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All right, we're back. 
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have hopefully all gotten back 
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comes to sleep. 
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isn't over. 
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New York City next week. 
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Rd. races and and fall marathon 
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corner. 
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the CDs Mac podcast, I've been 
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We've got more people lined up. 
I will be recording with Jess 

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Hall tomorrow. 
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I believe we've also got Melissa
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on sometime next week. 
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Sage Herd of Clecker. 
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coming out tomorrow after you're
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So lots and lots on the horizon.
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I, I think I took like 2 days 
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was like, you know what, you got
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they're still fresh in people's 
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So that's why I immediately got 
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more international athletes too.
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Landing. 
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I wanted to see if I could get 
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York City next week, maybe I 
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So many more interviews to come,
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reunited with Preet Majithia, 
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If you're in your car and you're
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applause, take a moment, pull 
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competition. 
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And this man just had initiative
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with as many of the top stars. 
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World Championships. 
I hope you enjoyed your first 

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spectator experience was, was 
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within about 3 minutes of it 
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It was bonkers. 
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from one interview to the other 
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the routine of it, then you 
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quickest route to get back up 
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of the action and be back down 
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you know, so, so that was kind 
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those first few days, let's put 
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between you, Anderson and Paul, 
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to I think that's three times 
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companies in the track and field
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insights directly from the 
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to the Mixone a couple times and
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like really was like thankful to
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coverage that he had been doing 
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obviously support his stuff, 

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follow, subscribe, do all those 
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because, you know, yeah, I kind 
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thoughts from Tokyo, but it's, 
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So it's not the last you'll hear
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the biggest performance. 
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negative categories as well. 
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and you know, I'll be in for 
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one of these categories and then
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happy birthday, Chris. 
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Hope you've got some exciting 
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recording this podcast which I'm
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day. 
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hoping that the Yankees win 
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Boston Red Sox. 
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my Jordan year. 
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fan, like technically right now 
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like, you know, in track, like 
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opportunity, but yeah, 32. 
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So I think the first one I'm 
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the best race of the 
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I think there's the obvious one,
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I think there were a few others.
So Chris, have you got any that 

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that you kind of thought? 
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win stands out one because like 
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right, with him closing so hard.
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respectable 1258 fast 
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from the trend across the board 
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of other slow times. 
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5K, but overall, when we think 
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marathon, of course, was like 
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battle of attrition, like those 
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from a race. 
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know, you kind of zoom out. 
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boxes of like what a dream race 
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looking at it afterwards and it 
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favourites being upset with 
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the end. 
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you know, George Hunter Bell out
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how historic the race was. 
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the 9th fastest time in history.
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Hodgkinson and George Hunter 
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17th fastest times in history, 
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first place time was by far and 
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in in history. 
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Kippy, Aegon winning the 1500 
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just sort of like the best 
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itself. 
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fact that it, I mean, it was 
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Jess Hall just barely holds on 
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Dorcas Ewoi has like a big 
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352. 
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both like Faiths 1500 and Kohl's
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you want to show up in a final 
at a global championship. 

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Yeah, well, next category, best 
Sprint performance. 

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Oh, this is easy. 
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Lebroni's 4778 because and, and 
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she got in everyone's heads 
after that semi final and really

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kind of set it up perfectly for 
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the final. 
And now it's got everyone 

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thinking like, is she going 
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record or when will she break 
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And for the longest time, like 
it was just, you know, we looked

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at how that record held up in 
the in the history books and you

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question so much about it and 
it's like going to stand the 

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test of time, like some of these
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the water like Paul, she needed 
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mean, was she Lane 5 where she 
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of Paulina and Nasser, all of it
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to be able to take off another 
chunk of time where like even in

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the next go around in Beijing, 
which like could Sydney commit 

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herself to the 400 again for 
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She is the reigning world 
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spot there like still in the 
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Like there were these little 
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performance. 
Paulino's, you know, slowing 

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down and and in easing up before
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you know, just the lane draw 
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So then that's where Sidney was 
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on her outside. 
Same with Nasser being on her 

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outside. 
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if all these little things will 
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where it's like it's not a wet 
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I guess like the the heat helps 
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But regardless, as like this was
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and a great race as well. 
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still thinking about Sydney's 
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number of letters you see after 
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You know, championship record 
area record, world leading time,

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like you want all of those 
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And yeah, it had it all. 
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thing with that was was Mara, 
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finish, actually the second best
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championships. 
I mean, that was still the third

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fastest time in history, which 
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bananas. 
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got to see that race. 
It just feels such a privilege 

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to to have sort of witnessed it.
And I mean, yeah, it's something

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we obviously haven't seen in 
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And yeah, it's just, yeah, it 
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And yeah, we hope that. 
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I hope we don't know what 
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Hopefully maybe she'll do some 
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the World Ultimate 
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But and what what what events 
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But you know, at the end of the 
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opportunities at least for 
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where we might get to see 
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people have mixed feelings over,
you know, Sydney and the star 

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that she is because yes, she 
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sometimes could be a little bit 
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showcasing maybe a bit of her 
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you know, on more regular basis.
This year there was a little bit

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of that pivot with Grand Slam. 
Who knows what the future is for

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something like that. 
I I would assume that with her 

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being the cornerstone athlete of
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lock her in for multiple years. 
If it does have, you know, a 

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path forward to come back, is 
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like the stage that she 
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people were like, well, like, 
we're not going to see this 

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again for till 2027 probably 
because, you know, Sydney hasn't

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couple of years and she shows up
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And yes, there was a little bit 
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took in the post race comments 
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I won because, you know, I, you 
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I'm here for it. 
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see Sydney stick it to her 
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just sort of like the big 
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you need to do. 
All you need to do is keep 

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winning and like, it doesn't 
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really say. 
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hoping for more. 
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like, I do enjoy the the the ore
and mystique that Sydney brings 

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with just sort of that level of 
mystery to what is she going to 

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do? 
And like, it's a great talking 

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point for for the rest of us. 
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I mean, that is always the thing
with Sydney, you know, she'll 

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only ever answer two or three 
questions in in the mix zone and

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the interviews and you know, and
even then you're not, you're not

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getting anything wildly broadly 
insightful. 

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interesting because once you've 
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start with the most basic 
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to anything interesting, 
obviously the interview's 

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already over. 
So, you know, but you know, we 

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have seen, you know, bits of 
personality and I and I think 

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this is the thing that people 
don't really realise. 

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And you know, there are a couple
of great interviews on YouTube 

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and stuff if you, if you go 
looking for them, there's one 

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that was done around Grand Slam 
with tea and stuff in an ice 

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bath. 
And there's some really fun, fun

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ones that she has done. 
And you can see more of her 

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personality. 
And I think that that would help

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people connect her if they if 
they go away and watch those, 

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because I think that is where I 
know that a lot of the Europeans

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always complain and struggle and
they say, look, oh, we see femka

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running. 
We can week out. 

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We never see Sydney. 
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her, you know, and, and I think 
there's definitely stuff out 

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there if you go looking for it, 
but I think, you know, she is 

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just, you know, her personality,
she's she's naturally 

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introverted and, and that that's
not her, you know, that's she 

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doesn't like the limelight. 
Like that is not something she 

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enjoys. 
And you know, there's nothing 

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wrong with that. 
You know, it's it's kind of but 

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at the same time, as fans of the
sport, we obviously want to want

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to see her, you know, and see 
more of her and see, you know, 

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more of her personality and 
everything out there as well. 

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So but that that is just us as 
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And obviously it it it's up to 
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things. 
But yeah, I mean, I, I think 

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just behind sort of those the, 
the 400, I was going to give a 

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shout out to obviously Melissa 
Jefferson Wooden, of course, you

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know, 1061 championship record, 
you know, amazing performance 

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doing, doing the triple as well,
you know, all around amazing 

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Sprint performance. 
And then my third kind of place 

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Sprint performance was Wade Van 
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hand timed it as well just to 
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everyone's a bit like unsure 
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And it's definitely a 43 
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43 high, It's it's definitely a 
43 something because he had, you

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know, he had at least half a 
second to a second to make up on

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Botswana and. 
And the USA, which he made-up by

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the end of that leg. 
So he was clearly running a lot 

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faster than. 
So on that note, because I don't

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know, kind of like I, I do like 
the element of surprise of you 

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dropping each one of these 
categories on me. 

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So I don't know necessarily 
where I'll be able to shout out 

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certain people in different 
categories. 

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But while we're on the topic of 
like big Sprint performances, I 

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mean calling Kevin a shippy, 
like for me, I don't know if 

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we're doing breakout star or 
something like that. 

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He's got that because he's super
young. 

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Came into these championships, 
throws down to PB. 

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What is it in the semi finals 
and then backs it up in the 

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actual finals. 
Talk about, you know, peaking at

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the right time, 4353. 
He's super young. 

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In addition to that, the anchor 
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which now I guess, like, yeah, 
my birthday was today, the day 

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before. 
And I guess something I'll 

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remember for the rest of my life
is that Botswana celebrates its 

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2025 World Championship team on 
September 29th. 

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And going forward, 'cause that's
a national holiday for them. 

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So I mean, it's such a big 
performance for not just 

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Botswana, for Africa to come 
away with a gold medal in the 

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400 and the four by four. 
So, Kevin, it should be, I think

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I said it on the last show that 
we did from Tokyo. 

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We all got to get used to saying
the name. 

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We got to get used to how to 
spell it. 

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KEBINATSHIPI, not easy, but it 
was the same way when MEB 

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Kopflezki won the Boston 
Marathon in 2014. 

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I think like a lot of people in 
the Media Center that day who 

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had to either copy and paste it 
or or look it, look at it as as 

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they were typing it, but by the 
end of that day you knew how to 

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spell it. 
I think by the end of these 

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championship championships I've 
gotten better at being able to 

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pronounce Kevin Shippy's name 
and then also the spelling I'm 

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still working on. 
Yeah. 

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Well, biggest breakthrough was 
going to be one of the 

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categories. 
So, so maybe let's do that now. 

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So, so that's so that works. 
But actually there was something

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I wanted to mention with Kevin 
at Shippy and our favorite 

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Australian athlete Gout Gout. 
Did you know that there was a 

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certain Kevin Busan, Colin Kevin
at Shippy in that U23 race which

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Gout Gout won in Monaco and we 
were obviously shitting on that 

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race massively, but she he 
actually beat the soon to be 400

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meter world champion in that 
race. 

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So he wasn't just racing a bunch
of nobodies. 

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So yeah, it's so. 
Funny, how did Kevin Shippy end 

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up in EU 23? 
Because he is. 

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U23, right? 
So you know, so is. 

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Tobogo and tobogo is in the in 
the big one. 

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But yeah, there you are. 
So, yeah, you know, there you 

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go. 
He didn't. 

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He didn't just meet for nobody. 
So. 

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But I thought that was quite a 
fun, fun little fact. 

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But any other big breakthroughs?
I I think I had a couple of 

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others I was going to shout out 
Emma Zaplitolova in the 400 

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hurdles. 
I think, you know, I think I 

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mentioned her before, actually. 
And I think you laughed at me 

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when when I suggested she was 
going to get a medal. 

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So I'm going to take that win, 
obviously. 

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Dorcasy war in the in the 
women's 15. 

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Yeah, Kian Mcphillips of Ireland
in the men's 800. 

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What a breakthrough. 
Like, you know, obviously didn't

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win a medal, but but an insane 
breakthrough. 

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I think there there's. 
A great video of the the Irish 

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TV folks watching that race and 
the good thing is that like they

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weren't on air. 
It's on Instagram somewhere. 

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I think Sonya O'Sullivan was I 
think I saw it because it was 

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collabed with her, but lots of 
good cursing and live play by 

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play reactions to to him being 
actually just in contention. 

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Like maybe going into that day, 
he could have been a happy go 

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lucky. 
Like you know what I made the 

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final. 
This is big. 

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If anyone probably prior to his 
championships would have picked 

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an Irishman to make the final, 
it would have been Mark English.

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But you know, in the semi finals
and in the final, well in the 

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final he ends up, you know, 
demolishing the, the Irish 

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record. 
And so he has the best like 2 

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days of his whole entire career 
and comes away just shy of a 

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medal. 
And so, yeah, I mean, it's he's,

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he's one to definitely remember.
Yeah, I mean, he, yeah, he, he 

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obviously was the European 
junior 1500 meter champion a few

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years ago. 
But then I understand he's, he's

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had a couple of injuries and 
stuff, which is why we may not 

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have seen kind of his 
progression perhaps, but he's 

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obviously come back now with a 
bit of a bang. 

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And on the theme of Irish 
athletes, the other one was Kate

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O'Connor, who again in the 
heptathlon takes the silver 

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medal against a really stacked 
field and has five PBS in out of

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seven events. 
Hugely impressive. 

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I mean, you know, like, and and 
she, I mean she, she has been 

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coming like, you know, you could
see like she, she she did some 

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really impressive performances 
indoors as well and, and 

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snatched A bronze medal at your 
indoors and stuff. 

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So you know, she she's she's 
definitely been on the 

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improvement train, but I don't 
think we saw this big an 

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improvement coming coming right 
off the back. 

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And obviously my favorite 
breakthrough athlete is of 

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course, Amy Hunt. 
So I'm going to going to shout 

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that one out. 
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I think the only other 
breakthrough athlete that I'll 

481
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throw out there is Brian 
Lavelle, right? 

482
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:50,160
Like it's I think he's not quite
at the stardom level of Kishane 

483
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,800
Thompson and oblique Seville 
going into these championships. 

484
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,040
And he had some underrated 
momentum coming into it. 

