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My guest for today's episode is 33 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:35,720 Jessica Hall, who just earned her second straight global medal 34 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:39,160 with a bronze in the 1500 meters at the World Championships in 35 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,600 Tokyo. Jess went toe to toe with the 36 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,960 greatest of all time, Faith Capiagon, hanging on until the 37 00:01:44,960 --> 00:01:48,440 final 200 meters before battling all the way to the line to 38 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,200 secure spot on the podium. Last year was obviously a dream 39 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:54,920 season for Jess. An Olympic silver medal, the 40 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:59,600 2000 meter world record, a 350 personal best over 1500. 41 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,760 This year she didn't always hit the same highs, but she still 42 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:07,080 raced with consistency, courage and adaptability to prove that 43 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,160 she's a contender in every scenario. 44 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,760 In Tokyo, she left it all out there, fending off a charging 45 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:17,720 Nelly chip to your chair to hang on for bronze in 355.16 and 46 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:20,800 preventing A Kenyan sweep of the 1500 meters. 47 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,120 Also, a repeat of the disastrous tie up that happened in the 48 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,120 Diamond League final was totally avoided. 49 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,960 She talks about that race and more in this episode. 50 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,960 We also discuss how she levelled up to get to this point. 51 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,600 We talk about the bond shared by all of the 1500 meter women and 52 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:38,680 the reverence and respect for Faith Gipiegan. 53 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:42,760 Jess's exploration of the 800 meters which saw her break the 54 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,520 Australian record in 157.15 in the semi finals and then she 55 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,240 reached the final where she ran another 157 to back it up. 56 00:02:51,920 --> 00:02:55,720 Plus you'll learn where some of her early thoughts are on plans 57 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,720 for 2026. So without further ado, here is 58 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:12,920 Jess Hall. All right now I'm joined by 59 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,760 Olympic silver medalist and now World Championship bronze 60 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:20,720 medalist Jess Hall, fresh off of and epic World Championships in 61 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:24,680 Tokyo, also making the 800 meter final as well. 62 00:03:25,160 --> 00:03:27,960 We were just before we started recording talking about how long 63 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:31,000 of a year it's been, and it's kind of incredible that you've 64 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:35,000 been going since indoor season all the way through September. 65 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,360 So how are you enjoying this break so far? 66 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:41,600 It's good. It's actually quite different to 67 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:45,360 finish the season and like choose to take my break, whereas 68 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,320 I feel like the last couple of years I've maybe been hanging 69 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:50,840 on. So it was nice to end with 70 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,840 worlds and just to enjoy the downtime now is and look towards 71 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:57,080 next year, it all comes back thick and fast again. 72 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,040 So I've just been really trying not to think about it over the 73 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:02,120 last two weeks and and totally reset. 74 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:06,640 So when you choose to go on a break like what, how, what does 75 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:08,600 that look like? Because I guess like it didn't 76 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,760 hit me until just a couple days ago that there's also I guess 77 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,960 like world cross country on the horizon. 78 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:15,880 And so some people will be like gearing up for that. 79 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,360 And I guess like the last time when it was in Australia, you 80 00:04:18,360 --> 00:04:19,920 did you ended up doing the relay. 81 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,400 And so there is sort of like that option for the middle 82 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:27,520 distance runners. So I mean, is your break like 83 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:32,240 kind of active right now, but already there's a date in the 84 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,000 end of October to get back to work? 85 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:37,680 Yeah, definitely. I think having done well cross 86 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,520 country and done the relay before in Bathurst, like I was 87 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,960 super keen to start like getting a team together for Tallahassee. 88 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:48,080 And we have such a great middle distance crop right now that I 89 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,840 think that four by 2K team is going to be, it's going to be a 90 00:04:50,840 --> 00:04:53,480 great team, but it's also like it's really soon. 91 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,240 So it is important to kind of be thinking about it without like 92 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,920 not taking a break properly. So I think for me, that's 93 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:04,960 certainly on the horizon and I just like the geography of world 94 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,120 crossing America. And then you can stay and do an 95 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,280 indoor season and if you want to do some attitude before that, it 96 00:05:10,280 --> 00:05:13,280 just all makes a lot of sense. So the mind is definitely going 97 00:05:13,280 --> 00:05:16,120 and thinking towards that and definitely trying to recruit 98 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,960 like I I have actively been talking to Cameron Meyers all 99 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,640 year, like, hey, world cross. It's really fun this whole relay 100 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,480 thing, like please be interested. 101 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,240 But yeah, so our selection for that is kind of just 102 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,560 discretionary. So I think as long as we've all 103 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:34,280 put our hands up and said, hey, we want to run our high 104 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:36,800 performance team are going to put a great team together. 105 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:39,280 So hopefully that's where we'll start in January. 106 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,720 So another funny thing, I think I said this to you at some point 107 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:46,040 during the Grand Slams or something like that, it just 108 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:48,800 like how much you'd already travelled up until that point 109 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:53,080 where there, you know, you were racing so often all around the 110 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:55,800 world, going back all the way to Australia for nationals and 111 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,720 everything. So it's funny because at the end 112 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,080 of the year, everyone on Instagram posts just sort of 113 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:02,960 like number of flights that they were on. 114 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:07,280 And I think last year, the most appalling 1 I think was I guess 115 00:06:07,280 --> 00:06:11,000 your agent, Steven Hass, who would I think spent like 28 days 116 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,640 in the air at some point, which is like a whole month of the 117 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,520 year on flights. And so, so far this year for 118 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:18,560 you, I guess, like how are those numbers looking? 119 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,040 I would say they're pretty high. It's not. 120 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,560 I haven't kept track of it. I did at one point intend to do 121 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:28,680 the Flighty app and it required some sort of extra information 122 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:31,440 about my passport or something when I did it and I I must have 123 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,800 just not gone back to it. So I haven't tracked it, but I 124 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,640 have definitely travelled the most I ever have this year, 125 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,400 which is a big thing to say because like being from 126 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,080 Australia we do always have to travel. 127 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:46,320 So to have added extra mileage onto it this year is is a bit 128 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,800 different. But it's quite lucky that for 129 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,120 the Grand Slam they flew us in style so we never missed any 130 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:53,880 training. You could kind of arrive pretty 131 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,600 fresh and, and get ready for what was to come. 132 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,720 But yeah, it's been a big year of back and forward and I 133 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:05,520 probably would have preferred to not do so much cross Pacific 134 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,600 travel. Like kind of I try once I leave 135 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:09,680 Australia, right? I try not to have to go back to 136 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,640 the end of the season. But just with the early dates of 137 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,040 those grand slams, I had to to make the trip back for 138 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,520 nationals. And yeah, it's something I knew 139 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,480 when I signed up in October. So it was like I had a lot of 140 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,240 time to get my head around the task. 141 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:26,120 But yeah, I was quite happy once we left for Miami and I was 142 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,280 going to be able to stay overseas in the Northern 143 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:29,960 Hemisphere for the rest of the summer. 144 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,480 So I want to unpack this year and I really kind of want to 145 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:39,040 start at the end of last year and then looking into 2025. 146 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:44,400 Because you know, at some point after Paris and you know, ahead 147 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,200 of the indoor season, you had to kind of maybe reflect on just 148 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,360 the fact that 2024 was a dream season with just like how much 149 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:56,480 time you took off of your PB in the 1500, the medal in Paris, 150 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,920 the world record that you ran in Monaco. 151 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:04,680 And you know, it's it's a lot to kind of celebrate and take in, 152 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,120 but then it sets the bar so high for the following year. 153 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:12,520 And so even before this year started, how did you go about, I 154 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:16,120 guess not not necessarily just goal setting, but mentally 155 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,360 approaching 2025, knowing it was another world championship year 156 00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:22,240 and that basically everything that you just did? 157 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,920 Like it restarts on January 1st and it's a whole nother calendar 158 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,720 year. So how did you go about just 159 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,080 kind of approaching 2025 at that given the success of 2024? 160 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,559 It comes on quite quickly, but your mind immediately goes to 161 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:39,280 like, OK, how do I keep getting better and how do I go one step 162 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,159 better in 2025? And I think from the start of 163 00:08:43,159 --> 00:08:46,320 the season it just sort of it was very different. 164 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,080 Like you are kind of the person that the meet directors are 165 00:08:49,080 --> 00:08:53,480 asking what pacemaking you want and who you want to pacemake and 166 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:56,000 how far you want them to go. And it was quite different 167 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:57,880 because I really haven't never had that. 168 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,040 Like it's always been like I show up to the Diamond leagues, 169 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,880 I read the board and it's like, OK, faithful good of once two or 170 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,200 three, this is what we're doing. Or if good of running, it's good 171 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,760 of once 159 and it's like, OK, that's what we're doing today. 172 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,720 So I think that was quite a thing to get used to. 173 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,480 And in one hand, like it was really cool because it's like, 174 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:20,800 OK, my fitness is really elevating as well. 175 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,160 And there's some opportunities to take some big swings and, and 176 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:27,240 have some big races out there. But at the same time, it's, it's 177 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,280 very different when everyone's looking at you and expecting you 178 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,840 to do things and even sometimes the field like looking to you 179 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,080 to, to dictate the race and make the race like that was a 180 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:40,240 different position to be in. And I think it's taken, it's 181 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,680 taken the whole season to kind of get used to that and to sort 182 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:46,880 of take some learnings from it going into 2026. 183 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:51,120 But it was quite different to just be someone that was 184 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,240 expected and, and had pressure on them. 185 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:55,520 And I've, I've heard Georgia Bell speak about this a few 186 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,920 times as well, where last year was almost easier because you 187 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,360 kind of could just float along and catch a really fast ride 188 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:07,320 along behind safe QPA gone. But dream races like that happen 189 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:09,880 a handful of times in your career if you're lucky. 190 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,280 But then to elevate again, you've kind of got to take that 191 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,320 into your own hands and, and get used to doing things that are 192 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,360 outside of the comfort zone. So I think just kind of being 193 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,680 that person that people looked at to perform was something that 194 00:10:22,680 --> 00:10:26,120 I had, I had to get used to. And I probably didn't do it the 195 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,120 best this year, but that's next year. 196 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:31,800 It's something that I hope to improve on and going forward 197 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,600 it's it's something to get used to, which is it's a privilege. 