1 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:11,880 All right, it is Monday, June 15th, and this week in track and 2 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:16,000 field, we've got lots to unpack. Oslo was a couple days ago, but 3 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,800 we're still kind of wrapping our heads around what Cooper 4 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,480 Luckenhouse did. We had a wild NCAA Championship 5 00:00:22,880 --> 00:00:25,840 taking place with records falling left and right all 6 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:30,880 throughout Hayward Field. LA had some solid performances 7 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,800 at the LA Grand Prix. A little bit of Gudolph Sagai 8 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,080 news as to where she's been and where she won't be, I guess, 9 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:43,280 over the next four months. And then on top of that, I guess 10 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,680 we got to start off with the fact that the New York Knicks 11 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:50,400 are world champions of of what? World champions of what? 12 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:51,920 The NBA Finals. That's right. 13 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:55,080 Yeah, we're definitely team world champions champions. 14 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:00,000 Part of the reason why I guess some parts of this podcast might 15 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:04,040 be tougher for me to recall is because I was totally tuned out 16 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,040 of and snowball Blaze. I mean, hand up Kyle, you and I 17 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,680 are New Yorkers. Like we were watching the 18 00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:11,440 Knicks. How did you balance, I guess 19 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:12,840 both? Did you have it up on your on 20 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,000 your phone or? I'm glad. 21 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,360 No, I, I watched the Knicks lives and I went back and I 22 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:20,960 rewatched all the track meets that I missed. 23 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:25,880 You know, I was having the thought that in track, it's 24 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,880 basically impossible to get this sort of unification around 25 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,200 something like New York will. There's no world in which New 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,960 York will ever go this insane for a track meet. 27 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,920 And then I was like, well, what? In what world could that happen? 28 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,680 And I kind of came to the conclusion of like, this is what 29 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,240 smaller countries feel like when they win a gold medal, Like when 30 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:50,240 St. Lucia wins an Olympic gold 31 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:53,680 medal, the entire country is like has so much pride to be 32 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,920 from Saint Lucia and they're sporting heroes. 33 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,640 And it's like that's. There's a difference though, 34 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:00,840 between that and also and. It's a great feeling. 35 00:02:00,840 --> 00:02:03,040 Yeah, well the the the other key difference. 36 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,960 We'll never feel in a track. A battered fan base for 50 37 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,080 years, right, With so many shortcomings as as opposed to 38 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,920 just sort of when you win a gold medal from a really small 39 00:02:12,920 --> 00:02:15,720 country, you're just sort of defying odds. 40 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,160 But you haven't been subjected to that level of heartbreak 41 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:25,240 decade over decade over decade. And it it's it's so unique to to 42 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:26,560 basketball. And I don't think that there's 43 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:31,040 anything probably like it that comes after this with within 44 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,800 Even so the NBA, because what's the next, you know, fan base 45 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,800 that really hasn't won in a long time, but has been really good. 46 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,560 Is it like Phoenix? But Phoenix is like not as big 47 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,640 of a basketball city as something like New York. 48 00:02:43,640 --> 00:02:47,360 And so I don't think we'll ever sort of experience this level. 49 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,520 And then when it comes to other sports, there are certainly long 50 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,160 droughts. But what is what makes this so 51 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:59,440 unique is that how, one, it happened to a city that really 52 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,880 obviously, like loves this sport and this team. 53 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,800 And and two, it had been a really, really long time. 54 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:07,680 And both you and I like growing up as like Yankee fans. 55 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,160 This was so different because the Yankees have the Mets, the 56 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,480 Rangers have the Islanders and the Devils. 57 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:18,600 And it's funny because like, sure, I guess there are the Nets 58 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:20,400 have to relocate after this, right? 59 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,880 Like there's. Yeah, no, they gotta go back to 60 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,400 Jersey. It's I'm I'm thinking of this 61 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:26,920 from. Pre perspective right now 62 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,120 because I'm I'm just going to say look 60 years of her for for 63 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,440 England football fans for the World Cup that's going on right 64 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,120 now. So we I, I I understand the 65 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:37,640 pain. We've only won the World Cup 66 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:42,880 once and yeah, so or as FIFA as you Yanks have rebranded it 67 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,240 rather than the World Cup, but but hey, let's not go there. 68 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:51,240 It would be that, yeah. I think it would be. 69 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,800 That's probably the best example. 70 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:57,120 I think also just a Sidious Bag origins is that one of the 71 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,760 reasons why Chris and I became friends, and in many ways 72 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,600 Sidious Bag exists in the way that it does. 73 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,680 Most of the Yankees you know, back in 2017. 74 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:08,720 More of the Yankees, but yeah, being New York sports fans was 75 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,360 ultimately like. Truly that yeah, yeah, we took 76 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:13,480 our. Relationship to the next. 77 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,920 But OK, so it's so different. Yeah, but yeah, pre the World 78 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,000 Cup I don't the right now. It's a big waste of. 79 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,360 Time it started. Expanded to 48 teams, it's big 80 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,600 money grab, which means that the next like 60 matches or 81 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,000 something don't mean anything because pretty much everyone 82 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:32,120 who's anyone's going to qualify. So it's it's a big waste of time 83 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,880 and it's a bit disappointing. And the time zone's crap for, 84 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:39,640 for, for us European fans. So and, and and you guys don't 85 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,600 appreciate it. So it's it's all a bit, a bit of 86 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:43,920 a shame all round. Hey, we want to know. 87 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,480 I know that. Didn't really watch the game. 88 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:49,200 The USA did play surprisingly well. 89 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:50,760 So so. For doing. 90 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,680 That that was one of the better games so far in this ornament 91 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:56,240 so. It hasn't necessarily because 92 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:00,400 it's been just crazy Knicks fever that like, it's not the 93 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,880 same way that an Olympics takes over an entire city. 94 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,120 And this might just be because, like, it's scattered all 95 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,200 throughout, you know, the United States. 96 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,800 But technically, I guess New York, New Jersey is hosting, you 97 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:17,840 know, a bunch of games out at MetLife Stadium, but the vibes 98 00:05:17,840 --> 00:05:22,880 are good still here in the city where you can go to, you know, 99 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:26,480 there's there's tons of bars and and restaurants showing the 100 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,480 games. But for the last week and a 101 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,640 half, obviously it's been dominated by the NBA Finals. 102 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,840 I just thought that there would be, I think, more to just sort 103 00:05:37,840 --> 00:05:42,920 of the infiltration of international culture coming to 104 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,200 the United States for this. But maybe we're not necessarily 105 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,600 feeling that here in New York because of, you know, 106 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:49,640 basketball. There have been some really 107 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:54,040 funny tweets of just sort of international fans going to 108 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,200 places in California in wherever they're hosting these other 109 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,400 games and having their eyes, I think opened up to American 110 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,240 culture. But here in New York, I guess 111 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:06,560 like nothing's felt all that different because the games are 112 00:06:06,560 --> 00:06:09,200 still so far are far away from us. 113 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:12,880 But hopefully now I guess like I'll get looped into it. 114 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,200 I I, I have gone a couple places where they've asked me like who 115 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:16,760 are you rooting for? And I, and I feel like, 116 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,920 shouldn't the answer be like the US or like, are you looking for 117 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:23,240 a different answer? And for me personally, like, 118 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,560 yes, I'm also rooting for, for Colombia, but it's so like I, 119 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,960 I'm like, should I be rooting for two or three other teams? 120 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,640 Like I don't, I don't, I don't understand the question. 121 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,600 I'm, I'm here in America, I should be rooting for the United 122 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:37,400 States. And so I keep getting thrown 123 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:38,760 off. Multiple people have asked me in 124 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,880 the last couple days, I'm like, what other answer are you 125 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:46,640 looking for here? So yeah, that's over the next 126 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,680 couple days. I guess I'll get more into the 127 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:55,560 World Cup, but also I want to get back into more track, which 128 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:57,640 we had plenty of over the last couple days. 129 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:02,320 There's that transition. So let's go back at this point 130 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,880 now it might be what, 5-6 days to Oslo? 131 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:10,760 We're not going to go over every single result, but obviously the 132 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,920 big story picking up where we kind of left off in last week's 133 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:19,400 conversation was talking about Cooper Luckenhaus being the best 134 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:24,240 800m runner in the entire world. And so this time around, at 17, 135 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:28,560 he beats Olympic champion Emmanuel Wenyoni by point. 136 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,640 O1 seconds photo Finish 142 O 8 to 142 O 9. 137 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,280 World lead. Personal best he went by Wenyoni 138 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,920 on the backstretch for you know right after 500 meters that 500 139 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:46,080 meter to 700 meter stretch was crazy impressive and ballsy for 140 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:50,080 the high schooler and ended up holding on even though Wenyoni 141 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,440 had a much better final hundred remarkable race. 142 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:59,200 Now he's in been in 6800 meter finals this year won them all 143 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:05,800 and I I guess caught some flak from Mack last week on the pod 144 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:11,800 for saying that the win in Stockholm was better than his 145 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,320 world indoor win. Now I'm thinking that world 146 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,800 indoor win is like his third best win of the whole entire 147 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:18,600 year because this is this is number one. 148 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:23,920 This is even better than that. So it's still one race, but now 149 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,320 he's beating the Olympic gold medalist and silver medalist. 150 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:32,039 Do we put the title of world's best 800m runner? 151 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:37,919 If we apply Kyle, your title belts theory, Do we hand it to 152 00:08:37,919 --> 00:08:41,159 Cooper Luckenhouse right now? No, you can't come on. 153 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:46,480 Wynoni's still like the the best and he didn't dominate Wynoni 154 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,480 either. It he's might be the best right 155 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:51,680 now. Maybe he has the the belt in 156 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:58,400 having beat the defending champion, but it's just an we 157 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,640 don't have it's still a regular season game. 158 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:02,920 That's the thing at the end of it all is like it is. 159 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,320 I cannot believe it because it was the way it was done. 160 00:09:07,560 --> 00:09:11,720 He took such a commanding lead. It's like they were already 161 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,120 going through and like basically 116 flat and he just thought I 162 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,080 could make a move here. It's like, it's not like it was 163 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,720 even a guy who you didn't have confidence would be able to 164 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:24,240 close it down. There was no need whatsoever to 165 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,840 be taking the lead with over 200 meters to go. 166 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,360 And the fact that he did it and it didn't eat him up, he should 167 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,440 have been eaten up, right? Like it was, it was a little bit 168 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,560 of a rookie mistake. There was no reason to do it. 169 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:38,560 He did it, but he's so strong and he's so fit that it worked 170 00:09:38,560 --> 00:09:40,160 out. So I think looking at that, it's 171 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:42,760 funny because just what? Like maybe 16 months ago, he's 172 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,880 doing that same exact move to a high school kid somewhere out in 173 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,960 Texas, and now he's applying that same sort of move to the 174 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,520 reigning Olympic champion. And it just so happened that it 175 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,680 paid off and and he came away with a victory. 