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My guest for today's episode is 
Fiona O'Keefe, the reigning US 

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Olympic Trials champion and now 
the fastest American woman ever 

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on the New York City Marathon 
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She's also someone who is 
showing us what it looks like to

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grow, stumble and come back 
stronger. 

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In 2024, Fiona burst onto the 
scene in Orlando with a two 

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hour, 22 minute and 10 second 
performance, the fastest debut 

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marathon in American history. 
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performance came the hardest 
stretch of her career, an injury

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that forced her to drop out of 
the Olympic marathon in Paris 

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after just one mile. 
It could have been a moment that

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derailed everything. 
Instead, it became a lesson that

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shaped her next chapter. 
She took her time, and Fiona 

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returned to the marathon in New 
York to prove that patience pays

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off. 
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and 49 seconds and finishing 
fourth against one of the 

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deepest fields in Ray's history.
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hung tough with some of the 
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and reminded everyone why she's 
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We talk about what it means to 
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heartbreak and why she really 
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distance. 
Fiona O'Keefe announce yourself 

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as America's next marathon star 
in Orlando and reminded people 

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that she's at a high level again
in New York. 

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Without further ado, here is 
Fiona O'Keefe. 

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All right, now we welcome back 
Fiona O'Keefe to the City of 

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Span podcast. 
And it's been a while. 

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And now you're coming off of 
A22249 fourth place fastest 

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performance by an American woman
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How good did it feel to get a 
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little bit of a a a layoff? 
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kind of a relief to just get 
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one in. 
Yeah, it was, it was a fun race.

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I feel like there's a lot going 
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like I, I executed solidly, but 
not perfectly. 

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Umm, So I'm excited to, to have 
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can improve on, umm, going into 
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back to it. 
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doing our, like, watch along 
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broadcast and reacting to things
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the YouTube chat had noted how I
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like what could have been at 
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had you been, like, at full 
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like contending against, you 
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the world. 
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well, just as it was unfolding? 
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New York as New York and trying 
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So yeah, that's an interesting 
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Actually. 
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I hadn't thought about that yet.
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like, you know, choosing New 
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order to kind of trace the 
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trip out to Park City and did a 
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up to the Olympics. 
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took place that knocked you out,
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marathon. 
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kind of put out a little bit of 
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sort of like what went down. 
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people maybe have not everyone 
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reading it. 
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you would be probably really 
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sequence of like how that 
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feeling the injury, knowing 
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ultimately, I guess like making 
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that process? 
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through the build up. 
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but I felt good about where my 
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get in a lot of good work. 
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It was like, you know, you do 
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So it's not, it's not anything 
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doing about exactly a week out 
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feeling something like more 
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timing obviously, but you know, 
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can be normal. 
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not like overly concerned. 
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is the first time that I'm 
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like, and I've done so much 
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surely like this will resolve 
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So the next few days we're just 
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was going on, get a lot of 
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And then eventually later in the
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didn't show anything, which was 
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very confusing because it's like
this doesn't really like line up

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with the amount of discomfort 
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But maybe it's something weird 
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like a pinched nerve or 
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And so with that information, it
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we're not seeing that there's 
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point. 
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going with that, like throwing 
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little bit of running here and 
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And the last couple days leading
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coming around much before the 
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So we sat down and we're like, 
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you're running, like you feel 
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there's not much point in, in 
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stops you. 
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mentally prepared, I had to 
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drop out if, if it was 
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wanted to be making. 
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played out. 
Most painful mile you've ever 

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run? 
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mentally. 
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you telling yourself? 
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knowing OK the odds of 
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thing are pretty slim, but I 
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this. 
It, it definitely felt pretty 

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surreal, like a little bit of a 
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But yeah, I guess I was just 
trying to, to stay calm and just

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think about like, OK, I've I've 
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and I'll get through this. 
I just need to need to do what's

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best for for right now and try 
not to worry too much about what

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it means. 
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like, it's the Olympics, right? 
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just kind of magnifies this 
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just so much more. 
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like on the broadcast, like 
follow the leaders and like, you

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know, we, we don't see you after
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What happens then? 
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were only a mile out? 
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off the course and then find, 
you know, your support team? 

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Yeah, yeah, I think I, I just 
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I actually saw my my sister 
right away, started crying 

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immediately. 
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walked back to the start. 
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of felt like there we see it 
from like comments being left on

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post online discourse and all 
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And I feel like what was the 
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heart of that, right? 
Like the decision to run was 

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being just debated and talked 
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And it's like you at the center 
of it and I guess like you're 

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definitely not one of those 
athletes like who's ever looking

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to get at the center of any sort
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that. 
But was that in addition to just

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like the physical pain, just was
that another just harder pill to

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swallow in addition to the 
injury itself? 

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Yeah, definitely after the fact.
I think that going into the race

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and the day of, I was like 
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effort. 
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were making a big effort to like
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affect the decision and, and the
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But after the fact, it was, 
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All the all the chatter around 
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And it was definitely kind of 
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And, you know, I was mainly 
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like, oh, my own experience. 
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like as an athlete to to drop 
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but then to see how I guess it, 
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discourse was around it, like, I
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I I wasn't anticipating it. 
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unfortunate narratives that got 
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I guess I feel really bad for 
Jess too, that like she got 

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I think. 
Yeah, I was just really 

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unfortunate the way that things 
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After all of this, what is it 
that you need the most to kind 

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of start to help put it behind 
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Like was there just sort of like
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hey, all right, I'm taking a 
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body's asking for it. 
Then in addition to that, like 

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log off social media and all 
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So, you know, what was that sort
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really just kind of all right, 
let's, let's put, you know, cast

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these ghosts away for a bit and 
start to focus on what's next. 