485
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,760
But I think after that semi 
final, people definitely viewed 

486
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,440
him as a threat. 
I think, you know, us as the 

487
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:08,040
analysts, we're saying we got to
reframe, you know, our, you 

488
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,560
know, is it, is it Noah versus 
Tobogo, Noah versus Kenny? 

489
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,440
It ended like I think going into
the final, I looked at it as 

490
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,800
Noah versus Brian Lavelle, but 
it's still Noah being the the 

491
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:20,880
heavy favorite. 
He ends up with a bronze medal, 

492
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:24,360
which kind of does speak to 
Kenny being able to clutch up, 

493
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:29,200
you know, come the final. 
But yeah, I mean, in the end, 

494
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,040
yeah. 
Noah 1952, Kenny 1958 with the 

495
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:36,200
season's best and then Brian 
Lavelle 1964 PB. 

496
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,360
That's a that's a strong podium 
to try and crack. 

497
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,840
Yeah, absolutely. 
I mean that that, that again, 

498
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,520
that that 200 was, was really, 
you know, Jamaica. 

499
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,160
'S back. 
Jamaica is so back in the 

500
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:48,800
Sprint. 
It's. 

501
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,120
It's crazy, yeah. 
Absolutely. 

502
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:54,440
You know, it's, it's great to 
see it was 3 medals each across 

503
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,320
the 100 and 200 for for USA 
versus Jamaica. 

504
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,800
So I think that was that was 
really good to see. 

505
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,840
So yeah, always, you know, 
that's big hope for the future. 

506
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,120
And I think Jamaica and the 200 
kind of needed a bit of a boost.

507
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,040
So, so it's good to see see 
that. 

508
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,920
And yeah, I mean, I think it was
a historically deep 200 final as

509
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,320
well. 
Just with the, you know, Zarnell

510
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:21,800
Hughes in 5th place with 1978 is
is bonkers because that would, 

511
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,320
you know, under most 
circumstances that would have 

512
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:29,680
got a new medal in in past 
championships, right. 

513
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:34,560
So next category up, I'm going 
to go for what is the biggest 

514
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:45,160
upset of the championships. 
Well, I guess men's 1500 Isaac 

515
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:50,760
Nader very few people would have
predicted that he would have 

516
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:56,360
came away with the gold medal in
this one and honestly, like tell

517
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,440
me now is this one of the 
categories we're going to do 

518
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,920
biggest disappointment I. 
Think I think I I had this one 

519
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,000
in biggest what if, right? 
It's the what if moment of the 

520
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:10,400
championships. 
So the 1500 was the, you know 

521
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,840
what we could have had, right, 
if everyone had made it to the 

522
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:18,520
final healthy and you know that,
you know, had that rerun, OK. 

523
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,240
All right, fine. 
And let me hold off on my 

524
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,440
thoughts on Isaac Nader for a 
second, then I'll then I'll go 

525
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,280
for biggest upset. 
Ted, is it really a a huge upset

526
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,080
when we knew that George Beamish
is very good at the 

527
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,240
steeplechase? 
But the the fact coming into the

528
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:36,520
championships, we probably would
have viewed this as a bit more 

529
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,520
of an upset because a dude 
hadn't, you know, raced in three

530
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:43,440
months or so. 
And Elba Kali was looking to, 

531
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,920
you know, sweep the gold medals 
from Tokyo to Tokyo. 

532
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,840
Even, you know, Edmund Sarum ran
really fast and, and did well in

533
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,200
the Diamond League. 
Frederick Rupert, another person

534
00:30:55,200 --> 00:31:00,520
that you know was being talked 
about as the next guy to break 8

535
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,760
minutes and be a mental 
contender in this one. 

536
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,080
And yet you have George Beamish 
who almost gets his skull 

537
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:12,920
crushed in the set in the in the
prelim and falls claws his way 

538
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,240
back. 
You know, blows past everybody 

539
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,880
in the final 150 meters to 
secure his spot in the final. 

540
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,000
And then in the final when the 
pace is lagging, his odds 

541
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,960
increased. 
As you know, each lap went along

542
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:31,960
and even in the final 200 meters
where there's what is it like, 

543
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,520
there's there's a water barrier 
and a the final hurdle to clear.

544
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:42,200
And yet the textbook George kick
comes through and he closes in 

545
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,840
like 28 seconds or something 
like that with those obstacles 

546
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:50,520
in the way. 
I like, I think knowing that he 

547
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:55,400
had a very disappointing Paris 
Olympics, he had wiltered in the

548
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:59,400
heat of the in the 5K at the 
2022 World Championship. 

549
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,160
So it's like it's hot in Tokyo. 
It's humid. 

550
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,400
Like none of this was playing 
into his favor. 

551
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,120
I think after the first round, 
you probably did see some 

552
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,240
glimpses of like George has a 
good shot of meddling because 

553
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,000
this is affecting everybody. 
And the way he closed in that 

554
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,120
race was very impressive. 
But to win gold, you had to take

555
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:25,200
down Sufian El Bakali, who's an 
all time great in this event and

556
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:30,840
has known nothing but gold. 
And then he does it like in in 

557
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:36,120
in textbook George fashion, 
which was just, you know, chef's

558
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,640
kiss, like the way you want to 
see this. 

559
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,520
So I think like a lot of people,
it kind of gets lost because it 

560
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,760
was in the first half of the the
championships. 

561
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,680
This was, you know, kind of like
the most feel good moment, 

562
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,240
especially because he's done 
such a good job with coffee club

563
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:55,840
podcast to, you know, get a grow
a fan base and have people, you 

564
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,720
know, along for the ride the 
whole entire time over the last 

565
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,760
couple years. 
You ride those highs and lows 

566
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:05,600
with the guy that you know that 
this thing wasn't, you know, in 

567
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,560
this wasn't in the cards a year 
ago in terms of just like, but 

568
00:33:09,880 --> 00:33:13,560
he found a way and stuck with 
the whole process to end up as a

569
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,440
world champion. 
Now now two time world champion,

570
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,520
which is kind of crazy. 
Yeah, I mean, yeah, you got to 

571
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,520
love George Remish that that 
text with George kick is is 

572
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:22,560
insane. 
And it was. 

573
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:26,080
And I mean, yes, Albert Carley 
was a heavy favorite really 

574
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:28,400
going into that race because 
Gemma, we know, was kind of 

575
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,160
coming back from his injury last
year at the Olympics. 

576
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,480
And you know, as much as you can
say Rupert and and there were 

577
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,560
some other guys there, you know,
we knew Rooks was kind of we 

578
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,440
weren't really sure what his 
form was like. 

579
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,400
And and as it turned out, that 
wasn't kind of didn't didn't go 

580
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:44,920
well for him. 
Dismal. 

581
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:48,440
My gosh, actually, now that I 
remember that, like that one 

582
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,280
might have to be chalked up as, 
like, biggest disappointment. 

583
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,440
Yeah, not to be too, too hard on
the guy, but yeah. 

584
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,080
Yeah, but you know, so there 
was, I think Albert Carly was 

585
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,520
definitely a heavy favorite in 
the steeple and losing to George

586
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,800
Beamish was a big upset. 
At the same time, if you knew 

587
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:08,440
George Beamish, I don't think it
was that big a surprise like 

588
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,440
that, that, you know, once the 
race started going slow, it was 

589
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,120
just no surprise that you're 
Greenbush won. 

590
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,679
Who you go? 
Biggest upset, I mean, I, I 

591
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:21,360
would say one of the ones I 
think is no medal for Caston 

592
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,480
Warholm, but was it was a big 
upset for me. 

593
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,679
I mean, there weren't, you know 
what, there weren't a huge 

594
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,600
number of upsets in terms of 
heavy favourites because I 

595
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:32,679
think, well it. 
Just means we're holding off on 

596
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,520
our discussion around the men's 
1500. 

597
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,960
That's literally I think the 
definition of like the biggest 

598
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,760
upset I. 
Don't know when there was an 

599
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,320
upset because obviously the 
people who were beaten weren't 

600
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:43,360
necessarily the favourites going
in, right? 

601
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,639
The people who have beaten in 
the fight, like that's why I 

602
00:34:45,639 --> 00:34:48,159
don't see it as necessarily an 
upset because once you got to 

603
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:51,719
the final, like I think Keely 
being beaten in the women's 8 

604
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,520
was a big upset, I think or 
relatively speaking, a big upset

605
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,720
once she she came back in those 
last couple of races. 

606
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:03,080
Although there I don't know if 
you saw her YouTube vlog, The 

607
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,760
reason why I haven't gone to 
watching yet. 

608
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,000
She literally had the shits. 
That was what she said in the 

609
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,600
vlog, IE and and it's one of 
those things that apparently is 

610
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:15,040
going round on throughout the 
rounds and they only figured it 

611
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,600
out after the semi final. 
Why? 

612
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,840
She was kind of feeling so low 
on energy and they only had a 

613
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,080
couple of days to fix it. 
Obviously, once you've kind of 

614
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,400
done, was it a baking? 
Soda pudding because like, 

615
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:29,440
that'll catch up the people. 
But you know, like she she was, 

616
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,160
but I think they were saying, 
look, you know, they, they only 

617
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,320
had a couple days to fix it. 
And if you think about like how 

618
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,040
much energy that like you 
depleted your energy by racing 

619
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:44,760
twice and you've got that issue 
like it's it is going to take 

620
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,120
something out of you for the 
final. 

621
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,120
And the fact that she still ran 
like a stupidly fast time. 

622
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,240
In any case, it was was still 
very impressive, I think. 

623
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:56,800
But and that's probably why she 
was a little more philosophical 

624
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,000
about it. 
But I think it was still a big 

625
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,440
upset for me. 
But yeah, Caston was probably 

626
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:01,840
the other one. 
I think that's the thing. 

627
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,360
Like there was some random 
medals, but random gold 

628
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,080
medalists, but they were in 
events where there was no real 

629
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,040
favorite, like the women's 
javelin or, you know, was 

630
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,680
random. 
And, you know, there are a 

631
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,200
couple of others. 
But I think, yeah, you're 

632
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,720
getting. 
Me excited to talk about 

633
00:36:16,720 --> 00:36:21,080
disappointments because I think 
like one of the all right, let 

634
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,600
me get my big disappointment off
my chest here. 

635
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:24,560
Let's go. 
For it, yeah. 

636
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:29,240
What's her first name? 
Hittaguchi The Yeah, Haruka. 

637
00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:34,600
Hiruka Kittaguchi, Yes. 
Haruka Kittaguchi yes, massive 

638
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:39,360
disappointment like, and like I,
I don't, I don't think that 

639
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:42,800
she'll listen to this. 
So it's it's it's fair to say, 

640
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,320
but like the schedule around the
women's javelin was like 

641
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,520
position so that they could 
highlight a potential gold medal

642
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,720
in this event. 
When we were taking the train to

643
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:58,880
the stadium, there'd be this ad 
that plays where to, you know, 

644
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,720
really sell it to the common, 
you know, sports fan or person 

645
00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:05,040
or just like how impressive her 
throws are? 

646
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:10,920
They put like they AI, you know,
the CGI put a airplane on the 

647
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,960
infield and like her javelin 
throw would clear that thing 

648
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:16,400
just to kind of show to the 
average person like that's how 

649
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,000
impressive she is. 
And then she doesn't even make 

650
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,640
the final. 
So I thought that that one, it 

651
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:28,000
just sort of like it's really 
it's hard to let your country 

652
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,520
down. 
But I think that that's what 

653
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,160
this was where the World 
Championships are in your home 

654
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,440
country. 
And this is such a big moment. 

655
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:40,600
I don't know. 
And I think like the way that 

656
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,840
competition also played out, 
like it wasn't anything all that

657
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,120
spectacular. 
So in general, maybe the women's

658
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:52,760
javelin and also just, you know,
Kitaguchi not making the the the

659
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,560
final biggest disappointment 
maybe for the championships 

660
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:01,520
themselves, because had she made
the final and won gold or even 

661
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,720
medal, that place would have 
been going absolutely ballistic.

662
00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:09,560
And so from that side of things,
that's where I look at it as, 

663
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,720
you know, that if for for one, 
one, a single person's 

664
00:38:12,720 --> 00:38:14,960
disappointment, I'm putting it 
on her. 

665
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:16,640
Sorry. 
Yeah. 

666
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:20,080
I mean, like, like she, she was 
absolutely devastated. 

667
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,240
Like coming through the mix 
zone. 

668
00:38:21,240 --> 00:38:25,200
It was really hard to watch like
after her like qualification it 

669
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,480
was. 
Like, the Japanese press corps 

670
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,880
was huge for this thing, 
obviously, because it's like 

671
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,240
their home championships. 
So, yeah, yeah. 

672
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:36,080
No, I mean, it was it was really
hard to watch, to be honest. 

673
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:40,280
But you know, and look, she she 
has had some issues this season 

674
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,400
and she hasn't been very 
consistent in the dime league. 

675
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,640
But the woman's javelin as a 
whole has just been, I'm sorry 

676
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,600
to say, a really bad this was 
the worst winning mark in 

677
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,640
history in World Championships 
history. 

678
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,680
And now what do you want? 
If you're the gold medalist, you

679
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,360
don't want to hear that, no. 
I mean, look, credit to was it 

680
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,320
Columbia's Julia Anglesey or 
something? 

681
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:07,480
Like you know who was a surprise
called Angula? 

682
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,960
It's from Ecuador. 
Ecuador. 

683
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,840
Sorry. 
National record, 65.12 meters. 

684
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:15,800
Yeah. 
Credit to her, she showed up on 

685
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:19,200
the day and took advantage of 
the fact that, you know, no one 

686
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,240
was really throwing very well. 
And you know, sheep, sheep. 

