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I'm Preet Majethia. 45 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:31,640 We got a lot to talk about Preet. 46 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:36,920 You know, the funniest thing is when we do these podcasts and 47 00:02:36,920 --> 00:02:39,960 then we look ahead to the weekend, we're like, there 48 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:43,160 really isn't, you know, that much action taking place. 49 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:50,000 We kind of jinx ourselves and then a bunch of earth shattering 50 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,720 performances seem to happen out of nowhere because, you know, 51 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:57,960 we're not necessarily going to sit here and spend an hour 52 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:01,200 previewing the Australian Championships or the Paris 53 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:07,680 Marathon because you know, they're not to the level of AUS 54 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:12,040 as British champs, you know, major marathons and all that 55 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,000 kind of stuff. So they kind of fly by the 56 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,320 radar. But we did have some really big 57 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,760 performances taking place at those. 58 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,560 So we've got that to talk about. We'll catch up on world. 59 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,280 The World Marathon Championships were announced I think the day 60 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:31,000 after we recorded our last episode. 61 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,760 So that's almost a week old, but we definitely have some thoughts 62 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:39,120 on that. We'll hit our usual Yakabinga 63 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:43,720 Britsen injury update and then in the second-half of this 64 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,760 episode, definitely wanted to spend time previewing the Boston 65 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,320 Marathon and everything that the CDs Mag team will have going on 66 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,160 there. We will be partnering with 67 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,520 Brooks this weekend. And so if you were in the Boston 68 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:02,360 area, come out to our Shake Out Run at 8:00 AM at 400 Newbury 69 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,560 Street. So that's where the Brooks 70 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:08,520 Hyperion House will be. We've got Clayton Young, Erica 71 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,920 Kemp, CJ Albertson, Turner Wiley, Amanda Vestry, All of 72 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,120 their marathoners will be coming out on Saturday morning to jog 73 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,720 with us. And then from there, right after 74 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,400 that's all done, there'll be coffee, refreshments, some 75 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:26,880 snacks, and I'll also record a live conversation with Jess 76 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,880 McLean just, you know, checking in before she runs the Boston 77 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:32,400 Marathon. It's not like we have other 78 00:04:32,400 --> 00:04:36,200 things to catch up on from the last couple of months with Jess, 79 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:41,080 but that should be a lot of fun. And then on Monday, you can 80 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:46,360 TuneIn and watch the CS Mac watch along live starting, I 81 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:51,200 think at about 8:30 AM is when we'll aim to go live. 82 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,640 We'll be at the Hyperion house. And then that'll be myself. 83 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:58,400 Ayesha Pratlier, Eric Jenkins and Kyle Merber bring you guys 84 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:03,640 all of our live reactions, updates, splits and commentary 85 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:09,000 on all the action taking place. But yeah, so we've got a busy 86 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,840 weekend ahead. How's your past weekend Preet? 87 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,800 To be honest, I you know, I got ill after coming back from wild 88 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:17,640 indoors. I recovered promptly. 89 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:21,960 Got ill again last week. So just been recovering and 90 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:25,280 actually planning my sort of travel for the summer or my 91 00:05:25,280 --> 00:05:28,840 accreditations trying to see where I can get to. 92 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:33,200 The most egregious part is Commonwealth Games where the 93 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:38,960 hotel prices in Glasgow are £400 a night or in that yeah, it's 94 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,720 absolutely bonkers. So yeah, that, that I've been 95 00:05:42,720 --> 00:05:46,000 struggling with with the cost of of getting there and then trying 96 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:50,160 to figure that one out. But yes, no, so so that's that's 97 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:55,280 been my weekend, not. As exciting as expensive track 98 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:58,720 meet to get out to, I guess that is forthcoming. 99 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,400 Indeed. Yeah, I was going to say the 100 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,800 obviously we've been seeing a lot of a few people on social 101 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:09,920 media screenshotting their ticket options for the Olympics 102 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:14,440 because the the ticketing has just opened and I think each 103 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:20,160 session of athletics, track and field, $1000 plus per ticket. 104 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,480 So yeah. And so in some cases $5000 a 105 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,560 ticket. And I just remember booking my 106 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,920 tickets for Paris, where I paid for the final day of track, 107 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:37,680 which had about 8 or 9 finals. I paid €125.00 for quite a 108 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:39,760 decent ticket. Yeah. 109 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:42,160 And that was like last minute, last minute ticket pick up. 110 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,240 But you know, and then some of them, one of the morning 111 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:51,480 sessions, I paid €25.00. So yeah, I, yeah, this this is a 112 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:54,120 world away from from that, shall we say. 113 00:06:54,800 --> 00:07:01,080 Well, so the good news is pre is because I guess we operate with 114 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:06,040 different global or or I guess Olympic governing bodies where 115 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,360 the US accreditation is handled by the USOPC. 116 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:15,520 And I presume the British credentialing process is maybe 117 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:19,520 similar but different in some ways to how we do it out here. 118 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,440 So we'll have to investigate to make sure that maybe we just 119 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,560 save you money and get you credentialed. 120 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:30,880 So we're in a fortunate spot where, you know, we, I've been 121 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,240 credentialed now for 2 Olympics, one with Sports Illustrated in 122 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:38,360 Rio and then one in Paris for Sidious. 123 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:42,240 We actually got 2 credentials. The other one was given to 124 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:47,640 Anderson. And so hopefully, I'm banking on 125 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,520 the fact that we can hopefully get 2 credentials again this 126 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:55,320 time around. And the big thing for us too is 127 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,600 just sort of when we are selective with who our partners 128 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,760 are for global championships. So, you know, when we partner 129 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:04,920 with ASICS at World Championships, you know, they're 130 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,480 in a position to, you know, float some tickets here and 131 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:10,560 there. The Olympics is another animal. 132 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,680 But you know, when ASICS was really great to us, I think in 133 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,040 Paris, and they were able to do that as well. 134 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,160 But I did look at the Amex statement coming back from 135 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:23,960 Paris, and there were a couple days where Mack had to shell out 136 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,760 the the company card to get people into the stadium. 137 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:32,000 And now I don't know how we're going to be able to afford some 138 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,919 of that this time around to try and get, you know, six or seven 139 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:37,679 people in for an evening session. 140 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:42,320 So, yeah, I mean, but this is kind of expected LA the United 141 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,000 States just right, like it's gonna it was, it was bound to be 142 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,440 pricey. It's just really unfortunate 143 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,520 that it shuts out so many people. 144 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:57,000 There was this whole thing about locals being able to get tickets 145 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,440 for $27.00. And then when they signed on, 146 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:03,520 like all that inventory was gone. 147 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,640 And I think, you know, you'd be at the cheapest ticket for 148 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,800 certain things was like $2000. And it's like, that's way off of 149 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,520 what I was promised I'd listen to off the rails. 150 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,440 And Aisha made the case of just sort of like how she, you know, 151 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,440 said it was an unpopular opinion on her side that she thinks it 152 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,520 should be expensive. Like if track and field is, you 153 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:28,760 know, the premier or most prestigious sport at and highly 154 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,560 regarded at the Olympics, that should be a big ticket item. 155 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,640 And I don't know, I don't necessarily know if I entirely 156 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,560 agree. I think like there should be 157 00:09:39,560 --> 00:09:43,320 just sort of some accessibility to to it. 158 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,960 But yeah, I mean, I, I guess like for you as someone who has 159 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:53,080 bought tickets to Olympic sessions, like did you, I mean, 160 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,640 I, you kind of expected that this would be the case. 161 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:00,400 Yes and no, right. So I am so so I think there's 162 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,520 two things, right. So there's also at the moment 163 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:06,400 there's a big outcry about the football World Cup, which is 164 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,240 obviously also happening in the US right now. 165 00:10:09,640 --> 00:10:11,160 Did you? Just see it the the news was an 166 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,440 hour ago that like to take the train from Manhattan to New 167 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:19,080 Jersey to, you know, the stadium which is out in the Meadowlands, 168 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,320 which it's at least like 100 bucks. 169 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,720 And normally, you know, when people are commuting here it's 170 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:28,600 $12.00. So exactly yes. 171 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,280 And I think it just and I think that on top of the like the 172 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:36,480 tickets again, a similarly priced, you know, 1000 thousands 173 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:40,520 of dollars for, for tickets to to the various matches. 174 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,400 And even some not very interesting matches have like a 175 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:46,120 minimum like $1000 tickets. And then obviously the more 176 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,080 popular matches are much more expensive. 177 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,200 And I think there's two like just to explain the reason why 178 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:56,920 the tickets are more expensive in AUS global event. 179 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,480 I think that people may not realize is that if you, the 180 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,760 Paris Olympics or any other Olympics or any other World Cup, 181 00:11:05,840 --> 00:11:09,600 essentially the state government of the host nation funds 182 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:14,920 billions of dollars to put on that event in the US that does 183 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:17,240 not happen. So the revenue has to be 184 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,080 generated elsewhere. I mean, the Olympics obviously 185 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,800 always generates revenue from sponsorship, but that is in 186 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,680 addition to the, the government funding, which funds a lot of 187 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:30,920 the infrastructure, a lot of security, a lot of the other 188 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,280 kind of staff costs and running costs and, and all of that. 189 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,200 And, and, and, and obviously, and I think in the case of, for 190 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,480 example, this World Cup and the trains, it's like the states are 191 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:46,120 having to bear extra costs for transport and security and, and 192 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:48,080 police presence and all of that kind of thing. 193 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,680 You know, obviously you'll have to have fire service, ambulance 194 00:11:50,680 --> 00:11:53,280 service, all of that kind of stuff on standby as well. 195 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:57,960 There's a lot of stuff that that goes into it and the sheer cost 196 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,040 of doing all of that, The federal government is not 197 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:03,520 bankrolling any of it. And this is the same, this is 198 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,880 going to be the same in in LA as well. 199 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,400 And I suspect we'll have the same issues with train tickets. 200 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,840 I wouldn't be surprised when we come to LA. 201 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,120 Well, LA doesn't really have trains, I suppose, but you know. 202 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,360 They're supposed to, but I'm not holding my breath for it. 203 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,080 But but I think, yeah. So that probably explains the 204 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,360 reason why they are, you know, and I suppose the other part of 205 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:27,680 it is you are used to like, what do you, what do you pay 206 00:12:27,680 --> 00:12:29,960 normally, you know, to go to a football game, to go to a 207 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,240 basketball game or a hockey game in, in the US typically like 208 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,840 what's the what's the normal going going rate if to go to an 209 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:39,160 average game? If I wanted to get decent seats 210 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:43,240 that I like, I'm comfortable spending anywhere from 100 to 211 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,200 150 bucks. Right. 212 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:51,160 And I suppose the contrast in the UK is that you will be able 213 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,760 to get seats to a football match for, I mean, yes, you'll get the 214 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,920 sixty 7000 LB tickets, but you'll also be able to get 215 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,800 tickets to a football match for a soccer match for 25 lbs. 216 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:04,440 And you'll be able to get 35 lbs you'll be able to get tickets 217 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:06,960 to. I can get into Wimbledon for 20 218 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:10,440 lbs. I can get into 25 lbs, yeah, for 219 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:12,200 a ground pass and I can spend the whole day there. 220 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,160 It's fabulous, right? Like, you know, there's, there's 221 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,560 a, there's a culture like the London Diamond League, like 222 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:18,680 sells at 60,000. Seats. 223 00:13:18,680 --> 00:13:19,760 What's the cheapest ticket there? 224 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,920 But the cheapest tickets there are like 25 lbs and then the 225 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,000 kids tickets that there were kids tickets, they're cheaper as 226 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,080 well. So you know, people can bring a 227 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:30,800 whole family along for 60 pounds £100, right? 228 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:32,840 And you can bring your whole family with your kids. 229 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:36,840 And there's a big culture, I think in Europe as well of you 230 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,720 bring your family, you bring your kids, you go, you go to see 231 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,680 the sport and it's, it's, it's accessible. 232 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:44,840 And that's really, that's really big. 233 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:49,160 And, and I think maybe the issue is that because of the way the 234 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,120 funding works, because of the amount of money involved, there 235 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,080 was just not that culture. There's an uproar if the Premier 236 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,480 League, if any Premier League soccer team tries to up its 237 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,000 season ticket prices or its ticket prices, there's absolute 238 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,160 uproar. So, so most of the football 239 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,560 clubs have basically accepted the fact they can't really make 240 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:08,280 revenue out of ticket sales. They they make a little bit, but 241 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,000 it's not just the VIP and hospitality stuff. 242 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,280 And I think it's a very different kind of thing in the 243 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,040 US. So that's the reason why the 244 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,240 ticket prices are so different. But I think it is a real shame 245 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:23,280 because the reality is that no one really from outside the US, 246 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,360 there are very few people other than, you know, people who are 247 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:28,800 very, very wealthy who are genuinely going to be able to 248 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,040 afford to come out to LA and, and attend the Olympics. 249 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,480 Right. Because in the US, yes, there's 250 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,160 also a different kind of way of looking at disposal income. 251 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,000 That's the other part of it, which let's not get into 252 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:43,160 economics and and all of that, but you know that the way you 253 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,640 look at this goes from the way you use disposable income is 254 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:50,400 also very different to the way we do it in in Europe. 255 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,920 So I think there's a lot of factors that go into it, but it 256 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,800 does mean that I think these games will be very inaccessible 257 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:02,280 to people from outside the US, which that's certainly what it's 258 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:05,520 looking like right now. And the other point of confusion 259 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:08,640 is sort of like, you know, raising the prices doesn't do 260 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,480 anything for like, the athletes competing, right? 261 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:16,000 Like the athletes take home 0 from ticket sales and all that 262 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,720 kind of stuff. And so you're only just making 263 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,320 it harder for them to have 10 family members in the stands. 264 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:24,880 Absolutely, yeah. I mean, this, this is another 265 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:26,360 problem. I really hope they do something 266 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:29,880 for athletes, family members and stuff and and give them special 267 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,480 allocation of cheaper tickets because that would be, it would 268 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:35,600 be insane, especially if you don't know if your family 269 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:38,160 members going to make the final or make the semi final or 270 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,720 whatever it is, right? Like how are you going to buy 271 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,040 tickets for those sessions and then then they don't make it or 272 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,120 they get injured or you know, whatever. 273 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,280 They just don't get through. You got to wonder like what 274 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,200 parents of these of athletes are out there right now who are 275 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,920 working really hard to, you know, get a hold of these 276 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:59,520 tickets willing to spend, you know, 2, you know, 2005 $1000 on 277 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,640 a session where their kid is set. 278 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,800 Like for example, say I'm, I don't. 279 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:07,920 Know well Amber Anning's mom actually posted on on Twitter so 280 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,840 she actually posted on Twitter with her kind of attempt to get 281 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:14,080 tickets for the 400 meter final and semi final and. 282 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:18,240 That's a loving parent see now the the question is, if you're 283 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:21,400 an active professional track athlete right now, you should be 284 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,760 asking your parents, did you even try to get tickets for the 285 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,240 LA Olympics to figure out what where their confidence level is 286 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,960 at on. You even making it to the games? 