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It is August 11th. 
I'm Chris Chavez. 

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I'm pre majethia. 
And this week in track and 

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field, we've got lots to unpack.
Jakob Ingebritsen is back. 

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We've got the European 
Championships underway. 

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Preet is on site in the Media 
Center recording. 

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So if you hear a little bit of 
background noise, that's coming 

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from where he's at out in 
Birmingham. 

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And then some big doping news 
happened with US 1500m champion 

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Jonah Kovich getting popped for 
blood doping. 

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We'll get into what we know, 
what we don't know. 

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Then of course we'll highlight 
some of the best performances 

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from the 2026 World U20 
Championships that took place 

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out in Eugene, OR. 
But we do want to start with 

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maybe the story that has we'll 
go good news first, then bad 

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news. 
And the good news is Jakob is 

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back. 
He won the European 5K title on 

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Monday in 1315, his first race 
in 11 months following surgery 

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back in February on the sheath 
around his left Achilles. 

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And he didn't do it in typical 
Jacob fashion by pressing from 

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the front. 
After a while, really left it to

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a last minute kick. 
Preet got the chance to talk to 

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him. 
Then we'll include the interview

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that took place in the mix zone 
after this segment. 

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But overall, Pre, I guess we'll 
start with you watching this 

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from the stands. 
There were moments, I'm sure, 

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where you're watching and you're
seeing Yaakov sitting in 20th 

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out of 23rd place. 
And he's 3 seconds back of the 

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front, which I think Dominic 
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And, you know, there's some 
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But in the end, Yaakov, you 
know, moved through some traffic

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and kicked to victory. 
What was it like actually, you 

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know, seeing all this go down in
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Yeah, I mean, I think all of us 
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afterwards, like speaking to 
people here, like everyone was 

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kind of like, yeah, he doesn't 
look good, does he? 

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In the first like 4K, it was, it
was pretty like, you know, he 

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was right at the back and it was
so strung out that, yeah, OK, 

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they weren't going that quickly,
but they were, you know, it was,

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it was still more or less single
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big gap between the front of the
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race. 
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like no one tried that hard to 
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option. 
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it. 
They should have tried to make 

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it really slow or they should 
try to make it really fast and 

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hope he just hasn't got that 
fitness. 

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They sort of didn't do either, 
which I think kind of made it. 

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It's perfect Jack of territory. 
He wins all his 5K titles in 

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that 1310 to 1330 range. 
That is the Jakob sweet spot. 

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And that's exactly where they 
went it. 

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It just made little sense to me,
to be honest. 

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But there we are. 
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He, he and then he moved up and 
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is Gressier was sitting behind 
Jakob, right, Which he was 

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tracking Jakob the whole, you 
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And then he moves up to the 
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Jakob doesn't immediately follow
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little bit later. 
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fun part of the race right where
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Jakob and, and Jimmy, like Jakob
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laps to go and Jakob is, is 
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Jimmy is kind of trying to go 
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shoulder and Jakob kind of 
elbows him a bit and kind of 

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puts his hand out and said, stay
behind me. 

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I'm alright. 
I'm, I'm, I'm in charge here. 

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Like we, we, we all want to know
what actually he said. 

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I don't think anyone asked him 
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But like, essentially he was, he
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to stay behind him. 
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go to the front with about 600 
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Maybe. 
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last lap and he was on the rail,
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And so he did have to, you know,
round, you know, past who was in

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second at that point, Brem or 
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And it wasn't until the final 
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blows past and that was, you 
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there honestly has been no speed
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And he just ended up having that
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because in your conversations 
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of them have said that they're 
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yet. 
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They said and and I think that 
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consistent, right. 
It is who is the least tired at 

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the end of a 5000 meters, right.
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life to be the least tired 
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Because she said very openly 
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special, right. 
It's not in isolation, 548IS 

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nothing special, but if you are 
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done the least amount of work, 
you've done the least, you know,

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you put the least amount of 
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tired because you're also better
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You can run quick on everybody 
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think that is the strategy he 
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global titles and three previous
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meters. 
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I mean, yes, he left it a lot 
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previous certainly European 
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But he you know, you kind of and
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pretty late. 
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went a bit crazy because, yeah, 
we thought he was boxed and then

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he came out and we didn't think 
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But Gressier faded badly. 
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yeah, I could just zoom past him
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For those who love splits, 
here's what I think Yakob ended 

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up being clocked at. 
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Eight for the final 426, four 
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last 100. 
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And if you want to compare how 
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Paris Olympics or the Budapest 
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think he was 119 for the final 
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So yes, I mean, this was 
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remember the fact that like, 
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two, he really said, I guess the
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around up until three weeks ago.
There was a set back, right? 

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A couple a month or so before, 
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from interviews he's done with 
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back was more of an illness and 
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So the training camp went well. 
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training up until three weeks 
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And then I think one of the 
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is when towards the end, some 
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you say you're 100% healthy, but
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fitness at? 
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course, he would pick like, a, 
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88 to 92%. 
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to be better than that. 
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is how he put it. 
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have been good for Jacob. 
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that we're seeing. 
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that Jacob initially wanted to 
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the options presented to him 
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don't do European champs at all.
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starting to be put on the 
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So this morning, the Celestia 
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he's going to be in the field. 
He's already slated to race Cole

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Hawker and Isaac Nader at the 
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So honestly, like there are a 
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rack up some points to get a 
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Championships in the 1500. 
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the 5K as the reigning Olympic 
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But whereas we thought that it 
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get back to the 1500 and you 
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seems like that's the next step 
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It's like the the the next 5K he
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World Ultimates and from now 
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Yeah, and, and the devil's in 
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world ultimates in the 1500s. 
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on the lap count that for the 
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go into the Diamond League final
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highest place finisher who is 
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ultimate championships, which 
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ranking or by being Olympic 
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So if you he doesn't even have 
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and you can still make it to 
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The other thing is, I think just
reading again the devil in the 

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detail, if you're invited via a 
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Diamond League final, you can't 
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this route. 
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the global wild card for the 
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That's the Sebco super invite, 
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No, this is the Sebco super 
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final. 
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Diamond League if he gets. 
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final and because we're all 
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invite goes to Josh Kerr and 
that has to be announced on 17th

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So we, I don't know whether they
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August, but it will be decided 
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think they don't have to tell 
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less spot in the field. 
So I think we will know by next 

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week whether Josh Kerr is going 
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I think and with Jacob he could 
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Kerr does take up the invite so 
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invite, then I think he would 
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trying to get Saddam league 
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He could get a wild card in 
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the well ultimates via that 
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placed non qualified finisher. 
Which might fall all the way 

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down to like fourth place. 
At exactly, yeah, yeah. 

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I mean, to be fair, you'd expect
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final to all probably be people 
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while it's like the vast 
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who are likely to come in the 
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Yakut, you'd expect them all to 
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So it should be quite 
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shakes out. 
Yeah, OK, so let's give a 

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potential scenario, right, to 
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includes Ken Myers, Cole Hawker 
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Yakabingo Britsen. 
What's his name? 

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Azadeen Habs. 
Timothy Cheriot, Right? 

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So that's seven names right 
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If so, Cole's already qualified 
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champion. 
If those six other guys are 

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already within the quota and 
Jacob finishes 7th in the race, 

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he gets in. 
Yeah, he gets into it's. 

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Kind of, it's kind of brilliant.
Just get into the Diamond League

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final. 
Yeah, exactly. 

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So I know. 
And as I say, I don't think he 

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necessarily has to qualify for 
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So should be quite interesting. 
But I mean, just going back to 

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obviously yesterday's race and 
just watching it and how 

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impressive he was in, like, he 
has still got that aura, right. 

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I think you can see that people 
were still like waiting for him 

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to do something. 
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European level, that aura is 
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Like no one, no one is really 
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him. 
And maybe a couple of the guys 

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who could have done something in
his race, like they weren't 

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there. 
But I still think like at the 

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European level, like even though
these are guys who have meddled,

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like he beat the world bronze 
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year 5K, he beat the 10,000 
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year. 
Like he's he's beat legitimate 

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like championship 5K runners in 
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Race I was going to add that 
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Just. 
Although Andreas Almgren wasn't 

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in the race and that was someone
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highlight last time this field 
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Isaac Kamelli's having a 
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He finished ninth. 
Dominic Lubalu tried, you can 

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give him credit, 'cause he was 
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4th. 
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mean, there's some other people 
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Abdullahi wasn't there, right? 
Yeah, Abdullahi, Yeah, he's 

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injured. 
George Mills is injured. 

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He's the other person who 
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Got yon shrub is injured. 
Yon shrub is injured. 

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podium. 
It's still I think a pretty good

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field. 
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who ended up on there have run 
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historical side, this is the 
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is what I saw so. 
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record, which is a yeah, he 
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still has it from from back 
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But it was, it was, it was a 
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Then you also here, here's 
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Ireland's Nick Riggs. 
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right? 
8th I think you finished in the.

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End, oh, eighth, OK, it's my 
bad. 

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But still. 
He was 4 1/2 seconds back of of 

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the win. 
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race with one spike on it. 
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Yeah, last mile. 
He ran with one. 

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Cheek and there's a hot rumor 
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headed to Oregon. 
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Clearinghouse has found a way to
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Although if you see him the last
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think he's been racing in a pro 
kit. 

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But who knows in this day and 
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But he may be joining the Oregon
Ducks, most likely for track. 

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I wonder if he can get any cross
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cross country favorite, but he's
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So that is what could be up 
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Did you notice anything I guess 
about or did did Jacob say 

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anything in the in the mix zone 
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He did look like he had a little
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stages of the race. 
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noted in your interview is that 
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he does start to look better, 
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those later stages. 
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sense I got from Philip was even
Philip was surprised that he 

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won, right? 
Like that was the that was the 

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wildest thing about. 
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that he's going to be, he's 
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He said he thought he knew he 
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meters. 
To go. 

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Yeah, exactly. 
So Yakov is always likes to 

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exceed an air of confidence. 
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see like behind the scenes, like
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trains with Yaakov and he was 
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kick Bram and Daguino and 
Gressie. 

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I don't think he was. 
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said like even going in, we were
thinking he might meddle. 

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out a little bit with a few, 
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think first race out, it's 
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sport makes the sport better, 
right? 

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Like we love having sports we 
love and the way he engages with

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the media as well. 
You sure? 

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He gave us a 10 minute 
interview. 

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Like he did one interview, like 
pooled interview. 

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We had to wait till about 11, 
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Like he'd raced like 2 hours 
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Like that was his. 
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ceremony. 
I don't know if he did his cool 

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down as well in between. 
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to the mix zone and then spent 
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Norwegian journalists and then 
another 1015 minutes with us and

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did a couple of other interviews
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So yeah, he's he, he's very 
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media, which is also good for 
the sport because he says 

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interesting stuff and the way, 
you know, we like to dissect 

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everything he says. 
So like it's great to have him 

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back and we hopefully get to see
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Josh Kerr, etcetera in the 
coming six weeks. 

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I, you know, that's what we 
hope. 

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I we, we may not get everything,
but we may get some of it. 

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Yeah, it's encouraging that one,
the result and then two, that he

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does have these races lined up 
for the next couple weeks. 

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And to your point of just sort 
of him being back in the mix 

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makes things so much more 
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I think I put up a a tweet about
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immediately responded. 
It's cool that Noah is a Jacob 

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fan because both of them are 
outspoken in very different 

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And that's what makes them so 
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So it's good that that that 
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things more interesting as 
things go along. 

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He was a little coy, right when 
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what some of his goals are in 
bigger picture wise for the rest

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of the season, right? 
Like he didn't necessarily state

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it was running X time or winning
this sort of race. 

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Like I think he's literally 
taking things race by race. 

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I think his 1500 like we have to
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as we saw in Tokyo, right? 
Like the 1500 is much more 

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affected by his injury than his 
5K, right? 

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So it's how much and, and 
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training like 1500 meters, you 
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So like we will have to see how 
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And obviously in a pace race, we
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pretty unbeatable. 
So even if he's 80% of that, he 

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stands in with a decent chance 
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League race. 
Like we might still see him get 

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the win and run 3:30 or 329. 
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that's that kind of the level 
I'm expecting we might see. 

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But it'll be absolutely wild if 
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something like a 327 or 
something like that would be 

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that. 
That's a very quick track. 

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Like it's, it's a very quick 
track. 

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Like it's where he ran his 7173K
world record. 

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And yeah. 
What do you think it? 

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Looks like he's almost got the 
almost. 

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Yeah, I think yeah, definitely 
moving in the right direction 

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you. 
Were boxed in coming in that 

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last lap. 
Well, when did you make the 

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decision for the movie? 
Did you panic talk about that 

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last lap? 
Did he look like a panic? 

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No, he didn't. 
No, I think I felt pretty strong

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last 600 and at that point I was
in a great position considering 

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the people around me. 
There was a lot, surprisingly a 

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lot headwind on the back 
straight. 

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So I thought, I'm definitely not
in a position where I'm going to

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do anything more than I have to 
because I don't know what's 

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what's happening in these are 
the best runs in the world. 

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So I had to make everything 
count and make my move decisive 

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and spend my energy as as 
perfectly as I possibly could. 

