:25,280 He's never run 3 marathons in a year in this way before and 973 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:30,840 obviously only two months afterwards and on, on like both 974 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:34,200 being such tough courses. Yeah. 975 00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:39,720 And it does seem like, you know, there is a theme of those tough 976 00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,400 courses really not agreeing with Kipchengi. 977 00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,480 No. So before we get on to him, a 978 00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,520 couple other just sort of quick takes. 979 00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:51,320 We were totally wrong on Kenenisa Bikele, even him being 980 00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:54,960 added late to this field and somewhat we took that as like a 981 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,240 sign of like, oh, he must be seeing something good in 982 00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:03,280 training didn't translate. He dropped out and. 983 01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:07,560 There was a point during the race, apparently I have to ask 984 01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:11,480 Joe Clecker about this, but he was yelling at at Bekele to like 985 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:17,040 keep going and it was like kind of a cool moment that happened 986 01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,480 during the race. Joe Clecker finishes 10th to 987 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,600 1037. You know what, I I think that's 988 01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:27,280 a good day for for Joe. He probably wanted to be top 989 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:31,880 American. It was less than a minute away 990 01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:36,600 from from him. He experimented a lot with the 991 01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:42,520 fuelling and was taking in what was it, 175 grams. 992 01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:45,120 Grams of carbs per hour. Yeah, that was the the plan. 993 01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:50,320 Which is a lot and you know, kind of want to follow up to see 994 01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:55,080 how he handled that. Hilary Bohr ran 21047 and ended 995 01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:58,400 up in 12th place. Like he went for it though, I'll 996 01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:00,800 give him that. BSN bosses same, same thing. 997 01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,240 He was up there for a bit. Yeah. 998 01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:05,480 And then Charles? Is the seventh, yeah. 999 01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:07,160 Yeah. Well, with both, I mean, with 1000 01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:12,440 Hillary, do do you think he, you know, if he, I think this is 1001 01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:16,920 talking about maybe his promise going forwards is that he was 1002 01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,880 very ambitious in this race and he really decided to kind of 1003 01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,560 really put himself out there. And maybe if he'd been a little 1004 01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,920 bit more conservative and not been the one to make moves, 1005 01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:28,480 could he have hung, you know, could he have hung on for a 5th, 1006 01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:33,440 6th place rather than a, you know, ending up where he did it 1007 01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,720 back in 12th because he then faded because he made those 1008 01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:41,160 those moves a bit earlier on. Yeah. 1009 01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:45,000 I, I, well, from hearing him talk to, if you go back and 1010 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,320 listen to the interview that we did the day before, it was that 1011 01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:51,640 he's just going to, he's going to run with the leaders and make 1012 01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,800 some moves and learn from it. Like it was a big learning 1013 01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:59,120 experience and you get one first marathon to do that and make 1014 01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,560 some mistakes. Everyone makes mistakes in their 1015 01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:06,520 in their first marathon. And so A21047 solid. 1016 01:02:06,600 --> 01:02:10,240 I would say, especially in New York, it was a good day for 1017 01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,120 people to run fast. And then of course, when we've 1018 01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:15,680 gone this far without shouting out, the top American in 6th 1019 01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:20,680 place was Joel Rico. We found out how to pronounce 1020 01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,960 his last name. I spoke with him. 1021 01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:26,520 We just put out an episode of the pod with him a little bit of 1022 01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:32,400 a quieter fella, 6th place, but if you look he was only three 1023 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:38,240 seconds ahead of Charles Hicks. The final 2 miles, apparently, 1024 01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:41,400 yes it was pretty crazy on the front end of the race with 1025 01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:48,880 Benson Mottiso career, but also people packed up and some people 1026 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,480 were fading and other people were making forward progress and 1027 01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,840 the battle for top American got sorted out in those final 2 1028 01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:57,960 miles. And Joel was the one who ended 1029 01:02:57,960 --> 01:03:03,000 up holding strong to just barely finish ahead of Charles Hicks. 1030 01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,560 Now. Dude, could you use a little bit 1031 01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:12,440 of support? Unsponsored works at a running 1032 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:17,360 store in Minneapolis. I think it's the fleet feet one 1033 01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:23,320 out there, two O 956 in New York take what 60 seconds off? 1034 01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:27,440 If if you put that in Chicago, it sounds like I'm reading 1035 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,920 between the lines. He didn't want to say what race 1036 01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,320 he couldn't get into, but it was sounds like Chicago didn't let 1037 01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:37,520 him in in back-to-back years. And so last year he ran New York 1038 01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,120 finished 12th. This time around comes back 1039 01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:44,800 finishes top American and now maybe wants to go run Boston in 1040 01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,240 the spring which he's got some cross country chops two time all 1041 01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:52,680 American at South Dakota State. Boston could be a good course 1042 01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:56,680 for him there too. But one thing that David 1043 01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,120 O'Malley highlighted in the takeaways piece that we 1044 01:03:59,120 --> 01:04:03,520 published right afterwards, and I'm curious your thoughts, it 1045 01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:07,480 was that Conor Mance, Clayton Young shouldn't get a little, it 1046 01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:11,360 shouldn't get too comfortable at the top of US men's marathoning. 1047 01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:16,160 I think I might disagree a little bit because there's still 1048 01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:21,080 quite a bit above in terms of their caliber right now. 1049 01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,400 Conor more so than Clayton, of course. 1050 01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,200 I think Conor definitely is that level above. 