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Check it all out at 42 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:16,480 xendurance.com. Code Sidious for 25% off your 43 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:19,600 first order. What's up everyone? 44 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:21,760 You are listening to the Sidious Mag podcast. 45 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,400 I'm your host Chris Chavez, and every week we go beyond the 46 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,080 results to bring you conversations with the biggest 47 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,480 names on the track, the roads, and behind the scenes. 48 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:32,760 From world class athletes and coaches to innovators shaping 49 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,920 the sport. If it's happening on the track, 50 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,840 we're covering it with real insights that sharpen minds, 51 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,360 deep dives into the moments that define careers and the kind of 52 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,320 access to the pros you won't get anywhere else. 53 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,960 So let's get into it because we love track and field. 54 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,280 My guest for today's episode is Zuhair Talbi. 55 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:54,360 This is his second time on the show this year. 56 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,520 We had him back on the podcast in January after his victory at 57 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:01,160 the Houston Marathon in two O 5. On Monday at the Boston 58 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:06,160 Marathon, he finished fifth overall in two O 345, became the 59 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,280 top American in the race and broke Ryan Hall's American 60 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,080 course record that had stood since 2011. 61 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,280 He did it in regular prescription glasses after 62 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,200 back-to-back marathon blocks with barely 10 days off between 63 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,720 each, and after a training build that included 1/2 marathon PR in 64 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,200 New York City while still in the middle of a full training load. 65 00:03:25,640 --> 00:03:27,960 As we've covered previously on the show, Zuhair was born in 66 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:30,320 Morocco and grew up there before coming to the United States, 67 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,480 where he now trains in Colorado Springs under coach Scott 68 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,560 Simmons. City has first covered him at 69 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,840 the Trials of Miles Texas qualifier in February 2021, and 70 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,920 this performance in Boston was a long time in the making. 71 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,880 In this conversation, he takes us inside the lead pack on race 72 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,280 day, explains what it's like to run right next to John Career 73 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,760 and read the field in real time, and he shares his honest 74 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,960 thinking about what it will take to go from 2O3 to being a 75 00:03:56,960 --> 00:04:01,080 genuine contender at the 2028 US Olympic Trials and potentially 76 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,520 beyond. He also speaks directly and 77 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,120 thoughtfully about what it means to represent the United States 78 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,080 and what he wants his son, who was born here and is growing up 79 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:12,480 here, to see when he watches his father compete. 80 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,440 So without further ado, here is Zuhair. 81 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:29,160 Talbi All right, now welcome on Zuhair 82 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:34,480 Talbi, Mr. Two O 345 Top American at the 2026 Boston 83 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,680 Marathon. How's that sound? 84 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,600 Sounds unreal. That's that's how you sounds 85 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,760 like. Yeah, it's crazy. 86 00:04:43,840 --> 00:04:48,560 It was unbelievable. It was like just a great 87 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:53,200 weekend. Perfect race, perfect condition. 88 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:59,480 Yeah, we came out with 2-3 top American, 5th place. 89 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:04,040 So yeah, it's all good. So we talked back in January 90 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:07,560 after the Houston Marathon performance that you had. 91 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:12,160 And even then, you know, I still felt like 'cause I, I've been 92 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,160 telling you that you could do great things in Boston. 93 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:17,760 You know, two years ago, I think it was at the press conference, 94 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,560 I found you and I said something to you along those lines. 95 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:24,160 And even when we talked in January, you were still a little 96 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,640 bit more humble about your expectations in Boston. 97 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,320 So take me through this race weekend. 98 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:34,400 I guess what was sort of like your internal dialogue like when 99 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,640 it came to yourself confidence and belief that something big 100 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:40,960 could happen. It's different. 101 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:45,040 It's like you train very well, you know, you get you get those 102 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:50,480 good place in training and you get a lot of good feedbacks. 103 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:54,520 You know, you race half marathon, you like OK, I think I 104 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:58,880 think I'm close to that level where I can compete with the the 105 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:03,480 top guys. But it's just if you're not 106 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:10,000 close enough, you can't just say, hey, I'm going to podium 107 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:15,200 today because there is a lot of you know, there's guys that run 108 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:20,080 22 me coming to Boston. I know my bib number was 15. 109 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:27,080 So there's 14 faster than me. So you can't just from nowhere 110 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,760 say, hey, I I can be in the podium. 111 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:36,040 But I think I always want us to compete in the race. 112 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:43,040 And I, I build that that thing where I sense my body. 113 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:50,680 I know I know where I can go and where I can just hold off or so 114 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:52,840 during the race they get feedbacks. 115 00:06:52,840 --> 00:06:55,400 Then. I mean, in the race in Boston 116 00:06:55,400 --> 00:07:00,080 this weekend, I just knew everything is clicking. 117 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,720 I can compete today. And yeah, and that's what 118 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,400 happened. What was the race plan that you 119 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,480 and coach Scott Simmons came up with before the race of. 120 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:13,920 Course Scott, he he really didn't give me like, like a lot 121 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,320 of instruction. You just say, man, you're fit, 122 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:21,000 you're fit. Then you know better than two or 123 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:22,960 five when you're running in Houston. 124 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:30,720 And I mean, that means, you know, I can run 24225 low, but 125 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:33,320 you know, you're talking about Boston, You're like, oh, there's 126 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:38,240 Hells, you know, there's you might not the race might not go 127 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,480 fast. So, but I know I'm in a good 128 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,680 fitness. So he just, he just said, hey, 129 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:50,320 if you, if you want to be in the top, you know, be like top five, 130 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,600 for example, you got to be competing, you got to be in the 131 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:55,360 top, You got to be there when you do the moves. 132 00:07:55,360 --> 00:08:00,680 I think we both agreed that I have to be there during the race 133 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:06,520 if I want to like, you know, get a fast, fast time or or both, 134 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,160 like good position in the race. What were the signs in this 135 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,920 training block that showed you I guess that you were fitter than 136 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,200 than Houston? Do you, Did you do a lot of the 137 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,640 same workouts and then just the splits or times were faster or 138 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:23,240 how did training look? I think number one thing is me 139 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:28,320 being healthy right for this is my third block, the 140 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:32,679 back-to-back. So my the time I was ticking off 141 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,039 between blocks was just less than 10 days. 142 00:08:36,039 --> 00:08:38,320 So I was not taking a lot of time off. 143 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:43,880 So it's for me coming to Boston, it was like, hey, this is this 144 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:48,600 is not like just one block. It's a continuous work since 145 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,640 April last year. So it was it was a full year of 146 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:57,360 training. And I feel like I was getting 147 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:02,480 faster as as I go, you know, each, each race, each marathon 148 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:07,480 and and yeah, me running in New York City half marathon, like 149 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,080 my, my person best in the half in a, in a Helen course. 150 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,320 I think that's that's the biggest indicator that because I 151 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:18,240 was training for a marathon at that point. 