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I became a big track fan after 19 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:57,680 the Paris Olympics and listening to this pod on my runs kept my 20 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,000 interest in the sport beyond the Olympic year. 21 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,640 I loved all of the up to date, fresh episodes during the World 22 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,000 Champs to process my own post race thoughts and emotions for 23 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,120 the still relatively niche sport which you guys are about to 24 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,640 change. I can't imagine the work and 25 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,560 exhaustion that goes behind making these episodes and 26 00:01:15,560 --> 00:01:19,040 athlete interviews on the field. 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Marathon weekends are a ton of 32 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,400 fun for us, especially when we get to meet and interact with 33 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,800 all of you since we're constantly in your ears. 34 00:01:38,960 --> 00:01:41,040 We are so grateful for the support. 35 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,240 If you want your review to be read and you want to support the 36 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:47,120 show, leave us a review on Apple Podcast today. 37 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,800 My guest for today's episode is Connor Mance, the new American 38 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,960 record holder in the marathon. On a crisp October morning in 39 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:04,480 Chicago, Connor ran two O 443, smashing Khalid Canuchi's 23 40 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,240 year old mark and becoming the fastest American ever over 26.2 41 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,160 miles. It's a record that survived 42 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:13,480 generations of greats from MEB Kiplesky to Ryan Hall to Galen 43 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:17,680 Rupp, but Connor Mance, the soft spoken racing assassin, made it 44 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,600 a reality. If you've caught all of Connor's 45 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,520 post marathon recap episodes that we've done, you'll notice 46 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,360 that he carries that same naive faith that once made him think 47 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:31,040 that he could win NCAA titles and make Olympic teams to this 48 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,280 marathon race. It's the same inner voice that 49 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,840 still says that he can win a world marathon major someday or 50 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:40,480 medal at the 2028 Olympics. We talk about what it means to 51 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,760 finally get that record, how the race played out in great detail 52 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,480 into something truly historic, and the proof of what hard work 53 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,800 and self belief can do to you. Connor Mance is America's 54 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,560 fastest marathoner, and he joins me right here, right now on the 55 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:09,960 City of Smack podcast. All right, we've been waiting 56 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:14,960 for this one for a while and now I finally get to introduce my 57 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,800 recurring Co host on this show, Connor Manz, as the American 58 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:25,160 record holder in the marathon after running 20443 at the 2025 59 00:03:25,480 --> 00:03:27,360 Bank of America Chicago Marathon. 60 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,560 Connor, how's that feel now you've had a couple days to let 61 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,480 it settle in? You know it, it feels great, but 62 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,400 I don't think it's really set either. 63 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:41,640 Either it hasn't set in yet or it wasn't as big as I thought it 64 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,280 was going to be. So we'll see. 65 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:46,840 All right. I think the way just sort of 66 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:51,720 I've learned from hearing you do these marathon recaps with me is 67 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,640 that something like that, it's just like you're the fastest 68 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:58,480 American marathoner in history. That the way you analyze 69 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,680 performance is and set your own standards for success, that you 70 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:05,640 are going to try and keep that framed in your mind as an 71 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:07,680 identity. And less so is just like an 72 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:11,440 achievement and trying to keep that carrying on to the next 73 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,920 sort of performance where, yeah, I mean, now you've got that 74 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,920 title and you want to hold on to that for as long as possible. 75 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:21,480 Yeah, I definitely feel like I'm trying to. 76 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:27,000 I'll try and hold on is the Yeah, American record holder as 77 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:28,880 long as possible, but it it's going to be hard. 78 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:32,440 There's a lot of really good guys in the marathon right now. 79 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:33,880 We're guys moving to the marathon. 80 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,480 So hopefully it lasts long because I, I run faster. 81 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,240 But yeah, you don't. You don't really know who's how 82 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:46,480 fit everybody else is. OK, so I told you right before 83 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,920 we started recording, I've got the splits all in front of me. 84 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,960 I've got your Strava, which includes A-1000 word essay that 85 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:56,360 you typed up and then a list of questions. 86 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:57,240 Yeah. You didn't know it was that 87 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:58,880 long. Was that all done on your phone, 88 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:01,640 like during drug testing or like how did you, when did you put 89 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:05,000 this whole thing together? No, I know it was it was done on 90 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,320 my phone. It was done on my phone. 91 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,840 I wish I I just pulled out my laptop. 92 00:05:09,840 --> 00:05:13,080 My wife was still asleep and the next day and I had woken up and 93 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,000 I don't know, after a marathon, I have trouble sleeping. 94 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:19,120 I have more trouble sleeping after them before. 95 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:25,080 Just legs are hurting, my feet hurt, My, my, my head hurts. 96 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:29,920 You know, I have had a massive, like headache after and it 97 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:31,920 really hits. I feel like that next morning. 98 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,200 So I woke up and I was like, I want to go to the other room 99 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,840 because she's like, she could tell I was away. 100 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,000 She's like go like somewhere else. 101 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:43,480 And so I laughed. And yeah, it just, yeah. 102 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,800 Well, the thoughts are fresh. You mean you might as well just 103 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,280 get them on paper? Yeah, yeah, they were fresh. 104 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:50,920 My mind was probably not going in the right direction, you 105 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,600 know? All right, so hopefully this 106 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:57,000 helps 'cause I like just kind of walking through these entire 107 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,440 races with you. So let's pick up, I guess where 108 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:03,960 we left off, you know, from our last podcast episode a week ago 109 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:07,640 where you know, you're, you're carrying this, this quiet 110 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,320 confidence. You called your shot in this 111 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,480 back in June when you signed up for for the race and they 112 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,080 announced you and you get to Chicago now. 113 00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:21,760 Does it feel like it is louder than it's ever been in this 114 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:24,040 whole entire build up? And you, you did bring it upon 115 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,440 yourself. Right, right. 116 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,760 It definitely felt louder than anyone except for the Olympic 117 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:32,280 Trials. I think the Olympic trials 118 00:06:32,280 --> 00:06:37,160 marathon was that one was louder and there was a lot of pressure. 119 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:40,160 I mean, for this one, I don't get the American record. 120 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,040 I can, I can shoot for, you know, four to six months. 121 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,240 But in the Olympic trials, you know you don't make, you don't, 122 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,680 you don't make the Olympic team. You got to wait another four 123 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:54,160 years to try again so. And then from there, I guess, 124 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:58,080 like you were still keeping the cards very close to your chest, 125 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,600 you told us that you had some goals that you weren't going to 126 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,360 share until after the race. And so it comes out later on. 127 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:10,040 It was to run under 2O four and to podium, right? 128 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:11,520 Right. Right. 129 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,440 And then the pace, you even kept that close to your chest until 130 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:20,480 the pace meeting happens and it then I guess comes out. 131 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,960 I, I put it out there on Twitter that you were gonna plan to go 132 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,960 through in 62 flat through halfway with your pacer. 133 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:32,600 But even before that, like there were just sort of some technical 134 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,600 elements that needed to be figured out there because the 135 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:38,800 Chicago Marathon brought in, you know, a pacer just for you. 136 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:41,840 But then you, I guess, ultimately decided to, you know, 137 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:44,520 try and work him into a bigger group, right. 138 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:45,960 So what was that behind the scenes? 139 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:50,240 So coach and I started talking about it a little bit more of 140 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:53,720 the week of we had originally thought 6215. 