1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,000 This episode of the City Smack podcast is presented by USA 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,720 Track and Field. All right, if you love speed, 3 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:11,360 power, and championship moments, lock in right now. 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,800 The USATF Indoor Track and Field Championships presented by 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,000 Prevagen are back in New York City from February 28th through 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,280 March 1st at the Ocean Breeze Athletic Complex in Staten 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,480 Island. This is where legends don't just 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,760 race, they punch their ticket to the world stage. 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,800 The pressure's reel. The margins are razor and every 10 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:35,240 athlete is fighting for one thing, a spot on Team USATF at 11 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:38,400 the World Indoor Championships. The star power? 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:40,600 Unreal. 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USATF proud sponsor of the City 30 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:50,640 of Smag podcast leading into USAS. 31 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:55,720 And so we're going to get into it and preview all of the track 32 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:57,400 action that is going to be taking place. 33 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,080 And so there is a team to make for the World Indoor 34 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:04,240 Championships. So the top 2 in each event who 35 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:09,120 meet the qualifying criteria, whether it's through the top 36 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,800 list or if they've hit the standard, will go to Poland for 37 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:16,760 the World Indoor Championships in just a couple weeks. 38 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,000 And the US has fared pretty well there over the last couple 39 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,080 years. And so this is another 40 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,280 opportunity for people to make a team and bring home some medals. 41 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:28,280 Do you? I guess it will start with the 42 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,000 fact, Kyle, do you feel like World Indoors is getting the 43 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:32,920 hype that it deserves for this year? 44 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,040 Well, Chris, before we even jump into that, I think you ignored 45 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,360 the fact that our Sidious 10 discount code also includes a 46 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,200 free ride on the Staten Island Ferry. 47 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:44,760 It's true, but. Enough of that. 48 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:47,760 No, you know what, I think in Poland, they're really hyped 49 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,320 collectively. I think now that the start lists 50 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,720 have finally come out in the US, we can start getting hyped 51 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,560 because it's, I mean, now we know who is in contention and we 52 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,720 have an idea of what this team might look like and what they 53 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:06,000 can do. the US has dominated the indoor season in terms of 54 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:11,200 headlines, which is not uncommon cuz we care about it a lot. 55 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:14,520 And it looks like we've got a decent potential field. 56 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:16,960 And so let's get them hyped. Yeah. 57 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:18,840 All right. So we're gonna take this by 58 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:23,040 going through the track final starting on Saturday in order of 59 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,400 each event. So the first final that will be 60 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:32,880 contested on the track will be the women's 3K at 1:44 PM 61 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,400 Eastern Time. And this one, it's a straight 62 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:42,840 final. 16 athletes, including the likes of Ellie Saint Pierre, 63 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,920 Elise Cranny, Emily Mackay, Caitlin Toohey. 64 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:51,400 The headliner in this one, of course, is Ellie Saint Pierre 65 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:56,760 and former world champion from 2024, looking to get back to the 66 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:01,160 world stage just less than a year from having her second 67 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:02,440 baby. Clear favorite. 68 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:05,440 I think unanimously is what we're thinking here. 69 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,200 The intrigue is just sort of like, well, who can push Ellie 70 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,440 in this race? And it could be Emily Mackay, 71 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:16,880 former training partner. But I think most curious of all, 72 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,640 we want to see, I guess sort of like how Elise Cranny fares 73 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,400 after her first big training block with the M11 Track Club 74 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,320 and her first US Indoor Championship in a while. 75 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,720 I guess we'll go to to to Kyle. What are you looking out for in 76 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:34,840 this race? Yeah, I think you kind of said 77 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:36,720 it. What are we going to get out of 78 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:39,680 Elise Cranny? I think that having her in this 79 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:44,840 race keeps it honest because we do know that she's got great 80 00:04:44,840 --> 00:04:47,120 speed. Obviously Ellie does too, but 81 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,240 it's something that you can't just completely ignore. 82 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:50,760 Especially with Emily Mackay as well. 83 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,920 I think there's an element of like, how fast will they go? 84 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,240 I know Max excited that there's no rabbits, there's no pace 85 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:58,440 lights. We're just actually going to 86 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,280 race. And if you actually just like 87 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:03,640 racing, Ellie is a good one to have on the line. 88 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,640 So I think that we're probably going to see like a long wind 89 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:08,920 up. I doubt from the very start 90 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,360 she's going to go out and try to run 820, but this is going to be 91 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,160 an honest race and I think that it's going to be a matter of who 92 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:18,960 can hold on well enough. So we highlighted a clear top 93 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,120 three of Ellie, Elise, Emily Mack. 94 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:26,440 Do you have a underrated dark horse that you're looking at in 95 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:28,840 this field? I don't know about an underrated 96 00:05:28,840 --> 00:05:33,400 dark horse because it's it seems like the top couple are just so 97 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:35,600 separated from the rest of the field, at least in my mind. 98 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:41,800 And especially looking at this season, Ellie is kind of on a 99 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:46,600 tear for her even, even even though she's just back so 100 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,480 quickly here. Like she's only raced a couple 101 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:49,920 times. And you know, obviously we 102 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,240 didn't see her race last outdoor season, but like 2 years ago 103 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:58,000 when she won a world medal, like she seems to be kind of on the 104 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:01,200 same path as then, right? Like when she won her gold medal 105 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:06,920 indoors, she was just a a year, like, right, a year after having 106 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,040 her first kid. So we're kind of on that same 107 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,800 timeline. So I'm like Kyle, I'm kind of 108 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,960 predicting kind of a slow wind up. 109 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:24,800 And I think that benefits both Emily McKay and and Cranny, 110 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,080 right? Like, 'cause they don't they, we 111 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,720 just don't think that they have the, the same strength as Ellie. 112 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,880 So yeah, it's, it'll be fun over the last, you know, K. 113 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,560 But I think this is going to be Ellie pulling away a dark horse. 114 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,600 I don't see a dark horse breaking into that top three. 115 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,640 Who's going to play second? I don't, I don't know. 116 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:43,680 I don't know, Kyle. Kyle, do you feel any 117 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,520 differently? I mean, break into that top 118 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,680 three seems like it's going to be borderline impossible. 119 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:54,240 I mean, Margo Appleton ran 422 earlier in the season, looked 120 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,840 quite good. Kaylee Delay had a good one in 121 00:06:56,840 --> 00:07:00,000 JDL, but still like it seems like there may be a little bit 122 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:03,160 of separation there. I might float Lexi Halladay 123 00:07:03,160 --> 00:07:06,480 Lowry as like the person who could breakthrough Preet You're 124 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:09,640 nodding her head because if you remove Doris Lemingold hand 125 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:13,840 Nuttall Jane Hennigren from that Miller rose games 3K, she was 126 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,280 the top person there and she. Beat you, get rid of everybody, 127 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,720 then someone else wins. She beat. 128 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:21,920 She did beat Lauren Ryan and Azomi Tanaka, Who World 129 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,040 Championship finalists? Preet, are you in agreement with 130 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:26,760 this one? Yeah, she, she's run 838 and at 131 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:30,160 least Cranny's only run 837 and it was a similar kind of kind of 132 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,320 race from her. So I, I don't, no, we know Elise 133 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,840 Cranny's been more focused on the 15 and, and the short 134 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,840 distance training so that there is a bit of that as well. 135 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:42,760 So we don't really know. She didn't look like she had 136 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,520 that kick in the, in the 3K that she did run that Elise ran. 137 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:52,520 So I think she's maybe the one that is vulnerable here of that 138 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:55,800 top three, because I don't think we 100% know what we're gonna 139 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,320 get, which I think does leave the door open for someone like 140 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,680 Alexi Halliday to kind of have a breakout performance. 141 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:08,160 And I will say that all three, Elise Cranny, Emily McKay and 142 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,200 Ellie Saint Pierre are set to double back in the 15. 143 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,080 So I mean, what can you make from that? 144 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,920 I mean, a lot of times they just enter the second event as a 145 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,560 safety net and you're like just not really sure who's going to 146 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,400 full send the 3K. But I would say all three of 147 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,600 them, because they're entered in the 3K are going to full send 148 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,560 the the three. No one's entered in the three to 149 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:34,039 kind of like half effort when with a full like a full sort of 150 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:38,799 like bull's eye on the 15. So you're going to get 151 00:08:38,799 --> 00:08:40,880 everyone's best effort in this in this 3000. 152 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:48,120 I'm so I guess puzzled by the schedule for the meet to go and 153 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,200 put the women's 800 and the 15 at the same exact on the same 154 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,560 exact day. I feel like in the past they've 155 00:08:55,560 --> 00:09:00,000 probably been split up before to allow the opportunity to double. 156 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,680 But this that we've really compressed the schedule to two 157 00:09:02,680 --> 00:09:04,240 days. And so you got to pick and 158 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,000 choose. And I think I saw is Heather 159 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,040 McClain entered in just the 800 and not the 15 I think is what I 160 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:11,840 saw. She's entered in both, I think. 161 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:13,160 She's entered in both. OK. 162 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:14,760 Well, that's going to be a tough double. 