687
00:39:23,240 --> 00:39:27,800
She really took advantage. 
So you know that that's that's 

688
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,240
great. 
But as an event, like 

689
00:39:30,240 --> 00:39:33,080
unfortunately the women's 
javelin has not been great all 

690
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,920
year. 
It's been very inconsistent. 

691
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,560
Like even the people you have 
thrown far, they thrown far in 

692
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,920
one or two competitions and then
thrown very poorly the next 

693
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,120
week. 
It's been, it's been really, 

694
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:48,880
really inconsistent and yeah, 
and, and it didn't really get 

695
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:50,360
any better at these 
championships, unfortunately, 

696
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:51,600
which is. 
Which is funny because like 

697
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,080
there are a couple like events 
that going into the 

698
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:57,400
championships, you probably were
just like, oh, that's such a 

699
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,520
dud. 
Like, you know, the men's high 

700
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,240
jump in particular too was like 
one of those is like, and then 

701
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,960
you end up with a really good 
competition between Hamish Kerr 

702
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:10,640
and then Wu Sang Yok like and 
like, it should come the 

703
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:12,280
championship. 
Sometimes you can erase just 

704
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,200
sort of like what the rest of 
the season was like for the 

705
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,880
event. 
But when you don't have the star

706
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:21,840
attached to it and the 
competition's a dud, then, yeah,

707
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,320
that's where sort of like where 
you can pinpoint. 

708
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,960
I was like, that was a little 
bit of a let down, yeah. 

709
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,120
Exactly I mean the other event 
coming in that I thought would 

710
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,760
be a real dud was the men's 
triple jump and again that 

711
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:35,920
petitions it was insane. 
I mean that you know, Dala 

712
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:40,080
Valley of Italy in the in the 
sixth round jump 1764 massive 

713
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,760
personal best. 
It's his first competition of 

714
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:49,440
the season and he he jumps that 
and then Pedro Pichardo, who's, 

715
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:55,600
you know, just been overtaken 
for, for that gold medal, has 

716
00:40:55,600 --> 00:41:00,520
the last jump of the competition
and jump 1791, which clutch, 

717
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:04,400
absolutely clutch and and makes 
it really respectable. 

718
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,960
And I think Rich Newman from the
podium podcast, he was saying, 

719
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,080
you know, he was commentating on
it. 

720
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,600
And basically Pedro Pichardo, 
once he got it, he was really 

721
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,120
funny. 
Like he came in front of the 

722
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,680
camera as like, I got it bad. 
Like, and he was like the way he

723
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,520
was saying like, you know, watch
that. 

724
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,800
Like, you know, he was like 
really like big himself up and 

725
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,840
the way he was like just saying 
it with like different words on 

726
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,120
the end and like he was just 
like really playing up to the 

727
00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:29,320
cameras. 
It was a lot of fun. 

728
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,600
I think, you know, at the end of
the day, yes, it was good that 

729
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:36,680
the, the men's, because I think 
we've talked about the men's 

730
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,520
triple jump. 
You know, that world record has 

731
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,320
not been, you know, no one's 
gotten close to it in, in such a

732
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,680
long, you know, 30 / 30 years. 
And I think Jonathan Edwards 

733
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,560
himself did an interview 
recently where he kind of 

734
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,720
highlighted the fact that it 
doesn't really show the progress

735
00:41:50,720 --> 00:41:53,200
if no one's really kind of 
touching that world record in, 

736
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,040
in this longer period of time. 
So I'm glad that we got a good, 

737
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:58,480
good men's triple jump 
competition. 

738
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:05,040
So yeah, I think we've also 
maybe done well best field 

739
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:08,480
event. 
That's that's kind of given 

740
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,440
we've been talking a few field 
events. 

741
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:19,120
Yeah, let me see. 
I mean, Mondo is always a really

742
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,440
fun performance when he breaks 
the world record. 

743
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,840
I didn't stick around in the 
stadium for the men's discus 

744
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,760
'cause I got I I headed back to 
do the post race show, but it 

745
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,000
was the one that was affected by
the pouring rain and basically 

746
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,640
the meet had ended. 
Yet people stuck around to to 

747
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,520
watch that one. 
But I like it ended up being 

748
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,560
just way back and forth. 
Daniel Stahl with the gold 

749
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:49,160
medal. 
I'm trying to think what was my 

750
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:55,000
favorite field event. 
I like the long jump. 

751
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,000
Tara Davis Woodall is always 
entertaining but she won by so 

752
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:02,520
much and similarly Val Allman. 
The story of finally getting the

753
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,760
world Championship gold medal. 
Can I say I guess because it 

754
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,720
count? 
Does it count if I go heptathlon

755
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:13,200
and Anna Hall winning at all? 
Yeah, no, that's, that's fine. 

756
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,960
That'll be Yeah. 
I mean, heptathlon was, was was 

757
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,400
a fabulous competition, great to
watch. 

758
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,280
And yeah, thankfully that was 
one of the things I got to watch

759
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,960
quite a lot of as well that day.
So yeah, I'm going. 

760
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,520
To go with that, yeah. 
Yeah, yeah, obviously I think, I

761
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,320
think the crazy finish in the 
heptathlon kind of makes it an 

762
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,320
amazing competition. 
Like the fact that because I was

763
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,640
sitting with Talia Brooks's 
family, like that's where our 

764
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,200
sort of some of the silliest 
seats were. 

765
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,760
So I was sitting there with sort
of Talia's family and obviously 

766
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:50,160
the ASICS Rep came along just 
after the the javelin finished 

767
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:53,480
and were like, you know, he was 
kind of, they were, they were 

768
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:54,960
all trying to figure out what 
was going on. 

769
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,520
And I was the one who told them,
look, it's got to be about 6 

770
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,480
seconds. 
Talia's got to stay within just 

771
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,200
under 6 sections of KJT to 
secure her bronze medal. 

772
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,040
And that is exactly what 
happened. 

773
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,640
They were almost exactly 6 
seconds apart and they tied on 

774
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,120
points and like it's mind 
boggling that that could happen 

775
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,720
like 100th a second either way. 
And that's not happening. 

776
00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:21,760
So it's absolutely mind boggling
that yeah, that's kind of or a 

777
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:24,280
couple of hundredths I think. 
And and it that's not happening,

778
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,480
so I guess. 
I had, I had a limited time for 

779
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:33,600
my chat with, with Talia when we
recapped it in, in, in Tokyo. 

780
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:38,000
But what is the tiebreaker rule?
Because like, especially in a, 

781
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:42,240
in a, in a, in an event where 
there were 7 competitions, like 

782
00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:46,960
I'm sure you can find the tiny 
margin of where one athlete was 

783
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,360
better than the other. 
So. 

784
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,200
What they do is if it's for the 
gold medal, there is a 

785
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,080
tiebreaker, which I think is 
around like how many events 

786
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:56,480
you've won or over the other 
person. 

787
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:01,720
But if if it's for silver or 
bronze, they just award a joint 

788
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:04,920
medal because it's who would. 
Have won the tiebreaker for the 

789
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,120
bronze if they replied the rules
for first. 

790
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:11,880
I have not looked into that, but
I because obviously Talia won 

791
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:16,280
the long jump, KJT won the 800. 
Yeah, Talia won the hurdles, 

792
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:26,760
high jump, KJT won and then 
javelin, I think Talia won and 

793
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,640
the shot put, I don't know who 
won. 

794
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,760
I think Talia got the shot. 
So maybe I think Talia. 

795
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,240
Did 'cause she, she got like APB
in that one too. 

796
00:45:34,240 --> 00:45:35,520
So, yeah. 
All right. 

797
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:36,680
Tybricker would have gone to 
Talia. 

798
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:37,400
Nice. 
Yeah. 

799
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:39,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
But but no, it was, it was 

800
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,000
awesome to see. 
And like that it all played out.

801
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:44,840
And then afterwards, after the 
medal ceremony, I was 

802
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:50,040
interviewing KJT and I was 
asking, did you think like Anna 

803
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:54,960
went out deliberately slowly to 
enable Talia to get a medal, You

804
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,640
know, a bit of Team USA. 
And then Anna was right there. 

805
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,480
So then they started, I, I asked
Anna as well and they started 

806
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:03,000
chatting to each other, which is
really cool. 

807
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,000
And Anna was like, Oh no, I was 
scared of Cat overtaking me. 

808
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:11,040
I just wanted to win the 800. 
And so, yeah, it was a that's a 

809
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,920
great little conversation 
actually between the two of 

810
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,600
them, which was a lot of fun. 
But you know, it was a fantastic

811
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,320
competition. 
And they're just great 

812
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:20,400
personalities in in in the HEP 
as well. 

813
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,160
There's just so much there. 
So I always encourage people to 

814
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:25,720
to follow along with the multi 
events. 

815
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,800
Yeah. 
Someone once emailed me and said

816
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,640
that like, for as much as I love
the numbers around the world 

817
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,920
rankings around the 10K and 
stuff, that I'd, I'd be a a big 

818
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,040
fan of like the heptathlon and 
decathlon. 

819
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,440
So yeah, I mean, could, could be
right up my alley. 

820
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,320
Well. 
Maybe next year if you're, you 

821
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,600
know, no, no global 
championships come down to got 

822
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,480
sis Anna Hall says she's going 
to do it. 

823
00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:53,360
So, yeah, I would I would 
recommend coming to that because

824
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:57,120
that is the most incredible 
competition for the multi 

825
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:04,640
events, right next category, but
maybe best comeback. 

826
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:09,120
So comeback from injury or 
comeback after, you know, some 

827
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:13,000
years in the wilderness. 
I think we've got a few few 

828
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,680
candidates there. 
Yulamar Rojas obviously is is a 

829
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,400
big one. 
I think I. 

830
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:23,320
Think yeah, Yulamar Rojas for 
bronze in the triple jump. 

831
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:26,920
That's remarkable. 
Ryan Krauser is kind of a bit 

832
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:31,680
more expected because he's Ryan 
Krauser. 

833
00:47:32,720 --> 00:47:35,640
But still, I guess like all of 
the the question marks around 

834
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:39,880
his health then in the sense of 
just sort of like coming back 

835
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,680
from the depths of hell to win 
the race. 

836
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,920
Like then you you go to George 
Beamish. 

837
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:51,760
I mean, Jake Whiteman, I think 
is, is obviously come back a 

838
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,880
massive comeback. 
I think, you know, given what 

839
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,120
he's been through the last 
couple of years, not really 

840
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:01,480
being able to race in in 2023. 
Can I say Cole Hawker, like Cole

841
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,200
Hawker coming back from the 
disappointment of the DQI? 

842
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,720
Guess that's also just sort of a
a big comeback as well. 

843
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:13,520
I mean, I was just thinking 
about like, you know, every year

844
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,520
the 5K is just won by the 
angriest person from the 1500, 

845
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,720
right? 
That's, that's, that's, that's, 

846
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,840
that's the way it goes, right? 
The last couple of years it's 

847
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,600
been Yakob and now it's it's 
it's Cole Hawker. 

848
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:30,240
But. 
Let me throw another one out 

849
00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:31,960
there, I guess, like another 
good comeback. 

850
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,600
I mean, in general, yes, she 
didn't win and she ended up with

851
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,880
a bronze medal. 
But Keely Hodgkinson has to get 

852
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:45,560
massive comeback points for just
not even being in spikes in 

853
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:50,000
early June and still being able 
to run as fast as she did in 

854
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,080
that first race back and then 
being a force at these 

855
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:59,440
championships. 
I think I think you can you can 

856
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:02,320
give Keeley a comeback of the 
year award. 

857
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:08,320
Maybe also like a Tina Clayton 
because like, you come back from

858
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,560
a lot of the talk and she that 
she wasn't even like the the 

859
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:17,000
better of the two twins. 
And, you know, she ends up with 

860
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,760
a silver medal in the 100 
running 1076. 

861
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,000
I So I mean, we got to double 
check and make sure that was 

862
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,320
Tina Clayton who was running, 
right? 

863
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,560
Not, not her sister, right. 
Yeah. 

864
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:31,840
So, yeah, I look at that just 
sort of, yeah. 

865
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,360
I mean, there's there's so many 
ways to define the word 

866
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,960
comeback. 
And so the the wildest. 

867
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:42,080
One, I think is Kashawn Walcott,
who was the 2012 Olympic 

868
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,840
champion in the javelin, and the
other one, a global championship

869
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,480
since. 
And he comes back thirteen years

870
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,160
later and wins the world 
Championship gold medal, which 

871
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,760
is, yeah, that's crazy. 
You know, he's been around. 

872
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,600
It's not necessarily that he's 
been injured or anything, but 

873
00:49:58,600 --> 00:50:01,320
he's never rediscovered that 
level of form. 

874
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:06,160
And you know, he turned up in 
Tokyo and Can you believe? 

875
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:12,200
That like you, you meddle in 
2012, you win again in 2025 and 

876
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,960
then now you've got a spot 
assured for 2027. 

877
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,920
Like crazy. 
That's such, yeah, I mean. 

878
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,640
He was very young when he run in
2012. 

879
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:24,120
He's only 32 years old, so he's 
not like super old, but he's 

880
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:25,800
been around a long time. 
He's not like. 

881
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,200
The marathoner. 
Oh. 

882
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,040
I interviewed him. 
That was so much fun. 

883
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:31,840
I actually interviewed him after
the marathon. 

884
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,480
I was like, I've got to 
interview this guy. 

885
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:34,160
He has. 
English. 

886
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:34,720
I didn't. 
I didn't. 

887
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:36,200
I didn't. 
Yeah, his English is pretty. 

888
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,600
Good. 
I think he, he, yeah, he lives 

889
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,480
in, I think he lives in Japan or
Korea somewhere. 

