1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,920 What's up everyone? You are listening to the CDs 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,120 Magic Podcast. I'm your host Chris Chavez, and 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,480 every week we go beyond the results to bring you 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,480 conversations with the biggest names on the track, the roads, 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,760 and behind the scenes. From world class athletes and 6 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,280 coaches to innovators shaping the sport. 7 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,520 If it's happening on the track, we're covering it with real 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,560 insights that sharpen minds, deep dives into the moments that 9 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,360 define careers, and the kind of access to the pros you won't get 10 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,360 anywhere else. So let's get into it because we 11 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:29,920 love. Track and field. 12 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,560 Before we get to today's episode, you know we love giving 13 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,240 our listeners a shout out when they leave us a review on Apple 14 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,400 Podcasts. That certainly helps the show's 15 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:42,280 discoverability and we appreciate it greatly. 16 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,400 This week's review comes to us from CJ Young and I really got 17 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:50,280 to find out if Clayton's middle name starts with AJ. 18 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,840 And that this might be him. He writes in saying 10 out of 10 19 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,680 no notes. No one covers the insurance and 20 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,760 outs of the running world better than Conor Mance and his Co host 21 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:04,440 Chris Chavez. Hilarious review and I got to do 22 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,320 some sleuthing to figure out if this was actually Clayton Young. 23 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:10,440 If you want your review to be read and you want to support the 24 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:13,720 show, leave us a Five Star View on Apple Podcast today. 25 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,920 My guest for today's episode is Kylie Mance. 26 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:22,160 And if that name sounds familiar, yes, she is the wife 27 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:25,920 of Citius Mag podcast regular and US marathon record holder 28 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,600 Conor Mance. But beyond that, Kylie's coming 29 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,080 off a year in which she walked onto BYU's track team and can 30 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,120 call herself a marathoner now after making her debut just a 31 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:40,320 couple days ago with a strong 243 victory at the Two Cities 32 00:01:40,320 --> 00:01:44,480 Marathon in Fresno, CA. Kylie didn't run much in high 33 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:45,920 school. In fact, she only started 34 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:50,040 running recently in the last two years or so, and at first it was 35 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,280 just to understand her husband's world and then because she 36 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,720 realized that she could belong in it. 37 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,120 Fast forward to this year, she's racing ABYU singlet, trained 38 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:03,880 under coach Dill G Taylor and ran 3457 for 10,000 meters on 39 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:05,920 the track. And then after that, she's taken 40 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,479 super well to the roads, all while wrapping up her degree in 41 00:02:09,479 --> 00:02:12,440 elementary education. What I love about this? 42 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,080 Conversation is that her path is unconventional and refreshingly 43 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:18,920 honest. She learned the sport from 44 00:02:18,920 --> 00:02:22,320 scratch with the occasional lessons from Connor, and then 45 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,600 found the confidence and spark to chase the US Olympic Trials 46 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,880 qualifier in the marathon. That's 237. 47 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,760 I think you'll enjoy this conversation since she's proving 48 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:34,600 that it's never too late to start and to dream big. 49 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,840 So without further ado, here is Kylie, Mance and also Connor. 50 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,640 All right, now we welcome on Kylie and Connor Mance. 51 00:02:54,200 --> 00:02:57,640 Connor's going to have to take a back seat on this episode. 52 00:02:57,640 --> 00:03:02,640 I know he's loved being the center of attention for I think 53 00:03:02,640 --> 00:03:06,960 we added it all up almost 10 hours worth of podcasting we've 54 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:12,920 done over the last couple years. So Connor, now you get to fully 55 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,520 lean into your Co hosting role because we get to talk to Kylie 56 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,800 about her marathon debut. It's been a week since the 57 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:23,720 marathon debut. How how's the body feeling? 58 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,760 I saw it back to to running on Strava already. 59 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,960 That's more of a complicated question than what should be. 60 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,160 So we got back Monday. So like Ray's Sunday call back 61 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:40,880 Monday, Tuesday morning I actually had to get a gum graft. 62 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:46,240 And so I have some pretty bad recession on the bottom of my 63 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,560 bottom teeth. And so they categorize the roof 64 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:55,280 of my mouth to stay late morning and stitched on the bottom. 65 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,320 So I was on anesthesia right after. 66 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,760 So since then I've actually been more recovering from that than I 67 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,880 thought. Oh my gosh, so you scheduled 68 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:08,880 what first? The marathon or the gum graft 69 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:10,560 thing? The marathon. 70 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,920 But then I figured when I'm already knocked down, might as 71 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,320 well knock me down even further. And so I figured that was the 72 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,680 best way to do it. And I'm happy I did, even though 73 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:22,360 my mouth still really hurts. But. 74 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,720 That's one way to like force yourself to take a little bit 75 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,840 more down time for sure. OK. 76 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,680 But in general, 243, the performance itself, how are we 77 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,040 feeling now that you've had a little bit of time to process it 78 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,520 and then we'll go into the insurance and outs of the whole 79 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,360 performance? Yeah, so I think it was, you 80 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:45,400 can't be mad when you win or PR. That's what I've heard. 81 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:48,400 And so I can't be mad about it. Of course, I had bigger goals 82 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,480 for myself, but I've never run a marathon before. 83 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:54,440 And a marathon is just a whole other different level of a race 84 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,680 than anything else. And so I just kind of needed to 85 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,160 leave it and move on and just celebrate. 86 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:05,520 I finished and I did it. Is it a little wild how, like, 87 00:05:05,840 --> 00:05:10,480 within the past 12 months, right, Like, it's been being a 88 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,200 member of the BYU track team and running your first marathon, 89 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,400 like so much of your dive fully into, you know, structure, 90 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,600 training and running has really taken off within the last 12 91 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:24,240 months. That's yeah, no, it's true. 92 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,760 And it's funny, like I think my body was definitely in need of a 93 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:32,720 little bit of a reset. Like going from track, which is 94 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,640 a completely different world to like Extreme Rd. racing was kind 95 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,440 of a shock to the body a little bit. 96 00:05:38,840 --> 00:05:41,520 And so I think towards the end of our time up in Park City, I 97 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,320 was like, OK, I'm getting a little tired. 98 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,440 So this has been really nice and good. 99 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,560 But yeah, I'm happy with how this year has been. 100 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,280 It's been, I think if I would have looked back a couple years 101 00:05:54,280 --> 00:05:57,280 ago, I would have never even dreamed of what this year has 102 00:05:57,280 --> 00:05:59,080 brought and so I'm happy with it. 103 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:00,160 Yeah. All right. 104 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,680 So Conor and I did our first ever podcast together, I think 105 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,880 back in 2020 and we got into just a little bit of like his 106 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,920 background, especially running at such a young age, first half 107 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,360 marathon as like a little teenager. 108 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,120 But for you? It feels like the story is very 109 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:19,880 different and very little bit of the actual belonging to a track 110 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,400 team. Where does your relationship 111 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,000 with running begin? That's a funny question. 112 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:35,080 My SO my mom ran in high school. She's from Houston, TX and was a 113 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,360 hurdler and so had was able to get some school records there. 114 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,320 But while track was going on, she also did cheer in 115 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,400 gymnastics. And my mom's a pretty talented 116 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,760 athlete and was able to cheer at BYU. 117 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:55,280 And so, but she would still go run around the indoor track at 118 00:06:55,280 --> 00:06:57,960 BYU. And I think Coach Shane, so the 119 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:01,160 coach before Coach Taylor went up to her and was like, hey, 120 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:02,960 like, we need people for the team. 121 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:04,920 You should come walk on. And she shot him down. 122 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:10,240 And so it's kind of funny that that side of her is anyways. 123 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,400 And I actually really didn't know that until recently. 124 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:13,760 She's kind of funny about that, but. 125 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,440 We we are assuming it's coach Shane because he was known to do 126 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,680 that, but. Just walk up to somebody random. 127 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,200 She's running a pretty decent pace. 128 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:25,920 To be like, oh, that person has great form, I see potential, 129 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:30,600 let's see if they're interested. So anyways, that's a little bit 130 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,520 of her. And so growing up, it running 131 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,160 was always, my mom would go run, she'd run with us. 132 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:41,800 I'm the oldest of five and I lived kind of all over the 133 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:43,920 country. Anytime my dad's a business guy, 134 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:45,680 anytime you get promoted, we'd move. 135 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,440 I'm not a military kid. Do you just, we picked up and 136 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,640 moved all over the country quite a bit before settling down in 137 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:57,680 Fresno. And IT I think just my mom would 138 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,720 run with us pregnant or we're at the park or we're my mom's a 139 00:08:01,720 --> 00:08:05,000 pretty active person. And so I think a lot of actually 140 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:09,680 stemmed from her. But I, I think the older I got 141 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:13,120 in junior high high school, it became more of a, a stress 142 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:17,200 relieving thing then like I'm trying to get fit. 143 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:22,040 I did track my freshman year, Buchanan High School, and 144 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,600 absolutely did not like it. I didn't like that people yelled 145 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,480 at me. I was not a fan of that. 146 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,400 And so I might just, I didn't understand that yelling at 147 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:35,200 somebody, giving them instruction was part of the 148 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:37,159 deal. Not you're mad at me. 149 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,840 Yeah, words of affirmation doesn't seem to be #1 on your 150 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,400 love language it still. Is not. 151 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:49,240 So yeah, that's anyways that was kind of. 152 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,000 So I just left it. I was pretty involved in student 153 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,560 council in high school and so leadership and all that. 154 00:08:55,560 --> 00:08:58,680 And then anyways, my running didn't really take off until 155 00:08:58,680 --> 00:09:01,640 after we got married. Wow. 156 00:09:01,680 --> 00:09:04,880 OK. So Connor, to hear that and just 157 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:09,360 sort of process also the last 12 months, like does it stun you 158 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:14,280 just sort of a little bit of just the untapped talent that 159 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:19,240 was always within Kylie that now all of a sudden like has started 160 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,600 to, you know, show flashes? It, it, it does stun me a little 161 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,760 bit because I, I don't know, I think most people can get pretty 162 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,280 quick. But the jump she made were 163 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:34,480 pretty dramatic for somebody yeah, who wasn't, wasn't doing 164 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:36,000 it. So that was pretty fun for me to 165 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,400 see. It's just like, I should make 166 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:43,200 these jumps. I always have to have to kind of 167 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,040 mess with her like, and be like a it's not always going to be 168 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:47,360 like this. You're not always going to make 169 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,440 jumps every year like because I, because I, I don't know, I feel 170 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,600 like every few years I'm pretty stagnant. 