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My guest for today's episode is 33 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,880 Josette Andrews, who just finished sixth in the 5K final 34 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,200 at the World Championships in Tokyo, one of the best global 35 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,320 finishes by an American woman ever in the event. 36 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,840 Josette's run at the World Championships caps off a season 37 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:45,920 that's been nothing short of strong. 38 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,720 For making her first US outdoor team in Eugene with a gutsy 3rd 39 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:53,160 place finish, to racing Diamond leagues in Brussels and Zurich, 40 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,680 to standing on the starting line in Tokyo ready to take on the 41 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,400 best of the world, she has tested herself all throughout 42 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,960 and come away with impressive results each time. 43 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,800 We've had Josette on the show multiple times in the past and 44 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,760 it's always felt like she was on the cusp of something special. 45 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,320 And then this year she put it all together. 46 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,040 So we talked about her path in 2025, what clicks so well to 47 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,760 lead to the success and the lessons that she's taking away 48 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,560 for the future. So without further ado, here is 49 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:32,920 Josette Andrews. All right, Josette, we are all 50 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:36,720 smiles coming off of a six place finish at the World 51 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,960 Championships. You've literally just flew back 52 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:45,000 from Tokyo and I guess now get to enjoy a little bit of a 53 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,600 break. But what are sort of like the 54 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:49,920 initial reflections after a great experience at the World 55 00:02:49,920 --> 00:02:52,480 Championships? It was honestly just so much 56 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:57,600 fun, like I was so happy to be there racing and competing. 57 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:03,720 So the whole experience was just so like rewarding and getting 58 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:07,600 into that final and how that race was ran was not anything 59 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,080 what I thought it was going to be, which was really surprising. 60 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:14,400 But just finishing the year, like really proud of just how 61 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,360 everything is gone and how I've showed up to every race I ran 62 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:22,640 and the execution of everything. It's just been a really positive 63 00:03:22,640 --> 00:03:26,000 year with such good momentum. And I think initially crossing 64 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,880 the line, I was a little like disappointed that I didn't have 65 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:31,280 more. And like crossing the line, I 66 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,640 actually look a little bit sad in some of the pictures, but 67 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,640 processing and like thinking back of like that was still such 68 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:40,280 a great race. And like what I did and like 69 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:45,160 looking back at it now, just, yeah, I think I can be really 70 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,080 proud of everything. But that initial moment of like, 71 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:51,080 you feel so close to getting so close to being there. 72 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:53,400 And then it's like, oh, man, I just, it wasn't enough. 73 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,680 But then looking back of like who is in that field, what that 74 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,240 race is like? It's like there's, yeah, it's 75 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,480 all really good things. I think the thing that you 76 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,680 underscored when you made you like your posts on Instagram is 77 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,640 just sort of like the consistency that you were able 78 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:10,280 to bring this season. And I think that really showed, 79 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:14,160 I think like during the outdoor season especially, I guess like 80 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,120 what do you attribute a lot of that to? 81 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:19,519 Because I guess we caught up back in like February to do like 82 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:21,399 a podcast before like Milrose Games. 83 00:04:21,399 --> 00:04:24,000 And so that was kind of just like the first sign of things 84 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,440 cuz you, what I remember you took second at the Milrose Games 85 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:28,000 in that 3K and it was a strong field. 86 00:04:28,280 --> 00:04:30,440 And then you just kind of carried that through into the 87 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:32,800 outdoor season. Yeah, I think I just went into 88 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,000 every race with like really good intention and of course the 89 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,800 training was so consistent. And when the training is 90 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,120 consistent and you're just getting fitter and fitter and 91 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:45,440 building momentum, it honestly makes it easier to like show up 92 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:49,760 these races and be ready. But I really went into each race 93 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,800 with really good intention and like focus and what the goal of 94 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,240 each one was. And also being really meticulous 95 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,880 of like the race schedule and the planning of everything. 96 00:04:59,880 --> 00:05:03,880 And I think I just didn't want any opportunity to go to waste. 97 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,760 Like every time I stepped on the line, I wanted to make the most 98 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,000 of it because I know what it's like when you don't have those 99 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,880 opportunities and when you're on the sidelines are injured. 100 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:15,880 So every race I ran in, I honestly acted like it was like 101 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,560 some, some of them like life or death moments, you know, I'm 102 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,560 like this, this really matters. Like I, I put a lot of priority 103 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:24,400 in every race I ran. And I think that showed. 104 00:05:24,840 --> 00:05:27,000 And it just kept building and building. 105 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:32,040 And as the races got bigger and I got to be in these bigger 106 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:36,000 experiences and the caliber of the races were higher, I just 107 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:40,640 kept kind of like raising the bar in each one and just super 108 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:44,360 positive every time I stepped on the line and like giving myself 109 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:48,160 a shot in every race I ran. Because you obviously had like a 110 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,200 really strong indoor season and then from there it carried into 111 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,000 the outdoors. And I think like the first sign 112 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,960 of you really having that confidence to stick it to just 113 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,480 sort of like some people who have like really strong, you 114 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,200 know, track PRS and credentials like in Agnes and Getich came in 115 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,040 like in Philly in that race. And so I guess what, where do 116 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,200 you think you were at just sort of like with your headspace of 117 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:13,120 like where you belonged in like the, the 5K scene and at that 118 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,520 point, because then obviously like it levels up when we get to 119 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,000 Rome. But what what did you take away 120 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:22,560 from Philly that I think like was key for the rest of those 121 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,320 outdoor 5 KS? Yeah, I think going into every 122 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:30,160 race I was giving myself a shot like to win, like I wanted to be 123 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:34,640 going in there and competing for top threes and podiums, 124 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:38,000 finishing first. So even though the field on 125 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,800 paper looked very intimidating, I knew with the workouts we've 126 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,160 been running and just the progression of how the fitness 127 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,480 was going that we were in a really good spot, like better 128 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,640 than what we did in indoors. And indoors. 129 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,480 I was able to come away with that big PR in the Mill Rose 130 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:55,920 game. So I knew I was ready for the 131 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,440 fast time. So I think that was something 132 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,760 that made it easier going into the races that I didn't have to 133 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,320 be afraid of the pace because I knew I could handle that faster 134 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:07,200 pace. But of course, doing like saying 135 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,320 that you can do it before you've actually done it is scary. 136 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,640 But I just kept taking these little risks in the races. 137 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,040 And of course some of them turned into tactical races, and 138 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,880 that one ended up being a tactical race, which was a shift 139 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,720 than what the other Grand Slams had been. 140 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:25,440 So I think I just kept putting myself in those positions and 141 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,600 however the race was going to be run, I was just accepting that. 142 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:32,840 And I think that was what brought the really good results, 143 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:38,000 like not being complacent in the races and just really running 144 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,040 each race as it was and like being really in the moment. 145 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,320 What was the data in practice telling you? 146 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,680 Because I guess at this point, like now you've been in Dathan's 147 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,640 system for a couple years now and I'm sure that even the 148 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:54,320 workouts were just telling you like, OK, like this is. 149 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:57,160 Better than than ever before. Yeah, the workouts were big 150 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,200 jumps. Like it was a lot of the the 151 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,240 ones that give me the most confidence are definitely like 152 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:06,080 the VO2 sessions we do. But the way I was able to do a 153 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:11,600 lot of like cut down reps and big volumes of VO 2 was really 154 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:14,240 encouraging. Like I think going into Grand 155 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:20,200 Slam two, it was like a mile. I think I ran it in like 434, 156 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,080 then a bunch of threshold reps like off a minute of eight 157 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,080 hundreds right away after, and then another mile in like a 427. 