163 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,960 To yeah, or maybe she'll do the maybe she just wanted to run 2 164 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,520 rounds, so she's maybe going to do the round at first round of 165 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:22,000 the 800. And those heats are tough for 166 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:23,680 the 800 to be fair when we get to them. 167 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:25,960 That's right, actually. Yeah, plan. 168 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:29,360 I did see that that that it's heats because I guess I was just 169 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,400 focusing on the pink text on our schedule graphic to see to focus 170 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:36,360 on the finals. So that brings us to the next 171 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:42,240 track final on day one, which is the men's 3K16 man field and 172 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:46,000 there's some good hype around this one because it's very top 173 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:49,160 heavy. I would say the marquee match up 174 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:53,280 there is he got Cole Hawker versus Nico young for the first 175 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:58,560 time this indoor season. Cole coming off of that 345 176 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:04,000 American record, Nico coming off of the 3K victory on that same 177 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,600 track where he out kicked yard Negoos, who's also in this 178 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,320 field. You've got Ethan strand in it 179 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:12,480 and then you've also got Cooper tier. 180 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,160 I would say that that's your I think it might be the big 5. 181 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,320 There's this clear separation between then the next level, 182 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,920 which would be like the Sam Gillman Morgan Beetlescomb, who 183 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:25,360 could be our dark horses. But let's let's breakdown Cole 184 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:27,840 versus Nico. We talked about it a little bit 185 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:32,360 on our previous episode as to like, what is Nico's strategy to 186 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,040 try and beat Cole and what does Cole have to do? 187 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,720 Because if he let him take control of the race, then he's 188 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:43,120 we've seen what happens there at the US championships, in the 5K 189 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,960 and at the World Championships. So we'll go to Kyle. 190 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,720 If you're Nico Young devised the race plan, what do you have to 191 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,920 do to beat Cole? You got to find a way to get 192 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:55,360 Cole DQ D again. You just got to, you got to box 193 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,640 them in and do something. I mean, it's tough. 194 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,400 I mean, honestly, I think you can't like Cole, control it. 195 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,960 We've seen that's how he wins championships constantly now as 196 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,480 he runs exactly his pace and everyone lets him do it. 197 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:11,680 So if I'm Nico, I am gonna try to wind up from further out. 198 00:11:11,680 --> 00:11:15,040 I'm gonna try to be difficult to pass and use those turns hoping 199 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:16,880 that someone else helps. Hope. 200 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,480 Like if you're Nico, you want a lot of bodies there. 201 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,800 You know, I mean, we picked him at the earlier in the season. 202 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,560 Ethan Strand. Can he bounce back here after 203 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:31,600 our disappointing dark horse picks at Melrose and mix it up? 204 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:35,240 It's just you want a lot of guys in it. 205 00:11:35,560 --> 00:11:39,440 And honestly, it it might get messy if this thing doesn't get 206 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,800 going because there's five guys, as you said, but then there are 207 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,480 a whole another segment of guys who think that they belong. 208 00:11:46,680 --> 00:11:50,080 And I think he could get going really fast here because they're 209 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,600 just going to be picking for positions. 210 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:56,440 Mac, what's a safe distance to try and draw the kick out of 211 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,560 Cole if you're Nico and you're going to go early? 212 00:11:59,880 --> 00:12:04,480 I don't know if this is Nico versus Cole so much as it's Nico 213 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:06,720 trying to race yard for that second spot. 214 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,400 I don't like, no, I'm serious. Like if you're trying to make 215 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,640 the team, like if you're trying to make the World Team, you 216 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,160 obviously have to be aware of what Cole is doing, But I think 217 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,960 he's he is just so separated from everyone else right now, in 218 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,040 my opinion, that it's it's not necessarily about how do I win 219 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:24,480 this race. It's how do I make the team. 220 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,640 And I think how do I make the team is if I'm Nico, it's how do 221 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:31,640 I beat yard? And that presents AI think a 222 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:36,040 different set of like problems than how do I beat Cole? 223 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,320 Because I think trying to beat Cole could could for in Nico's 224 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:44,720 case leave you off the team. I think it's mainly just for 225 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:49,600 Nico's case is can he sit on yard and out kick him? 226 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,040 And I think in this situation, I think he absolutely can. 227 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,680 Because the thing we saw in North Carolina was that that 228 00:12:56,680 --> 00:13:00,680 Nico finished that race with the craziest final 200 of the whole 229 00:13:00,680 --> 00:13:03,080 entire field. What was it, 26 or something 230 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:04,880 like that? It was something very, very 231 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:08,120 quick. It's you got to jump on someone 232 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:13,240 like Yard who also has a very fast close in reviewing just 233 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:17,000 sort of the 3K race in North Carolina. 234 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:21,440 If you're Yard, what did you do wrong in that one that you want 235 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:23,360 to try and correct this time around Mac? 236 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,880 I, I, I get the hype around people finishing quickly, but 237 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:31,880 also if Cole were to have run slower over the 1st 7 laps, he 238 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,320 would have closed faster over the final 200. 239 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,880 Or you know, like it, it. Nico needs to kind of like put 240 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,520 himself out there a little bit more, I think early in the race 241 00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:44,240 in order for him to have a shot at making the team. 242 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,000 But also this isn't going to be some record setting attempt. 243 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:49,920 So he is going to be up in front yard's kind of an interesting 244 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,080 case because he had about two years there where he could just 245 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:55,200 like outlast everyone and pull from however far he wanted. 246 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,160 And he could beat most Americans every single time out. 247 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,200 And everyone's kind of gotten to that level now in terms of just 248 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:02,680 like pure speed and pure strength. 249 00:14:02,680 --> 00:14:05,960 So he's kind of left with like, what else can he do? 250 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,680 And I think that he just kind of needs to work on just like just 251 00:14:09,680 --> 00:14:14,400 that fine tuning on on squeezing over the final 600 meters 252 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,360 compared to his competitors. And it's just, it's the hardest 253 00:14:18,360 --> 00:14:20,480 thing in the world. But it's just a different set of 254 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:23,680 tools that he has to work on in these championship races in 255 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:25,640 order to make these teams because you can't just you can't 256 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:27,000 just run away from people anymore. 257 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:31,640 So I, I think it's just about managing your effort over those 258 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,040 final. You know, it's into our SO 259 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:39,080 final, you know, lap 2 laps, 3 laps in order to just hold on to 260 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:40,720 your position because he will be up there. 261 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,320 He's never coming from like 5th place. 262 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,480 He's never going to do that. So he's always going to be in 263 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,480 first, second or third, and it's just going to be about how can 264 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:49,960 he manage that and hold people off? 265 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,560 I think an important question and I'm going to throw it over 266 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:55,600 to Pre. Are you more impressed by Yard's 267 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,440 performance at JDL than you were compared to Milrose? 268 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,040 Like, is he on the right trajectory right now where after 269 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:07,760 two more weeks, maybe we are seeing, you know, the medalist 270 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:11,200 version of yard as opposed to, you know, not necessarily 271 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,120 winning Mil rose for the first time in forever? 272 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,080 Yeah, I mean, I think he said he did get sick after Mil Rose as 273 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:20,160 well. So he he he kind of at least 274 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:23,400 says, you know, he should be on the right track to to be 275 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:26,000 improving. And I think the other thing is 276 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,040 that he has been coming out too hot and he sort of peered out a 277 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:30,400 little bit as the season's gone on. 278 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,800 So this might be a good kind of a different approach for him, 279 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:39,600 which which might might save him in good stead for, for, for kind 280 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,200 of coming into USA indoors and then on to world indoors. 281 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,000 And the other thing I was kind of thinking about was obviously 282 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,240 Nico Young has a couple of training partners in this race. 283 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,800 He's got Drew Bosley, he's got Ethan Strand. 284 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:57,120 And then obviously Cooper and Cole are also training partners, 285 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:58,600 but they don't tend to work together in races. 286 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,800 But I do wonder whether someone like a Drew Bosley might be 287 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:05,520 given some sort of task of of taking the race out of the way 288 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:11,560 Nico and and Ethan wanted to be. I just watched the Brad Pitt F1 289 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:16,080 movie on the plane and I got a lot of good ideas off of that. 290 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,880 I think if if one teammate is willing to really just like 291 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:24,840 throw their body down and let the other run away with it, we 292 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:26,280 might get some flags on the play. 293 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,440 But like, it's a final, you just got to let it go. 294 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:32,360 We're not seeing enough creativity out of Swoosh TC yet, 295 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:33,760 and that's what I'd like to see here. 296 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,320 I want to see a real team. This is their opportunity to 297 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:40,000 start branding themselves as the most creative, reckless team on 298 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,600 the market right now and get some fans. 299 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:48,520 I will say Cole has shown that he is not passing an inside 300 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:50,280 move. He made one at Melrose. 301 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,640 So that's not off the table anymore. 302 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,680 Like, you know, for us watching from the outside, we're like, 303 00:16:56,680 --> 00:16:58,720 dude, you are so good. You don't have to do that 304 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,680 anymore. But he still feels like it's a, 305 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,920 it's a valuable tool in the toolbox, I guess. 306 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:09,000 So, you know, Kyle, I think it's, it's certainly possible. 