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All right, runners joining me 
now on the stage, I want to make

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sure I get their titles 
correctly. 

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We're going to start off by 
bringing up Kenny Krotzer, who's

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the senior innovation footwear 
developer at Brooks with over a 

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decade of experience on the 
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Let's give it up for Kenny now. 
We've also got Jess McClain 

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joining us. 
She was the top American at the 

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Boston Marathon last year. 
Getting ready for another big 

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day on Monday. 
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running Kenny, I guess. 
How are you feeling for your 

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race? 
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vibes, not racing, cheering for 
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Jess, that's the big question. 
How are you feeling in the days 

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leading up to the race? 
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It's been awesome to hang at the
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everybody and yeah, finally be 
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What are the emotions, I guess, 
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like returning to Boston, 
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sort of marathon? 
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What are the memories, I guess 
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for race day? 
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I think I did a really good job 
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having fun and kind of 
celebrating once I got here. 

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getting some R&R, but yeah, had 
some magical moments last year 

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and not trying to necessarily 
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hopefully have some new magic 
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yeah. 
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this for you? 
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in the city and the reason why 
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watching Jess like as she was 
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we had an HQ viewing party or we
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frantically looking up marathons
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because like I have to be there 
next year. 

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So super excited. 
And Jess, you inspired it. 

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Thanks Kenny. 
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college at Stanford together. 
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the same recruiting visit. 
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So we go way back. 
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What's it been like? 
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the innovation side of things 
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of over the last couple years, 
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Brooks athletes, especially, you
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It's been an amazing adventure 
and it's been like the hard work

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of so many people. 
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training camp with all the 
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product team, we had the the run
research team, we had the 

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athletes, we had the sports 
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into their race day, we're just 
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They're doing most of the work, 
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advantage we can give, like we 
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day. 
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photos we see on Instagram is 
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summits where you're able to go 
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they're like, what? 
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And like, how cool is that to be
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It's awesome. 
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we have 2 summit camps a year. 
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site. 
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and then one in the summer will 
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you know, product and well, 
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those, you know, team members to
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out of the office and come to 
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But it's really fun to go to 
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everything that's changing, meet
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where they are every single day.
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it's, you know, it's, it's cool 
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products in the moment. 
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after talking to the product 
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into like the iteration that 
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to slip different shoes on or 
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So really cool to connect 
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That's super special. 
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Elite 6 gave us a little bit of 
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lesson. 
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remember 2018 Dez wearing like 
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that she won in. 
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may who see the number six, like
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12345 to get to this point? 
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well like 2018 Dez. 
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pair less than a week before 
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huge risk, tried the shoe, loved
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most like amazing Boston win 
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hyper focused. 
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dedicated only to racing 
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That's all we think about. 
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24/7, but it's just been such a 
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I've been on the team for five 
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racing for five and the team 
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Just everybody loving their job 
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to get these these guys lined up
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advantage. 
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they've all kind of come out in 
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athlete has sort of like their 
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just taking the four, taking the
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last three basically? 
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things are innovating so fast. 
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be building shoes. 
If you are asleep, another brand

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is awake, right? 
It's like we're pumping 200 mile

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weeks out here basically. 
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really about how can we get the 
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quickly as possible because we 
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advantage. 
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looking at the whole system, the
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our athletes feet with their 
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to optimize their pressure? 
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CJ and I holding it down not 
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shoes are so good. 
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finally got my hands on the 
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I got the sixes and I put them 
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in Phoenix. 
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collection team. 
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on the data. 
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of my personal metrics, but I 
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such a good job of relaying to 
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the product that lands in your 
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to our beats B2. 
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cool to know that not only are 
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but like for you guys, like 
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everybody wants to feel good. 
Everybody wants to have shoes 

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that aren't going to give them 
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strong on that last left turn. 
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So for you, if it's not like the

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data, like, what is it that 
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asking for feedback? 
What do you provide? 

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It's a great question. 
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lab and just test, you know, 
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different shoes. 
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I, it's, I feel like everybody 
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Like when you, you turn on a 
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I'm not forcing, you're not 
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increased my mileage a little 
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mile, like 22 mile runs, I feel 
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But a lot of it is just the the 
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have now is is amazing and lends
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limits a little bit more. 
So Kenny, I guess like that's on

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the on the elite side of things.
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are just like the everyday 
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chasing personal best, like, how
does the six, you know, fit into

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sort of like their rotation? 
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the six almost every day 
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So you can use this shoe for 
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you you know, if you were 
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six is great for workouts. 
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it, it will be good for that. 
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it's going to shine. 
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about the marathon and I like, 
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to just sort of super shoes and 
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World Athletics came out with 
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said, all right, well, this is 
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that you have as, you know, a 
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everyone's gotten creative with 
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midsoles and foams. 
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of like the next tier going now 
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of leveling up? 
It feels like is it foam? 

