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We had some NCAA records fall 50 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,880 out over at the Brian Clay Invitational. 51 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,040 To be honest, I didn't watch much of that live. 52 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,560 I was definitely catching some of the results on Twitter and on 53 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:57,280 Instagram as they were taking place because my focus was 54 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,720 mostly on the Boston Marathon that was that took place 55 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:04,480 yesterday. It was an incredible day. 56 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:08,200 Near perfect conditions, temperatures in the low 40s, 57 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,520 nine mile per hour tailwind out of the West absolutely turned 58 00:03:12,640 --> 00:03:17,480 the Boston Marathon into a historic day John career setting 59 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:23,120 a course record. 16 of the top 20 finishers all ran personal 60 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:25,120 best. You had Sharon Lochetti 61 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:31,720 defending her title after making a crazy move from 35K to 40K in 62 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,640 1448. What is insane? 63 00:03:34,640 --> 00:03:40,960 Split and Jess McClain once again pulled out another top 64 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,840 American finish. On the men's side, we had Zuhair 65 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,200 Talbi as the top American, which will unpack a little bit of just 66 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,320 sort of like the confusion that now happens with who is the 67 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:54,240 fastest American marathoner out there. 68 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:57,440 So we'll get to the Boston Marathon. 69 00:03:57,440 --> 00:03:59,960 But first, Preet, I guess like, let's knock out just some 70 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,520 results and stories from the past week. 71 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:06,720 I'll give you just sort of maybe a gut reaction to some of these 72 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,720 things because I haven't maybe dove in as carefully, but what 73 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,880 you got from me. Well, I mean, I think pretty 74 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:18,519 much anyone who's anyone on the Sprint scene in the 100 and 200 75 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,079 opened up their season this weekend, if they hadn't already. 76 00:04:22,280 --> 00:04:26,280 We had the likes of Shakari and and Melissa Jefferson wooden 77 00:04:26,280 --> 00:04:31,280 running a relay, but we had Noah Lyles opening pre season in 1991 78 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:36,360 for 200 and then participating in a 37 second 4 by 1 relay as 79 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,920 well. There were three US teams that 80 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:42,760 that ran 37 in the, in the four by one, which is very 81 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:47,360 impressive. We we then had, you know, we had 82 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,560 Jordan Anthony running 991 as well, which is again a very 83 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,400 impressive start to his outdoor season. 84 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:54,680 Yeah. So can I just jump in real 85 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,200 quick? And I think of those so far, 86 00:04:57,600 --> 00:04:58,400 Yeah. I mean, that was kind of 87 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,640 expected. I do respect just, you know, 88 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:05,080 Shakira Richardson and, and some of these other sprinters, I 89 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:06,960 guess, like knowing their worth and being like, you know what, 90 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,280 I'm going to save it for the Diamond League openers in, in 91 00:05:11,280 --> 00:05:14,880 China to be able to showcase what I could do. 92 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:17,480 Because it was I guess the what a lot of talk beforehand that 93 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:20,400 she was going to do the 200 against like Dean, Asher Smith 94 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,920 and and everyone that was there. Yes, yeah, yeah, absolutely. 95 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,240 But yeah, that that that that didn't materialize. 96 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:28,680 Her and Christian Coleman were both due to run the 200 97 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,360 originally and all were were listed on the start list for the 98 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,600 200, but then announced on Twitter that they were they were 99 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:36,160 not going to do it. I. 100 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:40,560 Liked Noah's opener, just kind of like for that one, it was Max 101 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:43,240 Thomas, I think was the one who really pushed him to the finish 102 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:44,520 line. Max Thomas is stringing together 103 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,480 really strong start to the 2026 outdoor season. 104 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,160 And for Noah to kind of respond the way he did in the later 105 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,840 stages of the race that I ended up kind of watching briefly on 106 00:05:54,840 --> 00:05:57,800 Twitter, I thought that was just sort of like a all right, you 107 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,680 know, you're the rookie, I'm the vet. 108 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:03,400 And it was good for him to kind of put his foot down there. 109 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,240 But no, Max Thomas is not afraid of anybody right now. 110 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,800 Yeah, exactly. And then then we had some really 111 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,240 impressive high school performances. 112 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:16,760 Jay Cody Jordan GB and Tate Taylor in sorry, Jay Cody Jordan 113 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:23,240 in the 100 I think ran 994 was it 984 Windy and Tate Taylor 114 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:27,800 around 20 O 4 in the 200. So they were very impressive and 115 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,920 then they were on the relays with the pros as well, knocking 116 00:06:30,920 --> 00:06:34,600 out these 37 second times. So, so good experience for them, 117 00:06:34,840 --> 00:06:37,400 although not entirely sure why they had a Brit on this relay. 118 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,000 They don't really need to practice with a Brit, but I'm 119 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:42,360 not going to complain. But. 120 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:48,480 Here, here's the thing that like for as much crap as people give 121 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:54,640 gout gout for some of the times that he runs, I I feel like 122 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:58,440 people should give some of these American high school sprinters 123 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,280 crap for always running these crazy wind dated times. 124 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:04,720 And like no one really knocks him from the outside world, 125 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,120 right? Like I feel like so many people 126 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,720 are critical of gout gout. But then, like, you'll see these 127 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,200 high school performances out of Texas or in Florida when it's 128 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,000 not when legal, and they capture all these sort of headlines 129 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:21,920 domestically here. But then no one really kind of 130 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:27,280 pans out like at least like in the pro ranks come US 131 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:29,800 Championship season. So, so I think outside of the 132 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:34,520 US, the general attitude is until they do this outside of 133 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:38,920 essentially the US, outside of Florida, Texas and Eugene, we 134 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:43,520 ignore these kind of silly times because we just don't know. 135 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:47,520 And I think Jordan Anthony as an example, right, going into wild 136 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:49,880 indoors, that's what everyone thought. 137 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:52,520 Like do we think he's going to be able to do it on the world 138 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:54,720 stage? And he obviously proved he could 139 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:58,280 and he did and he delivered. But but obviously with a lot of 140 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,720 these other sort of high school sprinters, etcetera, that people 141 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,280 outside of the US may not have heard of and some of these up 142 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:06,760 and coming coming athletes, maybe Max Thomas, whoever else 143 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:11,240 it might be, it's not you know, I'm sure they they're really, 144 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:12,840 they, they're clearly really good sprinters. 145 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,680 But but obviously there, there's some sort of magic that occurs. 146 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,960 It's early season, it's April. That's the other part of it. 147 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,280 Like should you pay any attention to what anyone's doing 148 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,840 in April, you know, compared to what they do in June, July, you 149 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:29,440 know, and, and, and when the kind of championships season 150 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,600 comes around later on, that's kind of when we start to pay 151 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:36,440 attention to people. So you know, yes, there's and, 152 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:39,159 and that's why equally I'm not paying that much attention to 153 00:08:39,159 --> 00:08:43,559 Dina Asher Smith's 23 second 200 that she ran as an opener. 154 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:47,760 And and I think like Amy Hunt also like she was actually very 155 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:51,640 pleased with the 22 six opener because it is .4 of a second 156 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,960 faster than she she ran a 23 second opener last year. 157 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,640 So she was actually genuinely very pleased with it. 158 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:01,040 So I think it's context as well of people who are coming off an 159 00:09:01,040 --> 00:09:04,840 indoor season, all of that. And so you can't compare people 160 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,480 as well in this kind of time period as well. 161 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,680 And sometimes, you know, and, and that's kind of one of the 162 00:09:11,680 --> 00:09:13,600 things I was going to come on to next, but I'll let you react to 163 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,040 that first. Yeah, no, I'm just, you know, 164 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:19,320 I'm in agreement with you here of just sort of like it is just, 165 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,200 I guess Americans are just louder online at knocking yuck 166 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,480 out versus the rest of the world silently just sort of like, all 167 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,320 right. Another Americans run fast. 168 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:32,960 Do we care? Well, and also I suppose the 169 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,560 other reason is we know that for the most part, and obviously 170 00:09:35,560 --> 00:09:39,600 World Ultimate Championships is, is different, but any other 171 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,760 championship, we know there's going to be a maximum of three 172 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:43,920 Americans. So we know there's going to be 3 173 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:45,720 fasten Americans. We don't really care which. 174 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,120 Yeah, and. The top 1% is just so good that, 175 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,800 like, they're not fazed by a high schooler breaking that up. 176 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,000 Although Christian Miller came close couple years ago and Noah 177 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,400 Lyles and Michael Norman did back in 2016. 178 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:57,120 Yeah. Yeah. 179 00:09:58,280 --> 00:09:59,600 Exactly. And like, yeah, it doesn't 180 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:01,880 matter. Like so like whichever Americans 181 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:03,840 turn up to a championship, we know they're going to be strong 182 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:06,880 contenders to reach the final to get medals. 183 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,320 That that's a fact. But there's three of them. 184 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,600 So you know that like sort of deal with it kind of thing, 185 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:13,880 maybe 4 if it's a world championship. 186 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,160 So that's kind of how how I think the rest of the world 187 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,160 looks at it. And therefore, like, we'll pay 188 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,880 attention when we see them out there on the circuit and when we 189 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:25,600 see them at a championship. But but not. 190 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:26,440 Really. What else you got? 191 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:30,800 So I think a couple of interesting ones that are 192 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,440 obviously, I think the biggest 1 really is Elaine Thompson Hera 193 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:41,040 1092, which is a really impressive, you know, opener 194 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:46,840 given the fact this was her first 100m race in nearly two 195 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,520 years. She she ran a 200 a week or two 196 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:54,440 ago, but this is her first first 100 and it's a sub 11 and it's a 197 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,000 solid, it's a really, really solid opener. 198 00:10:57,000 --> 00:11:00,600 And barring something else that happened at Tom Jones, it would 199 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,360 have been the the World League right now. 200 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:06,960 So. Did it look like she was finally 201 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,440 sponsored by anyone? I think she's still sponsored, 202 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,800 but she. She had clashing, she had 203 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:17,280 clashing, she had like I think Adidas spikes and her Puma kit 204 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,840 earlier in the season. Oh, OK. 205 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,440 I, I, yeah, I, yeah, I think I paid attention to that. 206 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,560 She didn't have her great start. That's what I noticed. 207 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,800 And she still kind of came through and, and, and took the 208 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:31,000 win. So that's also scary, right, 209 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,560 That she ran 1092 with a really poor start, so. 210 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,600 The way on is starting to scoop up sprinters for them to sign 211 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:39,960 someone like Elaine Thompson, her other. 212 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:42,040 I mean, they've got a King Blake, so they're they have a 213 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:45,320 presence out in Jamaica. Although like for if you're now, 214 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:49,240 then if you think if you're Elaine Thompson, you're just 215 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:52,040 sort of like, well, I'm starting to do well in this product. 216 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,520 Like is it going to translate over if I just all of a sudden 217 00:11:54,560 --> 00:11:56,080 switch and sign with a different brand? 218 00:11:56,560 --> 00:11:59,280 Yeah, because I think obviously Puma and added us are the ones 219 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,800 that are sort of competing for all the the top Jamaican 220 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:06,760 sprinters generally and and historically obviously Nike have 221 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,440 have likes of Shane Thompson, but yeah, ions. 222 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,440 Got the ONS trying to make, you know, kind of. 223 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:15,080 Trying to make a. Breakthrough in the sprints. 224 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,520 I mean, they just signed Jenna Prandini. 225 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,640 Yes, yes, all that, but I think Jenna Frandini, Elaine Thompson, 226 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,160 her is 2 slightly different kettles of fish here. 227 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:29,560 But as much as we love Jenna Frandini, but yeah, no, like I 228 00:12:29,560 --> 00:12:31,400 think that's really cool. Like she's going to World 229 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,440 Relays. In fact, Jamaican is sending 230 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:36,160 everybody to World Relays. The team's got released today. 231 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:38,640 Like every single top Jamaican sprinter is going to be a World 232 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:40,840 Relays, which is which is also good to see. 233 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:44,520 So yeah, that's exciting. I mean, yeah, likes of Oblique, 234 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,480 Seville, King, Blake, they all opened up with some 2 hundreds 235 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,160 and and stuff. So, so everyone's out there, 236 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:52,800 everyone's running. Michael Norman has. 237 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:54,920 Returned. He is back. 238 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,800 He ran a relay. He ran a relay split, apparently 239 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,320 a good relay split, according to police, Rose, who was there in 240 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:03,320 person and and witnessed it, witnessed it. 241 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:05,000 And he's got a new coaching set up. 242 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,720 He has moved to Texas and he's training under under coach flow. 243 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,920 Is that right? Yeah, so Edrick Florio and yeah, 244 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,560 if if people I got I think I I haven't watched it yet, but I I 245 00:13:17,560 --> 00:13:20,600 did see just sort of like that after it got clipped on Twitter 246 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:25,000 and I looked at the YouTube or YouTube like Paul got a pretty 247 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,720 good interview with him that kind of details a little bit of 248 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,800 this comeback. So I'll get I'll probably end up 249 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:35,240 watching it right after this. But yeah, he's it's good to see 250 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:36,840 him back. First first time racing since 251 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:38,640 the Tokyo Olympics. Yeah. 252 00:13:38,680 --> 00:13:41,840 No, no, no, no. Since the Paris Olympics, It was 253 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,400 the Tokyo Olympics. It would have been a long 254 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:44,000 layoff. Yeah. 255 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,160 Yeah, yeah, no. And I think he, he kind of said, 256 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,360 look, you know, he tried to fight through without having 257 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:52,920 surgery and then eventually just had to give up the ghost and, 258 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,520 and have surgery and and obviously left it quite late. 259 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,680 So hence the kind of time it's taken him for him to to come 260 00:13:59,680 --> 00:14:01,480 back. So you've watched the interview? 261 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,160 Yeah, I've watched the interview like. 262 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,240 Did you say anything about going back to the 100 because that was 263 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:07,680 sort of like where he wanted to go? 264 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,000 Yeah, I don't think he said anything about that. 265 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,920 I think he said like my aim is to finish season healthy and the 266 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:17,080 target is obviously LA. So like I think that's that's 267 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,160 his focus. Ultimately. 268 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,400 I think he's saying, look, I need to get through a healthy 269 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:22,000 season. That's my first target. 270 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,880 I don't think he said what what events he's going to be doing, 271 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:26,640 but I would be very surprised if he goes back to the 100. 272 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:30,560 But yeah, that that's very exciting. 273 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,000 Brian Lavelle ran 9.9 and he was obviously someone who who pulled 274 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:40,240 up injured at at was it somewhere a little while ago. 275 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:45,440 So it's so good to see him back. Gabby Thomas continued her quest 276 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,760 for sub 11 and ran into a -, 4 headwind in Ethiopia for her. 277 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:55,320 So she so she, she and the whole like whole of our training group 278 00:14:55,320 --> 00:15:01,040 went over to Ethiopia for for that Addis Ababa event on their 279 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:03,400 new track. Looks like a beautiful new track 280 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:04,920 out in. The end I was going to say that 281 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:07,240 that like the the atmosphere looked great. 282 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:12,320 The the only thing was I guess like so it's a bronze label 283 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:15,920 event, so it's going to attract people to go there for rankings 284 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:17,720 points. I feel like from there you can 285 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,560 create a nice little schedule for yourself of hitting Kenya 286 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:23,360 after this at the Cape Canyon Classic. 287 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,880 You know, you go to Botswana for either World Relays or they've 288 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,640 also got like I think the Botswana Grand Prix coming up. 289 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,040 So it it fits nicely in the schedule for this iconic place 290 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,000 that you know, has provided the sport with so many stars over 291 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,640 the years. Now the only thing is like, can 292 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,720 they convince their own stars to show up for the races right? 