1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,920 What's up everyone? You are listening to the Sidious 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,120 Magic Podcast. I'm your host Chris Chavez, and 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,480 every week we go beyond the results to bring you 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,480 conversations with the biggest names on the track, the roads, 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,760 and behind the scenes. From world class athletes and 6 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,280 coaches to innovators shaping the sport. 7 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,520 If it's happening on the track, we're covering it with real 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,560 insights that sharpen minds, deep dives into the moments that 9 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,360 define careers, and the kind of access to the pros you won't get 10 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,360 anywhere else. So let's get into it because we 11 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:33,320 love track and field. 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I became a big track fan after 19 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:58,080 the Paris Olympics and listening to this pod on my runs kept my 20 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,440 interest in the sport beyond the Olympic year. 21 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:04,080 I loved all of the up to date, fresh episodes during the World 22 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,400 Champs to process my own post race thoughts and emotions for 23 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,560 the still relatively niche sport which you guys are about to 24 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,040 change. I can't imagine the work and 25 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,960 exhaustion that goes behind making these episodes and 26 00:01:15,960 --> 00:01:19,440 athlete interviews on the field. 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Marathon weekends are a ton of 32 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,840 fun for us, especially when we get to meet and interact with 33 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:39,240 all of you since we're constantly in your ears. 34 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,480 We are so grateful for the support. 35 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:44,640 If you want your review to be read and you want to support the 36 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,520 show, leave us a review on Apple Podcast today. 37 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:53,360 My guest for today's episode is Joel Rico, who could be viewed 38 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,360 as one of the biggest surprise stories of the New York City 39 00:01:56,360 --> 00:02:00,680 Marathon after finishing as the top American finisher in a race 40 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,600 packed with Olympians and pros backed by some of the biggest 41 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,720 brands and running. Joel, a 32 year old unsponsored 42 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:12,040 athlete from the Minnesota Distance Elite Team, ran the 43 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,560 best race of his life, clocking a two hour, 9 minute and 56 44 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:20,480 second performance to finish 6th overall and claim top American 45 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:24,760 honors at 24 miles. He was still in 12th place and 46 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:28,080 started to get a bit tired, but then he saw that the front group 47 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:31,520 started coming back and he ripped a 445 mile to try and 48 00:02:31,520 --> 00:02:33,680 catch him. He held strong through Central 49 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,880 Park and went out for the top US honors over the likes of Charles 50 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:40,280 Hicks and Joe Clucker. Joel's marathon journey hasn't 51 00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:43,080 been flashy. He ran for South Dakota State 52 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:46,160 under Rod De Haven, grinded through years on the roads and 53 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,280 is working a job at a running store while chasing his own 54 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:53,520 marathon dreams. Patience paid off, and he 55 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:57,040 finally put it all together on a perfect day in New York City. 56 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:59,920 We talked about what it takes to breakthrough, how he's 57 00:02:59,920 --> 00:03:03,400 supporting his dream, and his recollection of the final stages 58 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,160 of Sunday's race. Joel may have come into New York 59 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:10,240 as a name that few knew, but he certainly now on most people's 60 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:12,960 radars. Without further ado, here is 61 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:27,830 Joel Rico. All right, now I'm joined by the 62 00:03:27,830 --> 00:03:32,830 top American at the 2025 New York City Marathon, Joel Rico. 63 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,440 We finally got it right. I feel like we were battling 64 00:03:36,440 --> 00:03:39,960 with just and arguing over the many different pronunciations of 65 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,920 your last name. We even had someone on the in 66 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:45,360 the YouTube chat claiming that they were they were your cousin 67 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:49,320 and that it was right, right Chow And I was like, all right, 68 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,320 I guess we'll believe the fake YouTube commenter cousin. 69 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,680 But it's Rico. And I feel like so many more 70 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,800 people have familiarized themselves with you in the last 71 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,560 couple days. Joel, how are we feeling 48 72 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:04,920 hours after the New York City Marathon? 73 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,480 Feeling good, quads are a little beat up but other than that I 74 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,240 feel really good. Emotionally, I guess like how 75 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,640 was this, you know, I guess what were the feelings going into 76 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,760 this race and like, what was it that you were out to prove with 77 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:21,839 this performance? Cuz you definitely like point 78 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,000 blank flew under the radar for so many people. 79 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:29,080 Kind of my goals going in or top ten overall, top three American 80 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:32,880 and then kind of had a time goal in mind of sub two O 9 if it 81 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,400 played out right. And then kind of sub 210 was 82 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,720 kind of like a Beagle if it goes out a little slower. 