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Yeah, yeah, definitely. 
I mean, step one I guess was in 

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addition to disconnecting. 
Step 1 was like, I need to 

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figure out what's going on with 
my body because something is 

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obviously like very wrong, but I
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I have a clear MRI like, which 
made no sense. 

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So I went back to North Carolina
and got an MRI on a different 

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machine with a good orthopedist 
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And he's like, yeah, you have a 
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Like it's pretty bad. 
It's pretty clear. 

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It's right there. 
So I was thankful to get that 

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care and that answer because 
then I was like, OK, I'm not 

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crazy. 
I wasn't just making up some 

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pain in my head, like there was 
something very wrong with my 

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body. 
And maybe I should have pushed 

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for better answers in Paris. 
But, you know, you get a clear 

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MRI. 
You're like, oh, OK, great. 

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That's good news. 
So that was Step 1. 

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So then once I knew what was 
going on, it was like, OK, yeah,

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like, no running. 
You're on crutches. 

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Like, you need to take a break. 
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just had to disconnect from from
the sport for a bit and focus on

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other things, focus on being 
around people that I knew cared 

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about me, like independent of 
running and just, yeah, try to 

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try to put my mind on other 
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Because without even trying to, 
I was, you know, replaying the 

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events of those couple of weeks 
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So I was just trying to put my 
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could, yeah, just feel better, I
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When did you start to feel like,
OK, I'm ready to start to try to

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lean back into the sport? 
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where my family's from for a 
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Montana with some friends, the 
the Aragons. 

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Christina and I were at Stanford
together, and I remember I was 

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just biking with some of the 
girls while they were out for a 

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run. 
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really beautiful out here. 
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know, really enjoying just 
running and chatting and 

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everything. 
And I was like, hell, you know, 

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maybe this isn't so bad. 
Maybe I don't have to resent, 

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like, running forever. 
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started getting more, I guess it
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time to be more deliberate about
cross training and rehab, stuff 

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like that. 
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like pulling out those little 
reminders of like what the sport

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is at its most basic level and 
all the people that it's like 

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brought me close to as well. 
That helped me kind of get back 

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to thinking about what I do 
still love about it. 

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a race on the calendar, was it 
kind because at least like it 

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wasn't a marathon build and 
having this big momentous thing 

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hanging over you on the 
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getting into marathon training 

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could be daunting and also very 
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off of an injury like this. 
So how gradual sort of was that 

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ease back into training and like
when did you get back to doing 

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your first workout? 
Yeah, yeah. 

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the injury. 
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that it was in the femur itself 
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the higher up it is, you know, 
the higher risk. 

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definitely had to be pretty 
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that I wasn't kind of building 
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I guess. 
I think my first workout on the 

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ground was probably sometime in 
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OK. 
Like what was the hardest part? 

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coming off of just like such a 
momentous year where it's like 

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you qualify for your first 
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like excellence is so high. 

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But it's like, did you have to 
have conversations with like Amy

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and Alice? 
You're about to sort of like the

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steps to get back there and it's
not just sort of going to be 

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super quick. 
So like, how would you, what 

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were sort of like the benchmarks
in the comeback to, you know, 

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kind of get yourself all right, 
feeling ready to eventually put 

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something on the calendar to 
race? 

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For a while I just had to be OK 
with not having something on the

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calendar because I knew that 
once I got a race on the 

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training, which is generally a 
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to, you know, ensure that you're
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matter of just trying to keep 

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being patient like over and over
again, even when I was like, oh,

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I'm I'm so ready to like just 
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think about what's next. 
Did you want a marathon first? 

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I was interested in in doing it 
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but I also definitely wanted to 
be smart and I totally 

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understood the logic of of 
waiting until we could really 

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push the training. 
So yeah, I was, I was happy with

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putting 1/2 on the calendar in 
March and and going after that. 

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Yeah, so standing on the 
starting line of the New York 

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City Half Marathon, like, what 
are the feelings? 

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Just just getting there in one 
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I was definitely just really 

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excited to be back there. 
I didn't have like super, you 

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know, that course, people say 
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tougher 1. 
So I didn't necessarily have a 

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time that I, I wanted to hit out
there, but training had gone 

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well enough that I was like, OK,
I feel like I can have a good 

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race out here and just focus on,
on competing against the women 

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around me. 
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really excited to be standing on
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the morning. 
And then getting across the 

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finish line, like how did that 
feel? 

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Yeah, yeah, it was definitely 
exciting. 

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I felt like I was just very 
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So yeah, it's funny how quickly 
it feels normal again, I guess. 

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When you've said, I guess like a
couple times that just like 

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focusing on the race itself, 
both now in, in this instance 

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and then also just sort of 
thinking about New York as New 

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York at the beginning of our 
conversation. 

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It's like, what are you thinking
about? 

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Like as these races are 
unfolding and like people are 

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making moves, you're always it 
seems like toward the front of 

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the the race sometimes dictating
what's happening. 

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So what are you thinking like 
when, when, when you're in these

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race scenarios? 
I don't know, I feel like your 

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thoughts are like a little bit 
more instinctual in a race 

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situation. 
So I guess just trying to, to 

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gauge my effort and make smart 
decisions out there. 

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But also like sometimes it's 
just reminding myself to like 

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stay calm, relax in that moment,
you know, think about the next 

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bottle station, whatever it is 
in, in a marathon. 

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Definitely I'm I'm breaking it 
up in my head a little bit more 

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than in 1/2. 
I feel like 1/2 year like a 

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little bit more on the whole 
time. 

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But the marathon is so long that
to be like super on super 

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competitive the whole time, at 
least in my experience so far. 

