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Check it all out at 42 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:16,480 xendurance.com. Code Sidious for 25% off your 43 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,280 first order. What's up everyone? 44 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,440 You are listening to the CDs Magic Podcast. 45 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,120 I'm your host Chris Chavez, and every week we go beyond the 46 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:27,760 results to bring you conversations with the biggest 47 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,200 names on the track, the roads, and behind the scenes. 48 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:33,440 From world class athletes and coaches to innovators shaping 49 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,600 the sport. 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We also love shouting out 65 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:18,280 listeners who take the time to leave those reviews. 66 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,960 So here's one that made me smile. 67 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,560 Chris Chavez practices what he preaches. 68 00:03:23,640 --> 00:03:25,240 I've been a listener for a while now. 69 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,880 Enjoy nerding out while I hear Chris and pre breakdown race 70 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:30,080 performances and speculate on future ones. 71 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,400 Love the data-driven estimates, but also the intuition. 72 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,920 Of the host. Imagine my surprise while I was 73 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,720 doing my long run on the Central Park Loop and I look up and I 74 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,520 see Chris running toward me while his voice was in my ear. 75 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,040 That one was from Sarah, Alaska. OK, first of all, that was in 76 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:50,720 fact, me. Despite what my Strava has shown 77 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,000 lately, I can't confirm. I have been leaving the 78 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,720 apartment and actually getting out for runs a little less 79 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:58,200 lately since I've been dealing with some injuries and it's been 80 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:02,920 brutally cold here in New York. But seriously, that review made 81 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,600 my day. There's something wild about 82 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:07,120 thinking that the timing of everything lining up, that my 83 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,880 voice might be in someone's headphones while they're 84 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,520 unknowingly sharing miles in the same park as me. 85 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:15,520 Thanks for listening, Sarah. Thanks for nerding out with us. 86 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,240 Really appreciate you. To everyone else listening, 87 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,040 thank you. And if you feel the same way, 88 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,680 taking a minute to leave a five star review on Apple Podcast is 89 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:25,080 the best way to support the show. 90 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,360 We read every single one and they genuinely mean a lot to us. 91 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:33,800 My guest for today's episode is Amanda Vestry, and this is a 92 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,680 really exciting moment in her career because we're catching 93 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:39,400 her right at the beginning of what looks like a very promising 94 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,320 transition to the marathon. We previously had her on the 95 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,560 podcast after she was taken to the half marathon, so we've got 96 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,760 a good amount to catch up on. Last fall, she made her debut at 97 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:51,760 the New York City Marathon and ran 225 for 9th place. 98 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,200 A performance set on paper was impressive, but when you 99 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,880 understand the full context of it, it becomes even more so. 100 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:02,160 She tells us that she went into that race a little undercooked, 101 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,080 dealing with some lingering injuries, and still found a way 102 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,920 to grind through the final miles and come away with a result that 103 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:11,520 showed that she belongs in this event and at this level now 104 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,240 ahead of Boston. She's healthy, she's stronger, 105 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,000 and she's training with a new level of intention under Coach 106 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,880 David Roche. So you'll get some specifics on 107 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,400 the training and coaching switch. 108 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,800 We're talking about 200 plus grams of carbs on long runs, 109 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,360 dialing in recovery, and learning how to actually finish 110 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,960 workouts feeling strong. Instead of just surviving. 111 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,840 There has also been a shift in her environment by moving from 112 00:05:34,840 --> 00:05:38,400 North Carolina to Florida to be closer to family, leaning on 113 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,000 that support system and building a routine that allows her to 114 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,040 handle the demands of marathon training while still enjoying 115 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,840 the process. And that's really the theme of 116 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:49,760 this interview. I think Amanda, someone who has 117 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,520 raced with a lot of heart, maybe even a little too much at times, 118 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,520 is what she says. But now she's learning how to 119 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,560 pair that with patience, discipline, and a longer term 120 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,040 view of what her marathon career could become. 121 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,680 In this episode, we talk about that New York debut, what has 122 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,840 changed in this build up, the role of fueling and recovery, 123 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,560 and what success looks like heading into Boston where her 124 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,920 goal isn't necessarily a time, but to compete and to race 125 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,200 smarter. This is the next in a series of 126 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,400 interviews that we're doing with Brooks marathoners in the lead 127 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,840 up to the Boston Marathon. Stay tuned as we announce our 128 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:25,320 schedule of events with Brooks out of the Hyperion house. 129 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,040 We'll have a shake out run on Saturday morning at 8. 130 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:32,280 AMA live chat with Jess Mcclane to follow and more, but without 131 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:34,400 further ado, here is Amanda Vestry. 132 00:06:46,440 --> 00:06:49,360 All right, well now I welcome back Amanda Vestry to the City 133 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,200 of Smack podcast, and I guess it's the first time I get to 134 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,640 introduce you as marathoner because you knocked that out of 135 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,440 the park last November at the New York City Marathon. 136 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,960 So how'd it feel to finally add that title to your resume? 137 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:07,600 It was really cool to just add that to the to the resume, and I 138 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,760 was super nervous for that one because we definitely went into 139 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,920 that race a little bit undercooked. 140 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:15,840 I think, 'cause it was the first marathon build, we wanted to be 141 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,240 careful. But yeah, I was just happy to 142 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,840 finish. I was like, man, I don't like 26 143 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,120 miles is a long way. I didn't really touch it that 144 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:25,800 often in training, like anywhere close to the distance. 145 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:29,320 So now that I have that one under my belt and it was on a, 146 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:33,240 you know, fairly tough course, I'm super excited about how the 147 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,080 Bills been going for Boston and definitely excited to get back 148 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,920 on another grindy type of course for my second one. 149 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,080 Yeah. So 225 for 9th place, the way 150 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,240 that whole race unfolded, like we did have sort of like that 151 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:51,080 lead pack of women that included Helen, Sharon, Sifan Hassan. 152 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,680 And so once they kind of like broke away before I think like 153 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:58,240 the Queensboro Bridge. Like, how did the rest of your 154 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,280 race unfold with what we didn't see like on TV? 155 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,000 Yeah, I mean, there was a lot of running alone or running just 156 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,920 behind Emily Sisson and just kind of like keying off of some 157 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,720 of the Americans that were just up ahead. 158 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:15,200 And I think for a majority of the race, Fiona was pretty far 159 00:08:15,200 --> 00:08:17,080 ahead. I don't think I saw her after, 160 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:22,640 after whatever mile that was, maybe like 14 or something, or 161 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,440 15. She was having a really good day 162 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:28,560 and then Annie kind of like went out of my sight and then it was 163 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,600 really just like Emily, Emily and I were running together for 164 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,840 a good bit and I was hurting really bad with like probably 6 165 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,559 miles to go, 6 or 7 miles. I was like, oh boy, I don't know 166 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,919 about this, but it was cool to be running with her. 167 00:08:42,919 --> 00:08:44,800 And just like, having someone there, I think is really 168 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:48,280 helpful, especially because when you're not, like, most of the 169 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,600 way, you're with a crowd. But when it does get a little 170 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,960 bit quiet, you're like, oh, man, where'd the crowd go? 171 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:57,880 So yeah, it was a good way to, I think, open up the my eyes a 172 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,680 little bit to how hard the marathon is. 173 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,480 And yeah, I think I'd rather do like a race like that than have 174 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,320 it go really perfectly and feel amazing the whole time because I 175 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,800 certainly did not feel amazing the whole race. 176 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:15,080 And I'm glad I know like, what to expect out in Boston so. 177 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:16,800 Yeah. What do you feel you're most 178 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,200 proud of? Is it just digging as deep as 179 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:22,760 you did in those final 6 miles? Yeah, I think probably most 180 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:28,800 proud of just the fact that I ran that time on that course 181 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,800 with the kind of build up that I had. 182 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,400 I was kind of dealing with some little injuries the whole build 183 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,160 that were not resolved from the prior summer. 184 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,480 And I was just like everyday I was like, man, I hope this holds 185 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,720 out, hope this holds out. And so just knowing how much I 186 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,320 went through with these little injuries that were obviously 187 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,440 under the radar, no one wants to talk about that before a 188 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,960 marathon and like being able to pull that out and just cross the 189 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:55,680 finish line. I was very proud of like the 190 00:09:55,680 --> 00:10:00,120 grit that I showed and just feeling like so much more 191 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:04,200 excited for Boston now because I'm actually, you know, 100% 192 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:06,880 healthy and feeling good. And the mileage is good on me 193 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,880 and the long runs are getting longer. 