1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,120 What's up everyone? You are listening to the CDs Mag 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:05,120 podcast. I'm your host Chris Chavez, and 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,480 every week we go beyond the results to bring you 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,480 conversations with the biggest names on the track, the roads 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,760 and behind the scenes. From world class athletes and 6 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,280 coaches to innovators shaping the sport. 7 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,520 If it's happening on the track, we're covering it with real 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,560 insights that sharpen minds, deep dives into the moments that 9 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,360 define careers, and the kind of access to the pros you won't get 10 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,360 anywhere else. So let's get into it because we 11 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,520 love. 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Your passion has really ignited 23 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,040 an interest in running that I didn't know was possible. 24 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,640 I've never been someone to watch or keep track of sports until 25 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,200 you all came along. Thanks for all you do and for 26 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:10,960 being you. From us to you. 27 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:14,600 We appreciate you Yellow PJ and if you feel the same way as 28 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,560 them, leaving a quick five star review on Apple Podcast is the 29 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,040 best way to support the show and it helps more people find it. 30 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,200 We read every one of those reviews and they truly mean a 31 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:29,480 lot. My guest for today's episode is 32 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,520 Jane Hennigren, and if the last few months have been any 33 00:01:32,520 --> 00:01:35,080 indication, we are watching the beginning of something very 34 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:36,840 special. She's one of the biggest 35 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:40,360 breakout stars of 2025. Just two weeks after finishing 36 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,960 runner up at the NCAA Cross Country Championships as a true 37 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:46,760 freshman at BYU, Jane stepped onto the track in Boston and ran 38 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:51,760 1444.79 for 5000 meters, shattering the collegiate record 39 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,720 and immediately vaulting herself to #2 on the US all time list 40 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,080 indoors. Jane came out of high school as 41 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,080 one of the most decorated prep distance runners ever, becoming 42 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,280 the first high school girl to break 15 minutes for the 5K and 43 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,080 setting 9 national high school records along the way. 44 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,479 She arrived at BYU this fall, dominated her cross country 45 00:02:10,479 --> 00:02:14,640 debut, 1 conference and regional titles, and then went toe to toe 46 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:18,480 with Doris Lemingle at the NCAA Championships, finishing second 47 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,440 on the biggest stage. In our conversation, Jane talks 48 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,040 openly about gratitude, patience, and keeping 49 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,080 expectations from overshadowing the joy of competition. 50 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,000 She reflects on how her training has become more intentional 51 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,000 under coach Dilji Taylor, why fuelling more has been a game 52 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,560 changer, and how learning to race with a level head has 53 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,040 helped her grow faster and happier at the same time. 54 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,840 We'll also look ahead to the Mill Rose Games on February 1st, 55 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:45,720 where she'll line up in the 3K against Doris Lemingle, a race 56 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,480 that puts Caitlin Tui's 835 collegiate record firmly on 57 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,560 watch. And lastly, we talk about what 58 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,360 it means to develop inside a program that prioritizes long 59 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,360 term growth over short term results. 60 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:59,160 So without further ado, here is Jane Heddingren. 61 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,960 All right, Jane, welcome to the City of Smack podcast, and I'm 62 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,480 super excited because we get to chat just about how awesome 2025 63 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,760 was for you. But I guess we'll start with how 64 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:22,640 did the first semester of school go? 65 00:03:23,520 --> 00:03:25,760 It went well, Yeah. I mean, it was fun. 66 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:28,400 I'm just getting to know everyone on the team. 67 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,760 And then the schooling has been great. 68 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:33,960 And yeah, I just have loved my time so far here at BYU. 69 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:39,040 Yeah, wait, what's your major? Kind of undecided still, but 70 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:42,240 yeah, just taking some different courses and, and seeing what I'm 71 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,160 interested in. So I'm, I'm looking forward to, 72 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,040 yeah, just checking out some new courses and, and seeing what I'm 73 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:52,120 interested in. Yeah, what's been the most fun 74 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:56,080 part about, I guess, making the transition from high school to 75 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,880 to college? I think it's just been so great 76 00:03:59,880 --> 00:04:04,880 to have a group of women right there beside me and we can push 77 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:09,080 each other within workouts and just be great friends off the 78 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,280 track. And so that's been one of the 79 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:17,360 best parts about coming into a new program is just the the 80 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:23,120 level of level of excellence that that this team brings and 81 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:25,680 how we can support one another. Yeah. 82 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,320 All right. So then on the flip side of it, 83 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,520 what's been the most challenging part of making the transition? 84 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:36,640 I think just there's a lot of new and so just try to come into 85 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:43,080 all the new things with an open mind and just realize it's 86 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,720 gonna, it's a lot of first, first with like first race and 87 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,200 first time attending classes and all these different things. 88 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,920 But just trying to stay patient and and realize with within time 89 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:56,200 you'll get more comfortable with it. 90 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,840 And I'm just trying to enjoy. It for where you're at. 91 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,040 I feel like also, I think that a challenging part is just being, 92 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:07,240 you know, in the spotlight so much right, With just all of the 93 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,720 compiled success that you've managed to find. 94 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:14,000 Like there's just all that extra attention when it comes to just 95 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:17,160 stepping to those first moments, that first time on the starting 96 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,160 line, you know, the first win, all that kind of stuff. 97 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:24,480 So what do you think has been key in managing just all of that 98 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:26,680 up until this point? Just sort of like keeping it in 99 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,080 check when it could feel like it would be overwhelming for a lot 100 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,960 of people. Yeah, I think just coming back 101 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:36,520 to that gratitude and and being grateful for the opportunity to 102 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:40,200 have new opportunities. And so that's what I wanted in 103 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:42,760 high school. I mean, I wanted to come into a 104 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,600 system where. There's going to be way. 105 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:50,360 More competition and I can I can line up on a random Saturday and 106 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,040 and just be finding. Out with all these. 107 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:54,680 Incredible women right beside me. 108 00:05:54,680 --> 00:06:00,800 So I think just just being grateful for the opportunities 109 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:05,720 and and the chances to yeah, just just become a a better 110 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,120 person and and hopefully put yourself best self out there. 111 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,880 Where we are now at this point and just sort of wrapping up 112 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:20,120 2025, so we're chatting December 18th, 2025, December 18th, 2024. 113 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,840 Like where do you feel like you were at Just sort of and like if 114 00:06:22,840 --> 00:06:26,440 someone were to write down on paper all of these times that 115 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,800 you've run and all of these achievements that you've had, 116 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,080 like would you have believed it? I guess like to to know that all 117 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:36,360 of this had come one year later. I think I would have been 118 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,880 shocked and like super pleasantly surprised, but like I 119 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:41,120 think I would have believed them. 120 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,560 Then like coming off this time last year, I feel like there's a 121 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,200 lot of uncertainty around my cross season and just how the 122 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:54,200 last few months I'd gone. And so but my body was kind of 123 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,480 able to come together right at the perfect moment with the 124 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,400 postseason and an XN and such. And so I was just really looking 125 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,440 forward to hopefully building on that on that cross season and, 126 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,240 and coming to track and healthy in good spots. 127 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,920 So I definitely think I would have been surprised and really 128 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,120 excited, but I think I would have believed you. 129 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,240 Take me back, I guess to just sort of like your roots in the 130 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:24,520 sport because I mean, it feels like running just surrounds you 131 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:28,360 with, you know, your dad having been a runner, your your brother 132 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:32,400 running on the BYU team, your uncle also like on the BYU team. 133 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,680 Like it, it's just so prevalent. But I guess like, what do you 134 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:36,280 remember? I guess like your first memory 135 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:40,160 of like being at a track. Yeah, it was just so simple. 