158 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:31,360 Like up here at Altitude solo, actually Dathan jumped on the 159 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,440 bike for that second mile. But just like the way I was 160 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,559 coming off sessions was really encouraging too. 161 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:42,919 And yeah, just, it was just really the like the stacking of 162 00:08:42,919 --> 00:08:47,240 the workouts and just getting confidence from each one. 163 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:51,440 And yeah, Dathan was really encouraging and telling me, 164 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,280 like, I think you can do this. And like, that was also really, 165 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,480 really reassuring. Like going to the races, like 166 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:58,040 not being afraid. He's like, hey, we're going to 167 00:08:58,040 --> 00:08:59,520 come out here and try to compete for the win. 168 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,040 It's like, OK. And it's like going into Rome, 169 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,760 we knew I was capable and ready for a big race. 170 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:10,040 And that was the chance to not be afraid to go with the race 171 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,000 because we had our standards. So I really had nothing to lose. 172 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,880 Like if I was going to blow up, it didn't really matter because 173 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:20,240 I had my standard and we were still two months out from USA's. 174 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:24,680 But so I wasn't going to just go there and sit in the back, like 175 00:09:24,680 --> 00:09:28,520 I wanted to see what I could do and so put myself in the race. 176 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,760 And you kind of sometimes don't have a choice. 177 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,200 It's either you're riding the train or you're off by yourself. 178 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,160 And I kept being in these races that were world record attempts 179 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:38,840 like throughout the year. So I was like, okay, I just got 180 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,960 to make a decision and go with it and be OK that you're racing 181 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,960 your pack and you're letting that record like go ahead and 182 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,160 like accepting like this is your race and that's a different 183 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,160 race. But it was just really 184 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:52,200 rewarding. Then crossing the line and 185 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,760 seeing 1425. I had no clue what I ran. 186 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,440 The clock was stopped at Beatrice's time and seeing that 187 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,760 race too, it's just like, wow, like I, I put myself in it and 188 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:04,600 look what happened. I guess like the it's fun 189 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,920 because I just did like the interview with Sage kind of 190 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:11,640 recapping her, you know, world championship experience. 191 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,160 And the thing that she said was like, oh, well, when Dathan says 192 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,840 like, oh, you're in 156 shape, like she's just learned over the 193 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,520 years to kind of think of him as just a little bit more 194 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,800 optimistic than most people. And So what was he saying to 195 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:24,960 you? And I guess like, how do you 196 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,480 read Dathan's sort of like projections and just sort of 197 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:29,800 estimates for what you could run? 198 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:32,080 Do you feel the same way, that it's sort of like, oh, maybe 199 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,920 he's just like a little further ahead of like what actually is 200 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,480 where I would land? This year I think we're pretty 201 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,960 on the same page, honestly, because going into Rome he was 202 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,080 like, I think you can run in the 1420s. 203 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,520 And I agreed because I always thought like I've been able to 204 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,600 front run a 1440 race. And I always thought like, yeah, 205 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,720 I probably was actually in 1430 something shape, but I needed 206 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:58,200 help to get there. So then that next barrier of 207 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,760 under 1430, it was like, wow. But given the workouts, like I 208 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,080 think this is possible. And also like having a teammate 209 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,400 like Alicia who's done it before and working out with her and 210 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:09,800 knowing what it takes to get to that point, It was like, I'm 211 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,080 like, I'm right there too. What I can do this as well. 212 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,040 It's just I need the right situation, the right race, the 213 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:18,800 right conditions to kind of have that chance to do it. 214 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:23,960 And after Grand Slam was just a 3K and Rome was lining up to be 215 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,760 this chance like a week later, I was like, this is a really good 216 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,000 chance to just race and see how fast we can go. 217 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:36,160 And so he, he did say, I think you can run in the mid 1420s. 218 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,120 And then I ran 1425. So that was a, that was a pretty 219 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,200 spot on one, I guess. Then after Rome, I guess, did 220 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,840 you feel like it put you in just like like a different territory 221 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,600 going into championships than like years past just because of 222 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,080 like how wide open, you know, the event had been? 223 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:56,880 Like right, with Alicia being injured and then ultimately, I 224 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,400 guess like she did come back, but just quite not at the same 225 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:05,360 level as before with like Parker Valby out, like Whitney Morgan 226 00:12:05,560 --> 00:12:08,880 out like that. It was looking like it was going 227 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:13,920 to be fairly wide open and you having run that flashy time in, 228 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:17,440 in Rome kind of just not necessarily put a target on your 229 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:22,360 back, but like raised sort of expectations from the outside. 230 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,480 Did it also do that for you just quarter like sort of like that 231 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,280 internal pressure also go up a bit? 232 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,480 I think so. And I felt like I was racing a 233 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:32,480 lot in a way compared to other people. 234 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,320 Like I didn't know where anyone else really was and I was just 235 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:39,360 kind of focused on myself and my journey, but knowing that we're 236 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,080 all going to line up together at USA's. 237 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:46,200 And I've in a way like shown where I'm at at that point. 238 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:50,680 And I think it was a good pressure though, because it told 239 00:12:50,680 --> 00:12:54,920 me it's like you are more than capable of making this team and 240 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,120 the signs are all pointing and this year that you can do it. 241 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:01,000 And I think it was just like I had to take it as a positive. 242 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,440 And I knew the race also wasn't going to be a race like that. 243 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:08,640 Like USA is not going to be a 1425 race. 244 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:12,920 So just then shifting gears, it's like instead of running 245 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,640 Prefontaine 5, Ki was like, let me go around a 1500 right now 246 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,720 and work on something else. So I think I was just really 247 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,680 kind of then taking everything that I got out of Rome and 248 00:13:24,680 --> 00:13:28,040 seeing what else I felt like I needed going into USA is to make 249 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,560 sure I make that team so I could go to Worlds. 250 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,200 In that tune up, I mean, like you ran 4 flat, right? 251 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,840 And then it's super close to like your 15 PR did. 252 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,280 Did that even just sort of instill more confidence where 253 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,960 you're just sort of like, I'm not even fully focused on the 254 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:46,800 1500 and I'm like fit and so close to like my PR? 255 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,480 Yeah, initially I was upset about that race actually, 256 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:53,720 because I was so close to getting under and I really 257 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,280 wanted it and knew that we were in shape to do that. 258 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,120 And it just was a hard race to do, like front running the 259 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:02,760 entire thing. So I was like, damn, like I wish 260 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,120 I could have shown like where I'm at. 261 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,640 Like I'm like, I think I can go like really under like I wanted 262 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,440 like I wanted a big one. So I was like, but it was a 263 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,360 really good spot knowing that that was not the focus in 264 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,320 training either. So to show that we can do that 265 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,960 off of the strength work was another like encouraging sign 266 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,000 going into USA is and also was what gave me confidence of like 267 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,240 front running the end of the race at USA. 268 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,800 So I was seeing these different sides of how I was racing and 269 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,040 making decisions of like what would be the best way for me to 270 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:40,480 be successful? 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Check it all out at 308 00:16:36,200 --> 00:16:40,040 wahoofitness.com and use Code Sidious at checkout today. 309 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,680 Straight final at the US Championships Did that just sort 310 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:49,760 of like because so many people, I guess like were also, well, a 311 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,160 bunch of people doubled, you know, coming off of like the 312 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,960 10K, you were in a great spot where you're like coming into 313 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:57,000 the whole thing fresh. So what kind of race did you 314 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,960 expect? And then what was sort of like 315 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,200 the plan that you and Dathan devised that would be like best 316 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:03,200 for you? Yeah. 317 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:07,400 So I think going into USA's, I liked that it was a straight 318 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,960 final, just one 5K race to focus on, like make it feel like every 319 00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,240 other meet where you're showing up and running your race. 320 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,520 So same, just getting in the two days before, you know, the same 321 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,440 routine of everything, which is always nice. 322 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,720 And we thought that of course it would be tactical in the 323 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,359 beginning and then have a big like last mile or so. 324 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:30,800 And it ended up being more tactical than we thought. 