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All right, it is March 9th. 
I'm Chris Chavez, joined by Kyle

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Merber and Mack Fleet for this 
week in track and field. 

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Initially, we thought that this 
would be a little bit of a 

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slower week come the results, 
but we ended up getting treated 

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to a world record in the half 
marathon from Jacob Peplimo. 

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Well, actually pending 
ratification, which we know has 

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been a an issue for him in the 
past. 

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And then the LA Marathon went 
super viral online thanks to a 

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incredible finish by Nathan 
Martin. 

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But then it got a second wave of
viral fame because additional 

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footage was released. 
We love it when additional 

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footage gets released. 
And there was more to just sort 

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of the setup of the the crazy 
finish that everyone saw when 

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the Kenyan who was leading at 
the time, nearly made a wrong 

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turn with less than a mile to 
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So we'll unpack that. 
We also had some standard 

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chasing out in Philadelphia. 
And then this upcoming weekend, 

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we've got NCAA's New Balance 
Nationals, NYC half. 

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So you're catching us right in 
the middle of all of it. 

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So we'll do some recapping, some
previewing, and then just in 

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general spitting some some 
takes. 

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Kyle, would you make of this 
whole weekend? 

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It was slow and honestly I think
we needed it compared to the 

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what we had the previous weekend
and what we have in the near 

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future here. 
We needed a little down weekend 

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to get some attention on the 
Lisbon half marathon and much 

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needed. 
But no, it's, I mean, I feel 

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like it's it's finally nice out 
in the Northeast and I couldn't 

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be bogged down with watching 
track meets all day. 

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Like we had to be outside and we
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little bit. 
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like the winter season is just 
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That's the worst part of winter 
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It's just like the amount of 
it's non-stop, always doing 

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laundry. 
Yeah, so I'm ready for some warm

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weather running and the break 
was nice. 

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The the nice thing about when 
it's warm out is you just sleep 

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in your running gear. 
Is that like a thing like that 

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everyone does or is that just 
me? 

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Wait like you go to bed in? 
Not The Dirty stuff, the new 

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stuff. 
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out to go for a run the next 
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the shirt that you wore to sleep
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that run. 
So I wake up at 5:30 and I roll 

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out of bed most mornings to run 
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just wear running shorts and 
like a tech tee to bed pretty 

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regularly and just get going 
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I would don't wake up my family 
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looking for four layers of 
winter clothing. 

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I can just hit the ground. 
This is Kyle's version of the 

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Steve Jobs a black turtleneck. 
He's just wearing tech clothes, 

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shorts and running shorts and 
shirts all the time. 

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Except they're all like from 15 
years ago, the last time I made 

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a purchase for running clothes, 
right? 

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Probably I get the last time I 
got some stuff for free. 

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So OK, so when you when you 
explain that, that doesn't seem 

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as crazy to me. 
I hand up have have also done 

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it, but I think in the winter 
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summer thing. 
In the winter time I'm I'll take

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the 5 minutes the night before 
to lay out the clothes. 

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I'm gonna. 
Wear are you making a person 

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like a on the floor you're flat 
lay silhouette yeah alright now 

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here's. 
I wouldn't go that. 

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Here's a question Kyle, are you 
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to 5 inch split shorts or or are
you full old man mode? 

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Yeah, I'm full old man mode and 
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regularly because my body 
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warm it up. 
Now I've got ligaments and 

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tendons holding on by thread and
so it's it could have to be 

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quite warm for me not to be 
wearing extra layers. 

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I love, I love. 
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that when we used to get 
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like if you got a pair of 
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pockets in it, you couldn't be 
bothered like to wear you were 

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like, what are these? 
I don't need these, I don't want

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these. 
And now I'm like, man, I wish I 

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had 100 more pair of those or I 
wish I would have kept those 

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because that's all I wear now. 
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me wearing running shorts that 
don't have pockets in them 

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nowadays. 
I would be so embarrassed to go 

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outside and like true split 
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minute pace. 
Like the idea of me like it 

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getting caught. 
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daycare pick up or drop off and 
so I have to be appropriate in 

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some regard. 
Like can't walk into a school 

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with three splits. 
No, or like my my 30 minute jogs

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on the treadmill at the Y like 
I'm already creating a scene 

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running 7 minute pace. 
You know, like if I, if I were 

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wearing any of the clothing that
that used to be worn, that that 

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I used to wear, yeah, I'm there.
I'm getting kicked out. 

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And and then Mac has just made 
this hard stance. 

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Oh no. 
What? 

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Is very publicly known I guess 
like the no no half tights after

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college. 
After college entirely. 

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Or after professional. 
Running. 

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OK, yeah. 
After professional running for 

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sure. 
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I mean, there, there's just, 
yeah, I've got a hard line 

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there. 
There's no. 

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We just don't need it. 
You got to, you know, stop being

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so selfish. 
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people. 
I've been on multiple runs where

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there have been like people in 
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and then Mac like you could just
tell he's he's paying extra 

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attention on just sort of like 
just trying to telepathically 

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send a message to be like, 
please stop or change next time.

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Just. 
Quietly shake I I go half. 

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Tights. 
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when you're not going to see 
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I can get I, I I agree with 
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I also just think it's running 
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I just think it's an inferior. 
I go to Mccarran Park at like 

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9:00 AM when people are at work.
If I'm just going to do a 

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workout. 
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maybe two people, one person 
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and no one other person who I 
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of the track. 
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half tights in a workout. 
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think I've ever experienced a 
superior set of half tights over

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shorts. 
I just don't get, I think I've, 

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I've raced. 
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much improved since. 
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in the? 
Things there into them. 

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I was just like around thicker 
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Even then you got the bandit 
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pleasure. 
Oh my God. 

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All right. 
All. 

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Right, pending, pending patent 
on those. 

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Pending patent. 
Yeah, Yeah, All right. 

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Jacob Kaplimo ended up running 
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Marathon. 
Redemption after his 5642 that 

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he clocked in Barcelona was not 
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the lead vehicle. 10 seconds 
faster now than Yomi Kajalja's 

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previous world record, which was
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Five men broke 60 minutes. 
But I mean, one guy was 3 

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minutes under 60 minutes. 
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Kiplimo's on fire. 
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season. 
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guess when I was trying to think
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this race? 
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time trial for him. 
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his splits were impressive all 
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But I guess the one thing I was 
wondering after this was is 5720

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what it would have been without 
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Like we come down on on like 
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know that the lead car was worth
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But then giving it further 
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necessarily think that's true. 
I think that this wasn't even 

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100% effort for him because he's
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weeks. 
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right, I'm going to take back my
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before the London Marathon. 
But yeah, All in all, this was a

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it was an impressive 
performance, but we've obviously

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seen so much faster from him. 
Kyle, what was your take away 

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from this one? 
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I don't know if you can assign 
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if it's a feel good story in 
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you've seen him go 40 seconds 
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really buy the amount of 
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gotten previously as being like 
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I guess I I need to go back and 
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to see how close he was. 
But we know that he can go 40 

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seconds faster. 
So in that regard, it's like a 

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little underwhelming, but it 
it's great that he got it back. 

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We already knew that there's no 
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the world and damn, he's ready 
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I mean, being just over a month 
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don't really read into half 
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If someone doesn't do a great 
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doesn't necessarily reflect 
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the full distance if you're 
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And so I'm assuming he didn't 
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And so if this is where he's at 
now, I mean hoping for some good

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weather in London and we know 
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we're going to see something 
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Mac, what did this run tell you 
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I mean, I think just to Kyle's 
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must watch. 
I I have kind of a hard time for

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really getting up for half 
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in general 'cause it's kind of 
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worlds or well, I guess there's 
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don't have it yet, but yeah, 
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obviously, like USA is, you 
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about in the lead up to the real
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which Jacob's going to be 
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So I think that's certainly 
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And and what does that tell me? 
I mean, honestly, this whole 

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thing tells me and with Atlanta 
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marathon that I think we need to
start having like licensed pace 

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car drivers or something like 
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And it, and we need to know who 
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like characters in our sort of 
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And it's like, oh man, they've 
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driver and we know who it is. 
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like a NASCAR when they have 
like the famous person that's in

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the pace car. 
We need that. 

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We need that person for Rd. 
races across the world. 

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I'm thinking more like an Uber 
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after after his previous non 
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Jacob's giving one star and this
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ratified you get 5 stars. 
I can see that I that that's a 

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good way of going about it 
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until you rattled off those 3 
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It has been an eventful last 12 
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sport. 
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breaking through into the 
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just sort of like the public 
outcry after the Atlanta chaotic

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incident with the USATF half 
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Latest update with that is it's 
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Council and they're going to 
vote on a proposition that was, 

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you know, presented by USATFI 
presume to ask to kind of go 

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against their own, you know, 
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Which, you know, I think we've 
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of this happened to American 
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American men. 
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it in the article that I did, 
you could see how every single 

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person who finished ahead of 
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like, if this was the guys, I 
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all that like nice and and and 
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hey, yeah, I know you deserve to
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This, this that's sort of the 

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the headache that USATF is 
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like they don't want to set a 
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future. 
It would be for probably when if

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something like this happened and
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so. 
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American men that they do? 
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like, Nah, screw that. 
I in this case, there were eight

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other women ahead of Jess who 
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spot and I so. 
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like, Nah, it's my spot? 
Maybe. 

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likelihood. 
No, it might not even be like a 

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Charles Six. 
I'm not even going to say names,

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but. 
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Chris? 
Name names. 

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Who would it be? 
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never been on like a USD and who
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my left. 
Of course I'm going to take 

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this. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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But that's it is true. 
That's also the women that are 

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turning down the spot for this 
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Like the majority of them. 
All of them. 

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Like they haven't made a team 
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Yeah, but in this case, I also 
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what the public backlash would 
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they were just so far clear of 
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Yes, that that also helps. 
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happened so late in the race 
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easier for 4th through 12th or 
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yeah, I wasn't going to make the
team. 

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But like, shoot, if they do that
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little bit closer. 
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fifth spot, you're going oh, no 
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Like you don't know what was 
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Like you see people blow up all 
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more people tagged onto that 
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because then now even. 
A little bit closer. 

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Yeah, well 4th did end up going 
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around just in time and ended up
finishing second. 

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So I'm not that much on the 
Internet anymore. 

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So Chris, tell me, I don't know,
two kids in a job, OK. 

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But Chris, have people softened 
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thing came out 'cause now like 
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now it's kind of like guys like 
someone got hurt. 

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Yeah, can't be as mad anymore. 
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screw up as an incident. 
Like, are people still 

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pitchforks out or if they calm 
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I think that the pitchforks are 
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USATF, but like they they have. 
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actually pretty good. 
I thought so too, but that 

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doesn't stop a lot of people in 
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doesn't absolve people's other 
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week, Atlanta Track Club did a 
fantastic job of one being so 

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transparent with their whole 
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LED like it read to me just sort
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minute to minute breakdown like 
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the police, you know, person who
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they moved to the other corner 
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was impressive. 
I don't know if you saw the ring

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commercial during the Super 
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watching. 
Like we we're never alone. 

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especially with coming out 
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foremost saying, you know, Rich 
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responsibility for this mess. 
Yeah, he put himself in the line

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of fire for a bit. 
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said we're going to pay, you 
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Hurley, like they're the money 
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like, OK, that's that's great. 
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their investigation. 
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did did its part in sort of 
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And then USATF kind of when the 
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like, oh, you should have been a
little bit more human in that 

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first statement. 
I think they got better at that 

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in their subsequent statements, 
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Chad GBT, They're like, oh, can 
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human? 
Yeah, so. 