307 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,400 I guess when was the last time we saw something Like I said, 308 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:16,960 USA Indoors was there. There was the year 2019, I think 309 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:21,119 it was, right, With the Tin Man Elite helping Pace Drew to the 310 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,960 win. And then even before that, it 311 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:31,200 was the Bowerman guys trying to get it up on Galen in 2014, I 312 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:32,440 think it may have also have been. 313 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,040 And then that led to just the Jerry Alberto altercation at the 314 00:17:36,360 --> 00:17:39,040 hotel in Albuquerque, I believe it was. 315 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:44,440 And so this event has not has a history of just sort of team 316 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,560 tactics coming into play. So Swoosh TC, this is your 317 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,160 moment. Kind of crazy at like these 318 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:56,000 races they're on, they're on usatf.tv, they're not. 319 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,400 I guess the TV window is going to cover Saturday's races. 320 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,920 So a reminder to folks, you're going to need to re up on your 321 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:08,440 usatf.tv subscription on Friday to be able to watch these races. 322 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,160 One other question over under number of laps about Wilkinson 323 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:15,040 leads. Oh. 324 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:18,320 Because he does love the front so. 325 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,560 Or is it Morgan who's who's leading the most laps? 326 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,400 Well, it's it's if you ask Preet. 327 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:29,960 Preet saying Drew Bosley. Cole leads the most laps, but 328 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:34,080 behind Cole, yeah, I I like your Wilkinson, OK. 329 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:39,760 He ran well at JDL. All right, over under 6 1/2 330 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:44,160 laps, yeah. 4 1/2 laps is my over under. 331 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,960 OK, 4 1/2 laps for Matt Wilkinson is the over under. 332 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:50,840 Hit us in the Spotify comments section if you're smashing the 333 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:57,760 over under on Matt Wilkinson 4 1/2 laps during the men's 3K All 334 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:02,400 right, then we go over to the women's 60 meter hurdles. 335 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,840 I was looking at this at the start list on this thing and I 336 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,240 think there's just some depth that's missing just sort of from 337 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:16,040 the United States in a couple of these events, like especially 338 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:21,560 women's 100 hurdles outdoors. This is America's number one 339 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,080 event. And then it's not necessarily 340 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,640 translating this indoor season, but you do have Christina 341 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,800 Clemens coming back after making the team last year or two years 342 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,040 ago. I believe Anna Hall's in this 343 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:40,760 one, Gabby Cunningham, who was on the Olympic team back in 344 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:45,800 2020, Alicia Johnson in the other one, and then Cassie 345 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:50,400 Hopkins, all at high school, college college runner, I think. 346 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:53,680 Yeah, this one's, this one's a bit tough. 347 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:55,040 Preet. What are you looking out for in 348 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,440 this one? Yeah, I I wouldn't be like 349 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,040 Alicia Johnson has been out there panning the European 350 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,920 circuit but hasn't really been winning races like she was in 351 00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:10,400 previous years so. That I, I don't know, I mean, I, 352 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,640 I wouldn't be surprised if Anna Hall kind of sneaks it sneaks a 353 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:14,720 win. I mean, no, I, I don't think 354 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:17,600 Anna will win. But but I the, the depth here, 355 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,400 Christina Clemens is someone, you know, you got to love her 356 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,840 Doritos sponsorship. But that's right. 357 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:26,720 I don't know whether she's still got it, but. 358 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:29,160 But that's always the, the fun part there. 359 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,560 But yeah, I don't think there's, there's, yeah, there's 360 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,040 definitely not as much depth here. 361 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:37,160 And and we're missing like Grey Stark obviously probably was 362 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,000 going to run this thing, but but got a little bit injured. 363 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:45,960 And I think yes, we don't have the likes of a Kenny Harrison or 364 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,200 Messiah Russell, obviously Messiah Russell, obviously. 365 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,960 But yeah, there's a whole bunch of people that that we're not 366 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,560 seeing here. What did you make of Messiah 367 00:20:54,560 --> 00:20:57,920 Russell's TikTok where she said like, if you're in my event, I 368 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,520 hate you essentially unless you're my teammate or unless 369 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:02,640 you're my training partner. There was a, there's a couple 370 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:07,320 like fine print exemptions, but overall the thing that she 371 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:10,560 blasted was like, yeah, no, there's no friends in track and 372 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,720 field, in, in in your same event in track and field, Kyle, you, 373 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,600 you you're like, this is ripe for some, some lap count 374 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,960 material. I mean, cosigned by Marco Lane 375 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,240 and like, this is the energy we need. 376 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,680 You shouldn't like everyone. I think that's good. 377 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:30,320 I mean, I don't know where everyone is this meet, but I 378 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,640 think Messiah is right. It's it's the good mindset to 379 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:34,840 have. That's why she's the Olympic 380 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:38,720 champ. All right, men, 60 hurdles also 381 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,160 taking place on day one to better field. 382 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,320 Yeah, you do have Daniel Roberts, you've got Trey 383 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,000 Cunningham, you've got let's see who else is here. 384 00:21:49,120 --> 00:21:51,440 Jamal Britt, who's been on the European circuit. 385 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,840 This one. I think Trey Cunningham's on a 386 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:59,120 on a absolute heater right now. He's the he's the man to watch 387 00:21:59,120 --> 00:22:05,480 right now and I think that he obviously had unfinished 388 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,160 business last year, not making the world championship team. 389 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,080 His world ranking is actually very, very impressive 390 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,520 considering the fact that he doesn't have any points from 391 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,600 worlds. And so watch for him much later 392 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,720 on in the season at the World Ultimate Championships. 393 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:24,440 But for now, I mean, this is just he'll get to add hopefully 394 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,680 a second medal to his collection pre. 395 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,920 What have you made of Trey's season so far? 396 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:33,080 Yeah, no, I mean, obviously he took that win in. 397 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:37,600 Was it morose or a New Balance? But New Balance, Yeah, New 398 00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:38,600 Balance, yeah. So he. 399 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:39,800 Yeah. So he took the win there. 400 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,480 And yeah, I mean that that's all you can do is, is go out there 401 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,160 and win. Daniel Roberts, by contrast, not 402 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,440 been having the best of seasons. Jamal Britt's been doing doing 403 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,440 decently well on that on the European circuit. 404 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,920 So I think he's probably my pick for the second member of Team 405 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:56,840 USA we have. But. 406 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,320 Dylan Beard's in it too. Jill and Beard's in it too, but 407 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,120 he's he's obviously the Melrose match and and he didn't didn't 408 00:23:02,120 --> 00:23:03,360 quite come off for him this year. 409 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:09,200 So maybe not not quite in the form of of previous years, but 410 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,840 I'm. Going to give a nod to Johnny 411 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,320 Bracken's though. He's been super consistent. 412 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,520 He had a banger earlier in the season. 413 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,840 I feel like it's Trey Cunningham's race to lose right 414 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,960 now and I'm I'm looking ahead towards Poland and the world 415 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,800 Indoor Championships because Jacob Szymanski, like he that is 416 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:35,160 his home me that is like that is one of the most exciting races 417 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:36,600 at the world indoor Championships. 418 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,480 And so our team here, it's like, all right, who's going to go 419 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,440 after and upset him on home soil? 420 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:46,520 Yeah, cuz Trey is currently the world leader at 7.37 from that 421 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,600 meet out in Clemson. And then Jacob Szymanski is 422 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:55,200 number 27.43. Yeah, the Europeans are having a 423 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,560 strong year. Enrique Lupus. 424 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:00,400 Yeah. Then you got some guy from 425 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,920 France also in the top three. So what are you laughing at? 426 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,160 I saw the name on the top list and I was like, all right, I'm 427 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:09,600 not even going to take a stab at this. 428 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,240 So, yeah. All right, that is the men's 60 429 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,840 hurdles. Those are the track finals for 430 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,440 day one. Let's move on over to Day 2, 431 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:24,680 where the 1st that track final is the Women's 800. 432 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:28,320 So the first heat is Heather McLean and Megan Hunter are 433 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:29,800 probably the names to look at the first heat. 434 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,640 Second heat, Victoria boss on stage out of collector Addie 435 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:38,000 Wiley. Third heat, Maggie Condon, Ali 436 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,840 Wilson, which you're not quite in in the form of prior season, 437 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,840 still coming back from injury. Valerie Tobias, who did make the 438 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,720 world indoor team last year, and heat for RJ Wilson, Olivia 439 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,320 Baker, Michaela Rose. The women's 800 fully showed up 440 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,360 and getting out of these heats, it feels like it with only the 441 00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,000 winner guaranteed out of each one. 442 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,560 I think we're going to see a lot of sub two-minute performances 443 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,080 right off the bat, which, you know, given these days, sub two 444 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,880 get to nothing, maybe not even indoor final at the US 445 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,320 Championships. Because in the first heat you've 446 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,480 got Megan Hunter who ran at really well at Doctor Sander and 447 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,280 got the win there against Heather McLean, who just ran an 448 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,440 800 PB in Boston. So watch for that match up. 449 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:27,040 Heat 2 is definitely interesting because you have Addie Wiley who 450 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,720 could probably who will try and maybe front run this thing going 451 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:34,520 up against Sage. But you've got Victoria Boss 452 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,720 song also having a really good year. 453 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,600 So that's three people for one winner's spot and then the next 454 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,840 two fastest. That'll be intriguing. 