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Today, the recurring guest is 33 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:35,360 back. Conor Mance returns to the show 34 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,200 before he takes on one of the longest standing marks in 35 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,320 American distance running Khalid Kanuchi's two O 538 American 36 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:45,360 record in the marathon. It's been 23 years since anyone 37 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,120 has touched that time, and if there's an American ready to 38 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,360 rewrite the standard, it's Conor Mance. 39 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:56,240 He's already run faster. He ran 2O5O8 this spring in 40 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,720 Boston, but because that course is not record eligible, it 41 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,240 doesn't count towards the record books. 42 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,360 Chicago will be his chance to make it official. 43 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:07,480 As we've unpacked on the show all throughout the year, it's 44 00:02:07,480 --> 00:02:08,680 been a breakthrough year for him. 45 00:02:08,759 --> 00:02:12,160 In January he took down Ryan Hall's American record in the 46 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:16,320 half marathon with a 5917 in Houston. 47 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,600 He ran a little faster in another non record eligible race 48 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,960 at the NYC half in March. In April, he went stride for 49 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,560 stride with some 2O2 and 2O3 guys in Boston and finished 50 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:32,880 fourth, just shy of the podium. This weekend, he'll line up in 51 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:36,040 Chicago as America's top marathoner and also someone who 52 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,160 continues to take the next steps to becoming one of the best in 53 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,480 the world. He's got his quiet confidence to 54 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,440 him. We've grown accustomed to seeing 55 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,040 him test his limits in workouts and in these races. 56 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:49,720 So in this episode, we talk about what it takes to chase a 57 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,520 record like this, how this build compares to others, what exactly 58 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,520 his race plan is going to be and how he's sizing up his 59 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,240 competitors. So without further ado, welcome 60 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:14,000 back Connor Mance. All right, you know how it goes. 61 00:03:14,360 --> 00:03:18,680 My Co host is back, Conor Mance, back on the City of Mag podcast, 62 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,920 getting ready for the Chicago Marathon, which you've already 63 00:03:24,920 --> 00:03:27,520 been pretty vocal about calling your shot. 64 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,800 You're going after the American Record. 65 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,640 It feels sort of like inevitable given the fact that you ran 66 00:03:33,640 --> 00:03:37,520 2O5O8 on the Boston Marathon course, which is faster than 67 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:41,600 like the American record, but you got it, get it for sure on a 68 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,720 record eligible course. But how are we feeling? 69 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:46,720 You know, it's race week at this point. 70 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:51,480 I'm feeling pretty good. I mean, the taper is always a 71 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,000 little, a little weird 'cause like you start being like 72 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,120 everything doesn't feel good, but then you start running like, 73 00:03:57,120 --> 00:04:00,360 oh, everything feels super normal and familiar. 74 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:05,240 So yeah, things are pretty good as far as I can tell. 75 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,920 I guess that's like the one thing that people kind of like 76 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,600 to point out is like was Connor hurt at any point in the lead 77 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,560 up? Because you tend to do have like 78 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:17,120 that clutch up moment for races because there was maybe a little 79 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,800 bit of an injury in the lead up to the like a race. 80 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,960 I think this was the case what before trials in 2024, 81 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:28,800 Obviously, you know, before Houston half and it's sort of 82 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,960 like Connor needs a little bit of adversity before the big 83 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:36,360 race, but it judging off of your Strava smooth sailing this 84 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,520 build. Yeah, yeah, I think it's I've 85 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,240 been healthy for the most part throughout this entire build. 86 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:46,560 I had like I, I twisted my back funny while lifting one day and 87 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,200 that led to like a week of just my back hurt. 88 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:55,000 And then for like 3 weeks after New Haven I had a blister that 89 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,440 like got worse and worse. Actually it wasn't really a 90 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,480 blister. It's just like a nice gash 91 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:07,040 through my toe, but I got it super glued together and it 92 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:12,160 healed up for the most part. It hasn't hasn't been open for 93 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:17,360 about two weeks now. So hoping that that that stays 94 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:22,680 shut through the rest of through at least 26.2 miles on on 95 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,880 Sunday. Not actually super glue though, 96 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:26,840 right? No, it was actually super glue. 97 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:30,080 Like the really there was like a different thing. 98 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,200 I went to some athletic chain or is it the US ski and snowboard 99 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:37,200 thing or I should say physios, and they were going to use a 100 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,000 material that's like super glue that's more meant for your skin. 101 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:43,560 That's like specific for when skiers or snowboarders cut their 102 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,680 legs open from like a ski or snowboard or something. 103 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,120 And it sounded like pretty great stuff. 104 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:50,520 I was like, awesome, do that on my toe. 105 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,760 Like that's not going to, it's going to heal it quickly. 106 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,200 And they like couldn't find it. And so the next day I went to a 107 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:00,320 different athletic trainer and he was like, Oh yeah, let's just 108 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:02,080 use super glue. Oh wow. 109 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,200 Literally like I had a little thing of super good and just 110 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:08,840 super good together. All right, So it's been a one 111 00:06:08,840 --> 00:06:11,640 time of like application or it's like, do you think like you'll 112 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,200 have to just like just add a precaution re up before the race 113 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:16,240 day? I probably should. 114 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,280 I could talk to, I could talk to somebody. 115 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:21,160 But yeah, that was like the most painful. 116 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:25,000 Like that in the back were the only, only things and like I 117 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,920 kept running through them both. It was just very painful on my 118 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:29,640 toe. Which toe is it? 119 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,840 It's my big toe. On the right or left? 120 00:06:32,840 --> 00:06:35,440 My right foot. It didn't like lead to like a 121 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,040 bloody shoe or anything, did it? Or did it in new? 122 00:06:38,280 --> 00:06:41,360 Like every every time I ran my sock was bloody. 123 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,280 Oh wow for like 3 weeks actually. 124 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:46,840 Like from New Haven. Like I just got really bad 125 00:06:46,840 --> 00:06:49,520 blessed dude. I think this is just something 126 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,600 that happens to me everywhere I race. 127 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:56,600 If it's even slightly humid, I will have like bloody feet by 128 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,960 the end of it. But my toes are all like they my 129 00:06:59,960 --> 00:07:04,600 toes are pretty messed up as it is more information people want 130 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:06,680 to know. But like my like second toes on 131 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,160 both on both feet are like bent like this. 132 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:15,080 And so I get like these nasty blisters and like it's I don't 133 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,320 know the when you run somewhere humid, the blisters like get 134 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,880 really bad and then they pop and then just blood everywhere. 135 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:23,840 So. I mean, what is it? 136 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,720 The famous Curt Schilling in baseball with a bloody sock, I 137 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,240 guess pitching for the Boston Red Sox. 138 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,080 So like this is you're, you're looking for your yeah, like 139 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:36,320 your, your bloody sock or shoe moment here in in Chicago. 140 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:39,520 But we're hoping that it doesn't get to to that point. 141 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:41,440 But All in all. Hoping that workouts. 