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And that's. 
Just there. 

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Which is crazy 'cause I'm gonna 
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don't go, do not look at my 10 
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USATF is like there's just like 
they're going through their 

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lawyers, like it has to be like 
a legal response. 

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That like there's. 
Money and there's other 

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implications that are going on. 
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inhuman almost like in a way 
where it's just like lacking 

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empathy. 
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Kyle's question earlier, like do
people still have their 

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pitchforks out? 
I think there's like a spectrum 

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to it. 
There's a people that that 

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follow everything kind of really
closely and they kind of maybe 

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have some sort of they can 
understand the nuance to what 

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had happened. 
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viral and how how wide it 
spread, like those people aren't

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that tapped in. 
And so they just like, they see 

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that first thing and they're mad
online and they're just, they 

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stay mad online. 
Yeah, they don't actually see 

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moving pieces since, right? 
Yeah. 

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And so I think that, yeah, 
there, there are still a handful

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of people who are upset and 
angry at USATF because they 

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don't just, they're I guess like
how they're putting it is like, 

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just throw away the rule book 
for this one. 

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And it's like, no, you just 
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setting a precedent for 
something in the future. 

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So. 
Bobby Kersee's like I would like

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to go back and add a thing MO to
the team because she went down 

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at 200 meters if we're setting. 
A precedent here, we have a 

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selection policy for a reason. 
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just us. 
ATF is going to World Athletics 

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and being like, is it you? 
Do you have our backs if we do 

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this? 
And they'll be like, sure. 

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I think someone said, oh, 
they're proposing for six people

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to be named to the team. 
I don't necessarily think that's

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gonna happen. 
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That would be crazy. 
No, yeah, I think it's gonna be 

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the three that everyone, the 
three plus Wayne, that everyone 

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wants to be on the team and that
is who's gonna go to the half 

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marathon championships now. 
Can I propose something? 

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Go for it, yeah. 
The brands behind the three 

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women that were screwed over by 
the lead car. 

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You know, like in the NFL, you, 
you can buy another player's 

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number from them. 
Like, you know, if you, if you 

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get traded onto a team, you're 
#11 but there's somebody that's 

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number 11 on the team, you can 
basically you can buy their 

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jersey from them. 
They buy the spots from the 

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other three women. 
Oh, that's a good precedent. 

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A fast word of the 2028 
Olympics. 

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And Nike has bought the entire 
team. 

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But. 
It's not. 

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Necessarily that wrong because 
like they're, you know, under 

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the under the rules, you know, 
I'm doing quote quotes here. 

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You know, they the three women 
that were selected are selected 

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and it's like you kind of want 
to be compensated in some form 

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of way for giving that up. 
Yeah, we'll see how it all 

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shakes out from for for those 
folks who but I yeah, my 

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prediction is it's going to be 
the three and and that everyone 

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wants and Wayneie. 
But now the next step, the 

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follow through I want in this 
whole thing is the millions of 

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people who were watching these 
videos and sounding off on 

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Twitter and all that stuff. 
You guys better be watching the 

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world road running 
championships. 

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It's not going to happen, but 
it's like you got all upset now 

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go actually watch the whole damn
thing. 

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And yeah, in a way I want a 
podium sweep too. 

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Out of the out of TVUSA at this.
Point top six sweep All right, 

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so now where is the the outrage 
for Michael Kimani, who was kind

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of directed off course, like in 
like a 2004 Olympic marathon 

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type situation, a fan 
ultimately, right? 

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Like I'm not blaming the car in 
this. 

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Yeah, yeah, we're jumping ahead,
Kyle, cause 'cause I'm, I'll set

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that up. 
But one thing that we were 

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talking about before was Mac and
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these all these things have in 
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lead car that has it's. 
It's been in the picture. 

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It's been in the picture. 
Yeah, it's just all these things

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have gone mega viral from 
Atlanta. 

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And then the next one and 'cause
I, you know, I tweet these clips

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and then I just see the 
reactions and mentions and 

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retweets pouring in. 
And Kip Lima was the first one 

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on Sunday morning that was like 
blowing up. 

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And it's, I was so kind of kind 
of confused by it because it was

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getting picked up by all the 
major US sports media outlets 

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and bar stool. 
Yeah. 

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Mostly because I think people 
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whatever it was, 422 per mile or
something like that for 13.1 

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miles. 
And I think, like, that's the 

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way to popularize both the half 
marathon and marathon to the 

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greater sports ecosystem is just
be like, Oh yeah. 

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Like this person ran this for 
this without stopping and 

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everyone's minds go absolutely 
crazy. 

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Anything. 
Also also underrated is the just

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the time in the general sports 
ecosystem right now. 

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Like football season is over, 
playoffs haven't really started 

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at anything. 
It's kind of a good time for 

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running to get some steam. 
People need content. 

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There's nothing going on. 
Yeah, My only other thought was,

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did did Barstool hire an intern 
or a social media person on 

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their team this past week that 
is into running and is all of a 

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sudden, I mean, easy way to 
popularize it is just have 

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someone who's on these social 
teams who can find these clips 

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and, and, and retweet them or 
repost them, whatever it might 

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be. 
But then the second wave of 

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viral traffic that hit 
definitely was LA Marathon. 

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First thing was that Nathan 
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track coach is how some people 
were framing it. 

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I'm like, all right, whatever 
helps for for to to make this 

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sound even cooler to the greater
ecosystem. 

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Let's go for it. 36 year old 
high school track coach. 

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Yes, he's a professional runner 
for ASICS, but that plays too 

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just one of the most dramatic 
marathon finishes in history, 

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running down the leader from 
over a mile out and wins by .01 

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seconds. 
And yeah, it was it was an 

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impressive close for sure. 
And it could have gone either 

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way. 
But once they did slow it down, 

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and I think you could see from 
the overhead shot like, yeah, 

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the the leader was a bit toe. 
So it was Michael Kimani Kamau 

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from Kenya who he looked like he
had it. 

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And then just apparently Nathan 
Martin didn't lead a whole any 

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part of that marathon until just
the final step, which is 

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impressive. 
But yeah, 21117.01 seconds, 

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margin of victory, closest LA 
Marathon in history, and maybe 

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the biggest moment of Nathan 
Martin's career. 

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It reminds me of the time that 
just a random barista stepped 

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into the Olympics and settled 
just like an incredible feat, 

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unpredictable. 
But no, I mean, I keep thinking,

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I I saw the Hawk Down 1st and it
was like, wow, that's 

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incredible. 
And then I saw what happened. 

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What was it a few miles before? 
Like no, it was within the last 

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one. 
Mile Oh my God. 

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So in cycling, if anything 
happens in the last three K, 

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they just give everyone the same
time. 

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And it feels like that needs to 
be a rule in marathoning after 

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what's happened recently. 
I think if this was a reverse 

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situation of an American, I 
think if it was like a household

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name American got hawked down 
and then we found out that a 

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mile before that whole thing 
took place, the narrative would 

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be much different than it is 
right now for a Kenyan athlete 

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competing in Los Angeles that 
people weren't previously 

449
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,360
familiar with. 
Oh yeah, you'd be, we'd be 

450
00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:17,080
looking at some Atlanta type, 
you know, viral content of how 

451
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,800
unfair this all is and 
everything needs to be righted 

452
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,760
for sure. 
I think you're 100% right. 

453
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,000
I yeah, I think there was, 
there's definitely American 

454
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:32,400
privilege at at play here. 
So the what was in the video for

455
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,120
people who haven't seen it, it's
all over Twitter today. 

456
00:27:35,120 --> 00:27:40,800
So if the race finish went viral
on Sunday, this one didn't start

457
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,320
picking up steam until I think 
halfway through Monday. 

458
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:51,280
We saw this video late on Sunday
night and it shows that at 

459
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,320
roughly the 26 mile mark, the 
official lead vehicle which had 

460
00:27:55,320 --> 00:28:00,600
like the race clock and two 
police motorcycles exited the 

461
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:06,040
course at and the clock showed 
at that .2 hours 9 minutes and 

462
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:12,280
42 seconds and a non police 
medium motorcycle stayed on the 

463
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:16,160
correct route. 
But then you watch as the race 

464
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:21,320
leader at the time, Michael 
Kamau, was confused because 

465
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:26,320
there was also a spectator 
waving a Kenyan flag it looked 

466
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:30,800
like had jumped onto the course 
and steered him over to the 

467
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,840
right side. 
So that led Michael come out to 

468
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:37,880
follow the wrong vehicle and 
went off course for 

469
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:44,080
approximately 7 seconds. 
And several officials were 

470
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,880
frantically trying to direct him
to go the right way and he turns

471
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:54,200
back and then sets off. 
Now, anyone who's stopped in the

472
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,480
late stages of a marathon can 
tell you that restarting is the 

473
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,440
hardest part. 
And he almost basically came to 

474
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,120
a full stop there and then had 
to turn, turn around. 

475
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:10,840
And his win, his margin of his 
margin of loss point O1 seconds,

476
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,120
he could see it was definitely 
at play there. 

477
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:19,760
So, yeah, it, it's a super 
unfortunate thing for him. 

478
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,080
I don't know if necessarily as 
much blame is on the lead car in

479
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:25,640
this one. 
I, I think that there should be 

480
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,960
a lot of blame on the fan that 
was waving that flag and and 

481
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,280
veering him on like onto toward 
the right side. 

482
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,240
But then also, if you look 
closely, there are like course 

483
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,840
marshals or officials who were 
just standing around there, too.

484
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,040
It's like I was I was just going
to say it that it's really 

485
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,560
chaotic and it seems like it got
really congested with like 

486
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:49,160
people. 
One, there were, there were 

487
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,160
people on the course that 
shouldn't have been on the 

488
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,200
course and the cars were looked 
like they were pulling off into 

489
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,760
an area that like wasn't 
necessarily for cars. 

490
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:05,600
And it it like the, I don't 
know, he, he, he was running so 

491
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,040
close to everything that was 
happening was kind of like my 

492
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,520
biggest take away is like, why 
is he that close to every to 

493
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,600
like all of the officials in the
cars in front? 

494
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:16,200
Of her What happened to Jacob 
Kaglimo? 

495
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,520
Yeah, I know. 
Seriously. 

496
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,440
And it's like it, it's just, 
it's so unfortunate. 

497
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,640
And yeah, he basically had to do
like a basketball suicide in 

498
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,640
mile 25 of a marathon where he 
had to stop, touch, you know, 

499
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,440
bend down, touch the line and 
turn back around the, the 

500
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,600
barricades. 
Super unfortunate. 

501
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:39,400
And yeah, like he lost by, I 
don't know, 4 inches. 

502
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,520
Yeah, I'll say that's the reason
why he lost. 

503
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,640
It's super unfair. 
It's it's really, really sucks. 

504
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,640
I I said earlier that it remind 
me of the Italian in 24, 2004. 

505
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,880
I forgot Baldini won. 
It was the Brazilian Vanderlei 

506
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,440
Lima. 
Vander Lima Who? 

507
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:00,120
Yeah, Chris, author in the 
making obviously probably wrote 

508
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,800
about this, but when the 
protester jumped out and like, 

509
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,320
ruined his Olympic dream. 
It was a deprocked Irish priest,

510
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:07,840
yeah. 
Yeah. 