325 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:34,160 Like we were going a lot slower than I even realized in the 326 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:35,920 race. And I think in the race, though, 327 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,480 I was just focused on how I was feeling and I was feeling really 328 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:41,160 good. And that was a nice feeling to 329 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,280 have at the US chance of like being halfway through the race. 330 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,880 And it's like, OK, there's a lot more left in the legs. 331 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,680 Like, this is a nice feeling as opposed to feeling like I've 332 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:53,600 already straining earlier on and not knowing like, oh, when the 333 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,760 move goes, will I be able to respond? 334 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,600 And this one knowing like, I'm going to make the move and make 335 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,440 people respond to me. So I think we thought I was 336 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:02,760 always going to get to the front. 337 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,200 We just didn't know when. But with 1000 to go, I 338 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:09,480 definitely wanted to be in the front and Nathan did want me to 339 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,320 get to the front a little earlier. 340 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,640 The pace was slower or more people were still there, but I 341 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:16,960 was just trying to be so patient in the way I was feeling in the 342 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,680 race. I changed it to trying to go out 343 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,320 of AK to go and I thought that would be enough to. 344 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:26,480 But people really showed up at USA's and had really great 345 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,600 closing and there was still a lot of us left in that last K. 346 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,440 And it definitely broke up when I did take the lead. 347 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,200 But there was still so many people in contention with the 348 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,560 bell lap and just tried to really be patient with myself. 349 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,360 And in those moments of getting past, like not panicking and 350 00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:46,120 trusting that there was still more gears to give. 351 00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:49,920 And that was a big change to of like, not letting it just feel 352 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:52,720 like it was slipping away, like still taking control at the end 353 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,920 of the race and giving it that last kick and securing that 354 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,400 third spot. A lot of Americans talk about 355 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:01,920 just how the feeling coming off of the finish line at USA is 356 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:05,400 when you make the team is less joyous and more so a sense of 357 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,640 relief. Like for you, is that also the 358 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,520 case? It was a total sense of relief, 359 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,680 relief that it's like, yes, OK, you made it. 360 00:19:14,680 --> 00:19:17,120 Like there was definitely like a monkey on my back of not having 361 00:19:17,120 --> 00:19:21,440 made an outdoor team. And just like so excited to now 362 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,920 get to go to worlds and show what I have thought I've been 363 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:27,480 able would be able to do in years past. 364 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:28,960 And just like never had that shot. 365 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,520 So it was just like, yes, like just like that relief feeling of 366 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,800 like you did it and now you have another opportunity, Josette, 367 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:40,360 like you're there. What then is it that you and, 368 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:44,320 you know, Dathan Kelsey start to focus on in kind of like that 369 00:19:44,440 --> 00:19:47,600 month between, you know, USAS and Worlds in regards to 370 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:49,200 training? And then also, I mean, like you 371 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,600 did end up in Zurich in that 3K and you end up finishing second 372 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,640 where it's like that was a look at just sort of like taking on, 373 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,080 you know, deep international competition where not 374 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,880 necessarily everyone there was going to be at Worlds, but it, 375 00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:05,320 it was a kind of like a little bit of like a taste of what 376 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:06,560 could unfold. Yeah. 377 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:10,360 So after USA originally it was like, OK, we're just going to 378 00:20:10,360 --> 00:20:13,680 train for six weeks and get ready to go to Japan and do a 379 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:17,000 training camp in Japan. And I remember getting the 380 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,120 massage after the race and I was like, I want to race again. 381 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:22,600 Like I was like, I don't think I can wait six weeks to go. 382 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:26,840 And I felt like it I needed something different than USA is 383 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,960 like USA is such like you're spending all year getting ready 384 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:32,280 to get to USA and like you do that race. 385 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,160 And I honestly finished it and was like, I need something 386 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,640 different now to like shift the focus to world. 387 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,960 So we were looking and we thought a 3K would be perfect. 388 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,840 And but Jason thought Poland was a little too early. 389 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:50,640 So let's wait a week and run a 5K week later in Brussels. 390 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,560 And it wasn't our first choice of options. 391 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:55,040 But then I was like, you know what, I could use it. 392 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,560 Another hard effort too, because I didn't have a hard effort 393 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:04,040 since Rome in terms of like that faster pace of a race, not a 394 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:08,480 pure championship style race. So we pivoted and just had a 395 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,400 trip to Brussels plan, nothing else. 396 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:16,080 And Brussels was such a perfect race in that moment because it 397 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:21,800 was that like tactical pace of like 1445 that then shifted and 398 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,720 we all ended up running like 1430s and saw a lot of people 399 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,640 that I was going to see at USA's and or in our worlds. 400 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,240 And it was just a really good chance to compete and like shift 401 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:35,280 the focus to Tokyo and end up running 1433 like my second 402 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,040 fastest time in a situation where we were all together. 403 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,880 There was no pacer for our field actually, because Agnes was 404 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,560 going for the record and she was the only one with the pacer. 405 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,200 So it turned into this race that we thought would look a lot like 406 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,920 a prelim in Tokyo and that ended up being a lot faster than what 407 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,920 the prelims in Tokyo was. But in that moment, we're like, 408 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,600 this is perfect. Practice shows that and we're 409 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:03,760 really happy with how that went coming off USA and ended up 410 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,440 getting a lot more diamonding points and I was 11th in the 411 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,960 ranking. And then that night at dinner in 412 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:13,200 Brussels, we found out that I got into the Diamond League 413 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:16,760 final and that it was a 3K. And since it was a 3K and I was 414 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,400 there, I was like, I'm doing it, It's in Zurich. 415 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:22,520 I haven't run the Diamond League final since it was in Zurich in 416 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,160 2021. So it just felt it felt so right 417 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,680 to be going back and in ONS backyard in Zurich and I had 418 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,400 yard Robert and Olivia planning to run and Kelsey was there with 419 00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:35,400 us. So it just made a lot of sense 420 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,880 to go and run a 3K week later and it was going to be another 421 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,720 great test of like how am I going to come off this 5K and go 422 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,960 race a 3K week later? Because I've done, I've done 5 423 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,840 KS in a week where I've run fifteens before or three KS. 424 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,960 But I've never done it the opposite where I've raced right 425 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,480 after 5K. So it was going to be a good 426 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,800 challenge. And you had to finish second at 427 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,440 the Diamond League final, get on the podium again. 428 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:04,720 There felt really special and a race where I was like 429 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:09,320 controlling the race from the front again and just really calm 430 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,160 and just proud of the way I was executing and like closing 431 00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,560 faster than I ever have in these tactical races. 432 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,760 So just a lot of like new experiences this year where I 433 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:21,680 was making decisions in the races and like being in new 434 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,440 situations. And again when we get to Tokyo 435 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,800 and talking about that, like a definitely a new experience 436 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:31,600 there too in a race situation. So I was just really proud of 437 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,200 the way I executed all my races. All right, so then that leads us 438 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,280 into Tokyo. How prepared, I guess like just 439 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,200 hearing just all of this, like each performance stacked on one 440 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,360 another. And like, I guess I was just 441 00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:46,480 chatting with like someone like Angelina Napoleon who's like 20 442 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,920 years old and at the same time was so cool hearing her just 443 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,760 kind of talk about like, well, I learned this in Paris and I 444 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:55,800 learned this in USA. And like all this stuff like 445 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:58,160 comes in handy when it's like the big moments. 