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When you went about structuring 
like your summer racing schedule

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and it eventually just, you 
know, deciding to, to do New 

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York, like what was it that you 
wanted to get out of like all 

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those races along the way? 
And it's really funny 'cause I 

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was looking at your results and,
and then you know, it, sometimes

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people draw so much from like, 
hey, I had a really good 25K 

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champs or 20K champs or 10 mile.
And like, this is what it's 

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telling me about the marathon 
and, and how training has been 

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going. 
And then I just sort of looked 

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at the podium of the 8K that you
guys did like maybe the shortest

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distance you could probably 
extract any sort of data points 

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from. 
And it was all you, Annie 

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Frisbee and Amanda Vestry, who 
all had great days in New York. 

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So I guess like what was the 
purpose of an 8K among like all 

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of this? 
And then just sort of what, what

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lessons did you take from each 
one of those races leading into 

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New York? 
Yeah, Yeah. 

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So the the shorter races that I 
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champs and then Beach to Beacon,
both of those were just kind of 

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about practicing racing itself 
and like getting into 

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situations, especially the 6K 
was like pretty early in my in 

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my training. 
So I was like, this one's just 

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gonna hurt. 
Like I know it's not gonna feel 

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good. 
A 6K to me feels very short too.

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So yeah, I just wanted to get in
there and practice being tough 

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when it when I knew I wasn't 
going to feel good. 

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And then for Beach to Beacon, I 
feel like we're we're just kind 

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of like building up the level of
competition a little bit more 

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with each of these races and 
building up the distance as 

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well, I guess. 
So that one I was like, OK, feel

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like I now like the band aids 
ripped off a little bit from the

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six Ki feel like I'm getting in 
better shape. 

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So now I'm just going to go 
really try to race and see what 

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I can do out there. 
And I was, I was happy with that

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result. 
I felt like I was bracing the 

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whole time and not worrying 
about the clock or anything like

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that. 
And then that was like good 

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momentum to then like kind of 
flip the switch and go fully 

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into marathon training from 
there. 

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Yeah, in your announcement post 
when they I guess confirmed the 

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field for New York, you wrote 
been watching this one since, 

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since at least 2017. 
Weren't we all and seen so many 

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inspiring performances there 
since. 

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So what was it that Chilane 
moment did for you when you were

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watching that at 19 years old? 
Because I guess like, it's now 

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you know something that, you 
know, every person in this 

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current generation of American 
marathoners views as like the 

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goal. 
I was. 

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I guess I would have been in my 
sophomore year of college at 

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that point. 
So it felt like so far away. 

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Something like that. 
I didn't think I would end up 

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running the marathon as soon as 
I did, honestly. 

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But it was like, I feel like it 
was just kind of a hopeful 

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moment for all of us seeing an 
American woman dominate at New 

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York and just kind of like, oh, 
wow. 

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Like maybe it is possible. 
Like, I feel like she did there 

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for for our generation, maybe, 
you know, kind of what what Dina

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had done earlier in the decade. 
And yeah, it was just like 

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massively inspiring. 
And then to see does go when 

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Boston the next year, you know, 
is starting to be kind of this 

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this line of American women 
doing big things in major 

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marathons and starting to feel 
less like an accident and more 

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like, OK, like maybe we maybe we
are on to something. 

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Maybe we can compete at this 
level. 

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Yeah. 
And especially, I guess like the

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way that the New York City 
Marathon had been run aside from

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this year, I guess like in the 
the last couple years where, you

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know, the pace sort of lags for 
the first like 20 miles and then

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people eventually do start to 
make moves and go. 

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I guess was that enticing for 
you when you saw just sort of 

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the field? 
And then they obviously then 

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later on announced Sifan Hassan 
was going to be running New York

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and that threw just kind of like
a whole another wild card into 

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the into the field. 
Yeah, yeah. 

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I do think that there is maybe 
more opportunity, or at least it

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feels like it on a course like 
New York where it's not a 

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Chicago, where it's paced super 
fast and you know that people 

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are like, you know, you, you 
might need to show up like ready

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to run 215 if you want to be in 
contention. 

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So it just felt like there could
be a range of different race 

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scenarios and you know, just 
showing up and being competitive

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could get you really far 
depending on what kind of day it

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is out there. 
And then when it came to just 

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sort of like preparing for the 
international competition, which

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like you like at least on the in
the marathon, you had the 

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trials, which was all Americans 
and then now this one. 

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So I guess in the for in the 
lead up to to this one in this 

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training block, First off, how 
did that relationship come 

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about? 
And then what were some of the 

447
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:17,200
biggest lessons you took away 
from training with her? 

448
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,000
Yeah, yeah, training with Vivian
was super cool. 

449
00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:26,080
And it kind of just happened 
through people that we knew 

450
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,360
'cause she's also with Puma and 
had fairly recently, like, come 

451
00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:34,280
over to the US to spend more 
time here, to have her family 

452
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:39,280
out here. 
And I think she talked to Aman 

453
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:43,520
on our team, like at Falmouth, 
and she was just kind of picking

454
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,240
his brain on like, who could I 
train with in the US? 

455
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:52,200
And he mentioned to her there 
that a few of us were going to 

456
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,040
be up in Park City again and in 
September. 

457
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:02,680
So then at that point, I think 
her agent reached out to 

458
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,440
Alistair and got in touch. 
And yeah, it was a really great 

459
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,200
opportunity to to train with her
that last month or so of the 

460
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,400
build and just kind of like get 
little little bits of wisdom 

461
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,840
here and there and just kind of 
see her approach to things. 

462
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,120
In some of the training that you
did, I guess like you started 

463
00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:27,520
touching like sub 220 like 
marathon pace in in in some of 

464
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,040
these workouts, did that feel 
comfortable? 

