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If you want your review to be 31 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,400 read and you want to support the show, leave us a review on Apple 32 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:28,440 Podcast or a five star rating on Spotify today. 33 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:34,840 Please welcome back to the show, the one and only Nikki Hiltz and 34 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:38,640 what a year it has been. Just a season after finishing 35 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,120 7th at the Paris Olympics, Nikki stepped onto the line at the 36 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,840 World Championships in Tokyo and delivered the best outdoor 37 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:47,920 global finish of their career, fifth in the 1500. 38 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:53,440 They ran 357 point O 8, the top American in the final, and held 39 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:56,480 their own in a race where Faith Kapiagon, Dorkasi Woi and Jess 40 00:01:56,480 --> 00:02:01,400 Hall all ran sub 356 for medals. Yes, it's really easy to get 41 00:02:01,400 --> 00:02:03,400 caught up in the metal talk that we've pushed throughout the 42 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,440 championships. That's what we do as pundits to 43 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,160 talk about the sport. But for Nikki, it wasn't about 44 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,160 the outcome as much as the process. 45 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,840 Staying calm, engaged and believing in their plan. 46 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:17,400 Lap by lap, that mindset carried them to a performance that 47 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,560 showed just how close they are to the world's very best. 48 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,600 So today we talk about the lessons learned, the mantras 49 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,240 that kept them grounded, and what it means to chase metals 50 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:27,920 while staying true to the journey. 51 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,880 So without further ado, here is Nikki Hilts. 52 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,600 All right, And now we welcome back Nikki Hilts to the CDs Bank 53 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:48,360 Podcast. And this is fun because, you 54 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,840 know, we kind of get to pick things up from where we left off 55 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:55,880 after the US Championship recap episode. 56 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,600 And so I think at that point, there was still a couple weeks 57 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,240 left till the World Championships training had been 58 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,360 going super well. And so this one will be a fun 59 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,480 one where we'll talk kind of what life is like in Tokyo on 60 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,920 and off the track. And so in those weeks leading up 61 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:16,640 to worlds, I guess like how were the final touches on on training 62 00:03:16,640 --> 00:03:21,040 and then ultimately getting yourself, I guess excited to get 63 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,280 to a World Championships? Because I always feel like for 64 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:28,080 USAS, it's easy because it's so stressful all throughout the 65 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:29,240 season and you have to peak there. 66 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,920 And then it's like for worlds, like it's a thing that a lot of 67 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:36,520 people were working up towards. But I think in any conversation 68 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,960 you've had, you've kind of always had worlds and just like 69 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,040 this plan to get to the final all kind of mapped out. 70 00:03:42,040 --> 00:03:44,600 So like everything had been kind of going according to plan up 71 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,120 until that point. Yeah, yeah, No, I think the last 72 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,040 time we talked I was in Saint Moritz. 73 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:52,000 Yeah, just putting the finishing touches on everything. 74 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:56,040 And you know, there, there's obviously a moment after USA is 75 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,560 where you're like, you do have to acknowledge like, OK, I did 76 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,160 the big thing and that box, the big box was checked. 77 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:06,120 And now I can I can really focus on Tokyo in a way that like 78 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,880 maybe other countries don't have to stressed about. 79 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,680 So yeah, I mean, when I was training in same, I was like all 80 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,360 eyes were on worlds like and making that final and then 81 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:18,360 seeing if I could do something really special and not final. 82 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:21,480 So yeah, I mean, same. It was awesome. 83 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,040 It's very like Zen and like chill there. 84 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,280 I feel like that time of year, like there wasn't a ton of, you 85 00:04:28,280 --> 00:04:30,720 know, chaos or anything. And I think I just come from a 86 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:34,000 couple big loud stadiums of like Celestium Brussels. 87 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,840 So I was like, OK, this is nice to like just actually get back 88 00:04:36,840 --> 00:04:40,120 to the, to the training and workouts are going well. 89 00:04:40,120 --> 00:04:42,560 And the only thing though is it was freezing. 90 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,120 It was like extremely cold there, like, and I didn't pack. 91 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,880 I packed for like summer, you know, And luckily like Team USA 92 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,640 gives us like a big bag of, of, you know, Team USA gear. 93 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:56,280 And it was like randomly a lot of long sleeves and tights. 94 00:04:56,280 --> 00:04:58,120 So I had to like break that out sometimes. 95 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,200 So I was like, God, this is not maybe going to be great prep for 96 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,680 Tokyo where it's going to be like super hot and humid. 97 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,360 But it ended up being fine. Like I I got in the sauna a few 98 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,120 times and you know, you try to also the 1500, it's like it's 99 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:16,720 nothing like a marathon or 10K. But yeah, like I think I was 100 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,440 getting, even though I was in like a very chill, good training 101 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,840 situation. I was getting excited like every 102 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:24,520 single day. And you know, especially when 103 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:28,000 you're running well, like no little injuries are coming up, 104 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:29,560 right? You're like you did the big 105 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,720 thing of qualifying. So it's like everything was kind 106 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,200 of just like trending really well, like there was no hiccups 107 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,240 whatsoever. And that's, you know, to get to 108 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,720 that late in the season and, and just still feeling healthy and 109 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,520 excited, it like that's a big win on its own. 110 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:47,320 And so, yeah, I think the next thing was like, just like the 111 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:50,160 big travel to Tokyo, I was like, OK, got to get up for that 112 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:51,920 'cause that's like a grind. I mean, you did it. 113 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:55,360 It was like, yeah, it was no joke, that flight over. 114 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:57,760 Yeah. But I think I made really good 115 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,680 decisions of like, you know, deciding to pull out of the 116 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,000 Diamond League final was like hard because I'm someone that 117 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:07,280 really likes to race and I really wanted to be in it. 118 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:10,520 But it was just like, you know what, actually, I do want some 119 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:14,120 more like threshold workouts or, you know, sharpening workouts 120 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,040 like that. So I just kind of kept reminding 121 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,480 myself like, I'm I am making really good decisions. 122 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,600 And, you know, that was with me and my coach Julie, and, you 123 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,920 know, talking through. And yeah, so it was, it was kind 124 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,600 of easy to get excited because everything was was going so 125 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,760 well. Did Julie ever share sort of 126 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,600 like similar feelings about just sort of like revisiting? 127 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,440 I mean, it'd been a while, right, Since being at the World 128 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,720 Championship stage for, for her, I mean, getting to experience 129 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,640 all of this, you know, with you like just kind of what, what 130 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,640 kind of feelings does she share with you about just kind of 131 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,280 being back at this stage for as, from the coach side of things 132 00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:51,280 too, 'cause I feel like that's got to be a fun shared element 133 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:52,360 too. Yeah. 134 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,800 I mean, I, I don't know if we ever had a conversation about 135 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,080 that, but like, I think we're both excited. 136 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:02,040 Like I think, you know, she, Julie has a stepdaughter who's 137 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:05,600 awesome and she came over to Tokyo and I remember Julie 138 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,760 saying something like, you know, Caitlin's like maybe going to 139 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,560 come. Like, and like now she's 140 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:12,840 definitely going to come because I'm a big believer in like, you 141 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,280 know, once if you have a once in a lifetime opportunity, like you 142 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,240 take it and, you know, maybe we'll I'll never go to Tokyo 143 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:19,600 again. And like, you know, I want my 144 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:22,360 stepdaughter to see this. And so it's like, I feel like 145 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,400 that was a special conversation of like, yeah, this is like a 146 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,600 once a lifetime opportunity. Like I've never been to Asia 147 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,880 before and I've never competed in Tokyo. 148 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:31,200 You know, I didn't make that Olympic team. 149 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,840 And like, so I'm just acknowledging like this is a big 150 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,800 moment. And like, even though it's a 151 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,200 goal we've had all season, you know, acknowledging how special 152 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:40,320 this is. And so there's a little 153 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,560 conversations like that. But yeah, I think Julie is just 154 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,840 so like, business as usual. Like in a really good way. 155 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:51,560 I didn't feel like the the world champs felt like any other meet 156 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,200 this season. And I think that was a testament 157 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,640 to like Julie because she had been at every single meet with 158 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,120 me all year. And it was just like, oh, it's 159 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,000 just another race. And I have raced in a lot of 160 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,960 like really big and loud stadiums this year, like 161 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:09,440 Brussels or like even pre this year was really loud and like, I 162 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,760 don't know. So it felt very like normal in a 163 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:17,520 really healthy and good way. OK, so one element where maybe 164 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:21,360 it didn't feel like other meats is that the whole entire world 165 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,640 stayed in one hotel, I guess arriving in Tokyo. 166 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:29,080 And so now I guess like that I'm doing like these recaps with 167 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:30,520 people. I kind of want to gather as many 168 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,520 of not necessarily horror stories, but just like stories 169 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:39,600 from like what the hotel setup was like because everything from 170 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:45,160 elevators taking forever to go up and down the food in the 171 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,600 cafeteria. I mean, you went from Olympic 172 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,560 Village dining hall where everything in the world was like 173 00:08:51,560 --> 00:08:54,400 being made to make, you know, these athletes feel like they 174 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:58,960 were at home to like the best way someone described it was 175 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,040 just sort of it felt like a giant cruise ship. 176 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,800 And did you sort of have that same sort of this is also like, 177 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,520 I feel like I'm gonna hear from the crowd that really loves 178 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:10,960 cruises. I've I've never been on one And 179 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,920 so like, but I know that there's those kinds of people out there. 180 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:20,200 But did this I guess the hotel set up have mega cruise ship 181 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,280 vibes. Yeah, that's a great analogy. 182 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:26,880 Whoever said that was dead on. Yeah, it wasn't great. 183 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:31,440 The setup setup was not great. I, I, the elevators, like you 184 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,760 said, took forever. The food was, I would give it a 185 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,240 three out of 10. That's being generous. 186 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,000 Like the, you know, the buses were a nightmare. 187 00:09:41,000 --> 00:09:44,920 Like it was not a great setup. And like, do you mean I'm 188 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:46,600 actually joking about it? Like we were talking about 189 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,640 Cooper, you know, 'cause he was always I'm like, Cooper's going 190 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,880 to be like high school track was better than this. 191 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:56,840 Like, what the hell is going on? I'm like, but no, I think it was 192 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,320 like, I think it was just kind of religious school nightmares 193 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,160 sometimes. Like I remember the buses we 194 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,560 like, we were just, no, we were like, no, we're not doing that. 195 00:10:05,560 --> 00:10:08,920 We're just going to Uber because it was like the entire world, 196 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,480 this thing in one hotel. And so we have this big 197 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,120 discovery buses of like, OK, this bus is going to take you to 198 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,120 the practice track and they would only go every like on the 199 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,840 half hour, so like 3343530 whatever. 