890
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:45,400
But he, he's very, you know, he 
was, he was very talk. 

891
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,600
I mean, I don't think he was 
particularly complimentary of 

892
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:51,120
Mongolia as a country because I 
think he didn't had the support 

893
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,960
he's wanted, but he's obviously 
getting the opportunity to 

894
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,240
represent. 
Yeah, buddy. 

895
00:50:59,240 --> 00:51:01,640
I wouldn't complain too much 
because then if they stop 

896
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:04,640
sending you to these teams then 
you're gonna have to try and run

897
00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,760
for another country and it's not
as easy probably to qualify 

898
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:12,520
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925
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926
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927
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928
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they're able to allow us to 
channel our love for the sport 

929
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:51,200
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Yeah, but I mean, that's a 

930
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niche, A niche one. 
But Sarah Battleshire, check out

931
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,200
the interview on YouTube 
because, yeah, it's a it's a lot

932
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,520
of fun to to sort of talk to 
some of these like unique 

933
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:03,800
athletes, shall we say, who've 
who've kind of got these special

934
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:07,640
stories. 
And then that is. 

935
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,960
Kind of funny, I did, I did 
watch a couple of interviews of 

936
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:14,200
people from like the early 
rounds of like the 100 that 

937
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,320
other people I think posted 
because I don't think we really 

938
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,000
posted any interviews from like 
the prelim round of the men's 

939
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,120
100. 
But if you catch a couple of 

940
00:53:21,120 --> 00:53:24,360
them that are just like floating
around on on social media, you 

941
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,800
hear the people and like, you 
see like the kit and you're 

942
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,640
expecting like crazy, you know, 
unique accent or something like 

943
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:32,120
that. 
No, they probably just sound 

944
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,560
like they're from somewhere in 
the United States, like Texas or

945
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:41,000
Florida or somewhere, somewhere 
here and that they just, you 

946
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,920
know, have found the eligibility
to be able to represent another 

947
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:45,960
country. 
They're American. 

948
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:49,480
They're just in a different kit.
But I was just always laughing. 

949
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,280
I was like, that's not it. 
Someone from that little tiny 

950
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,840
Pacific island. 
That person's from like Georgia,

951
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:00,720
George of the country, George of
the state, to be clear, for that

952
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:07,520
joke to land. 
I was the next one I was going 

953
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:12,440
to do with best sportsmanship of
the the World Championships. 

954
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:17,200
I think there were a few, a 
couple of good, good instances, 

955
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,560
but have you got any that come 
to mind? 

956
00:54:23,240 --> 00:54:25,840
I think there was pure joy out 
of faith. 

957
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:31,440
Kippy Aegon, you know, with 
Dorcas Ewoi in the semi finals, 

958
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,720
like when she turned around and 
saw that Dorcas was like right 

959
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,640
with her and that she made it 
through to the final. 

960
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:43,360
And so she was able to then lead
her to a silver medal. 

961
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:47,040
So that sticks out to me. 
I was like, oh, that's really 

962
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,760
cool. 
Like it's, you know, the all 

963
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:54,280
time great with the with 
potentially one of Kenya's next 

964
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:59,320
stars sports. 
There was the guy the the 

965
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,480
steeplechase, right? 
Like there was some guy helping 

966
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,960
the other guy out and like as 
they finished the race. 

967
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,120
Oh, I, I didn't see that 
actually. 

968
00:55:06,120 --> 00:55:08,480
So yeah, that happened. 
Both guys didn't make it 

969
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,200
through. 
I was going to say Ezekiel, 

970
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:18,320
Nathaniel or Nathaniel, Ezekiel.
Good Paul, because he obviously 

971
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:21,640
said quite clearly, oh, why 
Benjamin's like whatever, 

972
00:55:21,720 --> 00:55:24,600
knocking the hurdle, knocking my
hurdle didn't, didn't affect me.

973
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,120
And he said it in a couple of 
the interviews. 

974
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:33,320
So that, that I'll, that I'll 
say I think Sharika Jackson with

975
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,960
Antonique Strawn, who kind of in
the semi at the end of the semi 

976
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,800
final pulled a hamstring and 
Sharika was kind of like looking

977
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,840
after her and, and they're 
really good friends. 

978
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,000
And and then she actually stops 
in the mixed zone and told the 

979
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,000
reporter, look, I've got to go 
look after Antonique. 

980
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,160
She's injured, she might not run
in the final, but you know, she 

981
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:54,000
just about made it through as 
well, tied with with Mackenzie 

982
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:57,560
Long, But that was that was kind
of quite nice. 

983
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:04,600
But my favorite moment was Elena
Patterson sitting there with 

984
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:10,120
Angelina Topitch in the rain 
waiting to see if because the 

985
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:13,240
high jump competition was 
stopped for quite a while due to

986
00:56:13,240 --> 00:56:17,600
the rain and basically Topich 
had to wait for Mohuchik to take

987
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:21,600
all her attempts at 2 meters to 
see, otherwise they'd have been 

988
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:22,800
tied. 
They were tied for the bronze 

989
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,960
medal, but if Mohuchik obviously
got over 2 meters then then 

990
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:28,520
Topich wouldn't have gotten the 
medal. 

991
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:33,120
So she was waiting, I think for 
like an hour or something in the

992
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,760
rain and Allen passed out or in 
the rain. 

993
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:36,200
Yeah. 
Yeah, like, because the 

994
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,280
competition was paused, right? 
That was the problem, right? 

995
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,840
The competition was paused. 
So they were like hanging around

996
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,960
waiting for ages. 
I mean, Yaroslava was taking a a

997
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:47,680
nap in a sleeping bag, as she 
always does. 

998
00:56:48,440 --> 00:56:51,280
But yeah, they they had to, they
had to wait. 

999
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:52,440
And Allena was sitting there 
with her. 

1000
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,080
And you know, there's, there's 
some really cute posts on 

1001
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:55,680
Instagram from the two of them 
as well. 

1002
00:56:57,120 --> 00:56:59,320
Really lovely. 
But it, it's nice to kind of see

1003
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,000
the sisterhood actually in the 
high jump. 

1004
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,280
And we saw that quite a bit like
when we were in, in Zurich as 

1005
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:10,240
well, when everyone was just so 
happy for each other, like in 

1006
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:13,360
interviews and stuff, when you 
after like a couple of people 

1007
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,800
broke 2 meters and stuff for the
first time there as well. 

1008
00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,000
And yeah, there's a really good 
sisterhood there in the, in the 

1009
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:21,160
high jump. 
Can I? 

1010
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:24,320
Just I'll shout out one more 
sportsmanship thing. 

1011
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,320
Jacob being a Brits and showing 
up. 

1012
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:32,840
I think for me like that's that 
that he clearly was not at 100%,

1013
00:57:32,840 --> 00:57:38,080
not even close. 
I'd put him maybe at 70% ready 

1014
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:42,840
for a championship like this and
then fully gets exposed in the 

1015
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,560
first round of the 1500 didn't 
have any gear change in the in 

1016
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,840
in the heats. 
So he gets eliminated. 

1017
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,240
He mean he was pretty honest 
after the race and said it was 

1018
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,640
terrible. 
So then you're left wondering, 

1019
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,320
like, what's he gonna like? 
Is he even gonna run the 5K? 

1020
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:02,000
Like, makes it through by the 
skin of his teeth into the 

1021
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,720
final. 
And then the final takes the 

1022
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,840
lead for a bit, which I guess I 
didn't. 

1023
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,560
I should have made note of it 
before I talked to Cole. 

1024
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,600
But like there is a little tiny 
degree of like for Cole, like 

1025
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:18,720
that gold medal in Paris, like 
Jakob made the race that 

1026
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,920
eventually Cole ended up 
winning. 

1027
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:24,400
And in this one too, that 4th 
kilometer, which I believe is 

1028
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,880
where Jakob was up towards the 
front was the slowest one that 

1029
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:31,920
also helped tee up another kick 
for gold for for coal. 

1030
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:35,520
So there's like a a little part 
of it that is like Cole has 

1031
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:39,080
something, it has a little part 
to thank Jakob for those two 

1032
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:44,800
gold medals. 
But I, I, I do think that Jacob 

1033
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,520
showing up when he wasn't even 
ready to compete at this thing 

1034
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:50,400
speaks a lot to him as a 
competitor that he's not just 

1035
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,400
going to, you know, stay at home
and watch this thing. 

1036
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:56,760
And then allows us to play the 
big what if, you know, because 

1037
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,320
we will, you know, play that 
scenario with the men's 1500 for

1038
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:05,760
for a long time. 
But he yeah, kudos to him for 

1039
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:09,080
being a sportsman and showing up
even though he wasn't anywhere 

1040
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,280
near his top form. 
Yeah, absolutely. 

1041
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,520
No, I, I, I, I think, yeah, that
Jacob, Jacob has to be given a 

1042
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,960
lot of, lot of kudos for that. 
And I think, you know, the fact 

1043
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,200
that he managed to run 1302 
wildly, wildly impressive, you 

1044
00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:26,240
know, that is not a slow time in
those conditions. 

1045
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,320
And yes, he didn't have the gear
change. 

1046
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,960
He obviously hadn't been able to
do the workouts like the speed 

1047
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,480
workouts and stuff that he 
needed to do with his Achilles 

1048
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,200
and stuff. 
But, but he obviously has, has 

1049
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,840
the endurance and, and the 
fitness to run, run quick, quick

1050
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:44,840
times in a, in a time trial. 
So, you know, I, I, I fully 

1051
00:59:44,840 --> 00:59:50,520
expect him to be back all guns 
blazing next year when the time 

1052
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,440
comes. 
And, and obviously, you know, 

1053
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,400
I'm sure he'll try and sweep 
Europeans. 

1054
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:57,240
He's pretty much unbeatable at 
that level. 

1055
00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:02,640
And well, I I wonder if. 
I Europeans, actually, I'm kind 

1056
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,960
of looking forward to seeing if 
if Laros and Kerr and Whiteman 

1057
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,560
and everyone all show up, then 
then that could be really great 

1058
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,080
competition. 
Nader. 

1059
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,240
Nader exactly. 
Yeah. 

1060
01:00:12,240 --> 01:00:15,360
So I think, I think yeah, you, 
you've got a, you've got 

1061
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:19,040
potential for a really great 
competition in, in the, in the 

1062
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:23,560
Euro 1500. 
So if I gave a sportsman award 

1063
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,480
to Yaakov, I guess I'll give one
to Josh Kerr as well for 

1064
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:31,280
finishing that 1500, even though
like he was, you know, his calf 

1065
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:35,880
was hanging off of his bone. 
I think at that point, Josh, 

1066
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:40,080
risk, I mean, I guess there's no
season left, but risk maybe the 

1067
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:43,560
long term health of his of his 
calf by by doing that. 

1068
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,840
But I watched his video that he 
posted afterwards where he kind 

1069
01:00:46,840 --> 01:00:48,880
of gives an explanation of the 
injury. 

1070
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,120
And yeah, he was just like, you 
just never know. 

1071
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:55,520
And so my job is to finish these
races. 

1072
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,040
Part of it was like, what is he 
hoping for? 

1073
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,760
Like the the the other guys in 
the field just get totally DQ Ed

1074
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:04,640
and wiped out by an asteroid. 
And then he just happens to be 

1075
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:09,920
the only person on the track. 
But no, I mean, like, you know, 

1076
01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:12,640
hoping that he makes a full 
recovery from this injury and 

1077
01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:17,120
bounces back because, yeah, I 
mean, the marquee event that we 

1078
01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:20,160
thought we were going to get 
just could not, have, you know, 

1079
01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:21,960
been any more different this 
time around. 

1080
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:23,520
Yeah. 
I mean, I think maybe maybe 

1081
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:27,760
let's segue to that. 
The biggest sort of what if of 

1082
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:31,080
of the Champs, and I mean it, 
it's obviously that 1500, we 

1083
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:34,360
didn't have the Olympic champion
Cole Hawk. 

1084
01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,840
We didn't have any of the top 
five from the Olympics in the 

1085
01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:38,200
race think. 
About it. 

1086
01:01:38,360 --> 01:01:40,360
No Cole Hawker because he got 
dequeued. 

1087
01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:45,520
No Josh Kerr. 
Josh Kerr was in it, but then 

1088
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,920
not the Josh Kerr. 
No yard and a goose because he 

1089
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,760
didn't he didn't make the meat. 
No Yakubinga Britsen because he 

1090
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,600
was bounced in the first round. 
No Hobbs Kessler because he 

1091
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:01,120
didn't make the US team. 
So I guess who was The Who was 

1092
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:03,040
the top attorney was Niels 
Laros. 

1093
01:02:03,080 --> 01:02:05,680
And he was apparently dealing 
with like a little bit of a leg 

1094
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:09,360
injury possibly in that final 
because it clearly affected him 

1095
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:10,680
in the first round of the five 
case. 

1096
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:15,360
So all of these fireworks that 
we'd been hoping for just never 

1097
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:18,280
went off. 
And we also lost obviously the 

1098
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:22,080
two fastest men in the year as 
Dean Habs, Fanuel Coech as well,

1099
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,280
who who got bounced in the first
round. 

1100
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,560
So, you know, we, we lost a lot 
of the kind of, you know, what 

1101
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:31,480
was being set up this whole 
year. 

1102
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:34,240
We kind of didn't get any of it 
really. 

1103
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:38,880
And and. 
Listen, like I didn't expect the

1104
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,560
1500 meter final to be a three 
27328 race. 

1105
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,840
Slowly as like these pieces 
started to fall apart, like 

1106
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:51,000
going into the semi finals, you 
know, even when Josh advanced, 

1107
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,360
like we were all thinking this 
is going to be Kerr versus 

1108
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:55,240
Laros. 
Now at least we have that. 

