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What's up everyone? 21 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,200 You are listening to the CDs Mag podcast. 22 00:01:07,200 --> 00:01:09,840 I'm your host Chris Chavez, and every week we go beyond the 23 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,520 results to bring you conversations with the biggest 24 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,920 names on the track, the roads and behind the scenes. 25 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,200 From world class athletes and coaches to innovators shaping 26 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:20,360 the sport. If it's happening on the track, 27 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,280 we're covering it with real insights that sharpen minds, 28 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,800 deep dives into the moments that define careers, and the kind of 29 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:29,760 access to the pros you won't get anywhere else. 30 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,400 So let's get into it, because we love track and field. 31 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,760 My guest for today's episode is Vincent Maury. 32 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:39,760 And you're probably wondering. Who? 33 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:43,480 Well, we'll answer that question within the next hour. 34 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,520 On Sunday morning in Toledo, OH, the 24 year old biomedical 35 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:50,280 engineer and graduate and shoe store employee from Youngstown 36 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,680 ran two O 553 in his marathon debut. 37 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:59,480 He has no agent, no sponsor. There's no half marathon results 38 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,880 on his resume. No 10K results either. 39 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:05,880 He's got no coach. His last competitive result that 40 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:09,680 I was able to find was a 5K at the ACC Championships in 2025 41 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,480 where he got lapped by Ethan Strand and Gary Martin. 42 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:16,800 And the race that he ran on Sunday only existed because the 43 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,400 one he originally signed up for got cancelled three days out. 44 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:22,920 Vincent trained himself entirely. 45 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:27,240 He averaged about 110 miles a week that consisted of two big 46 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:31,160 sessions a week, a Sunday long run double threshold every 47 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:34,760 Tuesday, lots of work on treadmills at Planet Fitness 48 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:39,280 through a brutal Ohio winter, and doing almost all of it in 49 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:42,080 non super shoes. He built his training philosophy 50 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,120 from the fragments of five different coaches that he had in 51 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:48,280 college. He leaned heavily on weight 52 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,960 training and fueling discipline that had broken him in college. 53 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,080 This one was a lot to try and make sense of. 54 00:02:55,640 --> 00:02:58,600 So on race day he ran a race with no clocks, no pace group, 55 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:02,040 no rabbit, and no idea that he was running two O 5 until the 56 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,600 clock at the finish line inside the stadium told him so. 57 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,000 He walks us through the entire arc of his time at Arizona 58 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:14,520 State, Notre Dame, the coaching changes, the injuries, the post 59 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,600 college reset at the shoe store, the training block that nobody 60 00:03:17,600 --> 00:03:19,640 was watching, and the race itself. 61 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:22,800 We also get into the immediate aftermath. 62 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:26,880 We recorded this less than 48 hours after the performance with 63 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,280 people online trying to process this in real time, him reaching 64 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,040 out to USADA himself, and what he thinks he actually needs to 65 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:38,280 take this from a stunning debut to a sustainable elite career. 66 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,200 So without further ado, here is Vincent Mori. 67 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:57,640 All right, I just had a quick chat with Sebastian Sawy this 68 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,360 morning on like a little media call that they did. 69 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,360 But I think I'm more excited to chat with today's guest, Vincent 70 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:13,560 Mari, who just ran two O 553 Youngstown, OH biomedical 71 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,480 engineering grad, shoe store employee. 72 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,320 I think this is that where we're joining you from right now, self 73 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,920 coach. No, this is my basement. 74 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:27,280 OK, just but yeah. First Marathon 2O5I mean the 75 00:04:27,280 --> 00:04:29,840 biggest question everyone's got is who are you? 76 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:33,280 And and then I guess like help us understand how we got to this 77 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:36,000 point. I think just been one of those 78 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,400 people that's flown under the radar for a while. 79 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:43,480 I originally went to Arizona State and got my undergrad in 80 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,880 BioMed engineering and selfishly enough wanted to run the longer 81 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:50,800 thing, longer distances. So put in my time there and 82 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,520 eventually got to Notre Dame where I fell in love with 83 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,720 definitely running the five and and crossed a little bit. 84 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:03,760 Had some setbacks all throughout, but really learning 85 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,240 how to stay healthy, to run those longer events. 86 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:10,640 After I graduated Notre Dame, came back and took a little bit 87 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,320 of a time time off. Tried to figure out I guess what 88 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,760 life looked like, looked like without running. 89 00:05:18,280 --> 00:05:21,000 Tried to see what was going on. Tried to find a job. 90 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,000 Kind of didn't work out as well as I planned it to. 91 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,360 So I said, you know what, let's let's just simmer down, do 92 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,200 something I love and shoot. Second Soul's been around 93 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,960 forever since 1981. So I've been buying my shoes, my 94 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,160 running shoes there my whole life. 95 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,600 So decided to work there part time, which ended up being a 96 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:45,960 little bit closer to full time and really fell back in love 97 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,160 with running and was like, hey, I'm, I'm just going to, why not 98 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,080 get fit? Like why not get fit in the 99 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,400 meantime? And after a while I was like, 100 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,480 OK, well, now we're starting to get really fit. 101 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,880 Really finding writing that way to be consistent, repeatable, 102 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,360 and also like have a great balance of life and loving 103 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,880 running and also I mean being pretty good at running. 104 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:14,280 So signed up for the Carmel Marathon 2 days before it got 105 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:17,560 cancelled, three days before it got cancelled. 106 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,760 So pivoted to Toledo and just kind of sent it from there. 107 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,720 Love that that that was the the SparkNotes version of 108 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:26,960 everything. We're going to dive deep into a 109 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,000 whole, you know, bunch of it. So I want to start with, I guess 110 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:35,000 Arizona State and Notre Dame, Like what was really going on 111 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:37,880 there were sort of like, how much did you feel like you 112 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,320 maximized on just sort of your training and potential And like, 113 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,880 All in all, you know, closing the book on your collegiate 114 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,520 career, what do you think your best performance was? 115 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:50,200 Because, like, nothing really stands out right now. 116 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:55,040 Quite honestly, there's like one race I would even say from 117 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,040 college that I was like, hey, like I, I'm a I'm great with or 118 00:06:58,040 --> 00:06:59,480 I'm not great, but I'm like, I'm OK with. 119 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:03,400 Put my name on that. I was kind of like an 815 120 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,360 hundred guy. Well, 15. 121 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,200 Yeah, why? I'll start from the beginning. 122 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,120 I I went to Arizona State, ran under Corey Leslie for a bit and 123 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,680 then COVID happened. So push came to shove, he went 124 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:18,320 his way and for I mean, see where he is now. 125 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:22,960 He's doing great. Talked to him a lot and was 126 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,880 always a great mentor. So had a lot of coaching changes 127 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:30,520 there, which honestly, I think I mean Corey Leslie, Patrick 128 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:35,440 Henner, Ryan Godfrey, Ryan Ray. So each coach kind of had their 129 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:40,200 own little mark that I've I mean taken and written my training on 130 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:43,440 as you fell in love with the weight training as well. 131 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:48,520 So we knew I was going to be a 5K guy, especially early COVID 132 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:51,800 happened. Hey, things happened from there. 133 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,440 Patrick Henner came in and I was a little bit like standoffish at 134 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:57,880 first. I was like, oh, I came here for 135 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:02,840 Corey, but what's going on? But really learned a ton from 136 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:06,440 him just because Alex George and I always called him like the 137 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,000 wizard. Like we're like, like, I feel 138 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:11,280 like we're not doing enough. And then it ended up being like, 139 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,080 hey, we showed up to these races feeling fresh and ready to go. 140 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,840 With that being said, that's when I finally like ran. 141 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,800 The five my sophomore year of college. 142 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:25,280 Also my last outdoor track season, which would have been my 143 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,760 true junior year. So ran made it to nationals and 144 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:32,559 that was like the one I was like, OK, like I'm happy with 145 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,000 this. We closed ran at PB and closed 146 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,200 in like 4 O 5 four O 6. Think Sam Gillman won that race. 147 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:45,320 But so yeah, it was pretty much a 5K5 K 1500 ran 8 with Dayton 148 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:50,080 once, was pacing him and just decided to finish and got under 149 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,640 150 and I said I'll never run an 800 again because I just am not 150 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,440 going to try and top that. What about injuries? 151 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:01,200 Like how big of that was a factor in your college career? 152 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:07,520 Unfortunately, a lot, hence why my last outdoor season was my 153 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:10,480 junior year and then also my sophomore season. 154 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,240 I and starting to figure it out now. 155 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:18,120 I think I've finally written something for myself that is 156 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:19,640 repeatable. It's healthy. 157 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,520 A lot of it was quite honestly under fuelling. 158 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,960 I just got off the phone with Chris Neal about it. 159 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:29,320 Like I don't think in the college spectrum. 160 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:35,360 I mean, I'm skinny, of course, but like that, I think fuelling 161 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,840 was one of the biggest things that got me to where I where I 162 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,640 was yesterday. Just really getting in enough 163 00:09:42,680 --> 00:09:47,640 and honestly sometimes too much. I think I was always like, hey, 164 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:52,560 not smaller is better, it doesn't matter, who cares? 165 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:56,360 But it was never really a focus, especially at Arizona State. 166 00:09:56,360 --> 00:10:00,520 At the end of Notre Dame, we were really working with things. 167 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:04,640 And Chris and I works with looking at nutrition, looking at 168 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:07,480 that good balance of, hey, how much is too much, how much is 169 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:09,120 too little and how much are we fueling? 170 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,600 But after my last one at Notre Dame, I was like, OK, we really 171 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,200 got to sit down and figure out what's going on. 172 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:21,200 So no one, I went in a tangent, but really bouncing back and 173 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,240 finding different avenues from having different coaches. 174 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:28,080 So I guess 5 different coaching changes throughout college and 175 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:33,360 like finding a way to navigate how to make that all come 176 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,440 together and work for me. What were some of the injuries? 