1
00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:08,160
All right, it is November 18th 
and we are just days away from 

2
00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:13,040
the 2025 NCAA Division One Cross
Country Championships. 

3
00:00:13,520 --> 00:00:17,960
Right as we jumped on to record 
this, Isaac said. 

4
00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:23,000
Man, you're sick. 
And yes, if you can tell by the 

5
00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:26,360
tone of my voice, I've been 
battling a cold for the past 

6
00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,560
couple days. 
I will not be going to the NCAA 

7
00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,920
Championships. 
Paul Hoff Mahoney will be 

8
00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:35,720
holding it down with Isaac. 
Jasmine Fair will be on site 

9
00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:37,800
getting interviews for the 
squad. 

10
00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:41,800
So the show goes on. 
I actually won't even be in the 

11
00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:46,760
USI will be going on a little 
bit of a family vacation over 

12
00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:51,440
the next week. 
So if everything goes awry with 

13
00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:57,440
Sidious over the next week or 
so, it's because I'm nowhere 

14
00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,440
near my computer and stuff. 
So let's hope for the best. 

15
00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:04,879
But today we are obviously 
joined by the cross country guru

16
00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:07,680
himself, the Wood Report, Isaac 
Wood. 

17
00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,240
Isaac, is this sort of like 
Super Bowl week for you where it

18
00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,520
starts to like as it gets closer
and closer, you get more and 

19
00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:18,800
more excited. 
Yeah, it's it's, you know, might

20
00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,040
be the best week of the year, 
right? 

21
00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,280
I think especially with the 
regionals on Friday and then 

22
00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,880
just eight days later being NCAA
S, it's it's a great time to be 

23
00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:32,000
a fan of it's AA cross country 
and especially with the 

24
00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:37,600
storylines we have and really 
just how, you know, I don't know

25
00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,200
if it's up in the air, but I 
don't know if like, I think we 

26
00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:42,320
have some favourites, but I 
don't know if we've gone into an

27
00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:47,200
NCAA's where it wasn't like, I 
feel like last year, like there 

28
00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:48,680
were some teams that we thought 
could win. 

29
00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:53,160
And I obviously didn't pick BYU 
to win either one, but I think 

30
00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,400
we all kind of thought that that
might happen, right, Didn't we? 

31
00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,480
Yeah, we did on site. 
And like, here's the thing and 

32
00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,600
people need to get off Isaac's 
case on some of this because 

33
00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:08,479
he's in a no win situation here.
If the projections say that BYU 

34
00:02:08,479 --> 00:02:12,200
is going to win and he vocalizes
that, then people call him a 

35
00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,840
Homer because he's picking BYU 
and of his, you know, close ties

36
00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,880
to the programs. 
If he doesn't and BYU still 

37
00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,280
pulls it off, then it people 
just think he's an idiot because

38
00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:29,000
he didn't choose his alma mater.
And so, yeah, this is you're in 

39
00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,680
a no win situation. 
But I you know, because we've 

40
00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,960
been doing this now for three 
plus years, I trust your 

41
00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:39,800
projections and your insights. 
And I think let's see how much 

42
00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:41,240
of it you get right this time 
around. 

43
00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:46,320
So you told me beforehand your 
full projections that you do not

44
00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:51,160
quite ready yet, which is fine 
because we will have you and 

45
00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:55,200
Paul Hoff Mahoney run down your 
final projections when you're on

46
00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:56,880
site. 
And after you talk to some 

47
00:02:56,880 --> 00:03:02,000
coaches and see who's, you know,
looking good on the scouting the

48
00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,080
course and stuff, we're not 
going to have an instance maybe 

49
00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,320
where like what was it 2 years 
ago? 

50
00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,080
Kelsey Camille was like on 
crutches and all of a sudden 

51
00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,480
that sort of changed things at 
the very last moment. 

52
00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,360
Last year, we didn't even know 
who Oklahoma State's top runners

53
00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:17,520
were going to be until like the 
day of. 

54
00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:22,160
So there's still a lot that's 
like left to to chance and, and 

55
00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:26,800
for us to discover on site. 
But yeah, I'm, I'll be curious 

56
00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,680
to see just sort of who you've 
got pegged as some of your top 

57
00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:32,560
contenders. 
And what we'll, what we'll do is

58
00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:35,520
we'll format this in you 
building the case for and 

59
00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,120
against each one of the top 
teams. 

60
00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:40,600
But before we get to that, I do 
kind of want to pick your brain 

61
00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,880
off of regionals. 
So the, you know, the heavy 

62
00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:49,480
favorites all made it through, 
but who were some of your 

63
00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:54,000
surprise Cinderella teams that 
got into the championship that 

64
00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,040
maybe surprised you with a big 
regionals performance? 

65
00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:01,920
On women's side, I mean, I think
Brock Moreau's fighting South 

66
00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,280
Carolina Gamecocks women were 
incredible. 

67
00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:09,440
I think the job that Brock has 
done and just, well, he's been 

68
00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,560
there a year. 
Has it been just a year there? 

69
00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:18,839
Maybe 2 so impressive what they 
built and that's a team that's 

70
00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:22,160
that's going to be better at the
incident blamey then then even 

71
00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:22,960
maybe where they were at the 
reach. 

72
00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,360
Let me in terms of what they 
look like because of their their

73
00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,320
their low sticks. 
And so I think if there's a 

74
00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,760
Cinderella team, I really like 
on the women's side, especially,

75
00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,920
I really, really like South 
Carolina. 

76
00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:38,520
They they they're another 
sleeper team that just maybe we 

77
00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,840
didn't talk about enough 
throughout the year with one 

78
00:04:41,840 --> 00:04:45,960
more on being Northwestern's 
women as well. 

79
00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,000
I like them. 
I think I think this is this is 

80
00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,920
obviously Jill's best team at 
Northwestern. 

81
00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:54,840
She's built it. 
She's kind of built it from the 

82
00:04:54,840 --> 00:04:57,520
ground up too. 
You know, like she's she's got 

83
00:04:57,520 --> 00:04:59,000
there. 
She's been there long enough now

84
00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:00,920
to kind of have the team going 
her way that way. 

85
00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,320
She wants to run it. 
And I think that that's another 

86
00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:05,320
team. 
I can see it. 

87
00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,680
South Carolina and Northwestern,
you know, a case being made that

88
00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:10,360
they're a top ten team, that 
that's AA me. 

89
00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:15,000
Was there, was there anyone who 
you felt like maybe left it a 

90
00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,080
little too close and started 
sweating it out a bit 'cause 

91
00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,840
what I saw some tweet that was 
out there about Alabama, like 

92
00:05:19,840 --> 00:05:22,920
their top three made it through 
like obviously are very 

93
00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:24,520
dominant. 
But then from there, it's sort 

94
00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,760
of like it drops off big time. 
Yeah, my buddy Nick Stein up. 

95
00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,240
I feel bad for him. 
I think nothing worse than than 

96
00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:36,000
than having like, you know, 
you're coaching a meet, right? 

97
00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:37,920
And you're you have to finish 
line area or you're kind of 

98
00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:39,480
seeing your people go through 
the last minute and you go 

99
00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:48,120
UC1UC2UC3. 
Wait, wait, wait, where are 

100
00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:49,600
they? 
You know, like it's starting to 

101
00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:51,640
panic and you're just wondering 
where everyone is. 

102
00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,120
And yeah, I bet he was going 
through it. 

103
00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,960
But you know, the work was done 
in the season to get them the 

104
00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,200
points they needed to make it so
it didn't matter where they 

105
00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:02,720
finished. 
Have to reach me as well as long

106
00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:04,200
as they were third or they could
put someone in. 

107
00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,880
But I, I do think again, that's 
another team with with, with 

108
00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,080
really top, top ended, really 
talented women. 

109
00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:16,440
And they're, you know, despite 
their finish at regionals, they,

110
00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,720
you know, there's a, there's a 
world where you know, they, 

111
00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:21,440
yeah, they're also a top ten 
team, right? 

112
00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,560
So because you know when you can
put three in the top 15, that 

113
00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,720
changes the way things look at 
it's a AA's, right? 

114
00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:29,840
Because that's that's a 
possibility 100%. 

115
00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:37,800
Was there a surprise miss? 
Maybe Gonzaga's women, which is 

116
00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,040
a conference team for me. 
And I think Jake Stewart does a 

117
00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,520
fantastic job. 
And I think that they they have 

118
00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,000
that's a talented program. 
They got two women in, doesn't 

119
00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,720
happen on the day. 
And that's, that's the sport. 

120
00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:52,200
That's that's how it goes. 
And, and the way our regional 

121
00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:55,040
format is and the way the 
qualifying format is, you know, 

122
00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:57,840
it is a bummer because I don't 
actually think the best 32 teams

123
00:06:57,840 --> 00:06:59,480
in the country actually run at 
nationals. 

124
00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:05,760
I think the region meet kind of 
allows for teams that are still,

125
00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:07,960
still good programs, right? 
Of course. 

126
00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,480
But like if we're, if we're, if 
we're now the nitty gritty of 

127
00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:13,280
who are the best 32 teams, like 
you just can't do it regionally 

128
00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:15,960
because it's just, there's not, 
it's not, it's not, it's not 

129
00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,480
equal. 
No one never knows that, right? 

130
00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,320
Like, no, like it's not like 
each region is perfectly, you 

131
00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:26,360
know, you know, balanced across 
the country and it's all fair. 

132
00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,040
It isn't all fair. 
It's not if. 

133
00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,880
It's up to you how many teams 
would come out of the mountain 

134
00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,320
region. 
Maybe the mountain this year was

135
00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:35,640
just OK. 
They're they're just OK. 

136
00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,600
Seriously, I think, I think the 
I think I do think that the best

137
00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,640
region in terms of depth is the 
West. 

138
00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:43,520
Like I mean, like that's a 
that's just so many talented 

139
00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,600
runners individuals as well, 
right? 

140
00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:49,280
Like I mean, if you're top 50 as
a female in or male in that in 

141
00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,440
that race at at at in the West 
region, like you're, you're 

142
00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:57,320
obviously very good. 
Men's side surprise at large 

143
00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:01,080
qualifiers. 
Oklahoma maybe although, I mean,

144
00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,080
I although I thought that they 
would go, you know, they were 

145
00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:11,120
the last team in, but you know, 
the they got it done. 

146
00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,960
They got the points during the 
season and they ran solid at the

147
00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,560
regional meet and and they're 
there. 

148
00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:21,000
They are a team that that kind 
of figured out how to get there.

149
00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,720
And that's, you know, that's how
life works. 

150
00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,520
You, you figure out the figure 
out what it takes to get to the 

151
00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:29,880
place you want to be and then 
you road map your season out to 

152
00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:31,960
make sure it happens. 
And that's what they did. 

153
00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,520
They did. 
They played it perfectly. 

154
00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,400
Yeah, it's kind of surprising 
though, 'cause like what? 

155
00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:41,200
Their core is what Evans be what
Shadrach, Kptu, Tobias, Chariot,

156
00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,640
Ronald and Getich. 
Like you'd think that they'd be 

157
00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,880
more of a sure thing. 
Yeah. 

158
00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,080
Well, I think, I think that goes
to show just how good it, how 

159
00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:53,800
good the, the country is and, 
and how difficult it is to just 

160
00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,920
put together a season. 
I think that's an underrated 

161
00:08:55,920 --> 00:09:00,120
thing is putting together a 
season where you run, you have 

162
00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:04,680
enough of your seven, have B or 
better grade day, you know, B to

163
00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:10,360
8 days every race for what, 635 
or 6 races? 

164
00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:12,720
You know, that's not a simple 
task. 

165
00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,360
And, and, and, you know, in my 
first year as a head coach in 

166
00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,160
Division One, that's one thing 
I've learned is it's, it's 

167
00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,680
tougher than you realize to put 
together to have each each, you 

168
00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:26,160
know, to have five of your seven
or five of your 10, whatever you

169
00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,240
can run in the race, all have a 
pretty good day at once. 