142 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:43,680 Yeah, yeah. OK. 143 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,480 I mean, we, we were talking about this before we started 144 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:47,200 recording. Have you started checking the 145 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:48,920 weather? Yeah, yeah. 146 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,640 So I had to make a deal with myself so I wouldn't overthink 147 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:52,960 it. I can check it once a day. 148 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,840 I checked a few days ago. I was checking out like multiple 149 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:03,760 websites like it was like both Apple and I can't even remember 150 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,280 the other one and they were like completely different. 151 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:09,040 Like Apple was saying is going to be pretty warm and the other 152 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:11,040 one was saying is going to be pretty cold and windy. 153 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:19,760 So like, do I want like still no wind and hot or windy and, and 154 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,080 good temperature? And I was like, well, I can't 155 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,000 change it either way. So what? 156 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,880 What do I need to worry about? There's nothing I can really 157 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:29,000 change my training now. But when I checked today, it 158 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:33,720 looked like pretty nice. It was like mid 50s at the start 159 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,400 and probably low 60s by the finish. 160 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:41,280 So a little more humid than I would like and a little windy, 161 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,000 but less windy than both other times around Chicago. 162 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,920 So that's that's pretty good. Yeah. 163 00:08:46,920 --> 00:08:49,280 And then on top of that, I feel like the one thing to note 164 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:53,600 that's different is just sort of like it's been now almost like a 165 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,200 year and a half of just heat training has just become a 166 00:08:57,200 --> 00:09:01,000 staple for your whole entire build up. 167 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,440 I mean, there hasn't been a training block that hasn't 168 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:07,880 incorporated sauna suits or just straight up time in sauna after 169 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,800 all of your workouts or easy runs. 170 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:14,520 So the heat acclimation and heat training is there. 171 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,560 Yeah, Yeah, I've been, I mean, you kind of have to do it now. 172 00:09:18,560 --> 00:09:21,440 I feel like everyone's trying to do every little thing to get 173 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:26,240 that much better. And you do it regardless if it's 174 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,120 going to be hot on a race day or not because there's just some 175 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,120 not any big benefits, but a lot of the little benefits that can 176 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,560 help you get there so or get get to be a little bit better. 177 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:41,560 Overall, I guess this training block picking up, you know, off 178 00:09:41,560 --> 00:09:43,400 of Boston Marathon. Yeah. 179 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:47,200 I mean, you ran the 10K hit the pre classic, which I remember 180 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:49,160 when we chatted afterwards, you're just like, all right, 181 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:54,520 that's my sign to just now start to get back to to the roads and 182 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,840 like, it didn't go as well as you had hoped. 183 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,760 And then the marathon training block started shortly thereafter 184 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,240 that. But what are the overarching 185 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,960 lessons that you took away from the Boston Marathon where you 186 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:07,840 finished fourth just off the podium? 187 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,480 But it was just sort of like a big confidence builder for sure, 188 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,240 like a exclamation of just sort of like the training works and 189 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,520 like you're seeing the potential that you have on the global 190 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,640 stage. And so now you've got to kind 191 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,920 of, I mean, you're looking to replicate that in in Chicago, 192 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:26,760 where it's bound to be faster too. 193 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,480 Right, right. And I think the biggest thing I 194 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:33,080 took from Boston, there's a few things. 195 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,400 The only the biggest thing was confidence because it was like I 196 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,800 I believed I could be up there. I believed I could be fighting 197 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:41,880 for a podium spot and even close to a win. 198 00:10:42,440 --> 00:10:44,680 And it just didn't happen in that New York build. 199 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,680 I think or I think the build was great for New York. 200 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:52,480 I just think when the running got tough in the race, I kind of 201 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,800 chickened out a little bit and I think I made some little 202 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:00,320 mistakes that ended up being bigger mistakes mid race. 203 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:03,280 But it was nice. Like Boston was like, OK, like 204 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,040 what I'm doing is working. I'm not in this, you know, I'm 205 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,520 not on a before New York, I feel like I told everybody like I'm 206 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:13,320 in great shape and in Boston I'm like I'm in the same shape, you 207 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,760 know, I feel like that was nice because it was is validating. 208 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,400 It wasn't like I was like, you know, blowing smoke or anything. 209 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:24,080 It was just no, I was actually in, I actually was ready and I 210 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:25,440 think Boston kind of showed that. 211 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,560 However, it wasn't like, and there was another another lesson 212 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:34,280 I learned in Boston was I think I tried to I tried to be a 213 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,920 little tactical the last few miles and then like make a huge 214 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,840 move at 1000 ago and it didn't drop any of those guys. 215 00:11:41,560 --> 00:11:44,000 And I look back now and I'm like, well, we were really 216 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,560 closing on John career. So next time I'm in a race, I'm 217 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:50,080 just going to keep pushing and not I'm not even going to like 218 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,320 think about I need to do this to beat these guys. 219 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,560 I'm just going to think about just get to the finish line as 220 00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:57,600 fast as possible. And I kind of used that involved 221 00:11:57,600 --> 00:11:59,120 in Boulder and I thought it helped me there. 222 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:03,560 But other than like those those things, Boston was kind of hard 223 00:12:03,560 --> 00:12:04,960 afterward. You know, you talk. 224 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,560 I don't know if I talked to you about this last time, but like I 225 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:10,360 didn't get the post Olympic Blues. 226 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,720 Like the Olympics ended and I was like sweet, like, let's go 227 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,520 to New York, like let's go to the next race. 228 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:17,840 New York ended. I'm like, let's go to the next 229 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:19,600 marathon and ended up being Boston. 230 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:25,280 And I didn't feel like this, like I don't know, like this was 231 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,600 like let down feeling. And then Boston happened and it 232 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:32,160 was like I finished the race where I did almost everything. 233 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:35,880 Well, I did for how I wanted to run the race and the plan before 234 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:40,160 and I did everything right. And I was like, well, is 235 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:41,960 everything right? Only 4th place. 236 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,640 Like he was kind of like this, like let down. 237 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,200 Like I thought the day I do everything perfect, I'm going to 238 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,160 win a race, you know? So the few like that, I don't 239 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,920 know, the three weeks, four weeks after Boston, it was hard 240 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:57,320 to like mentally like revamp and just be like, I'm going to race 241 00:12:57,320 --> 00:12:59,960 another marathon this fall and go for the record. 242 00:12:59,960 --> 00:13:02,880 And it was just kind of hard because it was like, I feel like 243 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:04,640 I just had the perfect race, you know? 244 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:13,440 Yeah, Chicago, Chicago, Chicago. We are coming in hot. 245 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:15,520 Extra cheese and extra speed because we're taking over a 246 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:20,000 pizza shop for this one. This upcoming weekend we're 247 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,000 teaming up with Hoka at Happy Camper Chicago. 248 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,200 It's an Old Town for marathon weekend. 