83 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,680 You've run, I guess what was it 6 previous marathons before this 84 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:47,160 one and none of them, I guess only one of them had been sub 85 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,520 210. And so now to kind of like think 86 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,160 about. This is my first sub 210. 87 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,880 This is your sub first sub 210. Yep. 88 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,000 Yeah. So it's like a 42nd PR. 89 00:04:58,920 --> 00:04:59,760 Yeah. All right. 90 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:04,400 So you ran six previous marathons before this and this 91 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,800 is the first one that you got under 210. 92 00:05:07,280 --> 00:05:11,440 And I guess like you were, you're throwing out these this 93 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,720 time goal of potentially, you know, two O 8. 94 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,320 Like where did that confidence come from? 95 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:18,240 I've been in that shape for a while. 96 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:23,080 So Chicago two years ago when I ran my 210, I actually like 97 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,320 strained my calf with like 5 miles to go. 98 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,400 So I was just kind of like was like on the side of the road 99 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,480 stretching up against the barrier and just jump back in 100 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,400 and said let's we can still have a good day. 101 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:38,280 And so I felt like I was in that shape a while ago. 102 00:05:38,280 --> 00:05:40,720 So I was like, we can, we can do that. 103 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,680 So there was that performance in 2023, the two 1037. 104 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:48,280 And what did that do, I guess like for your hopes and 105 00:05:48,280 --> 00:05:51,760 expectations then going into the 2024 US Olympic Trials? 106 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,840 Because I guess like we'll bop around, you know, kind of all 107 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:55,960 throughout the course of of your career. 108 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,360 But in particular, I guess at that point that was a breakout 109 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,040 marathon for you. And then as everyone's kind of 110 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,360 trying to formulate like who are who's the top three going to be 111 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,360 in Orlando, people would look at you and just sort of that 210 is 112 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,120 like a dark horse contender for that day. 113 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,040 So did you also kind of have that self belief as well? 114 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,840 Yep, yeah, that was kind of my goal. 115 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:22,240 We try and be the person that surprised everybody. 116 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,200 Obviously didn't quite go that way, Had a little bit of 117 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:31,000 Achilles stuff going into it, and then kind of in the race I 118 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,640 kind of screwed up my Achilles pretty good actually. 119 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,000 I had to take like 2 months off after that. 120 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:41,160 Wow, OK, so even before all of that, like going into the 121 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:44,520 marathon, like your background, two time all American in cross 122 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,960 country at South Dakota State. So kind of makes sense why of 123 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:52,000 course, like New York definitely favors Someone Like You. 124 00:06:52,200 --> 00:06:54,600 You were a 10K specialist back then. 125 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:59,680 Your coach was Rod Dehaven, the 20, the 2000 US Olympic marathon 126 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:03,080 trials champion. Was there talk even back then 127 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,440 that the marathon eventually, someday would be your event? 128 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:09,160 Because you you would. You dove into it in 2020. 129 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:10,680 Yeah. And kind of coming out of 130 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,760 college, I was kind of on my mind that we kind of transition 131 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:19,760 that way. And then the 2020 trials, that 132 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:21,720 was kind of where I decided to debut. 133 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,240 We had a bunch of guys that were racing it. 134 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,320 So it was like this kind of seemed like the right time we 135 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,960 had. Kevin Lewis was also his debut 136 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:36,960 there and then Tyler German and then we had few women as well, 137 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:40,600 so a good crew. It was right after South Dakota 138 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:43,440 State that you decided to jump in with the Minnesota Distance 139 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:44,840 Elite team. Yep. 140 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,360 What appealed to you about that group? 141 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,560 I like the coach a lot. We had a lot of like like minded 142 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:52,800 individuals who are in a pretty similar place. 143 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,200 I kind of explored a few places and this seemed like a really 144 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,440 good fit for me. Yeah, so Chris Lundstrom, I feel 145 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,360 like is now got to be like one of the most underrated marathon 146 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,000 coaches in this entire country. Just seeing what he's been able 147 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,960 to do with the likes of you with Dakota Pope, Pain with Annie 148 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,720 Frisby, where it's like, I think the biggest thing has been 149 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,640 talent development. Where did he start with you, I 150 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,400 guess, and just sort of like ushering you to the marathon 151 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,360 because it wasn't like, like you said, I guess like you debuted 152 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,640 at the marathon trials, so you qualified off of 1/2 marathon 153 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,160 performance. So what was what was that first 154 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,920 year like under Coach Lundstrom? Actually, in my first year here, 155 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,440 I kind of was coming off of being a little dinged up in 156 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,679 college. So I basically said like I'm not 157 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:38,720 really going to race for a while. 