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All right, Happy Memorial Day. 
It is May 25th. 

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I'm Chris Chavez. 
I'm Kyle Merber. 

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And this week in track and 
field, we're unpacking the 

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Xiamen Diamond League was kind 
of a run back of the same meet 

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that happened in China just a 
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So not a ton on that. 
But we will talk about the track

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fest that took place out in Los 
Angeles this weekend. 

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And in addition to that, the 
enhanced games did take place. 

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And we've got some, some 
thoughts because I was on a 

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plane when it was going down and
I the, the, the meet was going 

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down, not the plane, but there 
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And it was either that or watch 
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the fourth time. 
And I was like, you know what, 

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Let's just see what this whole 
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Was that the only movie they had
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Yeah, just just crazy for Jason.
That's the only one. 

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Do you? 
Remember Flights used to be like

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that, where you would just have 
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have to watch it. 
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And I kind of, well, yeah, it 
was, it was. 

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But this isn't even that. 
Like there were no TV's on this 

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on this plane. 
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those where you open up, you 
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they give you like the options 
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And I was like, all right, well,
I can either spend 40 minutes 

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'cause I'm really indecisive 
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watching movies, or I can just 
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enhanced games on YouTube. 
And the chat is always just sort

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of fascinating to watch. 
People just kind of crapping on,

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on every little part of it. 
The stream kicked out at one 

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point, but basically like to me,
it was just like a it's, it's a 

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car crash, right? 
Like, and you just, you're 

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passing by, you can't look away.
And I found myself just kind of 

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scrolling through Instagram at 
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stream when I there were a bunch
of events that I didn't really 

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care for, but eventually track 
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And well, First off, I think 
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in the days leading into it, 
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It did start to take over. 
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like. 
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been talking about this. 
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up to this and then. 
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it's like they did a good job of
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media, whether it was Vanity 
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Times, like there were profiles 
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done. 
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influencer network pretty, 
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People were being paid to be 
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the whole part of it was like, 
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the actual sports and 
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is, being that it's like a 
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their different products, then 
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thing through a different lens. 
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watching, I texted our group 
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is like the WWE basically where 
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is. 
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They kept talking about world 
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records and not they only got 1 
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which even then, like if you 
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swimming and and Aquatics folks 
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sceptical of like the whole 
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At first I thought it was like, 
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100 meters, it's going to be 
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Even the pool four lanes versus,
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I was like, there's got to be 
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stuff that I walked into it with
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the performances weren't going 
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Well, last week I wanted to 
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count that you ultimately shut 
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Like it was like, let's not 
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I think like talking about it 
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well, let's not hype it up too 
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Is that a fair general 
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you want to approach it? 
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like a lot of people taking 
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going to be talking or watching 
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And at the very beginning, I 
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this podcast months ago, I think
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right, we're never going to talk
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And once, and I said this last 
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got a little bit more 
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Then 24 hours out from the whole
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isn't even an enhanced athlete. 
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thing clean. 
We did. 

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That we knew that or I knew that
off the right. 

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Yeah, all. 
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So like. 
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essentially was to say, don't 
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is not, this is not track and 
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This is, you know, this is Peter
Thiel, like having fun with 

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billions of dollars, Like this 
is not a competitor to what 

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we're doing in any way, shape or
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And so that would have been, 
that's been my stance, like this

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is not track and field. 
This has nothing to do with 

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track and field. 
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we do in a lab with mice and 
will that help us sell things 

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that. 
TRTHGH. 

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Whatever. 
It is like, will this help us 

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sell our special vitamins to lay
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$1,000,000 on facelifts? 
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It's not for athletes. 
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curious, right? 
So when it's on, I jumped in and

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out. 
I wanted to see it. 

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It was a it was a nice facility.
It should be at the millions of 

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dollars that was spent. 
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100m runway was about 105 meters
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They were crashing into that 
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If someone would have run 94, 
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other side of that finish line. 
Like you could have just made it

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a little bit longer. 
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like the whole pool situation, 
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Faster. 
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someone I pointed out I was 
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And like, I feel like there's 
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of the depth, the width of the 
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I don't know, the, the 
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competing in. 
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swimming succeeded I think a 
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and track. 
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whole entire thing in swimming. 
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The storyline around so many 
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been retired for seven years. 
Let's see if they could come 

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back and match their, their 
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And so, I mean, I was kind of 
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after the first round of the 
men's Hundred Goes 998 with Fred

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winning that first round, that 
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drum of the, like, world record 
talk. 

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Oh, it's a ridiculous talk. 
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I mean, look, if you were an 
enhanced games hater, and I am 

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not a hater nor supporter. 
I just again, like, I don't 

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really care. 
I it's it's nothing to me 

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because it's not track and 
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Then last night was a best case 
scenario because no athlete 

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watching that thought, oh, wow, 
I should take drugs. 

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Look how well it worked. 
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from that saying like, oh, that 
was really cool. 

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I want to do it next year. 
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Like, where does it go from 
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I mean, I don't feel convinced 
about their the quality of their

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drugs. 
No. 

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Both of the Sprint winners were 
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So you had Fred, who won the 
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Well, also, there was no false 
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No one was getting dequeued. 
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thought we were getting a repeat
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from, was it last year or two 
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of the blocks and then threw 
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afterwards? 
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some of that. 
And he, he, he was clearly 

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pissed. 
But they had for all the money 

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that was spent on the venue, the
the the starting blocks were the

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same high school blocks that we 
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It seemed like technology would 
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bar that you could have lifted. 
Just like even the even the 

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Justin Gatlin wind turbines like
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far on I. 
Guess you're not selling wind 

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turbines, you're selling drugs. 
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work it seems like. 
No biggest winner is that 

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Tristan Evelyn, who won the 
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Not even a personal best, not 
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And she walks away with $250,000
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have won New Balance Nationals 
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Yeah, I mean, look, I don't hold
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participated, especially like 
knowing where they all are at in

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their career. 
I, I think again, like going 

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back the last couple years, my 
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like we might as well just have.
I'd rather people who are doing 

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drugs have their own thing. 
Yeah, right. 

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Like, just do your own thing. 
I don't care. 

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Just don't come into my thing. 
But yeah, I I don't see any 

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reason why they should do more 
of these like it should. 

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It was. 
That seemed like enough. 

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The only reason they would do 
more is because they probably 

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lean into just now the story arc
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Enhanced games will be like, Oh 
no, they've been on the 

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protocol. 
It was a word they kept throwing

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around for much longer. 
So now we showed you what they 

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could do off of, you know, 2-3 
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Now here's what it looks like 
after six months. 

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And so that's the only other 
thought I think that I could 

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see. 
And also because if you do think

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of this as WWE, now you've got 
your cast of characters, right, 

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Like, and this is going to be 
your travelling circus for the 

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next go round, unless some of 
them feel like I've been 

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embarrassed. 
You need like, if you're Marvin 

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Bracey, do you feel fine after 
running about the 10 three? 

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But with $85,000 in your bank 
account, Yeah, like, would you 

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do it again? 
For 85,000, I bet he would do it

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in a heartbeat. 
Yeah, but yeah, I don't know. 

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I it's, I don't want to talk 
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It's kind of over like a again, 
like a nothing burger to me in 

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so many ways. 
It's just seemed like a waste of

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money. 
Also it seems like everyone 

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who's involved with this was 
like AI generated. 

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Oh, brainwashed like the the, 
not the. 

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Athletes not the like on the 
other side, like Umbrella Guy, 

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What are we doing? 
Brian Johnson at the umbrella. 

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Yeah. 
And then, you know, the sun 

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hasn't fully set and then the 
umbrella is gone. 

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I I've always had this thought 
about Brian Johnson that like, 

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you know, if you're that 
possessive and controlling over 

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every little element of your 
life, you mean you just stay at 

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home the whole entire time, 
like. 

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But then he goes out to all 
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like speaking engagements and 
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you, you're setting yourself 
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like, and this is legit. 
This is something I live in my 

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life by which is you have to eat
fast food every now and then. 

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any fast food, then when you 
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that you have to eat fast food, 
your body doesn't know what's 

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going on and it freaks out and 
you're shitting your pants for a

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really long time. 
But if you just like, stay in 

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touch once a month, you have a 
little Taco Bell, you have a 

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chicken nugget. 
Just feel something. 

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Just feel some just to 
familiarize. 

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I feel like that's part of the 
optimization of health is not 

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having any variables throw you 
off. 