465
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,120
And I guess, like, when did that
start to feel comfortable for 

466
00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:36,040
you? 
Because I guess like it's sort 

467
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:39,800
of like you, you had this, you 
know, devastating injury last 

468
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,400
year and now you're just kind of
training at a level that you 

469
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,600
haven't been at since I guess 
probably like it as a marathoner

470
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,400
ever. 
I'm used to some of those 

471
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,960
quicker paces from running 
shorter distances. 

472
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,480
So sometimes if we're hitting 
them like for our midweek 

473
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,360
workout that's on the track, 
sometimes it's hard to know 

474
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,680
exactly what it means still in 
the context of marathon training

475
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,040
'cause sometimes they still have
like that comparison to like, 

476
00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:10,200
oh, but I did this in 10K 
training. 

477
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,240
But yeah, it's definitely like 
different when you're in the 

478
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,960
middle of a marathon block 
hitting that kind of mileage. 

479
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:21,520
I would say some of our some of 
our last few long run workouts 

480
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:26,480
up in Park City were definitely 
confidence builders. 

481
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:31,040
When you were in the thick of 
this training block, like, was 

482
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:34,160
there a part of you that was 
just sort of like, OK, marathon 

483
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,880
training sucks, but then at the 
same time, a feeling of 

484
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,080
gratitude of like, being able to
get back to this level? 

485
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,920
Yeah, yeah, definitely. 
Like towards the end of the 

486
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,480
training block, like a little 
part of me is like I'm kind of 

487
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,640
sad, like I want to keep 
training, this is fun, but at 

488
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,640
the same time like this is 
really hard and I'm I'm really 

489
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,400
tired. 
So it's OK that the tapers 

490
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:00,320
coming around now. 
What, what are some of the like 

491
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,040
your favorite parts of the 
training? 

492
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:07,000
Because I guess now that we've 
seen you have these two really 

493
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:11,120
strong marathon performances, 
like it just seems like you like

494
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,760
one would assume like, oh, 
you're so well suited for this 

495
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,840
event. 
Yeah, I guess I feel like just 

496
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,800
the training really builds on 
itself. 

497
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:21,760
So you can see that clear 
improvement from the beginning 

498
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,960
of the block to the middle to 
the end, and that's really cool.

499
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,120
And it's just sometimes you have
these workouts that on paper 

500
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,040
look pretty intimidating and to 
be able to get them done and 

501
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,040
feel strong towards the end of 
them is like, that's always an 

502
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,040
exciting feeling. 
It obviously, obviously you 

503
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:45,960
don't always nail it, but yeah, 
I guess just doing things that 

504
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,720
maybe you haven't done before or
that you're not quite sure if 

505
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,200
you can do like that's always 
exciting. 

506
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,160
Is there one that really sticks 
out to you as like, I was so 

507
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,320
intimidated reading that when 
Alistair and Amy sent it along, 

508
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,920
but then afterwards you're like,
OK, I did it. 

509
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,920
One of the long run workouts 
that we did was a 5 by 4 mile 

510
00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:09,000
and it's like wow, like that 
just. 

511
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:10,200
Sounds like how many miles of 
work? 

512
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:14,360
Yeah, that sounds like a lot 
like I definitely hit that 

513
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:21,320
volume before in long runs, but 
never that much quality within a

514
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,400
long run. 
So yeah, that one sounded pretty

515
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:28,360
inhibitating upfront. 
But yeah, and I wouldn't have 

516
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,720
gone through it without Vivian 
there with me. 

517
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,440
But yeah, I definitely felt like
that was a good indicator. 

518
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:40,800
One, one or two of the midweek 
track sessions where you're 

519
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,160
still like a little bit tired 
from the long run over the 

520
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:48,320
weekend also sounded pretty 
tough going in. 

521
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:55,760
We did one that was like 2K1K 
sets of that and the one KS felt

522
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,920
pretty quick to me. 
But yeah, yeah, it's. 

523
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:04,480
What did you start off with the 
the five by four mile and what 

524
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,640
did you get down to? 
I would need to look because 

525
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,400
there was a road that was like a
little bit uphill one way and a 

526
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,040
little downhill the other. 
So it wasn't like super even, 

527
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:18,640
but we were definitely like well
under 520 by the end. 

528
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,880
So you probably took so much 
confidence from from this build 

529
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,000
up. 
Then you get to New York City as

530
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,120
the race is drawing closer. 
Like, are the nerves starting to

531
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,400
build? 
And it's sort of like, you're 

532
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,040
like, all right, I haven't felt 
this in a while before a 

533
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,400
marathon. 
Definitely. 

534
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,840
But like I've done so many races
at this point that I expect to 

535
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,760
feel nervous and kind of I kind 
of like that feeling a little 

536
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,560
bit too. 
I think that one thing about New

537
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,760
York is just that the city 
itself is like pretty chaotic 

538
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,680
and intense where you're staying
down there before the race. 

539
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:55,200
So like adjusting to that after 
just being in like a quiet 

540
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,440
altitude house is definitely 
like a little bit of a shock to 

541
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:04,600
the system. 
And trying to like stay calm in 

542
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,720
that setting is a little bit of 
an adjustment for sure. 

543
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,520
Yeah, I guess, like, one thing I
saw was that, you know, you did 

544
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,240
a plugging event like one or two
days before the race. 

545
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,760
And that it was interesting to 
me because especially, you know,

546
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,920
for some of these pros during a 
marathon week like that, it's 

547
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,520
like you get dragged to, hey, 
there's this sponsorship 

548
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:27,720
obligation, there's this press 
conference, there's this event 

549
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,280
and, you know, the elite 
athletes, all, all you guys want

550
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,760
to do is like, just want to 
chill, stay in my hotel. 

551
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,680
But you went out and did some 
plogging, I guess, like what, 

552
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,280
what, what did that mean for for
you to do? 

