1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,920 What's up everyone? You are listening to the Sidious 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,120 Magic Podcast. I'm your host Chris Chavez, and 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,480 every week we go beyond the results to bring you 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,480 conversations with the biggest names on the track, the roads, 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,760 and behind the scenes. From world class athletes and 6 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,280 coaches to innovators shaping the sport. 7 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,520 If it's happening on the track, we're covering it with real 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,560 insights that sharpen minds, deep dives into the moments that 9 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,360 define careers, and the kind of access to the pros you won't get 10 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,360 anywhere else. So let's get into it, because we 11 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:33,560 love track and field. 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So here's one that made me 23 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,440 smile. Chris Chavez practices what he 24 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,320 preaches. I've been a listener for a while 25 00:01:07,320 --> 00:01:09,120 now. Enjoy nerding out while I hear 26 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:11,800 Chris and Preet breakdown race performances and speculate on 27 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,480 future ones. Love the data-driven estimates 28 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,640 but also the intuition of the host. 29 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,600 Imagine my surprise while I was doing my long run on the Central 30 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,000 Park Loop and I look up and I see Chris running toward me 31 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:28,360 while his voice was in my ear. That one was from Sarah, Alaska. 32 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,200 Okay, first of all, that was in fact me. 33 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,400 Despite what my Strava has shown lately, I can't confirm. 34 00:01:34,480 --> 00:01:36,480 I have been leaving the apartment and actually getting 35 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,400 out for runs a little less lately since I've been dealing 36 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:42,760 with some injuries and it's been brutally cold here in New York. 37 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,920 But seriously, that review made my day. 38 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:48,480 There's something wild about thinking that the timing of 39 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,360 everything lining up, that my voice might be in someone's 40 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,080 headphones while they're unknowingly sharing miles in the 41 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:56,640 same park as me. Thanks for listening, Sarah. 42 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,120 Thanks for nerding out with us. Really appreciate you. 43 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,360 To everyone else listening, thank you. 44 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,760 And if you feel the same way, taking a minute to leave a five 45 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,160 star review on Apple Podcast is the best way to support the 46 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:08,960 show. We read every single one and 47 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:14,880 they genuinely mean a lot to us. My guest for today's episode is 48 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,760 Gracie Morris, and if you watch the final 100 meters of the 49 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,520 USATF Indoor Championships 1500 meter final, you know exactly 50 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,960 why she's here. With 100 meters to go, Gracie 51 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,360 was sitting in fourth place. A World Indoor Team spot looked 52 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,720 just out of reach. But when that inside rail opened 53 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,400 up on the final turn, she didn't hesitate. 54 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:38,120 She surged through on the inside, closed in 14.3 seconds 55 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,800 for her final 100 meters, and crossed the finish line in 411 56 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:45,240 to claim second place, place and her first World Championships 57 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,640 birth on the track. Nikki Hilts won yet another US 58 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:51,280 title and that's her team for this month World Championships. 59 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,520 What makes Gracie Morris rise even more impressive is the 60 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,720 trajectory at TCU. She qualified for NCAS twice, 61 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,040 but never made a final. Fast forward a year and she's a 62 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,000 member of Puma. Lee transformed into a dangerous 63 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,920 Miller in the United States, and in 2025 alone she won the Sir 64 00:03:08,920 --> 00:03:10,880 Walter Miller and the 5th Ave. Mile. 65 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,680 She claimed the US 2K cross country title and dropped her 66 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,360 1500 meter personal best from four O 8 to four O 4. 67 00:03:17,640 --> 00:03:20,720 This year so far, she's already run four O 2. 68 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,080 So in this conversation, we talk about that decisive final lap, 69 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,600 the lesson she's learned about racing instincts, and the steady 70 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,200 belief that got her through years of injuries in high school 71 00:03:30,200 --> 00:03:32,440 and college. So without further ado, here is 72 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:45,840 Gracie Morris. All right, now we welcome on 73 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:50,920 Gracie Morris, fresh off of a runner up finish at the USATF 74 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,240 Indoor Championships 1500 meter final and now getting ready to 75 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:57,280 go to the World Indoor Championships. 76 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,880 Gracie, congratulations on such a big weekend. 77 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:03,320 Now that you've had a couple days, how do you reflect on the 78 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,680 race out on Staten Island this weekend? 79 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:08,920 Thank you so much. I mean I really just like went 80 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,080 into that race with 0 expectations. 81 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,200 Like I knew it was going to be a difficult race just cause I feel 82 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:17,200 like the 1500 in the US right now is just kind of loaded. 83 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:21,959 So I was kind of just trying to put myself in position just to 84 00:04:21,959 --> 00:04:24,640 do something. And I mean, I feel like it 85 00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:28,120 happened like last second. But yeah, I'm just really 86 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,000 excited and very grateful to have made this team. 87 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,520 The photos of you crossing the finish line, it's almost like 88 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,480 you also thought you'd want it because it was that close of a 89 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,520 finish. Yeah, I was like, I saw like 90 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,240 Nikki out of the corner of my eye and I was like, this is so 91 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,200 close. I was like, I might get it. 92 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:46,880 I was like, I just need to go through the line. 93 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,880 But yeah, it was very close. Put me in your shoes, I guess in 94 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,440 that final lap, like Lindsay made such a hard move. 95 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,520 I think this is with maybe 300 to go because before that the 96 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:04,400 hard move was by Emily Mackay towards the front of the race. 97 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,360 But what are you thinking heading into the Bell Lab? 98 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:11,280 And luckily for you, I guess like the inside opened up and 99 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:13,520 that's ultimately like, what made the difference? 100 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,720 So what was your vantage point of everything? 101 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,880 Going into the final up, I knew I was not in a good position, 102 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,440 but, and especially when you got into the back straight and I 103 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:26,400 know like Lindsay's so fast and like she was like a pretty 104 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,000 decent way in front of you. And I was like, Oh no. 105 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:31,440 So I was like trying not to panic. 