194 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,480 So it's just a definitely a different feeling this time 195 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,560 around. Like, I know it's still going to 196 00:10:13,560 --> 00:10:15,920 be very, very hard, but I've just been enjoying the training 197 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,360 a little bit more. I think so. 198 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,080 The big change was obviously a coaching switch working with 199 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,720 David Roche. What has been the biggest or 200 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,480 most noticeable difference when you look at just sort of like 201 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,400 your training leading up to New York to now this build? 202 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,360 I think one of the biggest changes has just been the long 203 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,320 runs themselves have gotten a lot longer. 204 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:42,120 Like I did 25 miles last week and that's, you know, we're not 205 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:44,000 tapering for a long run like that. 206 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,720 We're doing that on tired legs and being able to run that 207 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:52,800 distance over hills is, you know, confidence booster because 208 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,400 it's close to 26 miles and just feeling good doing it. 209 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:00,400 And he gives me a lot of long runs that like I did 1 210 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:02,840 yesterday. There's a little bit shorter 22 211 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:09,440 miles, but you know, running 4 miles at an average of I think I 212 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,720 did 4321 with like one mile easy in between, which is a standard 213 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,200 marathon workout, but averaging 518 for the whole thing and just 214 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:23,600 feeling like really comfortable at 525 pace, which is not normal 215 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,720 for me. In my last build, like my last 216 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:31,240 build, it was like, man, I was feeling like struggling AT535540 217 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,440 pace and some of those workouts. So I think just adapting to the 218 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:38,040 fatigue and training and being able to come back and still have 219 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:40,760 a good long run has been something that doesn't come 220 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,240 naturally, naturally to me. But we've been working on it 221 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,960 quite a bit. And then the second thing is 222 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,320 just like keeping the speed in my legs and doing, you know, 223 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:53,360 shorter things like mile repeats, you know, faster paces 224 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:55,240 than you're going to be running in the marathon. 225 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,600 And just trying to keep all those like systems still going 226 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:01,800 even when we're, you know, piling on big mileage. 227 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,400 The other thing with him too is just the fueling, which like I 228 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,680 huge saw from your Instagram story, I guess after one of 229 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:12,760 these big sessions, it was just sort of like you outlined just 230 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,800 all the different things that you were like consuming. 231 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,360 I was like, I'd be so full. How did you take to that? 232 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,240 It's so it is. It's like it was just talking to 233 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,000 my dad about this yesterday. It's like I don't want to eat 234 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,840 anything after, but I forced myself to because I know I have 235 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:29,560 to. But it's for someone my size 236 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:33,760 especially like I'll do, I do 35 grams of carbs every 20 minutes 237 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,400 on those long runs. So if I'm running for 2 1/2 238 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:40,240 hours, it's like well over 200. And I think it's like the last 239 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,120 long run I did was like 220 or something. 240 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:45,160 And yeah, it's just like, it's crazy. 241 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,360 And I'm like, God, I hope this doesn't have any negative health 242 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,320 effects. But yeah, I try to just limit it 243 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,400 to like I do it on my long run days and then I fuel the like 244 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:56,960 harder workout days. But I'm not doing that obviously 245 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:01,120 for like an easy 7580 minute run or any double S or anything. 246 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,320 So I think I'm OK there. But yeah, it's been that's been 247 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,160 a game changer for me to actually be able to finish these 248 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,440 long runs and still feel like my muscles are intact. 249 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,560 Because before I'd be like, man, I feel like my hamstrings about 250 00:13:14,560 --> 00:13:18,760 to RIP off right now. So it's definitely a big change 251 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,800 and I think it's definitely helped just like energy levels 252 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,120 overall. And like today I'm recovered 253 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,120 fully. Like I feel great, you know? 254 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,160 So I don't know, I think there's something to it. 255 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,960 And then obviously, like everyone knows Jess, like Jess 256 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,680 is a freaking beast and like she takes high carb and things like 257 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:37,800 that. So yeah, I think it works, yeah. 258 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,920 What does that equate to? Just sort of a number of gels 259 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,640 you have to carry or guess like take me through your like. 260 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,720 Because you don't. Have table service at you know, 261 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:51,480 during these 2422 mile long runs that you have to do, you have to 262 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:54,320 essentially carry it or stash them in bushes. 263 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:56,080 Like how's? How's that look for you? 264 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,120 No, here's The thing is I do have table service. 265 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:03,400 So my dad, he bite He'll he like last week. 266 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,680 He bikes me almost every day. He's he's like suddenly retired 267 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:08,600 and stuff. So he has the time and he loves 268 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:09,960 it. That's one of the reasons I was 269 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,520 able to like train here is because I have a lot of support 270 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,160 and like I was telling you earlier, like my brother's into 271 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,040 it and everything. So my dad will bike with me on 272 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:22,760 my 2025 mile long runs and give me my bottles and I take more in 273 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,520 320. So I just like the night before, 274 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,640 like a little scientist. I weigh out, you know, 35 to 40 275 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,800 grams in every bottle and then, you know, cool them overnight 276 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,760 and then put them in a little like lunch bag thing. 277 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:40,280 And then, yeah, I just take them like that and it's super easy. 278 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:44,280 I would definitely have to take gels if I didn't have my dad 279 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:47,440 helping me out, but I like gels too. 280 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:50,280 But I've just found my stomach responds super well to the 281 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,080 Morton drink mixes. And also being in Florida as 282 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,520 well, it is like really important to stay hydrated 283 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,240 throughout these long runs. And I think if I was just doing 284 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,880 gels, I would probably have some negative consequences from that, 285 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,840 so. I was just wondering because I 286 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,560 was like, oh, you don't know what it feels like to carry, you 287 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:11,840 know, 8 different gels on in the back of your shorts and just 288 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,680 trying to find the different places to stuff them. 289 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,880 But I'm sure like Brooks, innovation is also come a long 290 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:20,160 way to try and find extra pockets for you guys like to be 291 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,880 able to carry all of that. So, yeah. 292 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,640 All right. So the other note relocating to 293 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,040 to Florida, like yeah, what went into that decision? 294 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:34,120 Just like my family's down here now, or like the my nuclear 295 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,280 family, I guess you could call it. 296 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,440 Like I still have relatives in New York and everything, which 297 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:40,920 is where I'm from, but it just made the most sense right now 298 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:45,120 for me to be close by. And I have support here. 299 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,640 And I think that's the biggest thing for my performance is 300 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,000 like, I don't really have support anywhere. 301 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,920 Cuz like Brooks, like as everyone knows, it's like we all 302 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,000 train in our own locations. We're not on like a certain 303 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:59,360 team. Like Jess trains in Phoenix, you 304 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:02,280 know, Susanna trains separately, Erica trains separately, Alfie 305 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,000 train separately. So it didn't really make sense 306 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:07,760 for me to move somewhere where I don't know anyone and like have 307 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:11,240 to do all this by myself and not have like an in person coach or 308 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:13,840 anything. Because then it does make things 309 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,480 like these long runs really difficult. 310 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:18,880 And a lot of that went into the decision of like, am I going to 311 00:16:18,880 --> 00:16:22,480 be able to have people to help me in this process and in these 312 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,400 builds or am I going to be on my own? 313 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:29,080 And unless I joined a team, which I know none of for Brooks, 314 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,960 like, I don't know, like a marathon Brooks team, it would 315 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,720 have been very difficult for me to like be anywhere else really. 316 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,440 But also I just really like it down here. 317 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:42,360 And I think it, I respond quite well to heat training. 318 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,920 I've had some of my best races off of training in Florida. 319 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,920 Like I debuted in the half in Orlando and I was training in 320 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,040 Florida for those months leading up to it. 321 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,800 I trained in Florida for a lot of my biggest, best races. 