249 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,480 Come hang out at the Hoka Cheer Zone where we'll be hosting a 250 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,360 live alternate broadcast. Watch along of the men's and 251 00:13:33,360 --> 00:13:36,280 women's elite races. It's the place where you'll be 252 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:40,480 able to get real time reactions, our own commentary, splits and 253 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,760 insights from Eric Jenkins, Karen Lesowitz, Paul Hoff 254 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:47,640 Mahoney and myself. Yes, we'll also have some 255 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,160 surprise giveaways for marathon finishers. 256 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,000 If you are in Chicago, you do not want to miss it. 257 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,280 We'll be unveiling what the commemorative item will be in 258 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,840 the coming days. The stream will kick off Sunday 259 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:05,560 at 7:15 AM Central Time. So TuneIn and don't miss a 260 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:10,000 chance to try the brand new Rocket X3 and the Up Tempo Mock 261 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,560 X3. If you're in Chicago and can 262 00:14:12,560 --> 00:14:16,280 attend the Hoka Hub at the Marathon Expo all weekend long. 263 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:18,240 Hoka's got tons of events lined up. 264 00:14:18,560 --> 00:14:21,840 Wednesday, October 8th, the One Chicago Dinner for all of the 265 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,240 run crews in attendance hosted by Peace Runners 773. 266 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,760 Friday, October 10th there's some poster making, sushi bites 267 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,680 and mini recovery sessions out of the Hoka Chicago store. 268 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,680 Saturday, October 11th there's a shake out run with Free People 269 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:40,560 movement out of their place. Sunday, October 12th custom shoe 270 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:44,400 art by muralist Amuse 126 with some live music. 271 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,000 And then the day after the race you're going to want to remember 272 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:50,520 that moment, the performance. There's metal engravings hosted 273 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:53,280 by 7:00 on Sunday Out of Frame Chicago. 274 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:58,360 You can RSVP, get the addresses, the times, all of the details 275 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,720 through Hoka's Eventbrite link in the show notes. 276 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,120 We've also linked to it on the Sidious Mag Instagram bio. 277 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,920 So check it all out today. We will see you. 278 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,640 Soon, Chicago. The other thing too is just sort 279 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,360 of get a very public build. I feel like in the lead up to 280 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:21,000 Boston where it was Houston was like, you know, a big sort of 281 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,120 showcase of your fitness of like what could be now just sort of 282 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,200 then from there, I think it was like 2, two and a half, three 283 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,320 more months of training and if you stayed healthy, plus then 284 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,080 you ran faster at NYC half. And so like there were these 285 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,920 moments along the way that it's like, oh, wait, we knew that 286 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:39,480 something big was going to happen in Boston. 287 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,360 And then this time around it, it's a little bit different. 288 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:44,640 There are races that you ran this summer. 289 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:49,400 There was boulder Boulder, there was beach to beacon the the 20 K 290 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,400 championships. So what makes this build sort 291 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:58,680 of, I mean, but it's not sort of like the half marathon that like 292 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,200 captivates everyone's headlines and all that stuff. 293 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:05,440 But I mean, you were stacking fitness from 1 build to the 294 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:06,880 next. So how are those two different? 295 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:12,080 It is hard comparing them because yeah, I would have 296 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:16,520 rather just had two really good half marathons than a few good 297 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,280 10 KS and they're and a good 20K. 298 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:22,840 There's a lot I wish I could have done differently, maybe 299 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,120 like race rise, but they're the races I wanted to do were either 300 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:29,920 too far to travel to or too close to Chicago where the risk 301 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:33,640 wasn't worth the risk wasn't worth it. 302 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,760 So yeah, this build is definitely even different in 303 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,720 that sense. Like I didn't get like New York 304 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:43,080 City half was a huge confidence booster for me in preparation 305 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,200 for Boston because New York City half is pretty hilly. 306 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:50,120 There's some steep downhills, There's some steep uphills and 307 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:54,000 it's, it's a great, it's a great prep for the Boston Marathon. 308 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:59,400 I mean, 20, the 20 K was kind of flat beach to Beacon. 309 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,160 I mean, it's kind of rollers at both those races. 310 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,560 You're not really ever running completely flat, but I do think 311 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:07,400 there was some good confidence to come from those. 312 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:12,440 I think the 10K at beach to Beacon was good because I, I 313 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,920 pretty much tied my PR like, you know, we round up to the next 314 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:20,560 second on the road. So I ran 2726, but it's probably 315 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:24,319 2725 point something. So I tied my track PR on the 316 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:28,720 roads and that was a nice feeling, especially after the 317 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,560 way Prefontaine went Boulder. Boulder was a good, good 318 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:34,080 confidence boost because it was running through the line even 319 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:38,600 from like a mile and a half out. I wasn't focused on, I wasn't 320 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,200 complacent. I was very much like, I'm just 321 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:41,760 going to run through the line no matter what. 322 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,240 And so that was, that was a really good confidence for me. 323 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:49,920 And then 20 Ki had a goal beforehand, just kind of a 324 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,320 process goal. I had a bad attitude handing 325 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,720 into that race. Just I didn't really want to do 326 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,360 20K again. It's it's just a tough course 327 00:17:57,360 --> 00:18:00,000 and I've never, I had never run very fast there. 328 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:05,480 But this last time I think like I made a little process goal of 329 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:10,160 once I hit the, there's a left turn, it like 1.5 miles left or 330 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,840 something like that. And I was like, once I hit that, 331 00:18:12,840 --> 00:18:15,400 I'm just going to go and I'm just going to like push really 332 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,440 hard. And looking at, you know, if 333 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:22,320 going off my GPS watch, I think I ran like a 417 average for 334 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,160 that last 1 1/2 miles. And that was, I was pretty 335 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,280 comforting and encouraging because it was like I ran, I was 336 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:36,840 running decently fast and then I closed sub 420 pace for 2 1/2 337 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:39,960 miles. So or 1 1/2 miles and so it's 338 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:43,120 like OK, like I'm, I'm in a good spot where even if maybe I'm not 339 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:44,880 feeling the best, I'm not tapered. 340 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:50,040 If a move is made, I can match a move and I can I can get down to 341 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,560 like really fast pace and be OK and still finish strong so. 342 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,160 When you said before that you said that you were in great 343 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:01,440 shape in the lead up to New York and then you would tell people 344 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,960 you were in the same shape, you know, leading into Boston and 345 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,120 then it, it was obviously validated by the performance. 346 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:12,280 How do we feel about this one? Like better shape than Boston? 347 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:16,040 I, I would hope so and then we'll, we'll find out on on 348 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:19,680 Sunday. But workouts have gone very 349 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,200 similar. However, this time I've been 350 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:27,840 staying at 7 / 7000 feet doing a lot of my easy runs up here at 351 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,960 in Park City. Probably a lot of my almost all 352 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,760 my easy runs are about 6000 to 7000 feet is where I'll start. 353 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,920 And then I've I've ran a little bit more mileage than I did 354 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,120 Boston. I think for Boston I had three 355 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:46,880 weeks at like 125 and this one I think I had six or seven. 356 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,600 I have to look back on it at 125 or higher. 