106 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,120 I was like, she'll come back. She'll come back. 107 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,800 That last lap. I was trying to stay patient and 108 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,640 not panic. And then I saw Nikki and 109 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:42,600 Sinclair start moving out and lane one just like was wide 110 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:43,840 open. I was like, OK, now I just need 111 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,080 Lindsay to like start moving out too. 112 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,920 And she did right. We got off the bin and once I 113 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,640 saw it open, I was like, I have to like charge now. 114 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,960 I was like, and I was so close to the finish. 115 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:56,400 I don't think the team's right there. 116 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,800 What is your sort of like, I guess like mindset going into a 117 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,880 race like this? Because like, like you just 118 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,200 rattled off some of the names that are in this race. 119 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:10,640 You've got Nikki, who's just become so consistent at winning 120 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:14,560 at the US Championship stage. And then you've got Sinclair, 121 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,800 who has run record setting times, and Someone Like You 122 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:23,200 comes into this indoor season with a ton of momentum off of 123 00:06:23,280 --> 00:06:26,240 2025. You just, you know, competed at 124 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:28,680 the world cross country championships, have strung 125 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:32,560 together some good indoor races. So how do you mentally, I guess, 126 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:36,240 insert yourself and start to build up that belief that hey, I 127 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,840 have a chance to also make this team? 128 00:06:39,280 --> 00:06:43,240 I feel like my training partner being Dorcas has definitely 129 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,600 helped a lot. She got silver last year in 130 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,160 Tokyo. And like we do the same 131 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,160 workouts. Like I stay with her in the 132 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:52,480 workouts, like I'm pushing her in some of the days that we're 133 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,400 out there. So I feel like you're Dorkas. 134 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,840 And then just like some of my other training partners like 135 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:00,880 Taylor, Rowan, Yona, like I feel like that's really helped me 136 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,200 find some confidence because I'm like, OK, I'm out here doing the 137 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:05,080 same thing that they're doing, like just getting dragged around 138 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,800 the track by them. I was like, surely this can 139 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:09,800 build my confidence. And I feel like it definitely 140 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,320 has. And then I feel like I've gone 141 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:18,040 into this year would just like less pressure on myself, like 142 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,840 not being afraid to put myself in like I guess a vulnerable 143 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:24,960 situation or like getting like I just like I'm not afraid to lose 144 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,880 anymore. So I'm not scared to put myself 145 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,920 in a situation to lose. Like I don't mind getting to the 146 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,640 front of the race and like pushing it or like trying to 147 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,040 control it. So it kind of suits my needs a 148 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:39,400 bit better than other people's. But I feel like that's kind of 149 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,400 been the biggest change this year. 150 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,240 Like, is there a race that you think about maybe towards the 151 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,280 end of like 2025 where you really leaned into that side of 152 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,320 things of like, all right, you know what, it's time to throw 153 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,760 caution to the wind a little bit and try something totally new? 154 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,960 Because I think the first step and something I think we were 155 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,760 talking about on our podcast a week or so ago was just sort of 156 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,800 like, I think people should just try things, right? 157 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,960 And it's like the worst thing is like if you have an off race or 158 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:07,720 you'll learn something from it and maybe do things things a 159 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,560 little bit differently. So I really kind of think of 160 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,880 2020, end of 2025 as sort of that time period where for you, 161 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:18,560 you really started to pop onto people's radars, 5th Ave. in 162 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:23,160 particular too that that year. Yeah, I would say I was pretty 163 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,000 disappointed with how I raced at the US final and then Sir Walter 164 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,600 was like a few days after that. So I think it was Sir Walter, 165 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,440 like kind of a combination of the final and then Sir Walter. 166 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,760 Like when I got there, I was like, I have nothing to lose. 167 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:39,480 Like I was like this point of season, like I'm just racing. 168 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,480 Like I was like, I just I want to fast time. 169 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,200 Like that was kind of like the mental shift and just kind of 170 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:49,000 learning to, like, let go of like, the expectation and result 171 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,600 and like perfectionism. Like, I feel like a lot of 172 00:08:52,680 --> 00:08:55,320 runners, like we tend to like, go into races and, like, think 173 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:56,640 we have to have like, this perfect race. 174 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,120 Like everything used to be perfect. 175 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:01,560 Like, I need to do all this stuff, like on race day that I 176 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:04,640 don't typically do. But on a practice day, like 177 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:07,640 sometimes I'll go in like barely enough sleep or dehydrated or 178 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,280 just like eat some random stuff and like, it's fine. 179 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:12,960 I have a good workout. So that race And then just kind 180 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:16,240 of like learning to shift my perspective is really, yeah. 181 00:09:16,680 --> 00:09:19,560 I feel like I'm pulling the timeline back even even further 182 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:21,840 and like I'm now mistaken. Just sort of thinking, OK, yeah, 183 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:24,800 you won Fifth Avenue this past year, but even before that, 5th 184 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,000 place in 2024 was a really good showing there, I guess. 185 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,160 What, what where did you sort of assess the end of the 2024 186 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,160 season? Because then, you know, you do 187 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:41,520 go on a little bit of a breakout in 2025. 2024 like I was pretty 188 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:45,120 disappointed with my college like how it ended and then I 189 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:48,160 really wanted to GoPro and I was kind of like a bubble runner. 190 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:53,640 It was like I need someone to take a chance on me and right 191 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,000 before 5th Ave. I came out to visit the Puma 192 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,040 group just to like see what it was about for like 2 weeks. 193 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:04,160 And then I ended up staying until 5th Ave. and training with 194 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:06,920 Dorkas for like maybe like 3 or 4 workouts. 195 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:10,120 And just being in this environment and like seeing what 196 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:13,680 the people do that like are so great and like on such a high 197 00:10:13,680 --> 00:10:16,800 level has just really like made like all these dreams that I 198 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,560 have seemed like a lot more feasible and like, oh, I can't 199 00:10:19,560 --> 00:10:22,200 do this. Who was your pitch to Alistair 200 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,080 and Amy? Or did you find that at times 201 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:26,840 they were pitching you on taking that next step? 202 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,240 How did it work out? Alistair actually reached out to 203 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:35,080 my college coach, so that was he reached out and then we talked 204 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,000 at Olympic trials and I talked to a few other people. 