198 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,480 And so then how did you and your dad also approach the training 199 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,600 side of things? Because it's, it would be so 200 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,080 easy to just assume like from the outside looking in, someone 201 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:47,120 would be like, all right, well, given how successful last year 202 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,520 was, just copy and paste the training and just do it all over 203 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:52,520 again. But when you're at the level 204 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,680 that you're at and you know there's silver and that, you 205 00:10:55,680 --> 00:10:59,280 know, know what the one metal that you can improve upon is, 206 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,120 you have to look for sort of like those marginal gains and do 207 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,800 a couple things differently. So on the training side of 208 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,560 things, when you sat down of like how we want to do something 209 00:11:08,560 --> 00:11:10,600 that you know, things a little bit differently, what did that 210 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:12,720 look like? It sort of started back. 211 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,480 We do pretty similar base training every year, like just 212 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,080 from October to December. And then we get a little bit 213 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,280 more specific when we're spending more time on the track 214 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,520 in January onwards. And it sort of came down to, OK, 215 00:11:25,560 --> 00:11:28,680 we were committed to the Grand Slams which required the 800 and 216 00:11:28,680 --> 00:11:31,320 the 1500. So what are we going to do to 217 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,200 really bring this 800 on? Because it, it hasn't been a 218 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,760 strength of mine in the past. So we changed some things in 219 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:41,560 terms to bring like some more 800 specific stuff in, but 220 00:11:41,560 --> 00:11:43,560 without like compromising the 15. 221 00:11:43,560 --> 00:11:48,280 So I bring in a fair bit more speed and speed endurance work. 222 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,240 That was just something that we haven't really touched on in the 223 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,320 past. And I really enjoyed it because 224 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,640 it was different. And I think it has sort of 225 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,360 helped my 1500, but it may have taken a tiny bit away from it. 226 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:04,160 If we if we look big picture, we haven't done a season review 227 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,320 just yet. We will in the weeks to come, 228 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,080 but just right now it was like take your break, fully reset, 229 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,520 don't think too much. But yeah, I think we we 230 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,320 definitely focused in on that 815 hundred zone a lot more, 231 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:20,880 which I think I could probably run a good 3000 off that, but a 232 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:23,200 5000 would be way too far right now. 233 00:12:23,560 --> 00:12:27,120 So I think kind of that was the change that we made was we, we 234 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:30,400 focused a little bit more on that bottom end, which maybe has 235 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,720 taken away from the very top end of my my range. 236 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,320 But we were kind of OK with that because we figured long term 237 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,160 going forward, the 800 was an area of improvement that I could 238 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,120 really work on. And we might not see that this 239 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:45,600 year, but we will. It needs to come. 240 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:48,520 It's just like setting up kind of this whole Olympic cycle. 241 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,680 So yeah, the 800 was the main change that we made and just 242 00:12:52,680 --> 00:12:55,920 kind of dedicating a day each 10 days to kind of really work on 243 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:57,760 that. And I learned to love it. 244 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,840 It's definitely an uncomfortable feeling and that that extreme 245 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:04,040 left tick that you build up and then have to run through for at 246 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,880 least another couple of reps is is different to me. 247 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:11,520 But I was really, really open to working on that, thinking about 248 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:13,480 those grand slams and being ready for those. 249 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,720 So even in that base training and in that early season 250 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,480 portion, like there was already kind of the mental concession 251 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,560 that all right, we're not going to do the five because you had 252 00:13:22,560 --> 00:13:25,360 done the 5K like at the last World championships in in 253 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,440 Budapest. And but did it go as far as 254 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,920 thinking we can contest the 800 at the World Championships in 255 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,680 addition to the 1500? I was very aware that the 815 256 00:13:35,680 --> 00:13:40,000 double was possible from back early days last year, probably 257 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,560 October once we kind of had that world athletic schedule. 258 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:48,320 So I was very conscious of that. I I think it was a big like that 259 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,440 would be a dream goal, but like very much like, well, I've got 260 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,000 to hold my horses a bit and see how these eight hundreds 261 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,200 actually go. So I definitely was not 262 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:02,040 interested in the 5K in Tokyo. I had done that in Budapest and 263 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:06,440 just the championship 5 Ki was very much didn't belong there in 264 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:10,320 2023, but I was very much sure that I didn't want to do it in 265 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,760 Tokyo just for the sake of having a second event. 266 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:18,520 So focusing on the 1500 and then kind of that first 800 going so 267 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,120 well in Jamaica and I ran the standard without really trying 268 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:24,200 to run it. And for us as Australians, 269 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,560 that's the most important piece basically is to get that 270 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,040 standard and then it's up to the discretion of our selectors if 271 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,000 you don't run that event at your trials. 272 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:36,320 And we didn't even enter the 800 for our trials because I wasn't 273 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,720 sure that I would need it. And that was kind of the 274 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,360 following week to Jamaica. So there was no time to enter 275 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:46,360 that and get an entry. So I was pretty certain that 276 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:48,520 having the standard was going to suit me. 277 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,440 And kind of having run it in that first 800, I was like, 278 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,040 well, surely I can go faster as I get used to this kind of 279 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:58,200 racing and dyslactic build up that you have in the 800. 280 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,840 But it just didn't really happen until until Worlds. 281 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:05,160 And I got kind of lucky there that our selectors took a gamble 282 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:11,000 on me to run the 800 in Tokyo. But yeah, from back in early 283 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:13,720 days of the season, I was aware the double was possible, but 284 00:15:13,840 --> 00:15:17,120 really uncertain if it was going to be something that suited me 285 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,120 based on just having not focused on the 800 before. 286 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:23,520 Yeah, because it's like the 5K at the global stage is such a 287 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:27,200 mixed bag. I mean, you've run 1443 and 288 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,000 yeah, I mean, that's that's the halfway point between where the 289 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,960 race could fall. Like it could end up being a 15 290 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:38,520 minute race with just a crazy final lap or it's a 1410 race up 291 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:40,800 in the front and a bunch of people fall within like the 292 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,240 1420s. And it's like you've never been 293 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:47,640 in that territory yet. And so it's such a gamble to try 294 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,800 and dive into the 5K. But when you see kind of these 295 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,560 races unfold, I mean, partly it's what does Beatrice Tribet 296 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,440 and like it could be a gun want to do on the on the day really. 297 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,160 But when you see these races, like I guess, and you're 298 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,200 structuring with the bigger picture being LA in 2028. 299 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,160 Do you think it's similar where it's like, all right, maybe in 300 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:13,040 the year before the 2028 Olympics, we give the five we 301 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,440 dedicate more time to the 5K again, just sort of similar to 302 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,480 what you just did in the previous Olympic cycle where the 303 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,560 5K was contested in, in 23 before 24. 304 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:26,120 Yeah, it's an interesting thing to think about and even like 305 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:28,800 just kind of coming off the back of Tokyo and seeing the way that 306 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:32,800 5K went in the final, I was like, that's the five Ki want to 307 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:35,680 be in, but you just can't predict it. 308 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,800 And like you say, there's such a big gap if Faith and Beatrice 309 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,800 and Agnes and get H decide they want to run 14 flat to 1410 that 310 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,440 day. I'm 200 meters behind at the 311 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:47,400 moment. And that's, that doesn't excite 312 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:49,000 me. And that's the thing that's 313 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,640 really hard about the 5K is unless you can kind of be in 314 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:56,920 that kind of fitness even, it's really, really hard to contend 315 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:58,680 for the win or to contend for a medal. 316 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:01,720 And I think at this point in my career, that's that's really 317 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,680 what's motivating me. But it's yeah, when you watch a 318 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,800 race like Tokyo for the heats and the final go, I was like, 319 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,000 maybe I should have been in there. 320 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:13,960 That it's, it's always the way I feel like because I, I drew 321 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,440 Saffan Hassan in my hate in Budapest. 322 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,520 And it was quite funny because she had said to me the night 323 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,240 before when I I said to her, hey, we're in the same heat 324 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:24,640 because it was the day following the 1500 final. 325 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,960 And she's like, oh, OK, I'll lead. 326 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,520 And I was like, great, cool, like thinking she'll lead and 327 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:35,000 run like 15 flat, but she led and run 1435 or 1434 or 328 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,040 something. And I was out of it from maybe 329 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:41,680 2.4 K, 2.5 K in well before halfway. 330 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,560 I was well and truly out of making it on to the next round. 331 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,480 And it's just, yeah, it's definitely not fun to be that 332 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:50,280 far behind. So I think it was just very much 333 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,720 like, I don't really want to commit to the 5K just yet 334 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,480 knowing that there is a massive gap if those women run at their 335 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:01,760 best that day. 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Check it all out at 373 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,360 wahoofitness.com and use Code Sidious at checkout today. 374 00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:04,400 Yeah. And I think like the other thing 375 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,360 that was funny about like the one in Tokyo was that Nikki, I 376 00:20:08,360 --> 00:20:10,520 think told me the story about just sort of like that bus 377 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:15,000 picture of like everyone on the bus with Faith and how the 378 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:21,000 conversation there was like, oh, for the 5K slow, we want it 379 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,520 slow. And then faith is like, no. 380 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,960 And then it ended up being slow. Wait, were you on? 381 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,760 That bus. I was on that bus that was after 382 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:32,000 we were coming back from the heats, and the five 1500 girls 383 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,520 that were running the 5K, Lyndon and Gabriella Stafford, were 384 00:20:35,520 --> 00:20:38,840 kind of trying to say to her, like 5K, like, let's run slow. 385 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,120 Like hope the Milo's out here. And they've just laughed. 386 00:20:42,120 --> 00:20:47,000 And she's like, no. And I don't think she realized 387 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,920 how funny it was in the moment of like, just just totally 388 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,280 shutting that idea down. But yeah, it's it. 389 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,600 I mean, that just takes the camaraderie Rev event. 390 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,080 We can laugh and joke with each other after we stepped off the 391 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,600 track and just kind of survived on to the semi finals and 392 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:03,160 knowing that we have that race the next day. 393 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,600 But there's still time for some some good danta. 394 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:10,760 So when this camaraderie and like the like the bond between 395 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,760 the 1500 meter women really kind of blossomed in the last couple 396 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,640 of years, like you've been part of it, like really as like in 397 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,920 this take off, When do you remember kind of being the first 398 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,480 point where it's like, oh, like, yes, there's this reverence for 399 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:30,440 for faith and like she kind of helps us all get the best out of 400 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,840 ourselves and we're seeing national records personal best 401 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,720 fall left and right as a result of of of her. 402 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:39,000 But we can also be friends kind of off the track, I guess. 403 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,720 Do you, do you remember sort of like the first moment that it 404 00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:44,440 was for you that you're like, oh, like, yeah, I mean, we're 405 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:48,320 rivals on the track, but as soon as the clock stops and even, you 406 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,760 know, before the gun goes off, like, we're all friends. 407 00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,800 We definitely saw it that night in Florence when she first broke 408 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,000 the world record. I think just seeing the field 409 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,760 celebrate her, but then even down to like little moments like 410 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,840 back in the hotel there where she kind of took the time to 411 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,640 congratulate me on a national record. 