176 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,080 I mean, I'm just, I'm continually blown away by how 177 00:09:58,600 --> 00:10:03,040 smart he is at such a young age when it comes to his racing IQ 178 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:06,800 and then how composed he is. Like his post race interview 179 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:10,720 with Mitch though is up on our YouTube channel is great because 180 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:15,240 like he doesn't necessarily he's not drunk on his own supply when 181 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:20,000 it comes to the hype around him. He is very level headed about 182 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,960 where he's at right now and still doesn't necessarily see 183 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:27,840 himself as like the guy or the favorite. 184 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:30,560 He doesn't concern himself with just sort of where people are 185 00:10:30,560 --> 00:10:34,320 putting him on, you know, in these pecking orders of things. 186 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,160 He's just continually, you know, stockpiling experience after 187 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:41,400 experience and it's and it's paying off pre. 188 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,520 What was it that stood out to you about this one? 189 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,000 Yeah. I mean, I think we said we said 190 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,320 most of it last week was he is just so composed and he's just 191 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:57,520 able to to make these massive moves that and he's being the 192 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,320 best in the world. And like you, he's done it. 193 00:11:00,320 --> 00:11:04,200 He's done it twice now. And that isn't easy to do, 194 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,200 right? Winning, winning diamond leagues 195 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,960 is not easy to do against the quality of this field, beating 196 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,280 Olympic medallists and when Yoni is just so good that you don't 197 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,880 expect him. Now, look, we have seen one Yoni 198 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,760 lose before. We've seen him lose to the likes 199 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:24,120 of Josh, how he lost last year. And you know what I want to see 200 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,000 and, and I, you know, I think we'd all love to see it is can 201 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,800 he do it in now a global final, a World Ultimate Championships 202 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,760 final? Can he do it now that Wan Yoni 203 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,880 has raised him once and knows kind of what kind of ability 204 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:39,720 he's got? Because I think Wan Yoni also 205 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,480 didn't really, he thought Cooper would fade. 206 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,480 And I think that's probably why he let him go a little bit 207 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:47,360 because he knows he comes on strong in the last 100 and he 208 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,840 thought he'd get him and, and he didn't manage to do it. 209 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:54,600 And I think Wan Yoni will know now not to let Cooper go if 210 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:57,080 Cooper makes a move like that. And I think it's the same 211 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,800 comment I made about Audrey Wehr and Keely Hodgkinson last week, 212 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,760 that we obviously need to see them race again, because now 213 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,800 that Keely knows what Audrey Wehr is going to do, she might 214 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:07,680 race differently. And I think the same goes for 215 00:12:07,680 --> 00:12:11,400 Wan Yoni here, that these guys are just, you know, so good, 216 00:12:11,560 --> 00:12:14,640 right, that you would expect them to be able to try something 217 00:12:14,640 --> 00:12:16,880 different. Now, I think Cooper is at a 218 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,680 level that maybe that doesn't matter. 219 00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:21,440 Maybe Cooper could still beat one you're knee. 220 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,040 But I think we need to see it, right. 221 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,000 But yeah, I look forward to seeing the next one. 222 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:29,160 And I know we may not get to see that for a while now because 223 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,680 Cooper's going back into to hibernation effectively. 224 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:33,360 He's going back to school, whatever he's doing. 225 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,560 But that's fair enough. Understandable. 226 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:38,800 But yeah, we look forward to the next one. 227 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:44,560 His next one I think is pre pre classic and then USA and then 228 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:46,960 his school actually kind of starts in mid August. 229 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,400 So by the time World World Ultimate Championships shows up, 230 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,960 he's got to get back into get back to school. 231 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:56,880 So another permission slip is going to have to to be granted. 232 00:12:56,880 --> 00:13:01,080 But on that sort of tactics note, Kyle, I guess like that's 233 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,680 kind of the next sort of question mark is when the best 234 00:13:03,680 --> 00:13:07,320 in the world, like a Wen Yunyi or like a Marco, fight back 235 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:09,840 harder. Now knowing what they know about 236 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,920 Cooper, how he was able to get away with it now twice. 237 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:19,480 Does Cooper have to change anything in his sort of model of 238 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,880 tactics when it comes to racing, closing out these eight hundreds 239 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,600 because Ken, or did he show his cards already twice on how he 240 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,880 can win against these guys? Well, the challenge now will be 241 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:35,000 preparing for three rounds, which you've seen how effective 242 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,640 Wynoni and Marco have been over 1500 meters and the type of 243 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,800 strength that they have. And then we saw what Cooper 244 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,760 could do in a 1500 and it wasn't much. 245 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,560 And, you know, it's good that this is a year in which he's not 246 00:13:47,560 --> 00:13:50,200 going to have to prepare for three rounds, but moving forward 247 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:54,800 by 27 and 28, like that's really going to be the thing that he 248 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,720 needs to develop to make sure that his legs are strong enough 249 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:01,000 to get through those first two rounds and then be ready to run 250 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,560 a personal best, which he did do in fairness, at the Olympic 251 00:14:03,560 --> 00:14:05,720 trials. But the Olympic Trials is not 252 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:07,920 the World Championships or the Olympic Games. 253 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:12,160 And you know, you have some guys in those first couple of rounds 254 00:14:12,160 --> 00:14:15,440 that, you know, you could toy with a little bit in a way that 255 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:17,560 you won't necessarily be able to in the future. 256 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,560 So that that's the. Counterpoint to that, he did do 257 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,680 it well indoors as well. So he's done it a couple of 258 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,760 Times Now. Olympic, sorry, World 259 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,560 Championship trials and then and then and then here and then 260 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:31,880 World indoors. So I mean, yes, there might be a 261 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:36,360 difference to running 141 after two rounds versus running 144 262 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:41,280 after two rounds, but he ran 142 after after two rounds. 263 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,920 So yeah, I think he's still there. 264 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:50,560 It's sort of like when Josh Hoey comes so hot out of the gates 265 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:56,000 last year, everyone kind of signals more concern and like, 266 00:14:56,080 --> 00:15:00,040 oh, this is this can't hold up. And we're not necessarily having 267 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,520 that same exact conversation over with Cooper. 268 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,920 And I think it's because they're also playing it smart when it 269 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,840 comes to the amount of racing, right? 270 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:11,640 OK. It was these two big meets. 271 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,800 Now they're going to take, you know, a good training block, get 272 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,760 ready for pre, get ready for USAS. 273 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,120 And it's not necessarily like he's burning the candle every 274 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,400 single week, which is I think more of what we saw with Hoey 275 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,720 last year. So, you know, kind of to jump 276 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,720 around a little bit, the guy, he's the guy who beat him last 277 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,880 year at the US Championships. Donovan Brazier, he's not quite 278 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,280 there yet, but I don't necessarily buy too much into 279 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:38,560 just sort of where he's at right now. 280 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:43,000 What was he like fourth or third at in LA this past weekend? 281 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,960 Because sort of let's go back, you know, 12 months to the 282 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:50,840 trajectory where he was at, where it was opening up at like 283 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:55,240 Toadfest and then another sort of Portland track festival meet. 284 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,520 So even someone like Brazier still kind of tracking along the 285 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:03,920 same sort of trajectory as last year that it it's kind of wild 286 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,880 to see when Yoni and Lucan house like this sharp now. 287 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:10,840 But I do think that the rest of the 800 is going to start to 288 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,840 catch up later on, probably right after pre classic. 289 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,160 But these early results are definitely super, super 290 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,280 encouraging. We're going to talk workouts 291 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:26,760 more, but something that I think should be, no, it's like Cooper 292 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,400 doesn't work out that hard. Like people think necessarily. 293 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,640 Like, all right, if you run 142, you run the same workouts as 294 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,040 another guy who runs 142. But the truth is it's like when 295 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:43,040 you're a teenager, you haven't built up the resume in practice 296 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,200 that someone who is 30 years old has had to like. 297 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,800 They just have to keep adding more and more and more in order 298 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,360 to keep knocking down that time. Whereas Cooper's starting point 299 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:59,520 was so high. And so I think it would almost 300 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:04,040 be shocking to know what he is doing in comparison to some of 301 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,200 his competitors in order to essentially get the same 302 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:10,640 results. And I guess on that topic, 303 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:14,040 'cause we hit on Brazier, Brazier now is in a totally new 304 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:18,319 system with Mike Smith. And I think one of the reasons 305 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:20,400 why I'm not panicking at all, and I actually think it's a 306 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:22,359 really good thing that we just see him keep racing is 'cause 307 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,839 I'm so confident that his approach now is so much more 308 00:17:25,839 --> 00:17:27,280 strength based than it's ever been. 309 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,200 And I'm, I think at the end of the season, as soon as he does 310 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,440 start doing a little bit more specific, really top end speed 311 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:38,200 type things that we're going to see Brazier run ways that, you 312 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,800 know, we've only dreamed of, but that's coming. 313 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:46,120 We're just not there yet. And so we only see one day in 314 00:17:46,120 --> 00:17:51,000 like a very long season in June. When do we start floating the 315 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,160 world record talk around Cooper on this podcast? 316 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:58,960 Cause like that's the trap that sometimes the pre Diamond League 317 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,320 press conferences always falls into. 318 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,720 They're so like they don't like talking about who's who the 319 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,720 person's going to erase the next day. 320 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,960 Instead, it's just sort of they see a performance like this and 321 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,640 someone will inevitably ask a question in that room being 322 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,600 like, oh, so when are you going to or what do you think about 323 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,880 David Rudish's world record and when's that coming? 324 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:19,000 And I think like for us here, like we know, we acknowledge 325 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:23,760 one, how young Cooper is. And then two, I think one, it 326 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:28,400 first get Bryce Hoppel's mark and then maybe run 141 a couple 327 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:33,160 times before we do start to entertain the world record talk 328 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,560 around Rhodesia because right now he's what, 1.17 seconds away 329 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:42,000 from the 14091. That's still a good chunk of 330 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,680 time. But then at the same time, it's 331 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:48,040 sort of like, oh, like, did we totally skip out on entertaining 332 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,720 the world record? And then he's going to chop that 333 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:54,160 time off in one of these. Well, Cooper doesn't like 334 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,240 running odd number times. We know that, right? 