1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:02,920 What's up everyone? You are listening to the Sidious 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,120 Magic Podcast. I'm your host Chris Chavez, and 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,480 every week we go beyond the results to bring you 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,480 conversations with the biggest names on the track, the roads, 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,760 and behind the scenes. From world class athletes and 6 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,280 coaches to innovators shaping the sport. 7 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,520 If it's happening on the track, we're covering it with real 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,560 insights that sharpen minds, deep dives into the moments that 9 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,360 define careers, and the kind of access to the pros you won't get 10 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,360 anywhere else. So let's get into it because we 11 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:29,920 love. Track and field. 12 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,560 Before we get to today's episode, you know we love giving 13 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,240 our listeners a shout out when they leave us a review on Apple 14 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,400 Podcasts. That certainly helps the show's 15 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,280 discoverability and we appreciate it greatly. 16 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,400 This week's review comes to us from CJ Young and I really got 17 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,840 to find out if Clayton's middle name starts with AJ and that 18 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,840 this might be him. He writes in saying 10 out of 10 19 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,720 no notes. No one covers the insurance and 20 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:00,760 outs of the running world better than Conor Mance and his Co host 21 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,440 Chris Chavez. Hilarious review and I got to do 22 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,360 some sleuthing to figure out if this was actually Clayton Young. 23 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:10,440 If you want your review to be read and you want to support the 24 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,720 show, leave us a Five star View on Apple Podcast today. 25 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,320 All right folks, buckle up because one of the greatest 26 00:01:19,320 --> 00:01:22,040 indoor matchups that we've ever seen is officially coming back 27 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,880 to the Armory. Today's episode is all about a 28 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:28,920 rematch that we already have to look forward to in 2026. 29 00:01:29,320 --> 00:01:32,200 Cole Hawker and Grant Fisher are stepping back onto that 200 30 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,640 meter track at the Armory for the 2026 Milrose Games, this 31 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:41,160 time for a two mile showdown. Last year, these two didn't just 32 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,240 race over 3000 meters, they absolutely rewrote the history 33 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,240 books. Grant Fisher dropped a world 34 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,920 record of 722 and Cole Hawker was right behind him in 723. 35 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:52,920 Both men under the previous world record. 36 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,000 Both men ran absolutely fearlessly. 37 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,320 It set them up very well for strong 2025 outdoor campaigns. 38 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,760 Now as we Fast forward and heading into 2026, Cole Hawker 39 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,880 is heading into the new year as the Olympic champion in the 1500 40 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,720 meters and the reigning world champion at 5000 meters. 41 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,760 Fisher is a double bronze medalist who spent all of 2025 42 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:20,400 sharpening one of the best closing kicks in the world. 43 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,680 And instead of running back the same event at 3K, they're 44 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,120 leveling up this time the two mile history potentially on the 45 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,320 line and. Absolutely perfect for these two 46 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:34,680 to test their limits again. What makes this rivalry so 47 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:37,960 electric is that they meet right in the middle of who they are as 48 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,480 athletes. Cole Hawker, the swaggering 49 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,240 closer who showed that he's unafraid to surge early. 50 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,880 Grant Fisher, the diesel engine who can drag any field through 51 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,520 at record setting pace and then still have a gear at the bell. 52 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,600 And when these two collide, you don't just get a race, you get a 53 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,600 moment. Melrose specializes in moments. 54 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:00,840 Get your tickets today at milrosegames.org. 55 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,120 You do not want to miss it. I always say this is the best 56 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,080 indoor meet in the entire world. For now, I'll let the two stars 57 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:11,480 of the show get you excited for it, so here is Cole Hawker and 58 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:25,990 Grant Fisher. All right, Grant Fisher, it's 59 00:03:25,990 --> 00:03:28,550 weird. We were just saying off air how 60 00:03:28,630 --> 00:03:32,520 it's still in the middle of cross country season, but we're 61 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,280 already getting ready to talk about indoor season. 62 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,800 Tokyo was two months ago, but where do we find you at right 63 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:40,040 now? You're in Utah. 64 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,160 At what point in the build for indoor season? 65 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,600 Still early or just like couple weeks in at this point? 66 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,440 Yeah, pretty early. Yeah, we were talking a second 67 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,400 ago, but the season went later than most pros are used to. 68 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,200 I think the last time the season went this deep was maybe Doha. 69 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,480 And so I think for the people that went all the way to the 70 00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:04,120 World Championships, I think most people are taking rather 71 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,520 slow approaches back into the the season. 72 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,840 But yeah, indoors is right around the corner. 73 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,680 It's let me see what date it is today. 74 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,160 I don't know when you're going to release this, but it's 75 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:15,920 November 17th. I'm in Park City. 76 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:17,440 It snowed a little bit overnight. 77 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,000 So it's starting to feel like we're going into those winter 78 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:25,080 grind months and then hopefully pop out the other side and you 79 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:27,360 know, January, February, March and be flying. 80 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:29,760 All right, So the big announcement that's coming out 81 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:35,800 on on Wednesday is the rematch is is back on you versus Cole 82 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,080 this time in a two mile take us through I guess like the 83 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,320 decision making process to line up a A2 mile at Melrose this 84 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,720 time around. I was just thinking about that 85 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,680 this morning. It it kind of seems like Melrose 86 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,760 tends to go 3K2 mile, 3K2 mile, like alternating years. 87 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,480 You know, last year we had a great battle over 3K. 88 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,960 Maybe would be a little repetitive to do that exact same 89 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,680 thing again. The two mile, I mean, it's 90 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,040 basically the same event, but you got, you know, different 91 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:07,680 national records to go after for, you know, people from every 92 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,760 country. It's not run quite as much as 93 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,680 the 3K. So it's kind of fun just to to 94 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:16,920 hop into a different event. It's always fun to run a 2 mile, 95 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:20,000 especially outdoors, just 'cause you know, you don't have all 96 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,800 these PRS to compare to and, you know, years to compare to. 97 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:26,240 So yeah, Melrose has always treated me well. 98 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:27,840 I've had great performances there. 99 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:31,520 I've really enjoyed the environment every year, so it'll 100 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,320 be fun to get back out there and race again. 101 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,720 So with Cole, you know, deciding to go for the two mile option 102 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:42,240 instead of the, you know, say the the Wanamaker, it's setting 103 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,160 up, you know, for the two of you to go head to head again. 