1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:05,000 This episode of the City Smack podcast is presented by USA 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:07,720 Track and Field. All right, if you love speed, 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,360 power, and championship moments, lock in right now. 4 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:14,800 The USATF Indoor Track and Field Championships presented by 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,920 Prevagen are back in New York City from February 28th through 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,280 March 1st at the Ocean Breeze Athletic Complex in Staten 7 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,480 Island. This is where legends don't just 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:27,760 race, they punch their ticket to the world stage. 9 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,560 The pressure is real, the margins are razor thin, and 10 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,800 every athlete is fighting for one thing, a spot on Team USATF 11 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,120 at the World Indoor Championships. 12 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:39,240 The star power? 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You are listening to the CDs Mag 24 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,640 podcast. I'm your host Chris Chavez, and 25 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,000 every week we go beyond the results to bring you 26 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,960 conversations with the biggest names on the track, the roads, 27 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:27,800 and behind the scenes, from world class athletes and coaches 28 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,360 to innovators shaping the sport. If it's happening on the track, 29 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,280 we're covering it with real insights that sharpen minds, 30 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:37,800 deep dives into the moments that define careers and the kind of 31 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,800 access to the pros you won't get anywhere else. 32 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,400 So let's get into it because we love track and field. 33 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,200 Before we get into today's episode, I just wanted to say 34 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,440 thank you. 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It's Team New Balance Week on 59 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:08,680 the CDs Mag podcast, and we'll be bringing you interviews with 60 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:11,600 many of their latest signees all throughout the week. 61 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,800 In 2026, we're celebrating 6 years of New Balance partnering 62 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,120 with Sidious, and we're grateful for their support on all levels, 63 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,200 from the high school to the pros. 64 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,840 In the span of just nine days, Rocheen put together a short yet 65 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,760 impactful indoor season. She opened up her professional 66 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:30,640 career by running 159.59 as a New Balance Indoor Grand Prix, 67 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:35,280 looking smooth and convincing. 6 days later, after deciding 68 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,800 almost on a whim to race again, she went to Boston University 69 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:43,400 and ran 157.97, becoming the first American woman to break 70 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:48,000 158 indoors and setting a new American record in the 800 71 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,320 meters. That's also a personal best for 72 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,280 her, indoors or outdoors. And she wasn't done yet. 73 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,200 Just two days after that record, Rosheen lined up at the Mill 74 00:03:57,200 --> 00:04:01,840 Rose Games and won the 600 meters in 124.87, the 7th 75 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,160 fastest performance by an American woman in history. 76 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:08,680 Three races in nine days, 2 victories, 1 American record, 77 00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,320 and proof that she's in absolutely phenomenal shape. 78 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,959 Now, despite our public pleas for her to go out and crush it 79 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:20,040 at US indoors or the World Indoor Championships, Rosheen 80 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,880 has made the decision to shut down her indoor season. 81 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:27,520 And the reason for it is she's just got a long term vision and 82 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,920 real life, which you get the sense from my conversation with 83 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,840 her, she wants to be at a world class level, come outdoors, and 84 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:36,240 that means getting back to training. 85 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:40,600 And as she puts it plainly, she also needs to finish school at 86 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:42,520 Stanford this spring. You'll hear more about the 87 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,800 importance of finishing her degree in our chat because at 88 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,600 just 21 years old, Rosheen has already lived multiple chapters 89 00:04:49,800 --> 00:04:51,920 in this sport. She was a high school prodigy 90 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:56,120 out of Wisconsin, became an NCA champion as a freshman, went 91 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,880 through a difficult period marked by anxiety and burnout, 92 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:01,680 and has now come out on the other side with a healthier 93 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,200 perspective. This recent run isn't just about 94 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,880 how fast she's gotten, but also shows how much she's grown as a 95 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:09,760 person. In this interview, we talked 96 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:12,600 about the decision to chase times this year, how she made it 97 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,760 through that rough patch, and why she decided to turn 98 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,880 professional early. So without further ado, here is 99 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:32,840 Rochine Willis. All right now I welcome on the 100 00:05:32,840 --> 00:05:37,800 reigning US 800 meter outdoor champion Roshan Willis, who is 101 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:43,560 now also a professional runner for Team New Balance and still 102 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,840 taking classes at this point right now, I guess it's funny, 103 00:05:46,840 --> 00:05:48,480 we were talking before we started recording. 104 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:52,720 You are still on the East Coast after racing at the New Balance 105 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,200 Indoor Grand Prix. Just working remotely, I guess 106 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,360 and, and taking your classes and then you'll, you know, race at 107 00:05:58,360 --> 00:05:59,720 BU and then at Millrose this week. 108 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,800 But is it, what's it like? I guess at this point just sort 109 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:06,040 of balancing school and at the same time you've already got 110 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:08,800 your other job lined up for once you're done. 111 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,160 Yeah, it's kind of this weird in between, like I was kind of 112 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:14,760 trying to figure out like what I am because I'm a professional 113 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,520 athlete, but like I'm also a student, so like a professional 114 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:23,200 student athlete sort of. But yeah, it's been fun. 115 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:27,400 Like it's kind of fun to be at this meet and just kind of walk 116 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,040 through kind of the pro process. It feels kind of real. 117 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,960 Now, obviously I've done like, you know, US champs and you wear 118 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,760 the jersey, but you're so kind of in this NIL position. 119 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,720 But to kind of be here this week, I'm still trying to figure 120 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,240 out what it means to be a professional. 121 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,360 But it's nice to have a little school work to distract you here 122 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,320 and there. Keep things light. 123 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:49,680 To me, it doesn't feel like it's been 4 years since, you know, we 124 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,440 were interviewing you at New Balance Nationals in the first 125 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:53,840 year. I think that, you know, I went 126 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:57,080 all in on Sidious. I guess like that's was your 127 00:06:57,080 --> 00:06:58,760 senior year of high school, did it? 128 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:00,800 Does it feel like time also flew by for you? 129 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,640 I mean, just even being back here, like last time I did like 130 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,680 meets like Melrose and kind of these fun grand pre type meets 131 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,800 was high school. And it doesn't even really feel 132 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:14,240 like it's been that long. But also at the same time, I 133 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:19,320 feel like I've changed a lot and grown a lot and I feel in just a 134 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,360 much better, you know, space than I was. 135 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,320 And, you know, I think the collegiate system really gave me 136 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:27,440 a chance to kind of grow up and mature. 