287 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,600 Yeah, well, yeah. Well, can you? 288 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,520 Can you imagine the parents of the next Koopa Lutkin house who 289 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:41,760 will only find out that their kid is that good in in May or 290 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,920 June of 2028 and therefore won't have any tickets to the 291 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,640 Olympics? You have to feel sorry for them 292 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,360 cuz I'm sure we'll get a couple of breakout stars at the Olympic 293 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,560 Trials when it comes down to it. But then on the flip side, if 294 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,760 you're a Cooper Lectern has his parents, you could also just be 295 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:03,400 like, all right, I get LA's the really nice one to go home soil 296 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:05,960 probably can, you know, shell out some extra money for that. 297 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,319 But they're like, but we've got like two or three more of these 298 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:13,760 things coming down the future because my kid is that good. 299 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,280 So you can play it both ways. Just sort of if you're a parent 300 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,359 and your kid asks you, did you try and get tickets and you say 301 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:23,319 no, you could always just tell him he's like, no, I have 302 00:17:23,319 --> 00:17:25,880 confidence you're going to make the next one not not LA. 303 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,360 All right, so that was just sort of like some of the uproar we've 304 00:17:31,360 --> 00:17:37,720 seen lately on on Olympic ticket prices. 305 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,120 Let's get into some of the action that took place this past 306 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:43,200 weekend and we're going to obviously bounce around. 307 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,680 We'll touch on the, you know, marathon World Championships 308 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:48,960 before we start some Boston Marathon discussion. 309 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:55,760 So I think the biggest one that has made global headlines and 310 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:00,840 also has gone viral like every single one of his races does, is 311 00:18:01,240 --> 00:18:05,640 the Australian Sprint phenom Gout Gout, clocking a stunning 312 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:11,560 19.67 seconds at the Australian National Championships on 313 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,880 Sunday. That moves him to number 16 in 314 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:20,440 history. It is a new U20 world record and 315 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,880 there's some confusion over that because it's like, well, didn't 316 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,040 Area Knighton run 19/4 that time? 317 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,680 And you know, unfortunately it was never ratified by World 318 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:35,600 Athletics because it was just at it like at LSU home meet and he 319 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,240 I guess wasn't able to get drug tested in time. 320 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,440 So that one came off the books or didn't come off the books or 321 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,000 just was not ratified. So just sitting on this atop the 322 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:49,040 all time list, Gout Gout shattered his own national 323 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:54,800 record of 20 point O2 by .26 seconds. 324 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:59,760 Afterwards, there was a little bit of skepticism I think 325 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,480 floating around online. Sure, you had a big population 326 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:07,120 of people who were celebrating the performance and being wowed 327 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,240 because he is a generational talent. 328 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:16,000 But then when you look at the rest of the results, 7 of the 8 329 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,800 finalists that were behind him ran personal best 2nd place 330 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:25,160 finisher was Aidan Murphy, who slashed more than half a second 331 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,120 off of his previous personal best. 332 00:19:27,600 --> 00:19:31,720 So you had tons of people online kind of throwing up question 333 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,480 marks, including I think I saw a clip from Justin Gatlin. 334 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,280 And yeah, so it was a little bit of a head scratcher. 335 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,480 And ironically, I guess just like a day or two before we had 336 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:50,200 this like 98, I think, that was run by a Brazilian sprinter in 337 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,120 South America. And then they weren't able to 338 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:54,840 ratify the time. And so even the meat was just 339 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,120 like, that one doesn't really count. 340 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,920 So in our group chat, we initially, I guess the first 341 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,600 reaction, I think was someone joked and said, oh, all right, 342 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:05,560 the officials went from Brazil all the way out to Australia. 343 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:10,760 But yeah, so I mean, it's created a little bit of doubt, 344 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,200 right? Because it was a big jump. 345 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,440 It's, you know, several people have tried to explain it. 346 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:21,840 There's the, that particular stadium had a newly resurfaced 347 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:24,560 track. You could have had, you know, it 348 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:29,840 was 1.9 wind, so just under the maximum amount allowed. 349 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,080 And we can get a little bit into sort of how the wind readings 350 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:39,640 work in a 200 because that may be a factor here as well. 351 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:45,040 But Gout Gout pushed back to all of this, saying that he knew 352 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,240 that he'd be capable of sub 20 for years. 353 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:51,520 In fact, like right before this race, he had, I think, written 354 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,960 in his journal that he was going to run 9.75 or 7-9, something 355 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,760 like that. And he ends up surpassing that 356 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:01,840 and runs 1967. He did the little 6 seven thing 357 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:06,200 that all the teenagers do. But yeah, Preet, where did you 358 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:11,480 sort of initially land on unpacking these results? 359 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,680 Yeah, I mean, it's a world U20 record and I think it's 360 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,480 something we've been hoping to see from gag out for a while. 361 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,520 And I think I'm just happy that he got his sub 20, He got his 362 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:26,080 legal sub 20. He did it on home soil in a, you 363 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,880 know, in a good race with, with, you know, I mean, it would have 364 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,680 been good to see Lucky Kennedy in that race as well alongside 365 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,000 him just to kind of give us a better gauge of what's 366 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,360 happening, because those races between him and and lucky 367 00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:40,160 Kennedy have been pretty competitive. 368 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:46,000 But you know, yes, look, I can understand people having a 369 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,440 little bit of skepticism, but at the same time, this is the 370 00:21:48,440 --> 00:21:51,600 Australian championships. They're you know, I don't think 371 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,840 we have any particular doubt that their timing equipment is 372 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,880 up to scratch and, and, and, and whatever. 373 00:21:57,120 --> 00:22:02,200 So I think it and it is a little unfortunate that people go a 374 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:06,840 little bit too far in kind of trying to throw shade or cast 375 00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:09,680 out on it because I don't think that is in any way fair or 376 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,280 right. And look, you know, in some of 377 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,560 these performances, I think, you know, as we'll come on to the 378 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,640 wind readings that there might be something in that because 379 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:25,320 everybody in this race, PR by, you know, the top five, PR by 380 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,320 more than like .2 of a second, The guy who came second in the 381 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,560 race, PR by half a second. Like there were PRS all over the 382 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,400 place. So it was one of those races 383 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,800 where the conditions were clearly perfect for 200m 384 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:40,680 running. And you know that that's, you 385 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,680 know, and he took full advantage of that. 386 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,760 But 19.67, even if you say, OK, maybe there was some favourable 387 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,920 wind, it's still a sub 20. I think, you know, there's 388 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,160 still, there's still, I don't think there's any doubt that 389 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,760 he's run sub 20. And look, yes, we're going to 390 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,400 have to wait and see. Like how can you repeat that, 391 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,320 you know, elsewhere And you know, he's just been announced 392 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:04,840 for, you know, 150. It's Noah Lyles and the 200 393 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:06,880 against Tobogo is it? Something like that. 394 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,880 Oslo Diamond League, he'll go up against Tobogo. 395 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:11,920 That's the real test. Absolutely. 396 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:14,080 Exactly. And I, yeah, I was just booking 397 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,400 my tickets to Oslo today. So I'm quite, quite excited for 398 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,480 that, you know, So, yeah, I mean, look, I think it will be 399 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,640 good to see how he does when he when he gets out there and, and, 400 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,120 and and tries to face up against the likes of Lyles and, and 401 00:23:27,120 --> 00:23:29,640 Tobago on, on the Diamond League this summer. 402 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,640 And, you know, you have to also give credit to his team, right? 403 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:39,160 His team are taking a very measured, very cautious approach 404 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:43,080 to his development, right then he's not going to Commonwealth 405 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,880 Games. He's going to well, G 20s he, 406 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,720 you know, very consciously, you know, even though he was at 407 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,280 Monaco Diamond League, he didn't run in the main race. 408 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,760 And you know, we were slightly annoyed about that, you know, 409 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,640 and he ran in AU 23 separate like 200 to meet a race. 410 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:02,400 But I think they are they are focused on the goal, right? 411 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,360 We see so many of these young phenoms who kind of burn out and 412 00:24:06,360 --> 00:24:09,880 they are laser focused on the fact that they want him to be at 413 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,840 his best. They don't care if he medals in 414 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,640 2028. They care about him meddling in 415 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,840 2032 in Brisbane in a home Olympics, right? 416 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:20,320 That is where they want him to be at his best. 417 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,880 So if they take things a bit slowly now you know that nothing 418 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,560 wrong with that. And I think this time maybe is a 419 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,600 little bit, it's almost annoying, right? 420 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,920 It's like I would have liked to, you know, I think almost it 421 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,200 would have been better for him and for everybody and for the 422 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,200 discourse. And like, had he run a 99, kind 423 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,720 of just kind of ticked it off in a solid, solid race. 424 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,800 You know, no questions about the time of the wind or whatever 425 00:24:47,800 --> 00:24:49,400 else that that's floating around. 426 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:53,640 And he just shown that, yes, I'm here, I'm good, I'm slowly 427 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:57,320 getting better. And this jump kind of it just 428 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:00,360 causes it causes that, that discussion, which we don't want 429 00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:03,560 to see. But, you know, great run. 430 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:08,240 He's got the world U20 record. And it also highlighted how 431 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,880 impressive Aaron Knighton's been over the last few years until 432 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,760 obviously he got banned that, you know, he has the top 433 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:24,200 1234567810111213 marks U 20 marks in history ahead of Usain 434 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,240 Bolt before before this race. So, you know, yes, OK, but I 435 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,960 think the 1949 as it isn't ratified as a record, but you 436 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,040 know, he'd run he'd be so consistent in running those 437 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:42,240 19619 seven nineteen 8 repeatedly, which is just just 438 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,520 very, very impressive. And yeah, let's hope Gout Gout 439 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,080 can kind of do similar. And that's the easiest way to go 440 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,200 viral nowadays is just to run faster than Bolt at a certain 441 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,760 age. Like this one is .26 seconds 442 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:56,840 faster than Bolt at the same age. 443 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,480 If you are watching this on YouTube, it's probably because 444 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,640 our thumbnail for this video said something then faster than 445 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:08,480 Bolt at 18. And yeah, that's what people 446 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,120 have gravitated towards. I love that you brought up just 447 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:14,400 sort of like how good Ariana Knighton was, I guess, prior to 448 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:19,960 the suspension, because Anderson brought it up in our group chat. 449 00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,040 And so did David Mellie because I think he's writing about this 450 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:26,040 for the Lab Count newsletter. Just the number of times that, 451 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,600 you know, he's kind of dipped under Bolts, you know, previous 452 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,520 U20 mark. And then also. 453 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,800 But Anderson, I think kind of like pushed back on it saying 454 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,280 like, but it also kind of goes to show you that really, you 455 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,520 know, these you 20 times are all fine and dandy, but no one 456 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:47,600 really remembers until you bring home a gold medal at like the 457 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,480 highest level. And so that's the the big goal. 458 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:56,480 I do agree with you that his team has been sort of always 459 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:01,400 very intentional in the slow, slow approach to getting him to 460 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,760 these biggest stages. And the right experience is 461 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:10,200 because as annoyed as we were last year when he ends up 462 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:15,920 running AU 23 race in Monaco. Yeah, I guess like now he's 463 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:21,320 he'll finally get his true test as a senior at the Diamond 464 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,480 League in Oslo and 1 overlook thing because when this race 465 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,320 happened, you know, the big question around Gaut Gaut is 466 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,560 like, OK, so he's running all these fast times, but he's 467 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,760 beating, you know, fellow 16 year old Australians. 468 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,400 Who's the best person that Gaut Gaut has ever beaten? 469 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,080 And then you piped up quick and where you're like Colin, Kevin 470 00:27:40,360 --> 00:27:45,720 and Shipi in that U23 race. Now, maybe he's not necessarily 471 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,120 at the same level that he is now, but it's showing that these 472 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:53,040 two guys are making some pretty big jumps in their fitness. 473 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:59,200 At the end of the day, gawk out is a legit true talent. 474 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,400 Like there's no denying that. And these conditions, which I 475 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,440 misspoke before, I think I said 1.9 wind. 476 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:11,480 It was 1.7 wind were as good as you could legally get and now 477 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,520 you still do have your wind sleuths out there right now who 478 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:21,240 are looking closely at the flags and you know videos to see just 479 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,280 sort of what direction the wind was blowing. 480 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,920 And so for the people who may not be as familiar, 200 meter 481 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:33,680 wind measurements and track are captured on the final 482 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:39,120 straightaway. And they, I guess like if you 483 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:43,240 look at a 200, then if you did manage to get some sort of 484 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:50,240 diagonal tailwind blowing at 45°, they could get a pretty big 485 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:54,320 boost on the bend that isn't necessarily captured by the wind 486 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:59,360 reading and it would still register as a legal performance 487 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,480 because the wind reading was taken at the other spot. 488 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:07,440 So it's a very, it's a confluence of all these 489 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,360 different things potentially happening at the same exact time 490 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,760 that doesn't register necessarily in the results. 491 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,360 So I wasn't in the stadium. I can't speak like we'd have to 492 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,760 call up Mitch and which I was hoping to do for today's episode 493 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,400 because, you know, he was there, he got to see it. 494 00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,560 But in the also in the moment, you're not necessarily thinking 495 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:32,040 of and feeling like which direction is the wind hitting me 496 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,680 at right now? Your focus on the race and the 497 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,000 action. So it could just be just sort of 498 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:40,440 all of these things happened it, you know, there could have been 499 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,240 a, you know, boost that he got on the on the, you know, on the 500 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:49,160 curve. But yeah, I mean, it just it all 501 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,640 aligned. And I also saw a very 502 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:57,640 interesting video from Oh, man, help me remember who was the 200 503 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,480 meter sprinter at the Rio Olympics? 504 00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:06,760 Woman who ran finished like 4th at the Oh, this is going to bug 505 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,520 me. Give me one second. 506 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,880 Where is Oh, she didn't make the final, but she would have Ellen 507 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,760 Nelson. OK, so the reason I'm bringing 508 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:18,640 up Ellen Nelson deep cut here is because she was one of the 509 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,640 people who was like pretty outspoken, I think on social 510 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:23,680 media this past weekend saying like everyone's saying now, 511 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,240 like, you know, Australian times don't count. 512 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,800 You got to do it outside of Australia. 513 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,640 And when you look at your sort of like she was one of like we 514 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:36,400 are starting to do that, like come the global championships, 515 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:38,400 Australia is starting to have more success. 516 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,680 Most, most of it can, you know, can come in the field events and 517 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,560 stuff. But on the track itself, for 518 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:51,280 her, her personal best in 2016 was set in Canberra in Australia 519 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,400 in February. And then she came back and 520 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:58,760 peeked at the Rio Olympics and ran 22, five in the semi final, 521 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:00,520 which would have got her into the final hat. 522 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:07,240 Ivette Lalova not been on drugs. And so she's like, it can 523 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,440 happen. And so for the people who are 524 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:13,640 now saying Gawkout has to back this up, you know, in August or 525 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,080 September at the World Ultimate Championships or something like 526 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,600 that, it could happen. So there's going to be plenty of 527 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,760 opportunities in the months ahead on the Diamond League 528 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,960 circuit, on the continental tour for him to back this up. 529 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,640 Is he going to win every single time out? 530 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,640 Probably not. But he's still so young. 531 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,240 And I think, like, you just got to remember that whole side of 532 00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:35,560 things. But this was a really good 533 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,720 performance that, you know, I think he's going to, yeah, I 534 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,240 guess, continue to hammer home that he's a name to remember. 535 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,880 It's an easy one to remember. And yeah, no, it's it's just 536 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,280 very exciting right now. I'm feeling good about my 537 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,160 preseason. Bold prediction that Gout Gout 538 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,960 would make the final of the World Ultimate Championships. 539 00:31:57,960 --> 00:31:59,120 Isn't it? Is it a straight final? 540 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:00,560 No, it's a semis and then a final. 541 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,920 Right. OK, yeah, you're muted there, 542 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,880 Preet, But yeah, I I saw you nod your head. 543 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,080 Cool. All right, Well, that does it on 544 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,240 on Gout Gout. You know what, I one thing we'll 545 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,760 do, I think right now is at this point in the episode, 30 minutes 546 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,320 in, we'll drop Mitch's take on the race, which he posted up on 547 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,600 Instagram so that people can hear his thoughts. 