553
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,400
And like it was that, like, how 
much was that something that you

554
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,640
wanted to do while you're in the
city? 

555
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,520
Yeah, yeah, it was definitely 
something that I was happy to 

556
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,800
do. 
I think it's really cool what 

557
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:53,880
NYRR is doing with their 
sustainability team. 

558
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:59,760
So to be able to have an 
appearance that's like also like

559
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:05,200
meaningful to, to what I care 
about and supporting something 

560
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:10,000
that's, you know, has a little 
bit of a, a bigger mission was 

561
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,800
something that I was excited 
about. 

562
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,679
I wasn't asked to do too much 
media stuff leading into the 

563
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:20,280
race 'cause there's so many like
big players in it that I 

564
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,600
definitely wasn't a a major 
storyline going in. 

565
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,920
It's always good to fly under 
the radar. 

566
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,760
Yeah, yeah. 
So I was happy to be able to, 

567
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:36,239
yeah, do do something for NYRR 
that was aligned with stuff that

568
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:41,520
I do outside of running. 
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569
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570
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571
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:53,880
York City, 210A debut that 
looked composed and strong all 

572
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:56,360
the way throughout. 
While he's spoken out about the 

573
00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:00,560
importance of fueling a lot on 
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574
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:04,960
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575
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576
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577
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581
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582
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583
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584
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585
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586
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587
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,360
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588
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,080
been used using Omeo. 
So first I was a bit of a 

589
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,040
skeptic of the the product, you 
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590
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,920
But I got it and started using 
it and then I'll use it like 2 

591
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,680
hours before I'll get up and 
have it because our workouts are

592
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,400
pretty early. 
Every workout I'd implement what

593
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,360
I'm going to do on race day into
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594
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,040
So my routine every morning is 
same breakfast, no meo 3 hours 

595
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:10,480
before I do buy card two to 
three hours before and then I'll

596
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,400
have no meal before bed and for 
recovery. 

597
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,320
But I wasn't a huge believer and
I just did it because they had 

598
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:20,120
sent it to me at first. 
And then Sage started using it 

599
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,080
and she used it at USA for the 
first time between her rounds 

600
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:28,800
and she was like blown away by 
how fresh she felt through the 

601
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,240
rounds. 
And obviously, that could just 

602
00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:33,560
be fitness and training, but she
was like, you know, this was a 

603
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,320
new thing she was trying and it 
really helped her. 

604
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,080
And then she did the same in 
Tokyo. 

605
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,080
And like, so now we have that 
helped me really believe in it a

606
00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:41,360
lot. 
I'm like, OK, I know she's the 

607
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,480
fittest she's ever been. 
But also she starts using this, 

608
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:48,320
you know, this new product and 
has the best race of her life. 

609
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,440
You know, maybe I should keep 
using it as well. 

610
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,520
So yeah, I've been using it 
every workout, every long run. 

611
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,200
The recommended practice is you 
take one shot 3 hours before a 

612
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,520
big workout or race or daily 
during heavy training blocks and

613
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,640
those especially tough days. 
A second shot before bed can 

614
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I feel like there's got to be a 
follow up plugging event like 

660
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,080
post marathon because like I've 
been running over up and over 

661
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,840
like the Queensboro Bridge last 
like couple days and it's like 

662
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,920
even in the weeks like I guess 
it's almost been two weeks since

663
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:03,800
like there's so many like gel 
packets all along the course. 

664
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,320
But The thing is, it's like. 
The population you attracted to 

665
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participate in the event for the
first the first go around is 

666
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like probably left the city, I 
think at that point. 

667
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,040
And so I think there just needs 
to be, I don't know what the 

668
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,880
solution there is because, yeah,
it's just so dismaying. 

669
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:26,080
It's like, oh, like there's just
all this evidence of what from 

670
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,640
the race and it's like, I wish 
this wasn't here. 

671
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,960
Like there's still some elite 
bottles still on the Queensboro 

672
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,880
Bridge. 
And I see the it's like the when

673
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,320
it's the NN running team, what 
I'm like, all right, this was 

674
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,360
probably like Kipchoge or one of
the those runners. 

675
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,080
But yeah, I guess like, do you 
have any bold ideas as to like, 

676
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:47,440
hey, what could what could be 
done better at these big races 

677
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,360
to kind of alleviate some of 
that, you know, the littering? 

678
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:54,360
Yeah. 
I mean, I do think it's 

679
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:59,960
something that we should just 
plan for more in, in event 

680
00:40:59,960 --> 00:41:04,720
planning, I guess for these 
races, because anytime you get a

681
00:41:04,720 --> 00:41:10,520
crowd of like 50,000 people 
together and they're producing 

682
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:12,840
waste like it's gonna be a 
substantial amount. 

683
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:19,960
So I think it is something that 
we should just, yeah, build into

684
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,680
the planning of these races a 
little bit more, if that's 

685
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:23,840
possible. 
Yeah. 

686
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,520
I, I don't wanna like, go out 
here and tell people to not, 

687
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,840
not. 
Take gels. 

688
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:33,240
Not take gels because yeah, like
as you said, the elite bottles 

689
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:35,440
are on the floor. 
Like I toss my bottle on the 

690
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:39,240
ground. 
But yeah, it does seem like we 

691
00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:42,640
need some sort of more 
structural solution to it 

692
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,520
because you wouldn't ever plan 
like, I don't know, a music 

693
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:50,040
festival or a concert with 
50,000 people and not have a 

694
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,720
plan for the garbage that 
they're going to make. 

695
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,520
So yeah, it would be, it would 
be great if people can just put 

696
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:01,320
their heads together. 
I think NYRR is already like. 