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Yeah. 
Like my body's been through hell

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because I've trained it and it 
bounces back. 

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Brian Johnson, He could never 
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means my body is more optimized 
than. 

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It is they asked one of the 
athletes like what are you going

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to do to celebrate? 
And he was talking about eating 

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Donuts and and breaking 
protocol. 

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And then they add Brian Johnson,
the same thing which I go, do 

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you ever break critical? 
And like he he like couldn't 

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take the joke whatsoever. 
Just like once it was like, no 

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I, I will pass on like the 
Donuts. 

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Sucks. 
Why live forever, all right, 

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Yeah, why live for everybody can
enjoy any part of life. 

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Bring on the actual track and 
field, Chris. 

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What else is on the? 
Schedule All right, let's move. 

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Let's let's start off really 
quickly, I guess with knocking 

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out Shanghai Zhang Men Diamond 
League. 

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I keep saying Shanghai, but 
these meets were basically the 

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same. 
Biggest highlight of this one. 

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Masai Russell running 12/14 in 
the 100 hurdles, breaking her 

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own American record, just barely
missing Tobi Amusan's world 

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record of 12/12 by two 
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It's still super early on in the
season, but now she's on this 

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absolute heater. 
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that Messiahs found this 
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which has been, you know, over 
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years where we've always said 
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unpredictable every time they go
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scared of each other. 
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it's like, oh, no, Now each time
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winning. 
And I mean, she's on another 

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level right now. 
Yeah, I mean, this was the race 

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of the meet for sure. 
I look Masai didn't win World, 

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so I don't know if I'd 
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And she's obviously running 
exceptionally well. 

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My take away from this is 2 
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write about it this evening. 
First, we should apologize 

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collectively as track fans to 
Tobi Amusan because in 2022 when

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she ran fast, everyone had an 
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And now that the times have 
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since those world champs in 
Eugene, suddenly that world 

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record is seemingly very legit. 
And I don't think I ever said 

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anything. 
So I'm not, don't come at me. 

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I don't think I ever. 
But plenty of people accused 

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equipment failure, drugs, yadda 
yadda, like everyone had 

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theories. 
Because at the time when she ran

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12/12, she destroyed a world 
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Harrison that no one had really 
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And now that time of 12/12 seems
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like Masai is coming for it. 
She's now run 1214 and 1217 and 

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1219. 
So that's my first thing. 

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Do you have any I'll pause for? 
No, I agree. 

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And I remember, I remember just 
sort of the collective outrage 

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from everyone but folks from 
Nigeria who were just like, 

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well, there were so many 
different holes people were 

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trying to point. 
It was like 1, I think. 

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Was this before or after the 
whereabouts stuff? 

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It was after right I? 
Want to say it was before? 

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Before, OK, well I mean that 
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The. 
Course of the next couple years,

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but then on top of that, we, 
this also was I think same World

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Championships where we had the 
Devon Allen false star thing. 

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And so then people probably were
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we let this one go then. 
Yeah, I mean, it was, yeah, it 

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was I, I, I, I remember the, 
the, the outrage online from 

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anyone trying to discredit the 
whole thing. 

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But now if you look at the all 
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what got a bunch of the top 20 
all time performances. 

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She's all over it. 
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And something that I think is 
really interesting about Masai 

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is that she has completely 
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the first time in her career and
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the outdoor season and I. 
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is her training partner, Devin 
Charlton, the best meter hurdler

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in the world in the lay next to 
her also ran a personal best 

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1237 national record. 
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She was neck and neck with the 
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And then Masai just finishes off
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And so look it it, she's going 
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her races for the rest of her 
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lanes next to each other, 
definitely huge benefit. 

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And then the next thing, Chris, 
that I'm going to broach and I 

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want to be on record saying I 
think it's possible. 

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I think we might see a sub 12 at
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And the reason I say that is a 

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couple things. 
One the Wind plus .5. 

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That's all Masai had. 
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say 12 O 4. 
So now we're right there. 

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But even more so is the race 
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field stacked with many, many 
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constantly throughout their 
career. 

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This is not necessarily a known 
as a fast Sprint track. 

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Like people don't RIP it here. 
And only one guy, Fernando 

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Maniala, gets just below 10 
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And then the next race, Masai 
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Like it sound like the track was
hot. 

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It's not like all day people 
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No. 
So I'm just saying it's possible

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sub 12 I and I feel like I want 
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potential thing because when it 
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will be incredible. 
It will be 1 of the biggest. 

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I think it's the next big 
barrier that's like for the 

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taking. 
You know, we got rid of sub two 

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now we got rid of sub 14. 
I don't know what else we have 

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left, what else we got, we got 
rid of that's our next like 

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round Number that makes sense, 
sub 12. 

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And I don't know if Nike is 
going to put together a special 

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project to do this, but. 
I, I, I say you don't need it. 

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I don't need a special No, I 
think like. 

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Am I crazy? 
No, you're not all those. 

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I guess maybe you'll, you'll 
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being like, OK, that's, you 
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we're at right now. 
Yeah, that that's a big chunk of

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time in this event. 
What would what would it equate 

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to on the scoring tables? 
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right now Toby's record is 1272 
which doesn't even seem all that

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high considering where all these
other world records are and now 

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my size 1269. 
So what would it sub like at 

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11.99 end up being? 
I have no idea but. 

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It's not untouchable. 
It's not like an unheard of 

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thing, but again, like I'm 
saying it from the perspective 

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of getting the favorable wind. 
And she let when she ran her 

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previous American record of 
12/17, it was plus 2O. 

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Yeah. 
So this is like significantly 

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better performance wise. 
So you do. 

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And the truth is you don't want 
too much wind. 

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There is a point in 100 hurdles 
where too much wind is 

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unfavorable. 
But because Masai is, I want to 

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say like 5-4, it's not quite as 
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know, 5-10 and really cutting 
her steps so. 

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I'm looking at all these 
performances and and yeah, that 

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Miramar race from last year 
where Masai and Tia Jones go 

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12/17 and 12/19. 
It's the only I think hurdles 

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performance in the top ten that 
has more than point. 

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Like, yeah, no one really. 
Every everyone is lower than 

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point .1 or one point O wind 
everyone. 

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Everyone else is super low wind 
readings. 

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So that might be something to 
the hurdles that I don't 

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entirely understand, but there's
smarter people out there. 

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So humble of you to admit. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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Also, I think like Masai looked 
at the clock, I think in those 

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final stages, like coming off 
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these tiny little things where 
it's like if you just powered 

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through the the finish line the 
entire time, maybe that could 

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have been it. 
But hey, I mean it keeps us 

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wanting more. 
The fields are going to be 

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stacked. 
I think come pre classic I 

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believe they have everyone 
running head to head. 

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That's that's where it could 
happen. 

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On the same track where Tobi 
broke the record, do you like if

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meats start putting the women's 
100 hurdles as the last event of

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the day? 
I mean, it's, it's, it's 

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different. 
I mean, I think the meats in 

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China have done it because we're
so used to, oh, men's hundred 

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women's 200 like these marquee 
events. 

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But now that you've got this 
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kind of should spot like that. 
Don't put it like as a second 

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event in a Diamond League 
program when people are barely 

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in the stadium. 
That's fair. 

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I think when it's a premier 
event and you've got a star, you

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should definitely put it towards
the back of the program. 

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Historically, I mean, A2 hour TV
window, with this many events, 

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you got to think about logistics
of getting hurdles on and off 

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the tracks. 
It's why 400 hurdles always 

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starts every meet. 
It has nothing necessarily to 

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do, not every meet, but a lot of
meats. 

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It's just time constraints. 
And so I think though I was 

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surprised to see that the 
women's 100 hurdles finished it 

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off as opposed to the men's. 
But you know what, you you had a

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couple Chinese athletes in 
there. 

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Not that they were super 
competitive, but maybe that's 

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one of the reasons why. 
All right. 

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So just to kind of quickly go 
over these results, like you 

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said, Omenyala only got under 10
in the hundred runs in 994. 

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What did you think of that? 
Is this real? 

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It's may like I'm used to 
Omenyala running, you know, 

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times like this this early and 
then but it's. 

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But it's not in Africa. 
He beat a loaded field and he 

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closed and he celebrated a lot 
of celebration. 

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That's the only part that I was 
surprised by was like how did 

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everyone else let let him get 
that much daylight on him and he

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didn't even have the fastest 
reaction time out of the blocks.

