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All right, it is August 18th. 
I'm Chris Chavez. 

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I'm Kyle Merber. 
And this week in track and 

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field, we are recapping some of 
the biggest performances that 

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took place at the European 
Championships, including an epic

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women's 800 that lived up to the
hype. 

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We saw some of the best in the 
world get lapped in a men's 10K.

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Georgia Hunter Bell added yet 
another international gold medal

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to her collection this year. 
Amy Hunt swept 4 gold medals in 

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Birmingham. 
And then we also got the news 

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that we have another trip to 
Eugene on the horizon in 2028 as

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the US Olympic Trials have been 
awarded to Hayward Field for the

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6th time. 
And then last but not least, the

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Josh Kerr Jakob Ingebrigtsen 
beef is alive and well and will 

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unpack Jakob's latest comments 
saying that athletes who skipped

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championships are ruining the 
sport. 

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And we know just exactly who 
that was directed at. 

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But I guess let's just catch up 
a little bit, Kyle, because it's

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been a while since you've been 
on the podcast with me. 

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Last week we dropped the episode
with you and coach Galen Rupp. 

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What's been sort of the reaction
from it? 

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I feel like you've picked up a 
couple Strava followers. 

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I've picked up more than a 
couple Strava followers. 

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People want to see what Galen 
would do with a a mediocre, 

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washed up runner and they're 
going to find out. 

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It's been fun. 
I mean, people have been like, 

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I've never heard Galen talk for 
this long and this in depth. 

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And so that was like the entire 
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would be fun to do. 
He's now 40 and has lots of 

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experience in the marathon, and 
we've never heard enough of it. 

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So, yeah, again, like the thing 
that's just really fun for me is

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I don't, I don't think I was 
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it. 
Yeah, I you. 

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You shared one of the text 
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me and it was paragraphs long 
about just kind of think he was 

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kind of unpacking a couple weeks
of training, but it was like 

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well thought out and explained 
like what he's got you doing. 

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No, he's, he's fully in, so I've
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fully commit and do my best, 
but. 

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Now, what's the extent of the 
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Like are you texting him after 
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like this one really sucked or 
like are you just a one text a 

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week? 
Like you don't want to just come

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off too strong. 
I mean, we're not even 2 weeks 

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in yet, so it's mainly before 
the workout, make sure I have an

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understanding or if I'm thinking
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or whatever. 
And then afterwards I just let 

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him know how it goes. 
But yeah, I don't want to. 

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You can't go seven days a week. 
No, he's going to be like, I'm 

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not paying him. 
Yeah. 

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He's doing it ad hoc, pro bono, 
and so yeah, we're having fun 

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with it. 
Now is he, does he feel like a 

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blend of old school and new 
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Because like he, he does 
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the sport And like there's 
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feel like you're just like, oh, 
like this sounds like what I 

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used to do. 
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it that are probably like, oh, 
this is the the, the trendy side

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of things that is seeping into 
his philosophy. 

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He's definitely got some old 
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I mean, he's like giving me the 
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like just like make it hurt, 
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Which I feel like it's a very 
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like hammer yourself into shape.
But then he also like, I think 

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some of the most fun tidbits 
from the podcast were like 

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insight into things that he's 
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So he was describing like before
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he threw wooden planks 
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could run downhill. 
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marathons, he just like went to 
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as his as his fuel. 
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you're, you know, kind of get 
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quite blue collar at the end of 
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Like it is, you got to run a 
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lot. 
So yeah, it's been fun. 

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First time that anyone who owns 
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their living room set to 
altitude has ever been called 

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blue collar. 
Hey, look, gotta do the work. 

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But yeah, it's been fun. 
We'll we'll see how it goes. 

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A little bit of pressure now to 
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Yeah, now my hair is wet because
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shower right before this 
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So I'm like on the fence right 
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to put in a hard effort for a 
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Also just listening to that 
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fired up. 
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I'm doing all this training in 
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get try and go for PR at some 
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So I am signed up for the wine 
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just exactly how strong that 
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They're very nicely provided a 
bib and we'll, I don't know, 

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'cause running, you know, the 
the word is out. 

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Eric announced it on Off the 
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We are running the New York City
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So you're doubling back after 
Chicago, but this one's more for

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fun and. 
We'll enjoy it. 

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I think so, yeah. 
It's the I'm a because of 

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writing the book, I'm more of a 
history buff. 

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Like I want to appreciate like 
being at all 5 boroughs. 

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This is the 50th anniversary of 
the five borough course and so 

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I'll be the annoying one in the 
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people like, oh, this is when 
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this is different from 50 years 
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time. 
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What that's that's when I'm 
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As soon as you start going into 
tour guide mode, I'll be like, 

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all right, if Chris. 
Go on. 

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But as when we get closer, 
we'll, we'll spread the word a 

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little bit. 
If people are interested in 

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joining the CITIUS MAG party 
pack, I think that's what I've, 

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I've been calling it because 
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try and, you know, celebrate and
party for 26.2 miles. 

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So it should be a good time. 
Stop doing your. 

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Stop trying to do your long run 
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Know that cost me last week but 
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me and I got out there early so 
I'm in I'm in a no win situation

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here but anyway, all right let's
dive into some of the action 

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that took place over the past 
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I want to start with obviously 
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race that was the most 
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championships last week. 
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but it was really everyone fired
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you had Audrey Werro versus 
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time I think since Stockholm and
Werro beats Hodgkinson and to 

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win her first major title 
running 15481, took it to the 

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front and then just like never 
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Keely fought pretty damn hard, 
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under the previous European 
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And then he also had Femke Bol 
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155.54 for bronze in her first 
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No one else was within 3 seconds
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Keely, I think took it to the 
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first bend, but then Werro went 
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They went through the 1st lap, 
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with a 29, two through 600. 
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a gap off the final turn. 
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because in your head you're 
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But Audrey just asserted herself
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And the the big thing is, is I 
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Wearo. 
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made any sort of mistakes. 
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She just happened to run into 
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which has been the the case in 
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And we're just really lucky to 
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meter running because now, I 
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what's coming up next. 
They're not shy to, you know, go

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up against one another. 
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that has come up between these 
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I. 
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the fact that the podium went 
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we would have determined, but by
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So I guess if you predicted that
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impressive because they are 
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of the field. 
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mean it was a tight race. 
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they were both sharing the lead 
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You know, I, it's funny 'cause I
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Keely just to say, all right, we
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her go, but we've seen Keely 
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entire 8 hundreds. 
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and I, I, it's amazing to me 
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veteran at 24 years old. 
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yeah, she's been doing this 
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I think she's meddled at every 
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the 2020 Olympics 20. 1212 
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you so this is global and 
international championships. 

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Yeah, so including Commonwealth 
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And so it's just like incredible
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she's been, especially because 
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the entire time, but she's found
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season, even when she has little
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It was awesome. 
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though, closing the gap. 
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developing here, obviously for 
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the next couple years. 
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Keely is obviously young and has
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It's like, how do you, if you're
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looking at this thinking where 
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In well, well, you know, I, I am
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has taken to this event and 
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she's going to be by the time LA
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But then I had to just remind 
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She's two years younger than 
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Femka, five years younger than 
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than Georgia Hunter Bell that, 
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excited by, you know, Femka's 
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in two years. 
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like, no, I'm not going away 
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She's gonna be 24 by the time LA
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Yeah, I and has now like broken 
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Four of the five fastest times 
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two sub 154 since the 1980s. 
Audrey, congratulations 15481 

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from the front. 
Was it always the plan to to 

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race the race like that? 
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to go in the front because that 
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strongest when I'm in the front 
of the race. 

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So yeah, decided to go in the 
front and to mark a strong pace 

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every 100 metres. 
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hard at the end to keep the 
pace. 

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But yeah, I still manage it and 
now I'm just really happy. 

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Yeah. 
And I mean, how did it feel to 

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to cross that finish line in 
first place and, and sort of, 

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you know, I'm guessing, you 
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your season's been building. 
Towards. 

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It was really a surprise 
because, yeah, I knew that I had

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the capacity to finish first, 
but with all the roller coaster 

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that happened in the last, yeah,
hours before the race, it was, 

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yeah, really a surprise for me 
to finally be at the end of my 

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championships and to finish with
the gold medal. 

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So yeah, I was just really just 
happy and surprised. 

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You didn't feel sore or anything
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Was no, I was good, just some 
scratch but nothing. 

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Yeah, serious. 
And yeah, I had also a good team

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around me and yeah, we did 
everything well and. 

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I was ready for the final. 
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Congratulations. 
Thank you. 

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Something that I think was just 
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like all three of the top 
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like thrill just be part like 
they recognize it. 

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I think Keely was probably just 
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because she assumed that she was
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day. 
And then where I had clearly, 

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you know, levelled up. 
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just enjoying it seems like. 
They're not scared to race each 

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other. 
They're not scared to send it 

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a race and no one wants to go. 
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I think like we're going to see 
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of them for a long time. 
And thank God the the average 

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British person is not in charge 
of determining who makes it into

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the final after getting tripped,
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this match. 
Yeah, OK. 

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I did want to address 2 sort of 
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critics that took place over the
weekend. 

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So the first one is the people 
who didn't believe where I 

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should have been in the final 
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obviously where it was clipped 
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Thursday's semis. 
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there's a Zapruder film out 
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where oh tripped herself. 
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equivalent of people reviewing 
the JFK shooting and officials 

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decided to advance where to the 
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A lot of people argued that she 
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Hodgkinson and Femka had to run 
157. 

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she went down hard, hit the rail
and you could see her on the 

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broadcast. 
She was limping a little bit 

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afterwards. 
And so it's not that she just 

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got like a walked it in and was 
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That was a hard this is. 
This is the problem, like we all

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want the sport to be more 
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it is very popular. 
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who don't fully understand how 
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their opinions and man, you 
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track and who just was there to 
root for. 

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Keely Hodgkinson. 
These. 

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People would have wanted Abby 
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5000 meter heat. 
It's so obviously a reason to 

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advance an athlete when you get 
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Now look, that doesn't mean that
Audrey Werro doesn't have a very

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long history of falling in 
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That dates back well into her 

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junior career. 
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has such a long stride, and 
probably 1 of the reasons why we

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see her lead races all the time.
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if you had to choose between 
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running 157 to advance the 
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be like, yeah, I'll just run 
157. 