137 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:30,680 So it is kind of weird coming back to some of those old 138 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:32,480 places. But, you know, as a 139 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,360 professional, you know, kind of advancing through those leagues, 140 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,320 it's, it's a weird feeling. When we had you at New Balance 141 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:43,960 Nationals, we sat you down next to, I think it was Corey McGee 142 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:48,400 and Emma Coburn. And those were the New Balance 143 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,600 pros, you know, at the time. Emma still Emma and Corey still, 144 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,000 you know, supported by the brand. 145 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,720 But has it been just sort of on your mind? 146 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:58,560 It's like down the road someday, professional runner. 147 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,680 That's that's what I want to do. Yeah, I think in high school I 148 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:06,640 thought about it a lot, but honestly, like as I went through 149 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:09,680 the collegiate system, I think I thought about it less and less, 150 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,080 which is weird because you're getting closer to it. 151 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:15,920 And even last year, like I went into the intentions of the 152 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,640 season just to be a a solid collegiate athlete. 153 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:25,400 Like I didn't really think of myself that highly and like I 154 00:08:25,400 --> 00:08:27,880 really like kind of lost a lot of confidence, confidence in 155 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:32,640 like who I was as a runner and then to kind of but I feel like 156 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:34,919 that season really transformed me in a way. 157 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,679 But I think kind of taking the pressure off of I need to GoPro 158 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,039 or I need to be at this level. I'm just trying to, you know, be 159 00:08:42,039 --> 00:08:46,440 myself and improve. And then this opportunity just 160 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,320 came and it, it felt right. And New Balance is a company 161 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,320 that I love. And obviously I've looked up to 162 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,360 a lot of those women growing up. The New Balance women have kind 163 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,920 of been some of my favorites through high school and college. 164 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:03,440 So to now be in like their position is just wild. 165 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:06,120 Yeah. So when someone asks, you know, 166 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,080 what was the reason behind turning pro early, I guess 167 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,280 what's sort of what's been sort of like your your response? 168 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,120 A lot of people have had questions and I guess one thing 169 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:19,560 I want to clear out too is like I am getting my degree still. 170 00:09:19,560 --> 00:09:22,080 I think people see the separation to Stanford as I'm 171 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,840 not getting my degree, but that is obviously super important to 172 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,320 me. So I had the opportunity to, you 173 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:33,120 know, get that degree and finish out my education and kind of 174 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,040 start a more professional career, which was appealing. 175 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,480 But I also kind of just reflecting on last season and a 176 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,360 lot of the growth I had and a lot of the joy I had in the 177 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:47,400 sport, I just realized, you know, I really would like to 178 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:51,000 make a run for this and do it well and do it properly. 179 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:55,440 And I'm extremely fortunate to have like a company that is 180 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:58,600 really there to support what I want to do. 181 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,080 And I kind of realized, you know, like, I think people think 182 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,800 about long careers and things like that, but at the end of the 183 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,200 day, everyone only has an X amount of years in track and 184 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,600 field. And I have no idea what those 185 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,000 amount of years will be for me, but I'd like to make the most of 186 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:16,800 them while I have them. And I felt like, you know, even 187 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,240 though it's an off year, no championship, it's actually a 188 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,240 really good time to make a transition. 189 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:24,240 Just kind of looking at a lot of my training. 190 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:26,920 I do need to get better. And I have a lot more fitness 191 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:31,280 that needs to improve if I want to, you know, get to the next 192 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:33,240 level. I think if you look at the 800 193 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:37,640 meters, you should be terrified because it is a really, I mean, 194 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,160 I thought I understood the event. 195 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,400 And then they ran a 154 and a championship final, which is 196 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:45,160 absolutely nuts. And a lot of those women are 197 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,520 young. And I think the US women have a 198 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,280 lot on their plate and the Internet national women have 199 00:10:53,800 --> 00:10:56,520 have got it going on and they're organized and they're fit and 200 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:59,600 they're training hard. And just kind of looking at that 201 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,480 and looking at the next couple years, what is it's going to 202 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:05,880 take? I think I was ready to make that 203 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,360 transition into something more. So that's kind of, that's a lot 204 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:14,880 of different reasons, but that's kind of, you know, I was looking 205 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,000 at all those things, but also it just felt right. 206 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:21,320 And I saw that door open, and I really desperately wanted to 207 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,920 take it and just walk through it, but I wasn't sure if it was 208 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,240 right. But sometimes you just know deep 209 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,800 down in your gut that this is something you should do and you 210 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,680 take the risk. And I think since making that 211 00:11:32,680 --> 00:11:36,280 decision, it has felt right. And it's felt, you know, true to 212 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,440 what I want to do and where my goals are. 213 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:43,200 And I think a lot of people that know me understand that decision 214 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,000 and understand that kind of aligns with where I'm at right 215 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:47,640 now. So, you know, couldn't be 216 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:50,360 happier. Yeah, no, it's, it's very clear 217 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:54,440 that you've given this so much deep thought and, you know, have 218 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,920 kind of weighed every, you know, side of things with the bringing 219 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,880 up the degree, I guess like what are you studying right now and 220 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,120 like what's got you excited about seeing it through all the 221 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,320 all the way to the end? Yeah, I'm a history major, which 222 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,680 is kind of rare these days, and a film and media studies minor. 223 00:12:10,560 --> 00:12:13,160 I'd love to work in film later in life. 224 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,400 I'm kind of trying to talk to professors. 