322 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,680 So yeah, I think it just kind of like works well for me. 323 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:02,920 And yeah, I, I think like in the summer it'll be different. 324 00:17:02,920 --> 00:17:06,960 Like I'll probably go up to altitude or somewhere out in 325 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,040 Europe or something like that. But I just have like a nice 326 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:12,680 flexibility right now. And I've been enjoying the 327 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,480 marathon built here a lot, especially during these months. 328 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,520 Like it's still kind of a little bit cold. 329 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:20,800 Like it's only like 75 when I'm running, so it's not that bad. 330 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,359 But when it gets into like the 90s, I think it'll be, I'll be 331 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:26,000 like, all right, I'm, I'm heading out. 332 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:30,360 So yeah. So what are the lasting memories 333 00:17:30,360 --> 00:17:34,200 that you have, I guess of ZAP? Because that chapter, you know, 334 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:38,200 closed couple months ago and it's the team that, you know, 335 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,600 took a shot on you, I think coming out of college. 336 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:44,160 So, you know, how do you remember sort of like, you know, 337 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:45,880 these last couple years with them? 338 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,400 ZAP was amazing. They, like you said, they were 339 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:53,240 basically the only team willing to take a shot at like, on me, I 340 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:54,920 guess, or like take a chance on me. 341 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:59,560 And I think at the time as well, like they were trying to get, 342 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:01,680 you know, really good individuals on board. 343 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:05,680 And I was not like, an NCAA champ coming out of college or 344 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:10,040 anything. And I think Pete was looking for 345 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:13,760 someone who had room to improve. And I think he saw that in me. 346 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,640 And yeah, I think he just took me to the next level pretty 347 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:21,520 quickly. And the reason I like have so 348 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,880 much respect for it too, is because it was in a healthy way. 349 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,800 It wasn't like, oh, we're just going to bump you up to 120 350 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,120 miles a week and like give you really hard workouts. 351 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:34,360 It was very like progressively like increasing, which I 352 00:18:34,360 --> 00:18:36,880 appreciate because he's looking out for my long term health as 353 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,160 well. And yeah, it's just a good 354 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,200 environment for me, really not much to do that other than train 355 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:47,120 and sleep, you know, So I definitely owe a lot of that, 356 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,600 you know, success to them and the work that they were doing 357 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:53,840 there for us and just kind of like trying to take athletes who 358 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,960 are kind of at that sub elite level and taking them to the 359 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,800 next level. And yeah, they've had a lot of 360 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,240 success. I mean, Ryan Ford is another one 361 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:03,520 who's kind of similar to me. Like he ended up getting a 362 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:09,400 contract with on from ZAP. So yeah, I think us 2 are like 363 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,640 especially appreciative for like, basically, you know, 364 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,000 changing our career trajectories a little bit. 365 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:15,880 So. Yeah. 366 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:20,600 If you go back to like 2024 and you started to think of what 367 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,440 this next sort of like Olympic cycle looked for, you were those 368 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,160 early discussions, I guess at the time with Pete centered on 369 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:31,320 making this jump to the marathon so, so soon? 370 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,080 Because I think about it sort of the last time we chatted was 371 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:38,400 like fresh off of Orlando and Houston, and then suddenly 372 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,360 within a couple months later, it's like you've already run 373 00:19:40,360 --> 00:19:42,960 your first marathon. So you had like your half and 374 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:45,280 marathon debut all within like the same calendar year? 375 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:46,840 Yeah, I did. Yeah. 376 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,800 No, we the plan was not to really go to the half or the 377 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:57,040 full this early. The half was kind of born out of 378 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:02,680 the couple of races that I'd had in the 10K, like I'd I'd shown 379 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:06,000 some good. Improvements over 10 Ki think 380 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,120 around like 3110 or something. And it was just kind of like, 381 00:20:10,120 --> 00:20:11,600 all right, well, let's try Valencia. 382 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,040 And then, you know, when I got a little bit dinged up before 383 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:19,400 that, we transitioned to doing Orlando instead. 384 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,160 But Zika, who's Pete's wife, she was the one who was like, I 385 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:24,760 really think you should run a marathon. 386 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:27,520 Like, and I think Pete was the one who was like, all right, 387 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,360 Zika let's, you know, let's slow down a little bit. 388 00:20:30,360 --> 00:20:33,360 But she was the one who kind of got it in my head like, oh, you 389 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:34,920 know what? Maybe I should run marathon 390 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:39,200 sooner rather than later, and looking back on it now, I don't 391 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:42,040 think the time frame would have worked out to run something 392 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,920 before the Olympic trials. But Dang, I wish I would have 393 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:47,680 just done it a year earlier or something because I would have 394 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,800 loved to have been a part of that race, especially in 395 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,520 Orlando. I wish it was in Orlando in 28. 396 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:58,440 But yeah, so yeah, no, it's never the plan, but it just kind 397 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,760 of fell into place. 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Jess, you know, just ran the 10 441 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,200 and I guess like for you and your own sort of like last year 442 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:25,320 you ran the 10K at the US Championships. 443 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,680 Like how much do you still want to maintain a bit of that, you 444 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,560 know, I guess like track focus from time to time. 445 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,560 Yeah, the track and I have a interesting relationship. 446 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,640 I mean like what I how I see it is my last good track race was 447 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,720 probably like in the 10K was that night of PBS in London. 448 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,440 That was a great race. That was in 2024. 449 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,120 Unfortunately, I just never pulled it together in any of the 450 00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:51,880 championship style 10 KS. So I just have a little bit of 451 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,800 like a bitter taste in my mouth from those. 452 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,760 I feel like maybe under David's coaching, actually, I could pull 453 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,760 out like a little bit of a better 10K in a tactical race 454 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,280 now because I'm more like a little bit more speed focused 455 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,880 even in marathon training, kind of how like Jess is like she can 456 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:12,120 always, you know, finish a little bit faster in those races 457 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:14,560 than like a lot of marathon girls would be able to. 458 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,640 But in terms of like track focus, I don't have a huge track 459 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,280 focus right now. I'm pretty much like all in on 460 00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:24,040 the marathon and things like that. 461 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:26,640 But would I love to PR in the 10K on the track? 462 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,040 Yes. But it would have to be like 463 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,360 we'd focus a season on that because I don't think I could go 464 00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:36,520 out and RIP like a 3040 just off of, you know, aerobic marathon 465 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:38,560 training. So yeah. 466 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,240 Yeah. Also this isn't really the year 467 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:43,520 for it. Like there's no big sort of like 468 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,520 purpose for the 10K in 2026, so. It has like the 10K is dying a 469 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,760 little bit like what's going on? I know. 470 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,880 And but The thing is, it's like then everyone will end up being 471 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,480 a year from now, I guess, like crazy stressed out over whatever 472 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,160 goal posts they move the standard to and all that kind of 473 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,680 stuff. And I just remember like you 474 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:05,000 were always just sort of like on the cusp of math mathing in the 475 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,080 right way. And for you, the 10K has, has 476 00:25:08,120 --> 00:25:10,840 always been fascinating because you've always been a contender 477 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,520 in it. But at least, like, it's cool to 478 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,560 hear that the door is not entirely shut. 479 00:25:16,120 --> 00:25:19,960 Do you feel like more people, like, you're 26, like, should be 480 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,360 getting into the marathon sooner rather than later? 481 00:25:22,360 --> 00:25:24,760 Like, on the men's side, these guys talk about it all the time 482 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,840 of how, like, Connor Mance made the transition at the right 483 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,280 time. And even Grant Fisher was like, 484 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,040 I don't want to wait till I'm, like, washed up off the track 485 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,400 to, you know, finally give this a good go. 486 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,640 And so on the women's side, do you think that also translates? 487 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,240 It's hard for me to say because I think those guys you just 488 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,240 mentioned in general are just like had so much more track 489 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,680 prowess than I ever did. So I can't say from like a super 490 00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:52,040 like elite level, like let's say what's like Carissa Schweitzer's 491 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,240 PR example for the 10K and the 5K, if you take someone like 492 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,640 her, it's like American record level running, right? 493 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,240 So I knew I never came like that from the track. 