1 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,400 What is up Sidious Mag podcast listeners? 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:16,480 It is October 8th and we are still getting ready to watch 3 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,440 some track. This weekend we got lots of 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,120 racing ahead. The Chicago Marathon will be 5 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,160 taking place on Sunday. So in this episode we'll talk 6 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:29,480 about the Athos meet taking place on Thursday and Friday in 7 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:34,840 New York City, and then also the the Chicago Marathon. 8 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:39,840 We'll do a full preview of that. I'm excited and I want to knock 9 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:43,720 this podcast out so I can get out and go for a run. 10 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:49,440 So quick update for the folks who were concerned about my 11 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,960 knee. I got a a lot of nice messages 12 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:57,320 after, you know, kind of giving the injury update before the 13 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,800 World Championships. But I'm back to running after 14 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,720 about like I don't know, it was like 40 days or something of no 15 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:11,840 running, no ligament damage, no tears, nothing terrible, no 16 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,040 broken bones when I dislocated my kneecap. 17 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,480 Managed to get a lot of stairs and walking in in Japan and so 18 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:21,520 everything's healed up pretty quick. 19 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,480 I'm in PT now but back to running. 20 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:29,040 Yesterday I ran 4 miles in 30 minutes and today I'm looking to 21 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,840 do the same. So the comeback is is on preet 22 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,400 and I don't have another. I don't have a race on my 23 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,440 calendar. But it's just exciting to get 24 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:43,080 back and I will not be taking running for granted ever again. 25 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,280 Yeah, I mean, I guess you're you're getting ready for the the 26 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,920 New York City shake up run for the marathon that's. 27 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,320 True. Actually, if I'm, if I'm 28 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,680 thinking ahead of just sort of like group runs or things that 29 00:01:55,680 --> 00:02:01,400 I've got coming up, I will be in Toronto next weekend for the TCS 30 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:05,200 Toronto Waterfront Marathon. This is our second year working 31 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,080 with them. We're working directly with the 32 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,720 organizers this time and there's a 5K on Saturday. 33 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:12,760 Last year it was a fun, fun race. 34 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,600 I actually definitely put in a bit of an effort last year and I 35 00:02:16,600 --> 00:02:20,560 don't think I will be racing it this year, but I will be out 36 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,160 there hopefully running on Saturday morning. 37 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,080 So that's actually probably like the next time I'll be rocking a 38 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:29,560 bib. But no all out efforts on my 39 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:33,720 mind just quite yet. But then before we know it, New 40 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:35,640 York City Marathon weekend, we'll be here and like you said, 41 00:02:35,640 --> 00:02:38,640 like they'll be so many different events and shakeout 42 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:42,280 runs. I will not be in Chicago this 43 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:50,120 weekend because I've got my 6th and final wedding of 2025 taking 44 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:51,960 place this weekend in New York City. 45 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:56,400 So I won't even be able to attend the Athos meet on Friday, 46 00:02:56,400 --> 00:03:00,080 but I'll be at the long Jump event on Thursday. 47 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,680 And yeah, so it's quite the busy time. 48 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,480 We enjoyed a little bit of a break post Tokyo, but now things 49 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,680 are ramping up again. We even got some more news. 50 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:17,920 I guess we can start there. A pretty newsworthy article in 51 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:21,720 the Guardian last week with World Athletics president Seb 52 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:24,840 Coe talking to, I believe it was Sean Ingle who wrote the story. 53 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,120 And there's some newsy bits in there. 54 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,080 I think it was kind of just like a little temperature take of the 55 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:35,200 state of athletics. And among one of the things that 56 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:41,760 he that stood out was President Koh said that he's been in talks 57 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:47,040 with LA 2028 organizers about potentially moving some events 58 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:50,360 outside of the stadium. And that was. 59 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:54,720 So let's unpack that one first. Part of the reason was he 60 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,880 pointed to the Diamond League final in Zurich which where they 61 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:03,160 had the pole vault, the high jump. 62 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,160 Sharper high jump, long jump, Yeah. 63 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,200 Outside of the stadium. Yeah, and that, that, that, and 64 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:11,640 I think that specific event, I think there was a reason why he 65 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,400 was pointing that one, because I was there at that one in person 66 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,040 and it was incredible. Like that, that was that was one 67 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,800 of the best like experiences for experiencing field events. 68 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:26,320 They put a stand, a set of bleachers up in the town square. 69 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,080 So you've got, you know, you had seats for people to sit. 70 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:32,960 There was also a section where people could just wander in off 71 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,280 the street and, and we're just milling around and there were 72 00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:38,960 food stalls and there was drinks and, and everything. 73 00:04:39,280 --> 00:04:42,520 And like, the shop, for example, was on a raised platform so you 74 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,040 could see what was going on. It wasn't like, oh, there's 75 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:46,680 people standing in front of you, you can't see it. 76 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,320 So like all these field events going on, it was really visible. 77 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,480 It was really well organised. It was beautifully done. 78 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,000 And I mean, the mix zone was in an Opera House. 79 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:56,600 So I was loving it. It was, it was absolutely 80 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,160 stunning location to be, to be doing interviews as well. 81 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,920 But you know, I think it, it was a really great atmosphere, 82 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,720 really great, you know, way to engage people. 83 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,360 So in that sense, I think it was a huge success. 84 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,480 And obviously people were paying attention specifically to the 85 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,360 field events. Whilst when you're in a stadium, 86 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,120 right, if there's a race going on, if there's something else 87 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,840 going on like, or if you're on the far side of the stadium, you 88 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:24,480 can't see what's going on in that field event. 89 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:31,040 So I, I certainly think, you know, it's a great idea in that 90 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:32,280 sense. I'm not sure whether it's the 91 00:05:32,280 --> 00:05:34,080 right thing for the Olympics. I think it's definitely great 92 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:36,520 for the Diamond League final. I think for the Olympics, I 93 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,520 think I've actually spoken to a few, a few field inventors and 94 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,840 asked them this question and they said to me, look, we want 95 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:45,600 to, we'd love we, you know, we love these meats, but out, you 96 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:50,160 know, in, in like a indoor, like a small indoor meet or a, you 97 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:54,040 know, an out St. meet. But like if there's a stadium 98 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:55,240 meet we want, we'd rather be there. 99 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,040 Even though we're the focus of attention on street meet, the 100 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,760 stadium's kind of still, it's the thing that makes it really 101 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,120 special. I think I'm in agreeance with 102 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:09,000 you here where the athletes, if you ask them, it's OK if we do 103 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,120 this for the Diamond League final and for you know, the 104 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,600 occasional Diamond League throughout the season to be 105 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,320 outside of the stadium before in Olympics you want to be in the 106 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,960 stadium. I would 9 out of 10 athletes, 107 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:23,320 you probably ask him that's the case. 108 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:28,600 There's it's the Olympics. And also at that point too, you 109 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:34,000 are in, you're, you're taking center stage in the arena where 110 00:06:34,280 --> 00:06:38,160 it is filled with track fans or people who are there for track. 111 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:44,440 Whereas sometimes I see these street meet events like the, you 112 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,640 know, pole vault in the mall and pole vault on like the busiest 113 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:53,680 St. in Nashville or Austin, TX, wherever it might be. 114 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,520 You're kind of just looking to capture passerbyers like people 115 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,120 who will be just, oh, that's cool. 116 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,240 And I think that, you know, we'll, we'll talk about it in a 117 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,800 bit too with like Athos and the Times Square long jump event. 118 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,800 Like it's nice to be innovative and, and create a different 119 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,320 stage sometimes for the athletes, but that's not 120 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:20,400 necessarily, you know, for the track crowd and, and those kinds 121 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:22,960 of fans. You're, you're hoping to get the 122 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,520 tourist who's walking by in Times Square to stop and watch 123 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:28,760 for a couple minutes and say, OK, that was cool. 124 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,880 I don't necessarily think that those people are going home and 125 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:35,720 then all of a sudden becoming long jump fans and tuning into 126 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,120 the next Diamond League. Whereas when you have these 127 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,880 events already and keep them in the stadium, the fans who've 128 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,240 been watching them compete at all the other stadiums are 129 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:50,800 likely back there. So it's I could see where his 130 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,360 head is at in terms of just like, oh, this is a very popular 131 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,560 thing. But I think if you polled the 132 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:58,960 athletes, they would say no, let's not do this. 133 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,000 And yeah. Yeah. 134 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,600 I mean the only thing, only way I think it would work, but I 135 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,000 don't think it really makes sense is, you know, if you took 136 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,560 it to one of the other sort of purpose built venues for the 137 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,000 Olympics where you know, it is an outdoor venue, it's not in 138 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:14,480 the stadium. It's a bit more enclosed so you 139 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,680 can get a bit closer up and it's maybe OK, yes, it's a 5000 140 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,040 seater venue rather than a 60,000 seater venue. 