412 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,440 Like before I could personally congratulate her on a world 413 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,720 record. And I was like, that's just so 414 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,600 extreme. Is like, my national record is 415 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,160 very small compared to what she has just done. 416 00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:17,400 But like she was very, very much like, I'm going to say 417 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,640 congratulations to Jessica as I'm like trying to congratulate 418 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,560 her on the world record that we've all known kind of like she 419 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:25,000 deserved to hold, you know what I mean? 420 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:28,160 Like she had so many global titles that the world record 421 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:29,760 just seemed like a matter of time. 422 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,480 So I think just sort of knowing that like, OK, she's worked for 423 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,440 that for so long and then she's just achieved it, but she's 424 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,360 still passing it forward down the field. 425 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,120 It just kind of showed me the way that she's going to lead. 426 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:44,400 And she's LED us that way for for pretty much three to four 427 00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,440 years now. So it's it's been just kind of 428 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:49,320 cool to see from the top down that just began. 429 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,000 And I think it's interesting because you can observe the 430 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,320 similar things on the men's 1500 side. 431 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:58,840 I think the dynamic and the atmosphere in those races and 432 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,080 off the track comes from the top down. 433 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,880 And I think we're just very lucky to have someone like Faith 434 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:07,200 who is very much about just elevating the sport and, and 435 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,600 passing it forward in our event, that it's just become the norm. 436 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,760 And it's like, I think when we have new athletes coming in 437 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:17,120 every year and, and just like looking up to that from the top, 438 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:20,160 it just encourages that to stay the same and that camaraderie to 439 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:23,360 pass forward. And even just having raised with 440 00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:26,920 someone like Nikki for so long now, I feel like we've kind of 441 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,760 had such important pathways in our career and big milestone 442 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:34,400 moments together that it's just like fun as well. 443 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,160 So you're kind of achieving your big goals alongside someone 444 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,560 that's worked for them as well, that you just kind of have this 445 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,320 mutual respect and this shared admiration of kind of what we're 446 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,120 doing on the track. And then you spend so much time 447 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:48,720 together off the track on the circuit, that you just become 448 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:50,840 friends. And yeah, it's, it's really, 449 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,120 really special. I think this was something that 450 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,080 I'd asked Nikki before the World Championship, sort of of just 451 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:02,320 like how you have to strike this balance in the, in the women's 452 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:06,520 5000 in particular, where there is this reverence and respect 453 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,120 for faith. And then at the same time, 454 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:13,760 there's the realist side of like, we all know what she's run 455 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,920 and like what she's fully capable of. 456 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,520 And then at the same time, the self belief that you have to 457 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,400 have in yourself that you can still win the race and you don't 458 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,840 want to concede it before you get into the call room just 459 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,680 because, you know, faith is in the race. 460 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:31,240 And so I am curious because I, I, you know, I asked Nikki, but 461 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,720 I'm curious how you balance that knowing that you're probably one 462 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,920 of the people who, who's come the closest to overcoming that. 463 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,760 You almost have to just have this fearlessness towards it. 464 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,440 Like you absolutely you can look at everything that each of the 465 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,120 athletes have done and you can put them up on a pedestal. 466 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,040 But I feel like you almost have to just be like, OK, they have 467 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,280 done that. I'm going to try to do this 468 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:55,760 today. And it's almost like she has 469 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,520 created this network in this environment where it's OK to 470 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,080 fail in a way. Like especially having watched 471 00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:04,000 the sub four attempt this year, it's like it's OK to take a 472 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:07,800 swing and miss. And I think having just watched 473 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:10,520 the way that she has LED her career, that it's like she's 474 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,360 kind of encouraged us to like, OK, come with me. 475 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,480 And if if you can't hang on the whole way, you're still probably 476 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,280 going to run pretty well or very much like just be fearless and 477 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,440 just try and you never know what is possible. 478 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,240 And I think very much my race plan for the final at words was 479 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,240 like, I'm just really going to try and hang like it's I've done 480 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,280 it before. I've stayed on in a Diamond 481 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,360 League but kind of doing it in a world final way. 482 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:38,360 Medals are up for grabs where, you know, if you if you swing 483 00:25:38,360 --> 00:25:40,440 that big, you could miss a medal completely. 484 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,120 But it is very much like it's a point in my career that I'm at 485 00:25:44,120 --> 00:25:45,680 where I'm willing to take those risks. 486 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:49,600 It's like I want to medal and I want to try and elevate from 487 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,040 that silver in Paris. So you kind of have to be 488 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:55,120 content with it completely backfiring. 489 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,360 And I think having someone like Faith in the field who has just 490 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,200 always been like throwing it down no matter where she was at 491 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,920 when when she was coming back from a baby and she stuck it to 492 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,880 Safaan in 2019 until she couldn't. 493 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:09,400 It's very much just like, that's the mentality that I had to sort 494 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,200 of have this year was OK, I'm just going to try. 495 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,680 And she's encouraged me to do that. 496 00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:19,240 So here we go. The 3:50 that you ran last year 497 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:24,840 in Paris and I, I'm, I'm wondering how much courage did 498 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,280 you have to kind of bottle up in the lead up to that to be able 499 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:33,080 to be as fearless as you were in that race to hang on to her for 500 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:34,880 as long as possible? I think like that's probably 501 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,760 been just one of the biggest efforts we've ever seen out of 502 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,800 somebody to try and keep up with her. 503 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:45,960 And so can you remember like what you were like that morning 504 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,760 knowing that you're going to take that big of a swing? 505 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,440 It's funny to look back on that day because like I was so 506 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,200 confident the day before, like I knew I was really fit. 507 00:26:56,360 --> 00:26:59,880 I sort of thought I could run 352 that day and I was like to 508 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,560 do that kind of thing, you have to just like you have to go with 509 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,880 faith. Like that's I'm was pretty 510 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,040 prepared to be kind of solo from about 600 out and and just have 511 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,560 to grind it to the finish line. And I completely surprised 512 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,880 myself still being there at AK and then at the bell and then 513 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,280 kind of almost still there at 1200. 514 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,360 But there was so many times in the lead up that that morning 515 00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:26,160 that I gave myself an out. I guess you could say we're even 516 00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:29,320 down to when we're in the call room and they told us about the 517 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,920 two pacemakers where face pacemaker was going to a three 518 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,760 and then there was a second pacemaker. 519 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:40,080 I think it was for Laura Muir that day, going about 2526 kind 520 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,520 of to send her on her way to British record. 521 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,880 And even when you hear that kind of thing in the call room, it's 522 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,480 like, well, if I don't get off the line as aggressively as I 523 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,640 think I'm going to, I can just settle in with that second pace 524 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:54,920 group. And it's like, you kind of just 525 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,680 have to squash that immediately. It's like, no, like you've spent 526 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,080 kind of this last training block in Saint Mary. 527 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,880 It's thinking about going with faith. 528 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,360 Like, there's no better time. I was qualified for the Diamond 529 00:28:05,360 --> 00:28:08,520 League final already last year by the time the Paris Diamond 530 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:11,000 League brought around. So it's like I just had to keep 531 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,320 reminding myself, like, no, you've never going to have a 532 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,160 better swing than this one. You've got to go with faith. 533 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,680 And but yeah, it is kind of crazy how when you're about to 534 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,920 do something like that, your mind does look for the little 535 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,800 outs that you can give it along the way. 536 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,920 But I'm so glad that I took the risk and just had a big thing 537 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,480 and surprised myself and even surprised like my my dad a 538 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,440 little bit where it's like he's pretty accurate at predicting 539 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,320 what we can do. But when you just get in a 540 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:41,360 moment like that and if we were in 352 shape, but you have all 541 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,760 of that extra adrenaline and that extra encouragement of 542 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,680 still being there at 1000 meters and then still being there at 543 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,520 the bell and, and still being there when she turns back and 544 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,440 looks at you like who and why are you still here? 545 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,400 Like those little things accumulate. 546 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,320 And I think just I got a perfect race that day, which it really 547 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,480 doesn't happen that often. And it's the moments that we 548 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,680 work so hard for and dream of. But I'm certainly trying to 549 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,400 replicate that, which almost puts a lot more pressure on it 550 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,600 and makes it a lot harder than it did last year when I kind of 551 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,560 just was growing in confidence with every step that I was 552 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:18,440 staying with faith in Paris. So yeah, it's one of those days 553 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,560 that I'll look back on and just be like, so proud of for a very 554 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,040 long time. I do want to go into like some 555 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:25,400 of the big swings you took this year. 556 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:30,880 But then after the Paris Diamond League, did it make just the 557 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,800 idea of hanging on at the Olympics a little bit more 558 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,280 alleviating? I would say because we've seen 559 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:42,080 in the past the different ways that the 1500 final at a global 560 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,800 championships can happen, where when faith takes it out, the 561 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,600 medals already look like they're decided or there's four people 562 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,040 and three medals and like the race is happening up in the 563 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,120 front. But knowing that you had, you 564 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:58,240 know, 350 fitness and that, you know, very few people aside from 565 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,160 faith in the race like would have that that it's like, OK, we 566 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,520 are at least like in the medal conversation here, Like, was 567 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,760 that easier or is it still the stage of the Olympics is the add 568 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,720 on that brings the pressure and like the attention that makes it 569 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,080 harder? I think it made it a bit easier 570 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,760 in a way, especially knowing once good if Sergey had chosen 571 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:22,640 the 1500, it was like, OK, like she can't, they can't run away 572 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,080 from me and I think they're going to pull me to a medal. 573 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,320 But that all looked extremely different when we got to Paris. 574 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,840 And it's like that race unfolded that the way that final 575 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,600 unfolded, there's just seven or eight of us there at the bell. 576 00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,240 And it's like, it wasn't like it was very, very fast, but it 577 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,920 wasn't like what had fast had looked like in 2022 where the 578 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:45,520 medals were decided 400 meters in essentially in Eugene that 579 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,800 year. So the whole event has leveled 580 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,320 up and it's very much like a faster race at that point in my 581 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,240 career was my strength. So I could always fall back on 582 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,280 that as like, OK, I can handle this and this is OK. 583 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:00,960 And I've been here before. Whereas like Fast forward to 584 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,600 this year, it's like I feel like I'm way more well-rounded and I 585 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,960 don't need it to go fast from the gun. 586 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,560 But I certainly was, yeah, it was a comfort kind of feeling 587 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:11,000 last year when that final was fast. 588 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,160 It's like, OK, I can do this. This is the best opportunity for 589 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:17,960 me to meddle, but it's certainly like, yeah, it just kind of put 590 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,560 me on the map, that 350. So I kind of did have to 591 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,200 navigate that, like, OK, I was never in a metal conversation. 