171 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:55,480 And so I'm like, you're not going to keep improving with 172 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,320 these big jumps and stuff. And then she can she continue to 173 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:04,120 do continues to do that. So it is, it stuns me a little 174 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,080 bit, but it's it's fun. It's fun to see somebody else 175 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,440 fall in love with the sport. So Kylie, I guess when we get to 176 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:17,840 just sort of like your awareness of kind of the elite side of the 177 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:21,280 sport, Like is it true, I guess that you even got to BYU and 178 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:25,800 weren't aware of just like how good like the track team was and 179 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:29,280 all of this other this this whole, I guess like accomplished 180 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,240 side that the school has with running cross country track at 181 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:34,960 the when when you when you were there as a student. 182 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,720 I didn't know be where you had a chart team when I got there. 183 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,640 Like I my family's pretty like football crazy. 184 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,320 So like I could tell you the ends and outs of BYU football, 185 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,160 not too much anymore because obviously it's changed to 186 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:51,720 something else. But yeah, like I got in and 187 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,120 that's why I like when Connor and I met, I didn't know who he 188 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,480 was. I just, yeah, when I kind of saw 189 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,960 that he was winning races, I kind of thought it was like 190 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,760 Turkey trot level, like I didn't understand and that, yeah, cool, 191 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,680 you won whatever. Like I can't really pay much 192 00:11:06,680 --> 00:11:10,040 attention to it. And so yeah, my knowledge has 193 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:13,040 grown quite a bit. Which were you to BYU? 194 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:18,760 So my parents both went OK. And yeah, so my, I've the 195 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:23,080 majority of my family, my cousins, again, I've kind of 196 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:27,440 jumped all over the country, but pretty most super regularly my 197 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,760 family would be, we'll come up to Utah in the summer. 198 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:33,880 And so even though we were moving all around, Utah felt 199 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,960 like home because it was stable. It felt like this was actually 200 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,000 home base rather than anywhere else that we lived. 201 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,240 And so I just wanted, frankly, to come home. 202 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:49,040 That's what drew me here. Her dad is a die hard BYU 203 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,000 football fan and I don't think he misses any games. 204 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:55,240 And like he watches them all on TV. 205 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,720 They don't like he will fly out occasionally for some games. 206 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:02,200 So it's like it is ingrained in their in their family. 207 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,880 Yeah, they go to BYU football game. 208 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,680 I didn't, I didn't grow up with parents that cared that much 209 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:11,480 about college sports at all. So it was weird for me to like, 210 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,520 find out that Oh yeah, people, like people go all in on college 211 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,080 game day. Yeah, because I was going to say 212 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,160 like, so they are they still out in Fresno, but he'll make the 213 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,960 trip out for big football games. I'm the oldest of five, and so I 214 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:31,600 have two brothers now at BYU. And so they've come out to visit 215 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:35,120 them or to visit us. And so they've made it to games 216 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:37,440 and it's easier when there's more kids out here. 217 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:39,080 And then I still have two siblings at home. 218 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:43,680 But yeah, they do. They watch all the games and my 219 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:45,520 dad's checking stats all the time. 220 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,600 They may or may not line up the trips for with the games. 221 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:51,560 Yes. That makes sense. 222 00:12:51,560 --> 00:12:53,120 Yeah. You kill two birds with one 223 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,760 stone there. All right, So then as you're 224 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:59,240 enrolled as a student, how did the two of you meet? 225 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:03,320 We met in a so I graduated high school. 226 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:07,200 I I loved my high school experience, but I was just the 227 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:11,240 dream at that point was just to go to BYUII just wanted to go 228 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,960 home. And so when I got in, it was a 229 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:16,320 great day for me. It was kind of a dream come true 230 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,040 a little bit. And so I graduated high school 231 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:23,920 and then 20 days later started summer term at BYU. 232 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,240 Wow. And so that summer had a ton of 233 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:33,280 fun in Provo. And then anyways, fall, Connor 234 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,800 and I both ended up in a religion class together. 235 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,160 Summer was super fun for me. I loved it. 236 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:43,680 And you can you make a lot of friends, but then every semester 237 00:13:43,680 --> 00:13:47,680 is like a whole new slew of people and you move and into all 238 00:13:47,680 --> 00:13:50,520 the sudden I went from having all these friends to having no 239 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:53,160 friends. And I got pretty lonely pretty 240 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,440 quick. And so, but I remember talking 241 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,640 to my mom and I was like, I'm just so lonely. 242 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,760 And she's like, well, what are you doing after classes and 243 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,640 working? And I was like, why go home? 244 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:06,800 I'm tired. And she's like, well, that's 245 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,640 boring. She's like, you should start 246 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,880 talking to people. So I just started talking to 247 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,360 everybody. And one of those people happened 248 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:19,680 to be Conor. So that's I, I saw him sitting 249 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:25,680 in class and I he pulled out his laptop for class and it said BYU 250 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,200 track on his backpack. And I again, like, didn't really 251 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,320 know much about it. I was like, who are you on the 252 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,640 track team? It's like, yeah, I am. 253 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,640 And so and at that point, people like kind of started to 254 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,600 recognize him. So he was kind of like. 255 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:45,360 The professor is a fan. So it's like, you don't know, 256 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,120 but I don't want to be cocky anyway. 257 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:50,080 So it's just this funny thing. And I just thought he was a boy 258 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:55,320 that liked to run. And so, yeah, we just, we talked 259 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:57,960 a little bit about running and a little bit about 'cause I 260 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,920 enjoyed it. And in the class in the class. 261 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:06,280 The religion class Book of Mormon Part 2 that was the 262 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:11,360 class. And then, yeah, a couple of days 263 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:14,160 later, he's like gone for class. And I was like, oh, like, 264 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,320 where's that runner kid? Like, I don't. 265 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,400 And he was, I didn't even get his name or anything. 266 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,800 But then I'm scrolling Instagram that weekend and it was like 267 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:24,360 Conor Matt's first place at the Oregon Invitational. 268 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,000 I'm like, I think, I think that's the Book of Mormon guy. 269 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,800 I was like, sure. And so went into class and our 270 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,600 professor was a big fan and complimented him and everything. 271 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,960 So anyways, that was that's kind of how we met. 272 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,880 What were some of rather interests like outside if if it 273 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:46,440 wasn't running at the time that you 2 kind of bonded over you 274 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,680 know, initially? Well, I thought she was cute, so 275 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:52,080 I tried to act like I really knew a lot about BYU football. 276 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,280 Yeah, let's watch this BYU football game. 277 00:15:55,280 --> 00:15:56,720 What's happening? I don't know. 278 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,720 Like I I don't know if he's good or bad, but they seem to be 279 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:02,120 doing OK. I don't know. 280 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:08,360 Yeah, I, I think we just, it was interesting because of that 281 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:14,240 first part of us dating. Yeah, you had your, he had his 282 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,240 car stolen at 1 poor area travelling for races. 283 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:24,280 And so we ended up like taking just a lot of walks and it was 284 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,000 in the middle of holidays. So it was a lot of holiday 285 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,280 stuff, but it just, I don't know. 286 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,640 We're not like, I don't know. I think from an outside looking 287 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,440 in, we could be boring people, but I don't know. 288 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,640 For some reason it just worked for us. 289 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,000 Yeah, Connor, what do you remember that stood out to you 290 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,160 about just some of like those, those early, I guess dates, you 291 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,840 could even call them, but are also just like it's you're still 292 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:53,320 getting to know the person and like just spending time talking, 293 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:56,160 walking around. Like it's so hard to call it a 294 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:57,840 date when it's when it's happening. 295 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:02,280 But it's just like you, you feel that like a really strong 296 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,760 relationship is just forming and you want to kind of continue to 297 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,960 foster. That Oh yeah, I think the 298 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:09,400 biggest thing was just how happy and driven she was. 299 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:14,319 I think when somebody's smiling a lot around you, I mean, it 300 00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:16,520 definitely gets those butterflies going when you're 301 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,760 like, oh, they're, they're a happy person. 302 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:23,079 They're it's just fun to be around and then I don't know 303 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:25,599 that is that's something like I'm already attracted to is 304 00:17:25,599 --> 00:17:29,120 somebody who is has goals and wants to pursue those goals, 305 00:17:29,120 --> 00:17:32,000 whatever they are. And she was very like, I want to 306 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,360 I want to be an on that school teacher. 307 00:17:34,360 --> 00:17:37,760 I want to I want to just like do well in class. 308 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:42,080 And I came to view you for this education and I'm I don't know, 309 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:43,920 I've heard a lot of people go to school and they're like, the 310 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,080 education is kind of like the side, you know, there's side to 311 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,200 Crest like. You. 312 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:55,200 Yeah, yeah, honestly, like me, yeah, like a lot of people like 313 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,800 the social more than they the education for me, for education 314 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,560 was my side request. Running was the main quest, but 315 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:04,760 it but it was fun to find somebody that was, you know, 316 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:07,520 driven and that, you know, had similar goals. 317 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,040 So a lot of our, I feel like a lot of our time together was 318 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,440 spent just studying. Yeah, that's true. 319 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:13,960 We did do a lot of studying together. 320 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:17,120 Is it a nice reprieve? I guess like sometimes where 321 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:22,000 like for example, me and my wife, like she has a musical 322 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:26,160 theatre background and like that's fun for me because it's 323 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:29,720 not running related. And for, you know, in the 324 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,000 evening we don't talk about running. 325 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,640 Like she'll ask me how my run went and that kind of stuff 326 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:36,160 throughout the day and how work was. 327 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:40,600 But for the most time, I'll kind of want to like unplug and you 328 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,440 know, if we are watching something musical theater 329 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,280 related or some reality TV, whatever it might be, like that 330 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,320 is relaxing and something that we both share. 331 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,680 So Connor, for you, I guess like when so many people around you, 332 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:54,000 it's like, oh, Connor man's the runner. 333 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,080 Connor man's like the NCAA champion like. 334 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,600 And then at the same time, like in those first couple years with 335 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,600 Kylie, where it's sort of like she's not, you know, talking to 336 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,320 you necessarily about that kind of stuff, was that also just 337 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,560 sort of like a nice sort of escape from that? 338 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:16,000 100% I remember before we were going out, I was I was going on 339 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:17,800 this. I've been on a few days with 340 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,760 this one girl who was like seemed like a big fan of me, but 341 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,000 not a big fan of me, a big fan of Connor Mance, the runner. 