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That seems a lot easier than 
eating the track. 

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Yeah. 
So a ridiculous like what should

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be praised as inability to 
bounce back from like a probably

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a stressful and painful event 
being held against her by a 

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certain population is is a 
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All right, so the other online 
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have turned against Keeley 
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Like what what have you made of 
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Is it just sort of like, like 
just this thought of because she

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was so good during the indoor 
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champion, that people just kind 
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and all these wins would come to
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But now there's just been like a
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just so weird. 
Like some there. 

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The Keely haters are out. 
I think there's a few things at 

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play. 1 is when someone's been 
good for a really long time, you

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got tired of seeing them run 
really well and you just want to

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see something else, right? 
Like that's I I'd wrote about 

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why it was fun, like rooting for
Jakob again, and it was because 

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he was so good for so long. 
It reminded me of when he was 

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really young and it was so 
exciting to see him like coming 

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up and we're obviously rooting 
for him all the time. 

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And then at some point, you're 
like, all right, well, he wins 

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everything. 
It'd be nice to see someone else

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win. 
And you're not that you're 

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rooting against him, but you're 
rooting for other people because

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it's like a more interesting 
story. 

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And so Keely's like in this part
of her career where she's just 

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so good that it's like 
interesting to see someone else 

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take a turn. 
So really, it's like a 

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compliment in some way. 
And then I also think there are 

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just such die hard Keely fans 
out there that people are not 

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rooting against Keely. 
Keely's great and she is humble 

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in defeat. 
She says the right thing. 

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She brings a lot of personality.
Like she's super talented. 

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We like Keely, but I think 
there's a lot of Keely fans that

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are like crowning her before the
race. 

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And then when you're accusing 
Audrey of having like an 

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advantage because she fell, it's
like, all right, there's 

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probably a population people 
rooting against Keely fans, not 

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Keely herself. 
Yeah. 

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I need to get selfie lights. 
Keely, what will the overriding 

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emotions be from tonight? 
I think I've had a bit of time 

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to think about it. 
I think when you feel like 

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you've like not really put a 
foot wrong and it was a great 

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race and it was really close, I 
can't really be too 

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disappointed. 
I do think overall probably a 

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bit better than that like time 
wise or would you probably say 

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the same thing? 
But that's just how the race 

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went. 
If we were both really strong. 

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I thought till the end, I 
thought I was going to have it 

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in the last 50, but ultimately 
she just had more and that is 

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just that's it. 
How do you break down that race?

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What will the kind of the, 
what's the mindset going 

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through, you know, 400 metres 
into it, I. 

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Think what's really hard about 
the 8 is it's actually over so 

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quickly and you can go into it 
with your plan. 

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You can have 5 scenarios lined 
up for what could happen. 

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And you do have to like think on
your feet a little bit, 

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especially in that 1st 200 
meters. 

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And that is part of the art of 
learning the 800. 

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But yeah, I think it was a 
really honest race. 

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It was fairly quick through 4 
hundreds and obviously coming 

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off the third race in four days,
that's also another element to 

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it. 
But yeah, I would have loved 

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gold today. 
Didn't go my way but I did my 

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best. 
You obviously have the knee cut 

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situation before London. 
Do you feel like you're kind of 

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back to that? 
Shape that you were. 

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In Stockholm, in terms of the 
knees of feeling OK and you feel

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like I'm. 
Obviously fine, like healthy, 

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happy. 
I'm in shape of my life. 

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That's why I feel like I was a 
bit better than that today. 

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A bit disappointed they didn't 
come out, but yeah, there's not 

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really much I can do. 
I feel like I did my best. 

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I no issues going into it. 
Yeah. 

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And last one for me, that noise 
at the end in that last 100 

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meters was similar to what Josh 
experienced in London. 

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It it, it felt, it felt a bit 
like that. 

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What do you hear much of that 
when you're going? 

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Through I did hear the last 
hundreds and it definitely gave 

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me a little bit of boost and I 
really thought I was going to 

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have it, but no. 
Big thank you to everyone that 

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came out to support us. 
It was a great race and it it's 

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made even more fun and even 
better having a huge crowd like 

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that, so I appreciate myself. 
It's you're talking about the 

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crowd there and the support and 
running can be such like a 

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numbers based sport. 
How does this like race and this

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whole season feel for you as an 
athlete outside of that? 

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Because obviously it's maybe not
exactly. 

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What you wanted? 
But still, the races you've been

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running, have you've had some 
amazing. 

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Results this season, so how do 
you see the position you're in? 

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Yeah, I think overall I have had
a really good season. 

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Obviously I've met with a few 
challenges along the way, but I 

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think that's life. 
It doesn't always go exactly how

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you envisioned and I think it's 
how you bounce back from that. 

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You know, I'm blocking out the 
noise and just doing what you 

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can do, controlling what you can
control. 

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Definitely learnt a lot about 
myself this year and how to 

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manage all of that. 
But yeah, ultimately it's 

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another championship done, 
another medal after the 

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collection. 
I got to be proud of that and 

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yeah, I think as time goes on 
I'll feel better. 

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I can imagine the medal 
cabinet's. 

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Getting pretty heavy just now as
well. 

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I think that one in my 1414. 14.
But. 

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Yeah, overall, very happy with 
just one of. 

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It's all right, it's all right. 
Not satisfied, but you know, 

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we'll get there. 
Keely, sort of in that first 

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kind of couple 100 metres when 
Audrey kind of pulled up on your

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shoulder and you've kind of got 
to make a decision, do you let 

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her go or do you kind of fight 
her for the lead? 

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How do you kind of make that 
decision? 

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And kind of obviously you've had
that in a few races where, you 

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know, in championships where 
you've had to make that 

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decision. 
How do you kind of deal with 

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that? 
Because obviously that does have

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probably the biggest impact on 
the race. 

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Yeah, I think that's that's 
experience, that's learning the 

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event, that's knowing your 
strengths and what to do, trying

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to be as smooth as possible. 
She wanted to take it on as 

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happy to let her and just play 
to my strengths and control what

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I can control. 
But the thing about these races 

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and athletes is so close 
together, you really don't know 

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what's going to happen and 
that's what makes it exciting. 

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Do you think something or 
you're? 

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Your race today? 
Well, do you change something 

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with your race today? 
No. 

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Would you? 
What do you think I could? 

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Even better. 
No, I think I did everything I 

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could and I covered every move 
right. 

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And yeah, she's just very strong
today. 

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And in terms of the quality of 
the field with their lay of 

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mind, this could transcend this.
All right. 

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How good is this for athletics 
to have such a start feeling? 

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To be part of that, yeah, We've 
had it for a long, quite a few 

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years now. 
And when it's eight, to be 

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honest, like we've had people 
come and there's always been 

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someone new popping out every 
year and the depth's been really

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good. 
I mean, you've seen the depth 

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even in these European 
Championships, you know, through

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the rounds. 
So I think it's really great and

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it's going to just push on and 
hopefully the young boys and 

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girls watching will be inspired 
to come try it. 

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Championship records today. 
Anything world record before 

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before the end of the year? 
Guess we see. 

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Thanks. 
Guys, thanks. 

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This is a consequence of Twitter
just becoming a cesspool over 

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the last couple of years that I 
was just scrolling and I was 

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just like, so mind boggled by 
the reactions to where a winning

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or or or Hodgkinson losing, the 
many different ways that this 

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performance was framed. 
And I was just like, let's just 

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bring it back to a place of 
appreciation that like we get to

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watch like these three talented 
stars right now. 

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And now coming up will be the 
Zurich Diamond League on the on 

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the 27th where you have all 
three of them, you have Werro 

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Hodgkinson, Burger's bowl, and 
then you add in Georgia, Hunter 

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Bell and Lillian Odira. 
Whatever they're paying for that

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sort of match up is fantastic. 
And thank you to to those 

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organizers for making that one 
happen. 

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I think that there's a good 
portion of that group will also 

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run it back in Brussels and then
we'll have Budapest for the 

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World Ultimate Championship. 
So this is the year, honestly, I

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feel like of these for this 
event, are we gonna see the 

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world record fall? 
I don't like, I don't know, but 

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it's been regardless, it's just 
so fun to continue to see these 

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150 fours. 
Yeah, I think it could fall in 

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the next couple years. 
And one of the reasons why I 

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root for Femke when the three of
them line up is because I've 

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been noted on this podcast as 
saying I think she's going to 

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break the world record. 
So I root for Femke just to back

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myself up in the words I've 
said. 

448
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:14,960
All that to say is I just don't 
know if the record is there this

449
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,440
year. 
I mean, they had a run after 

450
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,920
three rounds, so it's not 
necessarily fair to do a 

451
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,680
comparison versus A1 off Diamond
League. 

452
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,880
It's been done before, but I 
don't know. 

453
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,680
It's just like a long season 
when you don't have like a 

454
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,160
specific peak. 
It's just kind of like you're 

455
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,120
racing whenever and we don't 
know at which point everyone is 

456
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:39,640
in their training. 
There's an argument to say that 

457
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,760
like maybe they're peaking for 
World Ultimates. 

458
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:46,000
Keely obviously like had some 
hiccups in the middle of the 

459
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,760
season that probably threw like 
her projected peak off a little 

460
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,360
bit. 
So maybe she comes on really 

461
00:25:50,360 --> 00:25:54,720
strong here at the end. 
But and Femka, you know, I would

462
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,920
love to see her mileage graph 
from this year versus last, so. 

463
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,080
One more thing on Femke 'cause 
we focused on the the top 2, but

464
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,520
so she ties Ella van Langan's 34
year old Dutch record from the 

465
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,840
1992 Olympic final. 
She was the only athlete in this

466
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:17,200
field to set a personal best. 
And the thing that I, I'm trying

467
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:22,240
to wrap my head if like this 
felt maybe like a little bit of 

468
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:27,200
a Diamond League type of race 
for her in the sense that she 

469
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:30,200
hasn't necessarily had to, she 
hasn't thrown herself into an 

470
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,480
800 yet where she's had to 
accelerate, decelerate, cover, 

471
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:38,480
move, get out of a bad box. 
And that's what you'll see in a 

472
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,080
more tactical championship 
final. 

