1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:05,560 Live from New York, it's Sidious Mag at the Hoka 5th Ave. 2 00:00:05,600 --> 00:00:09,600 flagship store ahead of New York City Marathon weekend. 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:14,240 Chris Shav is joined by Aisha Pratt, Lear and Eric Jenkins as 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,000 there is just so much excitement in the air ahead of Sunday's 5 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:19,440 race. How are we feeling being back in 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:20,880 New York? Is there a second year doing 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,640 this? Gangs back back together in New 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:28,600 York fired up energy's energy's high in the city. 9 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,160 We are so back this. News back. 10 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,760 Together, I'm having the best time. 11 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,240 We braved the monsoons yesterday. 12 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,640 Everybody ended up making their way to the city. 13 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,280 Fives are high, feeling great. Yeah, it's going to be, I guess 14 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,200 like at some point it started being thrown around it and it 15 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:49,760 feels like they're marketing the New York City Marathon as like 16 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:51,880 the best day in the best city in the world. 17 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,680 And I I feel like I said that for the first time maybe. 18 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,920 A yeah, When you say they're marketing it, you're like, I've 19 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:58,760 been pleasuring this. I said that for the. 20 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,520 First time a couple years ago, but no, it's, it's, it's true. 21 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:06,560 And we're excited to unpack the professional races that will be 22 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,600 taking place on Sunday. But before we get to that, let's 23 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:14,160 tell the people how they can actually watch these races. 24 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,800 They start at 8:35 AM Eastern Time with the pro women's field. 25 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,800 Then the men will follow at 9 O 5:00 AM. 26 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:27,400 And then from there, the regular folks like us will get going at 27 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,000 9:10. Not actually us, but. 28 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,200 Not us. People who are racing on Sunday 29 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:37,000 will go at 9:10 AM and you'll be able to watch it all on on ESPN 30 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,280 2 if you're in the tri-state area. 31 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,960 But what we recommend is that you watch along with us. 32 00:01:42,960 --> 00:01:45,840 We'll be going live at 8:00 AM on the CDs Mag YouTube channel. 33 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,000 We'll be giving you all of our reactions, live updates. 34 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:55,960 We'll be hitting the splits that you won't get anywhere else and 35 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:59,040 we'll do our best to try and navigate all of the different 36 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:03,000 streams that are out there and telling you guys what's 37 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,280 happening when the big moves are made and all that. 38 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:10,080 So let's get into it, Mac. Mac's prepared some great 39 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,240 graphics for this one, so if you're listening to this in 40 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:16,800 podcast form, you can also watch it on YouTube to get the full 41 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,880 effect. We also have a a course map to 42 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,720 go over. Yeah, let's do it. 43 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,400 Let's do it. Mac is cueing me in to do the 44 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,600 course map 1st. So here's the one the course map 45 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:35,240 presented by TCS Who whole 26.2 mile journey starts off in 46 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,480 Staten Island and you're going to be going over this, you're 47 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:42,000 going to climb for mile 1 before you make your way into Brooklyn. 48 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,760 That second mile is just you're falling down that bridge and 49 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:47,640 then you navigate those first couple miles. 50 00:02:47,640 --> 00:02:52,960 There's actually two different routes before they merge 51 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:59,240 together by mile 8 in Brooklyn. So some people get send off in a 52 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:02,360 different way than others. But then what I like to think of 53 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:05,560 the New York City Marathon as is like it's essentially like the 54 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:08,600 Brooklyn half plus another half marathon elsewhere because you 55 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:12,240 are covering the 1st 13 or so miles through throughout 56 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:15,800 Brooklyn. This is my neighborhood right 57 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,200 about now that I just moved to Greenpoint. 58 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,360 And so that's Mccarran Park. That's where a lot of my friends 59 00:03:21,360 --> 00:03:23,920 will be cheering mile 13.1. That's when you're going over 60 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:27,800 the Pulaski Bridge into Queens. This is where you're still 61 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,880 feeling great. And then at mile 15, you go over 62 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,240 the Queensboro Bridge. That is the most painful part of 63 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,680 the course, into Manhattan. You make your way up First Ave., 64 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,640 Million people cheering for you as you make your way north and 65 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,560 into the Bronx. What? 66 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,680 Once you crossover that Willis Ave. 67 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:48,160 Bridge, you peek into the Bronx. They have some amazing cheer 68 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,160 zones. Mile Style, who is partnered 69 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,120 with Poca, will have a cheer zone up in the Bronx. 70 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:54,720 And then you're back into Manhattan. 71 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:59,280 You're going through Harlem, up 5th Ave. alongside Central Park. 72 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,240 This it's actually uphill. And then you climb, You get into 73 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,120 the park, There's rolling hills. You make your way down Central 74 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:09,520 Park South, make one last turn from Columbus Circle and toward 75 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,720 the finish line that was your rapid New York City Marathon 76 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,880 course preview. Snaps for that Chris. 77 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,160 Beautiful job. The So what they have this year 78 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,560 is like the incline and the elevation chart. 79 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,200 I saw that the. Texture on the side of the 80 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,680 marathon medal, which I think is like very, very cool. 81 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:30,120 Wow. Yeah. 82 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,360 So it's like it it you're like why is this metal like all bumpy 83 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:34,520 and stuff? It's like, no, actually that's 84 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:36,000 like. It's not Braille, it's the 85 00:04:36,280 --> 00:04:37,800 elevation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 86 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:39,080 This is what my body went through. 87 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:39,840 Exactly. Yeah. 88 00:04:39,840 --> 00:04:42,160 So you'll be able to remember it that way forever. 89 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:46,040 Let's take a quick peek over at the weather for Sunday. 90 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:47,200 I have it pulled up in front of me. 91 00:04:47,520 --> 00:04:50,080 It's going to be 48° at the start. 92 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:53,040 Perfect. Sunny throughout the day, it 93 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:58,040 will climb up to 59° at the hottest point of the day, so 94 00:04:58,040 --> 00:04:59,560 it's looking like perfect running. 95 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,720 How's the wind? Let's see, I'm going to click 96 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,440 right into Sunday and see what the wind says. 97 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:09,160 Wind's light and variable, it says. 98 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:10,760 OK, so we. Don't get this. 99 00:05:10,840 --> 00:05:12,480 Pretty ideal conditions, yeah, no. 100 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,080 Very often for a major. The best day in the best city on 101 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:17,400 the on the planet with the best weather, with the best weather. 102 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,200 It was right there for me and I didn't take it. 103 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:29,160 All right, so let now let's dive into the let's start with the 104 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:33,000 women's elite race. And so to kick things off, we're 105 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,960 going to go over a little bit of like the historical context 106 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:41,600 around this one, because they've assembled arguably the greatest 107 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,640 women's field in history, and it's a field that is so strong 108 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,560 that I think that they could threaten the course record. 109 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:53,840 So the current course record is 2/22/31 by Margaret Akayo from 110 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,200 2003. It's a long standing record. 111 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:57,920 Pre super shoes. Wow. 112 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,280 Pre like all the fuelling advances that people have made. 113 00:06:01,280 --> 00:06:05,400 And there's I believe a $50,000 course record bonus. 114 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,320 Very enticing, especially because we're coming off of a 115 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:12,880 Boston Marathon that saw that course record go down with 116 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,680 Sharon Loquetti and Helen O'beery running 217. 117 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,480 And then I think the this is most enticing to someone like 118 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:24,760 Saifan Hassan, who even her slowest career marathon, which 119 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:29,760 was the Paris Olympics was not as slow as this and so. 120 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,080 She's sitting there thinking, What do you mean my body? 121 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,880 I've never run that slow. No, And, and I think like 122 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,320 there's a clip, I think we'll, we'll tweet it out in a bit. 123 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,880 But like I was at the pre race press conference and I mentioned 124 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:43,800 to Stephane Asan that like, Oh yeah, you know, the course 125 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,040 record is 2/22. And then she was like, kind of 126 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:48,760 like confused. And then I was like, and there's 127 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,240 a $50,000 bonus. And like, if you've heard 128 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:53,360 Stephane just like kind of the way she talks and carries 129 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,560 herself and like you can tell that she, she's a little 130 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,600 motivated by money sometimes. And so an extra K sounds 131 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,000 awesome, but the average winning time from the last four years 132 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:07,800 has been 2/24/28. And it's always been a super 133 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,160 close race. The four previous years, the 134 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,000 average time to 2nd place has been 8 seconds. 135 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,080 And many of these have been super close, Sharon. 136 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,760 And for the most part, like both of their coaches have given them 137 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,040 the same instructions of like don't be the one to lead. 138 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:29,120 And so we've ended up with these sit and kick races. 139 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:32,480 And then the final stat that we've got the touch on is the US 140 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:36,760 course record of two, 2442 by Molly Seidel back in 2021. 141 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:40,000 That's when she was coming off of the Olympic bronze medal. 142 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,720 But also like I talked to her today, she was like that race, 143 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,120 like the fact that she ran that performance like she was, she 144 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:49,720 crashed out after like the Olympic bronze medal was not in 145 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:51,480 a great place. I think was even like kind of 146 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,760 hurt when she ran that. But Molly's back. 147 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,160 I don't think that this is an expectation for her this 148 00:07:57,160 --> 00:08:01,400 weekend, but this could be, you know, for the likes of a you. 149 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,200 Think it's under you Think it's under threat? 150 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,200 Fiona O'Keefe potentially we'll we'll we'll touch on the 151 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:10,200 Americans a little bit more as we go along in the show. 152 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,600 But those are your key race stats to kick things off. 153 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,120 But I guess, Aisha, your reaction to I guess when you 154 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,120 saw, you know this field put together and the and the start 155 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,480 list. Originally the start list had 156 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,720 just Sharon and Helen who have been battling back and forth for 157 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:32,000 a really long time and sort of a late add to the field was Saffan 158 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:34,679 Hassan. And I'm sure that took the other 159 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:39,760 two by surprise, having this sort of long standing feud 160 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,000 between Helen versus Sharon head to head to head. 161 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:47,640 And now you you inject someone who is the only woman to beat 162 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,520 Sharon and Helen is Saffan Hassan. 