342 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:31,400 And I was like, that's it. Like I'm, I'm done with dating 343 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:36,360 anybody who like cares about running because I don't know. 344 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,880 I said that then I probably would have gone back and dated 345 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,400 another person that cared about running if I hadn't met Kylie. 346 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:48,960 But like, it was like, I was so frustrated by by that, that, you 347 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,880 know, when we started dating, it was like this big thing of 348 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:56,160 relief of, oh, she doesn't even like it was a little relieving 349 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:57,440 that she didn't care about running. 350 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,640 So when we were together, we weren't talking about it. 351 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:03,560 And it was, I don't know, almost nice to just kind of like put a 352 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,680 like, I don't know, finish, finish my workout, finish my 353 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,560 left. And then it's like, Oh yeah, I 354 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,440 have to get to bed early because of running. 355 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,840 But like everything else I do between, I finish my left at 356 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,720 like 6:00 PM just the way we had our schedule. 357 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,920 And it's like for the next two hours, it's. 358 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,600 School work and hanging out with her and so that was that was 359 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:31,080 really nice, which usually just ended up being school work and 360 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:35,920 hanging out with her. But it was yeah, it was it was 361 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:39,360 nice to have somebody who didn't care about running because then 362 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:41,160 I didn't have that question asked. 363 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,240 Yeah, sometimes it is easy for me to talk about running. 364 00:20:44,360 --> 00:20:47,320 Like it is almost like I just turned my mind off and I can 365 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,200 just chat away about running but. 366 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,720 And I've found that it's like we speak a different language 367 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:56,080 sometimes, like where it's just sort of like 04 by 1 K 90 368 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,480 seconds rest is just like a sentence that makes sense to us, 369 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,480 but like to the outside person, like they're like that. 370 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:05,320 You just rattled off like a whole series of numbers without 371 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,040 explaining what each one of them means. 372 00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:11,640 And it's like, so I guess Kylie, was that just sort of like also 373 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,960 part of like a learning curve is just sometimes you just in the 374 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,560 early stages have to nod your head and be like, OK, like that 375 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:20,440 made sense to me. But it's like in you're, you're 376 00:21:20,440 --> 00:21:23,560 learning kind of how to also speak runner. 377 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,280 The yeah, it's the times. And then also like the 378 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,200 metaphors, like he fell off the back. 379 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,280 Well, the back of what? Like got dropped, got dropped. 380 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,320 Oh, he died. I'm like, oh, whoa, like, 381 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,880 anyway. And so there's a bunch of like 382 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,960 those even like kicking it in like what are you kicking? 383 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,640 Like you're not anyway, So there's there's a bunch of those 384 00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:54,960 things that it did take me a while, like especially hanging 385 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,880 out with the team. I'm like, this is like a foreign 386 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,920 language. I didn't realize that putting 1 387 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,400 foot in front of the other is that complicated. 388 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,360 But. Yeah, I I think there's nothing 389 00:22:04,360 --> 00:22:06,160 worse than just then all of a sudden people are just talking 390 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,680 about splits and they're and then pulling up their Strava 391 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,480 after a run and then it's like, but that's what we do sometimes 392 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,680 after a collective long run or something. 393 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,720 Instead of saying one O 7, we're like 67. 394 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,000 Oh, that, that took me a long time. 395 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:26,800 And it's like, like if you're like, Oh yeah, I just ran a 70 396 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,400 to 400. So that took me a long time to 397 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:36,040 Then also it was like a 72 half. Like that was a whole new like, 398 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,640 it's a 72 half. And so anyways, there's just a 399 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,200 whole other level of learning that I've had to learn. 400 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,200 Yeah. So then Kyle, I guess when did 401 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,200 you want, when did you feel like you started to lean into the 402 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,760 whole thing? Yeah, so Connor and I met, but 403 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:54,600 then COVID hit, so when we met, it was the fall of 2019. 404 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:59,840 So I went back to Fresno and in the middle of that was like, do 405 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,400 I go back to be what you want to follow? 406 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,600 Do I not? And decided to serve a church 407 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,320 service mission and was called to Washington State. 408 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,040 And so anyways, I was there for 18 months. 409 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,200 I missed his two national championships. 410 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,480 I wasn't there for that. She actually broke up with me 411 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:18,920 before she even left, so like. Like I was not. 412 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,400 For a while, we weren't even talking. 413 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:27,040 Yeah, so we wrote on my mission, but I didn't like that was I was 414 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:32,120 not involved. And so, yeah, after I came home, 415 00:23:32,120 --> 00:23:34,920 like we produce. He had already signed with Nike, 416 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:38,920 he was graduating, all of that. And we like knew that point like 417 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:40,320 we're probably going to get married. 418 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,400 And so pretty soon we were engaged and married later that 419 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,800 year. And then about six months into 420 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:50,960 US married, I was like, whoa, wait. 421 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,320 He's not just like going out for a run every day. 422 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,560 And this is a bigger deal than what it was. 423 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,080 And I'll be really honest, it was kind of frustrating. 424 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:05,840 I was not a fan of it. I, I kind of thought it seemed 425 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:09,000 really purposeless to just go for two runs a day and then sit 426 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:13,000 there and do nothing in between before and after and go to bed 427 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,880 early just to go wake up and run more. 428 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,440 It just seemed like, huh, who are you serving yourself? 429 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:21,680 Nobody else and I didn't understand that there is kind of 430 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,040 a bigger picture in how contracts worked and sponsors 431 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,400 and all the things. Are are we serving Nike? 432 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:31,280 It's true. Your employer. 433 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,200 So there were, I don't know, a lot of that. 434 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:41,160 And I remember we got back from a, he had gotten back from like 435 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,600 a 25 mile long run and I was pretty frustrated with him 436 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,000 because he didn't want to do anything. 437 00:24:47,120 --> 00:24:48,520 And I was like, that's so boring. 438 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,720 I don't care that you've ran 25 miles. 439 00:24:51,120 --> 00:24:53,360 That's really boring. And there's things that need to 440 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:55,400 be done. There's laundry that's all over 441 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,280 the place and we need to clean up. 442 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,600 And I want to do something because it's a Saturday and I 443 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:06,720 don't have school or class. And anyways, I had a pretty 444 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,160 clear like, I don't know, called impression, whatever. 445 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:14,440 Like you have no idea what he's feeling, Go try it. 446 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,680 And so that's kind of what kick started everything. 447 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,520 And I didn't tell him about that because I was kind of 448 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,520 embarrassed that I was kind of mad at him. 449 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:28,240 And so I just like started running just so I could kind of 450 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:33,280 understand it in my toe into it. And it was still like, I'll be 451 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,360 honest, it was kind of lonely at the start. 452 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:38,200 Like I don't understand. And anytime I would try to 453 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,080 include myself in things, I knew I was kind of an outsider, so it 454 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:47,000 felt kind of weird. And I wasn't slow necessarily, 455 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,800 but I wasn't fast. She actually was decently fast. 456 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,880 We ran together a few times before we were married and she 457 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,520 would run the first mile in like 650. 458 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:00,800 OK. And then it would be or 640 and 459 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,160 then she just progressively get a little sore every mile. 460 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,200 I mean average just under or about at 7 minute pace. 461 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:07,640 Why? Do they still do that? 462 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,520 Still do that? Which would kill me because I 463 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,960 would usually start at like 8 minutes and get down to like 620 464 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,400 or 630. I'd still do that. 465 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,360 But like it made that first not always just feel terrible. 466 00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:24,520 I was like how is she so fast? 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The runner Soda. 500 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,920 So the purpose there was just maybe to get an understanding of 501 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,280 what Connor was putting himself through. 502 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,800 But like, for you, what would have brought that clarity? 503 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:44,920 Because you obviously, I guess, like at that point weren't 504 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:49,240 training for any sort of race. And so how would you go about 505 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,240 like choosing what to do each one of those days that you would 506 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,200 go out there for these runs? There was no structure. 507 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,120 I would try to run as fast as I can every day and it what he 508 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:03,600 just said would happen. And so he eventually at one 509 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,240 point he was like, why are you running? 510 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,080 Like, what are you running from that type of thing? 511 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,560 Like there was a little bit of like, what are you doing? 512 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,520 Like you're decent. But I think if you actually had 513 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,720 some structure with it, you could you could do something 514 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,960 with it. And so he suggested I just start 515 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,600 going to the BYU running club, and I did. 516 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,600 And I actually totally fell in love with it. 517 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:35,280 I loved the people and I loved the workouts. 518 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,640 And I love the structure of it. Like, oh, that's why there's 519 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,600 structure. You don't go hard every day. 520 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,840 And so, yeah. And that's kind of what kick 521 00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,120 started it. And then ANYWAYS, had a couple 522 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,760 races that kind of gave me a little bit of confidence And I 523 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,880 was like, what if, what if I walked on? 524 00:29:55,120 --> 00:30:00,800 And so and I was like, I got a long ways to go, but like, what 525 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,880 if? And so I caught coach Taylor in 526 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,280 April of last year and I was like, Hey, like, I know I've got 527 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,280 a long ways to go, but like, what are your thoughts on this? 528 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,560 And what was hard is that would be in my senior year. 529 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,240 But like you said, I, I studied elementary education and so 530 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,680 right after the Olympics last year, I started student teaching 531 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,160 for the semester and then I would have one more semester and 532 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:31,520 then graduate. So I was like, I literally have 533 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,960 one semester I can maybe make next year. 534 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,040 And she's like, shoot your shot. I'm a fan of dreams, but good 535 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:42,120 luck type of thing. And it was a very open, like 536 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,760 honest, like you got it. And if you can make it happen, I 537 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,880 can make it happen. But if not, you have a lot on 538 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,800 your plate type of thing. And so I really started training 539 00:30:54,800 --> 00:31:01,200 after we got up to Park City last year and things were 540 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:06,160 looking good. And then we were out in Europe. 