446 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,760 And so for you, it's like you pocketed so much of that, you 447 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,480 know, throughout the season that like, I guess start standing on 448 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:09,520 the starting line in Tokyo. Like for you, it'd been a long 449 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,360 time coming in this moment that you'd vision. 450 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:15,000 But then like what were sort of like the expectations for that 451 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,200 first race? Yeah. 452 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,320 So for the prelim, it's like, you know that your job is to get 453 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,080 top 8 and you don't get to go to the final unless you get top 8. 454 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:28,160 So it's definitely more like mentally nerve racking and then 455 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,240 like it is like physically hard in the race when it turns into 456 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,000 that tactical race. And I found myself myself like 457 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,600 on the outside of that race, the whole race, just like fighting 458 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,560 for positioning. I was kind of following off 459 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,520 Faith and Agnes like kind of just like seeing where the 460 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,760 people I knew were going to finish in the top eight. 461 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,600 I was kind of like sitting myself behind them. 462 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:54,440 And after the, it was a very emotionally exhausting race 463 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,440 because it was a lot of like, like it was very tiring, like 464 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,040 fighting for position and things like that. 465 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,080 And after that race, securing that 6th place spot for the 466 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,080 final, like I definitely wanted to race a lot differently than I 467 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,880 just had. I felt like I was kind of 468 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:12,280 following other people's moves and fighting for position and 469 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,800 running wide. And I was like, I can't do this 470 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,040 in the final. Like that is not a way to be 471 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,840 successful or try to fight for a metal when you're running like 472 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,440 that. So I definitely made a big shift 473 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:28,320 from the prelim to the final and just like positioning, yeah, I 474 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,400 ended up getting out really fast in the final and found myself 475 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,280 like Nadia and me were right in the front. 476 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:38,400 And I was like, well, if we're going to go slow or someone's 477 00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,520 going to make a move, do I want to be on the outside right now? 478 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,240 No. So I like tucked in in front of 479 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,880 her and Shelby came like right next to me and we ended up 480 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,800 leading the race till 400 meters to go, which was not what I 481 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,720 thought was going to happen. I thought maybe if I was in the 482 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,240 front or just getting out the way I got out. 483 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,560 I thought at some point the pace was going to shift earlier, 484 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,920 whether it was Tanaka going or Agnes going, but though 485 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,600 everyone's content to just hang out. 486 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,280 So I just had to, in that moment, honestly be like, OK, 487 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,560 Josette, well, you're running the least amount of distance. 488 00:26:10,120 --> 00:26:14,040 Your big job right now is to respond to the moves that are 489 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,240 made because you got to keep this spot and not get completely 490 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,000 boxed in. So anytime there was a surge 491 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,120 from Shelby or someone coming wide, I just like made sure like 492 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:25,840 I protected my spot on that inside rail. 493 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,720 But I've never run a 5K in that spot before. 494 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,720 Like either it's in a time trial race where you're just all a 495 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,360 straight line or in a tactical USA race. 496 00:26:36,360 --> 00:26:38,480 I'm more on the outside. So this is my first time like 497 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:40,880 being in that position. And even in the race I was like, 498 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,080 pretend you're Cole Hawker on the rail, Pretend you're Cole 499 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,720 Hawker on the rail. Like pretend you're Grant 500 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,000 Fisher. Cuz I was just trying to like 501 00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,760 think of people and like that I wanted to be like that have been 502 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,000 in that spot because I had never been in that situation before. 503 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,200 Yeah, it was just crazy. One thing I just caught is just 504 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,000 sort of like you even telling yourself like after that first 505 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,320 round, it's like, all right, you didn't want to be caught up 506 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,280 running in someone else's race. And like even if the the chances 507 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,800 they are to contend for a medal and like looking at just sort of 508 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,480 like the depth of this field like part of like yes, once you 509 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,480 make the final like anything can happen. 510 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,840 But like how much did you allow yourself to you know think like 511 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:25,080 hey, there's there's a chance now that we're here, even though 512 00:27:25,360 --> 00:27:28,760 on paper people would look and see it's like okay yeah Beatrice 513 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,440 Chabet is in this faith. Could be a gun is in this natty 514 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,680 about a claddy Agnes and get it's like all these people would 515 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,600 just like all time PR's and accomplishments are in it. 516 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,400 But like you can't give up on the thought of hey, like I can 517 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:44,400 contend for medal before the race even starts. 518 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,760 So like for you finding yourself up in the front of the race, 519 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,960 like did that thought even like kind of creep up or was it also 520 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,000 just sort of like at some point like they're going to start 521 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,280 going? Definitely. 522 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,800 I mean, going to the race, it was like you go into that final, 523 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,160 you have to believe you have a shot, right? 524 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,880 So I had raced all those women before and like been right next 525 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,720 to Agnes, been right next to Nadia. 526 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,080 Like racing them before. Like yes, I hadn't beaten them, 527 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,000 but I had been in races right near them and believed that I 528 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,640 could still be near them in that final weather. 529 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,120 It was going to be a 1420 race, A1430 race. 530 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,680 Did not expect a 15 minute race, but finding myself in that front 531 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,840 every lap that we got closer to the finish, I was like, I'm 532 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:30,960 still here. Like and if you're still here, 533 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,400 you have a chance. And we saw earlier in the meet 534 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,200 what happened in the men's race, like a lot of surprises, a lot 535 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,880 of situations that we didn't expect and that women's we were 536 00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,800 it was so deep with Beatrice, Faith, Agnes, Nadia Sagai, like 537 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,680 it was like those were the main 5 that I was looking at and then 538 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,480 knowing like Shelby was coming in in a really good spot and I 539 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,680 thought I was right there too. So with coming into those final 540 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,840 laps, I just knew that at some point they're going to go and 541 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,200 someone's going to make a jump. And I think with a couple laps 542 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,400 to go, I was like, do I want to go right now? 543 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,360 Like, do we want to push this? And I think it was more of a no 544 00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:11,840 because they're right there too. So let's just try to make it the 545 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,640 least push is possible because they can still respond to any 546 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,480 move you're making. And it's a situation where I 547 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,640 don't know if the three metal spots is going to change, but 548 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,440 like in those in a different race scenario, maybe like the 549 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,600 four through 10 changes, if it's a faster race or the how we ran, 550 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,280 I don't know. It was just like I wanted to be 551 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,240 in a spot where once the move was made, I could also go. 552 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,720 And I think I positioned myself and so did Shelby in really good 553 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,880 spots where we didn't know it was going to be run like that or 554 00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,120 how it was going to be, but just making sure we protected our 555 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,520 space. And then when the move goes, 556 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,760 like try to respond and I did not have the legs. 557 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,800 They closed in the 57, which is unbelievable. 558 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,040 I think I was a 62. But it's just, yeah, it's crazy. 559 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,000 And it also shows like, OK, so like that's something like in 560 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,360 the next few years, like I also need to get better at and 561 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:09,160 something to work on too. But it was really fun and like 562 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,640 so cool, like being in the front of that race, leading it and 563 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,120 like how loud the stadium was as the race was getting deeper and 564 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,600 deeper. And yeah, it was, it was just 565 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:26,040 really, it was really fun. 