200 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:23,480 And so like USATF, one of us on like the bus that was like 5 201 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,560 hours before your event and you're like, no, like, but you 202 00:10:25,560 --> 00:10:27,920 know, and just like kind of ridiculous, like logistics like 203 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,760 that. I don't think it was like USATF 204 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,960 fault or anything, but we were like, we're going to Uber 205 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:33,040 because that's what's best for me. 206 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,560 And USATF is like, OK, totally. And on you, if you miss your 207 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:39,000 race, it's like, yeah, duh. Like like any other me, it's on 208 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:43,120 you if you miss your race. But I remember, so Athletics 209 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,720 Kenya, I was talking to Susan and Faith about it and they were 210 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,200 like, no, we had to get on the bus and you know, and then it 211 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:50,520 was like full. And then when it's full, it's 212 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:51,520 full. You have to wait for the next. 213 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,280 So I'm like, whatever. And the first day, it's like a 214 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:59,200 45 minute drive from the hotel to the practice track and 215 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,680 whoever the driver was of the bus drove to the stadium and 216 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:07,720 everybody on the bus is like no practice track, like yelling at 217 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,560 the bus driver. And apparently the bus driver 218 00:11:10,560 --> 00:11:16,000 starts crying because the entire bus is yelling at her. 219 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,600 And I was like, Oh no. And then and then she like 220 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,080 obviously turns it around, but it took them an basically took 221 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,680 them an hour and 15 minutes to get to the practice track. 222 00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:27,920 And it's just like, Oh my gosh, like, so just kind of logistical 223 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,200 nightmare stuff like that that I don't think would have 224 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,200 necessarily happened if not every single athlete was staying 225 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,320 in the same hotel. Yeah, I could see where, you 226 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,800 know, from a World Athletics and the local organizing committee 227 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,520 standpoint, like the idea, it was well-intentioned. 228 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,120 It was like we're just going to have everyone in one place. 229 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,200 And then just sort of the realistic, like just thoughts of 230 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:51,640 like, and just like it settled in very quick. 231 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,080 The harsh realities of like, this is not really all that 232 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,280 possible. You brought up Cooper really 233 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:57,960 quick. I did hear that, like he was 234 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,520 eating at Outback Steakhouse like most of the days that he 235 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,160 was there to kind of keep things familiar. 236 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,120 And then, you know, from that standpoint of things, you gave 237 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,760 the cafeteria food like a three out of 10. 238 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,680 So I mean, I, I go back to like the Usain Bolt famous story 239 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:18,040 about like 2008 at the Beijing Olympics where he only ate like 240 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:22,840 chicken Nuggets just to play it safe, like and, and be familiar 241 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,680 with like whatever. And, and, and that story 242 00:12:25,680 --> 00:12:29,320 obviously blew up. But I Japan very much known for 243 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:31,960 its food. Like, you go to any of the 244 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,360 convenience stores and they have just tons of things. 245 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:38,200 But prior to your race, like, do you also just sort of have to 246 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:41,280 keep things like as normal as possible and just resist the 247 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,720 temptation of like getting adventurous in such a culinary 248 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,920 country? I I mean, the thing with eating 249 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:52,680 is that our races are so late. So like you're the, the night 250 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:55,160 before you can really eat whatever you want because it's 251 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,320 going to be like, you're going to be fine if you come your 252 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,240 races at 9:00 PM the next day. So it's more just like in the 253 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,600 day, OK, your lung has to be a boring like Turkey sandwich or 254 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,160 you know, like, but I would like, I got amazing sushi, like 255 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,080 truly the night before the final like, and it was fine. 256 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:12,960 And I got, you know, like also that like, you know, they do 257 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:16,720 that really thinly sliced like steak, like that was so I heard 258 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,120 it's called, but it's like, yeah, no, the food is amazing. 259 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,040 And I, yeah, as soon as I saw the dining hall, I was like, I 260 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:23,320 don't think I'll be eating here a lot. 261 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:25,800 So yeah, I, I think it's just like depends. 262 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,360 You got to know your body and know like what works for you. 263 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,080 And, and I'm, I have a pretty like sturdy stomach. 264 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:34,840 So yeah, I was. I was fine. 265 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,080 Did you, I guess when you saw the schedule, it didn't hit me 266 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:42,720 until we were actually in Japan that I looked and saw what I was 267 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,400 like, Oh my gosh, like, wait, there's gonna be races going off 268 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,520 at 10:00 PM and like the final events, some nights were gonna 269 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,160 be at like 10:20. And I figured that so much of 270 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,920 that was like to try and accommodate the rest of the 271 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,080 world that's tuning into this, like probably maybe for some TV 272 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,560 windows or whatever it is. Just so it's not entirely like 273 00:14:00,560 --> 00:14:04,480 in the middle of day in Europe, which in some cases it was. 274 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,080 But from that standpoint, did you have to adjust anything to 275 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,920 just sort of like, I'm going to be racing pretty late? 276 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:13,880 And like, even from like the mental standpoint, I feel like 277 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,920 just the, the, the fact that you have to spend a whole day 278 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,880 thinking about the race that's coming up, is that also really 279 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,720 hard to deal with? I would say that's the hardest 280 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,920 part about a 10:00 PM race. Yeah, is the day. 281 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:30,520 I mean, when I first got there, I was pretty jet lagged and, and 282 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,560 like we were just talking of like before we start recording, 283 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,160 like by 8:00 PM you were like, I can't keep my eyes open. 284 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,840 So I kind of wasn't getting a little nervous of the first few 285 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,080 days I was in Tokyo of like, how am I supposed to race at 10:00 286 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,040 PM if I can't, if I'm going to bed at 8:30 every night? 287 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,680 But once round one started, I think round on for us was like 288 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,080 at 8:45, you're obviously like you drink coffee and you're 289 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:53,720 awake. And that actually really helped 290 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,760 me reset because then round one I stayed up really late because 291 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,120 I didn't get back and you know, after my cooldown and flush and 292 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,600 everything and get back to hotel like 11:00 PM. 293 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,840 So that kind of set me on a new schedule of like going to bed at 294 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,960 like midnight or one and then waking up later. 295 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,680 So I kind of, I don't know, I think it helped reset my like 296 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,560 circadian rhythm or whatever it's called like. 297 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,920 But yeah, like you said early, the hardest part about a 10:00 298 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:21,320 PM race is every single hour that goes by like the by like 299 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,920 1:00 PM, you're like, Oh my gosh, I just want to go. 300 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:28,640 It's the mental battle of trying to, you know, all the doubts are 301 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,560 coming in or whatever, and you have to just like calm yourself 302 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,040 down or distract yourself. Watch a show, watch a movie. 303 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,320 Yeah, that's I would say that the hardest part. 304 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:41,160 And then I mean, different from the Paris Olympics where you 305 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:44,760 guys were the last event, you know, this time around, you're 306 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:46,560 in the front half of the championships. 307 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:50,240 Then there was just sort of like the added element of like all 308 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,000 the buzz around the buses and how far the warm up track was 309 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,080 going to be. And like how that was going to 310 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:57,920 be like an added wrench into things. 311 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,760 Like. So when other athletes I think 312 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,600 got the chance to compete first, like this is then all of a 313 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:08,080 sudden just become like, all right, pass on the pro tips and 314 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,320 knowledge to the, you know, the your fellow Team USA teammates. 315 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,000 Because I think Sage had mentioned, you know, in her 316 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,520 episode that and you brought up, I think a a little bit of like 317 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,000 advice to her about how like, hey, like this is how the bus 318 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:22,840 setup works. Just a heads up. 319 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:25,600 And so, I mean, was that just sort of like, all right, let's 320 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,000 get as much Intel as possible early on? 321 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,880 Yeah, the the events that were the first day were definitely 322 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,680 the Guinea pigs and not and so, but we, I think Julie and I felt 323 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:36,560 strongly about yeah, sharing our. 324 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,120 OK, here's what we did. And it worked or it didn't work. 325 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,400 And oh, when you get under there, you can do straws, you 326 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,560 know, like, so we were, I was fine to, it's also round one. 327 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:48,720 I was like, I, I think, I think I can make it through. 328 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,040 Like I'm going to try this and hopefully this works. 329 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,120 But if it doesn't, I can address for the summer and the final. 330 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,600 And but yeah, I mean, I was warming up probably an hour and 331 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:01,200 45 before every single race. And it's like, that's so weird, 332 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,760 you know, and then getting on a bus, sitting on a bus for like 333 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:08,760 15 minutes after you've warmed up and then get to the stadium 334 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,560 and then try to jog and do strides. 335 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,160 And so, yeah, I think no, we were, I definitely tried to 336 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,720 share, hey, this is what it looks like to everyone that that 337 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,000 hadn't raced yet because like, yeah, why would I not share the 338 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:24,440 experience and, and help maybe like someone have a better warm 339 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,960 up. And yeah, but it was it was kind 340 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:28,840 of a mess. But you know, it was also, it's 341 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,080 one of those things like I think I saw Sydney say or something, 342 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:36,080 or it's like, you're not going to let that get in your way of 343 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:37,360 having a good or bad race, right? 344 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:40,480 You you worked all year and like, OK, it's a logistical 345 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:41,760 issue. And that's like what your coach 346 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,840 is for. You're like, you know, team 347 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,360 USATF, like they're we're going to help you get to the start 348 00:17:46,360 --> 00:17:49,000 line as like prepared as possible to do your thing. 349 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:53,400 And so, yeah, I think Julie actually got on the phone with a 350 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,680 lot of coaches, like, I think she called Coach Taylor and, you 351 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,520 know, Cooper's high school coach or, you know, just like, hey, 352 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,960 here's what to expect. And so, yeah, I think I would do 353 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,680 it 'cause I think other athletes and coaches would do it for me. 354 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,720 So yeah. And then just, I guess we'll, 355 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:10,920 we'll get into each one of the races shortly. 356 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:16,000 But on that bus, like does the vibe change like from round to 357 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:17,840 round? Like in terms of just like, all 358 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:21,200 right, as you're on the bus before the heat, it's like a 359 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,080 little bit more chill and like there's more people on the bus 360 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,960 And then second go around is like less people. 