163 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,640 So now this is a race of three absolute giants. 164 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,280 And I think it makes it really interesting, right, that we've 165 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,880 seen the Helen Sharon duel play out several times and and it's 166 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:03,040 not and it's one person does not dominate that duel. 167 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:08,920 But now we're seeing someone who hasn't run, hasn't run as slow 168 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:13,680 as the the course record, someone who kind of has a clean, 169 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:17,360 clean sweep. Sharon versus Sharon and Helen, 170 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,440 I don't think they've beaten her in a marathon, no. 171 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:20,640 They haven't. They've never beaten her. 172 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:24,000 No, they've never beaten her. So this is a really, really, 173 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:28,200 really exciting race up front and I'm sure there is 174 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:37,000 potentially maybe some team tactics in a way of my guess 175 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:42,200 would be that Sharon and Helen will do everything in their 176 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:43,680 power to keep Stephane from winning. 177 00:09:43,680 --> 00:09:47,320 You think you think Helen and Sharon are going to team up, 178 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:49,760 work together to to? Yeah, I do. 179 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:50,760 Interesting. I do. 180 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:55,520 I think that there is a she's the she's Goliath. 181 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,240 Yeah. And we got a we. 182 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,080 It's like, it's a bit of like the enemy of my enemy is my 183 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:01,720 friend type of situation. Exactly. 184 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,840 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can see it. 185 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,400 That's that's the thing. It's like you do not want to 186 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:13,360 leave this to be a sit and kick race when you'd be up against 187 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:17,760 someone who has won an Olympic gold medal in the 5K who still 188 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,480 probably has really good track wheels. 189 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,360 It just so happens that this has been the one year that Stefan 190 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,800 Hassan has fully dedicated herself to the marathon. 191 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:31,840 She was supposed to technically race the mile at the London 192 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,560 Diamond League. And I mean, if that tells you 193 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:36,600 anything, it was like there was a sign in training that at some 194 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,800 point, like for coach Tim Roberry is like she's, she could 195 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:45,240 still probably run like, you know, 414 or whatever, 4/16. 196 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,240 Yeah, it's crazy. And then go off and run the 197 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:50,920 Sydney Marathon. But the interesting part to 198 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:55,360 Stephane is just that she's got 64 days since the Sydney 199 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,920 Marathon marathon and the Sydney marathon was a taxing one. 200 00:10:59,920 --> 00:11:02,240 She talked about it today in the pre race press conference that 201 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,640 like her legs were shot after that one and like she wasn't 202 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,160 even feeling great in the final couple miles of that race. 203 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,720 So she's pretty scared for for the New York City chorus because 204 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:16,120 like she's just heard everyone just talk about it like how 205 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:17,840 challenging. But then again, it's like 206 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:21,480 anytime Saifan Asan has been like freaking out before a race. 207 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:22,920 Like we just see it's. Usually a good sign for her. 208 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,080 It's a good sign and then like by the time like the start gun 209 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,480 goes off, she's just a killer at that point. 210 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:35,200 Her transparency with her thoughts and who she is is one 211 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,720 of the most delightful things in the sport. 212 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,600 As a fan, she's crazy. She's crazy. 213 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,880 So she says the craziest stuff. I, I remember before her debut, 214 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:49,840 she was thinking, she was just a train of thought of, of why am I 215 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:50,640 doing this? Yeah. 216 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:51,760 I'm so. Stupid. 217 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:53,840 Why I? Just drama dumping out in the 218 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,720 press conference, yeah. This is a terrible idea. 219 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,520 Why did I ever think this is a good idea? 220 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:01,120 So yeah, this is. It's not uncommon to hear 221 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:04,360 Stephan having regrets for signing up for a race. 222 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,000 It usually goes pretty well for her. 223 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,080 Yeah, I there's a 12 minute interview I think that we put up 224 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,000 from the press conference where I was just sitting there and I 225 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:13,680 was just like listening the whole entire time. 226 00:12:13,680 --> 00:12:15,720 And she's like, if you really want to torture yourself, you 227 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,920 sign up for Sydney and New York. Like that is just like, and 228 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,520 she's just like rattling off like this freak. 229 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,040 She's never been media trained in her in her life. 230 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,680 And it's and it's a joy for us fans. 231 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:32,640 But I think, yeah, the the problem with it with her is that 232 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,080 you you have to just try and devise, I don't know what kind 233 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:40,400 of race plan kills her. Yeah, I'm well, how do you 234 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:43,760 devise a race plan if she's, you know, one of the fastest overall 235 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,520 in a strength race, but also has the the best track wheels if it 236 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:48,320 comes down to a sit and kick race. 237 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,360 So it is one of these things where you kind of just you run 238 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:55,360 the best race strategy for you and hope that Safan kind of has 239 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,400 an off day because how else on paper do you beat her? 240 00:12:58,480 --> 00:12:59,280 Right. How are you going to beat 241 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:03,000 someone who four years ago was in the Olympic final in the 1500 242 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,840 meters? Like lest we forget, this is her 243 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:11,240 track chops are very recent and you know you're running 2/13/44 244 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,320 as your personal best. You're right on the money. 245 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,840 How do you beat someone who has every tool in the toolbox? 246 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:22,760 I think maybe it is just the course that will beat her. 247 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:27,080 It's not necessarily, you know, Helen or Sharon what they can 248 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:28,400 do. It's just they have the 249 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:31,320 experience now. They know, you know, they've 250 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,600 gone through this race multiple times. 251 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,880 And I'm kind of comparing Saifan Hassan taking on the New York 252 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:42,120 City Marathon course to 2022 when Helen was debuting here. 253 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:44,960 And she was the one coming in with all the hype and fanfare. 254 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,520 And I feel like a lot of people looked at that field on paper 255 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,560 and we're like, I don't see a scenario where Helen doesn't win 256 00:13:51,560 --> 00:13:54,160 this thing. And then it's actually Sharon, 257 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:58,960 who, you know, I think approached the race better and 258 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:00,480 ended up winning the whole damn thing. 259 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:03,800 And so there is an unpredictability to the New York 260 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:08,080 City Marathon course that, you know, it's if you F around, you 261 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,520 find out, right? And like, we'll see, you know, 262 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:15,960 if Sifan Hassan finds out the hard way of just like what makes 263 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,600 this major so unpredictable. So as we look at just the 264 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:24,720 international women start list, if on Asan is firmly at the top 265 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:28,240 with her 213 personal best sharing a second with that fresh 266 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,760 217 from Boston. Sheila Chef Kurui is the 267 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:35,880 defending champion and I feel like she's often overlooked in 268 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:39,520 the conversations going into this year, which is a good 269 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:41,040 thing. I would say if you're her, you 270 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:42,400 kind of want to be under the radar. 271 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,840 Helen O'berry finally gets like a personal vest that gets her 272 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:47,440 toward the top of these start lists. 273 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:51,600 Usually she was like buried at the bottom with like a 222 or 274 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,760 whatever. Former world champion Gotti Tom 275 00:14:54,760 --> 00:14:58,640 Geber slasses in this one 218 Vivian Chariot, who's been 276 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,160 training really well lately I believe with Fiona O'Keefe, 277 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,440 could be a dark horse and Nikiplagot listed on this, but 278 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,720 she is scratched due to the passing of her mother. 279 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:15,920 So our thoughts are with her and that this is just, you know, the 280 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:20,240 best field ever assembled here in New York City, so. 281 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:25,200 Yeah, it's so stacked. Yeah, I mean, Sharon is even 282 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,520 coming in a little bit under the radar and she's the Boston 283 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,320 champ. It, it always surprises me how 284 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,920 under the radar Sharon Locetti is. 285 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,160 She is a star. She's won Boston, she's won New 286 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,320 York. She just set the horse record at 287 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,680 the Boston Marathon. How are we not looking at Sharon 288 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:46,600 Locetti saying, how is Sharon? How are we going to beat Sharon? 289 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:53,280 And her expertise in this event is, I mean, she's just gaining 290 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,480 steam every time. She's just ran a fast half 291 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:58,600 marathon. She's, she's looking really, 292 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,600 really good, really sharp going to this field and she's won. 293 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,920 She's been on four major marathon podiums, two major 294 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,600 wins. She was 4th at the Olympic 295 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:09,600 Games. Her marathon career is 296 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,080 unflappable. Like she doesn't, she doesn't 297 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:17,880 have an off day. So I don't expect to see Sharon 298 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,560 off the podium. I would be surprised if Sharon 299 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,720 doesn't win this race. Do you think she would be the 300 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,360 one? I mean, when you're envisioning 301 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:28,720 Helen and Sharon working together, who's the one pushing 302 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:31,680 at the front? Because I feel like Helen's got 303 00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,520 full trust in Dathan. And when he's emphasized even 304 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,680 last year, like don't go, don't go, don't go. 305 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,760 Like she's listened. I think the first year she 306 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,840 didn't listen as much and now it's but then it's like you 307 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,080 can't have two people on that same wavelength or else like 308 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,680 then the pace is going to lag and it's being teed up for 309 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,160 Safan. I think in Boston we saw Sharon 310 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:52,560 make that decisive move. At 3K. 311 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:56,040 At three, yeah, it was early. It was early and and the later 312 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,400 stages of the race, it was really her being the 313 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,280 protagonist. And I think she has gone through 314 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:07,079 through the the paces of being patient and being smart and now 315 00:17:07,079 --> 00:17:09,280 she's getting bold in her race strategy. 316 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,119 So I think we'll see Sharon be more a protagonist tomorrow. 317 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:14,560 Yeah, Saturday. Sunday. 318 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:20,160 Yeah. I I mean, you kind of like the 319 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:24,400 course is so tough and I think that is why you don't see these 320 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:26,599 fast, these fast times. The course record stood since 321 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:29,600 2003. I think you honestly like, and 322 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,280 Nathan is a guy who's run this course plenty of times. 