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I think I did exactly that. 
But yeah, felt felt pretty good.

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I think last two laps we were 
pushing quite hard. 

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I'm not sure what kind of splits
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But yeah, I felt, I think that's
when I started to feel liver 

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comfort every, everything 
leading up to that, my sessions,

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you know, my warm up, 
everything's kind of been a 

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little bit better, feeling just 
a little bit smoother and a 

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little bit stronger. 
And I thinking back if I feel 

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like this 600 meters to go, I 
think I have a pretty good shot 

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though. 
Given everything you've been 

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for, all the injuries, where 
does this rank you from? 

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How special is this? 
I think coming from last six 

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months, I think it's yeah, 
definitely up there. 

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I've been put out of a lot of 
things not being able to train 

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properly and but that's worth 
nothing. 

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I'm here to compete and I'm here
to do my best. 

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But then again, it's it's all 
about calculating the risk of 

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something, me compromising, you 
know, my training and and 

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everything considering that I 
don't have any foundational 

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training at all. 
So we decided that risk is not 

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really there anymore. 
I'm healthy, I'm 100%, I'm fully

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recovered from my surgery. 
Now it's all about fitness and 

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building again. 
And these things you can always 

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work out. 
So worst case scenario, if I'm 

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here and I'm racing, I'm not 
winning and I'm not meddling. 

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That's the worst case and I can 
live with that. 

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But I think everything aligned 
and everything was improving all

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the way, and I think we 
definitely made it more stuff. 

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Yeah, Could that last 400 was 
54.8, so a pretty fast split. 

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And I think I was talking to 
Philip and he mentioned you 

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haven't done much speed work 
yet. 

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So did you know you had that 
kind of speed in you when you 

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left it that late? 
Doesn't matter how much speed 

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you have if you're tired. 
So I've been trying last three 

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weeks to not be so tired. 
Usually the usually the least 

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tired and fatigued runner that 
wins a half 1000 meter 54. 

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Like if you isolate the 54 lap, 
it's not very fast, but it's 

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coming off of 4600 meters. 
That makes it maybe a little bit

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faster. 
But yeah, it's I've not been 

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able to do too much. 
Struggling getting back to 100%,

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being healthy. 
But yeah, it's good enough. 

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Jacob. 
Are you able to train at your? 

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Full usual volume at the moment.
At the moment, yes, but three 

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weeks ago now, so I, I think it 
was looking at the positives, 

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everything that I was able to 
perform this race. 

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I know that that will be better 
tomorrow and in two weeks that 

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will be double. 
So that is a good, a good 

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situation to be in. 
What do you want to achieve for 

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the rest of the season? 
I know you've got a few races 

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lined up. 
Yeah, nothing in particular. 

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I think if I can use this as a 
good momentum, keep putting in a

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little bit of work. 
I think of course I'm, I want to

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compete a little bit more, but 
this was the championship of 

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2026 and if I was 100% healthy, 
I wanted to compete. 

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So made sense in the end, Jaco. 
Mentally, what's the recovery 

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being like for you? 
Mentally. 

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It's like dealing with the 
injury. 

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Why do you think I'm a recovered
mentally now it's. 

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I hope you are. 
Yeah, but being an athlete 

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struggling with injuries, it 
doesn't really matter what you 

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are mentally you because the the
mental situation is very much 

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reflecting of the fiscal 
situation and me being sidelined

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for 1 1/2 year. 
It's not. 

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Of course I'm not nice person to
be around because I'm always 

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struggling with getting back 
into myself and getting healthy 

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again. 
But as long as as soon as I'm 

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starting to feel good again, 
then I'm a nice person. 

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So it's very much correlated. 
It's the same thing being a 

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professional runner for my whole
life. 

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If I feel good in training, I'm 
good mentally. 

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That's the. 
Whole thing, How close do you 

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think you are fitness wise? 
You said you're 100% health 

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wise, but fitness wise how? 
How close? 

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I can't be too far off can I 
considering the the amount of 

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talent that I'm racing against 
today. 

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I'm not comparing myself too 
much to others. 

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However, this is the best 
runners in the world that I'm 

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racing against both time wise, 
but also intensive racing. 

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So maybe 88 percent, 92% so, but
these less percentage can be 

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very tiny in numbers and tenths 
of a second. 

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But still, now I can train 
properly and from here on I'm 

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going to be a lot better, like 
astonishingly a lot better. 

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So I'm looking forward to that. 
Do you wish the crowd was 

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bigger? 
It's going a lot better to say. 

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What's that do? 
Wish the crowd was bigger. 

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Of course, of course. 
But I think we made the most out

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of it. 
The people that shows up are 

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very enthusiastic and I think 
that's the most important. 

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If the the seats are packed with
people that doesn't care about 

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anything, maybe not that great 
either. 

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I think the people that's here 
really lives for the sport of 

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athletics. 
They're here to watch the chair 

446
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,160
for everyone and they love to 
watch us compete and I think 

447
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,120
that's the most important part. 
Nowadays we are talking about 

448
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:27,640
numbers, but behind the numbers 
there are values. 

449
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,560
And what this period of time 
showed you from the value side. 

450
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,240
From the side, what makes us a 
human? 

451
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,720
This this strong period of time?
What to show? 

452
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,080
Because we are speaking about 
medals, about the records in 

453
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:43,680
seconds, but there are values in
the humans right on the other 

454
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:44,600
side. 
Yeah, of course. 

455
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:50,600
What to show to you this period?
I think very big and difficult 

456
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:56,280
question to answer. 
However, I think running is just

457
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,880
so much. 
But for me, it's, it's my life 

458
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,720
and it's what I'm doing. 
And I think working together 

459
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:08,120
with my team and people around 
me, it's it's special for us and

460
00:27:08,120 --> 00:27:11,240
we want to make you know the 
most out of it and we want to 

461
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,480
have a good time and enjoying 
what we're doing. 

462
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,360
I think me showing up here and 
and wanting to compete, this is 

463
00:27:17,360 --> 00:27:21,480
a big part of it. 
As I said, the risk, as long as 

464
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,480
the risk is to lose, then I'm 
going to show up and compete. 

465
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:29,880
I think when it's something else
than that, I think you have the 

466
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,920
wrong values. 
I think this board needs people 

467
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,720
to show up and it needs people 
to compete and it needs everyone

468
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:42,480
to be here. 
If I'm #1 or #5 or #45 this is a

469
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,120
championship based on, you know,
a certain amount of people 

470
00:27:45,120 --> 00:27:48,360
that's here to represent the 
country and represent themself. 

471
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:54,680
And, you know, I think it's so 
important for me to be here and 

472
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:56,240
show that doesn't matter what I 
do. 

473
00:27:56,560 --> 00:28:00,520
Luckily for me, I was able to, 
you know, do as good as I can 

474
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:05,160
and perform as well as I did. 
That wouldn't change if I was 

475
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,040
put on the list or not. 
I think it's yeah. 

476
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,160
What would be your message to 
people who struggle not even in 

477
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,400
sport, but in different 
situations in life and try to? 

478
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:20,360
Come back and about I. 
Think it goes out to everything 

479
00:28:20,360 --> 00:28:22,520
that you do. 
If you just keep on trying, 

480
00:28:23,120 --> 00:28:27,200
doing your best every day, 
eventually it will be better. 

481
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,200
Sport is a privilege. 
It's not the most important 

482
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:37,240
thing in the world, but it's a 
good thing that can, you know, 

483
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,800
gather people and connect 
people, bring people more 

484
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,520
together in a world where people
are more divided than ever. 

485
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,240
So I think it's, it's very 
important and and we as athletes

486
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:55,160
doing sport can, can be a good, 
you know, go forward a good 

487
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:59,120
example. 
But I think it's, it's just the 

488
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,280
tip of the spare goes through 
everything you do like, you do 

489
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,920
it as good as you can and you do
it with honour and you try your 

490
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,800
best. 
It will be better, OK. 

491
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:11,640
Guys, thank you. 
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Let's hit on some of the 

524
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,920
upcoming matchups to watch at 
the European Championship. 

525
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,560
So a morning session just took 
place and we got to see the 

526
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,160
first glimpse of the women's 
800. 

527
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:25,440
Keeley Hodgkinson leading all of
the the the whole entire field 

528
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,440
with a 157 in the first round. 
Femkibola wins her heat. 

529
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,720
Audrey Buerra wins her heat. 
So no major surprises there. 

530
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,400
But what has stood out to you so
far about make me? 

531
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,280
I mean, it seems like Keeley's 
carrying herself in a way where 

532
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,480
the confidence is back, which is
what the big thing was right 

533
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:50,040
after pre that, you know, we 
started to think it's yes, it's 

534
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:55,400
step one is getting over, you 
know, the injuries or the tiny 

535
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,960
hiccups that have come up in 
training. 

536
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,000
But then 2 is building that 
confidence back up. 

537
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,960
And she seems pretty adamant 
that, hey, listen, I didn't do 

538
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,440
anything wrong in the first time
that I raced against Audrey 

539
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,200
Wearo. 
Maybe underestimated the fitness

540
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:14,040
and level that she was at that 
go around but not going to let 

541
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,560
that happen twice. 
Although that's what you can say

542
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,880
and project. 
Audrey Werro and her training 

543
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,000
can dictate her side of things, 
but the duel is on. 

544
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,240
Yeah, I mean, like those heats 
were wild. 

545
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:29,360
I think I I I want to like I've 
been trying to find the stats 

546
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,280
person to test out whether the 
this is like the fastest set of 

547
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:39,040
heats at any major championship 
because literally 159 O 9 did 

548
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,960
not qualify out of the heats on 
on the time qualif. 

549
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,040
That's the type of thing you see
at AUS Olympic trials from the 

550
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,800
semi finals to the final. 
But I mean in the heats is is a 

551
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,280
whole. 
Other story European 

552
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,560
Championships is wild to me that
it's that high a standard, but I

553
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,960
I don't think it's necessary 
that it was just like Keely 

554
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:05,520
basically wanted to put on a 
show so she ran 157 point. 

555
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:10,760
Was it 28 from the front? 
Like easy as you like looking 

556
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,920
really confident, looking really
smooth and you know, and then 

557
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:20,800
Audrey went through maybe a 
second slower and then closed 

558
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,440
harder and ran 157 eight or 
something. 

559
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:28,120
So that was again massively 
impressive. 

560
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,040
And it looks like, it looks like
they were like flexing basically

561
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,880
at each other like with with 
those 22 races. 

562
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,000
And then, and then you have 
Femko Ball, who looks like she's

563
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,880
barely trying and still gliding 
her way to what? 

564
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,160
Yeah, exactly. 
And yeah, she she, yeah, she 

565
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:45,120
was, she, she was barely trying.
And I think even the other the 

566
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,960
four seat was, was really fast 
as well. 

567
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:51,600
So it was just, yeah, it was 
very, it was very impressive all

568
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,720
around, like really good 
running. 

569
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,560
Like there's a few PBS and 
national records. 

570
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,160
I think it was a Greek national 
record or something that didn't 

571
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,560
make it through. 
It was like, what's going on? 

572
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,320
And yeah, Italian national 
record behind Keely, Like, and 

573
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,080
that was a 1980 national record,
Italian national record in the 

574
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,480
800 they got. 
They got broken by Louisa Cuy 

575
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:13,719
Rose. 
So shout out to her. 

576
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:17,760
But like, yeah, I mean, it's 
it's not a slow track. 

577
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:19,920
Clearly it's a fast track, fast 
enough track. 

578
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,880
The wind, it was windy, but I 
don't think it was affecting 

579
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,679
them that much because the 100 
meter heats that took place just

580
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:27,800
a little bit before had a -3 
headwind. 

581
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,480
So it is windy in that stadium. 
It's not like super windy 

582
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,080
because they put up these 
temporary stands. 

583
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,760
But it doesn't make it easy when
Jakob commented last night about

584
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:42,400
the breeze on the back straight.
So yeah, but it I think it's 

585
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:43,840
shaping up exactly how we 
wanted. 

586
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:49,639
Even these heats were 
fascinating to watch and yeah, 

587
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,800
and they were good races and, 
and they were fast races. 

588
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,080
So yeah, I think we're we're 
hoping it. 

589
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:56,960
Goes I think that's enough of a 
selling point. 

590
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,800
Yeah, I think that's enough of a
selling point to get people into

591
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,760
the stands for the 13th. 
Like where are people? 

592
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:07,080
And, and this, I don't know, I, 
I'm honestly very surprised. 

593
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,760
And I think there's a little bit
Yeah. 

594
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,720
And, and to be honest, people 
are confused, right? 

595
00:35:11,720 --> 00:35:13,760
Like, why? 
Why is this not selling? 

596
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,720
It's a summer holiday. 
So like, kids are off school. 

597
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,840
People can bring their families 
and yes, it's a week long 

598
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,720
championships and I think we're 
definitely expecting more people

599
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,560
as the week goes on. 
But obviously, I think last 

600
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:29,960
night could be one of the best 
nights of the championships with

601
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,240
Jakob's victory, with that mixed
4x4, with that women's hundred, 

602
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:35,920
with the British win like that. 
That was one of the nights of 

603
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,600
the championships. 
And it was, I mean, the home 

604
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,920
straight to be fair, which you 
don't get to see on the coverage

605
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,120
very much. 
It's pretty full. 