152 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:22,600 So I'm like, yeah, this is a good sign that I can run 153 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,320 something fast in the marathon. I feel like now the easy thing 154 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:31,000 is going to be able to see, OK, Zuhair did this on this course, 155 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,000 Connor did this on this course, and a lot of the same races, 156 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,160 right? Like last year Connor ran 157 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:40,200 Houston half, then NYC half than Boston NYC half. 158 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:45,280 I think he went 5915. This time around you went 5941. 159 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:51,240 He goes 2O four or two O 5. In Boston you go 2O3. 160 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,040 So like there's a lot of similarities except for the fact 161 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,280 that the training behind the scenes looks different, the race 162 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,320 day conditions looks different, the competition looks different. 163 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:03,760 So what were some of the signs you took from that Houston or 164 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,320 from that New York City half performance that you thought, 165 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,280 OK, we're going in the right direction, Boston? 166 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:14,440 I think the time that's the first thing, but also I finished 167 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:18,240 strong in that race and I basically I was in control the 168 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:20,800 whole race. So I was like, I was the one 169 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,560 doing the moves. I was the one slowing down. 170 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:26,760 I was, I was basically in control and they think that 171 00:10:27,080 --> 00:10:32,040 ability to get to that level and then I'm I'm, I watched Connor 172 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:36,200 Man's races and I think he's, he's similar way. 173 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,520 He's like if he's fit, you know, he's in control. 174 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,480 He's the one predicted, you know, put the pace and everyone 175 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,680 follows and and yeah, there's a lot of similarities there. 176 00:10:47,680 --> 00:10:54,240 And I think running like New York half I was, you know, just 177 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:59,680 a few, a few days before I was doing my big workouts, like big 178 00:10:59,680 --> 00:11:02,520 long runs. So he was not like AI was not 179 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:07,160 like tapered to run that race. So and that's different because 180 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,600 when you're taper, you're like more, you know, because I was, I 181 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:13,760 was talking with Adrian the winner and then we were like, 182 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,920 he's like, man, I was, I was trained for this race, like a 183 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,600 whole block was just for this race to win it. 184 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,480 And there was taper for this. And I was like, that's totally 185 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,320 different story for me because I this is just to see where I am. 186 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,760 And yeah, I think he was, he was a good sign right after New 187 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:37,280 York, like four days after I, I did like 25 miles and I averaged 188 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,640 like 5-10, something like that. And I was like, yeah, this is, 189 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:45,120 this is good, good sign, you know, and my track workouts, 190 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,520 they were, they were, you know, like I can run 430 pace and it 191 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:54,200 feels, it feels comfortable. So I think in training you can 192 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:58,920 get a lot of data that can help you for sure, like make your 193 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,080 mind or decide what pace you're going to, you're going to be 194 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:03,680 running in the marathon. OK. 195 00:12:03,680 --> 00:12:07,200 So take me through those two weeks sort of after New York 196 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:12,040 City half like what did sort of like the training look like, you 197 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:16,040 know, Monday through Sunday? And I guess what were some of 198 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,640 the the biggest workouts or performance indicators that 199 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,200 stand out to you from from from that that time period? 200 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,000 Because at that point, then we're like a month out from from 201 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,040 Boston. So the way we do it is like, OK, 202 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:33,040 so when we did New York half is like this is our tempo run. 203 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,960 Like basically that's, that's our long tempo session. 204 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:40,880 So we're we're basically, we're like the way we work is like we 205 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:45,000 have a tempo, like a long tempo, we have a long run and we have a 206 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,160 track workout. So three things in a week. 207 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,440 So when I did that, the next thing I did, it was a track 208 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:54,560 workout. Then the long run was Friday 209 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,040 that week, the same week. So I run Sunday. 210 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,000 I did think Wednesday did a workout. 211 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:08,640 Then Friday I did long run. And so in advance I already 212 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,840 know, hey, like Hillary was training for Rotterdam. 213 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,960 So he was like basically waiting for me or we we lined it in a 214 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,800 way where we both can do the long run together. 215 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,040 And that that helps a lot because you know, you're going 216 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:26,240 like such a fast pace in a helicorp. 217 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:31,000 So you definitely need some teammates and can't find better 218 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,920 than Hillary born in in long run. 219 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:39,400 So we were we did that. And I remember I finish, I 220 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:42,240 finished like 450 in that long run. 221 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,760 And that's not like I'm still tired from the race and still 222 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:52,840 like still like that week was 125 mile week. 223 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:56,560 So by Friday you're already tired because there's a lot of 224 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:01,960 mileage on you. So Sunday I went to the hills. 225 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:07,120 So I did, I do like just a loop where to like 7000 feet. 226 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:11,800 So I was just going through the hills and not really the fast 227 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:16,800 pace, just like trying to like get used to like uphills, 228 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:21,600 downhills. And right after that I did 229 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:29,720 Tuesday I did the following week I did a truck workout 1K repeats 230 00:14:29,720 --> 00:14:37,760 and I was doing so I finish at 240 per Ki start at 2:50 and so 231 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:42,040 that like an average of 245 and that's like with a short period 232 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,280 of rest and and they felt strong. 233 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:49,520 And the same week I run a race Cooper River 10K Saturday. 234 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:54,000 So keep the same, keep the mileage didn't taper anything. 235 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:58,320 So I run so I surprised myself in Cooper River. 236 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:05,240 I run 2736 and he has one mile where you go uphill and 237 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,440 basically like a mile, 2 miles where you go slightly downhill. 238 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,960 And I was like, yeah, this that's that's called fitness. 239 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,280 If you can really be inside of mileage and be able to do that 240 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:23,000 in a hell, of course, I was definitely motivated. 241 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:28,520 So because I know I can keep up with a fast pace, the question 242 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:34,000 was like Boston, it's very hard to like have a scenario in your 243 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,080 mind. So it changes the way people run 244 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,680 like the Hell's the weather. So I was just hoping for the 245 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,960 best, like the day of the race. But yeah, everything lined up 246 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,720 perfect by the the race. When I did the work at the race, 247 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,000 I still went in that evening and they doubled. 248 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,360 So I did like my repeat at 440 pace. 249 00:15:54,680 --> 00:16:00,880 So and I did like 6 by 1 mile. And that week, like that weekend 250 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:06,720 they did a long run again. So next day I did like 15 miles. 251 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:11,680 So it's basically it's like accumulating mileage, but during 252 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,640 Ramadan it's like I did not really. 253 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:22,680 So I just basically pushed my schedule where I train around 254 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:26,000 evening time. My first run is like around 3:00 255 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,920 PM for example. And so I can eat after my run. 256 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:34,600 So I finish my run around six or five. 257 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,520 I eat around 6630. That's that was the time when I 258 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:42,840 eat. So I recover until like 10:00 PM 259 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,040 Then I do my second run and usually my heart sessions are 260 00:16:47,240 --> 00:16:50,400 after I eat. So, and then you was using a lot 261 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:55,440 of, I was using a lot of treadmill runs and I was, I was 262 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,520 using the Woodway treadmill and it's like insane. 