293 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:46,200 That was that was what was really weird about it to be 294 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,200 honest, because they had them all on the start list. 295 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,080 But we knew for example, Binyu Mihari, he was running a 10K on 296 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:56,680 the roads in Spain and wasn't going to, wasn't going to, 297 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:01,440 wasn't going to be there. So yeah, it was, it was very 298 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:02,960 weird. Like they had all their stars on 299 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:06,520 the start list and none of them showed up Other yeah, literally 300 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:11,920 in the 5K or in, in yeah, 5K on either side in the 1500. 301 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,080 Like nobody showed up and, and it was all and it was very 302 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:16,600 weird. And and the other weird thing 303 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,760 that then happened is as soon as the meat finished, they said, 304 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,120 woohoo, this went really well. We're going to make it a gold 305 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:23,840 meet next year. And that was obviously a 306 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,920 preordained announcement, but it does feel like the calibre of 307 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,200 the fields didn't quite merit that upgrades right off the bat. 308 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,480 And the commentator was also hilarious because he, bless him, 309 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,280 didn't know that all these guys, he was announcing all the 310 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:42,160 excitedly announcing all these Ethiopian stars. 311 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,200 And they obviously then weren't showing up on the start list. 312 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,320 And he was start line and he was very confused. 313 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:50,960 So you know that there was there was a lot of strange stuff going 314 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,520 on, but actually they had all their stars in the stands like 315 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:58,440 the Debarber sisters and Dorati Tulu and Mesut Afar and they had 316 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:04,200 their loads of their top legends of Ethiopian distance running in 317 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,720 the stands. So that was a nice day there. 318 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,000 I don't know about Bakali, but I think Solomon Braga was there. 319 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:12,599 Yeah. So there's a whole bunch of 320 00:17:12,599 --> 00:17:15,440 people there. And it was, it was, it looked 321 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:19,680 like a great meet, as I say, not perfect in, in everything like 322 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,599 in terms of but, but, you know, great start. 323 00:17:21,599 --> 00:17:23,680 And it looks like a really great facility that they've built 324 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,720 there. They've got statues of all their 325 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,480 Olympic medalists and stuff around that park and that 326 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:31,640 complex and it looks like a really cool, cool thing. 327 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,520 So, and it's great for a country like Ethiopia to actually have 328 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,360 that, given how much they have kind of dominated the the 329 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:42,240 distances in, in the sport. It is good that they have their 330 00:17:42,240 --> 00:17:45,840 own meet now and, and, and, and they can attract international 331 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,600 athletes as well to come run. But what was the name of the 332 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:53,440 meet officially? Was it Addis Ababa like their 333 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,480 bronze label meet? But so here's here's what I'm 334 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,600 getting at is the fact that like for year 2, now that you're 335 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:01,760 going to be gold label, we've got the Prefontaine Classic 336 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:07,560 here, it should be the Kenanesa Vikala Classic in Ethiopia, 337 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,640 although the guy no longer holds any world records. 338 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,560 So maybe they pick a different athlete. 339 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,800 Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I think they called it 340 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,160 the Addis Ababa Grand Prix. That was a fairly unexciting 341 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,400 name, but. You need a more exciting name, 342 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,560 so either you give it to Hilah giver Selassie, the highly 343 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:29,200 Gabriel Selassie because, but I think he's got a 10K already out 344 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:29,600 there. Yeah. 345 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,880 And then there's, yeah, there's the debaba. 346 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:34,640 The debabas can, can. Because the Debaba one would 347 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:38,560 encompass all of. Them yes yeah, exactly. 348 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,000 So that would be pretty cool but yeah no, I mean I I think 349 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:43,720 exciting. We've we've then, you know, I 350 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,440 think that Gabby Thomas is continuing African tour in, in 351 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:53,840 Kenya kept Kenya classic on I think it's on this weekend and 352 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,040 she actually switched. She was going to run the 400. 353 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:58,840 She's now running the 100 and 200 again, I think they put they 354 00:18:58,840 --> 00:19:03,240 put the 200 on the schedule especially and I'm guessing 355 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:07,240 she's continuing her quest for, for sub 11, which probably 356 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,560 explains the switch up because again that we know that meets 357 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,960 the altitude. We know our friend Ferdinand 358 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,880 Namiyala always runs a 97 there and and then. 359 00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:19,560 Then doesn't come close the rest of the season. 360 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,440 Season, yes. So, so, yeah, so there's a 361 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:29,280 little bit of that there, but then let's maybe move on to 362 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:36,400 collegians. So Simeon Birnbaum breaks the 363 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:43,200 NCAA record in the 1500 at the Oregon Team Invitational at at 364 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,600 Hayward Field. Very, very impressive run from 365 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,360 him and you know, breaks it by more than a second. 366 00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:57,960 Now I always I hate this because Adam Spencer ran 331 at the 367 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:02,280 London Diamond League, but it was while he was still an NCAA 368 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,480 athlete. But it was out of season, so it 369 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,920 didn't count. And I'm just like, I, I that, 370 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:12,040 that, yeah, it, it, it's so, so should that be a similar? 371 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,520 I don't know. But like, I, I, I, I kind of 372 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,120 that. That's what frustrates. 373 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,960 Track and field news or like who is it that just sort of decides 374 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,200 that? Because I, I, I know there's 375 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:27,680 that big sort of distinction between track and field news, 376 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,200 not recognizing high school marks once the athlete turns pro 377 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,880 into like, that was a whole thing for a while with like the 378 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:36,840 likes of Mary Kane and I guess now Cooper Luckenhouse. 379 00:20:36,840 --> 00:20:41,040 I don't know if they're counting his performances now as the high 380 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,200 school record, even though he's technically in high school, but 381 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,840 as a pro. So that's where just sort of 382 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:49,640 like if they were in college while they were doing it, it 383 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:54,640 should be the collegiate record or if like but it when did so 384 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,280 Adam Spencer was 2024 London Diamond League. 385 00:20:58,360 --> 00:20:59,120 I think so, yeah. And. 386 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,000 Then he came back that fall to run for that fall in. 387 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,480 Yeah, he did, Yeah, Yeah. Didn't he win the because he won 388 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,680 the NCAA title, didn't he, in the following year? 389 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,080 So. Yeah. 390 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,680 So I would guess that that should be the collegiate record, 391 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:17,680 but regardless. But it's not it's Lynn Murphy's 392 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,360 333 that was the collegiate record that was broken. 393 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:23,120 So there we are. As I say, I don't know the 394 00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:25,480 insurance and outs of it. And as I say, I really don't 395 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,480 want to because it just seems silly to me. 396 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:34,320 But but frankly, like, you know, as I say, like credit to him, he 397 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,640 like, you know, you don't. I mean, I kind of think he, I 398 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:41,200 mean, he did kind of have a pacer, but just the way he ran 399 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,960 that race, the way he, he ran that, that race was, was really, 400 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,040 really impressive. And to run a 331 like, you know, 401 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,240 at any stage of season from the front is, is not easy. 402 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,440 And, and especially as a collegian, you know, it's, it's 403 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:01,520 hugely impressive. So give him, give him props for 404 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,640 that one. The the place that we're at 405 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,640 right now with the NCAA is just sort of like everyone's capable 406 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:09,920 of, you know, if you're in at the top level of especially the 407 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,880 1500 and 5K, like you're able to run fast times that would be or 408 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:20,120 keep up with a lot of the pros. And it makes it honestly really 409 00:22:20,120 --> 00:22:24,160 hard for these upcoming years of team selections, right? 410 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:31,080 Like, does, you know, you could end up seeing the yard, I guess, 411 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,680 like, had a rough one last year where he missed the team. 412 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,880 Cole almost missed the team. He ended up finishing, you know, 413 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,040 third by, you know, the luckiest, you know, kick. 414 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:49,520 But, you know, would it shock me if 2/3 of the 1500 team for next 415 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:54,360 year in Beijing are kids in college now? 416 00:22:54,360 --> 00:22:55,800 No. And that's sort of like what 417 00:22:56,120 --> 00:23:02,160 happened, you know, in 2021, especially with a yard and coal 418 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,840 making that team where I'm starting to think, you know, the 419 00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,640 shelf life of how many of these 1500 guys can stay at the very 420 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,560 top, especially in a competitive country like the United States, 421 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:13,680 is going to start to get shorter and shorter. 422 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,480 And we might just have just more turnover and mix among the 423 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,320 teams. And now Birnbaum has thrown 424 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,480 himself sort of like in that conversation. 425 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,440 But now the question is, what's like, what does that look like 426 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,480 come A championship season when you've got to go through 427 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,560 multiple rounds? And then what we've seen in the 428 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,800 past is maybe he's, but he's also super young. 429 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:37,520 Let's remember that. And he's kind of stacking that 430 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:41,760 sort of experience. But how is he going to be at a 431 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,840 championship like that remains yet to be seen. 432 00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,880 Yeah, but at but at the same time I think he, you know, his 433 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:54,520 previous personal best was 337 and he lowered it by what is 434 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,200 that 5 point? Yeah, 5.3 seconds. 435 00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:58,960 So. But what would you say was the? 436 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,280 But I imagine he's run more miles and I think that's 437 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:03,640 probably, that's probably why, right? 438 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,880 He's run, he's run, he's run the fast miles, but he hasn't run 439 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:09,360 the 15 quite as much, right. So maybe that's. 440 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:11,360 But I'm also kind of looking to see just sort of like when 441 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,520 when's the last time he entered a 1500? 442 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,160 That would be quick. And I'm not really seeing a 443 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,560 whole lot like he was in the bowerman. 444 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,560 He was in the bowerman. Oh no, he was in the 445 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:25,400 Invitational mile at the pre classic last year. 446 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,240 But and he finished ninth in that in 356. 447 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:35,840 But before that is 15 hundreds of All in all of 2025 were at a 448 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,880 championship. It's the big 10's, the West 449 00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,960 regional Ncas. Let's if I let's scroll back to 450 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,000 2024, only one 1500 there because I guess that was the 451 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:51,240 season that he redshirted. And then going back to 2023, he 452 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:55,720 was in high school. So yeah, this is the first time 453 00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,480 we get to see Simeon in an all out time trial 1500 and in yeah, 454 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,200 331's very impressive. It's kind of in line just sort 455 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,280 of with what the top guys at the NCA could run. 456 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,360 I think there's maybe two or three other guys who can run 457 00:25:09,360 --> 00:25:12,680 330-1332 right now. What I particularly like 458 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,720 because, you know, Birnbaum was a high school phenom and so not 459 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:20,440 a lot. This performance doesn't shock a 460 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,520 lot of people. I'm pushing Trent McFarlane 461 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:29,560 stock right now on folks like I think he's a really, really good 462 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:31,840 talent that we just quite haven't seen at the mile 463 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:33,800 indoors. He just didn't quite get the 464 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,320 tactics tactics right, left himself a little bit too much 465 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:41,680 work to do, you know, in the closing lap of of there and he 466 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:46,720 ends up finishing third. But what what his Birnbaum's 467 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,400 performance just did was it totally, I think kind of put a 468 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,840 little bit of a shadow over the fact that over in Winston Salem 469 00:25:54,240 --> 00:26:02,400 at the Wake Forest Invitational, he ran McFarland ran 33317. 470 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:07,160 So I like this kid a lot. I'm I'm banging the drum for 471 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,960 him. So I'm hoping to be proven right 472 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,440 by the by come later this year that he's going to be one of the 473 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,120 best in this class. Yeah, I mean, I think someone 474 00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:25,400 shared, shared the shared the the top list of, of 1500s on our 475 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:27,320 on crazy. It's crazy. 476 00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:31,680 Like it's, it's one of the top 16 was like 336 or 337 or 477 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,760 something. And it's still, you know, still 478 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,120 a couple of months out from NCAA's. 479 00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:38,400 So you know, that's only going to get quicker. 480 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,840 I imagine so. So to qualify for NCAA's, I 481 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,680 imagine or qualify 3 regionals. It's it's going to be tough. 482 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,280 It's going to be tough all round. 483 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:50,880 And yeah, I mean, it's good to see the standard going up and, 484 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,240 you know, then and that's, that's kind of what we've been 485 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,200 expecting. And it does feel like the times, 486 00:26:55,800 --> 00:27:00,120 like the times, like the times in the NCAA have not been quick 487 00:27:00,120 --> 00:27:02,800 as we like the record was 333, right? 488 00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,920 But but we're now seeing the sort of NCAA like the times 489 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,040 catch up as well a little bit to to the rest of the world, which 490 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,880 I think which I think is really good, right? 491 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,400 Because I think sometimes we then send these collegians out 492 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,080 onto the world stage and they're like, they've not really been in 493 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,360 these fast races. So I think it is it is a good 494 00:27:20,360 --> 00:27:23,920 thing for them to to be running, running, you know, these 495 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,360 tactical 15 hundreds at a pace pace that is more likely to be 496 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,080 the pace of a tactical 1500 out there in the in the wild, in, 497 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,240 in, in on the on the sort of more global stage. 498 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,040 So. Yeah. 499 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,840 Well, I mean, this goes back to the point I was making last week 500 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,200 where it's like the NCAA is very important. 501 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,800 We've come and and at the end, like final point on this 1500 502 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:50,400 performance by Simeon Birnbaum is that we have come a long way 503 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:56,560 since the 335.53 American collegiate record that was run 504 00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:02,280 back in May 14th, 2012 on that famous track at Swarthmore 505 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,240 College. So yeah, I I have no idea where 506 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:13,360 Kyle is on the 1500 US list collegiate list nowadays, but 507 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,880 must be buried I think. Pretty far down, Pretty far 508 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:19,720 down. All right. 509 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:21,320 And then we had another collegiate record, right? 510 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:27,440 Jane Hedingren Yep, in the 5000 meters at Brian Clay and she ran 511 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,600 Oh God this is but this one was in 50. 512 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,960 Yeah, so slower than she did indoors. 513 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,720 Indeed, it is slower than she did indoors, but this is the 514 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,920 outdoor record. Park of Albie now has 0 515 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,960 collegiate records. That was her last 1, I think, 516 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:47,000 but which which I think is, is also crazy to say, right? 517 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,000 Because when we were watching Parker Varby break those 518 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,680 collegiate records and how impressed we were by her 519 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,440 performances. And now, like Jane Henningham 520 00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:01,120 runs 1450, we're like, whatever. And like, she's a freshman 521 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,600 still. She's still a freshman and she's 522 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:08,960 still only 19 and like she's hit every performance out of the 523 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,880 park. She's won two NCAA titles. 524 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:15,880 She came second at cross and she's broken the 10K, the 5K 525 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,920 indoors and out. You know, she's like, it's it's, 526 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,760 it's wildly impressive. But now it's like because she 527 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:28,560 ran 1450 and not 1440 or 1430 something, we're we're probably 528 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:31,480 shrugging our shoulders at this performance, which is which I 529 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:36,040 think just just goes to show how how impressive she is and how 530 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,280 high our expectations of her have risen. 