1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:06,800 All right, we are joined by 2022 World Champion and now 2025 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,240 World Championship silver medalist and good friend Jake 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,120 Whiteman. Congratulations, epic race. 4 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:16,239 The Fit Men's 1500 is one of the races that everyone look looks 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,120 forward to. And you guys absolutely 6 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:22,440 delivered with just drama, the theatrics and how the whole race 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,280 played out. But like, have you found the 8 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,800 words to describe I guess from the moment and like what this 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:31,080 race means to you? Honestly, my initial feeling 10 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:33,400 straight after was that I should have won that. 11 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,440 And then I've I've seen it back since tonight. 12 00:00:35,880 --> 00:00:37,280 I did everything I possibly could have. 13 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:39,040 Like I don't think there's anything else I could have done 14 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:40,800 to improve my chance of winning that. 15 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,600 But a lot of it is like not even my own performance, but everyone 16 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:46,320 that's helped me get back to this point is that probably 17 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,080 pride with it. And it's even now like coming 18 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,360 back in here, there's people saying like they've thought 19 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,560 about it more than that. Oh, it's actually sick. 20 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,760 Like how that far I've come from the last couple of years and I 21 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,000 remember sitting with you guys in Budapest. 22 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,520 Yeah. And I didn't even haven't raced 23 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,400 since then like a championship. So yeah, it felt like a lot of a 24 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,800 lot of trauma these last couple years that has kind of been 25 00:01:06,000 --> 00:01:07,600 washed away a little bit is what I'd say. 26 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:09,040 Best therapy in it is running well. 27 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:13,400 I mean, this, the last few years been such a roller coaster for 28 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,240 you right up and downs. Has there been times where 29 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,640 you've thought about like, man, I don't know if I'm ever going 30 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,120 to make it back to the level that I was at? 31 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,200 Yeah, I think like the Paris 1 was like the most crippling 32 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:25,480 Buffala. That would be the one that 33 00:01:25,480 --> 00:01:28,400 probably could have been the nail in the coffin because I was 34 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,800 running well enough that I knew I could probably go there. 35 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,000 It was the 800 rather than the 15, so that by that point I'd 36 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,400 already lit the switch and started running 141. 37 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,320 So that was scary enough. And then, yeah, like we did the 38 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,240 opening ceremony in our little apartment, Sam Ritz. 39 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:44,280 I had all the kit and everything. 40 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:45,600 And then it was like the week before. 41 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,880 And that when I was like, this just feels like it's not meant 42 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,000 to be any more. It was like the timing of that 43 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,800 was just so bad. That was like someone out there 44 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:54,440 is telling me, yeah, like, you're done. 45 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,440 And then I felt like this year was just like a last roll of the 46 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,520 dice almost with it. And there's never been a point 47 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,600 where I felt like I'm done. But there's always been points 48 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:05,160 where I feel like this could, could be me getting close to 49 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:06,640 being done if it doesn't go well again. 50 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:08,919 And I think I said, like, at the start of the year, if I had 51 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,320 another big injury, I probably would be. 52 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,960 And then I had knee surgery and I was still carrying on after 53 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,560 that. So like, it's hard when you feel 54 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:18,120 like you have still got something to prove. 55 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,360 And there was enough, I feel like, in my training to show 56 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:24,120 that I did still have it, but my fear was just that I was putting 57 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:27,240 in all this hard work and I just would never be able to showcase 58 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,320 like how much work I had put in. And then in addition to that, I 59 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,520 guess like the the coaching switch, which like I'm sure was 60 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,560 really hard for you, I guess like when did that start to pop 61 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:38,840 into your head and what were you exactly looking for? 62 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:41,680 I guess when you decided, OK, now it's now, it's the right 63 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:44,760 time to do this. Yeah, it's, that's probably been 64 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,720 like the biggest impact for me this summer. 65 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,680 Like, in all honesty, like I, I love these champs, but I have 66 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,240 not enjoyed racing this summer. And a lot of it was like, I've 67 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:55,200 made big changes that I haven't really processed. 68 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:58,280 And having the same coach since you were like 15 years old. 69 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,960 But that coach being your dad, he's like a double whammy of 70 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,200 like you're loyal to him because you've had a coach since you 71 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:06,840 were a kid. But then also he is, yeah, he's 72 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,840 related to me. So I'm going to have an extra 73 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:13,400 lawyer on top of that. And it was like there, there was 74 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,080 just a couple points of the last few years where I felt like the 75 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,560 injuries I had maybe could have been prevented with like a bit 76 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,680 less intensity. And I, I was trying to almost 77 00:03:21,680 --> 00:03:24,320 voice my opinions on it. And then we'd argue about it and 78 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,920 it would be like just, I didn't feel like I, I was getting 79 00:03:27,920 --> 00:03:31,320 enough respect for the period I was in, in my career that I 80 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,600 could tolerate the stuff we're doing when I was mid 20s and 81 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:36,640 stuff. But now I've had the old age of 82 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:40,840 30, it feels like my body just takes a little bit, like more 83 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:42,280 adjusting. And I felt like I needed 84 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:46,000 somebody else to help with that because my dad just was still 85 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,880 trying to hit me with the same stuff I was doing before. 86 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:52,240 It's funny, I actually saw it was like a a meme somebody had 87 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,960 made on, I don't know what account it was, but it was a 88 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,760 photo of me holding a cat. And they put the words over and 89 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:01,520 it was like, oh, I'm back running now. 90 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:02,840 Hit me with the same training again. 91 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,680 Yeah. And I was like, like, I'm 92 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,920 getting ripped here for being like injured because I'm doing 93 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,840 the same things from people that I've never even met. 94 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:12,800 And I was like, the definition of insanity is doing the same 95 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,920 thing over and over again, expecting different outcome. 