141 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,880 But I think potentially, like you take it to a slightly 142 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,600 different venue and then obviously it does get a 143 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,960 spotlight. But I do think like obviously if 144 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,600 you're part of track and field, you want to be part of that 145 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,559 whole thing. Whilst obviously you can make it 146 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:39,360 a great Olympic event, but I think the athletes are obviously 147 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,760 just not that used to being separated out when it's 148 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,159 something as big as the Olympics. 149 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:48,080 I think the thing you also want to avoid is do not dare do this 150 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:54,240 for any of the track events. Like when in 2022, I believe it 151 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,320 was, they had the Diamond League final in Zurich and it was the 152 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,760 the made-up track that they had outside of like an Opera House. 153 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,760 That thing looked terrible. It looked like a safety hazard. 154 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,400 So don't you dare assemble a track. 155 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:11,240 Maybe you can try and host a high jump, pole vault, whatever 156 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,680 it is outside the stadium, but keep the track events inside the 157 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:15,280 stadium. That's where I land on it too. 158 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:21,400 The other newsworthy bit that Sebco dropped in this interview 159 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:28,440 was that he thinks it's likely that the Winter Olympics in 160 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:33,560 20-30, I believe it was, will add cross country to the 161 00:09:33,560 --> 00:09:35,880 program. There's a lot of other things 162 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,720 that need to happen in order for that to be a reality. 163 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:43,320 I think the Olympic charter needs to be adjusted and changed 164 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:46,720 because there are certain things about just sort of like the 165 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:51,200 events having to be contested in on snow or ice or whatever it 166 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,520 is. And then the number of athletes 167 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:59,320 that compete at Olympics is also another hard cap that has been a 168 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,640 challenge. So if you're adding this sport 169 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:06,160 where you kind of adjusting the quota elsewhere and plus 170 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,640 another, adding another venue to things, the plus side is that 171 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:15,600 the thought is you could contest cross country on the same course 172 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:20,240 as cyclocross, which that'd be cool. 173 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:27,720 And he pointed at the idea that this would open up the Winter 174 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:32,080 Olympics to more African nations to potentially medal at these 175 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,200 events. I thought that was a funny point 176 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:39,480 to raise when Africa didn't have as good of a World Championships 177 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:43,720 this past September in those distance events. 178 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,600 Like I think this you could point to this World 179 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,920 Championships as like the one that Europe started to have a 180 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:53,040 couple breakout moments with Jimmy Gressier and even just 181 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,280 like the likes of. So it's like, oh, this, this 182 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,760 sounds great in theory for us to add these medal opportunities 183 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:02,000 for some E Africans. But don't you remember it's like 184 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:07,000 someone like Jimmy Gressier, Yako Bingo Brits and Neil Zaros. 185 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,360 They're pretty good at cross country too. 186 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,480 So you might just be creating another opportunity for those 187 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:13,920 athletes to win more medals. Yeah. 188 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,000 I mean, obviously it's not just about the medals though. 189 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:18,240 I think it's about participation because at the moment there's, 190 00:11:18,600 --> 00:11:22,880 because there is very little snow and ice in Africa. 191 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:27,360 There is 0 participation from, from those countries and in fact 192 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,760 from a lot of other Asian nations and, and, and, and, and 193 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,200 other, other nations around the world as well. 194 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:36,080 Like even, you know, the UK has very limited participation in 195 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:41,280 the Winter Olympics and, you know, it's kind of trying to get 196 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:45,440 in some ways, you know, trying to get get more participation 197 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:48,160 from all parts of the world, which if you have a hook to 198 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:52,760 bring those nations in to watch the Olympics, it grows that 199 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:57,320 Winter Olympic product outside of, you know, the nations where 200 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:01,560 it is currently very popular in certain parts of Europe, Russia 201 00:12:01,560 --> 00:12:03,480 or Africa. Yeah, it's Russia, sorry. 202 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,000 And that sort of and, and Canada and places like that. 203 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:09,520 So, you know, it is kind of that's what it's trying to 204 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,760 achieve and I think that's a that's a good idea. 205 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:20,320 Chicago, Chicago, Chicago, we are coming in hot, extra cheese 206 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,600 and extra speed because we're taking over a pizza shop for 207 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,280 this one. This upcoming weekend we're 208 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,280 teaming up with Hoka at Happy Camper Chicago. 209 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,480 It's an Old Town for marathon weekend. 210 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:35,760 Come hang out at the Hoka Cheer Zone where we'll be hosting a 211 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,600 live alternate broadcast. Watch along of the men's and 212 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,560 women's elite races. It's the place where you'll be 213 00:12:42,560 --> 00:12:46,760 able to get real time reactions, our own commentary, splits and 214 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,000 insights from Eric Jenkins, Karen Lesowitz, Paul Hoff 215 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:53,880 Mahoney and myself. Yes, we'll also have some 216 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,440 surprise giveaways for marathon finishers. 217 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,280 If you are in Chicago, you do not want to miss it. 218 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,440 We'll be unveiling what the commemorative item will be in 219 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:07,040 the coming days. The stream will kick off Sunday 220 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:10,400 at 7:15 AM Central Time. So TuneIn. 221 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,880 And don't miss a chance to try the brand new Rocket X3 and the 222 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,720 Up Tempo Mock X3. If you're in Chicago and can 223 00:13:18,720 --> 00:13:22,440 attend the Hoka Hub at the Marathon Expo all weekend long. 224 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,400 Hoka's got tons of events lined up. 225 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:27,800 Wednesday, October 8th. The One Chicago Dinner for all 226 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:31,440 of the run crews in attendance hosted by Peace Runners 773. 227 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,000 Friday, October 10th there's some poster making, sushi bites 228 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:38,960 and mini recovery sessions out of the Hoka Chicago store. 229 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:42,920 Saturday, October 11th there's a Shake Out run with Free People 230 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,560 movement out of their place. Sunday, October 12th, custom 231 00:13:46,560 --> 00:13:50,680 shoe art by muralist Amuse 126 with some live music. 232 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,280 And then the day after the race you're going to want to remember 233 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:56,800 that moment, the performance. There's metal engravings hosted 234 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,560 by 7:00 on Sunday out of Frame Chicago. 235 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:04,640 You can RSVP, get the addresses, the times, all of the details 236 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,000 through Hoka's Eventbrite link in the show notes. 237 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,400 We've also linked to it on the Sidious Mag Instagram bio. 238 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:16,680 So check it all out today. We will see you soon, Chicago. 239 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,880 There's the global warming element too, too, where 240 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,800 sometimes it's like, oh, the thought is we're going to run 241 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:25,160 this thing in a place where it's cold and snowy. 242 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,320 And then, and then it's just sort of like the way that the 243 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,760 whole world is going. It's probably going to be a 50° 244 00:14:31,760 --> 00:14:33,440 day. There won't be any snow on the 245 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,880 ground. And maybe you have to add 246 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,920 artificial snow like some of these past Winter Olympics have 247 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,160 done. But it's again, another cool 248 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:47,000 idea in theory, I guess I'll believe it as there are more 249 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,920 steps being taken to make it into a reality. 250 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:55,360 But it's clear, I guess, like Seb's trying to get a couple of 251 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,080 more things done before his term is finally over. 252 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,760 And I forget when that is. It's coming up soon. 253 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:05,360 He's got another two years, I think, as president. 254 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:10,600 And then he can't run again unless he, you know, tries to 255 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:15,520 change the, the term limits and says, I, I can run for 1/3 time. 256 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:21,360 Sounds familiar to to me. But anyway, that that's the the 257 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,680 article. I think that is that was 258 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,960 newsworthy last week. I'm sure we're going to get more 259 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:32,200 offseason news and stories coming along, particularly 260 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,240 working on one that will come out later this week that I think 261 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,400 will be very interesting in a conversation starter for some 262 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:40,320 people. So stay tuned for for more on 263 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:41,040 that. I'll just leave. 264 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,200 I'll just tease it at that. I haven't even told you, Preet. 265 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:48,400 Yeah, what it is. All right, let's get into Athos 266 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:53,280 first, because it is taking place on Thursday and Friday. 267 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:56,960 Thursday there's an event in Times Square where they're 268 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:01,800 shutting down a portion of it to create a runway and a sand pit, 269 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,560 and they're going to have a long jump competition. 270 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:10,360 Let me pull up the list of athletes. 271 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,840 This is a little bit different from last year. 272 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:16,840 I feel like in the sense of just the meat has been announcing 273 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:21,880 athletes all throughout the season and it's like there is a 274 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:26,160 roster on the website, but it's not as quite aligned to who I've 275 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,040 heard is is running or isn't running. 276 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:34,160 Unfortunately, like the The Meat has been hit by a couple big 277 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,840 withdrawals. Melissa Jefferson Wooden, the 278 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:42,880 triple gold medalist from Tokyo and most recently a guest here 279 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:45,720 on the City of Smack podcast, will not be running. 280 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:52,040 Kerry Richardson, who is one of the owners of the team concept 281 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:56,440 that Athos is looking to explore in 2026 is not running. 282 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:01,640 Gabby Thomas, same another part owner of the team concept for 283 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:06,920 2026, is not running. So those are three big names. 