170
00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,520
Like that's not, that's hard. 
It's and it's been humbling for 

171
00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,080
me, you know, like because I 
came from a place where my teams

172
00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,280
were so deep and so good at the 
junior college level, probably 

173
00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,080
didn't really matter as long as 
they were just OK. 

174
00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:42,600
We would still probably end up 
running well, you know, but it's

175
00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,520
so much more competitive and 
it's so good that like it's you 

176
00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,760
know, so I think for Oklahoma, I
just think that that, you know, 

177
00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,360
I think I don't know if enough, 
maybe even have enough credit is

178
00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,800
given to the programs like get 
to the dance, because you 

179
00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,680
realize how hard it is to to do 
it. 

180
00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,120
Anyone who surprised you with 
how good they looked at 

181
00:09:59,120 --> 00:10:01,600
regionals, that kind of changes 
where you think they might 

182
00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:06,160
finish in the top ten, top 15 on
the men's side. 

183
00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:13,000
BYU Honestly, it looked a lot 
better than I think they people 

184
00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,960
thought they were going to. 
And isn't this like, overall, 

185
00:10:16,960 --> 00:10:19,920
like the youngest BYU squad in 
years, right? 

186
00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:24,480
Like, if we look at it, I mean, 
they've got a couple true 

187
00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:28,600
freshmen and the oldest guy of 
the bunch, which is hilarious to

188
00:10:28,680 --> 00:10:30,480
kind of point out, is James 
Corrigan. 

189
00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:34,480
And he's only like, what, 2223? 
Yeah, Yeah. 

190
00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,160
That's the youngest team they've
had in terms of just total of of

191
00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:39,800
the guys who are making the 
biggest impact, right? 

192
00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,320
They've got guys on that team 
that aren't in their COP seven 

193
00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,960
that are a little older, but 
yeah, James is 23, which is 

194
00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:49,680
still in the confines of, you 
know, you could be a 50 year 

195
00:10:49,680 --> 00:10:51,120
guy. 
Like that's not crazy. 

196
00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:55,000
You know, it just definitely 
there's going to be a cohort of,

197
00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,440
of dudes in that race who are 
older than 23, you know what I 

198
00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,200
mean? 
So I don't think that that is a 

199
00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:06,840
wild remark to think that that's
you know, but I do think I do 

200
00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,040
think that they they looked a 
lot better than I think maybe 

201
00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,360
people, I don't know, people 
have written them off, but you 

202
00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:15,400
know, they got production from 
guys that people probably heard 

203
00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,680
of. 
You know, Max Davis, 21st of the

204
00:11:17,680 --> 00:11:20,160
mountain region meet 21st and 
that meet is really good. 

205
00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:21,920
Does anyone even know who Max 
Davis is? 

206
00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,080
No, right. 
That's like the thing that BYU 

207
00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:25,400
does. 
That's just what they do. 

208
00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:27,560
They just there's so much talent
on that pipe. 

209
00:11:27,560 --> 00:11:31,360
And if they can just keep guys 
going long enough and motivated 

210
00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,640
long enough, then you know, 
they're going to be pretty good.

211
00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,960
I mean, they're I think their 
number 7 is a 13. 

212
00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:37,760
The guy who made the instant 
blaze the 5K. 

213
00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:39,600
No one. 
Does anyone know who Luke 

214
00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,920
Grundwig is? 
Not a lot of guys, right? 

215
00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:43,560
That's what I'm saying. 
That's the scary thing about 

216
00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:46,960
them is they just they could put
one together and all of a sudden

217
00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,520
be a podium team. 
But but based on what they look 

218
00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:51,000
like a nutty come. 
I don't think we thought that 

219
00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,760
might be the case this year, but
I think who knows? 

220
00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:59,240
Yeah, they I guess the last 
rankings before the championship

221
00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:02,080
from the coaches hasn't come out
yet, but the one I think pre 

222
00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,080
regionals had them 8th. 
Is that sort of like the 

223
00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,480
benchmark for, you know, they 
are the defending champs, but 

224
00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:13,600
their odds of defending aren't 
probably as high as, you know, 

225
00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,800
you probably would would think 
'cause this is basically a new 

226
00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,200
squad. 
Yeah, yeah. 

227
00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,960
I mean defending, if they if 
they defend, then that it's 

228
00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,960
probably at Ice Stone's greatest
coaching job of his career. 

229
00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,480
Oh my God, yeah. 
Yeah, I mean, I think and, and I

230
00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:29,520
don't, and I don't even mean for
that to be unfair. 

231
00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:34,080
Obviously he's done a great job.
I just think that that's, you 

232
00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:36,280
know, I think that they that, 
that, that, you know, they 

233
00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:37,760
haven't looked like that team 
all year, but maybe they're 

234
00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,240
coming along and maybe that's a 
part of it. 

235
00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,520
You know, another team that I 
think looked just really good 

236
00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,440
out of their region that maybe 
hasn't gotten the credit that 

237
00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:47,280
they should be getting in 
Syracuse, man. 

238
00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,040
They're up to. 
They were up to 4th in the in 

239
00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,560
the rankings before that. 
Yeah, yeah, and I think that 

240
00:12:54,560 --> 00:12:57,280
that's fair. 
I don't to be honest, I don't 

241
00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:00,600
even know if that maybe maybe me
saying that means that we just 

242
00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:01,640
weren't talking about them 
enough. 

243
00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,400
No, you know, don't think they 
were getting like they might be 

244
00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:07,480
getting credit with the coaches,
but maybe it with with and maybe

245
00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:09,320
that's just in my brain. 
But I think and in general, I 

246
00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,600
would say that there was enough 
conversation around. 

247
00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,000
Wait, Syracuse is good. 
That's like, that's like that's,

248
00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,720
that's, that's a, like Nolan's 
going to think you're crazy 

249
00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:20,080
because say, Syracuse is on the 
podium. 

250
00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:25,120
Yeah, we'll we'll go and build a
case for and against them when 

251
00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,800
we dive into just the the top 
contenders. 

252
00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,560
But who's your surprise miss on 
the men's side? 

253
00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:34,360
I mean, that's an obvious 1, 
isn't it? 

254
00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:40,000
Stanford's men, Yeah. 
Again, I think it goes back to 

255
00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:44,760
just how hard it is to have the 
season go exactly how you want 

256
00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,360
to go and have the depth you 
need to to get it done. 

257
00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,880
Stanford has obviously lots of 
talented guys on that roster. 

258
00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:54,800
And just, you know, sometimes I 
think you get through the middle

259
00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,840
of the year and if and if you're
not in that top seven, sometimes

260
00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:01,400
guys can check out and if 
they're not dialed all the way 

261
00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:03,360
through the season and then 
because if someone gets hurt, 

262
00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:04,440
that's like, wait, I got step 
up. 

263
00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,520
And then but their brains not 
there, you know, they kind of 

264
00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,760
they lost the edge a little bit 
and getting that edge back is 

265
00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:10,040
really hard. 
Takes a special town. 

266
00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,120
A lot of guys can do that. 
And so I think I think that 

267
00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,880
that's kind of a case for like 
Stanford had Paul Bergeron 

268
00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:17,520
running really well and they, 
they're probably planning on 

269
00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:19,760
having the Youngs there. 
And, and you know, I think Kevin

270
00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:21,840
Noonan showed some good progress
is a true freshman, but I just 

271
00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,960
don't think I, I think that, you
know, as a season 1, it just 

272
00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,720
didn't quite come together And, 
and it's still a younger ish 

273
00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:31,480
team And, and that regional 10K 
is tough. 

274
00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:33,880
And the way that West regional 
was running, I mean, I was 

275
00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,000
there. 
They, the guys jogged for, for, 

276
00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:38,440
for the first 2 miles and then 
just went boom. 

277
00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:42,400
Like, like the move was crazy. 
Like all of a sudden it was like

278
00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,920
there was a mass of guys all 
running about the same pace. 

279
00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:47,640
And all of a sudden it was like,
here's the real, here's the real

280
00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,160
dudes and here's everybody else,
you know? 

281
00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,040
And I think that that might have
been a tough move for some of 

282
00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:57,480
those guys to cover as well. 
This episode of the Cities Mac 

283
00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,840
podcast is presented by 
Lollipop. 

284
00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,800
Fall has finally shown up. 
The air is a little sharper. 

285
00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:09,080
The light turns gold. 
Yeah, it's that time of year 

286
00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,520
again. 
Last year, I was told that my ad

287
00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:16,040
read for Lollipop Crisp Apple 
was weirdly sensual. 

288
00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,720
I'll take it because honestly, 
this flavor deserves it. 

289
00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:24,120
And guess what? 
It's back for good this time. 

290
00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,680
Crisp Apple. 
It's like sparkling apple juice 

291
00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,800
meets those gummy apple rings 
from your childhood. 

292
00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:36,520
Sweet, fizzy, comforting. 
Kind of like nostalgia in a can.

293
00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,640
It actually started as a holiday
special, but people went 

294
00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:45,320
absolutely wild for it. 
You begged, lollipop listened, 

295
00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,240
and now it's officially part of 
the family. 

296
00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:52,680
Same appalicious taste, new 
golden can. 

297
00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,400
Like every lollipop, it's made 
with real ingredients that do 

298
00:15:56,400 --> 00:16:01,160
some good. 50 calories, 5 grams 
of sugar and that Ollie Smart 

299
00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,080
blend full of prebiotics and 
plant fiber that help your gut 

300
00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:07,760
feel right. 
Co founders Ben Goodwin and 

301
00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,000
David Lester built it from 
Memories Crisp cider. 

302
00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:12,880
Apple orchards. 
A little. 

303
00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:17,200
Apricot twist. 
The perfect balance of cozy and 

304
00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,760
bright. 
So here's the old traditions and

305
00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,920
new favorites. 
Crisp Apple is back, crisp to 

306
00:16:24,920 --> 00:16:28,400
its core and here to stay. 
You could find Lollipop at 

307
00:16:28,400 --> 00:16:32,840
Target, Whole Foods, Walmart, or
just head to drinklollipop.com 

308
00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,320
and use code SIDIOUS 25 for 25% 
off your orders. 

309
00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,240
You are not going to find a 
better deal on the Internet for 

310
00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,560
Lollipop. 
Go ahead, crack one open, 

311
00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:48,080
breathe in that fall air and 
feel good about it. 

312
00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:59,280
Lollipop, the runner Soda. 
All right, let's dive in to the 

313
00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,760
top contenders on the women's 
side. 

314
00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,400
Let's go. 
I'm looking at the last coach's 

315
00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,000
poll. 
And so I'm just kind of 

316
00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,599
surveying like what schools 
would be fun to talk about. 

317
00:17:10,599 --> 00:17:15,760
So we'll go top 6 on each side 
and you tell me the case for and

318
00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:20,520
against them. 
And also just sort of, I guess 

319
00:17:20,839 --> 00:17:23,240
what is their sort of best case 
scenario? 

320
00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:25,560
So for some of these, you know, 
'cause we're doing 6, it could 

321
00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:29,520
be the podium versus the win, 
but I feel like you could build 

322
00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,680
a case for how each one of these
teams win. 

323
00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,480
So on the women's side, we'll 
start off with Oregon, who you 

324
00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,280
picked to win the whole thing 
last year. 

325
00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,760
And then that wasn't the case. 
I'll bring it up. 

326
00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:47,320
So what is the case for Oregon 
to win or podium this year? 

327
00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:48,840
What do you think is their best 
case scenario? 

328
00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,320
Can they win? 
Oh, they can win. 

329
00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:55,520
Yeah. 
I mean, I might, I might pick 

330
00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,400
them to win again. 
Second time's the charm. 

331
00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:00,120
Maybe. 
We'll see. 

332
00:18:00,120 --> 00:18:02,920
We'll see how I feel on. 
We'll see how I feel on Friday 

333
00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,200
when we do this again. 
But. 

334
00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:08,920
How did they how did they pull 
it off? 

335
00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,280
Yeah, they needed they needed 
they need a big run from Dalia 

336
00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:16,000
Frias. 
And I think she's coming along 

337
00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,400
and she's starting to figure out
into the blade cross country and

338
00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,480
she's getting more and more 
confident, which is where you 

339
00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,640
want your young athletes to be 
at the end of the season. 