225 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:17,160 OK. Like what is, what does film 226 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,320 school look like maybe 8 years from now? 227 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,920 Or how do I get myself into a field when I'm working in 228 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:24,400 another one? So there's kind of a lot of 229 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:29,120 things to weigh there. I'm going to do 2 independent 230 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:34,320 research projects while in that kind of my second last quarter 231 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:37,880 at Stanford. So just kind of learning how to 232 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:40,800 be an academic a little bit on my own and how I can 233 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,080 incorporate, you know, some smaller projects that hopefully 234 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,840 don't take too much physical energy out of me because I'm 235 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,840 used to balancing so much. And I know I have to devote a 236 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,640 little bit more to running. But I think I can keep my own 237 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,960 mind active for these next couple years to hopefully set up 238 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:00,040 a future for myself post running because it only lasts as long as 239 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,600 this body can be world class. So we'll see how long that takes 240 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,480 me. But you know, obviously thinking 241 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:10,960 about long term as well. Was that always sort of on your 242 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,360 radar or did you go into Stanford undecided, undeclared, 243 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,320 you know, with a major? Yeah, I didn't think of those 244 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,640 things at all. I thought I was going to do like 245 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,560 human biology, which I quickly learned that that was out of it. 246 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,920 But yeah, my dad's a history professor and I actually didn't 247 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:32,320 like history in high school at all. 248 00:13:32,680 --> 00:13:36,160 So anyone who doesn't like high school history a push things 249 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,640 like that take a whole it's college history course because 250 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:40,960 that really changed things for me. 251 00:13:41,560 --> 00:13:45,320 I just fell in love with the subjects and just learning about 252 00:13:45,560 --> 00:13:48,160 things in history and more of a nuanced perspective. 253 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:51,600 And I think it's so important even today. 254 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,560 And obviously the film. I've always been kind of a 255 00:13:53,560 --> 00:13:56,560 creative person and so film kind of allows me a way to be a 256 00:13:56,560 --> 00:13:59,920 little bit more artistic and express myself in new ways. 257 00:13:59,920 --> 00:14:02,960 So kind of pairing those two things together, I think could 258 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:04,480 make something special. Future. 259 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:06,440 So yeah. Can you also explain, I guess, 260 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,400 to the people listening or watching just sort of like what 261 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,760 your setup is right now, you know, when it comes to coaching 262 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,560 and where you'll be training. And then, you know, how, I 263 00:14:15,560 --> 00:14:17,960 guess, how has, I guess New Balance, you know, made this 264 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,600 work for you at the beginning? Yeah, I mean, I kind of, you 265 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:25,000 know, when we had conversations about, you know, maybe making 266 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:30,320 this step, I've just said graduation in 2026 is that's 267 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:33,880 really important to me. Like obviously I committed to 268 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,880 training hard, but I need to get that degree and I'm going to be 269 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,520 there for my Stanford graduation. 270 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:44,200 So I've been training at Stanford, same coach, similar 271 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:47,840 setup. I've had to be a little bit some 272 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,320 of my own workouts, a little bit tailored because my indoor 273 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:53,840 season is just a different timeline right now. 274 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:58,720 My last meet's going to be at Melrose just because such a late 275 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:00,560 season. Last year I started training 276 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:03,400 pretty late and so trying to Rev up and be ready for indoor 277 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,720 races. I just can't maintain that. 278 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,600 And I also have a lot of training to do. 279 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:12,320 So going to kind of take the rest of this winter quarter to 280 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:17,280 train hard and kind of make some training transitions in terms of 281 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:19,760 trying to get better and see how I adjust to that. 282 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:23,640 So yeah, it's kind of my setup. It's pretty similar to college, 283 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,360 but yeah, just a little bit part of stuff sometimes. 284 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:29,680 All right, so we'll work backwards a little bit. 285 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:31,240 We'll start with this past weekend. 286 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,600 You run 159.59 world Lead personal best. 287 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:37,560 How are we feeling after that performance? 288 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:42,880 Yeah, that was really solid. I feel like I never really run 289 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,680 that great. My first meet of the season, I 290 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,720 think like my freshman year I opened with like a 2O3 and then 291 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,880 most years it's like a two O 1 and I always just kind of feel 292 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,240 rusty. But you know, I just was 293 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,960 confident and I just went and ran the race. 294 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:02,840 It felt terrible afterwards. I went straight to the trash 295 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,600 can. But the verse 800 is kind of a 296 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,440 shock to the system. But it was fun. 297 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,920 I felt good out there. I feel solid over my training is 298 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,560 I think sub two indoors is always great. 299 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:20,800 So I think feeling pretty, pretty good about things so far, 300 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:24,640 yeah. So with how late you know 2025 301 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,320 went for most people, when did sort of the training for the 302 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,040 indoor season really ramp up for you? 303 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:36,080 I mean, I took a good two weeks off and then then really light 304 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:40,720 training for another two weeks and then maybe some. 305 00:16:40,960 --> 00:16:44,000 There was more kind of a long endurance phase for me. 306 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,640 And I remember going home for Thanksgiving break and I was 307 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,080 like, I haven't done anything like fast at all. 308 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,320 Like I haven't even gone under 70 and I'm supposed to race 309 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,480 hopefully under 2 minutes like in like 8 weeks. 