284 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,839 Sidney McLaughlin, Liveroni never, you know, was confirmed 285 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:14,839 for the this meet. And so some of those flat 286 00:17:14,839 --> 00:17:19,440 sprints events are missing some some key stars. 287 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:25,480 It's last year I think you had a little bit more of the Olympic 288 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,560 hype behind some of the top stars continuing and extending 289 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:32,880 their season. This time around, I guess I'm 290 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,120 quickly looking at it. Amy Hunt is the headliner in the 291 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:40,360 200 against Brittany Brown, a Navy battle, Mackenzie Long, so 292 00:17:40,360 --> 00:17:43,680 that that should be a good race in the 100. 293 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:49,000 None of the world championship medalists are in it. 294 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,720 There are 6 athletes in the field that I'm seeing on the 295 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,880 website and I think the only one to make the World championship 296 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,160 or the only two to make the world Championship final. 297 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:04,240 Caleb White, Marijoze Talu, 100 hurdles. 298 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,160 This might be one of the the better events because it is so 299 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,560 deep globally. You have the Olympic champion, 300 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,320 Messiah Russell, who did not come away with the medal at the 301 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,160 World Championships, going up against Grey Stark, who earned 302 00:18:18,280 --> 00:18:22,760 the bronze medal in Tokyo. And you kind of, you know, for 303 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:25,280 when I look at just sort of the start list on this one, I think 304 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:28,440 Masai has been vocal about trying to come away with the win 305 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:33,200 here after one of the big misses of the first year is Jasmine 306 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:37,440 Camacho Quinn Fall started in that women's hundred hurdle race 307 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:43,840 last year and it wasn't called back and it cost Masai Russell 308 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:46,680 the win in that race. I think Masai ended up finishing 309 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:51,760 second. And so, you know, it's a that's 310 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,960 where it gets a little funky of just sort of like what exactly 311 00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:59,680 what what, what some of the purpose of these races are. 312 00:19:00,360 --> 00:19:04,360 Women's 400 should be good. More Lady Paulino versus Salva 313 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:07,520 Ed Nasser for like the 50th time this year. 314 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:12,480 No Sydney, like we said, but we get one more duel between those 315 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:16,160 two grades to close things out. The 8, the 800 and mile. 316 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:18,600 Honestly, it might be their strongest fields. 317 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:23,320 You have Olympic champion Kelly Hodgkinson up against former 318 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:29,240 world champion Mary Mora and also world championship silver 319 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:34,000 medalist Georgia Hunter Bell. So I mean, those are the the big 320 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,680 three in the field. No Lillian Odira, the reigning 321 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:42,360 world champion, a full international field. 322 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:47,240 And then over in the mile, Faith Kapiagon returns after winning 323 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:53,360 last year's 1500 race will be up against Gutaf Sagai, Nikki Hiltz 324 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,320 for Winnie Hilu and Susan Ajor Sanders. 325 00:19:56,360 --> 00:19:59,760 Jess Hall was previously announced for the for the meet. 326 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:04,000 But then, as you probably caught from her appearance on the 327 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:08,280 podcast last week, she's called it a season and is already 328 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,160 resting and recovering. So. 329 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:15,680 Here's the thing about just sort of one of the challenges to 330 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:20,440 having this meet in October is trying to convince the top stars 331 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:26,600 to extend the season when that 1% consists of the Gabby Thomas, 332 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,400 Sidney McLaughlin, Lovroney, Melissa Jefferson Wooden. 333 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:33,120 They've made their money already, I think during the 334 00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:36,080 World Championships and all throughout the season. 335 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,720 Everyone has their different reasons for why they may not be, 336 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:41,800 you know, competing this weekend for Gabby. 337 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,480 It could be still coming back from injury. 338 00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:47,280 But when you look at someone like Sydney, she's one of the, 339 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:52,440 you know, the highest paid athletes in the sport. 60K 340 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:56,120 doesn't really move the needle for her to show up to a meet 341 00:20:56,120 --> 00:21:00,440 like this, I think. And then someone like Melissa 342 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,440 Jefferson wouldn't was signed up for it, but she made quite a bit 343 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:09,000 of money this year with all of the races that she did, bonuses 344 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,040 that she kicked in with winning at the World Championships. 345 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:19,080 So the last couple weeks to train through what is it? 346 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,120 It's been 3 weeks since since Tokyo. 347 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,320 It can be a lot to hold that form. 348 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,360 I don't necessarily think we're going to see the best Keely 349 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:30,800 Hodgkinson that we saw in that first Diamond League. 350 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,040 She had a later start to the season, but I'm reading into 351 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,360 Instagram Stories like she's enjoying her time, her downtime 352 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:43,840 since the World Championships and this all kind of, you know, 353 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,040 my big conclusion around this event and where it sits on the 354 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:50,440 schedule. It's a great celebration of 355 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:55,160 these amazing premier athletes. The outcomes of these races 356 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,320 don't necessarily really mean a whole lot. 357 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:01,680 They're going to get paid. They're going to take home a, a, 358 00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,680 a cool crown and trophy. But it's still, at the end of 359 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,800 the day, I don't think that there's going to be any world 360 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,880 record that's going to be set. There's that, you know, they're 361 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:17,480 touting out a $250,000 bonus for anyone who breaks a world record 362 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,120 in October. It's a cool headline and it's 363 00:22:20,120 --> 00:22:25,640 it's catchy, but on on social, but the reality isn't I I think 364 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:26,960 you can look at most of the world records. 365 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:30,800 No one's broken a world record in October and I was looking 366 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:35,800 through just sort of like a lot of the October all time marks 367 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,280 will probably fall, But that's because we're we're not 368 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,360 accustomed to having a meet of this level at this point in the 369 00:22:41,360 --> 00:22:44,960 season. So it's a great celebration. 370 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:48,840 I continue to think of in this event as something like how they 371 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:55,440 do in gymnastics, where the top athletes take their victory lap 372 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,960 and tour and they go from city to city so that people can get 373 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,440 to see these top stars in action, but the actual results 374 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,960 don't. Like no one's going to really be 375 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,760 talking about the outcome of this race 2 weeks from now. 376 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,320 Yeah, I mean, we know like last year in the 1500 that was fate 377 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:19,800 if Faith KPI guns first slower than four minute 1500 in five or 378 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,600 six years or something. So you know that that's the kind 379 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,320 of thing that that we sort of got. 380 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,800 I mean, at the same time, I think Keely Hodgkinson, as much 381 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:30,960 fun as she's having, I think she's still got a point to prove 382 00:23:31,120 --> 00:23:33,080 having not won that world championship final. 383 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:39,120 So I think she will go out there to really kind of lay it down on 384 00:23:39,120 --> 00:23:41,120 this field. I think she's going to be angry 385 00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:43,720 like when she get when she when she gets racing, I think. 386 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:45,680 And and because she's had a later start to the season, I 387 00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,440 think she's probably the one athlete that isn't as kind of 388 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,880 probably tired or exhausted from long season. 389 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,520 I think I'm quite glad that we've got Megan Tapper in the 390 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,280 100 hurdles because she obviously missed the World 391 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:05,480 Championships through injury and she's coming back here and 392 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:07,840 getting a chance to race. So that that's pretty cool. 393 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:12,960 But yeah, I mean, you're you're right that I'm not, you know, 394 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:16,720 world records are a pipe dream. And the point in the season that 395 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,320 this is unless they change that affloss is just going to be 396 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:24,640 this, you know, it's like, why not just have a party for the 397 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,960 athletes at this point? Because even if, you know, they 398 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,080 signed up Melissa Jefferson Wooden, right? 399 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,200 And then once she cleared her 3 gold medal, she was like, Nah, 400 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,960 I'm not doing it right. And it's like, OK, yes, she's 401 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,800 actually turning up to do a meet and greet with the fans, which 402 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,480 is great. But it's like, you know, you're 403 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:45,920 going to have, you know, even if you, you know, they signed up 404 00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,160 Jess Holt, she's not doing it. Like they've signed up a number 405 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,200 of athletes who then decided once the World Championships 406 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,320 happens that they, they, they don't want to do it. 407 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:57,000 So I, I, I, I, my worry is that that that's going to be a 408 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,680 perennial problem for this, for this meeting. 409 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,840 I mean, it's a perennial problem for every meet and track and 410 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:02,840 field. But at the same time, at this 411 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:08,040 point in the season, it's just more likely to be an issue and 412 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,680 it's more likely to be, you know, we know that there's no 413 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:12,960 penalty for athletes missing meets. 414 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,360 And I think for this one, there isn't just as much incentive 415 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:20,440 other than the money to actually kind of, you know, lay down a 416 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,040 time or anything. It's do what you can but but 417 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,680 just enjoy it. And it'll be interesting to see 418 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:34,000 what this women's team league concept takes shape as in in 419 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,000 2026. There have been few details 420 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,680 shared so far. I'm sure they're still sort of 421 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,980 solidifying how many people are going to be part of a quote UN 422 00:25:42,980 --> 00:25:49,080 quote team is like I I'm still just a little confused by how it 423 00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:53,160 will all work with so many athletes being tied to different 424 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,200 sponsors. And are we going to be doing 425 00:25:56,200 --> 00:26:01,360 sponsors by teams by sponsor? So it's a little bit of a of a 426 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:07,240 head scratcher, but will they expand to do other meets in the 427 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:12,680 lead up or I think one thing that I kind of was thinking is 428 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,400 like, do they just start to because they do seem to have a 429 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,440 bit more synergy with World Athletics. 