177 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:39,440 I guess what was the the injury sophomore year and I guess the 178 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,160 one that that knocked you out I guess after indoor 2025? 179 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:48,320 Bunch of stress fractures. The biggest one in like cross 180 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:54,960 and early in ASU was my tibia. And then I mean at Notre Dame I 181 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,040 fell at nutty Comb and got a concussion. 182 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:04,040 And so that like kind of took the season by by the reins and 183 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,080 still rent pretty decent. But like it was pretty tough 184 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,600 taking off a couple weeks at that that point of the season. 185 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,320 And then I guess at Notre Dame I would have which would have been 186 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,720 my senior season and also my last year of eligibility. 187 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,240 Again, I think we're just overtraining a little bit too 188 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,640 much and just under fueling. It was easy to look past because 189 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:27,480 running felt so easy, like running felt good. 190 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:32,880 And you get in that weird like spot where you're, hey, I'm 191 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,640 running really good. I'm going to keep going, but you 192 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:40,520 know that something is wrong. I was losing weight and we ended 193 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,320 up finding so my, it was in my femoral head. 194 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,600 I got a stress fracture, but we took an MRI and then it was 195 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:48,600 benign, thank God. But they found a tumor like 196 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,760 freak accent kind of thing, which has probably been there 197 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,000 forever, but where Chris and I were like, hey, let's let's back 198 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:00,320 off for a bit and just call it a season and figure things out. 199 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:05,080 And then we came back and indoor track was pretty solid and 200 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:08,840 that's how it went. Yeah, so you walk away after 201 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,520 that indoor season. What happens next? 202 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:15,840 I like volunteer assistant coached for for a while at Notre 203 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,000 Dame. I think that was my biggest take 204 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:21,480 away from that school is just how much of A community, how 205 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,440 much of a culture and like, I'd still call it the Notre Dame 206 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,960 family. It wasn't so like thankful and 207 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:30,360 grateful be able to be part of that. 208 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,360 I still talk to my team mates like everyday goof around with 209 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:40,400 them good and bad and talk to to Chris, to Jared. 210 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:45,000 And really, I don't know. It was a very supportive 211 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,680 environment to say the least. So really loved believing in 212 00:12:49,680 --> 00:12:52,640 what we were doing and also just loving the people that we were 213 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,400 around so. When you step into that role, 214 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:58,480 how much running are you doing day-to-day? 215 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:03,440 I really, so my last year, so I went to Notre Dame for two 216 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,760 years. I went of course, I was at 217 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:10,720 Arizona State from 19 to 23 and then I got my masters in science 218 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,240 and management my first year at Notre Dame, which was a one year 219 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,000 program. And that's where that big weird 220 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:26,640 thing of an injury came up. So had cross ran OK, it was 221 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:28,280 fine. It was nothing to really write 222 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:34,280 home about. But indoor came, indoor came and 223 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:36,600 went and then the other hit kind of blew up and we're like, hey, 224 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:42,120 let's we're going to step back. And I think I was trying to make 225 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,320 running pretty selfish. But then I was like, let's go 226 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,680 into a like a selfless role and really be there for my 227 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:50,480 teammates, help out coach because hey, we have a lot of 228 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,440 talented guys. We have a lot of talented guys 229 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,720 doing a lot of things. There's a lot of moving pieces 230 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,600 and I just wanted to be around it kind of the same thing as I'm 231 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,200 doing in the running store right now. 232 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,240 Like that I was doing is like, hey, running might not be like 233 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:10,880 the part of my life, but I want to bring it together and like be 234 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,280 with other people that are doing it and just be around it in 235 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,200 general. So that was kind of my route and 236 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,880 I just love my teammates. So I, I, I couldn't like just 237 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,560 sit there and watch practice and not help. 238 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,640 I felt like that was a little bit ridiculous, so. 239 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:26,600 Yeah, it sounds like at some point you just started thinking 240 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,440 like, this isn't just going to happen for me, but I still want 241 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:34,480 to be around it. And like, it's because you're so 242 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,200 young. I'm just trying to like piece 243 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:40,360 together sort of like what eventually led to the spark 244 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,480 coming back. Yeah, same thing kind of. 245 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:48,360 After ASU, I was a little bit burnout, wanted to do the longer 246 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:53,880 things, couldn't really get the traction on it so and end up 247 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,080 coming to Notre Dame. But I knew like after leaving, 248 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,040 after leaving ASUI had to take like a second to like breathe. 249 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:05,120 Like I feel like that is a really tough thing is you get 250 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,320 thrown in this environment that you're not used to. 251 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:08,760 It's the first time away from home. 252 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,760 Everything's just gung ho. I was like, you know, I need to 253 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:13,960 step back. I need to figure out what I'm 254 00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:18,120 doing and where to go from there, where to, how to be able 255 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,800 to grow. And that answer for me was Notre 256 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,200 Dame. And I think fast forwarding now 257 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:27,720 the same thing happened after Notre Dame is like, hey, we are 258 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,600 running better. We are seeing some progress, but 259 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:33,680 it still isn't working out. So I was like, hey, I'm I'm 260 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,960 going to step back. I really want to sit down and 261 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:38,080 look at the past, my whole running career as a whole at 262 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,680 this point, I've run six years in college, I've run four years 263 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,760 in high school, two years in middle school, whatever. 264 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:48,680 And I want to write a recipe that works for me, that's 265 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,480 repeatable. And I was like, hey, I, I think 266 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,600 I was always that guy that's like, hey, you're supposed to 267 00:15:54,600 --> 00:16:01,440 run 5 flat and I'm out in 440. So I was like, let, how can we 268 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:06,760 find a way to just like kind of train that happy medium? 269 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:13,120 How like slow hard can we go like, and not really ever push 270 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:15,440 that envelope, but like stick right under the line. 271 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:19,120 Like not at the line, but like just just under it. 272 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,720 And I think that was the answer I had and working at the 273 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,240 running. So I was like, hey, I'm, I'm 274 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:30,040 fine, I'm having fun. I'm not working that hard, but 275 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,600 eventually like stacked over time, being healthy. 276 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,400 I I think that's the name of the game. 277 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:38,200 Like the consistency, like consistency structure. 278 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,720 And then like, I guess when you put a race on the board 279 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,040 specifics, I think those three together, if you're consistent 280 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,120 about it, like I think that was the name of the game. 281 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,560 And it kind of jumped up and I ran like a, I'm not going to 282 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:55,320 call it a mom and pop half marathon, but it was, it was 1/2 283 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,920 marathon that we put on. And I was like, OK, we're going 284 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,600 to go run. We had to go run a fool. 285 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:05,280 Like we had to do something. OK, So there is 1/2 marathon out 286 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:07,760 there somewhere. The results online like can't 287 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,880 really track anything where it says like I think you've never 288 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:15,079 really raced a 10K on the roads. Don't I didn't see any sort of 289 00:17:15,079 --> 00:17:17,560 half marathon performance sort of on the board. 290 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:22,880 So I guess like you dove full in on on the marathon before we 291 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,040 dive into just sort of like so much of your Strava, which is 292 00:17:26,079 --> 00:17:28,319 fascinating. Where are you pulling? 293 00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:32,360 Just sort of like all of this training information because 294 00:17:32,360 --> 00:17:33,720 you're coaching yourself. Correct. 295 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,680 Yeah, I guess I'm coaching myself. 296 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:42,560 I'm using, I guess ideology from all of the all the coaches I've 297 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:45,640 had is 1. So it's like it's like, oh, like 298 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:48,000 how did you get past those? Like, dude, I I use things from 299 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,040 Corey. I use things from Henner Ryan, 300 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,160 Ray, Ryan Godfrey and Chris Neal, Jared's shots like all all 301 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:59,520 on one and I think everyone has those guys. 302 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:01,520 It's like they're always running 6 minute pace. 303 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,200 And quite honestly, I just think that's fun. 304 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,640 Like I like, I think that's the fun way to run. 305 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,680 I know it doesn't work for everyone. 306 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:13,240 It's not that fun, but I was like, you know, if I'm going to 307 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:16,200 do this running thing, I'm going to do it on my own terms. 308 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:20,320 I'm going to do it how I want to and how I like running is like, 309 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,920 hey, my easy ish days are like 540 to 550 by the end. 310 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,520 With that being said, like hey, that's how I like running. 311 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:35,280 If I want to work out, I want it consolidated early and like late 312 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,120 slash early in the week. So I have those next 5 days to 313 00:18:38,120 --> 00:18:40,480 recover. So it's like 2 days of workouts 314 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,320 and then everything else is getting ready, really 315 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,040 strengthening. So taking a lot of stuff that I 316 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:49,360 learned from the weight room a day issue, throwing that into 317 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,160 like I was in the weight room at like the big chunk of the block 318 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:54,680 probably three to four times a week. 319 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,560 And really nutrition was my big thing. 320 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,960 I was like, oh, like, have I had enough today? 321 00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:06,280 And I'll have two more meals like entrees, whatever, but I 322 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:09,600 don't know, we can get back into some some of that stuff. 323 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,480 But back to the the half. So technically wasn't 1/2. 324 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,920 It was like. Oh, it was short. 325 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,000 I think I saw. This on yeah, it was 12 points, 326 00:19:18,120 --> 00:19:21,240 like 12 and 3/4 of a mile. But like, dude. 327 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,600 So the last two K is like we call it the staircase. 328 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:29,240 So you go up to big hills and then the last K is just the last 329 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:35,480 3/4 of a mile is just like that. I I never felt at a point 330 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:39,560 yesterday, the point I felt in that half marathon, it was 331 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,760 brutal. So hills are a big thing here to 332 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,520 go to Pittsburgh a lot and do some long runs with the PTC 333 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:48,600 guys. I I understand. 