158 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,360 I just want to focus on getting stronger. 159 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:43,799 So I don't think I raced until like the track season of that 160 00:08:43,799 --> 00:08:45,960 year. So just putting in mileage, 161 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,760 getting longer workouts in. Was mileage, I guess like when 162 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,560 you've brought up kind of like these strings of injuries, like 163 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:56,040 what, what is because it, it, it seems like it's a common theme 164 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,000 with you just sort of like that, you know, an injury will pop up 165 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,280 after a big performance or, you know, just before what is it 166 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,400 that kind of has triggered that over the years? 167 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:08,040 And then of course, to get this performance in New York, it 168 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,840 seems like you came into, to this one at least, like the 169 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,720 healthiest you've been maybe before a marathon. 170 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,720 It's just been a lot of like calf Achilles type stuff and 171 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,920 it's kind of been around my whole career. 172 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:23,360 But yeah, calf Achilles were pretty good. 173 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,800 This build up. I did have a strain pretty early 174 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:30,080 on in the build up and that that obviously settled down, but did 175 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:31,480 have to take like a few days off. 176 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:35,840 And then I also kind of sprained my ankle about 3 weeks before TC 177 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:39,160 as well. So it's not like perfect build 178 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:44,000 up, but things went really well. Obviously put everything 179 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,000 together and like this has been one of my healthier build UPS. 180 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,400 Why do you feel like the marathon is is your event like 181 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:53,960 after taking a couple swings at it and just seeing kind of a bit 182 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,360 of a progression over time? I think it rewards people that 183 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:01,480 are patient, consistent, just kind of building up strength. 184 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,600 I've got a good engine, so like late in the race, I feel like 185 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,040 cardio holds up very well. So as long as the body holds up 186 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:10,480 like, it's going to be a good day. 187 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,800 How'd that engine develop? Was that back in college mostly 188 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:16,160 or? Yeah, we did decent mileage in 189 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,400 college. So I was like, I would do like 190 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,360 90 miles a week, but in single runs in college. 191 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,480 And now we're up to kind of a lot of marathons. 192 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,120 Peak mileage will be like 1:30. 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Gnomeo, prepare to outperform. 246 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,200 Yeah. So what do you feel was 247 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,080 different or the elements of this particular marathon 248 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:40,160 training block that you really think credited this big of a 249 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,280 jump in your performance? Because you said like all right, 250 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,040 you believe that the fitness has been there in the past to get 251 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:50,120 into two O 9 or two O 8 high range, but so has the training 252 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,280 kind of stayed the same and what does that look like? 253 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:57,320 Yep, it stayed very similar. Just we do quite a bit of like 254 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,640 longer workouts. So I'll have like 3 on 2 float 255 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:03,880 fart licks. We did like mile on mile float 256 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:08,360 fart like for like 12 miles. So a lot of just kind of 257 00:14:08,560 --> 00:14:10,320 strength development type workouts. 258 00:14:10,560 --> 00:14:14,000 Even with just sort of like all of these new sort of like 259 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,920 advances and yeah, I guess like the double threshold all 260 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,680 everyone jumping into the sauna immediately after. 261 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,880 But for you guys like is it not as flashy or are you doing some 262 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,920 of that stuff too? I would say it's not as flashy 263 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,240 for us. I know Dakota likes Asana a lot, 264 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,160 so I think she does that most days. 265 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,720 Sometimes on my double s I'll pick it up if my body is in like 266 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:38,440 a good place. I feel like I'm bored. 267 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:43,360 More work, but typically double S I'm still just kind of taking 268 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:44,720 easy. I'm not doing like double 269 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,320 threshold or anything like that. When you decided to keep running 270 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,640 after college, like, what was sort of the goal that you had in 271 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,440 mind? Like just, I mean, everyone 272 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,400 thinks Olympics, right? But you know, over time I was it 273 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:02,360 just sort of seeing out your potential and just continued 274 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,760 progress. Yep, Yeah, obviously everybody 275 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:07,800 wants to make an Olympic team, a World Team. 276 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:12,120 So like that's obviously a target, but continued progress, 277 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,440 just kind of see what I can do. Not a lot of people get this 278 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:16,920 opportunity, so trying to make the most of it. 279 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,800 This whole entire time you've been unsponsored, right? 