430 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,600 And you see Alexis, you know, sitting and and talking at 431 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:27,040 events alongside Cepco and John Ridgen that they're, you know, 432 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,840 working hand in hand with World Athletics. 433 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,280 I'm sure World Athletics likes to see just, you know, someone 434 00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,800 with deep pockets willing to get into the game. 435 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:42,240 But like, are they going to go and make ex Diamond League race 436 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,800 into a qualifying race for Athos? 437 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:47,920 And you try and weave that through line all throughout the 438 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,920 season. Like, I just don't know quite 439 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,040 yet. Like, what are the moments it 440 00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:57,200 can have beyond just being this exhibition where the results 441 00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,040 don't matter in October? That is a celebration for the 442 00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,840 athletes. And so, yeah, so that's why it's 443 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,840 just sort of like when it when we were talking before this 444 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,440 podcast and we were kind of planning out, you know, I was 445 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:10,960 like, all right, we're going to spend a lot of time talking 446 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:15,960 about Chicago because you know, that race does matter and and 447 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,800 the results are, you know, very going to be very interesting. 448 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,520 And we have a lot more data points to look at when it comes 449 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,880 to what what it what it ultimately does mean. 450 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,400 This again, I just, you know, said it was like I we we didn't 451 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,800 really end up talking a whole lot about and we forgot that 452 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,400 faith kept being on ran like four O 7 four O 4, whatever it 453 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,280 was last year in the 1500 to win, you know, $60,000. 454 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,480 And only reason I remember the women's 100 hurdles result of 455 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,880 last year is because I do think Jasmine Camacho Quinn fall 456 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,360 started in that race. And you remember, you know, 457 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:55,800 Brittany Brown beating Gabby in the 200 because so much of this 458 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,960 event was built around Gabby and the fact that, you know, 459 00:27:59,960 --> 00:28:04,680 Brittany Brown ended up making a lot of money in 3536 seconds, 460 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,600 whatever it was. But that's about like that's 461 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,560 about it. Like, I can't really tell you a 462 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,800 whole lot else about, you know, the times and performances, but 463 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:15,240 I can tell you that a lot of people had a great time. 464 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:16,680 The athletes had a great experience. 465 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,320 And it is nice that the you know, the venture is is taking 466 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,440 place because you know, we don't have that many of the and we 467 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,160 have the pre classic all the way out in Eugene, OR And this is 468 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,720 just a nice thing to have in a major city like New York. 469 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:34,360 So that is. Well, should we just quickly 470 00:28:34,360 --> 00:28:38,280 talk about the long jump because the the long jump obviously is 471 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,240 taking place in Times Square or so we thought. 472 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:46,400 So we thought until I told you earlier this afternoon that the 473 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,320 long jump actually taking place in Times Square is not the long 474 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,680 jump. You're not going to the long 475 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,720 jump, Chris. You're going to the qualifying 476 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,920 for the long jump. Yeah, you, you should have saved 477 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,040 dropping this on me until so I could have given a little bit 478 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:05,000 more of a live reaction because when I learned this, I was just 479 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:09,160 like, what? So the long jump taking place in 480 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,360 Times Square on Thursday night is just the qualifying. 481 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:20,080 There's six competitors and three will go on to compete in 482 00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:30,840 the final on Friday, which so I guess like, even if you, the 483 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,880 casual fan and the, the, the tourist who, you know, just 484 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,760 snapped a photo with Times Square Elmo, who then is just 485 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:40,600 popping by to see what this whole crowd is about. 486 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,960 They're, they're not, they're not going to tune in and watch 487 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,040 on on Friday. They will just see people, you 488 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:50,200 know, clearing long distances while jumping and, and be 489 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,680 mesmerized by it. I don't, they're not necessarily 490 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:59,040 paying attention to the results. So I in one way I'm like, OK, 491 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:00,840 cool. I guess like they're calling it 492 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:07,840 three winners of of Thursday to decide 1 winner on Friday. 493 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,800 But I was kind of like just have the whole competition in Times 494 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,240 Square. That would have been just more 495 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,120 riveting. Oh, it's just a qualifier. 496 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:20,440 I think like the, you know, you, I, I think it yeah. 497 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,600 It just would have been better if it all got settled on one 498 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,840 night, then allow those long jump athletes to be part of the 499 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:32,320 fun and celebrate and do you know, media and interact with 500 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,560 fans on on that Friday night, especially someone like Tara who 501 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,440 is very engaging. And I'm sure like they'll be 502 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,000 able to do that after they're done competing. 503 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,160 But you could have given them the the full day if that was the 504 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,080 case. So I thought it was silly when I 505 00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:48,240 found out that it was just qualifying that I'm going to go 506 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:52,720 watch on on Thursday. So yeah. 507 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:58,480 And I guess nothing's stopping them from saying, OK, you know 508 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,080 what, actually, all six of you can jump on on Friday, too. 509 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:05,920 Like, you made the trip all the way out here. 510 00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:12,280 So yeah, again, I've never been one who's been a huge fan of 511 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:17,200 like, the pole vault in the mall and some of those St. 512 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,840 Meet elements. Because again, it's you're not, 513 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,160 you're hooking, you're, you're hooking a, a passerby, not 514 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,200 necessarily someone who's there for track that you're going to 515 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,800 keep for a long time. They're just going to walk away 516 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,840 and tell their friend that was cool and that's it. 517 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,640 So it'll be interesting to see like I've never seen Times 518 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,640 Square shut down for long jumper, I guess any track event. 519 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,720 So yeah, I'll be there Thursday to watch that. 520 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,840 And then unfortunately you have to miss the meat on on Friday, 521 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,440 but I'll TuneIn and catch sneak some glimpses at my phone on the 522 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,240 broadcast. It's broadcast on ION or 523 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,640 something like that ion channel I've never heard of. 524 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,680 And so, but then again, I think like it's accessible on YouTube, 525 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:12,040 the Zone, ESPN, like they cast a really wide net last year and 526 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,520 they touted, I still don't necessarily believe these 527 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,520 numbers. They tout like 3,000,000 viewers 528 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:25,040 for the broadcast last year, but so much of that probably comes 529 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:30,080 from a big chunk of Twitter or X viewership. 530 00:32:30,760 --> 00:32:35,600 And ever since Elon Musk took over that platform, it's been a 531 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,440 hell hole. But it's still the place for 532 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,120 live sports. But the way that Twitter counts 533 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,480 video views, it's just like, I think if you just look at it for 534 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,600 2 seconds, it counts as a view. And so that's why like if you're 535 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,080 just scrolling and if you promoted the, the actual tweet 536 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,920 with money backing so that ends up on people's feeds, that's how 537 00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,800 I think. Like, I think those numbers were 538 00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:03,600 juiced. And so I'd, I'd, I'd be more 539 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,920 interested in what the TV viewership numbers are or like 540 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,520 the streaming viewership, but streaming viewership numbers are 541 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:14,560 always kind of held pretty private by the streamers when 542 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,960 they're not necessarily needed to disclose them. 543 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:22,000 So, yeah, all right, let's move on to Chicago Marathon because 544 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,680 I'm really excited about this one. 545 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:33,240 We've got pretty stacked elite fields on the men's side and and 546 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,320 on the women's side too. There's there's some interesting 547 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:40,840 storylines to watch, but it feels like we're on world record 548 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:46,400 watch a little bit. John career came on this podcast 549 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:51,600 last year after the Chicago Marathon and or may have been 550 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,520 after Boston, one of the two and said that he wants to take a 551 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,480 crack at, you know, the world record someday. 552 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,560 He's run. I believe his PB is two O 244. 553 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,360 He won Chicago last year and and ran that in Chicago last year. 554 00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:11,040 He won Boston in dominant fashion this year actually not 555 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,880 dominant fashion. He was coming back to to those 556 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,320 guys toward the very end. So he's got a case for being the 557 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:22,199 best marathoner in the world and reason to believe that he can 558 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,880 chip off sometime. 2 minutes is a lot of time to cut off on a 559 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,920 marathon PB. And then you got Jacob Kiplimo 560 00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,080 who just made his debut at the London Marathon in April and 561 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,480 finished second and he ended up running two O 337. 562 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,719 But when you look at what he's run for the half marathon, what 563 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:46,520 is it? It's 50. 6-6 yeah, 5642. 564 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,360 It's his world record which is bananas. 