335 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:59,920 He's never run a 143. He's run 142 three times. 336 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,120 And so maybe you just go straight to the one 40s, right? 337 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,920 He needs to, yeah. So I guess the next mark is 338 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,800 14167. That's Hopple. 339 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,680 So once you take the American record and then run it a handful 340 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:15,040 of times because I guess like that's what we saw from Rudisha. 341 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:19,240 Rudisha ran one a couple multiple sub 140 ones before 342 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:25,080 finally getting down to 140.91. So I think we'll leave it at 343 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,560 that for now. Sort of in terms of just sort of 344 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,640 when will Cooper luck and house break the world record? 345 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,880 He's 17 right now. This is maybe like a year, year 346 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,080 away. And if, if I'm wrong, then this 347 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,360 this will be a great clip to to play. 348 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,480 But no, he's he's been on an absolute tear. 349 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:50,440 All right other thing from Oslo to just quickly touch on is if 350 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,560 you know, we're still on the subject of teenage phenoms gout 351 00:19:53,560 --> 00:20:01,360 gout finishing sixth in that 200 just maybe not not what not what 352 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:07,280 was anticipated and hoped for in his senior Diamond League debut. 353 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,960 What was it like a second slower than what he ran at the 354 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:16,640 Australian Nationals and. I guess I we caught it 355 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,800 afterwards when we rewatched Mitch's interview from the 356 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,000 mixed. So what he called it, it was 357 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,480 like, oh, not bad for like a rust Buster. 358 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,720 He's like, no rust Buster. The, the, the rust has been 359 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,120 busted. The, the rust was busted before 360 00:20:28,120 --> 00:20:31,680 in in Australia. Who knows what it could have 361 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:33,360 been. Probably a myriad of factors. 362 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:36,520 The travel, the weather, I don't know. 363 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,680 Everyone had to run in in the cold butt. 364 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,600 I guess, like the the the more entertaining part was the 365 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:47,320 comments afterwards by let's see, le to Bogo and honestly, we 366 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,720 were seconds away from the Commons being made right next to 367 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,440 him. But to Bogo said something along 368 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:57,480 the lines of like, he doesn't necessarily think that got got 369 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,440 is getting a ton out of racing against the pros at this moment. 370 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,800 And that he should spend I think a little bit more time racing 371 00:21:06,120 --> 00:21:10,040 people in his age group is sort of how he phrased it. 372 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,880 But the counter argument to that is just sort of how Noah Lyles 373 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:20,280 developed over time racing some of these pros. 374 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,120 To Bogo made some note about how he's the last of just sort of 375 00:21:24,120 --> 00:21:27,640 his age group from, you know, the world junior championships 376 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,680 to really be contending at this level. 377 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,720 And it was more because he chose to not throw himself into the 378 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,360 deep end. I guess it it was interesting 379 00:21:37,360 --> 00:21:39,840 advice. Also coming from a place of 380 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,800 like, he doesn't want to see the young kid get hurt. 381 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:46,760 But yeah, I mean, like, it it. This race definitely took this 382 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:51,600 the a lot of juice out of this upcoming 150 with Noah Lyles. 383 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,760 Now we're just kind of expecting Noah to blow Gout gout away in 384 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,440 this race. But yeah, Kyle, what did you 385 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:04,680 make of Tobogo's comments after a very subpar run by Gout Gout? 386 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,880 Tobogo has this way of saying things that if you were to read 387 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,520 them, you might interpret them one way. 388 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:15,880 Then if you actually hear him say them out loud, I, I remember 389 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,480 the whole face of the sport thing where he's like, I can't 390 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,200 be the face of the sport. Like I'm not arrogant enough. 391 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,120 I think he said, and it sounds so terrible, but he's just 392 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,680 actually just like, I don't think he meant that as an 393 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,360 insult, that I don't think he meant the gout gout thing as an 394 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:34,440 insult either. And he has a point. 395 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:39,760 I mean, the race was his start specifically was so bad that it 396 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,040 it almost is like, yeah, you just throw it out. 397 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:43,800 Like we can't even read into this. 398 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,200 Like that wasn't even close to what he's capable of. 399 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,120 As we know. It was like he had never run 400 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:53,520 before the 1st. Like it was he he's not a great 401 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,320 starter as is. And then that was even worse. 402 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,600 And I would like to see him have more tries. 403 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,920 But I think to Bo's point is it's like, don't get hurt trying 404 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,280 to like overextend yourself to keep up with guys that you're 405 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:12,240 not ready to and look like in the beginning of a sprinter's 406 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,080 race. Like you have your phases that 407 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,520 you have to work through. And if you have guys who are 408 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:20,840 already better starters next to you and they're at top end 409 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,080 Speedway quicker, then you're not going to go through your 410 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,640 emotions to get up to what you need to eventually get up to. 411 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,560 And we saw that because his it was kind of like, all right, he 412 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,320 had a bad start. But when he comes off the curve 413 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:34,760 here, it comes like we're going to see him close the gap. 414 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,160 And it's just like now we didn't even see that version of it. 415 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:43,160 So I'm not hitting panic like, but I do agree. 416 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,400 Like, I don't think he needs to be raising the Olympic champion. 417 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:52,120 And I, I, I'm not excited for this 150 because as I'm rooting 418 00:23:52,120 --> 00:23:58,440 for him to do well, I fear the knock that racing NO1150 is 419 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,680 going to do to have his confidence and the amount of the 420 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,520 media is going to start to turn on him. 421 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,520 And I, I just, I don't like it. So honestly, I yeah. 422 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:08,440 And, and and that's where sort of my head went immediately 423 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,640 after this race. It just sort of like, oh man, 424 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:14,080 for like all those casual fans that were had their minds blown 425 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,560 and saw these clips over the last couple months, this is just 426 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,040 sort of the biggest reality check. 427 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,000 It's like, oh, this is your king. 428 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:25,160 And no, he's still a ways away from getting to the level of 429 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,400 being considered a favorite among the top pros. 430 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:30,440 Bret, you were going to add something? 431 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,160 Well, no, I was just going to echo that. 432 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,040 I, I think, you know, we were obviously discussing whether his 433 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,160 team, team did the right thing by sending him to that Monaco 434 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:42,160 U23 race and that sort of thing. But I think now in hindsight, 435 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,920 having seen what happened in Oslo, it feels like it was 436 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,600 absolutely the right decision that they're dipping their toes 437 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,240 in slowly. And you can see, unfortunately, 438 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:56,200 the online reaction is just so aggressively, like it's so 439 00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:02,280 aggressive and it's so obnoxious in places that I think it's 440 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,840 actually maybe good that he will go off and then he'll race 441 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:06,880 worldly 20s. I mean, he's going to go race in 442 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,880 Eugene, given what we saw on that track this weekend, who 443 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,400 knows what he'll turn up and do in Eugene. 444 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:17,000 But I, I, I think, you know, I think it's good maybe that they 445 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,800 are going to then be a little bit more conservative with him 446 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:23,840 racing the the top rows. And it does feel like that that 447 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,000 decision is, is a bit more vindicated now. 448 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,240 And I think they will continue to be cautious for the next year 449 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,160 or two, given what happened here. 450 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,520 And we'll obviously see what happens tomorrow against Noah. 451 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,360 But but yeah, as I say, we don't, I don't, I just don't 452 00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:41,720 want him. Like there is such a danger in 453 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,280 this day and age with social media and the negative media 454 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,640 reaction after all the hype, especially and how it can affect 455 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,880 someone's psyche, especially when they're so young. 456 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,040 I, I think it's just so dangerous. 457 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,760 And I, I really like his team built like they've got their 458 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,360 heads screwed on and hopefully they will continue to try and 459 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:05,200 protect him as best they can so that he can develop as to the 460 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,840 best of his ability and not sort of flat out. 461 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,760 Focus on beating Taylor now, like that's that's should be the 462 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:16,920 big goal for at world U 20s like take the crown there and get 463 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,760 your juju back. I think I think that's like the 464 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:24,360 the the next big thing and have fun against Noah. 465 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,440 Lean into, you know, the pre race videos that I'm sure will 466 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,640 come out between Noah and gout gout. 467 00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,960 But you know, just these are all baby steps towards, you know, 468 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,520 hopefully developing to be a true contender in in the event 469 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,840 we're not ready to write him off whatsoever. 470 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:46,400 But it's just sort of like he's, you know, this was a big reality 471 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,960 check for him. I've said it before Chris, and 472 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:54,480 I'll say it one more time, he's a 400 guy, I think. 473 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,400 I think that's where he ends up. I just he has great endurance as 474 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,240 we've seen at the end of races like so. 475 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:05,920 Yeah, I mean, it might be coming at it from like the Tobogo 476 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:11,840 approach right when Cali was 1-2 and then now you see how good he 477 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:18,160 can also be in the 400. Yeah, no, it's the the the 478 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:22,640 blueprint is there for sure. This episode of the City Smack 479 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,080 podcast is brought to you by Core. 480 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,400 If you've ever tried to heat train, you know the problem. 481 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,200 It's mostly guesswork. You throw on an extra base 482 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,840 layer, you kill the fan, and sometimes you just hope that 483 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:37,440 you're doing enough or you're worried that you're overcooking 484 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,640 yourself. 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We had daily pods on this feed 521 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,520 from Paul Hoff Mahoney. So if you want more in depth, 522 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,080 you can go back and listen to each one of those individually. 523 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:54,400 But obviously saw 110 hurdles world record by Jacoby Tharp. 524 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:59,480 We saw a, you know, red shirt freshman going #5 all time in 525 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,960 the 100 with the Deja Hodge Collegiate records in the 204th 526 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:10,840 fastest 400 ever in history. 972 barely win legal. 527 00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:16,480 No, no, not win legal 100 just multiple NCAA records all across 528 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:20,320 the meet. That was, you know, Hayward 529 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,640 magic in full force for the sprints. 530 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:25,880 Just sort of the conditions ended up being perfect. 