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I guess as and like the feeling 598 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,560 when you're approaching the bell lap and you're still up in the 599 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,120 front of the race. I was like, you have a shot. 600 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,720 Like it's like, I mean, I'm running for a medal. 601 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,200 I'm just like, it's one lap to go. 602 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,960 Like I'm on the inside. Like I still, it was really 603 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,760 nerve racking that the moves hadn't been made yet and a bit 604 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,920 surprising. And I think I was processing a 605 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:33,240 lot as the race was going and just knowing that they were 606 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,440 going to make a big move and trying to go with it. 607 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:40,120 And even when Nadia was going to the front, like, I remember I 608 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:42,720 made a move, like, between Shelby, like, just trying to, 609 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,240 like, push myself through to be in a better position. 610 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,320 And I was like, maybe by running on this rail the whole time, 611 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,040 like, and not having to fight on the outside, like, that would 612 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,360 give me a better shot. So I was just. 613 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,760 Yeah. And then in that last one, I was 614 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,880 just sprinting. Yeah. 615 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,200 And then in, I guess like, what is it, Beatrice Chabet's like 616 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,680 final 400 is or even the final 200 I think is like one of the 617 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,880 fastest ever in that race when she's blowing past you at that. 618 00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,840 Like what does that look like? With 200 to go, that's when it 619 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,200 really just like completely opened up and I, I didn't want 620 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:20,640 that feeling of like going backwards because I already felt 621 00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,880 like I was going backwards at that point after losing 622 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,680 position. So that's hard. 623 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,440 Like I'm, I'm kind of like looking ahead at and seeing 624 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,760 that. And I'm also seeing other people 625 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,720 like in 4th and 5th and like, oh, like I want to be there. 626 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,760 And so I think then shifting the focus of like, instead of 627 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,680 watching, it's like, OK, I need to change my form right now. 628 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,040 Like we need to be like kicking and like just working on 629 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,400 mechanics to get to that finish line to like keep your spot. 630 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,480 And then that's exactly what I did. 631 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,600 I ended up, it was like 6 of us and then I was, I ended up in 6 632 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,960 and it was the same pack. And like my, my picture on 633 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:56,760 Instagram, I saw six of us breaking away. 634 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,480 So. All right, so then you cross the 635 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,320 finish line. You said initial feelings of of 636 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:05,120 like like I was right there. But then when did how quickly 637 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,800 does that flip? And then all of a sudden you're 638 00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:08,800 just like, OK, we can celebrate this. 639 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:13,760 I think like seeing the coaches, seeing Robbie and everyone and 640 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,719 seeing how proud they were and just like excited they were. 641 00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,120 That was when I was like, oh, OK, this is actually like a 642 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,600 really, really great race and really special like in your 643 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,960 first outdoor champs. And then hearing, I had no clue 644 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,080 that that was like the highest that Americans had ever finished 645 00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,639 in the 5K on the global stage. And I think that stat was like, 646 00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,840 whoa, I didn't realize that. And and like that was a really 647 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,760 cool thing of like, hey, no one else in America has finished 648 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,719 that high on the female side in the 5K. 649 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,239 And that was very encouraging. It was like, oh, wow, we're like 650 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,159 stepping up. It's like, yes, we're not there 651 00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:51,239 yet, but this is a big step forward. 652 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:58,200 And in my first championships, to finish six and be there, like 653 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,680 fighting, being brave, competing, it's pretty 654 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:03,640 incredible. And if you would have told me a 655 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,760 year ago that I'd be 6 like a year ago, I just wanted to like, 656 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,160 get on that team. And then, like, the goals change 657 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,480 as the season goes on, right? And like, things progress. 658 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,840 And then it's like, OK, like you're 6 in the world and it's 659 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,080 like you're still hungry for more. 660 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,200 Like that's a really encouraging spot to be in. 661 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,400 I think the funniest thing is just sort of in like reviewing 662 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,240 all of like your season results is just like, and that's just 663 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:29,600 kind of like the way the sport goes where you just never know 664 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,520 what to expect come the championships, where it's like 665 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,880 all year long you're training to just get as fit as possible to 666 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,320 run, you know, in the 1420s. And then you're rattling off 667 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:41,680 1430 and 1440 races and then you get to the championships and 668 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,000 it's like, OK, we're going to run 1457 in the first round and 669 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,480 then 15 flat in the final. Yeah, which is so funny too, 670 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:52,120 because I remember like going into USA statement had a couple 671 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,040 workouts where he just kept running 70 twos, which is 15 672 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,920 minute pace and I hated it. I was like, I'm so tired of 70 673 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:00,080 twos. It's like I don't want to be 674 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:01,840 running 70 twos. That's not pace. 675 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,160 That's I don't know what pace that is, man. 676 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,040 I have to go run it twice. Very different ways though, but 677 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,920 I'm like like that damn 15 minute pace. 678 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,920 I hate it. I guess like in general, just 679 00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,000 you do have to just kind of like fine tune the wheels and just 680 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,120 like the general fitness to be able to handle it and then 681 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,160 adjust in the moment to like those big, those big, you know, 682 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,680 kicks and moments. So I guess like coming off of 683 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,720 this, like is it we're we're sort of like the areas that now 684 00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:34,720 you're already starting to think because like we're all, you 685 00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:37,120 know, critics of our own sort of like races, but you're just sort 686 00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,800 of like, where is that you kind of think, all right, if I do 687 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,480 this a little bit better next time, then that could be the 688 00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,520 difference of, you know, placing a little bit higher or even just 689 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,440 like running faster in the next next go around. 690 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,800 I think just having that experience on my first outdoor 691 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:55,080 world stage is so big. Like just taking that experience 692 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,960 and knowing what it's like, like being at that stage is so 693 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,280 exciting and encouraging going into the next year. 694 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,720 But also I think just like progressing on everything I've 695 00:37:05,720 --> 00:37:09,720 done this year, like this year was such a positive experience 696 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:13,040 in the fitness gains that were made and like the mental gains 697 00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,120 that were made, just progressing off of that and like continuing 698 00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,520 to grow and develop and get stronger. 699 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,200 Like that's only going to help me going into the next year. 700 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:28,520 So I think just having that in my back pocket from this year is 701 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,920 like I'm already like 5 steps ahead for next year because of 702 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:36,000 it, which is a really good spot. I guess 2026 is a year where 703 00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:38,320 it's like there's like the ultimate Championships and 704 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,840 that's going to be just like a huge like rankings chase for 705 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,280 people to try and qualify. But it also like it allows for 706 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,320 people to just experiment and dip down. 707 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,920 Like you could spend, you know, a couple of months focusing on 708 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,960 the 1500 again, if you really wanted to. 709 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,800 What do you want? Like, if it was up to you and I 710 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,200 guess like when you sit down with, you know, Dathan and 711 00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:01,080 Kelsey to start planning out 2026, like what? 712 00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,160 What's on your mind? Yeah, I haven't really even 713 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,360 thought about what it should look like, but I I'm definitely 714 00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:12,640 open to different things because it isn't in a way an off year, 715 00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,320 but then like figuring and trying to understand how you can 716 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,880 get to the ultimate chance. I need to learn, but also 717 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:24,160 definitely want to just be like getting better all as all around 718 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,680 as a runner. Like I definitely want to be 719 00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,000 running some more 1500s for sure because there's more time to do 720 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,520 that. And yeah, and then seeing how 721 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,880 fast I can go in the 5K. Like I don't know what I want to 722 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,000 do but yet or like what it's going to look like. 723 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,680 But definitely being more open to trying different things too 724 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,320 for sure. So you brought up just sort of 725 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,120 like now that you have this experience, you could take that 726 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,240 to the next one. But I also feel like Tokyo in 727 00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:55,920 general, which is so different of a meet, like from an 728 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,200 operational standpoint just compared to anything else that's 729 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,520 out there from like USAS and how, you know, like call rooms 730 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,720 and the, you know, I guess this one had the buses and all that 731 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:09,920 kind of stuff. You've been to like world indoor 732 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,000 championships before. But what were some of the things 733 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,520 that behind the scenes you're just sort of like, all right, 734 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:18,480 Like this is not something that you practice like on a 735 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,440 day-to-day or when you're back at home. 736 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,280 But like as an athlete, you just have to kind of like adapt to 737 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,120 the situation and realize we're all in the same boat dealing 738 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,440 with this new curveball that gets thrown in. 739 00:39:28,440 --> 00:39:30,880 So what were some of those moments for you? 740 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,360 I guess that you're just like, oh, this is different. 