141 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:58,920 And then if I'm feeling good, I can I can run a lot faster the 142 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:03,200 second-half, which, you know, it shows that we were both pretty 143 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:08,680 confident, but also not too confident because you know, it's 144 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:12,040 it's yeah, you don't want to go out and 62 flat and blow up. 145 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:17,440 So we had been talking about it and then I, I brought up I just 146 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,440 felt more comfortable running in a big pack. 147 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,800 Like what I wanted was a pack of us together. 148 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,560 Because I know if I have a pack of 10, it's more likely that one 149 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,080 of those guys is going to hold on and we're going to work 150 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,240 together throughout the, the ending of the race. 151 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:37,520 And then, you know, 24 miles to 25 miles per race to the finish. 152 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,320 That was why I was wanting, I didn't want the pacer just for 153 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,000 me. I'd rather have a group of us 154 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,440 together. Also, I think if you have a 155 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:48,240 group together, you don't have to be the one to go to the pacer 156 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,200 and say, hey, speed up or hey, slow down. 157 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:52,280 You can just like we're all running together. 158 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:55,920 Somebody will notice something. And if not, we can all just like 159 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,080 kind of as a pack yo-yo with the pacer. 160 00:08:59,560 --> 00:09:01,800 And did you know who was going to be in that pack? 161 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,520 Because in your Strava recap, you said Bashir Abdi and Joffrey 162 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,280 Kenmore told you at the start that they were going to go for 163 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:10,720 62. So like even up until race 164 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,160 morning, you didn't quite, you knew that this might be 165 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,480 appealing to some other people, but you didn't quite know who 166 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:17,480 was going to go with it. Right, right. 167 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,720 I'd heard of, I heard Cam Moore was going to, I started to talk 168 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:23,360 to him. I think there's another one of 169 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:26,480 the global, global sports who talked to me and said another 170 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,480 one of their guys was, I wasn't sure if that was Muhammad ASA or 171 00:09:30,680 --> 00:09:32,800 or if it was somebody else. I don't know. 172 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,160 And then I still went around and asked all these athletes 173 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,480 individually. And then Kenmore and Kenmore 174 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:42,000 said he was going to go with me and then somebody else, the 175 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,840 other global sports athletes, I wish I knew exactly which one it 176 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:47,600 was. He asked him and he said no, 177 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,800 he's gone with the top pack. And I I'm not actually, I wasn't 178 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,880 sure on the name. Sometimes the accents and the 179 00:09:54,880 --> 00:10:01,800 names that the accents of the global sports team plus the, the 180 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:06,400 names that I don't know super well kind of kind of goes in one 181 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:09,040 ear and not the other. I don't even hear it as well. 182 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:11,000 So. I can try and look it up for 183 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,960 you. It's from the NN team, right? 184 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:17,320 Is that who you're referring to? So they had it looks like 185 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:22,920 Mohammed Hussein Mohammed. Yeah, OK, OK. 186 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,360 They had Joffrey, Kim Moore, and you may have had one more. 187 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:29,840 That's all I'm seeing on their Instagram. 188 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:36,160 No, no, I think it was Mohammed and I think he's on his baby, 189 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,840 said ESA. So I that's why I kept saying 190 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,840 ASA in I recap. But. 191 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:42,560 Yeah. Well, I think that's what he's 192 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:43,840 listed in the results too. Yeah. 193 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:45,400 Hussein Mohammed ASA. OK. 194 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:47,160 All right. Mohammed, ASA, OK. 195 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,760 So that was that was your crew who decided to go with you that 196 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:53,160 morning. That that would I, that had been 197 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,200 what I heard going in. And then I didn't ask everybody. 198 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,920 I kind of expected Daniel and Benyo to go with us, but I 199 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,960 wasn't sure. And Rory had talked about it. 200 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,920 And then morning of the race, we were chatting and he was like, I 201 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:08,760 think I'm going to go with the 6230 crew, be a little bit more 202 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:11,280 conservative and like, that's fine. 203 00:11:13,240 --> 00:11:15,440 But I ended up being a pretty, pretty big pack. 204 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,040 Yeah. All right, so the moments before 205 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:23,200 the race goes off, you did talk, I guess, in your strawberry cap 206 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:27,000 about just sort of calming the nerves series of prayers with 207 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,400 your former BYU teammates. But how are you actually like 208 00:11:30,560 --> 00:11:32,640 feeling before the moments before the race? 209 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,960 The hour leading up I was pretty, I was kind of, I was 210 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:40,200 pretty nervous. I said that a lot in the like 211 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,800 days leading up, but the hour before I was getting pretty 212 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:47,000 nervous and then I warmed up and I was warming up with Jared Ward 213 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,000 and, and a few of the other BYU guys were just chatting. 214 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:56,400 Jared was pacing Casey and the 64 minute group and it was just 215 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,680 like nice to just chat and run and not be thinking too much 216 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:02,080 about it. And I kind of was, I was brought 217 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:06,040 back a little bit to the on the trials mentally and I was like, 218 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,600 oh, like I was so much more nervous for that race. 219 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:11,520 I was like shaking on the warm up, like shivering because of 220 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:15,600 nerves and I didn't feel that this time. 221 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,320 Yeah, I feel like people always reference that just sort of in, 222 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,640 in, in the multiple times we've done these shows. 223 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,800 Like we always go back to just the feelings before the trials 224 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,680 and just how rattled, you know, you were up until when the gun 225 00:12:28,680 --> 00:12:31,640 goes off and then your mind just kind of gets focused on the 226 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,760 race. And so in Chicago, race goes off 227 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,960 4:30 first mile. It is, you know, the part of the 228 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,680 course with the skyscrapers. You can't really trust your GPS. 229 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:47,200 But you, this wasn't even GPS. This is like the actual lap 230 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,280 split. What are you thinking? 231 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,120 There's a tailwind, So maybe it's not as bad. 232 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,320 But you know, you look down at your watch and you see that 233 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:56,600 you're going that fast like immediately is it? 234 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,200 I got to pump the brakes a little bit. 235 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:03,040 Yeah, yeah, 100%. Well, that whole first smile, I 236 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,040 was like, this feels a lot faster than marathon pace. 237 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:10,560 So I know today's either going to be really hard or like we're 238 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:12,800 going quick. And I should have trusted my 239 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,720 like internal pace And I thought maybe I hadn't warmed up enough 240 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,360 because I didn't do I think I only did like 2 hard strides and 241 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:24,000 like a 32nd pick up. It was probably a little slower 242 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,400 than marathon pace. So I hadn't done as much of A 243 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:29,960 like a warm up. So I was as I do for workout. 244 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,920 So I was like, maybe I just needed to warm up more. 245 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:34,680 Yeah. Then we hit the mile marker and 246 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:38,520 it was like, OK, that's comforting, but this is way too 247 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:40,400 quick. So I was, I was like right 248 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:45,360 behind my pace setters and like kind of up front in the group, 249 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:48,080 and I just slowed immediately to the back of the pack. 250 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:50,440 So I was like, I know this is too fast. 251 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:53,800 I felt this was too fast. I was not ready to go this fast, 252 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:58,840 but like I can I can make up a couple seconds by slowing down 253 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:01,520 this next mile and maybe running in the back of this pack. 254 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,960 Definitely got the anxiety a little higher than I wanted it 255 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:10,120 to in the first mile. And then I think it's the next 256 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,920 key moment that happens. I mean, from there you do manage 257 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:17,040 to hit the brakes a bit and settle in, in, you know, mile 258 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:19,720 2/3. Was it that first, you know, 259 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:22,800 bottle station that this moment happens that has gone viral, I 260 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:27,720 think at this point where Zuhair Talbi's bottle gets knocked off 261 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,560 and you end up sharing your bottle with him. 262 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:34,920 I saw this post, I think on Instagram Stories. 263 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,560 I was like, oh, this shows the kind of person that Conor Mance 264 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,440 really is. And I just also personally think 265 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,880 that it just speaks to the marathon being this strange 266 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,880 sport where there's community within competition. 