1051 01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:33,160 But I think The thing is we've got I mean, we've got Charles 1052 01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,160 Hicks, we've got Joe Clecker, we've got Hilary Boar, we've 1053 01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:40,040 got, I mean, those three are kind of starting out on their 1054 01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:44,360 marathon journeys and New York doesn't really tell us a New 1055 01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,600 York race like this being that their first marathon doesn't 1056 01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,800 necessarily tell us a huge amount. 1057 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,800 I mean, Charles Hicks looks like he's got a lot of upside and we 1058 01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:57,200 know how talented he was in the NCAA and you know, and over the 1059 01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,360 cross. So maybe maybe he's found this 1060 01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:02,760 place and I don't know whether he's going to be a Boston, NY 1061 01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:06,680 kind of athlete or whether he he he will also be able to to go on 1062 01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:08,400 and run the first times. We don't really know that. 1063 01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,640 But I think for full three of those guys, there's a lot of 1064 01:05:11,640 --> 01:05:13,600 upside there. I think Hilary Bohr probably 1065 01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:18,080 still, you know, as we were saying, going in feels like a 1066 01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:22,280 guy with a lot of upside and you know, he's the fastest half 1067 01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:26,320 marathon of of, of those guys. And and then Bo, obviously we've 1068 01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:29,320 seen how fast he can run in in, in Valencia. 1069 01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:34,720 So I wonder if he, you know, he can he can get it right. 1070 01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:38,760 I think, I think that's the thing for him is what, what does 1071 01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:42,440 getting it right look like on, you know, he obviously went for 1072 01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,680 it a little bit in this race and then fell off a little bit in 1073 01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:47,680 sort of the last third of the race. 1074 01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:53,080 And, you know, he, he put himself in it again. 1075 01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:55,240 But maybe that was, that was a little ambitious on the day. 1076 01:05:55,240 --> 01:06:00,000 So I think there's a whole load of guys here who, who could be 1077 01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:05,040 threats. And I, yeah, I, I, I think when 1078 01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:06,840 it comes to 2028, it's a long time. 1079 01:06:07,240 --> 01:06:10,280 It's, it's another, it's another 2 1/2 years till, till the 1080 01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,920 trials nearly. So we've got, we've got a bit 1081 01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,560 bit of waiting to do and and plenty of time for these guys to 1082 01:06:16,560 --> 01:06:20,080 develop. All right, so those were our 1083 01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:26,880 thoughts on the men's pro race. Now, before we transition over 1084 01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:31,560 to the women's side, we do have to talk about Elliot Kipchoge's 1085 01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:37,800 big announcement that he teased. There'd been no rumors floating 1086 01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:41,400 about New York being his final elite marathon. 1087 01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:46,560 Whether that meant that he would be no longer, you know, on the 1088 01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:50,600 elite starting list for future majors was a question. 1089 01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:55,480 And when confronted about the news at the pre race press 1090 01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,280 conferences, that big announcement coming on Sunday 1091 01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:02,360 after the race. And it turns out it was not a 1092 01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:06,560 Hennessy ad like LeBron James's big decision. 1093 01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:11,520 It ended up being Elliott's world tour gets announced and so 1094 01:07:11,560 --> 01:07:16,480 his plan is to run 7 marathons and seven continents over the 1095 01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:20,040 next two years. I kind of totally slipped up and 1096 01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:23,200 forgot that he's already run one in South America on the watch 1097 01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:25,960 along. I was like, wait, what other 1098 01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:27,840 continents is he missing at this point? 1099 01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:30,520 Because he's got North America from, you know, these majors, 1100 01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:36,680 South America from the 2016 Rio Olympics, Europe from Berlin, 1101 01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:42,560 London, Asia with Tokyo, Sydney with Australia. 1102 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,920 Then he's got and then he needs Antarctica. 1103 01:07:49,480 --> 01:07:52,000 What else? Oh, Africa. 1104 01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:55,520 Africa, yeah, which is his home continent. 1105 01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,600 That'll be the That'll be a huge one. 1106 01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,680 Yeah, there's some kind of debate as as to whether he goes 1107 01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,000 to Cape Town when it becomes a major or whether. 1108 01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,320 He. Or whether he does one in Kenya, 1109 01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:11,240 which I think would be fitting, especially if he's not going for 1110 01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:15,160 a time or anything like that, then wouldn't it be cool for him 1111 01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:18,760 to do it in his home country? I. 1112 01:08:18,920 --> 01:08:22,439 Vision like you know the scene from Rocky where he just starts 1113 01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:25,319 running down like the streets and then more and more people 1114 01:08:25,319 --> 01:08:28,279 just join in. That's how his marathon should 1115 01:08:28,279 --> 01:08:29,200 be. It's just like you're not 1116 01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:32,960 allowed to join in on the run until he passes your 1117 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:36,000 neighborhood and then like you can just join in and it's just 1118 01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,399 like it looks like a huge swarm of people with him. 1119 01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:40,960 You can't pass him like he's got to be at the front the whole 1120 01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:44,880 entire time. And yeah, the only problem with 1121 01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:48,720 Kipchogi hosting a marathon in Kenya is that he probably would 1122 01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:52,319 get beat pretty handily by the local talent that's there. 1123 01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:55,200 If this isn't like as serious of a thing, it'd be probably like, 1124 01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:59,760 oh, kind of sucks that Kipchogi is in 200th place at the 1125 01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:06,840 Kipchogi Nairobi Marathon. So yeah, I but it would, it 1126 01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:10,960 would be cool. So my, my big thought is because 1127 01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,600 this is something that was wavering during the, during the 1128 01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:18,920 race where I was like, are we overdoing it right now with just 1129 01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:20,279 like the attention that he's getting? 1130 01:09:20,279 --> 01:09:22,920 While there's some key moments happening in the front end of 1131 01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,680 the race, like I, I get what the sentiment was with having a 1132 01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:32,960 Kipchogi Cam right during during the broadcast, but it's like at 1133 01:09:33,120 --> 01:09:37,640 with 5K to go, I don't necessarily think we need to see 1134 01:09:38,319 --> 01:09:43,760 that he's still, you know, now 3 minutes back of the third chase 1135 01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:47,279 group. And so it got to be a little bit 1136 01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:50,840 much. And so now with these, it'll be 1137 01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:58,720 cool to see him check the boxes, but I don't know from from an 1138 01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,480 elite standpoint, we're going to have to think about how we're 1139 01:10:01,480 --> 01:10:04,760 going to cover this, right? Like it's definitely a big 1140 01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:07,720 marketing thing. I will give. 1141 01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:12,200 I was thinking about just how he's the most marketable 1142 01:10:12,200 --> 01:10:14,360 marathoner in the whole entire world, right? 