263 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,800 Like I have a friend of mine who has one and that was, I was 264 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,880 doing it and I was like running some fast splits And I was like, 265 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,640 there's no way. This is the probably the 266 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:14,160 treadmill is helping because I was running like 6460 seconds in 267 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,680 the four hundreds, right? Like or like 2 minutes. 268 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,960 I finished with two minutes in the 8 hundreds, right? 269 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,599 I started like 210 and they finished at 200 in the 800 and I 270 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:29,080 was like, now there is no way that definitely the treadmill 271 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,800 has something. But when I went to New York half 272 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:39,320 I was I had a confirmation that my training was was right, was 273 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,560 everything was right. It's just because here in 274 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:46,080 Colorado Springs, I'm used to like running on the hills, like 275 00:17:46,120 --> 00:17:50,960 all, all my regular workouts, we're going to have like 300 276 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:55,600 feet elevation gain just in our normal regular like workouts. 277 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:59,920 So we, we got used to that working in the hills where if I 278 00:17:59,920 --> 00:18:02,840 run in a treadmill, I'm like if it feels a lot easier. 279 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,760 So that's that's what happened. What were the final touches 280 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:11,680 then, if that was sort of middle to end of March, what was done 281 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,240 in the last couple weeks to kind of fine tune things before 282 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,120 Boston? My last workout it was 2 weeks 283 00:18:19,120 --> 00:18:24,080 out which I shared in my YouTube channel and there was doing like 284 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:31,360 2K like around like 430 pace then followed by 1K around 285 00:18:31,360 --> 00:18:38,400 550-5510 pace. So I averaged like 250, 53, 286 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:43,320 sorry 450 per mile for like 10 miles. 287 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:46,640 So I was like I stopped at 10 miles. 288 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:53,280 We have like in the plant 10 to like 20 K like 12 miles, 10 to 289 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:54,960 So I was like at 10 I was like that's it. 290 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,920 There's nothing to gain anymore. I checked all the boxes. 291 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:05,280 So two weeks out, I was just keeping it where I, I go to the 292 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,000 workout. I run fast, but just not too 293 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:13,920 much like volume. So I, I was doing half what I 294 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,560 used to do before my legs still going fast. 295 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,520 But we want, we want to just maintain. 296 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,880 There's at that point, there's nothing to gain. 297 00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:27,960 It's more like just stay healthy as much as possible to the race. 298 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:32,240 And yeah, I was not doing that much two weeks out, yeah. 299 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,240 All right, so now we get to to Boston, everyone's kind of 300 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,680 starting to talk a little bit about the weather forecast. 301 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:42,920 We look in sort of see that the wind is looking pretty good in 302 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,480 the lead up to it. And when they asked you just 303 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:50,760 sort of about this in the press conference afterwards that very 304 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:56,120 early on you said like today is going to be a fast time and you 305 00:19:56,120 --> 00:19:59,520 guys go through halfway and what like 61 high? 306 00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:04,040 Yeah, 6150 something, yeah. But even before that, like what 307 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,040 started to stick out to you in the first half of the race as to 308 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,360 like how it was unfolding, like what were what were some of the 309 00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:10,880 things that you observed or noticed? 310 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,360 Now I've all say the first thing I noticed right away is we went 311 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:21,560 first K and basically I was forcing myself to not keep 312 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,840 going. I was like, I was I was like, 313 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:30,280 it's really steep downhill. So I was like, Nah, I wanna I 314 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:32,360 saw John next John Korea next to me. 315 00:20:32,360 --> 00:20:35,320 I was like, if John Korea is here, I will stay here and 316 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:40,600 there's no but after one Ki just keep the legs going the same 317 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,160 pace and I found myself in the front. 318 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:48,280 So I was like, apparently no one wants to run fast today. 319 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,760 So I was in the front, but just, I knew they're going to catch me 320 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,680 at some point. I, I have no like desire to keep 321 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,880 going or anything. I just want to keep like just an 322 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:04,520 honest, like just a reasonable pace where we keep going. 323 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:09,320 So, but the plan was to stay in the pack. 324 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:14,680 There is no like trying to lead or, or try to like breakthrough, 325 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,880 you know, I know my computers. There's no way I can just run 326 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,440 away from them from from the start or anything. 327 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:29,040 So but what I noticed is that pace felt easier. 328 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:36,520 And, and also I, I noticed that our John career, like Vincent 329 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,680 Caputo, they were, they were, they were just preparing for a 330 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,960 big move. They were not like they were 331 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,200 they didn't care who's in the front because they were not like 332 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,120 you were so patient that if someone like didn't move, which 333 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:58,440 like a lot of like Hendrick was there like went to the front. 334 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:04,840 I think Rory at some point was in the front. 335 00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,600 Yeah. I like different really 336 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,280 different runners. We were in the front. 337 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,760 But I noticed John Career and Vincent, they were, they were 338 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,240 not even like paying attention. They were like they were 339 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,120 chilling. They were chilling. 340 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,600 And that was right next to John Korea. 341 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,840 And he was like the way he was breathing. 342 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,560 I was like, there is no way today. 343 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,600 That's his day because he was just chilling and. 344 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,200 That's exactly what I was going to ask you. 345 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,480 Is this sort of, can you describe like the breathing and 346 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:36,200 the sounds in that pack? Because it's, I'm sure there's 347 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,360 some people who are even at that effort or with that pace, 348 00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:42,480 they're starting to breathe heavy just naturally because 349 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,560 that's how, yeah, you would. But with those guys, I feel like 350 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,400 it, if you don't hear anything that you're like, oh man, 351 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,840 they're feeling good. Yeah, like I was next to Benson. 352 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,240 Benson was was breathing. You can you can hear. 353 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:56,800 He was like breathing a lot of it. 354 00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:59,440 But John was like, you can't hear anything. 355 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,120 He's like just really calm, no emotions in the face. 356 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:05,920 And that's a good sign. Like, you know, that he's he's 357 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,080 really to roll. And I think when the race 358 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:17,120 breakthrough is right before the half where I think is it, let me 359 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:20,280 Burhanu. Burhanu, yes, that's when he 360 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:25,080 took off. Then John, he saw the gap start 361 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,520 building and then he just yeah, took off. 362 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:33,080 And I was like, I don't want to fall out John there's but when 363 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,520 Vincent fall out, I just was right behind Benson keep her to 364 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,080 the whole time. And we we got to John around, I 365 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:45,480 don't know, like after 2 miles or something, but he like 366 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,000 something was weird. He's just he slew down so much 367 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,880 like he was stopped like he was jogging. 368 00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,520 He didn't want to leave and no one want to take it. 369 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,440 So we were for like 1010 seconds. 370 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,720 We were just jogging. That was like, come on, are you 371 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:07,720 telling me I did the 2 miles right behind you guys and now 372 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,480 you're going to like chill? Then I took it, you know, I took 373 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:17,200 it a little bit a couple miles, but at that point I can see that 374 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,160 we really made a gap right because we were going like four 375 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,640 25430 pace to to get to the Berhano. 