334 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,200 I guess like you're pulling from your past experience with a 335 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:55,280 variety of different coaches, but like at at no point are you 336 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:58,880 just sort of are you texting Corey or anyone like consulting 337 00:19:58,920 --> 00:20:01,680 with anybody. Like, I guess paint the picture 338 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,960 for me of how you goes, you know, on a Sunday or Monday, 339 00:20:05,360 --> 00:20:09,920 drawing up the rest of your your your week ahead or so I I don't 340 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:12,000 really reach. Out a lot just because hey, 341 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,920 everyone's busy no one cares about the guy you're in 1334 in 342 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:23,120 college and ran the mile. So I pretty much just have like 343 00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:27,840 guidelines with with working probably like. 30. 344 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:33,600 Ish 40 ish hours a week. I like the flexibility for 345 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,920 myself to not get into that. Hey, I have to do this today. 346 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:42,120 It has to be this pace. I think the blessing that I had 347 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:45,440 was the weather in Ohio being so God awful. 348 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:49,520 I think my first like 800 miles this year were just on the 349 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,480 treadmill minus maybe like long runs from like I have to get 350 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,040 outside. So I really put everything on a 351 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,760 controlled environment. And Sundays and Tuesdays were my 352 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,280 big days. Everything was getting ready for 353 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,760 those. So I had, especially on Tuesday, 354 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,840 my double threshold sessions, I had to set an amount of volume 355 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:09,480 slash minutes. So I'd be like. 356 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:13,960 I wanted a. 100 minutes roughly of threshold work. 357 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:16,760 How do we how do we dish that out? 358 00:21:17,360 --> 00:21:18,600 How are we coming off the long run? 359 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,240 How's the body feeling Are we working today? 360 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,000 Thankfully I, I got every Tuesday off for a double 361 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:29,720 threshold, but how is my body recovering if it's feeling good 362 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,280 yeah we'll we'll do a 10 mile tempo in the morning on the 363 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,240 treadmill come back in the evening do 8 minute reps or 364 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:37,480 something. If it's not feeling great, then 365 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,640 hey, let's do 4 by 10 minutes in the morning, 4 by 10 minutes in 366 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,240 in in the evening or something, something along those 367 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,280 guidelines. So I always had like a, a volume 368 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,480 to hit. Never really thought about 369 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,360 paces. Don't have a lactate monitor or 370 00:21:53,360 --> 00:21:55,600 anything like that, especially in Planet Fitness that gets a 371 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,680 little bit weird. But I, I had some guidelines or 372 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,360 in like long runs. Hey, I, I wanted to go pretty 373 00:22:02,360 --> 00:22:04,040 far in my long runs. I've never run a marathon. 374 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,600 I have no idea. I, I'm like, I, I'm seeing what 375 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,240 everyone's doing. I'm seeing what's that Rory, 376 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:15,280 Rory's doing stuttering Zuhair collector, like all, all the 377 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,680 guys. So not really basing anything 378 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:20,600 off of that 'cause I'm just doing my own stuff. 379 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,480 But realizing like how much of your long run has to be a 380 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:29,880 workout? And I think my biggest thing was 381 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,680 not working out that hard and just seeing we're just going to 382 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:37,520 run a lot of miles on Sunday, a lot of miles on Tuesday, hit the 383 00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,080 zones I want to hit and just learn how to run on fatigue legs 384 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,560 for the rest of the week and run that 540 that hey, instead of 7 385 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,680 flat, just moping around, like not moping around, but 386 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,840 everything I ran, I ran 110 other guys around 130. 387 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,400 A 110 of those miles are all going to be quality. 388 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:58,720 There's not shoot you can look at my showers probably until 389 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:04,360 these last couple weeks, 22 to 5 miles over 7 minute pace and it 390 00:23:04,360 --> 00:23:05,920 might have been a cool down after a run. 391 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:10,480 Like everything I did was with purpose for a reason. 392 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,000 So I don't know if that answers a little bit. 393 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,000 No, it does. And, and, and we'll, we'll get 394 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,840 into some more specifics shortly because I, it was when I was 395 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,320 looking at it, there was one that the 110 week averages out 396 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,680 by 45 pace. And I was like, something's 397 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,800 wrong here. But then like, if you look at it 398 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,240 exactly like, no, it, it was, I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm still just 399 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,800 sort of trying to make sense of so much of it. 400 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:40,160 It's just so fascinating to me. All right, so in, in the CDs Mac 401 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,360 group chat, we were obsessing over your Strava last night. 402 00:23:42,360 --> 00:23:47,680 So I want you to, I guess, talk about a couple of these 5.6 403 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,920 miles at 548 pace the day before. 404 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,320 Now it just sort of with the additional context, it just 405 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,120 seems like that's your, that's your. 406 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:56,400 Yeah, it's just the. Pace I run on an easy day. 407 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:57,720 Yeah. And you? 408 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,840 Said you felt nuclear. So I mean, expand on that for a 409 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,560 second. What do you mean by that? 410 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,560 So. I think of course, I've never 411 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,800 done a marathon taper before and like I was planning on like 412 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,880 doing like a short one because I mean, I did that half. 413 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:21,000 It was like, I think it was like around the same time that like 414 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:26,080 USA, like half was as well, same kind of elevate, like 900 feet 415 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,200 of elevation, almost 1000 feet of elevation. 416 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,120 And of course it was short, but I'm like, I still would have ran 417 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:34,520 like 62 something. And I was like, that was the 418 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:37,880 middle of like 105 mile a week. So I'm like, I feel like I don't 419 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:42,000 want to back off too much. I don't want to like really tank 420 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:48,400 things down and feel sluggish. And I went from 110 to 90 and 421 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,680 then it was going to be like 85 that got like everything got 422 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:56,440 cancelled. So my legs were kind of feeling 423 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,120 like crunchy. I think it worked out for the 424 00:25:00,120 --> 00:25:02,560 best. Had an extra week to like really 425 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:06,400 get into things and do short workouts. 426 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:11,120 Really just click off some, I don't know, put some softballs 427 00:25:11,120 --> 00:25:13,040 in the tee and just hit some home runs. 428 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,880 In every single. Run like from there I was like, 429 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,120 OK, like I finally feel the taper. 430 00:25:19,120 --> 00:25:21,440 Like that extra week I was like, I finally feel the taper like 431 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,320 tapering every workout felt good. 432 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,920 Every run felt good. Hey, I'm in Youngstown, the race 433 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,640 is in Toledo. It's a 2 1/2 hour drive. 434 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,400 There is no fatigue for travel whatsoever. 435 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,520 It was as controlled as it could have been. 436 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:42,560 But yeah, that like the run yesterday like or I guess 2 days 437 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:47,440 ago the the pre meet like hey, I think I was going to do like 30 438 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,200 ish minutes and then a minute pick up and two by stride. 439 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,200 And then I don't know, I just felt fast. 440 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,360 Like I feel like I was training. I've been training for the 441 00:25:57,360 --> 00:26:00,840 marathon, but like even the 110 mile weeks, I have like 8 mile 442 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,960 days in there, 8 to 9 mile days. I feel like it can run a fast 443 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,280 mile in like 2 weeks if I needed to. 444 00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,960 So that was other things. I just want to feel fast and 445 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,960 make keep that pace ceiling so high. 446 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:20,440 That 5 minute pace really isn't like that bad five days before. 447 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,280 You were closing, you ripped a couple 2 hundreds closing in 26. 448 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,680 Yeah, that was. That was where I knew that 449 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,080 something fun was going to happen this week because I've 450 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:32,960 been like one 50s every Monday just to get ready, like flush 451 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,360 out the legs from long run to double threshold on Tuesday. 452 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,800 I've been running like, I mean, it's on a, on a road in front of 453 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,840 the store that I kind of mapped out to 150 meters. 454 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,720 And like I haven't been able to break like 21 or 20 on it in a 455 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,000 while. And then I was like, OK, well, I 456 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,600 just closed this workout in the 26. 457 00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,600 Like the legs, my legs are finally back under me after like 458 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,080 callousing and just pounding and being fatigued for so long. 459 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,760 That was a fun one too, that that was where I was like, OK, 460 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:08,880 legs are finally feeling great. I also don't run. 461 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,680 I think I can count on one hand the amount of times I ran in a 462 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:17,000 plated shoe the whole block. That's another thing like I 463 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,800 don't know if it makes a difference or not, but I just 464 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,480 knew like hey, if, if I can run 5 minute pace for all these long 465 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,440 runs or or under. Like. 466 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,720 Anywhere from 4:50 to five minute pace in the Mega Blast, 467 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:34,600 which is an unplated shoe. It's just like they're super 468 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,000 trainer. Then when I put on some plated 469 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,120 shoes, at least like at the back of my mind, I know I'm going to 470 00:27:40,120 --> 00:27:43,600 get a couple seconds or at least have a fresh pair of shoes. 471 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,840 That's not beaten to the ground. Yeah. 472 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:47,680 Wait, so how? Much. 473 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,200 Do you? You're saying a majority of your 474 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,560 training is done in non super shoes? 475 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:56,680 Yeah. I so I I wore super shoes for 476 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:03,080 that half one mile of a workout before it I ran a four mile race 477 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,120 like from our store in the middle of January. 478 00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:11,840 So I probably have 20 miles 25 with like testing out like the 479 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,000 the shoes the other day, 25 miles the whole block we're in 480 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:22,120 like plated shoes, but like it even this. 19 Miller at 531. 481 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:26,600 Seven days out, yeah. That so I put on that was on the 482 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,440 treadmill. I I put those on for like the 483 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,880 the pickup in between. I think I did 15 minutes just to 484 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,760 test out the shoes again. So yeah, like the the middle or 485 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,800 I guess not the middle three, but the three past that 75 486 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,040 minute progression into it was in super shoes. 487 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,960 Wow, yeah, 'cause I mean, we, we're going, we were going 488 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,240 through all this. We scrolled all the way back 489 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,160 November 8th. You ran 20 miles at 5:37. 490 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,000 And in the caption, I think you said something about like, you 491 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,960 should maybe start looking for a race. 492 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:03,000 Yeah, still at that point, no big plans of a spring marathon. 