96 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,360 And I felt like that was the point I was hitting. 97 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,519 And yeah, it was it wasn't nice because it was like nervous 98 00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:22,320 probably felt like it should carry on because it was getting 99 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,960 to a pretty bad place. But the same time it's that 100 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,480 pretty sad end to it that it wasn't like I won Worlds and it 101 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:29,800 was like a real happy celebration. 102 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:32,440 We parted ways then it was like you part ways at like a tough 103 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:34,600 bit, which for me was when I knew my knee was bad and I 104 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,560 needed a surgery on that back in Feb. 105 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:40,240 It's it's cool to see that like Speaking of your dad, you're 106 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,120 someone like the only person in the world who can win a global 107 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:44,880 medal. And then you see your dad right 108 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:47,800 in the media zone. I thought there's a, we saw a 109 00:04:47,840 --> 00:04:50,320 Instagram clip on it. And to be able to share like 110 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,280 these moments with them and not as a coach and athletes, but 111 00:04:54,280 --> 00:04:58,120 it's probably helped because the coach athlete relationship can 112 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,760 get intense. It's probably nice and it has 113 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:03,640 helped your guys relationship as a father son to step away from 114 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:05,320 that. And it's like, okay, now we can 115 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,920 just it's father son instead of the coach athlete relationship, 116 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,080 which must be. And it's a new, it's a new thing 117 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,920 for you guys, but I'm sure it's probably good for you guys in a 118 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,480 lot of ways. It's nice that he wasn't in the 119 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:17,960 mix on her and abuse at me, right? 120 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:21,320 Like we've been in a good enough place that I think he still 121 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:22,720 supports me, which is obviously good. 122 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,000 I was with him obviously just now, like I said to you guys. 123 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,960 But yeah, it's like I don't think I realized how hard it 124 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,240 probably is for him that he was in every aspect of my training, 125 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:33,720 like with a few others help him, but then all of a sudden one day 126 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,040 just was done. Like he didn't have any input 127 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:37,520 into my training, didn't know what I was doing. 128 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,760 It's just like he hasn't been aware of, and I haven't spoken 129 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,520 to him much about training, that the one thing that carried on 130 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,960 was like, he would still give me like the same bits of like 131 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,680 advice and tips before racing. And I was like, he has seen me 132 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,920 racing. So I was like, yeah, teenager, 133 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,200 but still. I'm a skinny adult, but yeah. 134 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:56,520 He's like, look, I won't write your training, but I'm still 135 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:58,080 going to give you some advice before I. 136 00:05:58,080 --> 00:05:59,680 Write I still tell you if you ran bad as well. 137 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,120 You can't take everything. No, but it's like he could not 138 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,040 do the 1500s right that he could choose to announce because they 139 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,760 alternate events. So like he could not do it, but 140 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,400 he likes to do it and it's again like he was still part of that 141 00:06:13,840 --> 00:06:16,800 moment in our race. And yeah, I hope that our 142 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,480 relationship is survived because of it. 143 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,320 And I think I say one of us happens that I will still going 144 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,680 for Christmas. The danger was like we argue so 145 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,840 much and it would be such a comfort that it was just 146 00:06:26,840 --> 00:06:29,880 damaging that more than just for sure athlete coach ratio. 147 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,400 Like it's so tough for dynamic when you're being told by 148 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,520 somebody when you're a kid, like what to do and it's like 149 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:37,280 authoritarian. And now you're growing. 150 00:06:37,280 --> 00:06:38,880 It's like, look, I'm not 15 anymore. 151 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,120 And I'm like, I'm I'm a veteran in this game. 152 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,480 And I feel like I do want more of a voice in this. 153 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:46,600 And it's tough when it's the coach is your dad. 154 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:48,960 So there's just it's a lot going on. 155 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,760 The tough bit was it's like I did it and I was like, what am I 156 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:54,320 doing now? Then? 157 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,320 Because I didn't have, I didn't have a plan. 158 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,200 I was like, I just knew that I it wasn't working for that. 159 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,360 So then it was like a mad week where I was just like, I could 160 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,440 do anything. I'd go to any any coach in the 161 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:06,160 world here. I could I can do anything. 162 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:08,360 Yeah, I was like, maybe they wouldn't take me, but I could 163 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,680 try and ask. That was overwhelming. 164 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:13,160 I was just like, whoa, like I've, I've never ever had a 165 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,760 situation where I'm, I can choose like this. 166 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,880 But main thing for me was that I knew roughly the stuff I was 167 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:21,280 doing obviously gets me the success. 168 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:22,960 So I didn't want to change the template of it. 169 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,240 I wanted to keep as much of that as possible but just change out 170 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,520 a few of the things that were breaking me down, which is what 171 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:30,000 I feel like I have managed to do. 172 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,480 So then as training starts clicking and the season is is 173 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,040 progressing, the event itself is also like leveling up. 174 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,920 And I think one of the things that so many people gravitated 175 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,480 towards, you know, at the start of the year is when you start to 176 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,840 see 320 sevens, 320 eights people just running under three 177 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,600 30s regularly. As you're kind of working your 178 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,840 way back into fitness. What were you making of of that 179 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,480 side of this, of the event where it's like, all right, like I'm 180 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,240 coming back and now there's all these new players and I have to 181 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:03,080 be potentially faster than ever? Yeah, honestly, the the season 182 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,040 prior to these champs, I was just like, what has happened to 183 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:07,640 this event? Like I did pre and I was 184 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:11,080 battered and I was like like, can I actually like do this with 185 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:13,560 these guys anymore? Because it's like 20 year olds 186 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:16,840 like who have just grown up kind of with like a different 187 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,200 philosophy towards how to race. Whereas like I grew up in the 188 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,520 like my early 20s and when I was 20 or whatever was just like 189 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,280 52nd last lap still. So like it's just a different 190 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:27,920 era and they've they've kind of learnt to adapt with that. 191 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,040 They've had I guess like different technology and shoes 192 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:33,799 even and stuff. But yeah, it was, it's I've 193 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:36,159 always like believed that there is a massive different set of 194 00:08:36,159 --> 00:08:38,120 skills right between time trying and racing. 