361 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:29,360 And then finally for the final I'm, I'm assuming it's just like 362 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:33,320 a dead quiet car. It's interesting because I think 363 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:36,240 it more depends on like the personalities of the people in 364 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:40,320 your heats, not necessarily how intense the rounds are, but like 365 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,960 the first bus, I remember sitting that near Sofia Sullivan 366 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,600 where he won together or round one together and she was like, 367 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:51,080 should we make like a TikTok? It was like good vibes were like 368 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,840 joking. And then I think the semi was 369 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,360 actually probably the most like, OK, nerve wracking 'cause I do 370 00:18:57,360 --> 00:18:58,880 think that's the most nerve wracking round. 371 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,480 And then in the final, I remember there was like, I think 372 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,040 there was like a be a big bug somewhere in the like a big 373 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,920 beetle or something. And Jess was like Jess and like 374 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,720 Gabriel Safford were like, there's like a beetle in here. 375 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,800 And I was like, Oh my God, it like went away quickly. 376 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:17,680 But I was like, that could have been like so chaotic. 377 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,880 But yeah, it was just like, it was interesting. 378 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,600 Like, yeah, I don't know. It was just like you're and the 379 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,400 buses were like very small. It was like almost like a party 380 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:29,520 bus. Like you could fit. 381 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,040 You could only fit about 15 people in there. 382 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,840 So it's you're just in a bus with everyone in your heat. 383 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,520 It's not like a big discovery bus like you're sitting next to 384 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,480 someone like it's crazy. Yeah, I guess like, that's the 385 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,360 other thing too, is like, as all of these different elements are 386 00:19:45,360 --> 00:19:48,800 being described, like fans and people have like different 387 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,800 images in their head, like, is it the yellow cheese bus? 388 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,360 Is it like a big, like, coach bus or anything like that? 389 00:19:54,360 --> 00:19:58,040 And it's like now, just like these tiny Japanese buses, Yeah. 390 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:03,680 This episode of the City of Smack podcast is brought to you 391 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,520 by the Wahoo Kicker Run. It's the treadmill that follows 392 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,240 you, not the other way around. The Kicker Run isn't just 393 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,920 another treadmill, it's a complete rethink of indoor 394 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,880 running with dynamic pacing. 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So similarly, like not all that 434 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,800 long ago, I think after this first round race, you said like 435 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:35,840 the goal for the first round was just have a good final, you 436 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:38,360 know, I guess like 180 run through the line. 437 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,880 And that's essentially like what happened. 438 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,080 Like there were a bunch of people in it and it was it was a 439 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,680 bit tight, but like not all that much. 440 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,680 What did you kind of take away from that first round? 441 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:51,320 I think I had a pretty deep heat. 442 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:55,200 There was just like a lot of people that had run sub four 443 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,280 like that season in my heat, which I'm like, OK, like this 444 00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,680 is, you know, this might be fast, this might be whatever 445 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,720 like, but I just I'm so confident in my kick. 446 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:06,880 And so like my goal for all the rounds is like, do as little 447 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,240 work as possible and then, you know, rely on your kick that 448 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:16,760 last 1518120, you know, So yeah, I think I think it kind of 449 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,960 turned a little bit faster than I thought. 450 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:23,400 I think I remember, I think probably with, yes, 700 to go, 451 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,800 was it Hailu took the lead and kind of strung it out. 452 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:29,400 And I was like, OK, like this is actually good because it's it's 453 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:31,360 getting trafficy. I don't want to fall to happen 454 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:34,480 or you know, so I remember, yeah, finishing being like, OK, 455 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,840 got the job done. And I think I also remember 456 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,760 wanting to watch the other races because you want to see how 457 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:42,000 everyone's looking and stuff like that. 458 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,480 And so I do think the one there was one big surprise, like Laura 459 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,400 Mirror not making it out. I think it was around one that. 460 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:53,640 And I think that was like a whoa, because I Laura's always 461 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:57,120 on my radar. You know, she's truly one of the 462 00:23:57,120 --> 00:24:00,320 best to ever race this event. And I thought she was looking 463 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,120 really good at Brussels. Yeah. 464 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:05,320 And so it was like, oh, whoa. Like a heavy hitter is out 465 00:24:06,120 --> 00:24:07,800 saying like that's crazy. It just kind of shows like 466 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:11,480 anything can happen. And so I think but yeah, I just 467 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,440 remember being like, OK, cool, all the Americans got through, 468 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:16,080 like all the other than more like all the people you expect 469 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,760 to get through, get through. And, you know, maybe some people 470 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,680 who you kind of counted out. I don't want to say I count 471 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,480 anyone out, but like you're like, oh, wow, that person looks 472 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,040 really good. Like I truly remember being 473 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,120 like, Dorcas looks good, you know, and especially after the 474 00:24:29,120 --> 00:24:31,840 semi, I thought that. So yeah, you do just kind of, I 475 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,200 mean, I'm someone that that watches all my competitors and, 476 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,640 and see how they're looking. I thought Sinclair looked 477 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,760 phenomenal around 1, like, you know, like, so you kind of just 478 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,240 take notes of how people are looking and, and yeah, so I 479 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:47,200 don't, I don't really remember anything crazy happening in that 480 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,880 one, though. You OK, So you you brought up, I 481 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,680 guess like someone from you brought up Laura Muir and how 482 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,280 like she was one of the heavy hitters that I guess was bounced 483 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,080 in the first round. But then I guess like I just 484 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,600 made me remember the fact that like even before the whole meet 485 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,160 started, like Deriba Welteji gets bounced before the whole 486 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,440 meet starts. And so that when that news comes 487 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,360 out, what's your initial sort of reaction? 488 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:13,920 Because I guess there was a little part of it. 489 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,280 It's like, I mean, from my standpoint, I was like wondering 490 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,960 like, what kind of shape is she showing up in? 491 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,720 Like she hadn't raced since the pre classic. 492 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:23,960 And so then when we learn all this, we just kind of realize, 493 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,120 oh, there was so much more that wasn't just sort of like 494 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:31,520 performance related taking place as to why she hadn't been on the 495 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,800 circuit for those like late season diamond leagues. 496 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,360 And so I feel like then it started to get a little bit 497 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:42,880 louder because one, like when Georgia Hunter Bell shifts to 498 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,400 the 800, it's like, OK, Nikki's odds increase. 499 00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:48,640 Then when what's Hedgy's out like? 500 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,160 It's like, OK, Nikki's odds increased again. 501 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:56,120 And that kind of comes as a consequence of like you being a 502 00:25:56,120 --> 00:25:59,240 much bigger star now. Like it, you know, brings more 503 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,080 attention and allows for the pundits like us to have like 504 00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:06,880 that real sport discussion of just like what the implications 505 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,880 of something like that are. But for you, how did you do your 506 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,400 best to try and tune some of that out? 507 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,960 Because I know one thing that you always stress is like, it's 508 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,960 not about, you know, the metals and that outcome, but instead 509 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,520 just sort of like running, you know, your own race and being in 510 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:29,360 control of what what you can do. But at the same time, like it 511 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,520 must have gotten to you at some point. 512 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,640 And also to think of like, well, this is good news for me. 513 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,320 No, it really, it's a good question 'cause it really did 514 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:41,040 change kind of within I think Georgia's decision. 515 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:45,440 And then will Tudgey's situation like all happened within 2 the 516 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:49,920 same two weeks, you know, or, and it was like it did like you 517 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,200 saying all of a sudden I was going into world champs is like, 518 00:26:54,360 --> 00:26:58,080 whoa, Nikki's could really meddle, you know, and I, I hated 519 00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,560 it. Like I hated that there was like 520 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,240 no noise about it or maybe the right people were saying it here 521 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,240 and there. Whatever turned into like it 522 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,080 just really turned up the dial of just like the noise of like 523 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:11,160 that's really possible now. And I think it was hard for me. 524 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,640 I I remember talking to Julie about it like, hey, like I kind 525 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,360 of wanted to go in here like, oh, Nikki, maybe top five and 526 00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:20,800 then like I could surprise something like now it's like, 527 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,400 whoa, I feel this like pressure I've never felt before. 528 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,000 And it's like, how do I deal with it? 529 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,520 Like I remember we spent our whole like pre race talk one 530 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,280 time, just like, Hey, how do I deal with this? 531 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:31,720 Because this is kind of like new for me. 532 00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,080 And and she was like, well, of course Chris Chavez is going to 533 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,320 be like Nikki can metal like you're an American. 534 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,240 You guys are friends. Like, you know, like she like, 535 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,000 you know, that's his job to literally be like, you know, 2 536 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,360 can do what? And she's like, and just try to, 537 00:27:47,360 --> 00:27:51,480 if you can reframe it as like, wow, like, yeah, I am someone 538 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,440 that people are looking out for. And she's like, because you make 539 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,800 really good decisions in championship racing and you've 540 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,400 shown over and over again, you show up like when it counts and 541 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,720 you like you're a what, 10 time US champ at this point. 542 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,960 You know, like she's like trying to be like you. 543 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:08,160 You do deserve that hike. And, and it's not a bad thing. 544 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,800 And so it was like, OK, like reframe it like that. 545 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,480 And, you know, something my mom's always said to me is like 546 00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:15,920 pressure. Like you could view it as like, 547 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,360 you know, this, that and the other. 548 00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:20,440 But like, reframe it as like, Oh my God, look at all these people 549 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,600 that believe in me. Like all these people think I 550 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,040 can do it. Like, that's so cool. 551 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,360 And so I think I spent, you know, a few days being like, OK, 552 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:29,760 yeah, like this is cool. And this isn't, doesn't 553 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,360 necessarily mean like, oh, if you don't do it, you suck. 554 00:28:32,360 --> 00:28:36,200 It's just like a wow, this is an, this is a possibility. 555 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,520 And, and let's talk about it 'cause it's exciting. 556 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,120 So, yeah. But I do think it it created a 557 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,800 lot more noise and I kind of had to block you guys. 558 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,400 I'm sorry. No, no, in a way that just, I've 559 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,040 never like felt that before. Yeah, I know. 560 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,600 I it's sort of like one we're trying to manifest it to it's 561 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:59,360 it's belief in in you. Then three at the same time just 562 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,640 yeah, I mean, Julie nailed it. It is sort of like our job to 563 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,280 create that excitement among the fans. 564 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,440 The only downside is just sort of when we are just so close to 565 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:13,840 home, I, I just go back to like 2023 in Budapest. 