493 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,080 And another part is just sort of how did we end up targeting 494 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:12,480 Carmel and and then this Glass City and not, you know, try a 495 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:16,120 bigger stage. I, I did start training like 496 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:22,080 last, I guess the the latter part of last year and after a 497 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,360 while I was like, oh, I want to go run the Phoenix half and 498 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,920 then. Things were starting. 499 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:29,960 To I was, I was like, I feel like I'm training a little bit 500 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,520 too hard. I'm just very tired. 501 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,120 And I was like, you know what, I think I'm in a great spot right 502 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,040 now where I don't have to run anything. 503 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,960 So I'm just like, I'm just going to take two weeks off like I'm 504 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,200 tired. I'm just going to. 505 00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:43,160 I was like, all right if I'm not. 506 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,840 Going to do Phoenix in December then. 507 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,880 I mean, there's no races in January, There's no races in 508 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,040 February, like hardly March. So I'm like, I'm just going to 509 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:56,120 take two weeks off, recover, get my legs back under me, and I 510 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:59,040 guess enjoy the winter, enjoy the holiday season too, because 511 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,200 they had nothing tied to this running thing right now. 512 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,560 And then just see where it goes from there. 513 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:10,600 But yeah, I guess the lead up to Carmel, selfishly enough, I'd 514 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,960 missed my teammates. I haven't seen them in a while. 515 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,400 I knew I hadn't. I wasn't going to see them in a 516 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,000 while because they're busy. They're all doing things. 517 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,520 They're still in school. So it's like, hey, Carmel, IN is 518 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,800 like right here and Notre Dame's up here. 519 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,440 I just, I was going to stop, get dinner with everyone and then 520 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,800 just go run. The marathon Fitness progressed 521 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:32,680 to the point where I knew I was going to run something pretty 522 00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,840 quick and then it got cancelled and. 523 00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,880 We were scrambling for. A couple hours and we have a 524 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,360 store in Toledo as well. So Matt Folk was like, hey, do 525 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:45,920 you want to come around Glass City? 526 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,200 I was like, when is it? He's like next week. 527 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,160 I said, all right, let's go, like let's do it. 528 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,640 That's fine. Like all the guys anyway weren't 529 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,440 like Brian Clay killing it or somewhere else. 530 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,840 So I wasn't going to be able to see him anyway. 531 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,040 And I because I wasn't planning. I was just kind of doing things 532 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:02,240 for the moment. I was like, oh, I'll just stop 533 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,960 and see him. None of them were in town, so 534 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,480 you're watching. I guess like so many of these 535 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:14,520 other performances like Houston, NYC, half, like these places 536 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:20,000 where these pros are putting up, you know, very solid times even 537 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,640 the week before Boston. Are you just sort of? 538 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:27,560 Sitting back being like, I know where my fitness is, but you 539 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,160 actually like have never measured yourself up against any 540 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,640 of them. So like, what's it like to sit 541 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,200 on like one of the biggest secrets in US distance, running 542 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,880 from afar, watching all this unfold? 543 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:44,080 I mean, it's strange. Not that I knew I was sitting on 544 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:45,840 it. I had no idea I was sitting on a 545 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,760 2O5. But like that's the weird thing. 546 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:51,960 Coming out of college is like, hey, you know what a good 10K 547 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,000 time is? You know what a good 5K time is? 548 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,760 I've tried to like I thought I was in 1310 shape at one point, 549 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,440 but hey, that's the first race back of the season. 550 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,600 Haven't raced in a year. Things happen. 551 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,920 You don't know what a good marathon time is like you put 552 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,160 you, you put in perspective like, hey, 28 flat for the the 553 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,360 10K that like to get to the trials that that's a pretty 554 00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:19,440 decent mark as a 22 year old. And then you look at the 555 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,800 equivalent for the marathon. You're like, OK, that's 216. 556 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,640 You're like, OK, well that that's. 557 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,240 The same like. Like I was like 28 flats like 558 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:30,600 that. That's a tough mark. 559 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,160 I I thought I could get it in college. 560 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:37,280 Never ran a 10K but like. I didn't know what a good 10. 561 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:41,040 K time or a good half marathon time was or a good marathon time 562 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,840 was because I it wasn't on my radar. 563 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:48,040 I've always been great at long runs, just locking in, even on 564 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,680 treadmills, just sitting there for an hour and 45 two hours. 565 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,680 So I was like, hey, like, let's go see what this thing is. 566 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:59,040 I think, of course, everyone says don't compare yourself to 567 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,240 other people, but then like people start running things. 568 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,120 You're like, I get it and I don't want to compare myself, 569 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,600 but I'm like. Shoot, I feel like they're. 570 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,720 Not 15 minutes faster. They're like, I feel like in 571 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,360 America, they're like, they're not 5 minutes faster. 572 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,480 They're not like 10 minutes faster or whatever. 573 00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:20,400 So you're like, where does that bubble get to where you just, I 574 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,040 know not to compare, but like, I also think the beautiful part 575 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:29,720 about yesterday and I guess I the marathon has done a lot of 576 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:36,120 cool things for me in the past 30 hours, But like I didn't 577 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:37,880 respect it at all. Like I didn't respect the 578 00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:39,680 distance. I have no idea what it is. 579 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:44,560 I don't like I've been on like the trials qualifier pace for 22 580 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:50,920 of the long run, but like past 22 will look, I have no clue 581 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,720 where where any of that is. So I was just like, you know 582 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:54,960 what, I'm just going to be selfish if I blow up. 583 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,160 No one's watching anyway. If like it, it is what it is and 584 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,000 just go out there and have fun. I was goofing around with my 585 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,840 friend Tyler the whole week and we just I was like, it's it's a 586 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,080 business trip for sure, but it's also just like an exploration of 587 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,920 the distance and like figuring out like hey, am IA marathoner 588 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,679 or should we go back down to the five, the 10, think about the 589 00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:22,440 mile again. So that was a cool little 590 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,000 confirmation yesterday. This episode of the. 591 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,199 Cities My podcast is presented by Wahoo. 592 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,199 If you've been. 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And then I guess like it is just 647 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,280 super helpful that for a lot of. Pros like. 648 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,880 Their training is on Strava. You can see all of Rory's stuff, 649 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,360 all of Zuhair stuff, all of Ethan's stuff. 650 00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:50,920 And so, yeah, I guess like no one, no one, no one really was 651 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,840 paying attention to to what you were doing. 652 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,840 And I guess I, I, I very rarely find myself just kind of mind 653 00:37:56,840 --> 00:38:00,400 blown by somebody's performance. But you've managed to to do 654 00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,080 that, I guess. When it came to the actual race, 655 00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:06,200 what was the game plan? I wrote my. 656 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,440 Of course, like I wrote what I thought marathon training was. 657 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:12,000 I didn't really know what it was. 658 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,440 I honestly the biggest thing I looked at the other great 659 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:20,800 Americans or like of course Rory Canadian, like what they're 660 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,800 doing was their taper 'cause I was like, I don't know what a 661 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,280 taper is in, in college we raced like 8 * a year. 662 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,400 Like like how like we're tapering for one race. 663 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,960 What do you mean like, like instead of hey, here's a 664 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,280 checkpoint at Raleigh Relays or something? 665 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:41,240 So I just wrote what I feel like in college, I got really fit a 666 00:38:41,240 --> 00:38:43,280 lot. I could never really put it 667 00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,440 together and stay healthy. So that was my big thing about 668 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,360 like, hey, we just need to put something together that we can 669 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,720 do to stay healthy. It can be repeatable and 670 00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:57,000 honestly like just not that hard. 671 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,640 Like running those, running those easy days moderate, which 672 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:06,720 ended up making them feel easy. So just the consistency of that 673 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:11,280 learning to run on fatigue legs. Sunday long run anywhere from 22 674 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,800 to 25. And then yeah, there's 25 to 27 675 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,400 mile Tuesdays for double threshold. 676 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,880 I don't know if you want to call it threshold, tempo, whatever, 677 00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,640 but being close to what that marathon effort was for, I was 678 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:30,320 like, hey, if I can run an hour and 40 minute hour and yeah, an 679 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:35,280 hour and 40 minutes roughly on a Tuesday after a long run at what 680 00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,200 I perceive marathon pace or marathon effort to be. 681 00:39:39,720 --> 00:39:41,960 With 70. Miles in three days and then 682 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:46,600 recover from there I feel like I can at least get to 22 that that 683 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,520 was kind of like The thing is like I think the day before I 684 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,400 realized like hey I'm ready to run something faster. 685 00:39:54,240 --> 00:39:59,840 Thankfully we had Boston the week before and I mean Charles 686 00:39:59,880 --> 00:40:03,520 O'Hare and all of them rewrote everyone rewrote everything. 687 00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,960 So it was one of those, hey, I mean, not that they're doing 688 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,880 this, but I'm like two O 8's, not the standard like two O 8's, 689 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:18,120 not that thing anymore. So I was like it, It's not like 690 00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,880 that super unattainable. Like it shoot, it went down by 4 691 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,640 minutes. So I thought I was like, hey, 692 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,680 like I think on a perfect day I can run 210 like. 693 00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:31,160 Yeah, like, I really haven't run in that pace. 694 00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:34,120 I haven't really thrown all of my fitness into one day and 695 00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:38,600 never really went super hard on any workouts ever other than two 696 00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:43,320 hill workouts I threw up on. But I just knew I was I was 697 00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,320 going to take it 10K by 10K, like, hey, let's let's go. 10K 698 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,400 at what, 10K running, Just backing off. 699 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,240 Like honestly what the half marathon effort was. 700 00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:55,920 I got through like 11 miles before the hills and I was like, 701 00:40:56,240 --> 00:41:00,880 I feel like I can do that. Like it was 445 or so until 11. 702 00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:04,440 I was like, I feel like I can do that for 20 1/2. 703 00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:08,920 So I was like, I'm going to stay around 5 minute pace 455 for the 704 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,920 1st 10. Try and squeeze a little. 