340
00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,160
You want them to be coming off 
of a regional race or a 

341
00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,960
confidence race thinking, wait, 
I now know how to do this. 

342
00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,160
You know, sometimes that 
confidence you can only get the 

343
00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:36,160
confidence from the experience 
from the time, you know, paid. 

344
00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:39,080
So I think she's going to get 
she's going to keep coming 

345
00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:40,440
along. 
I still think they haven't seen 

346
00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,520
the best day from Mia Barnett 
and I think she's due. 

347
00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,760
And so when you get and Annika 
Thompson's the most steady, Oh 

348
00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,920
my gosh, just so steady. 
Like, you know what, you're 

349
00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:50,560
getting mad. 
Like she's going to be top, 

350
00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,520
she's going to be 40th, you 
know, or Top 40. 

351
00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,560
Like she's that's where she is. 
She's so steady. 

352
00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,960
So we get, you know, you, we get
Trotich and Cherubit and Chilana

353
00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:00,320
yieldies are still getting 
better too. 

354
00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,320
Still coming off of that from 
from running all summer long, 

355
00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,280
you know, racing all summer 
long. 

356
00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,560
I mean, to now, now she's had a 
back into the racing swing of 

357
00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,360
things here. 
You know, they've got three 

358
00:19:12,360 --> 00:19:17,160
women that potentially on the 
right day or top top 15 with 

359
00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,360
Thompson, Frias, Barnett maybe 
in the Top 40 range. 

360
00:19:20,360 --> 00:19:22,000
That's a recipe for winning 
letting. 

361
00:19:22,360 --> 00:19:23,400
We're not talking about just 
podium. 

362
00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:24,960
I mean, I think podium is for 
Oregon. 

363
00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,600
Like how I think, I think that's
a that that's, that's a that's 

364
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:33,200
the bot goal for them is, is the
podium. 

365
00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:36,120
I think that like top end is 
they they can do the whole 

366
00:19:36,120 --> 00:19:39,160
thing. 
Case against Is it just sort of 

367
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,400
what happened last year happens 
again? 

368
00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,400
Yeah, yeah, I think, I think 
maybe can they run on, can they 

369
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,840
run on the grass? 
You know, like maybe maybe they,

370
00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:51,120
you know, they seem like a, you 
know, maybe a little more of a 

371
00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:53,680
Tina's better on the track. 
Maybe, maybe maybe that catches 

372
00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:57,320
up to them. 
You know, maybe a little bit 

373
00:19:57,320 --> 00:19:58,840
lack of experience from Diana's 
rotis. 

374
00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,360
Maybe maybe the race gets a 
little bit too big for her and 

375
00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:03,800
they should never been there. 
Maybe erase this of this 

376
00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,560
quality? 
Don't know if that's true either

377
00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,400
for her career, but I just I'm 
just if you're finding a case 

378
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:12,440
against that's what I would say.
Maybe just that the the the the 

379
00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:15,840
cross country nature of Gantz 
Creek, which is not tough per 

380
00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,400
SE, but it's probably harder 
than some of the things that the

381
00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,080
race that they've been at. 
You know, harder than it's 

382
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,280
probably harder than Dillinger. 
It's harder than the West 

383
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,080
regional laws, you know. 
So that's my thought all. 

384
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,000
Right, let's move to #5 Notre 
Dame. 

385
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:32,040
What is the case for them to win
or podium best case scenario? 

386
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,280
Yeah, wow. 
I mean, and this is like this 

387
00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,960
Notre Dame on the women's side 
is like Syracuse to the man. 

388
00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:39,320
The people have known they were 
good all year. 

389
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:40,680
But have we said anything about 
them? 

390
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,760
Like, is there hubbub around 
Notre Dame's women? 

391
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:45,080
There's not really like in 
conversations I've had with 

392
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,320
coaches, it's it's always like 
this other thing we talked 

393
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:49,520
about. 
Oh, yeah, Notre Dame's women are

394
00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,320
pretty good too, You know, is 
that the case for for, for maybe

395
00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,600
sneaking up on people? 
It could be right. 

396
00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:00,160
You know, they've got, I think 
every single woman in that top 

397
00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,560
seven will break, has broken or 
will break 16 for 5K this year. 

398
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,360
Wow. 
And that's some depth, right? 

399
00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:08,280
And what you need to answer the 
blaze is depth because you're 

400
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,800
not gonna have a perfect day 
from anyone from from everyone 

401
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,280
in your top 7. 
So you need to have someone in 

402
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,000
that tops. 
You need to know that like every

403
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,720
single person, that top 7 on the
right day can be a factor for 

404
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,200
you. 
And you know, if you're a sub 16

405
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:24,640
minute girl, you're you're 
probably going to be top 100 at 

406
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,040
NCAA's. 
That's probably where that 

407
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,040
ranges you might be. 
Maybe you're gonna have some 

408
00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,440
women who are sub 16 girls that 
don't end up having a great day 

409
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,600
running the one 40s or 50s. 
But I think if you know, nobody 

410
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,560
is going to have that death. 
So the key is going to be how 

411
00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,200
can Amaya Armini look for as 
another freshman? 

412
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:45,080
That's a big one. 
They have some great experience 

413
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,560
though, with Mary Barnard Dalton
and and Shona Chisholm. 

414
00:21:48,360 --> 00:21:52,000
And so I think I think best case
scenario for them is certainly 

415
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,120
podium. 
I think that that's, you know, I

416
00:21:55,120 --> 00:21:56,640
think, I think that gets done 
through their through their 

417
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,560
experience and maybe almost a 
little bit, a little bit of 

418
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,840
almost like naivete, like they 
don't realize they should be 

419
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:05,600
this good, but they are, you 
know, and then maybe if it 

420
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,200
doesn't quite happen, it's 
because they just never believed

421
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,040
they could get it done and they 
just kind of go out there and go

422
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,960
through the motions. 
So you think that's the case 

423
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:17,680
against is belief? 
Yeah, just like, just like never

424
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:20,640
have, you know? 
It's just like the stage could 

425
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:21,280
get to you. 
Yeah, like. 

426
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:26,480
A super fan, you know, he, he 
once, he once said he once did 

427
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:31,240
this analysis of teams that 
ended up winning into the Blaze.

428
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,400
And you, I don't know if there 
was a team that won into the 

429
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,040
Blaze in the last like 20 plus 
years you had on the podium the 

430
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,040
year before or haven't been even
second or third even. 

431
00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:43,120
So I think there's something 
about having done it, you know? 

432
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:50,400
All right #4 New Mexico, the 
case, the case for. 

433
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,320
Yeah, I mean the case for is if,
you know, you're you, you're 

434
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,240
scoring 3 and it's kind of like 
Alabama. 

435
00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:59,720
They just have a little better 
four or five. 

436
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,680
You know, they they they've got 
three really good women that 

437
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,520
that can be. 
You know, I mean, Pamela Cos guy

438
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,400
is looking at for a second third
probably. 

439
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,120
And Tevin Yatich and Judy, Judy 
Rono are very good, probably all

440
00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:17,360
Americans. 
So where does Alice Seguin fit 

441
00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:19,000
in? 
Nicole Janssen, Jasmine Wood? 

442
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,720
Where do they, where do they 
play into this? 

443
00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,800
Are they going to be people who 
are going to, you know, run 

444
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,520
better on a course against 
Creek, You know, coming down 

445
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,760
from altitude, they're going to 
feel better for sure. 

446
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,920
I think it's, it's, it's a 
factor to what we talked about, 

447
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,240
I guess, per SE, but that is a 
thing, right? 

448
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,760
You know, there's a confidence 
factor that comes to just 

449
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,960
feeling way better, you know, 
than you have felt in, in 

450
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:45,520
everything else, cuz this the, 
the air is you're just lower. 

451
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,320
So I think, I think case four, I
think that's a podium team. 

452
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,160
Again, I think they could be 4th
if, if they get those three in 

453
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:56,320
the Top 40 and if there are 4, 
five are in that, you know, 6070

454
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,840
range podium team. 
If they're four or five struggle

455
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:01,880
a little like they get, you 
know, they're kind of more than 

456
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,000
like that low hundreds range, 
which is probably looking more 

457
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,600
like that. 
That's that projection. 

458
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,600
Then then also they might, they 
might kind of fall out of that 

459
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:12,480
podium range. 
So a lot of pressure on that 

460
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,760
four or five. 
All right, so you just laid out 

461
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,960
case four and and against them. 
All right, let's move on to 

462
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,320
Florida. 
Yeah, Will Palmer puts the team 

463
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,480
together, didn't he? 
Man, it's a good team. 

464
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:31,840
And you know, one through 4 
that's just loaded, honestly. 

465
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,400
And Hilda Allemimoy isn't 
Interesting how two years ago it

466
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,480
was like she's going to win, 
right? 

467
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,720
Like that great. 
Like we were like, oh, she's it 

468
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:46,240
like she's the winner, you know?
And now it's kind of like, well,

469
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:51,520
she's she's she's very good. 
It's hard to believe that we're 

470
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,600
not talking about her as a 
potential individual winner. 

471
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,920
So why wouldn't we be? 
I don't know, like I still think

472
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,840
that maybe there's potential 
there for her to to be in that 

473
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:04,760
front group through 4K right 
through 5K even like until the 

474
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:06,320
move is made and then can't you 
match the move? 

475
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,120
I think she's still someone that
maybe isn't talked enough talked

476
00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:11,880
talked about enough about, you 
know, where she's at. 

477
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,360
And I think obviously the 
pickups up duty tip coach and 

478
00:25:15,360 --> 00:25:17,680
Desmond tip coach big and Tia 
Wilson. 

479
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,240
So I get another potential 
podium team. 

480
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,360
How they get that done as Hilda 
Alamo more goes, I think that 

481
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:25,880
team goes. 
She has a really, really good 

482
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,640
day. 
I think that really helps kind 

483
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:30,520
of the confidence of that team 
in the race. 

484
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,520
But I think if they kind of if 
if Hilda and Judy just kind of 

485
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,400
have OK days and they don't 
maybe have a a really good day 

486
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,960
from like a Rick and Gilmore or 
Beth Ann Mooreley or Claire 

487
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,400
Steel, than it might be, you 
know, looking more like in that 

488
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,600
6 to 8 range. 
Yeah, Clare Stegall is like a 

489
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,480
true freshman, too. 
And like, I guess in high 

490
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,840
school, like, all she ran was 
like 800 mile. 

491
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:52,920
Yeah. 
Wow. 

492
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,960
Very impressive. 
Sometimes all you need is just 

493
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,720
A-Team, you know and and and the
culture and and you know just 

494
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:04,320
can change everything. 
All right, the case for BYU. 

495
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,600
Yeah, good. 
Good question. 

496
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,280
You're like, you got to watch 
what you say, Diljit's going to 

497
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:11,840
hear this. 
Yeah, that's right. 

498
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,320
Yeah. 
I have a script actually. 

499
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,440
I'm just going to read from 
here. 

500
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,400
I already wrote it all out and 
got it approved. 

501
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,800
No, yeah, I mean, I think Jane 
Heddengren is very good. 

502
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,360
Maybe. 
Maybe a generation? 

503
00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:27,160
Understatement. 
Maybe, maybe, maybe an all time 

504
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,920
talent, you know, honestly. 
And I've known Jane since he was

505
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,040
like 12 years old, you know, 
like watching her run these 

506
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,240
local things in Provo. 
And I actually know her family 

507
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,120
very well, love her family. 
She comes from an awesome 

508
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,320
people. 
So it's easy to root for her, 

509
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,120
right? 
Easy. 

510
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,200
Maybe the easiest person to root
for of all time, you know, like 

511
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,200
who isn't a fan of Jane 
Eddingren. 

512
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,280
So that's kind of the, the, the 
no brainer. 

513
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,120
The, the, the thing that we that
we need to talk about next is, 

514
00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,120
you know, they have so many 
women after Jane that are really

515
00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,600
good that it's just a matter of 
who. 