473
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:46,320
Whereas in this one, it was just
like a Diamond League where you 

474
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,240
do have Werro and Hodgkinson 
still like ahead of you and you 

475
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,480
just can gauge off of their 
pace. 

476
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,280
And I think she did admit that 
she wishes that she was a little

477
00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:00,640
bit closer at 700 meters. 
But what is it that you want to 

478
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:06,760
see from Femke in these next 
couple races that hopefully, I 

479
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,440
mean, she's the she's right 
there. 

480
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,960
She has a real shot at 
Hodgkinson and where, oh, next 

481
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:14,360
season? 
But I'm trying to think if 

482
00:27:14,360 --> 00:27:17,600
there's a where, if there's a 
place where it's even closer by 

483
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,040
the end of this year in 
Budapest. 

484
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:25,080
Yeah, I think the yeah, it's 
just the nature of the event 

485
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,280
that right now it's being run 
fast. 

486
00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:31,840
You have two athletes who'd like
leading races the the front of 

487
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,160
the pack and because of that, 
they're just going to keep 

488
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,560
things honest. 
And so we were in that phase 

489
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,840
right now. 
So it's the idea of like 

490
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,120
throwing a many surges or a big 
negative split. 

491
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:46,120
It's not really necessary with 
Audrey and Keely the way that 

492
00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:48,920
they run. 
With that said, the thing that I

493
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,120
want to see out of Femka here at
the end of the season is I want 

494
00:27:51,120 --> 00:27:53,480
to see her make a move at some 
point. 

495
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,680
She's did try to swing wide. 
She's been riding the rail hard 

496
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:03,280
and finally like tried to move 
to the outside at one point at 

497
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,840
the end of the final, but had to
do like a step back to even be 

498
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:10,200
able to do it. 
And it was just too late. 

499
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,640
She didn't have the the last 
hundred. 

500
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,360
I just want to see her at like 
1:50 to go in one race. 

501
00:28:16,360 --> 00:28:19,800
Just be just absolutely send it.
Like I want to see her run a 

502
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,480
700, see if she could be in the 
lead at 700 and just see what 

503
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,200
happens the last 100. 
Like you shouldn't be scared 

504
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,160
anymore. 
You keep running 155. 

505
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,480
I feel like we'll get people who
comment saying like we just need

506
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,400
to see her pump her arms more 
and go, and we just need to 

507
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,000
maybe come to terms with the 
fact that her running form just 

508
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,080
doesn't visibly show strain. 
It's not the same. 

509
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,640
It's not that she's not trying, 
she clearly is. 

510
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,680
It just looks so different on 
her. 

511
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,640
Yeah, I mean, maybe she's saving
that for 2028, but she's. 

512
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,280
Like maybe this will be the year
I start pumping my arms at the 

513
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,840
end. 
At some point, I understand like

514
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,920
trying to correct high school 
athletes form at some point 

515
00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:05,120
after you have like a certain 
number of global metals, I think

516
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:07,640
like that ship has sailed. 
Like you're not changing your 

517
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,280
form in your mid 20s with any 
significant. 

518
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,600
Yeah, that's just not going to 
happen. 

519
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,480
Yeah, but it's exciting. 
And I don't know, like, I could 

520
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,120
see a world where she ends up 
better than third in one of 

521
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,840
these races coming up. 
Congratulations. 

522
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,800
Did you enjoy that out there? 
Yeah, definitely. 

523
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,520
I mean, the crowd was crazy 
loud. 

524
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,680
It was completely packed, and I 
had a lot of fun today. 

525
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,920
There was so much hype going 
into this race between all three

526
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,200
of you, you know, Audrey Keely 
and then yourself. 

527
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,640
Did you feel all of that coming 
into it as well? 

528
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,520
To be honest, I always delete 
social media, so a lot of hype I

529
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,000
often don't feel. 
But yeah, you knew it was a race

530
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,840
people were really looking 
forward to, especially Keeley 

531
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,560
being there, like she's from 
close to here. 

532
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,080
And of course, Audrey being in 
this amazing shape. 

533
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,760
And yeah, it was really cool to 
be also put with those other 

534
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,360
two. 
And I think it was an amazing 

535
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,680
race. 
I'm really happy I'm navigating 

536
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,640
those Keats semis and then find 
out that's something that's 

537
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,240
different for you in 800. 
How did you you find all of 

538
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,120
that? 
Yeah, it was something new. 

539
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:17,240
I think I learned a lot how to 
do this and how it works. 

540
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,920
And yeah, I really enjoyed it. 
I'm happy how my body was 

541
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,920
feeling today after running 28 
hundreds. 

542
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,800
I didn't know how it would be so
and then to run a nation record 

543
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:27,360
today, it shows that I recovered
well. 

544
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,120
Yeah. 
Thank you that you know, 34 year

545
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,960
old national record and you've 
managed to equal it. 

546
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,400
That must feel really good. 
Obviously it's special to equal 

547
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:36,840
it rather than to pass it 
almost. 

548
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,200
You can then do that another 
time. 

549
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,000
That must feel really cool. 
Yeah, definitely. 

550
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,880
And I mean, Ella Falung is 
really a legend. 

551
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,560
That national record is 
legendary, and I also have a lot

552
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,160
of contact with her. 
So actually I'm very proud that 

553
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:48,880
I equalled it, that we have it 
together. 

554
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,920
I sit somewhere else. 
I hope not for too long, but I'm

555
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,640
going to enjoy that we have it 
together right now. 

556
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:55,520
Yeah. 
And in that in the race, 

557
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,920
obviously, you know you, it felt
like you were closing towards 

558
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,240
the end on Keely. 
Like, did you feel like you had 

559
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,040
that extra gear in you that you 
were kind of able to push on in 

560
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,480
that last sort of 100? 
Well, I shouldn't have. 

561
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,680
I mean, I should stick with them
and be with them at 700 and then

562
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,080
see if I can change gears. 
I think that's if I made a 

563
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,560
mistake, that's it. 
I just tend to subconsciously 

564
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,720
protect myself a little bit, I 
think because 200 meters is 

565
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,560
still far for 400 former 400m 
runner. 

566
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,760
So I just tend to hold a little 
bit back. 

567
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,200
And then it's nice I come back 
the last 50, but it's just too 

568
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,800
late, especially with this high 
class field. 

569
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,480
So I'm very happy with today and
they're I'm not going to 

570
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,000
complain. 
I think it's nice that I'm 

571
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,240
getting stronger in the last 50.
If I look at the beginning of 

572
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:38,600
the year now, it's getting 
stronger. 

573
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,680
So that's very nice to see. 
You got a massive reception from

574
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:43,360
the crowd there as well. 
When you came out you got a 

575
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,800
really big cheer. 
It must be super cool being able

576
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,920
to see that sport behind you and
then also get a medal to back it

577
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,440
up. 
Yeah, definitely. 

578
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,040
I mean, I always, I love every 
crowd, but the British crowd is 

579
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,600
quite something else sometimes. 
They love the sport like they 

580
00:31:57,600 --> 00:31:59,760
love the athletes and it's 
always special to run here. 

581
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,800
That's also why I love always 
London Diamond League. 

582
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,120
So to have them behind me and 
then of course to be with 

583
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,640
Audrey, they are behind Audrey 
and of course they're behind 

584
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,440
Philly. 
I mean, who wouldn't be tonight 

585
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,640
in the stands? 
So yeah, it was really an 

586
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,120
electric feeling to run in this 
and. 

587
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,320
We spoke to you in London about 
how you always look quite 

588
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,480
relaxed, especially up until 600
you said. 

589
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,960
Did you feel quite relaxed 
through the 1st lap at least 

590
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,320
today? 
I had a bit of more people 

591
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:27,760
around me than I'm used to with 
their races, so I really try to 

592
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,120
stay relaxed. 
Even though you had a bit more 

593
00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:32,520
shoving and pushing. 
But yeah, I think so. 

594
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,400
I mean, I always look relaxed. 
It's like this. 

595
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,800
But I also really have a tough 
time sometimes. 

596
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,280
But yeah, I think it's OK. 
I just need to learn how to be 

597
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,000
active and relaxed, I think on 
the 800. 

598
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:46,320
Yeah, Overall, very happy. 
Yes, definitely. 

599
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:47,440
Thank you. 
Congratulations. 

600
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,320
Thank you. 
To think of what the podium 

601
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,200
could be when you do have that 
Zurich field, it's a little bit,

602
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,120
it's way more unpredictable I 
think than what we just had at 

603
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,920
Europeans where the top three 
were pretty clear cut, I think. 

604
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:02,760
Do you want to put one out there
yet? 

605
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,240
Like who do you think it's? 
It's Audrey Burrows home, home 

606
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,600
field advantage this time. 
So I still kind of want to give 

607
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,600
her the edge. 
I could see, I could see Georgia

608
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,880
swooping in that last 100 and 
picking up a body or two. 

609
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,160
Yeah. 
I feel like we don't even know 

610
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,600
fully what George is capable of 
right now. 

611
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,400
We just know she's really fit 
and dominating 15 hundreds. 

612
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:31,880
So yeah, we'll see if she can 
break in. 

613
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,720
I wouldn't. 
I wouldn't bet against it. 

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All right, couple other 
performances from Europeans. 

646
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:36,960
Andreas Almgren won the 10K 
that, you know, hilariously 

647
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,600
funny way I think he lapped. 
He was out in front after two 

648
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:49,360
laps. 8K split, his eighth K was
234 and he closed the 

649
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,200
second-half in 1319 after the 
first half I think was like 

650
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:58,200
around 14 flat huge gap between 
first, second and third. 

651
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,760
He believed that he was in 2630 
pace if he would have, if this 

652
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,200
would have been one with a 
pacer. 

653
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:09,880
And yeah, I mean, it was just 
such a funky race cause like it 

654
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,560
was over pretty quickly in the 
sense that he was gonna win it. 

655
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,920
And then you had just like these
weird subplots where Jimmy 

656
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:23,120
Gressier was sprinting for the 
bronze medal, looking over his 

657
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:28,480
shoulder celebrating and just a 
weird move. 