357 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:54,160 And so I've done a like, it's not a ton more mileage, but 358 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:59,200 it's, you know, probably an average of three or two 5 miles 359 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:03,400 more per week. And so it's, it's just a little 360 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:05,920 bit more. So I would hope hope I'm faster 361 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:09,400 but. We'll we'll find out on Sunday. 362 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,240 Yeah. Do you feel like you've been you 363 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:17,720 were digging as deep and pushing as hard in the workouts this go 364 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,680 around? Because, I mean, there's part of 365 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,680 it, it was like you had Clayton was further along in his build 366 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:26,360 for the World Championships. And so like, it helps because 367 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:31,360 he's more fit and he's able to probably like hang, you know, 368 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,680 when you're still a couple weeks behind in sort of your own sort 369 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,240 of marathon training block. So that kind of helps compress 370 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,280 the gap a little bit, but you're still just much further ahead 371 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:43,760 than him. Like, how did you feel about 372 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,400 just sort of like the efforts and workouts? 373 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:49,640 Like this feels like it was one of the build UPS where because 374 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:54,480 you were so low for this race, like at your level, Coach Isom 375 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,120 probably had to let you off the leash a little bit more. 376 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:59,560 A little bit. I think it was nice having it 377 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,080 was obviously nice having Clayton there for, you know, he 378 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:08,880 was I, I'm, I don't get Clayton. Sometimes it seems like he just, 379 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,840 you know, he goes from his marathon back and then he just 380 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,520 like, it's like, OK, now I'm going to like get better every 381 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:18,600 week till I get to my race. And I don't know, for me, I feel 382 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:23,520 like I'm, you know, at this my, my slope is a lot more shallow 383 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:27,000 than Clayton or yeah, less steep than Clayton's. 384 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,680 And Clayton's just has his very steep slope until his racing. 385 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,120 So it was good for me having Clayton there. 386 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:36,640 And we had like, we had some really good workouts together. 387 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,560 Casey actually helped me out too. 388 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,520 And it was, it was kind of cool to see. 389 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,320 I don't know, I don't know if I was working harder or running 390 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:49,960 and, or working less hard in certain workouts, but it was, it 391 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,960 was nice that during certain parts of the build I had people 392 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,480 that were helping push me. While usually Clayton, it seems 393 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,800 like, you know, it isn't until about 3 weeks to go. 394 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,240 He'll have like one or two random weeks where he's with me 395 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:06,400 in the build and then it's like he, he get catches up at like 2 396 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,280 to 3 weeks to go and then he's neck and neck with me and 397 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:14,320 everything, which is both frustrating and funny. 398 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,760 I mean, just, we're just different athletes. 399 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,640 Like I, I start out here and he starts out here and by the end 400 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:24,680 we're both up here. So I don't know, I think certain 401 00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:29,280 things did feel easier this go around and certain things were 402 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:30,880 harder. I I don't know, I don't know how 403 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:32,400 to answer that question very well. 404 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,520 Yeah, well, it was hard. There were just some workout 405 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,880 weeks where I'd get very, I realized what I ran the last 406 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,560 build and I'd be like, I have to beat that. 407 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:46,440 And then I think I would, I, they were, it was like a two 408 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:50,840 week thing or a week thing where I was, I started almost racing 409 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:53,760 my previous like this is the best pickup I've ever done in a 410 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,400 long run. This is the best tempo I've ever 411 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,600 had. This is the best whatever. 412 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:02,720 And I got, I got very, I was comparing too much. 413 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,960 I was comparing with myself. Like I realized, you know, 414 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,600 sometimes you compare with other athletes and that's, you know, 415 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,800 I, I obviously try and stay away from that in training. 416 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:16,360 I just know what works for me and I don't need to compare to 417 00:23:16,360 --> 00:23:20,360 what Clayton or Casey or anybody else in the group is doing. 418 00:23:20,360 --> 00:23:24,480 But then I didn't realize I had an unhealthy, I had to work. 419 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,560 I was talking to sports psychologist about a few weeks 420 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,600 ago and he was like, you have an unhealthy like comparison issue 421 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,960 with yourself. And I realized that was that was 422 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,720 a big issue I was having. I was, I was like looking at my 423 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:42,200 workouts like, Oh, well, I did this workout before Boston and 424 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,880 I'd be, I'd be just like cherry picking, like this is my best 425 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,640 workout before this build. Oh, when we're doing it again 426 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:51,080 this time, Well, I did this same workout or a different workout 427 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,840 at this build and it was, I don't know. 428 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,040 I'd look at my best two set of two mile repeats and my best set 429 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,720 of three mile repeats in my best tempo and my best PMP. 430 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,640 And I was like, why am I not better than all of my best in 431 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,760 the past? And I, it was a, it was just a 432 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,640 bad mentality. I don't know why I was doing 433 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,800 that for like a week or two. When did you stop doing that? 434 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,560 I was only doing it for a week or two. 435 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:17,520 So I stopped doing it probably just over 3 weeks ago. 436 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,840 It was like the first meeting with the sports psychologist, so 437 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,920 and I was about, yeah, about 3 weeks ago. 438 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:25,320 So I'd already noticed it was not good for me. 439 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,840 But then when he said something, he's like, you have an issue 440 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,640 with comparison. It was that, that kind of like 441 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,760 hit hard because it was like, no, I don't like, I don't, I'm 442 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,560 not comparing myself to other people's workouts. 443 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,560 He's like, now you're comparing yourself to your own workouts. 444 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,720 Like that's still on how if you don't go into workouts trying to 445 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:42,960 erase them. And I was like, oh, you're 446 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,640 right. I don't, I don't know why that 447 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,360 was a thing for like a week or two. 448 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:50,880 And it was like when coach was in, when coach was in Tokyo, so. 449 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,400 This episode of the City of Smack podcast is brought to you 450 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:00,280 by the Wahoo Kicker Run. It's the treadmill that follows 451 00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,960 you, not the other way around. 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So not to feed into that 488 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:06,760 comparison thief, thief of joy who the sports like tried to get 489 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,440 to cut out of that habit. But like now reviewing the whole 490 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,040 training like training block, how many of those you know, the 491 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,360 tempos and all that stuff, like how many of them stacked up 492 00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:20,320 better this time around? I think quite a few. 493 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,680 I think like as a whole like take out those two weeks that 494 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,360 it's fine. The two weeks I was comparing 495 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,160 comparing were like. That's when I went bad, yeah. 496 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,960 When it was really bad and I think it was cuz coach would 497 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,280 like tell us the workouts for the week and I'd be like, all 498 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,480 right, I got to do this. But I think as far as like the 499 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,200 longer stuff went, this was, this is probably a better build. 