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The foam that the foam is in 
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you are asleep, like I said 
earlier, like another company's 

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going to have a way better foam.
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focusing is on that the 
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What's it been like for you? 
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with everything It's. 
It's been a journey. 

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It's been wild. 
I mean, that's why we've had a 

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shoe come out and most brands 
don't have a super shoe come out

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every single year. 
We're very unique and it's been 

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a lot of work, but it's it's 
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it on their feet as soon as 
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We need people out there who 
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We want them to experience that 
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So we work our our butts off to 
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everybody. 
It's, it's fun to be on the 

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summit trips with these guys 
because we always as the 

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athletes were like, what are the
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Cuz they're always, they're not 
wearing shoes that are like, you

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like they're thinking so, so far
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I think when I was in Phoenix, 

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you handed me like 4 prototypes 
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surveys, you know, about each 
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so open to feedback. 
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because obviously as an athlete,
you know, how much time has gone

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you feel, you know, not bad to 
give feedback, but they're like,

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literally the more feedback, the
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Let us know how it feels on your
feet. 

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If there's anything off, let us 
know. 

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And they're just so open to and 
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they are so like invested in in 
the feedback process is key too.

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So Kenny, how far into the 
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Because like, I know sort of at 
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Like a lot of people think in 
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2028 feels like it's it's scary 
right around the corner. 

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It is right around the corner. 
Like at this point 28 shoes are 

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done right or? 
No, you know, we're working fast

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on everything. 
We're, yeah, we're looking. 

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I mean, this comes out in 
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we're looking at 2027. 
What can we do really quickly in

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Obviously 2028 is me a big year,

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but we're thinking like out to 
Brisbane 32. 

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That's wow. 
We're building that road map, 

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building that innovation 
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Very cool. 
All right, So Jess, let's talk a

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little bit about just sort of 
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Boston, like in terms of the 
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it look I guess compared to last
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successful day? 
Like was it just rented back or 

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like did you try some new things
to turn around? 

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I it was a little similar. 

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I did a similar racing schedule.
I did Atlanta and then I did the

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10, so I got on. 
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I like to stay on the track and 
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It just gives me confidence and 
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I did an all comers meet with 
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mile back in January was so fun.
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the Mesa marathon where I did my
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race more and I, I love racing 
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quality long run, which is a 
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of my, you know, teammates and 
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all that going on. 
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similar. 
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intensity a little bit. 
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similar to last year that 
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things and took no unplanned 
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a little bit for about a day or 
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consistent and great build, so 
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Yeah. 
So, OK, briefly on Atlanta, not 

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to just like dig up old wounds 
like I guess what did you sort 

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of like learn or take away from 
just sort of that that whole 

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definitely weird. 
Like nobody. 

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I think if if you've gone off 
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don't know, for like a few steps
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like no, no, I'll get back on 
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through the cones. 
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just in the moment. 
Obviously it was a lot of. 

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Very emotional. 
Expletives going through my head

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at the point of time, but I 
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just more confident in like why 
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me joy and like how I get value 
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And a lot of it isn't. 
I mean, obviously I I would have

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loved to win and walked away 
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Team spot. 
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place finishes in 2024 and last 
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there's always another 
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and I'm not defined by a result 
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unfolding. 
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I think that's also just sort of
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think you've resonated with such
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and then give your best 
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then you just keep keep trying 
and that day is going to come. 

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And so what's it been like? 
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something like a marathon 
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one thing to receive sort of 
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Instagram and like the comments,
but these are your people too, I

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think like, and you finally get 
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Oh, it's so fun. 
I think that's the magic of 

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Boston is all the action is so 
close. 

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Like Newberry, like everything's
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Boylston. 
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people that love to do the same 
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And we're all here for different
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ones. 
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ourselves on race day and 
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everything it took to get here. 
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with everybody and honestly, 
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Patriots Day, everybody's, you 
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Monday and the whole city shuts 
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So it's just such a special 
historical weekend. 

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What's your favorite part of 
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I love, I think I, I was saying 
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longer I can kind of stay on 
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the race, the better. 
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of let myself come out of that 
in Wellesley through the scream 

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tunnel, through some high fives.
Emma Bates is doing the same 

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thing. 
And I we were there with Sarah 

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Hall, who was, we were just 
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And I think that's the first 
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like, OK, this is the magic of 
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heartbreak is is pretty, it's 
pretty nice too. 