697
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,360
Yeah, I think, I think New York 
Rd. runners and like New York 

698
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,680
City and like Department of 
Sanitation do overall a pretty 

699
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,160
great job. 
It's just sort of like it 

700
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,680
probably might just be that I'm 
running over like the tough to 

701
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,160
reach places of just sort of 
like, yeah, the Queensboro 

702
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:16,360
Bridge. 
It's like I don't know if 

703
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,160
they're passing over it like 3 
or 4 times after. 

704
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:20,960
Yeah, yeah. 
And I mean, maybe that is 

705
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,360
something like getting some run 
clubs to do some plogging events

706
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:28,360
after the marathon. 
Yeah, yeah, that could be cool. 

707
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,600
So you also got to rock protect 
our winters like on your kit. 

708
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,520
Like how did that come about? 
Yeah, yeah. 

709
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:39,400
So I got involved with them a 
little bit after the trials last

710
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,680
year, but more heavily after the
Olympics. 

711
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,640
I went to their, like, annual 
leadership summit. 

712
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:48,600
Yeah. 
Learn more about the 

713
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:52,120
organization. 
They have an athlete alliance, 

714
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:54,960
mainly starting with winter 
sports. 

715
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:58,280
That's the where the name 
Protector Winters comes from 

716
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,520
basically, because, you know, 
skiers and snowboarders really 

717
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,600
need the snow to be there to do 
what they love. 

718
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:10,080
But I guess recently they've 
kind of expanded more into other

719
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:15,320
areas like running, kind of 
recognizing that, you know, as 

720
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,160
runners, we rely on the 
environment a lot too. 

721
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,960
Even if you don't realize it 
directly, Like even if you're 

722
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,120
not on some beautiful mountain 
trail somewhere, if you're 

723
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,920
running in the middle of a city,
like still the quality of the 

724
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,400
air you're breathing impacts 
you, the temperatures affect 

725
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,640
you. 
And we've seen more races 

726
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:38,640
getting cancelled or postponed 
recently with extreme weather 

727
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,400
events happening. 
So yeah, I was really excited 

728
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:46,800
about their mission to kind of 
use the idea of like outdoor 

729
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:50,480
recreation as a way of bringing 
people together to to care about

730
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:55,000
climate and environmental issues
and, and speak about them in a 

731
00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:02,680
way that, you know, is brings 
people together and kind of 

732
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:07,760
recognizes how how much all of 
this does matter to to us as 

733
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:10,240
people who who love to be 
outside. 

734
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:15,440
It's in all of our best interest
to protect what we care about, 

735
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:17,840
too. 
Definitely, and then I mean, you

736
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:23,000
could be a Winter Olympian if 
they add cross country to to the

737
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,280
to the Winter Olympics and then 
like it makes it a bit more 

738
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,240
seamless. 
All right, so back to sort of 

739
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:34,760
the race itself in in New York. 
How did you and Alistair and Amy

740
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:38,800
come up with the race plan and 
what was it for the actual 

741
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,760
execution of of the New York 
City Marathon? 

742
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:47,840
Yeah, basically just wanted to 
to put myself in there and keep 

743
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:52,120
giving myself a shot for as far 
into the race as I could go. 

744
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,680
I'd say we left it somewhat 
open-ended because we didn't 

745
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,520
know how it would play out, 
whether it would be more on the 

746
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,960
tactical side or a bit or a bit 
quicker earlier on. 

747
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:07,880
But basically it was like, if 
these people go, you just go. 

748
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,320
I guess Sheila Chep Karui was 
the one who before even I guess,

749
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,640
like the Queensboro Bridge had 
started to like put in a couple 

750
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,600
surges toward the front of the 
race. 

751
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:22,080
Like did were those like, could 
you feel just sort of like the 

752
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,240
injection of pace and then 
hitting the brakes and like how 

753
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:27,480
that was how it was almost far 
lucky. 

754
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:31,600
But then like after a while, 
like there were some big moves 

755
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:34,920
that were made and it's like, so
I guess like with only having 

756
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,800
like one big marathon under your
belt, like, how did you go about

757
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,920
reading some of those moves 
from, you know, the the front 

758
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,720
end of Sheila, Helen and and 
Sharon? 

759
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,960
Yeah, Yeah. 
It was interesting because some 

760
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,160
of it was kind of just like the 
surging in and out of bottle 

761
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,120
stations. 
And not all of those were were 

762
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:56,600
real moves. 
But at first, like, I thought 

763
00:45:56,600 --> 00:46:00,400
everything was a real move. 
So I think at first it was like,

764
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,720
I need to cover everything like 
immediately. 

765
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,640
But then it was kind of like 
recognizing like, OK, like maybe

766
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,280
that was just that was just to 
go get our bottles. 

767
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,760
And that's gonna happen again 
and again. 

768
00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,280
But yeah, once, once Sheila went
to the front and, you know, I 

769
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,320
can see she's looking at her 
watch, things like that. 

770
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,440
It's kind of like, OK, like 
she's not messing around. 

771
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:30,080
I know, like if she goes like I 
need to be on that for as long 

772
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,320
as I can. 
And you could kind of tell that 

773
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,360
the three of them seems to be 
working together somewhat. 

774
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:44,000
And I was, I was thinking that 
they might be trying to, to get 

775
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,800
rid of Safari. 
Yeah. 

776
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,960
They did for a bit, right, like 
up the Queensboro Bridge and 

777
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,920
even a little bit of a gap was 
formed between them and you and 

778
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,400
I, I guess like the funny part 
was then you had like that one 

779
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:04,840
car, I think it was the orange, 
the orange car next to you. 