566 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,800 Like Kyle and I were sitting down with Noel Isles and he's 567 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,720 like calling us out for things that we said, like on our shows, 568 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,760 like the day or two. And we're like, you are 569 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:26,080 listening to us like in the middle of the World 570 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,680 Championships, like you got to find something else. 571 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:32,000 It's like, but I guess that's that's track. 572 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,000 I mean, it's just it's so small and so it it like it can get 573 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,440 pretty close. But I mean, I think you you did 574 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,880 a good job of just kind of reframing that mentally. 575 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:45,240 And so then going into like the semi finals, similar to AUS as 576 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,160 constantly, like it's just a lesson of did you feel like, all 577 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,440 right, I got to treat this as like the final because I mean, 578 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,240 what we saw historically in Paris and just in the last 579 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,520 couple years like this, this can go fast. 580 00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,960 And this time around it it didn't. 581 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:04,520 It was a four O 7 race, But what that did was it did leave 582 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:10,960 everyone in contention and in a way, like you followed Jess and 583 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,880 and Nelly to to safety. But it was I mean, this one got 584 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,760 physical too in that second round, in that second-half of 585 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,720 it, for sure. There's the photo of like the 586 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:22,000 Italian woman I think, stiff arming you. 587 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,760 Yeah, totally grabbing me. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I was 588 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,680 really, really confident going into the semi. 589 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,640 Like I think it is the most nerve wracking round because 590 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,320 you're so close and you don't want anything go wrong because, 591 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,560 you know, then you don't get the thing that you've been working 592 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,640 all season 4, which is just to stand on the start line of the 593 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,440 final. So I was like the most confident 594 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,200 though I think I've ever been, and then also the most nervous I 595 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:49,640 probably out of all three rounds. 596 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,600 But yeah, I think the gun went off and I was kind of expecting 597 00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:57,600 just to control the race. And when she done it and I found 598 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,240 myself in the front and on the pole position and we were 599 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,680 running like 70 twos. I was like oh this is fine. 600 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:05,320 Like I have the best position and like. 601 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,960 And so yeah, what I remember about that race is just going by 602 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,680 the slowest cuz we were out there for the longest and you 603 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,240 know, with it was getting, we passed 100. 604 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,760 And I think like we were, we ran like 72 for our first two OPS. 605 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:25,280 And right when we got to 800 and like what, 224 or whatever, Jess 606 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:27,680 says something to me 'cause like I'm on the pole position, Jess 607 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,160 is right next to me and she goes, let's string it out. 608 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,280 And I go, yeah. And so we right literally from 609 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:34,880 there we both just like start pressing. 610 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,000 But of course the whole field can press too. 611 00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,920 It's the world champs and it's the best people in the world. 612 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,000 So because I think there was some jostling right before that, 613 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,960 that's why she said that she's like, OK, I don't want either of 614 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,360 us to following. Let's just string it out. 615 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,240 And so like I, you know, we, we kind of just made each hundred 616 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,320 from there faster. And then Nelly at the bell, like 617 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,200 took the lead, which is great. And then it was kind of like, I 618 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,360 think US three pulling away. But yeah, like I think it was, 619 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,840 it's just fun to kind of, I think when the bell rang and I 620 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,960 was like in second or third, that's it's just the fun part 621 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,920 'cause I'm like, I know no one's going to out kick me, you know, 622 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,920 Like, and I just remember having a lot of fun that last lap and 623 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,080 just seeing, you know, you kind of like see how relaxed you can 624 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,440 be running this pace and, you know, anything can happen. 625 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,720 But I think I just knew. I just felt so good. 626 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,400 And, you know, and then we crossed finish line and I go to 627 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:24,680 Jess. Like there's all these pictures 628 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,320 of Jess and I after the summer. I like cracking up and, or like 629 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,360 me whispering to her and everyone's like, what are you 630 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:32,200 guys talking about? And I said to her right when I 631 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,160 was like, what exactly did you say? 632 00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:35,880 And she, she kind of makes funny. 633 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,240 She goes, not you not knowing what I said. 634 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,120 And you immediately were like, yeah, sounds good. 635 00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,520 And I was like, no, like I thought, did you say like, let's 636 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:43,880 string it out? She goes, yeah, that's what I 637 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:45,000 said. I was like, OK, OK, cool. 638 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,560 I just wanted to confirm it was just like us like making fun of 639 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,800 each other and yeah, but but I do remember like getting grabbed 640 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:55,160 or touched and pushed and I was like, OK, like this is this is a 641 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,520 lot like chill. But yeah, I think you I've been, 642 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,480 I mean, the, the US final was physical like that too. 643 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,040 So I've been in enough races this year where I'm like doesn't 644 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,880 really jostle me as much 'cause I'm like, this is like 1500 645 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,360 racing and especially if we're going to run 70 twos like this 646 00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,120 is just kind of bound to happen. So yeah, I kind of just remember 647 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:18,400 having a lot of fun once. Also, once you run 224 through 648 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,320 the eight, you're like, it's just going to be lights out. 649 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,280 And that's just fun. You know, that's my favorite 650 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,360 part about being a 15 runner. So I'm actually really glad I 651 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,320 got one of those, you know, at worlds. 652 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,800 Yeah. So Jess's quick comment there 653 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:36,520 like is, I know it's like a fully exhausting just sort of 654 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,880 like effort most times during these these races. 655 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,680 But like is, is there any other like sort of like moment in a 656 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,800 race before where you've had just sort of like that mid race 657 00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,880 conversation I guess or something that someone says 658 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,600 really quick that you react to? No, not like that. 659 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,360 Like it's more just like I've heard people like fully taught 660 00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,240 like stop, stop hitting me. It's more like. 661 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,520 Oh yeah, that that happened in at USA, Yeah. 662 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,960 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I've been in races and that 663 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,840 that was not the first race that I've heard that like stop or 664 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,880 like knock it off. Like it's kind of more like that 665 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,440 usually. So this is the first time it was 666 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,159 like it felt like a camaraderie. Thing it was pretty badass, 667 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:17,480 yeah. We're like literally competitors 668 00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:20,360 and like, all right, like, you know, but yeah, Jess was 669 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,480 actually telling me. I was asking her a couple days 670 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,600 before. Like it started. 671 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,719 I was like, oh, how does this or after round one, I was like, how 672 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:31,000 does he compare to like Tokyo in 2020 when it was like, you know, 673 00:34:31,199 --> 00:34:33,520 silent. She goes, it's crazy cuz you 674 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,440 could hear people breathing like so much more because there's no 675 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,480 fans. She goes and actually I remember 676 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,280 Ellie being in my Ellie Saint Pierre being in round one with 677 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,840 me and she said just let me lead because Jess had the pole 678 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,800 position and Ellie was right behind her and Jess was like 679 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,159 what? And she goes or something like 680 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,320 Jess let me buy. And Jess was like what? 681 00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:57,680 And and she's like Jess was like, I don't want to leave. 682 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,080 Like I don't want to go in front and Ellie goes, no, I'll leave. 683 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,960 Just let me through. And so and she's like, it's 684 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,760 crazy. We had a conversation like that 685 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:08,280 because like you couldn't do like sometimes it's too loud to 686 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,720 even like hear what you know. So I was like, that's crazy. 687 00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:13,680 She's and she's like, yeah. So I kind of remember a lot of 688 00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:17,720 talking or you could just hear people like breathing and 689 00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:20,800 grunting a lot more. But yeah, so that was my first 690 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,040 experience with like kind of having a conversation with 691 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,040 someone in a race. But like, I don't know, I guess 692 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,440 what they, that's what they do at this level. 693 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,560 I've seen like 5 case and 10 case where The Ethiopians are 694 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,480 just yapping away. I'm like, that's crazy. 695 00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,040 But yeah. What did you make of the Tokyo 696 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,320 crowd? Because like, I guess like 697 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,680 there's been mixed reviews, right? 698 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,400 Like one, it's the attendance was was crazy where like the 699 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:50,280 stadium was packed and the fans turned out, but it just doesn't 700 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,960 seem like it was. It's part of like the Japanese 701 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,240 culture to like get rowdy and go nuts in the stands. 702 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,000 And so like Budapest, that was the case. 703 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,240 There was like some sections where if there was a European or 704 00:36:05,240 --> 00:36:08,400 Hungarian athlete doing something crazy, like everyone 705 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,840 in the stadium knew where in Tokyo, it was more not 706 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,440 necessarily like the golf clap. It was like a little bit more 707 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,920 than that, a very respectful clap, except for when like a 708 00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,440 Nizomi Tanaka would go up to the front, then that's when they 709 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,280 would like go nuts. But I from the athlete 710 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,320 standpoint, like, how did it feel like listening to the crowd 711 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:34,360 from like from the track? Yeah, I think like you said, 712 00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,000 when there was a Japanese athlete doing something cool, 713 00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:40,000 Yeah, I'm not saying it was loud and that was epic. 714 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,200 And I think it's just unfortunate, but like there 715 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,520 wasn't adopted exactly, you know, in any of my races. 716 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,560 Or actually I think I think there was one in round one, 717 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,960 which is cool. But like, yeah, it's you almost 718 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,600 don't want to hear it that loud because you're like, I know the 719 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,480 potential now. You know, I know how loud you 720 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,760 guys can get. Like, come on. 721 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,800 But yeah, I definitely wasn't like the loudest stadium I've 722 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,120 ever been in. But I mean, people were into it 723 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:09,880 like it was it's a world champs. And you know, I, I actually 724 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,200 remember the loudest moment for me was right when we were 725 00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:17,800 striding out for the start of the 15 final and the four men's 726 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:21,440 400 semi was going and the Japanese athlete, what, what was 727 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,040 it top three or something? He, he went from 4th to 3rd 728 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:30,280 within the last 10 meters. And it was like truly right when 729 00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,200 they were like, OK, guys stride out to the start line. 730 00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,080 And so we're striding out to the start line right before the 731 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,960 final. And the stadium is like, like, 732 00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,160 yeah. And it's one of those things 733 00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,960 where I'm like, if you feel it in your ears 1st, and then 734 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,920 you're like your head and your body, you can just feel the 735 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,120 stadium. And like, I was like, this is 736 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,520 sick. And then I never felt it again. 