548 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,320 So here's Mitch Dyer on Gout Gout. 549 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:33,400 OK, so yeah, this, this was unbelievable. 550 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:37,000 I'm a little hazy on the world record part because I know 551 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,480 Knighton's run 19/4. I don't know whether that's been 552 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:44,200 wiped because of what happened, but either way, this was insane. 553 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:49,720 So often recently has this conversation come up around, you 554 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,480 know, gout and sprinting and Willy be fuss and all this 555 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:54,560 stuff. And I actually think it's 556 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:58,600 irrelevant because what he's done today is simply amazing. 557 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,920 Now obviously it was an incredible Murray plant and give 558 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,800 all the credits to lucky Kennedy because he ran down to the line, 559 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,520 but he went away and learned from that clearly and went all 560 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,080 right, here's some things I need to fix. 561 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,320 And that was definitely his bend work and by God wasn't good 562 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,240 today. I mean this 9867, what is it top 563 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:22,040 20 times all time all ages history we're talking here. 564 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,480 It could be the world record, but it just goes to show how 565 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,720 talented and amazing this guy is. 566 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,040 He deserves every little bit of love and praise and admiration 567 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,680 he's going to get. And so all those that maybe were 568 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,280 casting down, you look silly, honoured to be there to witness 569 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,600 this. But also, can we talk about this 570 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,920 guy just for a second? So Gus, 1967 is amazing. 571 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:48,400 Aiden Murphy, the career year. The breakout of Aiden Murphy 572 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,640 just got the exclamation point. He ran 1988. 573 00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,640 He's the second Australian ever in history to run sub 20 and 574 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:03,200 he's come second this guy from 400 meters to 100 meters. 575 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,640 So now what is his PET event? Clearly 200 meters has been 576 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:14,719 amazing this year, 1988. That is as legitimate of a 200 577 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:15,800 meter time as you were going to say. 578 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,239 I don't want this to be the quietest 1988 you've ever seen, 579 00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:24,600 because whilst the attention deserves to be on the 1967, this 580 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:33,120 guy deserves a hell of a lot of praise. 996 twice 19671988 men's 581 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,120 sprinting in this country. Unbelievable. 582 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,280 Moving on to the next performance from Australia that 583 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:47,320 really stood out to people, Cam Myers 329 solo. 584 00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:51,920 One of the most impressive 1500 meter performances I think ever 585 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:57,000 in history because there was no pacemaker and he's able to run 586 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:01,440 32985 just shy of the Australian national record held by Ollie 587 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,800 Hoare, who finished second in this race. 588 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,880 And if you kind of look at Camp Meyer's season so far, you're 589 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:15,160 just like he this dude's been on fire since January. 349 mile out 590 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:18,320 at the Dempsey in Seattle, then he wins the 3K. 591 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,400 What was it, 727 or 728? Seven. 27, yeah. 592 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,280 At the New Balance Indoor Grand Prix, wins the Wanamaker Mile at 593 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,840 the Miller Roast Games and then ran 330 before running even 594 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,320 faster this time out. Now what does it mean? 595 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,360 Right? I guess like fantastic 596 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:42,040 performance. I'm endlessly frustrated that he 597 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:45,000 didn't go to wild indoors. I'm still endlessly If you're in 598 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,920 this kind of shape, why not go and pick up a global medal? 599 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:52,280 It would have been gold. Exactly like he, he in this 600 00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,600 race, Adam Spencer, he was 5 seconds ahead of Adam Spencer, 601 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,200 who was the bronze medalist in that race. 602 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,720 And yes, it was a different kind of race and a different, like it 603 00:35:59,720 --> 00:36:01,240 was a tactical race and, and whatever. 604 00:36:01,240 --> 00:36:05,960 But but at the same time, like it's just he's, he's on a 605 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,320 different planet at the moment. And I I don't understand why you 606 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,040 wouldn't use that kind of shape to go and go and win a title. 607 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,280 But it. Was an Instagram comment I think 608 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,960 that I saw that it was like this just really goes to show you 609 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,960 just how weak the world indoor final was when when you've got 610 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,640 him just kind of blowing out the medalist out of the water. 611 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,360 I I don't think it's that necessarily right because it 612 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:31,120 was, it was a tactical race, but it does show that the level of 613 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,520 fitness that he is in like by winning the bounder mile by 614 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,720 running this 329, you know, solo from the front, like, and then 615 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:40,800 run it, you know, off. Oh, he didn't win the barrel 616 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,000 mile. He might, though. 617 00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:43,760 He might even. No, not the barrel. 618 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,680 Yeah, sorry. The Wanamaker mile. 619 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,760 Yeah. So, I mean, all I'm saying is 620 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,480 and and setting the world lead in the 3000 meters as well. 621 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:53,720 I mean, I mean, happy to see him in the 3000 meters and see what 622 00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:56,120 he could have done against Hocker and Kerr, because I think 623 00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:57,840 he would have given them a run for their money as well. 624 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:04,600 And you know, like, either way, right, I think it feels like an 625 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,760 opportunity missed because you don't like, even if you're 626 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:11,240 young, right, when you're in this kind of shape, right, the 627 00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:15,280 opportunity to go and claim a medal on the global stage, 628 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,120 right? They don't come around like to 629 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:22,840 be fully healthy, fit and at your very, very best at the time 630 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,520 when there's a championship on is rare. 631 00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,360 And and I I you know, and and as much as Namori plant meat is 632 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,240 important. He could have come and jog, jog 633 00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:37,240 round there in 334 instead of jogging instead of 330 and and 634 00:37:37,240 --> 00:37:40,160 gone to and gone to gone to wild indoors. 635 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,720 But listen, same age in his gout gout with James Templeton. 636 00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:47,080 And they're like we just said, just sort of they're very 637 00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,760 intentional about the slow approach to just sort of making 638 00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,040 sure that he is in his prime in a couple of years. 639 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,520 Yes, distance is a little different than than the sprints. 640 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,440 And Galkow didn't have a indoor 60 or indoor or he would have 641 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,920 had to have done the 60 at World Indoors, which wasn't on the 642 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,800 table. But yeah. 643 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,960 Well, I think the thing the difference for Cam Myers is that 644 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,160 you don't get the chance to run these tactical championship 645 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,640 distance races against high quality opposition all that 646 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:22,080 often, right? And so that's where like 647 00:38:22,720 --> 00:38:25,400 building that experience is the one thing that's going to get 648 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,600 him the chance to win medals going forward in his career. 649 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,440 I think like, and that's where even if he'd gone there and he'd 650 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,680 not won, like why miss out on the opportunity to do that? 651 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:38,880 We can see that he can win this kind of race where he's better 652 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:41,760 than the rest of the field or when he's in a pace made race 653 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,320 and he's clearly in the shape of his life and and therefore is 654 00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:50,000 able to to destroy the field. But yeah, it's those Champ 655 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,480 Tactical championship races where you got to practice making 656 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,960 those decisions because he was getting quite frustrated with 657 00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,360 with himself in some of those races last year. 658 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,080 That's exactly what where where he was last year. 659 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,840 And so I just think it was just a really big missed opportunity 660 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,240 to go and go and kind of mix it up in that kind of race. 661 00:39:09,720 --> 00:39:13,720 Well, in a way. Now that we'll shortly get to 662 00:39:13,720 --> 00:39:17,920 our anger Brits and update on how he's doing. 663 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,840 But spoiler alert, he's out for the first couple Diamond 664 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,160 Leagues. We're going to be in search of 665 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,360 just sort of who's going to be the guy who's going to push 666 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,680 these 15 hundreds to be really fast. 667 00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,840 I guess, like, it still happened last year and that's what you 668 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:37,200 hire a pacemaker for. But Cam might end up getting 669 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,920 some of that tactical practice in on the Diamond League 670 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:44,440 circuit. I'm I'm not convinced. 671 00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,480 I think you know it's it's still you're. 672 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:51,240 Saying 334 races are back free. It's just we haven't seen it at 673 00:39:51,240 --> 00:39:52,800 the at the Diamond League just yet. 674 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,280 Yeah, but remember, we've got Josh Kerr going for the Mall 675 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,680 world record, which means that the Baba Mall, they're going to 676 00:39:58,680 --> 00:39:59,960 want to go for the mall world record. 677 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,920 Hold that for a SEC. Me and Kyle were at a speaking 678 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:07,120 event last week out in Taconic, just, you know, outside of the 679 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:11,040 city, and I think someone had asked something about Josh Kerr 680 00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:14,840 and the Mile. World record attempt. 681 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,360 And I think I very quickly, this is before this performance, not 682 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,600 necessarily rocket science or bold take or going out on a 683 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,760 limb, but I did just sort of mention just sort of like, yeah, 684 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,120 well, don't look out like Cam Meyer could spoil the party. 685 00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,520 And I'm starting to have a bit more confidence in something 686 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,120 like that too. I think this trans, this 687 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,920 performance today, this past weekend, translates to the fact 688 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:38,200 that he might be in 327 shape if you put him in Monaco with a 689 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,600 great pacer. Yeah, absolutely. 690 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,240 I I think everyone's in agreement. 691 00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:46,080 Well, Monaco doesn't do 15 hundreds of miles anymore to be 692 00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,160 fast so. You have to bring it back. 693 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,040 But yeah, no, I'm sure we'll we'll see. 694 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,680 We'll see some fast races in London in Pre and and and 695 00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,960 elsewhere. Celestia is normally a quick 696 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:00,800 one. So yeah. 697 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,280 But you were making a point before about just sort of like 698 00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,440 Cam's tactical practice maybe not coming at the Diamond League 699 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:07,600 because you're just not convinced. 700 00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,040 We haven't seen anything like that yet. 701 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,760 No, I just, I just don't think I think the like every Diamond 702 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,840 League meet, all organizer wants their meet to be fast. 703 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,920 And if there's London and pre going for world records, then 704 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,280 there's people going to be wanting, you know, Habs or 705 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:26,320 someone else like go going for a 327 again or 326 or whatever it 706 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:30,000 is that they want to aim for. And I just think that is going 707 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,760 to that's going to continue, right? 708 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,640 There'll be Yarid, there'll be there'll be people like that 709 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,000 who'll be going to these diamond leagues and they'll they'll want 710 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,560 to make it fast. And I think now Isaac Nader as a 711 00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,640 world champion, people like in Europe are going to say like 712 00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,040 he'll want to prove that he's he can actually run really fast. 713 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,280 Like I, I don't think I don't think that that is going to 714 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,120 change. And especially in a year which 715 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,240 we call quote UN quote an off year. 716 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:58,400 I think you can see like people are saying, like Josh Kerr being 717 00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,600 out there saying, I want to make break well records. 718 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:04,200 I think this is the kind of year where people will will try and, 719 00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,040 and maybe focus on that sort of thing. 720 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,400 So we're. Going to need to find a copy of 721 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:15,640 Cam Myers is Nike contract and see if he can pull a Louis 722 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:20,680 Hinchcliffe and return to he was he's committed, I believe to go 723 00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:24,440 to the University of Oregon. He needs to go back to Oregon 724 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,920 and then he'll be able to get his handful of tactical race 725 00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,320 practices. I think that's a solve to all 726 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:35,520 this. Not really because if you see 727 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:40,880 what he just did in, in, in, in Australia, I don't think it 728 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,720 would there would be any level of competition there. 729 00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:45,520 So he just like. You got Gary Martin losing in 730 00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:49,520 like 4 O four O 4 mile races. It's like not every race is 731 00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,120 going to end up being. So I think like Cam, Cam needs 732 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,960 to learn from from the NC double AI think he's he's said it just 733 00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,720 sort of in the past and just sort of like the reason for 734 00:42:57,720 --> 00:43:01,360 coming to the US last year in particular was to get, I think a 735 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,240 little bit of that exposure sometimes. 736 00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:05,440 But then he just ends up being in all these fast races with 737 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,320 pros. College kids don't go out and 738 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,760 blast it every single time out. So Cam needs to enroll back in 739 00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,680 school. That's a solve to all of this. 740 00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,080 Yeah, Well, I'm not sure about that, but I know you love the 741 00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,120 NCAA, Chris, but we have our differences on that point. 742 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,720 But like he he's he's clearly in the shape of his life. 743 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:31,440 He came back obviously at this meet and ran 1311 to win the 5K. 744 00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,360 That was impressive too, and another impressive double. 745 00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,320 And you know, any, any and he beat Ollie Hall and and like 746 00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,280 everyone else, couldn't, couldn't even stay close to him. 747 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,120 Ollie, Ollie stay close to him till the last sort of lap. 748 00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:47,120 And then Cam just took off And the ease with which he just 749 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,760 created the two 3 second gap was just was just incredible. 750 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,960 So yeah, he's he's clearly on on on another level. 751 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,520 And and then the same in that 5K when you double back, it was 752 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,800 just just so impressive the way there was just it was just never 753 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:03,160 in doubt. You know, he was sitting there 754 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,720 in fourth place for, you know, until the last three laps and 755 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:08,320 then he took off and that was it. 756 00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:10,680 It was over. You know, it was just it, it 757 00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,520 just felt way too easy for him and in and you know, that with 758 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:18,040 those times and with the way he did, he won those races. 759 00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,560 Like, yeah, I mean, we really do look forward to seeing what you 760 00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,560 can do this summer. And, and obviously him versus 761 00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:26,800 Josh Carr at the Commonwealth Games is going to be very, very 762 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,760 tasty indeed. Australia is going to have a 763 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:33,680 really good team at COM games. Yeah, it's going to be very, 764 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:35,800 very interesting to see. Well, it's going to be really 765 00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,080 interesting to see who they send. 766 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,400 Right. Because the Brits, the Brits, 767 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,640 ironically, we've got too many people in Scotland. 768 00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:46,320 The 1500, all our best runners are Scottish, but, but we've got 769 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,600 some good Brits as well. So as good English, English, 770 00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,960 English, but as well. But yeah, we'll, we'll have a, 771 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,000 we'll be sort of the Brits be a bit more well represented 772 00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,160 because because of the, the Commonwealth rules. 773 00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,680 So. If you're sitting there 774 00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:02,000 wondering just sort of you know, because this came up, I think 775 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,920 also in the lap count because they're writing it I think right 776 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:06,440 now and it was in the group chat. 777 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,600 It's like who's like what's the fastest wire to wire non paced 778 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,000 race? And it's Timothy Cheriot 2019 779 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:19,400 World Championships in Doha. I'm pretty sure because if Paris 780 00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,920 isn't out because Jacob was the pacer in that one, there are 781 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:25,840 very few instances where someone runs this fast without a 782 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:29,080 pacemaker and you've got tons of diamond legs, but all of them 783 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,480 with a rabbit. So this is up there. 784 00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,720 I think this is honestly, I mean, you can make the argument 785 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,960 it's more impressive. I think if you look at the 786 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,080 splits, I didn't I'd have to pull them back up. 787 00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:46,520 I believe Cam's final hundred at least maybe the final 200 was 788 00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:50,080 faster than what Timmy C closed in in Doha 2019. 789 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:58,400 Even I think faster than when Jakob, I think ran 328 possibly. 790 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,600 It's like if you have if you do a side by side comparison, I 791 00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:05,160 think this performance this past weekend very, very impressive. 792 00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:09,240 So Kim Myers on a heater and I hope it continues. 793 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:11,640 All right. You brought up sort of selection 794 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:14,880 for the Commonwealth Games and that brings us to another sort 795 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,000 of like controversial race this past weekend. 796 00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:24,680 You had the 1500 on the women's side at the Australian 797 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:31,800 Championships, where Jess Hall was denied a fourth national 798 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:38,120 title in the 1500 after she fell in the home stretch. 