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If if anything I think the 
biggest thing I was looking at 

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in this one was 1. 
The South African dude gift. 

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How do you pronounce his last 
name? 

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I say Leah Talela, and that's 
definitely wrong. 

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Yeah, well, he's still, he's 
been pretty consistent to start 

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off the season either winning or
coming in second. 

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Christian Coleman, somethings 
up. 

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I mean, yeah, he's he finished 
all the way back in 7th place. 

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Kenny not having as good of a 
start to the season as he did 

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last year. 
Solid run by Trayvon who 

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finished third. 
So I don't know, like I wait for

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these guys to head to Europe or 
to, you know. 

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Right. 
What about 8th place? 

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Yeah, to BOGO is like, I think 
how many more of these like 1010

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performances do we see from to 
BOGO before it's sort of like 

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not dude, like focus on the 24 
double instead. 

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Stop playing in the in the 100. 
Like, I know we're three years 

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removed from a medal in in 
Budapest, but I think I'd rather

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see him run the two and the four
more than, you know, 

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performances like this. 
It seems like it's just a 

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training exercise. 
Yeah, and you get paid. 

445
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:04,240
And you get paid. 
I mean, you can't run fours as 

446
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,320
regularly as you're going to run
the 100, but it does seem like 

447
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,280
the future is not in the 100 
anymore. 

448
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,520
He's not even the best dude in 
Botswana in the 100, because 

449
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,320
that belongs to Collen 
Kebinatshipi who now after this 

450
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,400
weekend is holding both the 
world lead in the 100 and the 

451
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:24,080
and the 400. 
He runs 4392 here. 

452
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,440
I now when, when people have 
been floating that status of the

453
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:32,120
first guy to run, you know, or 
hold both of world leads at the 

454
00:26:32,120 --> 00:26:36,480
same time since like the 50s or 
something like that, I, I just 

455
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,360
kind of reminded myself I was 
like, well, but the hundred was 

456
00:26:39,360 --> 00:26:41,440
somewhere in altitude, right? 
It was in Botswana. 

457
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,680
I think so. 
But regardless, when I'm 

458
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,480
watching his races, it's the 
closing speed in the final 

459
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,960
hundred that has been so 
impressive of how he's able to 

460
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,360
keep it together and still 
accelerate in the, you know, 

461
00:26:53,360 --> 00:26:56,760
after 300 meters. 
And so Kevin Shippy took this 

462
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,840
one. 
I mean, top three spots were all

463
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:02,760
Africans. 
Muzal Samakanga, the bronze 

464
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:08,760
medalist from from the Olympics,
Zahi Nene was third all. 

465
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:13,800
Right. 
So what do you think of two 

466
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:19,600
things? 
Nene split 42 six earlier in the

467
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,800
season. 
And this is what we get in the 

468
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,920
first time out. 
So, all right, so let's go a few

469
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:28,720
different things. 42 six was not
inaccurate split. 

470
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:32,360
This was a terrible race. 
He has a terrible start. 

471
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:34,520
Like where? 
Where do we go with here? 

472
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,440
Like yeah, 40. 26 to 44, four 
and coming in 3rd. 

473
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,760
Well, this goes back to like the
Mac fleet theory of like, what's

474
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,840
your second best performance and
like. 

475
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:47,840
I was ready to see after that 
split, the World Relays, it was 

476
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,680
like, all right, here comes 
Nene, like he's about to like 

477
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,400
dominate the 400. 
And it's just a reminder that 

478
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,440
splits are not races. 
But you're not racist in this is

479
00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:00,840
not at 3000 feet, that's true. 
Yeah. 

480
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,360
So, yeah, I mean, I'm interested
to see how it progresses. 

481
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,360
I mean, look, shout out to 
Africa though. 

482
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,400
Yeah, great meet. 
Great meet for the continent. 

483
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,960
And then the other thing I was 
looking at here was from the 

484
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,920
American bias perspective, is 
Rye just beat Mozala. 

485
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,200
Mozala ran well here. 
It's a good sign. 

486
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,680
And when people were like, why 
isn't Rye running at this meet? 

487
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,080
I'm like, I'm, I'm OK with it. 
I'm like, don't show your cards 

488
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,240
till September in Budapest. 
But we actually know they're 

489
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:38,080
going to go head to head at Pre 
Classic. 

490
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,520
That'll be an exciting one where
we finally get to see Kevin at 

491
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,560
Shipby versus Rye Benjamin in 
the flat 400. 

492
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,040
Yeah. 
I mean, I'm still optimistic. 

493
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,040
That's my bold prediction for 
earlier this season. 

494
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:52,880
Is Rye's going to win in 
Budapest? 

495
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,800
Yeah, I feel good about it. 
You still you do too. 

496
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,840
I've never swayed I've I've 
always felt very good about it. 

497
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,200
More performances The 5K Really 
hot performance. 

498
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:12,320
Adisa Juhanu 1257 DNF by Andreas
Almgren Just a tough, tough day 

499
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:16,960
out there. 
Lalo Herrera quietly having a 

500
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,120
really good start to the outdoor
season. 

501
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,520
He was fourth in this 11313 
flat. 

502
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:27,640
He could have easily just stayed
and raced in California. 

503
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,800
Yeah. 
So Demently arguably probably 

504
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,600
could have run just as fast if 
not faster. 

505
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,520
But what he is getting in terms 
of like experience mixing it up 

506
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:44,160
in these final few laps of a 
wound up pace versus these guys,

507
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,760
super valuable. 
Jamal Britt another thirteen O 7

508
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,600
to win, just continuing to equal
that PR 400 hurdles Alison dos 

509
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,520
Santos over Carson Walholm again
he looked good. 

510
00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:04,760
This was Alison looks fantastic 
and he is going out hot with 

511
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:11,720
Carsten and he's strong as hell.
I I look like we forget how 

512
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:16,200
young Alison is, and I think 
he's 25 now. 

513
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,320
He seems like he is. 
Yeah, he turns 26 in June. 

514
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:22,120
Yeah. 
I just think this is some of the

515
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:23,960
best he's ever looked at this 
point in this season. 

516
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,040
And I'm wondering like, if 
you're Carson, how do you 

517
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,560
respond here 'cause now he's 
able to go out as hot and cheese

518
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,280
can finish? 
Well, The funny thing was. 

519
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,360
Coming off of Paris Olympics, I 
think your your thinking was, 

520
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,320
OK, one of these big 3 is going 
to start to fall off. 

521
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,160
And then they all three of them 
held it together last year. 

522
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,720
And if the odds at the very 
beginning of that season, I 

523
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:55,720
remember sort of when, yeah, 
this is at the beginning of last

524
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,680
year before I think your your 
thinking was it likely would be 

525
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,680
Carsten. 
But then he ended up taking 

526
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,720
what, silver in No wait, did he 
even meddle? 

527
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,480
He did right. 
Yeah, he did. 

528
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,160
Yeah, and now it's looking like 
he still. 

529
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,360
Did he finish? 
Yeah, he faded, right? 

530
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,680
He faded pretty hard. 
He did faded. 

531
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:21,360
Yeah, he actually was. 
It feel like edit this don't 

532
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,480
don't reveal that we did not 
immediately know. 

533
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,520
I'm clicking on his profile 
right now and so he'll tell me 

534
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,240
in a second. 
No, he did fade. 

535
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:35,000
Yeah, I know it. 
No medal. 

536
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:41,400
Last year he was fifth. 
Yeah, there were signs, but he 

537
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,560
would just who's on a heater 
throughout the whole entire 

538
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,240
regular season. 
I think he ended up trying to 

539
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:50,040
run Rye's race at in Tokyo. 
And because Rye was also clearly

540
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:53,640
the favorite there. 
And now he's just in this 

541
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,040
pattern where it's like he's got
it. 

542
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,800
I think people have figured out 
how to beat War Home and now War

543
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,760
Home is trying to do the reverse
to the likes of Dos Santos and 

544
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,520
Rye when if he eventually comes 
back to this event. 

545
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:11,320
I thought the 300 hurdle race 
was very surprising. 

546
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,360
Of just like. 
I just thought Carson would just

547
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,720
definitely beat everyone in 300 
hurdles and look, he's 30. 

548
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,800
That's not old. 
It's not young. 