205 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,920 But I feel like after I talked to him, it was like kind of hard 206 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,800 to like I just, we got along really well. 207 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:47,640 Like I really enjoyed the good personality and like his 208 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,800 perspective on things. So I feel like after we kind of 209 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,960 had that conversation, I was pretty sold on the group. 210 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:55,200 We didn't talk for a few months after that. 211 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,080 I was just like racing a bit and then end of the summer I was 212 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,240 like, OK, I got to figure something out and I reached back 213 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,800 out to him. The group is really interesting 214 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,760 to see on paper. Just everyone can, you know, 215 00:11:09,760 --> 00:11:11,800 drop down. There's been success from 216 00:11:12,280 --> 00:11:15,600 everything from 800 all the way through the marathon. 217 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,960 What is a day at practice look like for you? 218 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,840 Like or a week where sort of you're dipping your toes and 219 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,200 working with Dorcas on this stuff, and then maybe there's 220 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:28,560 times where, you know, Taylor's pulling you on some of the 221 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:30,120 longer stuff. What does it look like? 222 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,200 We typically like all work together a lot. 223 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,640 So almost all of our workouts always start like in a big group 224 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:38,760 and we're all doing the same thing. 225 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,240 And then we start like me and Dorcas will like Peel offers and 226 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,720 maybe like do a little more speed or like something more 227 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:49,080 specific to like our races. But we also like overlap a lot 228 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,560 with the guys. So sometimes when we like get 229 00:11:51,560 --> 00:11:54,760 pulled off and like the women's group, we'll go into the 230 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,320 distance guys group because their paces will line up with 231 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,000 what we're doing. So we just kind of all like 232 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,920 really work together. So it's it's really fun. 233 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:07,000 It's hard, but it's. With 2024 and just sort of like 234 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,040 even the early parts of it, just like the success that Fiona was 235 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:13,680 having, Taylor was having, Pat was having. 236 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:18,360 What kind of culture does that create at practice or like that 237 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:23,280 you start to feed off and you, you mentioned sort of like the 238 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,080 dreams that you had for yourself. 239 00:12:25,080 --> 00:12:29,600 I'm sure that adds a little bit more credence and fuel to those. 240 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,280 Yeah, I mean, coming in like from TCU where like it's not 241 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,160 really like a distance heavy program environment for at least 242 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,320 for me is like one of the like key factors to success. 243 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,200 Like it's just like the expectation. 244 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,760 It's no longer a dream. Like everybody around you is 245 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,520 doing it. So it's like you either step up 246 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,560 or you get left behind and everybody's around you is doing 247 00:12:49,560 --> 00:12:50,760 it. Feel like in the environment 248 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:53,680 that I was at TCU, it felt like a dream, like it was kind of 249 00:12:53,680 --> 00:12:56,240 like out of reach. And here it's like it's doable 250 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,880 because everybody's doing it and like everybody has the belief. 251 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,400 I mean, I I know I'm doing the right work to get it done now. 252 00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:07,440 At TCU, when you say it wasn't as big like as of a distance 253 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,920 program like, what did you find yourself like doing in practice? 254 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,240 I mean, I was doing a lot of solo efforts and it was just 255 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,000 hard. And I feel like I was trying to 256 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,960 navigate a lot of things by myself. 257 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,520 Like I didn't have teammates or like like older teammates that 258 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,720 had done things before me. It was kind of like like I was 259 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:27,480 trying to pave the way for myself. 260 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,200 And I feel like it's pretty hard to try to do everything on your 261 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,400 own, Like you need your people, you need a circle, and you need 262 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,680 like that support and guidance, I think. 263 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,240 And when you ran your last collegiate race, how much 264 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,320 potential, I think did you still sort of because you had this 265 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,240 desire to turn pro? And that must have come from a 266 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:51,880 place of you being like, oh, like I haven't run my fastest 267 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,960 yet. I always knew I was lacking 268 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,920 something in terms of training. And I mean, I feel like the 269 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:59,760 biggest thing like from pro training, the one I was doing in 270 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:04,600 college, I just, I just wasn't training like it's increased so 271 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,480 much in terms of like mileage and just like intensity and I'm 272 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:10,760 doing things that I didn't think I would be able to do before, 273 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:12,280 like. How little mileage are we 274 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:16,320 talking about at TCU? I would do like probably like 30 275 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,280 to 40 and then I would like bike some. 276 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,840 But like, the bike was like, I had Netflix on my phone and I 277 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:25,000 was just like turning legs, but it wasn't like I was like 278 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:29,120 hammering like. So yeah, it's been a pretty, 279 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:30,720 pretty big jump since I got here. 280 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,120 That got you to 410? Yeah, at least while in college. 281 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,160 And then after NCA, as I think this is Portland Track Festival, 282 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:40,680 you run four O 8. So and then from there was the 283 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,040 Olympic trials. There really was sort of like 284 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,920 you're only scratching the surface and at the same time 285 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,680 trying to pursue a professional career. 286 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:51,120 Like nowadays, anything like 410 is not necessarily a guarantee. 287 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,720 No, which is crazy. That was I think I ran like 410 288 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,160 or like 4-11 in the pre limit NCAA. 289 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:59,920 Then I didn't make the finals and I was like. 290 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:01,480 That's right. I see that, yeah. 291 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,040 Almost any other year that would have made the final. 292 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:08,280 So yeah, it was, I feel like a brutal year to try to GoPro like 293 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,720 Olympic year, but be made to have it. 294 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,240 What kind of chip on your shoulder does that sort of 295 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:16,680 create? Because now it's a fun tagline 296 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,400 to after you've had all the success for it to be like, oh, 297 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,960 you know, Gracie Morris, national champion who never made 298 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,240 a 1500 meter final at the NCA level. 299 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,160 And like, maybe it's like something really good that you 300 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,680 could feed off of for at least like your rookie year. 301 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,400 I just know how to lose. I've lost so many times. 302 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,880 Like I'm just like, oh, it's fine. 303 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:42,280 Like I feel like that was an important lesson to learn. 