323 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:34,960 So he goes in with the experience of like, look, sit 324 00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:37,440 right. I think you when you do see 325 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,640 people try and make decisive moves early on this course, it 326 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,000 ends up kind of backfiring on them. 327 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,840 I wouldn't see Stefan making it tough. 328 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:52,280 I wouldn't see you don't see Helen really make it tough. 329 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,080 Someone needs to though. Yeah, I, I mean somebody, I 330 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:04,400 mean, it's does do they, I mean, it's, you get to like the last 331 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,600 10K of this race and it's like it's you'll probably see. 332 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,600 I would be surprised if someone comes in and breaks up the 333 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:15,600 podium of Helen, Sharon and Stephane. 334 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,000 I think it's going to be them three, you know, 5K to go. 335 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,560 I bet. Do I think the course record 336 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:25,040 will go down? I'll be I'll be right around 337 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,200 there. I don't think it's going to be 338 00:18:27,360 --> 00:18:30,080 as slow as we've seen in years past, but I still don't think 339 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,400 because they all have such good wheels. 340 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:39,000 Like, yes, the fun does have by far the best track speed, but it 341 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:44,880 when you've run 25 miles, sometimes that gets thrown out 342 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:47,240 right. And so I don't know. 343 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,600 I don't it's tough for me to say like, yes, Sharon should make it 344 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:55,400 honest race because she does have such Sharon's looked so 345 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,320 good in recent years of he's closing fast at the end of these 346 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:01,160 races. So it's tough for me to say like 347 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,720 what I think their game plans will be or should be, which is 348 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,240 what makes this race so fun. I think we'll see the course 349 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,120 record go down. OK, with the weather being 350 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:16,600 completely perfect, the Sharon and Helen, hadn't they just PR 351 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:18,640 Ed right, Like they just ran 217. 352 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:23,360 So getting to that point of like getting in the low 2 teens. 353 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,000 That's neuromuscular. They've they've done it before. 354 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,000 I I'm sure, I'm sure we'll see the course record go down. 355 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,720 Yeah, All right, let's talk about Helen just for another 356 00:19:32,720 --> 00:19:37,640 second, because, you know, she obviously has she she didn't win 357 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,960 in Boston, but she was still pretty close. 358 00:19:39,960 --> 00:19:43,200 What what do you think makes her a threat on Sunday? 359 00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:46,600 It's just I guess like she's got, she's stacked experience 360 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,440 and I think like she's only getting better in the marathon. 361 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,200 I mean, look at that, three major marathon wins, 10 global 362 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:56,560 medals, personal best 21741. Like when we talk about 363 00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,080 unflappable marathon careers. Helen is the same way. 364 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,360 I think there is an expectation that there. 365 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,880 Helen will show up and be excellent and I I don't expect 366 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,280 anything different. Helen doesn't expect anything 367 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,320 different from from that experience she now has. 368 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,280 This is not a new arena to her. She has the ability, she has the 369 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,680 experience. She's ready to do it again. 370 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,360 And the race is she's not winning. 371 00:20:20,360 --> 00:20:22,480 Like it's like second, right, Right. 372 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:24,520 Like she's always up there fighting for the win. 373 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,400 She doesn't really have big off days where she's not where she's 374 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,640 not in the mix at all. She's always in the mix and you 375 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,760 can be pretty certain she's going to be in the mix tomorrow. 376 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,760 It's just really depending on it. 377 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:44,400 It is so top heavy as far as how good these athletes are. 378 00:20:44,760 --> 00:20:50,560 So I mean, man, I it's, it's going to be very tough to beat 379 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,720 some fun, but if there's anybody who could do it, it's it's 380 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,920 Sharon and and Helen. Yeah, I think to kind of close 381 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:02,880 the loop on just those top three, it's I asked Sharon. 382 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,280 It's like, all right. So like, what can we expect? 383 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:08,520 She goes fireworks and like, I was like, all right, I'm ready. 384 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,360 That's electric. Yeah, we're ready. 385 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:14,080 All right, so that is the international women's field. 386 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,880 Taking a look at the top Americans in this one. 387 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:22,200 We've got the return of Emily Sisson, first marathon since the 388 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,240 Paris Olympics, which really messed her up. 389 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,880 Like, you know, she also kind of like the preparation in the lead 390 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,040 up to the Paris Olympics wasn't perfect for her. 391 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,320 And, you know, she didn't have a great day there. 392 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:38,200 And it kind of was a bit scarred from, you know, having to get 393 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,000 into this loop of marathon training for the trials from, 394 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,240 you know, before that, that like, she needed a little bit of 395 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,920 a break. So she took the spring off from, 396 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:48,080 you know, signing up to run a marathon. 397 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,320 Didn't run one last fall either, whereas a lot of people doubled 398 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,480 back and took the appearance fee of, you know, show up to New 399 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,600 York after Paris, but Sisson didn't. 400 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:01,640 And so for her, I think like, you know, let's get, let's get 401 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:04,200 one on the board, you know, after a little bit of a layoff. 402 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,760 But she'll be joined by Sarah Hall, Susanna Sullivan, who is 403 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,640 coming off of 4th place at the World Championships, Fiona 404 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,720 O'Keefe racing, her first marathon since the Paris 405 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,520 Olympics, where she dropped out after 5K. 406 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:22,600 So she's looking to just try and find a little bit of that magic 407 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,440 from the trials where she debuted and had an amazing day 408 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,600 and won the whole damn thing. Molly Seidel making her return, 409 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:32,960 first marathon since 2023. Chicago. 410 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,080 Annie Frisbee, second American in Boston earlier this year. 411 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,880 Callan Taylor, a veteran on this course. 412 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,480 And then we've got the debut of Amanda Vestry, who's shown quite 413 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:45,600 a bit of Rd. chops with her transition over to the half 414 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:48,560 marathon. But Aisha, I guess, like what? 415 00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:52,680 Where do you kind of measure like success for an Emily Sisson 416 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:58,760 at this point in in 2025? I think time away can be very, 417 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,400 very valuable. She's moved to Ireland. 418 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:06,480 A lot has changed. I I'm sure she has no 419 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,960 expectation other than to have a solid day and put one on the 420 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,120 board. But a solid day and putting one 421 00:23:12,120 --> 00:23:14,200 on the board for Emily Sisson is. 422 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,280 Most people's really most. People's great day, right? 423 00:23:17,360 --> 00:23:22,000 She is an excellent marathoner. 3 Three US championship titles. 424 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:25,440 She's been on the podium before. I mean, that should be a win. 425 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,200 That should be a major marathon win. 426 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,080 Major marathon win. And yeah, yeah. 427 00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,880 Was the major marathon. Yeah, yeah. 428 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,280 I mean, come on, now that we've we've learned some new 429 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,600 information that should be a that should be, AW, personal 430 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,560 pass 218. Emily. 431 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,960 We don't want to put expectation on her, but I could see Emily 432 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,760 being in the top five. Yeah, I really, I really can. 433 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,760 If she has a good day, if she's feeling good, I'm sure I'm sure 434 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,480 she doesn't have an outcome goal. 435 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:53,880 Emily Sisson is you. Don't think so. 436 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:59,840 No, I think Emily Sisson is a very smart, savvy, process 437 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,560 oriented marathoner. I'm I'm sure there's something 438 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,480 in the back of her mind that's like, this would be good, but 439 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:09,600 I'm but from everything that she said publicly is this is this is 440 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,800 getting back out there and finishing, having a great day, 441 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,080 whatever. These are all successes. 442 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:17,280 It's a lot. It's for the for a lot of these 443 00:24:18,120 --> 00:24:21,520 American stars, it's a getting back out there kind of race. 444 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:23,760 Yeah, it really. Is, you know, I mean, like, like 445 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:30,480 Molly Seidel, Emily Sisson, Fiona O'Keefe, like, they need 446 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,240 to like, welcome back. Welcome back. 447 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,120 Let's start building some momentum. 448 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:35,960 Yeah. Good luck out there. 449 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,960 I the only you know how you go to these pre race press 450 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,360 conferences and everyone lies to your face and like had best 451 00:24:43,360 --> 00:24:45,960 builder in the world the only. Lies to your face, yeah. 452 00:24:46,120 --> 00:24:50,600 But the only thing is, is that I don't think and here's where I'm 453 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,600 hoping, you know, things take a turn and and everything's great 454 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,600 by by Sunday. Emily Assistant's pre race 455 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,800 interview with me did not instill any confidence. 456 00:24:59,960 --> 00:25:01,120 Really. Well, yeah, she was like, she 457 00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:03,000 was also lying to your face. What about Yeah? 458 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:06,320 And she's been sick, I guess, like the last couple years and 459 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,840 lying I. Mean she wasn't sick at all and 460 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,640 and Chris is and because she's a liar. 461 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,440 Yeah, but I no, but I think here's the thing. 462 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,720 I think Emily is an honest one, OK? 463 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:19,440 And so she wasn't lying. And she was like, yeah, the last 464 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,400 couple weeks have been disrupted by, like, sickness and illness. 465 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,680 She's like, I've never been more. 466 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:29,400 Like, I've been getting more sicker more frequently in this 467 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,000 marathon build. And she's like, it's something I 468 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,760 got to figure out after this race. 469 00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:38,160 But she's like, I'm hoping things get better by Sunday. 470 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,000 And I was like. Oh gosh, yeah. 471 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,520 It's like 36 hours away, Yeah. Maybe I'd take it back. 472 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,160 Yeah, yeah, maybe I'd take my prediction. 473 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,840 Back but then so she so then she said so I. 474 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,000 Guess I would be. She's never been sicker, it 475 00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:52,520 sounds like. So she was like, I, I got a very 476 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,520 vague goal of like just, you know, putting together a good 477 00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,360 one, like a good race and, and making it to the finish line and 478 00:25:58,360 --> 00:26:00,800 all that. And so, yeah, I was like, oh 479 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,360 man, I was like, yeah, this isn't instill too much 480 00:26:03,360 --> 00:26:05,480 confidence in in me picking you for the win. 481 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,240 So like, I do look at a Fiona O'Keefe potentially as like the 482 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:13,280 top American in this one because I saw that, you know, Alistair 483 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,520 Craig talked to Let's Run and had said, you know, that some of 484 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,800 the workouts that she's been smashing have been better than 485 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,880 like, before the trials. And like, her preparation has 486 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,680 gone really well for this one. She's been training, I think, 487 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,920 alongside Vivian Cheriot for certain parts of it too. 488 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,640 And and Vivian's in this race, yeah. 489 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,680 So like, that's having teammates in there. 