376 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,760 Are you getting better now just that you've done Boston multiple 377 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:32,520 times and you've been in so many international competitions as 378 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:35,640 well of being able to read what's a real move? 379 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,840 What's not a real move? What's just sort of like people 380 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,040 searching for a water station? What's just sort of someone 381 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:45,880 running the the tangents like like this time around, Now that 382 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,960 you've stacked this experience in Boston, how would you grade 383 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,720 just sort of your ability to read your competitors in this 384 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,640 one? The way I was looking at it, I 385 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,200 know the names, right? If literally I was, I was the 386 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,640 two guys I have in mind was was Vincent Caputo and symbol. 387 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,320 And I know if they do the move, it's not like they're gonna die 388 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:12,080 by the end or anything, But if someone else, there's a high 389 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,280 chance, you know, that, you know, we're going to catch them 390 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,520 by the end. So yeah, I think you got to read 391 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:25,840 your computers a little bit and and and you know, early on even 392 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:31,560 someone just took off. It's it's really hard to finish 393 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,920 with the same pace. But after half marathon, I 394 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,320 think, yeah, that's when the race starts. 395 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:41,920 So I was I was paying more attention after the half and I 396 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,000 think the real move where I saw it, the one I described when 397 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,640 Benson, when John tried to go and Benson followed him. 398 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,200 So I was like, that's the real move. 399 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:58,480 And and the second one was right before the heart heartbreak hell 400 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:05,000 where yeah, John just took off and everyone is following at 401 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:10,520 that point. I know there is no coming back. 402 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:15,800 There is just you got to just, you got to just push, yeah. 403 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:22,760 I'm curious if you feel that in a race like this, you are using 404 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,920 a different skill set and toolbox versus when you're just 405 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:34,280 racing, say like some of the USATF Rd. racing Rd. races or 406 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,520 some races here domestically where it's less, it's more 407 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,960 American competition versus the international competition. 408 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,280 Because when I was talking to Rory earlier today, you know, 409 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:49,000 the way he described you was that it was like, man, Zuhair 410 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:54,080 has just a set of skills that he can really make you hurt in the 411 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,200 race. Like the guy has the ability to 412 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,680 surge and break, you know, a set of competitors behind him, you 413 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,520 know, differently than some other people. 414 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,520 And that's going to be super valuable when you're facing just 415 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,440 Americans in, you know, less than two years at the at the 416 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,680 trials. But I wonder when you're 417 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:16,400 attacking Boston, you have those skills, but you're not 418 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,680 necessarily using those. You just have to play a game 419 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,320 more of preservation and covering the moves against the 420 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,160 international competition, right? 421 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:31,280 Yeah, you nailed it. It's like you're like if I was 422 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:36,560 just in a, as you said, USTF race and I am the favorite to 423 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,600 win the race. So I will detect how the pace 424 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,440 would go and they will try to break the field. 425 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,320 I will use whatever tools they have to like. 426 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:51,920 But in a race like Boston, the race is detected like it's it's 427 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:56,280 planned already by by like names like John Career or Vincent 428 00:27:56,280 --> 00:28:01,240 Caputo or like symbol is like they're, they're the guys. 429 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,600 You just need to follow them. So at that point I did not do 430 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,560 anything basically in the race more than just follow their 431 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,320 moves. I think if I had the chance, 432 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,600 that's what I was like. Something deep in my mind is 433 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:22,640 like if I was like with them until like 30, I don't know, 434 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,640 like just two 2 miles to go and they still in the pack. 435 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:33,400 I think that, you know, that skill will just pop up in me and 436 00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,040 they can use it and they can try to make them hurt and and I will 437 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,720 definitely like fight for the win. 438 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:47,520 But early on, like from 20 miles, that's when the big moves 439 00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:49,640 start. So you just basically you just 440 00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,480 need to hang in there until the finish. 441 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,920 Yeah. This episode of the City Smack 442 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:59,520 podcast is supported by Wahoo. 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The runner's soda, like in 522 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,000 retrospect, like you finish 5th place. 523 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,920 And from what I've kind of heard, because we watch mostly 524 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,640 John on TV, but it seemed like once the breakaway happened, 525 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,680 like a lot of the places were decided right, Like and it 526 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,120 wasn't really like a whole bunch of catching people in movement. 527 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:38,040 I guess that was more for 6th through like 14th place where 528 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,560 like a lot of those people ended up being bunched together. 529 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,760 What was it like? I guess 5th through I guess 5th 530 00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,760 and 4th, maybe we're up for grabs. 531 00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,040 Like what? What was sort of when the when 532 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:49,760 John takes off and the cameras follow him? 533 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,080 What was happening on your side of things that we didn't get to 534 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,440 see? When John took off, that was 535 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,400 before the heartbreak, hell, right? 536 00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:00,440 Like maybe 2 miles before, even, like he took off before 30K, 537 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,120 right? At that point, we were three of 538 00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:09,960 us that were pushing to, to follow John, like Benson and 539 00:34:10,199 --> 00:34:13,440 Sambo and me. I was, I was with them at that 540 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,239 point. I was like, we're three of us 541 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:21,000 and the, the 5th and the 6th, they were a few seconds behind. 542 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,280 So I was safe for three miles. I was like, oh man, I'm like, 543 00:34:25,639 --> 00:34:27,560 you know, I can, I can podium today. 544 00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:31,800 So that thought was short because right after the 545 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:37,440 heartbreak, hell the, you know, I, I found myself in the 4th 546 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:50,639 place and just maybe a mile or so I got passed by Kilimerium, 547 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:57,640 Kiros, Kiros and Tibelo, right? Tibelo, yeah, I got, I got 548 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,160 passed by Tibolo and they were flying. 549 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,160 So I was at that point I was like running 450. 550 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,720 They were flying and I was like, don't freak out. 551 00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:11,080 Just just stay, stay calm. And I, I knew I was running like 552 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,120 2-3 page at that point. So I was like, I just need to 553 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,240 like stay in control. I might catch them by the end. 554 00:35:18,240 --> 00:35:20,480 So I was not even like reacting to their moves. 555 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:26,920 And yeah, I think a mile or two I catch the ball and that was in 556 00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:33,280 5th place and 35 Ki was in like 5th place. 557 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:39,800 And from there I was, I can see, I can see, right. 558 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:44,200 Yeah, it was, it was like 10 seconds in front of me and man, 559 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:47,560 I'm telling you that 10 seconds didn't change because I'm 560 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,120 pushing to get to him. He's pushing to to go. 561 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,360 So it was a real fight. But you know, shout out to him. 562 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,640 He really pushed me to run that time for sure. 563 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,560 If you had an extra 400 meters you would have got him I think. 