531 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:40,800 Well, it's also the framing around it. 532 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,080 Like I think when Parker did it, it was like, oh, here's the 533 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,560 first Collegian to go under 15 or whatever it was. 534 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,400 And so like, those things are, you know, easier to put out 535 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,280 there and blow people's minds. And now with Jane, sort of like 536 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:57,240 she ran faster indoors. And so this was expected at this 537 00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,360 point. Also, maybe pick a weekend where 538 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,880 it's not as busy as like Boston Marathon weekend and you might 539 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,280 get a little bit more of a spotlight. 540 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:09,800 So no, a great performance and she's obviously like a favorite 541 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,680 for both the 15 for the 5K and 10K titles. 542 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,440 Come outdoors. Yeah, exactly. 543 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,200 And and obviously, yeah, it depends what Doris Lemon Gole 544 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,040 does, but but obviously. She's the steeple, right? 545 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,880 You assume she's going to do the steeple. 546 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,320 Would she double with A5 Ki? Don't know, but but I, I seem 547 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:32,760 possibly not so yeah. And, and apparently Hampton 548 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,560 Samuel also broke the collegiate record, but albeit by a fraction 549 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,640 in the 5000 meters at the same meet he ran 30, you know, 347. 550 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:45,400 So so which, you know, reduced his his lowered his record by a 551 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,360 fraction of a second, so. Yeah, Hampton at this point was 552 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:52,440 sort of like, you know, snagging all these things that are 553 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,920 setting him up very nicely to turn pro. 554 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:59,640 I know he's got tons of eligibility left, but he could 555 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:02,320 he'll get a good contract, I think following this outdoor 556 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:06,400 season if he chooses to make the full transition over to the pro 557 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,160 ranks. And the the toughest part with 558 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,240 him is just sort of the national championship thing where he's 559 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,640 not quite eligible to represent the United States yet. 560 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,480 And you know, that actually brings up a topic that we'll 561 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,440 talk about shortly. But two more performances to 562 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:27,080 highlight right a Deja Hodge obviously 1077, which before I 563 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:30,360 guess when you hinted that Elaine Thompson's performance 564 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,600 would, have, you know, gotten more praise had it not been for 565 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,440 this one. This is 1077 by Deja Hodge, 566 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,040 Sinise Walker 10/10/80 out in Florida as well. 567 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:44,440 So yeah, Deja is carrying over just sort of all that momentum 568 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:49,000 from the indoor season right into outdoors with those that 569 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:53,120 fast 200 opener. Now this 1077, I did see some 570 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,800 discourse online about just sort of like the uneasiness I think 571 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,480 that people are having with just sort of her performance. 572 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:03,040 And we talked about this right after the positive test. 573 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:08,720 News is it's like, I think sure. I mean like there are people who 574 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,800 can feel the effects of taking a banned substance in their system 575 00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,560 for a long time. I don't quite know, just sort of 576 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:24,600 if the science is out there for GW15, whatever it is the the 577 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,560 substance that she tested positive for. 578 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,800 But at the same time, I, I think I keep remembering that I think 579 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:36,640 she was a victim of, you know, her situation with coach Gerald 580 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,040 Fury. And so, yeah, I don't think that 581 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,840 there was any sort of malicious intent in however, she ended up 582 00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:49,320 getting roped into this. But I understand people who are 583 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:54,520 having trouble just sort of probably cheering this on like 584 00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:01,040 or celebrating it. But yeah, so it's it's 585 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,360 uncomfortable for. Everybody, yeah. 586 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:05,560 And I think I think that's the thing, Like it's, it's, it's 587 00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,160 important to remember she's a child. 588 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,680 She's served a ban. And, you know, and, and 589 00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,000 according to all athletics rules, like she provided 590 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,960 substantial assistance, they reduced her ban, even though 591 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,640 like normally when someone is banned for, for taking a banned 592 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,120 substance, it's three to four years. 593 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,240 Normally it's four years and reduced to three if you admit 594 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,800 the violation and then can be reduced further if you, if you 595 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,360 obviously cooperate. And, and, and that's what Adeja 596 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,240 Hodge did. And, and also, yes, she, she was 597 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,720 a child. It wasn't probably as much, you 598 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,520 know, as in I don't think anyone thinks that it was as much her 599 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,320 fault. And I think in that sense, we 600 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,960 need to give her grace and, and kind of, you know, that space. 601 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:50,480 But I think the issue that we have is for her competitors, 602 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,920 like, you know, she's legitimately competing, like she 603 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:55,720 served a ban, like in accordance with the rules. 604 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,760 That's, you know, that there's actually got absolutely every 605 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,600 right to be competing. And I don't think there's 606 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:02,880 there's any problem with that. But I think there's a wider 607 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,320 context of should the rules work slightly differently in a 608 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,440 circumstance like this where and that's that's the problem, as 609 00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:13,040 you mentioned, I'm not sure what the science is, but when someone 610 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:16,600 comes back from from a ban and starts running this quickly, 611 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,560 that's where people are going to have questions, right? 612 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,000 And they're going to say, well, is the benefit of that 613 00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,639 performance enhancing drug still there? 614 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:28,120 And obviously when it's three or four years, you'd think, you 615 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,080 know, there's still some people that come back and you think 616 00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:35,159 maybe, but I think it it, it's fewer and further between. 617 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,800 But obviously she's also very young, right? 618 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,000 So she's going to have a huge, large improvement trajectory in 619 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,600 like if she hasn't raced in in a year and a half, two years, 620 00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,960 she's going to have a large improvement trajectory. 621 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,920 She's going to get a lot better. But again, the time that she ran 622 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,199 is .02 off the the Shakari Richardson collegiate record of 623 00:34:53,199 --> 00:34:58,280 1075. So you know, it's very tough. 624 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,000 It's very tough. It's a very tough situation. 625 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,560 And and the bit that is difficult is what about, you 626 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,760 know, she served her punishment and and she's very much entitled 627 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,920 to compete. But is there a separate side of 628 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:16,400 this of is it fair to the competition or not, right? 629 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,600 And is there something there? And, and I don't, you know, it's 630 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,760 difficult to say, right? You, we don't know. 631 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,560 And, and that's the problem. That's almost worse, right? 632 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,400 That we don't know. And we could be very, very being 633 00:35:28,400 --> 00:35:31,160 very, very unfair if, if, if people go around saying that. 634 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,000 So I don't think we want to say that. 635 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,680 I think we want to say, look, you know, she served a time, you 636 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,600 know, we, we, she's legitimately competing and she's racing 637 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,000 really well. So I think that's what we can 638 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,120 do. And, you know, and, and, you 639 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,360 know, just appreciate the fact that she is still still a child. 640 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,600 She's still still a teenager and she's still very young. 641 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:56,400 And and you know, we don't, we don't want that to kind of be 642 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,800 hanging over her because it is, is very tough for someone so 643 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,320 young in that sort of situation. Yeah, I know at the top of my 644 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,320 head, like I could think of several athletes who have served 645 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:11,400 3618 months bands for either a positive test for a banned 646 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,880 substance or whereabouts failure. 647 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,200 And then they come back soon after and they have these 648 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:21,000 performances and they are celebrated because sometimes 649 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,880 they set national records or they, you know, earn Olympic or 650 00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:30,800 world championship medals. And so, yeah, I mean, Deja's 651 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:34,480 doing it right now at the NCA level. 652 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,640 And yeah, I, she served her time. 653 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,520 She's back. Like we had to grapple with the 654 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:45,520 same exact thing around Shelby a while back, and so not that long 655 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:50,200 ago last year. And so, yeah, I mean, she's 656 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:52,600 eligible to compete and she's going to put up results. 657 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:54,800 Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. 658 00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,960 One last result actually that I I forgot to put on our list, but 659 00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:04,000 I wanted to mention Slovenia's Clara Lukan broke the European 660 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,680 10K record again because I know we talked about this a couple of 661 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,360 times, but she's the first European woman to run sub 30 for 662 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,200 10K on the roads, run 2950 to break the where in. 663 00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,360 Spain. Did she do this? 664 00:37:15,720 --> 00:37:22,120 This was Laredo with Rutavilla de Laredo in Laredo in Spain. 665 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,160 Oh, in Lisbon. It wasn't, of course it was in 666 00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,400 Spain. It was a 10K road race in Spain. 667 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:33,240 Binyamahari was also going for the world record of 2624. 668 00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:37,120 He, he missed that, but but you know, struggled a little bit 669 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,680 with a win and stuff, but he won. 670 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,520 He, he still won the race run, ran sub 272655. 671 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:46,600 So that's, that's again, very impressive for him. 672 00:37:47,240 --> 00:37:50,520 This episode of the City Smack Podcast is supported by Wahoo. 673 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,360 You've got 26.2 miles of work. Heartbreak Hill. 674 00:37:55,440 --> 00:38:00,320 The Newton Hills, that long grinding stretch from mile 16 to 675 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,120 20. 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Like in the same way that the BU 719 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,640 track people who are inspecting just sort of like where it's 720 00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,880 platformed on and like what, what it's made-up of. 721 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,960 So we we should learn more about just how Spain has built its 722 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,320 streets and what's under, what's underneath. 723 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:42,640 Yeah. I mean, I think there's a little 724 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,960 bit of perfect conditions at that at that time of morning in 725 00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:51,480 Spain like because you know, there's, there's relatively 726 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,200 little wind there's. I've never been. 727 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,360 Perfect sounds awesome. Perfect. 728 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,320 Perfect temperature, like obviously in the day it gets 729 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,040 very warm, but obviously when you run races early in the 730 00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:09,480 morning, it's yeah, it's still very, it's still perfect 731 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,920 temperatures for running, especially like a 10K or 732 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,840 something. It's not, it's not, it's not 733 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:15,920 super cool, but it's but it's perfect. 734 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,040 Like, yeah. So I I think, I think that's 735 00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,720 what it is. In fact, another person of 736 00:41:20,720 --> 00:41:25,520 interest in this race was Esther Pfeiffer, who is the the other 737 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,120 half of Henrik Pfeiffer, who we're going to talk about a lot 738 00:41:28,120 --> 00:41:31,240 in the in the Boston Marathon. I'm never. 739 00:41:31,240 --> 00:41:32,960 Going to talk a lot about. Him I didn't buy it for a. 740 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,360 Little bit, yeah, a little bit. But yeah, yeah, we, we brought 741 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,600 him up I guess during the watch along. 742 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,360 I was wondering if his wife was in Boston and either like had 743 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:41,040 participated in the 5K or something. 744 00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,480 So that's where she was at. So she was, she was not yeah, 745 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,480 she was in the 10K here, so. All right, well that was this 746 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,160 weekend in results. I guess. 747 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,640 One news story we'll touch on right before we get into our 748 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:59,080 Boston Marathon recap is last week World Athletics rejected 11 749 00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,680 applications for transfers of allegiance from athletes from a 750 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,440 variety of different countries, some of them Jamaican, some of 751 00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,920 them Kenyan. There was a Russian on there as 752 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,920 well, notable names. You had Roger Stona, you had 753 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:18,840 Jaden Hibbert, you had Bridget Cosguy, who I guess the report 754 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,720 was wrong. I think a couple months ago they 755 00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:25,760 said it would be Kazakhstan and instead she was one of the 756 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,200 people who was looking to switch over to Turkey. 757 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:34,480 And then the biggest one, I think that was also favour of 758 00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,400 Fili from Nigeria was among those rejected. 759 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:40,720 So World Athletics basically came down on on this as being 760 00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:45,120 like, no, it's clear that these athletes are doing this because 761 00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,680 they're getting, you know, a big lump sum of money from Turkey to 762 00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,120 make the switch. So they sign up, you know, they 763 00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:54,920 buy probably property to establish themselves as 764 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,920 residents and citizens of Turkey. 765 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:02,600 And then they belong to a club, you know, the club system that 766 00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:06,760 they have for athletics out there, similar to some of these 767 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,680 countries in Spain where you belong to some of these clubs 768 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,920 and you compete for them. And then the Turkish federation 769 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,600 had even been so public to not only is there sort of like a 770 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,080 signing bonus, but then there's bonuses along the way if you're 771 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,840 able to bring the country, you know, world championship or 772 00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,560 Olympic medals. So it's a big just sort of pay 773 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:32,400 for play initiative to bring Turkey some sporting glory. 774 00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,800 And this isn't all that different from what we've seen 775 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:42,360 in in past years from the likes of Qatar and from Bahrain. 776 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:45,840 You see a lot of former Kenyans running and representing 777 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,600 Bahrain. But the difference here was it 778 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,520 was just all these people applying it at the same time to 779 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,880 sit out the the transition period that would make them 780 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:02,520 eligible just before the 2028 Olympics in Los Angeles. 781 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:07,040 So most of these athletes passed on the opportunity to race at 782 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,000 the World Championships last year because the clock had 783 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:11,880 started. And do you want that to start 784 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:16,680 sooner rather than later? And, you know, now the tough 785 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,400 part I think off of this is basically World Athletic said 786 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:25,080 like, all right, they cannot the, the, the switch, the 787 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:28,600 country flag switch is not going to happen on your profile. 788 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,760 And you're going to have to, you're going to remain eligible 789 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,280 to represent your original country. 790 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:40,320 And if you still want to go and, you know, compete for Turkey to 791 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:44,520 clubs in Turkey and compete in their national championships 792 00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,960 because many of them have residency or a place that they 793 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:52,760 can, you know, probably document and put down on paperwork as a 794 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,040 home address there, you're free to do that. 795 00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,240 But like as far as representing them at A at a global stage, 796 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:00,680 that's not going to happen. And that honestly puts the 797 00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,680 athletes in a very weird predicament to have to kind of 798 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,040 go back to their original country and face the music of 799 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,000 just sort of the awkwardness of like, I was about to go and 800 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,720 represent this other country for a lot of money. 801 00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:18,440 But hey, I'm back and I guess like I'll try and make the team 802 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:23,720 for 2027 in Beijing. And the World Athletics thing I 803 00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:28,240 think they're getting a lot of just sort of criticism for is 804 00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:31,600 that it doesn't really OfferUp any sort of solutions for many 805 00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:33,880 of the reasons why these athletes were making switches. 