195 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,559 But I doubted that. When you see that the Olympic 196 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,360 final being 327, you're like, well, you have to time trial 197 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,960 these races now. So I was still getting ready for 198 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,840 that and I couldn't even tell you what shape I'm in now, but 199 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:53,920 I'd hope I'm in probably PB shape of like 328 maybe or but I 200 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:55,800 don't know. It's like all we had to run 201 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:57,840 these last few days with 330 fives and stuff. 202 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:02,120 And I just, I just felt like I was the fittest I'd possibly 203 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,280 been going in or even like a time trial. 204 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,040 But I didn't know whether that was still going to be good 205 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,800 enough because I've been so humbled that my last race before 206 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:13,040 was 9th in Brussels, where I ran like an absolute like, idiot and 207 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,920 I just got bullied around like some little boy. 208 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,320 Coming into this week, like, what did you think that these 209 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,160 races were going to going to look like? 210 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:21,960 What what? What was the kind of the game 211 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,040 plan? So I just assumed it was going 212 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:27,840 to be similar to previous champs where we would be, I don't know, 213 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,040 like a three I I if I'd have predicted it would have been 214 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:34,520 like 335 heat, 333 semi and then like a 328 final. 215 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:36,520 That's what you're kind of mentally prepping for. 216 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,440 Yeah, 'cause I just didn't think it would change as much as it 217 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,800 was and like, not that that's what I would choose is the other 218 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:41,560 thing. That I would, yeah. 219 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:43,200 I would have thought this similar similar thing. 220 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:45,920 Yeah, I just I just didn't see where it was going to be that 221 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,920 different and I didn't see the previous heats. 222 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,160 But it's like mad that it just every single one that isolated 223 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:53,360 from each other just went that way. 224 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,240 All of a sudden everyone backs their kick right. 225 00:09:56,320 --> 00:10:00,760 And yeah, the heats was like I've said it to a few people 226 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:04,680 before, but like I had so much like these negative thoughts 227 00:10:04,680 --> 00:10:07,560 coming in my head that I was like, like you've always told 228 00:10:07,560 --> 00:10:09,560 yourself like you get to a champs and you'll be all right. 229 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,400 It's like different star race. And I was like, what if I'm not 230 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,080 like what if I am bad at this still now? 231 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:16,080 And it's like, have I literally got nothing left? 232 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,880 And that would be, but if I, if I can't even go for a round, 233 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:22,240 which is what I felt like I was always good at, then am am I 234 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,200 literally done it? And I was just trying even on 235 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,760 that the bus between the Walmart track and stadium, I was like, 236 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,760 Nah, like just back that off, like ignore that. 237 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,920 And then as soon as I felt good in my heat and I didn't want to 238 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:35,840 win it, but like winning it was like, Oh yeah, I feel like that 239 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,720 was in control. And I felt like potentially 240 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,440 others weren't. So I felt a lot, lot more 241 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,800 confident from that alone. I made a few changes as well 242 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,680 from not to slag it off because it works different for different 243 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:48,560 people. But the last time I raced the 244 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:51,280 full season in 22, like bicarb wasn't a thing. 245 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:54,600 And then I came back and raced in 2024 and I felt like you had 246 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,560 to take this supplement because it was like everybody was. 247 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:01,320 So I raced all last year and this year with it, and every 248 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,920 time I came away from track and I just didn't feel right. 249 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:05,720 There was something about me just didn't feel the same. 250 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:08,880 And then Brussels was like the final straw where I just felt 251 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,440 like I just couldn't react to stuff. 252 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:12,840 And I was like, why am I still doing this? 253 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,360 It's like I've ran pretty well, like for 10 years of my career 254 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,360 without it. So then I made a decision to 255 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,680 drop that out for these champs. And then as soon as I finished 256 00:11:21,680 --> 00:11:23,440 that hit, I was like, ah, I feel I feel good. 257 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:24,880 Not that that was the only. Thing the biker. 258 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,680 The biker was ruining you. Single handed, bringing Morton 259 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:30,560 down with me, but it's just for me, for me, I felt like it. 260 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:34,480 It changed how I felt like and for rounds, especially in for 261 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:35,760 championships, I just didn't want that. 262 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:38,320 Like it's like a numbness almost where you could time trial. 263 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:41,080 I felt like a time trial great with it, but like for 264 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,360 championship racing where you need to try and move that, I 265 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:44,440 didn't. I didn't want that. 266 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,360 So it's worked out right, But I was breaking it for that. 267 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,280 I was like, imagine if that was the only thing that was keeping 268 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:53,440 me running any respectful times. Before you even got in this 269 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,440 room, I think you kind of pointed out just sort of with 270 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,560 those rounds a little bit of just like, I mean, one advantage 271 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:02,600 you had is your longevity in the sport has overlapped with back 272 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:05,480 to when it was the tactical era of races. 273 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:08,320 And so you had that muscle memory that you could revert to 274 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,120 like, did you also, I think after that first round start to 275 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:15,040 think, OK, if this is how it's going to be, then it's something 276 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,560 that you've got in your back pocket and maybe not a lot of 277 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:19,440 these people. I mean, we look at, you know, 278 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:23,480 Fenwell coach, yeah, he he fell, but haves like he's, you know, 279 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,000 someone who is time trials excellently hasn't been able to 280 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,960 put it together in the the championship. 