741 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,040 I definitely needed like the prelim to kind of get more like 742 00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,880 in zone of what the final experience would look like. 743 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,400 So I almost think that was helpful. 744 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,880 But yeah, it was definitely different like doing your entire 745 00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,600 warm up, warming up even earlier. 746 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,960 Like Dathan and our team, we actually all warmed up like 90 747 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,720 minutes before the race and we did our entire full warm up 748 00:39:54,720 --> 00:39:59,200 before then getting on the bus to then get to the call room and 749 00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,800 then have another 30 minutes. So it was just a really like 750 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,800 dragged out warm up, but it worked for everyone really well 751 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,080 for our team. But it was a little bit bizarre 752 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,320 like we were, I definitely was like eating a lot more calories 753 00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:16,080 too, like even on that bus, like taking down some more gels. 754 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,520 And then even in the final like shifted my caffeine like a 755 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,880 little later because I felt like I was getting like a lol coming 756 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,720 down after taking it so much earlier before the warm up. 757 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,360 So just like little shifts that I even made from the prelim to 758 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,520 final, but I think knowing that everyone was doing the same 759 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:36,040 thing that you were getting on a bus and you were running in 760 00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:41,560 these conditions where it was extremely hot and humid and all 761 00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,160 adjusting to the time zone. It was kind of like you just had 762 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,080 to adapt and get there and know that everyone's going through 763 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,600 the same thing and just accept it. 764 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,760 How hot did it actually feel? Like out on the track. 765 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,800 The hottest you felt and I think me and Sage both off the same 766 00:40:57,800 --> 00:40:59,560 thing and I think George too was like. 767 00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,400 So it was pretty nice at night honestly, considering what it 768 00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:07,040 could have been. It was very humid my second race 769 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,400 compared to the temperature, but it was the hottest when you went 770 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:15,000 from the AC in the call room. So then it was like after the 771 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,280 warm, he got cold. Like I got recalled and I was 772 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,720 like shivering in the prelim, I remember, and then stepping out 773 00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:24,080 on the track again, going from the AC room to then stepping in 774 00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:27,680 that bright stadium. That was when everyone was like, 775 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,960 like, it's extremely hot out right now. 776 00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:33,680 But I think it was the shifts in temperature, like going from a 777 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,440 hot warm up to the AC and then back to the hot track. 778 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,960 So then for the final, I felt like I knew that was going to 779 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,360 happen. So it didn't seem as shocking 780 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,520 and knowing like, OK, I'm going to go out there with the ice 781 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,200 water now and I'm going to dump it on me right when I get out to 782 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:52,440 the track. So yeah, a little bit of like a 783 00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,720 shocking sense of a couple of feelings from the prelim and 784 00:41:56,720 --> 00:41:59,920 then going to the finals, like, OK, well, I know what to expect 785 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:01,200 now. And now this isn't new. 786 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:06,360 So that was a lot calmer vibes. What were you like on the bus? 787 00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:09,600 Oh, so the first bus you had like plenty of room because I 788 00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,000 took like the feels and two different buses. 789 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,800 And then in the final, like everyone was like smushed 790 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,720 together. So it was a little more like you 791 00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:19,400 didn't have as much of your own space, but I kind of was just 792 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,240 like reading through some like last minute text messages and 793 00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:24,480 like having my gel, drinking my water. 794 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,920 I was very thirsty and I was like, I'm like drinking and 795 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,280 eating a lot. Like I feel like bloated going 796 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:34,840 into this. But yeah, it was, it went by 797 00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:39,240 faster than I thought to from like the prelim to the final. 798 00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:42,600 But it I was just kind of like, OK, take the ride. 799 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:44,440 And then when once you get in the call room, that's when it 800 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,520 gets serious of like putting the bib on, putting your spikes on, 801 00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:50,000 and then knowing that you have so much time in the call room 802 00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:53,360 that you're not in any rush. So like getting there once you 803 00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,920 were in the call room, like it was pretty chill vibes because 804 00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,360 you had all the time in the world to do like strides, go to 805 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,120 the bathroom, do your bibs. Like there was no rush and 806 00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:07,720 everyone was there to help you. So it was, yeah, it was the the 807 00:43:07,720 --> 00:43:10,440 calmest, chillest call room that you could ever imagine because 808 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,680 you had this extra time there. Yeah, I guess like you're one of 809 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,640 the few people who could tell us, I guess what, what was it 810 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,440 like? I guess when you do have a room 811 00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,800 with they too big on Beatrice Tribet, who I guess like they're 812 00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,640 very good friends. It seems like from social media, 813 00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:28,000 Goudalf's a guy probably, you know, off to the corner. 814 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,880 Like what did that sort of look like when you have like these 815 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,240 all time greats, I guess getting ready to do their thing. 816 00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,720 I know you're gearing up for your race, but I'm sure like it 817 00:43:36,720 --> 00:43:39,280 was also just sort of like I can't believe like I'm I get to 818 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:41,760 see this. Go I saw them warming up 819 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,320 together like before the race. I saw that it's like they're 820 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,280 running around the track all together, which is like cool to 821 00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:49,800 see. And I'm just like out there 822 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,240 alone, warm enough, you know. But like in the call room too, 823 00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:55,920 everyone was doing a little bit different things. 824 00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:57,320 Some people still had drills to do. 825 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,120 Some people were like jogging around, some people were just 826 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,160 hanging out, like putting their bibs on that weren't on. 827 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,000 So everyone was doing a little bit different things, but you 828 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,080 definitely had like time to like look around and just like see 829 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,360 the vibes. But everyone just like was in 830 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,720 their own little zone. So I think then it was like, OK, 831 00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:16,880 just like got to focus like and get dialed in. 832 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,240 I think in the prelim day I was a little more like wandering 833 00:44:19,240 --> 00:44:21,560 eyes. 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Find them, sip them, and don't 851 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:26,760 miss the SpongeBob Movie in theaters December 19th, Kai 852 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,680 said. I think Sage said that Kai was 853 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,000 able to watch her race and then when Sage finishes 5th, he's 854 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,000 like, well, I got to do better than that and he ends up 855 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,440 finishing 4th. And overall, I mean, like, this 856 00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,080 was an amazing meet for OAC, especially with George's win and 857 00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:45,880 you finishing as as high as you did. 858 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:50,640 So I guess like how much were you feeding off of like the team 859 00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,520 success and just sort of seeing all of these performances before 860 00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:58,040 you like kind of setting the tone for you to be like, all 861 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,480 right, I can have a good day too because these are the people I 862 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,200 surround myself with. Definitely the team ran so 863 00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,360 amazing, like everyone that showed up to worlds on our team, 864 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,760 like executed so well and like I think we were peaked really well 865 00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,280 for this and just like really proud to see us all have such a 866 00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,720 successful champs. Like George of course, was 867 00:46:17,720 --> 00:46:19,440 first. It was George and Robert that I 868 00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:23,200 got to watch 1st and George winning absolutely incredible 869 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,640 insane. Like watching that race fold 870 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,840 out, I was like, Oh my God, like it's playing into his hands 871 00:46:28,840 --> 00:46:30,280 right now. Like how is this going to 872 00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:32,040 unfold? And it was hard to go to bed 873 00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,520 that night after watching it and Robert getting 6 in the world in 874 00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:41,040 the men's race after like a crazy semi where it was just a 875 00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,480 lot of like emotions and things happening. 