304 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,360 Like, obviously it's not fun to lose, but like, it's part of the 305 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:48,960 sport and I feel like I know how to move on quickly from it. 306 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:50,640 Yeah. What is something that like the 307 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,440 average person could take away from, like such a funny line, 308 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,200 but at the same time very applicable to everyone's? 309 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,080 Like, like, how many mass participation runners are never 310 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,560 going to sniff the front of a marathon or a 5K? 311 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,280 It's like, oh, yeah, we're all just losing and said there are 312 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:07,080 lessons you could take from it. So for even the average person, 313 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:09,000 what would you say is like the biggest thing you could take 314 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,120 away from losing so much? It kind of shows like it's not 315 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:16,200 the end of the world. Like at the end of the day, like 316 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,600 we're all more than like the athlete that we are. 317 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,160 Like we're there. We bring so much more to the 318 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,080 table. Like this is just something that 319 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:23,560 we do. It's not who we are. 320 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:25,640 That was like a big lesson I learned from it. 321 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,200 Like it's not like running is not why I'm valuable as a 322 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:30,200 person. It's just something that I do. 323 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:34,680 Then what happens though when end of 2025 you just you've 324 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,920 learned to start to win? Kind of flips the entire script 325 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,280 of your like. I'm not used to this. 326 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,200 I mean, I feel like even earlier in Boston this year when I 327 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:47,240 raised the New Balance, like I put myself out there, like I 328 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,400 know being like this place, but like I was happy with I was 329 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,720 like, OK, I read fast. But to just like watching the 330 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:56,560 what Dorcas did last year, I was like I got to start closing the 331 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,840 gap. So that was, I feel like another 332 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:02,160 thing. How much of A secret do you feel 333 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,440 like you guys were sitting on throughout the year where Dork 334 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,040 has popped off at the World Championships and peaked at just 335 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,440 the right moment? You're one of the few people who 336 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,599 got to see what it took to get to that point every single day 337 00:17:14,599 --> 00:17:18,400 in practice where it was less of a surprise to Someone Like You 338 00:17:19,040 --> 00:17:21,800 throughout the year, I guess. When did you guys start to feel 339 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:23,839 like something special is happening? 340 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,040 We went to altitude in April and that camp, it was just me and 341 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,000 her. The other middle distance girl 342 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:35,000 had stayed in North Carolina. But I mean, when she's up there, 343 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,400 she's just like a freaking animal. 344 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,280 Like the stuff that we're getting, like, it was like 345 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:41,560 really, really intense workouts and really difficult. 346 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,520 And I was like, I couldn't finish any of the workouts and 347 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:49,000 she was just bodying them. So I feel like when I saw that, 348 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,920 I was like, OK, she's about to have a really good year. 349 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,800 Would it seem like dork is success do for like your own 350 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,040 running and your own belief as to like what you could do 351 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:01,760 against like the Americans? Watching runners like Nikki and 352 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:06,280 Sinclair and Elle, like these are people that like, I've just 353 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,160 been like idolizing and just like watching it like they're 354 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,600 just kind of like celebrities in my mind, Like they're the best 355 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,000 to do it. And I feel like they've really 356 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:19,360 changed the middle distance in the US and just kind of showed 357 00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:22,920 that we like can compete on a higher level. 358 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:27,400 I think seeing Dorkus, like, be able to like, run with them and 359 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,880 like, beat them has really just kind of like, brought it back 360 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:33,600 down to me and like, OK, like, yes, they're these amazing 361 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:36,520 runners, but they're also like, still human and like, I can run 362 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,880 with them. What are some of the skills that 363 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:43,520 like a really good 1500m runner has to have to be successful at 364 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,320 that level? Like if you look at Nikki, 365 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:51,560 Ellie, Dorcas and you're like, they have, you know, these three 366 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:56,000 or four skills and where do you feel you're at with those same 4 367 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,720 skills in terms of just like checking the box or your own 368 00:18:58,720 --> 00:18:59,800 development of it? Like what? 369 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:01,800 Like how would you break it down? 370 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,360 Yeah, I mean, obviously you need to be strong. 371 00:19:05,360 --> 00:19:07,280 I mean, when you get to like world and stuff, you got to make 372 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:09,440 it through the rounds. But you have to be able to hold 373 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,320 like a pretty pretty quick pace for quite a while. 374 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:19,520 And then I like you need to be have speed just because 1500, 375 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:21,320 you don't know you're going to get like it could be like 376 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:23,680 somebody just takes it or you're going to like have to sit and 377 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:27,680 kick and run a 600. Those are pretty tube obvious 378 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,320 factors. And then I just really tactics, 379 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,360 tactics come. I feel like a really big factor 380 00:19:33,360 --> 00:19:37,240 in 1500, which I think that's something I need more experience 381 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,560 with. It's just navigating through the 382 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,200 1500 meter fields and like the traffic and everything and just 383 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:47,760 learning new strategies and then I just think like staying calm 384 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,520 and patient. Is that the hardest? 385 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:53,440 Oh, for me that I'm like a very impatient person. 386 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,160 So it is hard for me. Like I was telling somebody else 387 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:00,200 I was like, I love Maine too. I'm like, I like, sometimes I 388 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,400 just like. I got to move now and then I end 389 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,440 up running like way further than I need to run. 390 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,960 When you were going through all of that for we can break it down 391 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,720 even further, just sort of the strength side of things like I 392 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,240 look at the PRS that I'm looking at that I have in front of me 393 00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:18,120 for you, like you've got everything from 800 all the way 394 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:22,320 through the 5K. Has your background always been 395 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:27,200 more of the longer side to the 15 or because the 800 I guess 396 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,280 like you have run quite a bit like where are you more 8:15 or 397 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,440 or 3K5K15? How I deficit 815? 398 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,400 I feel like when I get over 1500 meters it's pretty brutal. 