516
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,400
I don't know if coach Taylor 
even, you know, knows exactly 

517
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,240
who she who who to run yet 
because they're just so many 

518
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,320
good options. 
And you know, when you have six 

519
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:15,000
or seven women who could all be 
all American on the right day, 

520
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,800
like how do you make that call? 
You flip a coin. 

521
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:22,640
I don't know, You know, So 
obviously Riley Chamberlain is 

522
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,400
the solid too. 
So that's like, obviously, you 

523
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,560
know, when you have someone 
who's run go what does he run 

524
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,760
for 1500 this summer? 
Like something something crazy 

525
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,120
like four O 3 for 1500. 
I'm going to put you in a in 

526
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:37,080
like the four O 2. 
I'm I'm gonna put you in the 

527
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,120
armchair quarterback role here. 
So it's like all right, if if 

528
00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:42,840
you are Diljit assemble your 
team, who do you have run on 

529
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,920
that day? 
So obviously Jane. 

530
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:48,240
Yeah, rather Chamberlain. 
Yeah. 

531
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:54,600
I go Taylor Rotinski, I go 
neither Roberts, I go Taylor 

532
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,200
Lovell, really good steep 
player. 

533
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,240
I go JC Farmer. 
She kind of struggled at the end

534
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,600
of the Mount Region meet, but 
kind of the the zombie walk at 

535
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,600
the end, she was just a little 
cooked. 

536
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,440
So we'll see if she can mouse 
back on that. 

537
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,120
Sometimes I sometimes that puts 
people in a deficit, but I'm but

538
00:28:08,120 --> 00:28:09,800
sometimes that also motivates 
you to never let that happen 

539
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:10,920
again. 
So I'm going to still ride with 

540
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,200
JC on that. 
And then then I like true 

541
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:18,400
freshman Zarial Makia. 
I think she I think she has been

542
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,560
in a lot of big time meets at 
the high school level. 

543
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,520
So I don't think the NCAA meet 
will scare her and I think 

544
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,400
she'll run well. 
So is the case against that you 

545
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:32,200
just assembled the wrong lineup?
Honestly, yeah, that's crazy, 

546
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,440
right? 
It's like, well, I just, you 

547
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,520
know, I put this person here and
I should put this person there 

548
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,440
and that's it. 
I don't know, right? 

549
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,840
That's that's the case against. 
Is it just, you know, maybe we 

550
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,160
could have found maybe a 
slightly better lineup or the 

551
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,200
case against is just is NC State
that good? 

552
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:47,160
Yeah. 
OK. 

553
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,480
So the margin is super thin here
between these two teams. 

554
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,200
I think. 
So number OK #1 NC State the 

555
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,560
case 4. 
Yeah. 

556
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,040
I mean, I think, I think they're
the deepest team in terms of 

557
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:08,200
like, like they've got six women
that you know, will, will or 

558
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,560
could be top 30. 
So that too. 

559
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,120
Yeah, well, obviously, I mean, 
the, the number ones got 

560
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,520
switched off a little, right? 
It hasn't been quite, you know, 

561
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,080
perfect there. 
I I, I think it's still Grace 

562
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,480
Hartman. 
Well. 

563
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,400
Handling the poems look good 
though. 

564
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,600
Isn't there a rumor that Grace 
Hartman's hurt? 

565
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,480
I think she's OK. 
That's why I'm gonna. 

566
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:35,200
I don't this is this is Isaac 
was premonition. 

567
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,680
No details on this. 
I really don't. 

568
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,560
I just think she's OK. 
So we're operating under the 

569
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,640
belief that she's OK and she's. 
Ready operating under the belief

570
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,000
that Grace Hartman's OK, but 
maybe though the point what I'm 

571
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,320
trying to make is like OK, it 
doesn't matter. 

572
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:52,520
It doesn't matter, but totally 
matters. 

573
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:56,320
But but art. 
But they have I think you know, 

574
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,040
when Brooke robber is maybe 
you're 5 or 6. 

575
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,960
You're you're four or five like 
she is really, really good right

576
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:10,040
and so you know, I it's hard 
like, you know, she's running 

577
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:13,120
nine O 8 and 1550. 
You know, I think she was 50th 

578
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,800
last year. 
So if she's your 5 or 6, that 

579
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,000
means you've got four or five 
more women in the top 50. 

580
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:25,000
Since Angelina Napoleon. 
Hartman, Napoleon and Gapes, you

581
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,760
know, Bethany Mishalik was 160th
last year. 

582
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,280
So she, she, I think she's made 
a big jump, but I think the 

583
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,000
experience of having been there 
last year, it does help though, 

584
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,040
too, Like, and maybe she didn't 
have her best race that last 

585
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,040
year, but it's not the 
motivation. 

586
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,680
Maybe like I, I've been there. 
I know it feels like now I'm 

587
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,560
going to improve and and and 
and, you know, right my wrongs 

588
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,320
from the other the year before. 
So is the case against Grace 

589
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,720
Hartman's out? 
Yeah, the case against would be,

590
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,520
you know, when, when the the 
leader is gone, can they still 

591
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,520
keep it together? 
But NC, they did that without 

592
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:56,840
Kelsey Camille a couple years 
ago, right? 

593
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,920
And it was fine. 
And some of the some of the key 

594
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:05,520
pieces of that team still here. 
So I think it's, it's a, that's 

595
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:09,120
A, and I don't know if there's 
been a more intriguing women's 

596
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,440
race in a long time. 
For the team title, yeah. 

597
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,080
Well, I mean, two years ago, 
wasn't it separated by one point

598
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:20,120
where we got to the tiebreaker? 
I I get that, but I I I I. 

599
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,680
You're saying going in? 
Yeah, going in, yeah. 

600
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,040
I don't know if the finish is 
going to be that right. 

601
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,880
You can't ever predict the 
finish in terms of like, it's 

602
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,120
just these are human beings 
running, running all out for a 

603
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:30,600
long time. 
It's just hard to predict. 

604
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:34,280
But going in, I'm like, there's 
a real case for NC State. 

605
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,840
There's a real case for BYU, 
There's a real case for Oregon. 

606
00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:40,440
I mean, those three, like 
there's legitimate reason to 

607
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,200
believe that those teams could 
could all get it done to win. 

608
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,200
All right. 
You will save your final 

609
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,640
prediction for on site. 
What'd you say? 

610
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,880
Now I get to decide who I get to
offend on Friday by not picking 

611
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,760
them. 
Yeah, it's a cool place to be 

612
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:56,480
in. 
I think Will Palmer's gonna find

613
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,440
you and and we'll confront you 
about this. 

614
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,040
All right, let's shift over to 
the men's side. 

615
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:07,200
So the men's side we start at. 
OK, you tell me number, Who? 

616
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,360
Who? 
Who do you who do you think 

617
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,600
deserves more of a preview here 
as a shot at the podium, Oregon 

618
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:22,400
or Colorado? 
The problem is I think I got 

619
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:26,000
some recency bias as I've 
watched Oregon at regionals and 

620
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:30,320
they looked so good. 
Yeah, guys were talking to each 

621
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:30,640
other. 
They're. 

622
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,200
High fiving at the finish line 
High. 

623
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:37,440
Fiving like dude. 
So let's talk about Oregon. 

624
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:45,160
All right, Oregon, the case for.
I think Jerry's really great 

625
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,320
coach and I think he gets guys 
ready. 

626
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,240
I think that they're going to be
as confident as they've ever 

627
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:54,240
been going into this thing that 
that that they're the sneaky 

628
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,080
team in this. 
You know, they've done a good 

629
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,560
job of it's a good mix of maybe 
how a program is going to look 

630
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:04,240
nowadays with a couple good 
transfers, a couple homegrown 

631
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,080
guys, you know, because you've 
got you've got Evan Bishop and 

632
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,720
Abdel Lodgel for who transferred
from, you know, Wisconsin 

633
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,040
Providence, respectively. 
But then you got guys like Aiden

634
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,280
Smith who grew up in Portland 
and or maybe by grew up in 

635
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,800
Oregon and then and then and 
also Ben Belaz, who grew up in 

636
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,720
Oregon. 
You know, and that's that's 

637
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,520
cool, right? 
Isn't that like a cool way to 

638
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,000
like to build a program? 
Like still got your homegrown 

639
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,160
guys and you've still got, and 
then you're then you got these, 

640
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,520
these guys that you found on the
portal that, that, you know, 

641
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,520
wanted Oregon and oh, Michael 
Morales as well, another 

642
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:41,000
transfer from UCLA stud and then
also like the city and Birnbaum.

643
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,840
So you're still, you know, 
developing and it's a lot of 

644
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,520
pressure, right? 
Isn't it a lot of pressure to, 

645
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,120
to, to be the, to be the college
coach of, you know, one of the 

646
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:52,360
better high school runners ever.
I mean, talk about, talk about 

647
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,120
that with, with coach Taylor too
at BYU, right? 

648
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,320
It's like, you know, no 
pressure, but this is the, this 

649
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,600
maybe is one of the best people 
ever. 

650
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,280
So here you go. 
Don't screw it up. 

651
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,520
So I mean, if there's a case for
it's like it has did a team look

652
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,960
better over 10K? 
Like in terms of like just so 

653
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,000
relaxed. 
And again, that W region field 

654
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:12,239
is good. 
That's not a crappy field. 

655
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,520
There's a lot of good dudes in 
there is. 

656
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,239
It true that when they accepted 
their team award no one clapped.

657
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,639
Were you there for that? 
I didn't go a lot. 

658
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,920
I, I was in the thick of it 
myself, man. 

659
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,560
So I, you know, to be fair, I 
think anyone else who was there 

660
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,520
was just in the thick of it too.
Because I'll say that I'm 

661
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,360
thinking it's like all these 
guys can can run with a chip on 

662
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:34,360
their shoulder if that's the 
case. 

663
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,719
Well, I think, I think, I think 
award ceremonies at the end of 

664
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:39,920
meets are, are for the people 
who won the award. 

665
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:43,360
You know, unless you put that 
award ceremony right literally 

666
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,199
in front of everybody and you 
know, you're gonna make people 

667
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:50,320
walk, walk 404 hundred meters 
through mud just to cheer on a 

668
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,120
team that pounded you. 
I don't know, maybe that's 

669
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:53,800
that's sportsmanship. 
But I was just, we were just, I 

670
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,600
think there are lots of teams 
who were just like, good job 

671
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:56,880
Oregon. 
We expected that. 

672
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,720
Yeah, right. 
I mean, yeah, yeah. 

673
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,000
It was just something I heard. 
Like I had a text message about.

674
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,080
It was like, oh, like Oregon won
and no one clapped. 

675
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:05,280
Yeah, yeah. 
That's a. 

676
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,520
Problem that happens all right, 
So what's the case against? 

677
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,040
I think the case against is that
it it is a team that hasn't 

678
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,040
really put one together into the
blaze in a while. 

679
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,240
And so sometimes sometimes into 
the blaze, the gun goes off and 

680
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:22,040
and your head falls off. 
And I think that I don't know if

681
00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:26,040
I think this team might be built
better for into the Blaze than 

682
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,480
that, but maybe that the moment 
gets too big all. 

683
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,080
Right, let's move over to #5 
Virginia. 

684
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,640
The case for Can Vinland Anna 
get it done? 

685
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:43,480
I like, oh, I, I got so excited 
when I saw that quote from Bin 

686
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:44,520
Laden. 
I said this on the last part 

687
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:45,360
too. 
I'm just gonna say it again. 

688
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:47,120
You know, there's no miters in 
cross country. 

689
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,840
We're all 10K guys. 
Oh, that's like the mic drop 

690
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,080
moment for every college cross 
country coach who has these guys

691
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,600
who are like, oh, I'm a mid D 
guy. 

692
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,120
I can't run cross. 
Yeah. 

693
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,200
But then we have Gary Martin 
finishing, I think what was it, 

694
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,840
5th in his region or something? 
Yes, Gary Martin's a top ten 

695
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,040
guy. 
He's they invited him to the 

696
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,960
press conference. 
Oh really? 