592 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,480 And now it's like expected is that was a different sort of 593 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,800 process to go through over that 3 1/2 four weeks from Paris 594 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,800 Diamond Lake into the Paris Olympics. 595 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,600 So, yeah, I feel like I grew up a lot in the sport in that month 596 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,360 very, very quickly. But I was certainly relieved 597 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,520 when we lined up in that final and good have just started 598 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,000 sending it from the gun. I was like, OK, this is what I 599 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,120 know how to do. All right. 600 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:53,280 So as we get into more of 2025, it became very clear, I guess, 601 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,120 like through the Grand Slams that it's like, all right, the 602 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,640 800 is working, the training is working. 603 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,680 And then from there, you know, you go off and race a couple 604 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,480 diamond leagues. Well, pre classic as well was a 605 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:09,720 little bit of like a preview of what could come at the at the 606 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,760 World Championships. But then I guess like taking it 607 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:18,040 to the Diamond League final, like I'm so I'm wondering like, 608 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,800 what is it that you wanted to experiment with that race 609 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,320 because it was like such a high stakes race to test out any sort 610 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,240 of race tactics. And so obviously, I think at 611 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,640 this point, just sort of you've watched it back, you saw what 612 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,640 happened and you came to the conclusion it was like, all 613 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,880 right, maybe I was, you know, a little too loaded going into 614 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,080 that race. But was there anything in 615 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:41,680 particular that you were looking to get out of that one ahead of 616 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,480 the World Championships? I still don't really have any 617 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:48,160 answers for that one. I hadn't watched it back until 618 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,040 after Tokyo because I, I sort of said to dad when we were walking 619 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,240 back from the stadium that night, I was like, I'm not going 620 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,240 to learn anything from watching that back, am I? 621 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,880 And he's like, don't watch it. And I was like, OK, I've watched 622 00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:02,480 it back now. And sort of being a month 623 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,840 removed, I'm like, it doesn't look as bad as it was in the 624 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,360 moment. But yeah, it was certainly an 625 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:11,480 experience. But I think it was just one of 626 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,880 those things where it was like considering the timing of Paris 627 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,520 Diamond link to Paris Olympics last year and Zurich to Tokyo 628 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,640 Worlds this year. I'd come off an awesome training 629 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,720 book. I had kind of exceeded what I 630 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,680 had been doing in the lead into Paris Olympics. 631 00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:32,960 So I was really, really prepared to as a if I'm going to PB this 632 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,680 year, it's going to be in Zurich. 633 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,040 And then I think it just like the way the field lined up as 634 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,960 well was Faith wasn't doing it. And she had told me that back at 635 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,320 Prefontaine that she probably wouldn't run the Diamond League 636 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,920 final. But then after eBay, what Teddy 637 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,440 was initially in and then she was at and it kind of the way 638 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,200 the field shaped up, it was like, OK, if I want to PB today 639 00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:57,440 or like capitalize on this fitness and just see what the 640 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,440 fitness looks like before we go into a championships and the 641 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,960 championship style of racing. You might not get that fast time 642 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,120 that I know he's in there. I'm going to have to make it 643 00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:11,080 happen kind of myself or like I'm going to have to be the 644 00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,639 woman that gets to the front and pulls the field along to a 645 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,080 pretty special day. And I think that's just 646 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,600 something that I really don't have a ton of experience in 647 00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,719 doing. So I was pretty proud of the 1st 648 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,440 1200 like that. That was a, that was a really 649 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,760 great effort and even the splits that came through and, and I've 650 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,120 since learnt that the 800 meter split that I split that day was, 651 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,199 was quicker than face world record split. 652 00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:37,000 So that was definitely way too aggressive, way, way too 653 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,120 aggressive. But I think in the moment I was 654 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:43,280 just very much like 60 ones coming to me and training in 655 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,040 some really big key sessions. Like 61 points in this race is 656 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,239 just what I want to try and nail down. 657 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,719 And I was really OK until I wasn't. 658 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,679 It kind of came up on me very, very quick strictly with about 659 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:58,640 120 a 110 meters to go and I was like just trying to stay on my 660 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,680 feet down that home straight. And it's nothing I've ever 661 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,160 experienced before. I've never been to that place in 662 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:09,640 training or, or a race beforehand, but I think what was 663 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,320 OK with me was like, OK, that was a huge, huge effort, but I 664 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,440 came off it OK. Like I was able to train again 665 00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:20,040 two days later as planned and, and have the proper block that 666 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:21,560 we had planned to have into Tokyo. 667 00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,960 Like I came off it fine. I was a bit sore just from like 668 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,240 going to such extreme fatigue in the muscles, but in terms of 669 00:35:29,240 --> 00:35:31,640 like bouncing back for training and everything, like I was 670 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:34,840 completely OK, which kind of gave me the confidence like OK, 671 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:36,600 that's not going to happen again. 672 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,920 That was very much just like, I over sent it early and I still 673 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,880 had a significant portion of the race to go. 674 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,240 So it was very much more of a learning about like, OK, just 675 00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,880 you don't need to be so aggressive when you're going for 676 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,360 these big things. It's just like just dial it back 677 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,040 a tiny bit. But to be able to bounce off it 678 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,880 quite well. I knew that by the time we got 679 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,280 to Tokyo that it would sink in as like an effort that had kind 680 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,360 of helped me prepare. So yeah, it was very much a day 681 00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:08,720 that I don't really have a straight up answer for other 682 00:36:08,720 --> 00:36:10,440 than we trained really hard into it. 683 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,640 I probably oversent that first 800 meters and then, yeah, just 684 00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:19,080 kind of absorbed it and hopefully, like was very much 685 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,840 trusting it was going to help me in Tokyo. 686 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:28,120 Chicago, Chicago, Chicago, we are coming in hot, extra cheese 687 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,400 and extra speed because we're taking over a pizza shop for 688 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,080 this one. This upcoming weekend we're 689 00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,080 teaming up with Hoka at Happy Camper Chicago. 690 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,280 It's an Old Town for marathon weekend. 691 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,560 Come hang out at the Hoka Cheer Zone where we'll be hosting a 692 00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:47,400 live alternate broadcast. Watch along of the men's and 693 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,360 women's elite races. It's the place where you'll be 694 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,560 able to get real time reactions, our own commentary, splits and 695 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,800 insights from Eric Jenkins, Karen Lesowitz, Paul Hoff 696 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,680 Mahoney and myself. Yes, we'll also have some 697 00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:04,240 surprise giveaways for marathon finishers. 698 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,080 If you are in Chicago, you do not want to miss it. 699 00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,360 We'll be unveiling what the commemorative item will be in 700 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,920 the coming days. The stream will kick off Sunday 701 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,280 at 7:15 AM Central Time. So TuneIn. 702 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,760 And don't miss a chance to try the brand new Rocket X3 and the 703 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:26,600 Up Tempo Mock X3. If you're in Chicago and can 704 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:30,360 attend the Hoka Hub at the Marathon Expo all weekend long. 705 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,320 Hoka's got tons of events lined up. 706 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:35,680 Wednesday, October 8th. The One Chicago Dinner for all 707 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,320 of the run crews in attendance hosted by Peace Runners 773. 708 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,800 Friday, October 10th there's some poster making, sushi bites 709 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,760 and mini recovery sessions out of the Hoka Chicago store. 710 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,760 Saturday, October 11th there's a Shake Out run with Free People 711 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:54,400 movement out of their place. Sunday, October 12th, custom 712 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:58,480 shoe art by muralist Amuse 126 with some live music. 713 00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:01,080 And then the day after the race you're going to want to remember 714 00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,640 that moment, the performance. There's metal engravings hosted 715 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,360 by 7:00 on Sunday out of Frame Chicago. 716 00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:12,520 You can RSVP, get the addresses, the times, all of the details 717 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,840 through Hoka's Eventbrite link in the show notes. 718 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,240 We've also linked to it on the Sidious Mag Instagram bio. 719 00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,520 So check it all out today. We will see you soon, Chicago. 720 00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,680 Yeah, I guess like us as pundits, I think that was the 721 00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:32,320 first thing that kind of was Max red flag was like, it's not 722 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,680 about just like what just happened. 723 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,320 It's like how Jess's body is going to come off of that crazy 724 00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,360 heart of an effort and then, you know, what's it going to do for 725 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,520 the next couple days? Does it change things leading 726 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,400 into Tokyo? And then to hear that you're 727 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,200 just like, no, I mean like a little bit of soreness, but was 728 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:50,320 able to work out normally. Didn't watch it back. 729 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,600 It's like you put that pat behind you so quick. 730 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,800 Yeah. And that's like the way we 731 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,000 train, like we do go, especially at that time of year, we go hard 732 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,600 every 48 hours. So I was like, as long as I use 733 00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,440 the next 48 hours to recover and like, really like just don't do 734 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,240 anything that's going to put me deeper into a hole, I think I'm 735 00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:11,400 going to be OK. And that was very much like with 736 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,320 dad around me and my training partner and my husband was with 737 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,760 me too all year. This year, it's like I just had 738 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,760 people around me that kept me in that bubble and in that mindset 739 00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:23,640 and didn't let me spiral and be like, what does this mean that 740 00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,880 it was like, OK. When I went down to the track on 741 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:31,200 on the Sunday in Kiavanna, I was able to nail a session that one 742 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:32,960 that gives me a lot of confidence when we're getting 743 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,080 ready for a big 1500. And and I kind of was like, OK, 744 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,560 if I can do that three days later and I'm OK here, like I'm 745 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,520 not redlining and I'm not going further over the whole, then 746 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,480 we're going to be fine. Like, and it's like, I probably 747 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,400 would have liked not to have that as my last race before 748 00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:53,920 Tokyo because I definitely was feeling it out in the heats and 749 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,400 the sammies in Tokyo just to, to be sure, OK. 750 00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,240 Like, I don't think this is going to happen again. 751 00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:01,600 But it did a little bit in the final. 