606
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,840
Like this morning in the morning
session, that home straight was 

607
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,480
rammed, right? 
So there are like 556000 people 

608
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,720
on that, 5000 people on that 
home straight that you don't 

609
00:35:51,720 --> 00:35:53,840
see. 
But then the rest of the 

610
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,160
stadium, which I think the 
capacity is like 23,000. 

611
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:02,840
They've expanded it to looks, 
you know, 20% full, which is not

612
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,600
not ideal, you know, certainly 
in the morning sessions and 

613
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,000
we're a little bit fuller in the
evening. 

614
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,240
But we'll see. 
We'll see how it builds up. 

615
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,160
What's the get in ticket? 
Price, So that's the interesting

616
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,440
thing right? 
There are some cheap like 20 

617
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:23,440
pound £25 tickets for a lot of 
the sessions and you could see 

618
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,160
like I think last night it was 
hilarious. 

619
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,760
There was like a line about 
halfway up the stand where you 

620
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,480
could see the Cheaptickets 
started because they had 

621
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,240
obviously all sold and then 
there's no one sitting below 

622
00:36:33,240 --> 00:36:37,680
that or like a massive. 
So yeah, that there are some 

623
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:39,040
like. 
But then I think the home 

624
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,960
straight seats are like 90 lbs 
and 110 lbs which you know, 

625
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,000
$150.00 + 100 and $60.00 for the
top tickets. 

626
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:51,560
And I think that goes up to 200 
ish dollars on the for the last 

627
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,600
of three, three nights, Friday, 
Saturday, Sunday. 

628
00:36:53,840 --> 00:37:00,960
So that does get expensive. 
And yeah, I'd, I, I, and it is 

629
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,240
tricky. 
Like if you're bringing a family

630
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:04,440
like, and this is Birmingham, 
this isn't London. 

631
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,680
So again, in terms of cost, like
in London, that's maybe a little

632
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,960
bit more palatable. 
But also, again, people, they're

633
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,160
not going to come to multiple 
days of that price, right? 

634
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:16,920
And those sorts of prices and 
the food and stuff inside the 

635
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,040
concession stands and stuff, 
it's really expensive, really, 

636
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,800
really expensive. 
And you know, it's, it's maybe 

637
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,280
just like 3040% more expensive 
than it than you'd want it to be

638
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,920
if you're bringing your family 
and stuff like it's just, it's 

639
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:32,640
just, it's just a bit too, too 
pricey. 

640
00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,360
What, what you're getting, 
especially. 

641
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,560
And because the second part of 
the controversy is that they've 

642
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:42,960
given buys to the top 12 in all 
the sprints, up to and including

643
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:44,720
the 400 meters and the 400 
hurdles. 

644
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:47,800
When did they decide this? 
Because like I I, you were you 

645
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,720
were up in arms about the whole 
thing and there were people who 

646
00:37:50,720 --> 00:37:52,440
had already bought their tickets
to these sessions. 

647
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:54,280
Right. 
So Commonwealth Games, they 

648
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,640
literally announced it the day 
before because Amy Harden, who 

649
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,120
got the silver medal, thought 
she was running a heat and then 

650
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,280
two days before or day before 
found out she wasn't. 

651
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,400
But I think here it was well 
known from the start that that 

652
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:06,680
was going to happen. 
Like that was known further in 

653
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:07,960
advance. 
But I think if you're not 

654
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,240
following the sport like us, you
wouldn't have known that when 

655
00:38:11,240 --> 00:38:12,640
you are buying your tickets to a
morning. 

656
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,720
Like if you're bringing your 
kids to a morning session to see

657
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:17,640
some athletics, like in some 
cases, people just want to come 

658
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,560
see it and they don't know who 
any of the athletes are. 

659
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,240
But in other cases, like if you 
want to see some of the top 

660
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,000
stars, what's going? 
To be crying. 

661
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,600
Yeah, you're not going to see. 
Them Amy Hunt. 

662
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,800
And, and I think I can 
understand it in an Olympic year

663
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,560
where they're trying to get the 
athletes to come when they've 

664
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,520
got an Olympics a few weeks 
later, a few weeks or just after

665
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,720
the Olympics, whichever way 
round it happens to fall, I can 

666
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:44,280
understand that. 
But in because obviously 

667
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,480
European Championships takes 
place every two years and so it 

668
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,800
in an even year. 
So it does clash with the 

669
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,200
Olympic year every two year, 
every four years. 

670
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:56,880
But in the off year like this 
year is, I don't see why you 

671
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,440
would do that because there's no
need to. 

672
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,800
It's a seven day champs or you 
just make it a five day, five 

673
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:04,920
day championships. 
You don't make it a seven day 

674
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,560
championships because it just 
stretches it out unnecessarily 

675
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,000
and it's a massive disadvantage 
to run an extra round in the 

676
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,800
400. 
And the other stupid thing is 

677
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,080
the qualifying from the heats is
12 fastest. 

678
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,440
So it's not even like the people
who are having to run the extra 

679
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,840
round can run slowly and just 
like win their heat or whatever.

680
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,280
They have to run as hard as they
can to make sure they get in on 

681
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,600
time. 
So it's like it's, it's I, I, it

682
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:34,080
feels like the people who've 
made those decisions don't 

683
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:35,680
understand the sport, which 
seems. 

684
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,920
Did they realize that they're 
going to be running 3 rounds in 

685
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,640
one day in LA? 
Well, look, I mean, I think 

686
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:44,360
again with the, with the women's
hundred, like fine, right? 

687
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:46,240
Like, OK, yes, it's 3 rounds in 
one day. 

688
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,440
And but then again, it's, it's, 
it's a massive disadvantage. 

689
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,240
The people that didn't have to 
run, who had to run the extra 

690
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:55,280
round, of course. 
And you know, like that, that, 

691
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,600
that I think is a little unfair.
But you know, like it's just 

692
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,760
more generally, it's just 
doesn't like the whole logic of 

693
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,080
it from a sporting perspective 
and from a crowd perspective, 

694
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:08,880
both sides of it don't really 
make sense. 

695
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,520
So I, I, I just, I just don't 
get it right. 

696
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,720
I really don't get it. 
Yeah. 

697
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,640
Well, for one, I hope that the 
folks organizing the US Olympic 

698
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,480
Trials aren't listening or 
aren't paying attention to the 

699
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:27,280
model that's on display here 
because I guess the document for

700
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,720
the bidding is out and or has 
been out for a while. 

701
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:36,640
And the 2028 US Olympic Trials I
believe will be over the course 

702
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,640
of six days as opposed to the 
10. 

703
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:44,040
Interesting choice because in 
the past the trial schedule has 

704
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:48,520
been done to reflect that of the
Olympic schedule, but this time 

705
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:51,600
around there's other changes 
potentially being made where, 

706
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,040
you know, the multi events may 
be held at a different, you 

707
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,840
know, time and place. 
Same thing with the 10,000 

708
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:03,040
meters, which is something we 
saw in 2023 I believe, where the

709
00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:06,200
Team USA selection for the 10K 
was held at the pre Classic and 

710
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,440
then there was no 10K at the 
national championships. 

711
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:15,160
So yeah, I just hope that we 
don't get this European champ 

712
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,200
schedule for the 28 US trials, 
wherever they may end up being. 

713
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,840
I mean, I don't know if that 
means they're going to do like 2

714
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:22,480
separate weekends. 
Are they going to do like 

715
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,400
Friday, Saturday, Sunday, 
Friday, Saturday, Sunday? 

716
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:28,240
Which in one sense makes sense 
to get like maximum crowd. 

717
00:41:28,240 --> 00:41:29,920
No, I think this would be 6 
days. 

718
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,960
Consecutive days? 
Because then that seems a bit 

719
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,760
bizarre because then you're 
losing one whole weekend, which 

720
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:37,920
if you're in the business of 
making money, which is what we 

721
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,920
understand US sport in the US to
be all about, then that seems a 

722
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,800
bizarre but. 
It's also lots of really 

723
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:48,120
expensive to stay in Eugene or 
in LA for two consecutive 

724
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,960
weekends for the, you know, 
coaches, the media, the 

725
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,560
volunteers, all that kind of 
stuff might end up being more 

726
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:56,960
expensive than that. 
No, no. 

727
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,040
But I mean, the Olympic trials 
is the one thing that in US kind

728
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,480
of does kind of sell out and get
attraction. 

729
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,320
Yeah. 
And I think the one thing that 

730
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,320
going back to here and European 
Championships is the bid team 

731
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:13,600
for the London 2029 World 
Championships that they're 

732
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,280
trying to bid for London is 
making a final presentation. 

733
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,640
News development that we've had 
in the last like week or so. 

734
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,880
So it's now London, Nairobi, 
Rome. 

735
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,240
And Munich. 
Munich, but the final bid 

736
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:29,680
presentation is on Friday of 
this week. 

737
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,760
No, no, but I mean, I think it's
just and it's it's the people 

738
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,880
who are organizing the European 
Championships, which is this 

739
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,400
joint venture between, you know,
UK Athletics, London Marathon 

740
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,880
and Great Run, which does like 
Great North Run, biggest half 

741
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,480
marathon in the world. 
So you know, they've combined to

742
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:51,440
to do this and you know, the 
organization is phenomenal. 

743
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:56,040
But if you're saying we can't 
fill a stadium in Birmingham for

744
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:01,320
a week, then the question will 
be asked in that bid, right? 

745
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,920
Like you're going to have a 
60,000 seat of stadium to fill 

746
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:08,320
for a whole week like or 9 days 
or whatever, you know that like 

747
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,440
for World Championships. 
Yeah. 

748
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:12,000
But they have the, they had 
that's World Championships 

749
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,080
versus European Championships 
and they have the back, the the 

750
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,840
back the background of the 2017 
World Championships to kind of 

751
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,560
fall back on. 
So they might be in a little bit

752
00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,760
of a safer place versus other 
bids. 

753
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,360
Like I think the Kenya bid looks
like they have to just give 

754
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,560
their national stadium a 
tremendous facelift between now 

755
00:43:31,720 --> 00:43:36,640
and 20292030, whichever one they
end up getting 2031 right? 

756
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:38,880
Yeah, so maybe I know a lot. 
I know a lot of the time they do

757
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,560
like a double bed and stuff so. 
Yeah. 

758
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,120
And then of the other ones, I 
guess what Munich, Munich posted

759
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:46,600
European champs not that long 
ago. 

760
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,200
And Munich. 
Munich I think is probably the 

761
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,120
most likely contender. 
Like Rome, do you think so I, I,

762
00:43:54,240 --> 00:43:57,680
I think I think Rome well, I 
really don't like I would love 

763
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,760
it and hate it being in Rome 
because in Rome the. 

764
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,800
State Rome's got some like 
financial stuff behind the bid. 

765
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,840
I think the city finally decided
that they will support it. 

766
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,160
Yeah, and. 
The problem with with Rome is 

767
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,800
more the stadium is a pain, like
it's in the middle of nowhere. 

768
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,040
It's in a bit of an island in 
terms. 

769
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,480
Of dude at the car seat and. 
Then like it's, it's maybe you 

770
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:22,440
know, it's not that far out the 
city, but there's no public easy

771
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,120
access, public transport to get 
there, which you know, like if 

772
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,160
you think about Paris Olympic, 
like Paris Olympics and how easy

773
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,600
it was to get in and out stadium
Tokyo as well, like, you know, 5

774
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:33,960
minutes you could be on on the 
subway, metro, whatever. 

775
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:37,120
It was like it was phenomenal 
for both of those championships.

776
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:41,120
And that's not really the case 
with Rome. 

777
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,800
And it's it's very, very 
difficult to get in and out of 

778
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,400
that stadium. 
I Munich. 

779
00:44:45,720 --> 00:44:47,560
Yeah. 
I mean, I'm sure that their 

780
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,800
organization, I've heard, I've 
heard good things. 

781
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:54,040
I wasn't at Munich in 2022, but 
yeah, so let's see how it goes. 

782
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,320
The the official decision won't 
be out until September. 

783
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:58,760
I think it's September, yes, 
we're here. 

784
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,920
So I wonder whether that will be
at World Ultimate. 

785
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,520
So whatever maybe or that, but 
they'll have the council meeting

786
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,440
that will decide decide that. 
But yeah. 

787
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,760
You don't think that like one of
Seb's last parting gifts as 

788
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,360
president will be all right? 
Give this to my home country 

789
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:16,280
right before I go. 
I. 

790
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,120
Mean as in I think that was kind
of the whole like expectation 

791
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,080
and hope and everything, but I 
do. 

792
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,480
More cities bid. 
For it I do worry that the 

793
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,520
publicity and the situation 
we've got here at Europeans this

794
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:31,520
week could impact that decision 
making where it might you know 

795
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,680
it might influence, but it might
it may it may have been like 

796
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,040
more of a kind of a show in 
before and with this having 

797
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,600
happened this week like. 
Yeah, but by that logic, like 

798
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:45,400
Eugene would never get a 
championship. 