281 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,000 So there are some of those people. 282 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,720 It's like the separation between racers and and those who can 283 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,080 just simply run fast, and you were able to just pull that 284 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:37,480 right back. Yeah, it's funny. 285 00:12:37,480 --> 00:12:43,200 It's like when we used to have funny, like wild analogy for it, 286 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,680 but like when we used to have friends like regularly being 287 00:12:46,680 --> 00:12:49,840 shown on TV back in the UK, it would show every episode each 288 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:51,280 day and it would just start again. 289 00:12:51,560 --> 00:12:53,600 And it's like, I feel like I've gone through the whole series of 290 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,200 friends that it's now just started back to 1 and it's gone 291 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:56,760 again. You're. 292 00:12:56,760 --> 00:12:58,760 On the pilot episode. Right, I know, I know it's like 293 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,880 tough because the trims are shocking and it's like the 294 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,960 camera quality is bad. But no, it's, it's funny because 295 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,480 like everyone has had to become better time trailers, but I feel 296 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,680 like some of us that have learnt how to race before that because 297 00:13:11,680 --> 00:13:15,320 of the eras, like I grew up racing like Chris O'Hare and he 298 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:17,800 meshes. And I said like a lot of it was 299 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,720 like, I can race because of him because he was so good that you 300 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,160 had to be like so crafty to be able to respond to it. 301 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,000 And I feel like the time training has been easier to 302 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,240 develop and that's been something that's always been 303 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:29,880 there. But you don't necessarily need 304 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:33,560 to show it because if it's a 320 by 8 or 9 race, it's like you 305 00:13:33,560 --> 00:13:36,080 don't need to have these like gears and stuff. 306 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:39,280 And I'd say for the Americans as well, that NCAA probably still 307 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,520 preps you for that perhaps to have those change of paces and 308 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,920 that acceleration. And a lot of it for me is that 309 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,400 my 8 stuff is still as good as I think it has been. 310 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,280 And I think you got to have like AUSB, right? 311 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,520 And that I have to keep that as mine because I'm still probably 312 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,720 never going to be able to outrun someone the way that Habs would 313 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:58,760 at the front of the field. And that was the big thing that 314 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:03,280 you take that fun role correction Habs, and you put 315 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,200 them in that final and it'd be a different race completely. 316 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:07,480 But you've got to have the gears to go for the rounds. 317 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,640 So you have to be like so, so versatile in this event now. 318 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,680 It's crazy. How much of A wild card was 319 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:15,120 Jacob coming into this whole thing? 320 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,880 Like from from your vantage point, like his, if you threw 321 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,600 it, it was very clear, I guess very quickly that it's like he 322 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,600 wasn't, he wasn't right. Yeah, to fair I I still thought 323 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,720 he was there and was going to come through and I haven't seen 324 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,600 it back. Like I don't know many people 325 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:32,280 that could go 1400 meters of that race. 326 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:36,920 It's still look like. They could look like, but yeah, 327 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,080 it's crazy because anybody else that you say, oh, they're 328 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:40,760 opening up at world, she'd be like cooked. 329 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,720 Yeah, yeah. Somebody said when it's back up, 330 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,960 you're like, oh, he's ready. He's ready with like all the you 331 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:50,840 know, you we're talking, we were talking about Jakob and you're 332 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:53,240 seeing like Jakob didn't make it through the first round. 333 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,320 Then Cole Hawkers, DQ D and then like all these things, you know, 334 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:01,280 coax, like all these, these guys would be like considered some 335 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,400 some of the favourites to be on that podium and you see them not 336 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:07,960 make it through the final. Does that momentum kind of for 337 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,280 you start building and and in your head and you're like, man, 338 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:13,880 like things are starting to open up. 339 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,160 Like I, I all of a sudden, what was kind of your mindset going 340 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:18,840 into the final? How did you think the final was 341 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,280 going to play out? And did you Obviously we saw 342 00:15:21,320 --> 00:15:26,320 like Josh Kerr, he he's a guy that you they would consider one 343 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,960 of the favorites. And when you saw him not pull up 344 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:32,320 on your shoulder, not kind of dictating the pace, was that 345 00:15:32,320 --> 00:15:35,440 surprising? Yeah, I think John's crazy. 346 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:38,240 If you look at that final on paper, you'd say, oh, there must 347 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,440 have been so many people injured and not there, but it's like 348 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:42,760 everyone's there. But for whatever reason, they 349 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,480 didn't get to that final. So that was just the the people 350 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:48,360 that like ran their best races and made it through. 351 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,680 And I just couldn't see how it was going to go sub 3:30 because 352 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,880 like, no one's done anything around to show that they won a 353 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,360 front run here. And it's like Cherry maybe a few 354 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,080 years ago would have been that guy, but yeah, he's not going to 355 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,440 do that. And I was like, I was prepared 356 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:05,480 for Josh probably to go from somewhere further out that I 357 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,960 thought that was what he's going to do because it becomes too 358 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,440 dangerous. But my plan was always if it 359 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,920 didn't go like that was always going to be, you've seen how 360 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:14,840 quick Laros finishes the home straight. 361 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,640 So it's like you can't let him be there, like feeling like that 362 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,560 in the home straight. And then the other thing is like 363 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,080 someone like Josh is like, I've raced him so many times to know 364 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,600 that you've got to get past Josh at some point because. 365 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,400 And he's tough, so strong. Yeah, yeah. 366 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,000 So I was prepared to do what I did was what I was going to do 367 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,840 whether Josh was there or not. And yeah, like the race would 368 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:36,600 have changed if he'd have been there. 