549
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:29,280
But again, like Alison is now in
those peak years he so we'll 

550
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,080
see. 
I mean, I'm still waiting on 

551
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,280
like, who's next? 
Like, who's going to join these 

552
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,600
guys? 
And well, it was Caleb, Deanie. 

553
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,360
Caleb will go all out until he 
gets it right, like. 

554
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,440
And this one is starting to get 
it right because it his PB 

555
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:50,560
before this was from 2024 where 
he ran at at NCAA 4723 and then 

556
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,560
this is his second best 
performance of his career 4775 

557
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,240
for his opener so. 
I actually love, like, I think 

558
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,840
from a fan's perspective, 
rooting for Caleb is so fun 

559
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,280
because it's just like, dude, 
this guy's just going to keep 

560
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,880
going as hard as he can until he
can make it all the way around, 

561
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,520
which is Karsten's game. 
That's the game. 

562
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,400
He created that and it's like 
every now and then Caleb could 

563
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,440
just add one more hurdle and 
before you know it, he's going 

564
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,840
to have 10 hurdles and he's 
going to be running in the 46 is

565
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,520
consistently. 
So yeah, maybe it's him. 

566
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:28,520
I also have thought it was maybe
Lima, but he didn't have it 

567
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,200
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But long term. 

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624
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625
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we had last week. 
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626
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,800
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627
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628
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improving on what they did the 
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629
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:19,160
But again, I, I, I, we saw this 
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630
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:23,320
Abby Caldwell with a huge 
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631
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Highland. 
Emily Mackay sneakily and 

632
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,000
quietly putting together a 
really strong season, now 

633
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,280
another 358 for her and getting 
stacking some Diamond League 

634
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,000
experience beating Dorkasi Boy 
and Jess Hall. 

635
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,680
But the interesting thing is how
Abby Caldwell is now really 

636
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,280
complicating things for 
Athletics Australia when it 

637
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:46,000
comes to the selection process 
for the the Commonwealth Games 

638
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:50,080
because the Australian champ, 
Claudia Hollingsworth faded all 

639
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,240
the way back to 13th place in 
four O 6. 

640
00:37:52,240 --> 00:37:54,600
And I think this is back-to-back
rough races for her. 

641
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,280
I don't know how much the 
selectors are. 

642
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,320
It was well, Hollingsworth has 
her spot. 

643
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:03,080
So it's like the these other 
spots that are up for grabs. 

644
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,960
Jess Hall, world championship 
and Olympic medalist. 

645
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,280
You can't leave that at home. 
So if you're a Lyndon Hall, 

646
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,840
Sarah Billings, it's it's it's 
really hard to make the case for

647
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:18,240
them to make this team right now
when Abby Caldwell is now either

648
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,320
one or finished second at the 
the Diamond League. 

649
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:24,240
Look this it can change 
overnight though. 

650
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:30,400
All it takes is 1 race one big 
performance right before the the

651
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:34,800
decisions need to be made. 
But Caldwell ran great birthday 

652
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:42,040
just running like just didn't 
care where anyone else was. 

653
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:45,840
Didn't mind that no one came 
with her just didn't time it 

654
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,400
well. 
Curious to know did she train 

655
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,320
with gudolph? 
Because this seemed like a real 

656
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:55,360
gudolph like race the well. 
It was a set back from the 

657
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,320
previous week. 
The previous week she ran a 

658
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:02,240
great race and it was like, OK, 
did she leave coach Eric Jenkins

659
00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:06,680
from one week to the next and is
now now back to the Gudolph the 

660
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:12,680
Guy school of tactics. 
But no, I mean, this this year 

661
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,200
so far appears to be a little 
bit of a correction with Burka 

662
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:19,480
Highland and Siga Deguma having 
a good start to the 1500 season,

663
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,080
where like Ethiopia has kind of 
aside from good OPS, the guy 

664
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:28,240
kind of flailed a little bit. 
Now they're off to a good start 

665
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:31,600
so far this season. 
And then yeah, I mean, so this 

666
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,120
was a similar race, less women 
under, you know, 4 minutes than 

667
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:40,120
the previous week, but another 
good one. 3K steeple, Pereche 

668
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:44,560
Mutai, 851 world lead over 
Winfred, Yavi and Feitrich. 

669
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,040
Like those 3 go head to head 
every single time. 

670
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,520
The steeplechase is not in the 
World Ultimate champs. 

671
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:56,920
I really thought that this world
record is if these three keep 

672
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:02,520
racing, Yeah, it's got to go. 
Yeah, at some point and once 

673
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:06,240
again, I guess everyone mark 
their calendars, I guess for you

674
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:10,720
know, July 4th or 5th, 3rd and 
4th because pre Classic is 

675
00:40:10,720 --> 00:40:13,720
stacking all these these 
performances with an extra month

676
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,800
of training and a faster track. 
That's maybe where we could see 

677
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,280
it go. 
I think that's where, yeah, it 

678
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,440
was set before I think 2021, I 
think I thought Yavi. 

679
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,120
Looked great too, and she had 
the kick. 

680
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:31,520
But that last hurdle, just, it 
just lost all momentum. 

681
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:36,760
And so, you know, if you realize
that, hey, my last hurdle isn't 

682
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:40,160
quite as good as Chemutize, 
maybe next time out I'm going to

683
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,520
push from further out. 
And that's how we get it. 

684
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:47,320
Yeah, They, they really are 
making low eight 50s look like 

685
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,760
child's play. 
They just, it's nothing for them

686
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,880
anymore. 
I guess there might be, I don't 

687
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,040
even know if there's that much 
prize money here for the 

688
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,800
Americans to collect. 
But you wonder if, like, anyone 

689
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,680
regrets making the trip all the 
way out to China for these two 

690
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,400
races and not running anything 
really all that earth 

691
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,640
shattering. 
And then, you know, you had an 

692
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,560
option to race in LA and it 
ended up being a really, really 

693
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,480
good steeplechase. 
But for some, I guess, like, 

694
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,640
yeah, the taking the the Diamond
League experience against 

695
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,640
international competition is 
preferred, but the Americans 

696
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,280
just did not have a good women's
steeplechase tour out in in 

697
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:26,080
China. 
Yeah, I mean, it's a long way to

698
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,000
go, but at least get a couple of
races in. 

699
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,880
I mean, Lexi Holiday ran solid, 
you know, 914. 

700
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,360
But it's not and it's, it's, 
again, it's the experience. 

701
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,280
And I feel like steeple is one 
of those races where the 

702
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:44,680
experience is extra valuable, 
more so than in a lane race. 

703
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,720
The final performance out of 
Xiamen to highlight is probably 

704
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:54,760
Yan Ziyi in the javelin rented 
throwing 7174 on her 18th 

705
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,200
birthday. 
So that means like now she's 

706
00:41:56,200 --> 00:42:01,520
allowed to compete in the 
javelin at the top level. 

707
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,400
So this is the Chinese thrower 
who I think over the last couple

708
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,800
years, I've always, you know, 
prodded at Paul being like, so 

709
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,160
you're telling me that, like, 
the best javelin thrower isn't 

710
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,400
even at this meet because 
there's a stupid rule that says,

711
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,880
like, unless you're 18 or or 
older, you can't throw the 

712
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,680
javelin at the World 
Championships. 

713
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:23,840
And so now get used to seeing 
Yan Ziyi at winning a ton 

714
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,440
because I think this is number 
two all time. 

715
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,880
And so, yeah, I think as soon as
this thing happened, Paul put 

716
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:35,120
together like a crazy, like a 
quick reaction video up on his 

717
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,120
Instagram. 
So you can check that out on the

718
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,080
Polly Throws Instagram. 
And I'm sure he'll have more to 

719
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,720
talk about on the throws on the 
Polythro show. 

720
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,760
So if you want more throws 
coverage, head on over and 

721
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:50,880
listen to to his pod. 
All right, let's get to LA. 

722
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:54,960
The biggest story out of this 
one, I feel like was a very 

723
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,360
entertaining women's 5K with 
Parker Valby returning to the 

724
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,400
outdoor track. 
First time in 19 months, winning

725
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:10,480
the Track Fest 5K in 1449. 
Personal best with what less 

726
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:17,320
than AK to go she was up at the 
front and sold it brought it 

727
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,320
home every single I think Paul 
Hoff Mahoney tweeted out just 

728
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,920
sort of that her lap splits were
all somewhere between 70 and and

729
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,760
71. 
So just a very controlled time 

730
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,760
trial of sorts to and and yet 
just kind of check the box and 

731
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,520
one in pretty dominant fashion 
over Lauren Ryan. 