399 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,480 But cross worked out for you. That's true, that's true, but 400 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:45,240 that was only 2K. Yeah, yeah. 401 00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:50,040 And then from there, the speed side of things, where do you 402 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,040 think developing this kick has really paid off for you in the 403 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,080 last year or so? Speed wise, that's just 404 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,240 something naturally, it just comes very natural to me. 405 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,600 I just feel like tactically like I'm never, I'm never in a 406 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,800 position that I can like utilize it or I just haven't been strong 407 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,360 enough that like I can kick when I get to the finish. 408 00:21:10,360 --> 00:21:12,400 Like I'm like strung out by the time I get there. 409 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,920 So speed is like not something I really like have focused a whole 410 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:17,720 lot. I think it's just it's kind of 411 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,400 just there. For a lot of people, I guess, 412 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,880 who are getting to know a little bit more of your story, there's 413 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:27,200 obviously the fact that your brother's also a professional 414 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,680 runner. Do you come from a pretty deep 415 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,160 running family beyond that? Not at all. 416 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:37,040 My parents I guess dabbled in sports but they weren't like 417 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:39,520 athletes. Me and my brother were just 418 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,160 there was I have two brothers and older sister. 419 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,200 But me and my brothers were just like very energetic and just 420 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,400 like always like running around. But we would like race around 421 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,880 our house when we were younger and we would like time ourselves 422 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,440 like trying to beat it. And then my mom was like this 423 00:21:56,440 --> 00:22:00,680 kind of weird 'cause she like doesn't understand it. 424 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,120 But then one of the teachers that are elementary school 425 00:22:05,120 --> 00:22:09,040 there, her husband was in a summer track coach and she like 426 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,560 saw us like running around and stuff and was like, you should 427 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,040 really bring them out to practice. 428 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:19,000 And then we went to practice and converse our first day and then 429 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:26,440 never look back. 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I feel like fresh 10 year was 467 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:38,200 probably like my best year. I feel like that's kind of when 468 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,480 I learned I was more 815 hundred because I kind of went 800 that 469 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:48,160 year and I won state and cross country in the fall and hadn't 470 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,640 gone as well. I can't remember what place I 471 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,400 got. I know it's top 10, but I feel 472 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,760 like I was a lot stronger once I got to the track and into the 473 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,640 800. But then going into my sophomore 474 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:04,000 I broke my foot. I so I was out like the rest of 475 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,160 high school. I noticed that, OK, because I 476 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,680 was going to ask. I was like, wait, why does this 477 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,680 database go from 2017 and then the next thing I see is 2021? 478 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:15,680 I get the pandemic was one year, but I was like, there's a huge 479 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:16,840 gap here. Yeah. 480 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:21,200 So yeah, I broke my navicular. I had surgery and I was out for 481 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,120 like over a year. Like it was just like, it was 482 00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:26,400 really hard to come back from that. 483 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,040 And my foot didn't heal all the way. 484 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,400 And I ended up breaking the same foot in the same spot again my 485 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,240 freshman year of college. So it was kind of like a good 486 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,960 like four or five years that it was just like I couldn't get any 487 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,280 consistent training. Like I was just battling this. 488 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,000 And then obviously the pandemic too. 489 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,520 So I was like, there are no races for me to run. 490 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:54,120 So yeah, it was pretty brutal time, but took a while to get 491 00:25:54,120 --> 00:25:57,520 out of it. I feel like kind of more end of 492 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,480 college is when I finally had a bit more consistency, like the 493 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,120 training and stuff, and things started coming back together. 494 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:05,840 I guess even that whole time, like you stayed with it. 495 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,680 Like why? You know, sometimes I'm like, 496 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,520 why? But I feel, I really feel like 497 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,360 watching what Graydon was doing, my twin brother, like he was so 498 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:18,840 successful and it was just like so inspiring to watch. 499 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,800 Like I was watching him like run all these footlocker races and 500 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,960 like Brooks PR and I was just like, I wanted to be there so 501 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,520 bad. I was like, I could do this. 502 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,720 I was like, I just need my chance and even an opportunity. 503 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,040 And I was just like, I just needed to get healthy. 504 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,320 And I feel like that was like the biggest thing. 505 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:38,640 And then it got to a point where he's like, I have to do this for 506 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,560 like my younger self because I was like, she wanted it so bad. 507 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,000 So did you get recruited like towards the end of college or 508 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,280 did you just decide to attend TCU and join the track team? 509 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,600 I, I, I feel like I struggled a bit with the college recruiting 510 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,480 process just because I had been hurt like my freshman year, like 511 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,360 I was having like some interest because I've at the time the 512 00:27:00,360 --> 00:27:03,400 times were pretty fast. They're not fast anymore. 513 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:07,840 High school, but yeah. And then I had a pretty decent 514 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,280 cross country season my senior year and that helped. 515 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,280 But I actually started the University of Texas, so they 516 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,120 were interested. They had reached out to me. 517 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,840 I actually had no intentions of ever going to TCU. 518 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,200 I was like, this is too close to home. 519 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,640 Like I can, I need to get away. I need to get in my home. 520 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:27,000 I was telling somebody I was like, you feel like you're so 521 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:33,240 grown at 18, but you're not. So yeah, the college recruiting 522 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,760 process was definitely like, it was pretty difficult and the 523 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,520 situation I was in, but we made it work, started Texas, was 524 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,480 there for a year and a half, and it just wasn't really a great 525 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,520 fit. I mean, I got hurt again that 526 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,360 first year just because my foot hadn't healed all the way from 527 00:27:48,360 --> 00:27:52,160 the surgery that I had. And I just wasn't doing super 528 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,440 great mentally. I was battling depression pretty 529 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,480 bad at that point just with all this stuff that happened high 530 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,280 school and then it like all coming back and I just got I had 531 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,800 to start over. I need a fresh start. 