455 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:48,320 And then in heat three person who could probably, well, I if I 456 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,560 remember correctly last year, first round Valerie Tobias just 457 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,720 went out and just hammered the the heat. 458 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,320 So we could probably try and see something similar here. 459 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:04,120 Maggie Congdon much more of a kicker in these races, always in 460 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,440 in good position. So yeah, mechanic Keegan also 461 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:11,200 having quietly a very solid season as well. 462 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,920 So again, same problem that Heat 2 has. 463 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:19,120 And then Heat 4, they decided if you have any ties to New Jersey, 464 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:21,760 you're going to be in this one with Olivia Baker, Raji Wilson, 465 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,680 Paige Shepherd, which is I guess like that's the one for the home 466 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:30,800 hometown crowd. But yeah, never doubt Ajay in 467 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,160 the New York tri-state area because I guess I'm going to 468 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:38,240 expand her, her dominance that from the Armory over to Ocean 469 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,720 Breeze she's at she's run some good races there as well. 470 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,800 So who do we see making this team? 471 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,600 Well, First off, can we can we highlight that Rocheen is not 472 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:51,040 here? We, we were lobbying hard 473 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,840 earlier in the season hoping that maybe by some chance we'd 474 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,840 get her. She's not here, but I think 475 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,200 after JDL, Sage has got to be the favorite. 476 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,960 She looks good. She obviously had a fantastic 477 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,960 outdoor season. We were a little nervous after 478 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:09,200 the 2K at World Cross, but she's a she. 479 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:10,880 She knows how to race indoors well. 480 00:27:11,120 --> 00:27:13,600 And then the other name that I am, I've just been really 481 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,680 impressed by Megan Hunter. Yeah, I think she's just sent it 482 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,600 and has done really well. She's tough to get around when 483 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,880 she can control it from the front, as we saw at BU, and I 484 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:26,760 think it's her time to really get introduced to the 485 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:30,120 international stage. So I think those are the two 486 00:27:30,120 --> 00:27:34,920 names that stand out to me when I initially saw it, but I 487 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,440 wouldn't bet on it. Yeah, it's just so hard to to 488 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,400 predict what's going to happen in a final when you have 4 heats 489 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,320 that precede it, right? Like you just how the how the 490 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,600 final is going to be run is so dependent on who makes it 491 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,480 through and who looks like what in this prelim. 492 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:57,320 But I I like Kyle's Megan, you know, Megan Hunter, kind of 493 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,200 like, I don't want to call her a dark horse because she has been 494 00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,520 running so well. But among some of these other 495 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:03,240 names, yeah, you could consider her that. 496 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,280 I'm going to say, how does Addie Wiley not make this team? 497 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,120 But like, she just kind of finds a way to not make these teams. 498 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,600 Addie Wiley is the 12th fastest American this year, right And. 499 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,200 Yeah, it's like February. It is It is like February, but 500 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,800 she has I mean, she's her PBS are much better than a lot of 501 00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:27,720 the other women in this. So I do think it's I think if 502 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,000 we're going to like lock in anybody Sage Herde cluckers 1 to 503 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:33,440 lock in for the one of those top two spots in the final on 504 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,000 Sunday. This is it's really, really 505 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,080 hard. Let's go Tobias again. 506 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,240 Why not? I just, I think it's just such a 507 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:46,240 it's, it's such, it's really, really hard and it's going to be 508 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,880 a really, it's not going to be fast enough of a race to where 509 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:50,840 it's going to get stretched out. So I think it's be pretty 510 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,080 chaotic one through 8 in this final. 511 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:57,680 Valerie Tobias had a very quiet performance. 512 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:02,280 That or like a performance no one took notice of earlier this 513 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,880 month. But there was a meet at in New 514 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:11,520 Mexico where there was a 600 and Valerie Tobias won it in 1/24. 515 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,640 Not a whole like I think it may have been the same weekend as 516 00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,280 Melrose. And so kind of just went a 517 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:21,320 little bit under the radar. So Mac you you might have some. 518 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,640 I guess, well, I mean, I also could be swayed by like the last 519 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,680 piece of content I consumed before we hopped on this was her 520 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,160 sprinting like at one of their workouts. 521 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,440 I was like, all right, yeah, like she's healthy. 522 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,120 Yeah. It's it's just difficult. 523 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:40,080 Also the the Brooks team. Yeah, but the the Brooks team 524 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,640 also just doesn't race that often. 525 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,440 So it's kind of hard to gauge their fitness. 526 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:47,800 But like generally when they race, they're fit in that like 527 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:51,920 you can't like, like some other athletes can't be like, well, I 528 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,600 haven't seen four races out of them, so I can't like think that 529 00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:57,000 they're going to do well. Like the beasts under Danny 530 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:02,560 Mackie generally race pretty well coming in under raced quote 531 00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:06,040 UN quote. That it was the women's 800 532 00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:09,120 really, I guess, like, pay close attention to who makes it out of 533 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:14,760 that and it'll kind of determine how the final shakes out over in 534 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,480 the men's 800. We talked about this on our 535 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:21,280 podcast just a couple days ago, but this one feels like it's 536 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,440 Cooper Lockenhouse's race to lose without the likes of 537 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:28,160 Donovan Brazier, Bryce Hoppel, Josh Hoey. 538 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:36,120 So there are 4 heats. Cooper will go in the third one, 539 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,960 but the first one has Isaiah Jewett, who I think Kyle maybe 540 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,480 has highlighted in the past as a potential dark horse. 541 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,080 Isaiah Harris, who's made world indoor teams in the past, is in 542 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,680 heat 2. Heat 3, you've got Sean Dolan 543 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,280 who had that crazy anchor leg for Atlanta Track Club in there 544 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,800 4 by 8 also going up against Cooper. 545 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,960 And then in that final heat, Eric Holt dropping down to the 546 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,400 800 and Joe Wascom also entered in this one. 547 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:11,120 So some intrigue out of the 1500 guys testing themselves in the 548 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,840 in the doubling up with the 8 here. 549 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,840 But what intrigues you about this one, Kyle? 550 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,440 It's got to be tough to see that you drew Eric Holt in it indoor 551 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:24,320 800. Like I like you just have to be 552 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:28,200 so glad that World Athletics changed the rules and said that 553 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,640 you had to actually turn to figure things out. 554 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,240 I mean, I'm just interested to see how Cooper runs. 555 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,960 Like, I, I think he's gonna win. But like, how does he do it and 556 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,800 how does he handle that? This is now the first US indoor 557 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,600 championship where he is obviously under great pressure. 558 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,360 He's got his eyes set on world indoors, I'm sure. 559 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,120 So, you know, in order to get there, though, you have to be 560 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,640 the heavy favorite a couple times. 561 00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,320 Then the other guy that I'm like, just again, like this, for 562 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,040 some reason, this feels like a meet that Shane Cohen's going to 563 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:08,400 just show up and just like he, he got some confidence out of 564 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,080 JDL. And I just I I just see it like 565 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:15,480 this is whatever you think is going to happen on paper at the 566 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,920 world. the US endured championships is not what 567 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,000 happens. And if there is one race that 568 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,320 it's just going to be like, yeah, didn't see that one 569 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,080 coming. It's going to be the 800. 570 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,520 And so we're going to run through the names and we're 571 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,920 going to say the favorites of who we think, oh, it's going to 572 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,880 be, you know, the guys who've done it before, it's going to be 573 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,200 someone you've never even heard of. 574 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,000 And we're not going to talk about is going to come and get 575 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,360 that second spot. They're going to run like 148. 576 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,320 Like Cooper is going to go out in 50 points. 577 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,360 He's going to run 142 and then everyone else is going to be 578 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,280 like, ah, we're going to let them go. 579 00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:45,520 They're going to have a tactical race. 580 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:50,600 And some dude you've never heard of that is like from track club 581 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,760 in New Jersey that you've never heard of and like works part 582 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,040 time at a deli. He's now it. 583 00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,840 And like Shane Cohen, doesn't work out a deli, but he could. 584 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,320 Back you're you're cracking up there. 585 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,480 Sounds about right to you. Yeah, sounds about right. 586 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,000 It's just it's all about like, can Cooper kind of manage the 587 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,000 moment and like, can he just go out there and run by himself? 588 00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:15,600 Like, he's just gotta go out in front? 589 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,280 He's just fitter than everyone else right now, especially in 590 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:22,080 the US He's just gotta go out there, do his thing, go out in 591 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,440 50, hold on and just not think about anything else going on 592 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,720 behind him. And to Kyle's point, yeah, 593 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,560 they're gonna let him go. Like Isaiah's going to slot in 594 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:37,320 behind Cooper and just slow that thing up and just become three 595 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,720 lanes wide. Like it's just going to be one 596 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,840 of those races in the final trying to pick a second spot out 597 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,480 of this. Kyle, I'm I'm with you. 598 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,680 I don't, you know, like he like Kyle said, I'm with him. 599 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:54,120 Like AI want to pick Isaiah Harris kind of a a move. 600 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:55,880 Like he has that experience of making teams. 601 00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,480 I think he's healthy now, but also like why should you pick 602 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,960 him over a Shane Cohen? I I couldn't give you a self 603 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:09,000 visa right now. We can only send Cooper and 604 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,639 Isaiah Harris at the moment unless they run faster than 145 605 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:13,920 nine. Really. 