500 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,840 I think the longer workouts, some of the shorter workouts 501 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,800 like the eight hundreds and stuff, it was pretty comparable. 502 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:54,360 I wasn't I don't know, there was some some workouts for a early 503 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:58,720 in the build like before beach to Beacon where it felt maybe it 504 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,280 was before New Haven. I did some 8 hundreds that like 505 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,480 I remember just felt like so easy. 506 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,240 I went, I was going and I think like sub two for almond. 507 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,640 That's the one where you told me that like you showed up and you 508 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,560 didn't tell anyone that you were going to RIP it. 509 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,320 And they just like it was it was the 1600s and eight hundreds, 510 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:16,840 right? Like that that that work out. 511 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:18,760 There was a different date that day too. 512 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,240 That day too, that that day is another day. 513 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,280 I had the comparison issue, but more so with the training 514 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,120 partners. But you know, it was, I think it 515 00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:29,320 was like we did like we did a mile and then I think 3 eights 516 00:28:30,120 --> 00:28:34,600 and I think my last two were like like 158 or 159 or 517 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:36,920 something. But I felt like I had like a ton 518 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,800 left, like I was running that, but I felt like I was just 519 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:42,440 jogging it. I guess explain that to the like 520 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:44,160 the average listener who was just like what? 521 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,320 Like what data points do you get out of like nailing these fast 8 522 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:54,080 hundreds at the end of a workout like that will help you for the 523 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:58,960 marathon is it to basically like no you have the wheels to cover 524 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,160 the big moves. That that's exactly it. 525 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,240 A lot of people like to say it's so that so that 445 pace feels 526 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,000 easy when you're running, when you're running sub 4 pace and 527 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,160 workouts. But for me, it's, it's just that 528 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,840 confidence of, OK, let's say a guy like, I mean, I've heard 529 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,360 Johnny Cruz going out really fast. 530 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:20,920 I'm probably not going to go out with him. 531 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,200 I'm not going to go out with him if he goes out as fast as I've 532 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,080 heard. But he made some hard moves at 533 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,600 last year's Chicago Marathon. He made a really hard move at 534 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,840 Boston. And I want to be, I don't know 535 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:37,320 if I need to match that move if I'm ever going to win a a major, 536 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,800 but I definitely need to be able to run like a really fast pace 537 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,240 and then be back, like get back down to a fast marathon pace. 538 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,760 And so in my mind, you need to run, you know, you need to run 539 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:55,760 some really fast, hard like paces just to feel good to match 540 00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,520 these moves. Now, if I was just trying to go 541 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,520 for, you know, time only and the whole thing was all about time, 542 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,800 maybe I wouldn't need to run these fast 8 hundreds. 543 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,480 But when you know there's prize money, there's pride, there's 544 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:13,160 places you're trying to place really well, that's when I feel 545 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,200 like I need to run the past eight hundreds. 546 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,880 OK, so let's start to kind of preview a little bit of of 547 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,080 Sunday's race. Where is your head at in terms 548 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:26,840 of the approach where it's like, yes, you've you've said it's an 549 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:33,440 American record attempt, but is that a run for the time and 550 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:36,560 seeing where you land among the people you're placing against? 551 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,040 Or then is it, hey, that American record may come if I 552 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:46,400 just race that potential second pack of people who are not going 553 00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,360 for the world record? Right, that, that's a great 554 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,920 question. I think, I think that first 20 555 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,360 miles I'm going to be working with whoever and even probably 556 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,640 20, you know, hopefully 24 miles I'm working with people. 557 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,640 But then, you know, the last, somewhere between the last 10K 558 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,080 to the last two miles, it's going to be a race like with 559 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,280 whoever's around me. And I'm going to hopefully, you 560 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,320 know, we, we never know how, how these races play out. 561 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,400 But hopefully I'm going to see people in front of me and I'm 562 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,360 going to catch them. And I'm going to be focused on I 563 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:23,200 need to catch whoever and place as high as I can that that's 564 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,760 kind of how I see it going down. That's how I see this race 565 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:31,800 playing out is I'm going to pack for 18 to 20 to 24 miles. 566 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,600 And after that I'm I'm Hawking down people. 567 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,640 Setup wise, you're not going to have your own pacemakers. 568 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:44,120 I will, but I'm I'm preferring that that there's a group with 569 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:48,240 that pacemaker. I would, I would much rather run 570 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:52,720 in a group for that than just go off me and a single pacemaker. 571 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,840 Just it's easier to be like, I'm competing against these guys and 572 00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,920 we're all going for a pace. Then they just be like, all 573 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:02,280 right, here's one guy who might be a little inconsistent with 574 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,520 pacing or he might not be that I really have to trust. 575 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,800 So hopefully there's a pack that goes at the pace I want to go 576 00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:13,040 at, but. We talked about this because you 577 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,320 and I were working on like a separate project in the lead up 578 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:17,840 to Chicago, and so we were checking in. 579 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,120 But did you successfully recruit Grant to Pace? 580 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,680 Like who's Pace? Who's your pacer? 581 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,320 It's a guy named Titus Chariot. Oh, OK. 582 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:31,720 You ran two O 5 this year in Tokyo, so he'll be my pacer. 583 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,320 Gotcha. All right. 584 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,880 I thought we were going to go for like an all American All 585 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,600 Star cast around you to. Jared Ward was thinking about 586 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,800 it. He was, he actually was getting 587 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,040 like really fit pretty quickly. And it was kind of fun to see 588 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:51,160 like him just like turning on the, you know, the afterburners 589 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,640 in training and just like he's working his tail off. 590 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,080 But then I was like, honestly, Jared, like it'd be great to 591 00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:01,840 have you, but and maybe you might want like he started 592 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,680 pacing Casey and some workouts and it was like, OK, maybe maybe 593 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,560 you should go paste Casey because I don't think Casey has 594 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:09,640 a pacer for him. And but it would have been fun 595 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,960 to have Jared. I just, I don't know how. 596 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,800 I don't know if he's fit enough to run the pace. 597 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,400 I want to run for 30K and that's. 598 00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:17,520 What I was going to say, I was like, is Jared volunteering for 599 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,360 half? Yeah, yeah, that's what he said. 600 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,000 He'd get get me through half and. 601 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,360 That's what I thought. What's the hot Goss right now on 602 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:33,880 the front end of the race like John career throughout in a 603 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,480 couple of interviews months ago, I guess in the lead up that he 604 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,560 wants to take a shot at the world record. 