136 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,520 I mean, I was just out there with friends in, in elementary 137 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,920 school, like that's where my very beginnings were. 138 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:52,560 And, and honestly, like even before that, we would just have 139 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,760 this local track meet every single year for my elementary 140 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,280 school and. That was always. 141 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:01,080 Something me and my friends really look, look forward to 142 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:05,160 having that relay team and and getting to compete and do these 143 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,320 different events. Not not that we trained for it, 144 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:08,800 but it was just fun to go out there. 145 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,080 And so yeah, my start to the sport was just really simple and 146 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:16,520 and full of love and joy and just getting to connect with 147 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:21,480 others and be outside and kind of have this space away from 148 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:27,560 from school and from home life and whatever else to just let 149 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,720 off a little bit of steam and enjoy myself. 150 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,320 Was it always distance running? Because I feel like when kids 151 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,799 start off, it's sort of like, oh, I see, you know, the pole 152 00:08:37,799 --> 00:08:41,280 vault or the long jump or even just like the sprints is like 153 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,799 those are, you know, super fun events and distance can 154 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:45,640 sometimes be looked at as a as a punishment. 155 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,240 What was it for you? My start was kind of distance 156 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,920 running, to be honest. Yeah, but it's definitely fun to 157 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,960 participate in all the different events, so. 158 00:08:55,520 --> 00:09:00,120 Tell me about the Roadrunners club because our mutual friend 159 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,640 Isaac Wood was the one who pointed it out to me. 160 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,480 Is like, yeah, I mean, like, people think of, you know, the 161 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,080 high school days, but it extends even further back. 162 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,480 Like how key was that in sort of like your athletic development? 163 00:09:10,680 --> 00:09:15,800 Yeah, it was huge. So my team from I, I was on this 164 00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:20,440 little recreational team, like my 5th and 6th grade years, but 165 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:26,080 that got shut down with coaches just moving away and yeah, not a 166 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,040 lot of resources. And so my dad started up this 167 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:34,800 nonprofit writing group called Roadrunners Junior Club. 168 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:39,480 And so that that had its beginnings just right in the 169 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:44,560 middle school age group of the 7th and 8th grade for, for local 170 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:50,160 kids here in Provo. But that is now extended to 171 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,320 element like an elementary school group. 172 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,440 And they still have that middle school group, but it's just a 173 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,960 really great group of kids. And I always. 174 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:00,880 Love. Being able to come back and talk 175 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:05,880 to the kids and just see their see their joy for the sport and 176 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:10,160 just how simple it is. And yeah, great group of kids 177 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:15,040 and really proud to have have kind of started that with my dad 178 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:18,520 and then to now see it bloom into what it's been has been 179 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:21,640 really awesome. What do you think was the? 180 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,520 Thing that brought you joy in the sport, like in those in 181 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:28,240 those early ages, was it just being around a team, like 182 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:31,200 winning? Like at what point did it sort 183 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:33,600 of Click to you? Is like I want to just do this 184 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:35,160 all the time. Yeah. 185 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:40,280 I just think it was something so cool about putting in that 186 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:43,560 effort and and seeing those results and and being able to 187 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:49,640 push yourself and have this kind of outlet and sport in a way in 188 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:53,200 which you can develop. Some of those lessons and 189 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:58,160 learnings later, like early on in your in your childhood years. 190 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:03,040 And so that's something I really loved early on is just that 191 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,880 this, the sport was a great opportunity to push my body and 192 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:10,000 have that outlook, but also to learn some important lessons and 193 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,720 hopefully apply those to life in general and and how I'm showing 194 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,240 up as a person. I feel like your dad probably 195 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,400 gets asked the question all the time. 196 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:20,720 It's just sort of like, so how did you do it? 197 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,240 Like, how did you manage? Just sort of like even when it 198 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:28,800 comes to just like the mileage and just sort of how much to get 199 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,880 your child into the sport so early? 200 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:32,880 And you maybe have like overheard these conversations 201 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,480 when he's been asked, but what do you think was the key? 202 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:39,640 And just sort of like having a longer term vision to so that 203 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,120 this success doesn't burn out in high school and it extends into 204 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:46,400 college and then beyond that. So I mean, what, what do you 205 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:48,920 think are some of the pillars that that your dad pulls from? 206 00:11:49,560 --> 00:11:51,800 Yeah, definitely. I think he just has a really 207 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,960 good outlook on on we're so young, like for these for these 208 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:00,120 little kids in in the middle school and when I was just a kid 209 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,760 growing up in the sport, like our bodies need time to develop 210 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:05,480 and we're just going to keep getting stronger. 211 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:10,640 And so if you can do little bits of training and, and be out 212 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,920 there with friends and enjoying the sport and hopefully getting 213 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,600 that good foundation, then there's just so much to build on 214 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:19,280 as. As you keep getting older and 215 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,760 transition to high school and college and beyond. 216 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:28,600 And so I think he he had a great outlook and probably protecting 217 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,680 me in some ways that. Maybe if I was in a different 218 00:12:31,680 --> 00:12:34,640 group earlier on, wouldn't have. Yeah. 219 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:37,920 So what do you think was the turning point when it came to 220 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,800 just sort of like your development in high school that 221 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:45,920 then all of a sudden, like you just started being so dominant 222 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:49,360 and I feel like it was just a big jumping off point. 223 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,040 Where do you kind of like pinpoint that in your head? 224 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,520 Well, I think honestly, my junior year I wasn't able to 225 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:02,240 showcase the work I had put in just because there were so many 226 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,480 kind of weird things that would pop up right before big 227 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,360 championships. And so I think junior year 228 00:13:08,680 --> 00:13:14,880 didn't showcase quite like how. I was in a good spot as I would 229 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,920 have hoped, and so that just made that transition to senior 230 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:25,280 year more dramatic. But I do think just as years go 231 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,640 on it, it was awesome to just build on the foundation I'd set 232 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:34,680 and just keep adding in a little more training and fine tuning 233 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:37,720 habits a little bit more and getting more sleep and all the 234 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,160 different things and hopefully enjoying it as you go as well. 235 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,800 That right, that's like what what we do it for. 236 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,920 But yeah, I just think those things all together kind of 237 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:54,800 allowed me to have have a bigger jump and be able to showcase 238 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,800 some of that hard work. I feel like there's another 239 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,920 element of just sort of like keeping your composure like, and 240 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,400 when it comes to lining up for these races. 241 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:07,200 And it's always fun when I get to chat with someone like Quincy 242 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:11,120 Wilson, who's like so dominant in the 400 against high 243 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,600 schoolers. And then at the same time, he'll 244 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,640 be the first one to tell me is like, well, I get super nervous 245 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,480 for like he gets more nervous for New Balance Nationals than 246 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:24,640 he does like competing at USAS. And so for you, I guess, like, 247 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:29,240 what are those nerves like, even though on paper, like the times 248 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,320 you run are just so much faster than like your competitors in in 249 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:35,160 high school. But it's just sort of like then 250 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,640 you have to just sort of meet those expectations that people 251 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,160 have on you and then yourself. So like, how did you deal with 252 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,880 that side of things? Honestly, the best way for me to 253 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:49,520 like approach races is to not be focused on that and just kind of 254 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,480 just trying to be focused on like why I love to compete and 255 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,720 like what I'm trying to accomplish here and, and kind of 256 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,120 what I've been training for, for these moments. 