490 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,600 It's not even like people that you've been training with. 491 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,640 That's goes a long way. That's very helpful. 492 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:40,480 Yeah, and so I the only thing with Fiona is just sort of like, 493 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:46,160 you know, the the trials were so good and the Olympics were so 494 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,880 bad that like, I just hope that you know, everything, whether it 495 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:53,440 was the hip injury and all, whatever, like has gotten sorted 496 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,600 out and she's in a healthy place going into this race and then is 497 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,000 able to come off of it really well. 498 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,280 Because I guess like, if you're, you're, she's so young and she's 499 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,640 just fresh to this event. Like you want to have that 500 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,520 sustained success over the next Olympic cycle, which has already 501 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,600 begun. Right, You don't want to have 502 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,640 durability questions early in your marathon career. 503 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,240 Yeah. So I think, you know, just kind 504 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:22,120 of based off of, you know, where Sisson's sickness was at, I'm, 505 00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:23,840 I'm more inclined to pick Fiona O'Keefe. 506 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,960 OK, you're going to go with Fiona O'Keefe. 507 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:26,480 I'm. Going to go. 508 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,280 I'm going to pick Emily Sisson. You're going to prefer top 509 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:33,960 American because sometimes when you're riding the edge and you 510 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,800 have that little, you know, either minor injury or minor 511 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:42,600 minor illness, it puts you into a really nice taper zone where 512 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,520 maybe you maybe she's better off, maybe she's better off 513 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:46,640 letting the training. I think she's. 514 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,680 She's fighting. She's fighting for her life in 515 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,120 bed. All right, well, just to, just 516 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:54,280 to. Contradict. 517 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:55,640 Yeah. Yeah, I'm picking. 518 00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:56,880 You're gonna take Emily? Yeah. 519 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,080 I think I'm gonna go. Susanna Sullivan. 520 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,600 Wow. Well, it's it's tough because 521 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,320 right, like all these athletes, yes, they're at their best. 522 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,680 They are unbelievably talented and they've run so well. 523 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,200 But it just hasn't been recently. 524 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:19,040 And Suzanne is coming off of 4th at worlds in Tokyo and has a lot 525 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,080 of momentum. And I, I think she's it's, it's 526 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,160 fun to fun to mix it up, right. Obviously Emily Sisson when 527 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:31,920 she's on and she's at her best is, you know, not just one of 528 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,560 the best Americans, but, you know, one of the best in the 529 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,600 world. So it would be tough to beat. 530 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:43,080 But now that I know she is sick as a dog, I'm, I'm, Yeah, I'm 531 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,240 going to go Susanna for, for top American spot. 532 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,000 All right. I like that even, I mean, 533 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,160 because she's got an even shorter window than Stefano's 534 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,640 son from Sydney to get ready for this race. 535 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,200 Yeah, but. Super shoes era like I feel like 536 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,800 the whole like recovery from some of these marathons like. 537 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:07,080 It seems less dramatic, yeah. Yeah, and yeah, but also it's 538 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:11,520 like it's a bit of a different race for Susanna than it is for 539 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:15,840 Stefan in the in the sense where it's like, you know, we're I'm 540 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:16,920 just shooting. She's shooting for top. 541 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,000 Let's say she's goal is top American. 542 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,800 I think it who knows what that pack will look like, what that 543 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,360 race will be at at this, you know, where Stefan is going to 544 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:31,160 be fighting for for the win. So I think it it and yeah, maybe 545 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,880 I maybe I picked wrong. OK, but I said it. 546 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,760 I'm sticking with it now. Susanna, top American We. 547 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,600 We did check FanDuel earlier and there are no. 548 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:41,840 Odds. Yeah, yeah. 549 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,960 But if we could create our own? What OK is that new? 550 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,680 Betting platform, calci clashy or whatever it is. 551 00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,440 That, yeah, like that does. But that's that's doing 552 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,240 everything besides sports, right? 553 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,880 They had their first. Yeah, yeah, they're doing like. 554 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,840 They had their first thing that you could bet on and running was 555 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,600 Diplo's 5K time last week. Diplo's thought OK, and what? 556 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,680 He set the line at 24 minutes. Diplo said Diplo was set his 557 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,000 line. Yeah 24 and he ran 1940 558 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,240 something I. Don't think you can set your own 559 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,640 line. That doesn't seem that doesn't 560 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,480 seem fair. He wait, he so he said at 24 561 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,000 minutes and he ran what? 1940 something. 562 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:23,880 OK, see, that's why you don't let Diplo set his lines, OK? 563 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,440 He told everyone you know. This is why you let Vegas do 564 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,160 what they do and set the lines. Yeah, OK, Because they would 565 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:31,680 have had it perfectly at 20 minutes. 566 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,080 Yeah, and they would have had. That's why the mark them. 567 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,480 There's so much money on Diplo's under for the for the 5K. 568 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,680 And that's why because he he sandbagged the the line and 569 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,360 everybody smashed it. You could bet on Diplo's five. 570 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,960 He did. You bet. 571 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,760 No, I didn't know it was a thing until I got there. 572 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,720 And then like I was told I was like, Oh yeah, like he smashed 573 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,640 the under and I was like, what? And I was like the you were 574 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,680 allowed to bet on one of these markets, like on his time. 575 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,600 And I was like, that's, that's insane. 576 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,840 I was like, like him. Like, that's like 24 minutes, I 577 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:07,760 guess. Like, I don't know what he was 578 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,520 running at some of these other five KS, but this was APR for 579 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,520 him. But he was running in a Forrest 580 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,800 Gump costume and still managed to like Crush. 581 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:20,200 It sub 20 that's huge. No, no easy feat, especially for 582 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:21,160 Diplo. Yeah. 583 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,560 But also like I got to say like that we need more of the the. 584 00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:26,800 Yeah, Chris. You were at the. 585 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:27,800 You were there. What? 586 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:28,920 What? What was it like? 587 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,520 It was sick. The the race is not a serious 588 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,520 thing. Tell it to Diplo, yeah. 589 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,040 Yeah, or me. I mean, I, I finished 20th. 590 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:39,200 Wow. Overall. 591 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,360 Wow. Yeah, take great, great pride in 592 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:42,880 that. What? 593 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,960 Were your odds wait? Wait, what was the winning time 594 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,920 of the Diplo 5K? 1640 something or 1650 something 595 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,800 and then the next person is like 17. 596 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,320 And then it was a bunch of people in the eighteens, I 597 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:59,280 think. And then I was 1859 and I get 598 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,760 20th. But it was like zigzagging. 599 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,760 There's so many people who I guess like the beauty of the 600 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,840 event was that there were so many first timers and like it's 601 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,360 like people getting into running is a nice thing to see. 602 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:14,000 But also like at the same time, I'm like, I know most of the 603 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,480 12,000 people that are here are probably here for the concert, 604 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,800 but they're still, they still are putting their bodies through 605 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:21,720 the five. I love it. 606 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:22,960 Yeah. I just like you. 607 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:24,800 It's a prerequisite. Like, oh, you want to come to 608 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:25,880 the concert? You got to run. 609 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:33,120 Yeah, and also just like a Mark Ronson Diplo set at 10 AM is 610 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,720 just like a rare oddity that like, most people don't get 611 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,840 like, like I don't stay up past. We're not going to make it to a 612 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,400 Diplo concert. We're we got to go Night. 613 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:46,200 Night, Yeah. So yeah, I know it was a, it was 614 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,880 a good time, but we're we're we're talking about. 615 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,240 Fast. Yeah, I like this Sunday. 616 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:51,600 We digress. We digress. 617 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,360 Yeah, All right. What were we talking about 618 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:56,640 before? That well, we were talking about 619 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,520 the Vegas odds and, and if I had to make odds, I would put 620 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:05,200 Stephon at negative odds and then I would put Sharon at 621 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,920 maybe, maybe negative odds with slightly lesser like or just 622 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,280 slightly positive like plus 100. And then I would put Helen at 623 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:17,120 maybe plus 220. So then, OK, but what if they 624 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,920 gave you the option Oberi Loketi Hassan versus the field? 625 00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,640 Oh, you take that. Oh yeah, every time. 626 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:26,960 You take the field. No, no, you take you take those 627 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,680 top three, top three to like one of those to win versus the 628 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,080 field. Yeah, Yeah. 629 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,400 I think look, there's for sure. And you're like, if you take the 630 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,960 field, you're the biggest Sheila Chep Carrilli fan in the world. 631 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:38,880 Yeah. In the world, yeah. 632 00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,000 Yeah, because, I mean, there are a lot of other. 633 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,120 Or Vivian Cherry. There's a lot of other great 634 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,040 athletes in there, but it's just hard to imagine that that top 3 635 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,480 is so they're so good. Yeah, that it'd be, it's, it's 636 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,080 not out of this world that that one of the that the field wins. 637 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,760 But I mean, yeah, if I'm putting money down, I'm taking that bet 638 00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,240 for sure. All right, let's shift over to 639 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:04,800 the the men's race. We've got another very, very 640 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,920 good field assembled here. But first we're going to go 641 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,239 through some some key race stats. 642 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,639 Of course, record two O 458 by Tamara Tola in 2023. 643 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:16,199 Before that it was like 2O5 flat by Jeffrey Mutai from back in 644 00:34:16,199 --> 00:34:20,000 2005 S Recently people have figured out how to run this 645 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,040 course fast. The average winning time of the 646 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:28,199 last four years has been two O 7, which there are many guys in 647 00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:30,560 this field who have personal best under that. 648 00:34:31,679 --> 00:34:37,159 The and also, I think Mac just said that he did the he was the 649 00:34:37,159 --> 00:34:41,400 one who did the math for these things and that two O 7 was 650 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:46,360 brought down drastically by how fast Tolo ran in 2023. 