806 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:39,000 Some of them are athletes and field events where they don't 807 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:43,520 get any sort of support financially or when it comes to 808 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:45,920 the championships of bringing, being able to bring out their 809 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,720 coach or whatever from their original country. 810 00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:54,600 And so that was maybe some of the promise that they had from 811 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,000 Turkey. It's like, hey, you come switch 812 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,800 to us and like, we'll we'll take care of you, your coach and like 813 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,840 we'll pay you well. And that sounds like a great 814 00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,920 deal because what is it like if you are, you know, shot put 815 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,640 thrower in Jamaica, are you going to probably get that same 816 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,480 amount of attention and financial compensation? 817 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:21,040 Maybe not, probably not. And so now, like World Athletics 818 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,520 is not solving that, where it's like you are looking at a life 819 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:28,920 changing amount of money to do what you like to do, but now 820 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:31,920 that's sort of been taken away and you've got to go back to 821 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:35,200 your original circumstances. And so there are people who feel 822 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,120 for the athletes who are in that boat. 823 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,200 Faber of Feely has a very interesting case where the 824 00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,680 Nigerian Athletics Federation fucked up her eligibility to try 825 00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:49,480 and represent Nigeria at the Tokyo Olympics. 826 00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,080 And so she was left off that team entirely because they 827 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:54,640 weren't able to make sure that she got the right amount of drug 828 00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,520 tests to be able to eligible to be eligible to compete there. 829 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,760 Same thing happened with Zuhair Talbi and the Moroccan 830 00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:04,400 federation, in fact, at the same exact Olympics. 831 00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:10,600 And so then Favor probably also gets a good offer from Turkey to 832 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:17,880 make this switch and is now unable to take it and has to go 833 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,480 back to the Nigerian federation, which we've seen, I think every 834 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,120 world championship those Nigerian athletes post about 835 00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:27,400 just sort of how little support they get. 836 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:30,520 They get maybe like 1U and like this. 837 00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,720 Yeah, little bit of travel budget or no travel budget or 838 00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:37,720 they have to. We've seen other countries where 839 00:47:37,720 --> 00:47:40,880 the athletes or their coaches or the media starts reporting about 840 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,160 how they're flying, you know, all the way out in economy. 841 00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:46,160 And these are the same athletes who they're going to rely on to 842 00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:52,000 try and deliver gold medals to. So, yeah. 843 00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:54,480 So in some ways you feel for the countries. 844 00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:56,360 I don't for the athletes. I don't necessarily feel for 845 00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,680 Turkey because you were trying to buy a bunch of medals. 846 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,720 So, yeah. So it's, it's, it's, it's 847 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:05,400 tricky, but it's, it was interesting to see just sort of 848 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:08,320 the, the outcry and all that stuff afterwards. 849 00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,520 Yeah, exactly. You, you do feel for some of 850 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,560 these athletes who clearly were doing it for reasons other than 851 00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,720 just the money or, or rather kind of more so that they would 852 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:21,160 have the support, they would have the opportunities to, to 853 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,280 compete. Because, you know, if you think 854 00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,680 about it, the reasons why an athlete changes federation is, 855 00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:32,440 you know, is, is often associated with either making it 856 00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,640 easier to make teams. Obviously, a lot of athletes 857 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,000 switch away from the US because it's tough to make US teams. 858 00:48:39,240 --> 00:48:41,440 So if they have heritage from other parts of the world, you'll 859 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,960 often see US athletes switching, switching to, to their sort of, 860 00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:52,400 you know, native country. But I, I think it's, and, and 861 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:53,960 you have a lot of sympathy for that. 862 00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,720 But I think I think the point the World Athletics are trying 863 00:48:56,720 --> 00:48:58,720 to make is that is not the purpose. 864 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,200 You know, the purpose of switching allegiance is not so 865 00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:04,640 you can earn more money. It is not so that you have a 866 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,720 better federation. You are from whatever country 867 00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:10,080 you are from, right? And yes, if there's a genuine 868 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,800 reason why you can change allegiance and, and you can say 869 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,480 like, look, OK, I've moved to this country. 870 00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,360 I've lived here for, for five years and I'm now a citizen and 871 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,360 I have a home here and, and I want to switch to represent this 872 00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,680 country. That's understandable. 873 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,240 Like if I were an athlete, I've lived in the UK or my life, I'm 874 00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:31,640 a British citizen. I was born in India, so I could 875 00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,320 represent India. I like go to India quite a lot. 876 00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,240 I, I have a lot of family there. I'm culturally very connected. 877 00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,560 That would feel reasonable. My dad was born in Tanzania, so 878 00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,320 I could in theory represent Tanzania. 879 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:48,960 I suspect if I were an athlete. Now, I I have never been to 880 00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,880 Tanzania. I've been to Kenya, but I've 881 00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,720 never been to Tanzania. I I still have some relatives 882 00:49:54,720 --> 00:49:58,400 out there but but Even so like I wouldn't necessarily feel 883 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,040 comfortable representing Tanzania because I just have 0 884 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,840 connection to the country. You just root extra hard for 885 00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,520 Alfon Simbu and really. Absolutely, absolutely. 886 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,240 I do. I was I was very happy with with 887 00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:12,240 that at the Boston Marathon. But but you know, like, as I 888 00:50:12,240 --> 00:50:17,120 say, I think you there's there's a part of having that pride when 889 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,960 you put in the national vest. But I think there's also a big 890 00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,880 part of, yeah, you can understand people making a 891 00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,040 choice, like when you have a choice as a young athlete and 892 00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,560 you can say, OK, and we'll come on to talk about Charles Hicks 893 00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,040 shortly. Like he's an example of where he 894 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:36,800 kind of was born in Britain, grew up there, had American 895 00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,200 parents. So he didn't necessarily feel 896 00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:43,080 British or American. In the end, he, he chose to, to, 897 00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,040 to represent. Once he kind of came back to the 898 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,680 States for college and like for, for sort of high school and 899 00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,160 college, he kind of started to feel more American and, and kind 900 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,840 of decided to, to make the switch, but. 901 00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,040 He also doesn't have a British accent whatsoever. 902 00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:57,120 None whatsoever. No, not anymore. 903 00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:58,440 I imagine he had one when he was a kid. 904 00:50:58,440 --> 00:50:59,800 But but. I don't think so. 905 00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:01,680 How long was he in British? He was. 906 00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:04,520 In until he's 12 until he's 12 yeah yeah. 907 00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,960 So he he grew up in the UK, but, but yeah. 908 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,480 He's supposed to come on the podcast this week, I think, so 909 00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:14,040 I'll ask him more about that. Yeah, but as I say, like I think 910 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,720 you can you can see there are there's different like like 911 00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:19,080 suppose you had to be as well. Who will come on to talk about 912 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,320 like he's moved to the US for a number of years, he's got 913 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:22,800 married American, he's settled here. 914 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,080 He's. Got Aisha Protlier. 915 00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,720 Aisha Yeah. So there's so many and and then 916 00:51:27,720 --> 00:51:30,920 there are so many athletes who, you know, have heritage in other 917 00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:35,080 countries and and and therefore, you know, their parents are from 918 00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:37,120 there and they have a strong cultural connection, right. 919 00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:41,040 And you can understand that. So I think this is where like 920 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,520 you can understand athletes switching legions. 921 00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:46,120 Now there's a little bit of context or wider context to this 922 00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:50,200 whole thing. So back in 2017, like because of 923 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,160 countries like Bahrain and others who were abusing the 924 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,760 system a little bit, Well, I think it's actually put a stop 925 00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,320 to any transfers or allegiance until they introduced some 926 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,640 better rules. So they introduced a set of 927 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,880 rules around it and then they changed them again and they 928 00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,960 finally updated them again now in in 2026 just now. 929 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,920 And the latest change is in addition to saying, look you've 930 00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,080 got to have a strong, you've got to be a citizen of your new 931 00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:19,320 country, you've got to be have a strong connection, etcetera, 932 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,360 etcetera. They've now they've now limited 933 00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,360 the number of transfers. So now in any Olympic cycle, any 934 00:52:26,360 --> 00:52:30,720 country can only have 10 transfers total, or make 10 935 00:52:30,720 --> 00:52:34,400 transfer applications total, and of those 10 you can. 936 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,320 Only have per year. No, for an Olympic cycle, so 937 00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:40,520 every four years you can only have a maximum of 10 transfers 938 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:43,000 of allegiance. And that's across both genders. 939 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,960 Both genders and of that 10, you can only have two from a single 940 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:51,520 country as well. So if you have for example, we 941 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,680 have a lot of these these Kenyan athletes who come to the US on 942 00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,400 the W Cap program and some of them are a naturalizing to 943 00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:02,040 become U.S. citizens like, you know, the likes of the West. 944 00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:03,880 Could be 6 in one year potentially. 945 00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:08,040 Sometimes, like I think back to 2016 and like at those trials 946 00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:11,680 you had so many W cap athletes were competing at like their 947 00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:15,880 first US championship or Olympic trials. 948 00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,360 And yeah, so think about that. Just in one year, you could go 949 00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,800 through half your quota on just sort of, yeah. 950 00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,480 And I and I think like federations will then have like, 951 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:30,880 so USATF will have to actually decide like do we think this 952 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:34,240 athlete is, I don't know, Kate, what is their, their rationale 953 00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:35,560 for applying for a particular athlete? 954 00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,680 They'll have to pick and choose and say, look, do we think this 955 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,760 athlete is worthy of applying using one of our ten spots? 956 00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,440 Well, then also just think about just sort of you have to project 957 00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,680 and maybe even save some spots for the younger demographic. 958 00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,360 There's sometimes kids who are like growing up in high school 959 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,960 where I'll go to like their profile and it says like, oh, 960 00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:56,320 they're like a really good high school 800m runner. 961 00:53:56,720 --> 00:54:01,480 And they it's they've got the Polish flag next to their name. 962 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:06,080 So there I think there is a so and then this is again quite 963 00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:08,320 interesting. So there they've also changed 964 00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,440 the rules a little bit. But if you have not represented 965 00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,720 your country in a national representative competition above 966 00:54:14,720 --> 00:54:17,520 a certain age group. So I think it's like if you go 967 00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,040 to like the under 13 championships or something and 968 00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,480 you represent to your country like whatever, that doesn't 969 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:24,560 count. But I think if you represent 970 00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:29,240 your country in an under 18 or at an older age group 971 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,360 competition as a national level, then that counts as you having 972 00:54:33,360 --> 00:54:35,760 established your your allegiance. 973 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,960 So actually at a very young age, before you start to represent a 974 00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,160 country, you are going to have to make that decision. 975 00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,560 And so Charles Hicks, for example, he last represented the 976 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:50,160 UK at under 23 level, which is why he's kind of, you know, a 977 00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:54,040 British athlete, but and had to transfer officially and formally 978 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,640 and wait three years. But there are some other younger 979 00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,560 athletes who can just change like that because they haven't 980 00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,760 actually represented a country yet. 981 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,480 So you 18 feels like the clean cut. 982 00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:07,640 Like, don't you turn 18? Like, that's the country, Yeah. 983 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:10,280 Yeah, yeah. So, so I think, I think that 984 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:11,960 that's it. But but yeah, as I say, there's 985 00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,440 a lot there that that has changed recently. 986 00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,200 So there's going to be a far fewer transfers of allegiance 987 00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,320 now I think going forward and people now have seen that 988 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,040 they're going to be scrutinized very thoroughly. 989 00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:28,120 So people are going to realize, look, I need to be like, it's 990 00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,240 only going to work if I'm genuinely moving to that country 991 00:55:31,240 --> 00:55:34,800 or I'm genuinely have heritage from that country or whatever it 992 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:37,240 is right there should. Be a public tracker where we're 993 00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:40,320 able to see how many like changes have been made by a 994 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:40,960 country. There is. 995 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,760 There is on the website there is AI think there is a thing about 996 00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,080 an applications that have been made and I imagine it will be 997 00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:51,960 more public where with this and then the nationality review 998 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:53,320 panel. And I think there's also going 999 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:57,000 to be transfer windows. So there's two transfer windows 1000 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,800 per year. So again, if you're trying to 1001 00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,560 game the timing of your three years of eligibility, that is 1002 00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,920 actually they're also trying to stop that as well that people 1003 00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,960 game the timing around getting like transferred in time for 1004 00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:10,360 global championships or something. 1005 00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:14,360 So I think there's a lot more kind of if you're genuinely 1006 00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,040 going to transfer for genuine reasons, then you will do it and 1007 00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,040 you'll wait it out and, and whatever it is. 1008 00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,400 But otherwise we're, we're blocking these transfers, we're 1009 00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:23,720 really slowing them down substantially. 1010 00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:25,880 So. So that's something to to our 1011 00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,040 mind. But yeah. 1012 00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,080 Funny how this is like maybe the most professional side of the 1013 00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:33,960 whole entire sport where like you think of just sort of like 1014 00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:37,600 how in other sports there are transfers and trades and 1015 00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,360 signings and all that stuff. This is sort of like the most 1016 00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:44,520 managed side of the sport. Well, no, I think, I think 1017 00:56:44,520 --> 00:56:46,560 they've had to change it because it was, it was. 1018 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:48,240 A Wild West. All of a sudden, Turkey was 1019 00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:53,240 going to become the New York Yankees of the of the Olympics, 1020 00:56:53,240 --> 00:56:55,400 just signing everybody. Yeah. 1021 00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,360 And I think the other part of that you have to realise, like 1022 00:56:58,360 --> 00:57:01,880 Bahrain is that kind of poster child of why it's a problem, 1023 00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:06,200 right, is that they there was then so much incentive. 1024 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,760 There was money, there was pressure involved that whether 1025 00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,600 it was state sponsored or whether it was just the 1026 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:14,880 athletes, like feeling the pressure. 1027 00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,040 Like so many of those athletes have been caught doping, right, 1028 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,040 who transferred to Bahrain. And so Bahrain was actually 1029 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,280 banned from sending. They had a maximum cap on the 1030 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:25,560 number of athletes they could send. 1031 00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,720 They can't transfer any new athletes until 2027 at the 1032 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,680 earliest. They're in a bit of a time out. 1033 00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:36,040 And yeah, and that is the other part of the problem, right, when 1034 00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:38,760 you are incentivizing people with money to change allegiance 1035 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:41,120 and then do. Anything at any cost. 1036 00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,600 Yeah. Any cost to like, you know, the 1037 00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,720 pressure that comes with that, with that money is, is kind of 1038 00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,840 tough. And you know, when you're 1039 00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,240 representing a country, I think that that pressure is much more 1040 00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,240 magnified than if you're just representing a company. 