310 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:04,119 And so it was just not a lot of time. 311 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,599 I think we did good base work for kind of setting the 312 00:17:06,599 --> 00:17:10,359 foundation, but I didn't really get to have all the key workouts 313 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:13,560 I had I wanted and then I'm used to. 314 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,960 So it was kind of just like a little like blind test like all 315 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,440 right, like I, I think I'm fit. Like my body is responding well 316 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:24,760 enough to the stuff we're giving it, but just, I mean, no races, 317 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:29,000 nothing too aggressive in practice and so not too much to 318 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:32,160 to go off of. So I'm pretty pleased how we 319 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,160 were able to kind of work with that short timeline and get a 320 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:36,600 result out there. So yeah. 321 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,560 What is that endurance sort of like window and, and part of the 322 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,040 training cycle look like for you? 323 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,440 Because I'm just trying to think of, you know, I, I guess like 324 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,120 sometimes I thought of you as like more of the four 8 runner 325 00:17:48,120 --> 00:17:51,280 and then like you've run, you know, I'm, I'm looking at it 326 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:56,440 right now. 433 for the mile run, a couple fifteens and so, but 327 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:59,040 you've never gone further than a mile in a race. 328 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,360 So I guess like when you're working on the endurance side of 329 00:18:02,360 --> 00:18:03,800 things, like what does that comprise of? 330 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,520 I did a little bit more miles this year. 331 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:12,440 I would say the past two years have not been advanced by any 332 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:17,600 means, would not be even close to giving anything to Stanford 333 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,160 in terms of cross country. This year I took it a little bit 334 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:24,840 more seriously and I think that's going to be a little bit 335 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,240 more of my intention. I've just developed used so many 336 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,360 years for my speed and obviously that's something you always have 337 00:18:32,360 --> 00:18:35,120 to tap into. But I think in order to get 338 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:37,680 better, I do need to do more endurance. 339 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:42,760 And so I think this year, like, I was like, OK, you can't go 340 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,680 into workouts thinking it's going to feel awesome and 341 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,000 amazing. You're probably going to get 342 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,120 humbled. So just kind of go in with that 343 00:18:48,120 --> 00:18:50,800 mindset. And so there was some, yeah, 344 00:18:51,120 --> 00:18:56,360 just longer runs, like one KS and, you know, a lot of tempo 345 00:18:56,360 --> 00:19:01,440 threshold work and which I hate, but I'm making myself do it 346 00:19:01,680 --> 00:19:05,240 because I think I, if I get, you know, in a couple years, 347 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:07,200 hopefully it'll feel a little bit more comfortable. 348 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,040 But you got to kind of do the stuff that makes you feel 349 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:11,960 uncomfortable in order to get better, so. 350 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:16,840 I feel like you're just coming into collegiate running at such 351 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,040 an interesting time when, you know, you're definitely like in 352 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:24,440 the heart of like the Super spikes and super shoes era where 353 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:27,880 when you were a senior in high school, you were running, you 354 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:33,000 know, 2 flat 159 like, and then, you know, you get to college and 355 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,040 those would be really good times for a college runner. 356 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:40,520 And yet you're trying to seek improvements to still go two 357 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,040 more, two or three more seconds faster than that. 358 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,080 So on the training side of things, like if you think back 359 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,440 to just sort of like senior year, and I get it was, you 360 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:53,480 know, different coaches from high school to, you know, your 361 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,560 collegiate training, like how different were they really in 362 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,440 the grand scheme of things? I remember my freshman year was 363 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,640 hard in terms of training. We trained really hard. 364 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:08,000 I wouldn't say it was like more crazy mileage or anything like 365 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,600 that, but just really high intensity, more hours in the 366 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:16,160 weight room just. And like I'm also transitioning 367 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:20,320 to having training partners who can give it to me at practice 368 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,040 and also like tagging along to. To, you know, some of our girls 369 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,360 who run like 409 in the 1500 and so doing workouts like that. 370 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,200 And I also thought I think the biggest transition is just how 371 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,440 intense the races are. Like in high school, you might 372 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,800 go to an Invitational and it's it's fast. 373 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,600 But in college everything is good. 374 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:43,280 And, you know, I would be like tripling at meets and every 375 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,400 single race I run was just like cutthroat. 376 00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:49,040 And that was that was really hard. 377 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,200 But yeah, there is just so many different transitions. 378 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:55,520 I think just day-to-day, it's just harder. 379 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,200 School is harder, training is harder. 380 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,040 You have to do more recovery. You're in the training room more 381 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,520 often. And so that was just a whole 382 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,520 bunch of adjustments. And I think that's why people I 383 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,000 think often don't see, you know, the time drops they expect 384 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,520 because they're they feel like they're training harder, but 385 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:15,240 they're also balancing a million more things and just navigating 386 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,000 a new intensity that sometimes it's hard to thrive in. 387 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:22,880 And so it you kind of have to stay patient and that hard work 388 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,640 will pay off, but it's often not initially. 389 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,600 This episode of the Sidious Mag Podcast is presented by Ollipop. 390 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:37,520 Polythro is taking over for this special ad, so try January may 391 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,440 be over, but one of the best things to come out of it was 392 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,960 Ollie Pop's brand new Shirley Temple flavor. 393 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:47,640 Funny story, I was still under 21 when I started working with 394 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,080 Sidious, and when I was on the road with the team last year 395 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,920 here, I'd hit that awkward moment at dinner when everyone's 396 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,800 ordering drinks and I still had a few months to wait. 397 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:01,880 That was until Chris suggested I try a Shirley Temple, and golly, 398 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,920 I was hooked. 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Things that, you know, things 425 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,720 are clicking, you're running super well, but then behind the 426 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,520 scenes and just internally like it's not all sunshines and 427 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:40,560 rainbows. I guess, like what was that sort 428 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,840 of like realization like for you? 429 00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:45,720 And then I guess like what were you doing to try and kind of, 430 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,280 you know, mitigate that a little bit? 431 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,200 Yeah, I feel like it was like a very confusing time for me. 432 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:56,400 I don't think I really even understood what was going on all 433 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,720 the time. Like I was so overwhelmed by a 434 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:04,080 million different environments that I was putting that I was in 435 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,520 all the time and just so much intensity. 436 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:12,120 You know, I like tripled at my first NCAA's, like ran 4 races 437 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:15,200 in 24 hours, which was a lot. And then you're straight back to 438 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,280 Stanford and, and honestly, I don't think there was a lot of 439 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,040 time for me to even process what was going on and how it was 440 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:25,880 affecting me. And then you also throw in I had 441 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:30,840 a sleep disorder and so I really was trying to get help for that. 442 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,280 And so wasn't really getting the help that I needed. 