511
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:14,400
And so that kind of remind me 
also of the Oregon DMR situation

512
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,760
a couple of weeks ago where, 
like, the woman was like, she 

513
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,840
was on his team. 
She had a Kenyan flag and was 

514
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,440
rooting for him. 
And now it's like, hey, you got 

515
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,120
to fly to Boston tomorrow, 
Michael, if you want to win 

516
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:33,320
another marathon because your 
own teammate kind of got in the 

517
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,960
way here. 
So I feel bad. 

518
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,800
But man, Can you imagine how 
that woman feels? 

519
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,480
Yeah. 
And I, I tried slowing that 

520
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,760
video down and going frame by 
frame just to see if he could 

521
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,120
get a face or anything or any 
sort of way to ID the person. 

522
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,680
There's it's don't. 
Adam No. 

523
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,040
No. 
No, I'm just saying I was like, 

524
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,600
there's just so much happening 
in that video that like for a 

525
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,800
while, like you just don't know.
You have to watch it multiple 

526
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:05,040
times to. 
Try it's crazy because the the 

527
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,400
car like stopped like am I 
wrong? 

528
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:10,120
Like the the the driver of the 
car is like I'm going to run 

529
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,960
somebody over so that it's like 
it's all herky jerky. 

530
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,120
It's not smooth. 
There isn't some like nice old 

531
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,680
run out for the car to go. 
The cop is just standing there. 

532
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,240
Yeah, it's, it's, it's really. 
And then thankfully, everyone is

533
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,480
at least, like, screaming 
immediately at him that he's 

534
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,080
going the wrong way. 
But I mean, he still makes it 

535
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,320
down like 20-30 meters and has 
to stop, turn around, go back 

536
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,120
around the barricades. 
And, you know, again, he lost by

537
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,560
nothing. 
So of course that of course, of 

538
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,400
course that hurt his chances of 
winning. 

539
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,720
He was 18 seconds up on Nathan 
Martin at the time of of like 

540
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,600
Nathan Martin passes I think 
like 18 seconds later into the 

541
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:50,240
video. 
So these these two incidents 

542
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,080
recently have me thinking that 
we need to start just stop 

543
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:58,560
measuring courses and just go 
off of GPS data like first 

544
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,920
person to 26.2 miles. 
You run a little extra distance.

545
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,600
It's fine. 
We count it that that whole 

546
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,440
Instagram account that like gets
really mad at people on Strava 

547
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,960
for using the the Strava time 
like. 

548
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:16,720
PBS, their chip time versus no 
Strava time versus gun time 

549
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,440
versus chip time, all that kind 
of stuff. 

550
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:23,560
Like if Michael Kimani told me 
that his that he ran like 15 

551
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,120
seconds faster in LA because his
watch told him to, that he did, 

552
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,400
I would kind of be like, yeah, 
no, that's actually very fair. 

553
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,240
You did, dude. 
Do you do you think Rich Kanaw 

554
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:36,440
from Atlanta Track Club is like,
see, see, it's not just us. 

555
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,800
Things happen. 
Maybe. 

556
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,480
Here's here's my other Here's my
other take. 

557
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:46,080
This isn't the worst thing to 
happen. 

558
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,440
We we've seen three of the most 
viral like running clips and 

559
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:53,600
stories get out and these cars 
are kind of all semi semi 

560
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,720
related that maybe we just throw
some drivers in there that have 

561
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,720
no idea what's going on and 
they're just like kind of trying

562
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,880
their best or there's. 
Everyone knows how to do 

563
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,920
everything. 
Or there's multiple league cars 

564
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,960
and only one of them is going to
go the right way and it's on the

565
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:10,880
athletes to to just pick the 
right one. 

566
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,080
There's a Super Mario like the 
Mario Kart sort of thing where 

567
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,679
you could choose your own 
different path and it's like 

568
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,880
it's they're all supposed to be 
26.2 but you'll you'll meet at 

569
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,719
the finish at some point. 
Yeah, it's like the the baseball

570
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,280
and the hat game, you know, 7th 
inning and but you're running a 

571
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,159
marathon all out, absolutely 
dying and you got to pick the 

572
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:34,760
right car that's going to take 
you to the finish line. 

573
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:40,560
Chris, you're more dialed into 
the New York City like road 

574
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:42,960
race, like underground scene 
than I am. 

575
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:46,600
Does there exist a race that 
just like you just say go and 

576
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,280
it's whoever uploads a distance 
to Strava first wins? 

577
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,719
Because that I feel like that 
would be like we, we're just 

578
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,840
starting Times Square and it's 
just first person to 10K. 

579
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,639
Do whatever you have to do to 
get 10K away. 

580
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,360
But I mean, isn't that got 
potential? 

581
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,720
Isn't that what like all the 
Strava challenges are nowadays? 

582
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:06,200
Like I feel like you could. 
That's just doing a Strava 

583
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,840
challenge. 
I don't know what. 

584
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,120
Are the I kind of like I? 
Know you got to run around yeah 

585
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,440
Max in we're. 
Doing it, I'm in. 

586
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:15,200
I'm in I I know you got to run 
around a block and you get a 

587
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,160
burrito. 
Yeah, there's that. 

588
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:19,400
Then there's other Strava 
challenges. 

589
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,600
Well, no, I'm just saying like 
here in New York, there's 

590
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:25,760
there's been a couple races 
underground where it's like 

591
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,920
they're unsanctioned. 
So they don't close any streets 

592
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,280
off for you or anything like 
that. 

593
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:35,160
And it's, we're going to start 
at, you know, Grant's tomb upon 

594
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:40,440
110th and the finish line is 
going to be in the Lower East 

595
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,720
Side. 
Past 110th, but all right, yeah.

596
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:45,120
And it's and then the finish 
line is going to be on on the 

597
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,840
Lower East Side. 
So you can get there however you

598
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,920
want. 
But you know, we're all starting

599
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,840
at the same time go. 
And then it's just like, all 

600
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,040
right, then you just got a bunch
of people blasting down Broadway

601
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,120
and. 
Has anyone gotten hit by a car? 

602
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,880
Like who's do you just take out 
an umbrella insurance policy 

603
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:06,880
before you're doing? 
No, I think like if you look 

604
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,040
closely at the waivers for some 
of these unsanctioned races, 

605
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,120
like you are signing off your 
life on that. 

606
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:17,680
Like no way that in these races.
And I think after I did a 

607
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,160
handful of them, but then after 
a while I started thinking more 

608
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,640
about it, I was like why? 
Why am I paying like 90 bucks 

609
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:28,560
for to like 90? 
Dollars. 

610
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,360
Yeah, I mean, these things are 
way more than that now. 

611
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,760
But it's like for for the 
organizers to not even close the

612
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,960
roads for me. 
There's no water on the course. 

613
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,040
There's not. 
And it's like. 

614
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,600
Kyle's eyes just rolled all the 
way around his head. 

615
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,080
'Cause 'cause we're, we're 
talking about the LA Marathon, 

616
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:55,280
the 18 mile metal and I'm, I'm, 
I'm pro 18 mile metal. 

617
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,400
You are. 
Yeah, I'm for it. 

618
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,080
Because if you spend money, I 
don't even think you have to 

619
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,960
show up for the race. 
They should just send you a 

620
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,360
medal. 
Like if you spent a couple $100,

621
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,880
send me my T-shirt and my medal.
Who cares? 

622
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,840
It's my decision whether or I do
it. 

623
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,080
You're not the judge of if I 
decide I get a medal for giving 

624
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:21,320
you that money. 
That's what Eric this morning it

625
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,080
was like, I don't give a shit if
they give it to you on the 

626
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,440
starting line. 
I still think you're a coward 

627
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,280
though. 
If you post about it, it's 

628
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,480
basically. 
That's on you. 

629
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:34,680
OK, so I guess the outrage 
trial, well, there was so much 

630
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,040
outrage at the 18 mile thing 
that I don't even know where to 

631
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,320
begin in unpacking the whole 
thing. 

632
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,840
OK, once people people are so 
angry at running things and like

633
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,800
it's all distraction from the 
Epstein files. 

634
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,720
Go on, Chris. 
Yeah, it's, I think people were 

635
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:53,200
at first angry that the same 
medal was being offered, which 

636
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,000
maybe I disagree with that. 
Like the same marathon finisher 

637
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,280
medal was being offered to the 
18 Miller finishers. 

638
00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,680
I don't think that that should 
have been a thing. 

639
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,080
I think they should have been 
two different medals. 

640
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,720
But this is not something that 
the LA Marathon was. 

641
00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:11,880
But they like when they ordered 
thousands of those medals, they 

642
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:15,040
weren't being like, all right, 
well, set some aside for the 18 

643
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:17,000
or make a couple 18 Miller 
medals. 

644
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,520
You know, they this is all just 
because of how hot it was this 

645
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,280
past weekend. 
And I think that got away from 

646
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:29,920
some people that this was done 
to be safe and this was going to

647
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,200
be a one time exemption. 
There's not going to be an 18 

648
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:34,640
mile, you know, cut off point 
next year. 

649
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,440
Wasn't it 60°? 
It was like, I mean, I did see a

650
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,760
couple of people on Strava's 
like feels like was like 60°. 

651
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,960
It was like 56 feels like 65. 
But later on I did see, I guess 

652
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,680
it got up to 80. 
It's. 

653
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,280
Certainly warmer than that. 
I mean, I'm in San Diego. 

654
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,520
It's been warmer than that. 
So I mean, I whatever for the 

655
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,920
I'm going to say, yeah, it was 
warmer, but also like, it's not 

656
00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,440
that hot. 
It's not. 

657
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:03,600
It's just not that I. 
Don't want? 

658
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:06,680
To slow down, This is what I 
said at the at the trials when 

659
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:12,600
they were when everyone was 
crying, absolutely crying about 

660
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:17,040
the start time in Orlando. 
And it's like just slow down. 

661
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,520
That's all you got to do. 
Just don't make the team just. 

662
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,160
Don't make the team, just slow 
down. 

663
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,840
It's a race. 
This isn't this isn't a time 

664
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,400
trial. 
It's a race. 

665
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:31,000
And like part of a race is 
dealing with the just the 

666
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,240
outside factors of it, which are
the elements we're running 

667
00:39:35,240 --> 00:39:36,840
outside. 
If we wanted this all to be 

668
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,440
perfectly on treadmills inside 
in a nice perfect cozy treadmill

669
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,120
studio, like we're not doing 
that. 

670
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:45,080
It's outside. 
Just deal with it. 

671
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,040
Slow down, it's OK. 
Walk. 

672
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:53,720
You're raising all very logical 
and reasonable points there, but

673
00:39:53,720 --> 00:39:56,680
you got to remember the Internet
throws that all away. 

674
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,840
I'm just kind of anti metals at 
this point. 

675
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,240
Well, that too, I also thought 
was just sort of like if people 

676
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:08,200
are dis upset, like no one 
really knows if like that 

677
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:12,320
person, that person on that day 
crossed the 18 mile finish line,

678
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,080
got their medal and maybe they 
had a really hard day. 

679
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,520
They're like, you know what, I'm
going to throw this thing away, 

680
00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,520
like, and it's like, OK, that's 
fine. 

681
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,840
I think the outrage was more 
directed at people who are just 

682
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,200
like, oh, if you finish at 18, 
don't call yourself a 

683
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,120
marathoner. 
I kind of agree with that. 