1041 00:57:54,240 --> 00:58:00,640 I suspect so, yeah. All right, let's move into the 1042 00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:04,480 Boston Marathon. So we talked about just sort of 1043 00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:07,120 in the intro, just the near perfect conditions that came 1044 00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,520 with this race. The athletes knew in the days 1045 00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,960 leading up that this was going to be a pretty rare opportunity 1046 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,760 where there was this tailwind that was going to be 1047 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,920 significant. And I think even in the 1048 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,040 technical meeting, I think it started to get out there just 1049 00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,080 sort of like that the runner should take advantage of this. 1050 00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:32,880 But when it came to actually executing the race and from, I 1051 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,280 guess hearing from some of the athletes afterwards, you had to 1052 00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,280 commit to it from the very beginning. 1053 00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,000 And we ended up with two different races where the men 1054 00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:44,200 certainly did. And then the women also ended up 1055 00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,480 running faster, but they were I think a bit more. 1056 00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:52,600 It wasn't as big of a full send as it was over on the men's side 1057 00:58:52,600 --> 00:58:55,120 where even late into the race you started seeing some people 1058 00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,520 were still on pace to run 202203. 1059 00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:02,360 And honestly, I'm sitting there looking at these projections 1060 00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,480 thinking it's like someone, it's just going to be a better like 1061 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,800 who blows up the the least amount. 1062 00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:10,680 But the problem was not that many people honestly ended up 1063 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,360 blowing up. So looking at the men's side of 1064 00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:19,280 the race, the lead pack hit halfway in 6143, similar to 1065 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,040 2025. But instead of crashing and 1066 00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:29,880 burning, they the that tailwind and an acceleration by John 1067 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,880 Career held through the Newton Hills in that second-half. 1068 00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:39,120 John Career was just putting on a master class and just sort of 1069 00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:40,520 like how to cover these big moves. 1070 00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:43,840 There was a Milkesh and Mingessa move that was made coming off of 1071 00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:47,480 an aid station that was the first sort of real 1 and you had 1072 00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:51,600 the likes of Rory Linkletter, Alex Mayer and Ryan Ford trying 1073 00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,880 to cover it. I talked to Rory after the race. 1074 00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,680 We were both just sort of at the same same bar afterwards and he 1075 00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,720 said that's the one that covering that move cost him and 1076 01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:03,080 it came back to bite him a little bit. 1077 01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,200 So he faded back ended up finishing in two O 6 chatting 1078 01:00:06,200 --> 01:00:08,600 with Rory for the pod over the coming days. 1079 01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:17,120 But yeah, from there John career not only just passed Mingessa, 1080 01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:19,720 that's when he sort of like started to accelerate, not 1081 01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,360 necessarily just coast on those downhills. 1082 01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,520 After heartbreak, but he kept his foot on the gas and I think 1083 01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:29,120 it's sort of when he looked over his shoulder and saw that Benson 1084 01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:33,320 Capruto was still there and Benson, I think even also tried 1085 01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,920 to, you know, close the close it on him and respond immediately. 1086 01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:41,720 John career knew he couldn't relax and so he had to keep keep 1087 01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:45,000 keep going. And so he was dominant and then 1088 01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,880 negative split sixty O 2 for the second-half. 1089 01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:54,360 Ended up winning IN20152 course record. 1090 01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:58,520 Didn't know it was a course record until the BAA CEO Jack 1091 01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:02,160 Fleming informed him right after crossing the finish line and 1092 01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,960 then he jumped for joy. It was a really fun touching 1093 01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:10,400 moment on there. Then you had your boy, Alphonse 1094 01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,120 Felix Simbu from Tanzania sitting on Benson Kipruto. 1095 01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:15,280 I was watching this whole thing unfold. 1096 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:19,640 And I'm like, Benson must be so annoyed because he's, he's just, 1097 01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,720 you know, Simbu was just right behind him at all times. 1098 01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:25,880 Never, never took one step ahead of Kipruto. 1099 01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,440 And then on Boylston Street, which is exactly where he was 1100 01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:33,680 going to make the move, he just out sprints Kip bruto and 1101 01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:39,200 finishes in second two O 247 Kip bruto, 2O250 for 3rd place, 1102 01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,520 $35,000 difference between 2nd and 3rd place. 1103 01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:47,120 So that one's got to hurt. And then from there, it was a 1104 01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:51,080 really big day for American marathoners because five of them 1105 01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:58,000 broke two O 6. Zuhair Talbi ran two O 345, the 1106 01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:01,960 fastest ever run by an American citizen on any course. 1107 01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:06,200 Then you've got Charles Hicks who ran two O 435, also under 1108 01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:09,880 the previous best by Ryan Hall on the Boston Marathon course. 1109 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:13,720 And that was, you know, almost a 4 1/2 minute personal best for 1110 01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:18,640 him in just his second marathon after he ran two O 959 in New 1111 01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:23,120 York. But like we kind of said before 1112 01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:26,160 now this ad sort of like to the confusion of just sort of like 1113 01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,840 how they're going to talk, how we're going to talk about these 1114 01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:32,840 marks in the future. So I you know, I just put out I 1115 01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,520 sent out the cities mag newsletter earlier today with 1116 01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,600 just sort of my parting takes from the whole thing. 1117 01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:39,760 And it's sort of like here's how we have to outline it. 1118 01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:44,440 It's Conor Mance broke the American record in Chicago last 1119 01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:50,200 year last October in two O 4. I forget the the seconds on 1120 01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,440 there. It was like. 43. 43204 forty 3 1121 01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:58,400 And that's the American record point blank. 1122 01:02:58,800 --> 01:03:01,840 Now it wasn't going to change regardless of how fast people 1123 01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,200 ran on money. Like you know, Charles Hicks 1124 01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,560 could have run 159 and still would have been would not have 1125 01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:08,760 been the American record. But what we ended up happening 1126 01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:13,200 was we end up getting the fastest marathon ever run by an 1127 01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:17,880 American. And so Zuhair Talbi gets that 1128 01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:21,680 distinction. Boston is not an eligible, 1129 01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:25,320 record eligible course because of the point to point nature of 1130 01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:31,240 it. And so Zuhair also, there's some 1131 01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:35,560 complications here. He is, you know, representing 1132 01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:40,040 the United States in this race, but he's not eligible to 1133 01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:47,160 represent the United States at a world championship until 20. 1134 01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:49,480 No, actually, he. Could run for the World champ 1135 01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,200 10th, 10th of August 2027 so. Yeah. 1136 01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,400 So technically, he could run the world championship marathon next 1137 01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:57,760 year if he really wanted to. And then he is eligible to 1138 01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:03,680 compete at the 2028 US Olympic Trials, which he'll be, you 1139 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:07,800 know, a force on Charles Hicks similar, we've talked about sort 1140 01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:10,800 of his switch from Great Britain to the United States. 1141 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:14,080 That one, he's got less time to wait before he's able to compete 1142 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:16,680 at a global championship. That one's up in June. 1143 01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:21,280 So if he, I guess the US half marathon team's already decided. 1144 01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:27,520 But if had he, you know, wanted to make, you know, I guess there 1145 01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:30,160 is no other championship for him to make this year. 1146 01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:34,320 So, so he's eligible to compete for the United States, start 1147 01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:37,240 internationally starting in July. 1148 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,680 And again, he'll be also at the 28 trials. 1149 01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:47,160 And then I guess let's start there just sort of with the top 1150 01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:51,600 level of performers. If we go with John career first 1151 01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:56,520 right now, he just made his case for I'm one of the best 1152 01:04:56,520 --> 01:04:59,920 marathoners in the world that just ran two O 152 PR 1153 01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:06,320 improvement from Valencia. And and that's his thesis and he 1154 01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,160 dominated. He beat a world the world 1155 01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,520 champion and the reigning New York City Marathon champion. 1156 01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,440 And now in a couple days, that's going to get tested when we see 1157 01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,960 Sebastian Sawy versus Jacob Cupolimo, they're going to make 1158 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,120 their case for why they're the best marathoner in the world. 1159 01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:26,440 And just overall, in general, it feels like this is just sort of 1160 01:05:26,440 --> 01:05:29,520 like we got to look at this as a wind dated time, right? 1161 01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,640 Like all of these? Yeah. 1162 01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:35,080 And I think that. So I think what was interesting 1163 01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:38,880 is what I've seen is that, and I don't know how you felt about it 1164 01:05:38,880 --> 01:05:42,800 there and I assume you weren't there in 2011, but but 1165 01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:46,840 apparently the wind, the wind was more it was 20, about 20 1166 01:05:46,840 --> 01:05:51,240 mile of an hour tailwind in 2011 and in 1994, which are the last 1167 01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:54,800 the previous two times where they've been crazy, crazy wins 1168 01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:58,400 tailwinds in in Boston and those sort of magic days. 1169 01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:03,480 So this wasn't quite as much of A tailwind, but it clearly seems 1170 01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:06,720 like the average. I I think credit to Jonathan 1171 01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,040 Goldford for doing doing the the math here. 1172 01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:14,240 He, he said on average of the seven people that we're in the 1173 01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,840 top ten last year and we're back here, Sibri and Kota DNF. 1174 01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:24,480 But the remaining 6 on average ran 2 minutes and 7 seconds 1175 01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:29,600 faster than they did last year. And you know, so you've got to 1176 01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:33,920 say like if all of those people ran 2 minutes quicker, there was 1177 01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:37,640 something in the conditions on the day that that aided them 1178 01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:40,080 because otherwise not all of them are going to hit it like 1179 01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:43,200 you wouldn't expect. Everyone hates to hear that. 1180 01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:48,720 Number that you just imagine him posing up a 2:02, Yeah. 1181 01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:55,760 So, so I think that's the that's the, you know, that ultimately 1182 01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:59,280 says there was something and part of it I think is as well as 1183 01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,520 the wind. I think it just gave the license 1184 01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:04,440 to go for it. And we saw that lot like last 1185 01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,120 year in Boston, the women ran 217. 1186 01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:08,680 They ran a course record, right? So the conditions were really 1187 01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:10,520 good last year. It was not like the conditions 1188 01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:12,600 were bad last year. They were, they were really 1189 01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:14,600 good. But this year they were 1190 01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:16,520 something better than last year, right? 1191 01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:23,000 There was there was something a lot and I think, you know, yes, 1192 01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:26,160 there was the wind, but I think people just took that license to 1193 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:28,560 go out a bit harder. Obviously, you know, as we 1194 01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,000 mentioned, Hendrick Pfeiffer and a couple of the other Puma guys 1195 01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,720 were out of the front. They were pushing relatively 1196 01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:35,680 early on. Like it wasn't crazy fast in the 1197 01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:39,400 first half, but it was quick enough to facilitate the quick, 1198 01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:41,720 the quick time in the second-half, right. 1199 01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:45,600 So it was, you know, it was, it was pretty good. 1200 01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:48,680 It, you know, it's a good opportunity for everybody to run 1201 01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:52,560 quick. And it was not so quick that you 1202 01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:56,840 then had say all the a lot of the Americans may be falling off 1203 01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,560 that front pack and then not being able to hang and 1204 01:07:59,560 --> 01:08:03,680 therefore, you know, them having to do the work themselves in the 1205 01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:05,800 second-half of the race. So it was kind of a little bit 1206 01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:08,920 of it. I think it just shook out 1207 01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:10,920 perfectly right for everybody involved. 1208 01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:16,479 So, yeah, I mean, John career master class, as you said, like 1209 01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:20,359 absolute master class. He's proven his consistency and 1210 01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:23,439 obviously he didn't have a good in Chicago, but you know his 1211 01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,880 last other three marathons that he has finished absolute 1212 01:08:27,080 --> 01:08:31,319 incredible performances that. Form is so beautiful too. 1213 01:08:31,319 --> 01:08:34,560 Beautiful form. Like, yeah, absolutely perfect 1214 01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:39,920 and sixty O 260 O 2 is just wild, especially when you've got 1215 01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,520 the hills, right, The hills. Yeah. 1216 01:08:42,080 --> 01:08:46,920 You know, OK, yes, you know, there are hills, but like and it 1217 01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:51,319 is look, I think. What's the fastest second-half 1218 01:08:51,319 --> 01:08:52,640 ever? It's Kiptoms. 1219 01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,960 Kiptoms, 5950. 947 yeah, yeah, and. 1220 01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,080 And I think we should also kind of explain again, like why is 1221 01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,359 this course not record eligible? Because normally Boston is way 1222 01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:06,520 slower than like a Valencia or or whatever, right? 1223 01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:10,520 The reason why Boston is not record eligible and the reason 1224 01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:13,160 why World Athletics has these rules is it's a point to point 1225 01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,080 course, which means you can have a tailwind and. 1226 01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:17,279 Net down the whole way. And it's a net downhill. 1227 01:09:17,319 --> 01:09:20,840 So there's two, there's two key rules that are important. 1228 01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:26,080 One is that the elevation loss shouldn't be more than 1m per 1229 01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:28,240 kilometer for the over the course. 1230 01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:34,040 So you know .1% from start to finish so that it's not a net 1231 01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,680 single significant net downhill. And the second thing is the 1232 01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:41,279 start and the finish shouldn't be separated by more than 50% of 1233 01:09:41,279 --> 01:09:44,640 the race distance. And what that does is that means 1234 01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,040 that at some point you have to turn around and get, get, get go 1235 01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,840 the other way, which which then it ensures that so that it means 1236 01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:55,120 that you won't get a tailwind the whole way if it is the winds 1237 01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:59,320 blowing in One Direction. And so that is the reason why 1238 01:09:59,320 --> 01:10:03,120 Boston because of these protect the potential for these sorts of 1239 01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,840 magic days. Unfortunately, it isn't record 1240 01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:09,320 eligible. But I think, yeah, look, it was 1241 01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,680 a great day for the guys at the front and they clearly smashed 1242 01:10:12,680 --> 01:10:15,200 it out the park and like running that quick like is I think is it 1243 01:10:15,200 --> 01:10:21,040 the first race someone said that five guys have gone sub to four. 1244 01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:25,040 Yeah. So that's that's bonkers, right? 1245 01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:30,000 That's absolutely bonkers. So yeah. 1246 01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,920 The other thing too, and I kind of, I think I typed this up way 1247 01:10:34,920 --> 01:10:38,280 too fast, and then I double checked with someone at USATFI, 1248 01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,920 got it wrong in my newsletter. But I noted that just sort of 1249 01:10:40,920 --> 01:10:46,640 that Zuhair tabby's performances right now do count for the USATF 1250 01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:50,000 books, which they actually don't, not until next year. 1251 01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:56,760 So for example, if he went out to Berlin and ran and posted a 1252 01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:02,040 2O2O3 low or a 2O2 still wouldn't be the American record. 1253 01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:05,520 So we might end up with even more craziness if he chooses to 1254 01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:10,600 do something like that. But I think right now, I guess 1255 01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,320 where we go from here is like we we just start to get excited 1256 01:11:14,320 --> 01:11:17,160 over the prospects of, you know, I think at this point, maybe we 1257 01:11:17,160 --> 01:11:20,000 should just make a shirt that just says like, it's not too 1258 01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,280 early to get excited about the 2028 USA Marathon Trials. 1259 01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,920 Because it's a catch phrase I think I've gotten used to just 1260 01:11:25,920 --> 01:11:30,040 kind of spewing out over the last couple days where you 1261 01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:34,320 insert Zuhair Talbi and Charles Hicks into the mix and the race 1262 01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:40,360 is already instantaneously more interesting than it was in 2024. 1263 01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,240 You bring back a lot of the key players like the Clayton Young's 1264 01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:50,280 of the world into the mix and maybe, you know, you see where 1265 01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:54,000 he falls in the pecking order. In tomorrow's edition of the 1266 01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,400 Labcat newsletter, I've put together the early power 1267 01:11:57,400 --> 01:12:03,280 rankings of the top 15 US men's and women's marathoners. 1268 01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:07,080 And for the City of Smack podcast listeners, I'll reveal 1269 01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:11,320 that list to you guys first. Let me pull it up. 1270 01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:17,520 Well, actually we'll, we can do the full list on the you can 1271 01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,720 read the full list in the lab count, but I'll give you my top 1272 01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:26,920 five on here. So this is processing just sort 1273 01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:31,000 of all the marathon performances over the last couple months. 