606 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,840 Oh, OK, well, that there we go then. 607 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,400 They're not I. Don't think they're going 608 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:23,800 because of of the of the top 15 fastest Americans this season, 609 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:30,600 there are only 5 entered of the top 15 Americans in 2026 and of 610 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:34,199 the ones that are qualified, there are seven Americans 611 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:40,600 qualified for while indoors. And of those, the only ones that 612 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,120 are in this field are Coupola Knouse and Isaiah Harris. 613 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,880 So I see it just has to make the final. 614 00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,000 Basically. Yeah, but 145 nine is 615 00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:54,320 attainable, especially for a guy like Billy Hill, former Rutgers 616 00:34:54,800 --> 00:35:00,040 Guardian State Track Club. Definitely it gets a pork roll, 617 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,120 egg and cheese most Saturday mornings. 618 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,600 A guy like that, he's going to run 145 eight, he's going to 619 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,960 qualify and it's going to be big news and jurors. 620 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,640 OK, so what's OK? So for Isaiah Harris, what's the 621 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,200 best path to making this final? You have a teammate with you in 622 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:16,840 the prelim? Yeah. 623 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,680 You got to go hard. I mean, that's never been a 624 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,480 problem for Isaiah. The the challenge for Isaiah is 625 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,760 to not go too hard the 1st 400 yeah, you know, but like, yeah, 626 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,480 why would you let it go slow if you've got a guy behind you that 627 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,360 you guys can work together? Cuz I see Isaiah taking out and 628 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,720 kid are taking over. Yeah, that's just, it's such a 629 00:35:38,720 --> 00:35:43,240 risk with top one from each heat and the next two like it's just, 630 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:44,800 I guess it's hard no matter what, right. 631 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,480 Kind of makes you wonder why we're running a heat for this 632 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,080 thing when we could have just gotten maybe straight final for 633 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,000 this one. Cuz it'll be fun. 634 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,000 Yeah, maybe. And I guess you said like, you 635 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,280 got to make it hard for the New Jersey deli worker to make the 636 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,280 team. Nothing is given. 637 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:05,080 Nothing is given. All right, that brings us over 638 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:13,000 to the women's 400. Now this is 1 where the United 639 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:19,040 States had. Let's see, five women break 50 640 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,760 seconds last year and none of them have opted to run indoors. 641 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,280 The top person entered at this meet was the 11th fastest 642 00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:33,960 American of 2025 S. The 400 meter runners are 643 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,760 primarily focused on getting ready for outdoor season. 644 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,160 Heavy favorite in this one has to be Rosie F Young who ran 645 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:48,280 50.49 last year. And then from there it's a wide 646 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,440 open team to make Preet. Who are you sliding into that 647 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,240 second spot right now? Well, the problem is I'm not 648 00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:58,280 sure that anyone's qualified in this field. 649 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:04,160 There's no, there is nobody who has the time you need 5175 and 650 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:09,880 maybe Brianna White. No, no, nobody has qualified. 651 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:10,800 Who's in? The field. 652 00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:13,120 OK, guys, what? Are we doing here? 653 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,480 Obviously, Shamir. Little can run 51 whatever at 654 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:18,880 an. Age 5175, yes, but I mean, 655 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,040 that's the thing, no one's done it. 656 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,160 And so yeah, that's the first, first starting point, right? 657 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,040 Someone's got to do it. So maybe Shamir Little, maybe 658 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,200 Paris Peoples, maybe Bailey Lear, I don't know. 659 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,360 But at the moment I don't really have a huge amount of, I mean 660 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:36,160 Paris Peoples run has run 5195 so she is the closest. 661 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,320 Shamir Littles run, 5218. Yeah, look, I know this is 662 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:44,480 normally Chris's job to come on and be like the Patriot on the 663 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,200 podcast, but like, this is American women's 400 meter 664 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,960 running. Like, you don't think 8 girls 665 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,120 are going to run or like 8 women are going to run under 52 666 00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:55,520 seconds? Like, we're not going to have an 667 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,000 issue here. Shamir Little can do this with 668 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,720 her eyes shut. I can't believe Anna Hall didn't 669 00:38:01,720 --> 00:38:04,520 sign up for the 400. She could have done both 670 00:38:04,720 --> 00:38:06,240 honestly. What are we doing? 671 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:11,000 She's doing the 60 hurdles and the the high jump, so that's her 672 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,680 second event this weekend. What's one more? 673 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:17,560 But that but both both of those events Preet are on the first 674 00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,200 day. Where did she have to go on day 675 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,200 2? She's used to competing over 2 676 00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,280 days. These prelims are gonna be on 677 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:29,920 day one, right? For the 400, yeah, For the 400. 678 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,400 So there there is another one but. 679 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,040 Yeah, you're right. Her schedule would have been 680 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:40,160 12:00 high jump 348, women's 400 first round. 681 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,800 But I mean, look at this first round. 682 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:46,960 And then actually she would have had like 1/2 hour or like almost 683 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,440 a full hour until the women's 60 meter hurdles. 684 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,080 Didn't see it. Doesn't sound impossible. 685 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:54,920 Kind of wish you would have went for it. 686 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:59,600 But all right, so this that this one's one where it's lacking 687 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:04,120 depth, but we feel strongly enough that people will show up 688 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,840 on race day to run fast and secure their spots for worlds. 689 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,760 All right, so that brings us to the men's 400 pre. 690 00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,880 You called this out on the podcast a couple days ago. 691 00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:21,960 Last year we had two Americans go 1/2 at World indoors and 692 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,440 neither of them are entered here. 693 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:31,360 So wide open for some other folks to get a chance to go to 694 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:34,280 worlds. When I'm looking at the field. 695 00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:39,120 You got Genoa McIver, you got Chris Robinson, but they're both 696 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:40,880 in the same heat. But then Caleb Mccrae, who's 697 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,280 fresh off of that world record, he's probably like the heavy 698 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:49,480 favorite. This is just an event where, OK, 699 00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,800 like you see a lot of names on the start list with the word 700 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,320 unattached next to them. Good opportunity to make a name 701 00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,000 for yourself as we saw last year with your Corey Patterson and 702 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,400 Chris Robinson securing pro contracts afterwards. 703 00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,840 I was going to say this is Brian Faust Championships. 704 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,400 This is his meet, his track. This is this is all. 705 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:14,320 This is his race. 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Ollipop Polly throws approved. 737 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:06,280 Look, I know Caleb McRae was set a world record maybe, but you're 738 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,360 up against Brian Faust and Brian Faust house. 739 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:11,960 This is the House of the Faust built. 740 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,560 What do we like? Look at history. 741 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,000 I'm not looking at descending order list. 742 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,600 I'm looking at a guy who knows how to run 2 laps on indoor 743 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,520 tracks. And there's one guy who knows 744 00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:24,480 how to do that and he probably works at Adele and it's Brian 745 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,240 Faust, Brian Faust and Kale McRae. 746 00:42:26,240 --> 00:42:28,440 That's the team here. I do like MacGyver. 747 00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:33,800 I I look if something happened genome McIver I thought he 748 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:35,800 looked great in that 600 mil rose, but come. 749 00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:37,720 On Brian Faust, guys, what are we doing? 750 00:42:37,720 --> 00:42:41,280 Brian Faust deserves a a billboard next to mine in that 751 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:45,480 facility. It's very much deserving of it. 752 00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:47,640 Yeah, for all right, humble brain. 753 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,360 For the fans in attendance, if you're going to USA Indoors 754 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,880 Today, tag us in your Instagram stories. 755 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:55,920 If you could find the Mack Fleet Memorial that is. 756 00:42:55,920 --> 00:43:02,200 On the concourse behind the stands, there's a photo from Was 757 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,560 That 2020? It's 20/20/10 No yeah. 758 00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,080 It's like a yeah memoriam at this point, basically. 759 00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,480 How many pixels was in that? Seriously, a shot on film had to 760 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:21,480 have developed in a dark room. Yeah, no, Tyga, send us a send 761 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,560 us a photo. Let us know if it's still up. 762 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,160 Honestly, like that's that's they, they may have taken it 763 00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:29,720 down. That much time is has passed. 764 00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:35,280 But fun fact, yeah, Mac has more signage and and tributes to him 765 00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:44,480 at Ocean Breeze than at Hayward Field and and he won two titles 766 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:49,720 at I had Hayward Field and he finished fifth in the 1500 at 767 00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:52,560 Ocean Breeze. That's a generous finish for 768 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,400 that race, maybe one of the worst of my career. 769 00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:57,640 I'm glad it's just lived in infamy in that facility. 770 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,560 All right, then we go over to the. 771 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,360 Just before we move on, yeah, again, 21 people qualified from 772 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:09,120 the US for wild indoors. How many are in this in this 773 00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:12,000 field 2? Who are they? 774 00:44:13,720 --> 00:44:19,920 Kayla McRae and Chris Robinson. So what's Brian Faust's path to 775 00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,920 Poland? Running 45 eight I believe is 776 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,560 the qualifying time. So yes, that's. 777 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,160 I feel like there should be like a wild card, like if you're 778 00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:35,600 Brian Faust, you just get to go. That's true. 779 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,920 Yeah. Well, this is his home track, so 780 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,240 maybe he can summon some magic to to go that fast. 781 00:44:42,720 --> 00:44:47,200 And yeah, hopefully the spirit of Mackfleet drives them to 782 00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,760 glory. All right, Women's 1500. 783 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,960 Now, this one, like we said before, you take the field and 784 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,760 the top end of the 3K and then on. 785 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:04,120 Then after that you add in the fact that reigning US champion 786 00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:07,960 Nikki Hills will be focusing all of their efforts into this race. 787 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,880 So if you thought the 3K was tough for two spots, now you add 788 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,560 in Nikki and it makes it even tougher. 