651 00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:49,840 The average time to 2nd place has been 45 seconds. 652 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,679 But in many cases, like we've seen people, you know, really 653 00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:57,120 together in the in in that Central Park South, like turn 654 00:34:57,120 --> 00:35:04,160 into Central Park and the US course record is 2O9 flat by 655 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:09,400 Connor Mance just last year, the American record holder before he 656 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:13,800 was the American record holder. But what does this tell you, I 657 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,800 guess, about the kind of race that could play out on Sunday, 658 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,760 Eric? Yeah, I mean that do I see like 659 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:28,160 that course record going down? No, no, 204 high on this course 660 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,840 is incred. That's super fast and the way 661 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,600 that Tollah ran that he I mean he really smashed it that day. 662 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:41,440 But yeah, it's you. It's like they often the the the 663 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,200 guys are the ones who sit and kick. 664 00:35:43,520 --> 00:35:47,720 You see it in track races, but in New York, the wit the last 665 00:35:47,720 --> 00:35:50,680 few women's races have the it's been a sit and kick race and the 666 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:56,080 guys have been a bit more strung out, had some big scratches late 667 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,520 in this race. It's not the same storyline as 668 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:04,520 the women's race with where there's, you know, the a super 669 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,400 anticipated matchup. You know, like, like that you 670 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,200 got some absolute Goats in this field with Elliot Kipchoge and 671 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:18,200 Bakayla, genuinely like 2 of the greatest athletes in the sport. 672 00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:20,840 Now do I see that? Look? 673 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,920 I mean, we're looking at this graphic in those PRS. 674 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,120 Those days are gone. Those days are gone, right? 675 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,400 This is like putting like Joe and Benoit Samuelson like on the 676 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:31,800 elite start list if she was like also in the New York City 677 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,120 Marathon. We had to look it up. 678 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,240 How old is Kanunisa Bekele? 43 years old, yeah. 679 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,920 He won't stop doing this. He just won't paid. 680 00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:41,880 Yeah, he oh, he's oh, he's getting paid. 681 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,960 But I mean, yeah, it's Bekele was a late ad, right? 682 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:48,880 He was. Yeah, and he was the one who 683 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,760 reached out to Roadrunners to, like to enter this race. 684 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,160 And I think that's a good sign. Yeah. 685 00:36:55,160 --> 00:37:00,120 Because like, in many cases, Bikele has, you know, been 686 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:04,000 announced months in advance for, like, Berlin or London and then 687 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,240 just shows up and he doesn't look like Bakele. 688 00:37:07,240 --> 00:37:09,720 And then there's times when it's like you have your biggest 689 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:11,640 doubts about, like, does this guy still have it? 690 00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:16,680 And then boom, he'll pop off of two O 4 and you're like he's got 691 00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,440 he's got more years ahead of him. 692 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,520 Most of Bikaley's races are not too far away from my A Weekend 693 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,920 at Bernie's situation. Like, he does not seem like he 694 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:27,480 wants to be there. And it's like, all right, come 695 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,000 on, man. Like, get out there, you got to 696 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,640 go. But his willingness to be here 697 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,680 is a really good sign. He wants to race. 698 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:35,600 Yeah. You've just got Benson Kip Bruto 699 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:39,640 dragging Bikaley's dead body around New York City. 700 00:37:40,240 --> 00:37:42,520 I was like, wow, Weekend at Bernie's is brutal. 701 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:49,200 Jeez, I'm like they're saying somebody looks bad and then 702 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,480 they're saying they look genuinely dead. 703 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,880 Give the guy a break. He's trying his hardest. 704 00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:01,800 He's just had some tough years with injury. 705 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,760 And yeah, he's old and he's old. He's 43 years old. 706 00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:09,720 He does. He does tend to have, he has 707 00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:11,920 great days or he has pretty bad days. 708 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,800 I mean, usually it doesn't have the in between. 709 00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,680 He finishes high up. He's either win this race or 710 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,560 he's coming or he's not finishing the race. 711 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,600 Yeah, Kip Chogi is a little bit different, right? 712 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,640 I don't know what a good day for Kip Chogi looks like. 713 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,480 I think I think an American is beating, you know, Well, for 714 00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,400 sure, I think multiple Americans will be beating Kip Chogi. 715 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,480 This is like a this is like a, a goodbye tour. 716 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,360 I feel like for Kip Jogi, like he's just gonna he's going to 717 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,120 all the races. He's he's kissing, he's kissing 718 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:47,160 babies. Yeah. 719 00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,040 He's, you know, just such an icon of the sport. 720 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,880 So it's he's gonna have, he deserves his goodbye tour. 721 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,760 But yeah, I don't know what like a what a good day or successful 722 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,320 race on Sunday looks like for Kip Jogi. 723 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,960 Yeah, so you see it on the on the screen, there's like the 724 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:06,160 career stats, 11 major wins, 7 global championship medals. 725 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:09,120 His marathon PB is 15940. Unbelievable. 726 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,560 Yeah, the breaking two. Yeah, 1:59 challenge. 727 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,240 Yeah, I'm like, just so does that count? 728 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,920 Like I think you think that counts his? 729 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,200 Body covered the distance. No, it does. 730 00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,160 It doesn't count. That counts as his official PR. 731 00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,240 I would say yes because. What will they list it at? 732 00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:27,520 No, they don't list for athletics. 733 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:28,920 No. No, they don't. 734 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,120 But also. It's like you wouldn't say for 735 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,080 the track, you wouldn't say like your Rd. mile is your is your 736 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:34,600 mile. I did. 737 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,080 Forbid and then I got shit for it from Kyle and. 738 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,960 Yeah, Kyle gets it. Yeah, yeah. 739 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:44,080 But but I I think that well. What do you think? 740 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:46,840 Kipchogi says. I think it says 15940. 741 00:39:47,720 --> 00:39:49,720 I'm like, I'm like, respectful, he. 742 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:54,320 Is when when when he signs things he writes 159 on it. 743 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,480 OK, I I can understand if you're signing things. 744 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,960 But also I think World Athletics also doesn't list Boston 745 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,920 performances as people's like PRS because it's not a record 746 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:06,720 eligible course. And so like if you ran Boston. 747 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:10,680 If Boston was the only marathon and you ran 2O7 there like. 748 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,880 What do you would I think that's OK. 749 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:16,680 I think that's, I think so doing an official like the, the 750 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,320 breaking 2 is a lot different than the, you know, the Boston 751 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,680 Marathon. Yeah, like does Faith Kippiegon 752 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,600 say what does Faith Kippiegon say her mile PB is? 753 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,280 Is it from Breaking 4 or is it I? 754 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,400 Think she probably says 4 O four O 6 as well which is. 755 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:33,440 Pretty. I'm going to give it to him. 756 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,400 I couldn't do it. No, I I like the argument. 757 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,720 It's just I guess legally and technically his PR on the start 758 00:40:40,720 --> 00:40:42,960 list is 2 O one O 9. OK, right. 759 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,040 But nobody likes naturally, technically, so we're going to 760 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,840 go with 115940. Yeah. 761 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,360 All right. So to discuss Kipchoge a little 762 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,480 bit more. And Kipchoge's won three May, so 763 00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:55,560 he's won. He hasn't won. 764 00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:56,480 He's never won New York. He's. 765 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,040 Never won New York and he's never run New York. 766 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,960 This is his first. Time This is Kipchoge's first 767 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:03,360 time running new. York, yeah. 768 00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,040 So he's won. London, he's won. 769 00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:08,720 He's going to hate this course. And he's won Chicago, right? 770 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,000 Yes, he's yeah. Yeah, so he he. 771 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,800 He's going to hate this course before Boston. 772 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,080 He's like this is the exact opposite of breaking too. 773 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:18,720 His. His whole. 774 00:41:18,720 --> 00:41:22,760 I am not breaking too. I want to win all six World 775 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:24,480 Marathon Majors. And when he was saying this, 776 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:29,360 like in 2000 and like 17, it was like, yeah, like, I could see it 777 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:30,600 happening. He was so dominant. 778 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,560 He was like the best in the. World, I think there's no way he 779 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:37,480 doesn't win all six, yeah. Then 2023, he gets exposed in 780 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:41,160 Boston that he's like he cannot run a hilly course. 781 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,160 Yeah, he's not a hill guy. Also for some reason in that 782 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,800 race, like he went to the front and, and, and gunned it, which I 783 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,480 was like bold strategy, like you are not great on down hills. 784 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:55,360 And so when I talked to Patrick Sang and his coach, I was like, 785 00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:57,040 what are you going to do? That's different this time 786 00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,440 around. And apparently the way that they 787 00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:03,880 trained for this one is that they found an even tougher long 788 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,040 run route in Kenya. They have one called the Boston, 789 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,120 which is like really crazy. I think there's YouTube videos 790 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,040 of it. And I like what I when I visited 791 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,600 in 2023, I saw them running it and it was gnarly. 792 00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,280 And they're like, we found something that was even harder. 793 00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:23,320 And we did that multiple times. And they would do, like, testing 794 00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,400 on the guys to see, like, just how fatigued they were. 795 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,960 It's like everyone's quads were shot, all this stuff. 796 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:31,040 And then the guys that Kipchogi trains with who have gone on to 797 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:36,280 run fall marathons or, you know, summer marathons and who have 798 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,960 done the same hill training have fared better. 799 00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,240 But then again, like, that doesn't necessarily correlate 800 00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:44,680 and mean that Kipchogi all of a sudden is like going to be 801 00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:50,400 really good at hills on Sunday. So barring some sort of big 802 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,800 trajectory, I don't see him winning this thing like. 803 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,720 No, certainly not winning that would be. 804 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,880 Wild odds. Yeah. 805 00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,840 It's not happening. Yeah, I wonder what Diplo would 806 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:04,520 put Kip Chogi's. Line at Apparently the 2 spoke 807 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,280 this week. Kip Kipchogi and Diplo, yes. 808 00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:11,040 So Diplo is now just bursting into the running scene. 809 00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:12,400 Yeah, yeah. And there's. 810 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,000 Like, hey, I made a playlist for you for for your marathon. 