541 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:08,960 And then all the sudden I started it from my calf a little 542 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,520 bit. I was like, well, something's 543 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,320 going on. And so it took me out for a long 544 00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:17,120 time, started student teaching and I was like, I'll probably be 545 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:22,280 put in like in older grade. That's why I recommended it will 546 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,480 be fine. And I was put in in a full day 547 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:25,960 kindergarten class. Oh wow. 548 00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,040 And I was like, oh man. So. 549 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:29,440 Those kids get sick all the time. 550 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,680 They get sick all the time, they're exhausting. 551 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,000 There were 25 of them. It was, there were way, it was 552 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,960 too much. And so, but I was still pretty 553 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:44,240 committed to this goal. And so I would wake up like 5:00 554 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,960 AM and go do workouts on our wood way downstairs. 555 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,040 And so I would do that, go teach kindergarten all day and then 556 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,480 come home and lift your cross train or whatever. 557 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,120 Or I would just cross train a ton when I was still hurting. 558 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:02,560 And so I really wasn't back running until mid-october of 559 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,640 last year. And I was like, I have tryouts 560 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,400 in January. Yeah. 561 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,000 Was there a time that Coach Taylor had like floated out 562 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,440 there? If you can hit this, then you 563 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,120 have a chance. Or was it? 564 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,000 Yeah. Coach Taylor has a different way 565 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,840 of trying to having athletes try out and she just switched it 566 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,640 because there was a year she gave times and people started 567 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,040 hitting the times or there was some a girl that hit the times 568 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,120 or a couple of girls at the times and then they could never 569 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:34,120 hang on for workouts and they just didn't fit in with the 570 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,200 team. So she's like, it's not so much 571 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,680 about if you can hit a time on one day, can you keep up in my 572 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,000 workouts? Oh. 573 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,320 Wow. So it was kind of which I, I 574 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,760 really appreciated it. I actually thought it was a 575 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,440 personally better strategy than the time thing. 576 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:57,280 And so, but I only had like 2 months and so I was working with 577 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,000 RPT. He kind of was coaching me 578 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,160 through it. And about two months that you 579 00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:06,280 were healthy or two. She only gave you 2 weeks of 580 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,800 tryout right? Well, yeah, before then, like 581 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:14,320 just my build up before our PT was kind of helping me and then 582 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:21,200 I tried out for two weeks and I guess that like first workout, 583 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,080 she told me when to show up. Then I hopped on the back of the 584 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:29,640 train and was just going to plan on hanging on and she let the 585 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:33,640 first group go of the top girls and then I jumped on the back of 586 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,320 the other girls. And anyways, I remember the 587 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,200 start of that first Rep felt like the start of a roller 588 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,480 coaster. It was so much faster than 589 00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,760 anything I had ever done, pure Coach Taylor style. 590 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:51,480 Like it was just like we're going off fast from the gun type 591 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,000 of thing. And I was like, I don't know if 592 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,480 I can do this. And so the first, the first 593 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:02,160 workout day didn't go super well, but she was like, well, 594 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,240 I'll, I'll give you the two weeks. 595 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:08,440 And it was interesting to see after a while it, it got a 596 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,719 little bit better. And so at the end it wasn't 597 00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,400 like, hurray, you made it. I was like, am I on? 598 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:18,199 And she's like, we'll make sure you get a locker and we'll see 599 00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:21,639 you on Tuesday type of thing. Like there wasn't a clear you 600 00:34:21,639 --> 00:34:24,639 made it type of thing. It was just like, go, go, make 601 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:28,280 sure everything's OK with compliance, compliance. 602 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,920 And I was like, I guess I'm on. So I just kept showing out then. 603 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:35,719 But yeah, that's kind of how that all started. 604 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,840 The interesting part, and I bet people listening to this are 605 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,080 probably wondering, it's like Connor, you seem to have like 606 00:34:42,199 --> 00:34:45,760 kept your distance from this whole thing and allowed Kylie to 607 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,040 just go for this mostly on her own. 608 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,840 Like, or were you there to kind of chime in here and there on 609 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,520 like, hey, I think you should do this? 610 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:58,880 Or like what was sort of like the separation there of her 611 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,440 goals versus like your own sort of like, hey, like I'm pretty 612 00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,840 good at this writing thing. Like I could probably chime in 613 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,240 with a little bit of advice if you need it. 614 00:35:07,240 --> 00:35:09,960 Yeah, yeah, it's definitely hard because I want to play the 615 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,480 husband role, not the smart, not the coaching role. 616 00:35:14,720 --> 00:35:17,720 I'm I want her to come home and if she's complaining about, you 617 00:35:17,720 --> 00:35:20,280 know, her workout or something, I could be like, Oh yeah, that 618 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,080 was that. You know, that was too much. 619 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,360 That workout. That's a crappy workout. 620 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,280 They gave you too much. Whoever it was, it was Coach 621 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,040 Sugar at the time. I didn't want to be like, you 622 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,680 know, I don't want to. I don't want to take the blame 623 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,880 for the bad decisions I would make. 624 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:40,680 That's since changed. Some that no, I mean that's I 625 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,080 say that, you know, kind of jokingly. 626 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,200 I would I would give a lot of advice, but I think it was still 627 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:50,280 hard for her to like understand that I was good at that. 628 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,600 Like, you know, it's not just me who who folds the clothes wrong 629 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,840 husband. He's giving her advice on 630 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,120 running. You know, like I might fold the 631 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,200 clothes wrong and might be bad at like all these other things 632 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,320 that you or like I might have a different way. 633 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:07,120 But in running, I actually know what I'm doing. 634 00:36:07,720 --> 00:36:12,240 And so I think that was hard for her to, to really like, you 635 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:15,160 know, separate their like my knowledge from my, from my 636 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:20,280 relationship a little bit. And so I would, I would try and 637 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:21,880 give advice. She wouldn't really listen to 638 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,760 it. I would, I was always like, Hey, 639 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,560 your easy runs need to be like 8 minute pace, 8 minute pace. 640 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,600 And she'd always start them at sub 7 minute pace. 641 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,280 And I'd like No 8 minute pace. Some of us just do that. 642 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,400 I'm guilty of that. Oh yeah. 643 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,640 Feel good. Yeah, yeah, I guess if you feel 644 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:40,640 good some days it's all right. But I was very like big on just 645 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:45,360 hit this pace and it I realized that Rihanna, she didn't really 646 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,200 listen to me. And then somebody else would say 647 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,840 the same thing and spec hey, I'm going to try this now. 648 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,440 And I've been like I said that 20 times so early on. 649 00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,840 It got to the point where it was like, you know, I'm not going to 650 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:59,600 be I'm not going to be the coach. 651 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:03,040 I'll, I'll give you advice, but I'm not going to be there like 652 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,920 I'll be there in time your workouts based off what somebody 653 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,440 else says. And also like if she when she 654 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,320 was doing her student teaching, I would show up on the days that 655 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,680 she didn't have to be at at least you'd be able to track and 656 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:20,360 she didn't have to be at on our treadmill at like 5. 657 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:24,040 AMI would run to the track with her and I would timer and I 658 00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:28,200 would be like, all right, well, he said hit this 803 minutes and 659 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,400 you ran it in 248. So I need you to slow down 12 660 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,760 seconds. I was like, oh, but he probably, 661 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,720 he would probably just say just slow down to, you know, 255 or 662 00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:39,480 something. And so I'd be very, I don't 663 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:43,120 know, I try and be very good at giving information, but I think 664 00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:47,520 it's just hard to look past the relationship of spouse and be 665 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,880 like, you know, very when somebody else coaches, you must 666 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,200 just let them to make all the decisions. 667 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:56,320 But for a spouse, it's kind of like a lot of our decisions are 668 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,560 we do them together. So it's weird. 669 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,920 It was, I think, hard for her to be like, why are you telling me 670 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,600 what to do with such like sternness and such and making 671 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,160 everything so cut and dry? Like don't tell me what to do. 672 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,120 I know like I want to know what to do, but I don't want to know. 673 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,160 I don't want you to be the one to tell me what to do. 674 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:15,800 I guess. Is that is that a better way of 675 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,760 explaining it? Yeah, there was a little bit of 676 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,040 pride. There. 677 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,880 But then I I yeah, that has. I cannot since changed a little 678 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,160 bit. So we, we've kind of covered 679 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:28,960 just sort of like your dive into running. 680 00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:33,640 But then when it came to racing, because I guess I remember being 681 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,880 at BU in February, I think it was. 682 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:41,720 And Connor, I think and Clayton had done like a long run on the 683 00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:45,360 course earlier that day. And then when I ran into the two 684 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:49,880 of them at BU that evening, Connor had mentioned how he was 685 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:54,040 there for you and that, you know, you were in the process 686 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,200 of, you know, trying to walk on to the team. 687 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,960 So at that point, just sort of, you know, take me to being at 688 00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,160 BYU and putting a bib on and, you know, kind of throwing 689 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,240 yourself into the arena with college kids. 690 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,760 What was that like? I've I've walked BU from my 691 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,120 brain a little bit. That was it was so it was a 3K 692 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,720 coach was like you because I the team was out there, but she's 693 00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:20,160 like you're not officially on the team. 694 00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,680 But if you and Connor are out there, maybe you can just try to 695 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:25,400 run on attached and just get a little feel for it. 696 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:29,920 So I was like, OK, sounds good. Is this after you got through 697 00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,440 the two weeks of workouts with them and? 698 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,880 Yes. I think this is right at the end 699 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,520 of the two weeks. Something like that. 700 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,840 She was like, if you make it then it'll just be outdoor 701 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,960 season, it won't be indoor. And so she's just like, we'll 702 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,760 just kind of get you through workouts and get to the team 703 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,640 experience, not so much travelling and racing. 704 00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:54,800 And so anyways, that was, I think I learned I don't totally 705 00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,000 love the track. It just it felt like a Stampede 706 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,520 of people and it kind of freaked me out a little bit. 707 00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:05,440 And that, that track's scary for sure, because it's so tight and 708 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,240 so fast. That was her first time. 709 00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,440 The race was her first time ever ran out of 200 meter. 