267 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,240 But what was what was that moment in your vantage point 268 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:52,360 throughout that whole entire thing? 269 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:54,360 This is actually kind of a funny story. 270 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,440 I am. I'm usually more so I usually 271 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,320 only fill up my bottles to 250 millilitres because that's like 272 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:05,040 the highest mark on them. And then I'll have I'll have the 273 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:09,160 marks of where like I'm supposed to drink to and that's almost 274 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,640 the bottom. But then the when we were 275 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,080 filling, when I was filling out the bottles or my bottles the 276 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,360 day before, I was like, no, I'm just going to, I'm going to fill 277 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,000 up a little more. Like I'm going to fill up to the 278 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,160 very top, which is like probably 300mm. 279 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,640 Still not that much to share. I was kind of doing that as a 280 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,840 like, I don't know why this, this isn't like me, but, and I 281 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,000 the last time I did this, I over drank and then I had issues with 282 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:35,240 my stomach. So I was like, but I really had 283 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:36,800 AI. Don't know. 284 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,240 I'd call it a spiritual prompting. 285 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:43,520 People might call it otherwise. But yeah, just a feeling. 286 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,320 I need to fill out my bottles a little extra. 287 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,640 And so that was kind of a, a cool thing leading into the 288 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,440 race. But then, yeah, I took my first 289 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,720 bottle. I drank, I didn't drink very 290 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:54,240 much. And then Zuhair was like, hey, 291 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,320 man, my I missed my bottle. Or he said, is that Morton? 292 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,960 And I was like, yeah, and he's like, I missed my bottle, can I 293 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:03,400 share? And I was like, sure. 294 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:08,480 So I, I drank about half of it. I was looking at it, you know, 295 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,840 trying to figure out the lines and stuff and then handed it to 296 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,280 him. Unfortunately, I mean, I think I 297 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,720 might have written this down somewhere else, but it happened 298 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:22,160 again later in the race too. I felt like that. 299 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,720 That's a bummer. And so I, I didn't drink as much 300 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:31,240 as I originally planned to, but I, I went in pretty well fueled. 301 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,600 And so I was like, oh, I'd probably find I can drink a 302 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:36,040 little more extra on the next bottle. 303 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,680 But yeah, like you said, it's about the like the community of 304 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,680 the marathon, like Zuhair and I, I consider him a good, like a 305 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:49,200 friend and a good competitor. So it's, it's hard to say like 306 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:54,520 no to anybody. But the big thing is like in a 307 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,960 in this is in the most completely selfish way, I could 308 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,760 say it like I wanted the more people around me the last 10 309 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:06,800 miles, the better. And so, like, if I can help 310 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:10,839 Zuhair, like, like in the littlest way, by helping him 311 00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:13,599 with fueling, he might be helping me pace the last few 312 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:16,800 miles. And I'm sure he'd be just happy 313 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:19,280 to, you know, it's, it's just how the marathon goes. 314 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:22,319 Real quick and we're going to jump around I think a little bit 315 00:17:22,319 --> 00:17:24,480 between some listener questions that were submitted via 316 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,560 Instagram, but a bunch of people did ask sort of your fueling 317 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:29,320 strategy in this one. Did it? 318 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,480 Is anything different and what was it, I guess you know, in 319 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,840 this one versus Boston? This was, this was pretty 320 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:41,120 similar to Boston, I think I, I'd, I tried drinking a little 321 00:17:41,120 --> 00:17:44,640 bit more this time was that was kind of my strategy. 322 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:46,720 So how much are you aiming to try and get down? 323 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:54,760 200 millilitres of Morton's 3/23/20 and I had some caffeine 324 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:59,880 ones in there, so but going back and forth, you know, yeah, I 325 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:01,840 think actually, no, I think most of them at the end were 326 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,280 caffeine. But yeah, the first ones were 327 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,840 all in normal. The City of Smack podcast is 328 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:10,880 presented by Gnomeo. 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And it, it really, I don't know 390 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,800 why, like it might be we just practice with somebody riding a 391 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,400 bike next to us and just get the bottles. 392 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,800 And like the whole group of us has had that benefit. 393 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,720 We've only had one. So we've picked him up off of 394 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:45,120 anything. But that was, I mean, there 395 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,800 were, I don't know if I mentioned this, but I felt like 396 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,880 there were enough little things that are that I can improve on 397 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,160 in training that I can, you know, help me with my next 398 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:57,360 marathon. And that was one of them. 399 00:21:57,360 --> 00:22:00,600 I feel like I've, I've never struggled with slowing down to 400 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,920 get a bottle, but this time, especially, especially the 10K 401 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:10,560 marker, I, I can't probably like four or five, six seconds back 402 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,760 around 10K and it was, you know, there was a little bit of 403 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,440 crowding, but then I like, I also slowed down to like make 404 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:21,160 sure I grab my bottle. And yeah, I, I maybe just should 405 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,560 have been like, let's go, you know, grab it quickly. 406 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,320 But I had to do a lot of surging back and forth to to make it up. 407 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,960 God bless Todd Garner for biking alongside you for all of those 408 00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:33,880 training races. But it's like, maybe I guess we 409 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,560 need more table practice in the in the next build up. 410 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:41,280 OK 10K bottle station is a notable point because you slowed 411 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,040 down and then it took a surge to reconnect. 412 00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:48,400 Bashir Abdi ends up being the guide to help help you reconnect 413 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,360 but also just calm your stress in that moment. 414 00:22:51,360 --> 00:22:54,560 What happened there? Yeah, So I, I connected to like 415 00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:58,120 the back of the pack and I started moving up and this year 416 00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:01,200 turns to me because it seemed like a move was made by the 417 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:02,800 pacemakers. But I think it was because they 418 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,880 saw, they might have just saw our 10K split and then like, oh, 419 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:10,080 we just went like 1424 or whatever. 420 00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:14,840 And then now we're at like 2920. So they realized they've gone, 421 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,160 they've gone slow for the whole 5K. 422 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,600 And that's what I'm assuming happened, especially because we 423 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,040 still had a tailwind at that point. 424 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,320 So like, that was that was part of the course. 425 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,760 We should have been running faster talking to the guys in 426 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:32,920 the second or the third pack. They they were saying that they 427 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:37,240 were just catching us making up a lot of gap in that moment. 428 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,440 But yeah, the sheer turns to me and he's like, hey, like, like, 429 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:42,880 don't go with them or you'll die. 430 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,760 And I was like, oh, OK, like, good to know. 431 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,200 And then like, immediate, not immediately, but like a minute 432 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,200 later, the paces had kind of gotten back into a pace of 433 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,160 rhythm and we were up next to him. 434 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:58,400 I kind of got crowded again. So it was, it was funny that he 435 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,320 like, it's like, like, calm down, you're fine. 436 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:05,400 And then, yeah, I guess he just has a lot more experience. 437 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,480 It's kind of wild how like in reading your recap and seeing 438 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,760 the names around you throughout, like all these different splits, 439 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,520 it's like these super accomplished marathoners who 440 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,960 have won majors or meddled at the Olympics or had great 441 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,800 success at these places, like were the supporting cast to help 442 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,880 make this whole entire record happen. 443 00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,040 Oh, absolutely. It's, it's really cool to have, 444 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,760 you know, when you're respected by the international guys that 445 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:36,400 that makes you feel pretty good. I don't know if I'd completely 446 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,320 earned the respect of those international guys. 447 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,840 I think you did. I, I, I think I have, I think I 448 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:47,240 did this past weekend maybe. But yeah, they're very, very 449 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:48,920 supportive. And that was, that was cool. 450 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,760 You know, like they're from all these different countries too. 451 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:55,240 It's not like they're all like Kenyan or, or they're all 452 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,440 Ethiopian. I mean, it was pretty cool to 453 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,040 look around in the pack and be like others. 