1143 01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:18,520 No question about that. And in general, and this is 1144 01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:20,840 maybe where the Spotify comments section could help me out. 1145 01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:24,440 I was trying to think of like, this is something I was thinking 1146 01:10:24,440 --> 01:10:25,960 about actively while working on my book. 1147 01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:30,720 Has there been any other African marathoner that has been 1148 01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:34,400 marketed better than Kipchoge or to even this level? 1149 01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:37,800 There are attempts, right? But it just hasn't taken. 1150 01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:41,280 There were posters all throughout New York City this 1151 01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:44,720 past weekend about, you know, Helen is coming. 1152 01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:47,640 And it was Helen O'beary, and they were on posters. 1153 01:10:48,880 --> 01:10:51,920 But even, like, you know, I see them in Greenpoint here in 1154 01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,320 Brooklyn, and most people walk past them and they don't know 1155 01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:58,680 who Helen is. I love that Helen did the, you 1156 01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:02,560 know, not live with Regis and Kelly because Regis Philbin's 1157 01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,560 been dead for a couple years. But whatever the, you know, that 1158 01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:09,120 show is now with Kelly Ripa. I don't know who her partner is 1159 01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:12,040 in that one. I haven't kept up with it since 1160 01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:17,720 Michael Strahan left. But Helen O'Leary went on that, 1161 01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:18,640 and I thought that that was awesome. 1162 01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,960 That's not an easy thing for her to do is like a you know when 1163 01:11:21,960 --> 01:11:25,600 English isn't your first language to sit there and do a 1164 01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:29,400 really fun interview to a big morning show. 1165 01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:30,880 I thought Helen handled it awesome. 1166 01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:35,360 And so I like the attempts that on has put forth to try and grow 1167 01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:39,240 the start Helen stardom. But it just does not even 1168 01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:43,280 compare to how Nike was successful in doing this around 1169 01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:45,720 Kipchogi and they're doing a really good job with faith as 1170 01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:48,480 well. But it Kipchogi is just on a 1171 01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:52,880 whole nother level. So my whole thought process and 1172 01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:56,840 this whole tangent was just like anything the sky would have 1173 01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:00,920 chosen to do post elite marathoning is still going to be 1174 01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,440 appealing to the masses. It's just a matter of like, how 1175 01:12:04,440 --> 01:12:07,720 much are we going to expend on covering that now? 1176 01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,560 This episode of the Cities Back podcast is presented by 1177 01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:17,480 Lollipop. Fall has finally shown up. 1178 01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:21,160 The air's a little sharper. The light turns gold. 1179 01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,160 Yeah, it's that time of year again. 1180 01:12:25,320 --> 01:12:28,680 Last year, I was told that my ad read for Lollipop Crisp Apple 1181 01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:33,680 was weirdly sensual. I'll take it, because honestly, 1182 01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,640 this flavor deserves it. 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I think there were two things. 1209 01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:24,960 I think the reason why we had a Kip shaggy Cam is people 1210 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,120 probably would have been annoyed if they couldn't see Kipchogi in 1211 01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:29,560 his last ever race or there wasn't footage of Kipchogi in 1212 01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:33,080 his last ever race, good footage from all parts of the race and 1213 01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:36,360 so or his last ever kind of real competitive race. 1214 01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:39,280 And even though he wasn't very competitive in this race as such 1215 01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,160 in in the second-half of the race anyway, In any case, you 1216 01:14:43,160 --> 01:14:46,080 know it, it it's still a special moment. 1217 01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:49,400 I would, you know, when I I went to the London Marathon in 2023 1218 01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:53,160 and I saw saw Mo Farah won his last competitive race and that 1219 01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:58,520 was kind of that moment. It's something special to see 1220 01:14:58,800 --> 01:15:01,840 moments like that and to be a part of moments like that. 1221 01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,160 So I think we've got to take a moment to say, look, you know, 1222 01:15:05,160 --> 01:15:08,840 this was, you know, we knew that this was coming. 1223 01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:12,960 And we have to value the fact that this is the last time we're 1224 01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:16,000 really ever going to be able to talk about him in that 1225 01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,960 competitive sense. And then moving on to what he's 1226 01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,720 doing next. It is a marketing thing, But 1227 01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:25,160 he's he's also become that person now. 1228 01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:28,200 When you interview him, when you speak to him, he's talking in 1229 01:15:28,200 --> 01:15:30,640 platitudes. He's talking about, you know, 1230 01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,200 bringing joy to the world through running to kind of 1231 01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,320 inspiring a generation through running. 1232 01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:38,760 And you know what? He's kind of been a massive part 1233 01:15:38,760 --> 01:15:41,920 of the marathon boom around the world over the last decade, 1234 01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:42,640 right? For sure. 1235 01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:47,680 And he's, he's kind of done the, the sub two, you know, and his 1236 01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,920 accomplishments are easy to forget now that he's become less 1237 01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:54,520 competitive, But you know, the number of majors he's won and 1238 01:15:54,520 --> 01:15:57,800 then, you know, the 2 Olympics that he's won and the times that 1239 01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:02,880 he's run are absolutely mind blowing. 1240 01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:07,000 And he, you know, whatever he chooses to do, of course it it, 1241 01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:10,640 it would be cool. But I think he look, it's to 1242 01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:14,200 Nike's benefit if he's out there selling product for them by 1243 01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:16,600 running races and, and doing things. 