1109
01:02:55,680 --> 01:02:58,640
And then what we didn't know is 
just how affected that Josh was 

1110
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:03,920
from the fall in the semi final.
So he's kind of taken out and 

1111
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,640
how if Laros was dealing with 
this injury, you know, going 

1112
01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:12,640
into the 1500 meter final. 
And so then when it, you know, 

1113
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:16,760
as the race is playing out and 
became a 334 race, it was 

1114
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,000
anyone's ball game. 
And Jake had been making 

1115
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,520
progress through that first 
round that he started. 

1116
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:24,640
He looked really good. 
And I think like I think after 

1117
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,600
the heats were just sort of 
like, I think we need to start 

1118
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:29,360
talking about Jake a bit more 
because he's he's he's looking 

1119
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:32,960
good going into this one. 
And then for Nader to just close

1120
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:37,160
as fast as he did my surprise 
with with just like with the 

1121
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:40,480
people who did who were in form 
in that final. 

1122
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:44,560
It's like Jake ends up being 
point O2 away from the gold 

1123
01:03:44,560 --> 01:03:46,240
medal. 
That's going to sting. 

1124
01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:48,520
But at the same time remarkable 
comeback. 

1125
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:50,360
I'm honestly just kind of 
curious. 

1126
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:56,160
Like Reynold Cheriot had just as
crazy of a close as Niels Laros 

1127
01:03:56,760 --> 01:04:02,040
in the 1500 meter final at the 
Diamond League that like 

1128
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:04,640
honestly like him ending up with
bronze. 

1129
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,320
If you look at any of the 
photos, I think of like the 

1130
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:13,240
podium dude is pissed like he 
he's probably the only one who 

1131
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:17,440
has very little of an excuse as 
to why he didn't win that race. 

1132
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,200
Everyone else, like it's either 
they weren't there, they were 

1133
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:23,640
they were hurt and and those are
the two big ones or they got 

1134
01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:25,280
bounced in the in the earlier 
rounds. 

1135
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:30,960
Raynold chariot in form and in 
the race and ends up with a 

1136
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:32,680
bronze medal. 
I think he's probably the one 

1137
01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,480
where it's like if you graded 
everybody he's giving he's he's 

1138
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,920
got a medal, but he is probably 
leaving these championships with

1139
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:42,360
the C grade for for how that 
race played out. 

1140
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,440
Yeah, I mean he I think, but 
we've seen that he's kind of 

1141
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:49,360
struggled to get himself in the 
right positions like in in 

1142
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:51,920
various Diamond League races as 
well throughout the season. 

1143
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,840
And and, you know, he's young 
and, and he's learning. 

1144
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:58,240
So, you know, I think we, we 
called him out as a threat when 

1145
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,200
he first emerged a couple of 
years ago. 

1146
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,400
And, and he's kind of, you know,
he's got to the stage now where 

1147
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:05,840
he's got a bronze medal. 
And, and I mean, he could be 

1148
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:09,240
someone who who comes to to, to 
dominate in years to come. 

1149
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,920
But obviously you've got a fan 
or coach as well. 

1150
01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:15,560
I think who, who possibly is an 
even even bigger Wilder talent. 

1151
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,520
So I, yeah, there's, there's, 
there's so many people in the 

1152
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:23,080
men's 1500 and, and it's just 
crazy that, you know, the fact 

1153
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,520
is that I, I think the other 
step was that there were, I 

1154
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:31,000
don't know, 14 or 2020 people or
something who'd broken 3:30 this

1155
01:05:31,000 --> 01:05:32,440
year. 
And only six of them were in the

1156
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:34,520
final. 
And there were six people who 

1157
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:37,960
hadn't broken 330 who ended up 
in that 15 final, which which is

1158
01:05:37,960 --> 01:05:43,000
kind of which is kind of wild to
kind of think right, that yeah, 

1159
01:05:43,040 --> 01:05:46,360
there, but. 
And the big question now is just

1160
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:49,720
sort of like, if you're Isaac 
Nader, you got it. 

1161
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:52,600
Like there's no one, there's no 
one who has more pressure on him

1162
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,840
going into next year than him 
because he's got to back this up

1163
01:05:57,280 --> 01:05:59,560
with some bangers. 
Unfortunately for him is that 

1164
01:05:59,560 --> 01:06:04,400
his opportunities to do so in 
2026 are going to be at European

1165
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:09,240
stages where you're going to be 
up against the likes of, like 

1166
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:15,400
you said, Jacob Laros. 
And so worst case scenario for 

1167
01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,920
this guy is he goes to something
like the World Ultimate 

1168
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:19,680
Championships and finishes dead 
last. 

1169
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,160
It's a real possibility. 
And like, he's the world 

1170
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,160
champion right now. 
It's just sort of like that's 

1171
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:29,480
what happens when it's a 334 
race and you have an 

1172
01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:32,440
unpredictable winner. 
So he's got a lot of pressure on

1173
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:33,760
how he's going to back this 
thing up. 

1174
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,360
You know, you can't take the 
gold medal away from him. 

1175
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:42,920
He won on the day, but a lot of 
eyes will be on him and he's 

1176
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:46,320
going to yes, I'm sure he also 
is going to live with the big 

1177
01:06:46,320 --> 01:06:49,080
like, everyone's looking at me 
as like the the guy who just 

1178
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,880
cleaned up when, you know, all 
the other people left or weren't

1179
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:57,480
in the room. 
And I thought Cole was very 

1180
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,760
respectful in my interview with 
him where I asked him just sort 

1181
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,040
of like, it's it's the big what 
if question. 

1182
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,040
But like, what did you think of 
the 1500 final? 

1183
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:06,880
And he was like, you know, I'm 
not going to be one of those 

1184
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:10,240
guys that says like, I would 
have won that race when I wasn't

1185
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,600
even in it and that stuff. 
So he's avoiding just sort of 

1186
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:18,920
like the next man comments or 
like blaming it on XYZ thing. 

1187
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,000
He's kind of, you know, come to 
terms that he wasn't in that 

1188
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:24,040
race and that race is what it 
was. 

1189
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:28,160
But yeah, you can't help but 
think that that race is so 

1190
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:32,960
different with Cole in it, or 
the race that it was would have 

1191
01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:35,440
been Cole's right up Cole's 
alley to win. 

1192
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:40,360
Or for a Jakob. 
Jakob would have made the race 

1193
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,360
totally different. 
Same thing with a Habs or a 

1194
01:07:43,360 --> 01:07:45,440
Fanwell coach. 
Like this race would have gone 

1195
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,400
so differently had other people 
been in it. 

1196
01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:50,760
But then it now we just got to 
live with the fact that they 

1197
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:52,800
weren't in it and the results 
are what they are. 

1198
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:54,560
Yeah. 
Absolutely. 

1199
01:07:56,320 --> 01:08:00,440
And yeah, well, I really hope we
get, I think there's a better 

1200
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,400
chance we get a top match up in 
in the World Ultimate 

1201
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:05,760
Championships just because it's 
based off the world rankings. 

1202
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:09,320
But obviously you've then got to
have the likes of Josh Kerr is 

1203
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:12,880
not going to have a very good 
world ranking coming in next 

1204
01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:13,960
year. 
So he's going to have to run 

1205
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,479
some fast diamond leagues to 
actually make it into the World 

1206
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:17,800
Ultimate Championships, for 
example. 

1207
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:21,120
So I'm not sure we'll get, I 
don't know if we'll be able to 

1208
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,560
get everybody we want want to 
see, but hopefully we'll we'll 

1209
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:26,880
get a large chunk of them. 
I guess there's a couple. 

1210
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:31,880
Do you have any other what ifs? 
My other one was what if Rye 

1211
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:35,279
Benjamin hadn't gone out the 
night before the 4 by 4 relay? 

1212
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:37,399
That was going to be the next 
one I brought up. 

1213
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:41,319
But then at the same time, it's 
just sort of like, you know, 

1214
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:45,000
because there are some people 
who are up in arms about this 

1215
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:49,319
whole thing about like, like, 
when did he find out? 

1216
01:08:49,319 --> 01:08:52,200
And like, how could he have been
out and all this stuff? 

1217
01:08:52,200 --> 01:08:56,520
And it's like, I don't know, 
even if the dude went out and 

1218
01:08:56,520 --> 01:09:01,240
had a couple drinks, the race 
wasn't until like 1020 the next 

1219
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,880
day hangover worn, you know, 
would have worn off by then. 

1220
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:08,880
I don't know. 
I like, I just think like I, I, 

1221
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:12,240
I think of more of like what if 
we would have moved into lane 2A

1222
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:13,920
little bit. 
We're running through a, a, a 

1223
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:19,319
literal lake in lane one. 
There are tiny things that would

1224
01:09:19,319 --> 01:09:22,120
have made the difference between
gold and and and silver there 

1225
01:09:22,120 --> 01:09:26,240
for for the United States, but I
don't necessarily think that 

1226
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:30,880
Rye's rye going out for some 
drinks the night after he wins 

1227
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:35,040
gold in the in the. 
In the interview afterwards or 

1228
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:38,200
like he, he spoke to us like 
after the interview finished and

1229
01:09:38,359 --> 01:09:42,240
he was so annoyed because he, 
he, he kind of, I think he knew 

1230
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,800
he could have done better had he
been fully, fully arrested. 

1231
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:49,040
Like he was, he, he was, he did 
start slowing down in the last 

1232
01:09:49,040 --> 01:09:51,760
30 years of that race. 
And I think that is the thing 

1233
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:53,600
that he, I think. 
It could have been the the 

1234
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,600
literal ocean that he was 
swimming through. 

1235
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:02,880
There's that slow MO video that 
that we tweeted and you could 

1236
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,640
see that the difference between 
lane one and lane 2. 

1237
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:11,080
And like, you know, also partly 
like This Is Us looking for, you

1238
01:10:11,080 --> 01:10:13,840
know, excuses for the Americans 
to to win gold. 

1239
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,840
But I also just think Botswana 
was better with Kevin and shippy

1240
01:10:16,840 --> 01:10:21,080
on the anchor. 
He's the he you, he's the. 

1241
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:22,800
He's the world champion. 
He's the world. 

1242
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:27,320
Champion and you gave him 
someone to chase like I think 

1243
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:32,120
that in many cases that world 
champion's going to win out no 

1244
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:35,160
matter like how talented like 
our our our team is at that 

1245
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:39,480
point. 
So I'm I'm less on crucifying 

1246
01:10:39,480 --> 01:10:46,480
Rye Benjamin over maybe a a tiny
hangover for this thing. 

1247
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,280
So no, I mean I don't. 
I don't think it was necessarily

1248
01:10:49,280 --> 01:10:51,600
his fault. 
I think there was obviously like

1249
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,960
communication around the cup 
because obviously there was all 

1250
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:58,880
the confusion around the DQ and 
the, you know, and, and maybe 

1251
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,640
Rye thought because obviously 
there were so many good guys in 

1252
01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:04,840
the in the open for that he 
wouldn't be needed for the relay

1253
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:06,000
as well. 
Maybe I don't, I don't know, 

1254
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:10,160
maybe he hadn't been told that. 
So that that obviously sounds 

1255
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:13,040
like a few things going on 
there, but but who knows. 

1256
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,840
I guess another I like doing 
what ifs. 

1257
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,400
What if she carry? 
Richardson would have approached

1258
01:11:22,400 --> 01:11:24,120
her season a little bit 
differently. 

1259
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,800
Like she probably could have 
been a bigger force in this one.

1260
01:11:29,480 --> 01:11:33,320
Like in the end, what in the 
foreign, in the 100m final, what

1261
01:11:33,320 --> 01:11:37,200
did she carry place? 
She was 6. 

1262
01:11:37,360 --> 01:11:38,920
No, she was fifth. 
Fifth was. 

1263
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:45,560
She yeah. 5th, yeah. 
I mean, part of me it's kind of 

1264
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:53,320
bananas that like, Shakiri and 
Shelly Ann were so close in in 

1265
01:11:53,320 --> 01:11:59,080
the 100m final. 
One is literally at the tail end

1266
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:02,600
of her career and the other is 
the reigning world champion who 

1267
01:12:02,600 --> 01:12:05,640
maybe was injured a little bit 
in at the beginning of the 

1268
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:08,760
season. 
I just don't necessarily know if

1269
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:15,200
Shakiri, you know, approached 
the season as well as she could 

1270
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:16,440
have. 
Like literally her training 

1271
01:12:16,440 --> 01:12:20,520
partner who went from April all 
the way through September was 

1272
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:24,120
flawless. 
And so if you're the more 

1273
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:26,800
talented of the two, like where 
did you fall off? 

1274
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,760
I think that's a big what if 
that has to be revisited if 

1275
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:32,840
you're her and just like 
thinking of like, all right, how

1276
01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:37,800
am I going to approach 2026 or 
come back even better in 2027? 

1277
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:44,880
So that's something that I'm I'm
wondering, what if Carson 

1278
01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:47,200
Warholm didn't get hurt in the 
blocks, right? 

1279
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:49,760
Does that change that? 
Probably that could have changed

1280
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,040
the outcome of the men's 400 
hurdles. 

1281
01:12:53,720 --> 01:12:54,320
Yeah. 
I mean. 

1282
01:12:54,480 --> 01:12:58,080
I mean, to be fair, like his 
idiotic attempt to get his 

1283
01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:02,600
favoured lane 7 in the semi 
finals by running weirdly slow 

1284
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:07,840
was backfired massively because 
he then ended up in whatever it 

1285
01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:11,280
was, lane 3 or lane 4. 
So it was not a not a great 

1286
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,280
place for him to be. 
And and maybe that didn't help 

1287
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:17,360
him as well because he was just,
it was a bit, you know, tighter 

1288
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:19,840
than he's, he likes to run. 
And it was even worse. 