531 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:33,560 And if we kind of just quickly sum up making sense of the the 532 00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,280 men's performances before we I want to kind of touch on a Deja 533 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:40,520 a little bit. Samuel Ghazi has just been on a 534 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,520 roll since since indoors. And this was just, you know, the 535 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:50,480 confirmation for outdoors Ajayi in the 100 that was a + 2.2 536 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,040 wind. So that's how that time makes 537 00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,280 sense. Reid in the in the LSU guy in 538 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,600 the 200, that one was I think maybe the most surprising of all 539 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,400 of them. But he did also run really, 540 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,800 really well at SEC's, just not this. 541 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,160 This well takes down Walter Dix's NCAA 200 meter record, 542 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:15,960 which is stood for a really, really long time. 543 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,960 Jacoby Tarp was the least surprising, I think, because we 544 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,560 knew that the NCAA record was going to fall, not necessarily 545 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,280 maybe the world record. I guess that's the part that was 546 00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:33,160 was was really surprising. He'd been running low thirteens 547 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:39,240 all season and so but to take this much time was 12/7. 5 was 548 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,000 by far the most surprising. Chris, I know you were watching. 549 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:43,600 Oh. Yeah, wait. 550 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,120 That was the performance that I remember being like getting, 551 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,040 seeing like my phone blow up. And it was like, what did that? 552 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,120 What what just happened? But because we were watching, we 553 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,160 were watching the Knicks. But yeah, I would say him, him 554 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,280 getting the collegiate record was not surprising. 555 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,120 Breaking the world record was surprising. 556 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:03,640 Yeah, that's true. I mean, I can't imagine pre when 557 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,240 you woke up in the morning and you saw that a college kid rent 558 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,440 1275 in the prelims that you felt that was a normal thing to 559 00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,960 have seen pop up on your phone like that was crazy. 560 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:18,360 Also, someone pointed out that now both world records. 561 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:20,080 Yeah, and that's that's the bizarre. 562 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:24,280 Thing I think someone also said they relayed the track last fall 563 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:25,920 as well at Haywood. So I don't know if that has 564 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,560 something to do with it because this is the first big Sprint 565 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,520 meet since that. So whether that has had an 566 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,120 effect on on Haywood or not, I don't. 567 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,920 I don't want to kind of cast any kind of things against the 568 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,680 times, but obviously we will see, I guess when we get to the 569 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:42,560 free Classic World U 20s, what other people can do or do on 570 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:44,600 this track and what the pros can do on this track and stuff. 571 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:48,640 But yeah, I mean, if if they have found some some some 572 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,720 upgrades to the track, then then that that would be very 573 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:54,200 interesting. But I mean, look, yeah, at 1275 574 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,400 breaking the world record. It's it's amazing. 575 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,160 And his race didn't look that good, right? 576 00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,040 Like he he clipped a few hurdles. 577 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,360 It was just it was messy. It was not a clean. 578 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,200 Like you think to get the world record, you've got to have a 579 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,440 super clean race And and he didn't. 580 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:13,080 So I think that shows there's perhaps more in the tank there. 581 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:16,360 And I want to give a shout out to Kendrick Smallwood for at his 582 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:19,520 height, running 1295 was just like, it's just bananas. 583 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:23,920 The the, the, the, the hurdles come up way past his waist. 584 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,800 It's like, it's crazy, but. He's #2 in NCA history now, so 585 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,280 like coming into the weekend that would have been the NCAA 586 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,760 record. But Jacoby Tharp is just the 587 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,640 next big talent in the in this event. 588 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:40,720 Honestly, this was the take away I had just watching so many of 589 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,560 these performances. And he he is American. 590 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:49,360 O Ghazi is not. But overall, and Mac was I think 591 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,600 the one who dropped it in her chat, it's like, man, the 2028 592 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:57,360 trials are just going to be so cutthroat that we're still 2 593 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,080 years out. And these are events that have 594 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:04,680 had crazy turnover, especially in the men's 1110 hurdles. 595 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,960 If we look at the people who have made teams in the last 596 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,760 three global championships, I think that the aside from Grant 597 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,159 Holloway and he had the buy last year, like there's just 598 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:19,080 constantly a new set of names each time out. 599 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,520 And some of that is like, you know, rising talent, younger 600 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,560 talent each time out. But there's no guarantees in 601 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,560 this one. But I do think Jacoby Tharp is 602 00:34:30,679 --> 00:34:33,760 kind of wild, like Cordell Tinch is someone we were blown away by 603 00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,440 last year, and this has already surpassed everything that he's 604 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,239 done so. It's it just shows how good 605 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,679 Grant Holloway was to be so consistent for so long, right. 606 00:34:42,679 --> 00:34:45,480 That could old Hinch had a really good year and then he's 607 00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,199 not like maybe he's he'll come in shape later in the season, 608 00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:50,320 but he's not having as good a year this year. 609 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,520 And you've got Kobe Thorpe having like a really great year. 610 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,320 So I think Grant Holloway doing it consistently from 2019 to 611 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:02,960 2024 was just insane, right. So so credit to him. 612 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,520 The other thing I want to say is all of the flat Sprint 613 00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:10,840 collegiate record holders that that ran this last weekend all 614 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,520 in the Commonwealth, so if they all turn up the Commonwealth 615 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,120 Games, that can be interesting. It's true. 616 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:22,240 I I think something that is often lost on us is the benefit 617 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:25,160 of just racing a lot, especially in such technical events. 618 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,600 So Jacoby has raced 25 times this year, like Cordell Tinch 619 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:32,600 has raced 7. And the problem is you just 620 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:38,000 can't find 25 races as a pro without flying all over the 621 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:43,640 world and quickly, you know, deteriorating all semblance of 622 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:48,000 like negotiating power and getting a good appearance fee. 623 00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,320 But a year after year, we do just see that college kids who 624 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:57,880 race a ton just get so fast. And I think there's something to 625 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,920 to learn from it. And I don't know if people are, 626 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,960 I think there's an element of longevity to maybe racing a 627 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:09,760 little bit less. But it the college kids, I mean, 628 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,760 you, if your agent could get you into the NCAA meet, you would be 629 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:15,400 so lucky to get it. Elaine. 630 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,640 Like what an amazing opportunity. 631 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,200 And then finally, like, it sucks that there's not a World 632 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,280 Championships for some of these college athletes this year 633 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,920 because like, this is a Category B meet. 634 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:33,360 So it's not even worth that many points getting running some of 635 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,440 these times that they ran. So you're not even really 636 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,800 helping your ranking that much in order to get into world 637 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,640 ultimate. But I, I said this about Simeon 638 00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,200 Birnbaum. I was like, he would make the 639 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,120 1500 team. Like he dominated. 640 00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,240 It was a joke. And he he absolutely like 641 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,160 embarrassed a bunch of 333 guys. He'd make the team if there's 642 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,960 World Championships and there's not that opportunity. 643 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:04,320 And so I think there's there's less reason for a lot of these 644 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:10,560 guys to GoPro early this year. And the the amount that they're 645 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:15,200 going to be able to demand in at the end of the 2027 season with 646 00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:18,360 like what will probably be like a long line up of guys who maybe 647 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,560 would have otherwise gone pro and will not right before 2028 648 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:26,840 Olympics. Is it is a good time to be a 649 00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:28,360 college kid breaking collegiate right? 650 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:33,040 It's funny you brought up that category for, for this meet 651 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:35,840 cause like, was it you who dropped in the, the chat that 652 00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,720 you're like, it's, it's kind of crazy that like the fields in 653 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:45,360 Rabat, like are considered much higher than this caliber of, of 654 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:48,800 competition here. Not not even close. 655 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,680 And I guess like there's there's the NCAA does have its flaws, I 656 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,640 guess, with the drug testing and all that kind of stuff. 657 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,160 So I see why it hasn't been elevated. 658 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:05,280 But it is, I would think one of the biggest meats that puts out, 659 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,520 you know, these world leading times, you know, annually each 660 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,880 time out. So all right, more specifics 661 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:18,760 from NCDA's Deja Hodge that 1063, which I think also 662 00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,560 happened. I don't think it's going to 663 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:26,240 happen during a Knicks game, but plus 1.9 wind. 664 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:30,440 So almost maximizing on what was legal there. 665 00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,240 Breaks Shakira Richardson's collegiate record of 1075, moves 666 00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:36,960 to #5 all time only behind Flojo, Elaine Thompson, Hurrah 667 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,240 Shanley and Fraser Price and Melissa Jefferson Wooden. 668 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,840 And then she goes out and runs 2196 in in the 200, a phenomenal 669 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,040 double on the day she ends up backing it up. 670 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,520 Wait, I guess what did she come away with in terms of? 671 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:56,320 2168 in the 200 in the in the final, then which obviously. 672 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,640 Then lost the 100. Abby signed Yeah, she lost the 673 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,960 100 in the final to Shanice Walker, but she then did get the 674 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:05,680 collegiate record and break breaks. 675 00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,320 Abby signed his 21.8 collegiate record from 2022. 676 00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:12,920 Which would you rather have? Would you rather be a Deja 677 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:16,080 Hodge? Let's just say just focusing on 678 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,200 just the 100. Would you rather run 10-6 at the 679 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,120 collegiate record in the prelims and finish second in the final 680 00:39:22,440 --> 00:39:26,240 or be Shanice Walker and actually win NCAA's? 681 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,960 But I. I think I'd rather be a Deja 682 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,640 Honus because I'm only an extra 1080. 683 00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:35,560 I've got multiple opportunities ahead to win NCAA titles. 684 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:42,080 And also I I guess like the the next point from a Deja running 685 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,320 so fast that gets brought up is obviously the fact that she 686 00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:50,480 served that suspension earlier in the year that got revealed 687 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:54,600 right after her NCAA indoor title. 688 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,440 So she faced a bunch of questions about it for the first 689 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,440 time, I guess since. All season and since it was 690 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,680 announced afterwards, I thought she handled it fantastically. 