1244 01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:18,920 And obviously whatever races he run in runs in. 1245 01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:23,840 I imagine Nike will get behind it and try and kind of do do 1246 01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:25,560 some huge marketing stuff around it. 1247 01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:27,880 That's one thing. And, and actually that's 1248 01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:29,880 probably going to be more than them sponsoring any other 1249 01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,440 athlete who might win a marathon major, right? 1250 01:16:32,680 --> 01:16:35,000 I don't think it is going to have more impact. 1251 01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:39,640 Kipchecki doing that I can see. I can see also in the future 1252 01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:43,080 maybe having celebrities running alongside him or or with him. 1253 01:16:43,480 --> 01:16:45,440 No, Farrah has done something like that, right? 1254 01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:48,400 Well, it's like a social content thing, right? 1255 01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:51,520 Well, we saw Des Linden running with a bear and with the guy 1256 01:16:51,520 --> 01:16:53,160 from the Bachelor, right Was that was. 1257 01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:56,640 That no, you're wrong. Jesus, Preet, put some respect 1258 01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,920 on Anthony Ramos's resume. My gosh. 1259 01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:02,320 He was not a contestant on the Bachelor. 1260 01:17:02,760 --> 01:17:05,840 Wow, Preet, I'm very upset right now. 1261 01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:11,520 Anthony Ramos was in Hamilton, the original Broadway show cast. 1262 01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:16,680 He was in In the Heights as the lead actor in in the movie as 1263 01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:19,360 well. Jeez priests. 1264 01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,880 Do not diminish Anthony Ramos to just being a contestant on The 1265 01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:24,800 Bachelor. My God. 1266 01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:26,680 Although I although I do think he's single. 1267 01:17:26,680 --> 01:17:28,120 He could be a contestant on The Bachelorette. 1268 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,240 But yeah, I mean, I, I think having, you know, having this 1269 01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:36,040 kind of, you know, and I think Daz obviously is moving into a 1270 01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:38,800 similar ambassadorial kind of role in her career. 1271 01:17:40,360 --> 01:17:43,640 And I think it, it's interesting to to compare the two as well, 1272 01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:46,000 that obviously Daz is doing it for an American audience. 1273 01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:48,920 It looks very different to what perhaps Kipchoge is going to do. 1274 01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:55,080 But I think you can see that when you're getting like when a 1275 01:17:55,080 --> 01:17:57,360 brand is getting value from an athlete, they're not going to 1276 01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:00,960 want to let that go very easily, so. 1277 01:18:01,280 --> 01:18:03,280 Oh, he's on a lifetime deal with Nike. 1278 01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:04,840 Absolutely, absolutely, for sure. 1279 01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:08,520 He's on a lifetime deal and I, I think he's still going to be 1280 01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:12,360 relevant in that sense, right? He I, I, you know, and 1281 01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:16,120 especially given Calvin Kipton is sadly no longer with us as 1282 01:18:16,120 --> 01:18:19,840 well. Like he's the one there to carry 1283 01:18:19,840 --> 01:18:25,360 on that, you know, that that legacy that he has built and it, 1284 01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:27,880 it's not going to be that easy for someone to overtake that. 1285 01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:31,720 It's going to take a long time, I suspect, for for anyone else 1286 01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:33,600 to come along and overtake that legacy. 1287 01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:37,800 One area where I don't think that Kipchoge would be a good 1288 01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:44,440 fit in this post elite life, which it seems to be like just a 1289 01:18:44,440 --> 01:18:48,000 quick thought by these major networks to do, is plug in a 1290 01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,600 former star athlete into the booth. 1291 01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,200 Do not put Kipchogi in a broadcast booth. 1292 01:18:54,680 --> 01:18:57,160 Do not. It's just like you watch enough 1293 01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:01,120 of these interviews and yes, like the wisdom and and like the 1294 01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:06,200 one off quotes sound great, but that's it's not the analysis and 1295 01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:10,760 commentary that we need in the middle of a marathon race. 1296 01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:17,400 And he would have to be coached, I think, and trained a bit to be 1297 01:19:17,400 --> 01:19:20,240 a good commentator. I don't even think that he would 1298 01:19:20,240 --> 01:19:22,160 be good in the, you know, I don't know if you've seen these 1299 01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:27,960 clips because you're out in the in the UK, but NBC now has the 1300 01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:32,920 rights to some NBA coverage and they do these sit downs with 1301 01:19:32,920 --> 01:19:36,640 Michael Jordan. And they they teased it as sort 1302 01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,560 of Michael Jordan was going to be commenting on these games all 1303 01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:41,600 throughout the season. But it sounds, it looks to me 1304 01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:44,600 right now that like they just happened to get one big 1305 01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,640 interview with Michael Jordan and now they're splicing it into 1306 01:19:47,640 --> 01:19:50,400 like 20 different parts that they'll insert into a variety of 1307 01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,880 different games. And so there have been some cool 1308 01:19:53,880 --> 01:19:57,640 insights and moments, like Michael Jordan telling the story 1309 01:19:57,640 --> 01:20:00,800 of how nervous he was when he rented someone's house and the 1310 01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,280 owner told them to hit a free throw like. 1311 01:20:03,640 --> 01:20:09,440 That was it was it was a funny viral moment versus like you put 1312 01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:12,880 Kipchogi in a studio setting like that, just with, you know, 1313 01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:15,480 Mike Tirico and they do this interview like you're not going 1314 01:20:15,480 --> 01:20:17,840 to get anything really aside from like, I want to make the 1315 01:20:17,840 --> 01:20:21,560 world a running world. I know human is limited. 1316 01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:25,000 Like we've heard these things hundreds of times already. 1317 01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:28,640 So I'm kind of I don't need more of that. 1318 01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:33,400 I'm happy for my friend Elliot. I hope that he goes off and has 1319 01:20:33,400 --> 01:20:36,400 a great time all throughout, you know, tour in the world, I 1320 01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:37,640 think. I think we, I hope we get 1321 01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,160 together with Kelly Clarkson. That's what he needs to do, 1322 01:20:40,160 --> 01:20:42,440 right? That's, that's, that's got to be 1323 01:20:42,440 --> 01:20:45,920 his dream, right? So I don't know if I should 1324 01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:51,400 reveal it. Nah, let's just say that there 1325 01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:56,760 has been a a connection established between Kelly 1326 01:20:56,760 --> 01:21:00,080 Clarkson and Elliot Kipchogi. And I won't reveal much more 1327 01:21:00,280 --> 01:21:03,000 other than that. And so it's a future down the 1328 01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:08,280 road collab that you might see. So there's that. 1329 01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:13,200 But yeah, it'd be nice if Kelly wants to run a marathon. 1330 01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:17,880 You have Kipchogi, pace her. We did see the interview that 1331 01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:21,760 went up of like Diplo talking to Kipchogi. 