443 00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:39,840 And yeah, I think and also just being an 18 year old in a new 444 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,400 place and you're trying to figure all these things out and 445 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,840 you don't really have the words to describe how you're feeling. 446 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:49,920 And you also don't want to sound like annoying or, you know, you 447 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,920 you don't, you know, it's like, is this really a big deal? 448 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,400 And so I think, you know, reflecting on that, like, I 449 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,920 really wish I you know, how to better support system. 450 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,680 I think in that time, I think it grew after that year and that's 451 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,280 why you saw the changes that you know, led to such a great year 452 00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,640 like last year. But it really just shows how 453 00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:19,280 brutal that system can be and how easy it is to kind of 454 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,040 ignore, you know, someone who is really struggling and 455 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,520 overwhelmed. I think just things happen so 456 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,120 fast and there's so much intensity and people are focused 457 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:32,960 on titles and records and, and at the end of the day, like none 458 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,400 of that stuff really matters if the person is in OK, you know, 459 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,080 and they're and they're not supported. 460 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:42,400 I think all those things are kind of an added bonus, you 461 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,600 know, if you if you're happy and thriving and in a good spot, But 462 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:51,160 I just really wasn't. And it's so common, like just 463 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,600 the amount of people who've talked to me about similar 464 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,720 things, it's it's a real problem. 465 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:01,480 And so I just hope like, I think the NCAA is, is great and it's 466 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:06,000 producing so many amazing performances, but like you just 467 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,360 got to make sure that the athlete is good and taken care 468 00:26:09,360 --> 00:26:11,480 of. I think it's great to chase 469 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,480 history and all that, but just just be cautious that you're 470 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,320 working with really young people who are navigating so much 471 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,240 change. And also just they need a 472 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,440 support system too that's beyond just what's going on in the 473 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,440 track. So I think so that's a lot of 474 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,920 what I learned. And but yeah, I mean, I'm 475 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,600 grateful that, you know, I got to go through that because I 476 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,960 think it sets me up for this new transition, knowing what what I 477 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,080 need and what works for me and all that. 478 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,160 Yeah. I think often times, right, like 479 00:26:41,360 --> 00:26:44,880 this picture of like a strong athlete is just, you know, 480 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,920 pushing through all of those hard times. 481 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:50,360 But I think like there's also a lot of power in the athlete who 482 00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:53,120 has, you know, kind of the awareness to be like, no, I, I, 483 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,440 I need help. And what was that point for you? 484 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,720 I guess like when you did finally, you know, start to seek 485 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,480 out the the assistance, whether from your parents or coaches or 486 00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,680 teammates, Like what? What was that moment like? 487 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,960 I don't know. I mean it was a lot of little 488 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,800 moments and you kind of start with your inner, inner circle 489 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,800 and but a lot of things that were really affecting me weren't 490 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,760 really from that inner circle. I needed more support from some 491 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,480 of those outside systems because that was my whole life. 492 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,680 And, you know, I just feel like I talked to, you know, parents 493 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,040 about it for a while, but I really just didn't know how to 494 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,800 talk to people about it. And I didn't really know how to 495 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:39,080 explain what was going on because, you know, like, to a 496 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,120 lot of people around me, they're like, you just like you won 497 00:27:42,120 --> 00:27:45,200 nationals and stuff and you're, you're, you're doing all these 498 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,840 amazing things. And like, and like, that's part 499 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,720 of my frustration too, because I'm like, well, yeah, I don't 500 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:54,800 get why I'm, like having such a rough time because like, I do 501 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,160 have these great things, but it just goes to show that like, 502 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,600 that all those things aren't really meant to fulfill you. 503 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,200 Like, they're great and they're cool and fun to chase, but like, 504 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,200 that's just not like what life is about. 505 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,280 So, yeah, I mean, it took a while. 506 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,920 And it also took, I would say, about two years of learning to 507 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,680 advocate for myself and learning to, you know, what, what 508 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,600 environment is healthy for me and what, you know, what I need 509 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,320 as a person. And a lot of that came from 510 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,360 myself and just, you know, figuring out myself and being 511 00:28:28,360 --> 00:28:30,920 more confident in that. But I do think it's important to 512 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,960 have people around you that really support you through thick 513 00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,720 and thin and aren't just there for, you know, fast track times 514 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:40,760 and all that. So I don't know, but it, it took 515 00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:44,160 a while, I would say just for all those conversations to 516 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:48,360 happen and a while for I feel like people to understand me and 517 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,480 you know, how I operate. And I think we got to that point 518 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,560 and that, you know, was really great. 519 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,040 But you know, I think just learning to advocate for 520 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,920 yourself and learning yourself and how you want to show up in 521 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,640 this world is it's a process and it takes a while. 522 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,320 When did you, I guess start to feel comfortable enough in, in 523 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,240 assessing like your own situation to craft that one? 524 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,000 I guess like the first Instagram post that that you put out about 525 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,880 just sort of everything that you've been going through. 526 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,400 And I guess, like, the moment you hit publish, like, was that 527 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:21,320 a sense of relief or then at the same time, I also start to feel 528 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:25,040 like it opens the floodgates for you to get inundated with all 529 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,120 these other people being like, this is my experience, and now 530 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,640 they're seeking out help from you. 531 00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:31,840 And so how did you handle all of that? 532 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,360 I don't know if I fully, to be completely honest, I don't know 533 00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,240 if I fully knew what I was getting into. 534 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:44,360 I think a lot of it was I, I, I kind of wish people could 535 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,520 understand me. I think I was frustrated with 536 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,760 the ways that I was showing up. You know, I'd go into NCAA's the 537 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:55,400 week before and, or two weeks before and I just, I just didn't 538 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,480 like how I showed up at all. I was just so nervous. 