369 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:38,720 And like, I think we probably, we could have got two of us on 370 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:40,040 that podium. We're like, I'm sure we would 371 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,920 like two of us on that podium if that had been the case. 372 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:47,320 But yeah, it was like for me, everything, everything through 373 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:51,000 those rounds showed me that I felt like I had what I needed to 374 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:53,720 go and do it. And like, all I wanted to do was 375 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:55,640 give it a go. Like that's the only thing I I 376 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:56,760 think about doing when I'm racing. 377 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:59,160 It's like, ah, right. If I have the opportunity to win 378 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,200 it, and I'm not absolutely gas that I will, I will try and win 379 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:05,880 a race every single time. So yeah, it's mad because like, 380 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:08,560 we spoke about it in here before, not in this little 381 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,880 closet, New Balance here. And it was like, I did like 382 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,800 exactly what I wanted to do, which is why like, I can't, I 383 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,560 can't complain about the outcome. 384 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,960 Was there a big screen? Like were you able to see 385 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,880 yourself while you're racing? Like was there a Jumbotron that 386 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:25,240 was showing? Yeah. 387 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:27,839 Yeah. So in that home straight, 'cause 388 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:29,840 you do like people are like, oh, you shouldn't be looking at 389 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:32,240 that, 'cause it's a distraction, but you wanna know if people 390 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:34,360 come in like it helps to know. So absolutely, Yeah. 391 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,000 I. Hate it was like on it, wasn't 392 00:17:36,000 --> 00:17:37,360 on it. It's not like watching the high 393 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:40,120 jumpers. They'd be like, ohh, like nearly 394 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,800 we were creased. It actually just funny as one of 395 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,640 our shot putters, Scott Lincoln, like we're saying, it's funny 396 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,880 how the field events have their personal coaches like and they 397 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:51,160 can go and talk to them straight away. 398 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:52,960 And I was like, we can't have that. 399 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,280 And I was like the closest I could get. 400 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:57,000 It's like, I get you Scott, when you're on the circle and we're 401 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,680 running around past little notes or like shout something. 402 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:01,360 I was like, that's the only way we could get it. 403 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,320 And he was just like, Oh yeah, well, like my advice, just be 404 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,320 like move your legs quicker and like stride out a bit longer. 405 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:11,080 So cheers. But no, it's, it's funny because 406 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,840 like I, I was aware at the end of the race that like he was 407 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,520 coming. But by that point it's that I, I 408 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:17,920 was like fully. Committed. 409 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,320 Yeah. You weren't saving for saving 410 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:19,920 something. No. 411 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,320 And it's like I'm not normally great at like dipping on the 412 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,720 line and stuff. And I even tried my best to give 413 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:26,520 as good a go as that. And I look at it and I've seen 414 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:28,480 it back. I'm like, like, what could I 415 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,560 have done to improve those two hundreds and genuinely like if 416 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:35,280 I'd have started my kick later, like I might not have even got a 417 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,600 medal because somebody else could have felt better and like 418 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:40,360 come past me because the rest of them weren't far behind. 419 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:44,400 So I'm proud of like putting out the performance that like the 420 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,440 best possible performance I could have on that day. 421 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,360 And you've got a guy that close to like 12 low or something in 422 00:18:49,360 --> 00:18:51,880 the last 100 that just came past everybody. 423 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,880 So it's the way it is, absolutely. 424 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:57,120 It can it can get loud in there. And then just especially I guess 425 00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:59,400 like at the Paris Olympics, the way those guys describe it is 426 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:02,320 like they could feel the noise like in their body in that final 427 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:03,800 stretch. This time around, I guess like, 428 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:07,560 did you could you hear, I guess like your dad on like announcing 429 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,480 the race or not really like to take any cue, you know, in the 430 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:11,680 final? Stretch yeah, Nah, cause like a 431 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:14,920 lot of it is like by that point, you're so committed to like when 432 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,240 when I run like that, it's like you're just like, you're 433 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:19,960 committing to that like strategy, right. 434 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,720 So it's like, I'm not, I haven't got another gear to go like I'm 435 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:23,920 on. I'm on my Top Gear and you're 436 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:25,280 just holding that for as long as you can. 437 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,840 The thing I did hear was Josh having a problem. 438 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,880 Like I heard that because the noise wasn't so much. 439 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,120 So I did like register that that had happened, but didn't pay too 440 00:19:33,120 --> 00:19:36,520 much attention to it. And yeah, it's like, it's cool 441 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,200 when the noise builds, but when you're leading the noise build, 442 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,040 that's not a good sign because that means somebody's about to 443 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:43,520 come. Yeah, it's good if you're the 444 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,960 one coming for somebody else and you're the hunter, but it's 445 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,560 just, yeah, it's not I I, I tried to win the race, right. 446 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,080 And it's like I got very, very close. 447 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,280 Yeah, I guess I want to go into what you wrote in this. 448 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,520 Is this your journal or something that you posted up? 449 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,200 On on Instagram. Because it was super 450 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:06,880 interesting, because it, it, it's a peek into your mind. 451 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,640 Is this in the morning? Oh, this is the night before the 452 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:09,320 night. Before, yeah. 453 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,680 All right, so it's tomorrow's the World Championship final. 454 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:14,240 I've come a long way and done so well to even get this far. 455 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,920 All I have to do tomorrow is be the best version of myself. 456 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:20,280 Stay calm and calculated. Your handwriting is. 457 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:22,960 I'm just terrible. Get in the right position early, 458 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,640 don't waste energy at the wrong point when I make my move, do it 459 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,400 with confidence, run with freedom and enjoyment. 460 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:30,640 Enjoy the process, enjoy being on the start line. 461 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:32,160 There is no expectation or pressure. 462 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,160 And so you know, when you got that on paper, I guess was it 463 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,360 just sort of like all right? That's like a sigh of relief. 