697
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,760
I didn't see that. 
Yeah, they obviously some maybe 

698
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,440
maybe that's, you know, is, is 
Vegas telling them who to put in

699
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,960
there? 
No, but I I I just think I think

700
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,440
that there's just a cool quality
about that team this year too. 

701
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,840
And they've got they've got 
they've got six guys that I 

702
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,840
really think are, you know, all 
American potential as well, 

703
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,880
which is crazy because that's, 
you know, they have obviously 

704
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:35,680
been that good. 
But I think Gary Martin is that 

705
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,200
good. 
Will Anthony hasn't run since 

706
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:39,640
Gans Creek. 
So that's the question mark for 

707
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,640
them. 
I would say is Will, but you 

708
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:49,560
know, just a Wachtel and Nathan 
Mountain been excellent all 

709
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,040
year. 
They've had a good answer to 

710
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,600
Lamy. 
Both of them are like in the one

711
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,600
40s fifties, one 50s range last 
year. 

712
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:57,880
So I think that they can be a 
little better. 

713
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,400
And Brett, Brett Gardner 
transfer from NC State was was 

714
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,120
122nd last year. 
So they're they're they're 

715
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,760
potential 234. 
All guys who maybe have a bit of

716
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,640
a chip on the shoulder on, on 
like finally figuring out how to

717
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,320
run into AA cross, which I think
they can. 

718
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,400
But Brett, the year before 
Gardner from NC State transfer 

719
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,640
now UVA, he was 51st in 2023. 
So I still think there's 

720
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,200
possibility there. 
And then and also another guy to

721
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,080
consider is Will Daly, a 
transfer from Dartmouth. 

722
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:27,280
So again, this is a this 
Virginia team is also kind of 

723
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:28,480
what I talked about with with 
Oregon. 

724
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,320
It's kind of that new. 
Maybe this isn't new, but it 

725
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,720
just feels like the new vibe 
around college cross country, 

726
00:37:34,720 --> 00:37:37,840
maybe even college athletics is,
you know, you kind of have your 

727
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:42,200
core guys who are from the area 
who kind of stuck it out and are

728
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,720
getting better and grinding. 
And then you you were able to 

729
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,720
then piece together a couple 
transfers who were high level 

730
00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:49,880
guys to come in. 
That's, that's what Ben and 

731
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,880
Trevor Dunbar have done at 
Virginia and that's, you know, I

732
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,800
think, I think a case for them 
to get it done is the there, 

733
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,920
there are three or four guys who
have been to NCAA's before who 

734
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,600
didn't run well. 
Finally figure it out because I 

735
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,320
think Gary's fine. 
Like he's, he's the last guy I'm

736
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:05,520
worried about. 
He's a top ten guy in. 

737
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,680
The case against. 
The case against is that, you 

738
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:12,920
know, the ghost of Christmas 
past come back, come back to 

739
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,160
haunt them, you know, and we 
just get guys finishing in the 

740
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,640
hundreds and it's just, they 
just couldn't quite figure out 

741
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,720
how to do it. 
Yeah, the ghost from Panorado 

742
00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:23,880
Farms. 
Follow them all the way to 

743
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:25,040
Missouri. 
That's it bro. 

744
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,000
The City of Smack podcast is 
presented by Gnomeo Performance 

745
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:35,000
from the inside out. 
You probably saw it. 

746
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:40,000
Joe Clecker's marathon debut in 
New York City 210, a debut that 

747
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,120
looked composed and strong all 
the way throughout. 

748
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,560
While he's spoken out about the 
importance of fueling a lot on 

749
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,000
this show, Joe has also been 
using Gnomeo in his build up. 

750
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,440
Gnomeo's built exactly for that 
feeling that we're chasing. 

751
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,440
When the training clicks, 
recovery feels smoother, and 

752
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:01,440
race day legs actually show up. 
It's a daily 60 milliliter shot,

753
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,720
mostly broccoli sprout juice, 
lemon, and a touch of sugar. 

754
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,760
But the magic is in the science.
Nearly a decade of research from

755
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,560
Sweden's Karolinska Institute 
went into stabilizing compounds 

756
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,600
from cruciferous vegetables, the
stuff that helps your body 

757
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,000
naturally handle the stress of 
heart training. 

758
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,600
We're talking lower lactate, 
better recovery, and stronger 

759
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,280
muscle adaptation. 
Athletes like Cole Hawker, 

760
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,640
Andreas Almgren, Clayton Young, 
Nico Young are all using Gnomeo 

761
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,400
to push a little harder, bounce 
back faster, and feel that light

762
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:31,680
on her feet rhythm that we're 
all chasing. 

763
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,680
Let's hear how Joe Clucker has 
been using Gnomeo. 

764
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,120
So first I was a bit of a 
skeptic of the the product, you 

765
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,640
know, I was like, what is this? 
But I got it and started using 

766
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,160
it and then I'll use it like 2 
hours before I'll get up and 

767
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:46,680
have it because our workouts are
pretty early. 

768
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,240
Every workout I'd implement what
I'm going to do on race day into

769
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:51,920
the workout. 
So my routine every morning is 

770
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,960
same breakfast, no meal 3 hours 
before I do buy card two to 

771
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,280
three hours before and then I'll
have no meal before bed and for 

772
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:01,000
recovery. 
But. 

773
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,640
I wasn't a huge believer and I 
just did it because they had 

774
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:08,440
sent it to me at first. 
And then Sage started using it 

775
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:12,400
and she used it at USA for the 
first time between her rounds 

776
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:17,120
and she was like blown away by 
how fresh she felt through the 

777
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,560
rounds. 
And obviously, that could just 

778
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,920
be fitness and training, but she
was like, you know, this was a 

779
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,680
new thing she was trying and it 
really helped her. 

780
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,440
And then she did the same in 
Tokyo. 

781
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,440
And like, so now we have that 
helped me really believe in it a

782
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:29,720
lot. 
I'm like, OK, I know she's the 

783
00:40:29,720 --> 00:40:32,840
fittest she's ever been. 
But also she starts using this, 

784
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,680
you know, this new product and 
has the best race of her life. 

785
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,800
You know, maybe I should keep 
using it as well. 

786
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:42,880
So yeah, I've been using it 
every workout, every long run. 

787
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:46,560
The recommended practice is you 
take one shot 3 hours before a 

788
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:50,880
big workout, a race, or daily 
during heavy training blocks and

789
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,000
those especially tough days. 
A second shot before bed can 

790
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,280
help your recovery overnight. 
It's nature meets science, a 

791
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:03,240
small routine with a big payoff.
You can find Gnomeo on the feed 

792
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:08,440
and Sidious Mag listeners get 
15% off using code Sidious 15 at

793
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:13,840
check out. 
That's Citi US15 at thefeed.com.

794
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:21,800
Gnomeo, prepare to outperform. 
This episode of the City of 

795
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,640
Smack podcast is presented by 
the Wahoo Kicker Run. 

796
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,920
So at this point in human 
history, we all know what a 

797
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,320
treadmill is. 
You either love it or you call 

798
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,680
it the dreadmill. 
But what if I told you the 

799
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,840
treadmill finally got 
interesting and fun? 

800
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:41,320
Yeah, Meet the Wahoo Kicker Run.
It looks like your normal 

801
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:44,960
treadmill, but the first time 
you step on it, you realize it's

802
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,400
not the kicker Run literally 
responds to you. 

803
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,920
Run faster, it speeds up. 
Ease back, it slows down. 

804
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,800
That's called the run Free mode.
And it's exactly what it sounds 

805
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,760
like. 
No buttons to worry about, Just 

806
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,760
running. 
That actually feels like 

807
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,800
running. 
You can hook it up to Zwif and 

808
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,160
it gets even better. 
The kicker? 

809
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:08,560
Run automatically adjusts for 
climbs and descents, so when 

810
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,000
your avatar is hitting a hill in
the virtual world, the deck 

811
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,560
tilts up in real life. 
You're suddenly feeling that 

812
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:20,600
terrain, not just seeing it. 
Add in a quiet motor, a buttery 

813
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,480
smooth belt, and speeds up to 15
mph. 

814
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,560
It's basically the closest thing
you can get to an outdoor run 

815
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,520
without leaving your house. 
We all know those temperatures 

816
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:32,280
are starting to drop, so you 
might want to get on top of Lock

817
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:37,760
down your Wahoo Kicker Run. 
It's premium, it's techie, it's 

818
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,920
kind of nerdy, and it's a lot of
fun. 

819
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,720
The Wahoo Kicker Run makes 
indoor training something you 

820
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,840
actually look forward to. 
Cole Hawker, the 5000 meter 

821
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,600
world champion and 1500m Olympic
champion, uses it to 

822
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:55,800
supplementhistrainingyoucanlearnmore@wahoofitness.com
Citius Mac Podcast listeners can

823
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:59,680
also unlock a special offer from
now until the end of November. 

824
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,720
You'll get 25% off your order if
you you use Code Sidious at 

825
00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:05,960
checkout. 
That's CITIUS. 

826
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:11,080
And you'll also get a free Wahoo
Kicker Headwind fan. 

827
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,080
It's a smart fan that's 
intelligently controlling fan 

828
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,680
speeds to keep you cool when the
training is heating up. 

829
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,680
It's valued at 319 bucks, but 
it's all yours for free when you

830
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,720
use the Code Sidious at 
checkout. 

831
00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:26,040
The Wahoo Kicker run. 
Check it out at 

832
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:30,000
wahoofitness.com. 
Use Code Sidious at checkout for

833
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:36,000
that special offer. #4 it is 
your chance to make it right and

834
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,400
give some hype to Syracuse. 
Yeah, I, I like them. 

835
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,280
Again, this is probably 
annoying, but this is the this 

836
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,760
this model. 
Yeah. 

837
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,600
Sam Lawler from New York, right,
Benny Anderson. 

838
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:57,640
And you know who guys who are 
you know from the area, Sam 

839
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,800
Lawler has been a two time NCAA 
cross country, all American, 

840
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:03,840
maybe one of the more under 
heralded guys, American guys in 

841
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,440
the country, 28th last year, 
then NCAA me 34th year before 

842
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:12,400
he's from 1335, from 2021. 
Like this guy is good. 

843
00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:14,120
Why does no one talk about Sam 
Lawler? 

844
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,360
I don't know. 
Maybe there's not enough people 

845
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,080
talking about it's AA cross 
country as a whole. 

846
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,840
So that's our own fault. 
But but he's he's obviously very

847
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,840
good. 
But then but then you bring in a

848
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,320
soft Ferrari from Israel. 
Very talented guy. 

849
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:30,920
He's had his best year for sure.
And he was 71st last year at NHS

850
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,760
AA cross 88 the year before. 
I'd assume he's in the he's an 

851
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,000
all American this year. 
He's not 2023. 

852
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,120
And then you get Matthew Neil, 
who's transferred from Florida 

853
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,440
State and Peter Waldorf from 
Kansas, who were both both had 

854
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:45,360
excellent years. 
They've had a gel that team's 

855
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,960
just kind of gelb. 
They had five in the top ten at 

856
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,920
the Northeast Reach. 
That's not like, OK, that's not 

857
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,560
like the world's best region, 
but five in the top ten. 

858
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,080
There's just a confidence level 
that comes from believing like 

859
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:58,360
they just put those dudes at the
front of the race and they just 

860
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,960
rolled it together, right? 
There's a confidence that comes 

861
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,640
from that. 
They're like, hey, I just ran 

862
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:06,240
the easiest 10K in my life, you 
know, and I ran great. 