705 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:16,280 Bit every 10 squeezed a little bit from 10 to 20 K got to 706 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,520 there. I don't have any time on my 707 00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:19,840 watch. It's just average pace and 708 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,760 current pace. So I just like had a hey, if 709 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:27,280 I'm, if I'm anywhere in between 4:50 and 4:55 or 5 minutes, I'm 710 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,560 good. And then the next 10K if I'm 5 711 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:34,520 minute, 4:45 to 4:50 to 4:55 on the watch, I'm fine. 712 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,320 Like that's great. And just kind of was like at 713 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,640 like half, I think it was like half. 714 00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:45,360 I was like, hey, maybe I should take a 5K like a little like 715 00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,600 just ease off a little bit because I was like, I feel 716 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,680 great. But again, I don't know what 717 00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:55,000 that everyone says the 20 mile mark like that's that's halfway. 718 00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,320 I was like, I don't know what that is. 719 00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,800 So I was just taking it like, hey here, all right, give me 720 00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,160 give myself another 5K squeeze a little bit more. 721 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:11,400 I think at around 30 Ki was like, OK, I started to realize 722 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,520 I, I was trying to like do mental math, but I was nothing 723 00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,000 was working in my brain other than like, hey, just get to the 724 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,960 next, next bottle station. Of course there's no one there. 725 00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,200 So it's like, get to the next bottle station, take as many 726 00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:27,480 carbs as we can get, as many as we can stomach spit as many 727 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,040 carbs on your glasses as you can so you can't see and then pitch 728 00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,800 them at pitch them. At that point I was sitting 729 00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,120 there was like, OK, we're, we're, we're coming up on 20 730 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,200 soon. Like they're talking about this 731 00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:42,200 big hill at 18 and like, I got to like 21 and I was like, wait, 732 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,200 like I, I missed all these mile markers and I was like, OK, 733 00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:49,560 we're I was like, I feel like I could push a little bit more and 734 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,320 then. That like I was. 735 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,880 I was at that red line for that probably like last 8 miles for 736 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,280 sure. At 22 I, I told my buddy Ian I 737 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,640 was like, I feel like my legs are a little bit closer to the 738 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,240 ground than I would like them to be. 739 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:07,120 So I like I had like a backup like Martin 100 like caffeine 740 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,360 gel. I was like, I'm going to take 741 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,000 half of this and see how this feels like. 742 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:12,920 And then out of nowhere I was at 25 and there was a lot. 743 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:16,440 It was a long last 2K. It was a long last 2K. 744 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:20,840 It felt like if it was 27 miles, it would have been a over half 745 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,720 last two miles that. Was one thing I was so curious 746 00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:27,360 about is just like, as someone who'd never tested the distance 747 00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,120 before, like how did you know when to push or that even that 748 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,840 you would be capable of it? And it seemed like you took it 749 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,440 from pretty far out and took a big gamble and it all ended up 750 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,840 sort of paying off. And I also presume that just 751 00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:47,080 because it's the Glass City, you know, Marathon, that there isn't 752 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,840 as many clocks along the course. So you had no. 753 00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:53,400 Idea that some no clocks extraordinary was happening no. 754 00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:58,600 I mean, I race plan was, hey, I I'm going to go out and see if I 755 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,240 can run 2O92, maybe squeak down to two O 8 today. 756 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,600 Probably going to run 210 because everyone's like hey, go 757 00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:08,120 out a little bit quick and die into it. 758 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,920 Like, but I wanted to make sure like, hey, let's go out. 759 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:16,560 How how even can we make this like shoot, I can do what they 760 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,360 did like at Boston. Like I'm not saying I can't do 761 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,120 it, but I'm like, I don't want to go out in the 429. 762 00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:25,520 I don't want to go out in 435. I was like I just want to make. 763 00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:28,560 This unknown. Distance feel as short as 764 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,920 possible, like I'm taking no me, I'm taking bicarb. 765 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,560 I'm doing everything I need to do during those strides the day 766 00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,920 before is like OK, so this first that first ten Ki just want to 767 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,480 feel clicky. I want to get to the point where 768 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,920 OK, now it's just now it's 20 like it's like OK, get to a 769 00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,480 point after the first 10K where it's like not even it's starting 770 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:48,960 now. It was like, OK, I have 20 miles 771 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:53,040 left and then I almost wanted to be at 8 miles. 772 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,600 That's where I was like, OK, it's it's, it's an 18 mile race. 773 00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:01,000 So how, how far, how, how comfortably can we get to that 774 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:06,320 point to just make it 18 where that that's a reasonable number 775 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,440 in my head. Like I I've done 18 miles for 776 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,440 the past. Three years for. 777 00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,280 Long runs. So I'm like, OK, I, I can do 778 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:15,640 that. And especially at a pace that's 779 00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:20,600 a lot faster, like shoot, that's an hour and a half. 780 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,880 So it's like, it's like I can do it for an hour and a half. 781 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,040 So it's like just get to that hour and a half point to go and 782 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,800 then start getting a little bit selfish. 783 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:30,160 Get get a little bit greedy because you don't know what's 784 00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,920 going on. And if you blow up, you blow up. 785 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,040 No one's watching, no one cares. All right, you, you. 786 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,560 You brought up some of the stuff that you use in training. 787 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:43,120 What's the protocol I guess for you like and the the plan you 788 00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:48,040 had for yourself around fueling every gel drink. 789 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,760 I mean you, you even included, I guess no, me of that comes 790 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,440 before I guess the effort. So walk me through just sort of 791 00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,200 your thought plan and reasoning for it. 792 00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:01,000 Yeah. Honestly, I, I, I've done a lot 793 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:05,040 of fueling on long runs, especially I, I kind of 794 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:10,120 mentioned it earlier, I drive down to North Park every Sunday 795 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,920 to go around with the PTC guys. It's just a five mile rolling 796 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,840 hill loop, so we'll do workouts on it. 797 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,080 Anything from like 10 by mile on, mile off, a couple push 798 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:22,880 miles, two mile repeats, whatever. 799 00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:27,320 It's a lot of fun, but I don't really, I don't carry around a 800 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,760 bottle or anything. So it's like, hey, every 5 miles 801 00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,800 you're going to grab a gel, which is a little bit longer 802 00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,320 than I'd like. So the biggest time, that 19 803 00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,640 mile long run was probably like the biggest time where I'm like, 804 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:45,280 I really need to figure out my fueling and it was after work. 805 00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,800 It was like kind of nice outside. 806 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:49,640 And then it was like pouring down rain. 807 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,520 I think I started my run for 15 seconds outside and I was like, 808 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:57,320 I'm not going to get any more fit from running outside right 809 00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:01,920 now, but I can learn how to use bottles and run using bottles. 810 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:05,240 So it's like grabbed all my like, I went to Hobby Lobby next 811 00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:09,840 door, Planet Fitness, grabbed my bottles, went there, had four of 812 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,240 them sitting up on the treadmill and I was like, I just wanted to 813 00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:16,960 overload my system. I was like, how much? 814 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:18,800 Like how I was like, I just wanted to figure out like, how 815 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,640 much is too much? I was like, I know I'm going to 816 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:22,520 be on the treadmill for this, this amount of time. 817 00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:24,200 It's going to be grueling. It's going to be boring. 818 00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,320 And how many carbs can I take in And then like feel sluggish. 819 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:29,880 And I didn't really get to that point. 820 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:34,240 I feel like my gut's been pretty resilient, thankfully, but 821 00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:37,880 fueling strategy during the race, Of course, it's my first 822 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,120 marathon. I, I knew there was a marathon 823 00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:41,760 Expo. I didn't realize you dropped off 824 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,040 the bottles at the Expo the day before. 825 00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:45,320 I don't know what I was thinking. 826 00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,600 So I think 15 minutes before that meeting, I'm sitting in my 827 00:47:48,600 --> 00:47:51,320 car like pouring different Martens into each bottle. 828 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:55,800 And I knew I had to like, I, I use the Martin 320 mix with like 829 00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,160 a little bit of element for flavor and just a little bit of 830 00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,760 extra sodium. I knew it wouldn't take down 831 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,560 each bottle. I probably took down 150 832 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:12,120 milliliters at each stop at 10K10 and a half, 15.2 and 19.8. 833 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:16,360 And then I switched off between like I took a couple. 834 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,360 My last two bottles were caffeinated thankfully and was 835 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,440 just putting stickers on them at that point. 836 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,720 And then I switched off between like Marten gels and the never 837 00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:29,840 second gels as well. The never second gels were just 838 00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,960 like it's like a little bit thicker of a Gatorade. 839 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:35,400 It's super easy to open and it's just like push and go like it 840 00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,560 it, it's pretty easy. Like within a second those ones 841 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,320 are down. So those ones were like the 842 00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:44,240 early parts of the early parts of the race. 30 grams of carbs 843 00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:46,280 really fast. Don't have to think about 844 00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,000 anything. Again, like how, how far in the 845 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:53,200 race can we get very controlled and not really thinking at all? 846 00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,680 Of course there's not. Anyone I I was planning on like 847 00:48:57,680 --> 00:48:59,720 the half guys going a little bit further. 848 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:02,560 I can't blame them. You if you want to go out and 849 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,720 run 216, you go out and run it pretty even. 850 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,840 So yeah, don't go out with a guy like an idiot running 455 early. 851 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:17,040 So yeah, I was like, how far into this race with fueling can 852 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,360 I get without like really stressing out? 853 00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:22,520 And I think those more than anything, like those moderate 854 00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:27,320 days past the two big days, it just felt like one of those days 855 00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,320 up until maybe 45 minutes. So that that's where I was like, 856 00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:35,040 OK, this is this is going good. No bicarb. 857 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:36,320 Oh, I. Did. 858 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:37,720 Yeah, I did bicarb in the morning. 859 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,720 I've done it probably a little bit in college, a couple long 860 00:49:43,720 --> 00:49:47,400 runs just to test it out. But yeah, bicarbonomio for sure. 861 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,560 Again, everything's about just how far another race can we get. 862 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,680 Like of course it's a buffer for lactate. 