1289
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:26,200
What if you didn't let the 10K 
go so slow? 

1290
01:13:27,520 --> 01:13:30,880
Right, like. 
Yeah, maybe doesn't win. 

1291
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:36,480
No, I, I mean, I don't know, 
Jimmy, like the 10K. 

1292
01:13:36,480 --> 01:13:40,680
Is it really, it really was 
interesting for me like the 

1293
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:44,600
men's distance races in general,
obviously, but they're like, 

1294
01:13:45,400 --> 01:13:49,120
there's just we're at this stage
now where there's just so much 

1295
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:54,200
parity in terms of the fast 
times that people can run that 

1296
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:59,040
everyone knows that if they try 
and lead it out, they're going 

1297
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:02,680
to get overtaken, right. 
And obviously Nico Young and 

1298
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:06,560
Grant Fisher actually did work 
together in the 5K, but then 

1299
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:10,200
Grant just ran out of steam. 
So I, you know, he, he, he kind 

1300
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,200
of admitted afterwards in the 
interview that, you know, he 

1301
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:13,440
just didn't have it after a 
while. 

1302
01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:15,720
He wanted to, they wanted to 
keep it quicker for longer. 

1303
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,960
But obviously that 4th K then 
where Jacob came to the front 

1304
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:23,200
because because those guys had 
slowed down, you know, they, 

1305
01:14:23,320 --> 01:14:25,080
they, he sort of ran out of 
steam a little bit. 

1306
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,200
So he would have liked to make 
it quicker. 

1307
01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:31,200
And I, and I think the problem 
is that whatever you do, if 

1308
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:34,840
you're make it, if you're the 1 
making it fast, you're probably 

1309
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:37,880
just going to lose that slight 
thing in your legs for the last,

1310
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:42,520
for the last lap. 
And everyone's so close. 

1311
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:44,960
You just can't, you can't afford
to do it. 

1312
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,920
And, and it's a bit of a shame 
that we won't get races. 

1313
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:53,280
I like to think back to to Rio 
2016 and Alma Zayana and what 

1314
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:57,960
she did in the 10K there where 
she ran 2930 solo from the front

1315
01:14:57,960 --> 01:14:59,560
world record. 
We're never going to see a race 

1316
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,600
like that ever again because 
it's just not possible anymore 

1317
01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:05,960
on that, on that sort of world 
stage because everyone has 

1318
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,240
levelled up so much. 
There isn't such a, a gulf. 

1319
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:13,440
You know, you can't be confident
that you can drop everybody in 

1320
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:14,920
in the field. 
There's always going to be a 

1321
01:15:14,920 --> 01:15:16,440
whole bunch of people that can 
go with you. 

1322
01:15:16,840 --> 01:15:21,600
And I think that's particularly 
true in in the men's, the men's 

1323
01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:24,320
races these days. 
Thinking. 

1324
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:25,560
Yeah, I don't know what the 
answer is. 

1325
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,480
I don't know what the answer is,
right, Because are we just gonna

1326
01:15:28,480 --> 01:15:30,920
end up with really terrible 
men's distance races forever? 

1327
01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:34,520
More like, I don't know, because
no one obviously wants to take 

1328
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:36,960
the risk anymore. 
And so everyone just jobs 

1329
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,400
terrible men's 10 KS. 
Because. 

1330
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:43,360
They take the 5K, they tried, 
they tried something, but now no

1331
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:46,160
one's going to try it again. 
I, I, I would suspect that you 

1332
01:15:46,160 --> 01:15:50,200
get to like, I, I don't see why 
like, because the 15 obviously 

1333
01:15:50,200 --> 01:15:55,720
again went the same way as well,
You know, I, I, I was kind of, 

1334
01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:00,240
yeah. 
The city. 

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But that's a sport. 
Like there are so many other 

1349
01:16:48,360 --> 01:16:50,600
opportunities all throughout the
year to go out there and try and

1350
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,440
run fast and chase the lights 
and, and follow a rabbit. 

1351
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:56,120
These are just about winning. 
And so you get to the 

1352
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,040
championship stage and you're in
the 5K. 

1353
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:02,640
And everyone in that race 
believed that they had the best 

1354
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:05,320
final 400. 
And Cole Hawker was the only one

1355
01:17:05,320 --> 01:17:09,360
who was like, no, actually I do.
And then they approached the 10K

1356
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:14,000
the same exact way. 
So like we haven't uttered the 

1357
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,840
name or I guess you you said 
what if Beatrice Chibet was in 

1358
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:19,800
the 1500, right, or something 
like that, like that. 

1359
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:23,280
Would that could have been like 
a big what if or what if good 

1360
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:25,240
off the guy was in the women's 
1500. 

1361
01:17:25,640 --> 01:17:29,360
I think that, yeah, we haven't 
even said talked much about 

1362
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:31,800
Beatrice Chibet and she walked 
away with two gold medals in 

1363
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:34,040
this thing. 
That's because like, I think all

1364
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:38,280
things considered, she had the 
lowest effort, I think put into 

1365
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:41,440
these championships. 
Both of those races were just, 

1366
01:17:41,720 --> 01:17:43,920
you know, on a silver platter to
her strengths. 

1367
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:49,200
And she just needed to close the
final 200 meters as hard as she 

1368
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:51,520
can. 
And yes, I mean, she's the 

1369
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:56,040
they're crazy fast, but she 
didn't really have to do all 

1370
01:17:56,040 --> 01:18:01,120
that much between if if you're 
kind of assigning an MVP to 

1371
01:18:01,120 --> 01:18:04,840
these World Championships. 
On the women's side, you can 

1372
01:18:05,160 --> 01:18:10,240
tout Melissa Jefferson Wooden 
for the hundred 200 double 

1373
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:14,760
historic first American woman to
do it, second woman ever to to 

1374
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:18,680
do it at the World Championships
and she threw down some amazing 

1375
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:23,880
times to back it up. 
Then you put Sidney McLaughlin, 

1376
01:18:23,880 --> 01:18:26,920
Liveroni in contention for that 
because she also comes away with

1377
01:18:26,920 --> 01:18:30,600
two gold medals in the 400 with 
the historic championship record

1378
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:35,200
all time performance and then 
anchoring USA to gold. 

1379
01:18:35,680 --> 01:18:38,400
Great. 
Then you have Beatrice Chibet, 

1380
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:42,080
yes, because she has, you know, 
2 gold medals as well, but she 

1381
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:45,000
gets knocked down a couple 
points because she really didn't

1382
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:46,720
have to try as hard as those 
other two. 

1383
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:51,160
I think to to win Kenya ends up 
with an all time, you know, 

1384
01:18:51,160 --> 01:18:53,360
global championship sweeping all
of the distance races. 

1385
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:56,920
But when you look at just sort 
of the races that Beatrice ended

1386
01:18:56,920 --> 01:19:00,480
up having to run, you know, 
nothing all that spectacular 

1387
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:04,600
well executed with the final 
200, final 400, But but you 

1388
01:19:04,600 --> 01:19:07,640
really have to stress as much as
the others. 

1389
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:10,080
And so it's like that's where 
sort of like I'm torn. 

1390
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:11,840
Is it? 
It's a little bit of a toss up 

1391
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:15,160
to me who's the MVP of this one?
I is it Melissa? 

1392
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:18,920
Is it Sydney? 
And then Melissa also did get a 

1393
01:19:18,920 --> 01:19:24,480
gold in the in the 4 by 1. 
So I think I, I think on the 

1394
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:28,600
final show of the World 
Championships, Eileen Sydney. 

1395
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:34,600
But now part of me, I don't 
know, we might have to share 

1396
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:37,720
this MVP award. 
It's so tough. 

1397
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:41,400
I mean, it is I, I think team, 
team Kenya obviously on the 

1398
01:19:41,400 --> 01:19:46,000
women's side did an amazing job 
in but you, you. 

1399
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,600
Agree with me, right? 
Like Beechers barely had to 

1400
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:50,080
break a sweat on these two, 
Yeah. 

1401
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:53,000
No, yeah, she, she didn't. 
I mean, it was, it was expected 

1402
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:55,920
that she would win both those 
gold medals And, and she did. 

1403
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:58,480
And, and again, that's the 
problem, right? 

1404
01:19:58,480 --> 01:20:01,640
She's got the fastest clothes 
and she can run the quickest 

1405
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,160
time. 
So she's got both. 

1406
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:08,840
And I think that just meant 
that, that I just don't think 

1407
01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:10,520
there's anyone there was any way
to beat her. 

1408
01:20:10,520 --> 01:20:14,320
And I mean, I, I wonder the what
the only thing is, I wonder, did

1409
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:16,320
Faith Kapiagon go a bit too 
early in the 5K? 

1410
01:20:16,440 --> 01:20:20,400
Like she obviously went first. 
And I'm not sure why she did 

1411
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:25,240
that, because surely as the 
1500m runner, she. 

1412
01:20:26,160 --> 01:20:30,400
Maybe thinks she maybe should 
have a better chance at closing 

1413
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,880
really quickly over the last 
100, but to be honest, maybe 

1414
01:20:33,880 --> 01:20:36,200
that isn't Faith K Piego. 
Maybe it is Beatrice Chabetz. 

1415
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,760
Just seeing the two hundreds 
we've seen a drop this season, 

1416
01:20:39,320 --> 01:20:42,240
maybe that still is better the. 
Better athlete in that one right

1417
01:20:42,240 --> 01:20:42,880
now. 
Yeah. 

1418
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,200
It's fine, yeah. 
Yeah. 

1419
01:20:46,720 --> 01:20:50,720
All right, So those are MVPS on 
the women's side. 

1420
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:52,560
Did you, unless there was 
someone else you would pick do 

1421
01:20:52,560 --> 01:20:55,560
do you have a preference between
Melissa or Sydney? 

1422
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:02,320
I mean, I, I, I think MVP 
overall for the meet, I think 

1423
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:05,240
has to be Melissa just because 
of everything she did through 

1424
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:10,440
the whole meet, like 3-3 gold 
medals, you know, delivering in 

1425
01:21:10,440 --> 01:21:14,040
the 100 and the two hundreds. 
I think, you know, she was, she 

1426
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,800
was the favorite. 
And admittedly, I think 

1427
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:20,520
obviously with Julian's slight 
injury, she just didn't have as 

1428
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:24,560
much competition as we would 
have liked to to have seen. 

1429
01:21:24,920 --> 01:21:28,680
That's true. 
Have whilst maybe Sydney in a 

1430
01:21:28,680 --> 01:21:32,600
sense like, and and I think 
maybe that actually maybe leans 

1431
01:21:32,600 --> 01:21:35,080
me again towards Sydney because 
actually Melissa didn't have 

1432
01:21:35,080 --> 01:21:36,840
much competition. 
Beatrice didn't have much 

1433
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:42,000
competition, while Sydney did 
have competition, except in the 

1434
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:45,240
four by four, she didn't. 
But in the 400, in doing what 

1435
01:21:45,240 --> 01:21:48,720
she did, what is, you know, what
we essentially regard as a world

1436
01:21:48,720 --> 01:21:52,960
record time doing it in the way 
that she did, you know, with 

1437
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:57,960
what Paulino did and and NASA, 
you know, just behind her is 

1438
01:21:58,040 --> 01:22:02,320
absolutely bananas. 
So I, I, I, I as much as kind 

1439
01:22:02,320 --> 01:22:06,280
of, yeah, I, I think you kind of
in that sense, you might have to

1440
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:10,600
give it to Sydney just because 
of just the magnitude of that 

1441
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:13,840
performance. 
All right then, on the men's 

1442
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:21,120
side, MVP. 
MVP on the men's side, I mean. 

1443
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:24,640
Yeah, who you got Kevin and 
Shippy like? 

1444
01:22:24,640 --> 01:22:26,320
Kevin actually. 
Oh, yes, absolutely. 

1445
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:27,080
Yeah. 
I. 

1446
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:32,960
I think like, yeah, national 
record world lead in that 400 

1447
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:35,120
final. 
It was wide open. 

1448
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:38,080
He took advantage of it. 
It wasn't like he wasn't racing 

1449
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:41,120
nobodies dream. 
Richards ends up with APB of 

1450
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:46,320
4372 in second place so he had 
to take it. 

1451
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:52,520
So and then on on top of that 
the the 4 by 4 where he clutched

1452
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,440
up and had one of the biggest 
performances of the entire 

1453
01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:58,520
championship. 
So I think I go Kevin and 

1454
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:01,840
Chippy. 
Yeah, no, that makes sense. 

1455
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:03,680
I mean, yeah, I don't. 
I don't think there's anyone you

1456
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:05,040
could say no, Lyles. 
No. 

1457
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:07,480
Lyles, the only other, like, 
double medalist, we've barely 

1458
01:23:07,480 --> 01:23:09,240
uttered his name up until this 
point. 

1459
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,120
I think that he had the 
championships that he expected. 

1460
01:23:14,440 --> 01:23:16,880
He actually had three medals, 
but he's I think the only guy 

1461
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:22,320
who has two individual ones, the
989 for bronze. 

1462
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:24,720
Best case scenario with him. 
And I think he was even just 

1463
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,560
sort of a realist being like 
this year is not my year to 

1464
01:23:27,560 --> 01:23:30,680
catch. 
You know, the Jamaicans is a 989

1465
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:33,160
season's best. 
So he's not even at where, you 

1466
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:37,040
know, 'cause Shane and oblique 
were back in in like June. 