565 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:55,480 It's nasty. And so in the perfect world now 566 00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:00,400 you start to think like could he be the guy to to break the world 567 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,720 record and even just like start to dream and and sniff sub two 568 00:35:05,720 --> 00:35:10,160 in a legal race? Calvin Kiptom was a freak of 569 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:14,680 nature to run two O 1 twice in his debut, then the London 570 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,720 Marathon, then to come away and run 2 hours and 35 seconds at 571 00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:23,240 the Chicago Marathon. A tremendous talent and taken 572 00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:27,760 way too soon from this world where he was gearing up for the 573 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,840 Rotterdam Marathon and then, you know, dies tragically in a car 574 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:34,560 accident two months before the race. 575 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,480 So it's a big what if. It's actually like, you know, as 576 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,600 I'm writing the marathon book, it's one of the things I'm going 577 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,160 to explore. It's just like the big what if 578 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,200 of, like Calvin Kipten and remembering just like that 2023 579 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,320 race and what made that day so special. 580 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,120 I thought that this would be a record that stands for a long 581 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,320 time. And then what we've seen just 582 00:35:56,320 --> 00:36:01,360 sort of with advances in shoe technology and Ruth Chepingenich 583 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,880 breaking our brains last year, just sort of like, yeah, I guess 584 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:11,560 you can start taking big chunks of time off of records, but two 585 00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:15,960 hours and 35 minutes is a lot. Connor Mance on the CDs Meg 586 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:21,240 podcast just yesterday said that the rumor right now is that they 587 00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:25,360 will be going through the first half targeting 60 minutes and 30 588 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,120 seconds. That is, I believe, 18 seconds 589 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,080 faster than Kelvin Kiptom's split in the first half of 590 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,680 Chicago when he broke his world record. 591 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:36,400 And then Kiptom obviously negative split the whole thing 592 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:41,080 and ran 5948 or 5947 I think in the second-half of it. 593 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:48,720 Insane. So those are the two big dogs up 594 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:52,600 at the front of the race who I believe like that's like the the 595 00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:57,000 tier A match up. You got a couple other sub 2O 596 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,000 four guys. Timothy Kipl got around two O 597 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,280 255. I believe he was Kiptom's 598 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:07,920 training partner at one point, Amos Kipruto, Cybrian Kotoot, 599 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,640 who was closing hard on career in Boston. 600 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:17,280 He's also in the field. And so I guess Preet, what are 601 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:19,720 you looking at for this front end of the race? 602 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:25,720 Do you see it as Kiplimo versus career and maybe another dark 603 00:37:25,720 --> 00:37:29,360 horse surprise sleeper or? Yeah. 604 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,120 What do you think? Yeah, obviously Korea versus 605 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,320 Kiplimo is the match up we we think is going to be there. 606 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,240 I mean, we shouldn't write off Amos Caputo. 607 00:37:36,240 --> 00:37:40,120 He's he's kind of been up there with with winning major 608 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,800 marathons in the past. Bashir Abdi, obviously silver 609 00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:48,960 medallist at the Olympics, he's someone who has a two or three 610 00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:54,160 PB. He has taken much of this year 611 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,080 kind of struggling after the Olympics. 612 00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,280 It's it's kind of hit him really hard is, is what he's his campus 613 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,800 said. So hopefully now that he's he's 614 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,880 on the start line, he he's feeling good, but he's someone 615 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,120 who could be a threat. And I think the other dark 616 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:11,680 horses that I think could mix it up. 617 00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,840 Daniel Abenio was the silver medalist in 10,000 meters a 618 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:21,200 couple of years ago and he he sort of made a 206 debut last 619 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,640 year in in Chicago. But obviously now with, with 620 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,440 that experience on Roosevelt, he's the kind of guy who's got 621 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,520 the sort of talent that could, could, could actually 622 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,760 breakthrough. So I think that there are some 623 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:34,800 people who who could really breakthrough as well. 624 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:39,520 But yes, obviously we are expecting it to be a battle with 625 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:44,360 John career and Jake. And I think Kaplimo after London 626 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,320 where I think he just missed Solways move to be honest. 627 00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,640 Like Solway made a move at the drink station in London. 628 00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,880 Kaplimo missed it completely. And then he was like, it's not 629 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,280 worth trying to catch him. And then obviously he didn't 630 00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:58,760 really have anyone to compete with. 631 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,000 So he was just kind of then ended up comfortably in, in 632 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:07,440 second and, and didn't really kind of push himself at the end. 633 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,440 So, or I don't think he did, you know, that was kind of how he 634 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:13,200 looked from the outside. But I, I think there's a chance 635 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,040 then if he, if he's in the right place, that he could really do 636 00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:21,520 something special here. 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Kiplimo's move to the roads was 675 00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:32,240 a A+ debut. I would say to finish second in 676 00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:37,360 that race and he was closing so hard down the mall right to the 677 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,680 finish line. It's got it went obviously 10 678 00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,600 times better than Joshua Cheptaguy's debut. 679 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:50,920 And so we've seen just sort of just like a bit more of marathon 680 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,440 prowess immediately from Kiplymo. 681 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,960 That gives me some hope that he will be pretty close up to 682 00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,240 career and I think he'll be willing to cover careers moves. 683 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,600 Mance pointed out that careers big move always comes at AT30K 684 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,560 and if you've gone back and watched both Boston and Chicago, 685 00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,680 I think like that's if it's if he's going to stick it to that 686 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,240 plan, then I think that it makes something like that easier for 687 00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:23,560 Kiplimo to not know not to, you know, fall asleep at the wheel 688 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,720 there and cover that move. I am with you too on just a 689 00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:32,760 Benyo potentially just given his 10K record that he could be 690 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:36,360 someone who could mix it up a bit more and be up there. 691 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,120 So yeah, there are a couple of their names, but I still think 692 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:45,760 it's career versus Kiplimo. We will hold on predictions and 693 00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:50,920 save it because Eric Jenkins, Karen Lesowitz and Paul Hoff 694 00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:55,560 Mahoney will be sharing their final insights. 695 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,240 Paul will be at the press conference on Friday and then 696 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,000 they will be doing a final prediction and preview show on 697 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:05,080 on Saturday that you'll catch on this feed live from Happy Camper 698 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:10,640 in Old Town in Chicago as we flip it to the city's pizzeria 699 00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,920 presented by Hoka. So if you are in Chicago this 700 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:18,800 weekend, stop on by to Happy Camper in Old Town and the 701 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,520 city's crew will be there. Tons of giveaways. 702 00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,800 We got a bunch of merch and we're giving away these 703 00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:28,040 commemorative beer glasses to I believe it's the first 100 704 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,960 finishers who stopped by on Sunday. 705 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,000 And you will be able, you'll get the beer glass. 706 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:37,600 And then I think Eric, Paul, Karen, whoever's on site will 707 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,360 write your time on the glass as well. 708 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:48,040 So quick plug there for our sponsors, Hoka, who we love to 709 00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:50,720 spend marathon weekends with here in the States. 710 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,600 All right behind that now the subplot and the second most 711 00:43:55,600 --> 00:44:00,080 interesting story of of the Chicago Marathon is the American 712 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,040 record hunt by Conor Mance, who will be looking to take down 713 00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:07,960 Khalid Canucci's two O 538 American record. 714 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:15,720 He could also try and take down Cam Levens's two O 536 I believe 715 00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:21,800 North American record, which funny enough, Rory Linklater 716 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,960 also in this race, he could be going for that as well. 717 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,520 So a nice little duel between Connor Mance and Rory Linklater 718 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,640 could ensue for that North American record. 719 00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:36,800 But my thinking is that Mance is, you know, solely thinking 720 00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,640 about, you know, going as fast as he can in this one and 721 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:44,880 finishing as high as possible. Two O 538 doesn't sound crazy 722 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,800 for Mance when he just ran two O 517. 723 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:53,400 I believe it was at the 2O5O8 at the Boston Marathon. 724 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,240 Doesn't count for the record books because Boston is a non 725 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:01,560 record eligible course. But he's got a chance to make it 726 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,640 official here at the Chicago Marathon. 727 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:11,840 So he has his own pacemaker. It will be Titus Kiplagod or 728 00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:13,400 Chariot. I forget what it is. 729 00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,080 It's one of the popular Kenyan last names who will be with him. 730 00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:22,440 He was a two O 5 marathoner from the Tokyo Marathon back in 731 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:26,760 April, so if he's got this guy to go 30K with him and then he 732 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:31,920 can just get into racing the bodies ahead of him, I think 733 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,800 that that could bode really well for Connor's chances of getting 734 00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,480 this record. The caveat is the weather. 735 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:41,200 It looks like it keeps swinging and changing. 736 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,480 It's Chicago. Like it could just flip entirely 737 00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,960 4824 hours out and some people were pointing out it might be a 738 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,240 little bit warm. So when you when you hear that 739 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,560 Kaplimo career might be going 6030 at the front end and 740 00:45:56,560 --> 00:46:00,080 there's could be some other bodies that go with them, that 741 00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:05,680 creates a scenario for lots of carnage to pick up in that in 742 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,320 the later stages of the race if Connor plays his cards right. 