684
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:31,960
Like you didn't run the full 
marathon? 

685
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,440
This is where this is where I 
want that marathon policing 

686
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,840
account to like really find, you
know, some, some motivation. 

687
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:43,080
They need to go through 
accounts, find who said they ran

688
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:49,320
the marathon and posted the the 
the the metal and then like find

689
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:50,360
the results to be like people 
are. 

690
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,160
Turning on the marathon 
investigation account too. 

691
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,000
Yes, them, them people like 
people are turning. 

692
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,000
On that account, it's a lot. 
It's a lot, but people are 

693
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,360
turning on them because now I 
think they're trying to like 

694
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,240
cozy up and chummy up to a 
couple of the running 

695
00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:07,280
influencers. 
Like they'll be in the comment 

696
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:10,520
section of like some of the top 
running influencers being like 

697
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:14,720
good job or like verified or 
like whenever they like make a 

698
00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:17,040
post. 
And it's like, no, I think 

699
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,000
you're supposed to be objective.
You're the integrity unit. 

700
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,080
I don't. 
Understand they're losing the 

701
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,520
big J. 
It's a lowercase J. 

702
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,720
Yeah. 
Oh my gosh. 

703
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:31,360
I don't understand running 
Internet Connor. 

704
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,080
Connor Mance is a running 
influencer. 

705
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:40,120
Nikki Hiltz running influencer. 
Like professional runners are 

706
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:43,000
running influencers. 
Am I just in a bubble here? 

707
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:48,160
Like like who's are there 
baseball influencers for people 

708
00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,520
who are not good at? 
Baseball, the Savannah Bananas. 

709
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,840
Yes, there are. 
Yeah, there are. 

710
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,120
And golf. 
And they're the Savannah 

711
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,920
bananas. 
Yeah, there certainly are. 

712
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,920
Golf especially, Never mind. 
Yeah, GG, absolutely. 

713
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,600
I think that's a that's a decent
parallel. 

714
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,480
If you're not good at golf, 
you're a golf influencer. 

715
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,680
Like that's that exists. 
It's just like you're relatable 

716
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,120
because you're not as good and. 
Oh, you mean like that? 

717
00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:16,080
OK, now I get what you're 
saying. 

718
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,480
No, like, no there aren't. 
In golf, yes they are. 

719
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,560
No, no, no. 
But they're actually decent. 

720
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:26,800
They're the the, you know, I 
know what, Kyle. 

721
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,040
I know what Kyle's talking 
about. 

722
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,880
No, it's not Like what, Kyle? 
'S I feel like I'm going to get 

723
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,240
in trouble for even bringing 
this up. 

724
00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:33,840
Kyle's going to get in trouble 
for bringing this up. 

725
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:39,600
Lovely conversation though, 
'cause I could talk about this 

726
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:45,040
for about 15 hours. 
No, you're I think that this is 

727
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,440
like unique to running and but I
also think it's a by product of 

728
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,640
how accessible the sport is, 
which is ultimately a good 

729
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,320
thing. 
But to Kyle's point, no, it 

730
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,760
doesn't exist in other sports. 
People are starting to get upset

731
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:00,120
with some running influencers. 
People. 

732
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:04,800
Always add advice correct? 
Like that's the whole like I 

733
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,720
understand the idea of being 
relatable and like look like you

734
00:43:09,720 --> 00:43:12,560
have a lot more in common with 
someone who has a busy life and 

735
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:16,280
like multiple kids and like is 
balancing lots of things versus 

736
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,400
someone who like just watches 
Netflix in between 2 double 

737
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,400
threshold workouts. 
So I understand that concept 

738
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,120
fully. 
But like people are turning 

739
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,520
because you're just getting bad 
advice. 

740
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:31,480
And that's what that becomes 
unacceptable. 

741
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:35,440
Whereas like pros can give very 
good advice, but they need to 

742
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,640
find a way to make it more 
relatable and then that's how 

743
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,720
they capture the market. 
They're also. 

744
00:43:40,720 --> 00:43:43,720
Turning on the, the influencers 
because they're all being 

745
00:43:43,720 --> 00:43:49,640
coached by AI and then they're 
all getting hurt and they're all

746
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:54,760
the saying that they're, their 
training plans are going awry 

747
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,600
and all that stuff like, and 
then they're passing on advice 

748
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,200
and taking on coaching clients. 
There's like, there's just so 

749
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,920
many reasons people are upset 
at, at running influencers. 

750
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,120
Yeah, live long enough and then 
you'll see yourself become a 

751
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:14,360
running influencer. 
I do enjoy the, I do enjoy the 

752
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:18,560
like the actively, the, the 
people that actively like seek 

753
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,280
out that content just to be 
upset about it. 

754
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,720
That's kind of, I think that's, 
I think that's my favorite 

755
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:27,600
person, which is about 75% of 
the negative comments you see 

756
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:30,800
online is like, you know, you 
can just like mute or block that

757
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:35,320
person, but like their week 
revolves around consuming that 

758
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,200
person's content in which they 
so publicly hate. 

759
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:40,840
It's like, why? 
Yeah, but. 

760
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,960
All right, I mean, I want to 
revise my general thing, which 

761
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:49,280
is I I'm not anti running 
influencer, but I'm because I 

762
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,240
think they're relatable and the 
storytelling and all has value. 

763
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:56,120
But if you're giving bad advice,
that's really I don't, that's 

764
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:59,400
where I I'm on that team and 
that that's where I think pros 

765
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:02,480
can step up and make their 
quality advice more relatable. 

766
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,280
I I totally agree with you. 
I also just don't think that 

767
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,760
people get upset about the bad 
advice because I I don't even 

768
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,440
think they know it's bad advice.
Like it's already. 

769
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,760
It's like the uneducated being 
educated by the uneducated. 

770
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:15,360
Like they don't know any 
difference. 

771
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:18,960
Just all sheep. 
Like how would they? 

772
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,640
How would, how would you? 
If you were like, looking for 

773
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,600
advice, how would you even know 
that it was bad advice? 

774
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,240
And it's like coming from an 
account that has, you know, a 

775
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:32,760
couple 100,000 followers. 
That's why I go to the Two O 4 

776
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,680
marathoner and I'd be like, 
what's this guy thing? 

777
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,000
Right, but then the two O 4 
marathoner won't tell you 

778
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,200
anything. 
It's like I'm not. 

779
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:41,560
Going to also Connor. 
I've seen Connor run through too

780
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,880
many stress fractures that I 
think maybe he shouldn't give. 

781
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,640
Anyone. 
Yeah, also like professional. 

782
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,920
Runners with travel lately if 
it's crushed. 

783
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:49,720
No. 
What's going on? 

784
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,680
Goes back, Yeah, you you should 
look at look at it while Mac 

785
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,920
fires off this latest take. 
Oh yeah, no, I was just going to

786
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,480
say like the public for what? 
For what the people that are 

787
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,240
publicly mad about like 
influences and what they do 

788
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:07,280
about would be so upset about 
what pro runners do and like 

789
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:11,880
what they run through and how 
they, how they get to where 

790
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:12,840
they're at. 
They would. 

791
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,680
Maybe it's better we we keep 
them separate. 

792
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:18,680
Yes, I, I actually think so. 
Or like there's the, I don't 

793
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,280
know, the, the best example I 
can think of is like Shari 

794
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:28,520
Hawkins or who's the marathoner 
Britt? 

795
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,120
Oh, Philly Bowden. 
Yes, I think those are like 2 

796
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,440
fantastic examples of of like 
pros that are you could also 

797
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:39,720
consider like hard influences, 
but they're also just like the 

798
00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:42,480
best of the best as well. 
Yeah, but the moment that Philly

799
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:45,080
Bowden got hurt and pulled out 
of a race, they were they were 

800
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:49,040
just like crucifying her for for
for getting hurt. 

801
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:51,760
Yeah, I see. 
I don't see that. 

802
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,920
I don't. 
Even though this is my job, I 

803
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,080
don't necessarily live in that 
world. 

804
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,560
Where I, no, I, I, I try not to 
dive into the influencer side. 

805
00:46:59,560 --> 00:47:02,880
I do think that we should launch
a vertical that mainly only 

806
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,600
covers running influencers and 
in the same way that we have 

807
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,160
breaking news graphics over this
person announced for this race, 

808
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:15,920
it's like boom, like Matt Joy 
just announced for Chicago 

809
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,720
Marathon and. 
It's so good, it's so good. 

810
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,360
Who's who's doing that account? 
And so we got to we got to find 

811
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:27,960
a college kid. 
All right, here's the open call.

812
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:33,240
If you are listening to this and
you are very much into covering 

813
00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:36,200
the running influencer side, and
I'm not saying like police 

814
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:41,120
watchdogging them. 
I'm just saying like newsworthy,

815
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:48,280
funny content, like reach out 
chris@sidiousmag.com. 

816
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:52,200
We have ideas. 
We have I've I've got a logo 

817
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:54,840
ready. 
I've got account. 

818
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:57,240
You have a logo already. 
Yeah, So it's going to be called

819
00:47:57,240 --> 00:47:59,960
Runcrave. 
You know how like on Twitter you

820
00:47:59,960 --> 00:48:03,040
have Popcrave and like, that's 
the account that like, does all 

821
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:04,720
of like, the Hollywood stuff. 
This one should be called 

822
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:07,760
Runcrave. 
And it'll just be all running 

823
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:13,080
influencer like, oh, the Utah 
runner girlies like competed in 

824
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,280
this race this past weekend. 
Like the results graphic. 

825
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:22,720
We'll do. 
We'll do records like 

826
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:27,320
Influencer, Marathon Record, 
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827
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,000
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833
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834
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,520
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835
00:48:57,960 --> 00:49:03,600
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836
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:07,640
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Just ask the hotel staff in Fort

837
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,080
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839
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Now, obviously, that led to a 

840
00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:19,680
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841
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,040
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We had Americans chasing the 

859
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,160
standard on Saturday in 
Philadelphia. 

860
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:28,200
You know, big ups to the 
Philadelphia Track Club who put 

861
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,720
on that meet out at the Arts 
Center, provided an opportunity 

862
00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:36,040
for the likes of Luke Hauser, 
Nathan Green, Sean Dolan to go 

863
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:39,720
out and chase standards. 
And they got it done. 

864
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,640
But afterwards in our group 
chat, it was lighting up Kyle, 

865
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:47,400
because you were just like, I 
don't know if I feel good about 

866
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:52,400
athletes chasing standards. 
And not Atlanta Track Club, I 

867
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:58,320
mean, that's my team, yeah. 
So not specific to Atlanta, but 

868
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,920
just in general the concept of 
chasing standards, I'm cold on. 

869
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:05,120
I don't understand who that 
benefits. 

870
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,040
And I just think it makes it 
confusing at the finish line. 

871
00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:12,600
And the amount of effort that we
spent during USA is just 

872
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:16,640
figuring out who is on the team 
and where people have to go. 

873
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:20,320
I just, I don't think it creates
A narrative that is interesting 

874
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,240
and I'm out. 
Yeah. 

875
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:27,200
So what's what's your fix here? 
I mean, the fix that I've always

876
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:32,920
had is that I mean outdoors, my 
fix is that spots should be 

877
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:37,200
allocated by country. 
That if if the entire point of 

878
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,000
qualification standards is to 
hold people to a certain 

879
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:43,240
standard before entering a 
championship. 