1332 01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:27,920 Maybe we see a Diplo run club pop up next to a Kipchogee 1333 01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,720 Marathon World Tour. That'd be sick. 1334 01:21:32,120 --> 01:21:34,240 But anyway, all right, we haven't even talked about the 1335 01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:35,880 women's race. We got to talk about the women's 1336 01:21:35,880 --> 01:21:40,040 race, women's race, women's race, fun. 1337 01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:47,880 All right, over in the women's race, it was Helen O'berry, just 1338 01:21:47,880 --> 01:21:52,360 like being the boss that she is, smashing the course 1339 01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:56,760 record-breaking 220 in New York. That course record had stood 1340 01:21:56,760 --> 01:22:04,040 since 2003 pre Super Shoes. But really like part of the 1341 01:22:04,040 --> 01:22:06,840 reason this went down was because we speculated on like 1342 01:22:07,480 --> 01:22:14,040 how will Sharon and Helen take down Sifan Hassan? 1343 01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:18,920 Sifan Hassan's presence, in addition to this race, led to 1344 01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:21,800 this thing being honest very early on. 1345 01:22:21,880 --> 01:22:29,480 And so it would, it took, you know, maybe I would say 10 or 12 1346 01:22:29,480 --> 01:22:35,320 miles to go 10 or 12 miles into the race for Sheila, Chef Kuri 1347 01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:40,000 to start to press a little bit. Sharon was her shadow. 1348 01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:41,920 Helen was always there up in the front. 1349 01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:47,720 And Stefan Asan fell asleep for just a little bit and had to do 1350 01:22:47,720 --> 01:22:49,240 a little bit of work to catch up to her. 1351 01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:54,040 The the surprise in the whole leader bunch was Fiona O'Keefe 1352 01:22:54,280 --> 01:22:57,920 in her first marathon since dropping out of the Paris 1353 01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:03,400 Olympics after one mile. This was her first marathon that 1354 01:23:03,400 --> 01:23:07,200 she completed since the 2024 US Olympic Marathon Trials. 1355 01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:10,400 And she crushed it, I got to say. 1356 01:23:10,480 --> 01:23:15,680 But shows she was in it as running. 1357 01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:21,080 Very brave, I would say. But as we kind of talk about how 1358 01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:26,440 the women's race played out, it was Helen O'berry, Sheila, Chef 1359 01:23:26,440 --> 01:23:30,960 Crewy, Sharon Loquetti. Once they broke away from 1360 01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:36,240 O'Keefe and Hassan, it was very awesome to see that we had three 1361 01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:38,360 defending champions. And you know that they've done 1362 01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:40,560 this before. So it's like you throw 1363 01:23:40,560 --> 01:23:43,600 experience at the window, you throw coarse knowledge out the 1364 01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,280 window, all this kind of stuff. It's just who's got it. 1365 01:23:46,440 --> 01:23:51,480 And it was, it was awesome because none of them broke right 1366 01:23:51,480 --> 01:23:57,200 away. They did a really good job of 1367 01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:59,800 running the wheels out of Stefano San, going over the 1368 01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:03,920 Queensboro Bridge, gapping her a little bit, having her to, 1369 01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:10,240 having her to really kind of pick things up and exert a bit 1370 01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:11,560 of effort. I've been there. 1371 01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,400 Sucks. Queensboro Bridge will shatter 1372 01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:17,640 your heart. And then from there, having to 1373 01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:22,480 make up and and inject some paste on 1st Ave. to catch them, 1374 01:24:22,480 --> 01:24:26,520 that's really where it's like they forced Stephane Asan to try 1375 01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:29,600 harder than they did. And it did catch up to Stephane 1376 01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:33,960 and she faded before they made it back into Manhattan and they 1377 01:24:33,960 --> 01:24:38,400 were on 1st Ave. So great job ladies, in the 1378 01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,720 teamwork it took to to get that done. 1379 01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,720 We kind of joked whether or not there'd be teamwork involved, 1380 01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:47,840 but you could tell those top three, those 3 Kenyans, they did 1381 01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:52,040 it. And Fiona O'Keefe held on for 1382 01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:56,040 fourth place in two 2249, fastest ever run by an American, 1383 01:24:58,160 --> 01:25:01,920 Annie Frisby. Emily Sisson Straw showed some 1384 01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,720 resilience as well. Finishing up there. 1385 01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:09,880 But gosh, I was so impressed by Helen's final mile, essentially 1386 01:25:10,440 --> 01:25:13,000 because both her and Sharon, we've seen this so many times 1387 01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:17,160 before, We're neck and neck. And yet they still delivered 1388 01:25:17,160 --> 01:25:19,920 some great theatrics. So, Helen O'berry, Queen of New 1389 01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:23,640 York City once again, what did you make of it, Preet? 1390 01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,480 Yeah. I mean, I think it was really, 1391 01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:31,800 I, I, I think again, as with the men's race, we kind of knew who 1392 01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:35,840 the main protagonists were. And it kind of worked out that 1393 01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:39,320 it was a Berry, the Caddy, Chuck Ruy and Hassan. 1394 01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:43,440 And of course, Fiona O'Keefe was the one who was mixing it up 1395 01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:47,600 with them at the front of the race for a bit longer than we we 1396 01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:53,440 expected. And I, I think that these guys 1397 01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:57,880 watched the London Marathon because this is exactly how 1398 01:25:57,880 --> 01:26:01,680 Sifan Hassan was broken in the London Marathon earlier this 1399 01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:04,360 year, that they fought, licked a bit. 1400 01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:06,880 They kind of pushed and cooled off. 1401 01:26:07,600 --> 01:26:11,080 And Hassan kind of yo-yo back and forth a couple of times and 1402 01:26:11,080 --> 01:26:13,240 eventually didn't manage to catch up. 1403 01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:14,880 And then then they left her behind. 1404 01:26:14,880 --> 01:26:20,720 And I think, you know, Asafa especially left her behind 1405 01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:24,480 completely. And that is kind of similar to 1406 01:26:24,480 --> 01:26:26,800 what Sheila Chaparui was kind of doing here. 1407 01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,920 And it needed Sheila, you know, it needed. 1408 01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:34,440 And I think we said before in our preview that it needed 1409 01:26:34,440 --> 01:26:37,960 someone to make it fast. And I didn't see Helen or Sharon 1410 01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,800 being the ones to to do that. They weren't the ones who were 1411 01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:43,560 going to kind of press or make moves earlier in the race. 1412 01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:47,640 And it was Sheila really who was the one who actually did, you 1413 01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:49,880 know, once they got to halfway, was the one who really kind of 1414 01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:54,080 took things on and and was pressing and and farther King 1415 01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:58,120 and and doing that, you know, job, which meant that Saffan the 1416 01:26:58,120 --> 01:27:01,640 sand fell off and then you had back on and fell off. 1417 01:27:01,640 --> 01:27:06,240 And and I think the last time she she got back up to them, it 1418 01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,400 you could see that she was working hard. 1419 01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:12,680 She was pretty much sprinting to get back up to them And and then 1420 01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,720 they just kept on going and she immediately fell off again. 