658
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,760
What did you, what did, how did 
you think of this one or what 

659
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,200
did you make of this race? 
Yeah, I thought it was really 

660
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:41,120
funny, like how slow they 
started like sometimes when 

661
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,800
you're like, alright, I'm going 
to go out and just like hammer 

662
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,200
everyone into the ground. 
You kind of just do that from 

663
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,080
the very beginning and instead 
I'm great came through the 1st K

664
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,800
in 317 and then picked it up. 
Yeah and so it's kind of funny 

665
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,280
because it's like if the the 
plan is I'm going to make this 

666
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:01,720
honest and like just see if I 
could drop people kind. 

667
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:05,720
He kind of just like allowed the
field to be lulled into like 

668
00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:10,040
this, this false sense of 
confidence that the entire race 

669
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,720
was going to be slow and that 
they were going to have like an 

670
00:37:11,720 --> 00:37:14,560
easy day out there. 
And so then when he just all of 

671
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:18,720
a sudden just starts dropping 60
threes, they were completely 

672
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:22,760
caught off guard and probably 
upset. 

673
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:25,920
They were like, I thought we 
were going to jog 9 K and just 

674
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:31,080
see you as the best last lap, 
but it just felt so old school. 

675
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,520
Just like straight up, like I 
think I'm the best runner. 

676
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,120
I'm going to go to the front and
I'm just going to absolutely 

677
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,800
pound it. 
And they held on for as long as 

678
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,440
they could. 
But then when they broke, they 

679
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,520
broke. 
You know, Foppin ended up 

680
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:47,560
dropping out. 
And then Gressier completely 

681
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:51,240
gave up on trying to get second.
At one point, I guess having 

682
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:53,880
come forth in the 5K, he said 
I'm not leaving here without a 

683
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,080
medal. 
And he just sat on Crippa. 

684
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,520
And the two of them just kind of
started jogging, knowing it was 

685
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:03,400
coming down to a medal. 
I mean, everyone got lapped. 

686
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,280
It looked like it was an indoor 
track out there. 

687
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,640
Yeah, yeah, with the New Balance
indoor marathon relay, that's 

688
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:13,320
what it looked. 
Like legitimately, like even 

689
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,680
coming up to the finish, What 
did he, like cross the line 

690
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,160
basically like hand in hand with
5th and 6th place? 

691
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,400
Yeah, like it. 
It was fascinating. 

692
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,320
I think that if you get lapped 
in a 10K, you should have to 

693
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,400
drop out. 
I think that would be just an. 

694
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,080
We've seen it in Olympics in the
past where like lapped runners 

695
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,720
have kind of impacted the 
outcome or just like kind of 

696
00:38:35,720 --> 00:38:41,320
gotten in the way of races. 
Yeah, I mean, they people love 

697
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,520
to stay in lane 1 despite being 
like 2 laps behind at the 

698
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,560
Olympics, but I think you should
just get kicked off the track if

699
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:52,240
you get lacked. 
That'd be like incentive to not 

700
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:54,240
wait. 
I don't know. 

701
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,520
I don't know what the incentive 
is It just if you, it feels like

702
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,680
you're losing by too much. 
What are we doing just? 

703
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,280
It would, yeah, probably force 
people to try and run faster. 

704
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:07,680
I kind of like the rule, 
although you will get people who

705
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,960
say like, well, this is like 
that athletes 1 shining moment, 

706
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,000
like they've worked their whole 
entire lives and you're cutting 

707
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,440
it short. 
And it was like, well, it's 

708
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,800
about who's the best. 
I'm not willing to die on this 

709
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,640
hill but I think it should be 
considered and at the very least

710
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,440
you should be forced to run in 
like lane 4. 

711
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,480
Yeah, all right, let's hear it 
in the Spotify comments section.

712
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,720
Should lap runners in a 10K be 
forced to end their race? 

713
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,080
Let's let's see how the the the 
listeners feel about that one. 

714
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:38,920
We're. 
Workshopping ideas. 

715
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,360
Yeah, yeah. 
The the thing I think the, the 

716
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,240
subplot with Gressier that came 
out about the reason why he was 

717
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:49,400
I guess so amped up as he'd 
previously been 4th and 5th at 

718
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,960
the European Championships. 
And so I guess he was really 

719
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:53,760
happy to come away with the 
medal. 

720
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:57,320
But I don't know, this kind of 
goes back to our overall point 

721
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:02,840
about the the titles pyramid 
that we came up with months ago.

722
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,600
It's like, where do certain 
athletes like rank? 

723
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,760
And this even in the discussion 
we'll have later on with with 

724
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,760
Jacob and Josh, like it's clear 
that for some of these athletes,

725
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,800
they value their medals a little
bit differently. 

726
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:21,640
And so maybe for Gressier, the 
European 10K gold medal wasn't 

727
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:26,200
worth more. 
In his, in his repertoire, or I 

728
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:28,680
mean, for Almgren, he's not even
running the ultimate champs. 

729
00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:34,080
He's choosing to go to the world
half marathon champs. 

730
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:40,680
And yeah, yeah. 
I actually am like the the 

731
00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:44,880
there's so few 10 KS now even on
the track that the idea that 

732
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:50,280
athletes were like running 10 KS
at the European Championships at

733
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,760
all is a testament for like non 
European. 

734
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:57,560
They create a marathon there. 
Yeah, yeah, yeah, even better 

735
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,240
point. 
Like, I mean, Pedros gave up a 

736
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,880
serious appearance fee to win a 
European champion. 

737
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,720
What did he win in? 
It was like two O 9. 

738
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:18,360
It was two O 911 and I mean, 
look like it was a tight race 

739
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,320
and they had so many people 
together to a nine and like 

740
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:28,120
clearly these guys are capable 
of faster, but like they they 

741
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:33,440
passed up opportunities to, you 
know, go get a nice appearance 

742
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:38,840
fee from a early fall marathon. 
Yeah, they, they, they probably 

743
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,080
won't be doing Berlin. 
I could see some of these folks 

744
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:46,880
bouncing back for New York or 
for someone like Petrus, like 

745
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,520
seems like a Valencia guy. 
Like he'd probably want to try 

746
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:55,520
and target the European record 
maybe 'cause he's run 2O four O 

747
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:58,920
3. 
That could be on the table if he

748
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:02,240
chooses to go out there. 
And then Alyssa Veno has run her

749
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:05,400
6th marathon in the last like, 
12 months, wins the European 

750
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,160
women's title. 
And then I didn't know this 

751
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,760
cause like, you know, usually 
with these championships, the 

752
00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:15,160
bonus money isn't all that 
crazy, but there was a bonus 

753
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,680
awarded to like the best 
distance performance. 

754
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:22,160
You you caught this. 
Controversy right about so they 

755
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,800
do it based off of what the 
score ends up being from World 

756
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:31,640
Athletics and because the 
women's half marathon race walk 

757
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:36,840
world record fell that ends up 
getting like the $50,000 or 

758
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,720
whatever it is bonus over Alyssa
Vano's marathon. 

759
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:45,080
And if she would have wanted to,
if she would, she basically 

760
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:50,640
lined up with zero chance of 
winning the $50,000 bonus, no 

761
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,200
matter how good of a day she 
had, because she would have had 

762
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:59,720
to have run 24 of 214 equivalent
in order to knock off the rates 

763
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:04,280
walk result as like the top 
result for for the distance 

764
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,800
races. 
And so I did see some folks were

765
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:13,280
a little upset over the race 
walk getting that over a pretty 

766
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,440
strong marathon performance. 
Cause yeah, I mean, 6 marathons 

767
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,040
in the last 12 months and you're
still winning is very 

768
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:23,920
impressive. 
Amy Hunt swept 4 gold medals 

769
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:29,440
hundred 204 by 1, mixed 4 by 1, 
an unprecedented haul. 

770
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:36,160
She took the 100m gold on the 
opening night and then closed 

771
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:44,000
with the mixed relay on Sunday. 
So I think for her, this is a 

772
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,040
coming out party in in a sense 
of just, you know, restarting. 

773
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:52,680
Oh well, I mean, she is the 
coming out again world silver 

774
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:57,640
medalist in the 200. 
And but the thing I guess I 

775
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,760
struggle with is like, it's, 
it's great that she got her. 

776
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,680
Well, she got herself out in 
front of the British and 

777
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:10,080
European audience and like put 
herself on top of Europe 

778
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,320
because. 
And I guess now there's a case 

779
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,920
for her for BBC Sports 
Personality of the Year, which 

780
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,840
is a big deal over there, which 
Josh is likely in that 

781
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,680
conversation as well for the 
world record. 

782
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,720
And then you, you know, you have
other athletes like Jude 

783
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:31,000
Bellingham from the World Cup, 
who probably I would think is 

784
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,320
the favorite for it. 
I mean, he was so good. 

785
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,000
Yeah, but still like so you you 
still have to fill out just sort

786
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,040
of like how many other people 
will be nominated. 

787
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,520
And so I presume that this gives
Amy Hunt a nomination because 

788
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,480
for European gold medals is a 
big deal to them. 

789
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,840
But in that case, my, my 
suggestion is sure, end the 

790
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:53,600
season there like 'cause then 
when you add more things to your

791
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,960
resume over the course of the 
next couple of months, you'll 

792
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,360
realize that actually she's 
ranked 14th in the world this 

793
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,840
year in the 200 meters and 25th 
in the hundreds. 

794
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,400
So it was really, it was really 
nice for her to, you know, get 

795
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,360
this confidence from these 
championships and these 

796
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,480
performances. 
But part of me, and this is, 

797
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:18,960
again, being a North American, 
remembers that like, oh, you 

798
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:24,320
didn't have any of the Jamaicans
or the Americans, or you didn't 

799
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,080
have Julian Alford there as 
well. 

800
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,960
When we've talked in the past 
about like the big six in the 

801
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:33,160
women's 200, I'm not including 
Amy Hunt in there right now. 

802
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:38,480
It's what Gabby, Melissa 
Jefferson, Julian, Alfred, 

803
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,160
Sharika Jackson. 
Who else were we in that? 

804
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:49,120
Deja Hodge So none of those 
people were at the European 

805
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:51,720
Championships. 
Great, great, golden, awesome 

806
00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:53,320
moment. 
Congratulations. 