1467
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:39,920
And then the 200 is really where
he shows out. 

1468
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:44,920
Yes, it was 1952, nowhere near 
his his best, but it kind of 

1469
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:47,360
gets him thinking just a little 
bit of like he can get back to 

1470
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:50,720
that that forum. 
I I would assume he's going to 

1471
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:55,120
go for the double for the world 
ultimate championships. 

1472
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:58,880
And part of me wants him to kind
of go all in on just the 200 

1473
01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:03,480
because that's the one that is 
most ripe for him to just kind 

1474
01:24:03,480 --> 01:24:07,680
of chip away and get closer to 
the world record. 

1475
01:24:08,720 --> 01:24:13,920
So All in all, Noel Lyles has a 
has a great World Championships,

1476
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,200
but I don't think it gives him 
the edge over Kevin the Chippy. 

1477
01:24:19,680 --> 01:24:22,000
Right. 
The next couple of last 

1478
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:23,840
categories, I think we're we're 
nearly there. 

1479
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:27,480
OK, who? 
Just by now, just a couple, just

1480
01:24:27,480 --> 01:24:29,760
maybe let's do two more, two 
more 2. 

1481
01:24:29,800 --> 01:24:31,320
More I've got, I've got one for 
you. 

1482
01:24:32,040 --> 01:24:37,040
OK, so this one is who was the 
most devastated to get a silver 

1483
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,120
medal. 
So then I'm assuming that the 

1484
01:24:40,120 --> 01:24:42,680
next one is who's the most 
elated to get a silver medal? 

1485
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:44,600
Well. 
I was, I was kind of going to do

1486
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:46,640
the two together. 
I had I had another one as a 

1487
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:49,200
kind of a all right. 
Save your other one. 

1488
01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:52,320
Most elated to get a silver 
medal? 

1489
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:53,960
No, no, no. 
Most disappointed. 

1490
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:55,480
You said first. 
Yeah. 

1491
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:03,440
Hmm. 
It's not Miklas Elekna because 

1492
01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:09,840
he's used to that by now. 
I'm gonna say, well, dork is 

1493
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,920
Ewoi. 
I think would be. 

1494
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:16,040
The happiest, probably to get a 
silver medal. 

1495
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:18,760
Yes, yes. 
Because I mean, it was an event 

1496
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:22,760
that she, I mean, I don't think 
many people had her really 

1497
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:26,960
making the final and she breaks 
out and ends up with a silver 

1498
01:25:26,960 --> 01:25:28,520
medal. 
I'm looking at some of these 

1499
01:25:28,520 --> 01:25:31,600
people and some of some of these
are very pissed off. 

1500
01:25:32,480 --> 01:25:33,800
Oh, OK. 
I keep. 

1501
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:37,920
I keep keep getting confused as 
to what your question was. 

1502
01:25:38,200 --> 01:25:40,480
Most disappointed to get a 
silver medal is Sufi and El 

1503
01:25:40,480 --> 01:25:42,920
Bakali. 
He was hitting his face and his 

1504
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:45,040
head immediately after that 
whole entire thing. 

1505
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:47,800
I'm also thinking like he gets a
safer. 

1506
01:25:49,480 --> 01:25:51,440
Yeah, that was my other one. 
Like she must. 

1507
01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:55,360
Be like sick to death of getting
out kicked to the last stretches

1508
01:25:55,360 --> 01:25:57,600
of a championship marathon. 
It's it's not just getting out 

1509
01:25:57,600 --> 01:26:00,240
kicked and ending up ending up 
with a silver medal. 

1510
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:06,080
It's especially with a 
marathoner she passed up on a 

1511
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:08,720
lucrative appearance fee at the 
Berlin Marathon. 

1512
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:11,440
And then we can take a look at 
see what the Berlin Marathon 

1513
01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:12,960
was, was won in on the women's 
side. 

1514
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,640
It wasn't anything all that 
crazy this time around. 

1515
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:20,760
Yes, it was it was hot, but she 
kind of needs she kind of needs 

1516
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:24,000
that she needs a win sometimes 
soon, even though she did just 

1517
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,520
win the the London Marathon. 
It's just sort of at these 

1518
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:31,400
championship stages hasn't been 
able to to get it quite right. 

1519
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:38,040
So yeah, I'm I'm but Elba Kali 
and Tigas Isafa probably most 

1520
01:26:38,160 --> 01:26:44,480
disappointed at silver. 
Yeah, and most happiest to get 

1521
01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:48,440
silver. 
Happiest to get silver. 

1522
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:53,000
I, I said Dorcas E White, Jake 
Whiteman, of course, like we did

1523
01:26:53,000 --> 01:26:56,880
the whole podcast interview with
him reflecting on that, that, 

1524
01:26:57,400 --> 01:27:00,640
you know, it's so close. 
So to come so close to a gold 

1525
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:04,840
medal probably stings. 
But all things considered, and 

1526
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:10,560
just like how he was able to 
come back from injury, coaching 

1527
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:14,840
change, all that stuff like this
one shines a little more, a 

1528
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:19,480
little extra than just silver. 
It was an extension of his 

1529
01:27:19,480 --> 01:27:22,520
career is kind of also how he 
put it as well. 

1530
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:31,160
Who else is really happy to get 
a silver Georgia Hunter Bell? 

1531
01:27:31,280 --> 01:27:34,840
It was like best case scenario 
because we all kind of drew up 

1532
01:27:34,840 --> 01:27:37,160
like, well, she wasn't going to 
beat Faith in the 15 and she 

1533
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:40,520
wasn't going to beat Keely. 
Turns out she beats Keely still,

1534
01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:43,760
still ends up with a Silver Lily
and Odira gets the win. 

1535
01:27:45,720 --> 01:27:48,400
So I think that she's pretty 
happy by that, especially 

1536
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:54,800
because she runs 154.9 for PB. 
Man, you got to wonder what the 

1537
01:27:54,800 --> 01:27:57,280
group dynamics are going to be 
like going into 2026. 

1538
01:27:58,000 --> 01:28:00,760
Well, it's interesting, like I, 
I'm not sure people, most people

1539
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:03,080
like fully, fully understand 
like George Antabell still lives

1540
01:28:03,080 --> 01:28:05,720
in London, right? 
And the training group is in 

1541
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:08,160
Manchester. 
So she actually does most of her

1542
01:28:08,160 --> 01:28:12,840
training by herself and, and she
goes up to Manchester for 

1543
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,600
workouts. 
It's like a two 2-3 hour train 

1544
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:19,040
ride to get up there. 
And then obviously they go on 

1545
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:21,400
training camps together and, and
all of that sort of thing. 

1546
01:28:21,400 --> 01:28:23,640
So, and they do seem like 
they're really good friends, 

1547
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:26,480
like they were at the karaoke 
together having a lot of fun 

1548
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:29,120
afterwards. 
And it didn't seem like there 

1549
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:33,680
was anything kind of like 
negative in the vibes there. 

1550
01:28:33,800 --> 01:28:37,520
Obviously, you know, yes, 
there's a chance of that, but I 

1551
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,640
think, but also it, it probably 
does help a little bit that 

1552
01:28:40,640 --> 01:28:42,920
they, they're also their 
workouts are quite separate. 

1553
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:46,240
So I think from what Trevor 
Painters and Jenny Meadows were 

1554
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:48,880
saying, I think it was Jenny was
saying it on the BBC actually 

1555
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:53,600
that, you know, because 
obviously Keely's a four 8 

1556
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:57,400
runner, George is an 815 runner.
So their their workouts don't 

1557
01:28:57,400 --> 01:29:03,280
necessarily meet that often just
because of the way the way they 

1558
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:05,640
they they both train is, is 
quite different. 

1559
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:10,400
OK, All right. 
I think those are my picks. 

1560
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,560
Do you want one category and 
then you you use your final 

1561
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:15,800
category? 
Yeah, sure. 

1562
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:20,920
What is the you know, I know, 
yes, this is a championship, but

1563
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:23,240
now it's got you thinking for 
2026. 

1564
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:27,040
The world record you think is 
most likely to fall going into 

1565
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,880
2026 based off of these 
championships. 

1566
01:29:30,800 --> 01:29:36,920
The world record women's 400 I 
think is obviously excluding the

1567
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:40,040
pole vault, excluding the men's 
pole vault, which we'll we'll, 

1568
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:42,760
we'll ignore because that's 
obviously going to fall again. 

1569
01:29:44,040 --> 01:29:50,360
The women's 400 I think is is 
the most obvious as assuming 

1570
01:29:50,360 --> 01:29:54,680
Sydney and Paulino carry on with
their antics. 

1571
01:29:55,040 --> 01:29:57,840
Do you think that's more likely 
than the still the men's 800? 

1572
01:29:59,560 --> 01:30:01,320
Yeah, I mean the men's England, 
they weren't close this year. 

1573
01:30:01,440 --> 01:30:05,760
And, and I think people were 
like last year, yes, they were 

1574
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:08,320
close. 
They were running 141 mid 

1575
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:13,400
regularly and and you know, 
getting down towards 141 low on 

1576
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:18,080
a couple of occasions. 
I, I think this year they just 

1577
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:21,880
weren't close. 
So I need to see a lot more back

1578
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:24,320
next year to kind of see if 
we're going to get back to that 

1579
01:30:24,320 --> 01:30:28,680
peak 800 kind of situation 
again, because otherwise I think

1580
01:30:28,680 --> 01:30:34,160
we might be settling at, you 
know, 142 low 141 high as kind 

1581
01:30:34,160 --> 01:30:37,760
of being being the the sort of 
the good races, which is why 

1582
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:39,240
it's still good. 
I think that gives us really 

1583
01:30:39,240 --> 01:30:42,400
good races and there's a lot of 
people in the mix for those, but

1584
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:45,240
I'm not sure that we were that 
close to to the world record 

1585
01:30:45,240 --> 01:30:48,480
this year from from what I saw 
all. 

1586
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:54,520
Right then I I'll throw a couple
more out there, women's 8 now 

1587
01:30:54,520 --> 01:30:58,400
that you throw Odira into the 
picture to maybe push Keely. 

1588
01:30:58,800 --> 01:31:02,120
Keely had been kind of thinking 
about it and it had been in 

1589
01:31:02,120 --> 01:31:05,120
discussion. 
So like after that banger of a 

1590
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:08,880
154, I think to open up the 
season, it got people wondering 

1591
01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:14,600
so I could see a crack at it. 
It is very difficult. 

1592
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:17,920
It's one of those questionable 
ones that is in the books. 

1593
01:31:19,880 --> 01:31:26,200
Give me a fully recovered, 
healthy Jakob and Cole and Josh 

1594
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:28,800
back in form. 
Throw yard in there as well. 

1595
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:33,200
Men's 15 back on the table in 
2026, I think I think. 

1596
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:36,640
Men's 5 is probably more likely 
if Jakob gets healthy because I 

1597
01:31:36,680 --> 01:31:38,320
think he will just run that by 
himself. 

1598
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:41,080
Doesn't need anyone else to to 
help him other than a pacemaker.

1599
01:31:42,080 --> 01:31:43,480
I think he was going to do that 
this year. 

1600
01:31:44,360 --> 01:31:45,680
He'd he obviously satisfied 
something. 

1601
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:49,160
Ozzy, was it? 
Celestia or somewhere yeah I 

1602
01:31:49,160 --> 01:31:54,600
don't know maybe Ozzy Oz maybe 
but yeah, there there was 

1603
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:57,640
definitely I think I think that 
one's probably easier. 

1604
01:31:57,640 --> 01:32:01,920
I think he he might need a bit 
more time to to get up to back 

1605
01:32:01,920 --> 01:32:05,440
to that 326 shape. 
I wonder, but it's. 

1606
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:09,520
Get back to the 717 shape of the
three K That's would be former 

1607
01:32:10,440 --> 01:32:13,240
your your your secret men's 400 
hurdles. 

1608
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:16,000
If Ryde doesn't hit that final 
hurdle, what would the time have

1609
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:17,840
been? 
That's a big I think. 

1610
01:32:17,840 --> 01:32:19,680
What if I think all things 
consider? 

1611
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:22,320
And Carlston run 46 too. 
Which exactly? 

1612
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:25,200
Yeah, A. 
Few weeks ago and yeah I mean 

1613
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,960
things go differently here then 
yeah I think and the. 

1614
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:33,120
Last one which I think like I'd 
love to get Anderson's thoughts 

1615
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:37,920
on and I know it's crazy because
958 is still always away but 

1616
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:44,000
men's 100 yeah so oblique ran 
977 but he's finally coming into

1617
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:49,840
his own I think and that that 
was APB cuz Shane who's run 975 

1618
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:56,120
right he's he's there as well 
They could be the guys to get 

1619
01:32:56,120 --> 01:33:01,080
close I I want to see a nine six
of course only I need to see 

1620
01:33:01,080 --> 01:33:06,000
that before I get excited for a 
95 but seeing. 

1621
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:09,080
Yeah, got me. 
Thinking a little bit more, 

1622
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:11,440
yeah. 
I mean, I still think that I, I 

1623
01:33:11,440 --> 01:33:14,680
still think it's, you know, 975 
is the fastest we've seen from 

1624
01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:17,480
these guys. 
I, I, I think that's still a 

1625
01:33:17,480 --> 01:33:20,040
very, very long way to go to, to
958. 

1626
01:33:20,760 --> 01:33:25,440
And yeah, I think, you know, if 
someone runs A969 and 968, then 

1627
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:31,560
maybe we start to think, but I 
think even the 200, I don't 

1628
01:33:31,560 --> 01:33:33,280
think so. 
I think Sharika can get back 

1629
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:39,200
like she's she's coming back to 
to her best and like I think if 

1630
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:41,600
she's. 
Getting to her best, yeah. 