863
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,080
Like I'd like that. 
I think, I think, I think the 

864
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,120
case for is they're just 
confident and they're firing all

865
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:16,080
cylinders like they've they've 
got the pieces to to get it 

866
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,320
done. 
And I think a little bit of a 

867
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:21,520
tip on the shoulder of like, why
is no one talking about us case 

868
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:25,160
against? 
I think I think their transfers 

869
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:27,120
have bad days. 
Maybe if if they did like, I 

870
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,760
think maybe like they just 
weren't as prepared for the 

871
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,320
moment. 
Maybe they maybe they, you know,

872
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:39,320
they just the the depth of the 
front pack just is more than 

873
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,360
what they thought. 
Like, you know, having to run, 

874
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,960
you know, because sometimes that
first K or that first mile into 

875
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,360
the blaze is so hot and 
sometimes people kind of aren't 

876
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,720
able to with rather the storm of
a of a, you know, 235 first 

877
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:57,120
kilometer, you know what I mean?
And that could be a a a case for

878
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,240
Syracuse maybe just not being 
able to quite be able to match 

879
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:01,960
that in the race. 
I think they will just you asked

880
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:07,160
me, so that's what I'm saying. 
All right, New Mexico, which on 

881
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,360
the men's side has never 
finished higher than 8th at the 

882
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:14,920
NCA Championships, and this 
squad is looking to change that.

883
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,480
Yeah, yeah, it ends this 
weekend. 

884
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,360
Better than 8th guaranteed. 
Gosh Dang, do you like if I 

885
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,760
guarantee that? 
Who knows? 

886
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,280
But I'm I might guarantee it. 
I will. 

887
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,600
I'm gonna have a backbone. 
I'm guaranteeing New Mexico 

888
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,120
finishes the best finish of of 
the school history. 

889
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,520
Yeah. 
All right. 

890
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,520
So it could mean podium, could 
mean when. 

891
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,400
What are you thinking with them?
I, I think their upside is 

892
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,920
probably second. 
Not sure if on their best day, 

893
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,120
they beat up the best day from 
either Oklahoma State or Iowa 

894
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,840
State, but they've got the best 
guy in the race, right? 

895
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,360
I mean, it's, it's it's hard not
to believe Pop and Samuel's not 

896
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:57,040
the not the not the total 
favorite. 

897
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,440
And so I think, I think they're 
820. 

898
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,880
Steepler, Matthew Cosguy, man, 
that guy's due. 

899
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,120
He just needs to have a good 
race. 

900
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:06,720
He really hasn't had a really 
good one. 

901
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,080
And I think he ran their 
mountain region race smart. 

902
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,280
He just kind of moved their way 
through the pack pretty well and

903
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:12,960
it wasn't. 
So I think, I think he's gonna 

904
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,400
be, I think, I think, you know, 
if he can be, you know, in that 

905
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,880
50 range and then they've got 
their 234 somewhere between, you

906
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,960
know, 10th and 30th. 
Like that's that's an easy 

907
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:27,320
podium team right there. 
You just, you know, typically 

908
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,560
you just need under 200 points 
to make the podium. 

909
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,760
That's typically the mark. 
If you're sub 200, you're gonna 

910
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,440
make, you know, obviously in in 
deeper years you can be two O or

911
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,800
210 and still and still beat 
podium, but you can usually feel

912
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,080
really confident if you're sub 
200, you're going to make the 

913
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,880
meet. 
So I think, you know, if you 

914
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,640
start thinking about points 
total points scored from New 

915
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,160
Mexico, you're like, OK, well, 
they're going to get one from 

916
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,560
Samuel. 
They're probably going to get 

917
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,120
like 15 from Kip Legat and 
another 20 from Kip Rotich and 

918
00:47:55,120 --> 00:48:01,360
another 25 from cheer Cheer. 
So you know, 13055, let's say 

919
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,000
we're at 80. 
You know, as long as Matthew 

920
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:05,520
Cosby has a pretty good day, 
they're on the podium. 

921
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,440
Case against is so yeah. 
So case against is is Matthew 

922
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,920
Kosgai. 
Case against is, yeah, maybe 

923
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,400
Matthew Kosgai doesn't figure it
out or, or Aykar Stanton Lopez 

924
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,920
doesn't come up enough to be 
able to help push Kosgai. 

925
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:23,040
I also think, you know, the, the
case against is they they, if 

926
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,880
you look at some of the finishes
that these guys have had NCAA's 

927
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:33,600
like I was looking at, let's 
see, Vincent Cheer. 

928
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:34,880
Cheer is the guy I was thinking 
about. 

929
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,720
He was 148 last year. 
Obviously, I think he looks a 

930
00:48:38,720 --> 00:48:42,080
lot better than that this year. 
But again, I think sometimes you

931
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:44,040
get back to that meet and it's 
going to be kind of hard to 

932
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:47,160
overcome this. 
Like I ran bad here, you know, 

933
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,360
and I bad. 
But it's not where he should be,

934
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:53,560
right? 
And I feel pretty good about 

935
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:56,920
Evan Skip the gap. 
He's been top 42 times and still

936
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,000
Blaze. 
He's steady call, Skip wrote. 

937
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,160
It's not he was 35th. 
He's going to be just fine. 

938
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:05,480
So maybe it's more cheer, cheer 
and Kyle's guy and and and and 

939
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,920
them putting together the race 
that they know they can have. 

940
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:13,480
All right, let's move on over to
Iowa State, which was sitting at

941
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:19,560
#1 earlier on in the season. 
Then there was obviously a lot 

942
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:24,520
of hubbub and news around them 
when several team members got 

943
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:29,280
suspended for the season due to 
violating team rules. 

944
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:34,480
A lot of speculation and no 
further details, I think ever 

945
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:37,720
came out from that. 
Is is Coach Sudbury on the press

946
00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:41,320
conference list for NCIS? 
Yeah, he is well. 

947
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:43,800
Yeah, poor guy. 
I think someone's going to ask 

948
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:47,720
about that. 
And I, you know, I'm guessing 

949
00:49:47,720 --> 00:49:51,160
because of school rules and all 
that kind of stuff, which I 

950
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,440
think have been cited before 
when people have asked him. 

951
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,120
Like, I don't think he's going 
to be able to explicitly say 

952
00:49:56,120 --> 00:50:02,080
what has happened, but this team
has been able to keep together 

953
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,840
the squad that ran at Gantz 
Creek earlier in the year, which

954
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,440
is the squad that has made them 
a title contender. 

955
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:16,400
They are lacking a couple pieces
that ran at Nutty Comb, 

956
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,680
including Seth Clevenger, who 
was their top guy there. 

957
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:26,240
And yeah, I mean, it hasn't even
been specified who was 

958
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:29,560
suspended, but it seems like the
squad from Ganz Creek is going 

959
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,240
to be has been their 
championship squad and that's 

960
00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:36,400
who's who will be racing. 
So they haven't fallen from 

961
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:40,520
second on, you know, further 
than second on these coaching 

962
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:44,840
coaches polls. 
So they're a title contender. 

963
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,840
So what's the case for Iowa 
State? 

964
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:54,320
Yeah, I think, I think it's nice
to go back to a course where you

965
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,080
ran really well at right. 
I mean, I think we can all say 

966
00:50:57,080 --> 00:50:59,240
that they looked very good at 
Gans Creek. 

967
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,640
And at this point you can say 
that they know the course well, 

968
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,680
you know, I mean, they they, I 
mean, they could have doubled 

969
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,920
their score and and still gotten
2nd and still gotten first. 

970
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:16,000
Like that's how good they ran, 
how well they ran. 

971
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:21,880
I can speak English. 
And so, yeah, honestly, the case

972
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:28,080
for is, you know, I I this is, 
this is going to date me and 

973
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:29,800
maybe not people are going to 
remember this, but it's funny. 

974
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,920
I'm going to compare an Oklahoma
State team to an Iowa State team

975
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:33,040
to what I think I was they can 
do. 

976
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:40,040
But remember when they went like
789 at nationals and, and it was

977
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:43,240
like they put they slammed the 
door and that thing so quickly 

978
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:44,920
in that race. 
It was like in 2000, There's a 

979
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:50,320
Colby Lowe and like Germont 
Fernandez, he wasn't German, but

980
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:52,880
there was no conversation that 
like went like 678 and it would 

981
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:53,920
be just kind of a door on that 
thing. 

982
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,560
It was almost over. 
Like I could see that having of 

983
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:00,160
Iowa State. 
I could see Rudo Cuomo, Ibera 

984
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:06,280
and and either Kiplimo or 
Masundo, like all like right 

985
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:08,160
there in the top ten. 
And then like all of a sudden 

986
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,520
like that, I mean, as long as 
Kamutai and whoever their their 

987
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,080
4-5 are like don't totally just 
suck. 

988
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,560
Like that's it. 
Like I could see them having 

989
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:22,320
that kind of a meet. 
I think they and they know and 

990
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,800
they probably they probably 
don't need or shouldn't have a 

991
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:27,000
chip on their shoulder. 
But if you dealt with the crap 

992
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:28,960
they dealt with, you know, just 
a couple weeks ago, I think they

993
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,080
do a little and it and they got 
kind of blown out at conference 

994
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,840
a little bit. 
I mean, I think they I think 

995
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,400
Oklahoma State surprised them. 
Like, I mean, I think I think 

996
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:39,760
Oklahoma State didn't surprise 
themselves. 

997
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,400
I think they thought they were 
that good and they were. 

998
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,960
But I think I have a state and 
maybe wasn't quite prepared for 

999
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,680
that onslaught. 
I think they will be this time. 

1000
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,120
I do think they're also built 
for 10K. 

1001
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,360
I'm not saying Oakland states 
not we haven't talked about them

1002
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,640
yet, but I'm just saying Iowa 
State, they're built for this 

1003
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,240
race. 
I also think last year if they 

1004
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:58,400
had another 400 meters, they 
they would have won. 

1005
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,520
It's a AA's like they were this 
close to winning. 

1006
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,160
It's a AA's. 
So I think they're, I think Iowa

1007
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:10,200
State, the case 4 is really they
they could they're scary in the 

1008
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:14,800
sense that they could put three 
in the top 10 and a a cool note 

1009
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,000
that I like about this team too.
Of course, having been a junior 

1010
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,040
college coach, I'm always going 
to wrap that a little bit. 

1011
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,480
Jeremy Sudbury, junior College, 
I'm all American at Paradise 

1012
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:27,480
Valley has two guys on his 
roster who were who were junior 

1013
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,760
college rivals. 
Sonomo Sundo one dance the JUCO 

1014
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:35,840
meet in 2022 and Roger Scotino 
was second behind him in that 

1015
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:40,680
same meet at Colby College and 
and Butler, respectively. 

1016
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:46,080
And now those two get to run for
a JUCO former JUCO guy for a 

1017
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:47,640
NCAA divisional national 
championship. 

1018
00:53:47,720 --> 00:53:50,760
I think that's pretty cool. 
That is cool case against. 

1019
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,240
Case against that the the grind 
of the season and and the grind 

1020
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:58,800
of kind of like stuff they've 
been through is weighs them down

1021
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,680
a little bit. 
I also think, you know, it could

1022
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,640
be could be kind of sloppy, it 
could be it could the the course

1023
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:10,560
conditions might not be great 
and I do think Oklahoma State 

1024
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:12,560
ran better on a tougher course, 
right. 

1025
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,680
That Rimrock course, that 
conference is really tough. 

1026
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:19,080
And I wonder if maybe they're 
not quite built to to, I don't 

1027
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:20,800
know. 
I won't say that I think that I 

1028
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:23,200
just say I just want to say that
I think the case against could 

1029
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,480
be like if course conditions 
aren't great and things just 

1030
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:29,280
don't go quite as smooth as as 
as, as maybe they did at the 

1031
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,000
original Gantz Creek and might 
throw them off a little bit. 

1032
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,520
Maybe they just don't quite put 
the the right day there. 

1033
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:38,040
And obviously they still need, 
you know, Oklahoma State is so 

1034
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,320
good and so deep that they need 
all five of their top five of 

1035
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:42,840
five. 
You know, they've got five 

1036
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,920
really, really good guys. 
They can't have one of them have

1037
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,040
a bad day. 
Gotcha. 

1038
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:50,480
All right, then that brings us 
to Oklahoma State who stunned 

1039
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:54,600
them at conference. 
And if they, I mean, the case 

1040
00:54:54,600 --> 00:54:57,440
for is they just run it back and
and do it all over again. 