454 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:03,320 Saifu, who won it in 2021. And then there's Shiragi, 210 455 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,240 Olympic medalist, there's Jeffrey Kammor. 456 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,360 There's a lot. And there was Brian Catoot. 457 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,880 He was right. He was right next to me, too. 458 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,520 And so it was. It was fun to have that whole 459 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,600 group there. You've spoken in the past about, 460 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,120 like, becoming too analytical in the middle of the race. 461 00:25:22,120 --> 00:25:25,160 In the marathon, There's a lot of time to think, to crunch 462 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,640 numbers, splits, math, all that kind of stuff. 463 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:33,640 What where in this race was the point where you were toeing the 464 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:38,080 line between kind of, you know, having control over that kind of 465 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,600 stuff, but then also surrendering to just, you know, 466 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:46,200 what is happening around you and letting the race happen? 467 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,200 Or did you feel like the whole entire time your brain was 468 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,800 firing on, you know, trying to do math? 469 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,880 My my brain was trying to do math, but I kept for most of the 470 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:01,920 race, but I kept trying to just shut it down. 10 Ki realized, 471 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,120 yeah, we ran about a 15 minute 5K. 472 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,960 That's not great, but I was like, but we're still probably 473 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:14,200 under pace And and I I didn't, I tried to stay pretty calm as 474 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:20,920 long as all our miles were under we're at or around American 475 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,040 record pace. So it's like, yes, I I knew that 476 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,200 we had a lot of miles slower than the two O 4 pace, but in my 477 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,640 mind it wasn't worth it to go up to the Pacers and tell them to 478 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:38,480 speed up or to push the pace of the pack unless I was like 479 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:43,160 really confident like, and I'm never going to, I'm never going 480 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,000 to say I'm that confident 12 miles into a marathon or 10 481 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,400 miles into a marathon. So. 482 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:52,360 But at 10, you almost did. 10 I almost did, but I didn't because 483 00:26:52,360 --> 00:26:56,840 I thought I I then again was like, I'll give it another mile 484 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,880 or two because I know we're underpays. 485 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,880 I just had to keep thinking that 430 mile must have like that put 486 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,360 us like 16 seconds under at least American record phase. 487 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:13,240 But yeah, I was, it was I was really trying not to think about 488 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:14,920 it too much. But then you know, every 489 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,680 kilometer marker I was like, OK, what is with how many kilometers 490 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:23,800 we have left? If I run 3 minute case, So at 491 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,080 like whatever 42 minus whatever K mark run at multiply it by 492 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:33,200 three, add 4040 seconds. And that's how that's how I 493 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,640 would finish their in three minute case the rest of the way. 494 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,560 That's your BYU degree coming to work, right? 495 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,840 Now that's that's the most engineering I do now. 496 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,720 It's not even engineering. It's just like, it's like 5th 497 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:49,920 grade math. All right, so then let's we're 498 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,400 getting to the halfway point. That's when the 6230 Pace group 499 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,320 catches up. Rory's there. 500 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,680 You mentioned that you had a little bit of a chat with him. 501 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,160 What was said there? So we, we had a prayer before 502 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,480 the race. I kind of mentioned that. 503 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,040 And he, he was just like, it's a blessed day. 504 00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,280 And I said something like, I knew you'd catch up. 505 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,560 I knew you'd be with me soon. And I mean, we did have some 506 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,840 like we had two miles and like the mid to low four 50s. 507 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,840 So it was like, I'm not, I wasn't surprised they caught up. 508 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:25,920 But yeah, that was, that was about it. 509 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,720 Like, and then I said something like tuck in, like we're about 510 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,720 to go into a headwind. And I actually didn't see him 511 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,360 again after that, but I I could hear people cheering for him for 512 00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:38,760 quite a while. It was there any kind of thought 513 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,080 of like the 6230 pace group has caught up? 514 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:45,000 You know, we go through the half marathon point in. 515 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,200 Let's see, what was it exactly? It was. 516 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,160 It was. 6220. Yeah, and you felt, hey, we're, 517 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,520 we're still good. Yeah, yeah. 518 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:58,720 I mean, it was a little like I one thing I really wanted to 519 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:04,200 work on was not panicking ever, not not thinking about outcomes, 520 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,880 even though I was thinking about him quite a bit, but trying to 521 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,400 think about him less and not not getting anxious. 522 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,360 I knew Wesley Kipty was probably in my pack because he was in 523 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:22,000 that 6230 pack when I had it. I mean, I see I you can look at 524 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,760 Alex Messiah Strava, like Kitty was in great shape. 525 00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,160 And so when they caught up, I was like, Dang, like, that's a 526 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,240 bummer because we ran all these fast miles just to run really 527 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,720 slow from I was 10 and 12 and have them catch up. 528 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,760 And it would have been better for me to. 529 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:41,400 I was like, it was better for me to go on that other pack because 530 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,520 they were more consistent, I think. 531 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,520 But it was, I mean, there's nothing I could really do. 532 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:52,920 It was like, you just got like, all right, now it's just racing 533 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,600 the rest of the way. But I did have a little like a 534 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,320 quick thought of oh crap, like Wesley has an advantage over you 535 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,200 because he just pasted it better. 536 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,160 And 24 hours before the news comes out that he's representing 537 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,240 the United States. Yeah, I had known for about a 538 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:12,720 month, OK, maybe like 3 weeks. Rory had told me about it. 539 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,960 And so I I, I mean, as I was meeting with a sports 540 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,320 psychologist, it was like, all right, like this is in my mind 541 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,160 because now it's not just breaking the record, it's. 542 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,040 I have to make sure I beat Wesley as well. 543 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,880 Like, and there's other Americans that. 544 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,400 Yeah, I, I heard we're in great shape and you were in the race 545 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,600 and you never know how, you never really know how fit Rep 546 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,840 is. So it's like, you know, I, I 547 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,480 eventually just had to be like, I can't worry about those guys. 548 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:42,360 But yes, Wesley was on my mind and knowing he was there, it was 549 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:47,080 like, oh crap, like did I just like give this guy an advantage 550 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,880 over me? And now I have now I just have 551 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:54,320 to beat him because I'm pretty sure I'm going to run under. 552 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,320 I was pretty sure at that point I was going to run under two O 553 00:30:57,320 --> 00:31:01,280 538. Now I had to make sure I beat 554 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:06,720 Wesley to the line. 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All things considered, this had 593 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,600 to have been like the most stressful marathon for you. 594 00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,960 Not as much as the trials. Yeah. 595 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,800 Oh, I guess like in at the trials, there was a point where 596 00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,360 you and Clayton, I guess cleared daylight on the rest of the 597 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,320 competition. And then, yes, you were hurting, 598 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:28,040 but you had to hold on. But this one just felt like 599 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,560 there were so many little things here that you've mentioned 600 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,320 already, the water stations, the pace, you know, slipping and, 601 00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:39,920 you know, just in general the the pressure that even this is 602 00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,400 right up there in terms of just like the this would take a 603 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,640 bigger toll, I think on most athletes than than the trials. 604 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,040 Yeah, I could see that. I I think I came in better 605 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,560 mentally prepared for this one though. 606 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:56,920 Now we get to around mile 19. You described a moment of doubt 607 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,400 and like this whisper of just like it might not be my day. 608 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,360 How do you move past that once that shows up mentally? 