280 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:22,320 Yep. What's that like? 281 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:25,040 Obviously it would be helpful to be sponsored. 282 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,480 It would take a lot of financial pressure off, but I work like 283 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,080 20-5 hours a week at a shoe store and then we get some 284 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,640 stipend from our team as well and they help with travel and 285 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,400 stuff so we make it work. It's a running shoe store. 286 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,120 I'm guessing there's a little bit more flexibility to be able 287 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:44,680 to squeeze out for a lunch run or something like that. 288 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:50,720 But I or how do you kind of if it's 120 miles a week, like how 289 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,400 are you stretching that out over the course of the week? 290 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:58,240 So I try not to like dip out of the store too often to do runs, 291 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:02,880 but usually during a build up like peak week around then I do 292 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:06,400 have to kind of say, hey, I'm going to take lunch off or like 293 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,760 usually end up it ends up being like one or two o'clock where 294 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,440 we've got good staff coverage. So I'm not like leaving a short 295 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:14,480 handed. Yeah. 296 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,440 What store is it? Because I, I guess like they 297 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,800 have, there's a ton of really good stores in the Minneapolis 298 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:19,720 area. Yep. 299 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:22,280 So it's Fleet Feet Marathon Sports or Fleet Feet 300 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:26,440 Minneapolis. And then we actually our team is 301 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,280 sponsored by a different store. So I have to kind of balance 302 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:34,160 like you know, both of them are great, but not like playing 303 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,040 favourites to 1 because appreciate both of them a lot. 304 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,760 Yeah, what are the good things about being able to work at a 305 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:43,880 running store while pursuing professional running? 306 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,200 It's nice to be able to just like, help people. 307 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:48,680 It's a very relaxed environment. Do. 308 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,400 You get to test out like as much as you want. 309 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,600 That is cool. Usually you get to see some of 310 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:57,040 the stuff that's coming out from the tech reps as well, so that's 311 00:16:57,040 --> 00:16:59,320 always fun. What went into just sort of 312 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,960 like, I guess you have your Minnesota Distance Elite kit and 313 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:07,400 then you went with a pair of ASICS for this one in the past, 314 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,680 I guess like you've raced in the Hocus Super shoes. 315 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,520 What went into just sort of choosing these shoes for this 316 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:17,000 race? Just kind of like what felt 317 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,000 best. I was kind of between this and 318 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:22,280 the Puma Fast Star, but I have a bit of mileage on the Puma Fast 319 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,119 Stars and I would have to go spend $300 on them. 320 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:28,040 So it kind of helped make the choice. 321 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,720 But both of them are really fantastic. 322 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,080 I feel comfortable in them. They don't bother my calf or 323 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:35,280 Achilles so. As we continue to kind of just 324 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,880 jump around throughout like the course of your career, when you 325 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:45,600 ran 21037 in Chicago, that put you up in the storied list. 326 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:50,400 I think it's your, you were #2 on the South Dakota State Alums 327 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,800 marathon list and you surpassed your coach Rod Dehaven. 328 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,640 Like, was there any fun banter there after? 329 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,640 I mean, he'd run what is it? He's run 211 or something. 330 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:04,400 So yeah. Did you talk to him about like 331 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:05,720 post that performance? Yeah. 332 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:10,080 We didn't really talk much. He obviously he reached out and 333 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,280 said like good job and stuff. But yeah, no, not a banter 334 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,760 necessarily. Then after that, I guess like 335 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:20,400 earlier this year, there was a it was grandma's marathon. 336 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,840 You won that one. It was a hot day. 337 00:18:23,400 --> 00:18:24,680 What do you remember about that race? 338 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:28,360 And like I said, what stood out? You ran 21158, a solid time all 339 00:18:28,360 --> 00:18:30,640 things considered, but what were the big takeaways from that 340 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:33,120 performance? Just kind of reading the 341 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:37,680 situation, playing it smart. A lot of guys were like normal 342 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:39,560 surging to all the fluid stations. 