799 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:44,560 And as a result, I guess, like, she was leading in the final 800 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:49,520 straight stages of the race when Claudia Hollingsworth made 801 00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,560 contact with her. And that's when Hall went down. 802 00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,360 Hall fell pretty hard face first on the track. 803 00:46:58,240 --> 00:47:01,760 And then Hollingsworth leaps over her, crosses the finish 804 00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:03,680 line first. Then eventually, I think when 805 00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:05,560 the two of them do cross the finish line, she goes and 806 00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,120 apologizes to Jess. But. 807 00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,960 And I think Jess was like, oh, no, no, that's like, you know, 808 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,120 totally OK. I'm glad that she apologized. 809 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:18,400 But her team files a protest and Hollingsworth was disqualified. 810 00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:26,800 And then after an appeal, she was reinstated the following day 811 00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:32,560 after a closed door meeting with officials and representatives. 812 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:36,520 For, you know, all the athletes affected here And what what that 813 00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:42,800 did as a result is it reinstated Hollingsworth into the results 814 00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,840 and she gets the automatic selection for the Commonwealth 815 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,560 Games. And I think what it like what 816 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,280 what is Australia's selection policy? 817 00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,120 Winner is automatically selected and then the next person is, you 818 00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,840 know, up to their discretion. Yeah, so I think you can have up 819 00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:04,000 to three, but it's a bit of a weird system because each 820 00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,880 country is allocated a maximum number of athletes they can send 821 00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,280 this year because of the cap on the total number of athletes, 822 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,800 because this is a smaller Commonwealth Games. 823 00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,880 So I think there's a maximum of 3000 athletes across all the 824 00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,160 sports. So I think there is kind of a 825 00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,880 lot more restrictions and each federation has been given a much 826 00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,840 more limited number of athletes they can send. 827 00:48:25,720 --> 00:48:28,960 So I don't know what like Australia's kind of limitations 828 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,680 are, but I imagine in in in events where they're competitive 829 00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:36,240 and could sweep the podium, they will send 3 athletes and 1500 830 00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:39,040 meters. 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I wish we had these officials in 885 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,320 Tokyo last summer would have been really nice for for Cole, 886 00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,720 but he never got the the chance to be reinstated. 887 00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:51,040 But I think if you watch the replay, it very much was worthy 888 00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:59,920 of a DQ 'cause if you look at it, I guess we which we had Mack 889 00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:03,160 and Kyle discussing this in our group chat. 890 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,840 Max read on. The whole thing was that Hull 891 00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:12,720 drifted in, which you're someone allowed to do when you're the 892 00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:16,040 leader of the race. And then Hollingsworth felt that 893 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:20,400 move, but Hull shut the door on her. 894 00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:22,880 And. Yeah. 895 00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:29,440 And then I think the hardest part is you feel for is it Abby 896 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,920 Caldwell? And it was Sarah Billings. 897 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:33,480 Yeah. And Sarah Billings, I think, 898 00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:34,840 like. But Caldwell is the one who ends 899 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:38,560 up out of the selection. I think well, cold, well cold 900 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:41,760 was going the 800 though, because she won the but but but 901 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,200 and the 800 is more of an anyway. 902 00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,920 But but Sarah Billings obviously came third. 903 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:52,080 She was temporarily, she was briefly the champion, but but 904 00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,040 now he's ended up in second place in that race, so. 905 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:57,600 So she's not 100% assured a spot, right? 906 00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,360 No, and I, and I imagine that's going to be complicated because 907 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,240 I don't know what the story is going to be with Lyndon Hall as 908 00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:06,720 well, who only ran the 5000 and didn't double at this meet. 909 00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:10,480 And she's obviously one of the fastest Australians over 1500 910 00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,960 meters as well. So there's there's a lot of 911 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,360 competition for those spots. And I don't really know how the 912 00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,720 selection policy is going to shake all that out because 913 00:53:17,720 --> 00:53:20,680 obviously they're going to send Jess Hall in 1500. 914 00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,880 I don't think there's any doubt about that or the. 915 00:53:23,240 --> 00:53:26,040 And maybe even the 5K, right? Because, like, she came back and 916 00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,280 won that race. Exactly, yes. 917 00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,960 So I, I, I do, I, I do wonder exactly how all that selection 918 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:40,080 stuff is going to shake out. But yeah, I saw this as it's, 919 00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,600 it's a really tough situation, right? 920 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:46,720 Because it was clearly not an intentional no kind of contact, 921 00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,440 but there was contact and because there was no one else 922 00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,120 near her, you're kind of in a place where she wasn't forced 923 00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:56,000 into the contact, right. So there were other cases where, 924 00:53:57,120 --> 00:54:01,720 you know, we've seen, I think it was at wild indoors where in was 925 00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:04,840 it the women's 3K or whatever that that we had when highly 926 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,880 fell. But it was, you know, when it 927 00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,640 was Marta Garcia who who knocked into someone else, who knocked 928 00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:14,640 into highly, right? And it was only Marta Garcia who 929 00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:16,920 was disqualified because she was the one who made the first 930 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,600 contact and not like the person who actually pushed over highly. 931 00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:27,720 So there's there's a bit of bit of stuff there that is a bit 932 00:54:27,720 --> 00:54:30,000 messy, right? And in fact, that was Jess Hall, 933 00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:34,200 wasn't it? I think ironically, as we talk 934 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:39,200 about it, as I remember now. So, you know, it's, I do think 935 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,400 it's tricky, right? Because yeah, you say in that 936 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,760 situation it wasn't really her fault. 937 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,120 She kind of and we couldn't really see. 938 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,040 That was the other problem with the camera angles. 939 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,640 We couldn't clearly see the contact and exactly how it 940 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:56,760 happened. I think the only actual contact 941 00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,840 was the clipping of heels somewhere. 942 00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,280 And you know, she did put her hand out, but I don't think she 943 00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,360 actually ended up putting her hand on Jess's back. 944 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,360 But I can't really tell 100%. But yeah, when they, when they 945 00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:13,440 clipped and Jess went down and then Claudia, you know, and it's 946 00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,440 kind of, it's difficult, right? Because if you're trying to 947 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,840 accelerate where you think there's a gap and there isn't 948 00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,880 quite enough of a gap because Jess came in from the front, 949 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:23,760 you're going to run into the back of them a little bit or 950 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:24,800 you're at least going to clip them. 951 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,080 And there is kind of A, it's tricky, right? 952 00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:32,120 And I, I can understand like why it might be DQ. 953 00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:36,200 I think also you're right here, I think they maybe also came to 954 00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:40,120 the sort of conclusion that A, to fix the selection B, that 955 00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,280 Claudia was clearly either going to come first or second of that 956 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,760 race and probably going to win. Like she looked like she had 957 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,360 moves because she slowed down and then kind of accelerated 958 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:53,560 again, you know, Cole Hawker style, Cole Hawker Olympic 959 00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,320 style, you know, when there wasn't a gap and and she kind of 960 00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:02,360 then slowed down, accelerated again to take the win on the on 961 00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,480 the actual race itself. But yeah, it's it's very, very 962 00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,280 difficult in that sort of situation. 963 00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,040 And I can understand that national championships that 964 00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,760 where it is a selection race and they they have said they're 965 00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,400 going to evaluate the races status as selection race. 966 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,080 But clearly they completed that evaluation because they 967 00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:21,640 announced Claudia Hollingsworth to the team. 968 00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,480 So they have kept it as a selection race. 969 00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:30,320 But yeah, it was, yeah, it's a tricky situation and I suspect 970 00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:33,520 this is the best outcome they could possibly have hoped for. 971 00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:36,360 But it yeah, it's obviously not satisfying. 972 00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,360 We didn't get to see the match up we wanted to see. 973 00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:41,080 Like that's the most disappointing thing about the 974 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,560 whole thing, right, is that we didn't get to see what would 975 00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,200 have happened in that last 50 meters of the race, right? 976 00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:49,760 That is what we wanted to see. Could Claudia Hollingsworth out 977 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,920 kick Jess Hall? If so, that would have been 978 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:56,600 really impressive to see. Or was Jess Hall still supreme 979 00:56:57,320 --> 00:56:59,200 on the On the Australian 15 remedy scene? 980 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:05,960 If you go to one that's 2/3 of the Olympic podium that she has 981 00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:10,160 beaten in a 1500 because she beat Georgia Hunter Bell a 982 00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,640 couple weeks back. She's the truth, man. 983 00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,200 She's very, very talented and is finally coming into her own. 984 00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,360 So yeah, I'm excited to see her on the Diamond League circuit, I 985 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,000 guess once that starts to kick off. 986 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,200 But yeah, this was this one. Caused a little bit of buzz, but 987 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:32,040 definitely drowned out by gout gout hype all throughout the 988 00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,720 weekend. So I think that's those are the 989 00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,680 big, big results from and stories from the Australian 990 00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,000 championships. All right, Next up, I want to 991 00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:44,240 talk about the Paris marathon. I didn't throw this one into 992 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:49,320 just sort of like our pre podcast agenda, but I did find 993 00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,960 it interesting just kind of reviewing some of the results. 994 00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:56,240 You had Italy's Imani Crippa and Ethiopia's Shura demise winning 995 00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:57,760 the titles pretty fast times too. 996 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:02,280 I think it was what, 2O5 for Crippa and 2:18 for Demise. 997 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,040 But one tweet that I just saw, I don't know. 998 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:12,760 Did you see this one where Demise's closing 2.195 999 00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,640 kilometer? So that little final stretch 1000 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:22,200 after 40K was clocked in at 632, which is the fastest ever by a 1001 00:58:22,200 --> 00:58:25,040 woman. That's faster than when Tega 1002 00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:30,200 Sasafa closed her Berlin Marathon 211 in 640. 1003 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,600 So 8 seconds faster than that. And then the same thing on the 1004 00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:36,840 men's side was Crippa closed in six O 1 for that same exact 1005 00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:42,600 stretch, just faster than I think Joffrey Mutai had the 1006 00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:47,040 previous record six O 5 from Eindhoven in in 2009. 1007 00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:52,800 And also Kipchogi had six O 5 in the Vienna 159 challenge. 1008 00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:58,760 So wild close. We don't have a wind reading for 1009 00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:04,400 what that final stretch was. But I guess like this is just 1010 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:09,280 ripe for the Internet sleuths to get out there and just try and, 1011 00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,600 you know, pull up Google Maps photos of just sort of where 1012 00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:22,160 exactly you know that 2.195 to go mark would be and whether the 1013 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,320 cone or whatever it is was placed in the wrong spot for the 1014 00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:30,360 40K mark because. So I think they said, I think I, 1015 00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,640 I saw the conclusion of all that Internet debate and it appears 1016 00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,040 that there was just a bit of a downhill on that last TK. 1017 00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:37,160 That's all that's. Really. 1018 00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,440 That's because they redid the course, right? 1019 00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:41,640 Yeah, I think so. So I think it's just that that's 1020 00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,160 the that's the rationale because this is not, this is obviously 1021 00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,880 not the Olympic course. This is a a different course for 1022 00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:51,720 the Paris Marathon, and yeah, the the that last 2K has a bit 1023 00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,360 of a downhill, but nonetheless. Hell of a downhill. 1024 00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,040 Yeah, the the closes were very impressive and your money, 1025 00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:02,560 Crippa I think is someone like he is the second fastest 1026 01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:07,880 European half marathoner behind Andres Almgren and he's kind of 1027 01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:11,400 been like he's had a few marathons and he's been 1028 01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:14,520 struggling to get it right. He's really been struggling to 1029 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:18,200 get it right and he's clearly got the talent and it's just 1030 01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:20,720 getting it right on the day and he's finally kind of nailed it. 1031 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,200 And and I think he was just so happy, like he acknowledged the 1032 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,240 fact that he'd been struggling so much with just just getting 1033 01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:29,800 it right over the full distance. And it's kind of good to see him 1034 01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,680 actually do that because that's quite exciting again for for 1035 01:00:32,680 --> 01:00:34,720 European marathoning, even though that still isn't a 1036 01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:37,640 European, sorry, an Italian record that he ran in the 1037 01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:39,360 marathon there. Unfortunately for him, because 1038 01:00:39,360 --> 01:00:43,680 there's, there's some foster Italians out there, but yeah, so 1039 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:45,600 that, that was pretty good. And, and obviously, sure to me 1040 01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,480 say I think we saw her one win the Oh no, she was the one who 1041 01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,480 had the mess in the Toronto waterfront. 1042 01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,480 Marathon. Yes, that's what I've called her 1043 01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,520 race. Yes, indeed so. 1044 01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:57,880 What a comeback. I mean, I think she had a pretty 1045 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:03,320 big layoff from marathoning and is now in crazy great form right 1046 01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:06,520 now. But anyway, I guess like. 1047 01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,440 I'm sorry, one last one last thing from the Paris Marathon, 1048 01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,320 my favorite finished marathoner, Alyssa Venue came. 1049 01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,560 I think yes, I knew you were going to have to shout this out 1050 01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,000 because I saw the result popped up. 1051 01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:20,400 Yeah, so that was another 221 clocking for her. 1052 01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:24,040 So again, like her 5th or 6th marathon in the space of about 8 1053 01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,560 months and yeah, another smashing it out, the part 1054 01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,040 performance for her very, very consistent so. 1055 01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:32,280 Yeah. What's your goal? 1056 01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,000 Why is she doing all this? I'd love to know, I'd love to 1057 01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:39,080 see like, I mean, I really hope she, she turns up to some 1058 01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:42,320 marathon majors now and, and starts kind of getting up the 1059 01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,680 field there because she could, she could be in the, you know, 1060 01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:47,360 top top 6A marathon major now like that. 1061 01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:51,160 That would be something that she, like she's running 2/22/21 1062 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,040 consistently. Then surely that's that's got to 1063 01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:59,120 be her her next goal. But then I guess I'll go back to 1064 01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,200 my main point. It wouldn't shock me if I find 1065 01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:04,680 out that the cone for the 40K was put in the wrong spot. 1066 01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:09,440 But it's that it's one of those tiny things that like only the 1067 01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,640 freaking nerds like pick up on where like think back to Kelvin 1068 01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:15,640 Kiptom. Was that mile 21 or 22? 1069 01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:20,440 Or it was like some insane split and then it was let's render did 1070 01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:24,960 the investigation afterwards and found that the mile marker was 1071 01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:30,720 in the wrong spot. So, you know, it's what only the 1072 01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:33,880 the freaks really care about that everyone else has just kind 1073 01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,880 of moved on. It's cool to get the truth, but 1074 01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,480 the legend of this crazy fast split is already out there and 1075 01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,440 it's on to the next thing. No one really picks up on the 1076 01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:48,480 investigation over the weird 40K split. 1077 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:54,920 But one more thing from Paris, which I don't know because you 1078 01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,520 don't race all that often. If you have any hard feelings 1079 01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,520 about this but did you see that they ditched like the cups in in 1080 01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:05,440 the race this pop up on your feed? 1081 01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:09,440 I've seen, I've seen this the the that they're trying to do 1082 01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:11,680 like obviously all this eco friendly stuff and. 1083 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,520 Like you have to feel that they're in bottom of stuff, 1084 01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,880 right? They tested this out, I think at 1085 01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:18,480 half marathons and stuff. But this is the first I think 1086 01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:24,000 mass participation marathon that banned single use water cups and 1087 01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,560 bottles, I think is how people phrase it for just like the 1088 01:03:26,560 --> 01:03:29,520 little plastic things or paper cups that are out there. 