257 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,080 And so I'm really just trying to make the most of that and enjoy 258 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:07,440 that. And I think regardless of how I 259 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:12,560 perform, if I approach it with those mindsets, I will be proud 260 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:16,680 of my efforts and I will be more happy and just walking away with 261 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,400 better momentum than if I were to look at the pressure side of 262 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,840 things. Because honestly, when I look at 263 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:30,200 when I view racing from the lens of maybe not as positive as an 264 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:34,040 outlook, I will almost always be disappointed walking away. 265 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:37,520 There will almost always be more I could have done regardless of 266 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:42,040 the result. And so I just want to have that 267 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,800 kind of level playing field throughout and, and just keep 268 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:49,000 building and working off things. And so that's something really 269 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,400 important to me approaching graces and and competitions is 270 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,440 my mindset coming in and, and what I'm going. 271 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,760 To take away from races. Whether that's the learnings or 272 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,840 a little bit of celebration or whatever that might be, but just 273 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,320 trying to keep it more of a level head. 274 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,080 So senior year, like there were fewer of those races that left 275 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:12,720 you like wanting more. But like, is there one maybe 276 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,240 from junior year, sophomore year that you really think of as like 277 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,920 that's the one where it's sort of like I left a lot on the 278 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,200 table or at the same time flipping it, You're like, I 279 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:23,920 learned a lot of lessons from that one. 280 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:29,400 Honestly, pretty much with every race, I feel like there's always 281 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:33,920 something that like I could have done better until that's really 282 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,840 exciting. Like even some races senior 283 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,720 year. I think it's just important to 284 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:43,280 remember that the preparation isn't going to be perfect and it 285 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,160 doesn't have to be. And like that something I would 286 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:50,920 go back to is like, maybe for example, when I ran like 426 287 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:55,040 indoors at the Armory, I was like, how am I going to be able 288 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,240 to do this again? Like that was my maximum effort. 289 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,720 And you kind of put these efforts and the preparations on 290 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,640 a pedestal, or at least I, I will at times. 291 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:07,359 I mean, it's just important to remember like, no, like I raced 292 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,079 a 5K like just a few days before that or like this happened and 293 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:13,839 this happened and maybe travel didn't go as smoothly as you 294 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:17,440 would have hoped. And so I just think it's 295 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:22,839 exciting to be able to remember those things sort of and, and to 296 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,240 take it all in and, and just be like, no, I'm ready. 297 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:31,800 Like my body, my body's ready. I've been able to, to train hard 298 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,720 and work for this. And we're just going to see 299 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,320 where it puts me in, just remembering that that 300 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,640 preparation doesn't have to be completely perfect and just try 301 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,080 to do the best with what you can. 302 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:45,800 So then what are the feelings and thoughts when you run 1457 303 00:17:45,800 --> 00:17:50,640 back in April? Like just initially after that 304 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:55,640 race, yeah, oh man, like, again, I feel like it was really 305 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:57,280 exciting. Like that was huge. 306 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:02,640 I was stoked to be able to break 15 and I I didn't know if I was 307 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,640 going to be able to beforehand. But again, I just want to go out 308 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,480 there and compete. It was a great opportunity to 309 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,960 compete against some collegians. And so I just want to make the 310 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,640 most of that. Yeah. 311 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,680 I mean, I was sick. I was very I woke up very sick 312 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:21,840 that that morning for the race. And so just trying to approach 313 00:18:22,120 --> 00:18:25,680 the race with, I'm going to give it my very best and I'm going to 314 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:27,880 hopefully be proud of this effort. 315 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,720 And regardless of what happens, there's going to be more 316 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,560 opportunities hopefully in the future to race against 317 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,080 competitive fields. And I'm just want to build on 318 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:40,240 this. So yeah, just trying to do the 319 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,840 the best with what I can given the circumstances. 320 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:48,920 But that was such a fun day. And yeah, definitely, definitely 321 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:53,040 a day to remember. And like loved racing the 5K, 322 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,000 especially with a competitive field. 323 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:59,760 Yeah, I guess like when you go into a race like that, I mean, 324 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:04,160 is it I'm trying to win and beat like everyone. 325 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:05,760 I'm trying to get the best out of myself. 326 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,880 I'm just trying to run as good as a high schooler can do 327 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,560 against these fields. Like how are you mentally 328 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,160 setting, you know, kind of the definition of success for you, 329 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,800 for yourself there? Yeah, I think a good combination 330 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:22,120 of all those points that you brought up, I think trying to 331 00:19:22,120 --> 00:19:24,720 give it my best effort is something that will always be 332 00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:29,080 important to me because that's what you can control going in. 333 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:36,200 And so I also feel like that competition aspect can help, 334 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,920 like you can help each other to push yourselves to your very, 335 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:42,600 very best and just see where people come out on top. 336 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:46,080 And so I think there's definitely lots of elements that 337 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,440 come into a race like that, but trying to use all of them in the 338 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:54,880 right way. So you have a good combination 339 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,280 of like being calm, but also really excited and ready to 340 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:01,680 compete. 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One thing that I picked up on 417 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,520 just sort of like from, you know, some of these post race 418 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,880 interviews that you've done, and I guess like how Coach Taylor 419 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,960 has kind of talked about just sort of your early development 420 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:37,440 so far in in this first cross season, is that from a training 421 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,880 perspective, like right now, you're doing less than what you 422 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,000 were doing in high school and that it's very intentional. 423 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,680 So I know not not, you know, coach Taylor has her way with 424 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:49,800 just sort of like keeping workouts like under wraps. 425 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,360 But just how does the training, how did the training look in 426 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:55,800 high school for you? Yeah, so. 427 00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:01,240 It looked different each year for sure, but again, just trying 428 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,840 to build on each year once my body was stronger and I'm in a 429 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,800 better spot. But senior year it was a bit 430 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,200 excessive, to be honest. Like track season, I just got a 431 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,400 little carried away and, and the works at times wasn't as 432 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:21,000 productive. And so I I was doing a little 433 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,800 bit too much. And so I'm just really grateful 434 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:26,200 that I was able to come into a program where a coach can 435 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:31,440 realize that and not not not build on something that was 436 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,400 already excessive. And so, yeah, we've we've 437 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,920 brought down the training in and we've made it far more 438 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,240 productive. And I think, I think that's 439 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:45,000 allowed me to be a lot more rested and, and to get more out 440 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,560 of the work I am doing. And so I'm really grateful to be 441 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:54,480 working with Coach Taylor and to be on this team where it's, it's 442 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,040 very calculated and we're and we're doing, we're doing a good 443 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,480 amount of work and it's productive and it's hard work, 444 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:05,040 but we're not overreaching and we have things to build on. 445 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,360 So it feels very exciting. Do you remember your first 446 00:26:08,360 --> 00:26:10,560 conversation with Coach Taylor? What was that like? 447 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,680 I do. It was probably my freshman 448 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,680 year. I would just, I mean, I'm local 449 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:23,880 to, to Probo and so seeing her on track meets and stuff, but 450 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:29,440 it, it was awesome. I mean, she's just such a light 451 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,880 of a person and and yeah, I could tell she was very special 452 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:37,680 and and had a special thing going here at BYU. 453 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,520 And I feel like at that point when, you know, you get to see 454 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,400 that up close, like as a freshman, you're probably like, 455 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:46,360 hey, I like, I still got three more years before I get to be 456 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:49,000 part of this. Was the recruiting process like, 457 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:51,360 you know, from the outside looking in, when you've had so 458 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:55,280 many family members go to BYU, but at the same time you're 459 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,800 running like these fast times, you're drawing, you know, 460 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,480 probably national interest. Was it easy that like, I guess, 461 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,000 to go through the recruiting process and ultimately land at 462 00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,760 BYU? Man, I I really wanted to have 463 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,160 an open mind coming. Into the recruiting process. 