1421 01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:21,160 And that was that. So, you know, Sufana Sam was 1422 01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:23,920 clearly tired coming back from Sydney. 1423 01:27:23,920 --> 01:27:26,400 I mean, we saw Ali Chogi was tired coming back from Sydney 1424 01:27:28,040 --> 01:27:31,280 and it's a shame we didn't get to see her in the mix for that 1425 01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:35,120 final, final Sprint. But I mean, they, they, they 1426 01:27:35,160 --> 01:27:38,440 those 3, Ibiri Lakendi and Chaparrouille played it 1427 01:27:38,440 --> 01:27:41,400 perfectly to to break, to break Hassan. 1428 01:27:41,400 --> 01:27:44,480 And that was, you know, very impressive. 1429 01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:48,760 And yeah, it is really cool that we got those 3 into the final 1430 01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:51,000 miles. And then for Helen to do what 1431 01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:54,680 she did, I think was was hugely impressive. 1432 01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:57,600 I mean, I think with Helen, it's easy to forget how impressive 1433 01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:02,240 her marathon career has been. And we thought, you know, and, 1434 01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:05,920 and with, with Sharon winning Boston earlier this year in the 1435 01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:11,800 manner that she did, you know, we thought that maybe it was 1436 01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:15,360 Sharon's time now. But Helen has shown that she's 1437 01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:20,600 still here to stay. And really, you know, yeah. 1438 01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,960 Now two time, two time New York winner, 3 two time Boston 1439 01:28:23,960 --> 01:28:25,640 winner. Yeah. 1440 01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:33,080 And keep her podium streak. Yeah, and I like that she, both 1441 01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:36,320 her and Sharon are kind of trapped into this Boston, NY 1442 01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:40,560 carousel because they'll get some pretty good appearance fees 1443 01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,880 to continue to show up to them. And so if we're guaranteed those 1444 01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:47,040 duels going forward, then then great, sign me up. 1445 01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:50,040 I'll gladly take and watch that. I'm trying to think of like, who 1446 01:28:50,040 --> 01:28:53,320 can make because if Stephane was a person who dropped, who got 1447 01:28:53,320 --> 01:28:56,040 dropped into New York to make it interesting, who's another 1448 01:28:56,040 --> 01:29:01,800 person to throw into Boston next year to make shake up the 1449 01:29:01,800 --> 01:29:06,080 O'berry Loketti duel? Is there anyone who's coming top 1450 01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:09,200 of mind you think? Asafa or Jeff Churcher. 1451 01:29:09,560 --> 01:29:13,120 Well, would either one of those get asked to return back to? 1452 01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,120 Boston Safa will be London Safa. Will be London. 1453 01:29:16,160 --> 01:29:18,480 To return to London because she's the defending champion, so 1454 01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:21,440 maybe Jeff Churcher. Maybe. 1455 01:29:23,040 --> 01:29:26,240 Yeah, I'm trying to think who else would be. 1456 01:29:26,440 --> 01:29:29,440 I I think Paris Shipshire chair is probably the the biggest name 1457 01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:34,240 outside of the people that were in this race and and the suffer. 1458 01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:38,840 She's doing Valencia. Oh yes, Church, yes, she is 1459 01:29:38,840 --> 01:29:41,600 actually so. Because she did world where the 1460 01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:42,800 the world. Champs. 1461 01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:47,280 World champs and now you know, take an appearance fee and try 1462 01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:49,440 and run fast at the Valencia marathon. 1463 01:29:49,440 --> 01:29:53,000 So yeah, I guess that she would be a good one. 1464 01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:55,160 Because Churchill hasn't won Boston, right? 1465 01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,400 I don't think so. No, no, she's been racing London 1466 01:29:58,400 --> 01:29:59,440 quite a bit, hasn't she? So. 1467 01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:02,560 Yeah. That'll be Yeah. 1468 01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:06,080 I I mean, and I also do think that in the women's, in the 1469 01:30:06,080 --> 01:30:08,680 women's race, because of the way Chef and Gaddish has set that 1470 01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:12,200 world record and thrown it so far out there, there's less 1471 01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:17,480 incentive to go after a fast time now, which which I do do 1472 01:30:17,480 --> 01:30:19,960 think, you know, because you're not, you know, you're not really 1473 01:30:19,960 --> 01:30:21,600 going to get that close to the world record. 1474 01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,600 Like, you know, a couple of years ago, everyone was kind of 1475 01:30:24,600 --> 01:30:26,520 gunning for the for the world record. 1476 01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:28,480 Everyone was like gunning for 2:14. 1477 01:30:28,480 --> 01:30:32,160 And then, you know, until Asafa did what she did. 1478 01:30:32,520 --> 01:30:35,520 But even then, Asafa's mark feels like, you know, when 1479 01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:40,600 Hassan ran 213, it felt like maybe we'd see more and more 1480 01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:45,840 people trying to, you know, run 213 to 212, etcetera. 1481 01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:49,840 Whilst now like the world record so far out there and obviously 1482 01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:54,960 with its current status as well as a slightly dodgy record, you 1483 01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:59,200 know, the attraction of trying to go after it is just, I think 1484 01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,680 what you can't go after it really unless you're cheating 1485 01:31:02,680 --> 01:31:06,360 yourself. So I think it does mean that I 1486 01:31:06,360 --> 01:31:09,760 think there's much more incentive to to to run a fast 1487 01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:13,200 race and sorry to run a competitive race and try and 1488 01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:17,840 podium at these majors. Yeah, and then thinking a little 1489 01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:21,080 bit more about it, like Stefan Asan, if she wants to check off 1490 01:31:21,080 --> 01:31:25,280 the majors, then she could go to Boston, right? 1491 01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:27,240 Because she's missing. Now, yeah, so she does. 1492 01:31:27,240 --> 01:31:27,720 Yeah. So she. 1493 01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:30,760 So I wouldn't be surprised if Stefano Sam rocks up to Boston. 1494 01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,520 Unless this course spooked her a little bit, but then. 1495 01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:37,080 But then she did. She ran Paris and 1 Paris so. 1496 01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:40,320 And what I think she did, I think there was some quotes from 1497 01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:44,720 her afterwards and she did say like her, her her hamstring 1498 01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:47,280 circles was just gone and she couldn't run up hills. 1499 01:31:47,320 --> 01:31:50,840 And so that's, you know, she just, she just literally, and it 1500 01:31:50,840 --> 01:31:55,160 was just, she's like, yeah, she, she, she, she, I think it's 1501 01:31:55,160 --> 01:31:57,400 Sydney just caught up to her. It was a bit too soon after 1502 01:31:57,400 --> 01:32:00,200 Sydney for her to, to run her best race. 1503 01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:04,000 And, you know, this is all learning for Stephane. 1504 01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:07,640 But what I find interesting about Stephane is that she's run 1505 01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:11,360 her two best marathons off the back of track fitness, right, 1506 01:32:11,360 --> 01:32:14,920 and off the back of track races. She ran her 213 in Chicago, off 1507 01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:17,480 the back of tripling in Budapest. 