104 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,880 What makes him such a good opponent and why last year's 105 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,320 race was, I mean, it delivered in terms of just like the the 106 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:55,000 headline building for sure. Yeah, I think, you know, both 107 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:57,800 the Wanamaker Mile and the Two Mile, I don't know if the Two 108 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,920 Mile gets a cool name, but the Two mile, you know, you get 109 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,440 really dynamic matchups in both of those events, especially 110 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,040 during the indoor season. And I think you'll see even more 111 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,600 of that with next year being an off year where people try new 112 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:13,880 things. You know, it was fun last year 113 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,280 where, you know, Cole is much more known as like a mile up to 114 00:06:17,280 --> 00:06:20,280 5K guy. I'm more known as a 5K up to 10K 115 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:23,320 guy. So a 3K was a pretty even match 116 00:06:24,280 --> 00:06:26,960 and the two mile I think will be pretty similar again. 117 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,160 You know, in the Wanamaker miles, sometimes you have guys 118 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,640 like, you know, more like Eric Jenkins drop down in the past 119 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,360 where he's more of at the time was more notice like a 5K guy. 120 00:06:38,280 --> 00:06:40,800 And so you get these really unique matchups that you 121 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,520 probably wouldn't get in the lead up to a championship, but 122 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:48,320 you can get in the lead up to like a mill rose because people 123 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:49,640 are looking to race and have some fun. 124 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,480 What do you think 723 for 3K converts to for the the two 125 00:06:54,480 --> 00:07:00,640 mile? I'm honestly not sure but my 126 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:06,040 guess would be like 758 high or something like that. 127 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:08,960 That puts you guys right on track to, I mean, obviously then 128 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:13,080 break the the world record. Do you think because it's it's 129 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,920 it feels like a easy question at this point, It's like what what 130 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:19,040 matters more here? Is it the time or is it the win? 131 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:20,880 And obviously I think you're going to say the win. 132 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,400 And just like last year, it just feels like it comes as a 133 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:37,160 byproduct of two of the best going head to And then when Cole 134 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:39,800 took it with 600 to go, I think that's sort of like the little 135 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:44,120 bit of a surge needed to push it into the world record territory. 136 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,800 And so I mean, this time around, we, I talked to Cole a couple 137 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,360 hours ago, he's definitely thinking world record. 138 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,640 But similarly, like it's just going to come out of really good 139 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,720 racing between the two of you. Yeah, exactly. 140 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:00,560 You know, last year it's really hard to chase a record alone. 141 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,840 Like really, really hard. It's so much easier when you're 142 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:10,520 racing, you know, to the pacer in the race will probably go a 143 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,480 mile, 2K at most. So that leaves a fair amount of 144 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,680 time where you're, you know, just with your competitors and 145 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,640 to do that whole drive by yourself and you know, have no 146 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:22,960 one on your shoulder or anything, it's a little harder 147 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:26,000 to really push and get everything out of yourself, even 148 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,560 if you just have someone on your shoulder that's somewhat nicer 149 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,559 than just going at it alone. So last year we, you know, had 150 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:34,919 some lead changes, which was nice. 151 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:36,600 And I think that drove the pace on. 152 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,240 But the lead changes were not like, I don't think at any point 153 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,440 Cole was like, oh, the pace is slipping, we're going to miss 154 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:43,720 the record. You know, I need to go out to 155 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,240 the front. It was, you know, what's my best 156 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,040 shot at winning this race? And I think it'll be the same 157 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,000 thing this time. You know, each of us want to 158 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:56,000 win. And I believe Ray and the meat 159 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:58,600 meat directors are setting it up to be quite fast. 160 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,960 So I think the time will come. I I think all runners have 161 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,920 learned that lesson before where like you, you focus too much on 162 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,880 the time and it slips away. But you focus on how you want to 163 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:11,840 race. And if you're in the correct 164 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,600 race with the right people, then the time is kind of this. 165 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,480 Yeah, by product, like you said. So I think it'll be quick that 166 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,600 that's a fast track. It's a great environment. 167 00:09:21,560 --> 00:09:22,840 You know, they always have a good rabbit. 168 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,080 And, you know, you put good guys in the field that are motivated 169 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,480 and want to go it. It usually goes pretty quick. 170 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,240 So one thing that I like doing is just sort of now that we have 171 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:37,520 like a full 2025 season to look back on, and sometimes those 172 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:42,600 early races are places where you can work on certain things or 173 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,280 have some takeaways that'll be valuable down the road. 174 00:09:46,680 --> 00:09:52,120 That 3K at the Milrose Games, what purpose did it ultimately 175 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:55,360 serve or what did you learn from that race that was valuable in 176 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,600 another race in the 2025 season? I mean it, it was a great kick 177 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:05,320 off confidence wise to get the ball rolling and, and kind of I 178 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,680 feel like I had worked on my kick a little bit and I had 179 00:10:08,680 --> 00:10:11,120 proved it enough to, you know, be there with Cole at the end. 180 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,880 You know, my early season outdoor races last year or I 181 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,240 guess this year technically were Grand Slam and those races came 182 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:20,680 down to kick. So I felt a little more 183 00:10:20,680 --> 00:10:23,880 confident going into those. You know, by the time the season 184 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,920 drew to an end in September, I think I was a little tired out 185 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:29,880 from all of that focus and attention on kicking. 186 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,240 But, you know, you live and you learn. 187 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,320 And I think this year I'm taking a little more sensible approach 188 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,640 to the build. And yeah, I don't feel as much 189 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,680 like I need to prove as much to myself that, you know, when I'm 190 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:46,360 in shape and feeling good, that I can compete with the best guys 191 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,800 in the world. So, yeah, there's takeaways from 192 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,520 every single race. The indoor season for most 193 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,120 people is like usually set up for outdoors. 194 00:10:56,120 --> 00:10:59,720 That's it's the more important season for most of us. 195 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,960 It'll be a little different this year because, you know, you 196 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:04,840 don't have that global championship looming over your 197 00:11:04,840 --> 00:11:06,880 head. So you might see some people 198 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,400 maybe overemphasize outdoors or indoors compared to outdoors. 199 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,320 Or, you know, look at a road race instead of an outdoor race. 200 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,920 Maybe try some new stuff like this is when meets put on cool 201 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,240 stuff like a 2K, you know, and you get to go over like no one 202 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,120 ever races the 2K but it's fun to go after a record in the 2K. 203 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,920 Stuff like that where I think you'll see a lot more pros, you 204 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,120 know, doing stuff that they're uncomfortable with but is 205 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,240 exciting. Where would where do you think 206 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:38,880 your level of fitness was at, you know, getting into Tokyo 207 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,920 compared to where it was where you were in world record shape 208 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,720 during the indoor season. But it then again, like you just 209 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:49,840 had so much going on in between that and Tokyo. 