880
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,680
Well, if you if you're Luke 
Hauser, Nathan Green and you 

881
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:52,480
just beat Cole Hawker and Yard 
and a Goose and a half dozen 

882
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,960
other guys who've all run under 
the standard, then you've proven

883
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,800
that you are good enough. 
The fact that we're going to 

884
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:03,760
have to go make you run 334 at a
time trial somewhere, I just 

885
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:05,080
don't see what that's 
accomplished. 

886
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:06,800
We already knew Luke Hauser was 
good enough. 

887
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,080
Oh, excuse. 
You could just look at last 

888
00:52:08,080 --> 00:52:09,640
year's World Indoor 
Championships. 

889
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,440
And so I always think that in 
the outdoor season that they 

890
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,600
should just be allocated by 
country, that if you beat other 

891
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:20,080
people who have the standard and
the federation decides that they

892
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:24,640
want to send you, that they're 
more than allowed to indoors. 

893
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:28,520
My take is that, I mean, I'm 
writing, I wrote about it for 

894
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:30,320
the lab count to be published 
Wednesday. 

895
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:33,960
But I just think in general, 
this whole concept of two 

896
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:38,320
athletes per country is just 
silly at this point. 

897
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,640
I mean, you really the the 
window opens in November, but 

898
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:47,000
really the indoor season is 
maybe 6-7 weeks long. 

899
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,800
And so why are we forcing 
athletes into a box? 

900
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:57,200
And like, leaving Nico Young 
home, the US cares about 

901
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,840
indoors. 
Let's follow the World Ultimate 

902
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,080
Championship precedent of just 
allowing as many athletes as 

903
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:07,440
possible from country and if 
they're qualifying. 

904
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:11,240
So I think the World Indoor 
Championships should follow the 

905
00:53:11,240 --> 00:53:14,640
NCAA procedure and essentially 
just do a descending order. 

906
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,600
And if four guys from Oregon 
have the 3000 meter time, then 

907
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,480
you have 4 guys in Oregon from 
Oregon in that NCAA race. 

908
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:23,840
Yeah, Where's the pushback 
coming on this? 

909
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,800
I guess like because we have 
Preet in the group chat and he 

910
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,520
was like trying to poke a couple
holes in this whole entire 

911
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:29,600
thing. 
He's like, this is a very 

912
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:32,880
American way of of seeing 
things. 

913
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:36,760
Was that? 
I mean, the pushback is that 

914
00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,720
it's the World Championships and
therefore athletes from all over

915
00:53:40,720 --> 00:53:43,000
the world should be represented.
But I just think the best 

916
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:46,920
athletes from all over the world
should be represented. 

917
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,200
And I don't really care what 
country you're attached to. 

918
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,120
If you're invested in the indoor
season and you're running well 

919
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,880
and you have a chance to podium,
just because two other guys from

920
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,640
your country have an opportunity
to podium doesn't necessarily 

921
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,200
mean you shouldn't be there. 
I think especially as we're 

922
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,720
seeing athletes just jump 
countries all Willy nilly, like,

923
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:08,040
are we going to get mad at Nico 
Young when he decides he doesn't

924
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,480
want to run for the US anymore? 
It's like, why? 

925
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:14,920
Why run for the US? 
You you are clearly good enough 

926
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,280
to potentially win the World 
Indoor Championships and we're 

927
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,640
not sending you. 
Like, yeah, it really. 

928
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:23,280
Go to Bahrain. 
Yeah, you really do punish the 

929
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:27,120
people that do care about 
indoors specifically because you

930
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:31,240
are limited to those two spots. 
And in a year like this, you you

931
00:54:31,240 --> 00:54:34,400
kind of like some people care 
and some people just plainly 

932
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:36,520
don't care about indoors. 
Like we have some of our. 

933
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,520
It's very clear right now if. 
You have some of our biggest 

934
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,400
stars across the world just 
don't care about indoors and 

935
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:47,240
that's OK. 
But that's also kind of like, I 

936
00:54:47,240 --> 00:54:52,120
don't know, it's it's you're 
leaving some of the people that 

937
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:55,440
do care home, which sucks 
because you have some some 

938
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,880
really good athletes that could 
meddle that really care about 

939
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,920
performing well this indoor 
season that just someone like 

940
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:05,680
Aniko Young isn't going to go 
and he's being replaced by 

941
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:09,600
someone somewhere around the 
world that maybe doesn't care 

942
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,120
that much about going, but is 
going to be selected to their 

943
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,640
team. 
And it has no shot anywhere of 

944
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,040
like performing in the final. 
So that that's, that's where 

945
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:21,080
it's kind of like, what are, 
what are we doing here? 

946
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,720
Like what, what's the actual 
goal of World Athletics 

947
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,320
Championships, especially 
indoors? 

948
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:30,520
Is it about like total 
representation across as many 

949
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,880
countries as as possible? 
Or is it about like can we find 

950
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:39,160
the best 8 best 12 athletes in 
this event and and like deliver 

951
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:44,840
a final? 
Yeah, I can also see why World 

952
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,680
Athletics would want more 
countries represented rather 

953
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:51,560
than the best of the best. 
You'd sell more rights to the 

954
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:55,800
broadcast globally. 
But this already exists in 

955
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:57,640
outdoors and during the 
Olympics. 

956
00:55:57,640 --> 00:56:01,480
And like, if you're a top ranked
athlete from a smaller country, 

957
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,320
you still have that opportunity.
Like they have certain events 

958
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,080
that basically say. 
University. 

959
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:07,800
You're allowed to. 
Yeah. 

960
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:11,040
And so like, why not just apply 
that indoors? 

961
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:15,920
And if your highest ranked 
athlete is in the 3K and you 

962
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:18,600
want to send someone in a 3K, 
like, all right, just throw, 

963
00:56:18,720 --> 00:56:21,400
throw, make it 16, all right. 
And. 

964
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,720
But I just don't see why we're 
leaving out very, very 

965
00:56:25,720 --> 00:56:30,120
competitive athletes just 
because they're from the US and 

966
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,600
or if you're from a different 
country that takes the indoor 

967
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:37,760
season very seriously. 
But like Kenya is just choosing 

968
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:41,720
not to send like remotely for 
being distant. 

969
00:56:41,720 --> 00:56:45,200
Like, yeah. 
Like, so like, what are we 

970
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:47,520
doing? 
Like give Niko Young Kenya's 

971
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:50,200
spot? 
Like, I want to see Niko race. 

972
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:55,360
So I just think that at some 
point there's a balance between 

973
00:56:55,360 --> 00:57:00,920
trying to create incentives and 
then also just like punishing 

974
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:04,880
people for trying. 
Like if I'm, if I'm an athlete 

975
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,360
and I've tried to make the world
indoor championships and I don't

976
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,800
make it like Nico didn't the 
next year, am I like, or the 

977
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,840
next World indoor championships 
that comes around. 

978
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:15,280
Did you even give it a go? 
Just. 

979
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,280
Let it go, just go do a half 
marathon and just move on. 

980
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,560
Because there aren't like there 
are financial implications of 

981
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,560
really sending it indoors 
because there's not a lot of 

982
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:29,520
money return indoors for, for 
really good pros, Americans, 

983
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:34,040
I'll say. 
And yeah, you're, you're sort of

984
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:36,840
depending if this is athlete to 
athlete and group to group, 

985
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,880
coach to coach to coach to 
coach. 

986
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,400
But you're, you're kind of 
disrupting what your ideal 

987
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,520
outdoor season would be by full 
sending indoors. 

988
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:47,040
So and because there's no 
outdoor world champs and it's 

989
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:49,840
just indoors, like there's just 
a lot of variables at play. 

990
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:53,080
And to Kyle's point, yeah, like,
do you do it again? 

991
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:54,560
Like if you're Nico, do you do 
it again? 

992
00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,160
Yeah, probably. 
Yeah, you're less incentivized 

993
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:04,120
too. 
I think of the 2016 Olympics, 

994
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:10,720
the women's 100 meter hurdles, 
first, second, third, USA, you 

995
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,840
know, and then you know who is 
the at the end of the season, 

996
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:18,080
the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th 
fastest women in the world. 

997
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,120
They're all American. 
Yeah, I know that was. 

998
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:24,040
A crazy and it's like at some 
point you just go, I don't know,

999
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:28,640
maybe we let more Americans in 
if you're fast enough so and 

1000
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,720
maybe she'll let more Kenyans 
into the steeple like if they're

1001
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,400
the best at it like why are we 
letting others countries who are

1002
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:42,280
not as good send 3 athletes. 
And so I, I'm very pro world 

1003
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,600
ultimate championship 
qualification format. 

1004
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,840
I think it is I I'm very keen on
it. 

1005
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,680
I think that if you're going to 
consolidate from 10 days to 

1006
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,480
three days, if that's the way to
do it. 

1007
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:58,200
And I think the NCAA indoor 
season has has something figured

1008
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:00,520
out that for the athletics could
borrow. 

1009
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:02,920
Yeah. 
Also maybe like just don't test 

1010
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:04,160
athletes anymore and let them 
dope. 

1011
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,360
I don't know. 
That's that's the one thing that

1012
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:14,000
NCAA has not figured out. 
Speaking of doping sanctions, 

1013
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:19,720
Fred Curley handed down a two 
year ban for whereabouts 

1014
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:20,920
failures. 
Whereabouts. 

1015
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:25,360
I just want to jump in 
whereabouts not I don't think we

1016
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,920
can call that doping. 
And I, I stand on that. 

1017
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:29,600
I'll I'll die on that hill 
forever. 

1018
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,240
No, I don't think anyone's 
calling it doping. 

1019
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:37,840
It is an anti doping violation, 
an anti doping offense. 

1020
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:43,560
It's not doping but missed three
tests in a span of 12 months in 

1021
00:59:44,080 --> 00:59:50,640
2024 and into 2025. 
SA bunch of results from 

1022
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,800
December through August 2025 
have been wiped. 

1023
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,240
He has been ordered to pay $4000
in legal fees. 

1024
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:04,520
He's out until 2027, so he does 
have a chance of coming back for

1025
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:10,080
the 2028 LA Olympics, but. 
The fall from grace for Fred has

1026
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:15,080
been swift. 
Beyond this suspension, he also 

1027
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:19,920
had the arrests and those 
assault allegations and charges.

1028
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:25,080
Everything got dropped in court.
But then after that, you know, 

1029
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:30,200
once this provisional suspension
happened, he joined the Enhanced

1030
01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:34,280
Games, which is set for May in 
Vegas. 

1031
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:36,520
I haven't really seen a whole 
lot more about it. 

1032
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,720
And then he kind of lost the 
public with that. 

1033
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,920
But once the two year ban got 
announced just a couple days 

1034
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:46,960
ago, he's kind of gone scorched 
to the earth on Twitter. 

1035
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:54,720
And it's a lot threatening to 
expose, you know, other 

1036
01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:59,760
potential athletes who have 
committed, you know, doping 

1037
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:04,520
violations or or abusing the Tue
system. 

1038
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:09,360
The therapeutic use therapeutic.
Exemption. 

1039
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:12,400
Exemption. 
Yeah, therapeutic use exemption.

1040
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,280
Yeah, that's what it is. 
Thank you, Mac. 

1041
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:21,240
The athletes who use that to 
kind of have, you know, it's a 

1042
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,000
Gray area in the anti doping 
world. 