564 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,760 A lot of people said that. A lot of people said that 565 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:10,440 because I got close to him. But man, that last small hell 566 00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,960 before you turn to boy Boyston St. that got me. 567 00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:18,360 I was like, I slowed down a little bit there, but I catch up 568 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:23,000 again on the stretch. But yeah, as you said, maybe if 569 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:28,000 I had like another 400 mirrors, I think I can I can get there. 570 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,640 What was your fueling strategy in this one? 571 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,120 I, I keep seeing I, I, I opened up Twitter and I was like 572 00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,240 scrolling around and people are trying to figure out just like 573 00:36:35,240 --> 00:36:38,600 how much someone like John career fuels during this race, 574 00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,400 Like what's he taking? So that, that like, you know, 575 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,880 because everyone's trying to figure out up on like how many 576 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,920 carbs are being intake. But for you, I guess, like what 577 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,240 was your fueling strategy? Man, I'm I'm going to reveal the 578 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:52,040 secret today. Let's do it. 579 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:55,520 They're not drinking that much. That's that's, that's 580 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,400 surprising. But John, he's taking a sip or 581 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,720 two, one or two, and he threw his bottle away. 582 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:08,840 So I think, I think they're for me, I'm putting 320 Morton in 583 00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:15,000 like in two different bottles. So I'll say half of that like 584 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,560 160, I'll probably drink 50% of that. 585 00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:22,880 So that's what I'm drinking or a little bit over 50%. 586 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,640 Also like depends the weather. So when you see it, it's a 587 00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,280 little bit cold. I'm not worried about like 588 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:36,280 getting as much fluid in when it's, if it's warm and you I 589 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,760 will be losing a lot, so I'll try to drink more. 590 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:45,000 But in Boston this weekend, I was, I was just getting the 591 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:50,080 minimum right, like half of what I planned for, which for me was 592 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:57,120 3/24 times, which is what I think I got in me probably like 593 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:03,440 700 calories, like 700, yeah, 700 calories in the whole race. 594 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:08,960 And I think I'm, I'm the most people I was looking at, they 595 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,120 were not even getting half of what I was getting so. 596 00:38:11,720 --> 00:38:13,000 Of the guys who finished ahead of you. 597 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,280 Yeah, yeah, they're like 1 sip or two. 598 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,880 I still hold mine for a long time. 599 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,960 But I think yeah, when especially like at the end of 600 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:28,440 the race, you're just one or two and at 40 Ki don't think Kiros 601 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:34,760 and Kiros didn't take it. Vincent and I don't take the 602 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,600 ticket at 40K. So the the their last one was a 603 00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,600 35K. It's so impressive and, and, and 604 00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:42,400 it's, it's crazy how different everyone is. 605 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,800 What does it feel like then to look down at your watch, you 606 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,640 know, 3540K into the race and you see you're running 2O3 pace. 607 00:38:51,720 --> 00:38:55,600 You've never been in a race this far into a race with your legs 608 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,360 moving that fast and holding on to that pace. 609 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:00,720 Like how? Weird. 610 00:39:00,720 --> 00:39:04,720 Did that feel? Man, it's, it's that feeling 611 00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:09,840 where the body, because you know, this is, I run a lot of 612 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,880 marathons I think before, so I know the feeling. 613 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,400 So it's it's not, I feel like I'm not going to die really 614 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,720 badly at the end of the race, but it's still, it's still fast, 615 00:39:21,720 --> 00:39:24,320 as you said. So it's like you just go for it 616 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,720 and see what's going to happen. You know, in a reasonable like 617 00:39:28,720 --> 00:39:32,200 think you're you're not I'm not going to surge or I'm I'm still 618 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:36,480 like going to city pace. I'm still listening to my body. 619 00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,600 But as you said, we were going fast. 620 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,080 So I have no idea what's going to happen in the last two miles. 621 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,800 It's like it's like I might die or I might finish strong. 622 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,840 And luckily I finished strong in this race, but I think I also, I 623 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:56,280 think I I did also smart decisions because heartbreak 624 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,320 hell, I let them go. I didn't want to keep pushing 625 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,520 with them at that point because yeah, at that point I was like, 626 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:09,240 I don't know what to expect, but like I can save more for last 627 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,280 three months. And when Tibaldo and Kiros 628 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,880 passed me, I let them go as well because I was like, this is 629 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,200 reasonable pace. So I was not. 630 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:25,520 I was not being like stupid. I'm trying just to push the pace 631 00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:28,080 as much. So I was, I was in control 632 00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,160 somehow somewhat, you know, and it worked out. 633 00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,040 Yeah, by the last three miles I still felt strong. 634 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,760 The other thing that so many people have gravitated towards 635 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:43,360 is the fact that you ran this fast while wearing glasses. 636 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,680 This is the story, so this is the story. 637 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:54,000 So I have a brand they send me like very nice glasses and you 638 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:58,840 can also record with them and it took 10 days. 639 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:02,520 So I traveled before I received them right. 640 00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:07,320 Also, I have my just sunglasses so I wear my sunglasses have 641 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:12,360 prescription so I have to wear the insert and I brought my 642 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:17,760 sunglasses and right before the start I'm looking at the box of 643 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,880 the sunglasses and there's no insert. 644 00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:25,680 And the doctor definitely told me that I can't run without the 645 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:30,800 glasses because you can feel a little bit dizzy and it can 646 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,640 affect your speed. So if you're wearing 647 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,280 prescription, it's better for you to run with them so you can 648 00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,640 like if you feel a little bit like you might get some 649 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,440 dizziness by the end or something. 650 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,160 So I definitely don't want to run without glasses because my 651 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:54,120 prescription so I can see well, but I can, you know, not not as 652 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,800 clear. So I still need to wear glasses. 653 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,840 But yeah. So 2 plans that didn't work out 654 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:05,480 so my nice glasses didn't receive them in time and the one 655 00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,920 I still I I did have. So I end up wearing my glasses. 656 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,680 Normal glasses they wear, yeah. Do you wear, did you wear those 657 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,640 at any point in training the the ones you have on right now? 658 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,760 Yeah, yeah, I always wear them in training. 659 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,160 So you knew they. Weren't going to fog up or slip 660 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,200 or anything like that. No, no, I tried them so many 661 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,280 times and I know they're they're solid. 662 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,080 Yeah. They just stay in in the face. 663 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,840 They don't move. So you're good. 664 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,840 OK, SO2O345 with glasses. If you hadn't run in the glasses 665 00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,800 and would have had to run blind, what would it have been? 666 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:48,080 I think wars if I if I took the glasses off and probably going 667 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,760 to get dizzy by the end and not run fast. 668 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:54,840 So I think definitely planning for nice shades for next time 669 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,280 now. I don't know man, I think 670 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,560 everyone loved these and now you got to just make them your 671 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,320 signature look and and have to wear those. 