210 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:54,520 Like did you feel that, Hey, like, all right, I was in crazy 211 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:58,800 shape for indoors. And then did you surpass that or 212 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,480 did you try and get close back to it or by the time that the 213 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:03,720 World Championships rolled around? 214 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:07,360 You know, it's, it's hard to really compare fitness levels 215 00:12:07,360 --> 00:12:10,480 and the fitness required for certain races. 216 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,600 Sometimes they're different, if that makes sense. 217 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,680 Like, you know, in a pure time trial, you're it rewards a 218 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:19,280 certain type of fitness where you can just grind from the gun. 219 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,600 In a world championship, it rewards like you need to be 220 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:24,960 ready to roll with the punches where there's a surge, it comes 221 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:27,200 back. You certainly need to be ready 222 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,840 to kick at the end. I think in the indoor season, my 223 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,160 like engine was running really, really hot. 224 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:37,040 Like I, I felt like I could hold a super, super high pace and I 225 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,280 could kick a decent amount off of it. 226 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,400 I think the race with with Cole and Melrose last year, we really 227 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:48,560 didn't close like that fast. You know, a, a lot of times in 228 00:12:48,560 --> 00:12:51,280 indoors people are able to close in like 25 seconds or 26 229 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:51,680 seconds. He. 230 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:53,640 Was 27 right? Yeah, yeah. 231 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,160 I don't think we closed, yeah, much faster than 27. 232 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,400 It was just that, you know, we had been going from the gun. 233 00:12:59,920 --> 00:13:03,440 So it kind of rewards a slightly different fitness, if that makes 234 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,480 sense. Like, and, and I think 235 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,080 reflecting back during the indoor season, I felt more fresh 236 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,320 going into those races by the time outdoors was coming to an 237 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,040 end. Like I was definitely a little 238 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,680 more fatigued. And I think that was just needed 239 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,880 to do a better job this year of mapping out training and 240 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,200 priorities and, and certain races and, and sliding them in 241 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,200 at the right time and taking breaks at the right time. 242 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:33,920 But yeah, I think this year I'm really excited about, well, the 243 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:36,840 entire year, it feels like a free year where you can 244 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,640 actually, you know, not build everything around the World 245 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,960 Championships and can, can have some fun. 246 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:47,800 Because I, I'm trying to think when Cole went pro, a lot of the 247 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,320 people that are pro right now, it's been a long time since an 248 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,840 off year. So for most of us, this is our 249 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,040 First off year. 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The City of Smack podcast is 282 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:07,160 presented by Gnomeo Performance from the inside out. 283 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,760 You probably saw it, Joe Klecker's marathon debut in New 284 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:16,280 York City, 210A debut that looked composed and strong all 285 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,760 the way throughout. While he's spoken out about the 286 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:22,960 importance of fueling a lot on this show, Joe has also been 287 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:27,360 using Gnomeo in his build up. Gnomeo's built exactly for that 288 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:29,640 feeling that we're chasing. When the training clicks, 289 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:33,160 recovery feels smoother and race day legs actually show up. 290 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:37,080 It's a daily 60 milliliter shot, mostly broccoli, sprout juice, 291 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,800 lemon, and a touch of sugar. 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You know, I was like, what is 303 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,640 this? But I got it and started using 304 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:19,160 it and then I'll use it like 2 hours before I'll get up and 305 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:20,680 have it because our workouts are pretty early. 306 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:24,240 Every workout I'd implement what I'm going to do on race day into 307 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:25,960 the workout. So my routine every morning is 308 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:31,000 same breakfast Gnomeo 3 hours before, I do buy card two to 309 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,280 three hours before and then I'll have no meal before bed and for 310 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,560 recovery. But I wasn't a huge believer and 311 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,840 I just did it because they had sent it to me at first. 312 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:44,280 And then Sage started using it and she used it at USA's for the 313 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:49,080 first time between her rounds and she was like blown away by 314 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,560 how fresh she felt through the rounds. 315 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,600 And obviously, that could just be fitness and training, but she 316 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:57,000 was like, you know, this was a new thing she was trying and it 317 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,880 really helped her. And then she did the same in 318 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,320 Tokyo. And like, so now we have that 319 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:02,680 helped me really believe in it a lot. 320 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:04,720 I'm like, OK, I know she's the fittest she's ever been. 321 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,960 But also she starts using this, you know, this new product and 322 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,040 has the best race of her life. You know, maybe I should keep 323 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,040 using it as well. So yeah, I've been using it 324 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,880 every workout, every long run. The recommended practice is you 325 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,840 take one shot 3 hours before a big workout, a race, or daily 326 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:26,280 during heavy training blocks and those especially tough days. 327 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,800 A second shot before bed can help your recovery overnight. 328 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,960 It's nature meets science, a small routine with a big pay 329 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:37,280 off. You can find Gnomeo on the feed 330 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:42,480 and Sidious Mag listeners get 15% off using code Sidious 15 at 331 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:47,880 check out. That's Citi US15 at thefeed.com. 332 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:56,440 Gnomeo, prepare to outperform. Two newsy items were one your 333 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,160 coach Mike Scannell said no cross country. 334 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:04,760 Why that decision? So I wanted to do cross country. 335 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,680 Unfortunately, I ended the season with a bit of an injury 336 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:13,880 in I I thought I had it fixed coming off of offseason by 337 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:17,440 taking some time off and turns out it did not have it fixed. 338 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:22,160 So I had to really take more time off than I wanted to and I 339 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,680 started working out again last week. 340 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:28,080 So that gave me about 3 weeks until US cross. 