464 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:15,920 And so it definitely wasn't does definitely wasn't a thing where 465 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,760 I just took one visit and signed. 466 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:22,600 So yeah, definitely tried to to reach out to a lot of different 467 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:27,120 options and, and programs and and get a feel for them. 468 00:27:27,120 --> 00:27:31,520 But ultimately, I BYU was the best place for me and I'm really 469 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,360 glad that I decided to go here. What spoke to you, I guess 470 00:27:35,360 --> 00:27:39,360 about, you know, yes, Coach Taylor and just sort of like her 471 00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:42,840 reputation, but getting to see the team up close, visiting 472 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,440 them, like what really compelled you at that point? 473 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,040 Yeah, I think there's just a lot of parallels in the way me and 474 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,280 my teammates live our lives and, and some of the values that we 475 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:55,320 have. And so that was really awesome 476 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,920 to see like just how how the team worked together and how 477 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:04,520 they supported one another and also how how this team trains 478 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:10,200 and, and how it does feel very productive and like, and just 479 00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:14,720 seeing like athletes time and time again have success here at 480 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,480 BYU and playing to that development process was really 481 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,440 exciting to me. And so, yeah, I'm, I'm just so 482 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,320 glad I came came to BYU. There's a lot of really great 483 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,240 programs out there, but I think BYU has been such a great fit 484 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,840 for me. And I think one thing that Coach 485 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,840 Taylor has expressed is just sort of like how it's a very 486 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:42,720 intentional, I guess, approach to handling a talent like you, 487 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,760 where it's just sort of like we want this to, you know, go on 488 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,040 for a long time and also to be fun. 489 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,240 So how do you define fun when it comes to showing up to these 490 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,680 practices? And obviously, like being pushed 491 00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,480 to your limits sometimes, but like what? 492 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,600 What part of it makes it fun for you? 493 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,800 Well, I think I think that is the fun part for me is being 494 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,840 able to be pushed to your limits and, and be out there doing it 495 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,880 with other strong women and, and working off each other and, and 496 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,480 having a great coach and support staff. 497 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:18,200 And that's so fun to me, like the really, truly hard work. 498 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:23,880 And so, oh man, there's just so much I love about this sport and 499 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:29,120 about this team, but that's definitely how I would describe 500 00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:32,200 this first semester so far. It's just so much fun. 501 00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,520 And so I'm really looking forward to building with this 502 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:41,160 team and and yeah, just continuing to work hard and make 503 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,400 some memories. I guess like it's always fun to 504 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,600 be the new face, but also like with Someone Like You, everyone 505 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:50,720 probably knows who you are when you're showing up on the first 506 00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,800 day of practice. Can you describe or take me back 507 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,960 to just sort of like that first practice this fall? 508 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:00,200 Yeah, Oh man, this first practice is kind of interesting. 509 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,240 I am not used. I was not used to running in a 510 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:09,240 pack of like people around me. I would do a lot of my workouts 511 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:12,280 alone in high school, occasionally with like maybe one 512 00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:16,760 or two guys around me. I but yeah, I mean, it was, it 513 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,280 was a grass workout and so there were some tight turns and stuff 514 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,520 and we just had a big pack of us out there running. 515 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,120 And so I was going so wide and, and didn't really know how to 516 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,240 navigate running in a group, but the girls were so patient with 517 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:34,160 me. And and towards the end, it got 518 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,640 a little bit more split apart just with people coming in at 519 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,880 different points. But they were extremely 520 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,960 encouraging of like know if you feel good, like you can go like 521 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,080 putting your best self out out here today on this practice is 522 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,720 going to help everyone put their their best selves out here. 523 00:30:54,720 --> 00:31:00,320 So I think that was huge coming from like a senior on the team 524 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:04,960 if like telling the freshman to go and like give it their very 525 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,800 best shot. And so yeah, that first practice 526 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:14,400 was was definitely fun and and interesting, but like so much 527 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,240 build on and like just as the practices went on, it was just 528 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,520 awesome to get to work more with the group of women. 529 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,000 Yeah. And then there's also just sort 530 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,880 of like the style that you develop, like when it comes to 531 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,760 at least what we saw in the early cross country races where 532 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,080 just sort of like just go right from the gun. 533 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,520 And there's that is something that requires, you know, 534 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,120 confidence and, you know, the ability to be bold like on the 535 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:40,960 day. Where did you sort of develop 536 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:45,480 that? I don't know, honestly, it like 537 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,920 sometimes I get in a little over my head as well, like with 538 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,080 pushing myself and like I'll just drop it down and thinking 539 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,360 I'm still feeling great and then like drop myself at a certain 540 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,080 point and then I just can't close as well. 541 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:07,080 And so I just think it's a very great opportunity to have like a 542 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,240 body and be able to push that body and it's just such a gift. 543 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,280 And so every time I want to make the most of that gift and, and 544 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:19,760 see where that can put me, it does sometimes come back to bite 545 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,760 me. And so I think Coach Taylor has 546 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,880 done a really great job of instilling that patience in me. 547 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,240 And, and we're going to keep working on that and keep working 548 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,840 on that close. But I just, yeah, really, really 549 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,480 love to just put that effort out there and and try to maximize 550 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,880 that when I can. What did you learn from about 551 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,160 racing just sort of in those early cross country ones before 552 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,800 we get to sort of like the national championships, but what 553 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,800 were the lessons you took from those performances that 554 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,360 ultimately did kind of up the confidence for the national 555 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,240 championships? Yeah, I think just having 556 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,040 patience and like there's going to be people running around you 557 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:06,880 often times and like just not having anyone else's race plan 558 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:13,520 change what your goals are and like what you're doing too much. 559 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,600 And so yes, it's great to play off of off of one another. 560 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,040 Obviously that's why in your race you're you're competing. 561 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,840 But I think just trying to keep that level head and, and know 562 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,720 what you and your team want to do and securing, securing that 563 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,400 good spot and then just seeing, seeing how well you can make 564 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:39,600 that day, but securing that spot and and then going out to play 565 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,120 and see what you can do. Yeah, because there's there's 566 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:45,040 sort of like a a moment that happens right when you when you 567 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,440 make the move and then you're up in the front. 568 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,960 Like even as you're getting tired, you kind of have to hold 569 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,480 your composure and then fake it till you make it till all the 570 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:56,520 way to the finish line. Like is there a point at in any 571 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:58,600 of those races that you're just sort of like, man, I was really 572 00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:00,240 hurting. Maybe you couldn't tell from 573 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,600 like the broadcast, but like, crossing that finish line 574 00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:05,000 couldn't have come sooner. Most definitely. 