539 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,320 I was, I didn't sleep at all before the races. 540 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:07,080 I was just so overwhelmed. And I kind of just wanted like 541 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,000 just to, I felt like I it wasn't showing up as myself in the 542 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:12,600 world. And that kind of offered me a 543 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,320 way to do so. But yeah, it was a little bit 544 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,040 overwhelming. And I think for like so long, I 545 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:26,560 feel like I had this kind of like mark on me of ways people 546 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,800 looked at me just because of that post. 547 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,800 And while like I'm so happy to be vulnerable and all that 548 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:37,920 stuff, like I do think like, you know, I'm really thriving now 549 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,720 and I feel like I've grown so much and I hope people like see 550 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:42,240 that. And I've tried to like speak up 551 00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,200 about that stuff as well. But I think like I just want to 552 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:51,080 be see people to see me for who I am and that comes with my 553 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,480 struggle. So I think, yeah, it, it was a 554 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,400 lot. And I, and I hope that my, you 555 00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,840 know, story and whatever can help people. 556 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,080 I'm not the best with responding to like the hundreds of messages 557 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,800 and people send me an advice like that. 558 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:09,360 I, I just don't think I'm qualified for that. 559 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:12,560 And so if there's anyone listening that has an unanswered 560 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,800 TM like I, I just don't feel qualified to, you know, give a 561 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,200 young person like advice. I think there's a lot more 562 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,040 qualified people out there, but hopefully like my story and the 563 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,120 ways that I've grown kind of can give people some hope that maybe 564 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,480 the situation they're in like will get better as well. 565 00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:34,440 When did it start to get fun for you again and that you know the 566 00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,760 the true Rochine is showing up again? 567 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:42,360 I wouldn't, I would say until like my like there's glimpses of 568 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,800 it in my junior indoor season when I went to indoor nationals, 569 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:52,600 I feel like that was the first time I was like, Oh, I'm like, 570 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:58,120 this is different. Like I, I had, I was so scared 571 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:02,120 to get back into track and field after the previous two years and 572 00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,280 it just wasn't a good experience. 573 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:09,920 And I just I had to just NT AA's was not it was so stressful. 574 00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:14,000 And so when I went back for that, probably like 1, my fifth 575 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:19,520 time, I was like, I just feel this is fine. 576 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:24,880 Like I'm OK and I can compete and I can focus on this like 577 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,720 it's a track meet and nothing else. 578 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,960 Like it's not life or death. It's not the end of the world. 579 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,080 And I didn't have the most like insane race there. 580 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,760 But almost when I sat down after that race, I was like, whoa, 581 00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:40,640 like I feel proud of myself. Like I feel good. 582 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,400 Like this is fine. Like I didn't I'm not nothing 583 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,360 bad is going to happen because I didn't win. 584 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:51,080 Like it's OK, but then also what that meat did is like it kind of 585 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,840 got the fire back again because I was like, oh, that was good. 586 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,760 But like I want to win. Like I, I know I'm better than 587 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:01,240 that. And so I just kind of minded my 588 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,360 business, put my head down outdoor season ran some 4 589 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:10,880 hundreds, which was fun. And then like I lost the AC CS 590 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:14,480 and even when that and and then I was like, OK, I'm fine, but 591 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,400 that fire was kind of roaring again. 592 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:21,160 And regionals went well and then nationals, like feel like my 593 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,200 biggest fear was going back to Eugene. 594 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,520 And I had such a poor experience there last time. 595 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:29,440 And I kind of went there and conquered that demon and, you 596 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,880 know, was able to have that was just such an amazing day and a 597 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,960 great race. And so that was like, OK, like I 598 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,440 feel like Rasheen, she's coming back, but she she's better and 599 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,400 she's stronger and she's herself this time. 600 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,640 And so I think, you know, that just got such a good momentum 601 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:50,000 into the summer and then now we're here. 602 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:50,960 So. Yeah. 603 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:56,360 Yeah, I mean, the feeling of crossing the finish line at NCAA 604 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:00,320 is winning in a personal best. I'm looking at it right, 1158.13 605 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,800 and then keeping that momentum going through the US 606 00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,560 championships in one of the most like brutal events that like 607 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:12,639 there's always drama come the women's 800I and you win the 608 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,520 whole thing. I guess those two moments in 609 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,440 particular, like what were the feelings and emotions that stand 610 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:20,880 out to you when you reflect upon them? 611 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:26,520 I think NCAA is like that last like 10 meters just felt like 612 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,239 slow motion one because I was like lactic everywhere and I was 613 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,719 like, I just really hope I make it. 614 00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:41,880 But I think it had just been like three such hard years and 615 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,920 just so much time where I had lost kind of a lot of confidence 616 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,760 in myself and just kind of doubting in my, you know, meant 617 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:54,159 to be here. And and then I crossed that 618 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:56,520 finish line. And it wasn't even like it was 619 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,800 like I needed that one moment to validate, but it was just like 620 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,280 every single moment that had LED up to that, you know, form the 621 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,720 person that could do that performance that day. 622 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:12,840 And I don't know, I was just, yeah, I mean, I knew I believed 623 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,760 in myself that I was capable, but to see it come to fruition 624 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,600 like that is always a special moment. 625 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:23,160 And then USA is I was like, that was, I mean, you can see my face 626 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,280 in the pictures. Like I'm just like, oh, my 627 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,280 goodness. Like there's just no way. 628 00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:31,560 Like I, I was like dead last in my semifinal heat the year 629 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,760 before and now I'm winning the whole thing. 630 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:39,480 Like that feels pretty nice. You know, I was just to, to have 631 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,640 that kind of redemption was a pretty special moment. 