605 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:43,000 Now the world record is 2 hours and 35 seconds I think, right, 606 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,520 right. Kelvin kept him from 2-3 years 607 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,360 ago. That's not easy. 608 00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:52,520 You throw in Jacob Kiplimo, who also just ran a great debut at 609 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,920 the London Marathon, finished second-half marathon world 610 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,760 record, and you know, when you see how fast he runs over half, 611 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,760 you think, all right, he's got the makings of a really good 612 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,160 marathoner and now you're putting him on a fast course 613 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:06,280 with some good competition. But what is the buzz around what 614 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,360 those guys might be doing up in the front? 615 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:10,199 I've heard they're going through halfway. 616 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,520 And 6030 and you feel like no thanks, Yeah. 617 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,639 Yeah, it's, I mean. It sounds very exciting until 618 00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:21,120 you blow up and you run like 212 and then then you're like great, 619 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,520 I ran a great, I ran a great 30 Ki helped the other guys run a 620 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,440 really good marathon, but I ran I ran my slowest marathon. 621 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,920 So it, I don't know, it sounds really fun, but you're realistic 622 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,360 and you're like, that's. Not the smart way for you to run 623 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,920 a good, yeah? I think my chances of like 624 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:45,960 leaving happy, leaving satisfied with the result go down if I go 625 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,840 out that fast. I like that you have already. 626 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,560 Pumped the brakes on it because like maybe younger Connor 2-3 627 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,880 years ago goes into it being like, OK, no, but you still take 628 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,440 the swing and you pay the price and and and there will come a 629 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,000 day. Where I make the I take those 630 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,400 big swings again, but this just isn't it. 631 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,960 Yeah, I've heard of just. Sort of like through Clayton's 632 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:11,040 discussions of just how appearance fees and contracts 633 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,920 for these major marathons work, sometimes it's like you're also 634 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,840 risking just sort of like losing out on a reduction if you 635 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:21,440 underperform because of a dumb mistake like that. 636 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,520 So totally get it. So then if that's not what 637 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,640 you're going to be handling, then it just sort of does flip 638 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:33,360 where when the entries came out for this and the the field was 639 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,320 announced when I looked at it and I expressed this to you, I 640 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,800 think before I was like, all right, like Joffrey Kim Moore is 641 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:45,880 is on there and like is someone who probably has no business 642 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,200 also going after that world record time or that fast. 643 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,640 He's more sort of like in the wheelhouse of, you know, after 644 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,680 Boston, your group. So like there are going to be 645 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,640 multiple guys and then there's, you know, some Ethiopians and 646 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,000 some other Kenyans who don't have like the shiny win of a 647 00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,560 major on their resume, but will fall somewhere in that, you 648 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:11,840 know, 2O four to two O 7 range that you can cling on to. 649 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,400 So like who in your head are you looking at? 650 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,080 Like, Hey, if they're showing up in form, that's who I think 651 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:20,720 could be around me. Kenmore he's. 652 00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:22,800 He's the big one. I mean, he's consistent. 653 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:26,720 That's, that's one thing that I, I look at and I'm like, you 654 00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:31,360 know, he's somebody that even on a bad day, he blows up at 25 and 655 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,600 he jogs it in like at New York last year. 656 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,640 I don't know what his last mile was, was, but I think it was 657 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,840 like 530 or something. Like I think I made-up 50 658 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,280 seconds on him in the last like 40K to the end. 659 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,640 Still, he's still beating me by 10 seconds. 660 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:50,400 But like I was, I was catching him and then but he's, he's 661 00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,640 consistently good. He's consistently up there. 662 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,320 So he's definitely someone that comes to mind. 663 00:36:55,080 --> 00:37:01,840 So Brian, I think it's so Brian DY, you know, Brian or something 664 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,400 like that. He, he was with me at Boston for 665 00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,560 26 miles, almost 26.1 miles, him and Simbu. 666 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:14,320 So they just both flew by me. I, I see him as somebody that 667 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,240 would be really good to run with, but I could see him 668 00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:19,960 thinking career was only 18 seconds ahead of me at Boston. 669 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:24,600 Why don't I go after him so I can see him thinking about going 670 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:30,160 for that, But I hope he's there. But sure, I'll be maybe. 671 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,720 But I wouldn't be surprised if he goes out faster. 672 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,040 So there's there's a few guys in there and then there's. 673 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,720 Yeah. Like is it Mohammed ASA? 674 00:37:39,720 --> 00:37:42,440 Is he in that? Yeah, two O 439. 675 00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,000 Is his PBA. Yeah, I could see him going. 676 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,440 With my group, I, he's pretty good. 677 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,520 He's very consistent. He's usually, yeah, top three, 678 00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:58,080 top five guy in majors that he's raced if somebody else. 679 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,280 Philemon Kiplimo is a 2O. 4 O one guy. 680 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:07,440 Well, I mean, if we want you're looking at, you know, revenge on 681 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,560 Subran Cotut. I think Daniel Abeno is looking 682 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,480 for revenge on you probably is he? 683 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,440 He's a guy that I hope. Goes with me, but he might, he 684 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,960 might just go with career. He's fearless. 685 00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,960 Like he when we ran Boulder, Boulder, he went out hard. 686 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:26,560 Like when he made his move, he was gone and like he hadn't 687 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,120 grown up. I'd like, I mean, obviously he's 688 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,520 a World Championship silver medalist. 689 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:34,360 In the 10K and I feel like he just because there was like that 690 00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,960 controversy last year. He fell at the Kenyan trials at 691 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,440 the at the pre classic, didn't get selected for the World 692 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:40,720 Championships. And it sort of feels like he 693 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:45,400 quietly made his like transition over to the roads and like runs 694 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:50,360 two O 6 in his debut. But the talent is there for him 695 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,520 to probably try and race those front guys. 696 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,480 But if he's not feeling up for it, then like he probably ends 697 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,280 up in your pack. Oh, I hope so. 698 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,760 I hope so. I've also talked to Rory 699 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:08,640 Linklater quite a bit, former Koog, and he he thinks he he 700 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,880 wants to go after the Canadian record cams, yeah. 701 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,760 Yeah. Which is what, two O 7? 702 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:20,040 No, it's two O 530. 6 Oh wow OK so then. 703 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,120 He'd want to be right with you, right? 704 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,400 Right. So we've been. 705 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,720 Chatting quite a bit, which is helpful. 706 00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:30,960 I mean, we ran at BYU for a couple years together and I've 707 00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,960 known him since I was a freshman in high school. 708 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,880 So we we've known each other for a long time. 709 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,760 So Rory is somebody that, yeah, I might be running a lot of the 710 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,200 race with, which would be, I think, very helpful. 711 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:49,000 And then I've heard that Alex Messiah was the kit to her. 712 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:50,840 Also going to run around pretty quick. 713 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,080 So you're going. To have plenty of bodies around 714 00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,520 you. It seems like I should. 