341 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,200 And you know, when you go through an injury and then you 342 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,080 think you're OK and then come back and it turns out you're not 343 00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,560 fully, you know, healthy again, you don't really want to do that 344 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,120 again. So I was like, you know, to 345 00:19:41,120 --> 00:19:44,680 squeeze the fitness into three weeks of workouts, potentially 346 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,240 make this thing worse again. It just didn't feel worth it. 347 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,480 I think if the timing was a little different than it would 348 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,680 have allowed for it. But yeah, unfortunately I just 349 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:56,800 couldn't run for quite a while. That's one of the reasons I I 350 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,520 was biking quite a bit, which was fun, but I I couldn't run 351 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,800 pain free for quite a while. But I feel good now and have 352 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,640 done some workouts and feel good, but I I just don't want to 353 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:13,040 condense it too much to get ready for US cross and risk, you 354 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,320 know, blowing this up again. Yeah. 355 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,320 What was the injury? The injury was an, it's an 356 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,920 injury to my pelvis, specifically to my cubic 357 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,880 synthesis, which I had never even heard of until I injured 358 00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,360 it. It's like the joint at the front 359 00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:29,040 of your pelvis. So I, I think most people know 360 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:31,040 where like your SI joints are on the back. 361 00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:33,480 It'd be like the complementary joint on the front of your 362 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,560 pelvis. And mine was like super inflamed 363 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,360 and aggravated and a lot of the muscles around were pretty, 364 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:44,520 pretty upset as well. So took me a while to get 365 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,000 everything to calm down. When did you start to feel that? 366 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,960 Like, what was the pain lingering, I guess in Tokyo a 367 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,720 little bit? I'd say, I mean, it was 368 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:54,440 lingering a little bit, but I don't think it affected 369 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,360 performance. I think for some reason taking 370 00:20:58,360 --> 00:21:00,640 time off almost made it feel worse. 371 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,240 Like I think it felt better when I was racing in Tokyo than it 372 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:08,320 did after like a traditional off time after the season. 373 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,120 So it was a bit of an odd one, but I think it's in the rearview 374 00:21:12,120 --> 00:21:15,400 Mirror Now. And yeah, I'm feeling good. 375 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:18,000 It it, it was weird. It never really was that painful 376 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,760 or like didn't feel like that bad. 377 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:25,440 But it was just like kind of that lingering thing that now, 378 00:21:26,360 --> 00:21:28,600 now is the time to fix it for for sure. 379 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,040 Like I don't want this to come back up again. 380 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:36,920 So then when you've had a chance to kind of unpack and reflect on 381 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,200 your races in Tokyo, I guess like what were some of the big 382 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,320 takeaways? And then it's just so 383 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:47,880 interesting to me what the 5K and 10K have become because it 384 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,560 feels like it's just luck now in terms of like who can come away 385 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,240 with the win because you can't take the pace out from the gun 386 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:58,040 without sacrificing yourself. And then if you leave it to a 387 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,040 kick, everyone in the field believes they've got the best 388 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,280 kick and kind of can leave it to some surprises or some 389 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,920 contenders that maybe wouldn't have been able to hang in most 390 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:10,680 race if it was a little bit quicker. 391 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:14,760 So I guess like how did what was your total assessment of of the 392 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,920 races in Tokyo? Yeah, I mean the the depth gets 393 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,080 stronger each year. You know, every year there's 394 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,240 like one guy that retires and then there's like 5 new guys 395 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,680 that are just as good that pop up. 396 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:31,920 So you get like these super, super loaded fields and it makes 397 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,240 it exciting, I think for a fan, especially for a casual fan, 398 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:40,000 because you know, even if you have a favorite in the race, 399 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,720 like it's a it's a little bit more unpredictable than it has 400 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,720 been in the past where usually the fittest person won and it 401 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:50,120 was very clear who the fittest person was at the beginning. 402 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,800 And with a lap to go, it was clear who was going to win. 403 00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:56,400 With 200 to go, it was clear who's going to win. 404 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,920 I think, you know, in a lot of the men's distance races 405 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,720 specifically, you saw where you know, you didn't know who's 406 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:03,200 going to win with 50 meters to go. 407 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:05,800 I think that made for really exciting races. 408 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,680 And I think that's mostly attributed to the depth where 409 00:23:09,120 --> 00:23:12,840 you know, everyone is going into these races in great fitness and 410 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:17,120 the deciding factor is how well you can kick off of that super 411 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:22,360 fast pace or in in more of the 10K, like how you can navigate a 412 00:23:22,360 --> 00:23:25,240 field and conserve enough energy to have the best kick at the 413 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,440 end. I think for me, like reflecting 414 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:32,440 specifically on my races, I thought I felt good in the 10K, 415 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,000 but I just felt so flat when I tried to kick and, and maybe 416 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,080 that was due to fatigue. Maybe that was just too much 417 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,760 energy wasted during the race. Could have been a lot of things. 418 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,320 And then in the five Ki felt like my best shot was to make it 419 00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,840 quick because I, I didn't feel that sharpness that I had in the 420 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:52,680 past for the kick. So tried to squeeze it, you 421 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,360 know, rather early on and squeezed myself basically. 422 00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:59,160 And turns out I was the one that was most fatigued by the end 423 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,280 from pushing that pace. You know, it was a pretty 424 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,800 disappointing World Championships. 425 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,120 You know, I was still in the races, but at the end of the 426 00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:11,080 day, like, I wasn't in the the true fight for, you know, being 427 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:15,320 towards the front of the race. So not my proudest one. 428 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,560 But yeah, there's a lot of things to reflect on and take 429 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,280 away. And, you know, I think going 430 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:25,200 into future years, you'll only see more of that where the, IT 431 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:27,640 becomes incredibly difficult to run away from people. 432 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,920 You know, gone are the days where like 3 people break away 433 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,520 and with three laps to go, you're like, all right, there's 434 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,200 the podium. You know, I, I don't think 435 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,440 that'll happen very much going forward in, in any of the 436 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,920 distance events. So if you got magic wand one do 437 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,360 over in each one of those in each one of the finals, like 438 00:24:48,360 --> 00:24:52,840 what would it be? I think in the 5K, maybe waiting 439 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,680 a little longer before going to the front. 440 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,000 I, I think going to the front was still my best opportunity, 441 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,960 but maybe waiting a little longer before starting that 442 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,000 because by the time 3 laps to go came in that race, I was pretty 443 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,560 shelled in the 10K. It'd be more, you know, do a 444 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,160 better job of conserving energy, not as much motion, not as much 445 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,960 back and forth. Like do a better job of just 446 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,240 sitting in the pack. You know, I, I don't need to be 447 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,560 the guy that runs, runs down the breakaway. 