464 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,920 Like it's, it's, it's going to be what it's going to be. 465 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,960 Yeah, it's just I, I never used to do that. 466 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,200 And it was only this year. I honestly, I've had a lot more 467 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,920 like anxiety towards racing because like every time you have 468 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,840 a season where you don't race that much, you don't go to a 469 00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,520 Champs, you're like, ah, well, next year will be fine. 470 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:55,200 And you forget. It's like, I haven't done this 471 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:56,880 for so long. It's three years since I last 472 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,080 went to a champs. And it was like, it's funny 473 00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,680 because our physio said, ah, like before I went out to find 474 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,640 it was like, oh, you've you're on a bit of a streak here of 475 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,600 your championships. Like you got medals at the last 476 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,120 three. And I was like, back in 2022, 477 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:10,960 though. And then after just like, yeah, 478 00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:12,040 you've carried a streak on though. 479 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:13,920 So the big gap. But a lot of it is just 480 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,320 reminding myself that like, like, I can do it. 481 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,480 Like, it's like I have got everything I need. 482 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,160 And then the only thing I need to do is just make sure that I 483 00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:24,680 don't let anything get in the way of that. 484 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,880 So I just try and keep myself as calm and relax. 485 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,760 And I feel like writing something like that down just 486 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,120 reassures me that like, you will be fine. 487 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,720 And that's all you end up doing on race stairs. 488 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,600 Like everyone has these like point to that self doubt and 489 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,760 like negative thoughts come in. All you have to do is just try 490 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,440 and reassure yourself. Like Nah, like I'm better than 491 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,280 that, that I've, I've got all these things that can go my way 492 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:47,600 and I'll do everything I can to like just make good decisions. 493 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,280 That's all it comes down to. I mean, to play off that a bit, 494 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,960 what is it about championship racing that you you always rise 495 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,000 to the occasion when, when, when the moment comes? 496 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:00,240 What is it about that that you feel like you just thrive in 497 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,480 this environment? It's just like you don't even 498 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,240 think like I don't know how it was for you when you were like 499 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,280 racing and stuff, but you go on an autopilot and it's like I 500 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,760 feel like if I'm ever conscious during a race, I'm running bad 501 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,400 and it's like I'm not really that fair. 502 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,160 I'm not ready to race because I'm just so aware of stuff. 503 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,720 But when you're fit in the championship, you almost just 504 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:20,200 like glide through like decisions. 505 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,480 So I don't know, you have like, it's not like it's like messy 506 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,560 scanning on a football pitch, but I feel like I'm aware of 507 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:29,720 like even like who it is that's like around me and stuff that I 508 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,480 find without even thinking. You just move out of these bad 509 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,280 spots and move back into a good spot. 510 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,600 And I don't know, I, I always say in my interviews, it's like 511 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,720 I've had some stinkers when I was younger in championships 512 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,720 where I've just like got boxed in and I over committed too 513 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,640 much. And like even in my semi final, 514 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:49,000 I like made quite a big move at like 4:50 to go to get in a good 515 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,280 spot. And then I was like, Oh, I'm not 516 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,160 doing that in the final. Like that wasn't a good thing to 517 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,120 do. So it's just trying to minimise 518 00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:57,840 the chance of making a mistake. And like, that's why I try and 519 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,400 keep my head calm because like if you have too much stress or 520 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,560 emotion inside of you, you're like, you're going to make bad 521 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,000 decisions. So if I'm relaxed and calm, it's 522 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:09,520 like I just feel as I will always be able to get the most 523 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,720 out of myself and whether physically that's good enough or 524 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:13,960 not, that's that's the only thing that I need to leave to 525 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,040 test. So having that awareness of like 526 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,760 the guys who are around you right at the finish line as as 527 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:22,080 things you know, take place, Were you, I guess a little 528 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,120 surprised that it wasn't an orange kit and it was Laura's 529 00:23:25,120 --> 00:23:28,800 next to you And instead it was Isaac Nader to like so many 530 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,880 people who came as as a shock, odds makers, all that kind of 531 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,680 stuff would look at it. It's like no one really saw this 532 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,560 one coming. But I feel like for you being in 533 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,920 in Europe, you've probably seen him race a bunch of times. 534 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,320 Like was there a degree that you also thought like he probably 535 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,080 was a a bit overlooked getting heading into that final? 536 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:49,320 Yeah, he's one of the ones that bullied me in Brussels, to be 537 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,200 fair. So I was like, because you know, 538 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,200 I just got pushed about by him and he's like, it's not not my 539 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,800 height or anything like that. And I was just like, I think 540 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:02,360 people probably didn't pay attention to a 329 and a 143 541 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,040 combo. Like that's like lethal, isn't 542 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:06,080 it? It's like he can go with a 543 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,440 strength race and he can go with a quick race. 544 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,800 And again, it's like I'd hoped that I could have taken the 545 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:14,680 sting out of him, but he changed pace so well in that home 546 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,080 straight. And that's that's why I look at 547 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,360 that race. It's like he won that race, 548 00:24:18,360 --> 00:24:19,920 right? It's like I didn't, I didn't tie 549 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,160 up so bad that I got caught because I got it wrong. 550 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:26,040 Like he ran so well that he came past me and got it right for 551 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,920 what he needed to do. But yeah, it's it's crazy that 552 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:30,920 you always just don't want to be the favorite, right? 