494 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,960 So for me, it made more sense to move to the roads because I was 495 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,920 like, well, I'm not going to be running like, you know, 1430 and 496 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:14,160 the 5K or like 30, 30 flat in the in the 10K. 497 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,640 But I think for the for women who are maybe on that cusp, like 498 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,360 I was of like being really good on the track, but just not quite 499 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:23,520 at that level. I mean, I do think it makes 500 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,520 sense to go to the roads because it's a little bit of an 501 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,680 adjustment period at first. Like most people, I think see 502 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,040 that with their first road race. They're like, all right, this 503 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:35,120 isn't exactly like the track, but I think you do fall in love 504 00:26:35,120 --> 00:26:37,240 with it a little bit and then you kind of don't want to go 505 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,560 back to the track. From my vantage point, I think 506 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,000 there's nothing to lose from running a few road races and 507 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,600 seeing what it's all about. And then who knows, maybe 508 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,880 someone like Chris Schweitzer does say, oh, maybe I want to do 509 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:50,560 a half marathon. And it's like, yeah, I mean, if 510 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,160 you can run whatever you run in the five and the 10, I'm sure 511 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,040 you're going to be good, you know, in a distance like that. 512 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,320 So it's a little bit of different training, but if you 513 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,440 have the speed, I don't see why you can't be a great Rd. racer 514 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,800 too so. I'm looking at your PRS right 515 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:10,160 now and you're outdoor 5K15 O1. So is this the year you want to 516 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:11,560 try and dip under 15? Yeah. 517 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,840 I think I like, I was talking to David about this a little bit 518 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,600 like because I had mentioned, well, maybe I'll run like a hard 519 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:22,840 10K sometime like after Boston. And he was like, well, I want 520 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,800 you to run a 5K. And I was like, oh, OK. 521 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,680 I was so mad at myself last year that I get that I didn't get 522 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:34,160 under 15. I was talking to Emily Venner's 523 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,720 in the elevator at one of these races and she's like, yeah, but 524 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,000 you basically ran under 15. I was like, no, I didn't. 525 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,760 No, I was like, it's not the same thing. 526 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,240 It's totally different. I'm like, it's I have 3110 and 527 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,760 15 O1 and those are the two worst times 'cause it's like 528 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,880 just off of like that level where you can be like, Oh yeah, 529 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:54,160 I've run 14 and change in the 5K and that change could be 59, but 530 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:58,320 that's still under 15. So I would love to PR in the 531 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:01,760 five and the 10, but it's just finding a time right between 532 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,760 running a major and then like getting ready for your next 533 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,000 major or whatever it is. So yeah. 534 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,920 So when you brought up the fact that you're incorporating more 535 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,920 speed work than you know, you probably would think of a 536 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,960 typical marathoner into this build, like where does that sort 537 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,800 of show up in training? Because I guess I saw what you 538 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:26,360 had a 25 mile that averaged 553, but one of the splits was like, 539 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,320 well under I think sub five. So like, where are those times 540 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,640 where that speed really shines through? 541 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:39,000 I think it's like you said, it's kind of running on running fast 542 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,640 on really tired legs. So like yesterday, for example, 543 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,680 you know, I'm an hour and whatever hour and 35 hour and 40 544 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,760 into the long run. And it's like, all right, the 545 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,280 the the last part of this workout is to run one mile fast. 546 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,320 And it's like, all right, you're running, I'm running sub 510 up, 547 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,640 you know, a hill. And it's like, all right, well, 548 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,400 that's speed because power is speed. 549 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,480 So if you can run fast up hills, the power translates to the 550 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,120 speed. And I was never able to do that 551 00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:09,160 before because my, I don't know if it's like a neuromuscular 552 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,320 thing or like your central governor, your head is just 553 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:15,200 like, I can't run this fast an hour 40 into a run right now. 554 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,520 But yeah, I think it's a lot, a lot about like David talks about 555 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,160 fatigue resistance and just being able to turn over when 556 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,640 your body is like, stop, please just stop doing this. 557 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,400 In a lot of my long runs leading into New York, we're just kind 558 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,080 of like death marches where I was like, man, I just want to 559 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,360 stop right now. But being able to like try and 560 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,400 turn it on and do turnover and things like that has been very 561 00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,320 helpful. And at the end of almost all my 562 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:44,720 workouts, I'm doing some sort of like like 45 second type of 563 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,960 faster paced, like strides you would call them, with like a jog 564 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,040 recovery in between. And that's just like, all right, 565 00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:55,840 run as fast as you can now basically on, you know, 13 miles 566 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,520 of workout work that you've just done. 567 00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:00,000 And I mean things like that, Like am I ever going to be like 568 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,760 a four 25 Miller? No, probably not ever. 569 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:09,640 But like, you know, I could probably run APR in the in the 570 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:13,040 mile, you know, now more so than I could last year. 571 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,160 So I do think the speed has developed. 572 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:17,320 Not saying I'm good at the mile or whatever. 573 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,080 I will never do one but just saying. 574 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,600 Sub 447 you've got that. Oh my gosh, is that my PR? 575 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,720 Now that's what I'm looking at here. 576 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,920 B from BU in January January 28th, 2023. 577 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,640 Oh my God, College, Amanda, That's terrible. 578 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,560 I remember that race, too. I remember Coach Bell being 579 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,040 like, oh wow, it's not that bad, but it's not. 580 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,520 I think I could beat that now, but. 581 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,160 Yeah, I think so too. Yeah. 582 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,360 Maybe in the middle of the Boston Marathon. 583 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,400 Yeah. I asked Sam Growald. 584 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,480 I was like, hey, why haven't I ever been invited to the the 585 00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,520 fifth half mile? And he's like, you will never be 586 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,640 invited to the fifth half mile. I was like, oh. 587 00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,800 You're like what about the can I get a backdoor entry as being 588 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,880 like a local new? Yorker story that people could. 589 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,880 Root for but it's like spare a spot in the elite field for for 590 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:09,320 The New Yorker. Yeah, I know. 591 00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,800 Come on man. I'm just not asking for much 592 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,080 but. I think here had that at one 593 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,960 point too, where she was, I think on on this podcast 594 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,320 discussing that there are times like even in the middle of 595 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,200 marathon training where she gets that curiosity. 596 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,560 She's like, if I just dedicated myself to the mile, yeah, I feel 597 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,240 like I could because I think she's not. 598 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,320 She hasn't broken 4:30, but she felt there was like, there are 599 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,400 times when I'm like, yeah, give me a give me a good build and I 600 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,240 could get under 430. Yeah, I don't think I'd get 601 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:37,120 under 430. I mean, I'd have to ask David 602 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,800 what he thinks, but I think if I maybe got cracked out on bicarb 603 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,080 and then just like ripped it on the track, I could probably run 604 00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:49,520 something decent. But I just, I can go fast for 605 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,720 like I have one pace and it's for a long time and that's like 606 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,480 the marathon I think. But I don't know, maybe we'll 607 00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,040 see. I don't even have a good 800 608 00:31:58,040 --> 00:31:59,480 PRI. Think it's from like high school 609 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,960 or something so. Doesn't even show up on this 610 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:02,640 profile. Yeah. 611 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:04,000 Good. All right, that's good. 612 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,160 And I probably don't want to see that everyone goes into my Miles 613 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,240 archives. So you you brought up Bicarb 614 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:11,680 really quick. I guess, like what are some of 615 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,120 the David sometimes will people, people will think what he's 616 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,960 doing is like eccentric or weird or crazy. 617 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,960 Like have there been sort of moments where sort of like 618 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,200 there's tweaks and you're just like, that doesn't make any 619 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,760 sense to me, but I'm willing to try it. 620 00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,200 No, not really. I mean the bicarb. 621 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,520 It's easier when you have Jess to just like, all right. 622 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,360 If it's working with her then like well. 623 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,000 That's exactly. I can't really take any credit 624 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,080 cuz I just looked at her and I was like, I want that. 625 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,960 Yeah, she's, he's doing great. She's doing really good. 626 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,680 And I trust Jess and I've had like tons of conflict when, when 627 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,760 we all news app was closing shop last fall. 628 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,120 I was in conversation with Jess like for months in advance of 629 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,680 like, hey, like, what do I do, you know, like, I don't really 630 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:54,000 know what to do. I don't want to stay in North 631 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,080 Carolina by myself, obviously. And she had gotten me in touch 632 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,680 with David and him and I worked together like on the side a 633 00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,800 little bit. Like he would help advise me of 634 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,360 certain things since August of like last year. 635 00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,040 So like he, he followed me through my builds to New York. 636 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,480 But no, like he doesn't really say like, you know, take this or 637 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,400 take that. I mean, he's a big proponent of 638 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,440 bicarb. And I know like people like Jess 639 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,600 really like bicarb. I know like Annie loves bicarb. 