448 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,720 Like if someone does break away in the middle of a 10K, the 449 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:28,600 field will kind of come back. I don't think anyone will let 450 00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:33,200 just a flyer go these days. So not putting as much energy 451 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:35,240 and emphasis into always watching the front and seeing 452 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,120 what's going on. Because in that race as well, 453 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:41,080 when it when it really came time to kick, I, I just was flat. 454 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,600 All right, so one thing that you brought up a couple times, you 455 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:49,440 know, earlier was, you know, the beauty of the off year is being 456 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,680 able to try new things. Your coach said that we might 457 00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:59,160 see you in an event that you've never done before and you've 458 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:04,760 done everything from 800 to 10K. So unless it's the steeplechase 459 00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,680 or a half marathon, all right, I guess like unless you want to 460 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,440 come out and just say, yeah, I'm going to do a half marathon this 461 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,120 in the in the coming months. What is the percentage 462 00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:16,560 likelihood we see you in the steeplechase and the percentage 463 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,200 likelihood we see you in 1/2 marathon? 464 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,960 So the steeple I, I've always wanted to try the steeple. 465 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,480 I, I've, I've basically always been told I'm too short for the 466 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,800 steeple. I think it's more likely you'd 467 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,520 see me in 1/2 marathon than a steeple. 468 00:26:29,120 --> 00:26:31,960 I haven't quite decided, you know, definitively if that's 469 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,080 going to happen or not. But it's something I have my eye 470 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,000 on because, you know, I'd like to try my hand at the roads at 471 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,200 some point. And I really don't want to wait 472 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:44,480 until like my track career is completely over to then, you 473 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,920 know, crawl onto the roads and see what happens. 474 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,720 Like, I'd like to give it a good go when I, when I do end up on 475 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,400 the road. So yeah, it's, it's on my mind. 476 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,800 I think the next month or two will really give insight into 477 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,280 when and where I'll feel ready for that. 478 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,840 But it's it's on the table for sure. 479 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,960 And and that's where like I think in a year where there's a 480 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,280 world championship that the half just like it's a little too 481 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:15,040 daunting it, it feels like too much of A departure from your 482 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,760 main goal. But I think this is a perfect 483 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,760 year to try to see what I can do. 484 00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:23,240 Kind of wipes, I guess, like in this hypothetical timeline, like 485 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,520 wipes Houston off the table, right, because it would be very 486 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:32,480 soon in January before Melrose. So it would be probably this is 487 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,680 just guessing aloud. Like the potential could be 488 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,880 something like who is it? I think didn't Woody just debut 489 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,280 in like at New York City half or something like that? 490 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,960 And it's like it could be like a fast course or something like 491 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,280 that. So it like it's just Someone 492 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:50,520 Like You, the first go you have at it immediately attracts 493 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,400 record speculation. For sure. 494 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,880 I mean, you know, in certain courses like attract that 495 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,480 conversation as well. You know, you brought up 496 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,440 Houston. Houston is lightning fast and 497 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,680 that would be a place to go after a quick time. 498 00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,360 You know, you look at some other courses. 499 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:08,640 New York is a very famous course. 500 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,040 Objectively, it's not as fast as Houston. 501 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,000 It's not as easy. But. 502 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,720 Sometimes you do get really fast results there, so that'll be 503 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,320 interesting too. Like, you know, I'm used to 504 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,680 every track being 400 meters. The the courses are all 505 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,160 different. The weather can play a bigger 506 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,760 factor. The pacer can play quite a big 507 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,000 factor. So I think I have some some 508 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,600 stuff to learn for the roads for sure. 509 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,880 I think a lot of things are on the table right now and it's 510 00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,520 it's an exciting feeling. Even even if I run 1/2 this 511 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,840 spring and it goes incredibly well, I don't think I would have 512 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,360 been like abandoned the track and just move to the roads. 513 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,760 But I think you're seeing more and more people kind of use half 514 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:52,040 marathons in in 10 K 5K, you know, training interchangeably. 515 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,960 I don't think they're too far different that you have to 516 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,000 change a ton. Now the marathon, the full 517 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,600 marathon is completely different like that. 518 00:28:59,920 --> 00:29:02,200 You can't get away with a full marathon without a marathon 519 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,920 build. But 1/2 I think like, you know, 520 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,840 with a a decent amount of time where I'm focused on half 521 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:13,080 marathon training, I think I think I could do pretty well. 522 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,400 You know, it's, it's completely new territory for me. 523 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,880 So I would definitely go in with respect for the distance, but 524 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,600 I'd also want to put my best foot forward and you know, 525 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,600 really go for it if if I end up doing it. 526 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,440 Yeah, I guess has it been interesting to just kind of 527 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:32,960 observe, you know, when old school used to be your days on 528 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,400 the track are over, head to the roads. 529 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,360 And now it's sort of like Connor has kind of kept his foot like 530 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,640 at least one foot on the track, even if it's for fun. 531 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,080 Like to jump into the pre classic 10K to see where he's at 532 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,560 and we'll spike up at the Olympic trials and then we see 533 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:54,200 just the results translate on the roads before totally like, 534 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,840 yeah, I know, I guess like waving off his his his track 535 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,400 days that like it's kind of to your point there. 536 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,720 It's sort of like, yeah, I mean, it's, it's better to at least 537 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,000 start the transition sooner rather than later. 538 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:10,760 Yeah, I think Connor is somewhat LED the charge in that where you 539 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:14,040 know you're going to the roads before like you've exhausted 540 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:15,560 everything you can do on the track. 541 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,320 And I think that's why you're starting to see a little more 542 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:22,440 depth on the marathon side for the US in, in many cases where 543 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,000 like, you know, a lot of the East African countries, Japan, 544 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,280 you know, they had way, way more depth in the US. 545 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:31,760 And a lot of those athletes would go straight to the roads 546 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,120 after, you know, they turned 2223. 547 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,040 Whereas in the US people were waiting till they were 33 to try 548 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,200 the roads. So you, I, I think you see 549 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,600 people reaching better potential. 