789 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:24,800 But the 1500 at USA Indoors is 1 where like it never really goes 790 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,120 according to plan sometimes. Like wasn't there that one year 791 00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:31,040 Where wasn't it? Heather just out leaned Ellie at 792 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,000 the finish line for like the spot in the 15. 793 00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,920 This is 2024 And then Ellie went and had redemption in the 3K. 794 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:47,400 So this 1500 is it's I think probably my event to watch for 795 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,520 for this weekend. So are we expecting anything 796 00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:55,520 different from just like, I guess the one thing that Kyle's 797 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,560 been harping on throughout this indoor season is just that Nikki 798 00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,680 has just proven to find so many different ways to win and 799 00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,840 sharpening all these different tools in their toolbox. 800 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,160 Nikki's the favorite, but Ellie also showed quite a bit of 801 00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,960 strength and speed in that mile at BU. 802 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,640 So it's a clash of Titans there, Kyle. 803 00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:21,680 I would say this is the race that Will is most likely to have 804 00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:30,240 an extremely salty post rating because there are a lot of 805 00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:32,480 people here. There's so much potential for 806 00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,320 people to be angry at someone. Else I just, yeah, like, because 807 00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,480 like, I rattled all of that off without the fact of mentioning 808 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:42,480 Sinclair Johnson, who's like the Outdoor Mile American record 809 00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:47,600 holder and is also very capable of making this team. 810 00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,920 There's so many people in this race just in general, like 13 811 00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,640 women in a 1500 indoors. And then like a tactical 812 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:59,680 championship race is a lot because there's there's not 813 00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,360 really anyone here who's going to get dropped early on. 814 00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,000 Like they're all going to be together for a while unless 815 00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,160 someone does something really bold, which you you might see. 816 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:13,800 But I would say nine people coming to this race think that 817 00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,360 they're can make this team. Yeah. 818 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:17,720 Mac, how do you see this one playing out? 819 00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:23,480 Yeah, I think it's, it'll depend on who makes the 3K team. 820 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:28,880 I think, I think if if and that's, that's mainly whether or 821 00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:32,120 not Ellie makes the team. I think Ellie races differently 822 00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,960 if she makes the team versus not making the the 3K team. 823 00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:38,040 But let's just assume she makes the 3000 meter team. 824 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,600 I think she sends this mile, makes it really, really, really 825 00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:46,520 hard early on. Nikki's gonna sit. 826 00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,960 And Nikki's shown this year and last year that they can they can 827 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,960 pull from further out. So last year we saw Nikki win 828 00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,480 both the 3000 and the 15. Last year's 15 final was Nikki 829 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,080 and then Sinclair finishing 1-2. And what was it like 4 O 830 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,040 5:00-ish? So I think we can just bank on 831 00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:09,480 this being probably closer to like a four O 2. 832 00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:13,160 Does that sound safe? Or maybe 4 flat if they're 833 00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:15,400 getting after it like in the 1st 2 laps. 834 00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,080 And then I think at that point, then you start separating the 835 00:48:20,080 --> 00:48:23,160 field a bit. If we really sink back into like 836 00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:25,640 the four O eights, 4-O sevens and it's going to be a just a 837 00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,400 messy pack. But Ellie won't let that happen. 838 00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,680 And I think Nikki's so confident in their strength at this point 839 00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,920 that even at halfway, I think Nikki's comfortable taking over. 840 00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:37,400 And then the rest of the field behind, I think it's going to 841 00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:42,000 defer to to either of those athletes unless someone thinks 842 00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,040 differently. Well, I I'm just thinking 843 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,560 they're not getting anywhere close to 4 flat 4 flat is 844 00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:52,120 Georgia Hunter Bell running all out and as in indoors that's 845 00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:54,800 this season. That's just like Ellie's the 846 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:56,840 only one who's broken 4 indoors this season. 847 00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:01,200 So I'm I'm seeing a four O 5 or slower race in the championship 848 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:02,600 race. I, I don't, I just don't see it 849 00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,160 going that quick that. Silver medalist George Hunter, 850 00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:09,360 Yes. Right, as of today, Well, and 851 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,360 also a medalist, but yeah, I, I just don't see it going that 852 00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,840 quick. And I think that means obviously 853 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:20,360 it's Nikki's race to lose that, you know, 95% favorite to win 854 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:24,440 this race in my view. And yeah, who gets that second 855 00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:26,120 spot? Yeah. 856 00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:28,800 If someone drops out because they made the 3K team, I'm going 857 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,760 to be furious. Yeah, I think there's a decent 858 00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,280 chance we actually drop outs. Ellie won't. 859 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:35,440 Absolutely not. I think Ellie's here to make 860 00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,280 both teams so and I think that that's the most impactful 861 00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:41,040 athlete in either of these fields in terms of like how 862 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,800 they're going to be raced. So that I'm not so worried about 863 00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:47,560 unless there's unless she gets hurt or something, unless like 864 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,200 something pops up overnight and she's not feeling 100%. 865 00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:51,960 But I think Ellie's in this to make both teams. 866 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,280 Is there a fall in this race? There's an elbow and someone 867 00:49:56,360 --> 00:49:59,320 goes out and to like lean for. They come back and they crash in 868 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:01,480 too hard and that's what the post race interview is going to 869 00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,800 be about. OK, I like that. 870 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:11,480 Is anyone on this panel picking anyone other than Nikki and 871 00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,560 Allie to make this team? Sinclair has been running well, 872 00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:22,960 is it good enough for to beat Allie coming back from a 3K 873 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,880 which I don't think is going to be that hard for Allie to make 874 00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:30,280 the team and win so. Emily Mckay's got a shot. 875 00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:32,400 She looked good. JDL. 876 00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,680 She's meddled world indoors before and I think the way she 877 00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:40,960 gets it is she controls the race up front and lets everyone else 878 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,320 bump each other around. I think that's the one thing 879 00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:48,600 that stood out about just sort of hearing Emily speak after 880 00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,640 some of these championships is just sort of like there's always 881 00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:56,440 a little bit of regret on. Like if I had to do it over in 882 00:50:56,440 --> 00:51:00,360 the final lap or so, I would have done this a little bit 883 00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,280 differently. And here's an opportunity, 884 00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:07,240 golden opportunity here to try and change things up. 885 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,320 Yeah, I was to say the the main thing about making these teams 886 00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:12,640 and performing well in these championships is that you have 887 00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:16,280 to actually do something. You, you can't just ride the 888 00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,160 train and accidentally make one of these teams. 889 00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,760 You have you, you have to put yourself out there and 890 00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:26,800 deliberately make a move and, and with 100% of your being and 891 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:31,600 conviction, stick to that move and make it happen. 1/3 of 1/3 892 00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,400 of this field is just here for a ride. 893 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:36,200 Unfortunately, like either they're just not fit enough to 894 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,360 compete with the top end or you know, it's confidence or 895 00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:42,640 whatever issue. Like 1/3 of this field, even 896 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,320 though they're some of the world's best, are just in for a 897 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,160 ride. The people that are going to be 898 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,240 competing to make the team have to act. 899 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,360 You have to do something, You have to try to do something 900 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,040 against your competitors in order to to make teams and win 901 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,880 medals. I want to see Margo Appleton, 902 00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:04,520 Gracie Morris or Rachel MacArthur take over with. 800 903 00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:05,480 Yeah, I want to see him. Just do try. 904 00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,280 Try something. Do something. 905 00:52:07,720 --> 00:52:09,840 You'll learn a lot. You'll learn. 906 00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:10,800 Don't. Do that anymore. 907 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:18,800 Pre your picks You're you're feeling safe with Nikki Kelly. 908 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,480 No, I'm no sorry, Nikki. Nikki for the win. 909 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,720 I am going to pick Gracie Morris for the. 910 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:30,680 Whoa, really? What have you seen this indoor 911 00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,560 season that's impressed you? What do you know, Preet? 912 00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,120 No, I, I mean, I, I, I'm too far. 913 00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:41,720 I'm going back to the, the US, the 2K cross country where where 914 00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:45,120 she won that and she, she actually ran decently fast at 915 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:47,160 New Balance. She's the third fastest 916 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,680 American. Obviously the others, a lot of 917 00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:52,640 them haven't run a 15 because they ran the mile. 918 00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:56,440 So, so, you know, maybe that's a bit misleading, but I'm, I'm 919 00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:58,920 going to go with Gracie Morris because she's proven that she 920 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:02,240 can win her. She is, she is on quite an 921 00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:04,880 upswing over the last two years. I will say something I noticed, 922 00:53:04,920 --> 00:53:07,160 I think she's still wearing the same spikes that she wore in 923 00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:11,720 cross country and she certainly has multiple pairs of those 924 00:53:11,720 --> 00:53:15,520 spikes, I know for a fact. Like the same exact well. 925 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:16,720 They're dirt. They have mud on them. 926 00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:20,080 They have mud on them. So like, I don't think she's 927 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:22,880 racing new bouts indoor grampy and her spikes have mud on them. 928 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,960 So unless she's running around in mud in in North Carolina, 929 00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,200 which I guess is a possibility. It rains there. 