691 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,240 We've been familiar with the DASIA since she was in high 692 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:11,520 school because we saw her compete at New Balance Nationals 693 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,280 and she's a really, really smart kid. 694 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,200 But I thought that again, we have come at it and looked at 695 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:22,400 this as just sort of like she was certainly a victim and Coach 696 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:28,080 Gerald Fury taking advantage of the Montverde Academy track team 697 00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,600 and and kind of really screwing over, you know, multiple 698 00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:34,760 athletes. But what has happened as a 699 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:39,200 result of all this is that so it people have mixed feelings where 700 00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:43,120 some people can see it as like, OK, she tested positive, 701 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,120 cooperated with the investigation, served her time 702 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,640 and now is back. OK, great, we can move on. 703 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,200 But then the other, you know, part of the camp and a lot of 704 00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,560 things can be, you know, true at the same exact time is that, you 705 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,360 know, she served this reduced ban, which means that she's 706 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,880 potentially still benefiting from whatever residual effects 707 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:06,360 there may be of the banned substance that she took. 708 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,200 And people still have issues with the fact that the 709 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:16,120 suspension was kind of this secret, silent thing until it 710 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,600 wasn't. And so all of these things, you 711 00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,640 know, kind of really complicate things, right? 712 00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:26,640 And so I don't know, it just kind of made for like an 713 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:31,160 uncomfortable celebration of the performance pre. 714 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:36,520 What did you sort of make of the reaction to a Deja's double? 715 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,600 Yeah, I mean, I, I think we we said it when we last discussed 716 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,800 it after NCAA indoors. And I think, look, it's 717 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,000 unfortunate. She was young, she was taken 718 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,040 advantage of and and the coach is is to blame for that 719 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,040 situation, but it's a slightly uncomfortable situation for her 720 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,080 competitors as well, right? Like they don't know whether 721 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,480 they're competing against someone who is still benefiting 722 00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,160 from the after effects of drugs. And the problem is there's no 723 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,840 data to tell you whether she is or she isn't. 724 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,800 So she may not be. She may just be that incredibly 725 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:11,280 talented, but given she's coming right out the gate and producing 726 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:17,080 this level of performance, it just it unfortunately, it looks 727 00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,880 funny, right? It's like we haven't seen like 728 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,880 anyone at this level, right? This quickly, like this young, 729 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:24,320 right? It's an incredible level of 730 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,960 performance, which which means that when you've got that 731 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:30,040 background to it, it makes it a really uncomfortable 732 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,440 conversation. If like he'd slowly built up to 733 00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,760 it over the course of the next two or three, four years, then I 734 00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,320 think that would have been a different story. 735 00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:40,320 But also the fact the ban was concealed, like all of that 736 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:44,080 stuff just put together it, it's a little unfortunate. 737 00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,240 The one thing I will say is if you haven't watched her 738 00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:47,880 interview, go watch her interview. 739 00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,160 The one thing that I will give her a lot of credit for is that 740 00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,800 she answered every single question, a lot of the 741 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,960 uncomfortable questions around the ban, around everything about 742 00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,240 it, because, you know, obviously it was announced after instantly 743 00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:02,280 indoors. So none of the like journalists 744 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,360 had really gotten to ask her questions about it. 745 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:07,800 And she credit to her, she answered all the questions in a 746 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,720 respectful way, in a, in as clear a way as she could. 747 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,920 And she did it really well. And I think there are other 748 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,200 athletes that could learn a lot from that in the sense that 749 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,440 journalists need to ask these questions, even though it's 750 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,680 after a race, after a good performance, they are going to 751 00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,160 want to ask those questions. And the way she handled it at 752 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,600 her age, I have to give her a lot of credit for doing that. 753 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,520 But yeah, I think as I say, it's still an an uncomfortable 754 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,560 situation that we find ourselves in because we just don't know 755 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,760 how to how to look at these performances. 756 00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,000 All right, well, that was a a deja. 757 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:45,400 I want to move on to some of the distance action that took place. 758 00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,680 One Haftam Samuel looks incredible in both the 5K10K 759 00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,200 coming away with victories in both of those events. 760 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,440 And I'm just really hoping that we don't end up in an Edward 761 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:02,040 Chesarek state of limbo when it comes to seeing him at the 762 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,840 global stage. So as of right now, he is 763 00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:07,920 seeking asylum here in the United States. 764 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:12,560 It's clear that that he's done with the Eritrean federation. 765 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,120 So although you know, he's running some of these NCAA 766 00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:19,040 record setting performances that are also counting as Eritrean 767 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,760 national records, like they are not taking him for the World 768 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,760 Championships next year. And so the question is just sort 769 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:30,440 of like, will he end up getting some sort of American 770 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,480 citizenship, I would think to be able to represent the US 771 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,880 internationally or there's obviously the refugee team in 772 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,960 the Olympics. I have no idea what his path 773 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,920 forward is. But as of right now, I'm just 774 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,600 kind of blown away by the kick and the confidence, especially 775 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:52,240 in the 5K. Kudos to Marco Langan for with 776 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:55,880 400 meters to go a little, maybe even a little bit over really 777 00:44:55,880 --> 00:45:00,080 sending it to try and make his, you know, dream come true of 778 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,960 finishing his collegiate career with an NCAA title. 779 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:08,960 But I'm just sitting there watching Haptam and like, the 780 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,320 whole entire time being like, when he's going to go, he's just 781 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,360 going to blow past them. And it was demoralizing for both 782 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,640 him and Rocky Hanson because, you know, Haptam had a gear that 783 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:21,240 no one else could match. So, Kyle, what stood out to you, 784 00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:24,520 I guess, about Haptam's double in Eugene? 785 00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:30,520 I'm just thinking it's kind of like all of the great teams in 786 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:33,480 the 90s that never won a championship because of Jordan. 787 00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,640 It's like all these like Chris Derek's out there right now of 788 00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,880 like, you know, Margo Lang and like, dude's great. 789 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,560 He deserves at least one incidentally title in there like 790 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:47,080 Rocky Hanson. Hopefully he gets his time here 791 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:51,240 shortly. Just as he keeps piling on these 792 00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:55,440 titles after title. It's like men, everyone else is 793 00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,080 at another level where it's just like, you were born in the wrong 794 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,360 era. Unfortunately, you were born in 795 00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,080 the same timeline in which you have to face Haptam Samuel in 796 00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,400 the N sub. LA sucks. 797 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:08,360 He wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. 798 00:46:09,240 --> 00:46:13,840 But yeah, he's just so confident to like, Marco made that move 799 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,000 and he was. He didn't even have to respond. 800 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,080 Like he knew that he had a whole other gear. 801 00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,120 I'm interested to see what he does, honestly. 802 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:25,440 Like he's too good for the NCAA now. 803 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:30,960 I think is what it just yeah, it it this isn't it's probably fun, 804 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,920 but it maybe it's not. It's like ready for a new 805 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,440 challenge, right? I think that. 806 00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,200 There there are some. 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Iowa State is it? 845 00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:01,520 Yeah, I think so. And she's yeah, Kiru is 26 years 846 00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:05,320 old as a technically NCAA like freshman. 847 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,080 And this kind of ties into like both sides as we go back a 848 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:13,640 couple months to cross country discussion and how many people 849 00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:18,240 just sort of were like, I it's it. 850 00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:21,960 I don't think that, you know, well, I guess Jane's a little 851 00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,520 older for, for a freshman, but there are like true, you know, 852 00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:30,640 1819 year old freshman who have to compete with, you know, 2627 853 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,880 year old freshman and sophomores that are international recruits. 854 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:37,440 And so you, you can't really fault the teams and the coaches 855 00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:40,200 'cause they're not necessarily breaking any sort of rules. 856 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:42,800 And this is what exactly what we were kind of discussing in cross 857 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,160 country. But the American development 858 00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,000 pipeline has, you know, kind of taken a hit when you look at the 859 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,440 results of the men's 10K and the top American man was what 860 00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,840 outside of the top ten was it Preet? 861 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,360 And on the women's side, it's like you're also watching Jane 862 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:02,840 Hendrigan have to try and respond to Mercil and Kirwa. 863 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,000 Same thing. Just sort of in some of the 864 00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:11,560 shortage distances, there's athletes that are 26 and that's 865 00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,440 the one where it's sort of I was watching is me and I was like, 866 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:17,080 man, I was like, all right, I'm there's a there's in the results 867 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,520 page, there's a name school time. 868 00:50:19,720 --> 00:50:23,040 I'm like, I think the we got to start adding an age column to 869 00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,240 this whole thing to really sometimes be observant. 870 00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:28,640 In fact, like, oh, this person finished 7th and they were like 871 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,000 19 or 20 years old. That's actually a really good 872 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,080 performance when you when but it gets lost on people because of 873 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:38,400 how far down into the results. Sometimes you see these results 874 00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:41,080 on paper. Supreet, what did you sort of 875 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,400 make of just sort of the the international takeover, I think 876 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,840 of some of these distance events at NCS? 877 00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:52,320 I mean, I, I think it is what it is like at the moment, the rules 878 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,520 are what they are, right? And, and schools are, are 879 00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,760 working within those rules. And, and I think as some of the 880 00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,000 other athletes, the likes of Grand Blancs and, and others 881 00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,240 have said in the past, right, a rising tide raises all boats and 882 00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:09,320 it's forcing the Americans to be more competitive. 883 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:13,160 And we're now getting at the pro level, like international 884 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,760 athletes being more competitive with, with, with the Africans 885 00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,880 and and so on. So I'm not necessarily saying 886 00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:24,200 it's, it's, it may be effects like how much people are 887 00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:28,080 invested in watching. Like if you're an American fan 888 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,280 watching these races and you know, you, you want to root for 889 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,800 your hometown athletes and things, that becomes a little 890 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:39,240 bit more difficult, right? But, but at the same time, on 891 00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:41,160 the, on the flip side of it, we're saying that there is an 892 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,040 impact at the pro level. It appears that people are 893 00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,200 realizing that to match the these levels. 894 00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:51,760 And you know, we saw and Jane Heddingren, obviously it came 895 00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,400 out afterwards that she was sick. 896 00:51:53,400 --> 00:51:55,400 She may have been more competitive had she not been. 897 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,120 Unfortunately, we only found that after 5K because it did 898 00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,520 seem a bit odd. She went to the front of that 899 00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,200 10K and then did nothing with it. 900 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,840 And you know, if you're anyone, you know, you know, you know 901 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,320 that Jane Hadegren knows full well that she doesn't have a 902 00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:12,000 better kick than some of these other athletes, right? 