550 00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:48,080 You know, especially for the marathon, at least from what 551 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,200 I've seen it, it seems like you need one or two to really get 552 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,480 your feet under yourself. And then by the third one, you 553 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,480 can start running pretty well. And you know, if you start that 554 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,560 process when you're 22 rather than 33, you're probably going 555 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,400 to get some better top end, you're going to get a little 556 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,280 better longevity and you're going to get much better depth. 557 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,680 So Connor's done a great job and I think you're seeing more and 558 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,680 more people. Casey Klinger is a good example. 559 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,360 Charles Hicks is a good example. More people are starting to look 560 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:22,280 at the roads at younger ages. I've obviously done it most of 561 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,640 my career on the OR all of my career on the track so far. 562 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,600 And so, yeah, I really don't want to wait till I'm 35 to 563 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:33,120 like, you know, crawl onto the roads and just, you know, 564 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,760 collect a check and then retire basically, you know, like I, I 565 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,040 really want to see if I can be good at, at the roads. 566 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,880 Yeah, 'cause I guess we're, we're talking about like a week 567 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:46,680 after the LA 28 schedule, like it's come out the 5K10K double 568 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,440 possible, the 10K marathon double also possible. 569 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,280 Like when you saw, I guess, like the outline of things, like 570 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,360 what, what were some of your fun thoughts? 571 00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,680 I guess as you laid out, I mean, we're we're we're we're mostly 572 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,600 focused on just like what's going to happen in the next 573 00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,160 couple months. But it like curiosity can get 574 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,680 the best of you when like these things come out way in advance. 575 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,000 Yeah, I mean, it's an idea. I've, I've always enjoyed the 576 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:15,240 concept of doubling. You know, it just gives you 2 577 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,960 opportunities to do something in a sport where like your most 578 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:22,560 important event only happens once a year, if that. 579 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,720 So yeah, the, the, I guess the, the Galen Rub double, the 580 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:33,080 marathon 10K double is possible. The 5K10K double is possible. 581 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:37,320 As, as it usually is, you know, the the next two years will 582 00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,640 dictate quite a bit on what I will focus on for 2028. 583 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,600 You know, of course, like when I speak to non runners, they're 584 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,400 like first question or only question is like, are you going 585 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,280 to keep training through 2028? Like, like they don't know that 586 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:53,120 there's anything between now and then either. 587 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,320 And yeah, I think, you know, everything's on the table. 588 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:03,680 I if, if a half marathon debut happens, then that will dictate, 589 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:07,960 you know, how aggressively I transition over to the roads and 590 00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,960 how quickly I would move that direction rather than staying on 591 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,920 the track. I don't have any illusions about 592 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,720 like career length. Like I think shoes have allowed 593 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,720 people to extend careers quite a bit, but your career always 594 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,280 seems to end like not necessarily on your decision 595 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,720 usually ends because your body starts falling apart. 596 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,800 So I'd like to make the most of it while my body's still feeling 597 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,440 good and I'm healthy and excited. 598 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,800 And yeah, 2028's a long way off. But yeah, the, the double S are 599 00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,240 exciting whether I go after them or someone else. 600 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,520 Like it opens up a lot of possibilities. 601 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:48,280 And I think most people feel now that, you know, if you're good 602 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,360 enough to make a 5K team, you're probably good enough to make a 603 00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,720 10K team. You might as well try if you're 604 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,360 you know, the the marathon 10K team is like a little bit more 605 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,280 of a stretch because those are quite different fitnesses to be 606 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,520 in simultaneously, but it's been done before. 607 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,719 The triple the, It's a bonus on triple. 608 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:15,040 Yeah, All right, Grant. Well final thing, give people a 609 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,280 reason to get their Melrose tickets if they haven't already 610 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:24,120 done so because it is the best indoor meet of the year so why 611 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,120 should they go and and pick up a pair of tickets? 612 00:34:27,199 --> 00:34:29,320 Yeah, I, I don't think there's been a year where people have 613 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,400 been disappointed by Milrose. So you're pretty much guaranteed 614 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,320 to get some sort of electric performance. 615 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,199 You most years you get several, you know, really, really 616 00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,280 historic performances. You know, Milrose is my favorite 617 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,320 indoor meat on the circuit that I've been able to run. 618 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,440 It's really enjoyable. The athletes all like it. 619 00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,000 The fans love it. It's kind of this, if you've 620 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,639 never been, it's a very intimate atmosphere where everyone's 621 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:58,200 packed on top of each other and you kind of have this like old 622 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,080 school feeling because it is a very historic meet in a very 623 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,800 historic building. But the track is, you know, 624 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,080 freshly resurfaced. You've got these Mr. things that 625 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,280 are like misting down water so that the air is not. 626 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:12,960 Too bicarb. Yeah, yeah. 627 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,480 They have aerosolized bicarb that you're breathing in. 628 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:19,520 It's it's just a good atmosphere. 629 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,120 It's really fun. I think everyone goes to that 630 00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:27,280 meet expecting to, you know, be in an absolute battle. 631 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,480 I've never really looked at like the performance score from 632 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,280 indoor meets, but Melrose has to be up there as far as like the 633 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:36,320 World Athletics cumulative point score. 634 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,560 It's it's a great mean. Sweet. 635 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,360 Well, Grant, best of luck in training over the next couple 636 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:44,360 months to get ready and I'm sure you guys will deliver in another 637 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,360 epic showdown at Melrose. Thanks man, looking forward to 638 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,800 it. All right, now I bring back on 639 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:53,680 Cole Hawker, which it feels like it was. 640 00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,880 It probably has been less than two months since we last chatted 641 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,040 to recap Tokyo, and now we're already getting ready to talk 642 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:05,480 about the indoor track season. Milrose Games 2026. 643 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:07,880 You're doing the Two Mile. Take me through the thought 644 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,320 process in signing up for the Two Mile this time around. 