1089 01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:34,600 So they required every runner in the race to carry their own 1090 01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:37,080 hydration container. So you could be like one of 1091 01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:39,760 those little, I don't know, they'd look like little bags 1092 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:44,560 sometimes or collapsible plastic cups or whatever is so that you 1093 01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:49,360 refill your own cup at the stations along the course if you 1094 01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,720 were fast. That means, I think sub 250 is 1095 01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,920 the standard that they had. There were still just sort of 1096 01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,400 tables along the course for that crowd of runners, but the whole 1097 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:05,240 goal was to eliminate the waste of, you know, over 600,000 1098 01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:08,200 plastic bottles and tons and tons of cups. 1099 01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:16,880 So very big eco friendly push. But I've seen a mixed reception 1100 01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:23,760 to this whole entire thing where you have people who, if you look 1101 01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:29,640 at Kafuzi like the running YouTube, he put a video up on 1102 01:04:29,640 --> 01:04:34,320 his Instagram where he showed, I guess what it was like the 1103 01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:37,560 comment section filled with positivity of people, you know, 1104 01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:41,280 celebrating this change and, you know, seeing how it went. 1105 01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,320 But then there are also people I think I've seen online who were 1106 01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:49,960 just like, they had to abandon their PR attempt or they had 1107 01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:53,160 their own sort of concerns about stopping to refill things. 1108 01:04:54,840 --> 01:05:00,800 There's also just sort of that's 250 marker of like table tables 1109 01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,480 or bottles or cups, whatever it is for people who are faster 1110 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:07,200 than 250. That's mostly for men I would 1111 01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,040 think, right? You're going to have fewer women 1112 01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,760 running that time. So there's that component. 1113 01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:18,120 And then also there's a big risk and if you don't want to partake 1114 01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:22,000 in this change, you're just going to blow up and be 1115 01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,320 dehydrated. And it's a health and safety 1116 01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:29,560 risk afterwards. So I don't necessarily know 1117 01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:32,160 where I land on it. It's the type of thing where I'd 1118 01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:37,840 have to experience myself to see whether or not it it like I'm 1119 01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:40,840 for it or I'm not necessarily totally against it. 1120 01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:43,920 But I could see just sort of where in the video Cafuzzi, it 1121 01:05:43,920 --> 01:05:47,640 took him 7 seconds to fill whatever the container was that 1122 01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,200 he had. Now, if you do that multiple 1123 01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:55,320 Times Now you've added 30 seconds of hydration time. 1124 01:05:55,880 --> 01:05:58,720 You're starting and stopping. Starting and stopping is pretty 1125 01:05:59,120 --> 01:06:02,560 hard, I would say, for during a marathon. 1126 01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:08,280 Speaking from experience. I yeah, I guess like I could see 1127 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:14,640 both sides to to this argument. And I just don't like, I guess 1128 01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:17,520 the the Paris Marathon is a good testing ground for this thing 1129 01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:21,920 for a bigger race scale. Don't think it would work at a 1130 01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:26,840 major marathon, too many people and not enough people will 1131 01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:30,080 remember to bring their own cup and stuff. 1132 01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:32,880 So you're going to have that big risk. 1133 01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:35,320 But I thought it was interesting, very interesting 1134 01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,840 story. If anyone ran the Paris Marathon 1135 01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,120 and you're listening to this and want to hear from that 1136 01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:43,600 experience to sound off in the Spotify comments or write in to 1137 01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:48,120 us, Yeah, really, really interesting thing I can't 1138 01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:50,960 believe you didn't see any of. These I saw, I saw, I saw it 1139 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:53,000 last year. So I think because this was 1140 01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:55,400 being trialled last year, so I did see some stuff. 1141 01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,080 Maybe it was the half marathon. So I was being trialled. 1142 01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:00,080 So I did see quite a bit of discourse about it like last 1143 01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,960 year at some point. And and yeah, I think this is, 1144 01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,320 you're absolutely right. It's it's tricky because you 1145 01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:07,800 have to start and stop. It breaks up your rhythm. 1146 01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,880 What if that water station is crowded, right? 1147 01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:11,520 Do you just? Move on. 1148 01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:13,880 Yeah, you got to wait online. Or you have to wait, which is 1149 01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,320 then even you know. And what about people who are 1150 01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,080 trying to break 3 for example? Like that, you know, like. 1151 01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:21,720 Preach pre that's that's that would have been me. 1152 01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,120 Like I've I was doing the math or sort of like, all right, I 1153 01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:29,360 ran 25912. If I would have stopped for at 1154 01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:36,080 least 7 seconds, like to fill my bottle or cup or container, 1155 01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:40,320 whatever you're recalling this thing, I would have not done it 1156 01:07:40,600 --> 01:07:42,880 probably with the number of stops I would have had to have 1157 01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:47,120 made. So yeah, if you're, if you're 1158 01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:50,920 going for a goal time, this is it's an interruption for sure. 1159 01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,360 Yeah, no. And, and you can, you can 1160 01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:57,160 understand like these kinds of events, they generate huge 1161 01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:01,720 amounts of waste, right? And especially with a mess 1162 01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:06,040 because people are throwing cups and bottles and gel packets and 1163 01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:07,640 whatever all over the streets, right? 1164 01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:10,960 That's just what what runners will do because they have to. 1165 01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:17,279 So you can understand the desire to try and improve the sort of 1166 01:08:17,359 --> 01:08:19,040 eco friendliness of these events. 1167 01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:23,760 But yeah, this it is very tricky because, yeah, the, the, the 1168 01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:27,680 flip side of that is that it is people are, are trying to do, 1169 01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,000 you know, that sub elite level of sporting performance and 1170 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:33,359 people are working so hard for a marathon. 1171 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:37,279 And if it kind of the whole thing gets a bit ruined by by 1172 01:08:37,279 --> 01:08:40,359 this, if you're trying to trying to train so hard and and that 1173 01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:43,760 then, then that that's that, that wouldn't be that wouldn't 1174 01:08:43,760 --> 01:08:49,040 be great. Yeah, all right, one more 1175 01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,520 marathon note before we get into Boston. 1176 01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,439 Actually, wait. I totally skipped over the Yaka 1177 01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:55,840 Binga Brits in Health update that people have been waiting on 1178 01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:59,439 pins and needles for. We need a theme song for this 1179 01:08:59,479 --> 01:09:02,359 segment that we always do every single week. 1180 01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:04,520 Maybe it should just be Yakov's song. 1181 01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:10,040 Play it every single time before we get into this, but our 1182 01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:14,960 beloved Yakov Binga. Britain has been ruled out for 1183 01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:19,319 the early Diamond League meets and he will not be competing in 1184 01:09:19,319 --> 01:09:24,080 any of them before July, his agent Daniel Westfeldt told the 1185 01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:26,560 Norwegian newspaper VG. All of this. 1186 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,040 So that means he's missing the Bislect Games, which would have 1187 01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:33,560 been a nice paycheck for him in front of a home crowd in Oslo on 1188 01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:36,160 June 10th. He missed that one last year. 1189 01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:42,399 What it leaves on the table potentially is if the recovery 1190 01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:47,439 goes well, as we're all hoping for, he's back to running. 1191 01:09:47,439 --> 01:09:52,319 I mean you look at his Instagram and he's doing some sort of VO2 1192 01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:56,000 test today on on the treadmill or yesterday whenever the photos 1193 01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,440 and videos were taken. And so he's he is back to 1194 01:09:59,720 --> 01:10:04,280 training hard. It's just not race ready yet. 1195 01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:11,200 So if all goes well and he clears July as his return, July 1196 01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:14,200 4th is the pre classic. July 18th is the London Diamond 1197 01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:16,960 League in case he wants to go and spoil Josh's party. 1198 01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:20,680 You got the European Championships in Birmingham, 1199 01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:25,080 Birmingham in August, Selesi Diamond League also in August, 1200 01:10:25,400 --> 01:10:28,720 Diamond League final in Brussels in September and then World 1201 01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:32,640 Ultimate Championships. So there is still, you know, 1202 01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,880 potential for him to have a somewhat full season. 1203 01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:43,640 But I want to just remain optimistic that he can get that 1204 01:10:43,640 --> 01:10:47,320 speed back. The aerobic side of it is there. 1205 01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,920 You look at what he did, what what did he run in Paris last 1206 01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:54,720 year? 13O2 in that final in Tokyo. 1207 01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:56,720 Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he ran 13. 1208 01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:58,840 Something like that. So it's like it's there. 1209 01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:02,280 And that was like an undercooked Yakub, so. 1210 01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,160 And I think on a European level, yeah, it would be really 1211 01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:06,880 interesting to see what you can do so. 1212 01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:12,760 So yeah, I guess everyone thoughts and prayers in the chat 1213 01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:17,160 for Yakub and his return. And he also qualifies by wild 1214 01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:21,120 card as the defending European champion for 1500 and 5K. 1215 01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:23,920 So there's no worries about qualification. 1216 01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:26,400 And I think to be fair, his Tokyo performances would also 1217 01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,760 count. So that would probably be enough 1218 01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:32,440 if if he opens his season at the But he's the defending champion 1219 01:11:32,440 --> 01:11:34,200 in both so doesn't really matter. 1220 01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,600 Do we have to worry about his ranking for no. 1221 01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:39,240 No, that's what I. Mean World Ultimate 1222 01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:41,240 Championships. World ultimate? 1223 01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:43,200 No, he will. He's the Olympic champion in the 1224 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:48,720 5000, so he gets in there the 1500, No, but I imagine if Jacob 1225 01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:52,280 is fit, he's their wild card that that World Athletics are 1226 01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:56,560 inviting because you. Know oh the the Sebco friends 1227 01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,960 and family pass. There's the special wild card, 1228 01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:00,560 surely. Yeah, surely. 1229 01:12:00,560 --> 01:12:03,080 That's, that's that's yeah, that's the first, the special 1230 01:12:03,080 --> 01:12:06,040 wild card if he needs it for the 1500. 1231 01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:09,240 How much of A bummer is this news? 1232 01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:13,160 I guess it was sort of expected when if you judge by the 1233 01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:19,360 timeline of getting the surgery in the winter time and he's only 1234 01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,400 just now getting back into running and training. 1235 01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:26,360 So yeah, it wasn't a total shocker when we posted it. 1236 01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:27,760 I was like, it's just a slow Newsday. 1237 01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:34,280 This will get people talking. And yeah, so I'm going to remain 1238 01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:37,600 optimistic and just start in my head thinking that he'll be at 1239 01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:41,760 the pre classic. Yeah, but he won't. 1240 01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:45,320 But then again, like how much of a factor will he be in that fast 1241 01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:46,840 mile camera? I don't think he's going to, I 1242 01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,480 don't think he's going to be in the pre classic. 1243 01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:50,920 I don't think there's any way he turns up to the pre classic. 1244 01:12:51,000 --> 01:12:54,760 Like he's not. I don't think this is like 2024 1245 01:12:55,520 --> 01:12:59,640 where he'll be coming in kind of as a season opener at at the 1246 01:12:59,640 --> 01:13:02,240 Bammer Mile. And I just don't think it's the 1247 01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:03,840 same. I don't think it's the same 1248 01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:08,680 recovery position. So I think he will, he will keep 1249 01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,240 his power to drive for Europeans. 1250 01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:12,520 I suspect if if he's going to come back for anything, it will 1251 01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,680 be for Europeans. He's got titles to defend. 1252 01:13:15,920 --> 01:13:17,280 I think that's the earliest we'll see him. 1253 01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,160 But. So not even London Diamond 1254 01:13:20,160 --> 01:13:23,680 League. Oh no, I don't think he's 1255 01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,720 getting an invite to London Diamond League, let's be honest. 1256 01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:29,200 But I mean, yes, he was scheduled to to face off against 1257 01:13:29,200 --> 01:13:31,200 Kerr last year at the London Diamond League. 1258 01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,120 But yeah, you could have just been like, you know what table 1259 01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,560 that one for for next year. I'll be back hold hold my 1260 01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:41,280 appearance fee for next year. Wouldn't we love that And in 1261 01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:45,120 terms of other injuries that we, we, we, we needed to mention to 1262 01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:48,280 BOGO obviously who we thought might be injured last. 1263 01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:50,200 Week, he's fine. He's absolutely fine. 1264 01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:53,960 Yes, he ran 44 seven the following week at meet in 1265 01:13:53,960 --> 01:13:58,840 Botswana And and obviously we've now got a sequence of meats in 1266 01:13:58,840 --> 01:14:01,880 Africa which have got a bunch of stars turning up. 1267 01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:05,280 We've got the Kip Kano Classic. I think this weekend is the 1268 01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:06,960 first. And then you can is it? 1269 01:14:06,960 --> 01:14:09,000 It's the 24th. I think there's, yeah, there's 1270 01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:12,560 three, there's, there's one in, there's one in South Africa, one 1271 01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,080 in Kenya and one in Botswana. And I can't remember what order 1272 01:14:15,080 --> 01:14:18,280 they're in, but obviously Gabby Thomas is doing all three of 1273 01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:21,200 them and. Jefferson is gone, I think. 1274 01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:23,760 Yeah. I yeah, I don't know about that, 1275 01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,280 but but there's definitely and obviously we've got, I think 1276 01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:34,120 we've got Jonah Kowach versus Timothy Cheriot versus what's it 1277 01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:38,520 Emmanuel Wagyoni, Manuel Wagyoni in the 1500s at the Kipkanic. 1278 01:14:38,520 --> 01:14:41,040 Stepping back up, he's like, I did one in Kingston. 1279 01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:44,160 It went really well. I'm going to do it again this 1280 01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:46,320 time around. Like what was the winning time 1281 01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:49,320 of that 334? Yeah, maybe even slower than 1282 01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:50,960 that, but yeah, it was, Yeah, it wasn't. 1283 01:14:50,960 --> 01:14:52,720 Wasn't quick. So. 1284 01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:54,040 OK. Yeah. 1285 01:14:54,040 --> 01:15:00,760 If he runs 332 in Nairobi at altitude, does this start to get 1286 01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:03,040 you wondering? It's like, hey Emmanuel, this 1287 01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,640 might be the year to go for the 1500. 1288 01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:08,040 Yeah. I wonder whether this would just 1289 01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,840 be as one and done early season 1500. 1290 01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,880 I hope it isn't like we all hope it isn't, but this is similar 1291 01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:18,040 timing to to last year's one. So yeah, it might just be the 1292 01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,520 one and done. It's a great field. 1293 01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:26,160 It's when Yoni versus Timothy Cheriot, Jacob Crop, you got a 1294 01:15:26,160 --> 01:15:30,160 couple Ethiopians in there and then Jonah Kovic is turning up 1295 01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:35,840 there as well. But when Uni is fit, when it 1296 01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:39,600 comes to just sort of like going over distance, if you go back, I 1297 01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:43,800 think to September, he ran some cross country and he finished 1298 01:15:43,840 --> 01:15:47,000 fourth just behind Timothy Cheriot. 1299 01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,520 So this whole layoff where he hasn't been racing hasn't 1300 01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,720 necessarily been due to injury, he's been just sort of, he's not 1301 01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:56,800 one of those guys who does indoor track. 1302 01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:02,240 You got to wonder how Chariot's going to tactically approach 1303 01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:06,760 this because he is strong from the front and you never want to 1304 01:16:06,760 --> 01:16:09,720 leave it to a kicker's race because everyone found out in 1305 01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:13,120 Kingston what happens when you do that. 1306 01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:18,320 So I'll be impressed if it's 332 or faster at altitude in 1307 01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:21,960 Nairobi. But kudos to Kenya for pulling 1308 01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:26,720 this thing off because that Nyayo National Stadium has been 1309 01:16:26,720 --> 01:16:30,120 under construction, having these massive renovations for quite 1310 01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:32,720 some time. And so now people, I think most 1311 01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:37,680 of the meet is at night, they'll be debuting this new, you know, 1312 01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:41,760 stadium with a facelift. And I believe there's even just 1313 01:16:41,760 --> 01:16:44,400 sort of talk for wave light showing up. 1314 01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:48,760 Kenya's getting wave light. So that could be exciting. 1315 01:16:48,760 --> 01:16:52,720 So I think their whole goal is to make this meet. 1316 01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:58,320 If the Diamond League chooses to expand, elevate the Kip Kenya 1317 01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,640 Classic into Diamond League status, which they are, they are 1318 01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:03,800 looking for a replacement. Doha not happening. 1319 01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:05,800 That's another sort of NEWS UPDATE that we've had in the 1320 01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:09,920 last sort of week. The conflict in the Middle East 1321 01:17:09,920 --> 01:17:13,520 has kind of LED organizers to postpone the meet. 1322 01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:15,720 So they pushed it, I think, to June. 1323 01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:23,400 So that happened. And yeah, so that is most of the 1324 01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:29,200 track talk I think that we've got for the past seven days. 1325 01:17:29,200 --> 01:17:32,000 I'm sure this podcast is going long enough that there's going 1326 01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:33,840 to be more news that breaks in the middle of this. 1327 01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:36,200 But we got to talk some marathon stuff first. 1328 01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:41,920 The news of World Athletics launching the stand alone World 1329 01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:46,080 Marathon Championships. So that means that the World 1330 01:17:46,080 --> 01:17:51,640 Championships will no longer have the marathon starting in 1331 01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:55,160 2030. It will remain part of the World 1332 01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:58,880 Athletics Championships in 2027 and 2029, but then it will break 1333 01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:06,760 off into its own stand alone event in 2030 from 2031 then. 1334 01:18:06,880 --> 01:18:10,400 Oh, actually it's just the whole thing is that this new 1335 01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:14,480 championship is going to be an annual event with men and women 1336 01:18:14,480 --> 01:18:21,800 competing in alter dating years. As of right now, Athens is 1337 01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:29,560 slated to host the first one in 20-30 birthplace of the marathon 1338 01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:35,320 when you date back to the Olympic Games and the myth of 1339 01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:38,680 Phidipides. I've been deep in sort of that 1340 01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,800 history, sort of one of the opening chapters of my upcoming 1341 01:18:41,800 --> 01:18:44,800 book. But the Athens Marathon is run 1342 01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:50,760 in November, so if they're choosing to do this sort of 1343 01:18:51,080 --> 01:18:56,280 either together all in one day, or if they do world championship 1344 01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:59,600 marathon on Saturday, mass participation race on Sunday, 1345 01:19:00,280 --> 01:19:05,160 that yet has yet to be determined or announced. 1346 01:19:05,160 --> 01:19:11,080 But this is a a strategic move by World Athletics to up its 1347 01:19:11,080 --> 01:19:15,000 inventory on different events and championships. 1348 01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:18,200 As what we've seen in the last couple of years with the world 1349 01:19:18,200 --> 01:19:20,840 championship marathon. If you go back not even all that 1350 01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:26,280 far, you had Tokyo crazy hot, everyone melting Budapest, also 1351 01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:30,840 crazy hot, everyone melting Doha, where the marathon was 1352 01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:34,360 taking place, you know, at midnight because they were 1353 01:19:34,360 --> 01:19:37,720 hoping that it would be, it would be cool. 1354 01:19:38,000 --> 01:19:40,800 And it was still 90° at the start. 