807
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,520
But it's just sort of like 
zooming out, you realize, it's 

808
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:00,960
like, oh, well, in those events,
they're a little ways off from 

809
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,200
where the rest of the world is. 
Look at the men's 100 meters at 

810
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:10,080
at the European Champs. 
No, I'm I'm gonna come in and 

811
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,960
I'm gonna defend Europe on this.
You can only raise two shows up 

812
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,000
and I think. 
Well, some people are not 

813
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,120
allowed to show up. 
Yeah, but she's there and she 

814
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:22,960
ran well. 
I mean, look, you could do that 

815
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,920
across every event in any sort 
of championship. 

816
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,760
It's like, oh, OK, we're just 
praising Andres Omgrand. 

817
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,520
Well, guess who wasn't there? 
Ethiopia and Kenya and America. 

818
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,480
How can you didn't do that whole
line for Andres Elmgren? 

819
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,600
You're just we're full of praise
for him, but also Navy Hunt wins

820
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,000
for. 
Well, because he had, he had the

821
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:50,400
world champion in, in, in that. 
Race, yeah, but he was not a 

822
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:56,560
championship form, clearly. 
And I didn't see Grant Fisher or

823
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,360
Vidya Meharry or many other 
athletes there. 

824
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,360
So you can just always do that. 
And I feel like the thing you 

825
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:09,880
should be praising is that 
despite having one of, you know,

826
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:15,400
the more modest 200 meter bests,
Amy Hunt's starting to collect 

827
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,920
hardware because she shows up 
when it matters and she's a 

828
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,080
championship runner. 
Sorry, Birmingham is not the 

829
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,800
Sprint capital of the world. 
For all we know, in different on

830
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,280
a different track in Jamaica or 
Eugene, this might have been a 

831
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,840
215I don't know. 
So you can only beat who's 

832
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,600
there. 
And she did that. 

833
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,720
And if you want to, if you want 
to criticize the mixed 4 by 100 

834
00:47:41,720 --> 00:47:45,640
as an event, yeah, I'm on you. 
I'm I'm with you there. 

835
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:52,840
But she ran great. 
And I think, you know, look, 

836
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:54,480
you're saying Keely has haters 
all of a sudden. 

837
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,680
Amy Hunt has haters on this 
podcast. 

838
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:01,680
She's very great. 
What do you want? 

839
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:04,960
No, I I don't want anything 
else. 

840
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:11,080
I just kind of want the reminder
or the frame of reference and 

841
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:16,320
like just zoom out and realize 
like OK, like there are really, 

842
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:17,240
really talented. 
All right, fine. 

843
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:20,600
Next time someone wins 4 gold 
medals at the Knack Act 

844
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,720
Championships, so I'm expecting 
them to be nominated for an SP. 

845
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:28,240
Yeah, I mean, look, yeah, again,
you can do this for every event.

846
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:32,600
Like you think Romel Glaive, 
like did you have a like he had 

847
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:34,320
oblique. 
Seville wasn't there. 

848
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,440
No, Elias wasn't there. 
It's just that's. 

849
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:40,040
You didn't even have to go that 
that that high in caliber. 

850
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,680
The Texas high school champion 
wasn't there. 

851
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,960
Yeah, but again, they didn't 
break 10. 

852
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,360
We're in Birmingham. 
Yeah, Now beaten. 

853
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,080
Who shows up? 
I've taken Preet's role since 

854
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,600
he's not here to defend the 
nation. 

855
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:01,720
But look, that's to to pivot to 
the hierarchy. 

856
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,840
That is why Europeans is great. 
It's really fun. 

857
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,360
Love that it's free in the US to
watch. 

858
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:13,040
Don't love that I can never get 
in easily to see the results. 

859
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:18,040
But at the end of the day, if 
we're going Europeans versus 

860
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:25,600
Commonwealth as an entire like 
value of a medal, I think 

861
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:31,720
Commonwealth is harder to win 
with Europeans maybe being more 

862
00:49:31,720 --> 00:49:34,200
prestigious. 
Is that fair to say? 

863
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:40,440
I think it's been, well, it's 
just the history and tradition 

864
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,320
of the Commonwealth Games is 
there, but I just think to a 

865
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:48,480
modern audience, Europeans maybe
matters more, I don't know. 

866
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:55,760
Europeans, you have so many 
rivalries and like if you just 

867
00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,320
SAT an average American down to 
watch the Commonwealth Games, 

868
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,560
one, they don't know it exists 
and two, they would be so 

869
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,000
confused that the collection of 
countries there and like what 

870
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,760
their relationship is to one 
another. 

871
00:50:06,240 --> 00:50:12,920
But because because of the 
inclusion of some of the island 

872
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:15,040
nations and because of the 
inclusion of some African 

873
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,680
nations, there is no event that 
is easy to win. 

874
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:24,760
Like everyone who is winning a 
Commonwealth gold would likely 

875
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:28,400
end up on the podium at a world 
championship and that wouldn't 

876
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,600
necessarily be the same in 
Europe. 

877
00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,240
That being said, Europeans is so
easy to understand for all of 

878
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:37,920
Europe and it gets a lot of 
hype. 

879
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:42,240
Like a ton of hype obviously. 
Like consuming Irish news like 

880
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:46,040
Ireland having themselves a nice
little weekend was a huge deal. 

881
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:50,760
Fully mainstream friends and 
family who don't follow track 

882
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,240
protects me about it so. 
Yeah, Is Mark Englich doing the 

883
00:50:54,240 --> 00:50:59,760
rounds on the night shows yet? 
Yeah, I mean, maybe. 

884
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,200
I imagine he's probably 
continuing his season. 

885
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,560
I don't know. 
I've I haven't seen him on the 

886
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:09,720
Late Late Show or whatever it 
is. 

887
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,880
So the big wins for Ireland were
him and Kate O'Connor. 

888
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:18,760
Rashida got a Cosgren. 
Cosgren. 

889
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:24,960
Yeah, Four, yeah. 
So it's pretty good. 

890
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,680
It was a good performance, yeah.
Basically, I think we need to 

891
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:33,600
revisit with Georgia Hunter Bell
and now that she's accumulated 

892
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:38,560
four of these medals this year, 
right, with European, European 

893
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:45,480
Indoor, World Indoor, 
Commonwealth and European 

894
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:50,320
Outdoor, she's like the perfect 
person to ask just sort of like 

895
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,760
how you weigh all these in 
title. 

896
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:59,000
Pyramid, yeah, does. 
Wait, so does she have a medal 

897
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:01,440
from every championship that she
could have? 

898
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:05,720
Conceivably this year the world 
ultimates, but even not even 

899
00:52:05,720 --> 00:52:09,520
this year, she has a European, 
she has Commonwealth, she has 

900
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:13,040
Olympic, she has Worlds, she has
World Indoors. 

901
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:14,440
She. 
Doesn't have world cross. 

902
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,320
Oh, we got to get her on a four 
by two or four by K. 

903
00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:25,760
She's got, yeah, I'm looking. 
Olympic World, world indoors, 

904
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:30,680
European, European indoor, 
Commonwealth and then national 

905
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:32,880
championships. 
Yeah. 

906
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,840
Is she? 
I'm just starting this out 

907
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,600
there. 
Like how many people could this 

908
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,840
possibly apply to? 
Is there anyone else? 

909
00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:44,600
Jess Hall doesn't. 
Well, can't win. 

910
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:50,160
Your can't. 
So, but like is there any 

911
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:54,680
European who would have every 
single one of these? 

912
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:03,560
Does Keely I guess. 
Keely has all of these, yes. 

913
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,640
This is a medal from all. 
It would be someone who's 

914
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:10,560
English. 
What about Sonya O'Sullivan from

915
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:15,560
back in the day? 
Oh, and she would have a world 

916
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:20,000
cross. 
Yeah, Sonya's got Olympic World,

917
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:24,960
World cross, World half marathon
World indoor, European, European

918
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:32,520
cross, NCAA, NCAA Indoor. 
Yeah, Sonya's. 

919
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,480
This is like an EGOT right the. 
Yeah, I. 

920
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:39,240
Mean Grammy, Oscar, Tony. 
We need something. 

921
00:53:39,240 --> 00:53:44,200
We need to decide what 8 
championships matter and figure 

922
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:49,280
out some sort of acronym for it.
It'll be a disgusting acronym 

923
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:55,760
when you mix in XC in there. 
Yeah, Also the fact that like, 

924
00:53:56,760 --> 00:54:00,080
championships have changed names
or like championships have come 

925
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,480
and gone. 
Like I'm looking at Sonia. 

926
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,080
It's like, yeah, she's got the 
World Cup. 

927
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:09,480
Yeah, World University Games, 
that's still around. 

928
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:12,360
Not as prestigious. 
The Patriot. 

929
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:13,800
What is it? 
The Patriot Games. 

930
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,840
Did you see it? 
Does Sonia Does Sonia Sullivan 

931
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,120
have a Patriot Games title? 
No, she also is lacking a New 

932
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:30,920
Balance Nationals outdoor title.
Oh, Sonia, didn't see you at the

933
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:36,800
New York State high school meet?
You don't have everything. 

934
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,800
You didn't win everything. 
That's that's like the classic. 

935
00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,080
Like, did you know Noah Lyles 
never won an NCAA title? 

936
00:54:44,240 --> 00:54:48,560
Yeah, yeah. 
Went on to still do great 

937
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,120
things. 
That should be on one of the 

938
00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:52,880
trading cards that he's been 
promoting, which is like on the 

939
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:56,240
back. 
Fun fact, never won an NCA 

940
00:54:56,240 --> 00:55:00,520
title. 
I like I my former Twitter bio 

941
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:05,080
years ago was 0 times all 
American because I just suck. 

942
00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:10,880
And then Drew Hunter put it in 
his zero time all American and 

943
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:18,680
it's because he's doesn't suck. 
So yeah, Well, well, well, about

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All right, just to close out on 
on Europeans, Jakob did the 

968
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:04,240
meteor rounds after and he told 
the BBC that he was very 

969
00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:07,120
disappointed Josh Kuris skipped 
the European Championships. 

970
00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:11,440
His argument was the 
championships exist so that the 

971
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,520
best athletes compete. 
It isn't really for athletes to 

972
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:17,760
choose where they participate 
and that not showing up damages 

973
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,920
the sport. 
And he added that he could never

974
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,000
see himself in that position. 
He's got that trump card in his 

975
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:27,720
pocket because he did show up to
Tokyo last year, hurt as a dog 

976
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:33,000
and just jogged in one heat of 
the 1500 and then put together 

977
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:39,360
honestly a solid 5K. 
But you know, he did give kudos 

978
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:42,680
to Kurzmile world record being 
an extremely good race and a 

979
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:47,600
strong performance. 
But he questioned Josh's absence

980
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,960
and that people go to work every
day. 