609 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,800 For that one was a little tough because I don't know whatever 610 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:11,400 mile was in. Yeah, OK. 611 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:16,000 I don't know what my mile was in that mile 19. 19 According to 612 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:22,080 your Strava, you wrote down 443. OK so during that mile we get 613 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:26,159 our 30K bottles and you know I slowed down a little bit at 614 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:27,639 every bottle station. I slowed down. 615 00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:32,840 I get my bottle and I look up and Cam War is gone and I forgot 616 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,600 who went with him. I wasn't actually sure. 617 00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:35,960 Who was Bashir Abdi? Yeah. 618 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,320 Well, it was before Bashir went with him, so Cam war went. 619 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:44,880 Alex Messiah was with him and then it might have been Hussein, 620 00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,440 Mohammed, ASA, but it might have been somebody else. 621 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:49,880 I'm not sure. It was him, yeah. 622 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,600 Yeah, OK. And so those three had gone and 623 00:34:55,639 --> 00:35:00,280 I was the next guy. And Bashir is like Bashir comes 624 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,920 up next to me and he's like, hey, like we got to catch them. 625 00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:07,400 Like they probably had 20 meters, 15 meters, not not that 626 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,960 far. But it was like it was a good 627 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,040 enough gap that like, and it formed pretty quickly. 628 00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,960 And I'm like trying to get my bottle in this years like let's 629 00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:19,400 go, let's go catch them. And Cam war was moving and I was 630 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,360 like crap, like I must be running really slow because 631 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,360 these guys got me like that. Like half of this was at the 632 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,040 bottle station, half of it was out as I was drinking my 633 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,080 bottles. I didn't even notice when the 634 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,480 second pacer dropped off from somewhere between 25K and 30K. 635 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,920 And I was like, oh man, these guys are like these guys are 636 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,600 holding pace and I'm I'm dying. And then I moved with, but she 637 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,880 was like, let's catch him. I kind of went with Bashir. 638 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:46,920 He's going a little quicker than I could go caught up. 639 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,240 It was like a bouncy ball. I caught up or any ball. 640 00:35:50,240 --> 00:35:56,000 I as soon as I can't caught to the back of this year or I was 641 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:57,600 staying with this year and then he caught up. 642 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,160 I bounced right back off and kind of fell off and then saw 643 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,720 the mouse split a mile 19. That gave me some confidence 644 00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:08,480 because it's like OK, 443. That's still like I could at 645 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:09,960 that point. I think I needed around like 646 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,720 450. I don't know. 647 00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:16,680 I did the math at one point, but it was like 455 or something the 648 00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,520 rest of the way. And I get the American record 649 00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:22,440 maybe, maybe, maybe a little faster than that. 650 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,720 But it was, I was still on a good pace. 651 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,480 And so it was like, OK, like I'm I'm fine. 652 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,800 And then I was fine pace wise. But yeah, there was a ton of 653 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,160 doubt because it was like those guys just dropped me and like I 654 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,080 was standing still. And now the guy like usually 655 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,800 AT30K is when the pack breaks up. 656 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,440 So it's like if I'm not in that pack, the guys behind me are 657 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:46,880 probably getting dropped by me too. 658 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,040 And I was kind of panicking a little bit like that's it. 659 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,800 Like everybody looks good until 30K. 660 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,200 That's kind of how a marathon is. 661 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:56,360 And yeah, I got, I got pretty worried. 662 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,120 I was like, I must have gone out too fast. 663 00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,520 I bit off more than I could chew. 664 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:04,160 If I'm like, if I slow to 5 flat pace, it's not going to happen. 665 00:37:04,240 --> 00:37:06,520 And I might slow the five flat pace if I'm alone. 666 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:10,240 Like, you know, there's just all the doubts from like the 430 667 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:14,280 mile to every to slowing down for bottles all cracked in my 668 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,680 mind. Is Alex the guy who then comes 669 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:24,120 up next to you and puts that all to rest because you have someone 670 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:26,880 to work together with? Almost. 671 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:33,600 So Alex Kamar was moving hard and Alex Alex was with Kamar and 672 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,880 he got drunk. There's a, it might have been 673 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,000 Muhammad. ASA also got dropped when I 674 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,400 passed him or no, no, no, I think Alex got dropped first and 675 00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:46,560 then I was leading our pack. And then I think when a little 676 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,240 while later I slow down and get behind Alex just because it's 677 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,280 Wendy. We're just kind of switching the 678 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,400 leads back and forth. And then I think we pat, we 679 00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:02,120 catch. I think Bashir he goes from like 680 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:08,440 running like with Cam war looking amazing to like like it 681 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,080 was like A1A1 like moment. I don't know. 682 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:16,520 From 20 to 21, he he cratered. Yeah, yeah. 683 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,840 And it was like, I don't know, he said he had stomach issues, I 684 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,160 think. And he just like he looked good 685 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:27,680 well ahead of us with Cam War. And immediately, within two 686 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:29,920 minutes, it's like he's well behind us. 687 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,800 So it was a it was a quick like things went bad very quickly for 688 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,560 him, but which I feel bad for, you know, stomach issues happen. 689 00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:42,560 So it was a bummer. But yeah, I think then we passed 690 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,400 Mohammed SA. And then there was a moment I 691 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:48,040 was like, wait a SEC, I feel good again. 692 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,200 I have a pack and I pass out like some like, hey, I'm like, 693 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:55,240 let's catch Cam War. I tried. 694 00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:59,080 I don't think, I don't think I got any closer to her. 695 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,840 I don't think I got as far. I think he he stopped gaining on 696 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,240 us for a little bit there, but I don't think I was. 697 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,400 I was a cash man. Yeah, Kenmore stays ahead of you 698 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:15,080 until mile 24, and then after that is when you finally 699 00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:19,160 overtake him. But what what's, I guess it's, 700 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,360 it's not an unspoken bond there because you were sharing words 701 00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,560 with Alex, but you guys were pushing each other. 702 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,040 What, how did that sort of relationship, you know, take 703 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:32,080 shape during this this competition? 704 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,400 That's a great question. I mean, there was a little bit 705 00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,040 of me that was a little, that was a little better that he got 706 00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,280 to have that he got to be in that second pack. 707 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,800 She's the only one, I think from that 6230 pack that that ran 708 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,280 really well. So I was a little bit better 709 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,640 that it was like, oh, he had the, he had the nicer way to 710 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,040 like bridge that gap and not have those fast early miles and 711 00:39:55,040 --> 00:40:00,040 then slowly miles 10 through 12. But I've known Alex just from 712 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:05,840 race again in the NCAA and, and, you know, from races like 713 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,840 Boulder, Boulder and other races where he ran together and he's 714 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,000 he's a great competitor. And yeah, I think it's just, you 715 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,560 know. Your friends until you aren't, 716 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,920 you know, in the race and with a race like this, when you're 717 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,000 trying to catch people and you're trying to run a fast 718 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,160 time, you're friends with the guy next to you. 719 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,520 And so I think when I came up next to him and probably said, 720 00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:31,120 hey, let's catch Cam or I think he realized, oh, like he's 721 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,760 wanting us to work together and and then we would go back and 722 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,920 forth sharing the lead. He probably LED more than I did 723 00:40:39,720 --> 00:40:41,800 for the next couple miles, but like I was leading a good 724 00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:48,800 portion of us 2 together and Mohamed Essa was, he wasn't 725 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:54,800 leaving like at all in our pack. But I mean hey, he was, he was 726 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,960 just trying to run the best he could and we were we were 727 00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,680 helping bring him to glory. I don't, I don't know when he 728 00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,440 actually dropped off from us. I thought I didn't think he was 729 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,760 there for a long time but he only finished like 6 seconds 730 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,480 behind me so must have been there. 