811 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,960 Yeah, Kipchogi is getting hyped. Up there might be some content 812 00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,280 coming out of that like in the next couple days, but I've been 813 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,560 made aware that I think Diplo and Kipchogi spoke this is. 814 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,920 Like been made aware, yeah. It's, it's sort of like, yeah, 815 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,720 yeah, Trump and Putin spoke on the phone. 816 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,080 I'm being made aware that Kipchogi and Diplo spoke on the 817 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:38,200 phone. So, yeah, I mean, he's, I think 818 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:43,440 he's teasing this big announcement on Sunday. 819 00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,200 So first of all, here's here's what happened in the last 24 820 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:47,360 hours. After the race or before the 821 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:48,480 race? After the race? 822 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,280 After the race. So someone at olympics.com 823 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,480 published an article, I think yesterday saying that Kipchoge 824 00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:01,840 is going to run a marathon in Antarctica and that this is the 825 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,960 final elite marathon of his career this Sunday, New York 826 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,480 City Marathon. I don't know if his elite 827 00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:12,240 marathon or like major marathon. And so then that article comes 828 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:16,440 out yesterday. And then I think Jonathan Galt 829 00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,720 from Let's Run asks him today. He was like, Hey, olympics.com 830 00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:22,800 said this is the final elite marathon race of your career. 831 00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:25,680 Like what's that about? Or like, can you confirm? 832 00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:30,080 And then like, Kipchogi does his thing and he just like, well, 833 00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,920 for for this, he was just like, I'm going to make a huge 834 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,080 announcement on Sunday after the race. 835 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,800 So I just need you to like hold off and like, just stand by. 836 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,920 That's what that's what his answer was for John Galt, Yeah. 837 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,920 Yeah, it was like huge announcements coming on Sunday 838 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,880 after the race. So just like, hold, hold on and 839 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,560 wait and didn't say what it was. And then everyone else starts 840 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,640 asking him about, like, you know, what's it been like 841 00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,360 sucking at the marathon after being so dominant, essentially. 842 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,080 Like not not exactly in those words, but like you can see him 843 00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,640 kind of get a little bit agitated of like being kind of 844 00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,680 softly told, it's like you're not good at this anymore, Like 845 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,280 how long are you going to keep doing this? 846 00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:12,000 And I don't under like he's still running like two O 8 or 847 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:13,640 something like that. Pretty damn good for. 848 00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:20,880 Very good. 42 is however old he is at this point and he was just 849 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,960 like he's moving on to something next year that he's going to 850 00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,520 tease I so maybe I believe the Antarctica thing. 851 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:30,920 Well, you think that Antarctica is just fake news? 852 00:45:31,240 --> 00:45:32,960 No, I don't know, Like I could see it. 853 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,840 I could see it being true. Like, oh, Kipchok is going to 854 00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:39,760 run a marathon in Antarctica and maybe he's going to run a 855 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,600 marathon on what, all 7 continents? 856 00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:46,840 He'd still be missing, like South America, I think Africa as 857 00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,600 well. I don't know. 858 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:52,160 Reinhall did the seven continents in 7-7 days type 859 00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:54,680 thing so I don't know. I think Kipchogi's moving into 860 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,440 his like running influencer era. Actually, I love this for him. 861 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:57,800 Yeah. Yeah. 862 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,400 If you are one of the most special, precious human beings 863 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,480 on the planet, just go do crazy feats and bouts. 864 00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:06,360 Like, what else can you do? Like, you can run. 865 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,920 You can run a marathon faster than any human that's ever 866 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,520 walked the Earth. Like, what else? 867 00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:11,560 Yeah. Could you do? 868 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,480 You can do so many things. The comments section on our 869 00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,640 Instagram posts about like the Kipchogi's big announcement that 870 00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,760 he's teasing is like pretty funny cuz like LeBron just did 871 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:23,480 this right with like teasing that he was like gonna make it 872 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,280 was like the decision Part 2 ended up just being like a 873 00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,320 Hennessy ad. So if Kip Jogi comes out, 874 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,120 that's. What That was a. 875 00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:32,680 Hennessy ad on Sunday. Kip Jogi's like, actually I have 876 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,160 my own round of Laboo boos coming out. 877 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,240 No, this is also part of the Hennessy campaign. 878 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,800 Lebron's team got to. It yeah, he's like Kip Jogi's 879 00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,160 like I want to be part of the Hennessy team. 880 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,760 Think about the the the the team around Nike that's goes to Kip 881 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,680 jogging and says Antarctica, let's do that. 882 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:55,240 And he's like. Sounds cold. 883 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,000 Yeah, he's like, let's he's like, what if I knock off like 884 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,360 I'll go, let's go. Let's do Antarctica last, Let's 885 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:02,720 go Africa. I got need to knock off Africa. 886 00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:05,840 That's an easy one for me. Antarctica sounds like a brutal 887 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,520 trip, but I'm excited for whatever this this announcement 888 00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,640 is come Sunday. Yeah, I what what what would be 889 00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:14,720 the biggest let down? We've done this before when 890 00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:15,440 we're. Like I had to see. 891 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:21,280 I had to see would be the worst. This is like it's the equivalent 892 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,560 of the the briefcase with Noah lyles it. 893 00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,320 Is yeah, this. Is really giving briefcase. 894 00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,280 Yeah, this is. Giving briefcase All right, 895 00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,680 other players we've got in this one, we've got the defending 896 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,560 champion Abdi Nagaya in this one. 897 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,560 He's coming in with a personal best of two O 420 that he just 898 00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:45,040 set at the London Marathon. No, no one really goes 899 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:46,800 back-to-back here in New York City. 900 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:52,640 Joffrey Kent Moore last guy, I think 2017, 2018, but also like, 901 00:47:52,720 --> 00:47:55,320 I mean, at that point, Joffrey Kent Moore was like one of the 902 00:47:55,320 --> 00:48:00,400 best in the world. Abdi when I asked him to sort of 903 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:03,560 like what would make a successful day for you here? 904 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:05,160 He's like, I'd really like to make the podium. 905 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,880 And I was like, OK, how did this training block compared to last 906 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,000 year and he goes last year was better and so like. 907 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,360 He's, he's like, I picked up something from Emily Sisson. 908 00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:15,920 Wow. People are really telling truth. 909 00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,200 Yeah. So maybe this might be the most 910 00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,880 truthful press conference, but he was like, last year was 911 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,240 better. And I was like, OK, or he might 912 00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:23,040 be lying. Yeah. 913 00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:24,800 Everyone's just lying to your face. 914 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,400 Slow playing. And yeah, I guess he was 915 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:31,080 spending some time working. There's a funny part of my 916 00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,360 interview with him where he was in Park City for parts of the 917 00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:37,880 summer training with Stefan Assan and her coach, Tim 918 00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,360 Robbery. And then he just says it wasn't 919 00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,880 Utah was not for me. And then he was like, and he 920 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,840 left and he's like, I gotta go back to Kenya. 921 00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,040 So he went back to Kenya for I think the last stretch of this 922 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,280 training block. But this is his. 923 00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,640 He was like, this might be my last New York. 924 00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:56,600 And I was like, you don't say that while you're here, 'cause 925 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,640 like they'll. Yeah, his agents like, don't say 926 00:48:58,640 --> 00:48:59,960 that dude. Like they'll keep. 927 00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:03,200 Paying you yeah show up you're you're a one like once you're a 928 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,800 one time champ they'll. Just they want you back. 929 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,840 They want you back, they like boasting like we have X amount 930 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,960 of champs coming back. Yeah, it's a good stat. 931 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,680 Yeah, we want the defending champs to come back and good 932 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:13,840 luck. He's like, no, no, no. 933 00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,000 He's like, this is my 25th marathon. 934 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:19,600 And yeah, he's like, this is my 25th marathon. 935 00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:24,120 And I was like, yeah, but like, he's like, I'm 3536. 936 00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:28,760 And so he's, he was being more truthful about like, wow, this 937 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,840 might be toward the end. He said he's got a couple other 938 00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:34,760 majors that he wants to check off in the fall. 939 00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,000 So he's like, this is my, this might be in my last New York. 940 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,800 I was like, OK, wow, go out with a bang. 941 00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:41,760 Abdi. Why not try and make the podium? 942 00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:44,240 But podium would be a good day for Abdi Negea. 943 00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,320 And then in a race like this, when we talk about previous 944 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,360 champs, someone like an Albert career can't be discounted. 945 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,840 The guy won a couple years back. But when you watch these races, 946 00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,560 like you just look at it and it's like that guy was built for 947 00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,360 the New York City Marathon course, doesn't have like the 948 00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:05,520 flashiest of personal best on paper, but he won here before 949 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,200 and it's like that experience stacks. 950 00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:11,960 He does well on like non pace championship style races. 951 00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,520 So I look to him as a little bit of a dark horse. 952 00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,520 We haven't mentioned Benson Caprudo. 953 00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,600 Yeah, I mean this, he might win the whole thing. 954 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,400 Oh, yeah. I, I think he, I think, I think 955 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,360 that I think he's my pick. We were trying to look because 956 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:27,200 he's won. So he's won three major, he's 957 00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:28,640 won three of the majors he's won. 958 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,320 Chicago. Tokyo, yeah. 959 00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,560 We were trying to say like who who's the athlete who's won the 960 00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,960 most of the majors. Obviously Kipchogi's won lots, 961 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,200 but he's he's only won three of them, I'm pretty sure. 962 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:45,000 He's won won 11 times, but it's. 4 He's won four of them. 963 00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:46,040 Chicago. Oh, sorry. 4. 964 00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:48,960 Tokyo. London. 965 00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,960 Berlin. OK, I see. 966 00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,400 So he never. Well, so he he shut the bed in 967 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,640 Boston and then hasn't run this. He had a weekend in Bernie 968 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,080 situation. Yeah, in Boston, as people tend 969 00:50:59,080 --> 00:50:59,800 to do. Yeah. 970 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:05,200 So, OK, so he's won four and so so put put Benson same number of 971 00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,320 of major wins if he gets the the dub this weekend. 