981
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,160
Being a professional runner 
doesn't exempt you from that. 

982
00:57:53,160 --> 00:58:00,120
So it's fun to see that Jakob 
isn't giving up on the bit. 

983
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:08,080
But I, I'm, I'm, I'm, I, I guess
like it just, it's so funny at 

984
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:12,520
this point because there's an 
element to like, well, Josh 

985
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,680
hasn't said anything about, 
about you. 

986
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:19,480
You did you you. 
I guess it was red meat and he 

987
00:58:19,480 --> 00:58:23,320
took it. 
Yeah, look, Josh is not in that 

988
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:28,120
small club of of Olympic World, 
World Indoor, Commonwealth and 

989
00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:29,960
European Games champions. 
And New Balance. 

990
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:33,400
National he doesn't have and New
Balance national he doesn't have

991
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:38,640
the NAA checked off. 
He has a European junior title. 

992
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,480
Maybe he thinks that counts. 
It doesn't count. 

993
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:44,560
That's totally. 
That's a different category. 

994
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:49,520
But Jakob would counter that 
he's got European junior cross 

995
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:56,520
and cross. 
Yeah, no, I it's just, I don't 

996
00:58:56,520 --> 00:59:02,160
know, I just feel like Josh has 
done his part this season that 

997
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:07,320
he should be exempt from any 
criticism for at least like a 

998
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:11,400
few months. 
His schedule selection and this 

999
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:16,000
approach that he has is part of 
the reason why he's breaking 

1000
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:22,880
world records at 28 years old, 
whereas Jakob, you know, lost 

1001
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:29,640
the last 18 months or so of his,
of his, of what could be part of

1002
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:34,840
his prime because he's chosen to
show up injured to these 

1003
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,120
championships. 
So there's there's that argument

1004
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,160
to it too, that it's like, no, I
mean, like you can criticize 

1005
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,480
Josh all you want for skipping 
these things, but part of the 

1006
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,560
reason and being so selective is
so that he can be the best when 

1007
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:51,360
he chooses to. 
Yeah, I think like I admire 

1008
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:55,240
Jakob for always showing up, 
like and of course I wish Josh 

1009
00:59:55,240 --> 01:00:03,240
showed up at Europeans, but 
there's like sort of an irony to

1010
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:08,480
the fact that Josh running a 
time trial, which was like 

1011
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:13,200
always the thing that. 
He in theory was criticized as 

1012
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,400
not being able to do is the 
reason why he's now being 

1013
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,240
criticized to not go to a 
championship, which is something

1014
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:21,120
we've always known he's very 
good at. 

1015
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:24,720
I don't know, it's just good 
banter. 

1016
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:26,840
Like it is. 
Yeah. 

1017
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:31,800
And now the thing here the the 
interesting, the part of the 

1018
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,240
season that gets really 
interesting is that Jakob is 

1019
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,160
throwing himself into the fire. 
I didn't think that we'd be 

1020
01:00:37,160 --> 01:00:40,640
seeing him in the 1500 as much 
this year and that it would be 

1021
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:45,360
more of a all right strength, 
aerobic, you know, focus on the 

1022
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:49,400
5K this year with him having 
already the bye for the ultimate

1023
01:00:49,400 --> 01:00:52,280
champs. 
But he's been announced for the 

1024
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,400
Celestia Diamond League. 
That's where he'll go up against

1025
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,760
Cole Hacker, Isaac Nader in a 
very strong field. 

1026
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,680
Of the whole entire field, I 
think there's eighteen guys in 

1027
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:03,840
the whole entire thing. 
Eight of them have personal best

1028
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:07,080
under 330. 
Only one guy, if if you 

1029
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,640
remembered where we were 12 
months ago with the number of 

1030
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:13,040
guys who have broken 3:30 this 
year hasn't been all that 

1031
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,440
common. 
And Jake Whiteman I think is the

1032
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,280
only one who's entered in 
Celestia who has done it so far 

1033
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,520
this season. 
So when you look at just sort of

1034
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:25,400
like everyone ramping up in the 
second-half, which is where 

1035
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:28,040
we're going into now, this is 
the second-half of the season. 

1036
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:33,040
And this is I think where we're 
going to start to see those fast

1037
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:38,320
1500 meter performances come. 
And the likes of a coal have 

1038
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,520
been in the dark for the last 
couple months, presumably 

1039
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,320
training really hard to get 
ready to come out firing, I 

1040
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,600
think in these races. 
And now it'll be a really tough 

1041
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:53,760
test I think for Jakob to see if
he's right there in 328 like 

1042
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:55,520
form. 
I think at this point, that's 

1043
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:57,400
what it's taking to win some of 
these diamond leagues so far 

1044
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,000
this year. 
Yeah. 

1045
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:02,360
I think in general, like this 
long break in the middle of the 

1046
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:06,360
season for any diamond leagues, 
particularly for US athletes, 

1047
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,640
have made it a tale of two 
seasons, right? 

1048
01:02:08,680 --> 01:02:12,440
Like there was a first half and 
there's a second-half and the 

1049
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:14,960
second-half is going to erase 
our memory. 

1050
01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:18,640
Like we're getting zapped by the
light men in black about 

1051
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:20,520
everything that happened in the 
first half of the season. 

1052
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,360
Like do you remember this 
happened at the Stockholm 

1053
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,880
diamond? 
It's like no, no one remembers. 

1054
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:32,720
Like that will quickly be old 
news if it's not already. 

1055
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:37,200
And new heroes will emerge the 
next few weeks. 

1056
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:40,720
And then when we look back on 
the on the entire 20, I think. 

1057
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,080
It's the usual heroes, it's the 
people who are really good at 

1058
01:02:44,080 --> 01:02:47,720
the championships will emerge 
again, the Yaris, the coals, 

1059
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:52,600
yeah. 
People who we're focusing had 

1060
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,000
the liberty to focus on the end 
of the season from the beginning

1061
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,680
of the season. 
It's a, you know, they're not 

1062
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:00,520
trying to qualify for the world 
ultimate. 

1063
01:03:00,520 --> 01:03:02,440
It's like they know they're 
going to qualify. 

1064
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:08,520
So they have that ability, that 
flexibility to push things back 

1065
01:03:08,520 --> 01:03:09,840
to later in the year. 
So. 

1066
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:13,280
We were texting. 
About, yeah. 

1067
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,480
We we were texting about this 
yesterday because we were trying

1068
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:21,640
to figure out, OK, so a couple 
weeks ago when Josh says that he

1069
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,400
was flying too close to the sun 
and he wasn't going to expend 

1070
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:27,280
himself in every single thing 
that everyone wants him to do, 

1071
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,920
right? 
Which was we want to see him 

1072
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:31,520
break the 1500 meter world 
record. 

1073
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,480
And a good opportunity for that 
presumably would have been 

1074
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:35,280
Zurich. 
Doesn't look like he's in the 

1075
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,800
Zurich Diamond League field. 
So I'm thinking that means he's 

1076
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,160
going to be at the World 
Ultimate Championships and that 

1077
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:48,440
would require the Sebco. 
Super Bowl, yeah When do we know

1078
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:55,160
when Sebco invites are being 
sent out and are they public 

1079
01:03:55,480 --> 01:04:01,080
'cause I want to know if Josh 
and others get it so I had 

1080
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:07,000
recommended 4 invites earlier in
the season and you need. 

1081
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:09,600
To know Seb, read that edition 
of The Lab Count. 

1082
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:16,720
I know people at World Athletics
read the laugh count, so if 

1083
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,200
something is relevant, maybe it 
makes its way up the chain. 

1084
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,520
And one of them was that, you 
know, Josh. 

1085
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:26,920
But that's in the entire 1500 
category. 

1086
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:30,320
Jakob's already good in the 5K, 
but I want to know if people 

1087
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:32,760
turn it down. 
Like if Josh got invited, I want

1088
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:34,400
to know. 
And if he said no, I want to 

1089
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,440
know because that would only 
give fuel to to Jakob. 

1090
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,560
But. 
Yeah, wasn't one of the rye as 

1091
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:44,360
well. 
Yeah, Rye needs another 400 

1092
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:45,400
still in order to. 
Qualify. 

1093
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,920
I think he's slated to run the 
400 against Kevin Ishippy one 

1094
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:53,160
more time and then he's also 
entered in a 400 hurdle race, I 

1095
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:58,800
think is what someone shared in 
our group chat, which means the 

1096
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:02,400
the double S on the table. 
If this hurdle race goes well, I

1097
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:07,440
think that could be fun. 
That would make That would be 

1098
01:05:07,440 --> 01:05:11,920
very interesting. 
It's a lot of big races in a 

1099
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,640
very short period of time, which
is why we like World Ultimates, 

1100
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:19,000
but. 
We were discussing the path for 

1101
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:22,080
Jakob to World Ultimates, which 
is very funny, 'cause I, I, I 

1102
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:25,600
looked at this, we, we, we 
explained how it would happen in

1103
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,200
last week's episode with Preet. 
But now that we've got a little 

1104
01:05:28,200 --> 01:05:32,440
bit of a clear picture, I'll 
share sort of what the 

1105
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:36,240
information is. 
So if Kerr gets the subco buy, 

1106
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:39,880
that's one spot right for for 
world ultimates Diamond League 

1107
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:43,320
final is 10 guys and you can add
a wild card in there. 