780
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,800
And it kind of helped drag you 
back into contention with the 

781
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:11,520
top three. 
Like, I guess what, what was 

782
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:15,560
that effort like on 1st Ave. 
where you found a way to 

783
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,080
reconnect with that front pack 
and like, like, were you in a 

784
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,960
rhythm there at 1 pace or was it
sort of like, OK, you had to 

785
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,040
like accelerate a little bit to 
catch up to them? 

786
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,640
Yeah, I, I kind of felt like 
that downhill coming off the 

787
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:32,240
bridge was a little bit my last 
chance to, to use the course to 

788
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:36,680
try to get back on them because 
I'm a pretty good downhill 

789
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:38,920
runner. 
So I felt like I could the 

790
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,880
aggressive downhill. 
Yeah, yeah, it was like, OK, I 

791
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:45,440
can use this. 
But if they're, if they're gone 

792
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:51,680
already, like it's, it's really 
early for, for that to happen. 

793
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,320
So yeah, I, I tried to really 
use that downhill to get back 

794
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:01,960
and reattach and give myself a 
shot for a little bit longer. 

795
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,400
But yeah, it was definitely it. 
It was not just, it was not just

796
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:11,520
flowing at that point. 
So that you, you reattached to 

797
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,080
them for a bit and then also 
just did it feel like, 'cause 

798
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:16,840
you, you're not looking back at 
any point. 

799
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:21,560
But Saifan Hassan was not Bayou 
until she was all of a sudden 

800
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,160
again, it was a very funny race 
to watch because it was sort of 

801
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,840
like up. 
She's not quite dead just yet. 

802
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,640
What was that like? 
I guess then when she reappears 

803
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,520
and you're like, oh, I guess 
like that didn't work. 

804
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:39,640
Yeah, yeah, I mean, definitely 
not surprising knowing that 

805
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,200
she's back there. 
I was like, yeah, she could 

806
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,920
probably show up any moment. 
But yeah, I guess it was kind of

807
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,240
nice 'cause it was like, oh, 
maybe we can, maybe we can work 

808
00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:51,000
together to, to go catch them 
kind of thing. 

809
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,080
But yeah, you know it. 
Of course, anytime someone 

810
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,440
passes you later on into the 
race, there's a little bit of a 

811
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:02,640
oh shoot feeling too. 
Once they kind of then separate 

812
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:07,760
after 19 or so miles from you, 
like how hard does the race get 

813
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,200
at that point 'cause even then 
Stephane drops back a bit more 

814
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,600
and you're kind of stuck in on 
your own little island there. 

815
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:19,880
And it really didn't, not a 
whole lot changed from then on 

816
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,800
from, from you being enforced 
till the to the finish line. 

817
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,560
So I guess like how did you stay
engaged in that, in that part of

818
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,840
the race? 
Yeah, that stretch was 

819
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:33,800
definitely the hardest, from 
like 20 to 24 or so. 

820
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,040
The turn to the park was also a 
little bit later than I was 

821
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,680
expecting, so I felt like I was 
waiting for that turn for her 

822
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,560
ever. 
Oh, that's 5th Ave., Yeah. 

823
00:49:43,600 --> 00:49:46,600
Yeah, yeah. 
And I feel like people don't 

824
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,280
talk enough about how hard that 
stretch is. 

825
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,240
So deceiving. 
Yeah, yeah. 

826
00:49:51,240 --> 00:49:54,200
So I was definitely hurting that
whole time. 

827
00:49:55,640 --> 00:50:02,320
But yeah, just trying to trying 
to stay engaged and not let them

828
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,160
get too far away. 
But yeah, that was it was 

829
00:50:05,160 --> 00:50:08,400
definitely a grind those those 
few miles before the park. 

830
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:13,520
When Kipchoge has said that like
smiling towards the end of the 

831
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,280
race, like kind of helps subside
a little bit of the pain, like 

832
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:21,400
what do you do 'cause like 
you're very much like in so much

833
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:23,680
pain in the in those late stages
of the race, Like what are you 

834
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,160
doing to kind of like help your 
body relax at that point? 

835
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,880
Like, do you have any sort of 
little little tricks? 

836
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:35,000
Yeah, I mean, I did actually, 
even though like the hills are 

837
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,600
hard, in the end, I kind of 
found it helpful to like just 

838
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,480
get into a different rhythm in 
the park. 

839
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,080
So I was just thinking, I'm 
trying to think about like 

840
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:49,800
running the hills well, instead 
of like how much I'm hurting the

841
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:53,520
last couple miles and, and using
the energy from the crowds and 

842
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:58,080
stuff. 
So yeah, I, I won't say I'm like

843
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:02,480
a Zen master like Kip Jokey 
seems to be with the the smiling

844
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:07,400
and stuff like that, but just 
trying to find some other things

845
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,760
to focus on besides just how 
much it's hurting towards the 

846
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,680
end does help. 
So once you make that final turn

847
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:20,200
into Central Park and you start 
to see all the flags, finish 

848
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,680
line comes insight. 
What? 

849
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:24,080
What are you thinking at that 
point? 

850
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,880
At that point, I guess I'm 
mainly just thinking like, get 

851
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:31,920
there, like and. 
Were you here, I guess of like 

852
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:34,880
just how fast you guys had been 
going throughout the race? 

853
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:39,320
Not entirely. 
I remember I saw our halfway 

854
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,520
split, but my watch was kind of,
my GPS was kind of off out 

855
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,440
there, so I wasn't really 
getting like any sort of 

856
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:49,560
accurate mile splits for a 
while. 

857
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:55,680
It wasn't until I think a couple
miles to go maybe, yeah, two or 

858
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,320
three miles to go that I like 
looked at the clock a little bit

859
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,680
more as we were passing some of 
those mile markers and I was 

860
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,720
like, oh, like they have a gap 
on me. 