575 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,680 And like, that's what people will tell me sometimes they're 576 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,400 like, Jane, you don't even look tired. 577 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:16,199 I'm like, how like I promise I, I am like I, that was such a 578 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:19,520 hard race. But I think that is something so 579 00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,560 important, especially coming into those final stages of the 580 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:27,400 race is keeping your composure, focusing on your form because it 581 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:32,360 will, it has big, big impacts on on your performance and how well 582 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,520 you can finish. And so that's something I I 583 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,320 really value, especially in the later stages of a race. 584 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:41,960 And then obviously just sort of with like the early season cross 585 00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:45,920 country performances, it starts to get a little bit louder just 586 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,679 sort of in terms of just like Jane could make history as like 587 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,920 the first freshman to win the NCAA championships. 588 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,800 And like you're being thrown out there as just sort of like a 589 00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:59,360 favorite for this stuff. Like when it's the conversation 590 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,000 online and I'm sure also just kind of getting louder in 591 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:07,240 general around you. Like how do you how do you do 592 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:10,200 you tune it out or do you just sort of minimize it a little bit 593 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,600 because it's sort of like you know it too like inside like 594 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,440 every athlete who's in that position knows. 595 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,960 OK, yeah. I mean, like the data shows like 596 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,360 I would be a contender to win the whole thing, but it's like 597 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:22,760 you want to keep yourself in check. 598 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:27,560 So how did you do that? Yeah, I think Coach Taylor was 599 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,640 really good with me on that. And and for the whole team, we 600 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,520 had this like 30 day period before nationals where there's 601 00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,880 no social media, there was no looking at what anyone else is 602 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:44,840 doing, no looking into whatever. Like it was very intentional 603 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,720 about like we are just going to keep doing our thing. 604 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:50,160 We're going to keep trusting, we're going to keep loving on 605 00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:54,080 one another. And so I honestly, I was 606 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:58,320 ignorant to the fact that like there was some pressure or like 607 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,720 there was, were some people talking or, or that I could be 608 00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:04,920 the first freshman to win and how many years? 609 00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,160 Like I had no idea. And so I think that was really 610 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,640 huge of Coach Taylor and, and some of the girls just taking me 611 00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:17,640 under their wing a little bit. And like just focusing on on 612 00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:21,000 what we had been doing all season, which was uplifting one 613 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,600 another and, and helping one another and seeing how we could 614 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:30,320 work together as a team and be patient and just keep doing our 615 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,520 work and keep doing our thing and not looking externally for 616 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:38,360 any of that. So every weekend when like the 617 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,640 iPhone says, like, here's your screen time for the week and 618 00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,080 like Instagram or TikTok or whatever it might be, can like 619 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,320 feel a good percentage of that. Now you're telling me that 30 620 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,800 days out of the national championships for this big race, 621 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,800 like we're doing a little blackout period. 622 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,760 So then how are you feeling the time, like when it's like, all 623 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,440 right, I don't have Instagram, what am I going to do? 624 00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:59,840 So what were you doing the whole time? 625 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,560 Well, I feel like I don't spend a lot of time on Instagram or 626 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:07,640 social media in the first place, but yeah, there was like a 627 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,960 little bit of free time within my day. 628 00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,960 Like, especially since I wasn't like intentionally listening to 629 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:18,360 podcasts or listening to just whatever it was. 630 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,920 And so I think that was awesome just to focus in a little bit 631 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:27,360 more on school work and, and, and spend time with loved ones 632 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,720 and whatever it might be. But yeah, I definitely don't 633 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:33,880 think there was a, a big problem on having too much time. 634 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,560 I mean it, we're pretty busy anyways, so it was good. 635 00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,040 I could see the director from like, Coach Taylor being like, 636 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,000 don't listen to what Chris and Isaac are saying on the podcast 637 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:48,440 whatsoever. All right, So then as we get 638 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,280 closer towards NCAA is like where was your confidence level 639 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,640 at like heading into to the race? 640 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,520 Like you know what you have kind of like done to get to the get, 641 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,240 you know, get to that stage and you know who the top competition 642 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:04,360 is going to be. So then how did you feel on that 643 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:06,920 starting line? Yeah, I felt really good. 644 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,520 I felt really good in the work that we had done as a team and 645 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,320 individually. And there were some faces that I 646 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,080 had I hadn't raced against. And so I was excited for that 647 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,200 opportunity for sure. And I was, I felt like I was in 648 00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,520 a really, really good spot coming into nationals. 649 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,000 And I just want to, yeah, put my best self out there and, and see 650 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:34,240 where it lined up. I, I was trying to focus less on 651 00:38:34,240 --> 00:38:41,080 the probability and more on the possibility of that I could have 652 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:45,040 a chance to do really well here. And so I just wanted to hang on 653 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:51,120 to that and and not lose hope. So then as the race is 654 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,600 unfolding, sort of like what, what were the key moments, I 655 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,160 guess that you decided, all right, I'm going to make my 656 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,600 move. And like in some races, like you 657 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:03,480 only get one move cross country, like with it being a little bit 658 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,440 longer, like there are times that you know that you could get 659 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,120 multiple ones. But how did you approach the 660 00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,760 race execution? Yeah, I think like with talking 661 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:19,760 with Coach Taylor, we felt the best way to approach this race 662 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:25,360 was to kind of take it out and, and see and hammer and see who 663 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,880 can hold on. And so I felt good with that. 664 00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:34,480 And and it was kind of a little bit of a risk just like not 665 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:39,360 knowing where everyone was at. But we felt very confident in in 666 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:43,720 our abilities to. Yeah, just just put ourselves 667 00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:45,360 out there and, and see where it landed us. 668 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,320 And so that's ultimately what we we ended up doing. 669 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:55,280 I ended up taking it like pretty much from the start and, and 670 00:39:55,280 --> 00:40:01,000 just yeah, trying to trying to keep the pace hot and, and hard. 671 00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:07,200 And then Doris was able to take it at around 3K and we were able 672 00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:12,600 to kind of work together and, and try to like just. 673 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,520 Run it on home and and see see who had it on the day. 674 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,000 So yeah. Yeah. 675 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,240 All right, So then this is like the first time in a while that 676 00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:24,320 like you were challenged like in a in a race, like as it's 677 00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,640 happening, like, I mean because of someone like Doris's 678 00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,240 credentials, like you're not shocked, but then like how are 679 00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:33,080 you feeling in the moment? I. 680 00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:35,640 Was excited. I was excited that there's 681 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,520 someone right there beside me and like we were able to like 682 00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:45,640 push each other's to new height. And so, yeah, like starting out 683 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,600 the race, I, I was feeling really, really good and where I 684 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:51,960 was at, especially because Doris was right on my shoulder and I 685 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,040 could, I could hear her breathing and, and maybe others 686 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,800 around me. And it was a little bit more 687 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,520 labored than than where I was at that point in the race. 688 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,400 And so I was, I was really excited with like my chances. 