672 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,240 Yeah, the the guy with glasses that would be. 673 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,320 Well, we were trying to look it up to see if this is a, if that 674 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:15,160 was a world record with glasses. And I think it is because Anmol 675 00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:21,240 Petros, he ran, he ran 1/2 marathon like 59 something with 676 00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,840 regular glasses. But for his marathon where he 677 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,480 ran crazy fast in Berlin, the photos I looked up, he wasn't 678 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,240 wearing glasses. So congratulations, I think you 679 00:43:30,240 --> 00:43:32,240 just set the world record in glasses. 680 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:36,280 I will take it. I will take it and update my bio 681 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,680 like yeah, fastest man with glasses, Fastest marathon man 682 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,800 with glasses. Two O 458 was Ryan Hall's time 683 00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:50,400 that it stood for 15 years. Like as you're running this race 684 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,360 or even beforehand, like how? Where were you of that time? 685 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,840 As I said, my mind was all set for the competition that I 686 00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:04,000 really did not did not really trying to break his record. 687 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,560 I was just wanted to run now to place as high as possible. 688 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:16,840 And yeah, so Ryan, we didn't after the race, but he he sent 689 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,400 me a text and like an audio voice and he said 690 00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:24,240 congratulations. And yeah, he, we spoke so many 691 00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:29,640 times and I think like 4 years ago he was, he was definitely 692 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:34,320 telling me that you can run 25I had two eight at the time, my 693 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,120 first marathon and he was like, why you can run 25? 694 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,920 It's like it's not hard. You just need to train. 695 00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,680 And I think yeah, for, for Ryan, he's very positive guy. 696 00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,760 You can, you know, you can get like get a lot of inspiration 697 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:53,600 from him when he talks for sure. Five Americans under 2O6 on the 698 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,920 same day, what does that say to you, I guess about, you know, 699 00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,840 American distance running and where it's at. 700 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,920 And I mean, I keep saying it's not too early to get excited 701 00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,640 about the 2028 US Olympic Marathon Trials. 702 00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:10,440 Yeah, man, right now it's it's incredible. 703 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,680 I feel like I love that I run two or three. 704 00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:20,480 And they know, you know, so many, you know, like like 705 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:28,800 Clayton, Ryan, Joe, you know, Charles, Charles, they're right 706 00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,440 behind me. You know, not including like 707 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:36,960 Connor Mance, who's also like in, you know, he just, you know, 708 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,040 has slight injury. He didn't want to risk it. 709 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:42,360 So he's going to get back and I'm, I'm 100% sure and he's 710 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,200 going to get back to even higher level. 711 00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,400 So I think the competition is right there. 712 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:52,600 And I think you can't really get to a high level without 713 00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,560 competition because if, if you're the number one and 714 00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,400 there's no competition, you're, you're not going to push as much 715 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:04,000 or you're not going to, you know, try to like develop 716 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,480 yourself. So I think I love this 717 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,640 competition. And they think even I run 2-3, I 718 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:16,880 still like, wanna stay there and make sure I'm fit the, where 719 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:20,040 the, you know, the day where it matters most, which is the 720 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:24,760 trials. And, and, but I also, that's 721 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,440 what different from a little bit different for me is like, hey, 722 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:34,000 at this point, we're not going to just dream for I just want to 723 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,600 make the Olympics. I don't, I did not like it where 724 00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:39,800 you go to the Olympics and you're not competing. 725 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:43,320 I think that's, that's something I don't want to do if I just 726 00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:44,760 don't want to be called The Olympian. 727 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:50,160 I think I want to be in that level where I qualify, but when 728 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:54,720 I go to the Olympics, at that point I have to have a really 729 00:46:54,720 --> 00:46:59,400 close time to the favorite where I'm there as well as a favorite 730 00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:04,280 to win, you know, like or at least get close to that podium. 731 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:10,600 So I think we have enough time right now where we can bail for 732 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:13,520 this. So if trials worked out and I 733 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:18,200 mean the team, the next, the next step is not far. 734 00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:21,440 It's right there as well as like close to the dream again for the 735 00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:26,960 Olympics and everything is possible as as as long as we're 736 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:30,120 healthy and and we're training hard, I think. 737 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,160 Yeah. What is going to be the most 738 00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,600 important thing for you and your development as a marathoner? 739 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,360 Because at this point you have really good experience and you 740 00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,840 also have good racing instinct. We see that in Boston. 741 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:48,720 And so it's like over the next year and a half, you have a 742 00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:52,160 couple choices to make. Like you could try and go run a 743 00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:55,000 fast time on a flat course, or you could choose to go to 744 00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,600 another tactical marathon without pacemakers to just 745 00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,800 continue getting those reps at competing. 746 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,280 Like where, where do you sort of lean right now as to what you 747 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,040 want to try and achieve over your next couple marathons? 748 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,360 Because you really have, what, two more marathons before the 749 00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,840 trials, maybe? Yeah, I think, I think the plan 750 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,160 to be honest is going back and analyze my training. 751 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:26,400 I just did back-to-back racing, not really like enough time 752 00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:33,760 where you can do a long build where you maximize your ability, 753 00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,400 you know, So if there's difference between you train in 754 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,640 a high volume and you stay in a high volume for a long time, 755 00:48:41,240 --> 00:48:45,600 then you raise you, you, you bring your mileage down, then 756 00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:50,440 up, then down. That's for a for a good 757 00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,000 development. You need like a long belt and 758 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,680 you stay in that. And I saw like John career. 759 00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:04,080 He he, that's what changed him long bills, like 4-5 months high 760 00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:06,640 mileage. I think I'm lacking that. 761 00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:11,560 I never my highest mileage was like 130, but it's not like 762 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:16,640 regular 130, you know, So I want to see where my body can take me 763 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:22,120 in the next few, you know, next few bills, try to like maximize 764 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:28,800 the mileage, the workouts, long build and and see how my body 765 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,640 will react with all that. But I definitely have room to 766 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,040 improve. So I want to use that and get 767 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:35,920 other feedbacks. Yeah. 768 00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:40,680 So that's so interesting because when we hear like John's running 769 00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:46,960 160 miles a week and even before Calvin Kipten died, like there 770 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:50,440 was talk that he was running 170 and that kind of stuff. 771 00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,440 The guys in your group right now, like they've got obviously 772 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,800 lots of friends and family who are still in Kenya who here just 773 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,320 sort of like guys training like that and at that level, 774 00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,320 Americans here 160 and they think, Oh my gosh, that's going 775 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,360 to be that's, that's crazy. Like how do you, how do you 776 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:13,000 still have energy? So with you, I guess sitting in 777 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,880 your seat and absorbing all of this information like. 778 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,480 How does that? Work and like what are sort of 779 00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:22,240 the benefits you think that if you started to adapt to that 780 00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:26,120 training where you start to take steps to get to 150 or whatever 781 00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,080 it is, like what, what are some of the benefits you think you'll 782 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,520 see? So huge, huge benefit. 