903 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,760 Like a certainly if she's not 100%. 904 00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,560 So I think it it, it, it seemed like the tactics were a little 905 00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:20,240 bit silly, but now in hindsight, like that explains it that she 906 00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:22,960 probably couldn't have done as much because she said very 907 00:52:22,960 --> 00:52:24,720 clearly like those paces felt harder for her. 908 00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:29,040 But I think look, and we've seen like the likes of a Taylor Rowe, 909 00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,440 like come out of the NCAA like as well like and then be 910 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:36,360 competitive. And so I think there is there is 911 00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:37,680 that benefit. So I think we've just got to 912 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,480 look at it that way. And I just don't think the NCAA 913 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:41,920 rules are going to change that quickly. 914 00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,680 So look, it is what it is. I don't think this is worth 915 00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,480 spending too much time. You just have to deal with it 916 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,560 and people have to to to get better and try and beat beat 917 00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:53,960 these other athletes. Yeah, until whatever it ends up 918 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,520 being an age cap that they're working on or whatever. 919 00:52:56,520 --> 00:53:01,120 I haven't been able to entirely keep up with what propositions 920 00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:05,320 are being proposed to the NCAA, but there was rumors of that I 921 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:08,240 think a little while back of like an age cap on athletes. 922 00:53:09,720 --> 00:53:13,600 I guess I I just want to defend a little bit like we're giving a 923 00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:18,680 lot of credence to age, but this was an upset like merciling was 924 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,480 not nearly as good as a lot of these athletes on paper. 925 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:28,600 I mean, indoors she was 14th at indoor in the 5K. 926 00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,400 She didn't like she was fifth. The Big 12 cross country 927 00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:37,240 championships in cross country is probably like, yeah, she came 928 00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:39,360 on really hot at the very end of the season. 929 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,960 But like, she lost. It's not like she was some stud 930 00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,960 who everyone knew was coming to the NCAA was about to take over. 931 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,560 And it's like, oh, she's like to give her credit, like she got a 932 00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,400 lot better. And she like the last three 933 00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:55,600 weeks of the season, last month of the season, like really 934 00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:59,080 turned it on and had like a great race to beat a lot of the 935 00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:01,880 women who would have beaten her handily earlier in the year. 936 00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:05,240 So, you know, that's that's the NCAA. 937 00:54:05,240 --> 00:54:07,440 It's an international talent pool now. 938 00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:12,840 And if, if you don't like it, then you know, then just run 939 00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,640 your like local hometown Turkey trots. 940 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,360 And that's their opportunity. But I don't have any real issue. 941 00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,960 This is why I think it should be higher than a category B meet as 942 00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,200 it's, this is a world class track meet now. 943 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:29,280 This is it's, it is the, the opportunity is that the best 944 00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:31,920 Americans have a chance to race against the best in the world, 945 00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,720 whether they're from Jamaica or Nigeria, Kenya, Ethiopia, 946 00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:39,280 wherever. And like this individual 947 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:42,320 athlete, she's older, but my God that she closed her season out 948 00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,680 really well. I want to close the loop on Jane 949 00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,920 Hennigan and just sort of this is how her freshman year ends. 950 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,040 3rd and 9th at the NCAA Championships. 951 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,480 Not a bad showing whatsoever. I mean, two national titles 952 00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:58,360 indoors, the collegiate record and the 10K, that's one of the 953 00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:02,320 best freshman years that anyone could have ever have asked for. 954 00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,160 I had to go back and see like, oh, like obviously the easy 955 00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,720 comps that people kind try and gravitate towards are like 956 00:55:07,720 --> 00:55:11,400 Caitlin Toohey and Parker Valby. Caitlin Toohey didn't make any 957 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:15,520 of the individual finals in her freshman year and then Parker 958 00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:19,000 Valby didn't podium her freshman track season. 959 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:23,560 So because those two, I think have set the bar so high for 960 00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:28,880 expectations around Jane to win and and and and win so quickly. 961 00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,320 She's a kind of a kind of if we do the comps, she's exceeded 962 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:35,240 them and she's only 19 years old. 963 00:55:35,240 --> 00:55:40,760 So she'll be she'll be back. Kyle, you you you said red shirt 964 00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,320 this one. But in the end, 3rd and 9th at 965 00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:48,800 the NCAA Outdoor Championships probably are are still just as 966 00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,040 solid of a of a season as you could have asked for. 967 00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:54,680 Well, she said what? She was bedridden before the 968 00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,240 championships, so I guess she came into this one quite sick 969 00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:02,040 and I but yeah, I mean she what a freshman year? 970 00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:07,440 Like I thought the only silly take or thought that before it 971 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,480 came out that she was sick was that people thought that she 972 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:14,440 left it in the regionals in that race against Pamela Cosguy where 973 00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,480 they were just battling for no reason. 974 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,120 But now it ended up being just just an illness, an illness that 975 00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,960 really knocked her out. Simeon Birnbaum won the 1500 976 00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:28,480 three 36 second place is 1.13 seconds away. 977 00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:33,360 So good. I guess Kyle, you said if there 978 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,960 was a team to make he would make it this year. 979 00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:38,520 What? What is it that really stood out 980 00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,360 to you about the execution of this one 'cause he was in dead 981 00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:44,360 last for at the at the bell, wasn't he or no? 982 00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,560 Yeah, I think at this point it's just he's so much fitter than 983 00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,280 everyone else and he has such a devastating last lap. 984 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,520 He obviously has some people who don't like him, like as Marco 985 00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,680 Langan, like he's a big personality. 986 00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,000 He talks a big game. He runs with a ton of 987 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:02,760 confidence. He celebrates a lot. 988 00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:05,760 He earned it. He owns a gun. 989 00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,720 Maybe he earned it though. Like he's unbelievable. 990 00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:13,760 He's like very, very, very good. And when you're just that much 991 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,800 better than everyone else, then yeah, you should run the first 3 992 00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,160 laps and make sure that you stay on your feet and stay out of 993 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,440 trouble. And especially because it was 994 00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:27,080 already a quick race. I mean, he, he just executed 995 00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:29,000 exactly the way that he needed to. 996 00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:34,600 And we saw it in high school and, you know, now we're seeing 997 00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:38,720 it on the next level. And I I like where? 998 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:44,280 This is Kyle Hawker, Ethan Strand Yard, Nagus Hobbs, 999 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:48,640 Kessler. Who is it? 1000 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:56,200 Koech Vinciotti. Those are some of EU s s best 1001 00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:00,160 1500 meter runners right now. Where does Simeon Birnbaum slot 1002 00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:03,040 in into your 1500 Power rankings? 1003 00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:05,960 He's got to go actually beat the pros. 1004 00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,880 That's the like, I think it he would make a team. 1005 00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:11,640 I do because I think he's a racer. 1006 00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:16,960 But also as we've seen many times, you know, it's a 1007 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,240 crapshoot when you have this many guys who are capable of 1008 00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:24,040 running under 333. So he he has to go. 1009 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:28,120 He's not ahead of any of, you know, the top five right now 1010 00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:29,800 until he actually race them head to head. 1011 00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:33,200 But who would I think theoretically would make a world 1012 00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:37,440 championship team this year? I would say Cole, Garrett and 1013 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:40,760 Simeon. We were so high on Ethan Strand 1014 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:44,920 during indoor season. 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If you look at this lap splits 1045 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,640 just consistent 70s all the way around. 1046 01:00:53,640 --> 01:00:57,920 Solo, the last two point 2K dropped Alicia Monson, Krishna 1047 01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:02,120 Schweitzer, but just a very similar race execution from the 1048 01:01:02,120 --> 01:01:05,680 first time out go going to the front, setting the pace and then 1049 01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,520 holding, holding on where she was just stronger than everyone 1050 01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,560 else. So now she sits at #9 on the US 1051 01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,800 all time list ahead of, you know, the likes of Molly Huddle 1052 01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,040 and the aforementioned Jane Hedegren. 1053 01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:22,000 So I think my my takeaways from watching this one is just sort 1054 01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,640 of the mechanics still look so much better. 1055 01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:29,320 She's obviously super strong, but it's just sort of what we 1056 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:33,880 still have yet to see is, you know, what a kick could 1057 01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:37,200 potentially look like when there's a meaningful change of 1058 01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:40,320 pace in a race, which is something that like I'm hoping 1059 01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:45,400 can maybe get tested at a Diamond League because if you 1060 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:48,720 she's this fit right now, let's see what that potentially 1061 01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,320 translates when you're in a Diamond League race, there's 1062 01:01:51,320 --> 01:01:53,800 more people to run with at a quicker pace and also you're 1063 01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:56,240 going to have to respond to some sort of moves. 1064 01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,400 But All in all, I think like this one was a good showing. 1065 01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:07,840 If I set the line at 1427.5. Kyle, are you taking the over or 1066 01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:09,360 the under? If she's able to get into a 1067 01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:15,200 Diamond League or a fast-paced 5K this year, does Parker Valley 1068 01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,760 end the season with a 1420 with APB faster than 1427? 1069 01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:22,200 Yeah, I do think so. I think she's sounding great. 1070 01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,200 Trajectory keeps getting better and better. 1071 01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:28,320 You can just do it so low and add to your point like an 1072 01:02:28,320 --> 01:02:32,480 absolute metronome out there. So I don't doubt her ability to 1073 01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:36,800 run fast. I doubt her ability right now to 1074 01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:38,200 close because we've never seen it. 1075 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:44,480 And I think I mean her her mile best is 451, right? 1076 01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:51,240 Like it's Chris Chavez level. And so the thing that the thing 1077 01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:55,440 yeah, you'd be so lucky. The thing that I want to see now 1078 01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:59,480 is 2 things. And this is for her and coach 1079 01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:02,840 Joe to I guess know and us to maybe find out is what's the 1080 01:03:02,840 --> 01:03:04,480 trajectory? Are we going to like really 1081 01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:10,240 focus on the track and dream of one day getting a medal on the 1082 01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,640 track or we no, we're, we're trying to do the most, we're 1083 01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:15,320 trying to make teams, but we all know eventually we're ending up 1084 01:03:15,320 --> 01:03:16,320 on the road. I don't think so. 1085 01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,000 I don't think not, not this quick. 1086 01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:24,200 I think it's sort of the, the, the layup is there to make teams 1087 01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,880 the next two years and then from there move on. 1088 01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:31,040 OK. So, yeah, I have no doubt that 1089 01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:35,320 she's going to make teams, but if you're going to contend, then 1090 01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:41,880 we need to start being able to close in six and that feels very 1091 01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:45,320 far away. And so you can just kind of go 1092 01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,560 through the motions and make teams hope that they're really 1093 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:50,880 fast races, which even in very fast races, you have to close 1094 01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:54,160 unbelievably fast these days and you can just make it and you can 1095 01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:56,840 finish 6th. You're basically saying it's 1096 01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:58,680 like, how do? How do you end up with a better 1097 01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,400 Olympic and World Championships showing then Krisha Schweitzer 1098 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,200 has in the teams that she's made over the last couple years? 