731 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:13,200 Beyond Camp War, did you have any awareness of what was 732 00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,560 happening up in the front? Like was there a point where you 733 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,560 passed John career on the side of the road or anything like to 734 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,800 know what place you were in? There was one person at like 735 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:28,960 around a mile, maybe 21 and we were trying to catch Cam or I 736 00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:31,640 heard like you're in 6th, 7th and 8th. 737 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,280 I don't know if or 567. It was something. 738 00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:38,400 I think it was 6-7 eighth would make the most sense. 739 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:39,400 Yeah, that's. What it was I? 740 00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,360 Think we were passing, but it was also like, yeah, I don't 741 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,720 know who's going to like, I don't know who's ahead of me. 742 00:41:46,720 --> 00:41:49,560 I don't know if like the weather was great. 743 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,120 They went out really fast. They could have like I, I did 744 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:55,080 think around yeah, mile 21 or 22. 745 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:58,680 They, they could have run a world, They could run a world 746 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,800 record today. Like I could get the American 747 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:04,320 record and it, it looked pretty bad because I got beat by, you 748 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:09,560 know, four, 4 1/2 minutes. But no, I had no idea. 749 00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,400 I could tell like there was, well, I mean, this will be a 750 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,560 little later in the race, but like there was a moment I'm 751 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:20,360 trying to catch Cam war. I turned to Alex and I'm like I 752 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,080 realized I was like slowing and I wasn't catching him. 753 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,240 And so I turned to Alex and like, can you read? 754 00:42:25,240 --> 00:42:28,080 He's like I'll need 1 kilometer. He pretty much slept the rest of 755 00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,760 the way, but it was there was only like 1 kilometer until we 756 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,280 had a tailwind. So like I didn't feel too bad. 757 00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:37,600 And then he would he said a few things up to he said a few 758 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,360 things to me to be like encouraging. 759 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:47,360 I think in mile like 23 1/2, almost 24 but I can I didn't 760 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:50,080 hear him, but yeah. And then it wasn't until the 761 00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,800 straight on I think Michigan. I have you can we could see a 762 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,520 couple guys coming back to us and one of them was Cam more and 763 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:03,400 we were moving while like it was it felt I felt good. 764 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:07,000 I was now I stopped doing the math of OK, if I died a 5 minute 765 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,880 pace, what happens? It was more of OK at the very 766 00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,240 worst, I think I'm going to run a 450 pace like 3 minutes. 767 00:43:13,240 --> 00:43:16,960 I, I remember a moment when I was like, we have about like 768 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:18,760 just looking at the clock on my watch. 769 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,840 I was like, I have about 4K left. 770 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:23,240 I think it's only going to take me 12 minutes to finish. 771 00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:26,400 I felt pretty like I was feeling pretty good there. 772 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,080 Yeah, and your recap, you said once we were on Michigan Ave. we 773 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,680 started catching people quickly passed Joffrey at around 24, 774 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,320 then fill him on after that. At 25 miles in, I heard we were 775 00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,360 in 3rd and 4th. I tried to pass Alex a couple 776 00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,080 times, but I could tell I was fatiguing quickly. 777 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:40,800 I told myself to hold on for now. 778 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,720 At 800 meters to go, he surged and I let him go. 779 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:46,960 How much of this? I remember just sort of in our 780 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:51,440 last episode, you said something about being smarter in that 781 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,200 final stretch of trying to make moves like what happened in 782 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,240 Boston where you got like too aggressive in sort of like the 783 00:43:57,240 --> 00:43:59,320 racing. Did you have flashbacks of that 784 00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,840 in that moment? No, I, I actually, if anything I 785 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:08,600 had, I was, I was kind of being a little bit I, I I guess a 786 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,760 little bit of Boston, but not too much because that was like 787 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,560 last 200. They like booked it away from 788 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,600 me. But at this point I, I was like, 789 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,840 I don't know, I was getting a little complacent, my wife, my 790 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,000 wife. So I was like, you got to stop 791 00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,480 being complacent because I describe racist reactor and she 792 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:28,560 said you, you get so complacent in races. 793 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,400 But it was like, I know I'm going to get the record. 794 00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:34,160 I don't want to lose that opportunity by going too hard. 795 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,640 But I think I could have dug a little bit more. 796 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,200 But you know, you're in a lot of pain and you're like, I don't, I 797 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,120 don't want to anymore. You know, it's, it's, it's 798 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,200 terrible thing to say. Like I don't want to push 799 00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:48,720 anymore, but I, I don't care. I, I don't care about the 800 00:44:48,720 --> 00:44:50,520 outcome. I just, I'm just done. 801 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:56,520 But I think at 400 to go I realized I have a lot left in me 802 00:44:56,840 --> 00:45:00,200 but he is so far ahead. He had an extra gear too. 803 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,600 He put what is it 6 seconds on you, I think in the he. 804 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:06,280 Put 6 seconds on me, but I think most that was 800 to 400 to go. 805 00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:10,080 And I was like, I should have, I should have gone with him like I 806 00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,120 should have trusted because I finished and this is the first 807 00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,960 marathon I've and maybe like the only race this year I had I had 808 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:21,760 like hands on my knees after the race and I was like, I was just 809 00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:25,560 kind of like, like I knew I could have held that pace for 810 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:30,800 for a while longer. And I was like, I mean, we did 811 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,720 have a tailwind too. So I should have just been like 812 00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,200 in my mind, I look back and I'm like, I just needed to compete. 813 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,920 I needed to like with 400 go. I knew I had an extra gear, but 814 00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:41,760 it was like, well, he's already so far ahead of me. 815 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:46,080 I don't didn't want to push like I wasn't going to change my time 816 00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,960 that drastically, but I should have just I wish I went for it. 817 00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:53,440 I'm not sure if I would have caught him or beat him or not, 818 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:56,720 but I like I don't think I gave myself much of that chance 819 00:45:56,720 --> 00:45:59,240 because I got a little bit complacent around it. 820 00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:03,400 I had 800 to go is. That your only regret in this 821 00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,720 race. Yeah, yeah, as far as like what 822 00:46:05,720 --> 00:46:09,000 I could do, that was my regret. Yeah. 823 00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:13,040 Other stuff had like things I wish I I would do differently in 824 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:17,880 training like the bottle like make thing quicker about 825 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,360 grabbing bottles and and practicing that. 826 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,720 And another thing is just I I seem to get gapped a little bit 827 00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:29,200 on every turn so I wish I would. I don't know how you practice 828 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:32,000 turns because I feel like you turn a lot in practice but 829 00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,760 wanted to just make sure I I stay pretty consistent on the 830 00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,040 turns. I just saw a really funny reel 831 00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,000 of the way that Japanese runners like may it go on turns when 832 00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,680 it's like a air pin 180 and they would do like this little turn. 833 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,720 I don't necessarily think you need to practice that. 834 00:46:46,720 --> 00:46:50,120 But yeah, no, just some some little tiny things to work on. 835 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,720 OK. But then as you do, what is it, 836 00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:55,360 Mount Roosevelt? And then you kind of come down 837 00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:58,200 that final stretch and you can see the clock. 838 00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,080 You know you're going to get the record. 839 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:02,520 What are the feelings when you cross the finish line? 840 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,640 There's a little bit of, I mean, immediately it was like, I'm 841 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,760 happy I got the record because I kind of like, I think with about 842 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,360 2 1/2 miles to go, I was so confident I was going to get the 843 00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:14,000 record that that's kind of where I had that. 844 00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:17,000 Like, I've done it. Like, let's just finish strong. 845 00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,680 But yeah, when and when I crossed the finish line, I was, 846 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,160 I was more just bummed that I, but I didn't have that extra 847 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,720 gear to be Alex. Like I didn't like that. 848 00:47:28,720 --> 00:47:29,960 That was kind of what went through my mind. 849 00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,480 And I was like, no, like, don't, don't be that guy. 850 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:34,760 Like I'm usually that guy who like finishes a great race. 851 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,400 Everyone's congratulating you and you're like, I wish I would 852 00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:39,120 have done this. So it was like that was kind of 853 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:42,320 the first feeling that came after I crossed the finish line. 854 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,360 But yeah, it was a little bit of a sense of relief. 