930 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:32,640 Yeah. I just, I thought that that was 931 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,000 fascinating. I was sorry, like a post race 932 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,600 and I'm like, those are covered in mud. 933 00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:40,320 Like did she just not like grab a new pair of spikes after cross 934 00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,000 country? Luke. 935 00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:45,840 Mark send. Gracie Morris A new pair of 936 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:48,320 spikes Before before. No, she has more. 937 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,320 She, I know she's got to have more. 938 00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,200 All right, that is the women's 15. 939 00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:01,120 We go over now to the men's 15 where Cole Hawker will be back 940 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:05,800 for a second event. This is honestly like I feel is 941 00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:11,240 very reminiscent to 2022 when it was about out in Spokane where 942 00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:19,800 he pulled off the 3K15 double. So in this one straight final 943 00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:24,040 that you've got yard and a goose, Cole Hawker, Cooper tier, 944 00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:29,880 Gary Martin's teammate at Virginia W Porter, who could be 945 00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,560 the dark horse sleeper pick. But then you also got Vinciotti, 946 00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:36,440 who had a solid showing out in Europe. 947 00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:44,480 So that I think is like a a clear top five with Cole and 948 00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:52,520 Yard being the favorites. Do you see any potential for to 949 00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:55,800 upset the 2 Olympic medalists? No Hobbs, Kessler in this one, 950 00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,960 which is kind of a little bit of a bummer not to have met at this 951 00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:02,080 meet. But just given the form that 952 00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:05,080 they've shown, this is the first time, I guess, we're seeing Yard 953 00:55:05,080 --> 00:55:08,840 versus Cole. Well, this will be the second, 954 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:12,880 second time this indoor season, given the fact that they'll have 955 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,040 raced the day before. But it's the two Olympic 956 00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,520 medalists, I think, that are the clear favorites here. 957 00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:20,200 Mac Agree. Disagree. 958 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,880 Kohl's the lock, right? I don't know Kyle, if you 959 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:28,160 disagree or not. I just I think I want to see, I 960 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,960 would have liked to see more of yard in some ways. 961 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:36,200 You just doesn't look like he's 100% for whatever reason like 962 00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:37,280 that. And that's a knock. 963 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,080 Like it's hard to stay at 100% for years and years and years. 964 00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,560 And sometimes you need a little bit of a downtime. 965 00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:49,280 But I could certainly see some like a W Border or see Cooper's 966 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,280 coming back. I think if Cooper were fresh, I 967 00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,200 would say that he has a shot to make this team. 968 00:55:55,880 --> 00:55:58,800 I I see W border having a little bit of an upset, especially if 969 00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,640 they go super hard in that in that 3000, they won't make this 970 00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,600 very quick. But again, these guys always run 971 00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:10,440 faster than you expect and that track isn't the fastest track in 972 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,960 the world. It's like kind of hard on you 973 00:56:13,640 --> 00:56:16,600 so. Brian Faust disagrees, but go 974 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,960 on. Yeah. 975 00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,200 I don't know, Kyle, if you have any experience on that track, 976 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:27,120 but yeah, I I don't think Yard's as much of his lock as what 977 00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,840 you're giving. But this field also isn't the 978 00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,120 deepest in the world, so I could see them making it fast enough 979 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,440 so where, you know, Yard has enough wiggle room to kind of 980 00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,120 out kick the rest of the field behind Cole. 981 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:44,560 Kyle, this is a great field and honestly, like if you blink, all 982 00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,560 of a sudden you wouldn't even know some of these names. 983 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:52,120 Cooper Kothra at A&M, now with. Under Armour like 333. 984 00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,160 Sorry, I'm looking at the wrongs we got Nathan Green in here, but 985 00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:55,960 Nathan's having. Yeah, Nathan Green. 986 00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:57,760 Nathan Greenhouse has to do a Nathan Green's. 987 00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,680 Thing. Yeah, sorry, sorry, I jumped. 988 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:04,960 On it Nathan Nathan Green ran 350 at the Dempsey earlier this 989 00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:09,000 season. He won by over 2 seconds like I 990 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:14,160 missed him feels pretty good. Sorry I feeling Nathan always 991 00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:18,080 runs on like pure hate too. I feel like like he's fired up 992 00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,080 and I think this is, you know, like he didn't really have the 993 00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:23,360 the year that he probably wanted to last year. 994 00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,800 And I think this is his opportunity. 995 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,480 He obviously came out firing. I mean, the Huskies always run 996 00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:31,080 well at the Dempsey. So what does that convert to 997 00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,160 Staten Island? We'll see. 998 00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:37,000 But if someone's going to, you know, I think break into that, I 999 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:42,200 definitely like him for it. But I guess similar to the 800, 1000 00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,080 as I was saying earlier, like this is 1 where someone you're 1001 00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:46,840 not expecting is going to make this team. 1002 00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:51,800 We're we're betting against Sam Prekel, you know, the Luke 1003 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:55,440 Houser, these type of guys, like they show up for world indoor 1004 00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,800 championships. Then you just have to go back 1005 00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,480 and look at history and just the two guys that were best at the 1006 00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:03,120 outdoor season the year previous aren't always necessarily going 1007 00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,080 to be the team again. So I don't think anyone in the 1008 00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:09,320 world can beat Cole Hawker at anything right now. 1009 00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,400 So I'm going to throw him a lock. 1010 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:16,920 But besides that, yeah, it's going to be someone who which 1011 00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,120 might be on their first. Luke Howser's indoor NCAA win is 1012 00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,480 one of the most impressive you're. 1013 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,600 Roman Empire. Yeah, no, seriously, it's one of 1014 00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,760 the most impressive Which one champions? 1015 00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:31,400 His last one where he was like really aggressively sprinting 1016 00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,480 the straights and slowing on the turns and it was just causing 1017 00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,600 mass chaos where the the field behind was running so wide that 1018 00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:40,440 they were they were like clipping the cones out in lane 4 1019 00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:43,120 and they just couldn't get around him. 1020 00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:47,040 Just fascinating race. He's I don't think it's fit 1021 00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:50,000 enough to be able to do that against someone like Cole. 1022 00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:52,640 He can't take, you know, take control of the race out front, 1023 00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,760 but he certainly has the experience indoors, you know, to 1024 00:58:56,840 --> 00:59:00,080 to manage it. And yeah, I like, I like Nathan 1025 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,000 going into this. I saw the I don't know who his 1026 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:05,080 agent is. They have him unattached in 1027 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,800 here, so they need, I was looking at that first and not 1028 00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,560 his name. He's with Adidas. 1029 00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,320 I like his odds here. I'm with you, Kyle. 1030 00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,800 There's a lot of people who are unattached listed for some 1031 00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,720 reason that doesn't seem like accurate but. 1032 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:25,240 Yeah, that's that's on the age, that 15% baby, that's what you 1033 00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:26,480 get. They're paying good money for 1034 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,640 that. Preet, are you listening to this 1035 00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:32,800 being like, I think that we're just clutching at trying to come 1036 00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,560 up with storylines. We're talking about a 345 and a 1037 00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:39,800 348 guy not being locks. I mean, I think it's going to be 1038 00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:43,280 a fun race and it could get interesting, but I, I think this 1039 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,560 is, again, there's no incentive for anyone to make this a fast 1040 00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:49,560 race because you don't want to give Nathan Green or Luke Hauser 1041 00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,760 or Sam Brakel a chance of making this team because they are not 1042 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,920 currently qualified. But there's eight other guys in 1043 00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:58,880 this race who are qualified for wild indoors and you need to run 1044 00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,840 336 or faster. So I, I, I get the feeling 1045 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,520 there's no incentive to make this race quick. 1046 01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:07,120 And if they don't make it quick, these guys don't qualify, so. 1047 01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:12,760 The meet record that's the incentive 337 yeah if they which 1048 01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,880 I know Mac you don't care about records but that's that's 1049 01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:18,360 shocking that is the. That is shocking. 1050 01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:20,760 That is wildly shocked. That's the meat. 1051 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:26,200 Cole Hawker, Yeah 20/20/2024. That has to be the worst meat 1052 01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,600 record in this. It has to be. 1053 01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:33,240 It's atrocious, and that's coming from Mac Fleet 338 guy. 1054 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:38,560 That's awful. All right, that was the men's 1055 01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:43,360 1500. We go over to the women's 60 1056 01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,640 meter dash. This is an event where the 1057 01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:51,240 United States historically has been able to pull off some 1058 01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:55,760 medals this year. Jason Sears is like the clear 1059 01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,760 favorite. Last year's reigning champion 1060 01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:02,760 isn't back, right Like. Not Briscoe. 1061 01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,640 No Alia Britain, Makia Briscoe was a couple years ago. 1062 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:09,800 Alia Hobbs is a couple years ago. 1063 01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:16,920 It was not Mary Beth St. But anyway, yeah, this is like a 1064 01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,080 trivia question for folks like who won USA indoors Women 60 1065 01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,080 last year. Jace, this year's favorite. 1066 01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:26,840 But then you got a Navy battle is actually in this one and 1067 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,480 intriguing entry by McKenzie Long also as well. 1068 01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:35,880 So those are the big three I think that I'm looking at to 1069 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:40,720 potentially make this team pre. So the reality is the fastest 1070 01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:46,040 people, the four fastest people in this field are Jason Sears, 1071 01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:53,960 Jaslyn Gardner, who ran 713 in December and hasn't raced since. 1072 01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:59,320 And then the two high schoolers, Mia Maxwell, who ran 7:20 to win 1073 01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,600 the high school race at Melrose and Mariah Maxwell, who came 1074 01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,720 third in the main race at Melrose. 1075 01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:08,520 But these are the 16 year old twin sisters and they are the 1076 01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:12,800 next fastest people in in this race in this field. 