737 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:54,800 I got, I got my moment and that was cool. 738 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,680 This episode is brought to you by ASICS and the all new Mega 739 00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,720 Blast. Now I get it, it's tough to do 740 00:38:03,720 --> 00:38:07,400 an ad read and listen to a guy while injured, but hear me out, 741 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,920 I'm excited for this one. The Mega Blast is the Mega Man 742 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,080 of the Blast lineup, armed with ASICS latest foam innovation, 743 00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,400 Flight Foam Turbo Squared. 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All right, So what are you 773 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,560 trying to accomplish on this day off and how much are you 774 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:55,680 thinking about how this race could pan out? 775 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,800 I just went for a run. And so we went back to like the 776 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:03,800 practice track that Team USA had met rented out and you know, 777 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,920 it's like Julie and Emma there with me and we're I think I did 778 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,520 a couple strides and stuff. So you're not, you know, I think 779 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,480 that was the only time I talked about it on that day was like 780 00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,360 right before my strides. Julie was like. 781 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,920 I don't even remember what she said that's that's bad. 782 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,280 But just like something like, OK, let's start thinking about 783 00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,880 this. The other, you know, like, you 784 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:26,200 know, just like cues that she'll always say and I'm like, yeah, I 785 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,200 know that's a good point. Or you know, like, yeah, we're 786 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,480 just talking about now that, you know, the field, the field set 787 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,640 right? And there was I think there was 788 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,520 a couple athletes that didn't make it through that you thought 789 00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,000 were whatever. And then there was that DQ. 790 00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:43,080 And so, oh, I think what she said was there's 14 athletes now 791 00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,880 because two people got pushed through and that does change 792 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,680 things because it's, it's crowded like 2 like 14, two more 793 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,800 people like does change the crowdedness of it. 794 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,960 And so, yeah, I think, I think that was the only time I really 795 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,960 talked about the race that day. And then it was just kind of 796 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,680 like, oh, let's go to a nice dinner. 797 00:40:58,680 --> 00:40:59,840 Where do you guys thinking for dinner? 798 00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:03,800 Like, you know, let's you kind of just like you don't think 799 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,880 about it. And I think that's, or at least 800 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,160 that's what works best for me is like, you know, when it when 801 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:12,280 it's happening, when the gun goes off, like I'm going to know 802 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,680 what to do what there's no point in like ruminating on this hour 803 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,560 or the other. And so you kind of try to think 804 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,640 about it as least as possible. And so it was a great day. 805 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,840 It it always goes by too fast. You're off day, you're always 806 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,520 like, it's bedtime already and tomorrow's the world final. 807 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,560 Like damn, like that blue line? Well, the crazy part is it's 808 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,720 like, yeah, you have the the day off, but then the whole next day 809 00:41:33,720 --> 00:41:36,200 also is essentially like a full day. 810 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:42,720 So was the sort of expectation based on how, you know, pre 811 00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:46,680 classic and some of these 1500 races have gone plus like the 812 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,640 last couple world championship and World finals, I mean, 813 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:55,400 Olympic final 2, Faith is going to find her way in the front and 814 00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,920 then just kind of make this one big fitness test for the field 815 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:04,440 or I guess like what, what did you think going in, stepping out 816 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:08,160 onto the track? I think I thought it was going 817 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:14,880 to be a lot like the Budapest 2023 World final where it's when 818 00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:18,880 Sagai is not in the race and it's just faith to like be the 819 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,200 one to make it fast. She doesn't usually make it fast 820 00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,920 until the last 8 or 700 of the race. 821 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,920 So and that one Budapest was a little was more on the slower 822 00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:32,040 and like they went 6565 and then their last 700 was like 823 00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:36,400 ridiculous like and I thought it was going to be like that, but 824 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,640 maybe a little. I was like, but maybe not to 10. 825 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:44,880 Maybe like 2O8I was like it's crazy 'cause I I think if I had 826 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,400 recorded myself predicting how the race was going to go, it's 827 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,360 like so similar to how it went like I was like, I think I'll be 828 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:55,160 two O 8 through the 800 and then it's going to be like a big 829 00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,480 shift and it's like not exactly what happened, but it's similar 830 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,720 like she fate took the lead, but like didn't right. 831 00:43:03,720 --> 00:43:06,200 She didn't run 350 from the start. 832 00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,760 Like we rent 64, which is that's 4 flat pays. 833 00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,640 That's like the full fields there when you're coming through 834 00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,520 and 64. But then what she did next was 835 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,800 like, shit like This is why she's the best. 836 00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,760 Like she ran then 63, then 62, then like 60. 837 00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,200 And it's like that way of running it. 838 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:27,320 You could not pick a harder way to run a 1500, like each lap 839 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,640 getting that incrementally faster. 840 00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:33,240 And that's why Faith is so good. She knows exactly how to run 841 00:43:33,240 --> 00:43:35,920 those splits, like to a tee. Like she she knows what she's 842 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,360 doing, you know, And it was one of those things where I when 843 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:43,440 it's happening, you're just like, why is every step getting 844 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,120 harder and harder? Like, like what is happening to 845 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,080 me right now? And it's like she's just running 846 00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,360 the legs out of everyone. And I think that's also why you 847 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:55,520 saw the overall times of people not being crazy fast, like, 848 00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:59,240 because it was, yeah, I can't think of a harder way to run a 849 00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:01,440 fast 1500. But yeah. 850 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,280 So I, I think I predicted it pretty. 851 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,320 I yeah, I think I know my competitors pretty well. 852 00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,440 And I know, like, you know, certain things surprise me here 853 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,800 and there, but like, I was like, yeah, that makes sense. 854 00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:17,240 I see how that happened. In the Instagram post that you 855 00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:20,080 put up, just kind of recapping like your experience in the 856 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,280 final, I think the thing that you stressed was just like 857 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:27,280 staying calm. And after that first lap, you 858 00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,640 know, I think that was and everyone's in it pretty easy to 859 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,320 do that. The second lap is where like 860 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,680 that's when it starts to get challenging. 861 00:44:36,240 --> 00:44:39,560 So how did you try your best to stay calm in that moment? 862 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,840 Yeah, I think I have just like words I say to myself each lap 863 00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:48,960 and my second lap is always flow like truly like the other laps, 864 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,640 the words that I say or the mantras I have changed. 865 00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,880 The lap 2 for me is always flow 'cause it's just something, it's 866 00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,600 just a really good cue for me of like focus on your form, focus 867 00:44:58,600 --> 00:44:59,960 on making this as easy as possible. 868 00:44:59,960 --> 00:45:03,560 Like, you know, just like it. It really just centers me, I 869 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:08,800 think more than any other word. And so yeah, I and I only pull 870 00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,880 out the mantras if I'm like struggling And I I remember 871 00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,120 immediately after lap run I was like Flo Flo. 872 00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:20,560 Like I was not feeling great, which is like fine, you know, 873 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,680 you, you kind of, I've been in races before where I don't feel 874 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,120 great at 400 and then by 200 to go, I'm like, OK, I'm fine. 875 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,440 Like so you know, you just kind of have to it's like a marathon. 876 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,640 I think there's certain miles like the 5th. 877 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,800 It's the same thing. It's just maybe more extreme of 878 00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,600 like some 2 hundreds you you don't feel great and that's OK. 879 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:38,680 You just have to get through them. 880 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,160 And so I think just really taking it lap by lap. 881 00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:47,240 And yeah, like I, I am extremely proud of how calm I stayed. 882 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:52,040 You know, like if you watch, I'm such a nerd of this sport and I 883 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,560 watch obviously every single race leading up to mine. 884 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:59,640 And like, if you watch the people that did well, like the 885 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,080 people that metal are the ones who are the most calm, like who 886 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:04,960 don't panic, who don't have to match every move, right? 887 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,960 They, they kind of Julie always says like be invisible. 888 00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,680 Like if you're just touching on the rail or like wherever you 889 00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,480 are, like, just like, like be invisible the first half or 890 00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:19,760 first, you know, 1300 even like, because that like can it can 891 00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,880 give you so much at the end if you are staying low emotion and 892 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:24,760 relaxed as possible. So that was like a big goal of 893 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,400 mine. And I think also because the two 894 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,960 other world finals I had been in, I think I mentally, I let 895 00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:34,240 the moment become bigger than it was. 896 00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:37,480 Like, you know, in the Paris final, as awesome as it was to 897 00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,720 be there, I think a big part of me was like, Oh my God, this is 898 00:46:41,720 --> 00:46:44,400 the Olympic final. Like, like, And I think you saw 899 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,840 that panic in the race and I was like, I don't want to do that 900 00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,160 again. I want to be calm and relaxed 901 00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:53,280 and, like confident that I belong here and I can be calm 902 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,280 and like, So yeah, that's why I think that's why that was such a 903 00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:59,400 big goal of mine for this particular final, because that 904 00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,040 would just show me personally a lot of growth. 905 00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,680 And like, so, yeah, like, maybe I didn't get the outcome I 906 00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,800 wanted, but like, man, did I hit my goal of like, being calm and 907 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,200 trying to stay low emotion and float and follow and relax. 908 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,520 Like all the words that I said to myself, yeah, I'm really 909 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,520 proud of how I, I, I navigated that race. 910 00:47:19,720 --> 00:47:22,440 Yeah, I'm going through you. You you shared them on 911 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,400 Instagram. So it was like low emotion. 912 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,120 OK, that was not about getting just sort of like the stage get 913 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:32,240 to you accomplish float. You know, that's trying to hang 914 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:34,520 on from there. All right, so then lap three 915 00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,720 follow at this point, I guess remind me, just sort of like, 916 00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:42,120 who did you say like set your crosshairs on 'cause it was 917 00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,720 Faith up in the front. Jess went with her. 918 00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,640 Dorcas was always kind of around. 919 00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:51,680 And then Nellie Chaputre was just, oh, Sinclair was up. 920 00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:53,000 Claire and Nellie were up there, yeah. 921 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,080 Yeah. So then like who did you kind of 922 00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:59,240 spot from there? So like, yeah, lap three, I 923 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,200 remember. So you cross 800. 