783 00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:38,520 But the way I see it is mileage equal or you have to bring up 784 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:42,440 the recovery, right? So if your lifestyle does not 785 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:49,680 match that you need to find like a medium like where your your 786 00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,280 recovery is matching your mileage so you won't get injured 787 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:55,400 or like fatigue or something like that. 788 00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,680 So my plan is to maximize my recovery moving forward. 789 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:06,400 Like I couldn't do that with my son is 13 month and I had to 790 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:09,400 deal with a lot of things. You know, we had so many 791 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,200 appointments we had, you know, you except at night. 792 00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:19,480 There's a lot of things that if I was doing high mileage and not 793 00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:25,360 getting enough sleep or have to drive back and forth to places 794 00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:30,240 and it would be tough. So now we're building a system. 795 00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:34,080 So we're I'm sitting with like some smart people, we're trying 796 00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,160 to build like a system where basically we're going to invest 797 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,720 in things, right? Like we invest in like more 798 00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:46,840 recovery, but we invest in like, you know, for example, you know, 799 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,040 my son is growing now we can like, you know, use be visiting 800 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:53,440 more, right? We can do like massages, like 801 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,000 instead of me going to a massage service, they can come to me and 802 00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:01,840 me maximizing those small things like food wise, I can, you know, 803 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:05,600 try to like not be in the kitchen cooking for a long time 804 00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,560 or anything. So trying to like check the 805 00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:12,880 boxes. Then you, what you're left with 806 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:18,280 is I'm going to run a lot in the morning, take a nap, run again 807 00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:22,960 in the evening and repeat morning, evening and, and you 808 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:26,600 basically have a system where if something come up on your way, 809 00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:31,280 you have people to help you out. And I think that's what I'm 810 00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,840 building now. I was not able to do it before, 811 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:39,600 but now I think as the trials coming up, I think we can we can 812 00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,320 get something. And I was I was talking with 813 00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:47,600 John, John career coach, and he told me he's he might come to 814 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:52,440 Colorado Springs this summer. He came two years ago and last 815 00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,400 year he went to Flagstaff and this year he's thinking to come 816 00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,280 here. So I was like, yeah, that was 817 00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:58,680 that. That's going to be great because 818 00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,480 if you have the best in the world right now, can train with 819 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:05,200 you is like, that would be awesome. 820 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:10,120 I can, you know, get his brain as well, like see how he, you 821 00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:16,320 know, he trains and just try to like stay with him as much as 822 00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,760 possible and see where where that can take us. 823 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:24,200 But yeah, I think there is a lot of room to improve for sure. 824 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:30,840 And I got a lot of inspiration from this past weekend and yeah, 825 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,000 just need to get back to work now. 826 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,200 Yeah. So then when you describe just 827 00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:39,440 sort of like everything it takes to up maximize that recovery, it 828 00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,920 does seem so much easier when you paint the pictures like 829 00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:45,840 that's your life in America is just so much more busier with 830 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,680 the kid with everything you've got going on versus that's why 831 00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:52,600 in Kenya they have these camps where it's just sort of you get 832 00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:55,720 up, you leave the camp, you go run, you come back, someone's 833 00:53:55,720 --> 00:53:59,800 make made the food already, you eat, you go nap, then you go run 834 00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,800 again. And then it's just sort of like 835 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,640 that's all they do. And so it's so much easier to 836 00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:09,000 hit sort of that 100 and 6000 and 50 miles a week when yeah, 837 00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:11,600 you don't have to worry about do we get a babysitter? 838 00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,480 I got to run to this appointment, that appointment. 839 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,960 But no, it's it's very cool to hear that you're already sort of 840 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:22,120 setting those wheels in motion to try and test that to level up 841 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,360 and, you know, ahead of one of your upcoming races. 842 00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:27,800 But yeah, so how's the body feeling? 843 00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,440 I think after this Boston, I saw the video of Clayton trying to 844 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,280 go for a run and he could barely walk. 845 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,640 I was talking to some other folks who were also saying their 846 00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,800 quads were absolutely shot. But how are you feeling? 847 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:46,080 For me now I can't go down the stairs normal. 848 00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:51,800 I have to like go lateral like it's it's I'm beating like my 849 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:56,000 muscles like I'm especially my quad or are hurting right now. 850 00:54:56,600 --> 00:55:01,320 But yeah, I have no desire to go for a jog or whatever. 851 00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:05,720 I was just going to take day off and let the body recover for 852 00:55:05,720 --> 00:55:09,680 now. After the race, like I guess you 853 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,520 posted on your Instagram that you got a ton of followers like 854 00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,880 from this performance, right? Like they were just flooding in. 855 00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,680 Everyone sees the time, I guess like what what is sort of like 856 00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,000 the reception sort of been because you know, I do you know, 857 00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,520 we posted about you. It got a ton of likes. 858 00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,000 And then there's still some sort of comments here and there where 859 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,560 it's sort of like he's not an American or like he's. 860 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,440 And you know, we deleted a couple of them because I was 861 00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,960 like, no, this is like so absurd and like kind of like really 862 00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,200 wrong, I think in some of the things that people say. 863 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:48,640 But overall, this puts you on the map to an American audience. 864 00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,120 Sure, you won Houston, but this was the Boston Marathon and you 865 00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,160 were the top American there for the first time. 866 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,840 And I feel like now there's this bigger awareness of you and your 867 00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,840 story. When we did our podcast in 868 00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,040 January, you shared so much more of that. 869 00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,040 And I feel like over the next couple months, like I just hope 870 00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:07,040 that there's more people who are attuned to that as to just sort 871 00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,400 of the reasons why you've chosen to represent the United States 872 00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,480 and what this country like really does mean to you. 873 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,120 So I guess like how much of it was a mix? 874 00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:17,480 We're sort of like, you know, you obviously I think had a 875 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,560 majority of people embracing you and this performance, but I 876 00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,640 always just hate when sort of like there is like that little 877 00:56:24,640 --> 00:56:27,160 tiny percentage of people who do say things that sting. 878 00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:30,800 Yeah, that's it. I'm like, if there's a small 879 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,120 percentage you, you definitely, I'm definitely not focusing on a 880 00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:37,880 small percentage. I what I see in front of me is 881 00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,440 right after race, people stopping me, taking picture, 882 00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:44,560 talking to me. Congrats me. 883 00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,760 I was at the airport. Like really? 884 00:56:46,760 --> 00:56:50,440 People like come to me. I was sitting in my chair. 885 00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:54,600 People come to me to like take pictures and say good things. 