640 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,720 Dakota loves bicarb. I think I took too big of a dose 641 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:30,160 once because I felt like, I think I took bicarb 25 and I'm 642 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:33,720 like, I don't weigh that much. So it's like that was enough to 643 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,920 kill a horse. I think like that's, that's a 644 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:39,440 crazy amount of bicarb. So ever since then I, I, I 645 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,600 haven't taken it because I've been a little nervous for it. 646 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,040 But yeah, I mean, I think bicarb can be beneficial. 647 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:47,760 I know a lot of distance runners do take it. 648 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,400 Other than that, no, like no meal. 649 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,840 I really enjoy no meal. It just makes me feel good at 650 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,160 like half marathon effort races or paces. 651 00:33:56,160 --> 00:34:00,440 And other than that, he's just basically David is like, eat a 652 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,000 lot like always and it will help your training. 653 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,960 And it has like, it really has like, I appreciate that. 654 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,440 He's like kind of like banged that into my brain. 655 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:13,080 Like take a lot of carbs, eat a lot of food. 656 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,800 And it's helped me stay healthy throughout the whole like 657 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,480 marathon build, which is a difficult thing to do when 658 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,320 you're running a lot. So, yeah, that's pretty much 659 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,440 all, yeah. You have one marathon under your 660 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,400 belt. What do you feel like You're 661 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,440 still learning about the event and like the distance? 662 00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,520 I mean, I still have so much to learn about the race itself, I 663 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,040 think, and just like not going out too hard because I think 664 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,520 like at New York that was so dumb. 665 00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:41,520 Like I ran like 71 for the first half and then I just like ate 666 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,040 crap at the end. But I think, I don't know, it's 667 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,639 difficult because you want to run with like your fellow 668 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:51,280 Americans and you're like, oh, I see, you know, Sarah Vaughan is 669 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,360 up there and I see Annie Frisbee's up there and Fiona's 670 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:56,199 up there. And it's like, yeah, I feel like 671 00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:58,520 I can run with those women. But it's also you have to give 672 00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,880 respect to like, they have a lot more marathons on their legs. 673 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,560 And that is a huge benefit. I think going into a lot of 674 00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,920 these majors. It's hard because everyone talks 675 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,880 about how the times not important at these difficult 676 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,000 courses. But at the same time, if the top 677 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:19,240 four or five women are going out hard, like you're not going to 678 00:35:19,240 --> 00:35:21,720 just stay back, you know, I guess you could you could stay 679 00:35:21,720 --> 00:35:23,240 back and you could run a really smart race. 680 00:35:23,240 --> 00:35:26,160 Like I think Jess Warner Judd at New York ran really, really 681 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,120 smart. She paced herself really well. 682 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,440 So I think that's something I need to take into this next 683 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,400 marathon a little bit. But then again, it's like I 684 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:37,440 think Boston's kind of downhill in the beginning. 685 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:39,320 So how much can you pace yourself? 686 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,600 I don't know, but yeah, probably just pacing is my biggest thing 687 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,800 cuz I race with a lot of heart and not a lot of brain. 688 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,200 Cuz when I like when the gun goes off, it's like you could 689 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,520 tell me whatever you want, I'm just gonna go hard from the gun 690 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,200 so. That's gonna be dangerous. 691 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,360 I'm not. In Boston especially, that first 692 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,640 mile is just like you're free falling, basically. 693 00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:58,840 I know, I know. I'm gonna. 694 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,040 I'm gonna taper off. It's not gonna be that. 695 00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,040 We're not gonna do that. I think David will kill me. 696 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,440 So yeah. How much of the course have you 697 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,440 seen so far? I've just seen like videos of 698 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,360 the course I watched. I did some research on it, but 699 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:15,160 basically I looked at the course profile, like I put it into my 700 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,280 garment and just kind of like tracked it and stuff. 701 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,680 And we've been mimicking our long runs based off of that, 702 00:36:20,920 --> 00:36:24,680 which is nice because it's just like downhills have been the 703 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:25,760 biggest thing I've been working on. 704 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:28,400 Just like crushing my quads on the downhills and trying to get 705 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,280 them like nice and calloused for the race. 706 00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,440 We've been doing that kind of over the past like 3-4 weeks 707 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:39,680 since the New York half. So yeah, that's been the biggest 708 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:41,680 thing I've been working on because I don't think I'm a 709 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,720 great downhill runner, but I'm trying to work on it and get 710 00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:46,280 better. So yeah. 711 00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,680 Where did you find these hills in in Florida? 712 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,960 Like I, I typically tend to think of Florida as flat. 713 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,000 Yeah, yeah, no, it is. So where I live it is fairly 714 00:36:55,000 --> 00:37:00,560 flat, but just like 3540 minutes West of here where my brother 715 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,200 lives, it's very hilly. Like it's, it's gnarly. 716 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,200 Like I almost wanted to kill him the other day because he 717 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,760 made-up. Yeah, I said Justin, I said make 718 00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:12,320 a 25 mile course from an Garmin. And he did. 719 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,440 And I was just like, dude, this sucks. 720 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,920 Like is he. There's a lake that I run around 721 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,880 and he chose the hilliest part of the lake because it's a Big 722 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,280 Lake, but he chose only half of the lake to do. 723 00:37:23,720 --> 00:37:27,200 And it's just like constant hills and it seems like every 724 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,000 time I have a pickup, it's on a hill as well. 725 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:34,000 So, and then also in addition to like the Hillier long runs and 726 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,000 double S that I do, David has me do, that's one of the other 727 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,440 things David has me do. He I do the uphill treadmill on 728 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:42,560 the Wahoo, which is such, it's a beautiful treadmill. 729 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:46,040 So I just do like I'll do a 40 minute double at 8%. 730 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,400 David's had me do like a lot of earlier marathon workouts on 731 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:52,960 there, running the whole thing at 8%, no breaks. 732 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:57,480 Like the rest is still on 8%. So yeah, definitely still got my 733 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,600 fair share of, like, climbing here, even more so than in North 734 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:04,760 Carolina, because there were not like any special hills there. 735 00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,440 It was just kind of like there was always this one hill that 736 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,840 you'd start on before you got to the gravel lake. 737 00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,000 But yeah, there's actually more hills in Florida than there were 738 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,640 in North Carolina, which is interesting. 739 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,520 You wouldn't think so, but. All right, you could do the ad 740 00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:20,600 read for me because Wahoo's one of our sponsors. 741 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,760 What do you like about the Kicker Run treadmill? 742 00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,440 Oh yeah, man, I love it. It's well, I like it because 743 00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,600 it's just very it's very quiet and it's like smooth like I've 744 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,720 done runs on treadmills before. I'm just like, I want to get off 745 00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:39,440 this right now, but I like it. It's got it goes at 4 minute 746 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,360 mile pace, which I've obviously never used that. 747 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,360 But if you're like a male professional runner, I think 748 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,680 it's probably the best treadmill you can get on the market at the 749 00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,880 price point too. Cuz there there's other 750 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,240 treadmills that are like 12 thousand $15,000, but that's not 751 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,200 you know, something that I would ever purchase. 752 00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:00,560 But I think for the price point, it's probably the most quality 753 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:04,920 treadmill you can get. And when I got the treadmill, I 754 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,840 got the fan too, as my coach like works with Wahoo. 755 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,080 So I got the fan as well, which is really nice. 756 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:14,240 And yeah, it's just a beautiful machine. 757 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:17,360 I have like a little indoor gym here and it's my favorite part 758 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,600 of it. So yeah, it's a beast to put 759 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:21,920 together though. It's like tons of guys came in 760 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:23,520 here and put it together. I was like, wow, I don't know 761 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,480 how you guys are lifting that so. 762 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,240 Well, you can get the fan for free if you use Codecidia set at 763 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:32,520 checkout for the listeners who are interested in getting a hold 764 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,200 of one of those treadmills. And you nailed it. 765 00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:38,360 Great ad read there. So you won't have to drop in the 766 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,200 one that we usually do in all of the episodes. 