553 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,320 It's like, I think it's like Curse of the 1500 meter 554 00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:35,040 favourites. It's like everyone who's ever 555 00:24:35,360 --> 00:24:37,760 got this target feels like there's just something bad is 556 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:41,400 going to happen to you. Did you feel that like after you 557 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,200 won that title, was it, did you feel lots of pressure that all 558 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,520 of a sudden now I'm a world champion and I want to like, 559 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,720 live up to this expectation that it feels like people have placed 560 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:51,520 on me. Couldn't. 561 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,240 I hide it nine days later at Commonwealth Games and I was 562 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:56,440 like, this is horrible. Yeah, it's because it's just. 563 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:58,360 Because now, now you are the world champ. 564 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,960 And so it's it's like, yeah, it's it's easier to come into a 565 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,600 race when you're not the favorite. 566 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,800 But now that you're the world champ, you're never not going to 567 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,760 be. No, and the the only emotion you 568 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,280 can feel is relief because it's like you expect to do that and 569 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,080 then you. Never feel like joy, right? 570 00:25:14,120 --> 00:25:16,360 You used to feel real. Isn't it you're like, you've 571 00:25:16,360 --> 00:25:18,040 done this, you do this amazing thing. 572 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,600 So thank God that's over, isn't it? 573 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,920 It's it's cruel like that, but I remember with commies just 574 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:27,360 thinking like all these guys I'm running against have got 575 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:31,040 probably the same hunger that I had like 10 days ago, whatever. 576 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,480 But now like, I haven't got that because I've achieved this big 577 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,320 goal. And then in 2023 I was like, 578 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,280 this is going to be, it'll be stressful, but I felt like it 579 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,040 was like going to be a test because you want to be in that 580 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,840 situation, right? It's that Billie Jean King 581 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,160 thing. Like pressure's a. 582 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,400 Privilege. It's like it's a good thing to 583 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,320 happen. And I think that's probably what 584 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,760 helped me a lot of these champs is like, I tried to tell myself 585 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,360 that like no one, no one cared about me before these champs. 586 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,560 And I was like, that is a great situation to be in. 587 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,480 It's like whether there's somebody there maybe like could 588 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,600 say that they did, but I don't believe people were looking at 589 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,000 me at all. I didn't do anything that that 590 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,520 deserved it. And then it was only through the 591 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,040 rounds that I felt like people maybe were like, oh, maybe he's. 592 00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:13,080 Running Yeah, you win that round and all of a sudden you're like 593 00:26:13,120 --> 00:26:14,920 that looks like the Jake you. Almost don't want to win it 594 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,280 though, because you don't want people to know that. 595 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,840 And I'm glad I deleted social media throughout these champs. 596 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,840 I'm kind of glad because it would be like if if I saw like 597 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,120 the predictions and stuff like that. 598 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:27,200 You end up being a have a little look, see that in for my corner 599 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:27,880 and stuff. But. 600 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,720 The well, it's, it's tough to compare medals, right? 601 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:37,920 But how would you say, given all you've been through, how, what 602 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,720 does this stack up to to that gold that you that you 603 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,560 originally won? Yeah, I, I think if I'd have won 604 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,040 that, that if this would hands down be like what? 605 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,880 That that'd have been like way, way better than Eugene. 606 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,600 And I think I still have to like look back on this and think 607 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,680 about it. You get so greedy, man, so 608 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:55,400 greedy. It's like. 609 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,840 I mean to think like, think about where you were and almost 610 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,000 now you're disappointed that you didn't win. 611 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:05,480 I can't be. I'm actually not disappointed. 612 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,880 I just think it was like it was so close so that I can't stop 613 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,160 getting out of my head like, oh, like what? 614 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,640 What should I done? But the more I think about, the 615 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,000 more I speak to people, like people are just that proud of 616 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,280 me, which is. I mean, it really feels like 617 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,880 like a win. Yeah, honestly, like I'm not 618 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,360 emotional at all, but like, I like, oh, it's pathetic. 619 00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,080 I had a little sob for myself just on my own in bed. 620 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,320 But that night after because I was like, Christ, man, like as 621 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,840 if I've managed to get back to this point. 622 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,360 I was like. And it was also like, like you 623 00:27:34,360 --> 00:27:36,200 do it for other people as well, right. 624 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,840 And I felt like I'd made so many people like, enjoy watching it 625 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,720 and like people were like, oh, like saying all these nice 626 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:43,800 things. And I was like, Christ, like 627 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:45,600 this is like a bit overwhelming and stuff. 628 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,760 So yeah, like it's worth like more than a gold almost to me 629 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,560 because it's given me like a career again and it's given me 630 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,920 like hopefully what I didn't have after Budapest, which is 631 00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,160 like, or after Eugene into Budapest is like the momentum to 632 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,840 then carry on at this level. So yeah, there's a lot of 633 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:04,800 things. There's a lot of things. 634 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,400 It's like, I don't think I'll realize until probably I go back 635 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,480 home and I'll see people and they'll all be like reminding 636 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:14,080 me. And we saw, I think I came back 637 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,720 to the hotel the morning after and I saw Lawrence Queers, one 638 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,120 of our like discus throwers and he was like, well done and 639 00:28:22,120 --> 00:28:25,640 stuff. And I said like so close to 640 00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:26,800 winning. And he was like, don't ever say 641 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,920 that again. He was like, that isn't that 642 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,840 isn't what I had for this is like to celebrate this. 643 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,760 It's like not it's not about like not winning gold. 644 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:34,480 It's about winning the silver medal in it. 645 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,960 So I want to hear about karaoke because it's on the front page 646 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:43,480 of the BBC right now, like on on the web page, the celebration 647 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,760 carried over into karaoke. What was that experience like 648 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,320 here in Japan, where it's huge? Yeah, it's unreal. 