1077 01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:16,440 So actually, Samira Moody is the NCAA champion. 1078 01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:18,920 She came last at Melrose. She hasn't been having the 1079 01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:24,000 greatest season. And yeah, and a Navy battle. 1080 01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:28,200 Mackenzie Long again, haven't run particularly quick. 1081 01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:33,760 So it actually, I get the feeling that, you know, they've 1082 01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,840 raced a few times. So it's not like, oh, their 1083 01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:39,520 ceiling is much higher. It's they've been racing in the 1084 01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,640 high 730's, low 730's. They haven't really been been 1085 01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:47,960 racing much quicker than that. So I do think we could have a 1086 01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:49,920 high schooler on this team potentially. 1087 01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,040 Yeah, You're saying if there's if there's any event at this 1088 01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:55,560 entire meet that leads to a high schooler qualifying for the 1089 01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,280 World indoor Championships, it might be on the track. 1090 01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:00,760 This would be it. Absolutely. 1091 01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:05,720 And of course, yeah. I just thought of him as a 1092 01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,600 professional, but yeah, I know he's still a high school kid as 1093 01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,600 well. So multiple high school kids 1094 01:03:11,600 --> 01:03:14,120 writing notes to their teachers that they might have to miss 1095 01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:16,040 school. All right, then that brings us 1096 01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,920 to the final event of the meet and that is the men's 60. 1097 01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:24,840 So I guess like I, I don't remember the men's 60 closing 1098 01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:29,400 out USA indoors. Honestly, like I do firmly 1099 01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:32,360 believe the men's 1500 would be a better one to close out the 1100 01:03:32,360 --> 01:03:35,640 meet with. But in this one, I, it's the 1101 01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,360 star power. Of course, if you have the 100m 1102 01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:41,240 Olympic champion competing at your meet, you're going to close 1103 01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:45,600 out the meet with it. And so Noah Lyles goes in Heat 1104 01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:51,480 2, He's separated from Jordan. Anthony was in heat 1, and then 1105 01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:56,880 Trayvon Burmell is in heat 3. Those are the three best guys I 1106 01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,280 think to watch out for in this one. 1107 01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,920 Noel has already said that he's not going to be running world 1108 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,840 indoors because of how close it is to his wedding. 1109 01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:11,240 So potentially you could finish in the top three if Noah 1110 01:04:11,240 --> 01:04:15,080 finishes ahead of you and you still get to go to the World 1111 01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:18,960 Indoor Championships. Ronnie Baker made this team last 1112 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:23,200 year. And yeah, I'm, I'm kind of 1113 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:27,960 looking at these entries in front of me and it's a, it's, I 1114 01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,400 guess Noah is attempting to hype this thing up as Noah versus 1115 01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:36,680 Jordan Anthony. I would love Trey to quietly 1116 01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:41,000 just go and steal the show. But Jordan Anthony was very 1117 01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,680 impressive in that last run. And Kyle, I think on the last 1118 01:04:44,680 --> 01:04:48,280 podcast both you and I said like we're we shouldn't be shocked if 1119 01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:52,240 we see a 97 from him come outdoor season based off of that 1120 01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:56,760 what we're already seeing in the works with this the 60 work. 1121 01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:01,280 I mean, the narrative is Anthony versus Miles, right? 1122 01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:05,800 Like it has to be 17 guys in this field out of 24 don't have 1123 01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:07,320 a shoe sponsor next to their wow. 1124 01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,080 It's not a great ratio. It's not really what you look 1125 01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,880 for. So the two stars, that is 1126 01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:17,040 definitely the main event. We did see the belt. 1127 01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:22,200 The belt is up for grabs. Everyone's talking about it and 1128 01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:27,080 I think Jordan, it's does it say pure athletics on the belt? 1129 01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:31,360 It's kind of like, do you? Take it if you if if Trey wins. 1130 01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:35,280 If Trey or Jordan? Wins they belt, but Jordan is in 1131 01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,120 the group. Oh, Jordan's in the group. 1132 01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:38,800 OK, sorry. So that makes sense. 1133 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:42,160 But if Trey wins, does he take the belt? 1134 01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,520 Like is that how this works? Like you just take home the. 1135 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,400 Belt no, I I think like there's an. 1136 01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:50,080 Mac shaking has Mac. You have to understand the rule. 1137 01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,920 So Mac was not happy with this video. 1138 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:57,520 He he found it a little cringe. It needed music. 1139 01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:02,360 It did need music, right? We can get what Noah's getting 1140 01:06:02,360 --> 01:06:05,360 at with these reels that he's putting together because he's 1141 01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:10,080 been, he's attended multiple WWE, you know, do you call them 1142 01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:16,240 performances or shows, matches? I guess over the last couple 1143 01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:20,800 months. It just doesn't really translate 1144 01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:26,960 to the Instagram format with the scripted dialogue. 1145 01:06:27,080 --> 01:06:32,360 And so Mag Mag is like, my mom taught me that if you have 1146 01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,840 nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all. 1147 01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:36,840 And that's why it's not that he's muted. 1148 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:38,960 He's just like, not going to say anything. 1149 01:06:39,120 --> 01:06:44,480 Yeah, no, I guess let's go full WWE lingo and we can with our 1150 01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,160 Getting Checked podcast. We can. 1151 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:53,120 If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, Kay. Kayfabe is dead basically, and 1152 01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:56,120 that's where you don't want to work yourself into a shoot. 1153 01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,880 But if you know what's going on basically behind the scenes, 1154 01:06:59,880 --> 01:07:03,960 then you know that it's fake, if that makes sense. 1155 01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:07,880 So like you, you can't. So if Jordan Anthony wins, it's 1156 01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,360 because that was scripted in practice. 1157 01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,000 They decided the most interesting that. 1158 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:15,040 Could happen to be that he takes pure athletics thing because 1159 01:07:15,040 --> 01:07:17,480 they, it's going to be one of them is going to win. 1160 01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,240 And so they made a pure athletics thing so that they 1161 01:07:20,240 --> 01:07:24,400 could pass it off to each other. But yeah, no, it's, it's hard to 1162 01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:27,320 like, and I appreciate Noah like doing these things. 1163 01:07:27,320 --> 01:07:30,080 I, I genuinely do because no one else is doing shit. 1164 01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,760 So like, hey, he's doing what he wants to do and people let him. 1165 01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,440 And you know, like that, that's all. 1166 01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,240 That's all fine. But like when the rest of the 1167 01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:41,040 sport isn't in on the bit, it doesn't work. 1168 01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:44,000 That's the part. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1169 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,240 All right. So there's a there's a belt on 1170 01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:46,680 the line. I guess a couple weeks ago we, 1171 01:07:46,720 --> 01:07:51,760 we talked about there needs to be belts and now we're just 1172 01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:55,200 saying that the, the, the content and the execution around 1173 01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:59,440 this belt roll out hasn't been. It's just like, I think the no 1174 01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,120 one is checking the pure athletics Instagram account to 1175 01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:05,000 dig up this context. And so if word just is lost, 1176 01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,960 think, imagine the people who are just listening to this thing 1177 01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,080 for the last 5 minutes being like, what the hell are they 1178 01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:14,920 talking about the video? So for folks who haven't seen 1179 01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,600 it, it's on the Pure Athletics Instagram. 1180 01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:20,399 Let's not I get let's they can. Oh. 1181 01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:24,640 Yeah, Mac can't handle it. But if you go to the comments 1182 01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,680 section, Mac's not the only one who feels this way. 1183 01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,760 The the comments section is actually very, very funny. 1184 01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,120 So, and again, get get this off my phone. 1185 01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:37,240 Yo, why is the cameraman breathing so heavily? 1186 01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,880 This might be the worst video of all time. 1187 01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:45,080 Again, I appreciate what he's trying to do. 1188 01:08:45,399 --> 01:08:47,439 I don't want that to be taken any other way. 1189 01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:49,520 I do. I genuinely do because I wish 1190 01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:51,840 more. I wish more athletes in the 1191 01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,800 space were doing more. I don't know, just like public 1192 01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,720 bits like he's doing. But it it takes a village for 1193 01:08:57,720 --> 01:09:01,279 everyone to kind of be in on it. I think in in theory though 1194 01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:04,800 people hating it is good. Or it's also good? 1195 01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:05,960 Uses. Look at how many. 1196 01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,680 People hate WWE for being fake. Yeah, like it's almost like if 1197 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,279 it was good then it wouldn't garner as much interest, but 1198 01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:15,520 because it's not good. Here's the thing to bring this 1199 01:09:15,520 --> 01:09:20,319 back to WWE in the in the heel is Noah trying to be a heel 1200 01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:23,520 though? Because I don't think he is. 1201 01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:27,520 And that's that's where we get our kind of roads crossed here 1202 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,080 if. He was purposely the heel in 1203 01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:30,760 track. Yeah, if he was purposely trying 1204 01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,800 to be the heel, I man, I would be all into this. 1205 01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:36,720 I would love it. Yeah, well, someone commented, 1206 01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:38,640 Noah, ignore all the sheep calling this corny. 1207 01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:40,000 Some of us actually see the vision. 1208 01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:44,600 Keep going, win, lose or draw. So, yeah, All right. 1209 01:09:44,720 --> 01:09:50,200 Well, that's the that's the men 60 at USA indoors, Jordan 1210 01:09:50,200 --> 01:09:53,680 Anthony versus Noah Miles. But we're I'm I'm rooting for 1211 01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:57,160 Trey to pull off the upset because Trey would then go be 1212 01:09:57,160 --> 01:10:01,480 back at world indoors 10 years after his gold medal in 1213 01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:05,760 Portland. I want that storyline better 1214 01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:08,440 than a, than someone trading belts. 1215 01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:11,040 Yeah. All right. 1216 01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:15,600 Well, that does it for our preview of the 2026 USATF Indoor 1217 01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:19,000 Championships. Again, Friday's action will be 1218 01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:24,640 broadcast on USAT f.tv. And then on Saturday, anything 1219 01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:30,960 before 1:00 PM is on USAT f.tv and then from 1:00 to 3:00 PM is 1220 01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:36,440 on NBC and Peacock. And if you go and watch it in 1221 01:10:36,440 --> 01:10:40,200 person and you haven't bought your tickets yet, you can get a 1222 01:10:40,200 --> 01:10:44,040 discount using Citius 10. I believe it's the discount code 1223 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,800 or just hit the link in our show notes. 1224 01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:52,320 So that does it. 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