732
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:44,400
So it's like one great sign that
she's back 2IN better form than 

733
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:48,080
she was when she made the 
Olympic team in 2024. 

734
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,760
Form appears to have improved a 
bit looking I think a bit more, 

735
00:43:53,720 --> 00:43:58,360
I guess like smoother is what 
what I would say and less just 

736
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:04,240
sort of stiff than the form that
we've seen in the past, more 

737
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:07,720
relaxed, cleaner stride 
basically is I think what the 

738
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:14,880
the breakdown would be on that. 
And yeah, I mean 1449 is a 

739
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,560
really good time. 
Obviously. 

740
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,480
I think like, she probably can 
go faster with some stronger 

741
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:24,400
competition people to chase in 
that last sort of stage of the 

742
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,960
race. 
And it sets things up obviously 

743
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:31,120
for if she chooses to run the 5K
at the US Championships, that's 

744
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:34,440
where we'll probably see the 
first showdown with someone like

745
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:37,520
Jane Heddigren if she chooses to
go beyond the NCAA season. 

746
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,360
But I was thinking more about 
it. 

747
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:43,080
I was like, that'll be so, so 
interesting because it's not you

748
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:46,120
don't think of either two of one
of those two as like kickers. 

749
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:48,520
They just, you know, can 
sometimes just get to the front 

750
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,800
of the race and, you know, run 
the wheels out of their 

751
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,240
competition and then hold on in 
the when when it gets tough. 

752
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,960
And so when the two of those 
athletes go head to head, I'm 

753
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,280
curious like who will try to to 
to make the race. 

754
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,360
And so as a as a result, they 
might end up both pushing each 

755
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,000
other to to a fast time because 
they'll be side by side. 

756
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,840
But All in all, if for a 
comeback race after 19 months, 

757
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,920
this was, this was a good sign I
think. 

758
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,560
Yeah, I mean, it was also just a
a cool moment after. 

759
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,200
I mean, as soon as she crossed 
the finish line, she ran over 

760
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:26,200
and gave Emma a big hug, who 
obviously had an exciting 

761
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,560
comeback back on the track for 
the first time in what was it, 2

762
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,720
years for her? 
And so also nice to just 

763
00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:37,000
actually get the confirmation 
that she's being coached by Joe 

764
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,640
now. 
Yeah, which we've known for a 

765
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:40,240
while. 
We've. 

766
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:44,720
Known, but now, you know, it's 
like in in track, we don't have 

767
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:49,320
the same cadence of press as 
other sports and so sometimes we

768
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,800
get long gaps without having the
opportunity to get confirmation 

769
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,760
and we're just reading the 
reading into Instagram very 

770
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:00,440
carefully to deduct what's 
happening. 

771
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,800
But she she looked great. 
She looked very comfortable nice

772
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:11,880
to I mean she has raced you 
know, she ran that, but she ran 

773
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,640
USATF cross. 
So it's not like she hasn't 

774
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:20,000
raced at all, but she raced not 
great, not to the standard that 

775
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,400
we would come to expect from 
Parker to. 

776
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,280
So to see her come out and 
actually look like Parker is 

777
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:28,080
exciting. 
And it does just feel like that 

778
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:34,520
5K is like looking for young 
blood to like come up like it. 

779
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:35,800
It. 
It is just I mean, you're 

780
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:40,760
mentioning Jane and Parker, like
there are other great women in 

781
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,040
the mix. 
But it does feel like we're like

782
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:48,520
ready to change guards sort of 
as maybe others continue 

783
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:52,640
consider the roads. 
I mean we see Chris is now 

784
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,840
testing out the roads more like 
how much longer will we see here

785
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,000
in USA 5KS? 
Well, this is, I think a point 

786
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:03,520
that I made a month or two back 
that it's like now this is an 

787
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,080
even better sign, I think for 
for Parker come the 10K where 

788
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,200
it's sort of like, all right, 
your fitness is there in the 5K,

789
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,960
but I think maybe the event that
you competed at the Olympics and

790
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,840
made the Olympic team on was the
10K. 

791
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:21,120
And when we're assessing the US 
scene, like some of the people 

792
00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:23,600
of the Wayne Collaty's, the 
Krisha Schweitzer's may be 

793
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,320
moving up to, I mean, Wayne is 
going to, I think move up to the

794
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,440
full on marathon. 
So there's that spot. 

795
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,160
Taylor Rowe I could see running 
a marathon and come this fall. 

796
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:40,440
And yeah, I mean, the Shelby 
Houlihan 10K experiment went OK.

797
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,280
But like you said, I guess like 
we're kind of if if you're 

798
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,040
Parker, she's in a great spot to
just hold the line there at the 

799
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,960
in the 10K and you've got 
yourself a spot there. 

800
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:55,480
And now I think this throws her 
back into just sort of the 5K 

801
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,800
conversation for a spot on the 
5K team potentially next year. 

802
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,720
So, yeah, I mean, it's, it's 
it's an event that I guess for 

803
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:07,520
the US, we've grown accustomed 
to seeing and is, you know, 

804
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,160
Elise Cranny, this is the event 
we've been used to just seeing 

805
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,960
Elise Cranny and Chris Schweizer
occupy 2 of three spots on for 

806
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,960
the last, you know, six years or
so. 

807
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:21,480
And now it's sort of, is that 
combo going to be Jane and 

808
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,280
Parker for the next couple of 
years? 

809
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:27,520
And that's it, That's it. 
It's a good squad. 

810
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,480
The question is just sort of 
like, now how do you take the 

811
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,840
next step up from here, right? 
One, it's like, stay healthy. 

812
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:41,280
And then two, can we find a 1430
performance, like a race to get 

813
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:42,960
into, to run somewhere in that 
time? 

814
00:48:43,240 --> 00:48:47,760
Because then that starts to get 
you into the mindset of like, 

815
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,360
OK, I could compete at these 
World Championships a little bit

816
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,440
better. 
Last year's worlds, when you 

817
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:58,200
look at the results, I mean, and
you see Shelby finished fourth 

818
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:01,680
and Josette I think was was 6. 
But it was such a slow race. 

819
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:07,400
And so if you can get into that 
1430 fitness, maybe even faster,

820
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:11,360
We saw Josette run 1420s last 
year in Rome. 

821
00:49:11,720 --> 00:49:16,280
You start to be more of a factor
come the international scene. 

822
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:22,520
And I think that's the next part
of the experiment for Joe to 

823
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:25,120
figure out with Parker. 
And how do you do that off of, 

824
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:30,960
you know, the the cross training
methods and I mean, altitude is 

825
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,720
clearly working. 
So and that. 

826
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,640
Emma is always, you know, into 
cross training. 

827
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,840
So it actually fits in, is 
probably already part of the 

828
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:38,680
program. 
It's not like. 

829
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:40,480
This yeah, I guess that was 
gonna be my question is just 

830
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,080
sort of like what do you make of
just sort of like the the the 

831
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:46,480
partnership like it all, it 
makes sense. 

832
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:48,760
Oh, I think it makes a ton of 
sense. 

833
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,640
I think you obviously have a 
mentor and someone who Parker's 

834
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:57,240
always looked up to, to bounce 
ideas off of. 

835
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:04,200
And then, you know, her success 
that she had at Florida was it 

836
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:06,720
was a very individualized 
situation. 

837
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:08,120
And now you got training 
partners. 

838
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,160
And I don't know, you know, the 
insurance and outs of the the 

839
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,600
New Balance Boston situation, 
but it was a competitive 

840
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,720
environment in a way that, you 
know, she probably didn't have 

841
00:50:18,720 --> 00:50:20,560
in Florida. 
Now she's in a situation where 

842
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,160
she can get a lot of attention 
and change things. 

843
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,080
And when you're an injury prone 
athlete, like you need to be 

844
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,960
able to make adjustments 
quickly. 

845
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,520
You need to, Hey, this doesn't 
feel good on the warm up. 

846
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:35,160
Like I need to take the day and 
or we have to adjust the workout

847
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,200
or this or that. 
And sometimes in big team 

848
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,760
environments that's doesn't 
always work the same way. 

849
00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:43,880
And so it seems like it's a good
situation. 