710 00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,280 Yeah, I never, I never done that. 711 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,320 And you can lose count quick. So it was, I don't know and it 712 00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,000 was so loud and I anyways, it was just a little bit over 713 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,600 stimulating for me and we finished and Coach Taylor really 714 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:27,760 wasn't upset or anything. She's just like, this obviously 715 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,000 is not your event and that's just fine. 716 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,760 So she was super complimentary and good, which I really 717 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,440 appreciate it, but it was a scary race. 718 00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,600 I didn't do that. You. 719 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,480 You. She kind of panicked. 720 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:42,800 Really. Well, no, I didn't. 721 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:44,000 You shouldn't say she kind of panicked. 722 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,400 She panicked. I totally did be really honest. 723 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,560 There was a little bit like, wow, this is a lot. 724 00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:54,760 Yeah, the race went out slow for that group and it just but. 725 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,440 Yeah, I got stuck. Yeah, and then I got. 726 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,520 Boxed in and all the things, but I guess putting on that when I 727 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,960 was officially traveling with them right before the Stanford 728 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:13,320 invite, I got my uniform like the day before and that was I 729 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:16,040 think that was that was the goal is to wear BYU uniform. 730 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,640 It wasn't like yes, making the team, but just representing BYU 731 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,880 and what it's been for me was kind of the goal. 732 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,720 And so I kind of felt like I just I'm doing it type of thing. 733 00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:32,280 No, I'm not the top girl and anyway, but this is this is 734 00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,480 really special for me. And so I totally put it on the 735 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,400 night before as I was packing and wore it like it looked, I 736 00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,040 looked like a little kid and I don't know, they're Princess 737 00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,680 outfit dancing around like it was really that was a tender 738 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:50,240 moment for me. And so that was super special. 739 00:41:50,240 --> 00:41:54,320 Traveling with a team was a whole other experience and just 740 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,640 fun. Like I think not at that point 741 00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,960 did I totally understand Connor going back to the why, what 742 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,920 brought me in. But now when he talks about 743 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:08,360 like, oh, when we traveled as a team, this was a super fun race 744 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,160 and experience. I have an inkling into what he's 745 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:12,280 talking about. So. 746 00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,120 Yeah. So I guess were you a little bit 747 00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:19,120 more like hyper aware to that because you'd heard Connor, you 748 00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:23,160 know, tell stories from whatever trips that he was on that you 749 00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:26,600 kind of were like, I'm kind of writing that chapter for myself, 750 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,680 like right in this very moment. And that must have been like a 751 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,520 cool awareness that you had versus maybe like for other 752 00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,840 people who've been recruited and been part of these teams from 753 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:38,920 freshman year. It's just sort of you go through 754 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,280 the motions and then it eventually does catch up to you. 755 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,520 By the end of your senior year, you're like, maybe I should have 756 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,600 appreciated that more. But you knowing that you had 757 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:51,400 such just A1 limited season, like every moment I feel like 758 00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,280 you had a greater appreciation for. 759 00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:56,240 Totally, yeah. And I kind of hyper focused on 760 00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:57,720 it because I just knew it would end. 761 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,440 Yeah, I just. It was pretty special and 762 00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:04,000 awesome. And so yeah, I'll sure shot 763 00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,800 forever. I think it and it did it. 764 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,000 I felt like whenever he would talk about it, I just couldn't 765 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,240 relate. And there wasn't very much. 766 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:14,160 It was more just Connor telling me a story that I couldn't talk 767 00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,920 about analyze, and that bugged me. 768 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:22,000 And so now we can kind of talk a little more and I understand. 769 00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,360 I just understand the process a little bit better. 770 00:43:25,720 --> 00:43:30,400 You made the team, you got the uniform on, you get a race on 771 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,800 the schedule. So then you know, what goals did 772 00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,600 you have for yourself in the one season? 773 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,680 It was more so like Stanford, I ran the 10K and coach was funny. 774 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,240 She's she was really sweet and was just like, we just want you 775 00:43:44,240 --> 00:43:48,000 to have a good experience. Like we're not here to like get 776 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,400 a crazy time or anything. Like we just want you to finish 777 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,280 and be proud of what you're able to do. 778 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,400 And so I don't, I raced then there and then I raced at Brian 779 00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,600 Clay and I raced a 5K there. So she's like, I don't want you 780 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,360 to totally do a back-to-back 10. So let's break it up. 781 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,440 Brian Clay to me is a little bit special because that's I travel 782 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:14,640 with the club team the year before and had a great race 783 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,280 there. And that's kind of what gave me 784 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,400 the idea maybe I could walk on. So it was kind of a full circle 785 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:25,320 moment for me to go back and that race went good, not great. 786 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,560 I don't feel like I ever raced to my full potential. 787 00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,160 I just didn't have time and I didn't have the experience 788 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,600 before and so I feel like the times I hit were nothing 789 00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:37,640 spectacular and that's fine. It was. 790 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,240 It was an experience thing, not a performance thing. 791 00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,080 How did you find balancing? I guess like still, you know, 792 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,640 the process of, you know, getting ready to teach, like all 793 00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,280 of a sudden you added the student part or the athlete part 794 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,240 to student athlete. You know, in that final, I guess 795 00:44:54,240 --> 00:44:58,640 at that point you were just, you weren't necessarily teaching or 796 00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:00,400 taking like a full set of of classes. 797 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,080 So like how did you balance that sort of workload as well? 798 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,000 Oh gosh. Well, I had some major 799 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,360 senioritis and I I had, I guess maybe I should specify because 800 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,040 that makes me look like a bad student. 801 00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:16,320 But yeah, like after my student teaching that previous fall, I 802 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:20,200 had a GE, a class for my major and a class for my minor. 803 00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:25,440 And so they were all like, yeah, it was insignificant to my 804 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:27,680 overall GPA and if I would graduate or not. 805 00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:34,000 And so sure, yes, the classes got done, but just the the focus 806 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,680 was on running. So it was kind of, it was kind 807 00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:39,240 of fun in a little bit. I don't feel like I totally 808 00:45:39,240 --> 00:45:45,720 understand the I'm taking 1415 credits and I still have to run, 809 00:45:45,720 --> 00:45:51,000 so I don't have that experience. But I did just I, it wasn't, it 810 00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,720 wasn't student athlete, it was forget the student. 811 00:45:53,720 --> 00:45:56,440 I'll just be the athlete for these couple of months, which 812 00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:57,840 was kind of fun. All right, cool. 813 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,000 So you weren't in, you know, the stands at BU with like, 814 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,240 textbooks like some people probably were. 815 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:08,720 No, I I was actually, I totally, yes, I do remember that. 816 00:46:08,720 --> 00:46:11,280 Because you wanted to watch more? 817 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,800 No, it was the next day. It was all the men's races and I 818 00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,120 was like, we got to go. I still have homework, but I 819 00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:19,080 like brought it. So you and Clayton are like 820 00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,680 watching everybody. And I'd come up and watch people 821 00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,040 race, but I was said. Casey yeah, the Thompsons, you 822 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:29,240 had Kaden Shrautner and Kenneth and James Corrigan. 823 00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:30,760 Yeah, like I had missed all those. 824 00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,360 Yeah, it had to be there. Like I'm not paying for a flow 825 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,480 track while I'm already in Boston, yeah. 826 00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,000 Right, right. I'm like, I'm here. 827 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:42,680 I should, I'm, I can be on the track right now. 828 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,920 We got to pay for actually the admission there was a little 829 00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,480 expensive. They charged you? 830 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,760 Yeah. I think it was like 12 or 15 831 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:53,280 bucks or something. BYBU just everything it's the 832 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,000 richest track you know, in America, just with entry fees 833 00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,560 like they, they, they make an absolute killing. 834 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,040 All right, back to to Kylie. Your your your season ends. 835 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,720 Then what? Like how did you feel like all 836 00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:09,760 right, there was untapped potential. 837 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,600 I want to keep exploring what I could do with running. 838 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,560 It was kind of, I guess like after I'd erased a little bit, 839 00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,520 it's like, man, can I make it to regionals? 840 00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:22,040 But there was really no time. And so that was what was hard. 841 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,440 So we like tried at the BYU home meet, but I was like the only 842 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:30,600 girl in the race and running 25 laps was I just I just couldn't. 843 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,160 And so anyways, it just was it ended up kind of being a blow 844 00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,360 over race and whatever. But coach was just like, well, 845 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,040 you did it. You hit, I mean, you hit the 846 00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,520 goal, which is to walk on and get the experience and so great. 847 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:47,480 But she kind of put a little bug in my ear and was like, what 848 00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,280 about Utah Valley half? And I was like, it was just kind 849 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,400 of interesting. Like she still wanted me to keep 850 00:47:53,400 --> 00:48:00,160 going and, and I ended a little bit sad, but it, it, it just 851 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:03,200 felt like I didn't, I didn't see the full potential pretty much. 852 00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,800 And so that's the only thing I'm like, but what can you do in a 853 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,520 semester? Like you just can't, I don't 854 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:10,680 know. There's only so much you can do. 855 00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:15,920 So but then he was headed to Boulder, Boulder. 856 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:20,200 And so I was like, well, I'm just, I'm here to support and 857 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,160 might as well jump in it. I can run the race and then go 858 00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:24,920 sit in the stands and watch him come in. 859 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:29,400 And so I ran that. It was a really hard race, but 860 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,160 because it was totally raining and rough, But so I did that one 861 00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:35,440 and that was two weeks before Utah Valley Half. 862 00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:40,000 And Utah Valley Half went really well. 863 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,600 I came in second there and it was a great race. 864 00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:50,320 And so, but Utah Valley Half was right around when the the OTQ 865 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:54,080 came out. And so after running the half, 866 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,080 I'm like, OK, I was already back to where I was back in April 867 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:00,680 2024. It was like, OK, I got a long 868 00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,840 ways to go, but can we make this happen? 869 00:49:03,840 --> 00:49:05,720 So I was already back at square 1. 870 00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:09,040 And so I didn't realize that I had a little more of a 871 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,200 competitive drive in me than I initially thought. 872 00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:13,800 And so that's kind of where it started. 873 00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:16,960 But we didn't want to like fully commit to a marathon. 874 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,760 Like that's kind of extreme to go from like BYU track to a 875 00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:22,720 marathon. And so we're like, I don't know, 876 00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:24,800 but we'll just we'll keep racket the mileage. 877 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:29,000 I love long runs. I think Saturday is the best day 878 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,080 of the week for us. Like it's super, super fun to 879 00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,080 just I feel better the more miles I have. 880 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:39,840 And so it was kind of fun to just climb mileage and keep 881 00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,080 doing workouts. And there is there's a group of 882 00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,600 girls here who were all trying to go for the OTQ. 883 00:49:45,720 --> 00:49:49,120 And so we're, we call ourselves the OTQ DS. 884 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,520 And so that's kind of our our group. 