532 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,040 So I ended up transferring to TCU close to home. 533 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,200 It was smaller team and I feel like just a lot more like 534 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,440 individual focus, which is just what I needed at the time. 535 00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,080 Has it been refreshing for you to also see just sort of like in 536 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:20,360 hearing you sort of also share sometimes like the hardest 537 00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:22,720 struggles in college don't necessarily have to be about 538 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,560 injuries or stringing together bad performances. 539 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,440 It's the mental side. And then, you know, we've seen 540 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:32,240 the likes of Juliet Whitaker or Rochene Willis really open up 541 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:37,440 about just what has been hard being part of the NCAA, the 542 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,240 pressures that come with it. Did you feel like there were 543 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,760 enough resources around like at the time that you got the 544 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,680 adequate amount of help to get through some of it? 545 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,000 Or like what are some of the things in that you would like to 546 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,000 see kind of changed in play it in in that place? 547 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,360 NCAA is hard. Like it's, it's a hard 548 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,720 environment to be a part of high school and like going into it, 549 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,160 you don't really know what to expect and it's a lot different 550 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,040 than like I guess what I had in mind. 551 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,960 But there was definitely resources there and definitely 552 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,440 use them more. Once I got to TCU and I was a 553 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:14,280 bit older, I just feel like 18, like, you know your own and 554 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:16,600 stuff. Like I like, I'm just like I was 555 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,160 still a kid. I like, I didn't really know, 556 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,360 like I knew I was struggling, but it's kind of like it was 557 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,000 very hard to like know how to navigate something like that. 558 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,560 Like I, it was just kind of like hard to understand like you what 559 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,880 I was going through. And I just feel like maybe at 560 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,600 the time, like I wasn't like I didn't have the like the 561 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,360 emotional maturity maybe to know like what I needed. 562 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,960 Like I do think the resources are there and like the people 563 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,680 that are like in those positions are great, at least from like 564 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,760 the experience that I had, especially at TCUI. 565 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,320 Just don't know if I was like mature enough to like do what I 566 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,040 needed to do. When you brought up wanting to 567 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:56,640 do it for the younger version of you, what was sort of the vision 568 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:01,520 you wanted to achieve of like, you know, OK, this is what the 569 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,960 younger me wanted and now I'm getting the chance to do it. 570 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,360 And then how has that evolved over time? 571 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:10,440 I was pretty good when I was younger. 572 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,880 Like not amazing, but like I loved it and I loved the sport 573 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,680 and like I could kind of see like I had somewhat of a 574 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:18,360 potential. But I don't like people doubting 575 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,760 me. And I feel like I was always 576 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,440 just on the outside of like almost being good or like making 577 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,240 national stuff. Like I was almost good enough 578 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,200 for a really long time and making it happen now and like 579 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,240 doing it. Like I just know, like my 580 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,400 younger self would be so proud, like I just probably wouldn't 581 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,440 believe it. It's like you knew you had it, 582 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,800 but like it was never happening. And so it's like obviously the 583 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,840 there's a bit of doubt, but like being able to like kind of 584 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,320 change my perspective and just kind of like let go, like all 585 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,120 the pressure and like anxieties that I used to have, like going 586 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:52,000 to the sport and just like I just, I know my younger so be so 587 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,400 proud, just like, and all. Like it would be like me, like 588 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,080 looking up and like, oh, and like Nikki and like Sinclair. 589 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,600 Like I'm like, I feel like I'm becoming like one of those 590 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:03,240 people to myself. What do you remember about the 591 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,400 first time you got to sit in a call room with those actors? 592 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,160 I was. So nervous. 593 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:14,120 I mean I was like holy crap. Like side eyeing, trying to be 594 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,720 like. Like what are they doing? 595 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,680 What? What should I be doing right 596 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,000 now? Yeah, Like, am I, am I doing the 597 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,800 right warmups? And like, I've never done that, 598 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:23,240 but they're doing it. Should I do it? 599 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,760 And like, I knew I'd lost the race before I even started like 600 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,120 step on the track because my mind was just like wandering 601 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,920 like all over the place. But like, you would it's cool. 602 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:35,640 Like send me online with some of those people because it's kind 603 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,480 of like you don't really like think about it until it happens. 604 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,320 You're like, oh, wow. Like I'm on the line with this 605 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:44,600 person. Like don't care about the run. 606 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,200 Yeah. Because I think I was in the pre 607 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,760 limit, the Olympic final. And I just feel like it was just 608 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,640 loaded. It had like everybody in it. 609 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,520 And I was like, oh God. Someone might be wondering, it's 610 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,200 like, OK, so how do you fix that? 611 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,240 How do you correct it? And it feels like it's just 612 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,760 exposure therapy, just being in those races and fields more 613 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,400 often that OK. Hopefully next year by the time 614 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,960 this meat rolls around like I won't be as fazed. 615 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:16,760 I feel like that was because, I mean, it's exposure therapy, 616 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,680 like it's intimidating stepping on. 617 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,560 So it the line of like what like people that you look up to and 618 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,000 like, you know, they're just like dogs, like they're about to 619 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,520 run me into the ground and they know that they could do it. 620 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,360 So you just you just got to get used. 621 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,440 To do you feel like after a certain point you become the 622 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,760 dog, right? You were stringing together 623 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,440 enough performances last fall that come the cross country 624 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:45,600 championships, like the for the 2K, I'm sure the secret is and 625 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,800 the cat is out of the bag at this point where it's like you 626 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,840 do have a chance to win these races. 