752 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,840 But it was very much I knew how to handle it and how to manage 753 00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,760 it. So yeah, I'd kind of tried to 754 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,040 just take away the learnings from it and not overthink like 755 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,680 what it meant in the grand scheme of things because we just 756 00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,040 didn't have time really. It was like, I can't fit another 757 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,480 race in even if I want to now. So we just got to move on. 758 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:24,040 All right, so once we get to Tokyo first round business as 759 00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:25,960 usual. And then I guess was it the semi 760 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,280 final, I guess where you have the moment with Nikki where I 761 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,480 think mid race you turn and say like, let's take it or whatever. 762 00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,960 What's your vantage point and story behind this one? 763 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:38,680 Yeah, it was, it's slow. It was. 764 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,840 And very much like I kind of just wanted to run it like I had 765 00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:45,160 run the heat where it was like, I am very confident in my 766 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,880 closing gears at the moment that I was like, there's no need to 767 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,560 go and hammer this. It's like just put yourself at 768 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,360 the front, stay out of trouble and control it from second 769 00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,520 essentially. So Nikki and I ended up next to 770 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:58,720 each other on the front line there. 771 00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:01,800 But behind us there was just so much carnage going on. 772 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,120 And a few times like we got some shoves in the back that I was 773 00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:09,920 like once we sort of heard the ripple effect of I think it was 774 00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:16,480 smart as a Noni and the German girl Weasel and Alfonso as well 775 00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,000 had kind of like ricocheted through that whole pack. 776 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,080 And we heard that. And I just said to Nikki, I was 777 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,160 like, OK, let's get it going. But we've we both deserve to 778 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,880 make the final that it's like very much like we're next to 779 00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,080 each other on the front here. Like let's just open it up. 780 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,400 And Nikki sort of said to me, yeah, OK. 781 00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:35,760 And so I'm thinking, okay, we're working together here. 782 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,520 And from about 700 we really started shifting gears and we 783 00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,080 crossed the finish line and, and Nick is like, what did you say 784 00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,720 to me? And I was like, I said, I said, 785 00:41:45,720 --> 00:41:49,240 let's open it up. And they were like, oh, I 786 00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,800 thought that's what you said. And I said, so you just 787 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:53,560 responded without really knowing what I said. 788 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,880 But off we went with it. So I think we were on the same 789 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,920 wavelength. But obviously, like with a 790 00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,600 crowd, you couldn't quite hear what each other was saying that 791 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,240 it was very much like, it's just funny how we were able to 792 00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:07,520 understand what each other meant without directly hearing each 793 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,560 other properly. It's great teamwork, it's such a 794 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,680 good story. And then just I mean, it LED, it 795 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,080 all worked out perfectly for everybody in that sense. 796 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:17,640 Like there was no miscommunication. 797 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:22,120 Everyone went went through and it sets up for like a great 798 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,720 final. So from there, game planning for 799 00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:28,600 the final, what were you expecting? 800 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,360 And like what was sort of like the race plan that when you sit 801 00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,080 down with your dad and and approach the world championship 802 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,440 final against faith could be a gone like to draw up a race plan 803 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,840 to win. What does that look like? 804 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:47,120 It was a little harder to sort of predict this year without a 805 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,680 good of Segay or Saffan Hassan in there. 806 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:54,840 I feel like if you looked at Faiths patterns in previous 807 00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,000 years was in come those championship finals, We had 808 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,920 always had someone that just like went for it for all of us 809 00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,680 to follow. And then the year that we didn't 810 00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:08,880 in Budapest, Faith didn't go from she led the race, but she 811 00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,920 controlled it and it really didn't go until the last five 812 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,760 600 meters. So it was a little more 813 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,360 ambiguous this year, kind of just like seeing who was in the 814 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,320 final, who wasn't in the final and who wasn't even in the 1500. 815 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,200 Overall, it was a bit like a bit more unsure of like how it was 816 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,800 going to go, whereas kind of every other year we've been able 817 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,360 to predict like what would happen. 818 00:43:31,240 --> 00:43:35,840 So it was very much like, OK, we think Faith will lead, but it 819 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,680 might not be crazy fast from the gun. 820 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:43,440 And it wasn't like we were 207 at 800, which is is quite 821 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,440 controlled for all of us. But I think it just it never 822 00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,600 really felt that comfortable. And I think having looked back 823 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,920 at the splits now and sort of seeing like even just watching 824 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,080 it and kind of watching it with the eye of like, OK, why didn't 825 00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:00,640 that feel good? I think it was like, you've got 826 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,760 to give massive credit to Faith, QP, Aegon for who she is and 827 00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,520 what she does because it's like off the back of the heat and the 828 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,000 final. But then the way that that final 829 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,760 felt was like it felt like there were moments where we were 830 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,120 comfortable and then there were moments where I was like, wow, 831 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:17,800 we're really running now, even early on. 832 00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:21,440 So I don't know if there was like some surging or some like 833 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,360 different points where it was like she kind of like hit the 834 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,840 gas for 50 meters or so and then backed it off like and that 835 00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,560 happens naturally sometimes just with the crowd and has as they 836 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,560 get excited. But there was definitely like it 837 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,120 didn't feel like a smooth 207 to me. 838 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,000 And I know it was like winding up as we went, but the winding 839 00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:42,920 felt like she really knew what she was doing to ground the 840 00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,560 gears down of that of that field. 841 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,120 And looking back at it with like kind of knowing how it played 842 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:49,480 out. The respect that I have for 843 00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,600 someone to be able to execute a race like that on the world 844 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,240 stage in a global final, when a golden, when a medal and a gold 845 00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:59,240 medal are on the line, it's incredible. 846 00:44:59,240 --> 00:45:03,400 And just even the section of the race that I think is her most 847 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:08,120 impressive is like 800 to 1300 because I think she split 848 00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:13,680 something like 74 low like 114, which is it's sub to 800 meter 849 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,120 pace at that point with still having like another 200 meters 850 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,520 to go. And it's not like it was like 851 00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,600 deadly slow at 800 meters where you see those huge shifts. 852 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:26,760 Like it was still sub 4 minute pace at halfway. 853 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:31,080 And then she still had that kind of gear with a significant part 854 00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,640 of the race where the last 200 is like where that medal is 1. 855 00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,120 And the way she's kind of running off that bend, it was 856 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,520 incredible to have done something like that from the 857 00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,520 front. And even in those conditions, 858 00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:46,440 like I know it wasn't it's a 1500, but at that point you've 859 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,400 spent a hate a semi and then the preparation for a final out in 860 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,120 those conditions. And she's still executed it like 861 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:54,560 that. It's like that's why she is the 862 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,840 champion of our event and and kind of the goal posts for us 863 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,200 all to try and get to. It's such a it was such a master 864 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,240 class and like you look at the I think they had the every 100m 865 00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:10,320 split and Faith was leading from the 1st 100 onward. 866 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:14,240 And it's like this squeezing the life out of her competitors. 867 00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:18,840 It was like so impressive just how well executed that whole 868 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,080 thing was. And and like at the very 869 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,400 beginning, you're just like, yeah, I mean, it's not everyone 870 00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,720 is should still be in contention for it. 871 00:46:25,720 --> 00:46:29,280 And then, like you said, I think it was like going into before 872 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,560 the bell lap, that third lap was just sort of like, all right, 873 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,040 this is where she's really making a move. 874 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:38,560 And it was just so vicious. But I mean, again, yeah, I agree 875 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,560 with you wholeheartedly. It's why she is who she is. 876 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:46,360 And so I even looking at the splits, like you were in touch 877 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,360 with 200 meters to go. And even that last final 200 of 878 00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:54,160 hers was so remarkable. And you've been in so many races 879 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:58,240 now where you're one of the people who's got the best 880 00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,720 vantage point of what it's like when Faith Capayon turns on The 881 00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:07,440 Jets and goes, like, can you describe that for us as like, I 882 00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,880 know it's like, yeah, it's the worst thing that could happen to 883 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,600 you in a race because there's no matching it or, or covering it 884 00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,840 entirely. But I mean, as a competitor, 885 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,640 what what happens in that moment? 886 00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,160 What do you see and what do you notice that is like? 887 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:21,960 You don't even have that much time to think. 888 00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,560 Yeah, it's like one of them things that you see it before 889 00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:28,320 you feel it. Like you go from being like, OK, 890 00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,440 I'm OK, stay right here, stay, stay connected. 891 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,640 And then suddenly it's like there's like 3 or 4 steps on you 892 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,040 and it's like wow. Like it's you kind of have to 893 00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,920 just stay in the race and not think about that too much. 894 00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,080 But I think having had so many Times Now where it's like 895 00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,960 somewhere in that last 300, she's she's going to pull away 896 00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,480 and kind of like I got a little further than like I have in 897 00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:54,640 Prefontaine and Paris to be there at 200. 898 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,480 But it's still just so significant when she shifts that 899 00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,680 gear. And I think that is one of her 900 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:03,400 best weapons is like she can go to her Top Gear like from 901 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,320 further out than a lot of people can. 902 00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:09,200 A lot of people wait for that that final turn and to come off 903 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:12,280 the turn, whereas like Faith is very comfortable getting to that 904 00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:16,440 Top Gear before the straight. And I think it just like it 905 00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,560 makes anyone behind her like question themselves or like in 906 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:24,120 question if they can go from this far out that before you 907 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,880 even realize she started to pull away, it's like she's already 908 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:29,040 gone. It's kind of like, it's pretty 909 00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,440 incredible. Just saying, especially having 910 00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,680 LED that final from the gun, how she still had that turn of gear. 911 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,200 And it just, yeah, very much you have to then focus on yourself 912 00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:42,480 and just focus on the race. And the screens in Tokyo were 913 00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,160 incredible. Like you could use the screens 914 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,360 to kind of see who was there and and they were showing our race 915 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,800 every time we were out there. So when I turned into the 916 00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,880 straight and saw that Nelly and Dorcas were there, I knew as I 917 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,800 get I have a battle on my hands. So he very much then kind of 918 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,720 forget about what life is doing and try and and try and hold on 919 00:49:01,720 --> 00:49:03,120 to that metal down the home straight. 