924 00:48:02,240 --> 00:48:04,480 I remember on that next straight away, that's when I went by 925 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,240 Sinclair because I was like, OK, I need to moves are about to be 926 00:48:07,240 --> 00:48:08,920 made and I need to start following people. 927 00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:12,120 And I could tell she was in the on the rail and I was like, I 928 00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,520 need to go around. So I like, you know, pastor on 929 00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:16,640 the outside. And that's also when Hilu all of 930 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,320 a sudden. Yeah. 931 00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,800 And so I was like, OK, this is actually great. 932 00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:24,800 Like go with follow Hilu, right? It's not necessarily I didn't 933 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,440 have a plan before the race. That's why the word is follow. 934 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,360 It's not follow Jess or follow Sinclair, right? 935 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,360 It's just follow. And so it was kind of like 936 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,280 perfect that hi Lou made the move when she did cuz I was 937 00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,880 like, OK, someone to follow. So I, I kind of just got right 938 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:43,000 on her and I, I think yeah, I, I, I try stay was staying 939 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,360 engaged. It was like flooded with lactic, 940 00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,040 you know. And so, yeah, I was, I think I 941 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,760 remember doing that until you hit the bell. 942 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:53,920 And the, the interesting part of the four laps is that it's not 943 00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:58,040 the 1500 is 3 3/4 laps. So I only said follow for 300 944 00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,840 meters, 'cause then I hear the bell and it's time to go to my 945 00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,000 yeah, my next mantra. And it's relax, relax, relax. 946 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,880 Empty the sink. And the the reason it's 3 947 00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,320 relaxed is 'cause it's like 300m, you know, like the Yeah. 948 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,080 So yeah, I don't know what was your question to answer. 949 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,840 No, yeah, it was like who, who'd you follow? 950 00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,960 And it was, yeah, Hilu, 'cause I was watching it and I was like, 951 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,960 oh, there's there's a move being made and there's a little bit of 952 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,840 a gap forming. And then like, luckily for you, 953 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,680 Hilu was like the bridge to reconnect with that front pack. 954 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:38,320 And so I guess going into the final lap now, I guess how, how 955 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:43,280 relaxed can you get in that moment when like you can see, 956 00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,240 you know, where the metals are and how many people are ahead of 957 00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:48,440 you. And then at the same time, like 958 00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,960 faith has made it hurt. So like emptying the tank takes 959 00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,840 a little bit more. Yeah, yeah. 960 00:49:55,240 --> 00:49:59,480 I think that's why like I'm so glad that I stayed like process 961 00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:01,520 focused instead of like outcome focus. 962 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:06,280 Because if I had stayed so like laser focused on like bronze or 963 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,840 bust or like right, like gold, silver, bronze or bust, like I 964 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,480 think I would have completely fell apart when the bell rang. 965 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:16,480 Because like, you know, I'm not near gold, silver, bronze right 966 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,040 now. Like I'm in 6th place. 967 00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,200 And it's like, you know, but but that's why I like, I always go 968 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,160 back to like, it's about racing and like, if you can't be first, 969 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,840 try to be second. You can't be second, try to be 970 00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:27,880 third, right? And it's like, I'm in 6 billion 971 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:28,960 now. Like I might get 6. 972 00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,560 Like, OK, I want it. If I can get be fit, I want to 973 00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:34,320 be fit, right? Like, so I think you know what I 974 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,640 didn't, I also remember thinking like so much can happen in the 975 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,440 last 300 and I'm not in a bad spot. 976 00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,920 Like I and you'd never know. Like, I mean, I remember when 977 00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:49,000 Jenny got her medal in 2017. Like I think on the backside 978 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,680 she's like 4th, you know, and it's like you never know how 979 00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:54,040 hard the people up front are going and they might have gone 980 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,000 too hard, right? And so you just have to be there 981 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,840 like in order to strike. So I just remember being like, 982 00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:03,640 yeah, relax, relax, relax. And then the last 100 empty the 983 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,000 tank and and I you know, that in that last 100 is when I went 984 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:09,080 from 6th to 5th. Like, you know, I passed. 985 00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:12,280 Hi, Lou. And like, yeah, like I'm I'm so 986 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,160 proud. I'm always so proud of my last 987 00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,240 50. Like I think no matter what race 988 00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:19,960 I've been in this season or the past five seasons, like I always 989 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:24,480 fight for the like the very till the very end because like, yeah, 990 00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,760 why would it's not like third or bust? 991 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:30,440 It's like how high can I place? And, and that you know, so that 992 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,760 I think I'm really proud of my last 100 for I think it could 993 00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,600 have been easy to like pack it in and OK, the medals are 994 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,520 decided and I'm not there and all right, I'm kicking with Hilo 995 00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,200 and she's 5th and I'm 6th. It's like, no, I want to be fit. 996 00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:47,040 And I think I can, I think I can get you with the line and, and I 997 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,600 did and you know, so yeah, no, super proud of that. 998 00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,720 Sage said something so similar where it's sort of like there 999 00:51:53,720 --> 00:51:55,920 are some athletes who are just like framed or it's like, all 1000 00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,760 right, that once the medals are gone, they pack it in And it's 1001 00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,720 like Sage is like, I want to finish as high as possible. 1002 00:52:01,720 --> 00:52:05,320 And so like in that final stretch is able to make up 1003 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,720 ground and and fight for a couple extra spots 'cause yeah, 1004 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,520 I mean, like you just never know. 1005 00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:16,680 So I guess from there, 5th place, highest finish at a World 1006 00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,800 Championships or in or in Olympics for you. 1007 00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:23,880 I mean so much to celebrate. And I think like hearing the 1008 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,040 interview, I think when you came through the mix zone, yeah. 1009 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:32,000 I mean, it's like you, the, the, the feelings you had were, and I 1010 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,280 could tell just sort of like I watched all three videos like 1011 00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,240 kind of in succession and like your tone is so different in 1012 00:52:37,240 --> 00:52:41,880 that final one because it's like you are happy, you know, that 1013 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,400 you finished fifth. And then at the same time, like 1014 00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,400 there is just sort of that little bit of disappointment 1015 00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:51,200 that you have for yourself. But like everyone, I think was 1016 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,720 ready to celebrate just like how high you finish. 1017 00:52:53,720 --> 00:52:58,800 And so I guess what you came through and it was like such a 1018 00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,880 composed interview that you did. But then I feel like as soon as 1019 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,360 you walked through and finally had a moment to yourself, like, 1020 00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,600 did the emotions get to you a little bit? 1021 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:08,680 Yeah. No, totally. 1022 00:53:08,720 --> 00:53:13,240 I think, I think you just are going to ride, ride some waves 1023 00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:16,360 like, and I do, I think it is cool that initially like my 1024 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,160 reaction was really proud and I am really proud still. 1025 00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,640 But I think, yeah, you get a little bit more time to process 1026 00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:24,680 it and you're like, oh, wow. I was really close. 1027 00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:29,320 And like, you know, I think I went, I think the more you 1028 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:33,200 commit your life to this and the more you go all in, like the 1029 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:38,480 harder it stings 'cause like I, I feel like the past two years 1030 00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,240 I've like, really gone all in on this thing. 1031 00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:45,120 And like I've committed my life to seeing like how fat, how high 1032 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:48,160 can I place and can I be good enough for the, for a medal, you 1033 00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:52,200 know, And so I think it's hard because you're like, why was it 1034 00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,800 all like not worth it? You know, and you kind of have 1035 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,240 those doubts or whatever. But then, but then I just look 1036 00:53:57,240 --> 00:54:00,240 at like the journey. I'm like, no, I do it again. 1037 00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,160 I do it again. If I got 10, like, you know, 1038 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,040 it's, it is, it's such a worthwhile journey to go on to 1039 00:54:05,040 --> 00:54:07,000 see like how good you can be at something. 1040 00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:11,600 And I think that's why I, I feel like I connect with runners who 1041 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:13,840 at all levels, because that's what everyone's just trying to 1042 00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:15,080 do, right? Like anyone trying to run a 1043 00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:18,480 marathon in, in sub three hours, like you're just trying to see 1044 00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,560 like, how good can I be? And you know, you sacrifice this 1045 00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:25,040 or the other for it. And yeah, I think it's, it's a 1046 00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:29,120 worthwhile thing to endeavor. And I'm yeah, I I'd do it again. 1047 00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:32,360 And so, but I, but with all that being said, it, I think it 1048 00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,560 stings the most because I like, I think I care the most. 1049 00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,120 I care more than I ever have before. 1050 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:40,080 And I think, I think I feel like when I was a younger athlete or 1051 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,400 anyone that ran in college with me or you know, like I kind of 1052 00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,680 just like I had this protective, I think like coping mechanism of 1053 00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:52,640 like, I'm not going to go all in because like I want a safety net 1054 00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,760 to fall back on if I do right, Like I'll do all the work, but 1055 00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:00,360 also go like I'll party, you know, or all I'll do this on 1056 00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,720 another like to kind of be like, Oh, I didn't win because I don't 1057 00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:06,480 lift every week, right? Like you kind of make certain 1058 00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:09,320 bargains with yourself. And I think I just like finally 1059 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:11,400 got to a point in my life or career. 1060 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,240 Maybe I got maybe I just got mature enough. 1061 00:55:13,240 --> 00:55:16,120 I don't know what it is of like, no, it's cool to care and I'm 1062 00:55:16,120 --> 00:55:19,200 gonna go all in this thing. I'm not gonna like, I'm gonna go 1063 00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,120 to bed every night. Like when I need to, I'm gonna 1064 00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:22,800 eat right. I'm not gonna drink anymore. 1065 00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,200 Like right, like I I'm gonna lift every single week. 1066 00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,720 Like, like the way the little things that I've done the past 1067 00:55:29,720 --> 00:55:33,960 three years, like it's, it's I've gone all in for the first 1068 00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:35,520 time. And it's like, I think you see 1069 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,840 that in my success. And then that's why damn, like I 1070 00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:41,480 went all in. This still wasn't good enough. 1071 00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,880 Like, damn, like how do you cope with that? 1072 00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,160 But like at the same time, like, well, that's the journey. 1073 00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,400 And you can't skip steps. And I think I'm going to look 1074 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,400 back on this race next year or in three years and be like, 1075 00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,680 yeah, I had to go from 7th to 5th to then third, right. 1076 00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,720 And even if that ever happens, the outcomes like there's a 1077 00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:02,920 certain extent out of your control, right? 1078 00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,880 Like, I don't know, I think I think they're the men's like 1079 00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,800 1500, for example. Like I don't think Jake did 1080 00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:12,840 anything wrong. And and that guy running 12 for 1081 00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,960 his last 100, like that's not it. 1082 00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,880 What? That's none of Jake's business. 1083 00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:19,360 Like it's nothing to do with him. 1084 00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,400 So sometimes, like, I don't know, I'm just yapping now. 1085 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,400 But like, yeah, the outcome is so out of your control. 