627 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,960 And so do you have to, I guess, like turn that dog on? 628 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:59,760 It's it's like at some point. It's kind of like opposite of 629 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,280 that. Like I feel like I've just like 630 00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:05,400 relaxed and like calm down and like try to just like I want to 631 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,400 have fun, like I love this and like I want to be here and then 632 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,440 like just taking the pressure off. 633 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,520 I'm ready. I'm like practice is way harder 634 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,080 than this race. I feel like I don't need like 635 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,520 that you're. Like, I'm not, I'm not an 636 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,720 aggressive dog. I'm just like a puppy trying to 637 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,080 have fun. Exactly. 638 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,640 Exactly, just here for the vibes. 639 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:27,640 When the race starts though, you do have to have a level of focus 640 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,400 then. Yeah, I just feel like my 641 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,120 brother started this term. I think he got it from like the 642 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:37,480 distance team at Texas. But it's like smooth brain, like 643 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,000 just no thought. Like you're just instinct, like 644 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,840 reacting or like you're not thinking. 645 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:44,600 So I try to go smooth brain. What's the race? 646 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,080 That's that's such a great way of, of thinking about it. 647 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:54,480 So then what have you made so far of, you know, the US cross 648 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,960 country championships? They go so well. 649 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,760 You get the chance to run at world cross first time that 650 00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:02,960 you're looking around and seeing people in national team kits, 651 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,840 you get to put on Team USA. What was the biggest take away 652 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,040 from that experience? Yeah, I mean, I I feel like 653 00:34:11,199 --> 00:34:13,880 having my first world championship be in the United 654 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,520 States, it was just like cool to see like all the support, like 655 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,199 all these people, they have no clue who I am. 656 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:21,840 They're like, God, you want to say like just like screaming 657 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,080 their heads off. But it was also so cool. 658 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,560 Like I feel like it's distance runners. 659 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:30,199 We don't get many opportunities to compete like as a group, like 660 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,120 on a team. And like I thought that was like 661 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:34,960 a really cool, like first experiences. 662 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,920 Like I got to be a part of that group with like Sage, Wes and 663 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,199 Ethan and like run as a group. So I mean, it was just an honor. 664 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:48,320 Like obviously that was like a checkpoint on like my goals list 665 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,600 and like being able to represent the US because I hadn't before. 666 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,360 So that was it was just really cool. 667 00:34:53,639 --> 00:34:57,880 How quickly after cross did you have to basically turn it around 668 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,440 and be like, all right, now I got to switch into indoor season 669 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,080 mode? What was it like 2 weeks later? 670 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:08,040 I was at New Balance of Boston, so almost immediate. 671 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,880 It was like I got back and had to work out like 48 hours later, 672 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,920 like we're just spreading. OK, one thing that got picked up 673 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:22,680 on by our he was photographing new bounce indoors was Macfleet 674 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:27,040 who's on our team and he was photographing the 1500 and he 675 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,520 noticed one thing and that was that your spikes at New Balance 676 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,000 Indoor Grand Prix still had like grass or mud on them. 677 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:41,320 And he was like, surely those can't be the same spikes from 678 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,880 Cross? Like, I'm sure she could get 679 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,400 another fresh pair of spikes for the track. 680 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:51,760 So clear this one up for us. Like, are they just like a lucky 681 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,160 pair of spikes? Like what? 682 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,200 What's the story there? They're the same spikes. 683 00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,880 They definitely have much stains on them. 684 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,160 I wear the still still I wear the I. 685 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,520 I got in a brand new pair for Tallahassee and I only wore them 686 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:09,080 that one time and then I was like, I was just being lazy. 687 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:11,920 I haven't asked for a new pair of spikes cause like they're 688 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,720 basically brand new. So yeah, I still wearing the the 689 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:19,280 muddy cross country spikes. Those muddy cross country spikes 690 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:25,120 have now led to a four O2 1500 meter PPV in that race in 691 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:28,440 Boston. 2 weeks later, mud's still fresh and then at this 692 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:32,240 point, everything's probably dried up, but and you might be 693 00:36:32,240 --> 00:36:35,760 carrying like an extra oz or two of weight on those spikes, but 694 00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:41,200 still good enough to finish second in the 1500 final at the 695 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,680 US Indoor Championships. I mean, so you ran 2 flat in 696 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:49,280 them as well, 423 for the mile at Melrose. 697 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,040 Yeah. I mean, you're, you're putting 698 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:55,800 some mileage. On it I have been I I should 699 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,720 probably order a new pair but just haven't got around. 700 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,640 When we commented on this, like on our preview podcast, we did 701 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:06,640 hear from Luke at Puma. He's like, for the record, I did 702 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,360 send Gracie like a new pair of spikes, and I was like, well, 703 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:12,880 she's still running in the cross ones. 704 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,720 Yeah. Is the plan to wear them at the 705 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:17,800 World Indoor Championships at this point? 706 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:19,880 There's just so much good luck on them. 707 00:37:20,240 --> 00:37:22,240 Probably. I mean, I haven't even like 708 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,120 thought about like, oh, I need to ask for a new pair of spikes. 709 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,840 So yeah, I think, I think they'll go to Poland with me. 710 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,080 There we go. At this point, yeah, I think at 711 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:34,840 this point just see the whole indoor season through and then 712 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,440 fresh pair for the outdoor season. 713 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:42,120 Yes, as we get ready for the world indoor Championships, like 714 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,720 how are you feeling? Just sort of mentally, this is 715 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,360 your first global championship on the track. 716 00:37:47,720 --> 00:37:52,080 So I'm sure like mentally it's sort of like got a lock back in 717 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,720 soon. I feel prepared for it. 718 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:54,920 Like I definitely think I'm ready. 719 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,520 Like we just kind of like are going back into training and 720 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,400 just normal week. I was saying like it almost like 721 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,280 nothing feels different. Like I was like it almost 722 00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,080 doesn't really even happen. So I feel like that's kind of 723 00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:10,280 like a good thing going into this because I just, I feel like 724 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:13,280 I'm just inserted back right into normal life and training 725 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,360 so. What are you looking forward to 726 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,200 the most getting out to to Poland? 727 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,280 You haven't. Have you raced internationally 728 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,600 before? I raced in Nice last summer. 