1043
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:30,360
So yeah, he's been pretty vocal 
and aggressive on Twitter, but 

1044
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,360
it does it's not going to do 
anything to reverse the AI US 

1045
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:37,760
decision. 
So it kind of, yeah, it's been 

1046
01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:39,680
just kind of a crazy turn of 
events. 

1047
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:43,200
It's like you're we're watching 
Fred's tweets to see if he, you 

1048
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:49,040
know, ends up naming anyone. 
He is very clearly hinting at 

1049
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:55,640
like just how the AIU has banned
him for two years, but hasn't 

1050
01:01:55,640 --> 01:02:00,920
really come out with much action
beyond Marvin Bracey's own 

1051
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:06,880
suspension, which I think you 
sada put it that they were, 

1052
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,280
there was still going to be more
to come from that. 

1053
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:13,280
So we haven't seen the entire 
scope of their investigation 

1054
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,240
and, and where it's gone. 
One guy did end up getting 

1055
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:20,960
arrested by and, and charged 
here in the US 'cause it is a, 

1056
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:29,720
it's a law now to provide 
athletes with banned substances 

1057
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,760
and all that kind of stuff 
because it does impact greater, 

1058
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,640
bigger sporting events. 
And we're going to be hosting a 

1059
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,160
lot of those over the next 
couple years. 

1060
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:41,040
So, yeah, it's a, it's a big, 
big mess basically at this 

1061
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:45,320
point, just sort of, yeah, 
Fred's gone for, for the next 

1062
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,640
two years. 
People want to watch him. 

1063
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,000
He's at, he's going to be at the
enhanced games. 

1064
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,280
He continues to say that he's 
not one of the enhanced 

1065
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:56,720
athletes. 
He's in the USADA testing pool 

1066
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,560
and he's still getting tested. 
We haven't ever seen a positive 

1067
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,120
test reported for any sort of 
banned substance. 

1068
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,080
And so that's where we're at 
with it. 

1069
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,880
Did you have any sort of other 
thoughts on just sort of the 

1070
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:17,720
Fred Curly story unfolding so? 
I Full disclosure, I I really 

1071
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:21,880
like Fred, so I'm I'm not going 
to like let that be a hidden 

1072
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:23,240
secret. 
Like I like Fred and I'm ready 

1073
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:27,080
to Fern and this sucks to see, 
But something I was thinking 

1074
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,080
about was and Chris, I don't 
know if you have any big J left 

1075
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:36,240
in your blood, but I would love 
to get a sense of various elite 

1076
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:40,640
athletes stories of how they've 
missed tests because you only 

1077
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:43,600
ever hear stories of athletes 
missing tests when they've been 

1078
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,200
popped and you get to read the 
case in the three different 

1079
01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:52,040
instances. 
But if any friends of the show 

1080
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:56,440
are interested in anonymously 
sharing different occasions in 

1081
01:03:56,440 --> 01:04:00,120
which they've missed tests, I 
would be so curious to know like

1082
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:04,880
what, what it, how it went. 
I know I personally, I never 

1083
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,360
missed a test. 
I was very close one time 

1084
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,200
because I said that I was going 
to be home and then a flight got

1085
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:14,760
delayed and then I wasn't going 
to be home the next day. 

1086
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:16,960
But fortunately I was traveling 
with teammates. 

1087
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,880
And one of the teammates said 
like, oh, let's just e-mail you 

1088
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:21,960
saw to let him know that we're 
like sleeping in the airport 

1089
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:22,960
tonight. 
We're not making it home. 

1090
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,080
And I did that. 
And then they showed up the next

1091
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:28,760
morning. 
I wasn't there, but then they 

1092
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,800
checked the e-mail and they 
realized that I had emailed them

1093
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:35,400
like hours before and gave him a
different location, which was 

1094
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:39,240
like a terminal. 
So I, I, I got off like it was 

1095
01:04:39,240 --> 01:04:40,320
fine. 
It was not an issue at all. 

1096
01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,040
But like those sort of things 
happened and that would have 

1097
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,280
theoretically been a strike. 
And so I just want to get like a

1098
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:50,280
collection of stories from elite
athletes who don't have three 

1099
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:54,520
missed tests, who are presumably
clean of just their like what 

1100
01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:58,840
their stories are to get a sense
when you do hear the, the three 

1101
01:04:58,840 --> 01:05:05,160
missed test stories of like how 
believable they are or like how 

1102
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:08,040
ridiculous they are. 
Is it what kind, what kind of 

1103
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:10,720
effort do they normally make in 
order to find the athletes? 

1104
01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:12,720
Cause again, like we live in a 
surveillance state. 

1105
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,680
So it just seems like you could 
find anyone at any given time. 

1106
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:20,360
And like this whole like 
runaround just seems archaic. 

1107
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:23,760
Oh, the AIU came around at the 
right time because like, you 

1108
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:30,480
know, when they first launched 
in 2017, the Ring cameras and 

1109
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:33,400
all these apps and stuff that 
people have on their phones, 

1110
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:36,800
like definitely we're not as 
fully capable as they are now. 

1111
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:39,880
Like I'm always blown away by 
the level of detail that their 

1112
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:44,520
investigators are able to pull. 
I mean, a lot of the money that 

1113
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:49,280
they have goes into that those 
people who are in addition to a 

1114
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:53,200
lot of lawyers, but also these 
are PIS. 

1115
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,120
These are people who worked in 
Interpol. 

1116
01:05:55,120 --> 01:06:02,640
Like, it it like it's that kind 
of level of expertise that they 

1117
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:08,320
bring to be able to get down to,
hey, was Mokateer actually at 

1118
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:13,800
this airport at this time? 
And who's at home when this 

1119
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:17,120
person comes back? 
Like something about Fred, like 

1120
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:21,800
they thought to check Fred 
Curley, his Ring camera and he 

1121
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,200
only like the time stamps of 
when he sent a notification or 

1122
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,520
change something in an app. 
All everything's getting tracked

1123
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:29,480
and it's like they're able to 
get all of that data. 

1124
01:06:30,720 --> 01:06:34,200
And the crazy part about the 
system is that it is, you know, 

1125
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:38,320
you're guilty until proven 
innocent and you do have a very 

1126
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:43,080
uphill battle to face when all 
of this stuff can be presented 

1127
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:46,200
against you. 
So that's the hardest part. 

1128
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:48,000
Mac, were you going to say 
something about just sort of, 

1129
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,800
Did you ever make success? 
No, no, no missed tests. 

1130
01:06:51,800 --> 01:06:57,440
But it is, I would say extremely
easy to to miss and like how bad

1131
01:06:57,520 --> 01:06:59,200
is this? 
App that everyone talks about, 

1132
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:00,760
that's the one thing that all 
the athletes. 

1133
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:03,840
The new one is better, but it's 
still horrible. 

1134
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:07,800
And the one back then, I mean, 
obviously I don't I don't have 

1135
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:09,280
it on my phone. 
I haven't seen the new one, but 

1136
01:07:09,280 --> 01:07:12,840
I've heard it's better. 
And most people are like, just 

1137
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:16,640
allow us to turn on like 
location services like so that 

1138
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:20,440
you can see where I am because 
so many times they're trying to 

1139
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,840
update their whereabouts and it 
doesn't go through or they don't

1140
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:27,440
know it didn't go through. 
And like, I know, I do know a 

1141
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:31,280
couple athletes that have missed
tests by just sleeping and like 

1142
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:34,360
someone didn't knock loud enough
or call, like, you know, they 

1143
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:36,680
got a white noise machine on and
they're sleeping at a training 

1144
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:42,560
camp and like someone knocks 
just not loud enough. 

1145
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:44,760
And then like, you know, two 
hours later, they find out they 

1146
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,480
have a missed test and like 
there's no nefarious action 

1147
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,080
going on. 
But that's just like the reality

1148
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,640
of it. 
And I think something that it, 

1149
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:56,640
and this is just from my 
experience of like being in 

1150
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,240
especially in Flagstaff where 
there are a lot of tests that 

1151
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:05,000
happened, that the testers are 
human and that is both good and 

1152
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:08,440
bad. 
And amongst the athletes there, 

1153
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:13,120
there are like these testers 
have a basically a five star 

1154
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:17,160
rating of, you know, if we're 
going back to like the Uber five

1155
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:22,680
star ratings. 
And some of them are are a 

1156
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:25,880
little bit like they're trying 
to be too personable, I would 

1157
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:28,479
say, and they have too much. 
Personality. 

1158
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:33,960
And they are like, they're too 
much of A character in the 

1159
01:08:33,960 --> 01:08:35,439
scene. 
You're like, this is my 

1160
01:08:35,439 --> 01:08:40,800
livelihood here. 
Like if I I need to do this test

1161
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:43,479
and like you need to knock on 
the door loud enough or call me 

1162
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:47,359
or all these things and it just 
says this, this needs to be like

1163
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:50,399
a binary. 
I take the test, I pass the test

1164
01:08:50,399 --> 01:08:54,040
and like, I don't have some sort
of like weird personable 

1165
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:57,800
exchange with you. 
But these people, but some of 

1166
01:08:57,800 --> 01:09:01,760
them are the exact opposite, 
I'll say. 

1167
01:09:02,359 --> 01:09:05,200
And it's just not like easiest 
to deal with. 

1168
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:07,279
I don't know how best to to say 
that. 

1169
01:09:07,279 --> 01:09:11,520
I don't know. 
I haven't thought of this in a 

1170
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:15,600
few years but I think I've told 
you as a story that like my 

1171
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:19,920
tester watched me poop like 
multiple times and then he would

1172
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,359
and then he would like go to my 
teammates house immediately 

1173
01:09:24,359 --> 01:09:34,279
after and then complain to them.
You're like, go to Johnny's and 

1174
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:36,920
be like, Kyle pooped again. 
The Super. 

1175
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,399
Yeah. 
So that's that's kind of the 

1176
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:44,760
things I'm talking about. 
And it's like that's not for you

1177
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,960
to be telling Johnny. 
Like that's supposed to be like 

1178
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,600
you're supposed to be a robot in
there. 

1179
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:50,960
And sometimes you're. 
Hanging out. 

1180
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:53,600
First off, I already told 
Johnny. 

1181
01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:59,680
Yeah, but like, I mean, I got to
like we, I'm not going to say 

1182
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:03,160
the instance, but someone, 
someone I think asked if they're

1183
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:05,600
like kid could get an autograph 
from someone. 

1184
01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:07,360
And like there's just some 
weird. 

1185
01:10:07,440 --> 01:10:10,280
Like it's not, it's not as like,
oh, this person missed tests, 

1186
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:12,880
they're doping. 
Like there is another side of 

1187
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,000
this that is like human and 
isn't perfect. 

1188
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,320
And it's just kind of like 
weird, I'll say. 

1189
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:24,360
So so Chris and I share our 
locations with each other, but 

1190
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,480
Mac, no matter how many times I 
seem to request you on Find My 

1191
01:10:27,480 --> 01:10:29,160
Friends. 
Or you don't. 

1192
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:33,800
Share You don't share your. 
Location. 

1193
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:40,080
With me and I've, I'm obviously 
a little suspicious now of like 

1194
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:43,400
what you might be up to because 
Chris and I have demonstrated 

1195
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:47,600
that we're an open book and it's
unrequited. 

1196
01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,440
I'm so sorry. 
I'll make sure right now after 

1197
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:52,720
this too. 
Do you share with me? 

1198
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:54,440
Who do you share? 
My wife. 