743 00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:16,160 So I'll be curious to see in that final 10K how many bodies 744 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:19,640 he's managing to pass because he just happened to play it a 745 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:23,800 little bit more conservatively. And other people will feel the 746 00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:27,640 wrath of going out so damn hard because Chicago is one of those 747 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,040 places where you catch a hot and humid day. 748 00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,640 I experienced that in 2021 when I ran the race. 749 00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:37,440 Those last couple miles can be miserable with how warm it could 750 00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,120 get. So weather is the only a little 751 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,560 interesting wrench that I think comes into play with how high 752 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,080 Connor can place. Because if he runs, I say two O 753 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:53,440 435 like most years in Chicago, that can get you pretty damn 754 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,400 high. But maybe even on the podium. 755 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,280 But we'll see, just like how many other guys choose to go 756 00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:05,120 with Career and Kiplimo looking to fall somewhere in that 2O2 to 757 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,760 2O3 range. But then again, like I also 758 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:13,720 don't know if Connor has 2O3 high on his mind. 2O4 low. 759 00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:18,800 He said he would keep his cards close to his chest on like what 760 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:22,160 his actual time and play schools are until he comes back on the 761 00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:26,200 podcast on Tuesday. Yeah, I mean, I, I think with 762 00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:30,240 with Connor, it's like there is that big question, right? 763 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:35,560 Does he take the really big swing and say, look, this, this 764 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,840 could be my best chance to run something really crazy. 765 00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:39,600 Can I put a two or three on the board? 766 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,520 But then does he have to go out quick enough to do that? 767 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,760 And then obviously risk that he doesn't, you know, he blows up a 768 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,200 little bit and doesn't even get the American record, which he's 769 00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,400 targeting that that's I guess the risk that you've always got 770 00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,760 to take as a marathoner. That, or does he just try and 771 00:47:56,760 --> 00:48:03,320 lock in that 205 American record collector's bonus, etcetera, 772 00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,440 etcetera. And then, you know, maybe have 773 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,200 another go at a fast time where he, he then swings for the 774 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:13,720 fences and, and can go for 2:03 once he has that American record 775 00:48:13,720 --> 00:48:16,600 and re spell. And I, I don't know, because the 776 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,400 issue is if you're a marathoner, like in your career, how many 777 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,880 chances do you get right? And what's coming next? 778 00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:26,160 You just don't know and you know, he's been fortunate to be 779 00:48:26,200 --> 00:48:27,600 really healthy for a couple of years now. 780 00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:31,800 So that's just a big question as to which one of the two and 781 00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,320 what. What was your sense after 782 00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:37,240 speaking to him? Yeah, I didn't get to continue 783 00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:40,160 the conversation much longer off the record with him. 784 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:44,600 I, I. So The thing is, I wouldn't be 785 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:52,040 shocked if he runs two O 348 and it wouldn't shock me if he runs 786 00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:56,200 two O 455 or something like that. 787 00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,240 Like I see him somewhere in like that legitimate. 788 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:07,800 I do think that he could run 2O3 high or two O 5, you know, O one 789 00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:09,960 or something like that. Like, that's just like the range 790 00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,920 of success that I see for him in this one, depending on how he 791 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,920 decides to weigh that risk and reward. 792 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,240 The other. I think like a little thing that 793 00:49:19,240 --> 00:49:22,400 the little carrot that must be in his subconscious is like, how 794 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:27,680 far can I move? The goal posts for Clayton Young 795 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,960 because now his training partner Clayton Young has decided I've 796 00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,960 enjoyed my experience not having to run a marathon with Connor. 797 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:40,160 I'm going to go do one again before this year is over. 798 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,960 He's going out over to Valencia. There's a great crop of 799 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,400 Americans heading over to Valencia to try and run fast. 800 00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,880 You've got Clayton Young, he's the only American man in the 801 00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,400 field. You got Kira d'amato kind of 802 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:57,080 like on a little bit of a redemption arc after, you know, 803 00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:02,160 an injury plagued 2024. And then just getting back to 804 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:06,600 marathoning in April with a, with a, you know, decent finish 805 00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,640 at the Boston Marathon. And then from there, Emma Bates, 806 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,440 someone who's, you know, been very vocal about her belief that 807 00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:19,960 she can run 218, you know, 219. Great chance to go out and prove 808 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:21,440 it. It hasn't, you know, lined up 809 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,920 for when she's, you know, talked about it in Boston. 810 00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,880 Lindsay Flanagan, who is supposed to run the Chicago 811 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,440 Marathon but is coming off of a hamstring injury, getting ready 812 00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:35,440 to gear up to extend the training block a bit and go for 813 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,360 it. Go for it in Valencia. 814 00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:42,840 She's run 223 in the past. So that's a good group of of of 815 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,160 Americans heading out to Valencia. 816 00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,400 But for sure like it was kind of fun that the announcement that 817 00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,960 Clayton is running Valencia comes out in the days leading 818 00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:53,560 into Chicago just to remind fans like, hey, it's not just like 819 00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:58,080 how much can Connor break the record by It's like now that 820 00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:03,720 will be sort of what Clayton will likely be after come 821 00:51:03,720 --> 00:51:06,640 December. So it's fun because if it's like 822 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:11,520 you hit a, you hit a home run and and run two O 345, I think 823 00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,640 that that kind of tapers down. I think Clayton's expectations. 824 00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:20,120 But if you just run 2O5O6 or something like that, then I, I 825 00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,040 think like even Clayton will, will continue to think that he's 826 00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,520 got a chance of taking a swing at it. 827 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:31,640 So that's the the fun Connor Clayton drama to to track for 828 00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,800 for it. Yeah, I was just, I was just 829 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,200 going to say with Valencia, I mean, I think we've been asking 830 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,800 for like, why don't Americans bother going to run Valencia 831 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,000 where it's so fast, it's so easy. 832 00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:46,360 And obviously that's partly because of Chicago and New York 833 00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:49,320 being in the fall as well. And it means that it just rarely 834 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,400 lines up that it makes far more sense for them to get a bigger 835 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,560 payday. But you know, we saw last year 836 00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,160 BS Ambassador went there and he was the first guy to run 2O6 as 837 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,800 an American for quite a few years since Galen rupplusted it. 838 00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:08,280 So I think maybe that actually showed maybe the other Americans 839 00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,400 that actually maybe going to lunch is a really good idea. 840 00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,920 So, you know, I think that and maybe I don't know what window 841 00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,760 is open. I wonder if, because I'm not 842 00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:26,160 sure if the 2027 World Champs window is open yet, but I think 843 00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,200 they did extend it, didn't they? Or is it? 844 00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,400 I don't, yeah, I don't know whether whether there are any 845 00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,560 championship windows open yet which might be useful for for 846 00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:38,320 the Americans to chase, but. The OTQ windows open the OT 847 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:40,760 Trials qualifier. Well, also I think Clayton 848 00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,200 already got it by running at the World Championship marathon. 849 00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:51,680 So he's said that. And yeah, I think, yeah, it's 850 00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,320 it's interesting because I don't think Clayton will go back to 851 00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,240 another world championship after Tokyo. 852 00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:03,280 If you listen to our interview that we did in the day or two 853 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:07,680 after the race, like he even was like, you sacrifice a lot and 854 00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,040 you risk a lot and the reward isn't always there financially 855 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,640 from a world championship race. Like, there aren't huge bonuses 856 00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:21,280 written into contracts all the times and not crazy high prize 857 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,880 money, no appearance fee. So it's hard to pour yourself 858 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,080 into that. So even if the window was open, 859 00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,720 I don't think, like, really a Clayton or a Connor is going to 860 00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:35,320 go for it. But yeah, finally, we get some 861 00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:40,360 Americans out to Valencia. A couple other fun names on the 862 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:47,000 men's side, Galen Rep Galen Rep is back and running the Chicago 863 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:50,520 Marathon. He won this race back in 2017 I 864 00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:55,840 believe it was and his PV is 2O6O7HE. 865 00:53:56,240 --> 00:54:00,320 I think he hasn't looked amazing in some of these tuna braces. 866 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:06,160 He's an all time great, but I don't necessarily think that 867 00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:10,520 there's crazy high expectations for him in this one. 868 00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:17,120 I'll tell you if he runs under 2O8, that'd be that'd be great 869 00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:22,040 to see him find that form back. But he's getting up there in 870 00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:26,840 age. He hasn't had a great marathon 871 00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:29,920 performance since in in a couple years. 872 00:54:30,240 --> 00:54:34,600 The last time he completed a marathon was the US Olympic 873 00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,680 trials and I think he was like 13th or 16th somewhere back 874 00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:42,240 there. So I think just getting a a 875 00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:47,920 solid marathon, even if it's like two O 9, it would be great 876 00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:53,360 to get on the board for for Galen, But it's also hard 877 00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,120 because I don't necessarily see him as the type of guy who wants 878 00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,920 to run with like the third pack of competitors. 879 00:54:59,920 --> 00:55:03,840 Like even when he hasn't been 100% healthy and he's gone out 880 00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,440 to run the New York City Marathon, he'll stick it to the 881 00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,760 lead pack and try and hang on for as long as possible. 