850
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:50,400
And but Chris, you, you just 
mentioned two names, Shelby, who

851
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,800
ran the 1500 in LA middle of the
pack and then Josette we haven't

852
00:50:55,800 --> 00:51:01,720
seen yet this entire year. 
So I guess First off, do we know

853
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:05,720
when Josette is opening up and 
then or if she's healthy and 

854
00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:10,120
then if not then, then we really
do have an opening in the 5K 

855
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,120
potentially? 
Yeah, but then at the same time,

856
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:20,080
it's the 5K this year is such a 
tricky one for the for like 

857
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:24,440
Americans to throw all their 
eggs into because if we think 

858
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:26,720
about the World Ultimate 
Championships, it's going to be 

859
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:30,520
pretty Kenyan and Ethiopian and 
Nadia Vadakladi dominated. 

860
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,000
That's a great point. 
So it's that's why we probably 

861
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,920
won't see Parker run the 10. 
K 1449 is not breaking in even 

862
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,720
to world ultimate like not even 
close. 

863
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:44,840
So, so it's you just do what you
have to do that makes sense for 

864
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:48,920
your progression and health and 
leading into 2027. 

865
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,120
Yeah, and it's a it's a long 
ways away. 

866
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:57,160
So that's why sometimes it's 
like when people are always like

867
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,800
this person hasn't raced in so 
long going into this year or 

868
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,920
they haven't even opened up yet,
like what the hell is up? 

869
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,400
And it's like, it's a it is a 
weird year. 

870
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:11,920
Like we're not every event I 
feel like has to have as sharp 

871
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,160
of a focus and you don't have to
be racing like 10 times before 

872
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:19,800
May. 
So yeah, for if you're a 5K10K 

873
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,840
specialist in the United States,
I think at this point it's 

874
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:27,040
sharpen that speed because we 
don't know, I guess what the 10K

875
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:29,240
standard is going to be or when 
that window opens up. 

876
00:52:29,240 --> 00:52:32,280
But it's going to be quick and 
you got to be ready to run fast.

877
00:52:32,720 --> 00:52:34,600
Yeah, and then you have to 
listen to the Sidious Manic 

878
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,880
podcast, figure out if the who's
who's in. 

879
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,520
All right. 
Next event I wanted to talk to 

880
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,560
you about, I guess from 
Trackfest. 

881
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:48,440
Well, I'm just looking at the 
results, Max Thomas with a 10/12

882
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,720
in the 100. 
But then I do you see the the 

883
00:52:50,720 --> 00:52:52,720
clip of him crossing the finish 
line, It looked like he twisted 

884
00:52:52,720 --> 00:52:55,040
his ankle. 
So I'm like hoping that he's OK 

885
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,080
the whole. 
Thing these 100 meter finish 

886
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:59,360
lines. 
Yeah. 

887
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:05,000
We need Yeah, you should just 
run into the pool. 400 Mike 

888
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,000
Norman, He's back. 4494. 
Yeah, it's. 

889
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:11,760
Exciting to see. 
Men's 800 real quick because 

890
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,040
this had this had like one of 
the most stacked fields of the. 

891
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:17,920
I couldn't believe how stacked 
this race was. 

892
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,680
This is. 
Diamond League caliber when? 

893
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,160
You this seemed like we needed 
two heats, almost like how 

894
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:28,440
crowded it was with studs. 
Yeah, so you had world champions

895
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,360
and Josh Kerr, Jake Whiteman, 
Donovan Brazier. 

896
00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:34,800
You had American record holder 
Bryce Hoppel in it. 

897
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,040
And in the end it's Brandon 
Miller who steals the show and 

898
00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:43,200
runs 14426. 
He's this is now, I guess, 

899
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,240
back-to-back really solid 
performances. 

900
00:53:45,240 --> 00:53:48,400
I think what Brandon did in 
China that didn't necessarily 

901
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,320
take in that race that Mark 
English won was he was right 

902
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:56,080
behind the pacemaker and really 
kind of threw himself into the 

903
00:53:56,080 --> 00:54:01,040
mix and in this one he bided his
time a little bit more and came 

904
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:03,280
away with the victory. 
Great positioning in this one 

905
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:06,560
and just barely beats out 
Abraham Alvarado. 

906
00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:10,600
Josh Kerr in 3rd with a personal
best of 14460. 

907
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,480
So yeah. 
So overall, I think the 

908
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,320
takeaways from this one, Brandon
Miller, he's really sharp, 

909
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,120
especially after racing in 
China. 

910
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:23,320
And the second is Josh finishing
in 144 six. 

911
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:28,720
That's a personal best for him. 
He is broke 1:45 for the first 

912
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:33,280
time. 
So he's 8 weeks away from his 

913
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,640
mile world record attempt in 
London. 

914
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:42,200
What is this 144 signal to you, 
I guess of where he's at? 

915
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,680
Because when I think of like 
where you need to be in 800 

916
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:49,280
fitness come the mile, I was 
trying to think of like, oh, 

917
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,960
Sentro, right. 
When Sentro ran 349, I think it 

918
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:57,200
was his outdoor mile PB. 
Like he's a 144 guy as well. 

919
00:54:57,760 --> 00:54:59,720
And people kind of forget that. 
But I don't think that was not 

920
00:54:59,720 --> 00:55:02,920
all in the same season. 
So where do you think Josh is 

921
00:55:02,920 --> 00:55:06,160
coming at this mile from? 
And where does this performance 

922
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:09,440
signal that that he's at? 
I mean, I think it signals 

923
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,160
amazing things right now, 8 
weeks out, you are deep in 

924
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:18,160
training, right? 
Like this is the the meat of 

925
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:22,200
your block. 
And for a guy who is coming off 

926
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:26,600
of an indoor season that was 
focused on the 3K2 mile that he 

927
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:32,000
did very well in, to be able to,
to jump down in distance and run

928
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:35,240
a really competitive race, it's 
a great sign. 

929
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:40,400
I mean, it's not like he hasn't 
run 8 hundreds before. 

930
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:44,720
He's run 8 hundreds. 
And so the fact that this is now

931
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:50,280
APB as well, like it's all going
to come down to the London 

932
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:54,320
weather is my prediction. 
Because I do think I think he'll

933
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,800
be fit enough. 
He works his way through the 

934
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:58,800
field. 
He was running in lane two or 

935
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,960
three for a lot of it. 
Yeah, I mean, he navigated it 

936
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:05,400
well and he looked really 
strong. 

937
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:13,440
It was a great race also to 
shout out Abe Alvarado, that's 

938
00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,080
he got a lot of good guys behind
him. 

939
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:19,400
He's often called in to be the 
rabbit. 

940
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,080
I feel like we see him at the 
front of a lot of races, but 

941
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,560
good reminder that he's actually
quite the 800 runner himself. 

942
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,520
And then the other exciting 
performance, I thought what I 

943
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,840
mean as you go down the list, 
it's actually a lot of good 

944
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,720
things. 
Jake Whiteman, you know, he we 

945
00:56:34,720 --> 00:56:38,800
saw him indoors that two Ki 
think we all expected him to be 

946
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,680
maybe a little bit more 
competitive with Hobbs and Grant

947
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:45,240
at that race. 
And then this is his first 

948
00:56:45,240 --> 00:56:49,760
outdoor performance. 
So, you know, 144 is a great 

949
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,560
sign. 
And then Bryce Hopple didn't 

950
00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,480
have like the best indoor 
season. 

951
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,280
And you know, it looks like the 
momentum's coming. 

952
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,160
So anytime Donovan Brazier is 
healthy, that's a great sign. 

953
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,040
If Brooks can just get a fourth 
guy here, they're going to have 

954
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,280
one hell of a four. 
But because Zay ran solid, So 

955
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:12,880
yeah, it was it was just a 
fantastic race. 

956
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:14,080
It was really pumped to watch 
it. 

957
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:17,280
I think the the thing that, you 
know, all this deep talent in 

958
00:57:17,280 --> 00:57:21,880
that, you know, fast section 
kind of obscures is a result 

959
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:27,080
that I think maybe similarly to 
Josh, we should note and pay a 

960
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,880
little bit more attention to is 
in heat 2 Ethan Strand 145. 

961
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:38,200
That PB also I think a good sign
of where he's at because I mean 

962
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:46,120
1459079 would have got him 8th 
in in this one faster than 

963
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:49,680
Festus Lagat. 
Yeah. 