1508 01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:22,640 And she ran her Olympics, obviously after running the 5:00 1509 01:32:22,640 --> 01:32:28,280 and 10:00 at the Olympics. So I'd be intrigued to know if 1510 01:32:28,280 --> 01:32:31,440 she goes back to that because that appears to be her best way 1511 01:32:31,440 --> 01:32:34,960 to run her best marathon. And I imagine it's a very 1512 01:32:34,960 --> 01:32:40,720 exhausting way to do it because it then knocks you out for for 1513 01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:45,120 six months afterwards. But, but it appears to be her 1514 01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:48,440 best, best way to perform. But who knows? 1515 01:32:49,120 --> 01:32:53,080 Yeah, let's touch on the Americans just for a SEC. 1516 01:32:53,120 --> 01:32:56,000 Fiona O'Keefe, how did you what did you think of in the middle 1517 01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:59,360 of the watch along former Sidious Meg employee Kyle Merber 1518 01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:06,200 said that this felt like the race that we could have seen at 1519 01:33:06,200 --> 01:33:10,160 the Paris Olympics from Fiona O'Keefe that we didn't. 1520 01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:16,960 And I, I kind of like to think that 4th place 22249 really, 1521 01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:20,320 really good. Yeah, I mean, it's a really 1522 01:33:20,320 --> 01:33:22,160 amazing time on the New York course. 1523 01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:27,120 Like not that far off the the former course record, you know, 1524 01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:30,040 and to have that confidence to be up there and to hang on for 1525 01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:33,720 as long as she did and to hang on for longer than Stefan Hassan 1526 01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:38,560 is, is wildly impressive. And I, I think, you know, great 1527 01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:43,080 weekend obviously for that Puma Elite Amy and Alistair Cragg, 1528 01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:48,040 two fourth places on the men's and the women's side with Paddy 1529 01:33:48,040 --> 01:33:51,640 Diva also training with them. So they really had a had a great 1530 01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:55,680 weekend. And yeah, I mean it, it does 1531 01:33:55,680 --> 01:33:59,880 feel like she is someone who who can compete at the top end of 1532 01:33:59,880 --> 01:34:01,040 ages. Obviously we'll have to see how 1533 01:34:01,040 --> 01:34:04,920 she goes in a, in a really quick race and can she, you know, 1534 01:34:05,320 --> 01:34:07,880 break 220 and, and do all that sort of thing, but. 1535 01:34:08,840 --> 01:34:12,080 She I think a performance like this makes makes me start to 1536 01:34:12,080 --> 01:34:14,200 think that she could have American record potential. 1537 01:34:14,840 --> 01:34:17,680 Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. I mean, it could be that she is 1538 01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:21,640 just really good on these kinds of championship races, which is 1539 01:34:21,640 --> 01:34:24,400 not a bad place to be, right? If you're trying to compete at 1540 01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:27,520 Olympics, if you're trying to and you can run Boston and New 1541 01:34:27,520 --> 01:34:32,680 York as an American, if that's what she's amazing at, then then 1542 01:34:32,680 --> 01:34:35,960 that's really good. Because I'm sure like with that, 1543 01:34:35,960 --> 01:34:39,200 I think she will get a year or two where she can podium at 1544 01:34:39,200 --> 01:34:41,640 these races. Because here we had three studs 1545 01:34:41,640 --> 01:34:43,440 on the podium, like three former champions. 1546 01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:46,120 She lost. The only people she lost to in 1547 01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:49,320 this marathon were the three former champions, right? 1548 01:34:49,560 --> 01:34:52,520 So if you imagine that they weren't three former champions 1549 01:34:52,520 --> 01:34:54,480 in this race, could she have got on the podium? 1550 01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:58,400 Quite possibly. Wow, it's kind of that's how she 1551 01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:02,440 ended up running those closing stages of the race, just totally 1552 01:35:02,440 --> 01:35:05,880 solo in no woman's land. Like you look at that chill Chup 1553 01:35:05,880 --> 01:35:12,000 crew 22024, if you don't keep 22249, there was a 2 minute gap 1554 01:35:12,320 --> 01:35:14,600 and then behind her there was almost another two-minute gap 1555 01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:17,320 too, where Andy Frisbee was the next one across the finish line 1556 01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:19,720 in 224. Yeah. 1557 01:35:20,240 --> 01:35:23,080 Why? Real quick how? 1558 01:35:23,160 --> 01:35:27,240 How good did it feel to see Jess Warner Judd back 2/24/45 for her 1559 01:35:27,240 --> 01:35:29,840 debut? Yeah, I mean, it really, really 1560 01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:32,440 amazing. I mean, she's like obviously 1561 01:35:32,440 --> 01:35:35,000 she's had a tough couple of years with with that epilepsy 1562 01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:41,200 diagnosis and to see her find her place, like to find to find 1563 01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:45,520 an event like you, you spoke to her and you know, you saw what 1564 01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:51,520 she said that, you know it. She wasn't sure like, whether 1565 01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:53,400 she's ever going to be able to race on the track again. 1566 01:35:53,400 --> 01:35:57,920 Like managing, just managing those symptoms and managing the 1567 01:35:57,920 --> 01:36:01,680 epilepsy and then being able to to race comfortably without 1568 01:36:01,680 --> 01:36:05,040 fear. And, you know, on debut, like I, 1569 01:36:05,040 --> 01:36:09,360 to be honest, I didn't have as high, I did not expect her to do 1570 01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:12,600 as well as she did. And so it was really a really 1571 01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:15,200 pleasant surprise to see to see that. 1572 01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:19,160 And you know, she's obviously been one of GB's top distance 1573 01:36:19,160 --> 01:36:22,760 runners for a number of years, you know, consistently making 1574 01:36:22,760 --> 01:36:25,200 like 10K teams, 5K teams, etcetera. 1575 01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:29,320 And as you said, you know, she was she's she's gone through all 1576 01:36:29,320 --> 01:36:33,000 the distance if she started at the 800 meters way back when. 1577 01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:36,400 So you know, to graduate up to the marathon. 1578 01:36:36,400 --> 01:36:39,560 You can see London now, right? You know, the London Marathon 1579 01:36:40,720 --> 01:36:43,080 from a British perspective becomes really exciting because 1580 01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:45,960 you've got Alish Mccolgan, you've got just Warner Judd and 1581 01:36:45,960 --> 01:36:49,240 potentially Kali Orga Thackeray. And if the three of them show up 1582 01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:52,120 to London, that can be really, really fabulous. 1583 01:36:52,600 --> 01:36:55,760 You know, women's race. And, you know, on the men's 1584 01:36:55,760 --> 01:36:58,880 side, you've got Paddy Diva and Emil Caress and a bunch of other 1585 01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:03,080 guys. And it actually makes, you know, 1586 01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:06,000 both sides really, really good from a British perspective, 1587 01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:09,840 which I think helps the profile of the marathon in the UK as 1588 01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:13,280 well. So yeah, things, things looking 1589 01:37:13,280 --> 01:37:14,520 up for British marathoning, I think. 1590 01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:19,240 Right behind Jess Warner Judd was Emily Sisson in her return 1591 01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:22,520 to marathon in 225 O 5. Given that she's battling some 1592 01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:27,280 illness in the lead up of that taper, she managed to hang 1593 01:37:27,280 --> 01:37:29,080 tough. Get this one on the board. 1594 01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:33,640 Amanda Vestry, 9th place 22540 for her debut. 1595 01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:38,000 Honestly, very impressive and I think that like for her, she's 1596 01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:42,120 taking to the roads super well, that this is a really good start 1597 01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:46,680 to her marathoning career. I think we found out she was the 1598 01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:50,920 4th fastest debut by an American and to do that on a new on a New 1599 01:37:50,920 --> 01:37:53,760 York course is insane, right? And these are the people that 1600 01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:58,240 have debuted faster than her. Fiona O'Keefe Jordan has say, 1601 01:37:58,680 --> 01:38:02,040 and Emily Sisson. And all of them have ended up 1602 01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:05,360 well, except for Fiona, who's super close, ended up on podiums 1603 01:38:05,840 --> 01:38:10,120 at major marathons. Well, Jordan has say and Emily 1604 01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:12,320 Sisson. Yeah, absolutely. 