1099 01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:06,600 Right. Because it's like, you can, you 1100 01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:09,400 can do that, but that doesn't get you a medal. 1101 01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:10,720 Yeah. Which is good. 1102 01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:14,040 I'm not going to say it's not good. 1103 01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:18,640 I I think everyone for the most part, most of us would take 1104 01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:21,360 that. But I also I see a world in 1105 01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,720 which is like, hey, let's just like we'll get really fast and 1106 01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:26,880 we'll keep running even paced races and we'll get those 5K10 1107 01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:29,680 KS down. But we know like we're going to 1108 01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,760 be a, a 215 marathoner one day. Like that's what we're trying to 1109 01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,760 really do, is like we're trying to, I don't know, 'cause like 1110 01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,400 metal in the marathon. Well, 'cause they, I'm so 1111 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,680 hesitant to make that sort of big of a jump in, in thought 1112 01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:45,240 because of the injury proneness, right? 1113 01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,640 Like the marathon, you got to be able to handle the training. 1114 01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:53,800 But we don't know, is she getting injured from mileage or 1115 01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:55,680 is she getting injured from speed work? 1116 01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:58,200 And we don't know that maybe you do. 1117 01:04:58,200 --> 01:04:59,960 I don't know. Because if it's just from 1118 01:04:59,960 --> 01:05:04,560 mileage, then yeah, you maybe you know, then you lean into the 1119 01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:06,280 track a little bit and you work under speed. 1120 01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:10,120 But I know personally in my career, I only got hurt from 1121 01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:11,920 speed work. That was what injured me. 1122 01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,680 I could do the miles. And that's a lot of people. 1123 01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:16,960 And it's easy to point to being like, oh, someone's running a 1124 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:19,520 lot and they get hurt. But if every time she gets on 1125 01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:23,400 the track and tries to force out two hundreds at 30 point, she 1126 01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:26,600 comes away with an injury the next day and that's the cause of 1127 01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,200 it, then it's like then just don't worry about trying to 1128 01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,880 close in 60 and meddle in the 5K one day like you're going to run 1129 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,000 amazing in the marathon. Preet, what did you make of this 1130 01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,280 one and where are you taking the over under if I'm setting the 1131 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:41,720 line at 1427 1/2? I think she'd be just over. 1132 01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,480 I think about, I think get her in a Diamond League, absolutely. 1133 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,280 She's going to run, run stupid quick. 1134 01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:50,280 And I think, yeah, I think now having run this 1439, she's 1135 01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,280 going to hopefully get into some diamond leagues and I hope she's 1136 01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:57,320 able to take those opportunities this season because I think 1137 01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,800 that's that's what there is to do this season. 1138 01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:01,760 Like, OK, yes, maybe you get to the World Ultimate 1139 01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:05,960 Championships, maybe you don't. But I think like, I think that's 1140 01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,680 what she should be doing. This is the year to try and try 1141 01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,720 and push that. Like how fast can you run? 1142 01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:12,200 And she's clearly in that kind of shape. 1143 01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,200 So maybe, yeah, I, I, I think at the moment, I think she's still 1144 01:06:16,200 --> 01:06:18,920 like, I think she can get to 1430 no problem. 1145 01:06:19,600 --> 01:06:23,680 I, I think you need to have a bit of a close to then get, get 1146 01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,960 a bit lower than that. It just feels like you've got to 1147 01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:29,240 be able to crank it up a little bit in those last last two or 1148 01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,880 three laps and, or crank it down rather. 1149 01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:35,320 And at the moment, yeah, as we've been saying, like there 1150 01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,680 isn't any evidence of that, which I mean, I'm sure she knows 1151 01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:40,440 that. I'm sure her coach knows that. 1152 01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,600 Like it's pretty obvious to everybody. 1153 01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:47,480 But but obviously, like just her being fit and healthy and racing 1154 01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,440 and meal to race at this level is really great. 1155 01:06:51,920 --> 01:06:56,760 So look, you know, wishing her all the best and, and, and 1156 01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,440 hoping she she's able to kind of carry on that momentum, because 1157 01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,880 we just know she's obviously showing a lot of talent making 1158 01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:04,280 that Olympic team. And and we just wanted to see 1159 01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,920 her like progress from there and see what she can do. 1160 01:07:06,920 --> 01:07:09,320 And in terms of the roads, I agree. 1161 01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,200 Like that might be like if she's able to bear the mileage, that 1162 01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,800 could be where where she's at her strongest, because I do. 1163 01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,080 I do think, you know, that if she is able to, to be a 1164 01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:20,320 metronome like that on the roads, like not having that 1165 01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:24,560 close is less relevant. Like certainly until you get to 1166 01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:27,440 the really sharp end of a marathon and you're kicking 1167 01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:30,800 against Helen Iberry and Sharon Laketti in Central Park, unless 1168 01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:33,520 you're doing that, like it doesn't really matter, right? 1169 01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:35,440 Like it? You can still get a really good 1170 01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:36,960 finish at marathon and do good things. 1171 01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,880 I think what this puts her 21st in the world on the, I think 1172 01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,640 descending order list so far 'cause they're there have been 1173 01:07:43,640 --> 01:07:47,720 some other really fast run. So not quite there yet in terms 1174 01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,600 of just being knocking on the door of an ultimate champs spot. 1175 01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:53,640 But hey, you get into one of these diamond leagues and maybe 1176 01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,680 you can work your way up this season. 1177 01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,800 Yeah. All right, so that was the 5K. 1178 01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:04,760 Well, this, this I think that was the one race that was 1179 01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:08,280 happening at the same time that the Knicks clinched the NBA 1180 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:09,880 title. And so it could not have been 1181 01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:12,560 more overshadowed in the sports world. 1182 01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,600 All right, the other performances from LA Grand Prix 1183 01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:20,840 to note, Messiah Russell ran 12.26 just purely on hate from 1184 01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:24,520 being snubbed in the Sidious Mag power rankings of the best 2026 1185 01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:28,160 athletes so far. This will certainly move her up. 1186 01:08:28,319 --> 01:08:32,000 We did hear from Noah Lyles in our comment section, Tara Davis, 1187 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,680 Woodall, everyone I think was in there just being like, it's, 1188 01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:38,880 it's kind of crazy Messiah is not ranked so much higher. 1189 01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,880 Kyle, you were, you know, the person, one of the people who 1190 01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,279 devised those rankings. Why was Messiah so low? 1191 01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:48,240 And where does this move her up? She was at 12. 1192 01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:52,120 I think this moves her back up into it's got to put her in the 1193 01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:57,040 top five. I think that it obviously moves 1194 01:08:57,040 --> 01:09:01,040 her up. And I think we had such an 1195 01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:07,040 ambiguous ranking criteria. So like everyone involved in 1196 01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:09,680 creating them was like rating different things. 1197 01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:13,200 Like I really valued world indoor champions, but I know 1198 01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:16,920 that other people like didn't. And so some people are being 1199 01:09:16,920 --> 01:09:19,160 penalized for like skipping indoors and others weren't. 1200 01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:23,319 So I think from the Sidious Mag side we need to revise the 1201 01:09:23,319 --> 01:09:26,760 criteria and like wait different things. 1202 01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,200 Maybe I should submit a ballot. That too. 1203 01:09:29,439 --> 01:09:30,240 I didn't. I didn't. 1204 01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:34,080 Participate yeah, you submitting A ballot would be beneficial, 1205 01:09:35,479 --> 01:09:37,439 especially because you would have had Messiah #1 which would 1206 01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,040 have obviously too up to ranking. 1207 01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:46,439 But yeah, I, I think what could she have run if she would have 1208 01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:50,279 just run through the line like she passed up another sub 1220 1209 01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:55,240 clocking seemingly just because she was like having such a good 1210 01:09:55,240 --> 01:09:58,920 time out there. She's just in such a rhythm at 1211 01:09:58,920 --> 01:10:01,320 the moment. It's it's pretty incredible to 1212 01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,760 watch when that happens. And The funny thing is that she 1213 01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:06,600 wasn't even the headline from this one because Tara Davis 1214 01:10:06,600 --> 01:10:09,960 Woodhall ends up finishing second 1247. 1215 01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:15,000 Huge personal best, but also you got to note her reaction time. 1216 01:10:15,680 --> 01:10:20,360 It was half a second point, 530 slowest reaction time of the 1217 01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:23,920 whole entire thing. Everyone else is .20. 1218 01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:27,600 And she ends up finishing ahead of World Championship bronze 1219 01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,440 medalist Grace Stark. This is her second hurdle race 1220 01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:35,200 since January 2024. And then on top of that, you 1221 01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:40,120 know, maybe an hour or so after this race, she goes and jumps 1222 01:10:40,120 --> 01:10:44,400 7.2 for a long jump. Personal best when you combine 1223 01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:51,120 both of those marks, I think it totals up to 2485 points on the 1224 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:55,480 world Athletic scoring tables. JJK, Jackie Joyner, Kersey, her 1225 01:10:55,480 --> 01:11:00,080 best single day long jump and 100 hurdles performance I think 1226 01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:04,200 was 7.49 and 1261. So still a little bit weighs 1227 01:11:04,200 --> 01:11:07,280 away off, but that was I think one of the comps that people 1228 01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,480 started to throw out. It's like, oh, that was really, 1229 01:11:09,480 --> 01:11:14,640 really good. But Preet Tara just totally 1230 01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,120 exceeded expectations in this way. 1231 01:11:16,680 --> 01:11:19,960 Yeah, actually, I mean, just before like quickly on the long 1232 01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,520 jump series, that was 4 jumps over 7 meters. 1233 01:11:22,520 --> 01:11:26,080 A couple of them are windy, but four jumps over 7 meters, like 1234 01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:28,520 that has to be one of the best long jump series of all time. 1235 01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:32,040 Like frankly, like, and most of the for people who don't know, 1236 01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:36,120 most of the top long jump marks were set in that era of the 70s 1237 01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,960 and 80s by Eastern Bloc athletes. 1238 01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:42,080 And so that's why like current athletes are not really 1239 01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:45,080 approaching that. But to jump 4 jumps over 7 1240 01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:48,640 meters in a single series in a row was just incredible. 1241 01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:51,200 I don't think we've seen that for for years. 1242 01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,160 Like I don't know the last time we've seen that. 1243 01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:58,600 But but then on the hurdles, like she like, yeah, 1247, like 1244 01:11:58,600 --> 01:12:03,680 beating world champion, Olympic medallist, a world medallist, 1245 01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:06,680 like a former world record holder, like incredible, that 1246 01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:10,000 incredible performance. And you know that, does that 1247 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,720 make her a threat to like, I think I think this is going to 1248 01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:14,800 encourage her. Like she seems to find the long 1249 01:12:14,800 --> 01:12:18,320 jump so easy and she's so dominant, right, that she could 1250 01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:21,480 almost like, why not go all in on the hurdles if she's this 1251 01:12:21,480 --> 01:12:24,120 successful? Can she run 12/2, right? 1252 01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,760 Like can she get herself up there by can? 1253 01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:30,440 She throw the javelin like we we, we need to find out if she's 1254 01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:32,760 got a tap on her. Yeah, because you do have. 1255 01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,720 But actually I would say, look, why not just go for the I don't 1256 01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:39,560 know how possible it would be, but go for the double at at 1257 01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:41,760 worlds next year. And if it works, go for the 1258 01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,800 double at La, right. Like racing on the track, like 1259 01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,440 we know that racing on the track gets you more attention than 1260 01:12:48,280 --> 01:12:51,160 than the long jump. We also know that doubling gets 1261 01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,640 you attention, right? So doing something unusual, 1262 01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:56,840 especially because the ease with which she seems to be able to 1263 01:12:56,840 --> 01:12:59,520 produce those performances in the long jump now at 1264 01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,720 consistently like why not go all in on the hurdles as well? 1265 01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,520 No, it was a really, really impressive showing by her. 1266 01:13:06,600 --> 01:13:09,440 OK, really quick. Gabby Jennings won the steeple 1267 01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:12,560 convincingly. We had Brandon Miller win the 1268 01:13:12,560 --> 01:13:19,640 800 with a 25 second closing 200, Ethan Strand won the 15. 