1274 01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:36,480 I'll read through just sort of I'll give you the whole list. 1275 01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:38,280 I'll read through the names really quick. 1276 01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,760 And then for the top five, I'll give you just sort of a little 1277 01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:45,240 bit more. So 15 is Ahmad Bashir Mohammed. 1278 01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:49,200 You heard of him, Preet? No, I have not look forward to 1279 01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:52,120 11. Guy 211 Guy who at the Riyadh 1280 01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:57,600 Marathon, but he lost to Zuhair Talbi by 10 seconds in the 2025 1281 01:12:57,600 --> 01:13:01,600 Chicago Half Marathon. He just ran 4642 at the Cherry 1282 01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:05,480 Blossom. 10 Miller. He's only 23 years old, so watch 1283 01:13:05,480 --> 01:13:11,480 out for him. 14 Daniel Mesfun. 13 Half two night 12 Wesley 1284 01:13:11,480 --> 01:13:20,440 Kiptu. 11 Hilary Bore. 10 Ethan Shuley 9 Casey Clinger, 8 Grant 1285 01:13:20,440 --> 01:13:30,120 Fisher, 7 Alex Mayer 6 Joe Klecker now #5 Ryan Ford, Fresh 1286 01:13:30,120 --> 01:13:34,200 off the 2 of 546 PB from Boston. I'm slotting him above Joe 1287 01:13:34,200 --> 01:13:38,960 Klecker because he did beat him by 10 seconds in Boston. 1288 01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:42,840 Also, I'm weighing his Boston last year and his Boston this 1289 01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,360 year. Plus he he posted a 2O9 in 1290 01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:48,480 Chicago. That body of work a little bit 1291 01:13:48,480 --> 01:13:50,800 more impressive than collectors, but those two guys could end up, 1292 01:13:50,920 --> 01:13:54,320 you know, trading back and forth like, who's the best marathoner 1293 01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:57,240 on OAC? The answer is Helen O'berry. 1294 01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,160 But who's the best men's marathoner on OAC? 1295 01:14:01,440 --> 01:14:04,280 That is one that you can probably start to, you know, 1296 01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,240 debate between Joe Collector and Ryan Ford. 1297 01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:10,360 So this is their first time going head to I'm putting 1298 01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:16,160 Clayton Young, which that's all things considered a great spot 1299 01:14:16,160 --> 01:14:20,320 to be in because maybe during this most recent recent injury 1300 01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:24,000 cycle, he was ready to put himself maybe at #10 But great 1301 01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,400 performance. I think all around to be able to 1302 01:14:26,400 --> 01:14:29,160 turn things around, still be able to crank out those 130 mile 1303 01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:36,000 weeks and get his, you know, navicular problem all fixed and 1304 01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:40,000 held up strong enough to run APB of two O 541. 1305 01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:44,160 Now, 11th place isn't where he probably wanted to be because he 1306 01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:48,440 was 7th last year. He's probably got to feel good 1307 01:14:48,440 --> 01:14:51,680 about just sort of the time and being able to contend and his 1308 01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:56,280 body holding up for this race. So right now he's on in fourth, 1309 01:14:56,560 --> 01:14:58,120 which is not where you want to be in the trials. 1310 01:14:58,120 --> 01:15:01,000 You don't want to be in fourth place, but at least like he's in 1311 01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,840 the conversation. 3 Charles Hicks, I think he's 2 for two 1312 01:15:04,840 --> 01:15:06,960 and just sort of impressive marathon performances. 1313 01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:10,320 You look at a Strava, you can see that his, you know, he 1314 01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:14,280 trains and his body adapts well to the marathon. 1315 01:15:16,440 --> 01:15:21,120 I it's so kind of funny to think back and think of why we slotted 1316 01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,400 him as a dark horse heading into Boston. 1317 01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:25,320 He was a former NCA cross country champion. 1318 01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,040 Maybe we should have just paid a little bit more attention to 1319 01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:33,680 just like how good he's been on the roads dating back to last 1320 01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:36,600 year when he popped that really good 10 Miller in DC and then 1321 01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:38,920 started the whole confusion over, is this the American 1322 01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,680 record? Is this not so? 1323 01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,320 Yeah. Charles Hicks at three with that 1324 01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:49,080 two O 435 #2 Zuhair Talbi 2O345 from from Boston. 1325 01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:52,000 I think like it's impressive. Couple that with the Houston 1326 01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:55,160 performance. He's not necessarily going to be 1327 01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:58,600 the youngest spring chicken come the 28 trials, but he'll be 1328 01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:01,880 seasoned and you know, as a, as a marathoner. 1329 01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:06,800 And if he's able to put a performance like this to contend 1330 01:16:06,800 --> 01:16:10,640 against the best in the world, you put that up against just 1331 01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:16,200 Americans and it should hold up. And then #1 maybe is, is this 1332 01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:19,160 bias because he's a, he's a podcast Co host. 1333 01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:22,880 But Conor Mance is staying at #1 right now. 1334 01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:27,160 And the main reason why is like the, well, there's a little bit 1335 01:16:27,160 --> 01:16:29,080 of an asterisk. He's got to stay healthy. 1336 01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:33,400 If he doesn't stay healthy, then he could drop back to #3 #4 just 1337 01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:37,600 as quickly as Clayton did. But Connor's holding his spot 1338 01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:41,640 right now, mostly because when you weigh how some of these 1339 01:16:41,640 --> 01:17:00,280 athletes have competed head to But I guess I haven't seen 1340 01:17:00,280 --> 01:17:04,480 enough to dissuade me that when Connor is back and healthy and 1341 01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:08,920 fully roaring like, I even think that his 5917 half marathon 1342 01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,920 American record isn't as indicative of what his ceiling 1343 01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:14,400 could be in that event. Because we remember that he was 1344 01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:18,320 coming off of such a shortened injury, shortened bill due to 1345 01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:22,200 injury. So Alex Mayer scaring it like 1346 01:17:23,120 --> 01:17:27,640 was a close call, but Connor could have moved the goal posts 1347 01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:32,040 on this marathon a bit closer to 59 low high 50 eights. 1348 01:17:32,440 --> 01:17:37,680 And so barring any sort of injury, Connor should hold up. 1349 01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:42,040 But again, if if it's if it hits, we're going to do these a 1350 01:17:42,040 --> 01:17:43,600 bit more regularly. So this is just the first 1351 01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:46,320 edition that's coming out in. April Well, yeah, I mean, I I 1352 01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:48,160 yeah, I know you put Grant Fisher in there. 1353 01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:51,800 I I suspect by, well, there's a question about it later. 1354 01:17:52,600 --> 01:17:57,640 Grant slotted in there at 8:00 because one, I think people 1355 01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:01,080 would give me shit if I ranked him higher just based off of his 1356 01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,440 talent on the track and his accolades. 1357 01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:07,360 And then people would give me shit if I based like, no, you 1358 01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:09,800 know, they would, they would give me shit if I based him 1359 01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,040 lower because of his talent and his accolades. 1360 01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:17,400 And they'd give me shit if I ranked him higher because he, 1361 01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:21,840 you know, had a pooper of a first half marathon debut. 1362 01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:23,280 So I'm like, I'm playing it safe. 1363 01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:26,160 And I'm just saying he's 8th right now if he chooses to 1364 01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:29,160 commit to the marathon. If he does, that's just a good 1365 01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:31,920 placeholder for now. I mean, yeah, I'm, I'm wondering 1366 01:18:31,920 --> 01:18:33,640 whether Hampton Samuel will be in that mix. 1367 01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:35,320 I think we we talked about him by the time. 1368 01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,760 Well, so he's not eligible for the rankings until he becomes. 1369 01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:42,720 Fair enough, fair enough. We'll, we'll go with that rule. 1370 01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:45,240 But halftime's probably up against the clock, all things 1371 01:18:45,240 --> 01:18:47,760 considered. Well, I think because of the 1372 01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,240 last time he represented Eritrea, I think. 1373 01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:54,240 Which is 2023 Budapest. So I think he should be fine if 1374 01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:57,320 they apply because the three years is from you when you last 1375 01:18:57,320 --> 01:18:59,360 represented rather than. From but he's in a weird 1376 01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:02,520 situation where he's not even like I think he's sought asylum 1377 01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:04,080 and so like it's a. Yeah. 1378 01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,880 But I don't know whether if he becomes a citizen, I'm not sure 1379 01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:09,280 whether he has to wait three. I don't think he has to wait 1380 01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:11,320 three years after becoming citizen, but I haven't. 1381 01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,000 I'd have to double check the rules on that, but. 1382 01:19:13,480 --> 01:19:15,640 With Haptam knife, the worst case scenario, he ends up like 1383 01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:18,560 Ed Chesrick where it's like sort of he was holding out hope for 1384 01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:20,920 the longest time to try and represent the United States and 1385 01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,480 then that day never came. And so then we're we're wasting 1386 01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:29,720 some really good talent so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1387 01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:33,520 And did any of those other rankings really stick out to 1388 01:19:33,520 --> 01:19:36,320 you? No, I mean, as I say, I think 1389 01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:40,200 Alex Mayer unfortunately didn't have a good day right in, in in 1390 01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:44,840 Boston DM DNF. So obviously, you know, we had 1391 01:19:44,840 --> 01:19:50,480 such high hopes from going in and yeah, obviously I think he 1392 01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:52,560 will. I think he will definitely come 1393 01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:56,400 up in the rankings once we we get to see him a bit more. 1394 01:19:56,680 --> 01:20:00,920 The serious rankings. And the world rankings are, 1395 01:20:00,920 --> 01:20:02,880 well, rankings. But yeah, so I think he's 1396 01:20:02,880 --> 01:20:05,200 someone I think we should still be keeping an eye on. 1397 01:20:05,200 --> 01:20:07,560 Yes. OK, that wasn't his day, but. 1398 01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:12,360 I think he's, he's, he's shown, you know, multiple times that 1399 01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:16,960 he's, he's right up there. But yeah, I, I agree with with 1400 01:20:16,960 --> 01:20:19,600 your top, your top rankings at the moment. 1401 01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:22,920 I think Connor's still still at the top, but yeah, he's going to 1402 01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,520 stay healthy. My my first draft of this 1403 01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:29,600 slotted Talby over man's and then I came to my senses. 1404 01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:33,520 Yeah, it's tough, right? Because we don't know like 1405 01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,000 exactly what would Connor have done on this day? 1406 01:20:36,000 --> 01:20:39,080 Like if Connor had been here, like could he have run, you 1407 01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:42,600 know, two or three low 202? You're like, could he have been 1408 01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:45,440 like in that third, fourth kind of range? 1409 01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:48,720 And I think that's, that's perfectly possible given, given 1410 01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:50,760 the day, given the conditions, given what everyone else was 1411 01:20:50,760 --> 01:20:52,600 doing. It'll be interesting to see what 1412 01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:56,560 all these guys do when we when we get to see them on, on sort 1413 01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,120 of a regular like record eligible course. 1414 01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:04,080 Can they can they replicate, you know, so you know, these kind of 1415 01:21:04,280 --> 01:21:07,760 times or at least relatively close and and maybe there is a 1416 01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:10,160 question there, right? Like if you are an American 1417 01:21:10,160 --> 01:21:13,960 going to Chicago in the fall, who's just run if you're a 1418 01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,560 client and young, if you're a Ryan fall, you're a Joe Clecker, 1419 01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:20,000 you're Charles Hicks, you just run 204205. 1420 01:21:22,440 --> 01:21:25,840 What pace do you go out at when it comes to Chicago, right? 1421 01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:29,880 Do you go out at 20? You know, do you go out at two O 1422 01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:31,120 4 pace or do. You. 1423 01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,800 Oh yeah, or. Do you or do you go out at two O 1424 01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:37,120 6 pace right, like that's that's the question that I I don't know 1425 01:21:37,120 --> 01:21:39,080 right, what what? This is going to warp people's 1426 01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:41,440 brains in terms of what they're going to be doing in practice. 1427 01:21:42,120 --> 01:21:44,040 Yeah, exactly. And that is the question, right? 1428 01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:46,920 Do you do you say? And because we've always said, 1429 01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:50,280 look, because Americans, the only time Americans go out to 1430 01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:52,200 run fast as if they go to Chicago, right? 1431 01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:55,040 Because otherwise they're running this cycle of New York 1432 01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:57,320 and Boston. And you know, they're not going 1433 01:21:57,320 --> 01:22:00,600 out there necessarily to run quick or they're not in these 1434 01:22:00,600 --> 01:22:02,920 paced races. So they don't have to make a 1435 01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,760 decision. Like in this case, they ran fast 1436 01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:09,160 just because the race went fast. Like if this race had gone out 1437 01:22:09,400 --> 01:22:12,720 really slow, they wouldn't have gone off the front and and still 1438 01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:14,560 run this time. They would have run slow, right? 1439 01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:16,280 Even with the wind. That's what the women did, 1440 01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:17,480 right? Or most of the women did. 1441 01:22:17,480 --> 01:22:23,720 So I think, but like we, we have to wait and see. 1442 01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:26,600 I think a little bit of they don't get as much practice at 1443 01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,200 gauging what they're going to do like, because they're not 1444 01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:31,800 running these pace marathons every time out. 1445 01:22:32,120 --> 01:22:34,640 If you're like, you know, someone who runs a London and a 1446 01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:36,840 Valencia and a Berlin and whatever on, on the on the 1447 01:22:36,840 --> 01:22:39,680 regular, it's a very different ball game, right? 1448 01:22:39,680 --> 01:22:43,480 And so judging what is the right pace for you to go out when 1449 01:22:43,480 --> 01:22:46,080 you've got a pacer? And also the groups get smaller, 1450 01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:47,120 right? It's not like you're in a 1451 01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:48,440 massive group. You're in. 1452 01:22:49,080 --> 01:22:51,080 And when we, when we preview London, I imagine, which we're 1453 01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,320 going to do later in the week, we'll talk about this like 1454 01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:57,000 London is really notorious for this, that like the groups break 1455 01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:59,640 up into really tiny groups and you have to do a lot of the work 1456 01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:03,720 yourself once the Pacers drop out because you know, the groups 1457 01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:07,640 are quite small. And so it's a really different 1458 01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:11,120 experience and a really different, different kind of 1459 01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:15,000 race that you have to run to run these quick times in, in these 1460 01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:19,040 kind of flatter, faster courses. Some of these folks should make 1461 01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:22,240 a call over to Ryan Hall and see just sort of like after 2011, 1462 01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:23,720 like, what did you do in practice? 1463 01:23:23,720 --> 01:23:25,480 Like when it came to training for the marathon? 1464 01:23:25,480 --> 01:23:30,680 He obviously didn't end up going to win the 2012 trials, but it 1465 01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:35,160 wasn't, you know, a fast time. And and in a way, he never ran 1466 01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:38,080 faster than he did on that day ever again. 1467 01:23:38,360 --> 01:23:40,320 And so you don't want to just end up in an injury cycle 1468 01:23:40,320 --> 01:23:44,240 because now you're training like a 203 guy because you ran it one 1469 01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:47,880 time on one day because of the conditions. 1470 01:23:47,880 --> 01:23:50,880 And so I'll be interested to hear just sort of like how 1471 01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:55,120 people adjust their training or not after this. 1472 01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:58,880 And what, you know, how many of these guys end up running faster 1473 01:23:58,880 --> 01:24:00,920 than this in in the rest of their lives? 1474 01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:05,080 Like we're going to remember the 2026 Boston Marathon as the 1475 01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:09,320 windy one. Like 2012 the hot 12018, the 1476 01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:13,320 crazy rainy one. 20/20/11 was the windy one. 1477 01:24:13,480 --> 01:24:16,440 This is the 2026, the windier one, Yeah. 1478 01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:20,080 Well, it wasn't as windy as 20/20/11 apparently. 1479 01:24:20,080 --> 01:24:22,960 But as I say, like it obviously with the Super shoes, with 1480 01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:27,800 everything else and, and I think the other thing is that people 1481 01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:30,440 like very few people blow up now. 1482 01:24:30,440 --> 01:24:32,840 And that's, that's the big change that the Super shoes and 1483 01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:35,240 the fuelling and, and all of that trust. 1484 01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:37,480 Me Scott Fawble has some some thoughts on this. 1485 01:24:37,480 --> 01:24:38,640 I don't know if you saw his tweets. 1486 01:24:38,760 --> 01:24:40,280 Yeah, I did see some of his tweets, Yeah. 1487 01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,960 We're going to flesh this out in the lab count tomorrow because 1488 01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:46,120 Scott and Kyle, I think we're, you know, discussing it 1489 01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:48,000 separately. And so they'll be something 1490 01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,000 interesting that people can read from that. 1491 01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,800 But it does touch on that fact of like, less people are dying. 1492 01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,360 And so now do we have to make the marathon longer? 1493 01:24:58,280 --> 01:25:02,320 Well, Fedipi has died at 42.2 K Actually, no, he didn't. 1494 01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:03,840 He died at a little bit of a shorter distance. 1495 01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:06,400 And then the Brits changed the distance for the Olympic 1496 01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:07,240 marathon. Yeah. 1497 01:25:09,240 --> 01:25:11,080 Yeah. Should we get over to the 1498 01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:12,120 women's race? Yeah, yeah. 1499 01:25:13,480 --> 01:25:15,920 All right. So the women's race, I guess 1500 01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,720 like coming into this one, everyone looked at Sharon 1501 01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:21,720 Lochetti as like the heavy favorite because her 1502 01:25:21,720 --> 01:25:25,360 counterpart, Helen O'berry has opted to race London. 1503 01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:30,560 And then, you know, I think some of us started to have second 1504 01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:34,040 guesses on it. Friday. 1505 01:25:34,520 --> 01:25:36,720 She was, she was on her feet a lot. 1506 01:25:36,760 --> 01:25:39,480 She had a lot of media obligations, press conference 1507 01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:43,800 interviews. She did a panel with me at one 1508 01:25:43,800 --> 01:25:46,560 of the retailers on Boylston Street. 1509 01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:49,080 And then she did the Eric and Aisha live show. 1510 01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:52,160 More obligations on Saturday, maybe 50% of what she did on 1511 01:25:52,160 --> 01:25:55,760 Friday. The demands and the schedule of 1512 01:25:56,120 --> 01:26:00,000 a reigning champion are very, very intense. 