689 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:08,640 And so just as I was running the race, just trying to keep 690 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,760 composure and keep calm and be grateful for the opportunity to 691 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:17,760 have competitors and to, yeah, just push each other and 692 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:22,040 maximize that effort. And yeah, ultimately I had a 693 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,000 great time out there and like, I was really hoping to win. 694 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,000 And I, I felt like I had a really, really good shot of 695 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:33,120 that. And so I'm proud of the way that 696 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:37,680 I ran it. And even though like it didn't 697 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,760 quite work out and, and that's that kind of broke my heart a 698 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:46,720 little bit just because I knew, like I knew I could have done 699 00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:48,960 that. Like I, it wasn't like she 700 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,400 closed in something crazy, but my body just didn't quite have 701 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:56,120 it on the day. And so I'm just excited to keep 702 00:41:56,680 --> 00:42:01,720 having those like matchups, I guess, and like keep bracing her 703 00:42:01,720 --> 00:42:05,440 and and others. And I just think it's a great 704 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:10,480 opportunity every single time. And it's a privilege to be able 705 00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:15,400 to run against others. And, and I'm, I'm just glad to, 706 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:21,360 to be able to, yeah, just put my, put my best self out there 707 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:26,400 and have those head to head matches as often as possible. 708 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,240 When you described it sort of like, yeah, it, it broke your 709 00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:32,080 heart a little bit, right? But then, you know, how long 710 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,200 does that feeling linger? Because then you cross the 711 00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,360 finish line. And the beauty of cross country, 712 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:38,960 especially when you're on, you're on a team like yours, is 713 00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,920 that you have to turn around and just start to pay attention to 714 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,440 where's my teammates? And like, where are we going to 715 00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,360 fall among, you know, the team race. 716 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:51,360 So, you know, maybe the heartbreak comes back up later 717 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,920 on when the race is settling in. But I guess like in that moment 718 00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,080 after crossing the finish line like does, is that the first 719 00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,560 moment that you get to start to think about your teammates 720 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,200 because you had to be so locked into the individual race? 721 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,520 Totally, yeah. And I think that's a cool thing 722 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:10,360 is like why you're in the race. Yes, you were thinking about 723 00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,040 your teammates and like hopefully drawing inspiration 724 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:16,280 off, like how hard they're pushing it and like trusting in 725 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,040 them. But ultimately, within the race, 726 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,480 you're trying to do the very best you can do to help your 727 00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,600 team. And so that was really cool to 728 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,960 finish and then be able to watch my teammates come in and 729 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:32,160 congratulate them and like, just hear, hear how their races went 730 00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,480 and like how they're feeling and stuff. 731 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,040 That was really special. 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Like do do you want like the 790 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:54,200 little areas of improvement to be pointed out or like what are 791 00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:58,360 you asking after you do really well but you still want to be 792 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,720 better, of course. Yeah, I think, I think that that 793 00:47:01,720 --> 00:47:05,160 critique part is like so important and and looking for 794 00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,360 ways you can improve. There's always going to be 795 00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:11,920 things that you can do, I feel like, and so that's something I 796 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:16,520 really value, especially with talking with mentors and, and, 797 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,920 and getting feedback. But I do, I do think it's 798 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,920 important to, to celebrate some of the things that you might 799 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:25,640 have done well or, or improved upon from last time. 800 00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:29,200 And, and that can just help your overall momentum going forward 801 00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,640 and, and celebrate, celebrate your performances, but also 802 00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:38,760 other performances and just all around keeping that, that good 803 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,400 mental headspace. Yeah, I guess like I've remember 804 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:47,400 last year after, you know, both teams won, like I think it was 805 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,560 maybe even later that evening, there was just, I think you guys 806 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,520 all went to all the BYU team went to like a service and like 807 00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,840 everyone got to just sort of speak on like what they chose, 808 00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,000 you know, what they were very proud of, like amongst each 809 00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:01,840 other. So how did you guys celebrate? 810 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,920 Just sort of even like your runner up finish? 811 00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:08,280 Yeah, honestly, it wasn't a lot of celebrating. 812 00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:13,360 We kind of just got on a plane and and headed back to to Utah. 813 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:19,320 But I think yeah, there's a lot of a lot to be proud of and like 814 00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:24,640 of the effort and, and, and some of the individuals on our team 815 00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:28,080 that really had a great day. And so you just keep looking 816 00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:31,160 forward and obviously NCAA's is a really big moment. 817 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,240 And I mean, it only comes once a year for cross country. 818 00:48:34,240 --> 00:48:38,240 And so you, that's what you're gunning for all year. 819 00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:43,680 And so it's, it's kind of hard when it doesn't quite work out 820 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:48,640 the way you would have really hoped it would or, or what you 821 00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:52,080 thought it could have been. But ultimately you just have to 822 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:57,560 if if you put your maximize that effort and, and you did it in 823 00:48:57,560 --> 00:48:59,920 the right ways, that there's just so much to be proud of. 824 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,200 And so, yeah, I'm, I'm just really proud of our team and, 825 00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,360 and the ways in which we were able to work together this 826 00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:10,640 season. And there were so many wins this 827 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:15,840 season and yeah, so much to to take forward and also to learn 828 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,640 on. So I think that's ultimately 829 00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:22,680 like so exciting. So if you boil down the runner 830 00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:25,800 up finish at NCA cross to one lesson, like what was it? 831 00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:32,280 Probably just like trust, like trusting this, there's been so 832 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:36,560 much new this season and like I've had to take time off for 833 00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:44,320 different things or had to kind of just not train in the way I 834 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,720 thought I like would be best for me. 835 00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:50,760 But like just trusting in in coach and trusting in my 836 00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,880 teammates and trusting in so many different elements and. 837 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,760 I think. And that's been really huge for 838 00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,680 this season and going forward, I want to continue to trust and 839 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:07,520 and have belief so. And then as has become 840 00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,000 tradition, it feels like it feels like right after a big, 841 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,440 you know, cross country performance, half of the whole 842 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:19,200 entire field goes to BU to try and run a fast time, recycle the 843 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:23,160 cross country fitness lock open NCA indoor qualifier, like right 844 00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:27,560 away. So the plan is to go to BU and 845 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:32,280 run the 5K. You run 1444.79, second fastest 846 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:37,200 time ever by an American smashed the NCAA record. 847 00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:40,560 How did that race sort of feel to, I mean, just get back on a 848 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,360 track and then, you know, instant success and pick up 849 00:50:44,360 --> 00:50:47,520 where he left off? Yeah, I mean, it's so fun to 850 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:52,960 come back to the track. I love both seasons, but yeah, 851 00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,520 there's just something so special about both. 852 00:50:55,520 --> 00:51:00,200 And so luckily we've been able to incorporate some little bits 853 00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,880 and pieces of track work throughout our cross season. 854 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,960 And I think every time you just feel so much better running on 855 00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,680 the track often than you would on the grass. 856 00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:15,720 And so it just gives you that extra, extra little bit. 857 00:51:15,720 --> 00:51:20,480 And so I think it's I'm just excited to, yeah, see how how 858 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,840 this cross fitness translates into track and, and to see it 859 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,520 for myself, but also for my teammates. 860 00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,960 Like there's been so many huge breakthroughs on my team this 861 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,320 year. And so I think there's a lot of, 862 00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,280 a lot of good coming from the BYU woman this year for this 863 00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,720 track season. So I'm just excited to to cheer 864 00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:43,040 him on and and to kind of see where where it all plays out. 865 00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:46,880 Can you describe, I guess like how different the flow state 866 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,200 feels like on a track when you're running that fast versus 867 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,920 like in cross country? It just like course to course it 868 00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,280 varies and like, you know, there's more distractions, but I 869 00:51:56,280 --> 00:52:01,000 mean when you're locked in like it's very, it feels different 870 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,760 like in both sports. So I mean, what? 871 00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,760 How do they differ for you? Yeah, most definitely. 