920 00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,000 So, yeah, it's a it's distracting in the moment a 921 00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,320 little bit, but then it's a reminder of like, OK, the race 922 00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,320 is still happening. Like you got to get, got to get 923 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,480 to the line. Heart rate, adrenaline pumping, 924 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:17,240 like OK, take me through focusing on you, your final 200 925 00:49:17,240 --> 00:49:18,560 and trying. You're at that point, you're 926 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,440 playing defense. Very much defense is a good way 927 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,960 to describe it. I think I there were shades of 928 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,240 Zurich for me a little bit where it was like, OK, I really don't 929 00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:32,920 have a lot in my legs, but I cannot lose a metal right now. 930 00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:36,960 And that was like, I kind of knew how to talk myself through 931 00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,040 it a little bit more having Zurich in my, like, experience 932 00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,200 repertoire, I guess you could say. 933 00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:46,680 But yeah, it was like, I I just was like, OK, hold on, like, 934 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:50,720 stay tall, stay turning your legs and just like defends, I 935 00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:52,840 guess. And Dorcas came past really 936 00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:55,640 strongly for the silver and, and that was a huge breakthrough for 937 00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,200 her. And then to sort of be battling 938 00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,200 with Nelly for that bronze in the final strides, it was so 939 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:04,160 strange because that's like exactly flashback to Zurich 940 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,280 where we were kind of like in that last couple of strides, it 941 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,560 was like, who's going to win the Diamond League final that yeah, 942 00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,200 I kind of just relied on that, OK, I've been here, I can do 943 00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,400 this this time and lean for the line. 944 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,640 And I really didn't know until they flashed it up on the board. 945 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,240 I was like, did I just completely lose a medal? 946 00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:25,280 Like. But I do know looking back on 947 00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,880 it, like there is nothing more I could have done in that race. 948 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:32,280 I'm like, I, I took myself to zero, so I got everything out of 949 00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,440 myself. I physically and mentally like 950 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,360 there's nothing different I could have done. 951 00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:41,120 And just like that last 4050 meters, I was like, please just 952 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:45,000 don't lose a medal entirely. And yeah, I was able to get 953 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,280 across the line. But I am really proud of the 954 00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,320 bronze in that moment because I'm like, well, there's no 955 00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,760 different race I could have ran that. 956 00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:56,720 Like I could have maybe ran a bit safer and, and we entirely 957 00:50:56,720 --> 00:51:00,000 let faith go and we run differently. 958 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,360 But I don't really think that that's kind of a race that I 959 00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:05,480 would be proud of. Like I've never really been one 960 00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,560 to hold back and, and try and finish a place or two higher 961 00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:10,440 because I've I've sat back and kicked. 962 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:14,040 Like that's just not the racing that excites me is like I kind 963 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,280 of grow in it if I'm like in it kind of thing. 964 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,600 So I wouldn't really change anything. 965 00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,360 But other than maybe trying to hold that last 100 meters 966 00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,480 together a little bit better. But I think in saying that, like 967 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,280 knowing that I got everything out of myself, I had to be proud 968 00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,240 and I was, I was really lucky that it flashed out that I still 969 00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:34,760 hold on to the bronze as a as a good symbol of that. 970 00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,520 I I watch the NBC version and I'm sure I wonder if it's in 971 00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,760 like other versions of like the video that's out there. 972 00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,720 But the final 20 meters where you're like where at that point, 973 00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:51,160 like Dorcas passes you on your right and Nelly's, you know, on 974 00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:56,760 in lane one on the on your left. But you even in that final 100 975 00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,520 meters, there was just a quick look, I think that you had made 976 00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,640 over your right shoulder. And so even just before the 977 00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,080 finish line, there's a moment where you veer off into lane 2 978 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:08,160 mostly. And it kind of opened up lane 979 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:13,440 one even more for Nelly, like just at that point, like running 980 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,080 on instinct, like I I'm sure your brain was mush at that 981 00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:17,840 point to just trying to get to the finish line. 982 00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:21,480 Yeah, I really, I don't know what that move was at all. 983 00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,720 I can't really analyse it and give you a good answer. 984 00:52:24,720 --> 00:52:28,600 But I do think I'm, I'm thinking maybe I thought I could pass 985 00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:33,280 Dorcas back in, that the gap between Nelly and Dorcas wasn't 986 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:34,520 big enough for me to get through. 987 00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,480 Like that's the only thing I can really put it down to is like 988 00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:41,200 instinctively maybe I thought, OK, I can get back past and I've 989 00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:43,960 sort of tried to go back around to do that. 990 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:46,640 But yeah, no, I really don't know. 991 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:49,920 I think that was just extreme fatigue and I didn't really know 992 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,960 what moves I was. Making I don't I don't blame 993 00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:56,000 anyone for any moves that they make in the final 1050 meters of 994 00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:57,560 a of a race. Yeah. 995 00:52:57,600 --> 00:52:59,600 Totally. And you you held on for the for 996 00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,680 for the bronze and that I mean, it was remarkable. 997 00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:07,240 So even in the as faith is celebrating, I think it came out 998 00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:09,760 later on that she didn't even she thought you had held on for 999 00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,840 silver. And it wasn't until like they're 1000 00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:16,440 in the mix zone talking to like the Kenyan reporters that she 1001 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:19,440 realizes Dorcas actually ended up with the silver and you got 1002 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,960 bronze. And I think it also kind of goes 1003 00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:24,600 to just like speak to, I think the level of respect that she 1004 00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:27,360 has for you knowing one, I think in some of her post race 1005 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,160 comments is like, she knew you had a kick and that she had to 1006 00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,440 run the race exactly how she did because you were a threat. 1007 00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,600 And then at the same time, like she assumed that you ended up in 1008 00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,000 with silver. Yeah, I think she said that it 1009 00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:45,840 was because like when she looked at the screen just after 200, it 1010 00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,960 was me that was with her. She said I just saw blonde. 1011 00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:52,200 And I think she kind of knew she was like, OK, Jessica's right 1012 00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:53,640 here. And I think she just assumed 1013 00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,280 that I I hold on, which I really, really appreciate that 1014 00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:01,160 she had that respect for me. But yeah, it was, it was pretty 1015 00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,640 funny to watch that little moment where her and Dorcas, 1016 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,160 Dorcas like, no, I got the silver. 1017 00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:09,360 So, yeah, I think, I mean, when we get to do the victory lap 1018 00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,800 together and, and Faith has just, I'm sure we're so excited 1019 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,880 about the way she executed the race for her win. 1020 00:54:16,720 --> 00:54:19,400 You've kind of don't take in all of those little things. 1021 00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,320 And then when I was on the victory lap and, and Dorcas was 1022 00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,480 with her, she, she probably just still hadn't put it all 1023 00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,280 together. I think if it had been a Kenyan 1024 00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,840 sweep, then she definitely would have realized I, I didn't get 1025 00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:32,320 the silver, let alone the bronze. 1026 00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,920 But yeah, I think it was very much like just in the moment, 1027 00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,600 wrapped up in in the excitement of it all, she hadn't quite 1028 00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,200 realized. 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Find them, sip them and don't 1042 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:36,640 miss the SpongeBob movie in theaters December 19th, I think 1043 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,640 it was the rule was I think from your dad is like celebrate the 1044 00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:45,240 1500 medal and then give it a day or so and then that's when 1045 00:55:45,240 --> 00:55:47,040 you start to game plan for the 800. 1046 00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:53,960 So with a medal in the 15 did it sort of just like you described 1047 00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,800 anything on your Instagram. It's like living a whole nother 1048 00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,600 life running the 800. But did you have to kind of let 1049 00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,000 go of just like, all right, I just put myself through that and 1050 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,200 now this is just so sort of like treating it like a whole another 1051 00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:07,040 chapter of the World Championships. 1052 00:56:07,680 --> 00:56:10,720 Definitely and I think like yeah, it really did feel like a 1053 00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:15,320 second life like it was everything reset was even the 1054 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,280 pressure and expectation didn't follow me in the 800 whatsoever 1055 00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,440 that it was very much like just kind of go out there and explore 1056 00:56:22,440 --> 00:56:25,960 and see what you can do and and learn a lot from these rounds 1057 00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,400 was. I couldn't really think about 1058 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:32,120 the 800 until at least we had hate sheets because I haven't 1059 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:34,920 read enough of them that it was like there's not really any 1060 00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:38,160 point being like thinking too much about a certain person if I 1061 00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,400 never have to raise them in this championships. 1062 00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,720 Like. So once the heats came out, it 1063 00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:45,360 was like, OK, now I can think about how to navigate these 1064 00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:47,560 fields and, and what might be my strength. 1065 00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,360 And I think it didn't really matter to me who was in these 1066 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:52,920 races. Like I have a very certain way I 1067 00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:56,360 have to run the 800 like I can't get out in 26 seconds. 1068 00:56:56,360 --> 00:56:59,640 So it's I'm going to be coming from the back and it kind of 1069 00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,000 just, it looks to me like it looks a bit different based on 1070 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:06,080 who's in the field as to when I can predict I might get 1071 00:57:06,200 --> 00:57:09,200 attached. And I think that was very much 1072 00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,800 like, OK, I know how I have to run and then we'll just see 1073 00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,800 who's in the field and then I can put some metrics on it. 1074 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,880 So I got to enjoy the 1500 because I couldn't really start 1075 00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,040 being an 800 runner until we at least had heat sheets. 1076 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,320 So yeah, it was a good way. Definitely having that day off 1077 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,640 in between makes it a much more doable double just to reset 1078 00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,560 entirely and come back as like with that second life all. 1079 00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:34,920 Right. So when the first round goes the 1080 00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:39,920 way it does and you're caught up in a in a fall, like as soon as 1081 00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,040 that happens, like you do end up, you get back up and you 1082 00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,400 finish the race. Were you thinking like, all 1083 00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:47,120 right, like I'm going to move on and get put through to the next 1084 00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:48,800 round and this thing is going to keep going? 1085 00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:52,040 Or was there a little degree of you thinking, all right, this is 1086 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:55,720 this is how it ends? Yeah, I really didn't know 1087 00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:59,240 because like it's like I've never been on that side of 1088 00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:02,440 things, relying on kind of to be advanced. 1089 00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,880 I've always done it for myself. So it was like, OK, I think I 1090 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,920 was tripped from behind. I'm not entirely sure. 1091 00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:13,440 It all happened so fast that until I saw some footage of it 1092 00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,960 and I was like, oh, OK, yeah, there were there's nothing I 1093 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,600 could do. I was then pretty confident that 1094 00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,760 I would be advanced, but it happened so early on in the race 1095 00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,120 too. It's like hard to say that 1096 00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,280 would. I've held that position and I 1097 00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,680 think the ruling on on the advancement was that when I was 1098 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,240 when I did fall, I was in a position of advancement. 1099 00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,920 But I'm like, well, yes, but it was 200 meters into an 800, so. 1100 00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:39,800 It's so early. Like, so I didn't really know. 1101 00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,480 I was like, I'm pretty sure I can get advanced because there's 1102 00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,440 nothing more I could have done to stay on my feet. 1103 00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:48,880 But I was waiting on it and they turned it around pretty quickly. 1104 00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,320 By the time I got back to the the warm up track to cool down 1105 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:56,560 and just proceed as though I was advancing, our high performance 1106 00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,680 manager called dad and said, yeah, she's been advanced. 