1355 01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:46,200 Ruth Chepengetj won that race and it was the slowest, I think, 1356 01:19:46,360 --> 01:19:49,480 world championship marathon winning time as a result of 1357 01:19:49,480 --> 01:19:55,240 that. So this is something that the 1358 01:19:55,240 --> 01:19:59,800 lap count, I think took a chance to take a little victory lap in 1359 01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:04,640 last week's edition because in 2023, I think off of Budapest, 1360 01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:08,520 Kyle wrote that. The they should move the 1361 01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:11,960 marathon out of the World Championships and attach it to a 1362 01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:16,400 mass participation event and use that revenue to pay elites to 1363 01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:19,480 actually show up and raise. Because when you've looked at 1364 01:20:19,480 --> 01:20:23,840 the fields of these world championship marathons, they can 1365 01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:27,120 be good at times, especially this past one with the on the 1366 01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:29,320 women's side, you had Paris up to your chair and tickets to 1367 01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:35,200 Safa, but you tend to lack the best of the best. 1368 01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:39,320 Elliot Kipchogi has never run the world championship marathon. 1369 01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,520 Calvin Kiptom never ran world championship marathon. 1370 01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:47,800 Sifan Asan never ran a world championship marathon. 1371 01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:51,720 So the best of the best are obviously still going to head 1372 01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:54,560 towards where the money's AT, and that's at the majors. 1373 01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:58,520 And so the whole point a couple years back is that World 1374 01:20:58,520 --> 01:21:03,080 Athletics should start to view the World Marathon Majors as a 1375 01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:07,880 competitor because they are watering down your product at 1376 01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:12,840 the World Championships. But you know, and then I guess 1377 01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:15,280 one thing that they wrote about last week is that there is just 1378 01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:20,280 sort of like a historical context around trying to do 1379 01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:22,640 something like this. The World Marathon Cup was 1380 01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:27,320 something that existed from 1985 to 2011, started off as a team 1381 01:21:27,320 --> 01:21:32,400 competition but then just failed to keep pace with the majors and 1382 01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:36,160 where prize money was going up. And so then it did get absorbed 1383 01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:39,040 to the World Championships and it was further diluted. 1384 01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:43,160 And so the last stand alone edition of the Marathon Cup was 1385 01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:48,080 in 1995 in Athens and it had I think like 37 DNFS. 1386 01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:53,720 So yeah, I think World Athletics is also looking at sports 1387 01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:57,040 properties are one of the hottest things out there right 1388 01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:59,080 now. Everyone wants to tack on a 1389 01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:06,280 bunch of sponsorships and if, if the race walk World 1390 01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:08,560 Championships can be its own sort of thing. 1391 01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:10,920 I think they just happened this past weekend in Brazil. 1392 01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:13,240 Was it? Yep. 1393 01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:18,920 If that could be its own thing, then the marathon obviously is 1394 01:22:18,920 --> 01:22:20,840 going to thrive. It's the healthiest part of the 1395 01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:25,160 whole entire sport. So this makes sense. 1396 01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:30,080 And I could see why some people might be disappointed. 1397 01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:34,360 Like if you're an athlete, you don't get to be with the restive 1398 01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:37,640 Team USA at a world championship and stuff. 1399 01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:41,600 But I don't know, let the marathon have its spotlight. 1400 01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,680 And so I like this move by World Athletics. 1401 01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:50,560 So I, I had a couple of thoughts and I think, yes, I think it, 1402 01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:54,800 it's always made sense to maybe have world championship marathon 1403 01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:58,520 attached to a big city marathon that already exists, right? 1404 01:22:58,520 --> 01:22:59,960 Yes. If they try to set it up as a 1405 01:22:59,960 --> 01:23:02,520 stand alone event, like they tried to do the world road 1406 01:23:02,520 --> 01:23:06,120 running championships, they've run into problems like trying to 1407 01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:07,360 get the mass participation going. 1408 01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:10,120 Obviously we have the problems with San Diego and, and the 1409 01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:12,240 issues with, with the cancellation last year. 1410 01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:15,240 You know, there's all this kind of stuff that that is an issue 1411 01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:19,560 because world athletes requires a certain amount of money to 1412 01:23:19,560 --> 01:23:22,920 host an event. Whilst if you've got a mass 1413 01:23:22,920 --> 01:23:28,640 participation race with 10,000 plus runners already there baked 1414 01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:31,680 in and you're just attaching this world championship label to 1415 01:23:31,680 --> 01:23:36,200 it, then at least the hosting costs I think are minimized to 1416 01:23:36,200 --> 01:23:38,000 the extent that that they can be. 1417 01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:40,080 Because you probably had an elite race anywhere you're going 1418 01:23:40,080 --> 01:23:43,600 to do a broadcast anyway. It's just, you know, a little 1419 01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,560 bit of extra formalities that you need for it to be a World 1420 01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:50,720 Championships in terms of media facilities and VIP facilities 1421 01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:54,320 and, and, and, and hosting some of the the the athletes. 1422 01:23:54,320 --> 01:23:58,680 But you know that there's probably a lot less to add on to 1423 01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:02,440 a big city marathon to kind of put this on now. 1424 01:24:02,640 --> 01:24:04,600 So I think in that sense absolutely makes sense. 1425 01:24:04,600 --> 01:24:06,920 And also taking it out of the marathon, out of the World 1426 01:24:06,920 --> 01:24:10,320 Championships absolutely makes sense in the sense of the top 1427 01:24:10,320 --> 01:24:13,320 marathoners, for the most part, we're not showing up. 1428 01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:17,080 So that kind of took away from the prestige. 1429 01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:20,160 Now I'm not sure this necessarily solves that problem 1430 01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:23,200 because I don't, I don't know unless they are creating some 1431 01:24:23,200 --> 01:24:26,560 sort of new incentive structure for the top marathoners to show 1432 01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:30,760 up to this World Championships marathon, you're still going to 1433 01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:33,880 have the same issue that it's going to clash with your your 1434 01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:37,760 fall major or whatever it is. And therefore athletes are not 1435 01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:41,880 going to want to to, to participate as much. 1436 01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,680 There will be some athletes I'm sure that will who probably, you 1437 01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:49,240 know, and I think we are talking about the top ten 2025 1438 01:24:49,240 --> 01:24:53,120 marathoners in the world to. Think about one gender that's 1439 01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:56,480 going to obviously always clash with the Olympics. 1440 01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:00,840 Yeah, I don't know how they'll deal with that, but you know, 1441 01:25:00,840 --> 01:25:03,160 they may, maybe they will. They'll have that as an off year 1442 01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,280 for the for the World World Marathon Championships. 1443 01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:11,320 But, but who knows? But, you know, like, I think 1444 01:25:11,320 --> 01:25:13,320 that that's probably almost a minor side of it. 1445 01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:17,280 I think the bit that I think that's a bit of a shame is 1446 01:25:17,280 --> 01:25:22,200 taking obviously the opportunity for these Rd. athletes entirely 1447 01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:23,920 to be part of the World Championships, to take that 1448 01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:25,840 away. And I think the way they could 1449 01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:28,000 have fixed this, it's two things. 1450 01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:31,040 I think they should merge the world road running championships 1451 01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:34,680 into whatever this big city marathon is on the Saturday, you 1452 01:25:34,680 --> 01:25:38,600 have your mile, your 5K, whatever else and you have your 1453 01:25:38,600 --> 01:25:42,680 marathon on there the Sunday. So then you, you've also dealt 1454 01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:45,600 with the world road running championships and you then take 1455 01:25:45,600 --> 01:25:48,680 the half marathon and you stick that in the World Championships 1456 01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:53,840 because that way it's probably far enough in advance of most 1457 01:25:53,840 --> 01:25:56,000 people's 4 marathons. If you're doing a New York or 1458 01:25:56,000 --> 01:25:59,600 Valencia, whatever, possibly even a Chicago is far enough in 1459 01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:02,920 advance that you can come and you'd probably get more of the 1460 01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:05,800 world's top marathon and this turning up to a World 1461 01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,080 Championships for the opportunity to be part of that 1462 01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:13,040 whole experience and competing against each other in a really 1463 01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:15,480 high quality half marathon. And also you might get some of 1464 01:26:15,480 --> 01:26:18,880 the 10K guys doing it as well. But I think there's a there's a 1465 01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:21,120 potential advantage to doing that. 1466 01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:22,440 I think that would be really cool. 1467 01:26:22,920 --> 01:26:27,800 And the other problem I think I foresee, which you may not care 1468 01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:30,920 about particularly, but as you mentioned race walking, I think 1469 01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:34,400 this is the end of the race walk because obviously if you're not 1470 01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:37,520 having a marathon, then surely they're not just going to have 1471 01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:40,240 an out of stadium event for the race walk at the at the at the 1472 01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:43,440 main World Championships. And surely that means that the 1473 01:26:43,440 --> 01:26:47,200 World Race Walking Team Championships will then become 1474 01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:50,760 the premier race walking event and you won't have it at the 1475 01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:53,960 World Championships, which then means that the poor old race 1476 01:26:53,960 --> 01:26:56,960 walk is probably going to get forgotten more and more. 1477 01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,600 And the Olympics is the only place where it is. 1478 01:27:00,600 --> 01:27:03,240 And that might even set, you know, it's been slowly squeezed 1479 01:27:03,240 --> 01:27:05,600 out the Olympics as well. It's kind of been squeezed down 1480 01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:10,520 to sort of 1 1/2 events now and, and maybe now it'll, it'll maybe 1481 01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:13,400 even disappear from the Olympics as well in in years to come 1482 01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:17,080 because of that, that move away from it being getting any 1483 01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:18,640 spotlight at all at the World Championships. 1484 01:27:18,640 --> 01:27:19,920 So are. You crying, are you? 1485 01:27:20,040 --> 01:27:22,440 Are you? Getting no, no, no, no, no, I'm 1486 01:27:22,480 --> 01:27:25,040 not getting emotional, but, but I did want to point it out, 1487 01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:29,240 right, that I think that is potentially a consequence of, of 1488 01:27:29,240 --> 01:27:31,400 this is just much sore throat, to be fair. 1489 01:27:32,640 --> 01:27:36,520 But yeah, I think it's a potential consequence of, of, of 1490 01:27:36,520 --> 01:27:38,760 this move. But I do think it's a missed 1491 01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:42,960 opportunity to get the half marathon, which I think would 1492 01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:44,880 sit really well. They did this at European 1493 01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:48,120 Championships in the Olympic year and it worked really well. 1494 01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:50,680 And I think they should. They should seriously think 1495 01:27:50,680 --> 01:27:54,640 about having a half marathon rather than a marathon at the 1496 01:27:54,640 --> 01:27:59,400 World Championships. So the one thing that you got to 1497 01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:04,040 look closely at this press release, So one, I guess we 1498 01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:06,120 poked the whole at the whole annual thing because now we're 1499 01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:08,760 just like, is there going to be a year where there's a Olympic 1500 01:28:08,760 --> 01:28:10,800 champion and a world champion in the marathon? 1501 01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:14,040 And it puts one gender added disadvantage. 1502 01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:19,400 But if if you read, I think this is the third paragraph on there 1503 01:28:19,400 --> 01:28:23,040 from World Athletics is press release, it is a championship 1504 01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:26,640 conceived in close partnership with those who have made the 1505 01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:30,360 marathon the global phenomenon it is today, with full details 1506 01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:33,520 of those partnerships to be announced in the coming months. 1507 01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:38,240 They did not in any other part of this press release mention 1508 01:28:38,800 --> 01:28:43,280 the the World Marathon Majors. But if you read between the 1509 01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:47,640 lines, that's probably who they mean because yeah, the World 1510 01:28:47,640 --> 01:28:50,440 Marathon Majors are who have popularized the marathon. 1511 01:28:50,440 --> 01:28:56,400 So maybe this is just a thought. They probably start with Athens 1512 01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:58,240 because that's where it all started. 1513 01:28:59,880 --> 01:29:04,040 And then from there, they'll probably pick a world Marathon 1514 01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:08,440 major and rotate it all throughout. 1515 01:29:08,480 --> 01:29:10,600 It complicates things in the sense. 1516 01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:12,080 Of like, I don't think they'll do it. 1517 01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:13,880 I don't think they're going to do it at the majors. 1518 01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:16,720 I really don't think so because I I think it would just disrupt 1519 01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,080 a major too much. Yeah, that's what I was 1520 01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:20,120 thinking. Just sort of like if you're the 1521 01:29:20,120 --> 01:29:24,120 elite athlete coordinator who's in charge of signing athletes to 1522 01:29:24,120 --> 01:29:29,680 these races, you're given a budget to bring out XYZ, like a 1523 01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:33,960 certain number of people. Now you have to work with who 1524 01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:37,080 each federation is choosing to send. 1525 01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:40,360 And so like who's part of your elite sort of race that you had 1526 01:29:40,360 --> 01:29:43,880 planned versus like who's part of this world championship 1527 01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:45,160 field? And then like, how do they all 1528 01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:47,160 come together? So like that's the part that I 1529 01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:49,440 think ends up being complicated unless. 1530 01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:55,440 And so I guess like the other challenge with the majors is 1531 01:29:55,440 --> 01:29:58,560 that you can't do the 2 two race thing, a mass participation race 1532 01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:01,360 on Sunday and A and a world championship race on Saturday 1533 01:30:01,360 --> 01:30:04,920 because now you're just sick signalling that the elites who 1534 01:30:04,920 --> 01:30:09,040 are participating in the premier New York City Marathon versus 1535 01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:13,600 the Saturday New York City Marathon are not are, are two 1536 01:30:13,600 --> 01:30:18,440 different elite elite fields. And so, yeah, I guess like 1537 01:30:18,440 --> 01:30:21,440 there's some complications that come with partnering with the 1538 01:30:21,440 --> 01:30:23,800 World Marathon Majors. Yeah, I don't think so. 1539 01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:25,960 I think this will be separate from the World Marathon Majors. 1540 01:30:25,960 --> 01:30:31,240 I think it will be very much a thing where, you know, you you 1541 01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:33,440 have the other big city marathons. 1542 01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:37,280 I can see a Valencia hosting it. I can see, you know, some of 1543 01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:42,160 these other full marathons that are not Chicago, New York and 1544 01:30:42,160 --> 01:30:47,560 Berlin hosting it and, and that that's probably where where it 1545 01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:50,880 goes. But yeah, we will have to see 1546 01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:52,520 how, you know, this is some years away. 1547 01:30:52,560 --> 01:30:55,880 And I think I I imagine the thinking around this will be 1548 01:30:55,880 --> 01:31:00,640 refined as the years go on. You know, it's obviously 1549 01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:04,680 something new and and it's also something that will be post the 1550 01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:08,320 sub Co era, I think. So that's, that's also it will 1551 01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:10,600 it will also be interesting to see how it how it evolves from 1552 01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:15,000 there. This episode of the. 1553 01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:18,000 City of Smack podcast is presented by Alipop, because of 1554 01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,520 course it is. I feel like everywhere I look 1555 01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:23,600 lately I'm seeing Lollipop. It's on all of my favorite 1556 01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:26,000 shows. I saw it on Traitors when the 1557 01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:28,840 contestants were sitting around the mansion trying to decide who 1558 01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:33,000 to vanish at the roundtable. 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That's Citius 25 for 25% off at 1587 01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:04,960 drinklollipop.com. I cannot believe how strong our 1588 01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:06,960 partnership with Lollipop has been over the years. 1589 01:33:07,160 --> 01:33:08,480 We're going to keep this thing going. 1590 01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:15,480 We've made it the runner's soda. I'm just very excited to make a 1591 01:33:15,480 --> 01:33:18,000 trip out to Greece. That's where I had my honeymoon. 1592 01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:23,120 And so if I can put one on the calendar for 20-30, I'll be at 1593 01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,040 the World Marathon Championships. 1594 01:33:25,040 --> 01:33:31,520 And then you could find me in Santorini eating all of the feta 1595 01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:35,920 cheese pies with an apparel spritz in my hand and I'll be a 1596 01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:38,760 happy guy. So excited to get back to to to 1597 01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:42,000 Greece in 20-30. Have you ever been Preet? 1598 01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:44,120 Yeah, yeah, I so I went to Athens. 1599 01:33:44,120 --> 01:33:45,880 I was giving you tips for your honeymoon if you remember. 1600 01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:47,320 Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, you did tell 1601 01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:48,720 me some stuff, Yeah. Yeah. 1602 01:33:48,800 --> 01:33:51,960 So, yeah, that that, that, yeah, obviously the the. 1603 01:33:51,960 --> 01:33:54,200 Cool, I went to an ice cream place that that that you 1604 01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:55,520 recommended. Indeed. 1605 01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,840 So you know, like the, the cool thing there is that you have the 1606 01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:03,520 stadium, like where they, you know, the, the stadium where the 1607 01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:06,840 1896, the first model Olympics were held is still there in 1608 01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:08,640 Athens. And that's that's pretty cool. 1609 01:34:08,640 --> 01:34:10,400 And that stadium looks really cool because I think they 1610 01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:13,640 resurfaced that track and they made it look really funky 1611 01:34:13,640 --> 01:34:15,480 because it's like this black track. 1612 01:34:15,480 --> 01:34:18,680 It's black. I ran, I ran a 79 on that track 1613 01:34:18,680 --> 01:34:22,480 and I guess I don't is it? I don't even know if it's a 400 1614 01:34:22,480 --> 01:34:24,200 meter track or not because obviously it's a weird, it's, 1615 01:34:24,280 --> 01:34:25,840 it's a weird sleep. It's a bit. 1616 01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:29,360 It's a bit longer than a regular track, so it's I. 1617 01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:32,440 Had like casual shoes on and I just got on there and I was 1618 01:34:32,440 --> 01:34:33,640 like, let me see what I got here. 1619 01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:37,080 And so yeah. And then I also went back as I 1620 01:34:37,080 --> 01:34:44,360 spoke to MEB for my book, and I watched back the 2004 Olympic 1621 01:34:44,360 --> 01:34:49,320 marathon, the famous one with the defrocked priest 1622 01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:53,200 interrupting Vanderlei Lima at mile 20, I believe it was. 1623 01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,680 And so, yeah, I mean, makes for some beautiful shots. 1624 01:34:57,920 --> 01:35:00,200 I I spoke to Deena Castor for my book as well. 1625 01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,040 And so she had a great day there as well. 1626 01:35:02,040 --> 01:35:06,320 So yeah, I would love to go back and and watch a marathon there, 1627 01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:10,520 so. All right, let's get into the 1628 01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:13,520 2026 Boston Marathon preview. At this point, I'm like 1629 01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:14,760 wondering. I was like, do we break this off 1630 01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:17,480 into a separate episode that drops the next day? 1631 01:35:17,480 --> 01:35:20,840 But you know, we'll give it to people all in one so they can 1632 01:35:20,840 --> 01:35:26,280 start to unpack and listen. So Monday April 20th is race day 1633 01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:31,680 with roughly 30,000 plus people expected to toe the line. 1634 01:35:33,160 --> 01:35:37,960 The pro men will start at 937, the pro women will start at 947. 1635 01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:41,080 Before we get into sort of the elite action, let's take a quick 1636 01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:45,160 look at the weather and what is in store because you never know 1637 01:35:45,160 --> 01:35:48,920 with Boston you could get some rain, you could get some hot 1638 01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:51,480 temps. That's been the case I think 1639 01:35:52,440 --> 01:35:54,560 more often than not in the last couple of years. 1640 01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:59,680 But as of right now, runners who are going to make their way over 1641 01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:03,840 to Hopkinton on Monday can expect damp morning before 1642 01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:07,480 conditions gradually improve. Monday morning's forecast right 1643 01:36:07,480 --> 01:36:13,000 now has showers likely, clearing to drier and cool conditions as 1644 01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:16,880 the day progresses. I see a high of 58 and a low of 1645 01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:22,600 43 as the average, and right now everything's looking in that 1646 01:36:22,600 --> 01:36:25,600 sort of range. Mild on Saturday for the 5K and 1647 01:36:25,600 --> 01:36:29,320 the mile with showers possibly on Sunday. 