964
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:53,920
I mean, another person just sort
of this, I mean, the fact that 

965
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,520
you have multiple heats at this 
meet, even in heat 3 grand 

966
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:01,840
blanks 149 PB for him. 
And he's, I think getting ready 

967
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:07,800
for some of those Diamond League
5 KS, solid, solid, solid race. 

968
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,720
But yeah, don't sleep on Ethan 
Strand. 

969
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:12,600
And we we, we, we talked him up 
big time. 

970
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,640
I think come right before the 
mill Rose games. 

971
00:58:15,640 --> 00:58:18,320
And so when I see a performance 
like this, I think I'm like, all

972
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:22,520
right, we weren't like we, we 
just bought stock early as 

973
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,760
anything. 
Well, you know, I think this 

974
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:35,560
performance and a lot of both 
heats is we kind of like obsess 

975
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:41,240
over how fast milers or 3K guys 
have run in the 800. 

976
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,040
But the truth is, is like rarely
are you ever given an 

977
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:49,920
opportunity to like really let 
it RIP and even got in a good 

978
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,440
race. 
It's like, you know what? 

979
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:57,560
I it's not, I'm not surprised he
can run 145 it, but it's also, I

980
00:58:57,560 --> 00:59:02,440
think a lot of really good guys 
can run 1:45 that just will 

981
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,280
never get the opportunity. 
Yeah. 

982
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:06,240
This is exactly what we were 
having this, we were having this

983
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,640
conversation a year ago when we 
were seeing these very similar 

984
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,480
results popping up around Cole 
and Yarid and they were running 

985
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:17,520
140 fives. 
So yeah, and and we look at just

986
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:20,440
sort of like the trajectory of 
how their season went much later

987
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:21,840
on. 
Good sign. 

988
00:59:22,920 --> 00:59:25,800
Look, we've been very positive 
here for the last 5 minutes 

989
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,880
about all these guys so that I I
feel like I'm allowed to give 

990
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,880
one hotter take. 
One 44145 just isn't good 

991
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,960
anymore. 
True. 

992
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,360
Yeah, like it's just when the 
best are running 141. 

993
00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,600
Yeah, it's just, I mean, it's 
good, but like everyone should 

994
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:44,720
be able to do it. 
If you're good enough that we're

995
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,160
talking about you on this 
podcast, then you should be able

996
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:52,120
to run one 44145 because 
everyone's running 141 upfront. 

997
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,480
So it's a good time and it sets 
up well. 

998
00:59:55,480 --> 01:00:01,120
It's good for the middle of May 
you know it's not going to it's 

999
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,520
not enough for. 
I thought you were going to take

1000
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:05,560
this in a different direction 
and just say like, oh, like 

1001
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,400
Hobbs finishing ninth and 146 
was not good. 

1002
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:12,480
But knowing him, like, he's 
probably like a big training 

1003
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:13,560
block. 
I don't know. 

1004
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:17,640
I didn't ask him. 
Maybe it's like the 800 for 

1005
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:22,040
milers is is kind of like you 
can only win. 

1006
01:00:22,920 --> 01:00:26,840
I don't like if someone, if 
Hobbs ran 149, I wouldn't think 

1007
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,720
anything of it. 
I mean, go back to Centro, like,

1008
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:31,520
Oh yeah, he ran 144. 
It's like you know how many 

1009
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,840
times he ran 149? 
Like it's just it's kind of like

1010
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,840
rough and a half marathon. 
It's like it doesn't mean 

1011
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,040
anything about how he's going to
do in a marathon. 

1012
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:46,160
It's just they're just milers 
are in a heavy training block 

1013
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:50,080
and there's of race A2 hour 
flight away. 

1014
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:54,160
Like, yeah, I'll just go do it 
and I'll do a workout after and 

1015
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:59,800
it's just part of the cycle. 
I I mean, I pretty certain I I 

1016
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,400
think I shared this with you. 
It might even be on Strava. 

1017
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:07,720
But didn't Hobbes like run like 
a in 145 indoors in practice? 

1018
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:13,160
I didn't see this. 
I time is fine. 

1019
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:18,160
I think he, I think he like ran 
a huge negative split 1:45 at 

1020
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:23,160
some point indoors just in I 
think in like Sedona or in 

1021
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:27,040
Arizona somewhere. 
But like, I guess my point is 

1022
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,800
it's like rather than doing that
in practice, you can just go to 

1023
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:32,080
a race and do it and like go 
through the motions. 

1024
01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:37,080
And so again, like it just 
doesn't mean you can only gain. 

1025
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:42,160
And a lot of guys ran well. 
At the end of the day, it's 

1026
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:46,960
setting everyone up well, but 
everyone should be able to run 

1027
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:50,120
Wolf 44145. 
Perfect transition then. 

1028
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,600
So let's take this conversation 
in the opposite direction. 

1029
01:01:52,800 --> 01:01:55,520
And 800 guy running the 15. 
Everyone should be able to run 

1030
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,280
345. 
Exactly. 

1031
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:01,560
So Cooper Lichenhaus, 17 years 
old, runs his first ever 1500 at

1032
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:05,960
Trackfest, went at hard 4396 
through 300. 

1033
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,120
Then what? 
Why do you keep saying it's 

1034
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,080
hard? 
Hard for me. 

1035
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,040
Yeah, 43, that's like exactly if
you're here on 345 one, that's 

1036
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:24,720
like pace more or less. 6032 for
lap 26170 for lap three, closing

1037
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:29,080
5981, and that's how you run a 
345 ninth place in the sea heat.

1038
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,600
And so I feel like there's 
people rushing to like, all 

1039
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:39,920
right, he's not a 1500 guy. 
He's more of a 408 hundred guy. 

1040
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:42,320
I don't really think that this 
performance tells us a whole lot

1041
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,440
other than like the kid opened 
up his season. 

1042
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:49,720
And when you zoom out, OK, now 
this is we don't tend to do this

1043
01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:52,840
a ton of times because like once
you sign your name on the 

1044
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,080
contract and you're a 
professional athlete, we want to

1045
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,800
hold you to just sort of the 
professional standards. 

1046
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:01,680
But you got to remember that 
like this probably puts him, I 

1047
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:03,840
think what he's the top high 
school kid, I think in the 

1048
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,840
country if he were to run this 
to him and was in a high school 

1049
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:11,280
uniform. 
So yeah, he's a 17 year old, 8 

1050
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:13,880
under meter specialist moving up
for the first time. 

1051
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,680
And it was APR for him. 
He's faster than his brother 

1052
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,440
now. 
So he's got that those bragging 

1053
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:25,680
rights, but I, I think I texted 
his coach Chris Capo after last 

1054
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:28,800
week's podcast because Preet 
said that like, oh, it looks 

1055
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,560
like Cooper scratch. 
But what turned out happening 

1056
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,080
was Cooper was not in the top 
heat. 

1057
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:37,600
He was in the C heat and he was 
like, no, he's still running. 

1058
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:40,240
And I was like, and then I 
scrolled and looked and found 

1059
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:41,400
it. 
Then he was like, and if there 

1060
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,360
was AD heat, we probably would 
have gone for that. 

1061
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,520
So it's like, I think this is 
just to kind of get the wheels 

1062
01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:50,080
going for the outdoor season. 
So I don't think there's enough 

1063
01:03:50,080 --> 01:03:54,720
to really pigeonhole him into, 
Oh no, he's actually just a 408 

1064
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:58,080
hundred guy, not a 815. 
Like our hopes of the American 

1065
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:00,400
sepco are gone. 
Like it's too early to make that

1066
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:02,120
call. 
He's a, he's an 800 runner. 

1067
01:04:02,120 --> 01:04:04,480
I mean, what's David Radisha's 
1500 best? 

1068
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:06,160
Doesn't exist. 
Doesn't exist. 

1069
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,440
What's Wilson Keep Peters Mile 
time 359. 

1070
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:11,120
It's just like, really? 
Yeah. 

1071
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,600
It's just like, whatever. 
It doesn't matter. 

1072
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:19,960
It's just it's who cares? 
Again, like you can only gain 

1073
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,120
something here. 
Like if it had he run 3:30. 

1074
01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:24,320
But you know what? 
He you can only gain something 

1075
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:26,600
here. 
But to what point? 

1076
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,560
Like if he would have run 335, 
does that change your perception

1077
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:34,400
of what event he should be in? 
Is he suddenly a better 800m 

1078
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:37,840
runner to you? 
Like it means nothing so. 