715 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,040 I should now. We'll see, we'll see what 716 00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,000 happens. You know, every, everybody wants 717 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,160 to talk big and then, you know, it's not like, I mean, I think 718 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:09,760 my last, my last time doing Chicago, we heard that they were 719 00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:13,000 going to go out at two O 4 pace or two O 5 pace or something. 720 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,680 And. We were going out at two O 644 721 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,800 pace in my pack and we were 22nd. 722 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,760 We're like 10 seconds back for them and we were 27 seconds slow 723 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,080 through 5K. So sometimes people talk big and 724 00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,760 then they, you know, they race differently. 725 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,720 That's the thing about just I. I go to them because like I have 726 00:40:33,720 --> 00:40:36,560 to like the marathon press conferences beforehand, but it's 727 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,240 like everyone's lying to your face. 728 00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:41,840 Everyone says like they had the best build or they didn't. 729 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:44,880 I that's why I appreciate you know you and Clayton being open 730 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,280 books about like your whole entire training, but you just 731 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:51,600 never know with some of the international render Sisa lemma 732 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,480 is probably. The most honest guy, though? 733 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,800 Oh yeah, I've been hurt. He told you, He told me. 734 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,040 Individually and then he like said. 735 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,400 It in the press conference, like right after I was like, what the 736 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,280 heck, Like he's like, yeah, he was like, I'm just. 737 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,840 Going to be honest with you all, stop picking me for the win. 738 00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:16,480 You're going to be disappointed. Yeah, the City of Smack podcast 739 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,720 is. Presented by Lollipop. 740 00:41:19,240 --> 00:41:22,120 If you tune into our shows. 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Find them, sip them, and don't. 751 00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,160 Miss The SpongeBob Movie in theaters December 19th. 752 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,920 All right, so looking at the this field, yeah, you're going 753 00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,040 to have plenty of people hopefully to run with. 754 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,520 Where do you think you're because you've run this course 755 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,480 like before, your first big decision is going to come in 756 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,360 this race. I mean, hopefully around. 18 I 757 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,440 hope there's somebody I'm running with who just decides to 758 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,960 start moving like more. Like 30 K because. 759 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,000 I feel like you're usually running with the Africans and 760 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:34,000 they make the move AT30K not 18. But you know, metric system, 761 00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,320 imperial system, just different. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 762 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,120 I hope there's somebody. I rewatched series last year and 763 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:44,640 it seemed like John career made his move at about 301K or 32K 764 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:49,600 and I, I hope that that's where I I make my move. 765 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:54,480 It's more so as a, not as a reactionary move, but like I'm 766 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,920 kind of in my mind just doesn't, you know, the little 767 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,800 visualization I have, it's like I want to be making a move 768 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:07,920 somewhere between 30 and 35 K and I'm hoping I'm with somebody 769 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,720 at that time. What sticks out? 770 00:43:10,720 --> 00:43:14,080 To you about the way John Career is able to close these marathons 771 00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,240 because you saw it first hand, like experiencing it in Boston, 772 00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:20,320 but then now you just rewatched last year's race and like he 773 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,840 just does have that top end speed of a in a marathon. 774 00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:25,720 I mean, at Boston, what sticks out? 775 00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:28,960 To me is his last mile. He did not look good. 776 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,840 That would sticks out to me about that is OK. 777 00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:37,600 If if I like if I was focused on I think me and my pet could have 778 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:42,320 caught him if I pushed like early like mile 22. 779 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,400 And so that kind of sticks out to me as like that was kind of 780 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,600 what I tried to work on it Boulder, Boulder because of 781 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,840 that, realizing that later on, but also like at Chicago last 782 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,800 year, he just looked phenomenal. Like he he looked like he looked 783 00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,400 pretty fried the last mile he did. 784 00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:03,480 He looked so tired, but he just was like still running really, 785 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,360 really fast. He was like four 30s or 786 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:07,640 something like that. And it was like, Dang, this 787 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,400 like, I, I think he's going to be hard to beat for whoever is 788 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,320 up there if he races how he did last year in Chicago. 789 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,320 But I do think, yeah, his ability to change gears is 790 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,800 pretty, pretty incredible. Like not a lot of people can 791 00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:28,280 start running four 30s for like 10K in in the middle of a 792 00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,440 marathon. Or even like no not a very many 793 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,160 people could run 4/20 for just a mile like he did at Boston after 794 00:44:35,160 --> 00:44:37,160 heartbreak. Just got to hang with him till 795 00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:39,240 20. It's like hang with him at 25 796 00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:42,800 and maybe hope that he's tying up as much at 26, but that's not 797 00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:44,800 not. It's easier said than done. 798 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:45,240 Yeah. Yeah. 799 00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:47,880 And hope you don't explode. Like, that's the biggest thing. 800 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,840 Like for a guy like John, you just got to hope you don't 801 00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:55,400 explode yourself when you were, you know, comparing yourself to 802 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,760 yourself. I mean, it's easy because it's 803 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,600 all on your Strava, but did you ever get curious and check John 804 00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:03,400 career Strava because it's public, right? 805 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,640 Yeah, yeah, I've I've checked. His Java in the past he like 806 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:10,040 went dark for a while. OK, at least like the last. 807 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:10,760 I don't know the last. Time. 808 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,760 I like looked him up. He had like a few weeks of 809 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,480 nothing. I looked at his before Boston 810 00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,920 and a little bit after and I thought it was his. 811 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,400 His job was pretty interesting. What do you What? 812 00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:21,320 What? Yeah, what? 813 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,720 Sticks out to you. What sticks out is. 814 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,960 Mainly like the biggest thing is his easy double S, He'll go out 815 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,200 for an hour easy double and go like 10K. 816 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,920 So he'll be there in like 9930 something, 940 something pace 817 00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,640 for an hour and then like that'll be his double and I'm 818 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,720 like Dang, like that's a long time to be out there to only get 819 00:45:41,720 --> 00:45:44,600 6 miles. The opposite of you where? 820 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,520 It's like, all right, you're going to just run 6:30 for your 821 00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:50,960 6 miles, right, Right. And. 822 00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,840 In a way that like I I've kind of taken something from that and 823 00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,520 just been like, I'm going to go. I go a little like that's one of 824 00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:58,760 the big differences with this build. 