972 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,440 That's a good catch, didn't you realize that? 973 00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:11,920 Thank you. Yeah, I knew you'd like that 974 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:12,280 one. Yeah. 975 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,360 All right. So I mean, you kind of like that 976 00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:22,680 someone is quietly going after like the seven, the six, the 977 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:26,720 original six major marathons. So he'd be missing what, 978 00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:28,840 Chicago? He'd be missing he'd. 979 00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:32,240 Won Chicago. He's missing Berlin. 980 00:51:32,240 --> 00:51:34,320 He's missing London. OK, those are really hard to 981 00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,480 win. Yeah, but I mean, he's won the 982 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,320 hard ones. He's won the hard ones. 983 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,400 It's hard to win at Boston, hard to win here. 984 00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:44,680 Yeah. All right. 985 00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,160 So you're, you're both picking Benson Caputo. 986 00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:48,360 I'm going to go with Benson, yeah. 987 00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:51,560 Benson Benson's our boy. I'm going to go. 988 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,440 Can we pull up the start list again, Mac? 989 00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:56,080 See who I'm might be overlooking here? 990 00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:02,400 I'm going to go just off of nothing. 991 00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:03,920 Alexander Batisto, he was at the. 992 00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,440 I didn't talk to him, but like. If you did, he would, he would. 993 00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,800 Lied to me. He won London two years ago and 994 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,160 then I think he beat Abdi in London this year. 995 00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:16,800 So I'm going to go off of that. I'm going to go Alexandra Mutiso 996 00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,920 off of just five General hunch and vibes. 997 00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,400 Yeah. And now we shift our gears over 998 00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:28,120 to the Americans on the men's side, because this one is the 999 00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,000 storyline in this one is the debut. 1000 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:35,680 Lot of debuts, multiples. Guys, fastest American on paper 1001 00:52:35,720 --> 00:52:43,640 is B is embossed because he ran 2O6IN Valencia last December. 1002 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,880 Alex Mayer is a scratch. Reed Fisher I just saw in 1003 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,480 Central Park earlier today getting his shakeout run in. 1004 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,280 He's in this one after the World Championships. 1005 00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:57,880 But the real storyline, I think in this field is the debuts of 1006 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:03,000 Hilary Bohr, Charles Hicks and Joe Clecker, all very different 1007 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,800 athletes. I would say with Hilary Bohr, 1008 00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:11,320 you've got him making an amazing transition to the roads after 1009 00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,840 making an Olympic team and world championship team in the 1010 00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,040 steeplechase. Charles Hicks, former NCAA cross 1011 00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:21,360 country, that champion who was representing Great Britain for a 1012 00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,480 bit and now. Is is this his first race as an 1013 00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:26,600 American? I think yes, Yeah, Well, he was 1014 00:53:26,600 --> 00:53:30,200 racing some of those USATF Rd. races over the summer, but this 1015 00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:31,360 is his first big one I would say. 1016 00:53:31,720 --> 00:53:35,640 And then Joe Clucker, who Joe Clucker comes in, I think with a 1017 00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:41,600 little bit more of the glitz and glam, I would say because 1018 00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,240 listen, he did talk a huge game before the Houston half marathon 1019 00:53:46,240 --> 00:53:50,240 about going after the American record and then didn't come 1020 00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:52,680 anywhere near it. Connor man smashed it. 1021 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:58,800 He ran 61 O 6 in Houston. And there's just high 1022 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,560 expectations for someone like Joe given the fact that he was 1023 00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,560 AUS champion in the 10K. Yeah. 1024 00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:06,920 He's just so, so, so many good accolades on the track. 1025 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,080 Yeah, that. I think the road transition, it 1026 00:54:10,080 --> 00:54:12,280 looks hasn't looked as smooth. Yeah. 1027 00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:17,680 But again, he's so he's so good. You never really know what he's 1028 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:19,800 capable of. And so this will be a big, big 1029 00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:25,800 debut for him and Hilary Bohr, who's again, had a fantastic 1030 00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:29,440 career on the track. Not quite the the times and and 1031 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:33,520 stats of a guy like Clecker, but it's, you know, I know you just 1032 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,200 talked to him and it seems like he's got some like training's 1033 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:38,480 been going well and and this could be a really big day for 1034 00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,280 him on Sunday. Yeah, so you we look at the head 1035 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,800 to head stats. One US title for Joe Clecker, 7 1036 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:48,840 US titles for Hilary Bohr Half marathon PBS Joe Clecker 61 O 6 1037 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:54,040 Hilary Bohr 595525K personal best, which is another recent 1038 00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,640 one that I think they're both taking a lot of confidence from. 1039 00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,800 Joe one hour 12 minutes and 32 seconds and Hillary board ran 1040 00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,160 one hour, 12 minutes and 53 seconds. 1041 00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:10,960 Hillary is the one who I think could shock some people this 1042 00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,040 weekend just coming off of this interview that we did. 1043 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,000 We'll have it up shortly and available for people to listen 1044 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:23,760 to in podcast form. He is just going to race, I 1045 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,440 think. And like, I like that approach 1046 00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,680 to like a debut. He's super fit. 1047 00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,200 He was rattling off some of these workouts that were very 1048 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:37,120 impressive and I I'm just feeling really good about it. 1049 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:38,720 You. Think top American for Hillary 1050 00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:40,040 Bore. I think top American in 1051 00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,480 potential podium. Oh wow. 1052 00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,200 I think 3rd place is in 3rd. Place Hillary bore I I think 1053 00:55:44,240 --> 00:55:45,760 that's. In the cards. 1054 00:55:45,840 --> 00:55:49,240 Hillary's not the only American that's gone steeplechase to 1055 00:55:49,240 --> 00:55:51,760 marathon. Sarah Hall. 1056 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:55,080 Oh yeah, Sarah Hall was, was an American steeple for a really 1057 00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,000 long time. Transition to the marathon has 1058 00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,960 been on a podium and at marathon majors. 1059 00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,000 I think we could see the same thing with Hillary. 1060 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:07,080 I I think there's an element of sort of leg resilience and 1061 00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,240 hardness of, of the legs that's required for steeplechase 1062 00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:13,000 training. It sneakily translates really 1063 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:14,160 well to marathon. Yeah. 1064 00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:17,560 So I think the one thing I brought up to Hillary and I just 1065 00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,280 asked this to BIA as well and to Joe. 1066 00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:26,120 Well, like at some point in this race, the likes of a Benson 1067 00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,280 Capruto is going to throw in like a crazy surge. 1068 00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,200 Like that's just what Evans Chabet has done coming off of 1069 00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:36,680 the Queensboro Bridge. And we'll try to like break the 1070 00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,720 field right at 16 miles or whatever it is. 1071 00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:40,920 And then that's when you know the real racing is going to 1072 00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,120 begin. If you are one of these top 1073 00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,000 Americans, like you're going to have to decide, do I cover that 1074 00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,680 move, which is something that like Conor Mintz has done in the 1075 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,600 past, it's something that a Galen Rupp has done in the past, 1076 00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:55,800 very seasoned and experienced marathoners at that point in 1077 00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,560 their careers. When they do that, these guys 1078 00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:00,760 are all super young. So they might be thinking, well, 1079 00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,960 that's the race for the top five. 1080 00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:05,680 Like we are going to just have to battle this out for top 1081 00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,280 American honors. There's prize money for top 1082 00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:11,240 American here. And but I think what I got from 1083 00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:15,520 all three of them was that Hilary Bohr is going to go with 1084 00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:19,160 the lead group. If he's so so, let's say the the 1085 00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:21,440 Kipruto surge happens at 16 miles. 1086 00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,360 Hillary Board goes with it. Yeah, OK. 1087 00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:25,360 Wow. He's like, I'll go. 1088 00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,600 BIA I think is probably in a similar boat without saying it 1089 00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:32,160 as like explicitly. Well, B is going to do what 1090 00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:35,280 he'll because B is not going to want Hillary board to beat him. 1091 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,320 No. So it's like I could see BIA 1092 00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:41,640 being like no I probably wouldn't go with a Kipruto move 1093 00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,360 but if he's seeing Hilary board go with it. 1094 00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:46,240 Can back your ass. B is going to be going with it 1095 00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,520 too. And then there's Joe, who's got 1096 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:55,160 this already devised race plan and like he is going to stick 1097 00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:59,120 with it to as much as he can because I think he just wants. 1098 00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:00,560 Yeah. What is the What is the race 1099 00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:02,400 plan? Race the Americans. 1100 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,640 But then when I brought this scenario up to him, I was like, 1101 00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:06,960 but what if BA goes yeah with like? 1102 00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,080 Yeah, what if BA races? He goes Caprudo. 1103 00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:12,640 He's like, that's something I've thought about and like my plan 1104 00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:17,640 kind of has like A like AI don't know, like a pivot to. 1105 00:58:17,760 --> 00:58:22,240 BA, Plan B. Yeah, to like, think about what 1106 00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,040 I'm going to be able to do in that situation. 1107 00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:25,240 I think he ends up letting him go. 1108 00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,720 I mean, the moves, it's, there's a reason why people don't cover 1109 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:31,040 the move because it's so hard to do. 1110 00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:37,680 Like you're at 16 miles in a very hilly course and they these 1111 00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,800 moves that they make are absolutely brutal. 1112 00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:41,400 Yeah, coming off the Queensboro Bridge. 1113 00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:45,240 I mean, you wouldn't be able to cover that move now, you know, 1114 00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:50,440 it's like, I don't see it, Like Clecker isn't covering a AA420 1115 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:55,960 mile at mile 16 by Capruto. Yeah, it's so it's. 1116 00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,520 And if Nathan is is telling Helen O'berry to. 1117 00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:01,160 Not make. Moves. 1118 00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:05,240 And wait, why would he tell Joe Clucker, unproven, untested in 1119 00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,240 the marathon to cover Benson Capruto's moves? 1120 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:10,200 I think that's a recipe for a a a blow up. 1121 00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:12,840 Yeah. And I think what Joe wants is we 1122 00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,000 go back a couple years and this just kind of just goes to show, 1123 00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:17,960 just like the advances that American Marathoning has made in 1124 00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,320 the last 5-6 years. It's like we had a year once or 1125 00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:25,600 I believe it was like Jared Ward racing like Chris Derrick and 1126 00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:30,480 like one or two other guys for like 8th place and top American 1127 00:59:30,480 --> 00:59:33,280 honors. And it's like, I think that's 1128 00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,600 sort of like the type of race that Joe is kind of hoping for. 1129 00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:41,400 But when you have these two talents like Abia or Hillary, it 1130 00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:43,280 just kind of throws a wrench in it into that like. 1131 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:47,080 There's a lot of other great Americans for for Joe to to key 1132 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,760 off it, right? I mean, Reed Fisher has run lots 1133 00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,560 of lots of marathons, is kind of a smart racer. 1134 00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,600 He's kind of like one of the veterans as far as like the 1135 00:59:56,600 --> 01:00:00,600 American marathon eraser goes. The same with Colin Benny. 