1079
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:42,000
Well, so then then, OK, then if 
we remove the high school label 

1080
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,080
off of him and then hold them to
sort of the professional 

1081
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:45,960
standards, it's like, so then 
what's the difference between us

1082
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,520
getting super excited over 
Emmanuel Bignoni versus when 

1083
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,440
when he runs 335I think it's 
just the fact that he beats 

1084
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,920
really good guys. 
In Oh yeah, 100%. 

1085
01:04:54,920 --> 01:05:00,520
And there's an A strong argument
to make when Yoni is in many 

1086
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:06,120
ways ruin the 1500 because he's 
beaten all of the best 1500 

1087
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:10,800
guys. 
And so there is an argument to 

1088
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:15,840
be made that whoever in theory 
wins any 1500 ever, you're not 

1089
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,680
the best when Yoni's the best. 
That's that's the problem. 

1090
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:23,240
Back to your theory of like we 
should have a title belt and he 

1091
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,800
would just hold on to. 
Yeah, it'd be like, yeah, I 

1092
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:31,040
don't want to race, but I know I
think the the difference is, is 

1093
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:36,400
that when Yoni it's going to be 
metal contending in the 1500, 

1094
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,920
whatever he decides. 
It's just so you can't wait too 

1095
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:41,800
long. 
Like this is your, this is your 

1096
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:46,240
AJ Wilson belief of like how you
held the same exact belief over 

1097
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:50,880
her, her 1500 meter potential 
that we never got to to see. 

1098
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:54,320
Hey, it's don't, don't say 
never. 

1099
01:05:55,360 --> 01:06:01,520
Yeah, still time, but yeah. 
And then look in the the 1500 in

1100
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:09,560
those other sections, you know, 
we saw a lot of 330 threes it 

1101
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:11,880
was. 
Ciotti beat Nathan Greene and 

1102
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,000
Park Carlisle, I mean. 
He's a food canal, Sir. 

1103
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:21,520
We had 4330 threes. 
I I feel like Ciotti is often 

1104
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:27,200
losing, like running really well
and losing, if that's fair to 

1105
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:30,640
say. 
And he's been running great the 

1106
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:35,920
last few years and I just am 
pumped to see him win and like 

1107
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:38,280
let's establish that habit of 
winning races. 

1108
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:44,880
So really good performance for 
him and beating a fantastic 

1109
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,000
field. 
Going down the line though, it's

1110
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:51,280
just always fun to see like 
Blanks and Nico running a 1500. 

1111
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:54,800
I mean, Nico at this point, 
we've seen what he can do, but 

1112
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,360
it's still always fun to see how
they mix it up at the 1500 guys.

1113
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,640
All right, because we're a 
little tighter on time and it's 

1114
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,880
Memorial Day and you got to get 
back to your family quick wrap, 

1115
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:13,040
have some Samuel 1257 PB and CA 
outdoor record in the 5K kind of

1116
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,680
expected. 
I think Golvier Singh, the dude,

1117
01:07:16,680 --> 01:07:19,520
the day this dude breaks 13 
minutes like that, that we got 

1118
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:23,720
to get that graphic up because 
and and hit the collab tag with 

1119
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,760
like India Athletics because 
they'll be going nuts for that. 

1120
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:31,400
So he was second and then yeah, 
solid around. 

1121
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:36,360
Drew Hunter was fourth, thirteen
O 5 steeplechase. 

1122
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,680
We had Parker Stokes kind of 
stunned the whole field, which 

1123
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:42,360
included Dan Mihalski, Kenneth 
Rooks, Duncan Hamilton. 

1124
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:45,000
Those guys were further back. 
A little bit of a head scratcher

1125
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:49,200
of a race. 
Then if we shift gears over to 

1126
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:53,920
the women's side, Tamara Davis 
over Kemba Nelson in the 111 O 

1127
01:07:53,920 --> 01:07:57,840
8. 
Bailey Lear in the 400-5141, 

1128
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,960
Rosheen Willis 158. 
Great. 

1129
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:04,400
Up the outdoor season. 
Great, you know, personal best. 

1130
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:09,080
The training under coach Mark 
Hoogan seems to be working. 

1131
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,800
They just got out of a Flagstaff
training block, so that's a good

1132
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:17,399
sign of things. 1500 Riley 
Chamberlain took this one over 

1133
01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:21,840
Ellie Baker, four O 4. 
Curious, I guess, what her next 

1134
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:23,319
move is going to be when it 
comes. 

1135
01:08:23,359 --> 01:08:25,720
I think what, she's out of 
eligibility already. 

1136
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:27,920
She was running in like a 
unattached kid or something like

1137
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:29,600
that. 
I thought she has one more 

1138
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:34,080
season, but oh really? 
OK, but saw that. 

1139
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,479
And yeah, we touched on the 
women's 5K. 

1140
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:40,359
Women's steeple was won by Elise
Thorner. 

1141
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:43,200
Nine O 7 personal best, really, 
really strong run. 

1142
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:48,319
Gabby Jennings second, Emma 
Coburn third. 

1143
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,680
Gabby Jennings 921 and MC Coburn
923. 

1144
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:56,319
Good to see her back. 
And yeah, that was LA Track 

1145
01:08:56,319 --> 01:09:00,760
Fest. 
Yeah, overall we need, there's a

1146
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,920
shortage of domestic 
opportunities and I feel like 

1147
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:07,200
everyone took advantage of it 
this weekend, right. 

1148
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:14,359
It was a good all around me. 
Lots of PBS, lots of US 

1149
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:19,319
qualifiers, lots build off of so
good. 

1150
01:09:19,399 --> 01:09:20,439
Good. 
It was a good one. 

1151
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,520
This week coming up, I think 
there's a meet in Biscotts 

1152
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:26,640
that'll, that'll, that should be
good. 

1153
01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:28,600
It's like one of those those 
continental tour ones. 

1154
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:34,800
And then we got Rabat on Sunday.
Bandit Grand Prix is where we're

1155
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:36,760
going to be at this upcoming 
weekend. 

1156
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,279
If you're in New York City 
coming out to the Brooklyn Navy 

1157
01:09:39,279 --> 01:09:43,920
Yard on Saturday. 
Kyle and I will be the in house 

1158
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,960
announcers for the whole thing 
and we're going to partner with 

1159
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:50,359
Bandit around the event. 
It's a really cool race and I 

1160
01:09:50,359 --> 01:09:53,240
think like once it starts to 
find its footing in the calendar

1161
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,680
and maybe we can attract a 
couple of professionals to come 

1162
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,320
and race this thing, It's a 
it's, it's a strange part of the

1163
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,040
the season, but there's a fun 
format where there's prelims 

1164
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:08,600
super final and yeah, so it's a 
very interesting, fun venue. 

1165
01:10:08,600 --> 01:10:10,640
So if you're in New York City 
this weekend, you're either 

1166
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:12,960
going to be at the Bandit Grand 
Prix and I think like High Rocks

1167
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,280
is taking place like at the at 
the Piers. 

1168
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:19,560
So that's where you'll find the 
whole entire healthy fit 

1169
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:24,013
population of of folks. 
I mean, I went to Bandit Grand 

1170
01:10:24,013 --> 01:10:27,880
Prix last year just to watch and
it was one of the coolest 

1171
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:32,160
spectator experiences. 
I just checked with with our 

1172
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:35,840
friend Tim Rossi at Bandit and 
it looks like on the schedule 

1173
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:39,920
you and I will be able to run in
like the prelims and then we'll.

1174
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:41,520
Do we want to though? 
Do we want? 

1175
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:45,360
I said we would just so that we 
can get just sort of some 

1176
01:10:45,360 --> 01:10:47,680
talking points of being able to 
explain what it's like to race 

1177
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:51,880
on the course. 
So yeah, I guess get your your, 

1178
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:55,840
your super shoes ready, Kyle. 
But that does it for this week 

1179
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:58,720
in track and field. 
We will see you guys next week 

1180
01:10:58,920 --> 01:11:01,760
and we'll be wrapping up the 
next Diamond League. 

1181
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:05,840
We'll see you guys next week. 
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1182
01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:08,080
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1183
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:11,080
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1184
01:11:11,080 --> 01:11:14,160
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1185
01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,000
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1186
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:20,200
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1187
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:23,120
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1188
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:26,280
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1189
01:11:26,440 --> 01:11:29,520
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1190
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,880
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1191
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1192
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:34,680
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