872 00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,200 I think that I love that you pointed that out about track 873 00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,120 because I feel like there is this element of like falling 874 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,640 asleep and turning off your brain and track that can be so 875 00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,120 helpful. And it like depending on the the 876 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:23,080 field and the race, of course, But like for track, you could 877 00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,320 be, you could not be thinking for like half the race, you 878 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,400 know, like, and that just saves so much mental energy, 879 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:33,680 especially within like a 5K or even if you're doing 10K or, or 880 00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:39,240 whatever it might be. And so I think in cross, it's so 881 00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:43,880 exciting to have that pure competition aspect of like, I'm 882 00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:48,880 just here like ripping it out, like, and seeing where it's 883 00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:53,000 going to place me against some of the best in the NC double AI. 884 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,760 Think track is also just such a special opportunity because all 885 00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,280 tracks are the same. Like you could you could run 886 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:04,000 time here and just see where it puts you against competitors and 887 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,680 like be able to compare a little bit more. 888 00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,320 And yeah, I just think it's really exciting, especially with 889 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:16,200 track there being so many different events and like seeing 890 00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,320 where you can stack up in all the different events and then 891 00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,880 also having your teammates running different events. 892 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:24,440 It's really exciting to to see them in their element and to see 893 00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:27,400 what they're capable of and and what they can push themselves 894 00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:29,320 to. Some people would argue that 895 00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,880 it's hard to fall asleep in a track race when Coach Taylor is 896 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:36,560 just yelling as loud as she does for for for her athletes. 897 00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:40,160 And one thing I've kind of picked up on from just 898 00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,400 conversations with tons of BYU athletes is that everyone sort 899 00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:46,360 of comes up with like their words of affirmation that they 900 00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:50,400 want to hear during a race. And like, I remember was it last 901 00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:54,160 year, it may have been like Clayton Young yelling something 902 00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,520 in particular for like Kenneth Brooks when he was running like 903 00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,840 the 5K. And So what is it for you? 904 00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,800 I guess like what do you like to hear when people when Coach 905 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:03,440 Taylor is like screaming for you? 906 00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,760 Yeah, I think that probably depends on the race, right? 907 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,880 And like the competition of the field. 908 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:15,400 But I'd say in most cases, I love just hearing the like you 909 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:20,160 against you and like just trying to have that self discovery 910 00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,880 process of like how hard can I push it today? 911 00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:27,920 How hard can I push my body and like maximizing that effort? 912 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,400 I think there's something so liberating about that. 913 00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:35,600 And like just unlike anything else because you don't get that 914 00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:38,760 in practice, like, and so I just think making the most of those 915 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,200 opportunities is huge. And so that's something I always 916 00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,480 love to hear. Does you against you also signal 917 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:49,080 that like, hey, I think you're going to win this run. 918 00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,160 So now at this point, like there's a little bit of a gap, 919 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,840 just close it out. Yeah, I feel like you're going 920 00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,440 to use more of an example, but just kind of like along those 921 00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:02,080 lines of like, yeah, just see, see how hard you can push it and 922 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:07,440 like challenge your, your mind. So there was no no plans of 923 00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:13,160 running US cross country and some people were devastated by 924 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:14,200 the news. Like, what do you mean we're not 925 00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:16,840 getting Jane after such an awesome cross country season to 926 00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,280 run US cross? Did you have a little bit of 927 00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:23,080 FOMO watching the races? Honestly, no. 928 00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,280 Like that was not on our agenda at all. 929 00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,280 Like I had, I had no, it's it surprised me that Grace Hartman 930 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,280 did it. Like that was really exciting to 931 00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:36,560 see. But yeah, I was just like, that 932 00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:41,120 was not in our plans at all. And so, yeah, I, I feel like I 933 00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:45,000 didn't, I didn't miss it too much just because I had no, 934 00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,920 yeah, I don't know, no hope of, of doing that, I guess. 935 00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:52,520 And just was also excited for Boston and like 'cause that was 936 00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,840 my first time ever racing at Boston and just the traditions 937 00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:59,320 there and, and indoor track and and stuff. 938 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:04,320 So yeah, definitely was excited to move on to to a new season 939 00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,480 and get the track rolling. Yeah. 940 00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:08,720 And I think one thing coach TaylorMade clear was just sort 941 00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:10,920 of like, I mean, those opportunities in cross country 942 00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,240 will be there like in the future and there will be like future 943 00:56:14,720 --> 00:56:19,680 world cross teams to make. And so like, I guess it's a very 944 00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,880 open-ended question, but like, what are your, your dreams in 945 00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:25,120 this sport? Because like you are at this 946 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:29,680 point now where like, I mean, we're in the middle of like the 947 00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,960 Olympic cycle towards LA 28 and you've had all of the success 948 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,240 and you know, the Olympics is just sort of like what everyone 949 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:41,960 dreams of. So like is that just sort of is 950 00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,720 it as obvious as that or like do you have like even bigger 951 00:56:44,720 --> 00:56:48,840 aspirations? I just want to keep like 952 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:54,720 trusting and keeping that hope. I feel like I don't know how 953 00:56:54,720 --> 00:56:57,280 things are going to play out and I, I want to keep taking care of 954 00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,680 my body the best I can and, and keep supporting those around me. 955 00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:04,000 But things can change so much from year to year for better, 956 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,360 for worse. And so like, for example, for 957 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:12,160 last, like my senior season, like I, I would have been really 958 00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,600 shocked that like I was able to accomplish all those things. 959 00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:18,920 And like, I don't know, like things can just change so much 960 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:23,920 in short periods of time for like either huge jumps or, or 961 00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,120 maybe maybe there's a different path you want to be on. 962 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:32,800 And so I really love this sport and, and the people in it and 963 00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:38,800 just all the opportunities it gives and the like the 964 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:41,320 opportunity to push yourself and all that. 965 00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:48,960 But I, I also want to trust that like I want to be on the, the 966 00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:52,680 best path and like just keep loving those around me and, and 967 00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,440 wherever that puts me. Like I want to be happy with 968 00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,280 that. And yeah, so I don't know. 969 00:57:59,000 --> 00:58:02,240 But yeah, definitely, definitely love where I'm at for now and 970 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:05,720 like want to keep working hard and and see where see how far I 971 00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,040 can go I guess in this sport. So you noted just sort of like 972 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,320 taking care of your body. And one of the things that I 973 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:14,560 think you pointed out in Boston was just sort of like that 974 00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:18,960 fueling and like just that's been a big thing that you've 975 00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:22,680 improved upon just in this first semester at BYU. 976 00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,680 Like what does that look like in terms of just sort of like the 977 00:58:25,680 --> 00:58:28,600 changes you've made and like what's gotten you to this good 978 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:32,120 place? Yeah, I think looking more at 979 00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:37,040 nutrition from like an athlete standpoint, like, and not not 980 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,960 what the rest of the world views nutrition as in like what 981 00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:44,520 healthy, healthy even means for that, but more so like working 982 00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:48,400 with a sports dietitian and like really dialing that in of like, 983 00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:53,760 yeah, we need a ton of carbs and like a ton of just calories and 984 00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,480 whatever. Just tailoring that specifically 985 00:58:56,480 --> 00:59:00,720 for an athlete's lifestyle and supporting that type of work I 986 00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,840 think has been really huge. Allowed me to recover, allowed 987 00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:09,600 me to be a happier person and yeah, just overall just in a 988 00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:10,920 much better spot. So. 989 00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:13,720 Yeah. So we're also chatting a couple 990 00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:17,360 days before the announcement comes out that you will be 991 00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:21,640 running the 3K at the Miller Rose games, returning to the 992 00:59:21,640 --> 00:59:25,920 Armory where you had tons of success during, you know, Nike 993 00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:29,440 indoor nationals. So what's got you super excited 994 00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:31,240 about this opportunity? There's a rematch with with 995 00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,440 Doris also like. Let's go. 996 00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,040 That's awesome. I didn't even know that. 997 00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:39,000 Yeah, it'll be fun to see that field when it comes out. 998 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:43,520 But yeah, I mean the three Ki love that distance. 