876 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,240 So then to see him finish 6th in the world, it was like, wow. 877 00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:48,640 Like they both just ran incredible. 878 00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:52,680 And now it's my turn. And then I go through the next 879 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,040 round. Sage is making it through her 880 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,600 rounds like Kai made it through his rounds. 881 00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,360 And then I was before them before the final. 882 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,160 But it was like we we were ready to go. 883 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:05,280 And I think everyone had big goals for themselves and I think 884 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,800 in a way everyone like surpassed what they thought we could do, 885 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:12,040 which is really cool to like see the whole team have success all 886 00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,800 together. And like we had a really good 887 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,640 system and group going. So it was like really good vibes 888 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,360 in Tokyo for sure. Is there, I guess, like another 889 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,000 part of it too, where it's like there's also just like the 890 00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,280 teammates that are at home where it's like Yared didn't get to, 891 00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:31,640 you know, qualify and you have someone like Maya and Sinta who 892 00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,680 are dealing with injuries and you're just sort of like, all 893 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:36,640 right, well, I also got to make the the most this opportunity 894 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,840 for like those teammates who are usually like on a stage like 895 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,320 this and knowing that they would probably kill to be in my spot 896 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:45,080 right now. Definitely. 897 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,280 And they were also encouraging like through the rounds, like 898 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:52,520 all the girls sending me messages and the guys and felt 899 00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,360 for them. Like it was so nice of them to 900 00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,520 be able to show like support to us when we're going through 901 00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,120 that. And I know they want to be there 902 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,280 too. And Sage and I were in that spot 903 00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:06,280 last year in Paris. So just like the shifts of the 904 00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,160 seasons and how it's going, but knowing that like when you get 905 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,760 there, like really showing up for everyone and everyone that's 906 00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,800 been there and on your journey. And yeah, it was really cool 907 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,160 that we were able to show up in a big way with ON and all the 908 00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:23,480 people from on that came out and on had a really cool house. 909 00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,440 I don't know if you ended up stepping into it at all, but 910 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,240 like the on labs in Tokyo was a a really fun spot to like hang 911 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:33,360 out between the rounds to and get lunches and like bring your 912 00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,800 family and friends and like see everyone from on. 913 00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,600 And it's hard like when you're the end of the meet and you're 914 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,680 kind of like waiting through your rounds and it's like hard 915 00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:44,160 to like get up and do stuff. But even just going there and 916 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,760 like having a day to relax acts between the rounds there and 917 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,040 getting lunch and treatment and talking to the on people, like 918 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,680 it was still really nice and like the way they set it up for 919 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,800 us. So who's in charge on the team 920 00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:01,560 of like planning the celebration once everyone's back in in 921 00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:03,600 Boulder? Like is that a all right, we're 922 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,680 putting this on on Dathan or because I guess like it's such a 923 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,200 weird timing cuz everyone goes off and does their own thing 924 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:13,040 like after now this season is over. 925 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,360 But I mean, there must be you guys have to find a way to 926 00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:18,760 celebrate as a team. I know there's gonna have to be 927 00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,200 something because everyone's everywhere right now. 928 00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,760 Like everyone that ran worlds went off to different parts and 929 00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,480 the people that don't that want to go back home to other 930 00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,320 countries or back in their other countries. 931 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:33,400 Our summit is already next week in Portland. 932 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:36,280 But not everyone's going to that. 933 00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:40,040 But the people that are, yeah, it's it's kind of crazy things. 934 00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:42,640 We'll have to, when we all get back together from when practice 935 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:46,720 starts up at the end of October, definitely do something all 936 00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:48,920 together to celebrate. And of course, George's win 937 00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,360 like, needs to be celebrated with the whole team. 938 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,760 Yeah, we'll have to get everyone back together, but right now 939 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,600 everyone's on their break and everyone's doing their own 940 00:49:56,600 --> 00:49:59,680 thing, so everyone's scattered. All right. 941 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,960 What are you looking forward to the most like on this break? 942 00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,840 Because it's been like a long year with you. 943 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:08,520 I mean, running at BU and at Millrose, like that was a full 944 00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,600 indoor season. And then now, oh, I guess, yeah, 945 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,240 it's almost October already. And you're talking about how 946 00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:17,200 first day of practice is at the end of October. 947 00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,920 Yeah, it all goes so quick. I mean, I had a really nice time 948 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,680 in Japan. Like Japan was like absolutely 949 00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,720 incredible. Like I, I love it there. 950 00:50:26,720 --> 00:50:30,320 Like, I definitely want to go back again soon. 951 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,080 But I got to spend some time in Kyoto afterwards, which was 952 00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,320 really fun to like, not have to worry about running and actually 953 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:40,880 getting to like, enjoy yourself and explore and be on your feet 954 00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,000 and not hydrate at all. Like, you know, you're just like 955 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:47,280 you're so in tune with like your routine of training and like 956 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,880 recovery that it was nice to just like throw that all out the 957 00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,320 window and like enjoy a vacation for four days there and then now 958 00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:58,320 come back home. And just you travel so much in 959 00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,000 the season that sometimes just so nice to like be in your own 960 00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:05,160 bed, but not with the having to go to practice or do anything 961 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,520 like. So definitely going to like soak 962 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:10,360 that in and spend time with my friends that I haven't been able 963 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:14,400 to really see in the last few months here and definitely plan 964 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:16,920 some little day trips. But yeah, definitely just need 965 00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:21,360 to like take it all in because even after every accomplishment 966 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,240 and race I've had this season of those big moments, I felt it was 967 00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:27,200 kind of like just shifting and moving to the next thing. 968 00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,360 And I remember even people were like, how'd you celebrate US as 969 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:32,600 I was like, I, I didn't even celebrate US as like nothing. 970 00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:34,880 Like there was no celebration. It was just moving on to the 971 00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:38,320 next thing. So I think it's important that 972 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,920 to actually like decompress and like really enjoy it because 973 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:44,800 then once it once it starts back up, it starts back up and 974 00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,040 doesn't end. So yeah, really take it in and 975 00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,720 just like relax and enjoy the off time. 976 00:51:51,720 --> 00:51:53,800 Like I'm not even thinking about running right now, which is how 977 00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,960 it should be. And like I don't have any desire 978 00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,840 to go for a run at this moment. And it's been almost a week. 979 00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:03,880 So well, just listen to the body, listen to the mind and go 980 00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,000 and take it slow again. Like just like I did last fall. 981 00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,400 It was a slow build up and found success with that. 982 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,600 And I wanna do the same thing, like there's nothing to rush for 983 00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:17,240 at this moment, so don't want to be rushing to get back for 984 00:52:17,240 --> 00:52:19,760 anything. Definitely plus I think, like 985 00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,560 you'd you'd mentioned, just sort of like Japan, just culturally 986 00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,320 just such an awesome place. I hope that worlds in the future 987 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:31,080 or just more big meets can find a way to take us there again. 