1108
01:05:43,600 --> 01:05:47,880
Three guys already qualified 
yard Ken Myers, Tim Chariot 7 

1109
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:51,200
spots left. 
If Josh is currently in those 

1110
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:54,240
seven spots, you can pull him if
you don't think he's going to 

1111
01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:56,840
run Zurich or Brussels. 
So that means that the Diamond 

1112
01:05:56,840 --> 01:06:02,400
League final field could be Yard
Cam Chariot, Hobbs, Kessler, 

1113
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:06,240
Vinciotti, Robert Fark and Ethan
Strand, Azidine, Habs, Isaac 

1114
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,360
Nader, JK Ward. 
Some of the those last couple 

1115
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:13,240
might change when you have the 
likes of Cole Hawker re enter 

1116
01:06:13,320 --> 01:06:17,800
into the Diamond League picture 
or Fanwell Kowich if he runs 

1117
01:06:17,800 --> 01:06:20,160
well enough. 
So some of those names might 

1118
01:06:20,160 --> 01:06:22,360
change. 
Then you have to look at just 

1119
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:26,800
sort of who's already qualified 
for the Ultimate Championships 

1120
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:33,160
and it's a majority of those 
names except for I believe it's 

1121
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:40,720
Ethan Strand and JK Word right 
now are not in the ultimate 

1122
01:06:40,720 --> 01:06:46,120
picture. 
So if Jakob finishes as far down

1123
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,440
as 7th but none of the guys 
behind him are, but the only 

1124
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,720
guys behind him are Ethan Strand
and JK, he's just got to race 

1125
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:57,080
JK, Ward and Ethan Strand and he
could get a spot at the Ultimate

1126
01:06:57,080 --> 01:06:58,720
Championships. 
He's like, who? 

1127
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:02,160
Funny. 
Who do I have to race? 

1128
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:09,320
Yeah, I mean, I don't know how I
feel about the fact that the 

1129
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,920
descending order on the Diamond 
League, like whoever is the 

1130
01:07:11,960 --> 01:07:14,360
highest finisher in the final 
gets to go. 

1131
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:16,680
Like in theory, you come in 
last. 

1132
01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:19,360
But there's a chance that that 
could happen, yeah. 

1133
01:07:20,040 --> 01:07:22,880
I don't know if I love that, 
although I do like the fact that

1134
01:07:22,880 --> 01:07:26,880
it incentivizes everyone to want
to run the Diamond League final.

1135
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:32,040
But yeah, all right, so it's 
it's on. 

1136
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,720
There's a possibility. 
You're saying there's a chance? 

1137
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,600
There is a chance, All right. 
Final topic. 

1138
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:44,120
It's official 2028 trials to 
Eugene, June 17th to the 22nd, 6

1139
01:07:44,120 --> 01:07:48,240
days. 
USATF announced this on Monday. 

1140
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:53,480
6th straight trials in Eugene, 
9th overall, no rest days. 

1141
01:07:53,480 --> 01:08:00,280
Shortest trials since 1964. 
Every trials since 1992 was 10 

1142
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:05,520
days. 
We felt that, so it's gonna 

1143
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:07,320
change a little bit of the 
format to it, I think. 

1144
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:08,880
Jonathan Galt from Let's Run 
reported. 

1145
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:11,920
The five KS gonna be a straight 
final, USATF announced. 

1146
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:13,920
That field events. 
And the field events, yeah, 

1147
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,800
straight final, which means 
they'll be less qualifiers for 

1148
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,840
that. 
You're gonna have some people 

1149
01:08:21,319 --> 01:08:26,040
crying about the 32nd ranked 10K
runner not being able to get a 

1150
01:08:26,040 --> 01:08:31,240
spot in the in the race or 
whatever. 32nd best 5K runner 

1151
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,080
not getting a spot. 
But like, again, this is about 

1152
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:38,359
choosing the Olympic team. 
It's not a participation race. 

1153
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:43,200
And then so you will have fewer 
athletes. 

1154
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:48,279
That's totally fine. 
The 10K is going to be held 

1155
01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:52,520
different day presumably. 
Could it be the pre classic if 

1156
01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:56,960
they move it back up to May? 
Right now it's been the last 2-3

1157
01:08:56,960 --> 01:08:59,279
years. 
It's been first week, July, 4th 

1158
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:04,120
weekend, decathlon, heptathlon, 
also different place. 

1159
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:08,960
We saw this back in 2022 and I 
thought it was a great idea. 

1160
01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:14,319
We ended up having a very strong
team and you give them the extra

1161
01:09:14,319 --> 01:09:17,439
rest so that they're able to be 
ready for for the Olympics. 

1162
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:23,520
But yeah, I mean, you'll have 
three weeks, I think between the

1163
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,279
end of the trials and the start 
of the Olympic Games, which has 

1164
01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:28,920
been about that the last couple 
times. 

1165
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,080
But what was your reaction? 
Not. 

1166
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,279
Not a total surprise, all things
considered. 

1167
01:09:35,319 --> 01:09:37,680
Yeah, I mean, obviously a 
championship going to Eugene is 

1168
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,760
not surprising at all. 
OK, so we. 

1169
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,080
Were getting flak for the for 
like the breaking news thing on 

1170
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:45,160
the graphics. 
It's news and it just came out. 

1171
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:47,760
I don't think they're. 
Yeah, they weren't giving you 

1172
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:51,279
flak. 
There is general commentary that

1173
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:56,600
is just not surprising. 
It's just news, normal news. 

1174
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:03,400
Championships headed to Eugene, 
which I am pro Olympic trials 

1175
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:04,680
always being in Eugene. 
I want to. 

1176
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:09,680
I feel like I've vocalized the 
fact that we go to Eugene too 

1177
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:12,760
often like many others. 
But I do think the trials should

1178
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:15,160
always be there. 
We just need to not burn 

1179
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,960
everyone out in between. 
All that to say is love the six 

1180
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:23,760
day format. 
Anyone who has a job or family 

1181
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:26,600
or any other responsibility in 
the entire world outside of 

1182
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:30,080
track and field would be very 
happy to know that it's four 

1183
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:34,720
days shorter and now it's like 
tenable to just go as a fan and 

1184
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:38,440
just see the whole thing. 
It's a weird Thursday to Tuesday

1185
01:10:38,440 --> 01:10:41,400
though. 
Yeah, but it's the. 

1186
01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,760
Summer. 
You've never heard of Summer 

1187
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,440
Tuesdays? 
Every office in America has it. 

1188
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:51,360
But yeah, I like when there was 
two days in the middle, it used 

1189
01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,560
to be like, you have to choose, 
do I want to go to the first 

1190
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:55,040
half or do I want to go to the 
second-half? 

1191
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:58,400
Do I want to go support my kid 
in the prelim or just kind of 

1192
01:10:58,400 --> 01:10:59,920
hope that they make it to the 
final? 

1193
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,560
And now it's just like, yeah, 
you just go for a week and you 

1194
01:11:03,560 --> 01:11:07,040
can see it all. 
I do like that the 10K is 

1195
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:10,920
separate. 
I think that's a great move for 

1196
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,600
a few reasons. 1 is like, why 
not boost the profile of another

1197
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:19,880
event while simultaneously 
giving athletes an opportunity 

1198
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:24,480
to focus on perhaps more than 
one event? 

1199
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,880
So, you know, you no longer have
to worry about choosing between 

1200
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:33,840
a 5K10K or whether it's now that
you don't have two rounds of the

1201
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:37,120
5K doing a 15105K double S is a 
little bit more tenable. 

1202
01:11:37,120 --> 01:11:41,880
Like you can be a if you don't 
make it to the 10K, maybe in 

1203
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,800
that next month or two, you're 
like, hey, let's try the 

1204
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:48,040
steeplechase. 
If you don't make the marathon 

1205
01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:51,480
trials two months later, you 
turn around, you're in the 10K, 

1206
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,480
that doesn't work, turn around, 
run the 5K, turn around, that 

1207
01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:58,480
doesn't work, you retire. 
Like we've got options. 

1208
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:02,400
Just keep going down until you 
need a job. 

1209
01:12:02,480 --> 01:12:05,120
Wow, that's and that's crazy 
coming from the king of moving 

1210
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:06,480
up. 
Yeah. 

1211
01:12:06,480 --> 01:12:12,680
No, we move down now you go back
up and start over. 

1212
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:17,320
I like it. 
I I see no problems with this. 

1213
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,520
I'd be curious to know how field
adventures feel about prelims 

1214
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:24,920
and finals. 
Or like if you had to choose 

1215
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:29,080
between prelims or an extra 
throw in the final, which would 

1216
01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:32,240
you take? 
Sounds like a policy or 

1217
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:34,200
something like that. 
It's there, yeah. 

1218
01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:37,600
Yeah, I mean, again, not a 
shocker. 

1219
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:42,120
We're going back to to Eugene. 
I think the the thing was there 

1220
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:48,880
was a small subsect of people 
holding out hope that it that 

1221
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:52,400
there would be a little bit of a
dress rehearsal at the Colosseum

1222
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:57,120
before. 
But the problem is, you know, in

1223
01:12:57,120 --> 01:13:01,120
Athens, the track really wasn't 
ready up until like a couple 

1224
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:05,400
days before the opening 
ceremonies like these big event 

1225
01:13:06,640 --> 01:13:09,640
planning and execution in the 
building, the build outs, like 

1226
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,200
they're always up against crazy 
timelines. 

1227
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:17,040
And so it's just not feasible 
that the track will be inside 

1228
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:22,120
the Memorial Coliseum for this. 
LA did not bid for the trials at

1229
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:26,680
all, which means that Mount SAC.
I could see them still kind of 

1230
01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:31,600
harboring some feelings after 
kind of being given the 20, the 

1231
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:35,280
original 2020 trials and then 
snatched away and then those 

1232
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,760
were given to Eugene kind of 
wild because like they have that

1233
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:42,200
facility that seats 30,000 
people or something like that. 

1234
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:45,280
And it's never really been used 
to that capacity. 

1235
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:55,320
So it's yeah, there I guess the 
historically also in 96 in 

1236
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:59,080
Atlanta, they used the Olympic 
Stadium before they went to the 

1237
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:03,960
for the trials before the games.
Same thing in 86, but this time 

1238
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:07,520
around the stadium's just not 
gonna be ready. 

1239
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:12,560
So hey, it is what it is. 
The athletes will still run 

1240
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:18,000
really fast, the stakes are 
still super high and it'll be an

1241
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,680
exciting, we'll forget all about
just sort of the the fact that 

1242
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:28,360
we didn't end up elsewhere when 
we end up in Eugene in July of 

1243
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:30,760
2028, it'll be here before we 
know it, so. 