649 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,560 So one of my good mates from uni moved here for work like four 650 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,240 months ago and he was like leading us all to these. 651 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,800 But we tried to find Wednesday night in Tokyo not it's not the 652 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,400 one for a night out. Tough to find places and like 653 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:06,240 typical like karaoke areas, obviously like another level. 654 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,960 And then we went in and it was like not just four, it was like 655 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:14,000 4 microphones, a base, like an electric guitar, a keyboard and 656 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,520 drums and a few tambourines. And then it was like, luckily 657 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:19,520 for us, Jack, one of the newborns guys here can play the 658 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,200 drums. So every single song had like a 659 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,840 little like back in track of drums. 660 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:27,200 But yeah, it was, it was unreal. It was like, I think about 12 of 661 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,440 us. That's what's so good about 662 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,760 these guys here is like, we came back here 1st and they are like 663 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,800 pumped for you. And then everybody was willing 664 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,840 to stay out until 5:00 AM, But yeah, it was like, I think I got 665 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,200 an hour's sleep or something like that. 666 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,600 And even last night I got like 3 hours. 667 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,920 I still feel like it's like wired from it all. 668 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:44,760 But now it's a good way to celebrate. 669 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,400 What was the song choice? Multiple songs? 670 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,400 Probably, yeah. That was the irony was like the 671 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:54,520 first one, Steve put it on and it was like gold by Spander 672 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,240 Ballet. And I was like, like now they 673 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,320 should be singing this next door and not me, shouldn't it? 674 00:29:58,680 --> 00:29:59,880 Would it? But yeah, it was. 675 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:02,680 Yeah, it was sick. It's those the ones where like, 676 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,320 if you didn't go hard and do that, you'd regret that, right? 677 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,960 It's like you need to celebrate these, these wins, little wins. 678 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:12,000 Does this kind of are you super? Does this put like some real 679 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,240 fire back in you where you're like, I'm now back to where I 680 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,200 it's like when you're telling me you're sitting here having a 681 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:23,840 little sob to yourself because I'm sure there there's points 682 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:27,200 where you're down bad and you're like, I'm never gonna get get 683 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,360 back. And then all of a sudden, in 684 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:33,120 one, one race, you're validated and like I am the person I truly 685 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,080 believed I always could be, even at my lowest. 686 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,320 Are you now taking that forward? And you're like, I, I'm hungry. 687 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:41,160 I want to get that gold again at some point. 688 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,200 I want to do all these things that I thought might at some 689 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:46,880 point be off the table. Yeah, there's not that many 690 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,960 people probably have seen behind the closed doors that the person 691 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,440 that I was joking with him because like the person seen it 692 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:54,960 all is a British reflex doctor because he's had to book in 693 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,760 every scan and like help with like every like bit of my 694 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:01,880 injuries. So I said to him after a semi 695 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,040 final when he said that well done, I was like, oh, I'll make 696 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,680 those medical bills worthwhile doc, but I almost have to 697 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,080 because they've put so much money into getting me that 698 00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,240 healthy. But yeah, it's been honestly 699 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,600 like I only think back about now because you move so quick in a 700 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,960 sport that as soon as you like are done with an injury, you 701 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,240 forget about it. But like these were like bad 702 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,040 injuries I was getting. It was like 8 week injuries and 703 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:25,520 then I was like building back a rehab like for a couple months 704 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,760 every single time. And it's not like it was one 705 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:28,880 problem that just kept coming back. 706 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,360 I was getting like every flipping body part was like 707 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,640 getting something else. And yeah, the word, I think you 708 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,520 said it, Eric, when you're asking a question was like, it's 709 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:37,720 validating. That's the thing. 710 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,960 It's like just reconfirm what I've always believed. 711 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,920 And I know people from the outside might have looked at it 712 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,400 and been like, ah, like he has done and stuff. 713 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,400 And it's like, I never believed that was done. 714 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,560 And I just feared that I would never be able to prove that. 715 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:53,840 So that's the thing I'm really taking away from it. 716 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,320 It's like it's just proof that it was worthwhile giving it a 717 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,520 go. And like, it's been grim for 718 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,400 like, so my fiance, Georgie and stuff like that, like she's had 719 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,040 to deal with like the loads of it as much as anybody. 720 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:07,120 And there's still like stuff that probably isn't right. 721 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,160 Like it's messed with my head more than I thought. 722 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,960 Like it's, I get like literally the tiniest little niggle and 723 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,280 I'm like, oh, I'm done. This is season's over again. 724 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,480 And it's like, I need to like reprogram my brain to like. 725 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,760 Trust your body. Trust your body again because 726 00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,520 it's like my. Body's in a real good place. 727 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,280 I actually I had to see the dock after I raced because I landed 728 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:27,640 on my knee and I was like, oh, my knee's gone. 729 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,320 I'm getting here. And it's like even when I'm not 730 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:30,840 racing, it's something feels like it's going. 731 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:35,240 But yeah, it's like reprogramming to still be the 732 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:39,040 athlete that I was before and not just this like fragile, like 733 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,120 damaged athlete that I have probably been in the last couple 734 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,360 of years. Well, Jake, we're so excited 735 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,400 because, you know, this is obviously giving you like an 736 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,240 extension to more years of, of, you know, time on the track and 737 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,720 more performances like this. And so once again, 738 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,400 congratulations, epic, epic race. 739 00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,880 And we're looking forward to seeing just more in the in the 740 00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,120 coming years. Thank you guys. 741 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,200 Nice to be here with you again.