799
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,960
Yeah, but I but I think like, 
you know, like I think it's got 

800
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,840
a yeah, it's got a because I 
think in like a championship in 

801
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:53,600
Europe. 
We know like with the way 

802
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,000
Budapest like works like, and, 
and that's the thing in Europe 

803
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,600
you can get everywhere by train.
It's very convenient. 

804
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,280
Like Europe just tends to be a 
little bit easier to kind of, 

805
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,440
you know, you get all the people
from all the European countries.

806
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,080
Like that's how Budapest was and
it and it worked so amazingly 

807
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,680
well. 
And the UK is still convenient 

808
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:15,200
enough from Europe, but it's 
still like London is still not 

809
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,600
as convenient as as Munich or 
all right. 

810
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,280
I've never been to Rome. 
I've been to Munich very briefly

811
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,040
for Oktoberfest but never really
explored, so I'd love one of 

812
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:29,800
those two. 
I've obvious I've been to London

813
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:34,680
a couple times, went to Kenya 
once, so I guess I'll root for 

814
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:36,480
one of the cities I've I haven't
been to. 

815
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,680
Yeah, I'm a bit 50, torn on 
London because I I really don't.

816
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,200
I live on. 
It'd be so convenient for you. 

817
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:43,920
No, it would not be. 
That's the problem. 

818
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,080
I live on the opposite side of 
London to the stadium so it 

819
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,880
would take me an hour and a hour
1 1/2 to get to the stadium and 

820
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,360
back each way like every day 
right? 

821
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:54,160
Oh, come on, Pre, we'll. 
Get We'll get you a hotel. 

822
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:57,240
Yeah, as in if you guys are 
front in the hotel like I'm as 

823
00:46:57,280 --> 00:47:00,720
in I don't, I personally, I'm 
not paying £250 a night for a 

824
00:47:00,720 --> 00:47:03,840
hotel in London. 
That, that's my, that's the, 

825
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,760
that's the. 
We'll we'll pick that one up, 

826
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,680
but all right, so other quick 
hits. 

827
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,880
So we touched women's 800, men's
800. 

828
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,840
The story there is Mark English,
right, probably gone. 

829
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,960
He's got so many European 
medals, but he never got a gold 

830
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:19,680
right. 
And you know, he's someone 

831
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,040
who's, yeah, been around. 
People always try and age him 

832
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:24,960
out as he's about to retire just
because you've got the grey 

833
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:25,960
hair. 
The grey hair. 

834
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,480
The grey. 
Hair does it, but bless it. 

835
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:29,960
He's not that old. 
And like, obviously we know 

836
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:32,120
there were so many commentators 
that seem to like retire 

837
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:36,800
athletes on CFA, but you know, 
he's he's he's coming into his 

838
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,680
best shape. 
He's 142 is fastest in the in 

839
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,320
the field. 
But also Max Bergen looks a 

840
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,640
little bit more like himself. 
So hopefully I think he had a 

841
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,720
virus, which is why he was, you 
know, at the start of a virus, 

842
00:47:49,720 --> 00:47:51,800
he said. 
So he that's why he kind of 

843
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,760
struggled in the semi finals. 
The Commonwealth Games didn't 

844
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,880
make final. 
So hopefully we do get a big a, 

845
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:02,800
a good, good final there in in 
in the men's 800. 

846
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,480
But yeah, I think the semis are 
tomorrow. 

847
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,800
Women's 1500 Georgia Hunter 
Bell, have you favorite in this 

848
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:16,000
one after World indoor gold 
medal, Commonwealth Games gold 

849
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,320
medal, I mean this, she'll try 
and add a third one here. 

850
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:25,240
So she's the clear favorite. 
Men's 1500, great rematch from 

851
00:48:25,240 --> 00:48:28,440
worlds, you got Isaac Nader 
versus Jake Whiteman. 

852
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,320
I'll take Whiteman in that one 
just 'cause, you know, although 

853
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,040
he's just been overshadowed in 
each, I think of the last couple

854
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,560
races, obviously 'cause he has 
put together some good 

855
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,560
performances. 
It just so happens that if it's 

856
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,120
in the Bowerman Mile, there's 
someone finishing ahead of him. 

857
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,120
If it's at the at the London 
Diamond League Mile, there's 

858
00:48:47,200 --> 00:48:51,040
Josh is finishing ahead of him. 
But Jake has been stringing 

859
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,880
together a really good season. 
Yeah, he has been. 

860
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:58,040
I mean, I think he did say at 
Commonwealth that he had like he

861
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,920
ran that 1000 meters in Monaco 
and he then pulled out of the 

862
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:05,920
Diamond League the week after 
and he was suffering a little. 

863
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,800
Bit it all mixed up. 
It was calm games, yeah. 

864
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,520
Yeah, so he, he, he, you know, 
he didn't, he tried to go with 

865
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,280
Josh and that maybe costumer 
model medal at the Commonwealth 

866
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:18,560
Games. 
And yeah, we we just need to see

867
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,960
if he is fully recovered. 
Like he was never going to miss 

868
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:25,360
the Commonwealth Games, but 
whether he was 100% given like 

869
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,280
how good he looked earlier on in
the season, whether he's 100% 

870
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:31,520
back to that level or not is, is
I think what will determine 

871
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,440
whether he wins or, or, you 
know, as in with a good chance 

872
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:36,680
of a win. 
But I think he will still end up

873
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:39,320
on the podium in this field. 
As I say, Habs. 

874
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:42,000
And yeah, there's obviously a 
couple of other guys in the mix.

875
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:46,240
But I, yeah, I think it, we 
hope, we hope to see a good 

876
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:47,640
matchup between those two 
medalists. 

877
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:52,680
Going up in distance, men's 10K,
you got Gressier versus Almgren,

878
00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:55,600
so Gressier who missed out on a 
medal, now Almgren coming in 

879
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:58,280
fresh. 
On the women's side, it's Nadia 

880
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:02,760
Batacliti who did the double, 
you know, at the last European 

881
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,360
Championships trying to do that 
again. 

882
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,120
I'm kind of surprised. 
Like, no, no woman in history 

883
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,680
has done the European 5K10K 
double back-to-back global 

884
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,680
championships for gold that 
you'd think like Saffan Asan 

885
00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:15,800
would have done that at some 
point. 

886
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,360
But no, it Batacliti with a 
chance here to make history. 

887
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,240
Yeah, absolutely. 
And like she, she did win the 

888
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:24,240
1500 and 5K European 
Championships. 

889
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:27,160
She'd like looked a bit I'll she
was ill when she was at Rome 

890
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,400
Diamond League, which is when we
saw her kind of last on a more 

891
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:32,640
international stage and she 
didn't perform that well. 

892
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:37,080
So there were some concerns. 
But it looks like she is OK from

893
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,880
what we're hearing. 
So she's fully expected to be 

894
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,680
heavy favorite. 
She's definitely a very heavy 

895
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,720
favorite. 
The 5K, which is tonight the 

896
00:50:43,720 --> 00:50:46,600
10K. 
There's Clara Lukan, who's the 

897
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,440
only European to ever 1 sub 30 
but on the road. 

898
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:52,120
I know that name. 
We've we've crunched enough 10K.

899
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:55,600
Rankings with her indeed. 
And then Maureen Costa and 

900
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:57,960
there's a couple of others 
who've run really well this year

901
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,040
over 10K Obviously Megan Keith 
is in that race. 

902
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,520
So I I think the 10K is slightly
more competitive than the 5K, 

903
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,960
but and especially because 
Batacluti will be doubling back.

904
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,800
But I think even then, I think 
Batacluti heavy favorite in both

905
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:15,560
of those. 
Yeah. 

906
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:18,720
All right. 
So those are the distance races 

907
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:21,440
taking place at the European 
Championships. 

908
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,000
All right, I think it's time. 
We're 40 minutes and we got to 

909
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:28,800
address the bad news. 
The bad news of the week is a 

910
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:32,520
bombshell that fell yesterday. 
And one thing that has been 

911
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:36,320
interesting, and I think I noted
this in our group chat is that 

912
00:51:37,080 --> 00:51:40,760
AIU has been real quiet. 
It has been way over a month 

913
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,480
since the Athletics Integrity 
Unit has announced any 

914
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,280
suspension on their Twitter 
account. 

915
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:52,160
And that means less graphics 
being posted from us. 

916
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:56,880
And I suspect what that means, 
and they haven't come out and 

917
00:51:56,880 --> 00:52:02,240
said this, is that they're going
to move towards more of the 

918
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:08,240
USADA approach. 
And that is to see the whole 

919
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:13,760
appeals process through before 
announcing a suspension, which a

920
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,360
lot of people don't like, right?
Like a lot of people prefer that

921
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,800
we have no knowledge of a 
provisional suspension for an 

922
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,880
athlete. 
And even sometimes those take a 

923
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:28,160
little bit of a while. 
And then from there, you know, 

924
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:32,120
they get the sanction later on. 
We haven't had any provisional 

925
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,200
suspensions announced lately. 
And there I guess hasn't been, 

926
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:39,040
you know, the AIU coming out and
saying, hey, we've shift shifted

927
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:42,440
how we're going about our public
relations when it comes to these

928
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,640
suspensions. 
But that's my suspicion unless 

929
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,400
they're cooking up something 
huge. 

930
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,320
That's what I think is is 
happening here. 

931
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:53,160
And so the announcement that 
came yesterday came by way of 

932
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,280
the United States Anti Doping 
Agency. 

933
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,760
It was not the AIU. 
So you saw it announced that 

934
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:02,720
Jonakowicz has accepted a 
three-year ban after his 

935
00:53:02,720 --> 00:53:06,480
athlete, Biological Passport 
returned an adverse passport 

936
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,760
finding. 
When they look at samples from 

937
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:15,960
July 30th, 2025, the day before 
his prelim at the 2025 US 

938
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:23,280
Championship and August 8th. 
And the values and the findings 

939
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:28,680
there were consistent with blood
doping, according to an expert 

940
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:30,960
that they tapped to review 
everything. 

941
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:34,920
And so the standard suspension 
when someone is blood doping is 

942
00:53:34,920 --> 00:53:38,640
4 years. 
He gets 3 because he signed, you

943
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:42,040
know, the paperwork that they 
hand over when you have to admit

944
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:46,520
any wrongdoing or choose to 
contest and appeal the 

945
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:48,160
suspension. 
So he accepted it. 

946
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,800
And so he gets three years. 
So now he's out until, you know,

947
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:55,200
I think July 2029. 
So he's out through the this 

948
00:53:55,200 --> 00:54:00,280
upcoming Olympic cycle. 
So as a result of all that, 

949
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:05,200
Jonah Kovic is stripped of his 
US title from last year, where 

950
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,800
he ran 3/30/17. 
If you remember that race, it 

951
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:15,840
was crazy finish where he 
dropped A529 for the final 400, 

952
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:23,720
running in like lane 2 and close
in 12.49 seconds for the final 

953
00:54:23,720 --> 00:54:25,840
100 meters. 
He hadn't raced in the two 

954
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,080
months leading into that one 
because he'd had some sort of 

955
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,960
hamstring tightness or injury 
that had popped up after a 

956
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:33,840
couple of the Diamond League 
races. 

957
00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:38,240
He won, and it really announced 
himself at the Robot Diamond 

958
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:42,680
League last May, and he won that
race. 

959
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:47,360
That was a pretty crazy 1. 
And so now it just sort of makes

960
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:51,280
a bit more sense when at the 
moment everyone starts to think 

961
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,200
like, oh, this dude came out of 
nowhere. 

962
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,160
He really didn't necessarily 
come out of nowhere because he 

963
00:54:57,160 --> 00:55:03,400
was, you know, a solid 815 guy 
at UTAP and then at Texas Tech 

964
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:09,520
graduates joins the US Army, 
becomes AUS, you know, gets US 

965
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,880
citizenship Allegiant his his 
allegiance switch happens in 

966
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:17,840
2021 in time for him to compete 
at the 2024 out of the 2021 US 

967
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:22,480
Olympic Trials finishes I think 
in the semis of that one. 

968
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:26,600
But the following year makes 
Team USA competes at the 2022 

969
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:30,280
World Championships in the 800, 
gets bounced in the first round 

970
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:33,360
or advances through the first 
round but then disqualified for 

971
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:38,960
jostling and making contact with
another athlete. 2023 doesn't 

972
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:43,240
really have that good of a year.
2024 finishes 5th at the US 

973
00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:47,880
Olympic Trials and then 2025 is 
this monster year that he puts 

974
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,120
together. 
But he does PR in the 800, runs 

975
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:53,440
143, and then runs 3:30 in the 
1500. 

976
00:55:55,600 --> 00:56:00,680
A problem I guess that has been 
pointed out now is that USADA, 

977
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:03,240
the testing has is pretty 
public. 

978
00:56:03,240 --> 00:56:05,960
And we noted this I guess in 
this little write up that I did 

979
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,320
for the site on what you should 
know kind of about this whole 

980
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,280
case is that he was tested just 
one time in 2022. 

981
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,520
Presumably that's around the 
time that he made the World 

982
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:17,840
Championship team or competed at
the World Championships. 