988 00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,520 And this was so much fun to, you know, experience. 989 00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,760 And then I, you know, kind of in the recap episode that I did 990 00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,880 with Nikki Hiltz, like they had mentioned just sort of like all 991 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,960 of the different weird foods that they tried, you know, the 992 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:49,000 711 halls and just the different types of things that were out 993 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:50,240 there. So I need to hear from you, I 994 00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:54,040 guess, like what was the best thing that you ate? 995 00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,760 Most interesting thing that you'd kind of discovered out 996 00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:59,400 there, just like from the Japanese culture. 997 00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:04,840 Oh man, I mean I lived at 7:11, so my mom and Robbie, like, we 998 00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:08,880 went there all the time. I wish that concept of 7-11 999 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,440 would move to the US. It has to come here because 1000 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,000 like, it's like from a business standpoint, it would just kill 1001 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,840 it if we just, like had it just as good as Japan does. 1002 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,480 And the convenience of it, it was incredible. 1003 00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:24,960 Like the food was so good and also like really cheap. 1004 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,520 Like even Robbie and I, one of the best meals we had was 1005 00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,200 definitely in like the Wagyu steaks that we were making on 1006 00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:34,400 the grill ourselves. And like that was so, it was so 1007 00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,280 tender and so delicious. I was like, how did we not spend 1008 00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,120 even $100 here with all the meats that we were eating? 1009 00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,200 And like the conveyor belt sushi was so much fun. 1010 00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:48,960 I was definitely experimenting and trying more of like just 1011 00:53:48,960 --> 00:53:50,480 different fishes and things like that. 1012 00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:54,480 But even just in Kyoto, especially, like any vendor that 1013 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,800 I saw with little snacks, I was just grabbing it like we were 1014 00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,160 just like, it was instead of like eating meals all day, it 1015 00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,360 was just eating snacks throughout the entire day just 1016 00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:06,000 to try new things. And the the bean paste of like 1017 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,360 the desserts just tried more matcha. 1018 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,240 Hadn't gotten into matcha yet, but then was experimenting with 1019 00:54:12,240 --> 00:54:14,840 some matcha. Just everything and even just, 1020 00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,240 yes, Tokyo, it was so crowded with people, but it was so 1021 00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:22,720 amazing with how like even with all those people, everyone was 1022 00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:26,640 just so into their own thing, so respectful. 1023 00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,200 It was so clean. I just couldn't believe that the 1024 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:35,400 way like everything operated, it was so smooth and it was like 1025 00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,920 already coming back here. I was like, what? 1026 00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:42,200 I miss Japan. I, I feel like we all must sound 1027 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,040 like a broken record, just saying like, Oh my gosh, like 1028 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:48,720 people were so nice and polite and then and we come back here 1029 00:54:48,720 --> 00:54:51,000 and it's just sort of like we just revert to our ways of like, 1030 00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,520 all right, we're in a rush to get from place to place. 1031 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:57,280 And like I'm here in New York and like people are pushing each 1032 00:54:57,280 --> 00:55:01,600 other on the, on the trains and like there's just no order to 1033 00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:05,240 things. And I it, it's just so it's so 1034 00:55:05,240 --> 00:55:08,480 funny how like how much of A shock it does hit you. 1035 00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,160 And I guess one other fun question that I asked Nikki was 1036 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,320 just sort of like, what is like one thing that you wish you 1037 00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,240 could like adopt to like your everyday lifestyle? 1038 00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:20,000 And it's like, I think part of it is like, we need more bowing. 1039 00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:25,760 Like bowing felt good. Another thing was I think in 1040 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:29,440 general just people knowing where to walk on like the 1041 00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,280 stairs, like all these different things where it just like it 1042 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,760 just makes sense to implement into our daily lives, but we 1043 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,840 just choose not to. Even I love that. 1044 00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:45,600 And even, Oh my gosh, when we were in like shopping in uni, 1045 00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,760 for example, you can just put like whatever's in your basket, 1046 00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,680 doesn't matter the clothes, you can just take the basket and put 1047 00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,320 it on the scale and it knows everything that you had. 1048 00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:56,600 And my mom like couldn't believe it. 1049 00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:57,720 I was like, no, don't worry, mom. 1050 00:55:57,720 --> 00:55:59,320 It knows. She's like, how does it know? 1051 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,360 Like in the US, you would like question everything. 1052 00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,360 Like you would look at it and be like, no, I'm like, Nope. 1053 00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,520 I trust it. They don't lie here. 1054 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,520 It's all good. And it just knew it was like the 1055 00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:11,320 technology investments were really cool. 1056 00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,160 The hardest part was like eating, eating the food on the 1057 00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,040 streets and then holding your trash for like miles of walking 1058 00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,480 until you got back to the hotel. I kept getting like snacks and 1059 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,400 being like Robbie can you can you hold my chocolate covered 1060 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,800 strawberries for another 3 miles as we walked around town. 1061 00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,440 I'm getting I'm getting hit with all of the reels and tik Toks. 1062 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,880 They're just like when you go to Tokyo or Japan and it's like you 1063 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,240 come back and I think like one of the things was like, oh, 1064 00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,160 someone like holding like a, like a water bottle that they 1065 00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,080 finished. And it's like, if you drank that 1066 00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,600 water bottle like in the morning, like you're likely not 1067 00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,200 going to be able to get rid of it until like you're home and in 1068 00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:55,520 bed or just like, at least like finally buy a trash can, which 1069 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,520 is impossible to find. That was the one thing where I 1070 00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,360 was just like, you know, I think I, I looked at 1:00 here in New 1071 00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:02,280 York, like when I was on the, on the subway, I was like, you 1072 00:57:02,280 --> 00:57:04,240 know, we're, we're really lucky to have that. 1073 00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:06,800 And so now I have a greater appreciation anytime I see a 1074 00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,480 trash can in public. That's so funny. 1075 00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:11,800 I was also seeing all the memes right now. 1076 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,800 And funny enough, a lot of people from my hometown, 1077 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,480 Antennafly, were just in Japan for vacations, it seems like. 1078 00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,200 So it was cool to like see them like on a just a normal vacation 1079 00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,640 in Japan. And one of my friend's last 1080 00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:27,640 story was like a sign that said please take your trash home with 1081 00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:29,560 you. And it was like, yeah, just just 1082 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:31,880 take it home. You know it's in the backpack or 1083 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:35,760 just take it home with you. I, yeah, the side of my backpack 1084 00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,160 was just always filled with just like wrappers and stuff. 1085 00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:41,160 And well, the other thing too is just sort of like, I guess I 1086 00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,200 held onto napkins because like when you would go to a 1087 00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:46,840 restaurant, like there really wasn't like all that many. 1088 00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:49,880 They, they weren't big on like giving you multiple napkins. 1089 00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,800 You'd get like 1 and then that's all you had. 1090 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:54,840 And I was like, I don't think I'm going to be that person to 1091 00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:56,960 ask for another 1. So I guess I'm just going to 1092 00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:59,040 have to deal with this for for the time being. 1093 00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:02,000 And even in the bathrooms of like, you're supposed to bring 1094 00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,840 your own towel and have your own way. 1095 00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:08,160 So I was just like cooling off on my neck with the after 1096 00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,480 washing my hands. But oh, and Rob and I did try a 1097 00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,440 McDonald's in Japan. We just had to see if anything 1098 00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:16,640 was different. And we got like shrimp Nuggets 1099 00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,720 instead of chicken Nuggets. It was a little. 1100 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,400 Different. I didn't get a chance to try 1101 00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,800 this, but it was that was the that was on the menu. 1102 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:25,480 Yeah, it was. I didn't know if it was a new 1103 00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,120 special or not, but then and then like the way they seasoned 1104 00:58:28,120 --> 00:58:30,520 the chicken was like you could like shake the chicken in a bag 1105 00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,120 and then ice cream tone tasted the exact same. 1106 00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:35,920 But we just had to we had to try it. 1107 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,880 We were like, let's just see if it's any different. 1108 00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:41,560 But a couple a couple special items and like different sauces, 1109 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,680 but. They're living in the future. 1110 00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:47,720 I'm 100% convinced. Well, Gisette, thanks so much 1111 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:51,320 for doing this. 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