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So usually Wellesley is when I 
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the excitement of Boston. 
So how have you gone about just 

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sort of goal setting for for 
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Like what? 
What's going to make you happy 

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getting back on the plane to 
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Tuesday or Wednesday, whenever 
you're heading back. 

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Yeah, I don't, man. 
I don't. 

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I think my goals are just so 
obvious. 

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Like I don't have to talk about 
them at home with my coach. 

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You know, I I want to make the 
team in 2028 and working back 

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from there. 
I want to get top five in podium

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at world majors and take the 
first American spot. 

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And I think that's in line with 
a lot of my teammates, Brooks 

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teammates who will be lining up 
on Monday. 

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But I think, yeah, a lot of my 
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known with those in my camp that
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them. 
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me, but I'm not holding them so 
tightly and like riding them on 

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my mirror. 
So I'm looking at them every day

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because I just I don't need 
that. 

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I think with with Monday 
particularly, an obvious answer 

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would be like I want to recreate
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different race. 
It's basically like a world or 

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world US championship wrapped 
into a world major. 

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It's so stacked. 
So I think getting back on the 

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plane, I'd be happy with just 
knowing I left no stone unturned

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and I didn't leave many what 
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Like I, I want to be more 
aggressive and but be smart in 

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that. 
Yeah, I think it's it's a year 

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where Americans can land on the 
podium for sure. 

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How do you feel about Amanda's 
prediction of a Brooks sweep? 

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I love it and I love Amanda. 
So no. 

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And it's been so awesome to have
Amanda on the team. 

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She works with David as well, 
our coach and the fact that 

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she's my Brooks teammate. 
I think I was so stoked when 

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Brooks. 
I feel like they saw the magic 

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in her so early and she showed 
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track in a Brooks kit and I was 
like, hell yeah, like, let's go.

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I think I scared the crap out of
her. 

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I went up to her in the the 
check in tent and I just like 

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kind of threw my arms around her
and I was like, we're teammates.

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This is awesome. 
And she's been such an amazing 

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addition to, you know, the 
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team. 
So watch out for her Monday. 

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I know I am. 
All right, so final question, 

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which I'm sure is on a lot of 
people's minds, Kenny included, 

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probably. 
What's your tip for someone 

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running the Boston Marathon on 
on Monday course or whatever it 

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is? 
Guess this is this is your first

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Boston. 
I've never run. 

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This is all you, Jess. 
You tell me. 

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Oh my gosh, I think, you know, 
it's, it's definitely OK to, to 

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be conservative in the first 
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I think, you know, it's that we 
all know it's slightly downhill 

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the first like 10 miles or so. 
And you can let the adrenaline 

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kind of baby get a little too 
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So I think it's OK to take like 
soak in the start line, take a 

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breath. 
There's so much time to to 

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course correct in a marathon. 
So like it's OK if something 

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goes awry a little bit here or 
there. 

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It's just trust in your training
and your preparation and just be

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adaptable and and stay curious. 
And I think you have to 

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celebrate getting to the start 
line. 

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That's you'll hear a ton of pros
say that it's such a battle to 

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get there healthy and excited 
and ready to go and let yourself

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just enjoy moments of the course
and the magic that is Boston and

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that last left turn. 
Soak it in. 

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It is so fun. 
I think I let myself just enjoy 

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that last year. 
And I think that was the my 

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biggest take away was like 
actually soaking in that moment.

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It's one of like the most lucid,
like last, you know, 200 meter 

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memories of a race that I've 
ever had. 

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So I just wish you all the, the 
exact race and day that you 

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want. 
And if it it doesn't go the way 

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you planned that that is OK. 
There's plenty of marathons 

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around the corner. 
But yeah, good luck and, and 

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just trust, trust in all your 
prep. 

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You got it. 
All right, we've got time for 

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one or two questions from the 
audience. 

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If anyone's got anything for 
Jess or Kenny. 

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Anything. 
You get to pick the brains of 

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these geniuses. 
Marathoning geniuses. 

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Yeah. 
Oh. 

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Any superstitions? 
I used to have a few, but I 

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think I've let those go because 
I, you know, if I didn't have 

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the right pair of socks or the 
right blah, blah, blah, I'd like

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freak out. 
So I think I've, I've let most 

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of those go. 
I, I mean, obviously with it's 

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more like about routine and like
getting in the breakfast and you

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know, I do the bicarb and all 
the things. 