983
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:24,320
Was not tested at all in 2023, 
not tested at all in 2024. 

984
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:30,240
And then you get, I believe it 
was like 9 tests in Q3 of 2025. 

985
00:56:30,560 --> 00:56:34,640
And that's where you saw that, 
you know, is starting to build 

986
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:39,840
this biological passport for 
Jonah Kovich and why it has 

987
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:44,360
taken so long for them to come 
down on him for this. 

988
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:48,960
And so he probably wasn't in the
World Athletics testing pool. 

989
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,480
So maybe that limited just sort 
of the number of tests that 

990
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:55,720
World Athletics or the AIU was 
able to conduct within the last 

991
00:56:55,720 --> 00:56:58,760
couple years. 
But still, like that is not a 

992
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:03,160
whole lot of testing for someone
who was at the world stage in 

993
00:57:03,160 --> 00:57:09,800
2022. 
So it's it's really dismaying 

994
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:14,440
because you know, Ethan Strand 
should have is now the US 

995
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,840
champion from last year. 
If when you remove Jonah Kovic 

996
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:22,720
from the results, that would 
have been Strands first national

997
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,160
title. 
He had just turned pro and 

998
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:27,720
signed with Nike. 
Who knows if there would have 

999
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:30,520
been a national title bonus in 
that contract or if you would 

1000
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,520
have held out. 
Could he have gotten more money 

1001
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,240
for being the US 1500 national 
champion? 

1002
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,880
Potentially. 
But then, you know, you continue

1003
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:40,400
to go down the list. 
Cole Hawker gets elevated from 

1004
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,440
3rd to 2nd. 
And the toughest pill to swallow

1005
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:47,720
is Hobbs Kessler, who was fifth 
at the Tokyo or that was fifth 

1006
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,480
at the Paris Olympics in 2024. 
This is out on a chance to 

1007
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:55,840
compete at the 2025 World 
Championships in Tokyo because 

1008
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,520
someone ahead of him, you know, 
was doping at the time. 

1009
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,960
And Hobbs is really good. 
We've seen that this year. 

1010
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:06,120
We saw we've seen it last year 
and the year before. 

1011
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:10,160
He's also still super young and 
we just didn't get a chance to 

1012
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:13,480
see what he would have been 
capable of in in Tokyo. 

1013
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:18,160
So that's the part that is 
heartbreaking. 

1014
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,080
On Instagram Stories, Hobbs 
posted about it, called it a 

1015
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,520
bummer for everyone and 
apologized to Ethan Strand 

1016
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:27,520
because that moment was taken 
from him. 

1017
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:31,040
And Strand, I think, didn't say 
much, posted a photo of both him

1018
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:37,160
and Hobbs Kessler on the track. 
So yeah, I mean, this was it's 

1019
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:40,160
a, it's a, it's a bombshell of a
case. 

1020
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:47,680
Not shocking I would say, but 
also it gives us all the clarity

1021
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:50,040
on like, where the hell has 
Jonah Kovich been this whole 

1022
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,360
entire time? 
I mean, turns out he was 

1023
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,080
provisionally suspended back in 
July and was caught red handed 

1024
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:01,080
for some wrongdoing in 2025. 
Who was your reaction to the 

1025
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:02,320
news? 
Yeah. 

1026
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:05,080
I mean, I I had like two or 
three kind of main like thoughts

1027
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,560
about this, right? 
I think obviously, yeah, you 

1028
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,920
know, the the what you said 
about Hobbs and and Ethan Strand

1029
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,000
and you know, that that kind of 
whole impact on US championships

1030
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:18,000
and the way the the qualifying 
system works, which means that 

1031
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:22,520
Hobbs Kessler missed out on 
going to Tokyo to Tokyo is is 

1032
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,360
really unfortunate. 
But I think just just stepping 

1033
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,360
back a little bit, I think 
there's two or three things that

1034
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:31,360
that that kind of really stick 
out to me. 

1035
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:33,800
One is obviously the the lack of
testing, right? 

1036
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:37,840
He was a 144 guy. 
He wasn't like a bad runner and 

1037
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,640
they he was injured and they 
didn't test him in the whole of 

1038
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,560
2023. 
But that is the whole point. 

1039
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:47,080
You should be testing athletes 
of a certain caliber, even when 

1040
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,280
they're injured, right? 
Like that, that should be a part

1041
00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:53,000
and parcel of the game. 
And, and you know, he came fifth

1042
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,680
at the Olympic trials in 2024. 
So you'd have expected him to 

1043
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,440
have been tested in 2024 as 
well. 

1044
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:02,080
And maybe, you know, there is an
issue obviously with funding for

1045
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:05,480
testing that he wasn't kind of a
level, he wasn't necessarily 

1046
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,160
racing that much internationally
such that he he was in the sort 

1047
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:13,080
of ARU testing pool. 
So, but he should have been, 

1048
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,280
you'd hoped that he'd be 
sufficiently on the radar of 

1049
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,720
USADA. 
But the problem is like now. 

1050
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:23,680
You know, post, you know, 2024 
onwards, 144 guys or a dime a 

1051
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:25,040
dozen, there's millions of them,
right? 

1052
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,680
Like it's, it's it's, which 
makes it a little bit trickier 

1053
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:31,040
to say, like, how do you? 
Put and more expensive. 

1054
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:34,800
It's yeah, it's very expensive 
to to test all these cars, but I

1055
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,720
think that I'm surprised that he
went to the World Championships,

1056
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:42,400
yet he was only testing what Now
one thing to know is that 

1057
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:47,240
countries that are on a watch 
list for doping, like Kenya, but

1058
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,200
they are required. 
There are these and Nigeria. 

1059
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,200
I think there's a couple of 
others where the athletes like, 

1060
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:54,800
if athletes want to compete at 
the World Championships or the 

1061
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,840
Olympics, they have to be tested
a certain number of times, 

1062
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,280
minimum times in like a six. 
Or a minimum of three. 

1063
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:06,040
And if people go back to 2021 at
the at the Olympics, this is the

1064
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,400
reason Zuhair Talbi was unable 
to compete even though he was in

1065
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:14,000
Tokyo for those Olympics is 
because the Moroccan federation,

1066
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,400
and he's talked about this on 
this podcast, dropped the ball 

1067
01:01:16,680 --> 01:01:20,400
on ensuring that he had been 
tested at least three times in 

1068
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:23,600
the lead up to the Games. 
So it's definitely something 

1069
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:28,440
that has you can put some blame 
certainly on the federation's 

1070
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:29,920
for dropping the ball and that 
kind of stuff. 

1071
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,000
Sometimes, you know, and there's
an athlete, I think Zuhair has 

1072
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,400
talked about how he was 
insistent on them, you know, 

1073
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,560
making sure that they test him 
that often. 

1074
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,120
And so it's on them to carry out
the test. 

1075
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,040
But to your point, like, yeah, I
mean, because the United States 

1076
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,560
is not on that watch list, they 
don't necessarily need to have 

1077
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:49,520
check the box of three tests 
before they compete. 

1078
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:51,760
Yeah. 
But I think the the flip side of

1079
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,920
that is right. 
And, and obviously, yes, you can

1080
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,240
get like some of these 
breakthrough athletes as well. 

1081
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:57,960
Exactly right. 
Like a Cooper luck house. 

1082
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,160
Like, how much would he have 
been tested before the 2025 

1083
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,400
World Championships? 
There's there's a wrinkle to 

1084
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,200
some of the stuff, too. 
Yeah, yeah, exactly. 

1085
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,200
So there is, there is that issue
as well. 

1086
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,800
But but I think from the flip 
side of it, you kind of feel 

1087
01:02:09,800 --> 01:02:13,200
like people who have run that 
quick before should be within 

1088
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,880
the US, the USADA testing for 
the very least. 

1089
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,920
And if they are, they should be 
being tested even if they're not

1090
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,480
racing. 
And I think that kind of 

1091
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,040
highlights that issue with the 
system. 

1092
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:29,360
The second issue I think is 
obviously Jonah Koresh became 

1093
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,440
AUS citizen via he joined the 
Army. 

1094
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:35,560
He he, you know, transferred 
allegiance to the US and there's

1095
01:02:35,560 --> 01:02:38,560
been these recent change of 
allegiance rules, right, where 

1096
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:42,360
you're only allowed to have 10 
change, 10 athletes change 

1097
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:45,480
allegiance to your country 
within an Olympic cycle for 

1098
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,200
track and field. 
And within that you're only 

1099
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,520
allowed to have sort of one like
from a certain countries, like 

1100
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:55,480
whatever. 
But now you can see UUSATF are 

1101
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:56,520
going to have to make a 
decision. 

1102
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,960
There are loads of athletes who 
obviously do move to the US, 

1103
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:00,800
whether they come for the NCAA 
or whatever. 

1104
01:03:00,800 --> 01:03:03,360
And sometimes they, they get 
residency in the US through one 

1105
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:08,120
pass away or another. 
And you can see like in this 

1106
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:11,080
situation, you had an athlete 
who was part of a, he was 

1107
01:03:11,080 --> 01:03:14,320
sponsored by Under Armour. 
He was part of a training group,

1108
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,760
but he was obviously also 
training a lot back in Kenya, 

1109
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,360
like independently of the group.
Yeah, let me let me just add 

1110
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:23,760
some context there because it is
sort of important. 

1111
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,760
And some of this did come to 
light a couple months back when 

1112
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,080
Let's Run was trying to figure 
out where the hell is Jonah 

1113
01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:33,840
Kovich? 
And no one really knew, which 

1114
01:03:33,840 --> 01:03:39,520
was such a weird thing. 
So the UA Mission Run Baltimore 

1115
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:43,240
800 group, it was coached by Tom
Brumlich. 

1116
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:50,720
And he had said to Let's Run 
that Jonah Kovic was someone who

1117
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:53,800
kind of like came and went 
occasionally with the group, but

1118
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,280
for the most part would do his 
own thing. 

1119
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:01,960
Never really lived in Baltimore 
with this year in particular, 

1120
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:04,560
there was a couple team camps 
that were set up and he just 

1121
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,200
didn't show up. 
I don't even know if like the if

1122
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,920
the, you know, details probably 
were were shared with him or not

1123
01:04:10,920 --> 01:04:13,640
or if there was an open 
invitation, but totally ghosted 

1124
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,920
all of that. 
So Brumlich had no idea where 

1125
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,200
coach was. 
So then you check all right, 

1126
01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:21,800
well, when he's not training in 
Baltimore, but he's in the 

1127
01:04:21,800 --> 01:04:24,160
states. 
He was out in Colorado Springs, 

1128
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:30,800
and while he was there, 
typically Herron Lagat has been 

1129
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:34,160
someone who would oversee some 
of his training. 

1130
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:41,720
But even Aaron Lagat said that 
he had no idea where Koich was 

1131
01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:44,280
and just presumed that he was 
back in in Kenya. 

1132
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:48,000
Hadn't worked with him at all 
since the end of last year. 

1133
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:54,280
He worked with him in 2025, but 
not in in 2026. 

1134
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:58,560
So this dude just went ghost and
to my knowledge, no one's I I 

1135
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:02,280
haven't heard anything of where 
he's been this whole entire 

1136
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,280
time. 
But the detail that also isn't 

1137
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:09,680
clear is exactly like, because 
we don't know is like where 

1138
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:11,720
where he where he started 
doping. 

1139
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:15,280
If he did, he admitted to the 
fact that their blood doping was

1140
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,400
taking place. 
But was it in Kenya where he 

1141
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:21,200
does spend some time, you know, 
doing these training camps? 

1142
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:28,600
Very unlikely was in Baltimore 
or Colorado Springs like so we 

1143
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,920
we get this ruling from USADA. 
And then the other part that is 

1144
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:33,480
unclear is just sort of OK. 
He signs this paper where he 

1145
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,040
admits guilt, but what else did 
he share with investigators? 

1146
01:05:37,040 --> 01:05:40,880
And so you hope because you are 
taking a whole year off of this,

1147
01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,560
you know, four year sentence, 
you're hoping you're getting 

1148
01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:50,680
some sort of information that 
can go towards combating doping 

1149
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,320
in other parts. 
If unless like he's just this 

1150
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:57,360
rogue actor who went off on his 
own, like we've read about in 

1151
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:01,000
some of these AIU reports of 
like all he was in Kenya went 

1152
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,360
down to just like this pharmacy,
picked up the banned substance, 

1153
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,240
injected himself and then and 
that was that. 

1154
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,160
Like, that's sometimes the 
explanation we get, but 

1155
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:14,560
sometimes it could be a bit more
complex, a little bit more 

1156
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,520
strategic. 
And if you're going to take a 

1157
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:21,160
year off someone's doping 
sentence, you better be getting 

1158
01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:23,760
good information, not just sort 
of like, yeah, hand up, I did 

1159
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:24,360
it. 
That's it. 

1160
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,600
Like, I really don't think that 
there there should be more 

1161
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:31,640
nuances to the admission of 
guilt here, but we just don't 

1162
01:06:31,640 --> 01:06:32,760
know. 
Yeah. 