767 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,720 So the other thing that I was wondering is just sort of 768 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,480 working with David. You ran New York, you ran your 769 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:48,560 debut there. You ran a couple seconds faster 770 00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:54,040 than Jess when she ran New York and then right after she ran 771 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,760 that, she goes to Boston. She finished 7th. 772 00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,480 Does that in a way get you excited to sort of also think 773 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,280 it's like, wait, OK, I've seen this play out before. 774 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,920 That would be really great. Yeah, I think it's eerily 775 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,400 similar how much we, because she trains in Phoenix, this hotter 776 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,880 climate and stuff, and it gets me, it does get me excited, I'm 777 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,160 not going to lie, because obviously I just look up to Jess 778 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,600 so much. She's like, she's the best. 779 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:24,040 SO for me, following in her footsteps just is because she's 780 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,600 so good. It makes sense to me. 781 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,440 And watching her progression from New York to Boston, just 782 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,560 that season was crazy. And that was one of the reasons 783 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,600 I reached out to her. Like, hey, what are you like, 784 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,880 who are you working with? Like what are you doing? 785 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:42,680 And it is cool because she like, I think it's just like 786 00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,280 consistency overtime just made her really good. 787 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,160 And she went from being self coached, I think, to working 788 00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:51,280 with David and just had these massive jumps. 789 00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:55,280 And yeah, I feel like I was getting a little bit stale in my 790 00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,280 training as well. So it was an adjustment period 791 00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,760 at first with David. But I kind of can see now like 792 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,920 the like longer workouts he's given me this build have been 793 00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,960 like, I would never would have thought last year I wouldn't I 794 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,800 would have been like, I can never run that fast. 795 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,720 So it is interesting the way David applies like workouts to 796 00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:16,680 your own Physiology. The difference between Jess and 797 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,040 I though, is like David will put her on the track for workouts. 798 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:22,960 He doesn't put me on the track 'cause she's just got a 799 00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:24,880 different like Physiology than I do. 800 00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,600 She is more of like AI think track speed based. 801 00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,800 And I'm way I come way more from like the aerobic standpoint of 802 00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,200 things. And it's harder for me to get 803 00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,480 that like fast twitch feeling in my legs. 804 00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,400 But yeah, man, if I could, God, if I could repeat the 805 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,240 performance she had last year, that'd be a great day in Boston. 806 00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,120 If that was one goal I had, it would be to to have a day like 807 00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:47,080 that. So I don't know, we'll see. 808 00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:49,640 Hopefully I could be up there with her. 809 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,280 But when I chatted with Susanna yesterday, I think she said that 810 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,600 somewhere you predicted a Brooks sweep at Boston. 811 00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,080 I said we should get a Brooks sweep. 812 00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:03,120 I said we should get. I said, well, I told this to 813 00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,680 Jess separately. I actually said she commented on 814 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,400 one of my runs and she was like, wow. 815 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,000 And I was like, we got to get David that one too. 816 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,160 That that that David Roach one too in there. 817 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,720 But yeah, I mean, we always talk about a Brooke sweep, you know, 818 00:42:17,720 --> 00:42:20,760 that'd be great. I mean, they owned the marathon 819 00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,760 world, you know, team championship team. 820 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,240 So I was like, I want to be a part of that. 821 00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:29,040 So I don't know, maybe we'll maybe we could do a Brooks like 822 00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:33,040 top three American sweep because I don't want to get in over my 823 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,720 head here, but. Or if anything, like if you 824 00:42:35,720 --> 00:42:38,880 score all the brands, like a cross country race, yeah, the 825 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,240 Brooks women will win, Yeah. Well, I have some competition 826 00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:44,960 with Puma I think. That's. 827 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,760 Good. We have a lot of competition 828 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,920 there, but who knows? You have Susanna, you have 829 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:54,200 Erica, you have Jess. Like, as you know, these mentors 830 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,440 of yours, how often do you find yourself, like, picking their 831 00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,320 brains? And it seems like there's a 832 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,040 group chat and all that kind of stuff. 833 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,040 For someone who's just getting into their marathoning career, 834 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,080 I'm thinking like, this is such a valuable resource you have. 835 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,720 Yeah, no, it's huge. I mean, when I do get to see 836 00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:12,840 them in person, it's like it's so nice to be able to ask them 837 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,480 about like how their training is going. 838 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,240 And like, you know, I remember distinctly asking last year to 839 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:20,640 Susanna, I was like, is it normal to feel this tired? 840 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:23,400 And like she gave me some tips of like, well, you know, are you 841 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,480 doing XY and Z? And things like that just from 842 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,000 experienced marathoners are just hugely beneficial. 843 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:34,680 And like Erica always just basically telling me like, just 844 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,080 trust your training and like don't overthink it because I 845 00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:40,480 tend to get a little bit nervous before like these bigger races 846 00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:42,920 where you're on like kind of a world stage a little bit. 847 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,560 And it's been nice to like just hear their experience. 848 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:50,120 And not that time is everything, but like they all, they all do 849 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,200 have like what 220-2221 marathon PRS. 850 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,560 It's like they know what they're talking about. 851 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,120 They're like some of the best in the country. 852 00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:59,520 So I just try to emulate them. I try to be like, you know, 853 00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,480 following their footsteps. And I'm, that's one of the 854 00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,120 reasons I'm so glad I came to the marathon early because I see 855 00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,560 like, you know what, like how old they are. 856 00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:11,920 And I'm like, wow, if I can still be performing good in like 857 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:15,880 5 years, six years like that, that would be a hugely 858 00:44:15,880 --> 00:44:19,960 successful career in my eyes. So I try to just think of like, 859 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,720 all right, what are they doing to like be good for this long? 860 00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,960 Because, you know, they've been with Brooks or they've been pro 861 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:27,800 runners for quite a while. I guess Jess is a little 862 00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:29,880 different because she stepped away from it for a little bit. 863 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,800 But yeah, it's like the longevity kind of speaks for 864 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,600 itself how they're still so good, you know, coming out of 865 00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,040 college and stuff. So because I feel like I'm still 866 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,600 like relatively new to the pro running world and being able to 867 00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,840 just like latch onto them has been super helpful. 868 00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,960 So. Love seeing the photos from like 869 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,560 the Summit and then like this kick off that you guys sort of 870 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:54,520 do all of the testing that goes down. 871 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,680 What's the biggest thing you learned about yourself from the 872 00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:02,120 testing at like the Summit or at this kick off that you guys had 873 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:05,080 a little while ago? Yeah, yeah, we did get the 874 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:10,200 results back from that. I think we a couple years ago we 875 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,080 did like a sweat test, which I would have loved to know now 876 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:15,240 that I'm in like a such a humid climate. 877 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:20,120 But we, so I think we skewed the results a little bit 'cause it, 878 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,800 you know how you weigh yourself before and after for a sweat 879 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,600 test. I was weighing more after the 75 880 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:27,440 minute run. So I was like, something's wrong 881 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,080 here. So unfortunately I never got the 882 00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,520 results of the sweat test, but think they were, they were just 883 00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:34,520 putting like a bunch of sensors on us and stuff. 884 00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:38,480 And like, I think it's more for them than it is for me because I 885 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:42,120 personally don't love reading into numbers too much. 886 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,320 Like the only thing I track numbers wise, like data wise is 887 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,880 heart rate just to see kind of how my recovery is. 888 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:52,480 But yeah, or like, you know, foot strike, things like that 889 00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:55,680 are interesting to see. But one of the things I learned 890 00:45:55,680 --> 00:46:00,400 is that it said in the data that it takes me like I should do a 891 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,600 longer warm up before harder sessions. 892 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,360 So basically, I guess like the longer I go in a warm up, the 893 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,560 more prepared I am to start ripping it. 894 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:10,680 But I mean, I feel like that's mostly everyone. 895 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:12,960 Like, I don't think anyone's just ready to go RIP it like 896 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,560 from the gun. So that's one of the only things 897 00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,400 I really like kind of like searched for in it to see like 898 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,240 maybe what can I do differently in my warm up? 899 00:46:21,240 --> 00:46:24,160 But I'm never not doing like a three to four mile warm up 900 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,360 before workouts are long runs anyways. 901 00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:30,040 So yeah. What about with regards to like 902 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,840 the shoe testing? I know I guess you've seen a 903 00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,760 various different iterations of like the Hyperion Elite. 