1107 00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,800 So it was like, okay, well that's so far and we'll get 1108 00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:04,320 another chance. So I was just a little, I was 1109 00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,320 content with the 15 and that like, okay, if it ends here, at 1110 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:10,280 least it wasn't my main event, but it was at the same time I 1111 00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,720 was like, I know I have a big 800 in my legs. 1112 00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,400 I just want to see what that looks like. 1113 00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,960 So that was kind of once I did get that proceeding through to 1114 00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,880 the semi final, I was like, OK, I've got to make the most of 1115 00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:25,120 this. Like I can, I can PB here and I 1116 00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:28,240 think I can go under the current Australian record at that point 1117 00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:31,160 that I was like by the time once we saw the semi finals, I was 1118 00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:32,720 like, OK, make the most of this one. 1119 00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:36,360 All right, so we're to the wise to anyone who wants to advance 1120 00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:40,280 to semi finals is just go down in an advancing position in the 1121 00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,520 1st 200 meters of your heats and hopefully you'll get through to 1122 00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,080 the next round. Lesson learned for. 1123 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:50,680 Everyone but even that like had shocked me in the moment like to 1124 00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,760 be in the front 200 meters in I was like what is happening here? 1125 00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:58,600 Because like that's not kind of like I can't get off the line 1126 00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,600 and so kind of. I think I was then a little 1127 01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:04,520 cautious off the line in the next round because I was like, 1128 01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,160 well, I don't accidentally want to end up in the front in the 1129 01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:11,400 mess of it all that yeah, it was a the whole thing was just like 1130 01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:12,800 something that has never happened. 1131 01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,200 And I'm very glad it wasn't the 1500 meter final because I don't 1132 01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,640 think I could have regrouped like I did if it had have been 1133 01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,040 like in the 15. All right, So then you do make 1134 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:27,320 the most out of that semi final and you run 15715, All right, 1135 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:31,200 What went so right in this one and you did end up making the 1136 01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,840 most of the opportunity. Yeah, I think I just ran my race 1137 01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,560 and that was that's something I've been trying to do in like 1138 01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,280 the 800 all year was just to run the race. 1139 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,600 That is the most effective for me to to run fast in the 800. 1140 01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:48,480 And I think it was really good for me to have Sage out there in 1141 01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:53,040 my semi final because neither well Sage is much, much better 1142 01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,840 at this than I am. But neither of us can quite get 1143 01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,880 out with the the 800 meter women that come from the 400 side of 1144 01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:03,000 things. So I kind of was able to gauge a 1145 01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:06,760 Sage for that first 300 or so where it's like sage is starting 1146 01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,960 to get on and I'm getting a little bit closer just gradually 1147 01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,600 kind of as she's moving out, I'm moving up, but from further 1148 01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:17,160 behind that I was like kind of able to get through that first 3 1149 01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:21,280 to 400 quite well. But then it's very much like for 1150 01:01:21,280 --> 01:01:23,960 that 2nd 400 is like I can't settle at any point. 1151 01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:27,880 I just have to keep moving up. So I made a good move right 1152 01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:32,000 before the bell to put myself right on the guma and wear that. 1153 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,320 I was like in their pocket and I was like, this is the best place 1154 01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:37,280 to be. Like these two women are going 1155 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:39,520 to pull me through to to where I want to go. 1156 01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:43,000 And we kind of assumed that the little cues would come from our 1157 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:48,240 semi final that based on how deep it was and I was a bit of 1158 01:01:48,240 --> 01:01:51,480 an unknown, I think that people might not have realized what I 1159 01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:54,400 was capable of in 800 if I got the right opportunity. 1160 01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:57,880 So kind of just to get in that pocket with those two women that 1161 01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:01,320 had been doing so well all year and to just stay there and trust 1162 01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:04,320 myself. It was really, really important 1163 01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,920 I think for me to sort of see as well that I could run on that 1164 01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:11,520 red line and I could be OK in the last 100 as well. 1165 01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,720 Because it's like something that just wasn't quite happening in 1166 01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:19,560 the 1500 to just sort of be like no pressure here, but I'm just 1167 01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:22,520 going to see if I can stick. And I think it was the strongest 1168 01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:25,440 race I probably ran across the whole championships was that 800 1169 01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:29,040 meter semi. And that just came from having a 1170 01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:32,320 chance and taking it, taking the opportunity and just kind of 1171 01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,920 running my own race amongst like some really, really strong 1172 01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,080 hitters in the 800. Of the whole entire 1173 01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,400 championships and all of the competitors, you were the 1174 01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:44,680 happiest person to sit in the elimination chairs like you had 1175 01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,880 a smile on your face from the moment you sat down. 1176 01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,760 You felt very confident that that time would hold up. 1177 01:02:49,880 --> 01:02:54,000 You know, after the, the, the following heat, semi final heat 1178 01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,800 that followed, but it was just so funny. 1179 01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,240 I'll ask the same question I asked sage. 1180 01:02:58,240 --> 01:03:00,720 Was it like, did you notice if anyone had wiped down those 1181 01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:04,360 chairs for you before you sat down 'cause I that's the only 1182 01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:06,680 thing that's kind of been like top of my mind was just sort of 1183 01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:09,000 like, oh, there's a hygiene component to this whole entire 1184 01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:11,000 thing. Like have they like there's so 1185 01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:14,000 many sweaty people sitting in those things, but are they 1186 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,000 wiping and, and everyone's caught up and just like I just 1187 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,160 finished a, a race. They don't even pay any mind to 1188 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:21,520 it. But did you notice anyone 1189 01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:25,720 cleaning up those chairs or no? I didn't notice that they 1190 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,960 actually just there so quickly and like basically they needed 1191 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,880 us sitting down before they could start the next race. 1192 01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,360 So they kind of just like I should just there and and we sat 1193 01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:35,920 down. But I don't know if they did 1194 01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:39,040 that in between. I'd hope so, but yeah. 1195 01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,560 You look so happy. And then Sage was still a little 1196 01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:44,800 bit like stressing after that one. 1197 01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,360 What's the conversation taking place between the two of you 1198 01:03:47,360 --> 01:03:49,120 during the race? Was there any Speaking of like 1199 01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:53,120 watching the next one unfold? Yeah, I was pretty confident for 1200 01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:56,480 both of us just knowing who was to come in the next semi. 1201 01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,640 And that way Keely had executed her heat. 1202 01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,000 She had just wanted to control it from the front without doing 1203 01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:06,720 any more than she had to. So I kind of was quite confident 1204 01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,240 for both of us. I was like, I think we're going 1205 01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:10,880 to be OK because Keely will control this. 1206 01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:14,440 And when the Olympic champion wants to control the race, like 1207 01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,480 it takes a lot of guts from somebody else to like take that 1208 01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,920 control position from her. And I just, I didn't really see 1209 01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,360 that happening based on, on who was in the race. 1210 01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:26,560 I, I was really confident in Abby Caldwell because like she's 1211 01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:29,880 an Australian and I knew the way she'd been training, we'd been 1212 01:04:29,880 --> 01:04:32,320 on camps in the same place a few times this year. 1213 01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,960 And I know kind of what she wanted out of this championship. 1214 01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,920 So I was quite confident that Abby was going to press Kelly, 1215 01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,120 which kind of knowing like, and that's kind of how it did unfold 1216 01:04:43,120 --> 01:04:46,320 for the 1st 500 meters. But when Abby had that position, 1217 01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:49,600 no one else could have it. And it's like no one kind of 1218 01:04:49,600 --> 01:04:52,880 tried to press beyond them. So I think just the Intel I had 1219 01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,480 and the understanding of the way Keely had run the heat, I was 1220 01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:59,000 like, I think we're going to be OK and say just like, I need to 1221 01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,080 see it. I'm like, no, I think we're 1222 01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:05,760 going to be fine. So yeah, I think it was like I 1223 01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,680 knew we had the deepest semi and kind of like the times that we 1224 01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,440 had friend, I was like, OK, that they're going to be enough to 1225 01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:14,120 advance for OK. And yeah, that it was, it was 1226 01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:17,400 must have been quite contrasting seeing like the emotions on both 1227 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:19,880 of our faces. And I think at that point too, I 1228 01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:23,120 was like, well, I finally ran the PB that I knew I could. 1229 01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:24,640 I've I've broken the Australian record. 1230 01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:27,040 Like if that's not enough, like I don't know what else I could 1231 01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,440 have done. So I kind of had to be content 1232 01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,320 if that wasn't enough to make the final. 1233 01:05:32,080 --> 01:05:33,760 Yeah. So I mean you seem pretty 1234 01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:39,720 fulfilled after that semi final that you had nothing to lose 1235 01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,720 come the actual 800 meter final. What? 1236 01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:45,520 What did you want to get out of that final race? 1237 01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,360 I think I kind of thought I could go a little bit quicker if 1238 01:05:49,360 --> 01:05:52,760 I had another perfect day, like I could, I could go a tiny bit 1239 01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:56,240 faster and I ended up like running .15 slower. 1240 01:05:56,240 --> 01:06:00,520 So I was back in the ballpark, which to me just confirmed, OK, 1241 01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:05,600 I didn't flick that first one like I am a 157 low person, but 1242 01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:08,600 I think I just wanted to see what I could do in a field like 1243 01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,680 that. Like I think the final was it 1244 01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:14,080 was extremely fast and like that's it. 1245 01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:18,240 That's a huge gap in in what these top 800 meter women are 1246 01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,800 doing and and what my capabilities in the 800 are 1247 01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,800 right now. But I think I just kind of 1248 01:06:23,800 --> 01:06:27,440 wanted to execute the same way, run my own race and hopefully 1249 01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,440 get attached at some point. And I think we were sort of of 1250 01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,960 the understanding if I could be really, really patient, like, 1251 01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:36,800 and this thing goes out as fast as we're expecting it to, I 1252 01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,960 might be able to pick up some pieces in the last hundred 150 1253 01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:43,080 meters. And I, I know when I saw the 55 1254 01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:46,520 high split at frozen on the clock when I came through, I was 1255 01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:50,080 like, oh, OK, like stay in this because like, it's probably 1256 01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:52,680 going to be some carnage. And there wasn't like, that's 1257 01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:56,200 like the hugest credit to the top women in that 800 was like, 1258 01:06:56,480 --> 01:07:00,200 no one really fell apart of such a crazy face pace in the 1st 1259 01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:03,200 400. Like I guess Mary kind of 1260 01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:06,200 started coming back towards me, but she's still held on for 7th 1261 01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:09,680 and I was 8th. So it was like, and she had done 1262 01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:13,560 her job, I think at that point to send Adira up with the best 1263 01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,720 chance to to kind of cause some ruckus at the front. 1264 01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:20,120 And I think that was like kind of the the thing we took away 1265 01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:23,520 was like, well, like this event like, and these these women are 1266 01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:26,200 incredible. Like they can go out that fast. 1267 01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:30,080 And there was no one fell apart, which is a pretty historic final 1268 01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:32,840 to be a part of. But yeah, it was kind of crazy 1269 01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:35,360 to be so far back, even coming into the home straight. 