1163
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,160
And I think I mean the admission
of guilt piece like the way they

1164
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:37,720
do it is just to because it 
saves them a lot of money on the

1165
01:06:38,760 --> 01:06:40,480
appeals process and all that, 
right. 

1166
01:06:40,480 --> 01:06:43,200
So, yeah, I think that's the 
rationale for like offering a 

1167
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:47,360
meaningful reduction in the 
sentence to to kind of encourage

1168
01:06:47,360 --> 01:06:50,360
people to, to admit to it rather
than to try and get more 

1169
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,520
information. 
Although obviously we've seen in

1170
01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:55,480
other cases that corporation 
also gets you time off your your

1171
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:58,600
sentence. 
But I think the point I was 

1172
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:02,560
trying to make was USATF now 
have a choice of they have to 

1173
01:07:02,560 --> 01:07:07,040
decide who they want to allow to
transfer allegiance to the US. 

1174
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:11,880
And unfortunately for Kenyan 
athletes who like we've 

1175
01:07:11,880 --> 01:07:14,280
obviously got a lot of Kenyan 
athletes who come over to NCAA 

1176
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:18,520
and some of those may be trying 
to kind of go on that pathway. 

1177
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:23,640
You know, and I feel like this 
will this in particular is going

1178
01:07:23,640 --> 01:07:26,520
to make it like really be like, 
are USATF going to take that 

1179
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:31,600
risk now, especially with the 
context of like doping in Kenya 

1180
01:07:31,600 --> 01:07:35,840
more widely and then with the 
context of, you know, Jonah 

1181
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:38,720
Kovacs then being an athlete who
comes goes back and forth from 

1182
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:42,040
Kenya. 
And you know, that might be 

1183
01:07:42,040 --> 01:07:44,760
that, you know, it's an unfair 
brush to paint everyone with, 

1184
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:48,200
but you can see that that might 
be that where they're thinking 

1185
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:51,160
where they've only got a limited
number of people that they can 

1186
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:54,080
allow to transfer allegiance. 
They will want to make sure it's

1187
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:58,080
someone who is going to be fully
resident staying in the US 

1188
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:01,560
almost the entire time where 
they can kind of be fully part 

1189
01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:03,680
of a group. 
And even like this guy was part 

1190
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:07,200
of a group and they would still 
like, you know, able to, to, to 

1191
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:08,080
do this. 
Well, I guess like. 

1192
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,880
A part of a group, but then also
not part of the group like a. 

1193
01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:12,840
Yeah. 
We don't know all the details, 

1194
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,160
but I think yeah, there there 
there is that context to it that

1195
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,200
he was sponsored, he was part of
the group like that. 

1196
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,920
You'd have thought that there 
would be a bit more kind of 

1197
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:23,000
visibility on that. 
But even in that circumstance 

1198
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:28,120
that it, this happened, so I, I 
worry that it, it closes the 

1199
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,680
door for for potential Kenyan 
athletes you want to transfer, 

1200
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,319
because USATF will say we're not
going to take the risk. 

1201
01:08:33,319 --> 01:08:36,600
We'd rather have another athlete
from another country who might 

1202
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:39,279
be or might even not be from 
another country, but might have 

1203
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:42,479
kind of just represents another 
country because of the easier 

1204
01:08:42,479 --> 01:08:44,600
pathway to, to maybe make teams 
or something. 

1205
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:49,359
But is like a fully U.S. 
President born whatever athlete 

1206
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:50,880
or something like that. 
They, they, because there are 

1207
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,000
loads of people, I'm sure that 
want to transfer allegiance to 

1208
01:08:53,040 --> 01:08:56,720
the US. 
So I, I do worry that that that 

1209
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,240
comes into the picture. 
So I think that that's an issue 

1210
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:01,960
that that comes out of this. 
And I think it's just, yeah, 

1211
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,240
it's just really unfortunate. 
Ruined it for for future 

1212
01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:05,439
generations. 
Exactly. 

1213
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:07,560
And, and yeah, I think that's 
just really unfortunate. 

1214
01:09:07,560 --> 01:09:11,880
And yeah, I mean, it's something
that you don't want to see at 

1215
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:15,560
any level of the sport, but for 
someone to come and win US 

1216
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,920
champs in the way they did. 
The other thing is obviously a 

1217
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:22,479
late career kind of massive kind
of improvement, right? 

1218
01:09:22,880 --> 01:09:24,960
Like that. 
That's the kind of thing where, 

1219
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,160
you know, people always like 
behind the scenes. 

1220
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:29,760
People don't always say out 
loud, but people always have 

1221
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:34,200
questions when someone makes a 
massive improvement and suddenly

1222
01:09:34,200 --> 01:09:36,000
makes a massive improvement late
in their career. 

1223
01:09:36,800 --> 01:09:41,200
And I do think that this is a 
circumstance where like, that's 

1224
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,080
happened and it's then proven to
be too good to be true. 

1225
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,800
And unfortunately, again, that 
plays into a separate narrative 

1226
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,520
around those things, right? 
So it's it's unfortunate on so 

1227
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:54,840
many levels. 
And yeah, we can only hope that 

1228
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:59,120
like the testing and the kind of
policing and process around this

1229
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,240
stuff gets better. 
But it's just hard. 

1230
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,040
It's expensive to test the sheer
number of athletes that we have 

1231
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,280
to the extent that's needed to 
perhaps keep up with with 

1232
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,600
doping. 
Yeah, I'm sure. 

1233
01:10:11,200 --> 01:10:13,240
Well, hopefully it's not the 
last. 

1234
01:10:13,240 --> 01:10:15,920
We just sort of learn from this 
whole entire case again, like 

1235
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:21,800
the the missing details that are
out there, what Kowich admitted 

1236
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:27,960
to maybe who helped him in this 
process, why USADA hasn't 

1237
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,160
explained why they didn't test 
him for three years. 

1238
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:34,600
And then there's the also the 
part that gets murky is just 

1239
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:37,960
like why when his samples were 
flagged? 

1240
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:42,000
This could also be because 
results don't come back as 

1241
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,160
quick. 
But when you flag samples from 

1242
01:10:44,160 --> 01:10:47,720
July and August in 2025, he 
still went out and competed at 

1243
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:50,600
the World Championships in 
September of 2025 and he 

1244
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:52,960
finished. 
That we do have some explanation

1245
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,600
of, right, because we have the 
explanation that they needed 

1246
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,880
more samples to build up a 
biological passport profile 

1247
01:10:59,240 --> 01:11:02,240
because he didn't test positive 
for a banned substance. 

1248
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:06,120
No, yeah, and. 
Blood doping is where you have a

1249
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,760
This is old school doping. 
Where old blood? 

1250
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:13,080
Yeah, blood fusions, which kind 
of then improve your you know 

1251
01:11:13,080 --> 01:11:16,560
oxygen and like is it the same 
effect as EPO effectively, but 

1252
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:22,040
by just having fresh blood put 
in and so you know it's it's 

1253
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:26,000
very old school doping it but. 
You put it nicely in our in our 

1254
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:27,560
group chat. 
You're like blood getting caught

1255
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,720
blood doping in 20. 26 This is. 
Why? 

1256
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:32,840
Exactly. 
Like, I mean, but I think, yeah,

1257
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,080
it's one of the things where you
don't technically test positive,

1258
01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:36,520
right? 
Because all you've done is had a

1259
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:40,600
blood transfusion affected. 
But I, I just think that, yeah, 

1260
01:11:41,480 --> 01:11:47,160
yeah, we, we just have to. 
But I think, yeah, they had to 

1261
01:11:47,520 --> 01:11:50,280
get more samples. 
And therefore, and this is not 

1262
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:52,680
something where you can slam 
dunk, say, OK, one off test, 

1263
01:11:52,760 --> 01:11:55,160
this is what happened. 
So they had to give it a proof 

1264
01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:58,080
to make it slam dunk enough that
they could then charge him and 

1265
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,200
go to him and say, you've been 
doing this, you really have. 

1266
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:02,560
And he's obviously then admitted
to it. 

1267
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,000
But they obviously had to have 
enough evidence. 

1268
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,800
And that takes time, and it is a
little. 

1269
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:09,200
Unfortunate. 
I mean it's their problem was 

1270
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:11,560
they didn't test them at all in 
2024 to have more. 

1271
01:12:11,560 --> 01:12:12,440
Samples. 
Samples, yeah. 

1272
01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:14,840
Yeah, exactly. 
Crazy. 

1273
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,520
Well, so he ruined it if 
Emmanuel Caprono wants to switch

1274
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:27,320
allegiance to United States. 
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01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:30,320
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1298
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We're going to talk about the 
best performances from the World

1299
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:08,720
U20 Championships now and I 
think the craziest performance 

1300
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:16,200
was Emmanuel Cabrono soloing a 
championship record 728 to win 

1301
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:22,680
gold in the men's 3K. 
The U20 world record is by Yomi 

1302
01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:26,440
Kajelcha and he missed it by 
point O 9 seconds. 

1303
01:14:27,480 --> 01:14:32,920
I mean he just absolutely took 
off in 226 for the first K 355 

1304
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:38,240
for the 1st 1600 and dominated 
this whole entire field, soloed 

1305
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:41,400
the whole entire thing. 
If there's one race to go out 

1306
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:45,160
and on YouTube and try and find 
to rewatch, it's probably this 

1307
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:48,080
one. 
To me, like this was the 

1308
01:14:48,480 --> 01:14:51,640
craziest performance of the U20 
championships. 

1309
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:56,240
Yeah, I mean, absolutely wild. 
But like performance and yeah, I

1310
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,560
think we've, I think people have
been saying, like Jakob has 

1311
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:01,760
said, and I think there's all 
the discussion around Jakob 

1312
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:07,200
Paris, you know, Olympic final 
was he went out too hard going 

1313
01:15:07,200 --> 01:15:12,040
out in a 54 in a 1500 and this 
guy goes out in 55 in a three in

1314
01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:15,000
the second lap of a 3K and still
managing second lap. 

1315
01:15:15,240 --> 01:15:18,360
Yeah, second lap of a 3K and 
manages to run 728. 

1316
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:25,960
So like hugely like wild way to 
do it and yeah, I mean it looks 

1317
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:28,920
like and I and I think the 
suggestion is he is not you 

1318
01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:32,000
know, as much of his offer, the 
suspicion he is genuinely in 

1319
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:34,360
high school. 
He's not like a, you know, 

1320
01:15:34,880 --> 01:15:37,120
overrage athlete or anything 
like the issues we had with with

1321
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:39,440
some of the Ethiopian athletes 
like last year we discovered 

1322
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:44,280
from previous world U 20s. 
But you know, he's, he's a, he's

1323
01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:46,360
the real deal. 
And yeah, it'll be exciting to 

1324
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:47,880
see what what you can do going 
forward. 

1325
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:52,600
I do appreciate that the media 
kept Jacob's interview at at 

1326
01:15:52,600 --> 01:15:56,400
Europeans to just solely him 
breaking down and and analysing,

1327
01:15:56,440 --> 01:15:59,800
you know, his performance and 
the race and just sort of the 

1328
01:15:59,800 --> 01:16:01,480
injury come back. 
But there were just sort of 

1329
01:16:01,480 --> 01:16:03,640
three misses unlike 
performances. 

1330
01:16:03,640 --> 01:16:05,640
I would love to hear his opinion
on one. 

1331
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,080
Is Emmanuel Cabrono running this
fast time? 

1332
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:13,280
No one asked him about Josh 
Kerr's mile world record, to my 

1333
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:16,560
surprise. 
Like usually those two are just 

1334
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,280
always asked about. 
I'm, I'm, I am surprised 

1335
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:21,480
actually, to be fair that like 
the papers because they we were 

1336
01:16:21,480 --> 01:16:23,520
all in the same interview, like 
we had the British papers like 

1337
01:16:23,520 --> 01:16:24,560
the main journalist. 
And no one. 

1338
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:26,280
Asked and no one asked. 
I was just surprised because 

1339
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:28,680
they're normally the guys that 
will ask the questions that they

1340
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,640
know might annoy him a little 
bit, but but obviously could 

1341
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:33,040
give us an interesting sound 
bite. 

1342
01:16:33,040 --> 01:16:35,480
But no one did. 
And obviously I also wanted to 

1343
01:16:35,480 --> 01:16:37,520
ask him about whether he's going
to compete at while Ultimates 

1344
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,200
and stuff like that. 
And we we didn't ask him that 

1345
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:41,360
either, so. 
And then the the final 

1346
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:46,400
performance is this Stroll I. 
Know you were, Curly asked that 

1347
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:48,080
question. 
I didn't want to get laughed out

1348
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:51,720
of the interview or or get 
burned to a crisp by him like 

1349
01:16:52,120 --> 01:16:55,600
razor, like laser eyes like I 
was. 

1350
01:16:57,240 --> 01:16:59,480
I was not ready for that. 
Yeah. 