1648 01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:34,120 So cool, dry conditions could be favorable for the runners. 1649 01:36:34,240 --> 01:36:39,320 A little rain never hurt nobody. A lot of rain ends up being epic 1650 01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:44,040 2018 Boston Marathon. But then we've had everything 1651 01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:46,480 from snow storms to crazy heat waves. 1652 01:36:46,600 --> 01:36:49,160 This race has been going on for 129 years. 1653 01:36:49,160 --> 01:36:54,760 And so, yeah, it will change between now and race day on 1654 01:36:54,760 --> 01:37:00,320 Monday morning so that this will be the 130th running of Boston. 1655 01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:02,920 And so we've got some stacked fields. 1656 01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:07,920 Again, a reminder if you want to watch the race with us, we'll be 1657 01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:09,920 live on YouTube. Now that I see what the start 1658 01:37:09,920 --> 01:37:13,200 times are, we'll be going on live closer to 9:00 AM Eastern 1659 01:37:13,200 --> 01:37:17,840 Time on the CDs Meg YouTube channel for me, Kyle, Eric and 1660 01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:24,240 Aisha giving all the splits analysis, live reactions to the 1661 01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:26,760 action unfolding in front of us in Boston. 1662 01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:29,920 So TuneIn for the watch along on Monday. 1663 01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:36,000 So let's go ladies first. Last year's race gave us an epic 1664 01:37:36,520 --> 01:37:41,560 duel, one of many epic duels between Sharon Locetti and Helen 1665 01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:45,840 O'berry. And we've grown accustomed to 1666 01:37:45,840 --> 01:37:48,960 seeing these two go at it. And unfortunately, this time 1667 01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:52,600 around, we won't be getting it because Helen O'berry has opted 1668 01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:56,160 to run the London Marathon. Sharon is back. 1669 01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:59,360 She broke the course record last year in 217. 1670 01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:05,640 And this time around, you know, she is battle tested in Boston. 1671 01:38:05,640 --> 01:38:08,560 Consistent experience. She's got all the makings of 1672 01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:11,960 someone who would defend her title. 1673 01:38:12,520 --> 01:38:18,200 But if you look at just sort of who can contest against her, we 1674 01:38:18,240 --> 01:38:21,680 always, we always gravitate toward the fastest PRS in the 1675 01:38:21,680 --> 01:38:23,880 field. So you got an Irene Shepdie, a 1676 01:38:23,880 --> 01:38:28,960 work, Nash, Odessa, both 217 women and big threats out of 1677 01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:34,280 Ethiopia. So you could look there. 1678 01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:39,480 But I always throw time out the window when it comes to a course 1679 01:38:39,480 --> 01:38:42,640 like Boston. It's not every single time the 1680 01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:46,280 fastest woman with the with the fastest, shiniest PR ends up 1681 01:38:46,280 --> 01:38:49,360 winning. So you've had this race goes 1682 01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:54,360 into mile 20 with like 6 or 7 athletes still all together, 1683 01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:58,720 sometimes including Americans. So when you widen sort of that 1684 01:38:58,720 --> 01:39:03,320 scope a little bit, you do end up throwing the likes of Fiona 1685 01:39:03,320 --> 01:39:07,400 O'Keefe into the mix as well, who was one of the few American 1686 01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:09,960 women who went with the leaders at the New York City Marathon. 1687 01:39:09,960 --> 01:39:13,920 So I'm looking for something big out of her, especially, you 1688 01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:17,240 know, if her fitness is comparable to where it was in 1689 01:39:17,240 --> 01:39:20,720 New York because she had a great day there. 1690 01:39:20,760 --> 01:39:25,400 And so she was what, second at the Gate River Run not that long 1691 01:39:25,400 --> 01:39:28,440 ago. So in the one sort of like data 1692 01:39:28,440 --> 01:39:32,400 point that we have good and that's a good sign of things. 1693 01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:35,680 So at the front end of the race, Preet, like who are you looking 1694 01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:38,200 at to potentially win? Yeah. 1695 01:39:38,360 --> 01:39:41,880 And I think Sharon has to go in as as the heavy favorite. 1696 01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:44,080 I don't think there's any doubt about that. 1697 01:39:44,680 --> 01:39:47,080 You're saying heavy favorite? I, I think so. 1698 01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:51,520 I mean, look, she's she's won it before she's you know, and she's 1699 01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:56,480 someone who I think we know that she's always, you know, she's 1700 01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:58,760 always in the top 2 at these majors, right? 1701 01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:01,800 Like these that is her, that is her spot. 1702 01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:05,080 And she's, you know, she's very, very good at looking that down. 1703 01:40:05,080 --> 01:40:09,760 And I just don't see necessarily, you know, yeah, of 1704 01:40:09,760 --> 01:40:12,680 course she could be upset And and it depends how the race 1705 01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:14,760 plays out. It's going to be AII. 1706 01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:19,240 Don't see it being super, super quick this time, but I do think. 1707 01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:23,320 You know, she's she's good at these tactical slower races and 1708 01:40:23,560 --> 01:40:25,840 she knows when to make her moves, especially on this 1709 01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:28,360 course. And she's just proven it time 1710 01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:31,560 time again. So I'm, I do think she's, yes, 1711 01:40:31,560 --> 01:40:35,160 there's a whole load of women in terms of these PRS who are in 1712 01:40:35,160 --> 01:40:39,960 that 217 to 18 range, but I don't necessarily think that 1713 01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:45,360 makes them competitive on with, with her on the Boston course. 1714 01:40:46,600 --> 01:40:49,440 Yeah, I'm looking, I see what, six women who have run under 1715 01:40:50,360 --> 01:40:54,000 220. If you kind of give an edge to 1716 01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:56,600 experience, you look at someone like Mary and Googie Cooper, 1717 01:40:56,600 --> 01:41:01,720 who's like run 219 and been, you know, on the podium in Boston in 1718 01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:04,640 the past. And then you you do have a bunch 1719 01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:07,600 of people who have just run fast on flat courses like Dubai, 1720 01:41:07,600 --> 01:41:10,000 Chicago, Hamburg. And what does that mean in 1721 01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:14,120 Boston? Nothing, because it's it's a 1722 01:41:14,120 --> 01:41:16,480 very different course. And so the race plays out 1723 01:41:16,760 --> 01:41:22,000 differently, similar to how we had with Helen and with Sharon 1724 01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:26,000 over the last couple years where you have to scroll on a start 1725 01:41:26,000 --> 01:41:29,240 list to try and find someone who is intriguing. 1726 01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:32,840 That's how I feel right now about Fiona O'Keefe, who her PB 1727 01:41:32,840 --> 01:41:38,600 is still 222 from the Olympic Trials in 2024. 1728 01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:42,000 I'm looking for her to have a good day and the reason why 1729 01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:46,760 maybe I lean towards Fiona O'Keefe is top American. 1730 01:41:46,840 --> 01:41:50,600 No big shocker there over. And Emily Sisson, who is the 1731 01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:53,600 American record holder, is just 'cause I mean, we just saw this 1732 01:41:53,600 --> 01:41:59,160 match up not that long ago. And Sisson is a rhythm runner 1733 01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:04,640 who has proven to be great on flat courses and didn't quite 1734 01:42:04,640 --> 01:42:07,880 have the best of days at the New York City Marathon. 1735 01:42:08,200 --> 01:42:11,640 And I think when she just went on the Ali on the Run show, she 1736 01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:15,760 said something about how she had some minor ankle injury or 1737 01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:17,800 something like that that popped up not that long ago. 1738 01:42:17,800 --> 01:42:21,760 So you got to be on for for Boston. 1739 01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:25,120 And so it's just sort of like I'm, that's how I'm sort of 1740 01:42:25,120 --> 01:42:28,360 looking at. Last year you had Annie Frisbee 1741 01:42:28,520 --> 01:42:31,560 have a really good showing at the Boston Marathon. 1742 01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:35,200 Susanna Sullivan, 4th place at the World Championships, you 1743 01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:38,920 know, often times we've overlooked her. 1744 01:42:38,920 --> 01:42:41,160 And what I said, I think right before the interview that I did 1745 01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:44,560 with her on the podcast last week or two weeks ago was that, 1746 01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:46,280 you know, we're putting that behind us now. 1747 01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:49,440 And so she, I think, is making a return to the Boston Marathon 1748 01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:52,280 for the first time since 2021, I think. 1749 01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:55,960 So you can look for her to have a good day. 1750 01:42:56,160 --> 01:42:59,880 I'm also just sort of like big on buying stock on Jess McClain, 1751 01:42:59,880 --> 01:43:04,240 right? 222 is her PB from Boston last 1752 01:43:04,240 --> 01:43:06,640 year. Fitness seems to be in a good 1753 01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:09,920 spot. Had it not been for that lead 1754 01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:12,760 car, she would have had a national title added to her 1755 01:43:12,760 --> 01:43:14,680 resume over the last couple months. 1756 01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:20,560 I would love to see a battle between Fiona O'Keefe and Jess 1757 01:43:20,560 --> 01:43:23,640 McClain for Top American in this one in the late stages of the 1758 01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:25,640 race. And throw Emily Sisson in there 1759 01:43:25,640 --> 01:43:30,560 as well, just to kind of see that resurrection that would be, 1760 01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:34,960 you know, kind of epic. And for an American top five in 1761 01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:38,560 a field like this would be a a good day and I, I would say 1762 01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:42,760 attainable for sure. Yeah, there's there's definitely 1763 01:43:42,760 --> 01:43:46,520 space there for, for an American or, or an international athlete 1764 01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:50,480 to get into that, that top five, you know, outside of the, the 1765 01:43:50,480 --> 01:43:53,240 sort of the the fastest women who are on paper. 1766 01:43:53,240 --> 01:43:56,800 And I think, you know, I was going to say Natasha Rogers. 1767 01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:59,800 I think it's someone who's been improving with every marathon 1768 01:43:59,800 --> 01:44:01,400 she does. She's out. 1769 01:44:02,000 --> 01:44:04,400 Oh, she out. Oh so fortunate. 1770 01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:06,200 Sorry, she's. Still manifestry. 1771 01:44:06,400 --> 01:44:09,880 It is like is is in that same sort of category that you're 1772 01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:11,400 throwing in there. Yeah, absolutely. 1773 01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:13,160 Yes, No, I'd agree. Amanda Vestry is probably the 1774 01:44:13,160 --> 01:44:14,360 other person I was going to shout out. 1775 01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:17,440 Obviously from her interview, she sounded like she's kind of, 1776 01:44:18,160 --> 01:44:19,680 you know, really settling into that training. 1777 01:44:19,680 --> 01:44:22,320 She's training alongside Jess McLean with them. 1778 01:44:22,840 --> 01:44:25,120 Well, separate, well, separately, but separately, 1779 01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:26,240 same, same coach. Yeah. 1780 01:44:26,280 --> 01:44:28,880 Yeah. So that that's pretty cool. 1781 01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:32,880 It'd be interesting to see how Erica Kemp does because 1782 01:44:33,240 --> 01:44:36,440 obviously she's also been been training with Cynthia Areevo and 1783 01:44:36,440 --> 01:44:39,120 and and coaching her. Coaching Cynthia Areevo not 1784 01:44:39,120 --> 01:44:40,760 training with Cynthia Areevo. Well, she's training with 1785 01:44:40,760 --> 01:44:42,400 Cynthia Areevo. Apparently they've been running 1786 01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:44,160 together as well, apparently. That's really. 1787 01:44:44,320 --> 01:44:46,000 Yeah, that's what they're. I think that's what the Runners 1788 01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:48,760 World article or something said. So yeah, they they've obviously 1789 01:44:48,760 --> 01:44:51,280 done some runs together. It's not just a remote coaching. 1790 01:44:51,880 --> 01:44:56,440 Is Cynthia Revo in 223 shape? No, but I, I imagine they've 1791 01:44:56,480 --> 01:44:59,960 done some runs together, but yeah, no, maybe a long run or 1792 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,920 something, but she's going for 3:15 is Cynthia Revo. 1793 01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:08,320 But yeah, yeah. I'm curious about Dakota Propane 1794 01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:15,400 because she's run 224. That's her PR from Chicago last 1795 01:45:15,400 --> 01:45:21,000 year. But she trains so hard and and 1796 01:45:21,080 --> 01:45:27,160 has runs crazy mileage that it hasn't necessarily aligned. 1797 01:45:27,160 --> 01:45:30,520 I know she talks big before these races. 1798 01:45:30,600 --> 01:45:33,080 The confidence is there when you see her in the pre race press 1799 01:45:33,080 --> 01:45:37,320 conferences and it just sort of has not panned out since like 1800 01:45:37,320 --> 01:45:42,920 the Olympics both in New York and Boston, I think last year 1801 01:45:43,800 --> 01:45:47,080 and New York I think again last year. 1802 01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:52,960 So it's sort of like in the similar way that we had this as 1803 01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:56,880 Emma Bates as well, where, you know, there'd be the big flashy 1804 01:45:56,880 --> 01:46:02,480 quote right before Boston or one of these races being like, I 1805 01:46:02,480 --> 01:46:06,000 believe I'm in 218 shape, 219 shape. 1806 01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:09,160 And then the race doesn't play out in that way. 1807 01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:11,360 And so you're just kind of left wondering. 1808 01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:15,120 It's like, damn, like that was probably an awesome training 1809 01:46:15,120 --> 01:46:18,240 block and the stars just didn't align for them. 1810 01:46:18,320 --> 01:46:20,200 And so I feel the same way with Dakota. 1811 01:46:20,200 --> 01:46:22,120 She went out to Utah this time around. 1812 01:46:22,120 --> 01:46:23,840 I think that's something that might be a little bit different 1813 01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:28,320 compared to other blocks. So she spent time around like 1814 01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:33,240 the Ed I Stone Marathon group along I believe with Annie 1815 01:46:33,240 --> 01:46:36,760 Frisby. So good portion of time at 1816 01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:39,520 altitude. And so, yeah, the American 1817 01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:42,280 field, everyone's here and it's a good one. 1818 01:46:43,160 --> 01:46:45,120 Yeah, absolutely. Like, yeah, everyone's here I 1819 01:46:45,120 --> 01:46:48,160 think, yeah, it gives us a little, you know, we always like 1820 01:46:48,160 --> 01:46:52,080 to see these kind of things as a preview of the 2028 Olympic 1821 01:46:52,080 --> 01:46:54,440 Trials. That's, that's always the, the 1822 01:46:54,440 --> 01:46:57,320 storyline and we want to see how people stack up in these kind of 1823 01:46:57,640 --> 01:47:01,680 especially a Boston is a tactical marathon effectively. 1824 01:47:01,680 --> 01:47:04,320 So it, it does give us some, some indication. 1825 01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:06,760 I think a couple of other shout outs. 1826 01:47:06,760 --> 01:47:13,120 I wanted to, to give Ava Crean of Ireland, who you might say, 1827 01:47:13,120 --> 01:47:15,600 well, why, why am I talking about her? 1828 01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:20,400 She is only 2019 or maybe 20 years old, just turned 20 if 1829 01:47:20,400 --> 01:47:25,120 anything, but she's been like tearing up Irish marathon 1830 01:47:25,120 --> 01:47:28,520 records and stuff at such a young age. 1831 01:47:28,520 --> 01:47:31,560 So it's a pretty cool story to to watch. 1832 01:47:32,240 --> 01:47:36,360 And she's she's only run 234 so far, but but I think she's she's 1833 01:47:36,360 --> 01:47:39,320 someone who who could be really interesting to watch and it's 1834 01:47:39,320 --> 01:47:42,720 it's a cool story. Obviously Kelly Horger Thackery 1835 01:47:42,720 --> 01:47:45,280 as well. Are you thinking Irish age group 1836 01:47:45,360 --> 01:47:47,520 marathon records? Because, like, the women's 1837 01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:50,640 marathon record is 2/22. So yes, yeah, yeah. 1838 01:47:50,640 --> 01:47:53,440 But she's someone who's he's, yeah, he's doing cool things 1839 01:47:53,480 --> 01:47:56,440 right at such a young age. And she she's created a lot of 1840 01:47:56,440 --> 01:47:59,720 excitement. And yeah, I mean, the other 1841 01:47:59,720 --> 01:48:03,440 person, Kelly Orgatha, Korea was going to say 24 weeks pregnant 1842 01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:06,960 and it's hope she's not 100%, but she said she's she's going 1843 01:48:07,000 --> 01:48:10,440 to try and line up on the start line and, and see what she can 1844 01:48:10,440 --> 01:48:12,360 do. So that's obviously quite an 1845 01:48:12,360 --> 01:48:15,880 inspirational and and fun storyline to to be following. 1846 01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:18,960 And she's been very open about her journey towards this 1847 01:48:18,960 --> 01:48:22,480 somewhat unusual Boston Marathon as well, so. 1848 01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:24,480 This baby's racking up marathon medals. 1849 01:48:24,600 --> 01:48:27,120 This baby's gonna have more marathon medals than like 1850 01:48:27,160 --> 01:48:31,120 binkies to play with. Absolutely. 1851 01:48:31,120 --> 01:48:33,120 It's, it's, it's a fabulous story. 1852 01:48:34,160 --> 01:48:36,560 So yeah. And, and yeah, I think you, you 1853 01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:38,400 know, I think, yeah, there's, there's obviously the Aussie 1854 01:48:38,400 --> 01:48:43,240 storyline as well, Izzy, about Doyle, Lisa Wightman as well, 1855 01:48:43,240 --> 01:48:46,840 who've been kind of trading, you know, who've been kind of really 1856 01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:51,720 trying to push the, the Australian, Australian marathon 1857 01:48:51,720 --> 01:48:54,480 record as well. But they're, yeah, again, cool 1858 01:48:54,480 --> 01:48:56,640 to see them lining up a little bit of a battle there. 1859 01:48:57,120 --> 01:49:01,160 So yeah, lots, lots of storylines to follow in this 1860 01:49:01,160 --> 01:49:03,120 race. And yeah, it will. 1861 01:49:03,280 --> 01:49:05,440 It will definitely be be a good one. 1862 01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:11,360 That's the women's race. Let's take a peek over now at 1863 01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:15,400 the men's side, where you have John Career returning to defend 1864 01:49:15,760 --> 01:49:23,080 his title. He won Chicago in 2024, then 1865 01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:31,800 wins Boston 2025, drops out of Chicago 2025, bounces back and 1866 01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:36,680 wins Valencia in December and clocks a personal best of 1867 01:49:36,680 --> 01:49:41,400 202-2041. Of the guys who's out there 1868 01:49:41,400 --> 01:49:44,080 right now that you can make a case for being the best 1869 01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:46,400 marathoner in the world, right? You got him. 1870 01:49:46,440 --> 01:49:48,400 You got Sebastian Saway, you got Jacob Kaplimo. 1871 01:49:48,400 --> 01:49:54,120 Look, those are the big three out there right now, and Career 1872 01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:56,600 is one of those guys who has started to float the idea of 1873 01:49:56,600 --> 01:50:01,960 like, would love to run under 2O1 someday or, and I could see 1874 01:50:01,960 --> 01:50:06,720 that potential in him for sure. Ironically enough, he's not even 1875 01:50:06,720 --> 01:50:10,800 the fastest guy in this field. That belongs to Benson Capruto, 1876 01:50:11,160 --> 01:50:15,640 who has run 2O216IN Tokyo back in 2024. 1877 01:50:16,640 --> 01:50:19,960 But now, you know, Benson's coming off of winning the New 1878 01:50:19,960 --> 01:50:25,400 York City Marathon in November, where he's been able to collect 1879 01:50:25,640 --> 01:50:33,600 what Chicago, Boston, NY and Tokyo I think in the past as 1880 01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:37,360 well due to stacking world Marathon major titles. 1881 01:50:37,360 --> 01:50:39,880 Remember, when there's like all this hype around, Kipchogi wants 1882 01:50:39,880 --> 01:50:42,400 to be the first one to win all 6. 1883 01:50:42,880 --> 01:50:46,760 Benson's got a shot. He's won this race before, so 1884 01:50:46,760 --> 01:50:48,400 he's got sort of that experience. 1885 01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:51,520 So when you couple both of those things, you already off the bat 1886 01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:55,000 have a great match up between Benson Capruto and John Career. 1887 01:50:55,400 --> 01:51:00,360 Then you throw in some other sub 2O four guys, Milkesha Mingessa 1888 01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:05,400 from Ethiopia, Cybrian Kotoot. Where did Kotoot just run? 1889 01:51:05,480 --> 01:51:08,320 Last year, I don't know, he he came third in this race last 1890 01:51:08,320 --> 01:51:09,680 year. So he was just ahead of 1891 01:51:09,680 --> 01:51:10,960 Conomance. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1892 01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:12,560 So that's OK. That's why that sounded 1893 01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:15,920 familiar. Abdi Nagaya, he's the Olympic 1894 01:51:15,920 --> 01:51:18,960 silver medalist, New York City Marathon champion two years ago 1895 01:51:19,400 --> 01:51:23,720 he's in it as well. He told me I think in November, 1896 01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:26,600 he was like, I think this is going to be my last marathon. 1897 01:51:26,600 --> 01:51:28,920 So he's definitely far from retired. 1898 01:51:28,920 --> 01:51:32,880 Maybe he meant last New York, but you know when he he's 1899 01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:35,000 someone who's gone to London in the past. 1900 01:51:35,000 --> 01:51:39,360 He ran two O 420 last year in London. 1901 01:51:39,400 --> 01:51:41,880 He was what that what's happened in top five last year. 1902 01:51:41,960 --> 01:51:44,400 Was he? Yeah. 1903 01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:48,760 Where you had Sowei Kiplimo who is third. 1904 01:51:51,000 --> 01:51:55,760 Sowei Kiplimo and. Nagaya must have been up there 1905 01:51:55,760 --> 01:51:59,600 when you run two O 420. 20 No, there've been a few 2O threes, 1906 01:52:00,160 --> 01:52:01,720 There's quite a few 2O threes, but. 1907 01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:05,520 Well, regardless, he's still really good for for a guy who 1908 01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:09,440 has run, you know, 30 plus marathons in his career. 1909 01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:14,120 Alfonse Simbu, is he still in the field? 1910 01:52:14,120 --> 01:52:16,880 Yes. Yes, second of this race last 1911 01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:20,160 year and obviously world champion as well last year. 1912 01:52:20,160 --> 01:52:21,840 So he had a really good year last year. 1913 01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:25,880 So looking to see him back that up because he was I think due to 1914 01:52:25,880 --> 01:52:28,520 be in Valencia and then then pulled out. 1915 01:52:28,560 --> 01:52:32,280 Was it He was used to be somewhere and he pulled out but 1916 01:52:32,600 --> 01:52:38,000 obviously he is lining up here. So that is that is pretty good. 1917 01:52:38,600 --> 01:52:41,680 We'll get to the Americans in a second, but when you just look 1918 01:52:41,680 --> 01:52:46,840 at that population of athletes right there, throw Alex Masai as 1919 01:52:46,840 --> 01:52:51,000 well because he was third just ahead of Conor Mance at the 1920 01:52:51,440 --> 01:52:54,760 Chicago Marathon. Leni Burhanu, who's won this 1921 01:52:54,760 --> 01:52:58,440 race. Men's side seems to be a bit 1922 01:52:58,440 --> 01:53:02,880 more top heavy than the women's side where we were pretty clear 1923 01:53:02,880 --> 01:53:05,440 on like Sharon is the heavy favorite. 1924 01:53:06,000 --> 01:53:10,800 This one I could still peg career as a favorite, but I'm 1925 01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:14,240 not necessarily. I could see a situation where 1926 01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:17,160 Kibruto wins. Alex Messiah. 1927 01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:18,920 I could even see a situation where he wins. 1928 01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:22,120 Yeah, Simbu obviously is a threat. 1929 01:53:23,280 --> 01:53:25,560 Yeah, there's definitely, definitely a bunch of guys there 1930 01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:28,200 who will be in that mix, and I mean Kota as well. 1931 01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:35,880 Who do you give the edge to? I I do think if, if, if John 1932 01:53:35,880 --> 01:53:38,880 Korea gets it right and this is this is the thing, you know, he, 1933 01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:42,240 he ran so impressively in Valencia, bouncing back off a 1934 01:53:42,240 --> 01:53:46,040 slightly not so great Chicago, where he kind of just got his 1935 01:53:46,040 --> 01:53:49,480 tactics wrong, frankly, and therefore ended up kind of 1936 01:53:50,160 --> 01:53:54,360 burning out and blowing up. So if he gets his tactics right, 1937 01:53:54,440 --> 01:53:57,200 then then I think John career is, is the man. 1938 01:53:57,200 --> 01:53:59,920 But but Benson Caputo is a wily competitor. 