885 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:56,840 And I think it, it went from like a team aspect of BYU to 886 00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,480 like a group aspect trying to shoot for this goal. 887 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,720 And it's not a place thing. It's a time thing. 888 00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:05,000 And so we all feel like we can support each other. 889 00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,600 And so I just totally fell in love with it. 890 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,640 And then we were kind of getting to a point, I don't know, it was 891 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,320 probably like probably September, end of August. 892 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:19,440 They're like, maybe we'll do. Maybe we'll actually, maybe I'll 893 00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,000 run New York. Maybe we can, Saint George. 894 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,520 Because I remember seeing you guys in New York and like, I 895 00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,280 don't think there really was a marathon really on the calendar 896 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,800 at that point. And even like, I guess like you 897 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:35,760 just mentioned seeing the OTQ come out, but I think I remember 898 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,520 like bringing it up very, maybe very impassing. 899 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,560 And I think it was brushed off fairly quickly. 900 00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:46,800 And what I'm wondering is when your curiosity got to you about 901 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:52,080 like the OTQ, when did you first verbalize that to Connor? 902 00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:54,800 Who brought it up first? Then also just sort of like, was 903 00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,080 that just something you're like, hey, like eventually like you, 904 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,920 you do get, you know, share it with the people you're training 905 00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,440 with, But like, how long did you kind of want to keep that just 906 00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,840 sort of idea to yourself? He mentioned it, I didn't Oh, 907 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,320 OK, so I ran like a 75 minute half. 908 00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,920 Yeah. And so he's like, OK, it, I 909 00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,040 don't know, you can't explain it better, but he did a little bit 910 00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,440 of calculations like OK, if you get, if you want it under a sub 911 00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:26,240 72, then that works for the standard or. 912 00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,160 You have to do that within a year though. 913 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,360 Yes. And he's like that. 914 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,640 That might be a little bit steep, but I think if it right 915 00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:37,640 now it would probably be steep to go for the marathon OTQ, but 916 00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,360 maybe we could probably get you there. 917 00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,240 So that kind of put a bug. Yeah, I feel like it's easier to 918 00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:44,600 hit the marathon time than the half marathon time. 919 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,160 And maybe that's me just trying to analyze how the men's is and 920 00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:53,920 thinking about that, but. Yeah, so and we, I don't know if 921 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,480 I kept it, I might have it depends. 922 00:51:56,480 --> 00:51:59,440 Like it depends on the setting. Sometimes it's like just want to 923 00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,760 finish a marathon and other times it's like I'm actually all 924 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,680 my workouts are tailored towards this time type of thing. 925 00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:11,520 The Sidious Mac Podcast is presented by Gnomeo Performance 926 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,800 from the inside out. 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And I remember they looked at 1018 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,760 your Strava and they're like, is Kylie Manns going for an OTQ at 1019 00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,040 an upcoming marathon? And it's just sort of you see 1020 00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:34,640 how the workouts are going or the long runs. 1021 00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:37,200 And it's like, it would make sense. 1022 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:40,640 And then, you know, eventually we'd see this result just pop 1023 00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:45,240 up. And so committing to two cities, 1024 00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,880 like, take me through sort of like that thought process of 1025 00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,080 like, knowing that the time was right to give this a shot, at 1026 00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,160 least your first marathon. Not necessarily. 1027 00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,640 I guess it also was an OTQ attempt. 1028 00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,560 Yeah, yeah. So I went home at the end of 1029 00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:03,200 August. My brother had received his 1030 00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,280 mission call. This time, home is Fresno. 1031 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:07,280 Home is not BYU. Yes. 1032 00:58:08,600 --> 00:58:11,640 And so I was there when he opened his call, all the things 1033 00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:14,440 was there for family and I went out for a run. 1034 00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:19,080 And since I've graduated and Connor and I have been married, 1035 00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:22,680 I've actually had a better relationship with like 1036 00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:25,480 Buchanan's track and field coaches. 1037 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:28,360 And so I'm in contact with them all the time now, which is 1038 00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:36,400 really funny. But I met up with them on my in 1039 00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:41,040 the middle of my long run when I was there and they're like, so 1040 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:44,360 it kind of looks like you're, you're running really well. 1041 00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,680 What's like, what's your plan type of thing? 1042 00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:50,200 And I was like, I don't know, maybe, maybe New York, all these 1043 00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:53,600 things and. We did consider Berlin a little 1044 00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:55,360 bit. Oh yeah, we did consider Berlin 1045 00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:57,320 for a while, but we felt like that was a little bit close. 1046 00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,520 And so anyways, they're like, well, why don't you just come 1047 00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,960 home and do 2 cities? And I was like, is it USATF 1048 00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:07,920 certified? And they're like, it is. 1049 00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,880 And I was like, and they're like, it's flat, you know, the 1050 00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:14,600 course and it, it seems really easy for a first marathon. 1051 00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:16,480 And so that kind of put a bug in my ear. 1052 00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,240 So shout out to them for doing that. 1053 00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:23,000 But yeah, so then a couple weeks went by before we were like, 1054 00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:27,480 fully committed and we reached out to CJ Albertson because he 1055 00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:29,600 like goes and wins it and does it for a workout. 1056 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:32,720 I think you're on like 211 there. 1057 00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:34,280 Yeah. Oh wow. 1058 00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:38,520 One of the, one of his many two actually an extra 211 that I 1059 00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:41,560 think nobody knew about. He's like you and that one. 1060 00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:44,880 And then I think it was like CIM and then the one in Mexico the 1061 00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:46,080 next week. Yeah, Yeah. 1062 00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,320 That was last year. Yeah, yeah. 1063 00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,320 Yeah, something like that. But he anyway, so he's been kind 1064 00:59:51,320 --> 00:59:53,720 of our connecting point making it all happen. 1065 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,920 So he got us in contact with the race director and all the 1066 00:59:56,920 --> 01:00:01,080 things. So yeah, that's kind of it was 1067 01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:04,960 the the Buchanan track and field coaches that kind of gave me the 1068 01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:07,240 idea. And then that just made sense. 1069 01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:11,480 It was after Chicago. And so I don't want to race. 1070 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,840 I realized I didn't really want to race before I did. 1071 01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,400 I just didn't want that added thinking before. 1072 01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:22,840 And so, yeah, so that's what we ended up doing and I don't 1073 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:24,160 regret it. I'm happy with it. 1074 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,000 All right, so let's dive into the actual race. 1075 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:31,280 And I loved your Strava recap as well. 1076 01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:33,760 All right, so Connor told me just sort of the story of how 1077 01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:41,880 he, I think, just wrote his post American record Strava recap in 1078 01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:43,680 the hotel. I think it was the next one. 1079 01:00:43,680 --> 01:00:46,160 He woke up and like you kicked him out of the the bedroom or 1080 01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:50,800 whatever it was and he got to typing up his recap. 1081 01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,000 So yours also very lengthy. When did you type this whole 1082 01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,560 thing up? Oh, it was on our flight home. 1083 01:00:56,880 --> 01:01:00,040 I was like, because I was like, I want to be with family today. 1084 01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,200 So I think I quickly like uploaded it and was like, I'll 1085 01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,200 upload this soon or something like because I know people 1086 01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:07,840 wanted to know and you can't watch the race. 1087 01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:12,720 And so anyway, so I put that, but I was like, I have to get 1088 01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:16,240 this done before my surgery. And so I was doing it on the 1089 01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,640 flight home. OK, Took me a long time, right? 1090 01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,640 Yeah, it's but it's always good to get it down when those 1091 01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,960 thoughts are are fresh. So all right, I'm, I'm pulling 1092 01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:32,080 it up right now So training I guess we kind of covered had 1093 01:01:32,080 --> 01:01:37,600 been going really well the actual pace itself 550-8559 per 1094 01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,400 mile. What did you sort of like think 1095 01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:42,400 of that? Cause like there's so many times 1096 01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:46,480 in workouts where I'm sure you look down at the pace on your 1097 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,400 watch and then you're just like, how am I going to be able to 1098 01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:53,640 run, you know, X amount of seconds faster for 26.2 miles 1099 01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:57,840 without stopping? But for you OTQ pace, like was 1100 01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:04,600 it nerve racking, comfortable like or pretty unknown is kind 1101 01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,040 of I think how you describe it toward the beginning. 1102 01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,880 Yeah. And I think like workouts, 1103 01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:12,040 what's funny is that most of your workouts are faster than 1104 01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:15,760 OTQ base unless you're doing like a marathon specific 1105 01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:19,760 workout. But for me, I just kind of 1106 01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:25,320 sometimes I panic because it's just I look at things as a whole 1107 01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,200 instead of breaking them down into parts. 1108 01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:31,120 And so I'm like, there's no way I can run 26 miles at this, even 1109 01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:36,720 though I'll do long runs at a 620 pace like anyway. 1110 01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,840 So just sometimes I just would kind of doubt myself a little 1111 01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,080 bit. And so when we kind of realized 1112 01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:46,760 that we just don't want the panic to happen in the middle of 1113 01:02:46,760 --> 01:02:50,680 the race, that's when Connor was like, what if I just pace you 1114 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,280 and you're not, You can start your watch, but you can't look 1115 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,160 at it. And I thought like, that was 1116 01:02:56,160 --> 01:03:00,640 actually really a genius idea. Then I actually didn't look at 1117 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:03,920 my watch the full time. So I actually was pretty 1118 01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:07,480 committed to that. But yeah, there was a little bit 1119 01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,960 of, I didn't totally know what to expect. 1120 01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:15,040 I thought I did. There's really no, in my 1121 01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,280 opinion, I don't think that there's really a way to fully 1122 01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,040 stimulate what a marathon feels like without raising a marathon. 1123 01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,120 Because if you try to stimulate it, your race is done. 1124 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,240 So you did it in training. You can do parts of it, but 1125 01:03:28,240 --> 01:03:32,280 that's why your marathon pace workouts are never 26 miles. 1126 01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:35,440 It always has to be a little bit shorter. 1127 01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:40,360 And so anyways, that's, I think there was just a whole lot of 1128 01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:45,280 learning of like this is what it feels like to run that far in a 1129 01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:46,960 race setting trying to go for this. 1130 01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:49,560 So yeah, there's a lot. Of unknown. 1131 01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:54,480 You recruited Connor to pace. So many people would be just 1132 01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,560 blown away by like, all right, I would love to have the American 1133 01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,520 record holder pace me for the marathon. 