343 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,160 The race kind of kept going back and forth and I just kind of let 344 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,400 that happen. They kind of took off at like 345 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,720 half, kind of similar to how this played out, and I just 346 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,280 reeled people in gradually and then got myself in a position to 347 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,600 be successful at the end. Let's go into then I guess the 348 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:00,080 decision from grandma's to double back and then do New York 349 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:02,040 for your fall marathon. Why New York? 350 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,360 It's always super cool experience here. 351 00:19:04,360 --> 00:19:09,280 I had a lot of fun last year. Last year I tried to get in 352 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,760 somewhere else and they didn't let me in and kind of put all my 353 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:15,040 eggs in that basket. So we were kind of scrambling 354 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,560 and last year, like right before they announced, Sam let me into 355 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,480 their field. So super appreciative. 356 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,280 Appreciative for the opportunity. 357 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,400 This year, same exact thing. Little different that same race 358 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:29,560 didn't let me back in this year, but also like I had a really 359 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:31,360 good experience here last year too. 360 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:33,320 So I was, I was happy to come back. 361 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,720 You're in this race, you look at the field on paper, you see that 362 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:41,000 among the other Americans. I guess the big storyline going 363 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,560 into this race was a ton of debuts taking place. 364 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,480 How much do you think your experience factored into, you 365 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,360 know, just being being able to pull off the top American 366 00:19:52,360 --> 00:19:54,760 performance? Because we saw, I guess going 367 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,200 over the Queensboro Bridge, it was like Hilary Borg was surging 368 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,320 to the front. There was just quite a bit of 369 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:02,480 pay shifting. Eventually it catches up to 370 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:07,000 someone like him by 24 miles. But what, what were you thinking 371 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,120 this whole entire time and what was the plan going in? 372 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,960 The plan was pretty much exactly what happened. 373 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,120 Obviously, I didn't really think that I was going to be first 374 00:20:14,120 --> 00:20:17,120 American. Things kind of shook out at the 375 00:20:17,120 --> 00:20:21,200 end in my favor, but I kind of went in with that same 376 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:25,520 mentality, like I was going to be controlled steady. 377 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,720 And then Queensboro was about where I was like, OK, things are 378 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,560 going to happen about that point. 379 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:34,280 So I need to be ready to take some risks and do what I need to 380 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:36,280 get myself in a position to be successful. 381 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,400 Kind of broke off into a few groups. 382 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,840 So we had that like lead pack that had like, I think that 383 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,520 eight guys in it. And then there was a chase pack 384 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,760 that it kind of got me and some of the other guys. 385 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,520 So like I think Joe Clacker was around me at Queensboro and 386 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:53,520 Colin, Benny Reed Fisher, few other guys. 387 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:58,240 And so pressing the bridge, I was like, OK, I'm going to kind 388 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:01,200 of press it here, try and get up to that chase back. 389 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:04,600 And then I caught them. And then sitting behind like, 390 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,880 Kipchogi was like crazy experience. 391 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,040 I'm like, Oh my gosh, I'm in this group with Kipchoge and 392 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,400 there's like six of us here. We're like halfway through the 393 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,600 race. 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Lollipop, the Runner Soda. 468 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:47,400 So by the time the race got to 24, it left it to just 469 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,560 essentially like the final 2 miles to decide among the 470 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,560 Americans who's going to come out on top. 471 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,240 Take me through those final 2 miles. 472 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,640 We saw BIA coming back. I think we caught him a little 473 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,800 before 24. And then I saw Hillary's. 474 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:03,560 Hillary's. I think he had like a pinkish, 475 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,040 purplish jersey. I like that. 476 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,080 Looks like Hillary as well. And then by like 24, we saw and 477 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,560 I was like, OK, that's Hillary. We're all like right here. 478 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,120 All of a sudden, my legs are just like going. 479 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:14,560 I was like, oh, we're doing this now. 480 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,160 We're just going for it. See what happens. 481 00:26:17,360 --> 00:26:20,760 Was it you and Charles Hicks basically together for most of 482 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,640 that race? Yep, yeah, he was in that in 483 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,880 that second chase group that I caught up to. 484 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:27,600 How much talking is in that group? 485 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:33,120 Not a lot of talking. I think Mathias, the Swiss guy, 486 00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:37,880 he kind of took over after me and I think we all just kind of 487 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,520 like tucked in behind him and we're just kind of single file 488 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,200 line. So then with a mile to go, I 489 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,280 feel like at that point then it was you versus Charles for top 490 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,160 American. What happened there? 