645 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,600 I know it never stops. First of all, track and like 646 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:21,760 this year being like the off year, if that even exists, I'm 647 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,160 realizing going into it that it's just not, it's not off 648 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,840 year, but I think people are going to be racing more 649 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,880 actually. But yeah, I'm excited for the 650 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,200 two mile. I think last year was, I'm 651 00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:41,520 biased, but like a race, race for the ages with me and Grant 652 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:46,560 going for that world record and I'll see why the two mile this 653 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,680 year would be any different. I feel like what we ran last 654 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:53,320 year is equivalent to what the record is right now in the two 655 00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,600 mile. And yeah, essentially the same 656 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,320 race. So I'm excited to run that back 657 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,080 and just, yeah, same kind of thought process has been for the 658 00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:05,240 past 2-3 years at this point of where I'm at in the season, the 659 00:37:05,240 --> 00:37:11,440 two mile makes a lot more sense. And also I just feel like it's a 660 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,840 really good event for me, so I get really excited about it, 661 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,680 especially indoors. It was probably such an epic 662 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:23,280 clash last year at Melrose. What makes Grant such a good 663 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:25,360 opponent for you? I guess like, 'cause that I mean 664 00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,040 it, it lived up to the hype of of the two of you going head to 665 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,560 head. Yeah, last year I really just 666 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:39,160 went in with the goal of sticking on whoever was in first 667 00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,200 and winning the race, and I had a good feeling it was going to 668 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,960 be Grant. Obviously you don't know until 669 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,200 kind of the race develops, but yeah, that was my plan last 670 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:50,680 year. I thought American Record was 671 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,280 within reach and then just one of those races where I felt 672 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,320 really good and that kind of made a move. 673 00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,080 It was like I went around them with whatever it was 3 laps to 674 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,600 go. Kind of uncharacteristic for how 675 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,520 I've raced in the past and I really happy with how I raced 676 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,240 that. And kind of to answer your 677 00:38:10,240 --> 00:38:13,680 question, Grant is so good because I know where his head's 678 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,200 AT and I think he knows where my head is at most of the time. 679 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,840 I know he, especially on that race, he was going to hammer it. 680 00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,160 He was going for a record. And I think he knew he had to 681 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,680 run away from me and I knew I had to not let him go. 682 00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:28,280 And so it just, it's just perfect. 683 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,960 And yeah, kind of back to like our strategies. 684 00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,360 They both run a little bit differently, but collide at all 685 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:41,000 these big races. And yeah, it's always, always a 686 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,840 good match up. One thing that stood out to me 687 00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:45,360 because I went back and like, watched some of the interviews 688 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,560 that you did after that race was that you said that it gave you 689 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:54,320 the confidence to take the lead or take the race early, even 690 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,200 though, like, you know, I guess like in the end, Grant got you 691 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,560 at the very end of the race. But it's sort of now that we 692 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,680 have like the full 2025 season to look back on. 693 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,040 How valuable, I guess, was that learning moment for moments 694 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,080 later on in the season? Like, did that just sort of come 695 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,280 back up in your mind? Yeah, it definitely did. 696 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,160 I think that was one where I didn't have that plan 697 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:24,280 necessarily to go when I did at the beginning of the race, But I 698 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,600 know I wanted to make a move and kind of kept telling myself I 699 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,320 want to grow as an athlete. I'm going to have to try 700 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,240 something I've never done. And I've gone to the front of 701 00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:37,440 races plenty of times, but not at that pace, not at a a pace 702 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,120 that neither of us have ran. I definitely not run close to 703 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,880 that pace for 3K. And so that was kind of the 704 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,840 thought process. How do I develop more as an 705 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,120 athlete, especially coming off that Olympic gold? 706 00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:52,960 Of course I knew the race wasn't going to be easy no matter how I 707 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:57,680 chose to run it, but that was one way to really push like what 708 00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:03,640 I thought was possible. And then I think a race like US 709 00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:08,520 5K, it wasn't fast, it wasn't of course it was a championship 710 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,160 race. But you know, I went to the 711 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,800 front and I LED for about 11 laps and, you know, that 712 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:18,320 strategy ended up paying off. So I like to think that the 713 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,040 Melrose race kind of played a part in that. 714 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,480 This episode of the City of Spank podcast is presented by 715 00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,120 the Wahoo Kicker Run. 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The scary declaration you had 756 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,200 after that race at Milrose was a sort of like you, you said that 757 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,800 you were already better than you were the year before. 758 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,600 And then we obviously knew that you went on to win the Olympic 759 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,560 gold medal in Paris. And so, you know, it kind of 760 00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,720 sends shivers down everyone's spine just being like, all 761 00:42:49,720 --> 00:42:52,280 right, if Cole is already at this point where he's believing 762 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:56,040 that he's levelled up year over year, how does how are you 763 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,280 hoping? I guess 2026 Cole, it compares 764 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:04,200 to the last time you ran A2 mile, which was 2024 and you 765 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,280 ran, what was it, 8 O3 in that same race where the world record 766 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,400 was broken. So it's like if you leveled up 767 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,840 last year, just sort of like, is it, do you think you're like 768 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:17,560 what, 30% better than you were 2024 last time you attempted the 769 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,440 same distance? Yeah, Yeah. 770 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:23,040 It's a good question. But I mean, no doubt in my mind 771 00:43:23,040 --> 00:43:27,000 that I'm a different athlete than I was in that race for 772 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,840 sure. I mean, that one, I felt like I 773 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:35,160 was really just hanging on versus last year it was, you 774 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:39,080 know, competing. And, you know, Kerr wasn't in 775 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,000 that one, but I'm not sure if he's going to be in this one. 776 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:46,040 But, you know, I think that was the fastest that anyone was 777 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,960 going to run that day is what me and Grant did. 778 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,000 Just sheer confidence in my training and what I've done so 779 00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,440 far. And year after year I feel like, 780 00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,200 true, like I feel like I'm a real testament of just trusting 781 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,240 the process as much as people say that. 782 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,240 But it just has shown me the past two years how these major 783 00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:08,440 championships have ended up and honestly how these big ones 784 00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,120 along the way. Like Melrose, it's gone really 785 00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:15,000 well the past few years and each year I feel like I'm better 786 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,800 mentally and definitely physically. 787 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,240 Have you had the chance already to sit down and kind of map out 788 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:22,360 the indoor season with Coach Thomas? 789 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,480 Yeah, kind of loosely. I mean, there's only so many 790 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:30,880 options, but I think loosely the plan right now is Melrose 791 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,400 definitely in indoor Usas and then we might be doing a race at 792 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,720 JDL in between there setting up a fast mile. 793 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,400 I think they got a new track. I think it's, I don't think it's 794 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,000 a flat track anymore, but yeah, it'd be those three. 