882 00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:13,640 So wouldn't shock me if he decides to try and go with Mance 883 00:55:13,720 --> 00:55:19,080 and that tries to run APBI don't know it. 884 00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:23,960 It's again, there's no Galen Rep, Instagram or Strava to 885 00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,440 figure out where he's at. I don't even think he's on the 886 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,520 pre race press conference list. So it's just a wait. 887 00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:32,960 We're in a wait and see pattern with him to see what he's got in 888 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:37,480 store for for the the Chicago Marathon in his return. 889 00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:42,120 Some some interesting other athletes in the field that could 890 00:55:42,120 --> 00:55:44,600 be around him. You know, you got CJ Albertson 891 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:49,720 who's run two O 8. Casey Clinger is making his 892 00:55:49,720 --> 00:55:54,120 debut. I think there's another one of 893 00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:56,040 the BYU guys who's making his debut. 894 00:55:56,440 --> 00:55:59,280 Well, there's Casey Clinger, Creed Thompson, Adrian Troutner. 895 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:03,040 So they're three of the guys who are on the NCAA cross country 896 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,160 winning team. Thanks to Jonathan Golf for that 897 00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:09,400 stat. So yeah, that's quite a cool 898 00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,440 kind of collection of Ed I Stone athletes that will be in this 899 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:18,120 race. The City of Smack podcast is 900 00:56:18,120 --> 00:56:22,520 presented by Lollipop. If you tune into our shows in 901 00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:25,520 Eugene, you may have seen me holding a nice yellow can That 902 00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:31,120 was Lollipop's new Pineapple Paradise flavor straight out of 903 00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,360 Bikini Bottom. Their limited edition SpongeBob 904 00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,600 cans have arrived. Pineapple Paradise features a 905 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:40,600 burst of juicy pineapple, special sweetness and a splash 906 00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,360 of Mandarin. 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Well, I think the, the, the 913 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:08,280 thing to watch there is like who's who has a good first one 914 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,560 here that could show signs of planting the seeds of Annette I 915 00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:18,800 stone sweep at the 2028 Olympic Trials because they, they had 916 00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,160 two athletes who took the top 2 spots on the podium in 2024. 917 00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:27,800 I, you know, as of right now, it looks like if you were to do the 918 00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:33,000 power rankings of US men's marathoning, Clayton and Connor 919 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:39,640 is number 1 and Clayton's still, I think like #2 until I see a 920 00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:45,120 Matthew Rickman, ABSM BASA perform at a world marathon 921 00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:49,200 major and finish, you know, top ten, top seven at one of these 922 00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,080 races. I'm still, you know, putting 923 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,560 those two guys up there. But maybe one of these guys can 924 00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:57,680 run under 2O8 in their debut. And then all of a sudden we're 925 00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:02,200 thinking it's like, OK, an Ed Eistone sweep could be real in 926 00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:07,840 2028. But yeah, so that's the that's 927 00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:12,040 the men's race and let's move on. 928 00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:13,160 So. One more name we want to talk 929 00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:18,800 about Centro Matthew Centrowitz. He's. 930 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,160 He's running it. He's running it. 931 00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,800 I mean, yeah, he's going for like a sub 220. 932 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,040 He's not, he's not, he's not going for a sub 210 or anything 933 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:29,160 like that. But he'd be, it'd be nice if he 934 00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:34,720 got the OTQ right, Like if he ran 216, I think this is he had 935 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,080 a, he was apparently yapping the whole entire way while he was 936 00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:43,920 pacing in 2024 the top American women, which is a probably a 937 00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:47,440 nice welcome distraction while you're running the race. 938 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:52,640 But yeah, I think like a realistic day for him would 939 00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:57,000 probably just secure the Olympic Trials qualifier 2/16, 2:16. 940 00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,520 And then you've got a spot for the 28 trials, which we still 941 00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,400 don't know when or where where they'll be. 942 00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:10,640 But yeah, that'll be fun if the 2016 Olympic champion in the 943 00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:15,560 1500 snags a marathon Olympic Trials qualifier. 944 00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:20,360 So yeah, that's it. I I think actually more 945 00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:25,840 impressive will be I know he's like, you know, an investor in 946 00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:29,240 Tracksmith, but I don't necessarily think that anyone's 947 00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:32,440 run crazy fast in in those shoes. 948 00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:39,160 So if he can, you know, pop out an OTQ in those shoes, which I 949 00:59:39,160 --> 00:59:42,480 believe is still like their first iteration of a carbon 950 00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:47,000 plated shoe, then that'd be pretty commendable. 951 00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,720 You get to tout that like you've you're the fastest performance 952 00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:53,720 in those shoes. So yeah, another little, little 953 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:57,360 subplot there. All right, shifting over to the 954 00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:04,080 women's elite field top thing to notice the defending champion 955 01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,840 isn't back. No Ruth Chefengetic because 956 01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:12,280 she's been provisionally suspended for testing positive 957 01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:17,400 for. Hydrochlorothiazide, which is 958 01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:25,440 abbreviated HCTZ and she opted for a voluntary provisional 959 01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:29,400 suspension while the investigation is still, I think, 960 01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:35,240 kind of taking place, which means she could, it's a diuretic 961 01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,960 and the positive test I think could carry a two year ban. 962 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,560 And the clock is already started. 963 01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:46,720 So she's serving some time and we will have a new winner of 964 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,000 this race. The interesting thing is I think 965 01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:55,000 that no one in the women's elite field has ever won a world 966 01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:59,200 marathon major. So the field is wide open. 967 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:05,400 You have Mcgertu Alemu from Ethiopia, who's the fastest PB 968 01:01:05,400 --> 01:01:10,520 in the field with the two 1634. How we face that from Ethiopia 969 01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:14,360 217 flat. Is Irene Sheptai still running 970 01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,960 or did she scratch? She looks like she has 971 01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:21,160 scratched, so she's no longer she's no longer on the latest 972 01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:22,120 list. That's right, I can see. 973 01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:26,560 Yeah, so the, I mean, at the top end of this, this thing is wide 974 01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:32,160 open with Ethiopians and Kenyans looking to make a name for 975 01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:35,240 themselves. I I honestly think. 976 01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:39,320 That the the one to watch is 1 is someone who hasn't run a 977 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:43,760 marathon before and that's as a guy you tie who was running on 978 01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:48,040 the track. I think won the Miami slam at 979 01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:54,200 Grand Slam track. Very very strong 5K10K runner 980 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,320 stepping into the full marathon distance. 981 01:01:57,320 --> 01:01:59,760 Was not selected to the World Championship team. 982 01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:01,000 I believe was. Listed as well. 983 01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,600 No, she she she then she then arrived in the 10K and we were 984 01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:05,680 like where'd she come from? But I think she was asked to run 985 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:07,920 probably quite late on. Oh, so she didn't. 986 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:09,560 She didn't. She got fifth in the 10K. 987 01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,760 Oh, well then, strong little tune up for the Chicago 988 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:17,880 Marathon. I think that, you know, she's 989 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,720 talented enough, you know, to take some of those track chops 990 01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:25,600 and it wouldn't be outlandish. We've seen Sifan Asan, you know, 991 01:02:25,640 --> 01:02:30,640 go from World Championships on the track to some marathon 992 01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:34,600 success shortly thereafter. So it's kind of wild. 993 01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:37,960 But I I think that she might be my pick to win in her debut. 994 01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,840 Yeah, so she is a 65 minute half marathoner. 995 01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:48,360 But I also wanted to say Lois Chennam, who is the Kenyan who 996 01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:52,160 is debuting at this race, is also a 65 minute half 997 01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,520 marathoner. And she ran that in in March as 998 01:02:55,520 --> 01:03:01,280 well in Malaga. So that's another very 999 01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:05,520 impressive performer. She's 28 years old, but this is 1000 01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:11,480 also her debut marathon. So yeah, I think she could also 1001 01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:13,760 be someone who kind of comes out of nowhere. 1002 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:18,720 But yeah, I mean, the other, I was going to say that Bedartu 1003 01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:24,280 Herpa, who has this 2/18/27 PB, but she has won four out of her 1004 01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:27,000 last five marathons. They haven't been like major 1005 01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:29,200 marathons, but she's a serial winner. 1006 01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:35,440 So she's someone that maybe actually given, given the way 1007 01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:39,160 this field is on the right day, I, I think she's the kind of 1008 01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:44,280 athlete that that obviously runs to win and, and maybe she has a 1009 01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:51,160 bit of a breakout as well. Yeah, I, I think like that's 1010 01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,040 what's going to be interesting is that like there isn't a 1011 01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:58,960 household name on this start list that you immediately can 1012 01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:02,240 jump to and be like, that person's going to clearly win or 1013 01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:05,200 be in the top three. This is as wide open as the 1014 01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:08,840 Chicago Marathon has ever been. And there was just like a fun 1015 01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:12,760 theory, you know, tinfoil hat, you know, conspiracy theory 1016 01:04:12,760 --> 01:04:16,680 floated in the Sidious Met group chat where, you know, someone 1017 01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:19,440 said it's like, well, it was clear that they probably were 1018 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,480 planning to just throw an absolute bag of money at Rich 1019 01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:25,680 Evan Gettich to come back and then just didn't have a follow 1020 01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:29,080 up plan because by then every other, you know, all the other 1021 01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:32,560 fields got, you know, filled up and people, you know, committed 1022 01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:37,200 to those races. So yeah, there there isn't. 1023 01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:41,960 No, there is no heavy hitter on the women's side of this race. 1024 01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:45,520 Yeah, and I and I am thinking like there is a sneaky podium 1025 01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:49,320 spot open for a surprise podium athlete because I think, you 1026 01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:53,080 know, there's only I mean, I was going to shout out Kelly Horger 1027 01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:57,200 Thackeray, who's run 221. She's targeting a sub 220 and 1028 01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,360 and I think in this race that could well get you on the 1029 01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:04,680 podium. I, I honestly think like, you 1030 01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,920 know that, that there isn't like, you know, there's only 5 1031 01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:13,520 athletes who got faster PB then. And I think Marion Goo Cooper's 1032 01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,080 a few years removed from that kind of form. 1033 01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,800 She's always like kind of up there in Boston. 