855 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:50,360 But that, that again, like I said, it came that like all the 856 00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,480 good feelings kind of came at 4K to go when I was like, I feel 857 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:57,520 really good. I have 2 1/2 miles to go. 858 00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,760 And even if I run like I'm, I don't think I'm going to run 859 00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,640 slow. Like it wasn't like if I run 860 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:04,880 this, I'll still get the record. It was. 861 00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:11,760 I think I'm going to run well. The City of Smack podcast is 862 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:16,120 presented by Lollipop. If you tune into our shows in 863 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,120 Eugene, you may have seen me holding a nice yellow can That 864 00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:24,680 was Lollipop's new Pineapple Paradise flavor straight out of 865 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,920 Bikini Bottom. Their limited edition SpongeBob 866 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,160 cans have arrived. Pineapple Paradise features a 867 00:48:30,240 --> 00:48:34,160 burst of juicy pineapple, special sweetness and a splash 868 00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,920 of Mandarin. 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Yeah, I think that was the, the, 875 00:48:58,720 --> 00:49:03,360 the common, I think review of just sort of when people heard 876 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,400 you talk about Paris and New York, it's just like, man, I'd 877 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:07,840 be so pumped if I had those results. 878 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,640 But then you're just so critical of like these tiny things. 879 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,760 And I, I called it just sort of like when we did our, our recap 880 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,000 of the whole day, I was like, there's part of Connor that's 881 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:17,560 like, this is an amazing achievement. 882 00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:22,120 But that missing the podium by that those few seconds again, 883 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,600 like is what's going to motivate him and keep him hungry for the 884 00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,000 next go round. And it's like this is great to 885 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:30,080 to get the record admission accomplished on that side of 886 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,280 things, but there's still just more things that you want to 887 00:49:32,280 --> 00:49:34,840 tap. Oh exactly, exactly. 888 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:40,080 My long term goal is a medal at the LA Games and I think to 889 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:44,000 practice for that I need to be competing for a podium spot at 890 00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,960 every major I'm in. And so that's one thing that's 891 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,720 on my mind is I need to get in that top three of these at these 892 00:49:51,720 --> 00:49:57,600 races and they're not, they're probably less competitive than 893 00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:02,000 an Olympic Games is going to be. So I need that practice of 894 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,280 getting, getting on the podium. The they are adding more World 895 00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,560 Marathon Majors, so it might make it easier if the talent is 896 00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,560 distributed across more races. But for you, I guess the 897 00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,080 importance of getting on the podium, potentially winning one 898 00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,120 of these majors. Like is it, are you looking at 899 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:26,280 the three in the United States as like the ones that really 900 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:30,680 would or or do you view those or the original 6 as like a higher 901 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,960 tier than like the new ones that are going to get at it and could 902 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:35,920 probably spread the talent? A little bit, a little. 903 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,960 Bit too, yeah. It's like who's won? 904 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:43,160 Like who's won Sydney? I mean, now Stephan's won 905 00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,280 Sydney. So like, I shouldn't say that, 906 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,600 but yeah, it's like the the older ones that have the history 907 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:52,720 with them, those are the big ones in my mind and. 908 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,160 They're always going to be the ones that attract the top top 909 00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,360 tier talent. For now at least, I feel like. 910 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,080 Right, right. Yeah, maybe like maybe I'll do 911 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:03,240 one of the newer ones and that'll be how I get get a 912 00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:06,600 podium finish. But I, I would definitely, I 913 00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:11,280 don't know, There's also like the goals of winning a Boston 914 00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:15,000 and New York or Chicago, because it's in the US, because it's 915 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,960 such like there's such iconic races. 916 00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:20,800 I like First things first, I got to be on the podium. 917 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,320 And maybe that was too big of a jump to from my, my last majors 918 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,960 at 6th place. Maybe I needed to say all right, 919 00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:31,720 from 6 to top five, from top five to top four to top three. 920 00:51:31,720 --> 00:51:36,400 Like maybe that needs to be my, my goal and then I'll end and 921 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:40,160 leaving a little happier. But the podium is just in my 922 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,200 mind. That's that's something Jared 923 00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:43,800 Ward used to stress about his career. 924 00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:47,400 He's one of his goals was always to finish on the podium in a 925 00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,000 major. And I, I want to do that, but I 926 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,200 also want to win one of them. So a podium finishes just in my 927 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:59,680 mind, that's the that's the next step before I could win 1. 928 00:51:59,960 --> 00:52:03,560 You cross the finish line. Khalid Khanuchi congratulates 929 00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,320 you and jokes what took you so long? 930 00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:06,920 How'd you respond? Because I've seen that, the 931 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,720 quote that's fluttered around. But what did you say? 932 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,520 I just kind of laughed. I, I didn't even know my brains, 933 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:18,040 My brains a little, a little soft and what not at that time. 934 00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:21,640 So I'm not thinking straight, but I just think. 935 00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,600 I I think I just laughed. In a race is monumental and a 936 00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,680 performance as big as this, like what are the moments of 937 00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,600 gratitude that really stood out to you? 938 00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:34,000 I think like after you crossed the finish line, because it's 939 00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:38,160 you have so much to be thankful for that a line like in, you 940 00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,240 know, the training, the build up the race execution, but so like, 941 00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:44,120 when did that start to hit you? Oh, that, that was hitting me 942 00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:49,320 before their ace. But yeah, like, even like after 943 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,200 it was. It's tough because I like, I 944 00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:54,320 want to go and make a list of thanking everyone, but I don't 945 00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,800 want to leave anybody off the list. 946 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,600 So I just tried to tell a lot of people thank you individually. 947 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,680 But yeah, from like physical therapist to athletic trainers 948 00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:10,840 to my coaches, my family, my wife, my wife's extended family, 949 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:14,080 who like, she had an aunt and uncle come out to cheer me on. 950 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,640 I had some cousins there. I had like, it was, it was a big 951 00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:23,080 crew and a lot of people made like big sacrifices to support 952 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:25,720 me in this journey. So it's, you know, in a way, 953 00:53:25,720 --> 00:53:28,360 like, I don't want to say you need, you need the perfect 954 00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:32,640 setup, but I, I think it would have been a lot harder for me to 955 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:37,240 hit this record if I didn't have so much support, you know, and 956 00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:40,880 even like gratefulness to like, like the Pacers and gratefulness 957 00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:45,360 to like guys like Alex Messiah and Jeffrey Kammor and Bashir 958 00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:48,320 Abdi and, you know, pretty much everybody that was in my pack 959 00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:53,040 that I was working with, like some like Jeffrey Kammor was 960 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,280 when the Pacers would slow sometimes he'd be the one to 961 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:57,920 like get right behind him and be like, no, let's keep moving. 962 00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:01,680 And so it's just something that, you know, be grateful for your 963 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:07,880 competitors, be grateful for a lot of people training partners. 964 00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,360 I think that was one thing that that really left this race. 965 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:18,200 I think either if I'd got another podium or if so much, if 966 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,240 many of my training partners had like a good day, I think that 967 00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:25,880 would have made that day like one or the other would have made 968 00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:31,120 it feel like a perfect day. But like it was a rough go I had 969 00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,480 like it was a rough go afterward realizing most of the people I 970 00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,520 trained with, most of the people I was doing every like every 971 00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:44,960 workout with had pretty bad day. Like it was that was really sad 972 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:48,560 to see. And it seemed like the guy who 973 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:51,560 like on a guy's side, who had the best race I've ever been, me 974 00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,680 and the training group was Aiden Troutner, who this is the least 975 00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,320 he's cared about a race. And I don't know, I don't know 976 00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:00,840 when he's cared about a race this little. 