1041
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:02,360
But fill me in with more on Dave
Smith's redemption arc this 

1042
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,560
year. 
Yeah, I think that's fair. 

1043
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,120
I do. 
I do think that's fair, You 

1044
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,080
know, nothing, nothing like 
that. 

1045
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,920
Just bad taste in your mouth for
an entire year of like, how bad 

1046
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:13,760
it went, you know? 
He's been thinking about this 

1047
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,600
for 365 days. 
Yeah, I know for sure. 

1048
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:22,480
And having, you know, I remember
being in LA's last year and I'd 

1049
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,760
like to go to the spot on the 
course where there's no one 

1050
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,960
there because it's kind of fun, 
especially when I don't have a 

1051
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,960
dog in the fight, right. 
But if I, you know, if I'm 

1052
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,640
coaching A-Team at the meet, 
then I'm like losing my head 

1053
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,600
too, right? 
But in the middle of it. 

1054
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,120
But when I don't, you know, I 
went to the spot with like 800 

1055
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:39,160
meters to go in the race and 
there was like literally no one 

1056
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:40,440
there. 
That's because we also have to 

1057
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,160
keep all the The Wood Report 
fans away from you. 

1058
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:44,720
That's. 
Right, yeah, right. 

1059
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,520
So I anyway, and I remember an 
Oklahoma State guy passing me 

1060
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,560
like in the two hundreds right 
there in the race. 

1061
00:55:52,560 --> 00:55:56,040
And I think it was, I can't 
remember who it was. 

1062
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,560
Oh, it was from Masati. 
And I remember just being like, 

1063
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:02,920
man, that's just one of those 
days. 

1064
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,200
You know, that's just, it's 
just, there's just, there was 

1065
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,320
nothing. 
There's no way to explain really

1066
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,000
what happened there. 
So, yeah, they've had all this 

1067
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,480
time to be like, we're never 
letting that happen again. 

1068
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,280
I mean, and they, they, they 
slammed the door on Iowa State 

1069
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,920
so hard at the conference. 
I mean, it was like, Oh my gosh,

1070
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,440
just watching that was, it was 
almost poetry in motion how good

1071
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,360
they they looked. 
And the spread is the, is the 

1072
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:31,520
spread not the scariest thing. 
Like they're one through 5 

1073
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,720
spread at conference was 8 
seconds. 

1074
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,160
Wow. 
I mean, especially considering 

1075
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:45,720
Brian Moussao is maybe the the, 
the second favorite to win, 

1076
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:47,800
right? 
It's happened Samuel, as Brian 

1077
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:54,680
Moussao, you know, and so if 
they if Brian Moussao gets 2nd 

1078
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,520
and they have a 5 second spread,
see ya, this is over. 

1079
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:03,400
Go home, everybody you know. 
With with last year's squad, 

1080
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:05,560
remember there was sort of like 
their uncertainty of like who 

1081
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:07,520
the line up was going to be. 
So who's the line up that you 

1082
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:08,960
think they're going to roll 
around this time? 

1083
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,040
Well, I mean, I think the five 
are really clear and I think 6 

1084
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:15,320
is probably clear too. 
It's Moussao, Kevin Yatich, 

1085
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,800
Gwadia, right? 
Ryan Chop Shoppy. 

1086
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,080
I still never, I'll never say 
his name. 

1087
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,600
Last name right from Moussaudi. 
And I think Laban could can boy 

1088
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:26,200
as well. 
I think he, I think they, they 

1089
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,800
held him back at, at regals. 
I think Musao held back at 

1090
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:29,960
regals. 
I think there's conversation 

1091
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:33,040
around why did Musao, you know, 
finish like wherever he finished

1092
00:57:33,040 --> 00:57:35,920
like 14th or 15th. 
But I, I, I don't think that's 

1093
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:40,000
the issue. 
And so, you know, and I think 

1094
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:41,360
they'll run a little mere head 
for their seven. 

1095
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:42,640
He's a senior. 
I think that makes sense. 

1096
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:45,960
So I think that's their seven. 
I think that was pretty clear. 

1097
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,160
I don't think there's question 
marks around that. 

1098
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:53,240
Case against. 
I think the case against is just

1099
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:57,520
Iowa State has a better day. 
You know, I think Iowa State has

1100
00:57:57,560 --> 00:57:59,920
the firepower to be the best 
team in the country, although it

1101
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:01,360
may be the Big 12. 
It was like what are you talking

1102
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:02,520
about? 
Isaac, did you watch that race? 

1103
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:03,760
Well, you know, I did not. 
But the results. 

1104
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:07,840
But I I still think Iowa State 
still has five guys that on on 

1105
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:09,960
the day are as good as Oklahoma 
State's five. 

1106
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,480
You know, they might not have 
the top end that they have with 

1107
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,040
Moose out and then that might be
able to you know, me might be 

1108
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,040
able to say say the same thing 
about Kevin Gaddich like that. 

1109
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,080
That guy is also maybe, you 
know, maybe maybe Oklahoma State

1110
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,520
can put two in front of their 
one at the end of the blaze. 

1111
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,160
But I think I think if there's a
case against it's, you know, 

1112
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,400
maybe they didn't maybe they 
should have run Ganz Creek. 

1113
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:32,880
Maybe they should have been on 
the course. 

1114
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,760
Maybe maybe not seeing the 
course before affected their 

1115
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:37,040
ability to run the tangents, 
right. 

1116
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:38,840
I do think that's a course that 
has some tangents that you need 

1117
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,800
to run, right? 
Like if I'm, if I'm a coach, I'm

1118
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,000
like, I'm like studying that 
pretty hard to be like, OK, 

1119
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,400
where do we need to like, where 
should you be at various points 

1120
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:49,360
on the course to kind of help 
you, you know, make sure you run

1121
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:51,080
the right way. 
Yeah. 

1122
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:54,200
Is there going to be a crazy 
part to this course? 

1123
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:57,000
I guess like from how you've 
seen it, where wasn't it in 

1124
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,560
Panorama Farms or there's a 
point where it really narrows, 

1125
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,600
like you start off super, super 
wide and then when it narrows 

1126
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:06,840
like it just everyone just ends 
up being single, like in a line 

1127
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,040
and there's very little passing 
and stuff. 

1128
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:12,280
So what are the key parts of of 
this course? 

1129
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,320
It it was made for cross 
country. 

1130
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:19,080
The thing about Panorama Farms, 
I think is different is they, 

1131
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,440
they kind of carved a cross 
country course out of it. 

1132
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,040
You know what I mean? 
I think, I think Gansbreak was 

1133
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:26,280
like, here's this mass plot of 
land. 

1134
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:29,200
We're going to make the perfect 
cross country course here. 

1135
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:33,120
And so I think you can move 
probably the whole time. 

1136
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:35,040
If it's sloppy, that's 
different, right? 

1137
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,040
I do think if it's sloppy, it 
changes things. 

1138
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:41,360
It is harder to move if that's 
the case, but I think I think it

1139
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,280
will be, you know, you should be
able to move through that field 

1140
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:47,040
as you want to and as you need 
to the whole time. 

1141
00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,960
I don't think the course will 
play that much of a factor 

1142
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,040
outside of maybe a familiarity 
and maybe if the weather's bad, 

1143
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,960
because it does look like 
Thursday, maybe Thursday it's 

1144
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,640
supposed to rain. 
We like. 

1145
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,160
That it makes it it makes it 
more interesting. 

1146
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,240
Slop it up. 
You know, 100%, yeah. 

1147
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:04,120
Almost like. 
Friday. 

1148
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:08,040
It looks like Friday, Friday, 
some potential for some 

1149
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,280
precipitation. 
So weatherman Isaac here says 

1150
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,920
maybe a 4040% chance of rain on 
Friday. 

1151
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:20,320
It's not great for the 
spectators, but it makes for 

1152
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:22,880
some better theatrics when it 
comes to to the bring. 

1153
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,080
Your bring your wellies OK for 
for the dirt for. 

1154
01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:29,720
The muck. 
All right, let's touch on the 

1155
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:36,760
individual title and race. 
So on the women's side, like it 

1156
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:41,120
feels like a crazy pressure to 
put on a freshman, but not 

1157
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:42,840
really because she's a 
generational talent. 

1158
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,560
But is this Jane's title to 
lose? 

1159
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,920
Yes. 
Dude, I mean, I don't know. 

1160
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:53,040
I do think this is not to 
detract from how good Doris 

1161
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:56,520
Unglay is or how good Pamela 
Cosguy is. 

1162
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,320
But Jane beat Pamela at 
regional. 

1163
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:03,440
They're really good, Yeah. 
Oh, I agree with that, yeah. 40 

1164
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,280
seconds on Pamela Cosguy. 
Right, right. 

1165
01:01:06,600 --> 01:01:09,040
I totally agree. 
The look back after crossing the

1166
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:12,440
finish line was pretty pretty 
baller in the video. 

1167
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:14,680
So good. 
Yeah, I totally agree with that.

1168
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:19,480
So I think that there's, yeah, 
it's, I think it's pretty clear.

1169
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,560
But what how do you think she's 
going to approach this race? 

1170
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:27,400
Because you know, for so many of
these, it's been just hit the 

1171
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:31,640
front and then step on the gas 
and keep going like there's like

1172
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,200
has it. 
Is that sort of what you're 

1173
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,600
going to come to expect this 
time around when she kind of 

1174
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,040
creates a spot for herself? 
Or do you think it'll be a 

1175
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:45,480
little bit more, hey, wait it 
out in first 2K and then go? 

1176
01:01:46,200 --> 01:01:48,240
You're shaking your head like 
Nah, I don't. 

1177
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,120
I don't know, I I've I've 
watched Jane run since he was 

1178
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:53,440
12. 
She's always done this. 

1179
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:58,560
That's how Jane runs. 
So I mean, you know, I don't 

1180
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,800
know, Coach Taylor is, is, you 
know, one of the not the best 

1181
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:02,960
coach in the country for a 
reason. 

1182
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,400
She'll she'll, she'll run it. 
That she she they will come up 

1183
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:09,720
with a plan. 
That's the the the right way for

1184
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,560
her. 
But I think the right way, 

1185
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:13,760
honestly, is how do you feel 
most comfortable running? 

1186
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,160
And how does Jane feel the most 
comfortable? 

1187
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:17,640
Hammer it. 
Yeah. 

1188
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:22,960
You know, why would you give 
women like Doris Lumgley and 

1189
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:26,800
Pamela Kos guy who are world 
class, even even an idea that 

1190
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:30,200
they can hang? 
Yeah, just put on a three flat 

1191
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,120
first K on that 3 flat, maybe 
faster, who knows? 

1192
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:36,680
And then just and just say, 
right, let's play. 

1193
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:41,680
That's that's always a very fun 
little prop bet that we have 

1194
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,360
among our team was the how fast 
is the first K? 

1195
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:45,920
What do you think it's going to 
be? 

1196
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:47,800
A prop Ed with no actual betting
right? 

1197
01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:49,080
We don't bet exactly. 
Correct. 

1198
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,760
A fun conversation between all 
of us. 

1199
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,840
The FBI is on everyone nowadays 
in sports that. 

1200
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:57,400
Would be terrible. 
I'm making it clear that's not 

1201
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:58,520
what I that's not what we're 
doing here. 

1202
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:02,240
So yeah, I mean, I think it is a
fun conversation though of like 

1203
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:03,960
how hard they're gonna go. 
I don't know. 

1204
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:06,240
But do you think Jane will go 
hard? 

1205
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,960
Is there is there AI wonder from
Jane's first race that there is 

1206
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:16,240
AK If there was a case split 
like that would be an 

1207
01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,560
interesting thing to see because
I think, you know, the like that

1208
01:03:19,560 --> 01:03:22,840
would be a good thing to think 
to look at and be like, OK, can 

1209
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,320
people should just repeat that 
again? 

1210
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:29,080
Do you, do you think that like 
if so, if there's a group that 

1211
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,400
tries to hang with her, it could
have and then ultimately they 

1212
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,240
fade and they start to fall 
back. 