863 00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,600 I don't know if you're supposed to use it for the marathon. 864 00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:01,120 I've seen a couple people use it and it was like, hey, it never 865 00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:05,160 bothers my system. So I'm like, if, if it's not 866 00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,200 hurting me in my eyes, I think it's helping. 867 00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,200 It's like, hey, if it's going to buffer lactate, cool. 868 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,480 That's just one more thing that can get me a little bit further 869 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:18,680 without getting to that point where I'm redlining, no? 870 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:21,800 Lead pack, no rabbits, no one to chase. 871 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:27,840 I guess from the mental side of things, where does your mind go 872 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,400 for those 26 miles? So I. 873 00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,880 Got like that first 10K of course I was like there there 874 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,520 was a live feed of it all. So there was a golf cart which 875 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:39,600 kept getting close and then far and close and far. 876 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,160 But then there was a guy on a bike too that was kind of off 877 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:45,680 this way. But like that first like 2 miles 878 00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,760 I was like, I want to be able to like be able to have a 879 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,960 conversation. So I'd be like, I was like, hey 880 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,240 man, like what's your name? Like I think we're going to be 881 00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:56,440 together for a while because after like the 1st 200 meters, 882 00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,720 it was pretty solo. But then I was thinking I was 883 00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:01,600 like, hey, like everything I do is alone like this. 884 00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,560 That, that's, that's I guess that goes back to why I picked 885 00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,680 caramel. And I guess then Toledo is like 886 00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:10,600 all of my stuff is pretty much alone. 887 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:11,840 It. I just wanted to look at it. 888 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:15,440 It's like another day, but just a little bit harder and a little 889 00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:20,240 bit earlier in the morning too. But I think it was mentally 890 00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:23,680 easier than sitting staring at a wall in a mirror and Planet 891 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,400 Fitness. So that's where I was at. 892 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,080 She was like, Hey, this is like, this is fun. 893 00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:32,000 Like this is the fun part. So like I didn't really know the 894 00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:33,760 course, like the back of my hand or anything. 895 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,720 I didn't really know it quite at all. 896 00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,280 But so that was the fun part. I was like, Hey, I'm just going 897 00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,560 to kind of roll with the punches and enjoy. 898 00:51:42,720 --> 00:51:46,840 Like I was just enjoying running and that's really the the 899 00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:52,040 backbone of what was going on. Like I was just smiling and my 900 00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,000 parents haven't seen me race in a long time. 901 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,160 So seeing them like at 5K was like really cool knowing they 902 00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:01,080 were there never being in that that marathon invite, like just 903 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:05,480 soaking it all in seeing, hey, you see these, these cool races. 904 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,360 I'm like, I'm finally here. This is sick. 905 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,880 Like what's going on? OK, you you keep. 906 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,240 Bringing up Planet Fitness, I need to ask or sort of like have 907 00:52:12,240 --> 00:52:14,200 people made it? You know, I guess when Parker 908 00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,680 Valley came on this podcast and she talked about the Arc trainer 909 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,800 and being at like the University of Florida's or like the 910 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,640 whatever their their gym is, how like they would have to mop up 911 00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:26,760 just like all of the sweat from the Arc trainer afterwards, big 912 00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,800 puddles. And I guess like, so you've got 913 00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:31,840 the running store, but then seems like you're also putting 914 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,800 in shifts at Planet Fitness. Yeah, I mean. 915 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,480 That's where most of the train, I mean, that's where it had to 916 00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:42,320 be like the roads were iced hard, could hardly see them. 917 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,560 It was bitter cold, windy, and I was just like, I just don't want 918 00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,960 to get my body in a point where it's stressing too much. 919 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:52,040 So that's again, just keeping everything as controlled as 920 00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:54,960 possible. But like, hey, I like running 921 00:52:55,120 --> 00:53:01,000 like I, I like running 540I like running 545 on like for average 922 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,800 in my runs. So it's like if I go out and do 923 00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:08,720 that when it's 3° outside and I can't see and I can't breathe, 924 00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:13,040 like we're getting well over that that threshold of it being 925 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,920 comfortable so that the treadmill is a good way to 926 00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,480 control my environment and. Do what I wanted. 927 00:53:19,480 --> 00:53:22,160 But yeah, I definitely was. It planted a lot like lifting 928 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,360 and doing that. And that was the other cool 929 00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:28,680 thing is, hey, don't have a set practice time. 930 00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,280 You can kind of see how most of my runs are actually in the 931 00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,840 evening. So it's like if I woke up and I 932 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,120 was feeling good and I had time before work, I'd go. 933 00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:40,240 But if not, then hey, let's go to work, let's loosen up the 934 00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:45,120 legs, go up and down the stairs 55 times and then take a nap 935 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,280 after work maybe and just head out and go do the thing at 936 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:52,640 Planet or run outside when it finally got nice about a month 937 00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:55,680 ago. On the topic of like your, your 938 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:57,800 social life, you got a lot of friends, like you've shattered 939 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,040 out a ton of a ton of buddies like along the way. 940 00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,520 So it doesn't even feel like you're that much of A like 941 00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:07,280 marathon monk where it comes like your whole life is working 942 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,920 and running and repeat every single day. 943 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,440 Like I guess how do you keep sort of also like the balance of 944 00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:19,400 a, a social life because. This running thing isn't like of 945 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,600 course it's serious, but I'm like, I'm it's just running like 946 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:25,600 it's in days like it's just running. 947 00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:27,760 I'll be mindful about what I'm doing. 948 00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,680 I'm not going to do some crazy stuff, but if my buddies want to 949 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:35,680 go to the the bar and play pool for a couple hours, like, yeah, 950 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,320 I'm going like I, I'm not going to do anything crazy, but I, I 951 00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:42,200 feel like there's the conversation where like there 952 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,280 has to be balance. Like you can't just be all in 953 00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,960 on. I mean you can be all in on 954 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:51,640 right of course, But like I think having fun, especially 955 00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:53,600 where. This. 956 00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:57,960 Project of a marathon, like I'm not that I've thought of it like 957 00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,120 that, but like this idea of a marathon is like just so 958 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,560 foreign. I'm like, I just was like not 959 00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:08,640 thinking super deep about it and just doing just stacking and 960 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,720 stacking and stacking and just having fun and enjoying the 961 00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:14,200 process along the way if that makes sense. 962 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,840 When you cross the finish. Line and you see 205. 963 00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,120 What's the first thought? I just did. 964 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:20,680 Like, of course, I only had paid. 965 00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:23,120 I never saw a single like time on my watch. 966 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:25,840 Like I had average pace and current pace. 967 00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,600 So of course I was looking in five second increments. 968 00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,760 I'm like, all right, if it says 450, it's anywhere from 4:50 to 969 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:36,240 4:54 or 4 and 440. The same thing in my head. 970 00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:40,000 I'm like, I know what 210 is. Like I, I, I knew in the back of 971 00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:45,600 my head is like two 10s, like 4:57-ish I think. 972 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:50,520 So I guess I don't quite know it exactly, but I wasn't really 973 00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,600 doing the math. I was like, OK, that's 210. 974 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,200 And then I was like, I guess three set 3 seconds of pace 975 00:55:55,200 --> 00:56:00,520 under, that's two O 9. But also I, I don't completely 976 00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:03,480 trust my watch all the time. Like even the heart rate, like 977 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,120 I'll be on like a regular run. I'll be like, hey, you average 978 00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:08,720 heart rate 190 for the 1st 2 miles or so. 979 00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:12,440 And then it dips down to 1:30 or so, never down to 130. 980 00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:17,760 But like, I was like, I don't, I just wanted to go run And 981 00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:21,000 relative to what my pace was on my, my watch, I knew it was 982 00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,600 pretty close, but I never really saw it. 983 00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,800 Like I've never been on a pace calculator and been like, Hey, 984 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,360 what's 2O5? What's 2O6? 985 00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,360 What's two O 7? I knew it like two O 9. 986 00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,800 I was like two O 9, maybe 2. Like maybe run into two O 8 987 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,280 because I just wanted to like I said, start out comfortable, 988 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:43,320 just build into it and if we can squeeze down to something cool. 989 00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:47,600 But I. Didn't know what 447 was like. 990 00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:52,080 I saw the average pace like 446-440-7448 those ladder miles 991 00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,760 and I was like, we're running. I was like, I was like, I just 992 00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:59,240 know we're running fast. I feel good enough where I just, 993 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:03,360 I break everything down by minutes to like I got to 8 miles 994 00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:05,720 to go. I was like, God, 8 miles feels 995 00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:08,880 long, but 40 minutes doesn't feel that bad. 996 00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,480 And then I was like, let's just get the 30. 997 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,120 And then like once I got the 30, I was like, OK, we're past, 998 00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,400 we're past 20 miles at this point. 999 00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:20,440 And of course I don't, I don't know where the time is, but I'm 1000 00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:23,440 just doing mental math of like 5 minute miles in my head. 1001 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:28,200 I got to 22 is where I was like, if the wall is going to hit, 1002 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,920 it's going to hit soon, like, and it's going to hit hard. 1003 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,480 So I, I didn't really back off, but I was like, I, I don't need, 1004 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,040 I was like, I'm running fast enough where I was like, I do 1005 00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:42,200 not need to push in into any deeper. 1006 00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,560 Well, thankfully the last four miles to my bike path. 1007 00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:46,880 So it was like, Hey, we're bobbing and weaving. 1008 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:50,880 And then it was just like, if you can just stay alive and keep 1009 00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,440 your feet in front of you, you have 4 miles and you're, you're 1010 00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:57,440 seeing the, the Golden Gate. But I did pop in the stadium and 1011 00:57:57,440 --> 00:57:59,920 I looked, I was like, oh, I can't believe my watch was like 1012 00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:03,760 that bad because I like saw like 20 and I thought it was a nine. 1013 00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,320 And then like 2 seconds later I was like, Oh my God, that's a 5 1014 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,240 Like what is going on today? So. 1015 00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:15,040 Yeah, it was. Just all by feel pretty much I 1016 00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:16,400 guess like on the official. Splits. 1017 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,880 There were some mats I think that we're missing, but that's 1018 00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,280 probably because they didn't get around to like you beat them to 1019 00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:23,840 it. I just missed. 