632 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:46,760 And I, I was, I was pretty shocked. 633 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:49,400 I mean, before the gun went off, I was like, I don't know if it 634 00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,960 feels so great. And they're calling all the 635 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,640 names and it's like Ajay and Raven. 636 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,080 And I'm like, I was watching them on the TV for like my whole 637 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,640 life. And so like to to be in that 638 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,160 race and then to feel the tape, you know, it's just, it's just 639 00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,720 surreal. But you know, I think I have the 640 00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:09,640 perspective now. Like it's so cool to win those 641 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,000 races. But like at the end of the day, 642 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,920 like I'm just kind of here to, you know, you know, be a good 643 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:21,200 servant to people around me and not, you know, put track on this 644 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,840 pedestal. Like it's everything, you know? 645 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,400 I work hard, put my head down, and then if the results come, 646 00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,240 they come so. Yeah, at the beginning of our 647 00:36:29,240 --> 00:36:33,680 conversation, you had such a really cool assessment of just 648 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,520 like the global standing of the 800 meters and just sort of like 649 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:42,080 how you know yourself other Americans stack up against the 650 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,200 rest of the world. So to touch on like your world 651 00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,960 championship experience, I guess, you know, because I 652 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,000 remember right after the heats where you didn't, you didn't 653 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,240 advance to the semi finals like you did have like, you know, an 654 00:36:56,240 --> 00:36:58,280 Instagram story post, I believe it was where you're sort of 655 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,120 like, you know, you felt like you let people down and that's 656 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,520 not true. I think a lot of people were 657 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,440 definitely proud that you'd even gotten to, you know, represent 658 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,200 the United States at such a big stage and and you've had an 659 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,000 amazing season. But I guess what What was your 660 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,520 World Championship experience like? 661 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,200 You know, overall, looking back, I, I learned a lot and there was 662 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:22,640 a lot of really great moments. That race itself was 663 00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,320 disappointing for me. I felt really good about the 664 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,320 spot I was in. And so to go out like that was 665 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,160 just really not how I wanted to show up. 666 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:40,040 But I think, you know, I, I had fun racing out there. 667 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,960 I didn't go out there with fear like it was just to walk into a 668 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:50,200 stadium like that was surreal. But I, I did want a lot more for 669 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,800 myself. And I think moving forward, I 670 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,080 want to make sure I'm prepared and just, I mean, 3 rounds is 671 00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,080 brutal. And so you just can't mess up. 672 00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:02,800 So, you know, just kind of cautious of that. 673 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:08,560 But I mean, I think it was hard. You know, I had, I've worn the 674 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:12,320 US jersey in EU 20 setting, but I think I've watched on the TV 675 00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:17,040 every single year and you know, as someone in the 800 meters and 676 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,120 kind of followed that event and seeing how the American women 677 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,600 perform. And I always, you know, I was 678 00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,000 like, if I ever get in that jersey, I want to be ready. 679 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,000 And I I did feel ready in a lot of senses, but I just don't 680 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,520 think I showed up the way I wanted to, which was initially 681 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:35,840 disappointing. But I think, you know, it was 682 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,760 like an initial rough 24 hours. The, you know, I was just like 683 00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:43,560 very disappointed. But then it it kind of that, you 684 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,000 know, I was able to move on quickly, which I feel like is 685 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,840 always a good sign and kind of fueled some fire for if I'm in 686 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:54,080 another championship in the future, you know, to hopefully, 687 00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:56,400 you know, run faster and run better. 688 00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:58,640 So yeah. I guess one thing that's been 689 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,960 super cool in hearing your talk is just, you know, how much 690 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,360 you're also very observant and a student of the sport. 691 00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,640 And in particular like the 800. And when you've studied this 692 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,600 event and watched it so closely, like what sticks out to you 693 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,720 about just sort of like the evolution of how this event is 694 00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:19,720 being run? You know, at the at the 1% level 695 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:23,080 where you know, you like, like you said before, you got to be 696 00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,440 able to run 155 after three rounds in order to end up with a 697 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,640 medal this time around. Yeah, I watch a lot of races, 698 00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:34,680 like, I mean, people call it watch film and stuff like that. 699 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,600 Like I, I like doing that and I, and I learn a lot from that. 700 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,760 And there is a difference I think to championship racing. 701 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:47,520 And you know, I, I got a lot of championship racing experience 702 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,600 this year and maybe didn't get 3 rounds at worlds, but I did USA 703 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,840 is I did 2 NCAA's and I did 2 ACC. 704 00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:58,400 So which is really competitive conference. 705 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:05,640 But you know, I think you just have to be so smart about how 706 00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:07,920 you use your energy, how you position yourself. 707 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:12,000 Even just now you have to worry about staying on your feet, you 708 00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,200 know, that first lap, you know, each 200 segment brings 709 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,560 something different and each athlete has their own set of 710 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,360 tools that you have to be aware of. 711 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,560 I don't think in every single race I analyze every single 712 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:31,280 person, but you know, like especially before you know those 713 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:37,320 NCAA finals, you know, I do my homework and like I'm you really 714 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,320 never know what people are going to do. 715 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,920 So you have to be prepared for that and you have to know your 716 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,040 instincts well. And so that's part of it, but 717 00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,720 also kind of being prepared for multiple different race plans. 718 00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,040 I feel like I go into each race with about 3:00 and then also 719 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,440 like knowing that I have to throw this out the window 720 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,160 immediately if something goes different. 721 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,800 So there's just so many moving parts. 722 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,480 I think it's the hardest event for so many reasons, but you 723 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,720 have to be fast, you have to be strong, you have to be smart, 724 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,640 you have to be patient, but you also have to be bold. 725 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,120 It's a million different things all in once, and then it goes by 726 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,200 in less than two minutes. But I think looking at the 727 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,240 trajectory of things, women are running it differently. 