1034 01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:23,000 Yeah, she's up there in Boston, but I think she's, she hasn't 1035 01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:26,360 run kind of anywhere close to I think she's she's been running 1036 01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,960 220 fours and 220 fives in the last couple of years. 1037 01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:34,200 So she hasn't run does quickly, but yeah. 1038 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,720 And then Natasha Rogers, who, you know, debuted at the Olympic 1039 01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:43,120 trials, didn't have a great day, but then quietly ran a 223 in 1040 01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:48,000 Nagoya earlier this year. And so I think, you know, she, 1041 01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,720 we know how talented she is. And she's someone that, you 1042 01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:52,040 know, people never talk about, right? 1043 01:05:52,040 --> 01:05:54,640 And then she goes and makes world championship teams and and 1044 01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,400 so on. So she's she's a kind of athlete 1045 01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:02,240 that I think could also have a bit of a breakout given Chicago 1046 01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,840 is kind of the kind of race where you can can run, run fast. 1047 01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:11,360 So yeah, I think and then we've obviously got Dakota Popain, who 1048 01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:15,560 we know how good she is, but she just hasn't managed to pop out a 1049 01:06:15,560 --> 01:06:18,760 fast 1. So again, she's due a big, big 1050 01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:22,520 revision in our PB. But I just do think that like, 1051 01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,560 this feels just so wide open that we could get someone, you 1052 01:06:26,560 --> 01:06:29,280 know, any one of those sorts of athletes on the podium, like 1053 01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:31,480 with a sneaky, sneaky 3rd place or something. 1054 01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:37,400 Yeah, I do like the Dakota propane versus Natasha Rogers. 1055 01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:41,200 Little battle for top American Natasha Rogers. 1056 01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,560 Total sleeper in this one. Because that Nagoya Marathon 1057 01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:48,720 result flew under the radar for so many people this past spring. 1058 01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:51,880 I don't quite know what her coaching situation is right now 1059 01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:56,560 because she was working with, you know, Alistair and Amy Cragg 1060 01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:02,280 before the Olympic trials. And then when that debut didn't 1061 01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:06,000 go so great, I think maybe she parted ways with them. 1062 01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:10,320 But it had to be really cool to see her and Dakota pushing each 1063 01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:11,600 other. And then as a result, also 1064 01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:15,920 possibly, you know, being up there and competing when we've 1065 01:07:16,120 --> 01:07:19,760 kind of I think this is maybe in the episode after Ruth 1066 01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:23,280 Chepingettich got popped, discuss the ripple effects of 1067 01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:26,640 what her presence has had in these races where she's gunned 1068 01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:32,200 it from the front. And then from there, like also 1069 01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,800 blown the wheels off of other people and change the whole 1070 01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:39,240 dynamics of the race that without her in this one for sure 1071 01:07:39,240 --> 01:07:41,840 can foresee this being a much tighter race. 1072 01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:45,040 Maybe people, just like we've seen in New York over the last 1073 01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,560 couple of years, they just buy their time and wait and wait and 1074 01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,520 wait for a move to be made and actually makes for a pretty 1075 01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,520 thrilling finish. Whereas in the past it's been, 1076 01:07:55,120 --> 01:08:00,000 OK, Ruth is gone. Basically, we're watching Ruth 1077 01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:04,480 versus the clock here, or the only other time in the last four 1078 01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,560 years where it hasn't been that case, it was Ruth versus Stefan 1079 01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:09,280 Hassan. And Stefan got the better of 1080 01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,040 her, you know, in the closing miles. 1081 01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:16,920 So this should be hopefully a better, more compact race. 1082 01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,240 So I'm looking forward to that now that. 1083 01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,240 I hope we get to see it. That's that's the big question, 1084 01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:22,920 yeah. The. 1085 01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:27,160 Broadcast over the last the last few years the broadcast has not 1086 01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:30,080 shown a huge amount of the women's race and what they have 1087 01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:34,640 shown has mostly been the the lead person. 1088 01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,040 I think even when Emily System is breaking the American record, 1089 01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:40,479 we only got to see her in the last five or 10 minutes of the 1090 01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:45,720 race after like a lot of other people had finished kind of 1091 01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,120 thing that they were able to get a camera back to the second 1092 01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:50,680 pack. So I really do hope we get to 1093 01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:55,200 see some of the stuff behind the the whoever the leader, leader 1094 01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,439 or leaders are, especially because, yeah, that there are a 1095 01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:00,479 few interesting athletes there that we might, might want to 1096 01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:01,800 see. Yeah, see. 1097 01:09:02,040 --> 01:09:05,120 See, that's the thing. It's like, I, I think it's a 1098 01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:09,120 bit, everyone would be in pretty universal agreement that, yes, 1099 01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,279 they have their qualms with how marathons are presented in the 1100 01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:17,240 United States, but the Chicago Marathon broadcast is the worst 1101 01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:23,040 of the US majors by far. Like when it comes to just like 1102 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:27,040 the presentation of it, like, there is very little. 1103 01:09:28,399 --> 01:09:33,439 You miss the big moments. There's no camera on the top 1104 01:09:34,120 --> 01:09:37,080 American woman in many cases. And when when they're talking a 1105 01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,920 big game and even in the pre race, you're playing up the fact 1106 01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,439 that it's like, oh, there could be an American record attempt 1107 01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:45,399 here. And you do you don't you won't 1108 01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:48,040 get to see it though. That's it's bananas. 1109 01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:53,040 Yeah. Two years ago, Emma Bates versus 1110 01:09:53,040 --> 01:09:57,760 Emily Sisson, like one of the better matchups we've seen, 1111 01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:00,920 unfortunately, until Emma got hurt in the middle of the race, 1112 01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,520 but would have loved to have seen some of that. 1113 01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,680 Seeing Emily Sisson run any part of her American record would 1114 01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:12,240 have been great. So yeah, but that's why the 1115 01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:18,400 Sidious Mag Watch Along will be there on Sunday starting at 8:15 1116 01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,400 AM Eastern Time. You can TuneIn on the Sidious 1117 01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:26,080 Mag YouTube channel and Eric Jenkins, Karen Lesowitz and Paul 1118 01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:29,480 Hoff Mahoney will be on site giving you splits, analysis, 1119 01:10:29,480 --> 01:10:35,560 reactions, all in real time. I will be joining remotely from 1120 01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:39,320 New York City and can also help out in some of those cases where 1121 01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:44,480 I can spot some trends, splits, projected paces or whatever. 1122 01:10:44,480 --> 01:10:46,040 It is. My nerdy brain. 1123 01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:49,360 I won't try to control the broadcast from afar. 1124 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:53,720 I fully trust Paul Hoff Mahoney's, you know, expertise 1125 01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:56,960 and being able to moderate and and handle the show. 1126 01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:03,600 But yeah, I'm sad to to miss out on Chicago, but it's going to be 1127 01:11:03,600 --> 01:11:07,440 great again. TuneIn Sidious Mag watch along 1128 01:11:07,480 --> 01:11:11,760 live Sunday morning from the Sidious Pizzeria presented by 1129 01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:15,760 Hoka coming to you live from happy camper in Old Town in 1130 01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:18,040 Chicago. That whole area is going to turn 1131 01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:23,440 into you a cheer station. So it's right on the course, so 1132 01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:27,840 you'll be able to see your loved ones, catch a glimpse of the 1133 01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:32,040 elite races as they pass. So if you're in Chicago this 1134 01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:35,440 weekend looking for a place to cheer Happy Camper in Old Town, 1135 01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:38,360 I believe it's somewhere around the 12 mile mark or something 1136 01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,600 like that. It's going to be a blast. 1137 01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,600 Come on out. And then if you are running the 1138 01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:48,080 race, make your way over to Happy Camper afterwards to claim 1139 01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:53,800 your commemorative beer mug. But yeah, I think that's, I 1140 01:11:53,800 --> 01:11:57,160 think that's it Pre. Is that all we've got? 1141 01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,320 Three. Well, there's again three Ed Ice 1142 01:12:00,320 --> 01:12:01,840 Stone athletes in this one as well. 1143 01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:05,680 On the women's side, you've got Emily Venters debuting, you've 1144 01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,280 got Aubrey Frenthroy and you've got McKenna Mila. 1145 01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:12,680 So yeah, again, yeah, Ed Ice Stone for the win. 1146 01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,920 Well. So yeah, let's see, see what 1147 01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:17,960 they can do. I mean, yeah, I think again, 1148 01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,240 they're athletes that that could have a bit of a breakout. 1149 01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:23,040 You never know. Yeah, Aubrey Franthuway was a 1150 01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:26,840 guest on the Getting Chick podcast, so give that a listen 1151 01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:31,920 as well if you are seeking more pre Chicago Marathon content. 1152 01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:36,920 And then after that we will after the race, Preet and I will 1153 01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:42,000 unpack it all next week. And we will also be rejoined by 1154 01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:46,480 Conor Mance, hopefully introducing him as the American 1155 01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:54,720 record holder for the episode. He has now been on the podcast 9 1156 01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:58,000 1/2 hours. So on his next appearance he 1157 01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,800 will pass the 10 hour threshold, which you've definitely 1158 01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:06,480 surpassed at at this point. But from the athlete guess, I 1159 01:13:06,480 --> 01:13:10,840 think that he's probably him and Clayton are getting up there and 1160 01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,640 they are probably like duking it out for number 1. 1161 01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,720 I can't think of like who else I've had on more regularly than 1162 01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:21,720 those two guys. So yeah, anyway, that's all for 1163 01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,560 this week's episode. Thanks everyone for listening 1164 01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:29,360 again. TuneIn Sidious Mag watch along 1165 01:13:29,480 --> 01:13:32,760 live from the Sidious Pizzeria presented by Hoka out of Happy 1166 01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:38,120 Camper in Old Town in Chicago, Sunday, 17 or 7:15 AM Central 1167 01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:42,720 time, 8:15 AM Eastern Time. 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