1020 00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:29,800 I I I went just left of the 22 mile mat OK, because because 1021 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,040 your Strava has everything. Though yeah, my Strava has. 1022 00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,600 Everything. It was on the live feed, like 1023 00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,040 literally the the camera guy sitting there, it was funny. 1024 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,280 It was like you could see him like shaking out his arms. 1025 00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,240 I was like, yeah, dude, that camera must be heavy. 1026 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:46,080 But yeah, I think I missed the 22 mile mat by like a foot off 1027 00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:50,880 to the right because I think it was when we were coming. 1028 00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,480 I don't know where it was. I think, I think I know there 1029 00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:56,920 were like half marathoners that I was dodging if that was the 1030 00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:00,600 mat that I missed. But yeah, that's about it. 1031 00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:03,560 Do you get drug tested? Afterwards I. 1032 00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:07,520 Reached out to USADA yesterday and they said I did not need 1033 00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:09,040 tested. And that was, I was like, hey, 1034 00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:10,520 Are you sure? Like can I get sick because of 1035 00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,520 people vast? So like, hey, like are you going 1036 00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,680 to get tested? I was like, I reached out and 1037 00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,880 they just were kind of like, oh, we only do it for American 1038 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:21,000 records and world records. And I was like, OK, yeah, OK. 1039 00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:22,560 So I'm just. Kind of like trying to point to 1040 00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:26,200 just sort of so it's like in the those last two sort of questions 1041 00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:29,200 is sort of obviously the discourse around someone being 1042 00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:33,440 so people being so shocked about this where it's like first thing 1043 00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:34,600 people are like the course is short. 1044 00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,640 It's like, no, it's not. You can look at Strava or you. 1045 00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,040 Missed. Some part of the course now, 1046 00:59:40,040 --> 00:59:42,800 like you could see it again on the feed or on his Strava. 1047 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,080 He hit every single point. The doping side of things, of 1048 00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:50,160 course, like, I mean, you're welcoming people to drug test 1049 00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,400 you. And then I guess like the the, 1050 00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:55,880 the final part of it is just. What's your phone like 1051 00:59:55,880 --> 00:59:57,920 afterwards? It's been blowing. 1052 00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:02,000 Up I've never been somewhere my phone's blowing up or anything 1053 01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,600 with the that was the only thing I was like, people are like, oh, 1054 01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,880 everyone's saying you're cheating and I was like, which 1055 01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,120 sometimes could be. A compliment, right? 1056 01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,680 But then you're just like. I was like, yeah, I was like, I 1057 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,400 don't care, dude. Like they can think what they 1058 01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,600 want. Like I was like, well, tell him 1059 01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,400 to just go look at my straw and what I've done. 1060 01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,840 Like even long runs at Notre Dame, like we're running on dirt 1061 01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:26,960 roads and infinite elite. So not even like super just 1062 01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:29,680 trainers and I was running like 18 at 5:20. 1063 01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,040 I was like, I feel like I've just been a marathoner for so 1064 01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:37,720 long and it's just been like, Hey, I haven't done, I didn't do 1065 01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,000 much in college. I like I said, I really don't 1066 01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,560 like putting my name on any of those performances other than 1067 01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,160 maybe one or two. With that being said, it's like, 1068 01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:50,680 hey, it's, it's been a long time coming and anyone that's been 1069 01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,520 following me on Strava kind of knows that. 1070 01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,360 So but yeah, the phone's been kind of ringing off the hook and 1071 01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,960 it's really cool to see like a lot of support. 1072 01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:04,800 That was the other cool thing about like Toledo is like I grew 1073 01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:06,160 up in Ohio. It was cool. 1074 01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,040 I, I saw people I raced in middle school. 1075 01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:10,640 Like I was like, I feel like I haven't, I've literally haven't 1076 01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:13,080 seen you in 10 years. And we're recognizing each 1077 01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,760 other. It's just like, this is really 1078 01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,840 cool. It's like not the Ohio cult of 1079 01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:21,080 running, but it kind of is it it, it's super fun. 1080 01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:26,960 So just getting a lot of those old people that I haven't 1081 01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:30,600 connected with and just like like, hey, you, you know, you 1082 01:01:30,600 --> 01:01:33,080 like you were on the news today. I was like, well, yeah, it was 1083 01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,480 Toledo this morning. Like is it in, Is it in 1084 01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:38,080 Youngstown Warren yet? And they're like, yeah, it's all 1085 01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,400 over. So like it was really cool to 1086 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:45,600 just see so much support for something that I feel like I 1087 01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:47,880 knew a breakthrough was going to go through this weekend. 1088 01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:52,760 I I really like 7 days out. I was just like, if you just 1089 01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:54,920 have fun, you're going to do something special. 1090 01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:59,360 How calm you can stay early is depending how how special that 1091 01:01:59,360 --> 01:02:03,840 can be. So that was cool lot quite quite 1092 01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:07,520 literally lost for words and. All the support. 1093 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:11,000 'S been phenomenal, we went. Pretty detailed, but are there 1094 01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,640 any, did I miss anything? Any other insights on how you 1095 01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:16,960 were able to nail this one? Just so Florida State and just, 1096 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:20,560 I mean, it's an insane execution, all things 1097 01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,520 considered, yeah. Execution was name of the game, 1098 01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:26,080 quite honestly, like, hey, we're not racing people. 1099 01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,800 It's it's not Boston. That's the other thing is like, 1100 01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:32,080 hey, Boston was a hilly course. It was straight racing. 1101 01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:35,680 You have guys running 49 teams. You have, you're starting out at 1102 01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:38,360 4:35. I'm like, we're just going to do 1103 01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:41,520 this as consistently and as flat as possible. 1104 01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,760 Like I don't need to get into the well, there's no one making 1105 01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,600 moves. I'm in control of this race. 1106 01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,840 It's extremely flat. It feels familiar. 1107 01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:54,800 Familiarity was a big thing for me as well as like, hey, I'm 1108 01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:58,440 used to running alone. I'm also used to rate. 1109 01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,760 Like when I'm racing, yeah, I'm racing with people. 1110 01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,240 So it's like that's a different mindset. 1111 01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:05,680 But it's like if I'm just going to go out and like, that's the 1112 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:08,440 thing I like about the marathon is like, I feel like it is you 1113 01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:13,520 have to be my one marathon. You have to be controlled as as 1114 01:03:13,520 --> 01:03:15,520 long as possible. Like it's not going to feel like 1115 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:18,840 this red line early. Like I'm I don't want to be 1116 01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:21,160 stressed out early. And that was the blessing of 1117 01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:23,640 being able to just like, hey, this is my race. 1118 01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:26,360 I'm going to do how I want. I want to be as consistent as 1119 01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:30,320 possible, start somewhere where if I want to, I can run 1120 01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:33,200 something really quick. Like I'm not going to start at 1121 01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:38,080 5:20 and try and run two O 9. So I was like, I just wanted 1122 01:03:38,520 --> 01:03:41,040 worst case scenario, I blow up. I still run something cool. 1123 01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,760 It's still a breakthrough day and I can learn from it. 1124 01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:46,840 Like I really wanted to, I didn't want to blow up, but I 1125 01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,760 really wanted to be right on that line of like if I did, I 1126 01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,840 can definitely learn from it. I learned so much from yesterday 1127 01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:54,920 and it's going to be really cool. 1128 01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:56,080 Like putting that in the training. 1129 01:03:56,080 --> 01:03:59,680 Honestly, I might even like back off from some of the threshold 1130 01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,480 and like because it's literally just on the treadmill. 1131 01:04:01,480 --> 01:04:03,600 It's like a, if I don't feel good, I'm going to cut it down 1132 01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:06,680 by 5 seconds or 10 seconds. And it's like if I can just stay 1133 01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,320 healthy for a year or of course 2 years. 1134 01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,680 What if we just back off the paces and do the same thing as 1135 01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:18,240 like I did this thing to run 2O5, kind of just putting it 1136 01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:20,480 together every week. It's like, what if we write 1137 01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:24,240 something a little bit less intensity but can just stack 1138 01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,360 block on block on block for two years? 1139 01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,320 Where does that take us? It's not quite. 1140 01:04:30,520 --> 01:04:32,840 Different but. It's also like, hey, that that's 1141 01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,600 just staying healthy, it's consistent, it's repeatable, and 1142 01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:39,720 it's done for a purpose. So that's kind of where that 1143 01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:42,080 stands too. Yeah, you've got a ton of. 1144 01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,640 Data now after this weekend like you knew you had fitness but you 1145 01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,880 just didn't quite know exactly what it would translate to in a 1146 01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:51,000 in a race setting. How do you think you would have 1147 01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:55,520 done you know, in retrospect had you been in the elite field at 1148 01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:57,280 the Boston Marathon with this fitness? 1149 01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:00,720 But then you what you don't have in the marathon is the 1150 01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:04,160 experience of covering moves and going with the surges. 1151 01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,600 And so that's sort of like the wild card that you have to kind 1152 01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,800 of that's a challenge, I guess, that is set in front of you over 1153 01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:14,640 the next, you know, less than two years to figure out between 1154 01:05:14,640 --> 01:05:16,760 now and the marathon trials. Yeah. 1155 01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:22,080 I think that's exactly why I ran the race that I did is like, I 1156 01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,320 just wanted to explore the distance at. 1157 01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,920 Hey, not go out. Too slow, not go out too fast, 1158 01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:31,240 just like a feel. Every one of those 26 miles 1159 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:36,840 really experience it and see how long this race actually is and 1160 01:05:36,840 --> 01:05:40,600 put in like, Hey, this, this is where you're at, Not hey, let's 1161 01:05:40,600 --> 01:05:43,720 go, just go out and run 213. Just run a marathon and then 1162 01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,600 hey, if there's guys out there starting at two O 8 pace and 1163 01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:52,440 you're just not overwhelmed. So of course, coulda, shoulda 1164 01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,800 woulda, it would be great to go into Boston, But everyone's 1165 01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:56,120 like, oh, why didn't you pick a bigger marathon? 1166 01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:58,600 I was like, I haven't run anything like I, I don't have 1167 01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,440 anything I don't have backing to get into. 1168 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:06,280 Like I you don't have an agent. No, I I think that's definitely 1169 01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:10,440 the next conversation. But like even the half marathon, 1170 01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:14,680 it's like it was 12.75 miles. It wasn't AUS like it, it wasn't 1171 01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,840 a qualifying it like I've had nothing since. 