1134 01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:04,400 Connor, how did you feel about your sort of your assignment and 1135 01:04:04,400 --> 01:04:08,240 role in all of this? Because like, yes, I'm sure the 1136 01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,160 pace feels really easy, but then at the same time, it's sort of 1137 01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:16,840 like you want to provide extra stuff, motivation, keeping her 1138 01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,840 calm throughout. So, you know, how did you assess 1139 01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,680 your job in in this race? Well, initially I did. 1140 01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:31,400 I paced her in a workout about 12 days beforehand with another 1141 01:04:31,480 --> 01:04:35,480 like another local runner who like is an OTQ guy. 1142 01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:40,680 Oh, you know, I'll be yeah, so me and I'll be paced her in an 8 1143 01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:45,680 mile PMP and the goal was OK, let's keep around, you know, 1144 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,560 550-9558 pace. And we were a little quick, but 1145 01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:53,240 she was like seem to be chilling and I'll be and I were just 1146 01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:55,480 chatting the whole time. I wasn't looking at my watch. 1147 01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:57,480 She wasn't looking at her watch. That was like the first. 1148 01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:58,520 Like, you can't look at your watch. 1149 01:04:58,520 --> 01:04:59,760 I don't want you to panic at all. 1150 01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,960 And she closed really quick. And so we were like, oh, maybe 1151 01:05:02,960 --> 01:05:05,640 this like, let's go out at this pace. 1152 01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,680 And she's like, I was really nice having you talk to someone. 1153 01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:14,320 And so when we get to the race course, I'm talking, I get to, I 1154 01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:17,040 guess it was the day before the race, we're talking to CJ and 1155 01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:18,920 he's like, hey, there's going to be another guy who's going to 1156 01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:20,920 run who's trying to appear on the marathon. 1157 01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:22,560 He's going to run about that pace too. 1158 01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,320 You guys are trying to run. I'm like, perfect. 1159 01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:27,880 And then we actually had a little group and they were 1160 01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:32,240 pretty talkative and it was like, this is what Kylie asked 1161 01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:36,160 for. His name is one of the guys name 1162 01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:40,280 is Steve and he was a professor exercise science at I think 1163 01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:42,560 Fresno State. Personal Pacific. 1164 01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,120 Oh, is he? I thought he was at Fresno 1165 01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,600 State, but he he initially did his undergraduate president. 1166 01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:52,800 I wasn't all there anyway, me and he were just chatting and 1167 01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:54,680 we're having fun and Kylie's like. 1168 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,320 I think you're on mile 10. She's like, can you? 1169 01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:00,400 Guys, I was like, you guys need to stop talking. 1170 01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:04,880 So I felt really, really bad and stupid right after I said that. 1171 01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:09,520 But I think in I don't know, it could have been a little bit of 1172 01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:13,560 anxiety that hit, which we kind of I get. 1173 01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:17,040 It's just one of those like I just didn't know what my body 1174 01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:22,560 would feel like that in feeling frankly is if anyone has struck 1175 01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:29,200 my Strava, it's it's been hard. It's just really weird for me to 1176 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:33,280 try to eat and run that just like doesn't doesn't work in my 1177 01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,520 head. And so corners of the opinion I 1178 01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:41,920 just need more practice with it and some gut training a little 1179 01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:46,600 bit, but a combination of a little bit of anxiety and lack 1180 01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:51,560 of feeling is my I think. And I said this in all my posts, 1181 01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,600 but just like I, I don't think it was a true display of my 1182 01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:58,160 fitness and so. It was going to be a little bit 1183 01:06:58,160 --> 01:07:03,520 of a a stretch for her to hit the Olympic Trials qualifying 1184 01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,240 time. Others think different and I 1185 01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:08,000 would agree with Connor. Yeah, anyways. 1186 01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:11,760 I, I, yeah, I thought it was going to be, you know, you had 1187 01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,760 to have a really good day. And so kind of our goal heading 1188 01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,880 in as in my mind, and we talked about this beforehand, it was 1189 01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,800 actually pretty similar to my, my goal in my mind for the 1190 01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,760 Olympic trials, for the Olympic trials, for the American record 1191 01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:30,920 was if I break it up and I say I need to run 445 pace as long as 1192 01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:35,960 I can, that seems a lot easier than saying I run a two O 5 or 1193 01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,040 two O 4 marathon. And so for me, I was like, all 1194 01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:42,320 right, Kelly, like your goal like this way, it doesn't feel 1195 01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:45,640 like a failure if you fall off, but is how long can you hold 1196 01:07:45,640 --> 01:07:51,560 550-8559 pace? And you know, if you do it the 1197 01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:53,880 whole way, perfect. But if not, like it's 1198 01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:56,440 understandable. And we had a few, a few fast 1199 01:07:56,440 --> 01:08:01,560 miles in there, but that was like my mindset to help her was 1200 01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:04,560 let's just hold on to five 58559 pace. 1201 01:08:06,440 --> 01:08:09,880 But she kept passing me. I'm not very good about pacing, 1202 01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:13,800 but I. I think I was unnecessary for 1203 01:08:13,800 --> 01:08:19,560 the first for the 1st 13 miles. Yeah, I think again, I have a 1204 01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:22,479 little bit of an issue with just looking at things as a whole 1205 01:08:22,479 --> 01:08:25,479 rather than break it up. So once he said that it was more 1206 01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:30,439 of a a process school and like a challenge than so much of an 1207 01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:35,359 expectation. And it was funny and I I 1208 01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:40,600 mentioned this, but I was when I realized that I'd fallen off, my 1209 01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:44,560 brain goes to just quit and I'm trying to work on that a little 1210 01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,600 bit. And that's again something that 1211 01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:48,640 I'm psychologically trying to do. 1212 01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:50,880 What was the advice your friends all gave you? 1213 01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:56,040 Just don't stop. If you stop, it hurts that much 1214 01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,040 more. And so don't stop. 1215 01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:00,920 And so I was at a point where I was like, I don't care. 1216 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:04,399 I'm done. And I honestly think if Connor 1217 01:09:04,399 --> 01:09:06,600 wasn't there, I don't know if I would have finished. 1218 01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,240 That's that's the true reality. So sure, I might have pushed the 1219 01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:16,200 pace and I wasn't the best person to pace, but I think that 1220 01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:19,200 was his role that day. It was to remind me remember the 1221 01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:24,720 actual goals to not stop and so and also it was a reassess of 1222 01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:29,399 expectations. And I was probably what, mile 1223 01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:31,840 14? And I was like, I'm off. 1224 01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:33,439 Like I already know I'm off pace. 1225 01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,319 She wasn't yet off pace, but she was. 1226 01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,040 I thought I was. She thought she was. 1227 01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:42,240 Yeah, and he was just like, just keep going, you're running 1228 01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,520 great. That was what he kept saying, 1229 01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:46,760 like you're running great, you're strong. 1230 01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,600 Maybe not the OTQ today, but let's get the win. 1231 01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:56,480 And so it was funny because it changed what success looked like 1232 01:09:56,480 --> 01:09:59,640 in my head. And I instead of it being so 1233 01:09:59,640 --> 01:10:02,400 black and white and this is the only way. 1234 01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:06,480 So I appreciated that. I thought she would have quit if 1235 01:10:06,480 --> 01:10:10,440 I had that if if I was struggling as much as she made 1236 01:10:10,440 --> 01:10:12,040 it sound like she was struggling, I probably would 1237 01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:13,920 have quit. I don't think I'm strong enough 1238 01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:18,000 that somebody can convince me to keep running for 11 miles. 1239 01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,400 So I think she's, yeah, strong enough that she'll let somebody 1240 01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:25,840 convince it or keep running for 11 miles. 1241 01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:28,160 Yeah, I was going to ask you, Connor, I guess what? 1242 01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:32,000 What is something that you think maybe you learned about Kylie in 1243 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:35,000 the process of running every step of this race with her? 1244 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:39,000 I think she's a lot stronger mentally than a lot of what you 1245 01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:42,240 give off most people and probably, probably even stronger 1246 01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:46,320 mentally than I am because the moment I'm like, I'm done, I, I 1247 01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:49,840 guess I start going off like other goals, but and like, you 1248 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:55,400 know, ABCD and E goes. But if, if it, I don't know, 11 1249 01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:57,960 miles to go in a marathon, I was like, I should stop. 1250 01:10:58,240 --> 01:11:02,240 I should drop out. It would be in a marathon. 1251 01:11:02,280 --> 01:11:05,520 It would be so daunting to keep pushing Like I, I thought that 1252 01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:09,840 thought in like shorter distances quite often, but I 1253 01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,840 think in a marathon with that far left, like knowing, you 1254 01:11:13,840 --> 01:11:20,160 know, knowing she had an hour and 6 minutes at least left and 1255 01:11:20,160 --> 01:11:22,200 she was like, I want to stop. I want to be done. 1256 01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:27,560 This isn't worth it. I, I was super impressed by that 1257 01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:31,600 because that's, that's harsh. Marathon's hard, as you know, 1258 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,480 Chris, but like when it when it's going South and you're 1259 01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:38,960 like, I want to be done, it's hard to finish it. 1260 01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:41,600 Especially like when you go in with high expectations. 1261 01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:46,360 Kylie, you also, I guess in the recap mentioned how basically 1262 01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:51,200 like the final 5K of it, it was just like an adrenaline rush. 1263 01:11:51,200 --> 01:11:53,840 And that's sort of like, yes, there was some fatigue, but then 1264 01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:57,520 also, you know, it felt like, I guess you described it as 1265 01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:00,320 probably running off adrenaline, but felt like a very low hearted 1266 01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,440 and not a coherent brain. Connor was encouraging me like 1267 01:12:03,440 --> 01:12:05,920 the whole time. What were you telling yourself? 1268 01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,760 I guess like in those final 5K after you avoided a kid on a 1269 01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,360 bike nearly veering off onto the course. 1270 01:12:13,240 --> 01:12:16,440 It was like this little sidewalk session and their section and 1271 01:12:16,440 --> 01:12:20,400 there was a family and the kid on the bike kept swearing in 1272 01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,800 front of her. Like again, obviously there was 1273 01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:28,400 a lack of nutrition. Yeah, but which we can work on. 1274 01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:33,040 But I think something that actually Connor told me before, 1275 01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,720 because IA couple weeks before was just kind of freaking out 1276 01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:37,960 about fueling like it's not going to work. 1277 01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:42,080 I'm not going to make it kind of but more just like houses more 1278 01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,200 of like a question, how is this going to work? 1279 01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,160 Because it hasn't worked. And I really don't think it's 1280 01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:52,040 just going to work on race day. And it was funny because he's 1281 01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:55,280 like, well, notice that you actually have some really fast 1282 01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:57,880 long runs and you don't get fuel in. 1283 01:12:57,880 --> 01:13:01,480 I think if you're just going to hit the wall and you're just 1284 01:13:01,480 --> 01:13:04,360 going to have to kind of suffer really painful death. 1285 01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,880 But you're used to that. Like, you know what that's like. 1286 01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,600 So it wasn't like, great thing, but I think in the back of my 1287 01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:12,600 head it's like, Oh yeah, I've already hit the wall. 1288 01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:15,560 I'm still on my feet and still standing. 1289 01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:18,720 I'm still usually running the fastest smiles in my long runs. 1290 01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,400 Right. So I guess I guess I should 1291 01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,840 just, and I didn't know that, but at that point I might as 1292 01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:28,440 well just keep going. And so I think what he said 1293 01:13:28,440 --> 01:13:30,040 actually gave me a little bit of confidence. 1294 01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:32,400 So like, OK, maybe I don't have the nutrition part, which 1295 01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:35,800 actually will eventually help me when I figure it out. 1296 01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:42,160 But I think for where I'm at right now, I just, I know how to 1297 01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:46,800 grind when it hurts. And it wasn't like it got the 1298 01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,720 feeling I was having was steadily getting worse. 1299 01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:54,000 Maybe my anxiety might have expressed differently, but body 1300 01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:57,720 wise, looking back, I don't think my it pretty much like I 1301 01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:00,200 was on. I was in pain and that just kind 1302 01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:03,960 of stayed like it wasn't like it got worse or anything. 1303 01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:05,560 Like it just kind of stayed the same. 1304 01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,080 And so when that adrenaline kicked in, it was just like, 1305 01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:09,640 well, I already know what this pain feels like. 1306 01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,320 I've been feeling it for how many miles? 