491 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,560 Did you just like always, just maintain a step or two on him 492 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,520 from there? Pretty much, yeah. 493 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:00,600 I I pressed and then Mathias kind of caught me and then I 494 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,120 could feel somebody else behind me and I didn't look until like 495 00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:04,960 the end. I was like, oh, Charles is like 496 00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:06,960 right there. I got to make sure I keep the 497 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,360 pressure on. But yeah, that that last two 498 00:27:10,360 --> 00:27:13,760 miles is a long ways. It's like, when is this going to 499 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,520 end? Is that the best you've felt 500 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,440 closing out a marathon? I would say so this and 501 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,440 grandma's felt like very similar. 502 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,360 Whereas like all of a sudden like 2 miles ago, things are 503 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:31,240 just kind of like click in and I'll say I didn't have to like 504 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:34,240 Sprint finish, which is is good. I haven't had to do that in a 505 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,960 marathon yet. But yeah, just being able to put 506 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,640 the pressure on at the end is is good. 507 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,640 So at this point, I guess you were dealt a hot grandma's 508 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:47,680 marathon where you ran 211 and then you run two O 956 in New 509 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,120 York, which is a hilly, challenging course. 510 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,440 What do you think both of those performances translate to on 511 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,160 like a flat fast one? Like I, I know some of you, I 512 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,440 hate to do this, but like, I'm, I'm curious where your mind 513 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:03,960 might be at in terms of just like how this translates to say, 514 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,960 Valencia or something like that. I would say maybe like a minute 515 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,920 to 90 seconds would probably be a fair conversion. 516 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,360 I don't know, I guess other people might have opinions on 517 00:28:13,360 --> 00:28:17,320 how much hills impact them, but I think a minute to 90 seconds 518 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,400 is fair. When you're doing workouts and 519 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:25,800 stuff and I at any point gold marathon pace comes up, is that 520 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:31,360 typically targeting 2O8? Yeah, like that, like 2O9 flat. 521 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:35,800 So like 450-5456 was kind of the target on my mind. 522 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,080 Does this change things you think going forward for the next 523 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,160 marathon build? Yeah, just putting a little more 524 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,480 pressure on. I won't change things 525 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:49,120 dramatically, but just kind of continuing on the path I've been 526 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,200 on. Obviously, like this is a new 527 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:57,600 Olympic cycle, right with everyone's eyes towards 2028, 528 00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,560 the Olympic marathon trials, wherever and whenever those will 529 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,640 will be. I guess what is it that you're 530 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,480 hoping to, to accomplish in these next couple years to have 531 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,200 a better outcome at the next marathon trials or like you 532 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,120 know, when you're, when you're envisioning, you know, 533 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,800 20/26/2027, what like what are you hoping to get out of 534 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,160 marathon performances in those two years? 535 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,040 Just getting stronger, trying to be up near what the front guys 536 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,520 are running. At some point I'll need to take 537 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,680 a a shot at like a faster course again. 538 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,680 But yeah, just kind of making sure my name's in the mix. 539 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:40,320 I think one thing that one of our writers, David Mellie 540 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,360 highlighted in just sort of like the recap from New York is just 541 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,600 that the likes of like Conor Mance and Clayton Young, like 542 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:49,880 you just can't get too comfortable, right? 543 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,360 Like, yes, they have been the top guys for the last, you know, 544 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,800 2-3 years. But I think New York show that 545 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,880 there's just like a bunch of younger runners out there who 546 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,080 are coming into the marathon. So where do you kind of see 547 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,720 yourself 'cause you, you're also, I guess what, you turn 32 548 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,280 next year? 32 right now. 549 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,240 Yeah. So you're 33 next year. 550 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:12,960 Like where do you kind of see yourself? 551 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,440 You have that mix of experience. And then at the same time, now, 552 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:20,360 you know, having proven yourself at a world marathon major, where 553 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,040 do you kind of see yourself among like the American 554 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:26,400 marathoners right now? And does it start to feel a 555 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,320 little bit, it does feel a little bit wide open for, you 556 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,960 know, two of the three spots if assuming right, like disaster 557 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,680 doesn't strike for Connor over the next 2-3 years. 558 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,680 Yeah, I mean, it's a long ways away. 559 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,480 So I will see where things are going. 