1199
01:10:54,440 --> 01:10:56,080
Who do you share? 
I think it's just my wife. 

1200
01:10:59,080 --> 01:11:00,960
But not Chris and I. 
No, but not Chris and you. 

1201
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:02,400
OK, All right. 
OK. 

1202
01:11:02,440 --> 01:11:04,080
Well, now that's OK. 
It's crazy. 

1203
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,680
Now I know that you've been 
thinking about it and it's such 

1204
01:11:06,680 --> 01:11:09,800
a big deal. 
I mean, Chris and I talk about 

1205
01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:11,600
it all the time. 
We're just like, where is Mac? 

1206
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:12,760
We have no idea. 
Yeah. 

1207
01:11:12,920 --> 01:11:15,360
Or he'll he'll text me and be 
like, oh, I see you're at 

1208
01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:19,760
Bukowski's again without me. 
I wish I could permanently set 

1209
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,560
my location to Bukowski's. 
No, it's just going to be you 

1210
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:25,120
guys being like, oh, he's in the
middle of the ocean again, 

1211
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:29,560
what's he doing out there? 
What are you doing in the ocean?

1212
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,520
Yeah, it's winter time. 
It's been OK all right, LA 

1213
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,600
Marathon. 
It's been summer here for the 

1214
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:40,560
last month. 
I don't even know what summer is

1215
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:42,960
anymore. 
All right, you. 

1216
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:47,560
Should see look my tan lines 
from long sleeves outside. 

1217
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,560
I got my hands are dark as hell.
You're darker than me. 

1218
01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:57,600
All right, that brings us to 
this upcoming weekend NCAA is 

1219
01:11:57,600 --> 01:12:00,120
taking place. 
What is the event that you're 

1220
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:05,880
looking forward to the most and 
why is it the men's 3K and 5K 

1221
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:08,800
starring the one and only Marco 
Lang and. 

1222
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:13,400
Kyle, can I just say like that 
takes exposed my my buddy Owen 

1223
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:14,760
just didn't have the indoor 
season. 

1224
01:12:14,760 --> 01:12:16,800
I thought he was going to, but 
outdoors. 

1225
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:19,120
Yeah, that's right. 
Yeah, it's still right in front 

1226
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:20,200
of us. 
And we still got it. 

1227
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:21,760
Owen. 
No, I. 

1228
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,840
Just wait, what did he run? 
No, I just I said he was going 

1229
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:27,720
to get second in NCAA's indoors.
No, you said he was going to win

1230
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:28,600
the whole. 
Thing no, I said. 

1231
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,560
He was going to win outdoors and
get second indoors. 

1232
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:32,640
Oh, OK. 
Did he run? 

1233
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:36,920
Yeah, he ran 3 doors. 
I think he PB Ed in the mile. 

1234
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:42,240
But like people have to be 
running like 350 now these days.

1235
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:43,960
So it's it's kind of tough for 
freshmen. 

1236
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:50,960
Interesting women's 5K. 
A lot of people will probably 

1237
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:56,640
point towards Jane versus Doris 
as the marquee matchup, but was 

1238
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:01,240
it Sydney Vaught from Arkansas 
who ran that fast 5K at 

1239
01:13:01,240 --> 01:13:05,160
conference? 
Probably one of the fastest 5 KS

1240
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,800
in NCAA history That's out the 
at a championship with no 

1241
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:15,400
pacemaker, Not at BU because you
think back to just sort of the 

1242
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:16,720
last couple of years. 
What was it? 

1243
01:13:17,040 --> 01:13:20,560
Parker Valley, 2024 Boston. 
That was a fast one. 

1244
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:25,040
But then this is probably the 
next fastest at SECS. 

1245
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:30,120
So just another person to make 
that women's five KA bit more 

1246
01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:33,440
interesting. 
But yeah, when we go back to 

1247
01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:38,800
just sort of discussing Marco 
Langan trying to, you know, take

1248
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:42,080
on this double, it's not going 
to be easy with the likes of 

1249
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:45,280
Brian Masal. 
Yes, but half of them, Samuels 

1250
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:49,360
in another one. 
If he's able to pull off the 

1251
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:54,280
victory in either one of them, 
it is going to be an absolute 

1252
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:57,720
riot in Fayetteville. 
Yeah. 

1253
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:00,240
I was just to say if you go down
like descending order list, 

1254
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:03,240
which we don't have full entries
up yet, like we have the 

1255
01:14:03,240 --> 01:14:06,280
declarations, but we don't, we 
don't have the the full like 

1256
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:08,920
heat sheet list or any of that. 
The the women's races, 

1257
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:14,320
definitely they're more game for
running hard early in these 

1258
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:16,280
championships at the unsuitably 
level for sure. 

1259
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:21,640
I would say professionally, 
we've seen the men's races get 

1260
01:14:21,640 --> 01:14:23,200
faster. 
I would say over the last five 

1261
01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:27,520
years since Jacob's, you know, 
just been taking everything and 

1262
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:31,480
they've kind of like met the 
women in terms of like, oh, 

1263
01:14:31,480 --> 01:14:33,640
we're just going to run harder 
early and you're going to have 

1264
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,360
to basically PB in these 
championships if you want to run

1265
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:38,480
well. 
I don't think the NCAA's have 

1266
01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:41,400
like quite gotten there all the 
way yet. 

1267
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:44,320
On the men's side, they're still
the men's side. 

1268
01:14:44,320 --> 01:14:47,840
They're still down to sit and 
kick and screw around and be as 

1269
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:51,120
chaotic as possible. 
So on the women's side, if you 

1270
01:14:51,120 --> 01:14:56,960
look at kind of the PBS going 
in, I would say more times than 

1271
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:00,120
not that's going to be kind of 
your your finishers list at the 

1272
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,160
championships. 
But on the men's side, it's it's

1273
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:06,600
going to be a total mix. 
And I would love to know what 

1274
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:11,480
our odds are on Marco Langan 
being on the ground and falling 

1275
01:15:11,480 --> 01:15:16,920
at the finish line are. 
Oh, that's 100% guarantee it's 

1276
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:21,920
gonna leave it all. 
Out like minus -5000 type right?

1277
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:24,280
Dude just sends it. 
Love him. 

1278
01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:28,280
I wish we had like 100 Marco 
Leggins. 

1279
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:34,400
Kyle, the question you posed a 
couple weeks ago was you don't, 

1280
01:15:34,520 --> 01:15:37,600
you didn't know at the time if 
you're rooting for him to win or

1281
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:41,840
to lose because you didn't know 
what would make for a better 

1282
01:15:41,840 --> 01:15:45,720
post race interview. 
Where have you landed on that 

1283
01:15:45,720 --> 01:15:50,160
now? 
I want to see him lose day one, 

1284
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,360
win day 2. 
I want to see the best of both 

1285
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:57,520
worlds. 
See see the reaction both of. 

1286
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,600
Them get if he wins on day one, 
there's no way he's making the 

1287
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:03,520
starting line in day 2. 
No, he will. 

1288
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:06,960
He's good, Chris, he's good. 
Don't let don't let like a a 

1289
01:16:07,200 --> 01:16:10,920
Eric Jenkins type. 
Like people thought Eric was 

1290
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:13,800
like this hardcore partier and 
all this when he was like 

1291
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:16,120
running in season. 
The dude was the most serious, 

1292
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,880
like buttoned up professional 
when he was running of all time.

1293
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:25,080
And Marco with how good he is, 
like there's, there's nothing 

1294
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:29,560
that shows that he isn't there 
like to compete and win like, 

1295
01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:31,560
and he's like giving everything 
that he can. 

1296
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:34,280
He wants 2 titles, yeah. 
Yeah. 

1297
01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:39,600
Be sick, Yeah. 
And then I, I'm just going 

1298
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,680
through and I'm trying to think 
like, if you're Jane, how do you

1299
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:45,280
approach this? 
Like, what have you learned 

1300
01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:47,560
during the season and what do 
you do differently to kind of 

1301
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:50,200
set yourself up to hopefully 
come away Victor? 

1302
01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:54,920
I think losing at Melrose to her
team mate was a good thing and 

1303
01:16:54,920 --> 01:17:00,360
at well, losing to Doris at 
Melrose was a good thing and 

1304
01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:06,000
then losing to Riley Chamberlain
at BU was another learning 

1305
01:17:06,280 --> 01:17:09,760
moment for her. 
And so it relieved, I think a 

1306
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:14,160
ton of expectations that people 
maybe from the outside had in, 

1307
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:17,800
oh, this freshman is going to be
winning every single thing. 

1308
01:17:18,440 --> 01:17:22,040
I think that's kind of been 
calmed down a little bit. 

1309
01:17:22,040 --> 01:17:27,840
And so now it's more if she 
wins, it's an amazing moment for

1310
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,000
a freshman. 
If she finishes second or third,

1311
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,720
I still think that's a very 
strong showing. 

1312
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:35,800
So I thought that that those 
were two good things and now she

1313
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:40,520
might be it. 
It won't be a shock if she wins 

1314
01:17:40,520 --> 01:17:42,760
the whole thing. 
Yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll just say 

1315
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:44,200
it's not a shock if she wins the
whole thing. 

1316
01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:46,920
But you know, we have to remind 
ourselves that she is a freshman

1317
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:49,760
and like. 
Yeah. 

1318
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,440
She's allowed to learn the like 
the we shouldn't expect her 

1319
01:17:53,440 --> 01:17:55,640
necessarily to. 
I don't, I hate the word like 

1320
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:58,720
pressure, but we shouldn't be 
disappointed if she if she 

1321
01:17:58,720 --> 01:18:02,440
loses, like, because the like 
someone like Doris, one goal is 

1322
01:18:02,440 --> 01:18:05,480
just so good, so good. 
And like the expectation should 

1323
01:18:05,480 --> 01:18:08,960
be that Doris actually wins, 
especially with her experience 

1324
01:18:09,240 --> 01:18:12,320
like in the Diamond League and 
at worlds and in the NCAA 

1325
01:18:12,320 --> 01:18:15,200
system. 
Like really, if you look at it, 

1326
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:17,800
you're like, oh, this is this 
really should be Doris's race. 

1327
01:18:19,720 --> 01:18:23,040
But yeah, I I think in terms if 
we're just like looking at Jane 

1328
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:28,200
Hendigren, I think we we're all 
kind of like looking at her 

1329
01:18:28,200 --> 01:18:31,000
future and what she could be 
kind of on like the American and

1330
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:36,480
global scene. 
And for us nerds here, like we 

1331
01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:38,760
just want to kind of see her 
grow in terms of racing. 

1332
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:40,520
I think that's what I'm looking 
at. 

1333
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,320
I'm like, I want to see her do 
something a little different 

1334
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:45,320
than Melrose, something a little
different than across country 

1335
01:18:45,320 --> 01:18:46,920
nationals. 
Like, you know, I just I want to

1336
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:51,880
see her try different things and
just be excited about racing and

1337
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:55,240
trying different things and, and
seeing what the outcome is. 

1338
01:18:56,480 --> 01:19:00,800
Because like we kind of all see 
what the promise is, I guess, 

1339
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:03,280
for her talent. 
And it's like, this is the NCAA.

1340
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:05,520
It's like this is all practice 
for for the bigger things down 

1341
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:08,400
the road. 
And I just want to see her kind 

1342
01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:12,440
of just add some tools to the 
toolbox and if it helps her win,

1343
01:19:12,440 --> 01:19:15,160
awesome. 
If it doesn't like, it's still 

1344
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:18,080
experience in the championship 
racing scenario. 