1513 01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:10,320 And so she also, I think in addition to that, had like a 1514 01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:12,040 tight quad or something like that. 1515 01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:15,160 So like there would be every reason to just sort of like have 1516 01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:20,400 a little bit of doubt. But she honestly held strong 1517 01:26:20,480 --> 01:26:23,480 this entire time and put together like she she was 1518 01:26:23,480 --> 01:26:26,160 invisible for most of the race, not being the one to push it 1519 01:26:26,160 --> 01:26:31,360 from the front, tucked in very nicely in the lead pack of in 1520 01:26:31,360 --> 01:26:33,040 the lead pack of runners. It was a lot of it was an 1521 01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,400 American frontline for most most of the race. 1522 01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:39,720 And then you had Lois Chenmong, Irene chef die hanging in there 1523 01:26:39,720 --> 01:26:44,680 as well. And when I guess it might have 1524 01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:49,040 been some combination of Sharon Lewis and Irene making the move 1525 01:26:50,200 --> 01:26:53,240 at 20 miles, they started to break away. 1526 01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:59,320 And then from mile 2223 and 24 is really where Sharon won the 1527 01:26:59,320 --> 01:27:03,680 race. She that was a, that was a 1528 01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:09,640 441-440-8435. A lot of guys weren't running 1529 01:27:09,640 --> 01:27:14,520 435 at mile 24 and Sharon just crushed it. 1530 01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:21,400 So that's a 1448 for that 35 to 40K segment, 25 seconds faster 1531 01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:26,200 than her 1513 PB that she ran on the track, faster than what Jane 1532 01:27:26,200 --> 01:27:29,400 Henrigan just ran on Friday night. 1533 01:27:29,400 --> 01:27:34,240 So super impressive at that point, like she just needed to 1534 01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:36,400 hold it together and she'd come away with the win. 1535 01:27:36,760 --> 01:27:40,280 She ended up winning by 44 seconds to 1851, second fastest 1536 01:27:40,280 --> 01:27:44,240 time in history behind her own performance from last year, just 1537 01:27:44,240 --> 01:27:47,160 the seventh woman to win back-to-back Boston Marathon 1538 01:27:47,160 --> 01:27:51,040 titles since women were officially allowed to race in 1539 01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:56,720 1972. So, yeah, for for Sharon, I 1540 01:27:56,720 --> 01:28:00,720 think big picture zooming out makes us super excited for the 1541 01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:04,440 next opportunity we get to potentially see her race a flat, 1542 01:28:04,440 --> 01:28:07,640 fast course, whether that is, you know, Chicago. 1543 01:28:07,960 --> 01:28:11,880 She's so tied to New York being a former champ that she probably 1544 01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:13,360 gets a good appearance feed there. 1545 01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:16,520 But if you want to break out and run a fast time, you're going to 1546 01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:18,640 have to break out of the cycle at some point. 1547 01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:22,880 And so Helen is the defending champion in New York. 1548 01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:28,160 So I think, you know, there could be some we'll see just 1549 01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:31,040 sort of like what Sharon chooses to do for the fall. 1550 01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:35,200 But at this point, you know she's won three marathon world 1551 01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:38,680 majors, been on the podium 6 times. 1552 01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:42,200 She was on the 4th place at the Olympics, just like in the last 1553 01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:45,160 3-4 years, one of the most consistent marathoners. 1554 01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:50,680 This episode of the City of Smack podcast is presented by 1555 01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:52,960 Lollipop, because of course it is. 1556 01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:56,360 I feel like everywhere I look lately I'm seeing Lollipop. 1557 01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:58,280 It's on all of my favorite shows. 1558 01:28:58,440 --> 01:29:01,440 I saw it on Traitors when the contestants were sitting around 1559 01:29:01,440 --> 01:29:04,360 the mansion trying to decide who to vanish at the Round Table. 1560 01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:09,200 It pops up in episodes of Shrinking on Apple TV, and it 1561 01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:12,240 even had a moment in The Housemaid starring Sydney 1562 01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:14,080 Sweeney. 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Yeah. 1593 01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:52,200 So I mean, Sharon, yeah, gets the gets the the repeat win. 1594 01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:56,280 And I don't think it was ever, it didn't ever feel it was 1595 01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:59,080 really in doubt at any point during that race to me. 1596 01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:02,560 And you were just waiting like she was hidden in the pack. 1597 01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:04,680 Nothing was happening for most of the race. 1598 01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:10,640 And she's just proven that she has that that kick, which which 1599 01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:13,480 I don't think, you know, we we kind of noted in our preview 1600 01:31:13,480 --> 01:31:16,640 that the depth at the top of the field wasn't particularly, you 1601 01:31:16,640 --> 01:31:18,960 know, it wasn't all that deep at the top. 1602 01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:21,680 And there weren't, we didn't think that there were many women 1603 01:31:21,680 --> 01:31:24,280 who would go up there. And that is, you know, be up 1604 01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:26,600 there with her. And that's kind of pretty much 1605 01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:29,760 how it played out. And I don't think there was ever 1606 01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:33,120 a point at which we were worried that she wasn't going to be able 1607 01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:35,120 to win, right. And, and when she made a move, 1608 01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:37,400 she made a move and and it stuck. 1609 01:31:38,240 --> 01:31:42,480 So, yeah, I mean, like absolutely phenomenal 1610 01:31:42,480 --> 01:31:46,000 performance again. And yeah, she's now a three time 1611 01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,640 major marathon winner, which which is, which is a really 1612 01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:50,760 great, great career by any standards. 1613 01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:53,880 And yeah, it would, I think. Yeah, you're right. 1614 01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:56,240 We want to see what she can do on a, on a, on a fast course. 1615 01:31:56,240 --> 01:32:02,400 And then maybe that is a Chicago or a Berlin in, in the in the 1616 01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:04,200 fall. So yeah. 1617 01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:07,880 Did you catch the fun story about her forgetting her watch? 1618 01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:10,320 No, no I did not. No. 1619 01:32:10,320 --> 01:32:14,480 What happened really? So she was on the start bus with 1620 01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:16,760 her agent and coach, Steven Haas. 1621 01:32:16,760 --> 01:32:20,880 And I think, like, on the way to Hopkinton, she looks at her 1622 01:32:20,880 --> 01:32:23,240 wrist and realizes she doesn't have her watch. 1623 01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:28,520 And so his first inclination is, I'm just going to give her my 1624 01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:31,560 Apple Watch. But then you realize she's a 1625 01:32:31,560 --> 01:32:34,720 garment athlete, so she needs a specific watch. 1626 01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:39,880 He looks around, He sees John Green, you know, the the the 1627 01:32:40,520 --> 01:32:43,080 Molly sidel's former coach and I think the coach to a couple 1628 01:32:43,080 --> 01:32:47,880 athletes in this race and he has some John, you got to you got to 1629 01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:51,920 watch that Sharon can borrow and he had a competitor brand and so 1630 01:32:52,480 --> 01:32:55,240 that wouldn't work. And then he turns back and he 1631 01:32:55,240 --> 01:33:02,200 finds Steven Pifer, who's like a former Colorado stand out and 1632 01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:05,920 then went on to have a solid pro career of Ranford Newton for a 1633 01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:07,440 bunch of years now works for Skechers. 1634 01:33:07,440 --> 01:33:12,040 And he was there because he was, I guess, like cheering on his 1635 01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:18,640 wife who was running. And so he asks him for his watch 1636 01:33:18,640 --> 01:33:22,560 and he gladly gave it up. And so it was the same make and 1637 01:33:22,560 --> 01:33:24,200 model that Sharon had previously used. 1638 01:33:24,200 --> 01:33:27,600 And so she immediately like just like starts clicking buttons and 1639 01:33:27,600 --> 01:33:29,680 sets it to kilometers, all that kind of stuff. 1640 01:33:29,680 --> 01:33:36,720 And then that watch recorded some crazy splits and then from 1641 01:33:36,720 --> 01:33:40,840 there she found him afterwards and returned the watch and they 1642 01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:43,440 got a nice photo together. But how cool is that? 1643 01:33:43,440 --> 01:33:47,280 I mean, one pretty stressful for a couple minutes there, but 1644 01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:51,440 very, very cool. And so actually we got a video 1645 01:33:51,440 --> 01:33:54,680 of like the her going through her watch splits. 1646 01:33:54,680 --> 01:33:58,360 There's a couple sub 250 KS in the late stages of the race. 1647 01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:01,720 It's just yeah, because. You see the mile splits which 1648 01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:04,720 but like to see K splits is also impressive. 1649 01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:08,160 Yeah, it's crazy. Like she, she, that, that those 1650 01:34:08,160 --> 01:34:10,600 moves she made that sub 155K, she ran. 1651 01:34:10,600 --> 01:34:13,440 And yes, there was a bit of downhill in there, but even with 1652 01:34:13,440 --> 01:34:16,840 that, right, to do that in the middle of a marathon is, is 1653 01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:21,040 wildly, wildly impressive. And yeah, I mean, yeah, we 1654 01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:23,680 can't, we can't praise her enough for, for what she's doing 1655 01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:27,320 and, and, and, and her performances and how consistent 1656 01:34:27,320 --> 01:34:29,800 she's been, right? Ever since she started her her 1657 01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:33,360 marathon career, she's just been incredibly consistent. 1658 01:34:33,360 --> 01:34:35,120 I don't think she's had a bad marathon, right? 1659 01:34:35,120 --> 01:34:36,600 She literally hasn't. So. 1660 01:34:36,840 --> 01:34:39,080 Just one, I think there was like 1 New York that was bad and it 1661 01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:42,920 was I think because it was cold. So yeah, that was literally it. 1662 01:34:42,920 --> 01:34:46,000 So, you know, it's, it's so it's been so good. 1663 01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:49,280 And she stayed healthy and like, yeah, it's, it's it's so 1664 01:34:49,280 --> 01:34:51,080 impressive. So yeah, I think, yeah, I think 1665 01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:52,720 we now want to see her on a fast course. 1666 01:34:52,720 --> 01:34:55,120 So maybe that is a Chicago in the fall that would be really 1667 01:34:55,240 --> 01:34:59,000 cool to see, to see what she can really do having, you know, 1668 01:34:59,000 --> 01:35:03,360 after that 217 last year, 218 this year in Boston. 1669 01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:05,920 I think, you know, yeah, let's let's see if she can get her 1670 01:35:06,320 --> 01:35:10,040 something record eligible. That's that's super fast. 1671 01:35:11,080 --> 01:35:13,760 All right, so then big, just quick shout out to Luis Chen 1672 01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:16,600 Mung who finished second. That's a breakthrough. 1673 01:35:16,600 --> 01:35:18,280 I think that was a long time coming. 1674 01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:21,360 And then in 3rd place is Mary and Googie Cooper, who 3rd 1675 01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:24,120 podium in Boston. She was ready to hang it up, I 1676 01:35:24,120 --> 01:35:27,240 think last year after a bit of a bumper of a performance and then 1677 01:35:27,440 --> 01:35:30,040 she goes and breaks 220 in Chicago and now ends up on the 1678 01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:32,800 podium again. So any sort of retirement hopes 1679 01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:34,600 put that on ice for a little bit. 1680 01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:38,320 And then I want to talk about the Americans, of course. 1681 01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:43,840 So Jess McClain, just I we got to spend some time with her on 1682 01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:46,800 Saturday morning. And, you know, I think it was 1683 01:35:47,680 --> 01:35:51,480 not when we had the microphones on, but she knew that just what 1684 01:35:51,480 --> 01:35:53,760 all the talk was about the tailwind and the conditions. 1685 01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:57,480 And so she was one of those people who was like, all right, 1686 01:35:57,480 --> 01:36:03,040 we're going to full send it. And she heard kudos to her and 1687 01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:06,760 Annie Frisbee for being the two Americans to connect with the 1688 01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:11,320 with the leaders and try and hang on for as long as possible. 1689 01:36:11,320 --> 01:36:15,080 Which for Jess I think maybe came to around 2021 ish. 1690 01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:17,800 And instead of what we've seen in previous races. 1691 01:36:18,000 --> 01:36:21,000 Especially if, you know, going thinking to the 24 trials or 1692 01:36:21,000 --> 01:36:24,720 even Boston last year where she just is a bit more measured and 1693 01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:27,760 picks people off after they die from the hot pace. 1694 01:36:29,200 --> 01:36:32,680 She covered the move. And then at the same time also, 1695 01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:35,880 you know, in that final 10K picked off some of the people 1696 01:36:35,880 --> 01:36:40,800 who died from Lucketti surges. So one of those people in the 1697 01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:44,360 final stretch on Boylston Street was Irene Chepti, you know, a 1698 01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:48,720 217 runner. So Jess looked strong all 1699 01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:51,840 around. She's so easy to root for, 1700 01:36:52,120 --> 01:36:57,040 obviously like full time job outside of running 4th many 1701 01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:01,760 times. And given the everything that 1702 01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:06,080 happened in Atlanta, you're just always, I think looking for a 1703 01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:09,040 big day from her. And so she she turned that in 1704 01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:14,320 for sure. And yeah, now this is her second 1705 01:37:14,320 --> 01:37:17,240 time finishing as top American in Boston. 1706 01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:23,160 And then we had who I mean, it was just like the Americans 1707 01:37:23,160 --> 01:37:26,280 helped make the race before Sharon blew it open. 1708 01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:29,320 You had Suzanna Sullivan leading the field from 5K to 10K. 1709 01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:32,920 Dakota propane up in the front hyping up the crowd through 1710 01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:35,560 Wellesley. Cody Klavan, who maybe a lot of 1711 01:37:35,560 --> 01:37:38,000 people didn't realize know who who she was. 1712 01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:45,280 She's was a 229 runner out of Utah with some ultra and trail 1713 01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:48,160 background. She also was in there trying to 1714 01:37:48,280 --> 01:37:52,360 press from the front. Annie Frisbee did some good work 1715 01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:55,160 there as well. So the Americans had a really 1716 01:37:55,160 --> 01:37:58,640 good day where I think I'm looking at this right now. 1717 01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:04,640 So Jess minute 54 PB. Annie Frisbee minute 21 PB. 1718 01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:09,320 Carrie Elwood 8 minute and 58 second PB. 1719 01:38:10,400 --> 01:38:13,560 Elena Heyday. I saw her post on Instagram. 1720 01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:16,680 Did you see that one? She had the craziest chafing 1721 01:38:16,680 --> 01:38:20,680 like you know from her the bottoms that she was wearing and 1722 01:38:20,680 --> 01:38:23,800 it was a bloody mess. That probably was not a fun 1723 01:38:23,800 --> 01:38:29,400 shower to take after afterwards. But she ran a six six minute PB 1724 01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:35,280 to run 224 sixth American over 6th American, 13th overall. 1725 01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:38,920 Cody Klevin 224 that's a 4 1/2 minute PB. 1726 01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:43,680 Amanda Vestry, 8th American 224 almost a minute PB. 1727 01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:50,040 Just across the board. It was maybe not as big of a day 1728 01:38:50,040 --> 01:38:53,720 as compared to like the the men's American side in terms of 1729 01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:57,040 the by of like how much people took off of their personal best 1730 01:38:57,840 --> 01:39:00,840 or how many people had as good of days. 1731 01:39:00,840 --> 01:39:08,280 But yeah, I mean, the top end, say those top eight Americans 1732 01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:12,280 had strong showings. Yeah, absolutely. 1733 01:39:12,280 --> 01:39:14,480 I mean, maybe maybe before before I get on to the 1734 01:39:14,480 --> 01:39:16,960 Americans, I think marrying Cooper, I just wanted to say 1735 01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:19,880 that she she's very interesting. Obviously she used to. 1736 01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:22,200 I think she's, I don't think she's coached by Steve Cram 1737 01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:25,120 anymore. She was until recently, but she 1738 01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:28,200 kind of talked about how she's kind of gone back to basics. 1739 01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:30,520 She's getting injured a lot and she's gone back to basics, gone 1740 01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:32,880 back to more like traditional Kenyan style training, longer 1741 01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:35,600 running, longer runs, more recovery. 1742 01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:40,200 And so, yeah, interest, like it's just fast night at 37 years 1743 01:39:40,200 --> 01:39:42,400 old. Like she loves Boston so much. 1744 01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:45,120 It's the 11th marathon and her 7th Boston. 1745 01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:49,600 So, you know, yeah, very, very impressive from her to get back 1746 01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:53,360 on that podium. And yeah, Jess McClain, as you 1747 01:39:53,360 --> 01:39:56,920 said, right, Like someone who's so easy to root for and, and 1748 01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:02,640 like, after what happened in the half marathon championships, I 1749 01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:04,920 think we all wanted her to, to have a good day. 1750 01:40:06,040 --> 01:40:10,880 And, and she absolutely delivered there, you know, and, 1751 01:40:10,960 --> 01:40:13,840 and yeah, she, she, she, she looked really strong. 1752 01:40:13,840 --> 01:40:18,720 And, and this again kind of says, like, I really want to see 1753 01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:21,840 her in a, in a fast race and, and see what she can do, right? 1754 01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:25,240 Can she can she get close to 2:20? 1755 01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:27,480 Maybe even break 220? I don't know. 1756 01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:29,400 How close did you get to America record for Jess? 1757 01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:32,520 Yeah, for for Jess. I you know, I want to see what 1758 01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:35,280 she can do, right. I think, I think she like the 1759 01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:38,760 shape she's in right now. It looks like she's super duper 1760 01:40:38,760 --> 01:40:41,400 fit. And there's there's. 1761 01:40:42,360 --> 01:40:45,680 Yeah, I guess like maybe I push back a little bit on that. 1762 01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:52,280 Just what's the point when like, you know, in if say you've got 1763 01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:59,880 two, maybe three more marathons before the trials, you can just 1764 01:40:59,880 --> 01:41:03,240 continue to prove you're one of the best and most consistent 1765 01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:06,120 Americans just among the Americans. 1766 01:41:06,120 --> 01:41:10,360 And so you stick to that New York, Boston rotation for the 1767 01:41:10,360 --> 01:41:16,160 next, you know, year and a half. I don't think she needs to show 1768 01:41:16,160 --> 01:41:18,200 her cards. I know she's not getting any 1769 01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:21,160 younger, any younger. And she's already just sort of 1770 01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:26,400 like she's 34, I think, not necessarily saying like that 1771 01:41:26,400 --> 01:41:31,480 she's near her peak, but I think what Jess has is the benefit of 1772 01:41:31,840 --> 01:41:36,840 the years away from the sport. So it's not as many taxing miles 1773 01:41:36,840 --> 01:41:40,960 on the legs and so not as much and and no injuries in that time 1774 01:41:42,040 --> 01:41:46,560 that she can have that window afterwards. 1775 01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:49,920 So I'm just playing with with someone like Jess. 1776 01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:52,680 I think it's played a little bit more conservative and don't you 1777 01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:55,760 don't need to pop the quick fast 218. 1778 01:41:56,800 --> 01:42:00,920 The only reason why I say you do that is because because like, I 1779 01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:04,560 think that's what gave someone like an Emily Sisson who went 1780 01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:08,280 out and ran the 218, like she had the confidence that it 1781 01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:11,760 didn't matter. She had the legs to run however 1782 01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:15,840 fast she needed to in the middle of the Olympic trials race to to 1783 01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:20,800 kind of to, you know, match any move and to and and now, like 1784 01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:23,960 the big thing is like people are putting in these crazy splits in 1785 01:42:23,960 --> 01:42:26,880 the middle of races, right? And you know it. 1786 01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:29,240 It means. But Jess. 1787 01:42:29,640 --> 01:42:32,240 Has a track background and she's not that far removed from the 1788 01:42:32,240 --> 01:42:33,840 track. She gets a lot of experience 1789 01:42:33,840 --> 01:42:36,480 over, you know, the shorter races. 1790 01:42:36,480 --> 01:42:39,400 I just don't think, like, you need to exhaust yourself in the 1791 01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:40,960 marathon. Like, I'm not even sure even on 1792 01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:43,880 the American, on the American men's side, I'm not, I don't 1793 01:42:43,880 --> 01:42:47,640 need to see Zuhair go pop a 2O3 to break the American record 1794 01:42:47,880 --> 01:42:50,880 over the next 18 months. Is he? 1795 01:42:51,240 --> 01:42:54,840 Like there's just something to just where the women's American 1796 01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:58,840 record is at right now with just sis and setting it at 2:18 and 1797 01:42:58,840 --> 01:43:01,240 no one else really having broken 2:20. 