1172 01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,800 I think I ran a mile. Like in. 1173 01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:27,320 Indoor 2020 what year is it 202026 Like yeah. 1174 01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:33,320 I I I literally have no results for you since your 5K at is it 1175 01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:36,440 at ACCS in 2025? Yeah, it's the last thing I see. 1176 01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,360 Yeah, I got lapped by. Ethan Strand and Gary Martin. 1177 01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:42,520 So that was a that that was a good little turn around to to 1178 01:06:42,520 --> 01:06:47,440 have that to be fair, not that I didn't desert like I knew I was 1179 01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:52,320 capable of it, but like, hey, let the guy who's done something 1180 01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,360 in the race, like I'm not going to reach out to someone and be 1181 01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,760 like, hey, I I think I can do this. 1182 01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:00,680 It's like, yeah, I I I realized I was like, I'm going to have to 1183 01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,080 show it before I like am deserving of being there because 1184 01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,440 there had American distance running is sick. 1185 01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,480 It's really cool right now. So it's like give the guy the 1186 01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:13,120 opportunity that did go to Houston and run ran the 61 1187 01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,640 minute half or the 62 or 65 like it. 1188 01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,480 I have had nothing on the board. So I was like, I I'm going to 1189 01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:21,600 have to put something on the board. 1190 01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,960 I knew it was going to be it I was going to have to do it alone 1191 01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,320 and that's fine. I was I was planning for that. 1192 01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:31,080 It wasn't like a hey, your race got cancelled and now you have 1193 01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:34,520 to run alone. It's like OK, like just another 1194 01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:36,960 day. It's it's fine after this folks 1195 01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:38,400 are. Going to come calling agents, 1196 01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,720 potential sponsors, maybe training groups. 1197 01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,560 What what is it that you want or you think you need to to level 1198 01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:46,960 up. I was actually talking to. 1199 01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:49,160 Chris Neal about this this morning. 1200 01:07:50,240 --> 01:07:54,520 I think the team's really cool. I, I don't know what I again, 1201 01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,240 everything's happening so fast. I don't know quite where to go 1202 01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,800 with everything. I think what I've been doing now 1203 01:08:01,800 --> 01:08:05,680 I need to find a happy medium of like this has been working. 1204 01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:09,880 Like I said, I I found this this recipe that's been repeatable. 1205 01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:13,000 Can we add a little bit a little bit more salt, a little bit more 1206 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:17,760 pepper, not change anything too much, but just stay healthy for 1207 01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:19,560 two years. I think that's any coach I've 1208 01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,319 ever had any teammate I've ever had, if you ask them, hey, 1209 01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:24,120 what's if I'm healthy? I'm. 1210 01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:28,479 Pretty dangerous. And capable. 1211 01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:35,359 So with that being said, like hey where if I didn't run 2O5 1212 01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:37,399 yesterday? I hate that times have to. 1213 01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,040 But it makes sense. I mean, no, I don't hate it 1214 01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:44,240 because it it's makes sense. It's it's the merit, but it's 1215 01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:47,800 like if I was doing something that was like, hey, I feel like 1216 01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:50,640 I was doing everything right and I ran two 11212 It's like, OK, 1217 01:08:50,640 --> 01:08:56,240 let's go, let's go find something and change the change 1218 01:08:56,240 --> 01:08:58,760 things up to get to that 2O82O7 mark. 1219 01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,160 But it's like this works so well as like how? 1220 01:09:01,200 --> 01:09:05,040 How can we just get some support to do it, some support to do it 1221 01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,040 and also just. Kind of put our head down. 1222 01:09:08,040 --> 01:09:10,479 And stay healthy. That that that's the big thing. 1223 01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:15,680 So I think I found a really good way for me to do it personally. 1224 01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,279 And it'll be cool to see along the road, if that is with a 1225 01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:23,840 team, if that's running solo and figuring it out and going up to 1226 01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:28,600 altitude camps. I know I, I'm like itching to go 1227 01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:30,720 back in the weight room. Like I've, I've had like my 1228 01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:34,160 previous list, but I, I really did like everything being 1229 01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:35,560 strong. So that would be another cool 1230 01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,080 thing. It's like, Hey, how, how can we 1231 01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,319 get that dialed in too? Like that was something where I 1232 01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:43,439 was like I was on at the end. I was pretty much just doing the 1233 01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:47,560 same lifts, doing like some clean circuits and stuff like 1234 01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:54,480 that to feel powerful and just offset how 450 felt, 5 minute 1235 01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:59,320 pace felt and also just keep everything spinning, everything 1236 01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:02,280 rolling, everything strong. So that would be a cool next 1237 01:10:02,280 --> 01:10:07,400 exploration as well as like, hey, this running thing is like 1238 01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:08,640 that recipe is cool. Like what? 1239 01:10:08,640 --> 01:10:10,080 What? What are the other things along 1240 01:10:10,080 --> 01:10:13,120 the line like those those one those things that take 1% like 1241 01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:14,640 what? What can we do to get some 1242 01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,760 support to do those? All right, my final. 1243 01:10:16,760 --> 01:10:19,640 Question for you is, it's kind of funny because a couple days 1244 01:10:19,640 --> 01:10:24,400 before this whole run, I dropped the way too early 2028 power 1245 01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:28,240 rankings on city As for all the top American marathoners, 1246 01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,320 because I assumed I was like, oh, no one's going to run 1247 01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,640 another fast marathon between now and maybe, you know, four 1248 01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,400 months from now. I was wrong. 1249 01:10:37,240 --> 01:10:39,600 And there's some names on there who are just like people who 1250 01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:43,520 have, you know, like an Ethan Shulie slots in around like #10 1251 01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:47,040 or so whatever it was after this performance, make your case, I 1252 01:10:47,040 --> 01:10:49,360 guess, where, where do you feel like you belong to sort of in 1253 01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:53,080 this pecking order of the top American marathoners Shoot. 1254 01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:55,280 I'm not going to lie, I haven't seen the list. 1255 01:10:56,360 --> 01:11:03,120 So I, I don't know, I think a 2O5 solidifies that I have some 1256 01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:09,040 potential to look at some teams. It was, I mean, it was always 1257 01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,960 that like fever dream, like, hey, how, how ambitious can you 1258 01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,480 be with it? And like being unrealistic, Like 1259 01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:16,480 I feel like it's always been pretty unrealistic. 1260 01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:19,680 I think I'm finally in a spot where I can say it's a 1261 01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:23,480 conversation. So yeah, that top ten list that 1262 01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:27,040 that's, that's sick. I my biggest thing lacking right 1263 01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,880 now is experience. So it's like, let's just get in 1264 01:11:28,880 --> 01:11:30,640 some races. Let's let's toss it up. 1265 01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,760 I think I've run somewhat of the time now. 1266 01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,040 I feel like there's definitely more in the tank there. 1267 01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:45,640 You with competition at the course that's even better that 1268 01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:48,960 you're not like trotting through like Metro Parks. 1269 01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,640 But yeah, I I think it's a really cool spot to say like it. 1270 01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,920 It's definitely in the conversation now of being in 1271 01:11:56,920 --> 01:11:59,920 that like top seven, top ten, like do you allow yourself? 1272 01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:02,680 To think American record for something like as early as. 1273 01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:06,120 This fall like you know, I presume here's just a 1274 01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,960 presumption Charles Hicks, Nike athlete, maybe he goes to 1275 01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,680 Chicago right flat course. Connor, if he can make a 1276 01:12:12,680 --> 01:12:14,960 comeback, maybe can try and defend it, but. 1277 01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:18,640 Charles's performance. In Boston kind of gives him sort 1278 01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,640 of a lot of credence to be in that conversation. 1279 01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:24,680 You're, if you're able to get into that race, is that 1280 01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:27,240 something you'd be like, you know what, let's throw caution 1281 01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:28,920 to the wind and go for it as well? 1282 01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,640 Yeah. It it, it would be it, it, it 1283 01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,200 would honestly be if, if, if everyone was in the race, it's 1284 01:12:35,200 --> 01:12:39,480 just kind of like get yesterday or not my race. 1285 01:12:39,480 --> 01:12:42,720 But London, it's like, Hey, you have a ton of guys that knows, 1286 01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:44,720 knows something's cool is going to happen. 1287 01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:46,080 Like who's just going to come out on top? 1288 01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:49,840 Like it's good. Like we were sitting there like 1289 01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:53,000 all the guys getting ready for like sitting in the elite 1290 01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:54,720 athlete area and everyone's talking about London. 1291 01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:57,600 I'm like, everyone's like, it's going to go down just like who 1292 01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:02,400 who's going to have their day? Like I don't think that it's 1293 01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:04,360 just, hey, who who feels best today? 1294 01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:07,160 Who is not even the most aggressive, but like, yeah, 1295 01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:09,960 who's who's at 100%? Who's at 99? 1296 01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:13,440 I've been saying that. I think I said that to Alice 1297 01:13:13,440 --> 01:13:17,760 George like 50 times during like our sophomore year. 1298 01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:19,800 We just kept going back and forth on workouts because we 1299 01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:23,680 were so evenly matched. It would just be kind of a race 1300 01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:25,560 day kind of thing. Like, hey, who's feeling the 1301 01:13:25,560 --> 01:13:30,640 best, who in what conditions and what can you handle? 1302 01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:32,760 Like hey, shown I can handle being alone. 1303 01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,760 Let's let's show it and erase setting as well. 1304 01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,640 With that being said, the American record is 75 seconds. 1305 01:13:40,200 --> 01:13:43,560 It's like it, I feel like it's I have the tools there. 1306 01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:47,720 If I if push came to should not push came to shove, but like if 1307 01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:51,120 the opportunity like arose, it's not like I don't think that's 1308 01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:54,840 out of the question. It just depends like hey, who's 1309 01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:56,600 in the race and who's feeling good that day. 1310 01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:59,080 Wait, so you didn't find out? About the sub two until after 1311 01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:03,120 your race, no I didn't. I mean, we went off at 6:30. 1312 01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:06,320 Oh, OK, yes. We went off at six. 30 and I was 1313 01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:10,520 like, I think they were at like half when when everyone like 1314 01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:13,400 started their workout or not not workout warm up. 1315 01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:17,480 So yeah, we're we're still like, all right well, I think I guess 1316 01:14:17,480 --> 01:14:19,040 it's just a good day to run a marathon. 1317 01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:22,480 So it was. Well, Vinny, I appreciate you 1318 01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,560 taking the time for this and, you know, lending so much 1319 01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,880 context to what was a stunning performance this past weekend. 1320 01:14:29,880 --> 01:14:33,640 And you know, now you've got tons more eyes on you for the 1321 01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:35,880 next 1. And so congratulations once 1322 01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:38,520 again and excited to see, you know what's to come. 1323 01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:39,680 All right, man, thanks. So. 1324 01:14:39,680 --> 01:14:42,000 Much it was great meeting you and always great chatting. 1325 01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,160 Alright, that's a wrap on. Today's episode, thanks for 1326 01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:49,040 listening, for the time, the curiosity, and for making this 1327 01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:51,240 show part of your routine or your run. 1328 01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:54,560 A big thanks to our producer Jasmine Fair, and to everyone 1329 01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:57,600 behind the scenes who helps make the Sidious Mag podcast happen. 1330 01:14:58,040 --> 01:14:59,960 If you enjoyed today's. Episode a quick five star review 1331 01:14:59,960 --> 01:15:03,760 on Apple Podcast or Spotify helps people find this show and 1332 01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:05,800 we read every single one. 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