728 00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:24,800 They're running it more aggressively. 729 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,200 Those times are going to start to come down. 730 00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,480 So I think it's something that people should be excited for and 731 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:36,520 aware of because I think we have something special coming up 732 00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:38,800 either this year or next couple years. 733 00:41:39,240 --> 00:41:41,800 I don't know when it's really going to happen, but I think 734 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,240 it's about to explode. So excited. 735 00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:50,000 So the paint the picture for me the night or two before a race 736 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,920 when it's, you know, devising those three race plans with you 737 00:41:54,920 --> 00:42:00,760 and coach JJ Clark, like who's bringing what to the table and 738 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,720 what does that look like? Yeah. 739 00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:05,280 I mean, I think we both do our homework a little bit 740 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,680 separately. If there's heats, I watch the 741 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,120 heats and I watch everyone very closely. 742 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:15,200 Sometimes I'll watch people like, you know, watch the race 743 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,000 and watch a different person each time. 744 00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,920 You know, if someone runs badly, I want to watch the race and I 745 00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,800 want to know why because usually you can point out a mistake. 746 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,760 And sometimes it's myself. We watch the race, and he's 747 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:30,840 like, OK, you did that wrong. And so that's kind of something 748 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,160 we observe. But yeah, I think the most 749 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:40,600 intense conversation was probably before NCAA's and like, 750 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,600 I think there had been so much anticipation for that race. 751 00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:47,920 And I thought the year before it was going to be really fast and 752 00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,640 it didn't quite, it was a little bit cautious the first lap. 753 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:55,000 But this year, you know, Michaela went for it. 754 00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,440 We're going out in 56 low, so kind of preparing mentally for 755 00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,680 that. But I remember he told me like 756 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:09,160 he was like, if people are timid, you take it and you go 757 00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,840 and you trust yourself 'cause you can do it. 758 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,880 Which didn't end up happening. But it's like, you know, like 759 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,240 kind of intense conversations like that. 760 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:23,480 And I think actually the race strategy he told me was the one 761 00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,560 that actually happens, which is surprising. 762 00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:30,960 And he told me to go out in 3rd place and then not play games in 763 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,360 the, you know, middle part of the race while people are 764 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,120 battling for a spot. You just stay put and you just 765 00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,240 run and you, you stay you, you keep the people in the front, 766 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:43,760 you, you, you make sure you're on them in some capacity and 767 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,120 then you reel them in at the end because they will slow down. 768 00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:50,560 So that was kind of the plan and it works, but you kind of also 769 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:56,400 have to be expect unexpected so. Actually, you'd be probably one 770 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,600 of the perfect people to ask about this because it's somewhat 771 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,320 new, I think. What's with the new World 772 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,880 Athletics, I guess is it the break line, the start line with 773 00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,880 the 800 or something like that? And did you have to deal with 774 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,000 that this past weekend? Is this the two turn stagger? 775 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,320 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, is it just indoors? 776 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,560 I don't see. I haven't even figured it out 777 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,200 yet. I think I heard that. 778 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,160 Well, that's great. I'm glad they did that. 779 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,360 I'm a big fan of two turn stagger. 780 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,320 I think it's in lanes or I don't know if it is in lanes. 781 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,800 I like that better. Do not put 800 meter runners in 782 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,560 like a waterfall. Do not put 2 on A1 turn stagger. 783 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,960 Like they will all trip over themselves and then they will 784 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,400 run slow because they're all bundled up. 785 00:44:37,720 --> 00:44:41,880 So I think that is a wonderful thing World Athletics has done. 786 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:44,840 I think it will make races faster. 787 00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,800 I think it'll keep, you know, people on their feet. 788 00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,560 So yeah, I think it's, I mean, maybe I should look into it 789 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,320 more, but as a runner themselves, I think it's great. 790 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,400 And I did it last weekend and was a big fan, so. 791 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,920 All right, perfect. I was I was so curious about 792 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,760 that because I saw something about the change on Instagram 793 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,480 and I was like, oh wait, I'm asking the US champ about it. 794 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,000 All right, so Rocheen, final question I've got for you is 795 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,320 like, what are you most excited to discover about yourself? 796 00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,520 I guess now that you're a professional runner, you got 797 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:20,800 2026, it's kind of like a clean slate with no, you know, 798 00:45:21,240 --> 00:45:24,760 traditional world championship or Olympics like on the on the 799 00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:26,720 calendar. But what are you most excited 800 00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:29,400 about in 2026? You know, I never really make 801 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:33,080 this a goal, but I kind of would like to see how fast I can run 802 00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,200 this year. I think that's something I 803 00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,520 didn't get to. I just it's hard to focus on 804 00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:40,800 with championships like because I really could go any anyway and 805 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,320 you want to focus on that win. But I think this is a good year 806 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,440 to kind of see where I where I can go just kind of one race 807 00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:54,480 meets, fast meets. So I'm quite excited for that. 808 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,360 I think this is an OK year for that, to make that a goal. 809 00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:01,600 And I feel like, you know, there's a lot more I can do. 810 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:06,120 So yeah, kind of looking at time this year, which I feel like is 811 00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,800 OK for right now. My coach usually isn't a fan of 812 00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:12,160 teasing times, but I just like to see how, you know, fast I can 813 00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,280 run, how hard I can push myself. And so hoping to, you know, hop 814 00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,160 in some races and do that. So yeah. 815 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,080 That's exciting. Well, Rasheen, thanks so much 816 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,880 for taking the time to chat. And then of course, 817 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,800 congratulations on signing the pro contract and now, you know, 818 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:32,280 taking this this next chapter head on as a New Balance 819 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:34,520 athlete. 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