1351
01:16:59,480 --> 01:17:03,960
So this Stroller mile world 
record, which I do want to talk 

1352
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,160
about just very briefly. 
We'll get back to to you 20s in 

1353
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:10,040
a second. 
So Stephen Biebelhausen was 

1354
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:17,240
pushing his one year old who was
absolutely kicking her legs the 

1355
01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:20,840
whole entire time. 
So shout out baby Blake at this 

1356
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,920
is this all took place at the 
Guardian Mile on Saturday in 

1357
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:26,440
Cleveland. 
We streamed the races and I'm 

1358
01:17:26,440 --> 01:17:29,760
glad that Mack chose to stream 
the Masters and stroller Mile as

1359
01:17:29,760 --> 01:17:33,960
a way to kind of test out the 
stream because we would have we 

1360
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:36,080
wouldn't have seen this 
performance had he not done 

1361
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:38,800
that. 
And so Steven ends up running 

1362
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:44,640
417.7. 
That's 9 seconds faster than the

1363
01:17:44,880 --> 01:17:47,880
mile on the track. 
I think that the Guinness Book 

1364
01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:50,080
of World Records recognizes as a
world record. 

1365
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:54,760
I think because of the nature of
the bridge in the downhill, I 

1366
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:57,920
don't necessarily know if it 
will meet world athletic 

1367
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:01,520
standards for a mile world 
record, but nonetheless, it is 

1368
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,240
the fastest mile ever run while 
pushing a stroller. 

1369
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:08,440
And I mean, it's gone super 
viral. 

1370
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:11,320
Washington Post has an article 
up today. 

1371
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:15,080
I saw it aggregated in so many 
different places. 

1372
01:18:15,280 --> 01:18:18,440
You know, tons of views on on 
our Instagram. 

1373
01:18:18,440 --> 01:18:23,920
I think it was also on Fox News.
They were discussing it as well.

1374
01:18:25,080 --> 01:18:29,800
But the thing that I think I 
texted in our group chat is that

1375
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:35,840
you can make a case that Josh 
Kerr called a shot that he would

1376
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,440
break the mile world record. 
At the London Diamond League 

1377
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,560
and, you know, ballsy, awesome, 
epic. 

1378
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:47,040
However, maybe that's not as 
hard as trying to run. 

1379
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:51,800
The Stroller Mile World record 
because unless you're borrowing 

1380
01:18:51,880 --> 01:18:54,600
someone's baby, which requires a
lot of. 

1381
01:18:54,600 --> 01:19:00,240
Trust from another parent and 
you want a baby that is perfect 

1382
01:19:00,240 --> 01:19:03,280
size for a stroller and to, you 
know, run this record. 

1383
01:19:03,600 --> 01:19:09,080
Then you need to not just, you 
know, pick a date and time to, 

1384
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:13,600
you know, run this record 
attempt, but you need to have 

1385
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:17,240
the time the baby's birth. 
Then you need the baby's growth 

1386
01:19:17,240 --> 01:19:22,240
curve to peak at the exact right
moment because if it's too 

1387
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:25,440
early, then the baby doesn't 
have any neck strength and 

1388
01:19:25,440 --> 01:19:30,960
you're not going to be able to 
have a baby safely in the 

1389
01:19:31,000 --> 01:19:32,720
stroller or they're maybe too 
small. 

1390
01:19:32,720 --> 01:19:37,560
You don't want to run that risk 
and if it's too late then you're

1391
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:43,120
pushing too heavy of a baby. 
So you really need the perfect 

1392
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:48,560
race to line up with the perfect
fitness and in addition to that 

1393
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:51,520
the babies development and 
fitness. 

1394
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:57,760
So more variables, potentially 
tougher to try and go after that

1395
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:02,280
record, maybe 417 lasts longer 
than. 

1396
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,520
Hisham, Al Guru's record said. 
But although I think the 

1397
01:20:06,520 --> 01:20:10,200
Guardian miles should lean a 
little bit more into the 

1398
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:13,160
stroller mile, especially when 
they, you know, just delivered 

1399
01:20:13,160 --> 01:20:15,600
this epic performance. 
Colby Alexander, former 

1400
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:19,520
professional runner, was second 
in 431 so. 

1401
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,200
This could be a good. 
Fun opportunity for pros to go 

1402
01:20:23,200 --> 01:20:26,600
out to Cleveland and run on the 
Memorial Bridge. 

1403
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,440
Clock a fast time and maybe this
record trades hands, but if not 

1404
01:20:30,440 --> 01:20:33,000
then like you need a lot of 
things to line up to try and 

1405
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:36,560
break 417. 
So that's my little aside on the

1406
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:40,800
Stroller Mile world record, 
which I've just been enamoured 

1407
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:42,800
and fascinated. 
With over the last couple days. 

1408
01:20:43,680 --> 01:20:46,560
Did it make? 
Did it make I I'm still just 

1409
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:50,120
sort of disappointed he didn't 
ask Yakim about it because his 

1410
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:52,560
kid, I think, is at the right 
side. 

1411
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:54,760
Yeah, I think they're at the 
right side. 

1412
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:56,640
You should. 
Tag his wife because his wife 

1413
01:20:56,640 --> 01:20:59,480
commented on one of our posts 
which was quite funny about 

1414
01:20:59,480 --> 01:21:02,240
Yakim. 
So maybe just tag his wife and 

1415
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:06,880
say get Yakim to do this because
she might actually respond and 

1416
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:10,440
that'll be fun. 
But I I as in, yeah, I mean, I'm

1417
01:21:10,440 --> 01:21:12,520
worried about the stroller. 
Like what if the stroller it's 

1418
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:13,880
got to be the right stroller as 
well. 

1419
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:14,880
Like it's got to be able to go 
the. 

1420
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:20,160
Memorial Bridge appears to be 
very well paved and there was 

1421
01:21:20,440 --> 01:21:22,600
maybe next year. 
That's a safety precaution. 

1422
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:24,880
You require all the the babies 
to wear helmets. 

1423
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:28,080
Yeah, it does feel like that, 
that that needs to be a cause. 

1424
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,040
What? 
If this baby was having the time

1425
01:21:30,040 --> 01:21:35,200
of their life, and I do got to 
say what elevates the video is 

1426
01:21:35,200 --> 01:21:38,160
also the commentary by Daniel 
Wynne, Eric Jenkins and Johnny 

1427
01:21:38,160 --> 01:21:40,360
Grigoric. 
They were fantastic on the on 

1428
01:21:40,360 --> 01:21:44,560
the mic for that race. 
And so, yeah, so good. 

1429
01:21:44,560 --> 01:21:49,040
So, yeah, maybe we'll see that 
baby competing at U 20S in about

1430
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:54,480
19 years or so, so or let me 
know, maybe even less than that.

1431
01:21:54,480 --> 01:22:02,800
So, OK, tangent done U 20's. the
US finished with 24 medals, 12 

1432
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:04,920
gold. 
The breakout stars were Tay 

1433
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:07,520
Taylor. 
He swept, you know, needed 

1434
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:15,760
triple gold where he won the 100
in 994, the 200 in 1983 and 

1435
01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:21,000
anchored the four by one. 
He also had Mia Maxwell. 

1436
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:24,720
She swept the 100 and 200. 
LA Ezra Brown. 

1437
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:30,680
He was fantastic in the 110 
hurdles, ran 1283 in the first 

1438
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:35,480
round and then came back and ran
1272 to tie Sasha Zoya's World 

1439
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:41,000
U20 record. 
The caveat to remember is that 

1440
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:46,200
the hurdle heights are a little 
bit lower at the U20 level than 

1441
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:47,960
in. 
The. 

1442
01:22:47,960 --> 01:22:52,000
Senior level and then I you know
what? 

1443
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:56,200
The other great performance that
I want to highlight is Claire 

1444
01:22:56,200 --> 01:22:59,520
Stagall. 
At least like from a Team USA. 

1445
01:22:59,760 --> 01:23:05,840
Standpoint so she finished 
second in the women's 1500 

1446
01:23:06,200 --> 01:23:13,320
Kenya's Josephine Sambayu Mancha
won but they this race went out 

1447
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:21,040
in 78 for the first lap and then
you I I'm watching Claire 

1448
01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:25,720
Stagall closely because she's 
just been a fantastic racer over

1449
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:31,320
the last couple months won the 
U20 championships didn't have 

1450
01:23:31,320 --> 01:23:37,040
before that didn't have the best
NCAA's but I'm choosing to look 

1451
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,760
past that. 
Then at the US championships I 

1452
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:43,720
think was 5th place as well 
against you know the pros in a 

1453
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:50,440
race that also came down to a 
kick and yeah so she's run four 

1454
01:23:50,440 --> 01:23:53,280
O 5 so far this season. 
A lot of people that doesn't 

1455
01:23:53,920 --> 01:23:57,240
with all these crazy fast times 
that people are running it 

1456
01:23:57,240 --> 01:23:59,120
doesn't really move folks all 
that much. 

1457
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:03,080
But the biggest takeaways is 
that Claire Segall is such a 

1458
01:24:03,080 --> 01:24:05,720
good racer. 
Just when it looks like she's 

1459
01:24:05,720 --> 01:24:11,560
about to get dropped with a lap 
to go she responds and hung on 

1460
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:14,280
final 200 meter. 
I mean, close the final lap in 

1461
01:24:14,360 --> 01:24:23,760
60 seconds. 6073 fastest in the 
whole field last. 800 was 2O3 in

1462
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:25,360
the last. 
Couple years from the high 

1463
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:30,800
school ranks, everyone's gotten 
enamored by the success of the 

1464
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:34,440
likes of a Caitlin Toohey, Jane 
Hedegren. 

1465
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:41,840
You had Sadie Sadie Englehart 
never Paige Shepherd still in 

1466
01:24:41,840 --> 01:24:44,200
high school right now. 
But Claire has flown under the 

1467
01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:47,120
radar just completed her 
freshman year at the University 

1468
01:24:47,120 --> 01:24:49,880
of Florida. 
But before that, like she'd 

1469
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:53,200
signed her NIL with New Balance 
as a high school star. 

1470
01:24:53,200 --> 01:24:56,040
So we've, you know, she's been 
on our radar for a bit, was a 

1471
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:58,560
little bit banged up and 
injured, mostly focusing on the 

1472
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:03,000
800, but really has found her 
own here in the 1500 and will 

1473
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,400
certainly be someone to watch 
over the next couple years. 

1474
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:10,600
Just I think the the what she 
showcased so far and how she 

1475
01:25:10,600 --> 01:25:14,000
races is really, really 
encouraging. 

1476
01:25:14,480 --> 01:25:16,000
Yeah. 
And I think like we know that 

1477
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:19,360
like having that kick and that 
racing instinct is something 

1478
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:21,080
that's hard sometimes to 
develop. 

1479
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:24,720
But if you have that, you can, 
you know, as you mature, when 

1480
01:25:24,720 --> 01:25:27,520
you get more training and you 
you can build up to the faster 

1481
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:30,120
times. 
So it's, it's very possible 

1482
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:32,720
that, you know, then if she's 
able to get down to four flats 

1483
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:37,160
and four fitness, then she's 
very, very competitive in AUS as

1484
01:25:37,640 --> 01:25:41,080
like to make teams and, and, 
and, and, and even like on the 

1485
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:42,640
world stage, getting through 
heats and stuff. 

1486
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:45,280
It's that's, that's kind of a 
skill set that you need. 

1487
01:25:45,280 --> 01:25:48,560
So definitely a very exciting 
prospect for the future. 

1488
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:50,840
Yeah, she's running. 
OK, so she's running four O 

1489
01:25:50,840 --> 01:25:56,520
4.59, second fastest American 
U20 behind Elise Cranny. 

1490
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:02,000
She's ahead of the likes of Mary
Kane, Jane Hennigan and this was

1491
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:05,800
the US is only second medal in 
the 1500 at the U20 

1492
01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:09,320
Championships. 
Christina Aragon won bronze back

1493
01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:15,760
in 2016 and the cool part is 
that Claire Stagall is in the 

1494
01:26:15,760 --> 01:26:19,600
right hands with coach Will 
Palmer based off of just what we

1495
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:23,280
know so far of of her training. 
She's a super low mileage 

1496
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,560
athlete. 
Paul Hoff Mahoney actually wrote

1497
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:30,320
a whole profile on Claire for 
the Alligator at the University 

1498
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:34,400
of Florida couple months back. 
But she runs about 20 miles a 

1499
01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:39,800
week, does work on the altar G, 
the elliptical, I presume the 

1500
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:42,600
arc trainer, if that's what 
worked for Parker Valley back in

1501
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:47,200
the day at UF. 
And given Claire's history of 

1502
01:26:47,200 --> 01:26:51,680
injuries in high school, it's 
more of a cautious approach to 

1503
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:55,280
her college development. 
And so it's working right now. 

1504
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:59,520
And if she's doing this off of, 
you know, 20 miles a week, it's 

1505
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:04,000
once that volume goes up, you 
know, safely over the next 

1506
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:07,080
couple years, she could be even 
better. 

1507
01:27:07,080 --> 01:27:10,240
So very, very cool. 
Was it, was there any other 

1508
01:27:10,240 --> 01:27:13,000
performance that really stood 
out to you from you 20s? 

1509
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,520
I mean, I, I think you have to 
give credit to, you know, the 

1510
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:19,800
obviously Shenoy Douglas of 
Jamaica as well, like she was 

1511
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:23,000
the other favorite coming in and
in terms of the sprints and, and

1512
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:24,200
she. 
Gary Carr too. 