1086 00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,600 So all you can do is your best. And I can walk away proud 1087 00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:30,840 because I did my best and I went all in and I know I went all in 1088 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,600 and I got rewarded for being getting a top five finish. 1089 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,040 And that's that's pretty cool. And that's you have to celebrate 1090 00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:42,200 that. 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So tons, tons to to be proud of. 1110 00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:52,920 And I think like, yeah, the, the overwhelming feeling I think in 1111 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:57,520 general has been just sort of like 5th is awesome and like a 1112 00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,640 lot of people are proud of you. So I guess from there, the 1113 00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:05,640 celebration, like I saw the video, I think that was either 1114 00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:09,840 you posted or Julie posted that. Yeah, I mean, you were out in 1115 00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:13,960 your uniform, I guess having a celebratory drink right after 1116 00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:16,400 the race. So like how soon after getting 1117 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:18,240 out of the stadium did did that happen? 1118 00:58:18,840 --> 00:58:20,680 I mean, so I went to drug testing. 1119 00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:21,400 Right. That's right. 1120 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,360 Yeah. Which sucks my day, of course, 1121 00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:27,040 no, but it's fine. Like happy to do it. 1122 00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,280 It's just like you really don't have to pee when you're sweating 1123 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,360 that much and that humidity. So I was just kind of stuck 1124 00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:36,840 there alone for a long time. I think that's also why, like, 1125 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,920 you know, you're like the interesting thing about the mix 1126 00:58:39,920 --> 00:58:43,040 zone is like you go through it and then you like, then you see 1127 00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,880 your coach and, and usually, like athletes, or at least for 1128 00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:50,000 me, like I'm kind of harder on myself until I see like Emma or 1129 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,440 Julie and people in my Sports Center and they're like, you did 1130 00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,480 great. And then you're like, oh, yeah, 1131 00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,200 I did it, you know. And so I kind of had to wait a 1132 00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,280 long time to like, see Julie or Emma. 1133 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,160 And like, so that was like, yeah. 1134 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,680 So I went straight to drug testing. 1135 00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:08,200 I gave, you're supposed to do 90 milliliters and I gave 80. 1136 00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:11,720 And I just like, so I did a partial and it was like, of 1137 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,000 course. And then whatever. 1138 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:17,200 I eventually hit 90. And then, yeah, I, I, Julie, 1139 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:18,680 actually, I met her in drug testing. 1140 00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:21,080 She got there eventually. And so then we, me and her 1141 00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:26,000 walked to where Emma was and we got, yeah, just a glass of 1142 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:30,840 champagne and yeah. So it's like a solid like 90 1143 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,360 minutes after the race because of all the processing and 1144 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:33,960 everything. Yeah. 1145 00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:37,720 But yeah, it was, it was nice. And it's like, that's what I 1146 00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,240 wanted, like a goal. Yeah. 1147 00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:45,040 I want you just, all you want is to be with your people and yeah, 1148 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,800 celebrate or, you know, commiserate, whatever it is, 1149 00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:50,280 like a little bit of both and process. 1150 00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,520 You just got to process the really big thing that just 1151 00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,040 happened. And yeah, that sounds awesome to 1152 00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:57,880 to be with them. And Caitlin, Julie's 1153 00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,600 stepdaughter, was there too. So it was just fun and just good 1154 01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,000 vibes. And yeah, Julie and Emma are 1155 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:06,160 truly some of the most, like, hilarious people ever. 1156 01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,880 And so we're just like, I just remember like laughing a lot. 1157 01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,680 That's that's what you want after, after a race like that. 1158 01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:17,040 So all things considered, what was the most fun part of this 1159 01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,840 whole entire season or like the the the most memorable thing 1160 01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:21,200 that you're going to take away from this one? 1161 01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:24,720 From the season, yeah. I think also why this like 1162 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:29,080 there's a part of me that like like is a little bit down about 1163 01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:33,400 this is because I stood on that start line and believed with my 1164 01:00:33,400 --> 01:00:38,120 whole entire being and heart that I could walk away with a 1165 01:00:38,120 --> 01:00:41,480 medal. And like I think that that's the 1166 01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,040 the thing I have to celebrate the most because like I've never 1167 01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,400 stood on a start line of a global championship being like I 1168 01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,600 can do this. I can medal like, and that is 1169 01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:55,040 like, I think what I'll take away the most because like I 1170 01:00:55,040 --> 01:00:57,280 once that belief is there, I don't think it goes away. 1171 01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,240 So now I can just build on that. And it's like you said, it's a 1172 01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:02,080 step. It's like, it's a step in the 1173 01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:04,160 journey. And I think the more time that's 1174 01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:07,920 like gone on since the race, the more I'm like, this is a really 1175 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,080 important step. And like, and I'm so proud of 1176 01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,040 like all the things I fought through this season to get 1177 01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,680 there. Like, you know, there's things 1178 01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:19,160 like a coaching change, like that's crazy. 1179 01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:20,280 That's a crazy thing to go through. 1180 01:01:20,280 --> 01:01:23,320 And I went through it in February, you know, and then in 1181 01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:29,320 like, I don't know, like just like what, what like then I got 1182 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,920 like training partners for the first time and you know, that 1183 01:01:32,920 --> 01:01:36,800 was that was in April, May, you know, that's something else to 1184 01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:41,040 process. Like, you know, like I, I don't 1185 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,200 know, there was just so many things that happened along the 1186 01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,520 way that were kind of like just change and like, even though 1187 01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,040 they were really good changes and I do them all over again, 1188 01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,280 it's just hard. And then you add in like, I 1189 01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:55,560 guess the state of the world right now and the way like trans 1190 01:01:55,560 --> 01:01:59,480 people are getting, I don't know, like harassed, assaulted, 1191 01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,120 attacked, the rights taken away and like to be a member of that 1192 01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,400 community and just like to see that happening day in and day 1193 01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,400 out. Like, it's just a lot of hard 1194 01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:10,320 things to keep pushing through and keep your head down and, 1195 01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:11,840 like, keep providing for this goal. 1196 01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:15,160 And I'm just really proud of, I guess, all the ways I, I 1197 01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:19,960 continue to show up and continue to get my reps in and, like, try 1198 01:02:19,960 --> 01:02:23,000 to have a good attitude and, you know, despite all this stuff 1199 01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:26,280 going on. So yeah, I don't know if that 1200 01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:29,200 makes sense, but those are all the things I'm proud of. 1201 01:02:29,320 --> 01:02:32,680 No, yeah, I think like, yeah, you showed up for so many 1202 01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:36,360 different people, so many different communities just all 1203 01:02:36,360 --> 01:02:39,200 throughout the year. I would say like in addition to 1204 01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:42,240 that, just like so many different times and places that 1205 01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,920 like you've, I mean, it's been a long year and so it's not over 1206 01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:47,800 yet. Oh, yeah, that's right. 1207 01:02:47,800 --> 01:02:48,960 It's not even over yet. OK. 1208 01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,240 So I guess like, that transitions perfectly, just sort 1209 01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:55,400 of like, is it tough to keep training now and extend this, I 1210 01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,960 guess a whole nother couple more weeks because Athos will be just 1211 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,280 kind of like the big final close to the season. 1212 01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,560 So how has training been going, I guess since then? 1213 01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,960 And I guess it'll be fun. I guess one more mile. 1214 01:03:07,360 --> 01:03:11,640 You got Faith one more time. Goudalf's the guy slated to pace 1215 01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:13,560 this thing. So yeah. 1216 01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:18,520 Slated to pace. Yeah, she might win the whole 1217 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:19,120 thing too. Yeah. 1218 01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:26,440 She's going to pace and finish. No, I think yeah, it's hard. 1219 01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:28,000 It's hard to come back and keep training. 1220 01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:29,320 But you know what? OK. 1221 01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:34,120 A movie I watched before the final was Free Solo, the 1222 01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,960 documentary of Alex Hall. Free like. 1223 01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,800 Yeah, yeah, I I saw the clip of you crying, crying. 1224 01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:43,680 Yes, just such a beautiful film. Yeah. 1225 01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:47,840 And he, he climbs the step, right? 1226 01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:51,480 He doesn't spoil or he doesn't he, you know, climbs our cap and 1227 01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:55,160 like one of the things he does immediately after is like he 1228 01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:59,760 does some like hang, hang things on the on his like bar or 1229 01:03:59,760 --> 01:04:02,680 whatever when he gets back to his van and it's like I feel 1230 01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:05,000 like that's me right now, Like I just did. 1231 01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,240 I just freaking soloed El cap like I competed at the world 1232 01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:12,120 champs and like why not just like continue to race and and 1233 01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:16,400 hang on a you know, and like no, but it's it's fun. 1234 01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,520 Like I'm, I'm excited for Atlas and it's not like I'm like, all 1235 01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:21,880 right, I got to hit this big workout. 1236 01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:24,480 Like I'm truly just like going through the motions and and I 1237 01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:27,360 think it's going to be just like a celebration of a, of a good 1238 01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,680 season. And yeah, but I am excited. 1239 01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:32,680 It's a mile and you know, I haven't raced one of those this 1240 01:04:32,680 --> 01:04:35,960 outdoor season, so it's fun. And it's a fun trip to New York. 1241 01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:37,880 New York, My favorite city, Yeah. 1242 01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,920 All right, I want to end with a couple fun questions. 1243 01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:47,200 I guess best 711 pick up. I watched your hall on TikTok. 1244 01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:52,800 I after seeing the video with that you did with Emma, I went 1245 01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:56,480 and I attempted to do the iced latte, but the coolish yeah, 1246 01:04:56,880 --> 01:05:00,560 except my coolish was like I think too frozen and it was just 1247 01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,600 like so difficult to like squeeze out of the whole thing. 1248 01:05:03,600 --> 01:05:07,160 I was like this is a fail. But for you, I guess what was 1249 01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:10,920 best pick up because I think also the challenge with it is 1250 01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:16,560 that everything that you can't read these labels and I you just 1251 01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:18,760 have to go off of like what the packaging looks like. 1252 01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:22,560 Sometimes I'd be like, I don't know, I don't know if I'm I'm 1253 01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:25,760 going to like this. Yeah, yeah, no, that was fun. 1254 01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:27,920 Emma and I did it a few 711 hauls. 1255 01:05:28,840 --> 01:05:31,640 Yeah, there was definitely some snacks that were like, would not 1256 01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:33,160 get that again. And then there was some that 1257 01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,520 we're like, OK, we're getting ten of these and putting them in 1258 01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,720 our zoo case. So yeah, I actually really did 1259 01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:42,560 like the coolish iced latte that I made. 1260 01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:45,360 It was pretty good. It's like ice cream and iced 1261 01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:47,320 coffee, so it just tastes like a Frappuccino. 1262 01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:49,440 But yeah, that was probably my favorite. 1263 01:05:50,240 --> 01:05:56,920 After all that talk about going to Like a Pig or Owl Cafe, like 1264 01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,880 I didn't make it out to 1. I ended up at a Robot cafe. 1265 01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:05,280 But yeah, but you made it out to Like a Pig Cafe, right? 1266 01:06:05,400 --> 01:06:06,400 Or I did. Yeah. 1267 01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:08,960 How was that? Oh, it was great. 1268 01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:09,600 It was. Yeah. 1269 01:06:09,600 --> 01:06:13,480 So Julie listened to our podcast that we did talking about it. 1270 01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:16,400 And so she texted me like the next day and was like, I booked 1271 01:06:16,400 --> 01:06:17,600 us a pig. Have it. 1272 01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,640 I was like, oh, yeah. So me, Emma and Julie went and 1273 01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,960 it was, it was like, I think the theme of this, like world champs 1274 01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:26,360 for me is like calming, 'cause it was so calm. 1275 01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:30,000 It was, we literally sat there for an hour and pigs just like 1276 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,760 came up and slept on you. And it was like the most 1277 01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,880 adorable, like cutest thing ever. 1278 01:06:35,040 --> 01:06:36,800 Oh, and then they also like bring you a coffee. 