999 00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:48,440 I've only like run around it or like I've only run 13K. 1000 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:52,320 I've run a few 2 miles. But like that is such a fun 1001 00:59:52,320 --> 00:59:55,960 distance to run. And so I think it will be the 1002 00:59:57,320 --> 01:00:01,200 the great, a perfect mix of like speed, but also a little bit of 1003 01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:04,320 endurance and like having that competitive feel. 1004 01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:07,080 That's going to be so much fun. And the Armory is absolutely 1005 01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,240 electric. Such an amazing track and so. 1006 01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:13,120 Really looking forward to my time at Melrose and and getting 1007 01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:17,040 the opportunity to compete. Are you aware of like what 1008 01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:21,080 collegiate records are, what you know, where the American records 1009 01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,160 are, or are those things that you just sort of learned 1010 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:27,880 sometimes, like after the fact? Yeah, I don't, I don't look into 1011 01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,720 them honestly. Like sometimes I'll, I'll know 1012 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:36,480 like the 5K 'cause I feel like the 5K is such like a, I don't 1013 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,520 know, such a, a standard race, I guess of like, wow, that's, 1014 01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,840 that's huge. Like Parker Valby ran this or 1015 01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,760 Doris ran this or whatever. So I, I knew, knew what the 5K 1016 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,240 record was. But outside of that, no, I don't 1017 01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:53,680 really look. I don't really look into that at 1018 01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:55,400 all. And then live in the moment 1019 01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,040 during a race, like, are you attuned to like what the splits 1020 01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:59,600 are telling you? Or is it just sort of like I'm 1021 01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,640 not going to do math? Well, I feel like that depends 1022 01:01:02,640 --> 01:01:07,040 like because, and if I'm out there running alone, yes, 1023 01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:09,080 definitely I'm going to look into this blitz then I don't 1024 01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,560 like overcook myself in the first half or, or not run fast 1025 01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:16,520 enough. But yeah, I guess it, I guess it 1026 01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:19,960 just depends. But definitely want to have a a 1027 01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:22,920 good race plan coming in every time and work with coach Taylor 1028 01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:27,560 on like what that should be and, and what like how I kind of want 1029 01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,960 to be feeling and like what we want to accomplish and take away 1030 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,400 from this race. So yeah. 1031 01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,840 All right, so here's a maybe a tough question. 1032 01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:37,760 What do you think's your best event right now? 1033 01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:42,440 Because you know, you ran this record setting 5K, you're gonna 1034 01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:46,120 run, you know, I would assume really well in this 3K. 1035 01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:49,800 Then also you just split an anchor leg on ADMR. What was it, 1036 01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:51,480 427 I think. Right. 1037 01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,960 Yeah, I think so, yeah. And so like, you know, you've 1038 01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,480 showcased what you can also do in the mile. 1039 01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,120 Like what what do you think's your best event? 1040 01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:02,760 And like, do you have a favorite event? 1041 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,720 They there's a chance like they're not the same thing. 1042 01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:10,080 Yeah, honestly, like it's just so fun to be able to get to do 1043 01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:13,960 so many different events, like, and to kind of see that range. 1044 01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,120 Like that's something that inspires me so much about Riley 1045 01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,080 Chamberlain. One of my teammates is her range 1046 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:25,160 is actually insane. Like she can RIP an insane 800 1047 01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:30,000 meter and like so, so good and she can also break 15 in the 5K 1048 01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:34,400 like it is so impressive. And so I just think not limiting 1049 01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:39,000 yourself to like, oh, I just do this one event or like I'm just 1050 01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:43,440 long distance, whatever. Like I I just am really excited 1051 01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:46,280 to jump in as many events as I can. 1052 01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:50,120 Probably probably the shortest I'd go would be like a 1500 mile 1053 01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:53,320 type of situation. But yeah, I mean, I, I want to 1054 01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:57,560 try 10K this year and like maybe that maybe that opportunity will 1055 01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,120 present itself depending on like what Coach Taylor wants. 1056 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,880 But I just think, yeah, I want to try it all. 1057 01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,520 So yeah, I if you just notice it's like your 800 VR is 2O5, 1058 01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,800 like there's a chance you could get even closer to 2 flat. 1059 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,280 True, yeah, that two O 5 is not not the best but. 1060 01:03:14,600 --> 01:03:17,560 Yeah, it's done in pro vote, so like altitude and everything. 1061 01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,080 Yeah. Up. 1062 01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,160 I guess I want to hear just sort of your favorite thing and least 1063 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,680 favorite thing about, you know, the mile and then the 5K. 1064 01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,160 So let's start with the mile. Favorite thing about the mile 1065 01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:33,280 and least favorite thing? OK, my favorite thing is you 1066 01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:35,280 don't really have to think like beforehand. 1067 01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:39,560 I feel like you can just trust that like it's going to be fast 1068 01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,040 and it's going to be hard. And I'm, I'm going to put my 1069 01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:45,040 self out there and like see where it puts me. 1070 01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:47,280 And like I think that's so exciting. 1071 01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:52,480 It goes by so incredibly fast. And I do love a longer race and 1072 01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:57,000 more tactics and stuff. But there is something special 1073 01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:00,880 about just having that mile be so short and like not 1074 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,520 overcomplicate that. And then my least favorite thing 1075 01:04:04,520 --> 01:04:08,640 is just I feel like how much pacing, at least for me 1076 01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:13,000 personally, like how much pacing can sometimes come back to get 1077 01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:16,360 me. Like for example, for that DMR 1078 01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:21,080 leg when I ran the mile, like I just start out too fast. 1079 01:04:21,080 --> 01:04:24,560 And then it really caught up to me in those last like 2 laps. 1080 01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:28,960 And so I just think, yeah, sometimes in the with the ways 1081 01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:33,400 I, I choose to race and stuff, I can just overcook myself. 1082 01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:38,400 And so that's probably my least favorite thing is like if, if 1083 01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,760 you cross that line, there's no coming back, I guess. 1084 01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,800 Well, also I think you you had to deal with like such a weird 1085 01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,160 size. I guess it is your home indoor 1086 01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:48,920 track but it's such a weird size. 1087 01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,560 Totally. Yeah, it's fun. 1088 01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:55,000 All right then, 5K favorite thing and least favorite thing. 1089 01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:59,640 OK, favorite thing is like, I feel like it's honestly like the 1090 01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:03,920 perfect distance where you can find that rhythm and kind of 1091 01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:09,080 settle in, but then still have a lot of race left to tune it down 1092 01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,840 and like see where, see what you can do, I guess. 1093 01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:16,240 And so that's really exciting. And I also love racing a 5K 1094 01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:17,600 against others. Like I feel like it's the 1095 01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:22,480 perfect distance to compete and like be able to make moves and 1096 01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:27,040 like key off one another. And so I love that aspect of it. 1097 01:05:29,000 --> 01:05:34,000 And my least favorite, honestly, I've loved the five Ki haven't 1098 01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:38,800 run it enough to like at least on the track to like have a 1099 01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:41,440 strong opinion on something I dislike about it. 1100 01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:47,440 I feel like in the longer events specifically, like regardless of 1101 01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:52,200 how you I don't erase it, like your stomach is just going to be 1102 01:05:52,200 --> 01:05:54,840 wrecked for like the next day or two. 1103 01:05:55,360 --> 01:05:58,800 So that's probably my least favorite thing, but it also is 1104 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:04,200 like so like that's how you know you ran it well is if if you're 1105 01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:08,360 have like your stomach, you just are not in a great spot like 1106 01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:13,040 that's it's it's awesome. So I don't know, probably that, 1107 01:06:13,040 --> 01:06:16,160 but I do really love both events, both the mile and the 1108 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:17,360 5K. Yeah. 1109 01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:18,840 So no favorite between the two yet. 1110 01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:23,040 Probably, I'd say probably my favorite's the 5K. 1111 01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:27,640 But yeah, I'm excited to hop in more because I've only ran like 1112 01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:29,880 3 so. Yeah. 1113 01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,720 All right, Jane. Well, I appreciate you taking 1114 01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:35,600 the time to do this podcast. And then in addition to that, 1115 01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:38,960 congratulations on just like all of the success that 2025 brought 1116 01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:41,520 you. And I'm sure you've got more in 1117 01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:45,200 store in 2026 and it's been really, really exciting to 1118 01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:46,600 watch. 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