1513
01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:26,120
So Jamaica's got their two big 
stars. 

1514
01:27:26,120 --> 01:27:29,840
Well, the US has Tate Taylor and
Mia Maxwell. 

1515
01:27:30,480 --> 01:27:32,840
Yeah, and they've got Gary 
Carter, Shenoy, Douglas Ranwell 

1516
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:35,400
as well. 
So I mean, I think the the the 

1517
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:38,320
U20 stars showed out. 
It shows like the future of that

1518
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:42,120
US Jamaica rivalry is in good 
hands with with with all of them

1519
01:27:42,760 --> 01:27:47,040
and and you know, and they are 
running times which are going to

1520
01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:49,480
be very quickly in the next 
couple of years competitive on 

1521
01:27:49,480 --> 01:27:51,840
the world level and Tate 
Taylor's already there and the 

1522
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,040
others are getting getting close
very quickly. 

1523
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:56,080
So but. 
Don't forget about Australia. 

1524
01:27:56,080 --> 01:27:57,240
Australia also had a great. 
Chance. 

1525
01:27:57,240 --> 01:27:59,160
Australia, yeah, Australia. 
I mean Australia. 

1526
01:27:59,560 --> 01:28:01,840
And if you think about it, 
Australia, like if you think 

1527
01:28:01,840 --> 01:28:04,880
someone who's at U20 level now 
is going to be at the peak of 

1528
01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:08,640
their career for Brisbane, you 
know, for the Brisbane Olympics 

1529
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:14,080
in what is it, 2032? 
So that is very exciting. 

1530
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:16,840
You know, you know, they're 
going to be 2425 years old for 

1531
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:19,680
the Brisbane Olympics. 
So they have a generation, 

1532
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:22,120
they've already got a generation
that's that's really strong. 

1533
01:28:22,120 --> 01:28:24,480
Like they obviously rule the 
roots at the Commonwealth Games 

1534
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:27,640
in track and field. 
And yeah, they're in. 

1535
01:28:28,240 --> 01:28:30,680
What? 
What? 

1536
01:28:30,680 --> 01:28:33,880
What phrase did you use? 
In track and field no no. 

1537
01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:36,640
No, you said ruled the. 
Roost ruled the roost. 

1538
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:39,160
Yeah, so like. 
OK, explain that one. 

1539
01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:43,840
Well, yeah, when you were like, 
so the, the, it's the chicken, 

1540
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,400
like a chicken coop, right? 
Like the king, like the rooster 

1541
01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:48,280
rules the rules the chicken 
coop. 

1542
01:28:48,640 --> 01:28:51,040
So that's the origin of the 
phrase. 

1543
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:52,600
So yeah. 
OK, I haven't heard that one. 

1544
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:54,880
There you go. 
I know we've been trying to find

1545
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,080
new phrases every time. 
So that's the one for this week 

1546
01:28:57,120 --> 01:28:58,160
then. 
So that's. 

1547
01:28:58,160 --> 01:28:59,920
One for this week. 
OK, I'll be using that one. 

1548
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:03,800
Yeah, so they, yeah, so they 
will the roster at Commonwealth 

1549
01:29:03,800 --> 01:29:06,240
Games and they they sort of did 
really well at U 20s as well. 

1550
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:10,560
And yeah, it's very exciting to 
see them kind of carry on that 

1551
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:17,400
momentum. 
Do you think Tay Taylor ends up 

1552
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:19,440
being one of the biggest stars 
from these championships? 

1553
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:24,600
Has it cooled the hype around 
Gout Gout? 

1554
01:29:25,920 --> 01:29:28,000
I don't think so because Gaga 
was injured. 

1555
01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:30,880
I mean, like there's there's 
nothing like obviously we would 

1556
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:34,000
have loved to seen the match up 
and I think it would have been 

1557
01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:39,280
exciting to watch. 
I think the height like, and I 

1558
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:42,920
think you have to realize that 
like when you have a star that's

1559
01:29:42,920 --> 01:29:46,440
not in the US, it's very 
different to a star overseas, 

1560
01:29:46,440 --> 01:29:48,160
right? 
And someone like Gaga, as long 

1561
01:29:48,160 --> 01:29:51,800
as he kind of comes back from 
injury next year, like I hope, I

1562
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:53,840
hope he's able to kind of 
overcome the injury because 

1563
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:55,840
that's obviously always the 
challenge, right when you're a 

1564
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:57,960
sprinter. 
And if you become injury prone. 

1565
01:29:57,960 --> 01:30:01,120
Then like we had Amy Hunt, who 
was basically gone for six years

1566
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:02,680
and then came back and won a 
world silver medal. 

1567
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:06,800
She was the world whatever you 
18 or you whatever it was world 

1568
01:30:06,800 --> 01:30:10,160
record holder for 200 meters. 
And then she, you know, 

1569
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:12,040
disappeared for a few years with
severe injuries. 

1570
01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:17,800
And like, if gout gout keeps up 
that level of momentum that he's

1571
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:22,400
got, having got the world U20 
record, like having kind of got 

1572
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:25,200
that profile in Australia, he's 
able to keep on performing and 

1573
01:30:25,560 --> 01:30:29,440
improving. 
I, I think it will be I, I don't

1574
01:30:29,440 --> 01:30:33,320
think you lose that momentum so 
easily when you don't have as 

1575
01:30:33,320 --> 01:30:37,000
many like especially big Sprint 
stars, right, like in Australia.

1576
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:42,080
And I think so that so I don't 
think that's the case. 

1577
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:45,400
I think Ted Taylor obviously 
will be a big star, but because 

1578
01:30:45,440 --> 01:30:48,200
the US already has a million 
Sprint stars, right? 

1579
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:52,440
Like is he going to over shadow 
Noah and Shikari unless he 

1580
01:30:52,440 --> 01:30:55,000
starts beating them? 
Probably not, right? 

1581
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,760
I think that's that's a 
different kind of ball game. 

1582
01:30:58,760 --> 01:31:02,640
Obviously he's beaten Tobogo, so
he's, he's, he's starting to 

1583
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:04,960
make a name for himself and like
with the times he's running, he 

1584
01:31:04,960 --> 01:31:07,760
could win diamond leagues. 
He could like he could establish

1585
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,840
himself at that like pro level 
quite quite well. 

1586
01:31:11,120 --> 01:31:13,800
But he's still then going to be 
playing second fiddle to a Noah 

1587
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:17,240
Lyles or Kenny B / 200 meters. 
Like, you know, unfortunately, 

1588
01:31:17,240 --> 01:31:19,120
like there's just so much 
competition at US level. 

1589
01:31:19,120 --> 01:31:22,120
I think it's, it's harder to 
stand out as a, as a top 

1590
01:31:22,120 --> 01:31:23,800
sprinter, which is, which is a 
little unfortunate. 

1591
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:27,120
Obviously with his youth that 
helps, but he's then got to go 

1592
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:30,040
and I don't know, win, win the 
World Championships next year or

1593
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:33,280
something to kind of 
breakthrough, I suppose, if 

1594
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:36,080
you're AUS sprunter. 
Whereas GAO GAO could rock up 

1595
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:39,680
and make the final next year in 
Beijing and that would make him 

1596
01:31:39,960 --> 01:31:42,760
like even more of a star. 
I think that the bar is set very

1597
01:31:42,760 --> 01:31:46,200
differently because of the fact 
that he's from Australia because

1598
01:31:46,240 --> 01:31:48,880
of that. 
Just that US kind of thing, 

1599
01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:51,000
right? 
I think he's saying true of 

1600
01:31:51,000 --> 01:31:53,760
Jamaica as well for the stars in
like the sprints, right? 

1601
01:31:55,040 --> 01:31:57,040
Yeah, we're discussing hype, but
I, I mean, do you think 

1602
01:31:58,040 --> 01:32:03,880
assessing Tate Taylor's pro 
prospects versus Gout Gout's pro

1603
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:09,040
prospects, like who do you think
has the better 2027? 

1604
01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:10,880
I think I leaned Tate Taylor 
right now. 

1605
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:14,560
Right now maybe, but I think, I 
mean we know that Gout Gout's 

1606
01:32:14,560 --> 01:32:17,600
trajectory is 2032. 
It's not it's not 2027 whilst 

1607
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:24,160
yeah, so that's also a different
like it's I, I, I I'm not sure 

1608
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:26,920
that you're comparing it's hard 
to compare apples and apples, 

1609
01:32:26,920 --> 01:32:29,920
apples and apples like it's they
are going to be more cautious 

1610
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:31,640
with them. 
I'll take Taylor, We've seen him

1611
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:34,080
this year take every single 
opportunity and and do very well

1612
01:32:34,080 --> 01:32:34,840
with it. 
But. 

1613
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:38,680
I just don't understand if he's 
going to college like I at this 

1614
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:39,680
point. 
You just want. 

1615
01:32:39,680 --> 01:32:42,520
Three U20 golds you've beaten to
Bogo. 

1616
01:32:44,360 --> 01:32:47,560
I don't know, I, I think it's 
time to just sign the pro deal, 

1617
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:52,040
but who knows, I guess like that
also remains yet to be seen. 

1618
01:32:54,480 --> 01:32:59,720
All right, well, we got through 
a lot in this one and you're at 

1619
01:32:59,720 --> 01:33:02,880
the Media Center getting ready 
for another session ahead. 

1620
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:10,280
So for folks, we will do a recap
of the European Championships on

1621
01:33:10,280 --> 01:33:13,640
next week's episode. 
Domestic racing here in the 

1622
01:33:13,640 --> 01:33:15,920
States. 
I believe Falmouth is taking 

1623
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:22,240
place this weekend, Conor Manse 
back into action and there 

1624
01:33:22,240 --> 01:33:24,720
should be some solid races 
there. 

1625
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:28,840
But other than that, we've got 
Europeans to entertain us. 

1626
01:33:28,840 --> 01:33:32,960
And the pro tip for folks is I 
think you can just watch it on 

1627
01:33:32,960 --> 01:33:34,520
Eurosport. 
I didn't need to get. 

1628
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:36,480
AVPN or. 
Anything. 

1629
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:38,520
Yeah, exactly. 
It's Eurovision sport. 

1630
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:41,360
It is the kind of broadcasting. 
It's the same people that do the

1631
01:33:41,360 --> 01:33:44,800
Eurovision Song Contest, would 
you believe, but they have a 

1632
01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:46,840
Eurovision sport app you can 
download. 

1633
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:48,480
You just have to register for a 
free account. 

1634
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:52,360
And you you get like various 
streams. 

1635
01:33:52,360 --> 01:33:55,760
You'll get the sort of world 
feed, which is kind of Tim 

1636
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:58,960
Hutchings, Andrew England, Phil 
Mitchell commentating, so good 

1637
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:01,720
commentary feed. 
You also get multiple like all 

1638
01:34:01,720 --> 01:34:03,960
the field event feeds and 
whatever you want as well. 

1639
01:34:04,160 --> 01:34:09,320
So really, really good, high 
quality coverage available for 

1640
01:34:09,320 --> 01:34:11,600
free. 
So go watch it. 

1641
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:14,760
There's track, track and field 
to watch and those those. 

1642
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,280
Maybe maybe the stream is so 
good and that's why people are 

1643
01:34:17,280 --> 01:34:18,560
staying home and just watching 
it. 

1644
01:34:19,480 --> 01:34:21,520
And. 
Instead, they're not coming out 

1645
01:34:21,520 --> 01:34:24,400
to the stadium. 
To be fair, like I'm watching, 

1646
01:34:24,400 --> 01:34:27,200
obviously I'm at the you can see
I'm at the window like by the in

1647
01:34:27,200 --> 01:34:29,480
the media centre. 
I but there seem to be quite a 

1648
01:34:29,480 --> 01:34:31,520
lot more people coming in for 
this evening session. 

1649
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:34,360
So that's good. 
Hopefully there will be be a lot

1650
01:34:34,360 --> 01:34:36,160
more people there. 
I have just missed there. 

1651
01:34:36,520 --> 01:34:40,560
You might have heard the the 
national anthem of, of the UKUK 

1652
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:43,320
playing in the background 
because they just did maybe Amy 

1653
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:47,360
Hunt's medal ceremony. 
But yeah, so I think there are a

1654
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:49,240
lot. 
More people go out there and 

1655
01:34:50,680 --> 01:34:53,960
keep crushing it with the the 
interviews and we'll catch 

1656
01:34:53,960 --> 01:34:57,000
everyone next week. 
Be sure to follow along Cities 

1657
01:34:57,000 --> 01:35:00,640
Mag, Instagram, Twitter, 
everywhere for all the coverage 

1658
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:03,320
from the European Championships 
and beyond. 

1659
01:35:05,240 --> 01:35:06,920
All right, that's a wrap on 
today's episode. 

1660
01:35:07,160 --> 01:35:09,920
Thanks for listening, for the 
time, the curiosity, and for 

1661
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:12,640
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1662
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:16,000
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1663
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:19,000
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1664
01:35:19,440 --> 01:35:21,440
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1666
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1667
01:35:27,200 --> 01:35:31,000
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1668
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1669
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