1798 01:43:01,480 --> 01:43:04,440 That I don't think you necessarily need to exhaust 1799 01:43:04,440 --> 01:43:09,200 yourself and try and get close to it because right now it's out 1800 01:43:09,200 --> 01:43:11,960 there as an outlier right now with this, the body of 1801 01:43:11,960 --> 01:43:15,920 competitors that we have. Is it nice if she goes out and 1802 01:43:15,920 --> 01:43:21,480 runs, you know, a 221 in Berlin, she's not going to have the same 1803 01:43:21,480 --> 01:43:26,160 conditions as she did in Boston. So but then now, are you 1804 01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:29,240 discouraged because you didn't come close to the time you just 1805 01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:33,080 ran? So, yeah, I don't think she 1806 01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:35,960 needs to go. And I don't think Jess is one of 1807 01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:38,520 those people who's spoken out and be like, I want to go break 1808 01:43:38,520 --> 01:43:43,640 like the American record. No, no, no, that's fair. 1809 01:43:43,640 --> 01:43:48,400 But yeah, as I say, I just think like there's always a limited 1810 01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:50,760 window to do these things. And if you're in that kind of 1811 01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:54,720 shape, it's like, why not give it a shot and do something like 1812 01:43:54,720 --> 01:43:55,640 because. You could get hurt. 1813 01:43:55,960 --> 01:43:58,240 Yeah, yeah, that's also true, but. 1814 01:43:58,240 --> 01:44:02,040 I think keep things the same as they are right now because if 1815 01:44:02,040 --> 01:44:05,560 you can hold this and maybe tweak the training a little bit, 1816 01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:10,880 she'll be in a good spot. Because I'll, I'll go through my 1817 01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:16,760 women's rankings right now for and, and in that way, like it 1818 01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:20,160 does tie in just sort of like who she'll be up against come 1819 01:44:20,200 --> 01:44:24,360 2028. So these are my way too early. 1820 01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:32,680 2028 US Olympic Trials Women's rankings 15 Lindsay Flanagan 14 1821 01:44:32,720 --> 01:44:39,640 Molly Born 13 Emma Bates We're holding that spot until she gets 1822 01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:47,280 back from maternity leave. 12 Erica Kemp. 11 Natasha Rogers. 1823 01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:49,760 In retrospect, I'm feeling that one might be a little bit low. 1824 01:44:50,920 --> 01:44:57,560 10 Carrie Elwood 9 Emma Grace Hurley yet to make her marathon 1825 01:44:57,560 --> 01:45:04,320 debut. 8 Susanna Sullivan. She had a very like forgetful 1826 01:45:04,320 --> 01:45:09,320 day 228, 19th PL. in Boston, but fourth in Tokyo. 1827 01:45:10,040 --> 01:45:16,600 I think that we saw some good, some signs there. 7th Taylor 1828 01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:19,800 Rowe, although a year from now might be higher. 1829 01:45:20,800 --> 01:45:24,840 Sixth, Amanda Vestry, who's like, I think that's a solid 1830 01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:33,320 spot. 5th Dakota Propane hasn't quite had the fitness aligned 1831 01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:34,920 with the performance on race day. 1832 01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:38,280 Once again, I mean, you look at her workouts and how she 1833 01:45:38,280 --> 01:45:42,240 transfer these things like like the engine is there. 1834 01:45:43,560 --> 01:45:49,320 It just hasn't quite come together. 5th No, wait, was that 1835 01:45:49,320 --> 01:45:51,680 this is fourth Wait, did I mess this up? 1836 01:45:52,720 --> 01:45:55,640 My numbers might be wrong here, but next I've got Emily Sisson. 1837 01:45:58,680 --> 01:46:02,160 So we had this whole she's a rhythm runner who doesn't do 1838 01:46:02,160 --> 01:46:06,400 great on hills narrative kind of can put that to bed a little bit 1839 01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:10,720 because she did run 222 9th PL. finish. 1840 01:46:11,080 --> 01:46:15,000 I mean, I think there was some similar to who we'll get to in a 1841 01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:17,240 second. Couple doubts of just sort of 1842 01:46:17,240 --> 01:46:19,000 like this not being the perfect build. 1843 01:46:19,000 --> 01:46:20,680 Like do we race? Do we not race? 1844 01:46:22,320 --> 01:46:25,800 But if there's someone who's hoping for Phoenix to win out 1845 01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:28,920 and win the marathon Trials, build? 1846 01:46:29,760 --> 01:46:31,440 Which will be. Flat and fast. 1847 01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:35,760 Then it's Emily Sisson, who is also trained a ton in the 1848 01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:40,480 Phoenix area so that she's fingers crossed, biggest 1849 01:46:40,480 --> 01:46:46,280 proponent for Phoenix. Then we've got Annie Frisbee. 1850 01:46:48,360 --> 01:46:54,080 That's number four because at this point she strung together 1851 01:46:54,760 --> 01:46:58,600 second American in Boston last year, second American in New 1852 01:46:58,600 --> 01:47:01,160 York last year, second American in Boston. 1853 01:47:01,600 --> 01:47:07,560 By that trend, that's all you need for the trials in 2028 to 1854 01:47:07,640 --> 01:47:09,600 make the team. You just got to finish the top 1855 01:47:09,680 --> 01:47:13,760 three. So she's different from Sisson 1856 01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:16,040 in the sense of like when you look at your sort of where those 1857 01:47:16,040 --> 01:47:19,280 good performances have come, those are challenging courses, 1858 01:47:19,640 --> 01:47:23,120 Boston and New York. So she's maybe in the Give Me 1859 01:47:23,120 --> 01:47:26,640 Saint Louis camp where it's not expected to be flat. 1860 01:47:27,440 --> 01:47:34,400 Now who are the top 3 #3? Wayne Kolodi for now is where 1861 01:47:34,400 --> 01:47:38,440 I'll slot her in here. Fall marathon debut is what's 1862 01:47:38,440 --> 01:47:43,520 anticipated for 2026. She's rarely had a bad day to 1863 01:47:43,520 --> 01:47:46,800 finish outside of the podium when it's just among American 1864 01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:49,800 competition. If she chooses to make her debut 1865 01:47:49,800 --> 01:47:54,000 in Chicago, which is a Nike race and she's a Nike athlete, then 1866 01:47:54,120 --> 01:47:56,400 maybe that's where you see her go for a quick time. 1867 01:47:56,400 --> 01:47:59,960 And again, sort of like that's her first, first, first time. 1868 01:47:59,960 --> 01:48:02,240 So maybe she's just looking to get something on the board. 1869 01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:09,320 But she does have the wheels and maybe a similar resume to Sisson 1870 01:48:09,320 --> 01:48:12,600 coming when she ran sort of like Sisson needed a couple of 1871 01:48:12,600 --> 01:48:15,600 attempts at the marathon before finally, you know, getting it 1872 01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:19,840 right in Chicago with Wayne. She's got that talent. 1873 01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:24,520 It's just she wouldn't have the reps, but could she in her first 1874 01:48:24,520 --> 01:48:26,040 shot? That would be crazy. 1875 01:48:26,680 --> 01:48:30,240 But if she just goes and runs 220 in her debut in Chicago, 1876 01:48:30,240 --> 01:48:31,880 that's also like a really good day. 1877 01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:36,560 She could try and go to New York and just compete, which is 1878 01:48:36,560 --> 01:48:41,720 something that she's good at. Her coach, Steven Haas, same 1879 01:48:41,720 --> 01:48:45,160 coach as Sharon. Sharon debuted in New York. 1880 01:48:45,560 --> 01:48:47,400 Sharon won her debut in New York. 1881 01:48:47,400 --> 01:48:52,040 So could Wayney also potentially, you know, turn out 1882 01:48:52,040 --> 01:48:55,560 that magic by 2028? If she starts this fall, she 1883 01:48:55,560 --> 01:48:59,160 should also have at least two marathons of experience before 1884 01:48:59,160 --> 01:49:03,240 the trials. So that's, you know, a thought 1885 01:49:03,240 --> 01:49:10,920 to so Wayney's number 3 #2 Jess McClain, like again, she's 1886 01:49:10,920 --> 01:49:15,920 stacking consistency as one of America's top marathoners. 1887 01:49:16,640 --> 01:49:20,520 And Monday's race was very impressive. 1888 01:49:20,520 --> 01:49:24,840 Again, you couple that with being 7th in Boston last year, 1889 01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:28,360 8th at the World Championships. She's good. 1890 01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:31,800 And just avoid any sort of injury. 1891 01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:36,080 She's very strong. People would love it if she made 1892 01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:40,120 this the team in 2028. And then number one, who we 1893 01:49:40,120 --> 01:49:42,760 haven't talked about yet is Fiona O'Keefe, who scratched 1894 01:49:42,760 --> 01:49:48,120 from this race, you know, a day before because of a torn 1895 01:49:48,120 --> 01:49:51,640 hamstring. And for now, she stays in the 1896 01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:55,440 number one spot because but with the big caveat is if she can 1897 01:49:55,440 --> 01:49:58,360 stay healthy, it's the same thing with sort of Conor Manz 1898 01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:02,560 where if they are healthy, we see what they can do against the 1899 01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:06,000 best in the world. And when you, you know, strip 1900 01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:10,040 down the East Africans and keep it to just Americans, they are 1901 01:50:10,040 --> 01:50:13,800 still just sort of a level up on the next best person. 1902 01:50:14,120 --> 01:50:18,960 So with Fiona, we saw that, you know, we saw a fantastic debut 1903 01:50:19,160 --> 01:50:23,760 in Orlando and you know, unfortunately, you know, the DNF 1904 01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:28,520 in Paris, but comes back, you know, a year plus later to crush 1905 01:50:28,520 --> 01:50:31,640 it in New York and hang with the some of the best in the world. 1906 01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:33,920 Like that doesn't necessarily go away. 1907 01:50:33,920 --> 01:50:37,400 And I would have, you know, she was very firmly being among the 1908 01:50:37,400 --> 01:50:41,040 people in conversation to be top American here in Boston. 1909 01:50:41,040 --> 01:50:43,880 So I'm not ready to discard any of that just yet. 1910 01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:48,200 It's a wait and see. So that is right now, I guess 1911 01:50:48,200 --> 01:50:50,680 like how I'm sizing up the rankings. 1912 01:50:50,680 --> 01:50:53,560 People who didn't make that top 15 though, like it was hard. 1913 01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:57,200 Kier d'amato not in there and Nicur got not in there, but she 1914 01:50:57,200 --> 01:51:00,360 could easily, once she makes her debut and run something well, 1915 01:51:00,480 --> 01:51:03,680 end up cracking in there at like number 86. 1916 01:51:03,680 --> 01:51:05,720 Whatever. Sarah Hall's not in there. 1917 01:51:06,280 --> 01:51:09,920 Elena Heyday, Cody Clevins, Paige Wood, Maddie Dixon, Megan 1918 01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:12,080 O'Neill, Those people are not in there right now. 1919 01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:16,600 But right now, if you told me who's making the marathon team 1920 01:51:16,600 --> 01:51:21,200 in 2028, I'm thinking Fiona, Jess and Wayne, but maybe also 1921 01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:24,480 Andy Frisby. All right, So what did you think 1922 01:51:24,480 --> 01:51:28,120 of that list? Yeah, no, again, fair, fair. 1923 01:51:28,120 --> 01:51:29,760 I mean, yeah, it's tough, right? It's tough. 1924 01:51:29,760 --> 01:51:33,960 I, I, I, I do think a healthy Emily system is, is very 1925 01:51:33,960 --> 01:51:38,160 dangerous, like especially if it is, as you say, a potentially A 1926 01:51:38,160 --> 01:51:40,360 flatter course. But I think she's proving. 1927 01:51:40,360 --> 01:51:46,560 And, and she's deliberately gone out to to improve on these, you 1928 01:51:46,560 --> 01:51:49,320 know, Helia courses. And and she, she kind of said 1929 01:51:49,320 --> 01:51:53,080 with this build, like she feels comfortable on the hills now. 1930 01:51:53,080 --> 01:51:58,880 She feels confident and she's she's, you know, she, she has, 1931 01:51:59,640 --> 01:52:02,240 you know, shown that with her performance as a third American 1932 01:52:02,240 --> 01:52:06,440 here today. So I do wonder whether she 1933 01:52:06,440 --> 01:52:10,520 should be higher up, given her ceiling is higher than than some 1934 01:52:10,520 --> 01:52:14,680 of the other other marathoners that on a good day, I she could, 1935 01:52:14,720 --> 01:52:18,720 she could be right up there. And, and especially I think when 1936 01:52:18,720 --> 01:52:21,440 it is an all American field, I think just the dynamics change a 1937 01:52:21,440 --> 01:52:23,320 little bit. And I think she's kind of shown 1938 01:52:23,320 --> 01:52:27,440 that she has that ability to to really get amongst it when it's 1939 01:52:27,480 --> 01:52:29,200 when it's just an American field. 1940 01:52:29,200 --> 01:52:33,840 So I think I think she's she's probably a bigger threat. 1941 01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:36,600 Yeah. And I'll be intrigued to see 1942 01:52:36,600 --> 01:52:39,520 like if some of these ultra runners like Cody, Cody Clevern 1943 01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:41,400 is, is kind of shown in that race. 1944 01:52:41,400 --> 01:52:43,240 Like she was very impressive, obviously being right up the 1945 01:52:43,240 --> 01:52:47,560 front and and you can understand like an ultra runner when the 1946 01:52:47,560 --> 01:52:49,760 race was going that slow, she would want to go a little bit 1947 01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:51,480 faster because she's probably not going to have the wheels to 1948 01:52:51,480 --> 01:52:56,720 kind of accelerate that much. But if she could run, run her 1949 01:52:56,720 --> 01:53:00,040 pace a bit bit more than than that works for her. 1950 01:53:00,040 --> 01:53:02,400 So, but that was that was fascinating to see. 1951 01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:05,400 So I will be intrigued to see if if some of these ultra runners, 1952 01:53:05,400 --> 01:53:08,080 does that mean Molly Seidel makes a comeback for the for the 1953 01:53:08,080 --> 01:53:12,800 2028 trials and given her forays into the ultra world. 1954 01:53:14,560 --> 01:53:17,480 Funny you bring her up because I did, I did just interview her 1955 01:53:17,480 --> 01:53:22,240 for my book and toward the end, this probably won't make it into 1956 01:53:22,240 --> 01:53:25,160 the book. You know, I did sort of ask her 1957 01:53:25,160 --> 01:53:29,600 where she's at with the marathon and she is very happy in the 1958 01:53:29,600 --> 01:53:33,400 trails and I love that for her. But she's like, you know, maybe 1959 01:53:33,840 --> 01:53:38,200 I was thinking I could qualify for the marathon trials and just 1960 01:53:38,200 --> 01:53:41,080 show up at the, you know, the trials and see what happens. 1961 01:53:42,160 --> 01:53:45,000 She joked. She was like, and I'm thinking 1962 01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:49,600 the way I qualify would be run a half marathon just like she did 1963 01:53:49,600 --> 01:53:51,720 in 2020. But then I broke it to her. 1964 01:53:51,720 --> 01:53:53,280 I was like, you know, you're already qualified, right? 1965 01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:54,880 You can just show up. And she goes, what? 1966 01:53:55,160 --> 01:53:58,560 And I said to her, I was like, as a member of the 2020 Olympic 1967 01:53:58,560 --> 01:54:01,800 team, like, you automatically get a spot and she goes, oh, 1968 01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:03,760 well, that defeats the whole purpose of going out there and 1969 01:54:03,760 --> 01:54:05,920 trying to run a fast time. So. 1970 01:54:06,600 --> 01:54:08,040 Yeah. So she. 1971 01:54:09,240 --> 01:54:14,520 Yeah, I I don't know where she would fall in these rankings if 1972 01:54:14,520 --> 01:54:17,080 she made a comeback. I'd need to see something quick 1973 01:54:17,440 --> 01:54:21,680 to to think that she would crack these the top 15. 1974 01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:24,680 I could see maybe Molly cracking the top. 1975 01:54:26,160 --> 01:54:29,000 This is I guess the the important distinction here is 1976 01:54:29,000 --> 01:54:33,680 that what these rankings are not how a race may play out where 1977 01:54:33,680 --> 01:54:38,760 it's like 1 to 15. This is more so their odds to 1978 01:54:38,760 --> 01:54:42,920 make the team like I think so, yeah. 1979 01:54:43,600 --> 01:54:48,120 So I'm sure there'll be some comments, some reactions to it. 1980 01:54:48,120 --> 01:54:50,600 I mean, I think there's the likes of there's others that are 1981 01:54:50,600 --> 01:54:52,960 obviously going to come through. I think the likes of an Emily 1982 01:54:52,960 --> 01:54:55,800 Infeld could be quite interesting if she decides to 1983 01:54:55,800 --> 01:54:58,680 transition to the marathon. Yeah, I. 1984 01:54:58,720 --> 01:55:00,600 Just don't know if that she's making the jump a little too 1985 01:55:00,600 --> 01:55:02,880 late. Maybe, yeah, obviously she's got 1986 01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:04,440 to come back from certainly first. 1987 01:55:05,720 --> 01:55:08,160 But yeah, there may be some others who who get in the mix 1988 01:55:08,160 --> 01:55:11,640 and and I think there's also. Like Betsy Sainer, is that on 1989 01:55:11,640 --> 01:55:13,560 the list? Betsy Sainer is not on the list 1990 01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:15,360 yet. And I think there's there's 1991 01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:18,080 there's potential for some of these post collegians as like an 1992 01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:19,960 Emily Venters. There's there's people like that 1993 01:55:19,960 --> 01:55:23,160 as well out there who I think. Venters has some upside. 1994 01:55:23,320 --> 01:55:26,840 She ran just like what, 232 or something like that, like at the 1995 01:55:26,880 --> 01:55:29,520 Yeah Ordo 252 I think it was right. 1996 01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:32,080 In her debut, yeah. But that was yeah, yeah. 1997 01:55:32,280 --> 01:55:35,280 Exactly. Disastrous, but but. 1998 01:55:35,280 --> 01:55:37,360 No allegiance switches that we know of, right? 1999 01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:42,080 Well, I think obviously that now going forward is going to be 2000 01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:45,200 going to be tricky, right? As we've we've talked about, 2001 01:55:45,200 --> 01:55:48,520 right, that there's a there's a big limit on that now going 2002 01:55:48,520 --> 01:55:50,840 forward. And there is going to be a 2003 01:55:50,840 --> 01:55:54,520 question for USATF as to if there are people who want to 2004 01:55:54,520 --> 01:55:58,880 transfer allegiance who haven't done so yet, then then do they 2005 01:55:58,880 --> 01:56:01,800 put them forward or not? And it will depend what country 2006 01:56:01,800 --> 01:56:03,920 they're from as well. So if they're Kenyan, there 2007 01:56:03,920 --> 01:56:06,160 might be a limit because there's only going to be allowed two in 2008 01:56:06,160 --> 01:56:10,000 the whole Olympic cycle, for example, would say if there are 2009 01:56:10,000 --> 01:56:12,960 countries where we might get more than more than two, then 2010 01:56:13,560 --> 01:56:17,000 then that will be tricky. So that there are kind of tough, 2011 01:56:19,560 --> 01:56:20,920 Yeah. It'll be interesting to see what 2012 01:56:20,920 --> 01:56:23,600 USATF does around that and whether they in fact have any 2013 01:56:24,200 --> 01:56:25,400 rules. They might need to start putting 2014 01:56:25,400 --> 01:56:29,000 in place rules about how they prioritize, how they pick, given 2015 01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:32,240 how the rules are around the trials and trying to make it as 2016 01:56:32,240 --> 01:56:37,040 equitable as possible. How do they decide who deserves 2017 01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:38,760 to be one of their allegiance transfers? 2018 01:56:38,920 --> 01:56:40,920 I don't know. Yeah, that's going to be 2019 01:56:40,920 --> 01:56:44,680 interesting over. All right, so that does it for 2020 01:56:44,840 --> 01:56:47,320 the. I wanted to give a shout to 2021 01:56:47,520 --> 01:56:51,480 Kelly Hawka Thackery. 22 years pregnant, 243. 2022 01:56:52,360 --> 01:56:54,920 Yeah, that's well, yeah. Five months pregnant. 2023 01:56:55,880 --> 01:56:59,640 Yeah. Running 243 with three stops, 2024 01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:03,720 including a Med tent and and stuff a stop. 2025 01:57:03,720 --> 01:57:06,200 So probably. Med tent stopped during the 2026 01:57:06,200 --> 01:57:07,840 race. Yeah, Med tent stopped because 2027 01:57:07,840 --> 01:57:13,800 she had a trapped nerve, 2 bathroom breaks and she still 2028 01:57:13,800 --> 01:57:17,280 completed the race at 2:43. So I don't know whether she lost 2029 01:57:17,280 --> 01:57:22,480 10510 minutes to that probably. So she probably run, run ran 2030 01:57:22,480 --> 01:57:25,120 something a fair bit quicker in terms of moving time. 2031 01:57:25,720 --> 01:57:27,080 I think she said this is it though, right? 2032 01:57:27,080 --> 01:57:31,520 Like no more races. I don't know, but I imagine I. 2033 01:57:31,600 --> 01:57:32,960 Imagine you want to say. I hope so. 2034 01:57:33,480 --> 01:57:36,280 I don't know. I don't know, but I imagine it's 2035 01:57:36,280 --> 01:57:39,040 like, I mean, to be fair, like she might, she might decide to 2036 01:57:39,040 --> 01:57:41,840 run something shorter for fun. Like not not a. 2037 01:57:41,960 --> 01:57:44,720 Park Run. A park yeah, I don't like I 2038 01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:47,040 think she's going to continue training right, like she will 2039 01:57:47,240 --> 01:57:50,360 continue doing something and maybe that because like Emily 2040 01:57:50,360 --> 01:57:52,960 Infeld as well has been sharing like the back out she's been 2041 01:57:52,960 --> 01:57:55,360 doing in sub. 5. Yes, pretty cool. 2042 01:57:55,360 --> 01:57:56,840 So pretty cool stuff she's been doing. 2043 01:57:56,840 --> 01:58:00,240 So I mean, yeah, look, it's, it's, it's amazing. 2044 01:58:00,240 --> 01:58:03,720 And, and I think it's really cool that we are and it's 2045 01:58:03,720 --> 01:58:06,280 inspirational, right. And like, I'm sure there are 2046 01:58:06,280 --> 01:58:09,520 other women who have have done stuff like that maybe as well. 2047 01:58:09,520 --> 01:58:13,080 But, but I think Kali or Guthakri sharing her journey, I 2048 01:58:13,080 --> 01:58:15,680 mean, in felt sharing her journey is, is inspirational to, 2049 01:58:15,720 --> 01:58:18,920 to other athletes, especially doing what they're doing right 2050 01:58:18,920 --> 01:58:20,760 now in terms of training and stuff. 2051 01:58:21,160 --> 01:58:23,680 I don't know, that's obviously not necessarily for everyone, 2052 01:58:23,680 --> 01:58:29,520 but but for, for those people who can and, and carry on doing, 2053 01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:31,400 doing this kind of stuff while they're pregnant. 2054 01:58:31,400 --> 01:58:33,600 That's, that's amazing. And it's, it's cool to see And 2055 01:58:33,600 --> 01:58:37,320 it, it shows that, you know, your, you know, limits are kind 2056 01:58:37,320 --> 01:58:43,840 of there to be broken. Yeah. 2057 01:58:43,840 --> 01:58:48,280 So based off of all these babies that these pro runners are 2058 01:58:48,280 --> 01:58:53,160 having, maybe we could even start to do the early 2052 2059 01:58:54,240 --> 01:58:57,600 trials power rankings. It seems like it's trending in 2060 01:58:57,600 --> 01:59:01,240 that way. The world will be too hot by 2061 01:59:01,240 --> 01:59:06,000 then pre for us to even host the Summer Olympics in 2052. 2062 01:59:07,280 --> 01:59:12,400 All right, well that does it for another episode of this week in 2063 01:59:12,400 --> 01:59:15,640 track and field. We will have another episode 2064 01:59:15,640 --> 01:59:18,800 dropping later this week when Preet and I can line up to 2065 01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:24,040 preview the 2026 London Marathon that will be taking place. 2066 01:59:24,320 --> 01:59:27,040 Preet, you'll be at the press conference on Thursday, so maybe 2067 01:59:27,040 --> 01:59:30,480 getting some insights from the pros there and then joining us 2068 01:59:30,480 --> 01:59:35,280 for pod. And just keep your eyes peeled 2069 01:59:35,280 --> 01:59:38,600 and make sure you're subscribed to the show on Apple Podcast or 2070 01:59:38,600 --> 01:59:41,760 you're following on Spotify. If you can take a moment to 2071 01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:46,840 leave a five star review that we appreciate that a ton either 2072 01:59:46,840 --> 01:59:49,960 for, you know, these weekly discussions that we have on all 2073 01:59:49,960 --> 01:59:52,640 of the news or for some of the interviews. 2074 01:59:52,920 --> 01:59:55,960 We are lining up tons of guests over the next couple days. 2075 01:59:55,960 --> 01:59:59,920 I think I've got 4 Boston Marathon recaps to record 2076 01:59:59,920 --> 02:00:03,680 tomorrow, so. Those will be coming on the 2077 02:00:03,680 --> 02:00:05,640 feed, so make sure you're subscribed and you don't miss 2078 02:00:05,640 --> 02:00:07,720 them. But I've been Chris Chavez on 2079 02:00:07,720 --> 02:00:10,680 behalf of Preet Majithia. We will see you next week 2080 02:00:10,680 --> 02:00:15,000 because or in a couple days because I love track and field. 2081 02:00:16,920 --> 02:00:18,600 All right, that's a wrap on today's episode. 2082 02:00:18,880 --> 02:00:21,600 Thanks for listening, for the time, the curiosity, and for 2083 02:00:21,600 --> 02:00:24,360 making this show part of your routine or your run. 2084 02:00:24,840 --> 02:00:27,680 A big thanks to our producer Jasmine Fair and to everyone 2085 02:00:27,680 --> 02:00:30,680 behind the scenes who helps make the City's Mag podcast happen. 2086 02:00:31,160 --> 02:00:33,160 If you enjoyed today's episode, a quick five star review on 2087 02:00:33,160 --> 02:00:37,040 Apple Podcast or Spotify helps people find this show and we 2088 02:00:37,040 --> 02:00:38,920 read every single one. 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