1270 01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:39,960 And I sort of was able to watch the battle between like Lilliano 1271 01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,240 Deira coming on the outside and then Keely and George are. 1272 01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:44,760 And it's like, this is the best state in the house to see this. 1273 01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:46,920 But like I got to finish my own race as well. 1274 01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:50,400 So yeah, very, really, really cool find out to be a part of. 1275 01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,920 And it does sort of spark like a little bit more interest in the 1276 01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:56,320 800 for me is like, OK, like at the front, these women are 1277 01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,840 incredible. But like, OK, what what can we 1278 01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:02,720 maybe do in the 8 if we like we keep sort of exploring what that 1279 01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,080 looks like in training and stuff and like trying to get a bit 1280 01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,280 closer. And I don't think 154 is in my 1281 01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:12,160 wheelhouse, but like, like maybe I can get into the 150 Sixers. 1282 01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:15,120 And then if you catch a good day, like maybe that looks like 1283 01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:20,080 155, like sort of Georgia had run 155 in Zurich and then 1284 01:08:21,479 --> 01:08:24,479 support a perfect day and a little bit more prepared for 800 1285 01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:28,000 come Tokyo that that would look like another one second 1286 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,920 improvement. So yeah, it's the women are 1287 01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:32,520 incredible in that event as well. 1288 01:08:32,520 --> 01:08:34,800 And just sort of seeing how they've designed their season. 1289 01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:37,560 I'm like, well, maybe I can get a bit faster if we we keep 1290 01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:41,080 focusing on this and and get a part of that front race, whereas 1291 01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:45,240 I was sort of time trialing from the back on my own for that 1292 01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:48,200 final. It, it was really funny to to 1293 01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:51,640 watch the gun goes off and, you know, you could see who the 1294 01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:55,720 people with the 400 chops are battling up towards the front. 1295 01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,880 And then you have Mary Moore and Keely essentially fighting for 1296 01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,359 who's going to be in the pole position. 1297 01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:04,359 And you're just kind of hanging back and like you watch the gap. 1298 01:09:04,359 --> 01:09:07,200 And it's it's really fun to watch unfold because then once 1299 01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:09,640 you take a look at the final results, it's like, oh, she 1300 01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:13,520 ended up right with them all because yeah, it was, it was 1301 01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:16,840 really funny. But yeah, it was a very, very 1302 01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:20,399 entertaining race. So all right, amazing World 1303 01:09:20,399 --> 01:09:23,479 Championships. And then I guess like, yeah, 1304 01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:26,720 it's only been like, you know, two weeks since Tokyo. 1305 01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:30,120 But next year there's like the Ultimate championships. 1306 01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:33,000 And it's not necessarily an off year, but it does allow for 1307 01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:37,120 people to experiment a bit more, focus on one event or another. 1308 01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,120 Yeah, I know you haven't sat down to decompress off of, you 1309 01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:43,960 know, 2025 with your dad yet, but where's your sort of like, 1310 01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:48,840 appetite for 2026 at right now? Yeah, so we have the 1311 01:09:48,840 --> 01:09:52,399 Commonwealth Games next year too, which is it is huge as an 1312 01:09:52,399 --> 01:09:56,000 Australian and it's it's probably behind the Olympics. 1313 01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:59,520 It's probably the most watched track and field we have in 1314 01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:02,320 Australia. So I think definitely 1315 01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:04,600 prioritizing the Commonwealth Games pretty highly. 1316 01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:07,960 And and if you do even look at that World Champs 800 final, 1317 01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:11,800 like you take out Sage and Audrey Weiro and you add back in 1318 01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:15,080 like Prudent Secadiso and or town, no way. 1319 01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:18,440 Or like Abby Caldwell, Claudia Hollingsworth, It's like it's 1320 01:10:18,440 --> 01:10:23,040 just as deep in a way, like the Commonwealth 800, at least not 1321 01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:24,840 to say that that's where we're gonna focus. 1322 01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:28,920 I'll definitely prioritize the mile there and if there is room 1323 01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:32,200 to double, I would like to whether that's the 800 or or 1324 01:10:32,200 --> 01:10:35,160 maybe it's the 5K, like I'm not entirely sure just yet. 1325 01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:37,000 It depends how the schedule is set up. 1326 01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:39,680 But I think that's sort of something that really does 1327 01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:41,440 excite me is like the Commonwealth Games and the 1328 01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:45,200 caliber of that field. And I think it has sort of been 1329 01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:48,080 a championships that you never know when the last one's going 1330 01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,040 to be. Like we had it in Birmingham in 1331 01:10:50,040 --> 01:10:54,240 2022 and then we had some issues finding a host for 2026 and 1332 01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,200 right now there's no host for 20-30. 1333 01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,960 That it kind of feels like there's an opportunity there. 1334 01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,560 If like if athletics is is really strongly supported there 1335 01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,640 and the athletes prioritize that championships, like maybe that 1336 01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:08,320 gives life to the 2030 version and beyond. 1337 01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:11,160 Kind of thing is like if the athletes show up, do their job, 1338 01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:14,160 create the hype, like maybe that helps the championship survive 1339 01:11:14,160 --> 01:11:17,240 another four years. That that's something that 1340 01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:21,440 really excites me to commit to and to prioritize that second 1341 01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:25,200 part of the year around. But I think just now it's like 1342 01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:29,320 world crossword indoors is kind of like that first goal and that 1343 01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:33,440 first step and then Commonwealth Games ultimate champs and World 1344 01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:37,080 Rd. champs for the mile in September. 1345 01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:40,800 So it's it is another big year. The yes, there's no outdoor 1346 01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:43,200 worlds and no Olympics, but there's a lot of stuff on the 1347 01:11:43,200 --> 01:11:46,320 calendar that makes it exciting. And we'll definitely make it 1348 01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:49,440 easy to start putting the miles back in knowing what we're 1349 01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:52,120 building towards. But yeah, I think the mile at 1350 01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:55,040 the Commonwealth Games is is the big thing that at the moment 1351 01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:58,240 feels like that's going to be where my energy prioritizes. 1352 01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:02,080 That's such a loaded calendar that I feel like, all right, 1353 01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:03,680 you're gonna get through next year and it's gonna be like, all 1354 01:12:03,680 --> 01:12:07,720 right, and LA is gonna be is a year and a half away from now. 1355 01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,080 Yeah, yeah. I think it's the thing that's 1356 01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:13,520 like, yes, it's an off year, but there's still a lot of like 1357 01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,760 events on and there's still a lot of things going on. 1358 01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:19,760 And I think it does afford like the luxury of like doing some 1359 01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:23,480 different things and, and trying some different things and race 1360 01:12:23,480 --> 01:12:26,120 distances and stuff. And I don't know that there's 1361 01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,240 much. I'm definitely not going up to 1362 01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:30,840 10K. And I joked about the staple 1363 01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:33,040 chase to my husband and he was like, no. 1364 01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:37,760 So I think there's no room to really experiment for me beyond 1365 01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,840 the 800, the 1500, maybe a few 5 KS. 1366 01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:43,880 I'd love to run a grid 3K if we can fit that in. 1367 01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:48,680 But yeah, I think for me, it'll just be like business as usual. 1368 01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:52,840 And I guess we just don't have quite the the drainingness of 1369 01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:56,560 like a 10 day championship next year because even Commonwealth 1370 01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:58,400 Games fast is only over A5 day window. 1371 01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:02,280 So I think that will sort of help keep things fresh even 1372 01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:05,040 though there is a loaded calendar is there's just no like 1373 01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:08,560 910 day championship at the end where you just feel like you're 1374 01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:11,200 you're staying up for a lot of days in a row. 1375 01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,800 It's funny because like Sage steps off the track and then on 1376 01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,640 NBC, she's asked about LA 2028, which was crazy because it's 1377 01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:22,200 like with the depth of the US women's 800, like there's no 1378 01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:25,400 guarantee that even like, I mean, look at this year's team 1379 01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:27,440 was totally different than last year's team for the United 1380 01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:30,000 States in the 800. Like the 20, 2018 could look 1381 01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:33,280 totally different. And even in the mix zone when 1382 01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:36,200 you came through, you were asked about 2028. 1383 01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,040 But I feel like as an Australian, like you're, you're 1384 01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:42,680 probably already even fielding questions about 2032 like has 1385 01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:47,000 like that feels like a video game number out there. 1386 01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,120 But like for you, it's something that you do have to think about. 1387 01:13:51,040 --> 01:13:53,520 Yeah, yeah. I feel like it's like it's 1388 01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,920 really hard to be in the moment in the sport because everyone 1389 01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:58,080 wants to know what's next or what's coming. 1390 01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:02,080 So it's like for it's like you have to be very, very calculated 1391 01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,120 about like not thinking too far ahead. 1392 01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,360 And, and I am someone that likes to think ahead. 1393 01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:07,680 I like to kind of know what's coming. 1394 01:14:07,680 --> 01:14:11,320 I like to plan. But 2032 for me is like, I 1395 01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:13,880 always thought I would be in the marathon if, if I was in 1396 01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:17,800 something, I was like, yeah, I'll run the marathon there and 1397 01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,120 that'll be it like kind of thing. 1398 01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:24,360 But I think having especially this Olympic cycle being so 1500 1399 01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:27,800 focused and then whatever suits around that, like running some 1400 01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:29,640 eights and some 5 KS to support that. 1401 01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,440 It does leave the 5K10K on the table. 1402 01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:37,640 If I, if I do want to kind of, I don't think I could run the 1500 1403 01:14:37,640 --> 01:14:41,760 in Brisbane in 2032. I'd be 35 turning 36. 1404 01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:45,600 And I mean it, it is really cool seeing kind of the lifespan of 1405 01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:48,120 the athlete. It's expanding, extending right 1406 01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:51,560 now based on like all the technology and just like the 1407 01:14:51,560 --> 01:14:53,400 research and things that we know now. 1408 01:14:53,400 --> 01:14:55,760 Like, I do think we'd have more life in our career. 1409 01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,640 But I don't know about lining up in the 1500 and 2032. 1410 01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:04,000 But dad had joked to me that if I was looking at the marathon, 1411 01:15:04,440 --> 01:15:08,480 I'd be looking for a new coach. Like he's like, I don't, he's 1412 01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:11,120 like, I don't want you hanging on for the sake of like just 1413 01:15:11,120 --> 01:15:13,880 hanging on then and trying to to go to another Olympics. 1414 01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,480 He's like, if you have the desire and you you really want 1415 01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:19,360 to do it. Like we could maybe talk about 1416 01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:23,000 it, but he's like just to run the marathon, just just to run 1417 01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:24,480 it. Like don't do that. 1418 01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:28,160 And I think now that the idea of maybe still having some track 1419 01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:33,440 legs left with the 5K and maybe beyond come 2032, if my mind is 1420 01:15:33,440 --> 01:15:37,120 still excited for things, he's like he's more open to that idea 1421 01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:41,000 than if I was like making in my debut on the roads to try and 1422 01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:45,560 run the fire front in 2032. I mean, just imagine what spikes 1423 01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:47,560 you're going to have over the next couple of years to preserve 1424 01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,000 those track legs too. So I mean, like, I think you're 1425 01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:54,440 living in the best era of track both, you know, just advances in 1426 01:15:54,440 --> 01:15:57,520 training, technology, all that kind of stuff to hopefully make 1427 01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,040 it conducive that you're still on the track come 2032. 1428 01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:03,760 But for now, definitely tons to celebrate after such a 1429 01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:08,360 successful 2024 and 2025. And we know that these, you 1430 01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,800 know, things stack up. And so excited for more success 1431 01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,880 from you in 2026 Jazz. So thanks so much for taking the 1432 01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,240 time to reflect on it with me. Thank you. 1433 01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,000 Thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. 1434 01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:20,400 I've been really enjoying this series. 1435 01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:23,520 So it's it's fun to hear from the other athletes and and how 1436 01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:26,480 they experienced Tokyo because yeah, the season kind of ends in 1437 01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:29,320 real glass separate ways. So it's really nice to to wrap 1438 01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,120 it up like this and I appreciate it. 1439 01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:35,680 Yeah, thanks, Jess. Thank you all for listening to 1440 01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:37,520 this episode. This episode was produced by 1441 01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,000 Jasmine Fair. I love doing this for you guys. 1442 01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:43,000 So please do me a favor and leave a five star view on Apple 1443 01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,120 Podcast or Spotify. That helps us grow the show and 1444 01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:47,960 get even more awesome guests. 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