1279 01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,440 So it was, it was great. Yeah. 10 out of 10 would 1280 01:06:40,440 --> 01:06:43,280 recommend. There was some, the pigs that 1281 01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:45,320 were on Emma were kind of fighting with each other. 1282 01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,040 So I didn't love that vibe, but that was my vibe was calms. 1283 01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:50,800 They were all just fighting because they wanted to. 1284 01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:52,760 They all wanted to sit on Emma's lap. 1285 01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,840 We walked past like one that had otters, and I was like, OK, this 1286 01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,200 is a little bit too weird. It was just like, yeah. 1287 01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:00,960 Otters. Were they in the water? 1288 01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,360 No. Like, I don't know how they made 1289 01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:07,320 it work, but then there was a long line to get in and I was 1290 01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,240 like, no, wow, like that. That just feels. 1291 01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,360 That feels drunethical. Yeah, I don't know why pigs 1292 01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,680 don't feel unethical, but. Well, that was like, you know, 1293 01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,560 Sam Mack's wife, you know, for the listeners wondering, 'cause 1294 01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:21,800 like, her whole thing was just sort of like, I need to know 1295 01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,600 everything about like, where these pigs are sleeping at 1296 01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:29,320 night, like how they're being taken care of in order to even 1297 01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:32,320 just think of going to to one of those spots. 1298 01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:36,440 But yeah, in the moment you're just sort of like, yeah, this is 1299 01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:39,720 really nice. No, they take good care of them. 1300 01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:41,880 I was kind of nervous of that too, but it was, they were 1301 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,400 telling us that it's like really important to socialize them. 1302 01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,240 And so this being around people and other pigs, like gets them 1303 01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:50,680 really social. And then I, yeah, the the woman 1304 01:07:50,680 --> 01:07:52,480 that were working there, I was like, OK, they know what they're 1305 01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:54,280 doing. They were like, the pigs really 1306 01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:55,720 liked them too. So I was like, OK, this is a 1307 01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,000 good sign. OK, Just trying to justify. 1308 01:07:58,120 --> 01:07:59,880 Yeah, yeah. All right. 1309 01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:04,240 Final question is what is one thing from Japan like culturally 1310 01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:08,000 or whatever it is that you're hoping to adapt to like your 1311 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,520 everyday life and to bring to America? 1312 01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:16,000 For me, I noticed yesterday when I was at this concert that I 1313 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:20,359 think I was like trying to point at like 1 of the like concession 1314 01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:23,640 stands. And because people in Japan 1315 01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:27,720 don't point, I started, they, they said you use your whole 1316 01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,560 hand. And so like as awkward as it is 1317 01:08:29,560 --> 01:08:32,560 at first, like I've just started pointing at things with my, my 1318 01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:35,359 full hand. And so I was like, I don't know 1319 01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:38,760 how long this is gonna go for, but like, as of right now, like 1320 01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:42,760 I am just pointing at things with my full, full hand at this 1321 01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,439 point. And now it's just like so weird 1322 01:08:45,439 --> 01:08:52,520 to cause in Japan people don't walk around and eat and drink at 1323 01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:53,960 all. Oh yeah, yeah. 1324 01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:57,800 And I didn't know that may be my first time in Tokyo back in 1325 01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:59,600 2019. And so in retrospect, I was 1326 01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,640 probably being super rude. But then this time around, I was 1327 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:06,600 so cognizant of the whole thing. But then I was like, you know, 1328 01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,960 like that, that's so great. Like, I'm going to bring that 1329 01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,760 back to the US And then just today, I was just like, it's 1330 01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:16,359 just sometimes so nice to go for a walk with like, air pods and a 1331 01:09:16,359 --> 01:09:19,120 cup of coffee in your hand. And I was like, yeah, I don't 1332 01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,120 think that's gonna be one thing that I'm keeping around. 1333 01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:25,399 So that lasted all but like 12 hours before I finally, like, 1334 01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:26,920 gave it up. But for you, I guess, like, is 1335 01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:28,920 there anything that you're like, you know what that was pretty 1336 01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,520 cool for for 10 days. I'm gonna try and keep doing 1337 01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:34,920 that. I I liked the bowing. 1338 01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,200 I liked how the people bowed. We got to get into more bowing, 1339 01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:40,000 yeah. Yes, got to do that. 1340 01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,920 I liked that when you accept something, you accept it with 1341 01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:45,600 both hands. Yep, both hands. 1342 01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:48,240 I thought that was just really cute, like, you know what I 1343 01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:49,920 mean? Like like someone was handing me 1344 01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,319 like my room key, you know, and I'm. 1345 01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:54,720 It's sometimes the tiniest thing and you have to receive it with 1346 01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:57,360 both hands. So it's like a receipt for 1347 01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,200 things. And it like, yeah, it's like 1348 01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:01,880 this, this is a tiny piece of paper. 1349 01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:03,800 Why? Why does it take two hands? 1350 01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,640 But. I guess it just felt like 1351 01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:10,920 polite, you know what I mean? But I liked I also love I do did 1352 01:10:10,920 --> 01:10:13,760 appreciate their like their timeliness, like the being on 1353 01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,440 time. Well, cuz I heard that like if 1354 01:10:16,440 --> 01:10:20,440 you weren't on, if you arrived on time for something, you were 1355 01:10:20,440 --> 01:10:22,560 technically late. Like most people are early to 1356 01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,680 things, yeah. Yeah, yeah. 1357 01:10:24,960 --> 01:10:29,120 So I am, as someone who is chronically late, same. 1358 01:10:29,240 --> 01:10:31,760 I think I'm gonna try to implement that into my life. 1359 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:34,840 Except I was literally it's like 3 minutes late for this same 1360 01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:36,760 call so not going well. That's OK. 1361 01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:43,200 I I like saw that the longest delay that the trains had in 1362 01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,240 while we were there was like 6 minutes total. 1363 01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:48,080 I was like New York could never like. 1364 01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:55,840 So yeah, it was overall like I'm in favor of like, you know, 1365 01:10:56,000 --> 01:11:00,960 World Athletics and the World Championships going to like cool 1366 01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,440 places around the world. Cause like for both of us, like 1367 01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:05,480 it's really cool that this is part of our job to go and 1368 01:11:05,480 --> 01:11:07,360 explore like all these different places. 1369 01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:11,120 But at the same time, like it is, it is like exhausting 1370 01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:15,320 sometimes to adjust and then, you know, perform at your best 1371 01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:19,760 and then try and just, yeah, I mean, so it'll be interesting 1372 01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,920 'cause I guess the next couple we have next year, it's go back 1373 01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:25,640 to Budapest for World Ultimate champs. 1374 01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:30,000 That'll be nice. Then after that it's Beijing, 1375 01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:34,160 which I've never been to China. And then after that will 1376 01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:40,280 probably be, well, there's LA and then so LA will be normal. 1377 01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,800 And then after that it's probably, I would think the way 1378 01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,160 I think it's going to shake out will probably be 2029 will be 1379 01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,480 London, which will be nice to go back to, like, oh, that'll be 1380 01:11:48,640 --> 01:11:50,240 cool. Europe, Europe, yeah. 1381 01:11:50,240 --> 01:11:56,720 And then 2030, 2031 or 2030 will be. 1382 01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:58,600 That doesn't even sound like a. Real does it? 1383 01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:00,600 No. And The thing is, is like Cooper 1384 01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:02,720 Leichner House is going to be like 20 years old for. 1385 01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,880 I don't, I don't think I'll be running that, but OK. 1386 01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:08,240 Where's 2031? Do we? 1387 01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:09,720 Know well this is a good time to get out. 1388 01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:12,640 I think it's going to be Nairobi, Kenya, which will mean 1389 01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:13,520 altitude. Oh. 1390 01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,640 Shoot, I would cry. Yeah. 1391 01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:24,480 I actually heard Celestia Poland was, they did a really good job 1392 01:12:24,480 --> 01:12:26,760 with that Diamond League and I was like, wow, they're like 1393 01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,080 really? And someone said it's 'cause 1394 01:12:29,080 --> 01:12:31,360 they're trying to bid for a world champ, so maybe they're 1395 01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:34,280 trying to bid for 29 or 31, I don't know. 1396 01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:39,080 Or 33 or something like that at this point, like it's a sense 1397 01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:39,760 these. Aren't real. 1398 01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:41,320 Years, No, these aren't real years. 1399 01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:46,680 As long as it's not like going back to Eugene again then I'm OK 1400 01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:49,160 with it. I'm OK with like US champs or 1401 01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:53,840 trials at in Eugene, but I don't know if like experiencing the 1402 01:12:53,840 --> 01:12:57,600 crowds that we had in Budapest, Paris and and Tokyo. 1403 01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:00,720 I'm like, OK, that's what a World Championships feels like, 1404 01:13:00,720 --> 01:13:02,720 but. No, I'm excited. 1405 01:13:02,720 --> 01:13:04,440 I'm really excited for Budapest next year. 1406 01:13:04,440 --> 01:13:08,840 And yeah, I, I'm also really excited for the like ultimate 1407 01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:13,640 World Championships truly just cause like the format, like we 1408 01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:16,280 don't have to worry about USA, like, I don't know, I think 1409 01:13:16,280 --> 01:13:20,400 it'll just be really cool to see how it plays out in like I could 1410 01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:23,560 for the first time my life peek for a championship instead of 1411 01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,000 having to like peek for USAS and then peek again. 1412 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,160 Like, I don't know, I think it could just be really could suit 1413 01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:32,320 the Americans really well. And so, but yeah. 1414 01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:34,680 And yeah, I think the crowd in Budapest was like, really 1415 01:13:34,680 --> 01:13:37,160 awesome. Yeah, I guess like the fans are 1416 01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:39,240 probably curious. I still, I don't know, I haven't 1417 01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:42,640 studied it up enough, but your path to like the World Ultimate 1418 01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:45,760 Championships, it's just going to be like chasing ranking right 1419 01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:49,320 a bunch. Yeah, I think it's ranking. 1420 01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:51,880 I think it might be a descending order. 1421 01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:56,200 Well, it's interesting because a lot of spots are like sealed up. 1422 01:13:56,280 --> 01:13:58,400 Like if you're, if you're Olympic champ, you're 1423 01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,600 automatically in. If you have run the fastest time 1424 01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:02,040 in the world that year, you're automatically in. 1425 01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,760 And then I think there's like one or two other ones where you 1426 01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,760 like kind of get automatically in or if you win the Diamond 1427 01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:09,360 League final, I think you're automatically in like something 1428 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:10,920 like that. And then you kind of fill the 1429 01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:12,920 field from there and. I well, the cool thing in the 1430 01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:16,200 1500s is faith could just like take up all of those categories 1431 01:14:16,480 --> 01:14:18,240 and then just be like, all right, we're going to go off 1432 01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:20,600 descending order for the other 11 spots. 1433 01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:22,880 Yeah. Yeah, and I and also world 1434 01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:25,240 ranking I think plays a big role and I've, you know, everyone 1435 01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,200 that ran well this year has a kind of a leg up. 1436 01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:30,640 So yeah, it'll be interesting how it how it shakes out. 1437 01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:33,120 Like yeah, that'll be fun. Already thinking about next 1438 01:14:33,120 --> 01:14:36,120 year. Yeah, there we go, Nikki. 1439 01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:39,920 Always a pleasure chatting it up with you and recapping and 1440 01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:44,360 reflecting on an amazing season. And luckily, I'll get to see you 1441 01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:46,880 in New York very soon for one more race. 1442 01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:49,440 Yeah, of course. No, thanks for having me. 1443 01:14:49,440 --> 01:14:53,640 It's great. Thank you all for listening to 1444 01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:55,480 this episode. 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