861
00:52:04,720 --> 00:52:07,040
But I guess I'm still like 
running pretty fast. 

862
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:13,240
So that that helped some over 
the last couple miles to like 

863
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,440
stay engaged with that. 2/22/49 
on New York City. 

864
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:22,920
And like on this course, like 
it's just so, so impressive. 

865
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:26,320
Like when you had a moment 
afterwards, like to, you know, 

866
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,360
chat things through with 
Alistair and Amy. 

867
00:52:28,720 --> 00:52:32,360
Like how did you guys assess 
like this performance all things

868
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:35,480
considered? 
All things considered, pretty 

869
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:39,200
happy with it. 
Yeah, I feel like especially 

870
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:44,560
like right after like maybe a 
little bit of like, oh, like we 

871
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:46,160
could have improved here and 
here. 

872
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:51,640
But I feel like in the the day 
or two after it was kind of 

873
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:54,320
like, oh, OK, Like that was that
was really good actually. 

874
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,680
The team has been firing on all 
cylinders with Taylor making the

875
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:03,720
10K squad, Dorcas meddling at 
the World Championships, Iman 

876
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,640
being on a hot streak when it 
comes to the roads. 

877
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:09,000
Like is that something that like
you feed off of just sort of 

878
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,080
like seeing the success of of 
your team mates? 

879
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:14,080
And on top of that too, I guess 
like Patrick had a really good 

880
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,880
day in in New York as well. 
And so like you guys had tons to

881
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,680
to celebrate over the last 
couple months. 

882
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:25,040
Yeah, yeah, definitely. 
It's a lot of positive momentum 

883
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:28,400
and it kind of just makes it 
easier to have a little bit more

884
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,080
confidence stepping up to the 
starting line when you know that

885
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:36,720
you're all in the same system. 
And yeah, it's also just like it

886
00:53:36,720 --> 00:53:42,200
helps to to be happy for people 
and have other people around you

887
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,120
performing well that you're 
excited about. 

888
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:49,240
Like we're in Copenhagen when 
Dorcas got her medal and we're 

889
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:54,280
like, it was so fun to see that,
see that performance for her 

890
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,240
'cause I know she's been working
so hard for a long time. 

891
00:53:58,240 --> 00:54:02,720
And to see her like, finally get
a moment like that was super 

892
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:05,160
exciting. 
What goals are do you have for 

893
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,000
yourself, I guess like after the
a performance like this, like 

894
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,040
where's your head at? 
Just sort of like inserting to 

895
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:14,200
think of like what you want to 
achieve in 2026? 

896
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:17,520
Like it's, it's kind of a early 
question to ask when you know, 

897
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:19,720
sort of like you still haven't 
even gotten like your next big 

898
00:54:19,720 --> 00:54:22,040
race like on the calendar. 
But what are some of the things 

899
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,360
that you want to see kind of 
like in your development as a as

900
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,040
a marathoner or just as a 
distance runner in general? 

901
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:31,040
Yeah, yeah. 
I feel like it definitely makes 

902
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:34,800
me really excited about the 
marathon in particular and 

903
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,440
trying to figure out where I can
close some of those gaps 

904
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,280
competitively, get a little bit 
closer. 

905
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,720
I know I can work on my my 
fueling in the race 'cause I 

906
00:54:45,720 --> 00:54:49,640
was, I was having some issues 
kind of throwing up a little bit

907
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:54,320
out there. 
So there's some obvious areas 

908
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,720
for improvement like that, but 
then also just working on my 

909
00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:03,920
race tactics and how I can 
execute like a little bit more 

910
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:08,520
intelligently out there and 
adapt on the fly. 

911
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:12,040
And I know there's, you know, 
things that I can work on in 

912
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:16,000
training too. 
So yeah, I guess I'm just, I'm 

913
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:22,000
really excited to to get back to
work here and yeah, see what I 

914
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:27,480
can do like on those, on those 
big competitive stages and yeah,

915
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:30,920
hopefully be in contention later
and later into the race. 

916
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:35,720
Yeah, Orlando was, I guess like 
it was really hot, but a fairly 

917
00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:39,440
flat course. 
New York famous for the bridges 

918
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,840
and like, you know, the hilly 
nature of 5th Ave. and Central 

919
00:55:42,840 --> 00:55:44,400
Park. 
So it's like, do you have a 

920
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:47,760
preference on like the type of 
course that that you prefer 

921
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:50,760
'cause it seems like you're 
pretty well suited for either 

922
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,240
option. 
I like a course that has some 

923
00:55:53,240 --> 00:55:56,040
level of challenge. 
I guess those were challenging 

924
00:55:56,040 --> 00:56:01,640
in very different ways, but like
the heat being more of a factor 

925
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:06,800
in Orlando and then the hills 
being more of the factor in New 

926
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,720
York. 
I think I definitely prefer like

927
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,760
something that's a little bit 
more on the challenging 

928
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:18,000
competitive side than like a 
time trial type of situation, at

929
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,040
least for now. 
At some point, like it would be 

930
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,240
fun to to really write down a 
time to chase and go after that.

931
00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:29,360
But for now, I like it when it's
when it's tough out there. 

932
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:32,480
So you have you've never written
down like a a time that you want

933
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:35,520
to go after in the marathon. 
No, not yet. 

934
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,520
OK, All right. 
Well, that'll be exciting to to 

935
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:40,560
cross that bridge, you know, 
later on in the future. 

936
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:44,040
Well, Fiona, I appreciate you 
taking the time to recap New 

937
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,320
York and it's so good to see you
back at this level in the 

938
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,240
marathon especially, and excited
for what's to come ahead in 

939
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:52,720
2026. 
Yeah. 

940
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:56,160
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941
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:58,000
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942
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,480
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