1269 01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:23,440 Abbey Amanur strong in the 5K, Cole Hawker second in the 3K, 1270 01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:27,280 Kenneth Roeks really, really bad in the steeple. 1271 01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,400 What? We have no idea what has 1272 01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:32,200 happened there. It looks like someone just 1273 01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,640 absolutely zapped it. He made a deal with the devil 1274 01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:36,280 essentially. It was like you get the Olympic 1275 01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:40,440 silver medal and then you never get to perform well again, and 1276 01:13:40,440 --> 01:13:42,280 he took the deal. That's what it kind of looks 1277 01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,560 like right now, because he's just been. 1278 01:13:45,480 --> 01:13:49,800 I would take the deal deal. But I want to talk about go back 1279 01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,800 to the 800 because yes, Brandon Miller won. 1280 01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:56,640 But the next subplot that we have to kind of continue to keep 1281 01:13:56,800 --> 01:13:58,720 a temperature check on is Josh Kerb. 1282 01:13:59,360 --> 01:14:02,600 You know, I think he he went to the front early in this one. 1283 01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:06,480 It was strange. It was going so slow, to be 1284 01:14:06,480 --> 01:14:07,960 honest, it was just going really slow. 1285 01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:10,800 So he, he was like, if I want to run a QuickTime, like that's the 1286 01:14:10,840 --> 01:14:12,480 only way I'm going to be able to do it because he. 1287 01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:14,240 And he ended up what, another 145? 1288 01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:18,160 He ended up not APB this time. Not yeah, because he ran 144 O 1289 01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:20,240 didn't he like whatever last time out? 1290 01:14:20,360 --> 01:14:22,480 So yeah, this was this was nowhere near that, 1291 01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:23,280 unfortunately. So. 1292 01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,240 He tried. We're a couple weeks away from 1293 01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:30,000 the mile world record attempt in London that's set for July 18th. 1294 01:14:30,440 --> 01:14:32,200 So there was that, there's that performance and we have two, 1295 01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:34,480 eight hundreds to kind of look at as a as a body of work. 1296 01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:38,120 But then also he posted this 4 by 800 workout on his YouTube 1297 01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:44,520 channel where he ran one fifty 915915149 with approximately 6 1298 01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:48,880 minutes recovery in between. This is part of his preparation 1299 01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:52,960 for the mile. Jacob did a similar workout, I 1300 01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:58,520 think in 2023 before the two mile, or was it the 3K world 1301 01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:03,440 record that he ran and he ran 2 flat, 2 flat one, 55155, one 1302 01:15:03,440 --> 01:15:07,480 49149, six reps with 90 seconds rest on the first four. 1303 01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:11,240 And then that's the same season where he ran 343 in the mile and 1304 01:15:11,240 --> 01:15:14,480 3:27 in the 1500. So when you take that workout 1305 01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:19,520 and you compare it to Josh's, Josh ran 4 by 8 with 6 minutes 1306 01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,040 rest. Kyle, you're the one who's 1307 01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:23,600 familiar with workouts like this. 1308 01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,120 And I guess like you weren't you? 1309 01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,840 Did you do a session with Sentro like this? 1310 01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:40,560 Yes, so so Josh went one fifty 915915149 granted as well. 1311 01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:43,360 Yeah, at altitude, he lives there, but still he was at 1312 01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:47,160 altitude. In 2016 after one of the 1313 01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:52,520 Tracktown meets, Centro had run 147 in a tactical race and then 1314 01:15:52,520 --> 01:15:57,760 he did 38 hundreds after that. I helped rabbit him through and 1315 01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:01,320 I did not do this workout, but he went then after. 1316 01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:08,560 So like, you know, a good bit after the race, 153 one 49147 1317 01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:15,240 and if I remember properly, that was an 800 meter jog, but during 1318 01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:18,760 project would jog so slow. That was like they'd always be 1319 01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:21,040 jogging, but it would be like incredibly slow jogs. 1320 01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:27,920 And then he won the Olympics. So I saw this workout. 1321 01:16:27,960 --> 01:16:30,600 Oh, I saw the splits and I was like, that's pretty good. 1322 01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:37,560 Like it didn't blow me away because I think it's hard for 1323 01:16:37,560 --> 01:16:42,760 probably most people to understand how easy A159800 is 1324 01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,200 for like the likes of Joshua and Jakubing A Brits. 1325 01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:50,120 And like, it's nothing that does nothing to them. 1326 01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:54,440 So you know, it's like 2-8 hundreds and 1:59. 1327 01:16:54,440 --> 01:16:59,480 It's just good solid work. And then the 150 is obviously 1328 01:16:59,480 --> 01:17:01,840 very good and then the 149 is very good. 1329 01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,480 The thing in watching the workout that I took away from is 1330 01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:06,280 1. He always works out alone. 1331 01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:13,000 So he did this solo and just nailed the splits like 1. 1332 01:17:13,200 --> 01:17:15,920 Like if coach has to run 2 flat, everyone knows that means run 1333 01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:22,720 159 and he ran 159 nine I think both times and then just was 1334 01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:25,520 fully even split super under control. 1335 01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:29,560 And so I'm not reading into the splits as much as how 1336 01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:32,160 comfortable it looked that he did it. 1337 01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:36,040 I don't think the the times in and of itself say, all right, 1338 01:17:36,040 --> 01:17:41,360 this is a 342 mile. I we, we've know Jakob has done 1339 01:17:41,360 --> 01:17:43,120 something similar. We know Centro has done 1340 01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:47,520 something similar. It just it's not a math 1341 01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:49,640 equation. And kind of what I was saying 1342 01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:53,240 earlier about Cooper Lukenhaus and his workouts versus the guys 1343 01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:57,760 he's racing. It's just not A like A + B = C 1344 01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,600 It's without at the context of what Josh has done previously 1345 01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:06,600 and how it felt versus those sessions, it's hard to know. 1346 01:18:06,760 --> 01:18:09,800 His team knows. I'll tell you this, he was fired 1347 01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,800 up after and that's a very good sign. 1348 01:18:12,880 --> 01:18:15,920 If he's excited by it, then I think we should be excited by 1349 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:18,880 it. And just, it was solo in 1350 01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:24,840 control, nailed the splits. So, so I think it's on I, I 1351 01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,280 don't, I, I think it's under threat. 1352 01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,800 Let's let's it. All depends on the the the the 1353 01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,920 London weather. Now give me your number zero to 1354 01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:37,720 100, your confidence level Josh breaking the mile world record 1355 01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:44,320 on July 18th, because after this workout, I definitely think he's 1356 01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:52,960 in 344 shape. 343 starts to kind of be maybe where I land. 1357 01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:57,800 I don't know about 342. So I'm I put me at the 45 on a 1358 01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:02,520 scale of zero to 100 right now. Preet what do you as Kyle kind 1359 01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:04,640 of gives this like more thought and rounds his home. 1360 01:19:05,480 --> 01:19:09,000 I, I'm, I'm, I think there's two, there's two bits to it. 1361 01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:12,120 I think Josh Kerr will be dialed in to give the best performance 1362 01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:13,880 he can. Like you could see how he was 1363 01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:15,400 processing the data doing all of that. 1364 01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:20,120 So, but on the flip side of it, I just worry that the race like 1365 01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:26,440 Josh Kerr's best race, like when he ran that 345 at pre and beat 1366 01:19:26,440 --> 01:19:29,880 Yakob who was coming up from injury, but he had Yakob as a 1367 01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:32,840 rabbit, right? He had like the rest of the 1368 01:19:32,840 --> 01:19:35,400 field, like ahead of him and he was able to kick down. 1369 01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:39,160 And that is his best race when he's able to run his best kind 1370 01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:42,800 of when he's had to go out and make fast splits himself. 1371 01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:46,840 Like he went for British record or something last year, year 1372 01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:49,520 before. Like it did not go well when he 1373 01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:53,160 was trying to like push it out pace wise from the front. 1374 01:19:53,240 --> 01:19:55,400 Like that is not his strong super race. 1375 01:19:55,680 --> 01:19:58,160 And I imagine he's gone back and look to that and he's worked on 1376 01:19:58,160 --> 01:19:59,920 it. So I think I agree with you, 1377 01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:03,440 Chris, that I think he could run 340-4343. 1378 01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:06,720 I'm not convinced. I think it's very, very 1379 01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:09,200 difficult unless there's someone else who's. 1380 01:20:10,120 --> 01:20:14,320 Able to be there with him up till like 12114 hundred that he 1381 01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:18,120 can then kick by. I'm not I'm not sure that that 1382 01:20:18,240 --> 01:20:20,360 it happens. So I'm going to give it like 1383 01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:22,520 30%. Preet's favorite thing is 1384 01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:26,360 putting a pacer up until like the last 100 meters of a race. 1385 01:20:26,440 --> 01:20:29,000 But for Josh Kerr, for Josh Kerr, not for Audrey Warrow, 1386 01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:32,040 like as an example, like I just think there's, they're different 1387 01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,080 athletes, right? I, I just think that that there 1388 01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,000 are, I think for different athletes, I think it's, it's 1389 01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:39,960 different, different answers. But I think certainly for for 1390 01:20:39,960 --> 01:20:43,120 Josh Kerr, I think he needs it. More than all right, Kyle Brown 1391 01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,000 is home and close this thing out. 1392 01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:46,840 Where's your confidence levels zero to 100 right now. 1393 01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:50,240 Joshua breaking the world record in London and this can change a 1394 01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:52,080 week out. I was initially going to say 50. 1395 01:20:53,360 --> 01:20:59,480 I was initially going to say 5050, but I'm bumping it to 6040 1396 01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:03,400 because this is he is peaking for this. 1397 01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:05,840 And we know Josh is exceptionally good at peaking. 1398 01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,960 I mean, the, the peak of his season is the London Diamond 1399 01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:10,400 League of the Commonwealth Games, correct? 1400 01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:14,360 Like that is the most important things on his calendar by far. 1401 01:21:14,360 --> 01:21:17,200 And you're not doing this workout a month out unless you 1402 01:21:17,200 --> 01:21:23,320 are getting ready to absolutely peak a month out from winning 1403 01:21:23,320 --> 01:21:28,840 the 2023 World Championships. He ran 1:47 and 1:46 at the UK 1404 01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,200 Championships. He was fifth in that 800. 1405 01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:37,800 And then 5-6 weeks later he wins the World Championships in 2024 1406 01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:42,680 before running 327 to get silver at the Olympics. 1407 01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:49,000 He fell at the championships, if you remember, but he went 146 O 1408 01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:51,960 in the prelims. But prior to that was, you know, 1409 01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:55,720 he really didn't even race. It was the the Prefontaine Mile 1410 01:21:55,720 --> 01:22:01,760 where he ran 345, but but one that was in May before August. 1411 01:22:01,760 --> 01:22:04,920 So we just know that he comes on really, really hard. 1412 01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,040 And I think he's setting himself up for the type of peak that 1413 01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:10,720 we've seen. And I think his starting point a 1414 01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:12,280 month out is higher than he's ever been. 1415 01:22:12,440 --> 01:22:14,480 All right. Those are our predictions so 1416 01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:16,960 far. I've got a meeting to run to, 1417 01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:20,080 but lots of other meats coming up. 1418 01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:22,960 Well, we also had the news of Gudofsigai's positive test, 1419 01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:27,040 which ended up being for medication she was taking for in 1420 01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:29,560 an attempt to get pregnancy. Didn't get the TUI on time. 1421 01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:33,280 And so unfortunately that has led to shortened band. 1422 01:22:33,280 --> 01:22:37,240 She's out for four months, but knocking her out, I think 1423 01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:41,120 through the rest of the 2020 sixth season. 1424 01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:43,960 But also she's having a baby. So congratulations to her. 1425 01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:47,760 And then we've got Ostrava coming up, lots of meets 1426 01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,360 Portland Track festival this weekend. 1427 01:22:50,360 --> 01:22:55,440 So stay tuned to the CDs mag channels, FBK games out in 1428 01:22:55,440 --> 01:23:00,200 Hanglo this weekend as well. So keep tabs on all things 1429 01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:04,840 results, commentary, analysis on the CDs MAG channels. 1430 01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:08,680 But that does it for this week in track and field. 1431 01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:13,440 We'll see you guys next time. All right, that's a wrap on 1432 01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:15,680 today's episode. Thanks for listening, for the 1433 01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,680 time, the curiosity and for making this show part of your 1434 01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:21,760 routine or your run. 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