1244
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:35,760
Yeah, I'm, I'm excited. 
Like save your anger and 

1245
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,880
frustration till a week before 
the Olympic Games and they go, 

1246
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:41,240
actually the track's not ready. 
We're gonna just do the track 

1247
01:14:41,240 --> 01:14:45,800
events in Eugene. 
I don't think the odds of that 

1248
01:14:45,800 --> 01:14:47,720
happening. 
Did you see these ticket prices 

1249
01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:50,200
like the get in ticket price 
right now for like this next 

1250
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:54,320
latest wave is like 1600 bucks 
for like the cheapest seat track

1251
01:14:54,360 --> 01:14:56,840
hot ticket item for the LA 
games. 

1252
01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:02,080
We need the We were talking 
about like the 9 + 1 of If you 

1253
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,840
want face value tickets, I need 
to see you at 9 track meets 

1254
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:09,680
before the Olympics. 
And volunteer and volunteer at 

1255
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:12,840
1:00. 
You have to volunteer to rate 

1256
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:16,560
the pit at 1 middle school dual 
meet and then attend 9 track 

1257
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:21,760
meets of any level and then 
we'll let you spend $1600 to get

1258
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,960
it. 
And that's. 

1259
01:15:25,400 --> 01:15:29,960
Kyle, remember the tracks are 
rules, so at this point you've 

1260
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:35,440
created a 9 + 1 program for 
Olympic tickets and you are 

1261
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,320
removing people from the track 
after they get lapped in the 

1262
01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,280
10K. 
Oh, I have way worse ideas. 

1263
01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:46,520
This is like the Bill Simmons 
podcast where he just, they have

1264
01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:48,240
like half baked ideas. 
Yeah. 

1265
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:51,120
It's like, yeah, the entire 
concept is you just throw things

1266
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:52,920
out there. 
What are you going to say next? 

1267
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:56,000
Keely Hodgkins is going to be 
the Prime Minister of Great 

1268
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:01,720
Britain in the future. 
Yeah, check out In the Laugh 

1269
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:04,800
Count tomorrow my response to 
most recent Bill Simmons 

1270
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,600
podcast. 
Did you read this yet? 

1271
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:10,040
I haven't read the draft yet, 
but your reference, you know. 

1272
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,240
The concept. 
The fact that they ranked the 

1273
01:16:12,240 --> 01:16:16,480
parent the best sports for 
parents. 

1274
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:21,280
Yeah, yeah, for your kids to do.
Yeah, I, I listened to that 

1275
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:28,080
episode and we were texting with
you, me, Megan Marant, and she 

1276
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:31,800
was just like, yeah. 
I mean, they're every reason 

1277
01:16:31,800 --> 01:16:34,080
they've given for what a sport 
is so good. 

1278
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,800
They're totally missing that. 
Like cross country has that. 

1279
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:38,080
Yeah. 
So. 

1280
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:39,720
It's so my. 
Response. 

1281
01:16:39,800 --> 01:16:46,160
Ranked, he ranks cross country 
15th, Which it's like compared 

1282
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:50,680
to what was some really high 
ones like hockey was higher. 

1283
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:53,560
Yeah, baseball, soccer. 
And again, this is about the 

1284
01:16:53,560 --> 01:16:57,400
parent experience, the idea of 
it being like affordable, not 

1285
01:16:57,400 --> 01:17:00,960
offending your life, fun to go, 
do not too much travel, all 

1286
01:17:00,960 --> 01:17:03,280
these things. 
It was like cross country checks

1287
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:09,080
every single box, so yeah. 
All right, well, people can read

1288
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:12,680
that in the lab count tomorrow 
and we've got Diamond League 

1289
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:16,480
action resuming this weekend. 
second-half of the season 

1290
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:18,960
getting underway. 
Excited for it all. 

1291
01:17:18,960 --> 01:17:21,960
Be sure to follow along on 
CITIUS MAG for everything, 

1292
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,800
Instagram, Twitter, We'll give 
you all the updates and the 

1293
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:26,480
interviews. 
Preet's actually going to 

1294
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,880
Celestia this weekend, so we'll 
have some on the ground coverage

1295
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:33,160
there as well. 
He crushed it up in Birmingham. 

1296
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:35,760
Like the interviews? 
Oh man. 

1297
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:39,600
All of them performed, and so 
that's great to see. 

1298
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:43,600
So thanks everyone for following
along with everything throughout

1299
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,960
the weekend. 
And here are Preet Majithia's 

1300
01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:51,000
overall thoughts from the 
European Championships, and 

1301
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:55,280
we'll see you next week. 
I just thought I'd give a few of

1302
01:17:55,280 --> 01:18:00,680
my takeaways from being there in
person at the European Athletic 

1303
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:05,520
Championships. 
Just an amazing seven days of 

1304
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:11,120
action and the last few days the
stands were full after all the 

1305
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,280
worries about ticket sales in 
the first couple of days. 

1306
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:20,120
Great atmosphere, particularly 
Irish fans were incredibly loud 

1307
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,080
and incredibly numerous and 
obviously they had a lot of 

1308
01:18:23,080 --> 01:18:25,160
metal success so that made it a 
lot of fun. 

1309
01:18:25,480 --> 01:18:30,480
Felt a bit like an NCAA meet at 
the end where effectively the 

1310
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:36,600
the medal table was decided by 
the final men's 4x4 between 

1311
01:18:36,720 --> 01:18:41,920
Italy and GB, and Italy took the
gold in that 4x4 to actually 

1312
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:45,000
also come top in the medal 
table. 

1313
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:47,800
So that was a pretty cool end to
things. 

1314
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:51,840
Just in terms of a few 
performances. 

1315
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:59,360
I want to shout out, I mean, Amy
Hunt for gold medals, fabulous. 

1316
01:18:59,480 --> 01:19:02,120
You know, you have to go and 
come and deliver a championship.

1317
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:07,760
So it's never easy to do, even 
if she was probably the favorite

1318
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:13,560
to take those medals alongside 
the relay medals as well. 

1319
01:19:14,640 --> 01:19:19,080
And then you know Dina Asher 
Smith also shout to her for 

1320
01:19:19,080 --> 01:19:23,840
being most medalled athlete in 
European Championship history. 8

1321
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:28,760
golds, 2 silvers and one bronze 
after winning the 2 relay golds 

1322
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:32,200
and and the 200 bronze at these 
championships. 

1323
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:39,000
Then there were a few 
competitions and performances I 

1324
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:41,960
want to shout out. 
Alyssa Vineyo, my favorite 

1325
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:47,520
Finnish marathoner, won the 
marathon by nearly 5 full 

1326
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:54,480
minutes in 2/22/26. 
Just incredible performance. 

1327
01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:00,440
And then on the men's side, my 
favorite performance really was 

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Jean Marco Tamberi. 
I mean coming in with a 223 

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seasons, best in the men's high 
jump and putting on a show as 

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01:20:10,480 --> 01:20:16,520
only Jean Marco Tamberi can do, 
jumping 232 and then getting the

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01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:18,760
whole crowd singing Happy 
Birthday. 

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01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:24,000
To his daughter who just turned 
1 on that very same day, 

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01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:31,520
Absolutely Fabulous from him. 
I think the other amazing 

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01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:37,360
performances really that were 
there were Christian Che in the 

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01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:41,040
discus. 7251 championship 
record. 

1336
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:44,480
Furthest ever throw at a 
championships, further than any 

1337
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:47,320
throw ever at a world or an 
Olympics. 

1338
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:52,160
So that was really, really 
impressive from him. 

1339
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:57,120
Bent Halash 8425 for a world 
lead in the men's hammer, which 

1340
01:20:57,120 --> 01:21:00,960
makes the Budapest World 
Ultimates very exciting because 

1341
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:05,600
the loudest noise I've ever 
heard in my life in a stadium is

1342
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:09,640
when Bent Halash threw over 8 
meters at the 2023 Budapest 

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01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:16,560
World Championships. 
And then I also wanted to give a

1344
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:25,080
shout to Andy Diaz Hernandez of 
Italy in 1815 in the men's 

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01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,840
triple jump. 
And they weren't on the bouncy 

1346
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:31,360
runway that they had in Rome a 
couple of years ago. 

1347
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:37,640
So that was brilliant, too. 
But yeah, obviously a lot of 

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01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:39,720
great races. 
The distance race is really 

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01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:41,720
delivered. 
Stefan Nielsen, I think I just 

1350
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:42,920
want to give a shout out to him 
as well. 

1351
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:48,680
He I was just so happy him and 
Marina Budduck, who got the 

1352
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:52,800
silver, just go and watch the 
interviews on on this, my 

1353
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:57,120
YouTube channel with with those 
guys because just sheer joy. 

1354
01:21:57,160 --> 01:21:59,960
And I think Stefan Nielsen's 
definitely someone to watch for 

1355
01:21:59,960 --> 01:22:02,040
the future. 
He's been slightly in the shadow

1356
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:04,160
of his training partner Neil's 
Laros. 

1357
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:08,400
But, you know, he's he's an 
incredible talent himself as 

1358
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:13,120
well. 
So yeah, just a few of of my 

1359
01:22:13,480 --> 01:22:15,640
thoughts. 
You know, there was also a bit 

1360
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:20,880
of kind of a downer at the end, 
like the Saturday night. 

1361
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:23,160
There was a bit of drama. 
There was a police presence. 

1362
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:29,360
People can get off out of the 
venue for a couple of hours. 

1363
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,400
So that was probably the only 
slight downer there. 

1364
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:36,320
Some of the athletes had to wait
a couple of hours in the media. 

1365
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:39,040
I was safely ensconced in the 
pub next door. 

1366
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:42,840
So I was personally fine. 
But I did feel for everyone out 

1367
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:44,920
there who was absolutely 
freezing their butts off because

1368
01:22:44,920 --> 01:22:50,560
it was absolutely freezing. 
But yeah, I mean, I think we've 

1369
01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,960
got so much to look forward to. 
So I'm excited to now head to 

1370
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:58,480
Lausanne, Celestia, Zurich. 
We've got those amazing 800 

1371
01:22:58,480 --> 01:23:03,840
meter rematches and plenty of 
other great action come. 

1372
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:07,240
All right, that's a wrap on 
today's episode. 

1373
01:23:07,480 --> 01:23:10,200
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1374
01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:12,920
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1375
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:16,280
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1376
01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:19,280
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1377
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:21,760
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1380
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