729 00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:23,240 OK, but that was it. Yeah. 730 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,320 So one time. So this will be the second 731 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,640 international race for you. Yeah. 732 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,120 Getting out to Poland, I guess, like, do you have anything that 733 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:33,240 you've looked up yet or anything like like, oh, maybe we should 734 00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:36,120 hit this place like coffee shops or whatever it might be. 735 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,440 I haven't the the only thing was I can't wait to get there so 736 00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,040 that I can play the Lil Yotti song pull in. 737 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,800 I was like, that's the only thing that I'm like, I have to 738 00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,680 play this one I get. You're like, I got to play it 739 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,200 and then like I already have my pre race Instagram post ready, 740 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,360 locked, drafted up, captions ready. 741 00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,600 Just need to, you know, to add the song and we're good to go. 742 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:03,240 Exactly. Exactly. 743 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,680 Do you feel like right now we're at this point with US, 1500 744 00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:12,080 meter running right where on the women's side there over the last 745 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:18,480 couple of years, you've had Nikki, Emily and Ellie and then 746 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:23,480 the crazy 2024 Olympic Trials final where everyone dipped 747 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:28,360 under 4 minutes and felt like and it took 355 to make the 748 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,080 team. Then again, like looking at your 749 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,480 PBS, four O 4 outdoors, 4-O2 indoors sometimes, like at these 750 00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,600 championships, like it can go slower and tactical. 751 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,800 And that's where sort of we can get some different names on 752 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,160 these teams. But I think it also signals that 753 00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:48,920 Someone Like You could be poised for an outdoor breakout 754 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,000 mentally. Do you see yourself as like, 755 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,880 yeah, come at some point during this outdoor season? 756 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,200 I know like, my PB on paper doesn't scream anything crazy, 757 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:04,040 but it might be time to, you know, let's get a fast one on 758 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,760 the board and see that way. I think more people do take 759 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,360 notice then after that. Yeah, I feel, I mean, I felt 760 00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,640 like I was capable of running faster than four O 4 last 761 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,720 outdoor season. I just couldn't get into the 762 00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:21,120 races that were going faster than four O 4 because my PR 763 00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,160 wasn't fast enough. I definitely like feel confident 764 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,680 about running faster and hopefully dipping under 4 765 00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:30,000 minutes this year. I feel like I just need the 766 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,440 opportunity, like actually be able to get into the race races 767 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,160 that are running that pace, because a lot of the ones that I 768 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,960 did this year is like, we go out way too slow. 769 00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:41,800 And I would just like, be behind like Laurie Barton and she'd 770 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,280 just start like cranking it down. 771 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:47,960 And it's like a nasty nugget to split the last 800 meters. 772 00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:51,640 So yeah, hopefully I can just get into some faster races. 773 00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:56,000 What about the 800? We're sitting at 2 flat from 774 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:59,680 that JDL meet a couple weeks ago for indoors and then two O 1 775 00:40:59,720 --> 00:41:01,640 outdoors. Feels like you're just you're 776 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:02,960 knocking on the door of the sun too. 777 00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,840 I'm hoping I would be very happy with the year if I get a break 778 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,440 for and two minutes because the sub Two's been I've been waiting 779 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:19,120 for that one for a while. The 5K PBI see here 1649 from 780 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:24,000 2024, is that one safe for a bit or you you think you want to 781 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,320 knock a couple a minute or so off of that one? 782 00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,480 You know, I hope that one's safe. 783 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,920 I have no intention of running a 5K. 784 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:31,920 Yeah, you're. Like I just don't. 785 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:35,240 I just don't want to run A5 Ki. Don't really want to that one. 786 00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:39,000 Yeah, I raced an 800 and then like 40 minutes later I had to 787 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:40,800 go run the 5K. So nice. 788 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:42,800 Nice. K that makes much more sense 789 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:44,360 now. Yeah, it was kind of like a 790 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,640 practice day. We were turning the meat into a 791 00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,800 workout. Gotcha. 792 00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,800 OK, that makes more sense. Yeah, the Texas A&M Invite. 793 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,200 I'm looking at that one right now, which you won that race. 794 00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:56,640 I did, yeah. Nobody wanted to go with me. 795 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,800 I was like, guys, you can beat me. 796 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:01,880 I just ran. I was like I'm toast. 797 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,760 But I paced Grace Hartman in a 10K last year and they came 798 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:08,120 through like 16 flat so. OK, there you go. 799 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,440 You're like unofficial PR. Unofficial, yeah. 800 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,280 So yeah. Is there anything else that 801 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:17,960 you're hoping like people get to learn or follow along from your 802 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,200 story and and career so far? Because it feels like we're 803 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,880 just, we're only getting started. 804 00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,760 It seems like this is going to be your second year as a pro. 805 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:29,360 What is it that you're hoping? I guess you know when there's, 806 00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,200 it's such a crowded picture in the 1500, you're like, there's 807 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:36,960 people who are, yes, everyone's like a Nicki fan and people can 808 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:40,440 be Ellie fans, but why should they be a a Gracie Morris fan? 809 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,440 Hopefully I can like show people that like through consistency 810 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,920 and like you don't have to have like, I guess like your typical 811 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:51,360 journey to like make it in the sport and just like have fun 812 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,800 with it. Like like go the pressure, like 813 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,520 go the anxiety. Like at the end of the day, 814 00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:58,680 you're just running. Like you do this every single 815 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,920 day. I get practice and stuff and 816 00:43:01,720 --> 00:43:02,880 just kind of like bet on yourself. 817 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,600 I feel like when you have that belief and you know that you 818 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,640 like have it, like just don't let people tell you otherwise. 819 00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:13,640 And that dog in you, I feel like Will eventually start to to 820 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,560 bark. It might be you might be a puppy 821 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:18,280 right now on the start list who's ready to have some fun and 822 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,480 getting having some success. But at some point the dog starts 823 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,480 barking. I hope so. 824 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,640 We'll see. You want to see? 825 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,880 Gracie, I appreciate you taking the time for this. 826 00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,680 This is a lot of fun. 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