904 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,120 Which one I guess like works best for you right now? 905 00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,600 I've been training, I just got 2 pairs of the sixes which I've 906 00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,520 been racing only in the fives and I really like them a lot. 907 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,480 They're they're interesting because they're, they almost 908 00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:54,480 feel more like supportive than the fives, but not in like a 909 00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,400 heavy way. Like they're still very, very, 910 00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,240 very light. But I don't know, it feels kind 911 00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:01,440 of like it just like springs you forward a little bit puts me a 912 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,960 little bit more up onto my forefoot. 913 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,440 So I've been really enjoying that. 914 00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,840 And actually it's funny because I was talking to my dad 915 00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,160 yesterday and he's like, and he's like, weirdly enough, he's 916 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,480 like, 'cause I used to be a very like a mid to back foot striker 917 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,560 and he said you just run more like up right now. 918 00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:19,680 And I don't know if that's a good thing or not, but he, he 919 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,920 did have that observation. So I don't know, maybe I'm just 920 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,640 like getting used to that type of foot strike and I have been 921 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,840 having a lot less hamstring issues in the long run. 922 00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,040 So maybe that's like maybe that's something to something to 923 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,000 look at there, maybe putting more emphasis on the quad than 924 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,120 the hamstring. So. 925 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,680 So you've raced I guess what, Houston and New York in the 926 00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,640 Fives or 6? Yeah, I in the fives Boston, 927 00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,760 I'll go in the sixes. I have like a fresh pair for for 928 00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,840 Boston. But yeah, I've been my 929 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,240 unfortunately my heels are an issue for me. 930 00:47:51,240 --> 00:47:53,800 I don't know what that's all about, but I'm bleeding through 931 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,120 all of my shoes, so that's been a little bit tough. 932 00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,920 I don't know, I think there's like a little pad in it or 933 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:02,520 something that's been like rubbing my heels. 934 00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,760 But I also wear low socks and everyone's like, you need to 935 00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,040 wear high socks when you run. So I need to do better at that 936 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,440 because otherwise I'm going to finish Boston and everyone's 937 00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:12,720 going to be like, dude, what's wrong with your feet? 938 00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:14,960 Like. There were some pretty gnarly 939 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,320 photos, I think last year of who was it? 940 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,440 I think Pat Tiernan, he had some sort of issue with the shoe that 941 00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,800 he was wearing, and it was just like his shoe is white at the 942 00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:25,920 start of the race. Yeah, just totally red at the 943 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,640 end. And you don't want that for the 944 00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,560 marathon. No, and I think it's from the 945 00:48:29,560 --> 00:48:32,000 down, like uphill, downhill running too, because it's just 946 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,840 like different pounding on your feet. 947 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,960 So I need to start wearing up like higher socks even though I 948 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,200 look like a nerd wearing them. I definitely got to do that. 949 00:48:39,720 --> 00:48:42,480 What do you think about the halves that you put together? 950 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:46,720 I guess so far? So it's Houston 6743, tenth and 951 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:51,320 then in New York 6922 seventh. What did you take away from 952 00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:56,480 those performances for Boston? So Houston was very much like 953 00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,600 David and I had talked about, was not going to be any sort of 954 00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,280 like goal race or anything like that. 955 00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,520 Like coming off of New York, coming off of my first marathon, 956 00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,240 it took me a long time to feel good again after that. 957 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:11,520 Just even like hormonally, just like really out of whack, like 958 00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,520 feeling pretty bad. So Houston was just like, let's 959 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,680 like dust off the shoes a little bit and kind of see where you're 960 00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,000 at in training. I didn't take too much out of 961 00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,000 Houston. I was just like, it was OK, you 962 00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:26,560 know, would like to run faster. Like in an ideal world, like 963 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,200 running in at Houston, it's such a fast course. 964 00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:34,040 I would like to see myself much lower than that, like sub 6767 965 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,000 low. But I think to put a race like 966 00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:39,480 that together, I'm going to have to go to like Valencia and 967 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,240 really like focus on that and a build and not be like an 968 00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:46,840 afterthought. And then New York was tough 969 00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,200 because it was just, I was just running alone for a lot of it. 970 00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:52,400 And it was into a pretty nasty headwind at the whole time. 971 00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:57,360 And it was very cold. So for the conditions, I was OK 972 00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,920 with it. My main go out of that race was 973 00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,200 just like practice, trying to be top American. 974 00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,600 And unfortunately, Emily got me at the end. 975 00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:09,920 Again, it was OK for like a marathon, you know, build race. 976 00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,880 I ran at Twin Cities last year, 10 mile, even slower than that. 977 00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:19,240 So it doesn't give me much like to work off of, I don't think. 978 00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,040 But yeah, I just feel like your legs feel so dead at that time 979 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,920 of year or at that time of the build that it's just like 980 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,000 anything is just put it on paper and like kind of go from there 981 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,880 and build off of it. So not the best, not the worst, 982 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,960 but I think that's OK Going into Boston, it's like it's all about 983 00:50:35,960 --> 00:50:37,880 the grind, so. Yeah. 984 00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,160 Do we have a rivalry like coming up with you and Emily that 985 00:50:41,240 --> 00:50:43,520 because it's like you guys are going neck and neck in the last 986 00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,680 couple races? She did beat me in the last two 987 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,760 races, so I would say she's a better, she's better than me. 988 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:53,760 But I know it's funny because like he's so nice as well and 989 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,640 her husband's so nice and like, I don't have, I can't do a 990 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,960 rivalry with her because she's. You're like, I can't be mean. 991 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:00,640 Yeah, he's. The American record holder. 992 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,760 I mean, like, listen, I'm just lucky to be in her presence at 993 00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,600 this point. So there is no rivalry. 994 00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,640 But it is cool to be like when I'm running down the streets of 995 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:13,280 New York with her both of these times, I'm like, oh, I'm running 996 00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,200 with the American record holder. This is really cool, You know, 997 00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:20,960 So yeah, it's very, very special to be, to be running out there 998 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:24,640 with like, you know, names like her 'cause I'm like, wow, I just 999 00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,400 like few years ago be like insane of me to think I could 1000 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,600 run with some of these ladies. So yeah, very cool. 1001 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,800 No half marathon champs this time around. 1002 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,240 Last year you qualify for the World road running Championships 1003 00:51:39,240 --> 00:51:42,280 and then those get, you know, pulled from under you. 1004 00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,840 And then this time around you miss out but also, I guess, 1005 00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:51,320 avoid disaster on the course. And why did you let that one go? 1006 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,240 So that was a really difficult decision. 1007 00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:58,200 I, I really wanted to do it. I really wanted to qualify and 1008 00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:03,280 make, you know, Team USA again, you know, it just New York. 1009 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,360 I, I feel like I can't say no to New York. 1010 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,120 I just really enjoy New York races for some reason. 1011 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,600 And to be honest, I was a little jilted from last year about 1012 00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,080 making the team and then not being able to go. 1013 00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,760 So it's kind of like whatever, you know, like I figured like 1014 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,960 I'll have a fall marathon anyway planned out. 1015 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,000 So it was difficult to let it go. 1016 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:27,240 But then when I saw what happened, I was like, man, I 1017 00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:29,320 don't know if I'd want to be a part of that, to be honest. 1018 00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:32,000 And I just felt so bad for Jess, too. 1019 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,000 And like Emma, just especially because like, Emma, Grace made 1020 00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:38,040 it last year and wasn't able to go. 1021 00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,600 And then, you know, it just sucked because they all, like, 1022 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,440 all three of the ladies ran so well. 1023 00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:46,280 And it's just such a shame for everyone involved like that they 1024 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,600 had to all go through that. And then like the people who did 1025 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:52,640 actually win, it was like, you know, you your experience is 1026 00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:55,280 spoiled as well. So to you know, in a selfish 1027 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,480 way, I was kind of glad that I wasn't there obviously to be out 1028 00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:02,160 of that rest, but it seemed like it was a great race otherwise. 1029 00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:05,320 Like it would have been awesome to be running next to Jess and 1030 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,360 you know, that would have been amazing, but because Jess and I 1031 00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,280 haven't really raced that often together. 