977 00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,360 And he ran 210. Like if this guy, like if he 978 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,680 had, if you'd been all in, I wonder what he could have ran. 979 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:11,720 But like running, going out in 64 and running 210 is a guy 980 00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:16,080 who's just kind of seeing it as a as a fun, as a fun thing to do 981 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:19,240 after college. You know, not, not many, many 982 00:55:19,240 --> 00:55:23,360 people going around 2:10 or faster just being like, yeah, 983 00:55:23,360 --> 00:55:26,360 I'll just, I'll just run a marathon, like for fun. 984 00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,240 Maybe him and Matthew Riffman have some secret we don't know 985 00:55:30,240 --> 00:55:33,280 about, but. All right, So when you look at 986 00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,920 your 2025 season, half marathon, American record, marathon, 987 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,680 American record, I mean, what's the through line that connects 988 00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,520 all of it? If you were to boil it down to 989 00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,360 like, this is what made 2025 happen and so special. 990 00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:55,640 2022-2023, 2024 like it, it's it's weird to me that I had a 991 00:55:55,640 --> 00:56:00,120 lot of races this year that if they had been like, if I just 992 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,920 had one of those in 2023, I would consider 2023 a great 993 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:05,640 year. It feels like it didn't change 994 00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:10,440 very much. Mileage was just a tear higher 995 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:16,640 workouts were a little faster sometimes a little slower other 996 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,520 times it wasn't that much different. 997 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:25,240 So it it's weird looking at now that like I just worked on a 998 00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:27,800 bunch of things, just a little bit like a little bit more 999 00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:29,400 fueling. It was a big thing. 1000 00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:32,800 I'm all I'm very grateful to have a year like this. 1001 00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,920 I feel like any, yeah, like I said earlier, if I had like one 1002 00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:41,640 race like this, like one of my many races this year and another 1003 00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,600 year, like some of those years, I would have been like, this 1004 00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:46,960 year was phenomenal because I had that one really good race, 1005 00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:51,920 you know, and this year it felt like every race but one went, 1006 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:56,120 went very well. Like every race I ended up being 1007 00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,520 like, oh, I can't believe I just did that or oh, that was 1008 00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,840 awesome. Like things like maybe not 1009 00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,160 perfect, but everything was pretty. 1010 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,680 A lot of my races were very close to perfect and that was 1011 00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:10,800 that was special to me. All right, we've got 5 minutes 1012 00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,880 left. Rapid fire from the listeners. 1013 00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:17,240 Rafi asks how's Connor approaching recovery and prep 1014 00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:19,880 for cross country Because world cross country is next. 1015 00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,360 Recovery. I'm running, I ran 4 miles on 1016 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,480 Monday, 2 miles yesterday. I don't think I'm going to run 1017 00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:30,280 today. This week is just just resting, 1018 00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,680 resting the body and a little bit of the mind. 1019 00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,680 So making sure I'm I'm still having a good diet. 1020 00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:40,400 Well, relatively, I've eaten a ton of candy, but I'm going to 1021 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,400 I'm going to meet with coach and probably sometime next week or 1022 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,880 the week after and go over what we want to do to prep for cross 1023 00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,280 country. Little nervous about it. 1024 00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,480 My pride's going to be on the line. 1025 00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:55,480 I just have to swallow that, swallow the pill that I might 1026 00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:59,760 not be as good at cross country as I was four years ago, but 1027 00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:02,280 that maybe I'm still good enough to make the team. 1028 00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:06,400 And then hopefully I can be fit enough to be a really, we're 1029 00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:08,800 going to be really competitive at World Cross. 1030 00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:09,800 Yeah. OK. 1031 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,560 So the goal is be competitive at world cross on the world stage. 1032 00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:18,120 I mean, how are you sizing up who, who makes this team, right? 1033 00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:22,000 Is it 5 spots? No 6. 6 spots all right, who are 1034 00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,600 your other five that you think like would be the 8 the All Star 1035 00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,080 team for the US? OK, All Star team. 1036 00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,880 So you put yourself, you take one spot. 1037 00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:36,800 I'll take one spot. Grand Blanks, obviously Fisher, 1038 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:43,120 Nico Young, I've been there. He I've heard he's doing it so I 1039 00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,400 could see him up there. I could see a guy like a Paul 1040 00:58:46,400 --> 00:58:49,640 Solimo or shit at Kipchuchi and there's a lot of names. 1041 00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:51,960 The more when you go through names, you realize look how. 1042 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,200 Cool. This team is going to be is Cole 1043 00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,200 doing the 10 Ki? Could see him. 1044 00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,440 I could see him doing it. Him and Cooper could could make 1045 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,600 that team in the 10K. So yeah, when you start naming 1046 00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,320 off names, you get worried. I would think Cole would wanna 1047 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:08,240 do that. 2K Really. Someone like him I think would 1048 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,320 watch. Hey, throw me in for the big 1049 00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:13,000 one. There's a lot of guys I don't 1050 00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,720 wanna. I mean, I would actually even 1051 00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,400 put Hilary Bora on that list. True. 1052 00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:18,320 Yeah. He's gonna be coming back from 1053 00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,400 New York, so I don't think he'll be ready. 1054 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,520 Regular Patrick on Instagram asked if you could choose at 1055 00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,480 what point of your career would you peak or have the best your 1056 00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:29,760 all time best. When is it? 1057 00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:35,560 I guess 2028. 2028 or 2032? Probably 2032 actually. 1058 00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:39,840 The way you've thrown around 2032 is so funny to me. 1059 00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,160 And everyone's focused on 28 first, but you're, you're 1060 00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:46,440 thinking even more long term. Well, I mean, that's that's the 1061 00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:50,880 ideal because it's my best race is then then I got a nice, you 1062 00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,880 know, I get a lot of really good races in between. 1063 00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:56,320 A couple people on Instagram asked favorite work out this 1064 00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:58,480 build Rabbit fire, Let's see, what was it? 1065 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:02,360 OK, Probably I did 1 fatigue mile repeat session near the end 1066 01:00:02,360 --> 01:00:04,240 there. I don't know. 1067 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,960 I was starting. I would be five O 9 for 8 miles. 1068 01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:13,240 Then I would run with the guys for 800 or 600 or 1000, and then 1069 01:00:13,240 --> 01:00:16,720 I'd close it really hard. Kind of a jerk move to my 1070 01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:19,640 training partners but mentally it helped me and I was running 1071 01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:25,760 like I spent like 2O3 though like last 800 and just made me 1072 01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,560 feel good about myself. All right, two more really 1073 01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:31,080 quick. B Garcia in 1989 asked what shoe 1074 01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:32,840 was he wearing? Was it an Alpha Flight 4 1075 01:00:32,840 --> 01:00:34,040 prototype? What can you say about the 1076 01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:37,400 shoes? It wasn't an Alpha Flight 4 1077 01:00:37,400 --> 01:00:40,640 prototype, but it it was a it was a little bit different in 1078 01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,400 the Alpha Flight 3. How are your blisters? 1079 01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:47,200 One's pretty bad. I had a toenail that's like this 1080 01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:51,920 that I should have taken off before the race because it's 1081 01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:57,160 been bad probably since Boston. But yeah, my blisters are 1082 01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,240 actually finally like today. They feel good. 1083 01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:03,240 Last question have we seen the best Connor Mance yet? 1084 01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:05,760 No, I hope not. I really hope not. 1085 01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:09,440 If, if I peak out at age 28, that's going to be a little 1086 01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,200 disappointing. But yeah, I, I hope to improve. 1087 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,160 You know, I improved just I, I see it as I only make little 1088 01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,040 improvements every year. Hopefully I'm continuing to make 1089 01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:19,520 little improvements for a long time. 1090 01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,440 Awesome Connor. Well, thanks so much for doing 1091 01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:26,600 this and always a pleasure to catch up with you post marathon. 1092 01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,560 And thank you. Thank you all for listening to 1093 01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:32,400 this episode. This episode was produced by 1094 01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,880 Jasmine Fair. I love doing this for you guys. 1095 01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:37,880 So please do me a favor and leave a five star view on Apple 1096 01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:40,040 Podcast or Spotify. That helps us grow the show and 1097 01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,880 get even more awesome guests. Let me know what you're enjoying 1098 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,840 about the show. 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