1307 01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,360 I got 3 left. It's 5K. 1308 01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:14,920 Yeah. So I don't. 1309 01:14:16,320 --> 01:14:18,840 Know only 72 grams of carbs in the whole race. 1310 01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:22,080 Yeah, really. Some of those weren't were taken 1311 01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,240 before. Yeah, one of those is the jaw 1312 01:14:24,240 --> 01:14:26,400 right before. So 48. 1313 01:14:26,720 --> 01:14:31,080 Wow, very impressive 243 all things considered. 1314 01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:34,440 That's where I'm like my fitness I don't feel like is shown in 1315 01:14:34,440 --> 01:14:37,840 the race. You said satisfied but humbled. 1316 01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,600 Like I guess can you elaborate more on just sort of like the 1317 01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,640 feelings crossing the finish line? 1318 01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:47,320 Yeah, like, again, you can't, you can't be mad when you win or 1319 01:14:47,320 --> 01:14:50,200 get a PR or do something for the first time. 1320 01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:52,240 I don't think that's fair to yourself. 1321 01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:55,800 And so I've had to watch myself a little bit there whenever I 1322 01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,280 get sad. Like we can't, you can't be mad 1323 01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:04,480 about it, but humbled in this for the sake of like I've heard 1324 01:15:04,480 --> 01:15:06,680 over and over, you have to respect the distance. 1325 01:15:06,800 --> 01:15:08,120 You have to respect the distance. 1326 01:15:08,760 --> 01:15:12,960 And like, I kind of understand that, but you need to go 1327 01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:19,080 experience it to have respect for it and just kind of the 1328 01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:21,600 emotional waves that you go through during it. 1329 01:15:21,600 --> 01:15:28,960 And so I think I underst I had heard that and that made sense 1330 01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,600 to me. But the true understanding of 1331 01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:35,440 that hit later and that was humbling a little bit like this 1332 01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:39,000 is, this is not an easy race. You can't take a marathon. 1333 01:15:39,520 --> 01:15:44,240 The goal hasn't changed, I presume, for the next marathon 1334 01:15:44,240 --> 01:15:46,760 or, you know, the next couple years, right? 1335 01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:49,160 Because the window's open for quite a bit. 1336 01:15:49,480 --> 01:15:53,920 It's the the OTQ. Does it feel less scary now that 1337 01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:56,720 you have one under your belt? I'm curious. 1338 01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:59,880 I think it's hard right now, just like today was like a first 1339 01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:04,640 kind of run back a little bit. I, I'm glad that I have like a 1340 01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:10,080 base now that I can kind of go off of, but I, I hope it 1341 01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:12,920 doesn't. I hope, I hope it kind of gives 1342 01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,440 me confidence. I think with this whole year 1343 01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:18,720 going back to BYU plus it's stopped me. 1344 01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:22,560 I can do hard things even if they don't go perfect. 1345 01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:29,280 And so I think if I can keep up that mindset of like, you know, 1346 01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:33,320 how to do really hard things, then I think that can carry me. 1347 01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:35,800 I know I need to work on the nutrition and the mental side of 1348 01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:39,120 it, but I think once I have those and gain a little more 1349 01:16:39,120 --> 01:16:41,880 fitness, I think it's within Mike Cassidy. 1350 01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:46,280 It's very exciting. Connor, is it just as exciting 1351 01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:49,880 for you to kind of hear just sort of all right, we got one on 1352 01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:54,600 the board and like you're here for the, you know, for all of 1353 01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:58,600 the next couple marathons. Yeah, yeah, it's, it's exciting, 1354 01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:00,600 I think. I think it's fun for me to just 1355 01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:07,000 see Ryan an experience running from a different perspective in 1356 01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:11,080 a more, I don't know, in a more spectator way. 1357 01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:12,920 I know I didn't. I ran the whole marathon with 1358 01:17:12,920 --> 01:17:14,920 it, so I wasn't exactly spectating it. 1359 01:17:15,640 --> 01:17:19,440 But I mean, it's that it's the local, you know, city marathon. 1360 01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:23,680 That is how a lot of runners participate in the sport, how 1361 01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:25,400 most runners participate in the sport. 1362 01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:29,760 It's not at the majors. It's not at the, you know, the 1363 01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:32,760 big races that the professionals who have, but it's a lot of 1364 01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:36,280 these local races. It was really fun for me to be a 1365 01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:39,680 part of that. But also to now the next time 1366 01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:42,680 she does like a big marathon or whenever she does a big 1367 01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:45,800 marathon, going out and being a supporter with that's, that's 1368 01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:47,600 going to be fun for me. That's going to be exciting. 1369 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,760 And so I'm like, I'm enjoying it. 1370 01:17:50,760 --> 01:17:53,400 It's really fun. Are you always up to pace? 1371 01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,360 I don't think so. This might have been a one and 1372 01:17:56,360 --> 01:18:00,280 done thing. No, it's like it actually kind 1373 01:18:00,280 --> 01:18:03,080 of wore me out. I'm kind of feel a little bit, I 1374 01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:05,120 was feeling more beat up from it than I thought I would. 1375 01:18:05,120 --> 01:18:09,360 So yeah, yeah, we'll see. We'll see. 1376 01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:13,280 I think if it's in the middle of my, if it's at the beginning of 1377 01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:17,000 my training block, maybe. But three weeks after a 1378 01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,480 marathon, I think I might, I might not do it. 1379 01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,480 Or if I do it, I might not keep building my eyes and just treat 1380 01:18:23,480 --> 01:18:26,080 it as a long run. I think I need to actually do a 1381 01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:30,040 little bit of tapering or something because it was, it was 1382 01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:33,200 it, it wasn't hard. It was, it was fine. 1383 01:18:33,200 --> 01:18:36,240 It wasn't hard for me to do, but I think the recovery from it, 1384 01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:39,120 like it kind of gives my butt. And so I was like really 1385 01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,480 surprised afterward being like, wait a second. 1386 01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:44,120 I thought this would just feel like a normal long run if 1387 01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:45,840 anything, like a slower long run. 1388 01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:49,400 But yeah, I was like, why am I so sorry? 1389 01:18:51,680 --> 01:18:53,760 But it was. I don't know now you need 2 1390 01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,760 weeks off or whatever. Yeah, now let me take two weeks 1391 01:18:56,760 --> 01:19:01,360 off. All right, so my final question 1392 01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:06,720 for Kylie, I guess, is so I was just working on this chapter for 1393 01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,480 my upcoming book on the marathon. 1394 01:19:09,480 --> 01:19:13,840 And like there was this New York Times article about two years 1395 01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:19,800 ago about the spouse in a relationship that doesn't run a 1396 01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:23,720 marathon while the other person is just always, you know, in the 1397 01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:29,160 throes of of training and how it means that there are very carb 1398 01:19:29,160 --> 01:19:33,680 heavy dinners being prepared. The person, the the person 1399 01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,440 preparing for the marathon is just always on the couch on a 1400 01:19:36,440 --> 01:19:39,720 Saturday, just like unable to move for the rest of the day. 1401 01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:42,600 And then there's laundry and dishes that are just like 1402 01:19:42,600 --> 01:19:46,000 stacking up. And I go back to just sort of 1403 01:19:46,160 --> 01:19:48,880 toward the beginning of this conversation, how you mentioned 1404 01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:52,600 that there was just like, you didn't understand it when you'd 1405 01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:56,000 see Connor in this state. And now you've put yourself 1406 01:19:56,000 --> 01:20:01,640 through exactly what it's like to train for a marathon, I 1407 01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:02,400 guess. Like what? 1408 01:20:03,440 --> 01:20:06,120 Like, what has happened? Like, I guess to open your eyes 1409 01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,360 and be like, OK, you know what, Now I get it. 1410 01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:13,120 I get why, you know, I can't do anything for the rest of the day 1411 01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:15,400 on Saturday. Well, I think going back to that 1412 01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:22,120 humble, it's humbling and you realize it's like not normal for 1413 01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:24,520 a human being. Like it's an elite thing. 1414 01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:30,480 It's an elite physical thing and also mental to be able to do 1415 01:20:30,480 --> 01:20:32,320 that there. It takes somebody a little bit 1416 01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:35,800 crazy, love you, but there's a little bit of crazy there and 1417 01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:37,200 so. I think I'm normal. 1418 01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:45,080 But yeah, there's, I think it's, I don't know, I think there's, 1419 01:20:45,080 --> 01:20:46,560 there's a little bit of humility. 1420 01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:50,280 What does I guess makes me a little bit different. 1421 01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:54,480 We've seen it this past week. I'm a total busy body and I 1422 01:20:54,480 --> 01:20:58,040 don't really like not being productive, which bites me in 1423 01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:00,160 the butt a little bit. I'm just your classic A type 1424 01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:04,960 person. A little bit OCD there, but it's 1425 01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:08,160 like I'm after post surgery and I'm like, I'm still going to go 1426 01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:10,000 for a walk. I'm still going to like, I 1427 01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,520 didn't sit down very much at all this past week, which. 1428 01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:15,680 Delays recovery time. It's both from the marathon and 1429 01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:19,840 the surgery. So probably, hopefully this 1430 01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:24,680 calms down a little bit. But yeah, I don't know. 1431 01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:28,520 So even though there were, I think especially up in parks 1432 01:21:28,520 --> 01:21:30,680 today, there were days where I just don't want to do anything 1433 01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:34,760 after a long week or workout. But I'm also somebody that even 1434 01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:38,760 if I'm really tired, I'll still don't get the laundry done. 1435 01:21:39,560 --> 01:21:41,160 Yeah, that's it. I was gonna also, I think I, I 1436 01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:44,120 when I was writing it, I was trying to like justify the 1437 01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:48,360 excuses for the, the marathoner. But then at the same time it 1438 01:21:48,360 --> 01:21:51,160 comes back to the fact where it's like the excuse of just 1439 01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:55,240 like, oh, I'm just trying to inspire, you know, people with 1440 01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:57,280 my marathon performances. Like you could just take a 1441 01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,480 little bit of that inspiration and put it towards like doing 1442 01:21:59,480 --> 01:22:01,360 the dishes. It doesn't take that much. 1443 01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:04,600 No, totally. And you're gonna feel so good. 1444 01:22:04,680 --> 01:22:07,520 And that's the way that I like, feel totally fulfilled is like 1445 01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:10,800 doing laundry. That's how I create. 1446 01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:15,280 I'm not much of A crafter creator, but like a clean space 1447 01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:18,080 is my version of creativity. Yeah. 1448 01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:19,960 All right, so Kylie, you got the bug, right? 1449 01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:24,720 Next you want to do another one? Just it's a matter of like, all 1450 01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:27,840 right, let's take some time to recover from this and then start 1451 01:22:27,840 --> 01:22:31,880 thinking of the next one. Or do I do I do something 1452 01:22:31,880 --> 01:22:35,720 faster? Do I jump down in the distance 1453 01:22:35,720 --> 01:22:39,800 just to kind of get hungry for the marathon again? 1454 01:22:39,800 --> 01:22:45,280 Not that I'm not, I obviously am, but get a little bit of 1455 01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:48,760 speed and whatnot. But I don't know. 1456 01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:50,600 We'll see. We'll kind of see how the body. 1457 01:22:50,600 --> 01:22:52,240 Roots, we'll sign you up for a Turkey try. 1458 01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:56,160 Yeah, I'll do. There's one up near my parents 1459 01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:57,920 house. That would be fun. 1460 01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,040 What about cross country? If Connor's getting ready for 1461 01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,240 cross country, he could jump in on what is. 1462 01:23:02,320 --> 01:23:03,920 Jim, on your first cross? Country. 1463 01:23:04,040 --> 01:23:09,240 So yeah, I've never done cross. I have no idea how that would 1464 01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:11,160 go. But awesome. 1465 01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:15,080 Well, guys, it was so much fun getting to hear all the 1466 01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:18,160 insurance and outs of this marathon performance because 1467 01:23:18,480 --> 01:23:21,920 Kylie, I got to say like, it lit up my group chat with my 1468 01:23:21,920 --> 01:23:25,040 training partners because like they're like they saw the 1469 01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,880 performance and they're like, I told you she was training for a 1470 01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:29,680 marathon. And then when you were vocal 1471 01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:33,160 about going for the OTQ, it made so much more sense. 1472 01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:37,600 So you've got a lot of people kind of definitely just you 1473 01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:40,480 know, from hearing your story and now that people will know it 1474 01:23:40,480 --> 01:23:43,520 a little bit better, just showing that it really is 1475 01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:47,520 possible to make these these big jumps and, you know, kind of 1476 01:23:47,680 --> 01:23:51,360 dive all into something that maybe a couple years ago felt so 1477 01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:53,640 foreign. So it was really cool to to 1478 01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:58,280 learn so much more. Connor, you are continuing to be 1479 01:23:58,280 --> 01:24:00,400 hired as a as a Co host. You did a great job. 1480 01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:05,800 Thank you, James Grace. Thank you all for listening to 1481 01:24:05,800 --> 01:24:07,640 this episode. 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