1213
01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:41,160
That in the pack, yeah. 
Who Which team suffers the big 

1214
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,440
the biggest ramifications if 
that happens? 

1215
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:47,400
Well, I think as you said, we'll
run the smartest race. 

1216
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,880
Right, They're not going to 
they're not going to have a one 

1217
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:51,920
like their low stick going with 
Jane. 

1218
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,240
But I'm just saying like over 
the pack that will be around 

1219
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:55,800
Jane. 
And if they choose to try and 

1220
01:03:55,800 --> 01:04:01,280
hang on her, like which team is 
most at risk in having their low

1221
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:04,880
stick die? 
That's a good question. 

1222
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:10,520
So New Mexico. 
No, I think she's too good. 

1223
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:16,640
Florida. 
If maybe a Florida Hilda, maybe 

1224
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,200
a Florida maybe a team that I 
never gave props to last year, 

1225
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:24,440
by the way, that I need to 
change my ways is West 

1226
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,560
Virginia's women. 
Yeah, they were really good last

1227
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,920
year. 
They're not quite the same team,

1228
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:32,840
but join Alcott, Mercy, Kenny 
and Julie are really good. 

1229
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,760
I could see maybe though, 
they're a team that like we 

1230
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:39,760
could have this conversation on 
Saturday and be like, yeah, 

1231
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:41,640
Isaac screwed up again. 
Didn't talk about West Virginia.

1232
01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,760
They were on the podium. 
Not sure if they're there, but 

1233
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,640
they probably should have a 
conversation about how that 

1234
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:49,520
they're in that mix. 
But I will say that maybe maybe,

1235
01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,200
you know, if Joy Alcott tries to
go with that group and then 

1236
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:54,440
can't hang, maybe that would 
really hurt West Virginia a 

1237
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,640
little bit from being like a 
team that could get there again 

1238
01:04:56,640 --> 01:05:00,600
to not. 
I did find the first K from from

1239
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,800
the pre Nats race and I forgot 
that Jane ran with them for AK. 

1240
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:08,560
She just let she, she ran, she 
ran with them through through 

1241
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:12,760
three KA 3K she finally took the
lead and then by 4K she was up 8

1242
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:16,280
seconds and then by 5K she was 
up 19 seconds and then by the 

1243
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,600
end she won by 23 seconds. 
So. 

1244
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:23,400
What was the first K split? 
Three O 7, so they'll be faster 

1245
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:28,360
than that. 3 flat, 3 flat. 
I'd say that's awesome. 

1246
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:33,600
All right over at the men's side
is it is Haptam. 

1247
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:36,640
Samuel has been the bridesmaid, 
but never the bride. 

1248
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,960
Is this finally the time? 
It's time. 

1249
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:45,000
It is time. 
Yep, I think Haptam is as ready 

1250
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:47,160
as anyone's been. 
I also think the thing that, you

1251
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:51,880
know, like I think if you had a 
guy like him coming to, that's 

1252
01:05:51,880 --> 01:05:53,440
AA, right? 
Like where he was two years ago.

1253
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,040
And, you know, it's it's just 
always a little bit more of a 

1254
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:58,560
question mark. 
Like this is their first big, 

1255
01:05:58,560 --> 01:05:59,600
big answer. 
The blame eat. 

1256
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:02,440
It's just different. 
That meat is just a different 

1257
01:06:02,440 --> 01:06:03,640
meat. 
Can he handle it? 

1258
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:06,960
And he's run well both times. 
This is this is his third time 

1259
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,120
at this. 
He's he knows what this meat 

1260
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:11,280
feels like. 
As long as that guy's got both 

1261
01:06:11,280 --> 01:06:14,320
shoes on, you know, and he can 
kick down the race, it's 

1262
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,120
probably his race to win. 
The scary thing is, and we're 

1263
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,800
going to, you know, segue to my 
next thought here is I still 

1264
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:22,480
really, really like Brian 
Moussao. 

1265
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:27,280
He's a sub 135K guy. 
I mean, right, Like I know what 

1266
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,720
happens runs up 27. 
So that's the same, you know, 

1267
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,480
like, whoa factor maybe even 
better. 

1268
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:36,480
But I, I, I think I think the 
last person happened Samuel 

1269
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:41,080
wants on his shoulder with 400 
to go is Brian Moussao, because 

1270
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,240
I think Graham Blanks pulled 
away from him in a similar 

1271
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,920
fashion. 
Like I wonder, I think captain 

1272
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:47,520
needs to slam the door on that 
thing at 8. 

1273
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,200
Ki think at 8K he needs to just 
he needs to just win it. 

1274
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:56,080
Just go win it. 
OK, so then I did put out the 

1275
01:06:56,080 --> 01:07:01,800
tweet about 96 town hall and 
scholar book athletes. 

1276
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:06,280
Like I, I don't know what the 
stats have been for previous 

1277
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:09,760
years in terms of number of 
Kenyan athletes who are 

1278
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:11,320
competing at the NCAA 
Championships. 

1279
01:07:11,320 --> 01:07:13,840
This feels like it's an all time
high. 

1280
01:07:14,200 --> 01:07:18,480
So then, you know, I presume a 
bunch of them will comprise the 

1281
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,080
top ten, top 20. 
Who's the top American? 

1282
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,680
Rocky Hansen. 
Rocky Hansen, Yeah, Yeah. 

1283
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:27,160
I mean, he looks so good in his 
regional. 

1284
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:32,600
I mean, he, he, you know, I 
think he's going to, he'll, he's

1285
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:35,480
going to surprise the people. 
Is this top five? 

1286
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:39,480
Yeah, I think he hangs in that. 
The guy's got moxie. 

1287
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:42,320
He's got Connor Mann's kind of 
aura, in my opinion. 

1288
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,560
Except, you know. 
Except he gets hurt very often. 

1289
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:51,200
Well, so does Connor. 
So I think that Rocky is someone

1290
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:56,000
that, you know, just wants to he
something I've worked on my team

1291
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:57,560
with all year. 
Maybe if there's other coaches 

1292
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:00,040
listening to this, they can 
relate is like helping your 

1293
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:03,760
athletes, like explore that 
upper limit, you know, and like 

1294
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:05,880
really figuring out if you can 
do it. 

1295
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:11,040
Rocky does that every race. 
Like there's no you'd never 

1296
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:15,120
question if that guy, you know, 
tried or not to see what he 

1297
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:17,359
could do, right. 
A lot of guys just want to run a

1298
01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:20,000
conservative early race, like 
feel good about how it went and 

1299
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,279
move their way through. 
And that's great. 

1300
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:22,439
That's that's not a bad 
approach. 

1301
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:24,640
But you're, you know, you're 
always going to wonder, like, 

1302
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:27,279
what could I have done? 
How to just laid it all out 

1303
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:28,800
there. 
Rocky lays it all out there, and

1304
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:33,840
that's fun to watch. 
So then somewhere not too far 

1305
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:35,640
behind is Gary Martin. 
Really. 

1306
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:41,040
Yeah, Gary, Gary and Gary and 
and Rocky will have a fun little

1307
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:42,680
battle for the top American. 
Probably. 

1308
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:44,439
Yeah. 
I just, I don't think we've 

1309
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:46,640
again, you know, we'd already 
mentioned Gary a little bit and 

1310
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,800
I just wanted to make sure Rocky
has flowers there too. 

1311
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:54,160
I mean, I like, I like both of 
them, but I think, you know, and

1312
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,640
they've had some, you know, 
they've had some, some head to 

1313
01:08:56,640 --> 01:09:00,200
heads, right. 
And Rocky got him at Rocky got 

1314
01:09:00,200 --> 01:09:05,680
him at ACCS and and he got him 
at at Southeast Region. 

1315
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:07,920
So hard enough to think that 
Rocky is maybe the guy. 

1316
01:09:08,439 --> 01:09:11,399
Jane saved us some time on the 
women's side because, you know, 

1317
01:09:11,399 --> 01:09:16,920
she hits all the boxes of top 
American overall winner and then

1318
01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,080
top freshman on the men's side, 
Top freshman. 

1319
01:09:21,560 --> 01:09:23,359
Top freshman? 
OK, it should be. 

1320
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:26,319
OK, this is where it gets a 
little complicated. 

1321
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:29,120
Yeah, top international freshman
and top American freshman. 

1322
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:32,120
That this is where it gets a 
little scary. 

1323
01:09:33,319 --> 01:09:35,880
I mean, Kelvin Terry probably. 
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 

1324
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:38,479
From Florida. 
From Florida yeah, he's a 

1325
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:42,200
freshman and he's he's he's 
looked good all year hard not to

1326
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:46,319
think that he's he's gonna be 
that mix and another Homer for 

1327
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:48,399
top freshman Americans probably 
tape and kitchen from. 

1328
01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:51,040
BYU, he's look good. 
He's look good and I don't and I

1329
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:55,440
just don't think I think he's, 
he's prepared for this. 

1330
01:09:55,440 --> 01:09:58,800
You know, he he again, he comes 
from just that high level high 

1331
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,280
school background where he rents
so many high level meats. 

1332
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:05,560
He was racing my guys at like 
the UW invites and and and, you 

1333
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:07,920
know, this big college racism. 
He's just fearless, you know, 

1334
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,240
like he's just, he's really, I 
think so. 

1335
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:11,760
I think, yeah. 
Top freshman American. 

1336
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:14,920
You know, maybe that's Taven. 
Perfect. 

1337
01:10:15,480 --> 01:10:20,320
All right, well, we will wait 
for Friday for the final 

1338
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:24,160
predictions as you work on all 
of your projections. 

1339
01:10:24,160 --> 01:10:28,440
But for the people who are 
curious, the 2025 NCAA Cross 

1340
01:10:28,440 --> 01:10:31,600
Country Championships will be 
taking place this Saturday at 

1341
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:35,560
Grants at Ganz Creek Cross 
Country Course in Columbia, MO. 

1342
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:40,960
And if you can't make it out to 
Missouri in order to watch, you 

1343
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:46,120
can stream it on ESPNU from 
10:00 AM to 12:00 PM Eastern 

1344
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:49,760
Time. 
And then I think Saturday is 

1345
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:54,640
also the day for the NCA, D2 and
D3 championships and they'll be 

1346
01:10:54,640 --> 01:11:00,920
taking, you can stream those on 
nca.com, but ESPNU will be your 

1347
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:07,040
ticket to be able to watch live.
So the CDs Mag team will have 

1348
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:11,680
boots on the ground in Missouri 
and Isaac will be chopping it up

1349
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:15,520
with a bunch of coaches and then
bringing us his insights on 

1350
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,400
Friday. 
And stay tuned for some more 

1351
01:11:18,400 --> 01:11:21,480
interviews and coverage. 
But always good to pick the 

1352
01:11:21,480 --> 01:11:24,280
brain of our cross country guru,
Isaac Wood. 

1353
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:26,880
Thank you, Chris, looking for 
the weekend. 

1354
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:28,600
It's going to be great. 
Last week of the year. 

1355
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:32,160
Thank you all for listening to 
this episode. 

1356
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:34,240
This episode was produced by 
Jasmine Fair. 

1357
01:11:34,440 --> 01:11:37,080
I love doing this for you guys. 
So please do me a favor and 

1358
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,840
leave a five star view on Apple 
Podcast or Spotify. 

1359
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:42,520
That helps us grow the show and 
get even more awesome guests. 

1360
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:44,520
Let me know what you're enjoying
about the show. 

1361
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,000
Make sure you're subscribed or 
following on your favorite 

1362
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:48,840
podcast. 
Players, please share this 

1363
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,200
episode with your friends if you
think that they'll get any value

1364
01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,480
or inspiration out of it. 
Let's build this thing together.

1365
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:55,640
Visit cityofsmack.com for a lot 
more. 

1366
01:11:55,640 --> 01:11:58,040
We've got a brand new website 
with tons more articles, videos 

1367
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,480
and podcasts. 
As always, I love track and 

1368
01:12:00,480 --> 01:12:02,640
field. 
I'm Chris Chavez, see you next 

1369
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:02,880
time.