1631
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:46,320
I, I still think the 200 I'm I, 
I think she's still 100 runner. 

1632
01:33:46,320 --> 01:33:51,000
So she can run very quick in 
200, but I'm not sure she's like

1633
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:53,640
a world record threat in the 
200. 

1634
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:54,920
I think she could win more 
global. 

1635
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:57,280
I think she can win more global 
titles in the 200. 

1636
01:33:57,520 --> 01:34:00,880
I'm not sure that I think she's 
more likely to get closer to the

1637
01:34:00,880 --> 01:34:04,760
world record in the 100 than she
is the 200 is my I might thought

1638
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:09,920
that gladly. 
Would love the women man 2168. 

1639
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:12,720
Like, what was it? 
Was it a headwind? 

1640
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:18,240
I think at that, at these 
championships, the world record 

1641
01:34:18,240 --> 01:34:21,880
is 2134, championship record 
2141. 

1642
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:27,640
I don't know. 
Come on. 

1643
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:29,040
I'm not. 
Give it a little. 

1644
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:33,320
I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm 
not I, I, I, as I say, I think 

1645
01:34:33,320 --> 01:34:38,760
she's, she's closer to the 
hundreds, but. 2168, that was 

1646
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:39,440
the time. 
OK. 

1647
01:34:40,320 --> 01:34:43,640
All right. 
Your final category, what is it?

1648
01:34:44,640 --> 01:34:50,080
Fan favorite medal What is What 
was your favorite medal winner 

1649
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:51,800
winning? 
You know, medal winning 

1650
01:34:51,800 --> 01:34:55,600
performance guys at least 2. 
This is just kind of like a 

1651
01:34:55,760 --> 01:34:58,480
what, what did we love? 
What or what you know, what's a 

1652
01:34:58,480 --> 01:35:00,560
bit of a fan favorite 
performance. 

1653
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:06,640
Yeah, I'd be remiss not to shout
out Julia Paternine in this one.

1654
01:35:06,640 --> 01:35:10,960
With the Uruguay bronze medal in
the women's marathon. 

1655
01:35:11,200 --> 01:35:16,640
I think a lot of people were 
enamoured by that story of her 

1656
01:35:17,040 --> 01:35:19,680
coming into the stadium not even
realizing where the finish line 

1657
01:35:19,720 --> 01:35:23,360
was and that the race was over 
and that she'd shocked herself 

1658
01:35:23,360 --> 01:35:26,000
to. 
We get that bronze medal. 

1659
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:29,320
We had her on the podcast, so 
you can catch our full interview

1660
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:34,040
with her on the feed with those 
fresh thoughts days after 

1661
01:35:34,440 --> 01:35:37,720
winning the medal. 
So there's that and then all. 

1662
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:41,240
Yeah. 
The George Beamish gold is 

1663
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:43,920
another one that the fans loved 
and is a feel good. 

1664
01:35:44,880 --> 01:35:48,600
I think Rye winning gold on the 
in the same stadium that broke 

1665
01:35:48,600 --> 01:35:51,200
his heart. 
And the you know, kind of the 

1666
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,280
the comedic side of it is, you 
know, the Dick measuring contest

1667
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:57,160
that comments that came after 
the semi final. 

1668
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:59,480
You could joke that he won in 
the end. 

1669
01:35:59,480 --> 01:36:03,560
And then people I think are 
super happy to see Jake Whiteman

1670
01:36:03,560 --> 01:36:07,400
back. 
So that silver medal was really 

1671
01:36:07,720 --> 01:36:13,520
a happy one. 
And then you said you said 

1672
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:15,720
Jimmy. 
Jimmy Gressier, I think in the 

1673
01:36:15,720 --> 01:36:19,320
10K was, was pretty like, you 
know, that was fun. 

1674
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:22,120
We love Jimmy. 
He's a bit of a character. 

1675
01:36:22,120 --> 01:36:25,160
And yeah, I, I kind of like that
one. 

1676
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:29,120
I think the Jamaicans in the 
four by one as well. 

1677
01:36:29,480 --> 01:36:32,680
Obviously with Shirley Fraser 
Price getting, getting a silver 

1678
01:36:32,680 --> 01:36:35,240
medal in a final race has to be 
kind of one of those. 

1679
01:36:35,480 --> 01:36:38,240
That was kind of nice. 
Point out. 

1680
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:41,840
Yeah. 
Was that, I guess you said medal

1681
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:45,560
performance. 
Yeah, that Jamaican women's 4 by

1682
01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:49,000
1 is is a good pick here because
I was just trying to think like,

1683
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:51,680
if it wasn't a medal, how do you
find a way to highlight Shelley?

1684
01:36:51,680 --> 01:36:56,600
Because her making the final and
finishing sixth was, you know, I

1685
01:36:56,600 --> 01:36:59,400
think the best case scenario, 
well, not the best case, best 

1686
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:02,120
case scenario would have been 
gold and then a medal. 

1687
01:37:02,560 --> 01:37:05,560
But regardless, making the 
final, not finishing last or 

1688
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:09,200
getting embarrassed like that 
was that was a great showing for

1689
01:37:09,200 --> 01:37:12,280
for Shelley. 
So yeah, isn't it poetic, right?

1690
01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:18,680
Like silver medal in Osaka and 
then silver medal again to close

1691
01:37:18,680 --> 01:37:21,160
it out in Tokyo. 
Absolutely. 

1692
01:37:21,280 --> 01:37:24,800
Yeah. 
It was a great way for that to 

1693
01:37:24,800 --> 01:37:28,600
cut that, you know, that that 
story to that chapter to come to

1694
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:29,920
an end anyway. 
The. 

1695
01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:33,120
Sport is a beautiful thing pre 
and we have like all those 

1696
01:37:33,120 --> 01:37:36,840
moments and they come to 
fruition at the championships. 

1697
01:37:36,840 --> 01:37:44,440
So I think we've done our part 
now to recap and share some of 

1698
01:37:44,440 --> 01:37:48,600
the highlights. 
Some of the we did give up some 

1699
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:51,200
low lights and and some 
disappointments in this one. 

1700
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,480
And yeah, it was a great World 
Championships. 

1701
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:59,920
I think like big picture, I 
talked about this in the middle 

1702
01:37:59,920 --> 01:38:03,440
of the championships, like how 
this one gets remembered is, 

1703
01:38:03,440 --> 01:38:09,480
yeah, they were probably some 
surprises, like at least like on

1704
01:38:09,480 --> 01:38:12,200
the distance side, especially on
the men's side. 

1705
01:38:13,960 --> 01:38:17,040
And how this gets remembered is 
probably like a turning point 

1706
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:22,000
for the World Championships. 
If this is the new norm, that 

1707
01:38:22,400 --> 01:38:25,560
World Championships will end the
season in September. 

1708
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:29,040
That'll be the case in 2027 with
Beijing. 

1709
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:35,120
In 2028, we have the Olympics. 
So it'll be weird again because 

1710
01:38:35,120 --> 01:38:39,640
we have the Olympics, I believe 
in July and then from there 

1711
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:43,520
there will be diamond leagues 
that take place in August and 

1712
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:47,960
then the ultimate championships 
I believe will be in September, 

1713
01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:53,960
I presume that year to kind of 
keep the the end of season 

1714
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:59,200
marker going by World Athletics.
So the athletes learned a lot as

1715
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:02,520
to how to go about structuring 
their season and when to peak. 

1716
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:07,200
And so that's I think maybe one 
thing that of how these 

1717
01:39:07,200 --> 01:39:08,600
championships will be 
remembered. 

1718
01:39:08,640 --> 01:39:14,080
I hope that, you know, we find 
more global championships or big

1719
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:18,480
events to do in Tokyo. 
I had a blast. 

1720
01:39:18,480 --> 01:39:22,600
It's my favorite city in the 
world, like favorite major city 

1721
01:39:22,840 --> 01:39:26,200
because anytime I say that I was
like, I really like Louvin. 

1722
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:30,160
Louvin's one of my favorite 
cities, but favorite city in the

1723
01:39:30,360 --> 01:39:33,400
in major city in the world. 
I think aside from New York City

1724
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:39,800
is Tokyo, so I need more reasons
to go back. 

1725
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:45,120
And yeah, if there's more meats 
that want to bring us out to 

1726
01:39:45,280 --> 01:39:48,800
Tokyo, I'm all yours. 
So yeah, it was good. 

1727
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:51,600
All right, off the track, what 
was your your, your favorite 

1728
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:53,560
highlight? 
What was one like cultural 

1729
01:39:53,680 --> 01:39:55,160
experience that you really 
loved? 

1730
01:39:56,720 --> 01:40:03,200
So in I went to before the world
champs I went to went to Kyoto 

1731
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:07,240
and Nara. 
And I went to Nara, Nara's a 

1732
01:40:07,240 --> 01:40:10,000
Deer Park and then you can feed 
the deer. 

1733
01:40:10,320 --> 01:40:13,840
And there's a glorious video 
which I, I shared on the city. 

1734
01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:18,680
It's my group chat of me feeding
these very cute looking deer. 

1735
01:40:18,800 --> 01:40:21,160
You, you buy these little 
crackers in the park, you start 

1736
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:25,280
feeding them. 
You start feeding them and then 

1737
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:29,080
this stag with, with these huge 
antlers comes up and, and starts

1738
01:40:29,080 --> 01:40:31,680
eating. 
But then the stag gets a little 

1739
01:40:31,680 --> 01:40:34,400
bit enthusiastic and pokes me 
with the antlers. 

1740
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:38,320
So I kind of get up and, and 
start kind of, you know, moving 

1741
01:40:38,320 --> 01:40:43,920
slowly away and then it charges 
me and absolutely Spears me. 

1742
01:40:43,920 --> 01:40:48,440
I've still had the scars from 
the and the bruises from, from 

1743
01:40:48,440 --> 01:40:53,200
from being heavily attacked by 
this deer and having to run away

1744
01:40:54,440 --> 01:40:57,160
from the deer. 
So, yeah, that was escalated 

1745
01:40:57,160 --> 01:41:01,200
quickly from this very cute 
little video to but that that 

1746
01:41:01,200 --> 01:41:03,960
was very memorable. 
And to be fair, Nara, amazing 

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temples, absolutely stunning as 
well. 

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And the Deer Park. 
And, and that was, that was my 

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sort of favorite memory of, of 
Japan. 

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01:41:11,560 --> 01:41:13,600
Nice. 
Yeah, hilarious video. 

1751
01:41:13,600 --> 01:41:16,080
And then I think I saw an 
Instagram story that Elise 

1752
01:41:16,080 --> 01:41:17,920
Cranny suffered a similar fate 
to you. 

1753
01:41:18,800 --> 01:41:21,720
And then she'd also visited one 
of these deer parks and got 

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01:41:21,720 --> 01:41:26,400
absolutely just rocked by or 
swarmed at least by a flock of 

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01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:29,360
them. 
So word to the wise, I guess 

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when, when you're visiting Nara 
or Japan. 

1757
01:41:34,120 --> 01:41:39,560
I'm trying to think for me, I 
guess, like, food was amazing. 

1758
01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:44,480
Did I do anything that was like 
cultural? 

1759
01:41:44,480 --> 01:41:47,440
I, I went to a robot Cafe. 
It was fun. 

1760
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:53,680
You get the gist of it. 
After like 5-5 minutes. 

1761
01:41:53,680 --> 01:41:55,800
You're like, all right now I, I 
got it. 

1762
01:41:56,680 --> 01:42:00,280
I should, I can go now. 
But you know, I went with an 

1763
01:42:00,280 --> 01:42:04,520
agent and we sat through, had 
coffee and chatted for a bit. 

1764
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:07,600
So that was, that was fun. 
What else did we do? 

1765
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:14,960
We went to a great restaurant 
called Wagyu Mafia, great Wagyu 

1766
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:16,480
burgers. 
I think Justin Britton, our 

1767
01:42:16,480 --> 01:42:20,600
photographer, went three times. 
He went first and then once I 

1768
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:23,760
got his recommendation, went 
there. 

1769
01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:28,920
It was delicious. 
Yeah, I guess like I couldn't 

1770
01:42:28,920 --> 01:42:31,560
run. 
So like I I didn't have like a 

1771
01:42:31,880 --> 01:42:37,560
chance to go out and explore 
Yogi Park or get out for any 

1772
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:44,280
miles. 
So yeah, that was gives me 

1773
01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:45,960
another excuse to return next 
time. 

1774
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:51,200
I've already done the Tokyo 
Marathon, so I won't go back for

1775
01:42:51,480 --> 01:42:54,880
for that. 
So I need to find another way to

1776
01:42:54,880 --> 01:43:00,680
get out to to to Japan. 
So yeah, All in all, excellent, 

1777
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:02,880
amazing time at the World 
Championships. 

1778
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:06,680
Thanks to ASICS for getting our 
whole team out there and 

1779
01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:09,840
allowing us to bring that 
coverage to everyone. 

1780
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:15,240
So we will be back next week on 
the pod. 

1781
01:43:16,640 --> 01:43:20,000
I guess we'll do a. 
Chicago Marathon. 

1782
01:43:20,000 --> 01:43:26,400
Preview Athos preview so yeah, 
we're we're we're still going 

1783
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:29,000
strong. 
So thanks everyone for 

1784
01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:32,400
listening. 
We'll catch you guys next week, 

1785
01:43:33,120 --> 01:43:34,640
Arigato goes. 
I must. 

1786
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:39,520
Thank you all for listening to 
this episode. 

1787
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:41,600
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1788
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:44,480
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1792
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:53,160
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