1345
01:19:20,480 --> 01:19:24,960
I was, I was looking at the 
comparison of what it the cut 

1346
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:29,560
off time was in 2026 versus 2025
and I was actually surprised 

1347
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,080
that there was a few events 
where it didn't necessarily 

1348
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:36,520
improve. 
Do we have any theory as to why 

1349
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:40,800
a couple of the events didn't 
necessarily improve and then the

1350
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:45,680
one that we did see improve 
quite a bit on both sides was 

1351
01:19:45,680 --> 01:19:49,200
the DMR? 
I mean 919 and 1047 like I 

1352
01:19:49,200 --> 01:19:51,960
remember when those were, you 
know. 

1353
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:57,920
Like record record. 
Like like completely unheard of,

1354
01:19:58,240 --> 01:20:03,360
unfathomable like, and now the 
DMR is just completely leveled 

1355
01:20:03,360 --> 01:20:06,720
up, but not every single event. 
Made a huge leap forward this 

1356
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:07,760
year. 
Any theories? 

1357
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:12,400
It used to be it used to be run 
93929 and you were like, oh, we 

1358
01:20:12,400 --> 01:20:14,720
we're in like you're we're top 
five. 

1359
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:16,920
No problem at all. 
Kyle has a different experience 

1360
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:21,000
about trying to qualify for DMR.
But then I generally did. 

1361
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:26,840
But but yeah, I, I mean, used to
like you'd run like, all right, 

1362
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:31,320
goals not run 920, run 9 someone
run, I don't know, 2:54. 

1363
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,440
We'd get a nice little like 147 
in. 

1364
01:20:33,480 --> 01:20:37,520
You get like your 5th best 400m 
runner to run a 46 high. 

1365
01:20:38,120 --> 01:20:42,960
And then you run, you know, 358 
all out, coming, coming home. 

1366
01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:44,520
And you're like, all right, 
we're good. 

1367
01:20:45,000 --> 01:20:49,520
Like we made into the blaze in 
the DMR. Yeah, it's not like 

1368
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,920
that anymore. 
People are just so fast and 

1369
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:57,840
theories on why everyone is so 
good now I getting all the way 

1370
01:20:57,840 --> 01:21:02,720
to 917 and on the women's side, 
what it is now, I don't know. 

1371
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:06,320
It just seems like the the 
bottom line is just so much 

1372
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:10,840
higher than it used to be. 
Like number 10 on your team now 

1373
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,840
is just way faster than what 
number 10 on your team back in 

1374
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,440
the day used to be like, used to
be like your top dogs were the 

1375
01:21:16,440 --> 01:21:18,480
ones that you relied on to get 
through everything. 

1376
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,280
And now it's like, oh, we can 
rely on like our third best 

1377
01:21:21,280 --> 01:21:27,440
person to, to like get us there.
But I don't, I don't know, it's 

1378
01:21:27,440 --> 01:21:29,960
just so fast now. 
Yeah, I think it was just, it's 

1379
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:34,320
a byproduct of the fact that the
schools that the Power 5 

1380
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:39,480
conferences like the the, the 
bigger schools got better and 

1381
01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:43,840
the depth is there for people to
stack those DMR squads. 

1382
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:48,880
Kyle, when you asked about the 
the events that didn't improve. 

1383
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:53,200
So on the men's side, it was the
mile 3K5K that were faster in 

1384
01:21:53,200 --> 01:22:00,160
2025 versus 2026. 
It's no Ethan Strand, like he 

1385
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:03,040
was one of the people who 
brought the The Times down in 

1386
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:06,080
those events. 
Yeah, but that's the, it's the 

1387
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:09,000
16th guy, so it's just one 
place. 

1388
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:14,560
Yeah, I don't think necessarily 
the if you added him back in, 

1389
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,320
then the 16th time would would 
have been faster, right? 

1390
01:22:17,960 --> 01:22:20,320
One guy makes that difference. 
There some of them are pretty 

1391
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:27,040
close. 
I think 354.35 in 2026 the. 

1392
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:30,120
Shoes are getting worse, Chris. 
No one's talking about it. 

1393
01:22:30,880 --> 01:22:34,000
The Super Shoe era is over. 
It, I think it's also just kind 

1394
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:39,040
of just the ebbs and flows of, 
of where the seasoned leaders 

1395
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:42,680
are at what points in the 
season, I think. 

1396
01:22:42,680 --> 01:22:45,280
And that's kind of like it's 
like whoever puts up their shot 

1397
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:48,360
first, like in that in those 
first couple weeks and it's 

1398
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,640
like, oh, shoot, like that's 
kind of that's going to be the 

1399
01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:52,600
standard for this year. 
That's kind of where everyone 

1400
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,560
starts aiming and just like 
you're, you're going to get the 

1401
01:22:55,560 --> 01:22:59,080
variations year to year. 
I think since we've kind of, I 

1402
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:03,360
will say flattened out a little 
bit on shoe tech and I'll say 

1403
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:09,840
like training advancements and 
like bicarb is readily available

1404
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:11,880
to everyone, like everyone's 
kind of doing the same thing 

1405
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:16,440
again. 
So there's not like any secrets 

1406
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:21,840
at this point that you're going 
to get, I guess just some some 

1407
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:24,960
years where quote UN quote down 
years, even though they're still

1408
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:28,000
fast as hell. 
All right, so I was going to say

1409
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,120
we got a lot of. 
Snow that's not too. 

1410
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:34,480
It was a very cold winter in the
Northeast. 

1411
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:39,240
Huge impact on performance and 
the ability to train hard. 

1412
01:23:39,560 --> 01:23:42,480
They're running in high school 
hallways all all season. 

1413
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:48,680
All right, so that's Friday and 
Saturday taking place out in 

1414
01:23:48,680 --> 01:23:52,400
Fayetteville. 
Sunday is the NYC half. 

1415
01:23:53,080 --> 01:23:55,280
Not too too much to preview in 
this one. 

1416
01:23:55,280 --> 01:23:59,640
I think biggest storyline on the
men's side is how fast is Grant 

1417
01:23:59,640 --> 01:24:03,600
Fisher going to go? 
Again, this is not a record 

1418
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:08,480
eligible course, but he is 
probably destined to run 

1419
01:24:08,480 --> 01:24:11,240
something really fast 'cause 
Conor Mance ran faster than his 

1420
01:24:11,240 --> 01:24:16,360
own American record at this race
last year. 5915 I believe is 

1421
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:20,800
what Conor ran. 
So could we see Grant flirt with

1422
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,560
sub 59? 
I don't necessarily think that 

1423
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:29,480
that that's too crazy when you 
also process the fact that he's 

1424
01:24:29,480 --> 01:24:33,600
been on the track racing the 
likes of Yomi Kajelcha, Jacobi 

1425
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:37,160
Palimo, either keeping up or 
beating them in many races. 

1426
01:24:37,160 --> 01:24:41,800
Like, yeah, it wouldn't shock me
if Grant is a 58 guy on his 

1427
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:43,800
first try, but this is his first
try. 

1428
01:24:43,800 --> 01:24:47,360
So we'll see how that goes. 
And then on the women's side, 

1429
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:50,480
you got a classic Helen O'Leary 
versus Sharon Lakeetti battle, 

1430
01:24:50,480 --> 01:24:55,400
two people who have won this 
race multiple times before, so 

1431
01:24:55,960 --> 01:24:58,400
watch for that. 
Lot of people getting ready for 

1432
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:04,000
Boston, tuning up for their 
spring marathons. 

1433
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:09,280
So that's the NYC half. 
Kyle will be around for that 

1434
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,320
race. 
Mac and I will be heading up to 

1435
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:14,120
Boston for New Balance 
Nationals. 

1436
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:18,400
You're five of our partnership 
with New Balance, so tons of 

1437
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:22,160
coverage coming from that. 
Yeah. 

1438
01:25:22,200 --> 01:25:25,920
And that's that. 
So I think loaded track and 

1439
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:31,720
running weekend up ahead. 
We'll be back next week to recap

1440
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:34,960
all these results. 
This one was a was a long one 

1441
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:38,800
that veered in so many different
directions like the like the 

1442
01:25:38,800 --> 01:25:44,800
lead car of 1/2 marathon. 
And so we, yeah, bad one. 

1443
01:25:46,680 --> 01:25:48,400
Yeah. 
Well, well, actually that's the 

1444
01:25:48,440 --> 01:25:51,440
thing to watch at the NYC half 
this weekend is will there be 

1445
01:25:51,440 --> 01:25:53,880
any lead car controversy with 
that one? 

1446
01:25:54,560 --> 01:25:57,760
Can we get, can we get Lewis 
Hamilton or, you know, Jeff 

1447
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:00,280
Gordon or someone in one of 
these cars? 

1448
01:26:00,600 --> 01:26:03,520
Come on. 
Yeah, just 'cause they drive 

1449
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:05,520
fast, does that mean they know 
where they're going? 

1450
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:07,720
I'm kind of, you know, the. 
Jeff Gordon, It's like, what do 

1451
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:09,080
you do? 
You go around. 

1452
01:26:09,160 --> 01:26:11,520
Well, they, they always do, I 
guess with the Formula One guys,

1453
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:13,560
they're always like they 
blindfold them and they're like 

1454
01:26:13,800 --> 01:26:15,960
they do something with them and 
they're like, what track is 

1455
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:17,720
this? 
And they can tell you like just 

1456
01:26:17,720 --> 01:26:20,600
off a sound. 
You need someone who really 

1457
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:22,920
knows like New York City 
streets. 

1458
01:26:23,240 --> 01:26:28,720
Like a taxi driver. 
Mamun like the the Uber eats 

1459
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:31,320
delivery driver who like 
everyone in the city gets like 

1460
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:35,400
he's he's just like one of the 
most famous Uber eats seamless 

1461
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:39,040
Grubhub like delivery drivers in
in the whole city like put that 

1462
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:42,320
guy in the lead car they'll. 
Or like I said in the group 

1463
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:45,760
chat, we the Waymos are going to
start taking their jobs if they 

1464
01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:49,360
if they keep messing up. 
How much do you think it would 

1465
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:53,320
cost to to do a horse and 
carriage ride the length of the 

1466
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:55,920
New York City Half Marathon? 
The morning, huh? 

1467
01:26:57,440 --> 01:27:00,080
Yeah, like, you know, like the 
guys who just obviously scam 

1468
01:27:00,080 --> 01:27:03,160
everyone, probably. 
How much would it cost if you 

1469
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:04,600
just got in? 
You're like, hey, I want to do 

1470
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,600
13.1 miles. 
Well, considering that it's like

1471
01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:12,440
20 bucks a block to be a very 
very expensive. 

1472
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:15,320
Horse and considering and 
considering the backlash that 

1473
01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:17,800
you would get online, it's 
probably pretty expensive. 

1474
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:25,320
It's just Kyle waving the whole 
entire course on a on a horse 

1475
01:27:25,320 --> 01:27:28,120
carriage, all right? 
Anyway, we've we've taken way 

1476
01:27:28,120 --> 01:27:32,560
too many tangents on this one. 
We'll see you guys next time. 

1477
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:37,280
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1478
01:27:37,480 --> 01:27:40,240
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1479
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:42,960
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1480
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1481
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:49,360
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1482
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