795 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,920 And then obviously world indoors, it's the ultimate goal 796 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,040 for the indoor season. Yeah. 797 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,080 I guess like last year the decision was not to run, you 798 00:44:56,080 --> 00:45:00,640 know, USA indoors or World indoors and because I guess you 799 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,600 guys had Grand Slam early on in the season. 800 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:08,240 So is it just sort of this year, this upcoming year that early 801 00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:11,360 spring is a little bit more freed up as of right now that 802 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,000 it's sort of like, all right, let's just see the whole indoor 803 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,760 season through to to the end? Yeah, definitely. 804 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,240 I mean, last year was like a kind of, yeah, that Grand Slam 805 00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:22,960 circuit was something that no one's done and everyone was kind 806 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,920 of learning as we went. And that was what I was 807 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,360 committed to last year. So I wanted to give that 808 00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,120 everything. And yeah, now it's in. 809 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,240 Also there was a, I'm not sure makes too much of a difference, 810 00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:40,280 but there was a a true world championship at the end of that 811 00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,280 calendar. You know, I'm obviously going to 812 00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,400 race the Ultimate Championship this year and, and do all that, 813 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,520 but World Indoors is a global title that's up for grabs and 814 00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,880 hopefully 2 events, you know, so that I feel like it just 815 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,120 wouldn't make sense not to do that. 15103 K right? 816 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:03,680 Yeah. And then world ultimate double, 817 00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:08,360 I mean you got 2 spots right? Yeah, it worked out well for for 818 00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:10,840 how it went, Yeah. So I'm hyped on that. 819 00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:14,520 All right, So I guess final things about Millrose, it's like 820 00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:19,240 now you've gotten the chance to experience the crowds there 821 00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:21,840 multiple times. I guess what makes it probably, 822 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,160 I guess, yeah, I'll say it, the best indoor meet of the whole 823 00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,760 entire calendar year. I haven't done any other indoor 824 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:32,320 meats outside of the USI mean I guess I did Glasgow. 825 00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,800 BU yeah. Yeah, yeah. 826 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,160 But even, I mean, the what I raced at BU was abysmal last 827 00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,440 year. I I don't think I went on the 828 00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,360 right weekend, but. Yeah, no one was there for you 829 00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:47,760 guys for. Fanfare, yeah, but yeah, 830 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,840 Miller's is like the place to be and I think it was the OR 831 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,440 something like it was like the highest scoring indoor meet ever 832 00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:59,040 last year or high up there. So like the the performances 833 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:04,200 live up to the atmosphere and then anytime, just anything in 834 00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,680 New York is going to be like pretty cool. 835 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,200 I always love going there and competing and you can feel the 836 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:14,040 energy. And yeah, just like the actual 837 00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,200 structure is set up to where people are kind of on top of you 838 00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,200 on the track, which is great for a runner. 839 00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:25,520 So yeah, hard to beat. Highly recommend anyone to to 840 00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,080 attend that if they haven't. You, you kind of mentioned 841 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,200 before just sort of like the three K equivalent of what you 842 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:34,000 guys ran last year puts you kind of right in line to to try and 843 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:39,440 get under Josh's world record. So the world record 8 flat .67. 844 00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,600 I mean, what's more important here just sort of like getting 845 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,120 that or do you, is it just the win when you're up against 846 00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,640 Grant? I feel like it's obvious. 847 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:51,600 It's sort of like similar to last year. 848 00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:55,320 The time will come just as a consequence of the two of you 849 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,360 guys fighting. Yeah, yeah. 850 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,880 And I think that's definitely the case, but also I would like 851 00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:06,480 to make sure that happens without, I feel like Grant 852 00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,880 pretty much he'd carry the race through like at least 853 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,760 guaranteeing an American record. I'd like to think I when I went 854 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,520 around that kind of put us in that world record contention and 855 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:20,880 then it got real. Like with those last three laps, 856 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,520 maybe we would have kept that. Grant would have kept that pace 857 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,680 regardless. But I'm definitely wanting to 858 00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:29,160 get go after that. I mean, that's on on my To Do 859 00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,560 List this season. I feel like it's within reach 860 00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,720 and it's just one of those that it's going to line up well and 861 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,800 makes sense. So regardless of how anyone else 862 00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:41,800 wants to race it, I want to go after that. 863 00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:47,240 And but I'm sure Grant and maybe someone else is probably 864 00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:49,520 thinking the same thing. Because you still don't have 865 00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:50,880 one, right? No world record. 866 00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:52,080 Right. No world record. 867 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,480 It's pathetic. No. 868 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:57,920 All right, let's give you the 1st will call. 869 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:03,800 Excited for Melrose and well I guess before I let you go, let 870 00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,480 people know I guess why no cross country? 871 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,880 You broke some people's hearts by like deciding to skip out on 872 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,960 USAS. Yeah, I, I, I'm sorry, first of 873 00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:18,000 all, but it just like for me, how I want to set up my season, 874 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,920 it came down just like you can't do it all as much as I really 875 00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,880 want to. And I think it's really cool 876 00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,680 that it's in the US, It just didn't makes sense for the turn 877 00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:32,400 around from Tokyo for me and how I want to build up into this 878 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,600 indoor season because I'm not going to race a cross country on 879 00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:39,600 US championship if I'm not ready, like I'm not going to go 880 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,280 out there for a workout. So I was going to have to get 881 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,880 really fit really fast. And that's kind of a recipe for 882 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,920 injury most of the time. And especially when like what I 883 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,680 was just saying, the indoor season is pretty big this year 884 00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:55,640 and there's a global medal for that. 885 00:49:55,640 --> 00:50:00,400 So, and on top of that, I feel like 5K is long. 886 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,080 I don't know if 10K is still a stretch. 887 00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,760 I think I could compete well at it, but it is a stretch and I 888 00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:10,080 that's going to take a big base building period and I just 889 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:11,440 didn't have time for that this year. 890 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,040 All right, all right. I think the people will forgive 891 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:17,120 you and then you'll just deliver on fireworks. 892 00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,200 Camille Rose. So Cole, always appreciate the 893 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:21,320 time. Yeah. 894 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,800 Thanks, Chris. 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