1605 01:38:12,320 --> 01:38:16,480 So I, I, I think that's, that's really promising, you know, 1606 01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:18,760 really promising start to her, to her marathon career. 1607 01:38:19,280 --> 01:38:21,240 Yeah. All right. 1608 01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:25,680 Is there anything else we need to touch on from the New York 1609 01:38:25,680 --> 01:38:27,800 City Marathon? I think that that's about it. 1610 01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:35,160 We will now have some post New York City Marathon recap 1611 01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:40,240 episodes of Lined Up Fiona O'Keefe recording tomorrow, so 1612 01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:42,560 we'll turn that one around pretty quickly. 1613 01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:46,800 Joel Rico, his episode is already out. 1614 01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:50,880 I believe we're gonna try and catch up with Amanda Vestry and 1615 01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:56,600 also maybe Joe Clecker, so the pod will be hot. 1616 01:38:57,320 --> 01:39:02,600 And so an interesting fact about the So Joe Clecker's sister was 1617 01:39:02,600 --> 01:39:05,040 also running this race. She was the 7th. 1618 01:39:05,040 --> 01:39:08,200 She ran really well. Yeah, she was the 17th woman, so 1619 01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:12,240 she nearly, she nearly could have placed higher than than Joe 1620 01:39:12,240 --> 01:39:14,640 and that would have been, that would have been pretty 1621 01:39:14,640 --> 01:39:16,560 hilarious. But yeah, I know she ran. 1622 01:39:16,600 --> 01:39:20,160 She ran amazingly well. Andrea Camara as well so debuted 1623 01:39:20,160 --> 01:39:23,520 in 242 as well. 242 really wow, that's really good for. 1624 01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:24,960 Her so. So that's yeah. 1625 01:39:24,960 --> 01:39:27,760 So a couple of really, really good, you know, interesting 1626 01:39:27,760 --> 01:39:31,240 results further down as well from from a couple of couple 1627 01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:34,760 people so. We had the Cities Mac Run Club 1628 01:39:34,760 --> 01:39:39,400 make its soft launch debut at the New York City Marathon. 1629 01:39:40,600 --> 01:39:48,080 Our top athlete was Anna Giroux, former US 1500 meter US 1630 01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:53,960 Championship qualifier back at the I believe it's 2020 2 or 1631 01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:59,800 2023 US Championships and now Mader Marathon debut 252 pretty 1632 01:39:59,800 --> 01:40:03,080 solid. We had Allie Fordyce and Melissa 1633 01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:10,600 Reed run 255 S 3 sub three hour performances by. 1634 01:40:11,280 --> 01:40:14,240 So it seems like we have a very strong Prince and Tigers 1635 01:40:14,440 --> 01:40:16,960 pipeline to the Seduce Mag Run club. 1636 01:40:17,480 --> 01:40:21,600 We'll be releasing more details as this run club takes form. 1637 01:40:21,960 --> 01:40:24,880 So we have a little small chapter of friends who are 1638 01:40:24,880 --> 01:40:28,360 running under the banner in New York City, including myself. 1639 01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:32,040 I haven't run a New York Rd. runners race in well over a year 1640 01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:34,160 at this point. I need to change that, sign up 1641 01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:39,440 and go run something. But yeah, we don't really have, 1642 01:40:40,360 --> 01:40:42,760 like, meetups. We just kind of all, we're just 1643 01:40:42,760 --> 01:40:45,120 friends right now who just text each other and want to run and 1644 01:40:45,120 --> 01:40:49,400 represent Sidious. But there is some thought being 1645 01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:52,320 put, and I'm going to float this out there and gauge and see what 1646 01:40:52,320 --> 01:40:55,840 the interest is. Like if people are interested in 1647 01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:58,800 our Spotify comment section or you can DM us. 1648 01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:06,840 We're thinking that Mac, Eric and Aisha are three former pro 1649 01:41:06,920 --> 01:41:11,000 runners, could be coaches for the Cities Mack Run Club. 1650 01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:14,360 Mack's got tremendous coaching experience and then the other 1651 01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:17,000 two have been coached by some of the best coaches in the world. 1652 01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:21,160 So we'll see. Maybe we start to think about 1653 01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:27,880 taking 10, five to 10 runners and having them be coached by 1654 01:41:28,120 --> 01:41:32,960 Eric or Aisha or Mack in the lead up to the Boston Marathon 1655 01:41:34,640 --> 01:41:39,520 or some other spring races. So if you're interested, shoot 1656 01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:46,120 us Adm on Instagram or an e-mail citiusmag@gmail.com and we can 1657 01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:49,400 try and flesh out this idea. Right now, Citius Mag Run Club 1658 01:41:49,400 --> 01:41:56,240 is just a nebulous group of friends who are rocking free 1659 01:41:56,240 --> 01:41:59,760 advertising for Citius Mag during these races. 1660 01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,600 So stay tuned for more details on that or if you're interested, 1661 01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:05,120 shoot us a note. So thanks everyone for 1662 01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:07,720 listening. We'll be back next week. 1663 01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:10,040 What are we going to talk about after this weekend? 1664 01:42:10,040 --> 01:42:13,160 What do we got? I'm sure every week we say that 1665 01:42:13,160 --> 01:42:15,560 and then there's always like a whole load of news. 1666 01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:17,480 There's always more stuff to talk about. 1667 01:42:18,320 --> 01:42:20,560 And yeah, I'm sure we'll, we'll find something. 1668 01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:22,880 Well, hopefully we'll get access to the Yakim Ingebritsen 1669 01:42:23,640 --> 01:42:25,040 documentary at some point. And we? 1670 01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:27,240 Can, but does this feel like the first weekend without like any 1671 01:42:27,240 --> 01:42:30,040 major race? Yeah. 1672 01:42:30,080 --> 01:42:33,280 I mean, I guess, yeah. There isn't, there isn't 1673 01:42:33,280 --> 01:42:34,880 anything. Yeah. 1674 01:42:35,160 --> 01:42:36,640 No, nothing. Nothing obvious. 1675 01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:40,120 I mean, we can start hyping up, you know, xe we could. 1676 01:42:40,360 --> 01:42:42,440 I mean, I, I have a few interesting topics that I'll 1677 01:42:42,440 --> 01:42:45,000 flake with you. Just kind of we haven't had a 1678 01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:47,600 chance to talk about some of the kind of more bigger picture kind 1679 01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:51,360 of how we feel about next year's schedule, what we think our 1680 01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:54,120 favorite athletes should be doing next year in terms of that 1681 01:42:54,480 --> 01:42:56,600 they've got. There's quite a lot of stuff we 1682 01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:59,520 can maybe talk about that we don't normally get to talk about 1683 01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:02,720 because there is news or races etcetera to talk about. 1684 01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:04,720 So we can pick up on some of those things. 1685 01:43:05,120 --> 01:43:07,760 I like your ideas. That's why we have you on as a 1686 01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:11,520 recurrent Co host Preet. All right, thanks everyone for 1687 01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:13,280 listening. We'll catch you next week. 1688 01:43:15,560 --> 01:43:17,120 Thank you all for listening to this episode. 1689 01:43:17,120 --> 01:43:19,160 This episode was produced by Jasmine Fair. 1690 01:43:19,360 --> 01:43:22,040 I love doing this for you guys. So please do me a favor and 1691 01:43:22,040 --> 01:43:24,800 leave a five star view on Apple Podcast or Spotify. 1692 01:43:24,800 --> 01:43:27,440 That helps us grow the show and get even more awesome guests. 1693 01:43:27,920 --> 01:43:29,480 Let me know what you're enjoying about the show. 1694 01:43:29,720 --> 01:43:32,000 Make sure you're subscribed or following on your favorite 1695 01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:33,800 podcast. 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