1032 00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,760 So I would have really enjoyed that, but that was a difficult 1033 00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,360 decision. But I think ultimately, like two 1034 00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,520 weeks apart or whatever they were, I don't think it really 1035 00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,800 matters in the scheme of Boston. I think they're both good for 1036 00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,040 Boston. So that's why I chose New York, 1037 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,800 because I was like, I like New York, so. 1038 00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:31,120 Kyle Merber and I were just like joking about how like we got 7 1039 00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,400 spots, I guess for the road ring championships and like World 1040 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:38,440 Athletic Save the Day. But just in seeing how all of 1041 00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:42,760 the women who were ahead of the three misdirected runners, it 1042 00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,080 just kind of said like, Oh no, like I'll do the right thing and 1043 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,080 pass on the spot. Yeah, I just said it was like 1044 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:48,960 this would not happen on the men's side. 1045 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,800 Like there would be somebody it's. 1046 00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,080 And so it was really cool to kind of just see just even as 1047 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:57,600 competitors, like on the women's side in like American distance 1048 00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,920 running, everyone seems to to get along. 1049 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,560 Oh, and yeah, and I was even thinking like worst comes to 1050 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,080 worst. I was talking to someone from 1051 00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,200 Brooks the other day. I was like, worst comes to 1052 00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:07,840 worst. They go off of World Athletics 1053 00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:11,240 rankings and I'll say no, I hope like the women like because I 1054 00:54:11,240 --> 00:54:15,600 think I'm 4th on there or something and it's like Emma's 1055 00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,640 third. So like she she would get in if 1056 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,400 Wayne and Taylor said no. And then everyone just keeps 1057 00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:24,960 saying no until we get to like Emma, Grace, Jess and Edna. 1058 00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,080 But then I was like, Edna's not even on there because I think 1059 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,920 she's only run one or something. Well, she just ran one this 1060 00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:32,840 weekend, so I think now she'll finally be on it. 1061 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,400 I think she ran like 68. She ran really well. 1062 00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,520 So like I, she'll be in the rankings soon whenever they 1063 00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,440 update. OK, yeah, because that was my 1064 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,280 next plan. I was like, everyone just say no 1065 00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:43,360 and then we'll just keep going down. 1066 00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,040 And I know all the girls would do it, too. 1067 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,160 She's funny. So technically, I guess like you 1068 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,760 still have a shot, right? Because like, if what if Wayne 1069 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:56,640 and Taylor pass and we already have the three misdirected 1070 00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:02,280 runners plus the three top three from the Atlanta half and 1071 00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,320 they're going off of ranking for one spot, then you might still 1072 00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,000 have a chance. I was curious to hear why they 1073 00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:11,160 chose like 7 instead of just six you know cuz I know they 1074 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,840 normally take one off of world ranking but if you're already 1075 00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,000 taking six why do you need to add 1/7? 1076 00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,880 They're like, I guess you guys are used to fielding seven 1077 00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:21,080 person cross country team so have at it. 1078 00:55:21,560 --> 00:55:24,120 I guess I could technically. I guess we'll see what Marathon 1079 00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:28,040 is doing and then if it works like in Rainy and Taylor don't 1080 00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:30,680 take it, maybe I'll run it would be cool. 1081 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:32,920 Signed up for New York, you did that one. 1082 00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:38,280 Boston, both hilly, no Pacers for any of these. 1083 00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:42,040 Is that sort of maybe where a little bit of curiosity like 1084 00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:45,600 goes where it's like, what if I got on a flat fast course? 1085 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,360 Yeah. No, we've definitely talked 1086 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,880 about that. And it's hard to pass as a New 1087 00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,360 Yorker. I know, yeah, I want to save 1088 00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,600 like the fast, flatter time trial, of course, for like a 1089 00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:59,320 little bit more experience into my marathon career because I 1090 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,480 think it's very like, it's a lot more difficult than people think 1091 00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,560 to say. Like, hey, I'm going to run 1092 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:10,840 whatever 524 pace, you know, in a row for 26 miles at Chicago or 1093 00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:13,920 at Valencia. It's like that takes like a very 1094 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,920 experienced like person to just be able to like clip off miles 1095 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,440 like that. Because I think, yes, New York 1096 00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,840 and Boston are difficult, but you're able to give yourself 1097 00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,640 that grace when you do run a 534 mile in the race. 1098 00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,000 Or like if you do go a little bit quicker and you run like 512 1099 00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,960 versus like I think in a flat pace course, it's harder 1100 00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,120 mentally to be like, oh, no, I'm slipping up a little bit. 1101 00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,600 And then you have to like, kind of, you know, rein it back in. 1102 00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:44,000 So yeah, I just think the time trial races are a little bit 1103 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:47,680 more like, you know, if you're like Emily Sisson and you're 1104 00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,160 just like, OK, this is what I'm doing. 1105 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,120 This is what I've been preparing for for X amount of years, I'm 1106 00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,520 just going to go execute it. I think that takes a little bit 1107 00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:57,760 more marathon prowess than people might give it credit for. 1108 00:56:57,760 --> 00:56:59,560 So I'm going to wait a little bit on that. 1109 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,240 So what is the performance or showing that you're hoping for 1110 00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:08,880 in Boston that like, will, you know, make it a success for you 1111 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,720 after the race is all done? You're like, all right, that was 1112 00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:13,400 all worth it. I'm super happy. 1113 00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,800 Honestly, like this is so cliche. 1114 00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,800 It's the most cliche answer you could ever give. 1115 00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,560 But honestly, just the fact that I could be getting to the 1116 00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,880 starting line totally healthy is the biggest win in my eyes. 1117 00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,520 Because as I said before, in New York, I was not healthy going 1118 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,120 into that race. Like I'd been dealing with so 1119 00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,000 many things that were like physically hurting me in runs 1120 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,960 and workouts. So the fact that I'm still 1121 00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,840 enjoying training up to this point has been a huge win. 1122 00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:43,960 And if I can like compete for a top three American in this 1123 00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:48,680 field, I'll be very, very happy with that overall place. 1124 00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,000 I don't know. I know it's like a semi deep 1125 00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:55,240 field and there's a lot of great women in the top, you know, top 1126 00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,760 three, top four that are going to be hard to contend with. 1127 00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,040 But if I can be competitive, like on the American side, I'll 1128 00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:05,000 be very happy with that and race a little bit smarter as well. 1129 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,760 Like pace myself a little bit better. 1130 00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,600 And you know, when I get to mile 18, be like, all right, this is 1131 00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:13,560 where the racing really begins. So yeah, I think top three 1132 00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,240 American would be huge in a race like that. 1133 00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,800 When we've seen Emma Bates, I guess race this over the last 1134 00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,000 couple years, I guess there was a moment, maybe it was last 1135 00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,880 year's race, where like you get to 13 Wellesley crowds going 1136 00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,640 crazy, especially in that part of the course. 1137 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:30,760 She'll high 5 the fans. Are you going to let yourself 1138 00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,520 have a little bit of fun or all biz? 1139 00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:37,360 No. I I actually run a lot better, 1140 00:58:37,360 --> 00:58:40,480 even like yesterday in the long run when I was just, you know, 1141 00:58:40,480 --> 00:58:43,800 clipping off the miles. I was on a downhill and I was 1142 00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,320 like, this is fun dad, like this is cool. 1143 00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:49,280 You know, you're like you're, I think when you get into a 1144 00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,960 certain spot in, in like longer training runs or whatever, or a 1145 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,800 marathon, it's like you get into a little bit of a flow state. 1146 00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:00,040 And when, when I'm in the flow state, it's so much fun for me. 1147 00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,760 So I hope that happens. And if it does, like, yeah, I, 1148 00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,600 you know, I smile, wave, whatever. 1149 00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:09,000 Like, I think, you know, that's a good way to show your 1150 00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,120 appreciation for the fans that are out there. 1151 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,760 And just like the fact that we get to be running, you know, in 1152 00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,000 the Boston Marathon, it's a huge privilege. 1153 00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,600 And I know so many people would, like kill to run in it. 1154 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,440 So yeah, I just want to have fun in the race and like, all the 1155 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:24,760 work is going to be put in by then. 1156 00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:27,840 So it'll just be about like celebrating and, you know, doing 1157 00:59:27,840 --> 00:59:32,120 really one, one fun like 26 mile race basically. 1158 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:35,920 So yeah. Well Amanda, best of luck with 1159 00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:40,400 the remainder of your training. Enjoy the the taper and excited 1160 00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:41,920 to see what you put together in Boston. 1161 00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:43,640 Thank you. Thanks for having me. 1162 00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,480 All right, that's a wrap on today's episode. 1163 00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:50,480 Thanks for listening, for the time, the curiosity, and for 1164 00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:53,240 making this show part of your routine or your run. 1165 00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:56,560 A big thanks to our producer Jasmine Fair, and to everyone 1166 00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,160 behind the scenes who helps make the Sidious Magic Podcast 1167 00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:01,040 happen. 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