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So it's timing of all those 
things. 

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I'll definitely carry like an 
extra gel with me to the start 

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line and I'll usually take one 
before. 

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I'll also tuck one in my shorts 
in my pocket. 

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It's mostly like prep and 
routine related. 

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Not so much like superstition 
anymore, but I like to also, I 

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like to wear this is more for 
the the girls, but I don't know,

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like wear jewelry, make it fun, 
get ready in the morning, kind 

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of make it feel like something 
fun's about to happen. 

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So I kind of soak in the the 
getting ready process too, even 

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if even if it's early. 
Yeah, we got one more. 

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Breakfast. 
Yeah, since it's a later start, 

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what kind of breakfast do you 
have? 

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What are you going to eat? 
Kenny I. 

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Have not thought about that. 
Do you still? 

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Do you still have an iron 
stomach? 

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I feel like you. 
Didn't. 

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Yeah, yeah, I'll probably eat a 
pretty good breakfast, just like

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a standard day. 
Yeah, I'll probably, I usually 

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do simple carbs. 
So I'll do like literally 

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anything, croissant, muffin or 
bagel. 

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And then I'll get some protein 
also like a little bit of 

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breakfast sausage or egg, mostly
carbohydrate. 

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And then I'll, I'll sip on a 
Gatorade, still munch on some 

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carbs on the bus because it is 
such a long bus ride. 

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And then always taking 
carbohydrates up until the start

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line. 
So I'll have like a gel. 

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I usually go caffeinated gel 
right before if I'm feeling like

446
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,040
I need a caffeine hit. 
But yeah, simple. 

447
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,440
I'll start to eat very simply 
probably tonight. 

448
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,040
Keep it pretty limited to like, 
not too much fiber or weird 

449
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:22,720
vegetables, anything like that. 
Pretty much. 

450
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:23,600
Carbs, protein. 
Nice. 

451
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:25,840
Yeah, 1. 
More yeah, like what is the 

452
00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:35,280
practice of like? 
Good question. 

453
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,160
Yeah, prep for Boston being 
colder this year. 

454
00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,200
Yeah, I'm still kind of ironing 
out exactly what I'm going to 

455
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,240
try to wear to the start line. 
I am from Phoenix, so I ideally 

456
00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,760
am like lizard climates is my 
like optimal training and racing

457
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,160
temperature. 
But I, yeah, I'll probably wear 

458
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:57,360
gloves, arm sleeve, some sort of
ear warmer hat. 

459
00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:01,480
And then especially for you guys
who are in the lighter waves, 

460
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,280
like stay warm, have throwaway 
clothes, half zip, keep your 

461
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:11,600
head warm, sweatpants and wear 
that up until the last minute. 

462
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,760
You like stay, stay as warm as 
you can. 

463
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,960
But I think last year I was like
the only one on the start line 

464
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,920
with gloves. 
I think I had gloves last year 

465
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,320
and it was like I don't even 
know high 60s. 

466
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,400
Have you ever raced with arm 
sleeves? 

467
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:25,360
I've never raced with arm 
sleeves. 

468
00:23:25,360 --> 00:23:28,400
Yeah, so I'm trying something 
new on Monday. 

469
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:33,040
Pro tip I got from MEB, which is
probably some good advice, is if

470
00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,080
you're running with arm sleeves,
this goes for everyone. 

471
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,720
Roll them down when you start to
feel warm. 

472
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,760
Don't throw them away because 
you never know if like you're 

473
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,640
going to start to feel cold 
again in the second-half of the 

474
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:46,080
race then. 
And so he's like, I made that 

475
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,120
mistake in one of my early 
marathons, and then he's like, 

476
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,560
Yep, And he got cold. 
And so that's a pro tip. 

477
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:53,800
There you go. 
That's a pro tip. 

478
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,080
Yeah. 
No, but I think it's OK to to 

479
00:23:56,120 --> 00:24:00,080
wear, you know, warm clothes as 
long as you need to even into 

480
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,000
race start, you can toss them 
off. 

481
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,840
I think there's people that are 
collecting clothes along the 

482
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,160
chorus and donating them. 
So yes, just stay warm. 

483
00:24:08,120 --> 00:24:10,760
Awesome. 
Well, let's give it up for Jess 

484
00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,400
and Kenny and best of luck to 
the both of you. 

485
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:14,840
Thank you. 
Running on Monday and. 

486
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,680
Best of luck to. 
Everyone else who is racing and 

487
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,640
enjoy the rest of marathon 
weekend, woo woo. 

488
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:21,520
Yeah.