886 00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:58,280 And I was in the plane, even in the plane, like I meet some 887 00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,200 great people, like, like introducing themselves and 888 00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:08,160 taking pictures. But yeah, I, it's going to be 889 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,560 there all the time. I will be aware of like there's 890 00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:17,000 some people definitely going to be, you know, just don't, 891 00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:21,520 they're not going to like the, the fact that, you know, I was 892 00:57:21,520 --> 00:57:23,440 born in Morocco, I grew up in Morocco. 893 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,880 I came here. But this life, you know, you 894 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:30,560 can, you know, back in time, it was normal. 895 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:35,040 You know, you go to the, you know, United States, it's it's 896 00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:39,200 like it's a land of immigrants. People come here for better 897 00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:45,320 opportunities and the the one like bury themselves and they 898 00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:51,200 end up like marrying get kids and those kids, they grow up. 899 00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:55,560 Then they think where, you know, people get where their parents 900 00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,480 come from or I just you know, I'm never going to forget where 901 00:57:58,480 --> 00:58:01,640 I come from. But I don't want my son, you 902 00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:06,240 know, to like give a comment. He bought he was born. 903 00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:07,960 He's born here. He's going to grow up. 904 00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,400 I want him to like, see, he's going to be in sport. 905 00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,000 I don't want him to run with someone and be like, Oh yeah, 906 00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,640 someone from this country or someone who did. 907 00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,880 I think it's based on the person. 908 00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:23,840 Not like you can't just say, you know, because I'm telling you 909 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:30,160 like the most awesome people or like nicest people I met, they 910 00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,080 were American from here, you know, from the United States. 911 00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:37,120 I know how a great people are here. 912 00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:41,520 So if one or two or even like doesn't say something, I'll 913 00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,160 definitely don't don't like focus on that. 914 00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:50,360 I want to focus on on more the positive side or making a big 915 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:55,440 impact in sport in, you know, like just, you know, like 916 00:58:55,600 --> 00:59:00,440 marathon sports in in America and they think that's my goal 917 00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:04,640 and I'm using a lot of tools to inspire others. 918 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,720 You know, like I recently like have a YouTube channel where I 919 00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:12,200 post a lot my Instagram. So that's, I feel like that's 920 00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,800 the side that I want to, you know, focus on. 921 00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:20,320 If I have some, you know, some critiques that can help me 922 00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:24,400 devolve myself, I will take it. But if something that just, you 923 00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:27,920 know, racism comments or something, I'm not, I'm not 924 00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,840 going to care about that. It's it's like, you know, some 925 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:36,000 people, they can't achieve anything even they have the 926 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,960 opportunity. And when they can do that, they 927 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:43,360 will blame, you know, everyone else for not achieving that. 928 00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:45,640 Yeah. I always think back sort of like 929 00:59:46,200 --> 00:59:49,120 MEB had those moments, sort of like when he won an Olympic 930 00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,600 medal, that wasn't enough for some people. 931 00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,680 When he won New York City, that wasn't enough for some people. 932 00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:58,640 And through it all, he just continued to, you know, 933 00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,960 represent America at its finest stages. 934 01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:06,320 And I also think yet just sort of like, like you said, it just 935 01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,040 it's always it always goes back to the person. 936 01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,120 If the person continues to, you know, carry themselves well, 937 01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,080 eventually everyone comes around and. 938 01:00:15,000 --> 01:00:17,880 I don't think there's a soul out there now that doesn't, you 939 01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,000 know, appreciate and love what MEB does. 940 01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:23,040 And so with Someone Like You whose story might be so new to 941 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,680 some people, eventually they'll come to see just sort of the 942 01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,720 person that we've all just started to familiarize ourselves 943 01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,280 with. And so it's really cool to see, 944 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,400 I guess, that more people are embracing you. 945 01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:37,600 So one thing was that you ended your Instagram post that you had 946 01:00:37,600 --> 01:00:39,240 up with. Keep believing in yourself and 947 01:00:39,240 --> 01:00:41,240 keep showing up. Nothing can stop you but your 948 01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,400 own mind. Why was that sort of like the 949 01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:45,920 way that you wanted to, you know, end sort of like this 950 01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:49,440 reflection on this experience? I, I feel like that's how a, 951 01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:54,360 that's how most people or me, like if you came to me like 10 952 01:00:54,360 --> 01:00:58,680 years ago or like even five years ago, I have so much 953 01:00:58,680 --> 01:01:04,040 limitation in my mind. I, I feel like certain levels 954 01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:10,680 are just associated with certain countries or certain groups or 955 01:01:10,680 --> 01:01:17,520 certain certain areas. I feel like that's just in mind, 956 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,280 right? Like you just, you just like 957 01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:24,440 stop your mind of dreaming bigger and put a plan of course 958 01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,600 and train hard. That's all need to be in place. 959 01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,880 But the mind is the most important thing that you can 960 01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:35,840 control by yourself, right? It's, I think that's when I run 961 01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:40,680 2-3 and you come, if you come to me 10 years ago and you run 2-3 962 01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:44,560 in Boston and I'm like, there is no way, you know, I can do that. 963 01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,600 And they feel like that's, that's the power of the mind. 964 01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:53,040 And I just want to tell other people that if I can do it 965 01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:57,200 right, I think you can do it. Especially like I always like to 966 01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,640 talk to me when I was young, right? 967 01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,440 I, I, I received that like a lot. 968 01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,480 It's like I want to inspire like young generation. 969 01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,840 They look at me, you know, I'm 31, right? 970 01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,680 You can say I just need to like if I'm 20 and they didn't 971 01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,880 receive my goal, it's not the end of the world. 972 01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:18,640 I can just keep training at certain age. 973 01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:24,720 I can get to a certain times and it's unfortunate how a lot of, 974 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:30,120 you know, just media or people like if you have one bed raise 975 01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:35,680 or one thing, you just just put A tag on you where that's your 976 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,120 level, right? You never going to you never 977 01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,520 going to get to that level. I felt like, and if you ignore 978 01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:46,520 those people and you by yourself saying that I can, I can achieve 979 01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:50,040 that time. I think it's a matter of time 980 01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:53,960 and knowledge as well, like just, you know, doing more 981 01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:56,680 research to see what's going to work for you and try a lot of 982 01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:00,680 different things. And yeah, and just stay present 983 01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:04,400 in the moment and give 100% think you can get there. 984 01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,760 Well, Zoo here, you know that since February 2021 at the 985 01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:11,880 Trials of Miles, Texas qualifier, City of Smack has 986 01:03:11,880 --> 01:03:15,520 been big fans of you. So you've always got us in in 987 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,760 your corner. And this past weekend was so 988 01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:22,400 cool to see just sort of that whole development over time 989 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,600 compiled into such a special performance at the Boston 990 01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,160 Marathon. So once again, congratulations 991 01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,920 and thanks again for for taking the time to reflect on such an 992 01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:33,800 awesome performance with me. Thank you. 993 01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:37,440 Thank you for having me. And I know that I know you're, 994 01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,400 you're always, you know, behind me. 995 01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:44,760 And I appreciate that. All right, that's a wrap on 996 01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:47,000 today's episode. Thanks for listening, for the 997 01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:50,000 time, the curiosity, and for making this show part of your 998 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,080 routine or your run. 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