1939 01:53:59,920 --> 01:54:02,520 And I, I do think it it will be between those two. 1940 01:54:02,520 --> 01:54:06,400 But but yeah, as I say, like this is the kind of race where 1941 01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:11,440 there is a chance that if, if you know, if, if they don't make 1942 01:54:11,440 --> 01:54:14,000 their moves at the right moment, then then someone else could, 1943 01:54:14,160 --> 01:54:17,400 could, could, could stay with a pack and and nip in there for 1944 01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:21,680 for a surprise win. Looking at this, I miss Connor 1945 01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:26,320 Mintz, my my podcast's Co host. Who? 1946 01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:31,280 Yeah, the thing that he's kind of still waiting to scratch the 1947 01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:34,840 itch he's still waiting to scratch is a podium at a world 1948 01:54:34,840 --> 01:54:38,520 marathon major. And this would be a a tough one, 1949 01:54:39,320 --> 01:54:42,560 but nothing, nothing of that stature is easy. 1950 01:54:42,920 --> 01:54:48,560 So really unfortunate that he wasn't able to make this start 1951 01:54:48,560 --> 01:54:52,560 line, but it's a very, very good field. 1952 01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:57,480 So yeah, I prediction I'm going John career. 1953 01:54:58,040 --> 01:55:01,920 It's hard not to given the way he's run it last year. 1954 01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:09,560 I could see, but I could see Kit Bruto, Alex Messiah's my dark 1955 01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:15,240 horse of all of them and my sneaky podium pick. 1956 01:55:15,760 --> 01:55:20,840 I've picked him before for things Tabello Ramakungawana 1957 01:55:21,240 --> 01:55:27,240 from Lesotho. Dude is a monster on hills. 1958 01:55:28,240 --> 01:55:31,080 If you've looked at just sort of his Strava or some videos that 1959 01:55:31,080 --> 01:55:37,160 are out there and he's knocking on the door of a major marathon 1960 01:55:37,160 --> 01:55:40,920 performance, this could be it. So I'm going to keep saying it 1961 01:55:40,920 --> 01:55:43,320 until it sticks and it then I get it right. 1962 01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:46,880 I'm, I'm going to go, I'm going to go for a bit of a left field. 1963 01:55:47,040 --> 01:55:50,640 Well, I don't know it's left field, but a bit of an ambitious 1964 01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:54,040 dark horse pick. I'm going to go for Zuhair Talby 1965 01:55:54,240 --> 01:55:58,400 as my dark horse to win no podium podium, not podium, not 1966 01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:01,960 not to win, but, but I think I think dark horse for the first 1967 01:56:01,960 --> 01:56:07,000 sort of podium podium finish. I could see it, yeah. 1968 01:56:07,000 --> 01:56:10,280 But then you just kind of like took the the shine out of 1969 01:56:10,280 --> 01:56:12,880 talking about the Americans and you're just gonna pick zoo. 1970 01:56:12,880 --> 01:56:16,400 Here go. To be fair, I don't he's 1971 01:56:17,160 --> 01:56:21,120 weirdly, I think he's my, he's my pick for if he has a good day 1972 01:56:21,520 --> 01:56:24,080 the the podium, but I don't think he's my pick for top 1973 01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:26,120 Americans. So that's it's. 1974 01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:28,040 It's a weird one. Whoa, what? 1975 01:56:28,160 --> 01:56:29,840 Wait. OK, so you have two Americans on 1976 01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:32,880 the podium. No, no, no, but as in I as in I 1977 01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:36,240 think like if Zuhair has a really good day, he can get on 1978 01:56:36,240 --> 01:56:39,840 the podium, but I think that there's a chance that you know, 1979 01:56:40,160 --> 01:56:42,360 but that that's kind of like a 10% chance. 1980 01:56:42,720 --> 01:56:45,920 And I think there's a much higher chance that there's 1981 01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:47,920 someone else that another America that beats him. 1982 01:56:48,080 --> 01:56:52,800 So that's. OK, so let's assess the American 1983 01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:55,200 field. Conor Mance out with an injury. 1984 01:56:55,200 --> 01:56:58,280 So top American seems to be a bit more wide open. 1985 01:56:58,360 --> 01:57:03,200 You bring up Zuhair, who is an American citizen still, I guess 1986 01:57:03,200 --> 01:57:08,040 technically, I guess on World Athletics represents Morocco for 1987 01:57:08,040 --> 01:57:12,240 all of these performances up until next year, I think is when 1988 01:57:12,360 --> 01:57:16,960 the switch officially sort of happens so he can run US 1989 01:57:16,960 --> 01:57:19,040 championships. We've talked about this enough 1990 01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:21,760 and he's been a guest on the podcast in recent months, but 1991 01:57:22,600 --> 01:57:29,760 after he ran Two O 445 in January at the Houston Marathon, 1992 01:57:30,160 --> 01:57:32,880 we had him on the podcast or two O 545. 1993 01:57:34,720 --> 01:57:39,160 He's someone who 2023 Boston was the one that still stands out in 1994 01:57:39,160 --> 01:57:41,360 my memory of him having a a pretty good day. 1995 01:57:42,520 --> 01:57:45,920 And I remember going to the Boston Marathon last year, I 1996 01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:48,080 think it was the pre race press conference and going up to him 1997 01:57:48,080 --> 01:57:49,720 and being like, dude, I think you could win this race. 1998 01:57:49,720 --> 01:57:51,160 And he was like, oh, that's so nice of you. 1999 01:57:51,160 --> 01:57:53,920 And I was like, no, seriously, I think you should start thinking 2000 01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:57,960 that you can win this race. And I think he does have the 2001 01:57:57,960 --> 01:58:04,000 talent to end up on the podium like you've said, but he's got a 2002 01:58:04,760 --> 01:58:07,600 tough American field as well. He's bold enough to race with 2003 01:58:07,600 --> 01:58:10,080 the leaders. That's what that's sort of where 2004 01:58:10,080 --> 01:58:14,560 I sort of land where in the past last couple years it's been 2005 01:58:14,800 --> 01:58:19,120 Mance and Clayton who get sort of like that attention of trying 2006 01:58:19,120 --> 01:58:22,680 to latch on to the Co toots, to the symbols, to the careers of 2007 01:58:22,680 --> 01:58:24,400 the world when they make their big break. 2008 01:58:26,360 --> 01:58:30,440 Zoo has just all is always kind of been in that bunch as well. 2009 01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:34,480 He just I guess didn't get as much attention because he wasn't 2010 01:58:34,480 --> 01:58:37,120 American. Now they'll be I think a bigger 2011 01:58:37,120 --> 01:58:39,640 spotlight on him in those situations. 2012 01:58:39,840 --> 01:58:43,960 So we bring up Clayton Young guests on the show a couple 2013 01:58:43,960 --> 01:58:46,480 weeks ago where we checked in on how his training was going. 2014 01:58:46,480 --> 01:58:49,440 So he had these hopes of post World Championships where he 2015 01:58:49,440 --> 01:58:52,120 finished ninth. He wanted to go to Valencia and 2016 01:58:52,120 --> 01:58:55,280 try and break the American record that was just set by 2017 01:58:55,280 --> 01:59:00,440 Conor Mance. That didn't happen injury pretty 2018 01:59:00,440 --> 01:59:03,480 bad one. He was knocked out for 16 weeks. 2019 01:59:03,480 --> 01:59:08,320 I think it was. And then, you know, almost gets 2020 01:59:08,320 --> 01:59:12,840 to the point where he needs surgery, OPS against it finds a 2021 01:59:12,840 --> 01:59:17,520 way to put a wedge in his shoe and it corrects things for him 2022 01:59:17,600 --> 01:59:21,120 in a way that he's been able to run pain free. 2023 01:59:22,000 --> 01:59:26,200 And when you look at his Strava and he's knocking off 130 mile 2024 01:59:26,200 --> 01:59:29,360 weeks, seems like the guy is pretty healthy. 2025 01:59:30,440 --> 01:59:35,160 Maybe not as fit as he was year over year when you look at just 2026 01:59:35,160 --> 01:59:36,880 sort of the splits and the workouts and all that kind of 2027 01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:43,240 stuff, but still strong enough I think to contend for top 2028 01:59:43,240 --> 01:59:47,480 American. And then in the next pocket of 2029 01:59:48,320 --> 01:59:53,680 talent on the American side is the rising bunch. 2030 01:59:53,960 --> 02:00:00,160 That will be factors come 2028. That includes Alex Mayer, 2031 02:00:02,640 --> 02:00:07,680 Charles Hicks, Joe Klecker. Those are the guys that off the 2032 02:00:07,680 --> 02:00:10,880 bat, I see Ryan Ford. Sort of with the Kiptu. 2033 02:00:12,200 --> 02:00:14,080 Wesley Kiptu Is Wesley running his race? 2034 02:00:14,520 --> 02:00:18,440 He is in the in the field, yeah. Oh wow, that one totally slipped 2035 02:00:18,440 --> 02:00:21,440 by me. But yeah. 2036 02:00:21,440 --> 02:00:28,640 So it's getting, look, when we talk about sort of 2028 US 2037 02:00:28,640 --> 02:00:35,320 Olympic marathon trials outlook, Boston is sort of our first sort 2038 02:00:35,400 --> 02:00:41,080 of we'll have a big board after Monday where we can see just 2039 02:00:41,080 --> 02:00:45,640 sort of like, all right, we just saw the top American marathoners 2040 02:00:45,640 --> 02:00:50,360 minus Mance, minus Hilary Bohr, who just ran 208 in, where was 2041 02:00:50,360 --> 02:00:52,840 it, Rotterdam. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 2042 02:00:53,120 --> 02:00:56,600 Rotterdam, Yeah. Some other people scattered here 2043 02:00:56,600 --> 02:01:00,120 and there, but most, most of the contenders for 2028 are all 2044 02:01:00,120 --> 02:01:02,880 lining up here. How are they stacking up now? 2045 02:01:03,440 --> 02:01:09,040 Check back in in six weeks and then, you know, or in six months 2046 02:01:09,120 --> 02:01:11,880 and then we're going to have a we're going to have a pecking 2047 02:01:11,880 --> 02:01:15,280 order after this weekend. Some people will have a rough 2048 02:01:15,280 --> 02:01:17,240 day and totally drop out of the race. 2049 02:01:17,240 --> 02:01:21,720 That's fine. But this will show us a lot. 2050 02:01:21,880 --> 02:01:28,960 And of that bunch, I think Alex Mayer is also going to be very 2051 02:01:28,960 --> 02:01:33,320 good quiet marathon debut last year in Dusseldorf where he ran 2052 02:01:33,320 --> 02:01:37,320 two O 833 in his first try. I mean, that's that's great. 2053 02:01:37,640 --> 02:01:39,120 Or did he run Chicago before that? 2054 02:01:39,240 --> 02:01:41,400 No, he ran something else before that and this was his second 2055 02:01:41,400 --> 02:01:43,640 race where he went out and and won the race, right. 2056 02:01:43,640 --> 02:01:47,000 So I think that was the that was the storyline with Alex Mayer. 2057 02:01:47,600 --> 02:01:48,320 OK. Oh yeah, yeah. 2058 02:01:48,360 --> 02:01:53,520 He ran 211 I think in Chicago, then 22-O8IN Dusseldorf as 2059 02:01:53,520 --> 02:01:54,840 Turner. Wiley brought this up I think, 2060 02:01:54,840 --> 02:01:58,880 when I had him on the podcast. Yeah, and, and Alex is my pick 2061 02:01:58,880 --> 02:02:02,280 for top American. I, I, I think he, I think. 2062 02:02:02,280 --> 02:02:04,600 The guy who's scared the happy mirth on American record in 2063 02:02:04,600 --> 02:02:07,920 January is your pick. Surprise, surprise. 2064 02:02:08,240 --> 02:02:11,120 But yeah, no, I mean, that's like it's the year like Puma 2065 02:02:11,120 --> 02:02:15,760 Elite, kind of that Puma Elite group is just, yeah, it's just 2066 02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:17,120 on. You're sipping the Kool-aid. 2067 02:02:17,520 --> 02:02:19,640 Yeah, exactly, absolutely. Sipping the kool-aid. 2068 02:02:19,640 --> 02:02:25,480 I think he they, they are just so, so consistent. 2069 02:02:25,640 --> 02:02:30,160 Like all of them are just running so well that I, I just, 2070 02:02:30,440 --> 02:02:35,360 I just think that it's yeah, I think it's, it's fairly 2071 02:02:35,880 --> 02:02:38,920 unsurprising. It would be pretty unsurprising 2072 02:02:38,920 --> 02:02:45,440 if they if if Alex is the is the top American because I I think 2073 02:02:45,520 --> 02:02:47,880 Amy and Alison Craig just seem to be getting it right every 2074 02:02:47,880 --> 02:02:52,520 single time with their athletes. My pick for top American is 2075 02:02:52,520 --> 02:02:57,400 going to be Galen Rupp. No, I'm just kidding you. 2076 02:02:57,800 --> 02:03:00,240 You didn't even make it a second without starting to laugh. 2077 02:03:00,280 --> 02:03:01,880 I just. I'm looking at him because he's 2078 02:03:01,960 --> 02:03:08,600 high up on the start list because of his 2O6PB and I just 2079 02:03:08,600 --> 02:03:12,960 noticed that there are three men in this field with everyone 2080 02:03:12,960 --> 02:03:15,160 else. Of the whole entire elite field, 2081 02:03:15,200 --> 02:03:17,960 only three men set their PBS pre pandemic. 2082 02:03:18,240 --> 02:03:24,600 It's Galen Rupp, Sandra Moen and Lemi Berhanu who has the oldest 2083 02:03:24,600 --> 02:03:28,760 PB of the whole bunch. And he ran two O 433 in Dubai in 2084 02:03:28,760 --> 02:03:33,080 2016 if I remember correctly. Dubai 26, 2016. 2085 02:03:33,080 --> 02:03:37,760 That race must have been in January or February. 2086 02:03:38,120 --> 02:03:42,960 So that means pre super shoes. That's the only one, I think of 2087 02:03:42,960 --> 02:03:45,680 the bunch that is pre super shoes because the Super shoes 2088 02:03:45,680 --> 02:03:50,160 didn't roll out until February 2016 at the US Marathon Trials. 2089 02:03:51,000 --> 02:03:55,040 So let me Burhanu, kudos to you, man for running that fast before 2090 02:03:55,040 --> 02:03:58,000 that. But no, my top American pick is 2091 02:03:58,760 --> 02:04:05,800 not going to be Galen Rob. Part of me wants to stick with 2092 02:04:05,800 --> 02:04:08,880 Clayton Young because you took Alex Mayer, and I think I was 2093 02:04:08,880 --> 02:04:10,920 leaning that way, too. I want to be different. 2094 02:04:16,480 --> 02:04:19,720 Wesley. Wesley Kipsey, Probably the 2095 02:04:19,760 --> 02:04:20,600 other one. Who's? 2096 02:04:20,600 --> 02:04:23,040 No, I'm going Charles Hicks. Charles Hicks is going to be top 2097 02:04:23,040 --> 02:04:26,960 American. Something might be up with his 2098 02:04:27,240 --> 02:04:31,400 heart rate monitor, but if you look at his Strava, his workouts 2099 02:04:31,400 --> 02:04:35,040 have been crazy impressive and his heart rate is at like 110 2100 02:04:35,640 --> 02:04:38,000 for these crazy hard efforts on these long runs. 2101 02:04:39,120 --> 02:04:45,760 No, I think I'm I'm excited by the fact that Charles Hicks is 2102 02:04:46,400 --> 02:04:49,480 dabbling and throwing himself head on head first into the 2103 02:04:49,480 --> 02:04:52,640 marathon at at this age. What is he 24 or something like 2104 02:04:52,640 --> 02:04:58,720 that? Which is is a push that I think 2105 02:04:58,720 --> 02:05:00,200 we're a lot of people are hoping for. 2106 02:05:00,200 --> 02:05:03,080 It's like don't when you look at just sort of the state of the 2107 02:05:03,080 --> 02:05:07,800 10K and you see that it's log jam to try and make a team 2108 02:05:07,800 --> 02:05:09,640 there. Move to the marathon, give it a 2109 02:05:09,640 --> 02:05:10,800 shot. Plus there's money. 2110 02:05:10,800 --> 02:05:13,480 There's more money there. You probably make more money 2111 02:05:13,680 --> 02:05:19,880 being a solid 210 marathoner than just being a 10K specialist 2112 02:05:19,880 --> 02:05:26,040 and finishing 6th and 7th at the US Track Championships. 2113 02:05:26,920 --> 02:05:28,240 Yeah, and I don't think he would have. 2114 02:05:28,560 --> 02:05:33,400 I think his change of nationality to represent the US 2115 02:05:33,720 --> 02:05:34,640 is official. Right. 2116 02:05:35,600 --> 02:05:39,080 Yeah, I think so. I mean, but he's I don't know 2117 02:05:39,080 --> 02:05:41,520 when he can actually represent sort of on an Internet as an 2118 02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:44,480 international champs. But but I think the point is 2119 02:05:44,760 --> 02:05:48,080 that if he wanted to make world championship teams in the 10K. 2120 02:05:48,080 --> 02:05:50,680 State of Brit. State of Brit, right, But he 2121 02:05:50,680 --> 02:05:53,680 changed to the US because then you get better appearance fees 2122 02:05:53,680 --> 02:05:57,440 at the US majors, right? So I suspect that's all kind of 2123 02:05:57,480 --> 02:06:01,880 a deliberate kind of choice, right that he has made to go 2124 02:06:01,880 --> 02:06:04,240 down this particular route for his career. 2125 02:06:04,240 --> 02:06:07,720 And yeah, credit to him. He's his first, first effort in 2126 02:06:07,720 --> 02:06:10,960 New York was very impressive. So I think yeah, definitely 2127 02:06:10,960 --> 02:06:15,080 we'll we'll see more out of him. I think Wesley Kip to is one of 2128 02:06:15,080 --> 02:06:18,360 those guys who. He's going to pop a big one. 2129 02:06:18,640 --> 02:06:21,000 Exactly. Yeah, he's one day like his. 2130 02:06:21,000 --> 02:06:24,400 His tactics are a little bit suspect at times, but if he gets 2131 02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:27,400 it right, I think yeah, he could definitely pop a big one. 2132 02:06:28,080 --> 02:06:33,480 He's training with Alex Masai, who's rent 204 and like he just 2133 02:06:33,480 --> 02:06:39,080 may have not had the same day that Alex did in Chicago. 2134 02:06:39,400 --> 02:06:42,080 But if those two guys are step for step working out together 2135 02:06:42,080 --> 02:06:46,720 and then it's in there. So we could see just sort of 2136 02:06:46,720 --> 02:06:50,640 like a a statement performance by him as well. 2137 02:06:53,680 --> 02:06:59,880 Yeah, think about that. Just sort of our US picture 2138 02:06:59,880 --> 02:07:04,760 could be Zuhair Talbi, Charles Hicks, Wesley Kip 2. 2139 02:07:05,480 --> 02:07:08,640 Like if like if that is sort of like your Olympic marathon team 2140 02:07:08,640 --> 02:07:11,760 in 2028 all have, you know, represented a different country 2141 02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:18,960 at some point in America. Yeah. 2142 02:07:18,960 --> 02:07:21,680 All right. So other sort of people we want 2143 02:07:21,680 --> 02:07:23,640 to highlight from this one. Were we? 2144 02:07:23,640 --> 02:07:26,840 Linkletter 2O6. He's been up there. 2145 02:07:28,080 --> 02:07:31,280 Yeah. And, And I think, yeah, him and 2146 02:07:31,280 --> 02:07:34,880 Pat Tin and I guess I think with the with those Puma shoes, we, 2147 02:07:34,880 --> 02:07:38,120 we're kind of thinking can they do the, you know, they've, 2148 02:07:38,200 --> 02:07:41,040 they've obviously been talking about that and how, what? 2149 02:07:41,040 --> 02:07:43,880 Turned in, wore them last year and he didn't have a great day 2150 02:07:43,920 --> 02:07:47,480 in Boston. His feet were kind of torn up as 2151 02:07:47,480 --> 02:07:51,360 a result of it. But you know, maybe he's now 2152 02:07:51,640 --> 02:07:54,720 managed to get used to them. I want to see something good out 2153 02:07:54,720 --> 02:07:58,760 of Ryan Ford when he ran two O 8 on this course last year. 2154 02:07:59,000 --> 02:08:02,480 Pretty good showing and I think overlooked considering how 2155 02:08:02,920 --> 02:08:05,600 overlooked by the number of Americans who have finished 2156 02:08:05,600 --> 02:08:11,440 ahead of him. So the OAC crew, Ford and Joe 2157 02:08:11,440 --> 02:08:16,320 Clecker could also be some surprises here. 2158 02:08:18,600 --> 02:08:20,240 Yeah. I mean, Klecker's one of those 2159 02:08:20,240 --> 02:08:23,440 guys where there's a lot of hype going into his half marathon 2160 02:08:23,440 --> 02:08:25,560 debut that didn't pan out. Then he struggled on the roads, 2161 02:08:25,640 --> 02:08:29,120 then has a solid marathon debut at 2:10. 2162 02:08:30,240 --> 02:08:33,280 And who knows, like, what that jump is from the first to the 2163 02:08:33,280 --> 02:08:35,880 second one. We've seen Alex Mayer make that 2164 02:08:36,200 --> 02:08:39,320 Joe Klecker super talented on the track. 2165 02:08:39,320 --> 02:08:41,240 Like, I don't think that goes away. 2166 02:08:41,680 --> 02:08:45,400 So hopefully we start to see some of that this time around. 2167 02:08:47,600 --> 02:08:49,600 I wanted to give a shout out to someone who I forgot to talk 2168 02:08:49,600 --> 02:08:52,120 about when we're talking about serious threats for the win. 2169 02:08:52,720 --> 02:08:56,840 Nicholas Kip career in his debut and the reason why I talk about 2170 02:08:56,840 --> 02:09:01,680 him so he was fourth in the 5000 meters at the Tokyo Olympics. 2171 02:09:02,000 --> 02:09:08,480 But more recently he was second to Jacob Kiplimo in Lisbon at 2172 02:09:08,480 --> 02:09:11,720 the half marathon where Jacob Kaplimo set his half marathon 2173 02:09:11,720 --> 02:09:16,640 world record and Nicholas Kip career ran 5808. 2174 02:09:16,640 --> 02:09:18,840 So he was 48 seconds behind Kaplimo. 2175 02:09:19,120 --> 02:09:23,360 But running 58 low in the half marathon is still no joke. 2176 02:09:23,920 --> 02:09:26,680 It's pretty impressive and I think he ran another 59 minute 2177 02:09:26,960 --> 02:09:28,840 half marathon a few weeks earlier. 2178 02:09:30,600 --> 02:09:35,720 So I think he's someone to look out for because if he has a good 2179 02:09:35,720 --> 02:09:39,240 debut, then yeah, that that potentially is someone with a, 2180 02:09:39,240 --> 02:09:42,360 with a lot of talent, a lot of track pedigree, multiple top 2181 02:09:42,360 --> 02:09:45,520 eights at global championships in on the track. 2182 02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:47,720 And yeah, he's he's someone with a lot of pedigree. 2183 02:09:47,720 --> 02:09:50,000 So potentially someone to look out for. 2184 02:09:51,200 --> 02:09:54,120 I misspoke earlier when I called Charles Hicks a 210 guy. 2185 02:09:54,280 --> 02:10:00,200 He's a 2O9 guy because he ran two O 959 and as a marathoner, 2186 02:10:00,960 --> 02:10:06,760 I'll tell you if you run even 59, you, you take with the with 2187 02:10:06,760 --> 02:10:09,640 the, the, the, the lower minute count. 2188 02:10:09,640 --> 02:10:13,000 So you could be that's and it sucks when you're on the other 2189 02:10:13,000 --> 02:10:17,800 end of things like say you were a 2O9O2 guy. 2190 02:10:18,120 --> 02:10:21,280 You can't say you're a 2O8 guy even though you you might think 2191 02:10:21,280 --> 02:10:23,560 now what we your tip time says one thing. 2192 02:10:24,160 --> 02:10:27,920 We've got Murphy Smith in this field, whose PB is 21159 and 2193 02:10:27,920 --> 02:10:32,200 we've got Charlie Sweeney of the USA whose PB is 2. 20 They agree 2194 02:10:32,200 --> 02:10:35,240 with me then. I'm sure they absolutely agree 2195 02:10:35,240 --> 02:10:40,920 with you. Your boy said. 2196 02:10:42,240 --> 02:10:44,280 Sarod battasheer. Oh, Mungo. 2197 02:10:44,320 --> 02:10:46,760 Said on Battasheer. He's on this too. 2198 02:10:46,920 --> 02:10:51,800 You want to refresh people who he is Mongolia. 2199 02:10:52,080 --> 02:10:57,000 Yes, he has been at every single Olympics for the last. 2200 02:10:57,280 --> 02:11:02,560 And World Championships. And World Championships for I 2201 02:11:02,560 --> 02:11:06,960 don't know how long, but he's been he's been at it for he's 44 2202 02:11:06,960 --> 02:11:09,480 years old. He's from Mongolia. 2203 02:11:10,040 --> 02:11:12,760 Yeah, I've got an interview up with him from from Tokyo. 2204 02:11:12,760 --> 02:11:21,240 But he his results, let's see, he's going back to 2002, 2002 2205 02:11:21,920 --> 02:11:23,520 this. This is a dude who remembers 2206 02:11:23,520 --> 02:11:25,600 what the marathon World Cup probably was. 2207 02:11:26,080 --> 02:11:29,000 Yes, so he was. His first World Championships 2208 02:11:29,000 --> 02:11:35,600 marathon was in 2003. And then, yeah, he, I think he 2209 02:11:35,600 --> 02:11:38,320 was, yeah. And then he's been at all the 2210 02:11:38,320 --> 02:11:40,400 world championship marathons ever since. 2211 02:11:41,040 --> 02:11:43,400 And he's been, and of course he was then. 2212 02:11:44,760 --> 02:11:49,360 Yeah. So he's, yeah, clearly had had a 2213 02:11:49,360 --> 02:11:51,800 lot of and I think he was, yeah. Was he at? 2214 02:11:51,920 --> 02:11:55,200 Yes, he was at Olympics. He was at the Olympics in 2004 2215 02:11:55,600 --> 02:11:58,560 and he was also at the Olympics in 20/24/20 years later. 2216 02:11:59,040 --> 02:12:02,600 OK, so we're hoping that this guy makes it to the 2030 World 2217 02:12:02,600 --> 02:12:06,120 Marathon Championships because he would be probably the only 2218 02:12:06,120 --> 02:12:10,400 guy in the field who raced in Athens in 2000. 2219 02:12:10,680 --> 02:12:12,240 And four, that would be pretty cool. 2220 02:12:13,040 --> 02:12:14,200 How old is he? Would he be? 2221 02:12:14,800 --> 02:12:18,280 He's 44 now, so he'd only be, what, 20? 2222 02:12:18,800 --> 02:12:20,800 Yeah, he'd only be 48. I guess so. 2223 02:12:21,960 --> 02:12:24,080 Not bad. Super Shoes changed the game. 2224 02:12:24,840 --> 02:12:28,000 They've extended everyone's life in the sport. 2225 02:12:29,720 --> 02:12:35,480 All right, well, I think that does it for our Boston Marathon 2226 02:12:36,000 --> 02:12:42,120 preview, the Citius Mag team. Once again, just a refresher on 2227 02:12:42,120 --> 02:12:43,640 what we've got going on this weekend. 2228 02:12:43,720 --> 02:12:47,480 If you're in town on Friday, we've got Off the Rails live at 2229 02:12:47,480 --> 02:12:50,400 Dillon's on Boylston St. presented by Under Armour. 2230 02:12:50,720 --> 02:12:53,880 Fun time that's going to be had there Saturday. 2231 02:12:54,200 --> 02:12:58,560 Group run 8:00 AM with Brooks, 400 Newbury Street. 2232 02:12:59,840 --> 02:13:01,280 That will. There'll be giveaways, there'll 2233 02:13:01,280 --> 02:13:04,880 be food, there'll be pros. That'll be a blast in the 2234 02:13:04,880 --> 02:13:07,400 afternoon if you get in late into Boston. 2235 02:13:07,400 --> 02:13:12,160 We will be at the track at New Balance starting at 3:00 for the 2236 02:13:12,160 --> 02:13:15,040 New Balance Indoor marathon relay. 2237 02:13:15,040 --> 02:13:18,240 We've got a big squad. We finished fourth last year. 2238 02:13:18,720 --> 02:13:20,800 My goal might be to podium this year. 2239 02:13:21,320 --> 02:13:25,560 We've got Christian Noble running lead off for us and 2240 02:13:25,560 --> 02:13:29,640 he'll also be our anchor, so hoping to build a little bit of 2241 02:13:29,640 --> 02:13:32,400 a lead there. Mark Coogan coming back to run 2242 02:13:32,400 --> 02:13:38,160 again, convince coach to do so. Eric, Ayesha, Mack, all the 2243 02:13:38,160 --> 02:13:41,280 city's personalities will also be participating in that. 2244 02:13:41,840 --> 02:13:43,720 We'll just be around on Sunday once again. 2245 02:13:43,720 --> 02:13:46,920 Just if you see us at any point during marathon weekend, feel 2246 02:13:46,920 --> 02:13:52,640 free to say, hey, we don't bite. And then on Marathon Monday, 2247 02:13:52,840 --> 02:13:55,800 streaming Live City's Meg YouTube channel starting at 9:00 2248 02:13:55,800 --> 02:14:01,440 AM, giving all of our reactions and commentary on the pro races 2249 02:14:01,440 --> 02:14:05,280 taking place in Boston. So super excited for that. 2250 02:14:05,760 --> 02:14:08,880 And yeah, it's it's one of my favorite weekends of the whole 2251 02:14:08,880 --> 02:14:10,760 entire year and I'm excited for it. 2252 02:14:10,760 --> 02:14:14,400 So thanks everyone for listening to yet another episode of this 2253 02:14:14,400 --> 02:14:16,520 week in Track and Field on the City Smack podcast. 2254 02:14:16,520 --> 02:14:21,160 On behalf of Preet Majithia Ivan Chavez, We'll see you next week 2255 02:14:21,160 --> 02:14:25,840 because I love. Alright, that's a wrap on 2256 02:14:25,840 --> 02:14:28,120 today's episode. 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