560 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:45,000 Obviously, American distance running has has been steadily 561 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,640 picking up. So I think I think it'll be a 562 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,560 very, very competitive race. I think I think there'll be a 563 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,000 lot of people in the mix. There's you at Minnesota 564 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,720 Distance Elite who just had this breakout. 565 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,600 But I feel like because there is like a good group, like crop of 566 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,320 guys that you train with, who's next? 567 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,560 Who do you think is going to pop off next from the group? 568 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:08,320 From our team, it'll be exciting to see Murga's marathon debut. 569 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:11,560 He's been putting in a lot of work and then J PS also been 570 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:16,240 putting in a lot of work too. So in the marathon like I I 571 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,040 expect those guys to do a lot like if they've been working 572 00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:22,560 really hard for it. Elena is going to have a good 573 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,200 day too. She she wanted a little more at 574 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,520 New York, kind of struggled with stomach issues at the end, but 575 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,280 her workouts have been looking really good, too. 576 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,120 I guess some of the final things I got to ask about just too is 577 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,560 just sort of the hair. You got so many compliments for 578 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:40,160 the the long flowing locks and just letting it all flow all 579 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,600 throughout. How long has this been a thing 580 00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,480 for you? Pretty much since like college, 581 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,800 I think I cut it short like right before college and then 582 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:49,720 just kind of grown it out since then. 583 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,480 I guess what have you found works best like it? 584 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,720 It's just sort of letting it all hang loose and and flow on race 585 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:57,120 day. Has it? 586 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,400 Have you ever, just like, I don't know, has aerodynamics 587 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,800 ever crossed your mind? Do? 588 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,560 Not really aerodynamics but if it is like windy or hot I'll put 589 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,680 the top half of it up. So I'll do like half a pony. 590 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,560 I don't like putting it all up because it's kind of heavy and I 591 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,640 feel like it bounces around and it's more annoying. 592 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,760 What is your your hair care routine? 593 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,080 Pretty simple, I just every once in a while use some conditioner 594 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,720 and then I'll use some like head and shoulders as needed if my my 595 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,240 scalp gets a little bit irritated. 596 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,560 There we go. I think like I think when we 597 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,360 were discussing it on like our watch along broadcast, Aisha 598 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,760 probably was expecting like a very, you know, long sort of 599 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,880 routine. But no, that's it's it and you 600 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:42,080 take great care of it. Joel, what's next for you? 601 00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,720 Like do you have anything I guess now enjoy break for sure. 602 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,240 We're still kind of figuring that out. 603 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,160 I need to reach out to Boston, see see if they'll do that or I 604 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,520 don't want to go back to Grandma's full again. 605 00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:01,880 So might, I might try and do both and see what happens. 606 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,440 That's a lot quicker turn around than I've ever done. 607 00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,000 I know Dakota's done it before, but you got to be able to bounce 608 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,560 back pretty quick to be able to do that. 609 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:13,440 You were eighth, I think, at the US Cross country championships 610 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:17,640 earlier this year or last year. Last year I think. 611 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,240 And obviously there's a big one next month. 612 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,640 Too tight of a turn around. Yeah, I wish I could, but. 613 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,440 I can't. It's my first thought when I was 614 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:29,760 just like O2 time all American in cross country. 615 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,480 It's South Dakota state. I was like, wait a second. 616 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,240 I was like, we got cross country next month. 617 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,240 Could Joel recover in time to just get out on the course and 618 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,280 do it? That's way too quick for me, but 619 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:44,280 that'll be fun to watch. Definitely. 620 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:48,040 Well Jill, wishing you all the best of luck in your recovery 621 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:55,640 and big, big stuff ahead in 20/26/2027 and hoping for some 622 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,000 more fireworks at the at the next trials. 623 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,400 But congratulations on a big run in New York. 624 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,680 Thank you, I appreciate it. Thank you all for listening to 625 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,520 this episode. This episode was produced by 626 00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,000 Jasmine Fair. I love doing this for you guys. 627 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,000 So please do me a favor and leave a five star view on Apple 628 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,159 Podcast or Spotify. That helps us grow the show and 629 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:17,000 get even more awesome guests. Let me know what you're enjoying 630 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:18,960 about the show. 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