825 00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,040 I've done a little bit easier on some of my easy days. 826 00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,800 I don't know, we'll see if it works out or if it doesn't, but 827 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,680 it is it is interesting. Like that was probably the 828 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,400 biggest take away. The next big thing was his 829 00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:13,160 incredible like he did some tempos that are like it's like 830 00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:18,720 430 pace for 15K or 9.3 miles. And I was like that's that's 831 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,480 wild to do not in a race effort, especially in Kenya on like some 832 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,040 dirt Rd. that's at like 7008 thousand feet. 833 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,920 Like for me at that point I'm like, dude, might as well go 834 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,160 like to see that we're going to race and pick up some like good 835 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,960 money. You know when you. 836 00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,000 Said before just that, like in this build up, there were a 837 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,360 couple of races that you wish you could have fit in, but 838 00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,680 they're too close to Chicago or they just didn't work out. 839 00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,400 What were they? I didn't know. 840 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:47,880 I didn't know about the. Buenos Aires half, I think that 841 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,480 would have been a good one for me. 842 00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,800 I really, I just wanted to run a fast half again. 843 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:54,760 I know 20 KS, it's the same thing. 844 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:59,120 And if I held my pace, I run pretty close to my record, 845 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,160 especially with how fast I was closing. 846 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:04,960 But I wanted to run 1/2 and I wanted to run one with 847 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,160 competition that was better than me. 848 00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,240 Like, not just like, like the guys I ran with AT20K were 849 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:14,160 actually like pretty close to me. 850 00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:18,880 I, I didn't break away from Hillary to like just less than a 851 00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,480 mile to go. So it wasn't like I was that 852 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,720 much better than him. I think we're comparable. 853 00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:25,760 And I wanted to run a half marathon with guys better than 854 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,360 me because I did that at with the New York City half with Kip 855 00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,080 Chumba. And I think that was a great way 856 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,160 to like learn, like relearn. OK, this is what you do when 857 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,840 you're really hurting. This is how you match moves. 858 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,960 This is like the type of things you need to expect when you're 859 00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:47,480 in a competitive race. And so I just didn't, I didn't 860 00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:50,600 didn't think about Buenos Aires until after. 861 00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:54,280 And then I wanted to do Copenhagen. 862 00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:57,600 But then after coach and I talked, he was actually like, 863 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,400 yeah, if you really want to do it, like, let's let's sign you 864 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,160 up. And then with Copenhagen, I was 865 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,240 just kind of, I had, the more I thought about, I was like, oh, 866 00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:09,360 that's too close to race day. And then I told that to coach 867 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:10,840 and he's like, yeah, that's what I was thinking too. 868 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,040 But I wanted you to come to that realization on your own. 869 00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:18,080 And so yeah, it was too close to a stay with the travel. 870 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,640 If it was just four weeks out and it was, you know, a couple 871 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:25,040 states away, I would do it. But being international, it was 872 00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:28,240 like you're going to lose like at least one long run and you're 873 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:32,920 going to lose like maybe 2 workouts just because it's so 874 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,160 far away and you're going to recover from jet lag. 875 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:40,520 So I I don't want the take away. From people to be as simple as 876 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,200 like, oh, like Connor thinks that if he would have run a half 877 00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:46,240 marathon he would have broke his own record in this build up. 878 00:48:46,240 --> 00:48:49,640 But is that is that really aligned with your thinking? 879 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,960 Yeah, I I think I was in. Better shape in the spring to 880 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,200 break the record like at Houston. 881 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,160 I I I finished feeling like I had a couple miles left in me. 882 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,080 Yeah, I wish I could have said that after winning, but, you 883 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,200 know, you don't always feel that way after at the end. 884 00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:07,880 But like, I really felt like I finished that race and I I had 885 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,400 another mile or two and me at about 4:30 pace. 886 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,160 And then New York was just a tough course. 887 00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:19,360 It was humid and definitely not paced well. 888 00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:24,000 That might have been, you know, my fault, but it was a lot of 889 00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,480 moves. Were there a lot of surging. 890 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:28,720 It wasn't a race to run fast. And I ran even faster than I did 891 00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:32,720 than I did in Houston. And so in my mind, yeah, I think 892 00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:36,240 I could have ran faster this build, but I also think I could 893 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,280 have ran a faster last build. We'll just have to wait and see. 894 00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:40,360 You'll get you'll. Run another half. 895 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:41,920 Yeah. Oh yeah, for sure. 896 00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,560 Hopefully I still have the record when I run another half, 897 00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,040 you know, you never know who what are the good guys are going 898 00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:49,360 to come up and and push that record down. 899 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:52,440 All right, so as we kind of. Wrap up a little bit. 900 00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:57,680 Let's where where are your ABC tiered goals for Sunday that 901 00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:00,400 would like make for a successful weekend for you. 902 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,680 I mean, to come over with the win would be incredible, right? 903 00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:07,400 But then just sort of like realistically, like where where 904 00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,360 are your success markers for this one? 905 00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:11,280 Yeah, I I definitely think the record. 906 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,040 Is up there. I don't want to say too much 907 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,200 more other than that, but yeah, the record's just kind of the 908 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:17,800 big one. My other goal is on. 909 00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,760 I'm going to keep them in here and maybe not let them be too 910 00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,400 public, but I've been pretty public about my my one goal. 911 00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:30,400 But yeah, my other other time goals and my other place goals, 912 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:31,800 I'm just going to keep them light in mind. 913 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,920 Can we can we get them next? Week when we do this podcast to 914 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:37,800 recap Chicago. Yeah, let's do it back. 915 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,520 Perfect. All right, Connor, well, wishing 916 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:45,280 you all the best of luck this upcoming weekend in Chicago. 917 00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,880 Unfortunately, I can't make it. I've got another wedding to go 918 00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:52,360 to here in New York City. Yeah, this is the last 1-6. 919 00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:56,840 Of 6 for 20/20/2020 5:00, I've already got four, I think on the 920 00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:01,640 calendar for 20/20/2020 six. Yeah, that's just what happens 921 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,440 when you have a lot of friends, I guess. 922 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,760 So, yeah. So I'm going to have to miss it 923 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:08,280 in person. So. 924 00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,080 But I'm still rooting for you. I'll be, I'll be tuned in and 925 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:12,440 watching the wedding's on Saturday. 926 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:17,240 So like technically I could try and find a red eye flight. 927 00:51:17,720 --> 00:51:20,080 It would just be, yeah, it would be insane. 928 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,920 So I have to miss New York this year, but I mean Chicago this 929 00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:25,720 year. But I'll be in New York and then 930 00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,800 be on that. But appreciate you. 931 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,440 Good luck and can't wait to unpack it all next week. 932 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,080 Sounds good. Looking forward to it. 933 00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,000 Thank. You all for listening to this 934 00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:38,680 episode. This episode was produced by 935 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,160 Jasmine Fair. I love doing this for you guys, 936 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,160 so please do me a favor and leave a five star view on Apple 937 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,000 Podcast or Spotify that helps us grow the show and get even more 938 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,160 awesome guests. Let me know what you're enjoying 939 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,120 about the show. 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