1136 01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:05,240 So I think, and I mean we haven't even mentioned Charles 1137 01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:06,320 Hicks yet. I have no. 1138 01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:08,160 Idea what Charles Hicks is gonna do he's. 1139 01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,520 Been pretty good on the road so far. 1140 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,120 He beat, I think, a lot of these guys, Cherry. 1141 01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:17,520 Boss Yeah, no, he's he's run some really good Rd. races and 1142 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,080 he's somebody who could for sure sneak in there and run a lot 1143 01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,280 better than then. We we haven't really gassed him 1144 01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:26,440 up yet, but he's someone who absolutely could have a big day. 1145 01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:31,160 Yeah, it's also, you know, fascinating that he has chosen 1146 01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:32,080 to. He's like, you know what I've 1147 01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:34,760 had it with like the British Athletics, like selection 1148 01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,880 policy, like I'm going to run for America. 1149 01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,880 Is that so? It was the decision to run for 1150 01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:42,960 America was because of the UK selection process? 1151 01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:44,800 Yeah. Yeah, I, I think so just cuz 1152 01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:48,680 it's like, no, I think like like there's a rumor out there that 1153 01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:53,840 like they're not going to take BU times anymore for like if you 1154 01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:58,360 run the qualifying, the world championship standard at BU. 1155 01:00:58,360 --> 01:00:59,920 For track. For track like. 1156 01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:04,040 They're they're cutting BU out. We'll be like, no, I think they 1157 01:01:04,040 --> 01:01:06,000 want more people to run their races out in Europe. 1158 01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:07,360 And so I'm just rumor. Mongering. 1159 01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,360 Oh, it's just, it's just, it's just, it's just the UK athletic 1160 01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,560 UK type thing. People not in the US got to say 1161 01:01:13,560 --> 01:01:16,120 they don't like the BU track. No, it yeah. 1162 01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,840 Which it's a hack in the world athletic system, yeah. 1163 01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,680 Like it's kind of Fair. It's like your PRBU, you got to 1164 01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,520 run it somewhere else but before I believe it. 1165 01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:26,680 Hot take. Hot take. 1166 01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,960 Really hot take. Actually, I'll give you the NES 1167 01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:34,280 159 challenge, but I will not. Give you that's actually crazy. 1168 01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:39,080 You won't. You won't take BU times, but you 1169 01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:41,920 will take the sub 2. Keep telling. 1170 01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:43,880 Yeah, yeah. Look, we're all full of 1171 01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:46,080 contradictions and stuff and these and this is yours. 1172 01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:49,000 We have to confront our personal biases and and I'm doing it 1173 01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:50,520 live. You're so you. 1174 01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,600 Did you ever race BU? Yeah, my P Rs aren't from BU. 1175 01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:55,640 OK. Are your palm down? 1176 01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,080 Are the. Bestest times you've ever run? 1177 01:01:57,080 --> 01:01:58,440 Easy. Happy you. 1178 01:01:58,440 --> 01:01:59,760 No. OK, No. 1179 01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,480 It's an easier pill to swallow. When that's not the case, then 1180 01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:06,040 yeah, it's easier to throw stones. 1181 01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:09,520 But yeah, no. So then I think Charles takes is 1182 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,440 just sort of like I want. Charles takes like, you're not 1183 01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:13,720 gonna take a BU time. See you about it. 1184 01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,160 You know who will? America. 1185 01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:20,800 America loves BU. America loves BU. 1186 01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:22,920 He's like. And therefore I will try and run 1187 01:02:22,920 --> 01:02:23,560 for America. Yeah. 1188 01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,120 It's just. Forklift actually the the 1189 01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:32,720 linchpin on his decision of what country to represent lies on the 1190 01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:34,040 BU track. Could be. 1191 01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:38,720 Hurting your first, Yeah, the UK is like, look, we got to make a 1192 01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,160 tough decision. We might lose a lot of athletes 1193 01:02:41,880 --> 01:02:45,160 over this B this where we're coming down on the BU decision. 1194 01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,960 So Charles takes my Charles takes about to open the 1195 01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:49,920 floodgates and there's going to be more athletes crossing. 1196 01:02:49,920 --> 01:02:52,560 Mass exodus. Yeah, they're like begging Josh 1197 01:02:52,560 --> 01:03:01,280 Curry and Jake Whiteman to stay. All right, so he's got his debut 1198 01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,880 on Sunday, the marathon, I think like, all right, what? 1199 01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:06,080 What do you think the top American run? 1200 01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:08,560 And who is the great and who is it? 1201 01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,920 I mean, for me, it's it's it's down to be. 1202 01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:16,880 And Hilary Bohr. Do I think they come? 1203 01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:18,240 So what? Let's see. 1204 01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:22,760 Connor Mance ran 209 here last year. 209 flat, right? 1205 01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:26,280 Yeah, I don't think they, I don't think they get that. 1206 01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:30,880 I could see them. I could see 209. 1207 01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:37,040 My Diplo line will be 20937. I love that. 1208 01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:41,000 Actually I like that. I think and I think, I think I'm 1209 01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,760 going to go BIA. I think, I think Hillary will be 1210 01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,120 I, you know, it's, it's tough because it debut marathon. 1211 01:03:48,320 --> 01:03:51,480 You there's you don't know what to what to really expect, 1212 01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,480 especially in New York. It's such a tough course. 1213 01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,280 But yeah, it's it's a toss up for me. 1214 01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:00,640 Honestly I could go either way, but I think I'm going to go BIA 1215 01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:04,120 for this one. I'll contradict you and go 1216 01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:08,360 Hillary. Yeah, because I I think BIA has 1217 01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,520 earn the right in his mind to go for it. 1218 01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:14,080 But that that presents risks, right? 1219 01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,080 Like if you, we've seen Conor Mance have this situation where 1220 01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:18,920 you're going with these moves, you're going with these moves, 1221 01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,040 you're going with these moves and you're kind of cracking, 1222 01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:22,400 cracking, cracking until it hits. 1223 01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:26,200 And I think we might see be a kind of go through that trial by 1224 01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:28,600 fire of. Like you think you think B is 1225 01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:30,400 going to go with the move and then blow up a bit. 1226 01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,160 A bit, yeah. And I think Hillary might play 1227 01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:38,200 it a bit, a bit safer in there's not just one move made, right, 1228 01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:39,720 like there will be several moves. 1229 01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:44,800 I think Hillary might be a little bit more conservative in 1230 01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:47,360 the very, very later stages And and surprise. 1231 01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:50,560 I'm going to go with Hillary as the top American. 1232 01:04:50,560 --> 01:04:55,320 Just the way he also races on the roads is is very suited for 1233 01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:59,920 for this where he and it's kind of I think like the Kenyan style 1234 01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:03,040 of just throwing in fart licks and like really quick surges all 1235 01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:04,440 throughout then hitting the brakes. 1236 01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,760 Like I could see him doing that and it will no, I think that's 1237 01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:09,760 what will be happening in the front end of the pack. 1238 01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:12,040 And since he's accustomed to doing that himself in some of 1239 01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,840 these US championship races, like he'll just have more guys 1240 01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:17,640 around him to key off of. And so I'm going to go, Hillary 1241 01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:21,040 as the top American, none of us picking Joe Clucker. 1242 01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,280 Is it going to be safe for you to go back to Boulder and and 1243 01:05:24,280 --> 01:05:25,160 walk around? I think. 1244 01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:28,440 Joe would say this about himself too. 1245 01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:32,800 Like, I mean, I don't know, I, I think it's hard to bet against 1246 01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:35,960 Abia who's run run 206. It's hard to bet against 1247 01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,160 Hillary, who's run 59 minutes for half. 1248 01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,320 I, I Yeah. I mean, I don't think it's, it's 1249 01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:42,240 not, it's not. A knock. 1250 01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:47,080 It's not a knock on Joe to say that he's that he isn't so far 1251 01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:50,840 and look, it's it's early in his Rd. career maybe, but it's just 1252 01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:53,840 not he's hasn't he's not as good on the roads as he was on the 1253 01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,840 track sometimes. And he takes. 1254 01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:58,720 An adjustment exactly. And so it's not saying that he's 1255 01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:02,040 he couldn't have a fantastic and successful career on the roads. 1256 01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:05,360 It's just not hasn't been as I mean, this is a guy who is 1257 01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:10,680 beating Grant Fisher for in 10K and 10K the Olympic trials, 1258 01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:11,600 right? Wasn't that where he'd be? 1259 01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,240 It's like, so, yeah, when you, when you do that, when you run 1260 01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:18,320 that well, he's sub sub 13 guy, sub 27 guy. 1261 01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:22,720 I believe it's like that. You have some expectations come 1262 01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:23,680 along with that. Yeah. 1263 01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:27,720 And you, you and you want those expectations, like you've earned 1264 01:06:27,720 --> 01:06:30,560 those expectations and the pressure to be put on you when 1265 01:06:30,560 --> 01:06:35,280 you're that good and to he just isn't the transition hasn't been 1266 01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,920 as smooth as we've seen with a with a lot of the distance guys. 1267 01:06:38,920 --> 01:06:44,640 But yeah, I don't I think top American would be a huge, huge 1268 01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,200 day for him. And I think, but I just think it 1269 01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,400 is, I mean, these guys are good like like. 1270 01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:52,800 The. Game has changed a bit. 1271 01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:58,640 BA is a 2O6 guy. Hillary Bore has run super well 1272 01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:02,960 on the roads and yeah, I think it would just take a huge day 1273 01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,640 for him and those guys to kind of drop the ball a bit for 1274 01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:07,440 Clucker. Down, up as the top American. 1275 01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,240 You see this thing that Joe, I think it was on the Coffee Club 1276 01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,320 and I think he mentioned it on my podcast that he's taking 175 1277 01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,000 grams of carbs. For hours. 1278 01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:19,440 Wow, that's incredible. But he is larger, a larger 1279 01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,120 fellow. We are looking at Obdi's stats 1280 01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:25,640 of being 55, a 119 lbs like that. 1281 01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,520 Really. Yes, yes, that's his diminutive. 1282 01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:30,480 He's like, we're just, we're just airing out. 1283 01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:33,480 He's like, he's like I. Knew I should have kept my drew 1284 01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:36,480 on my. 55, yeah. Yeah, He's like, he's like, 1285 01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:37,560 that's not right. He's like. 1286 01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:39,640 The alpha flies. I had two inches, he's. 1287 01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:42,600 Like, I'm five, I'm 57. He's like, where's Camille Heron 1288 01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:46,480 when you need her? I need to change my Wikipedia. 1289 01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:55,440 But that does that does the the marathon is incredibly taxing on 1290 01:07:55,440 --> 01:07:58,560 the body and Clecker is a bigger dude. 1291 01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:02,280 Look, the this is this is this is something that the Americans 1292 01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,080 go up against. We are not built like they they 1293 01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:09,160 are these Africans it we like, I like some. 1294 01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:11,760 Are some are Sisson is Emily Sisson is. 1295 01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,360 Yeah, No, I was. I was just kind of talking about 1296 01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:16,000 the guys. The guy I'm talking about, the 1297 01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:16,560 guys that's. Right. 1298 01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:19,640 That's right. Yeah, not a lot of yeah just 1299 01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,560 different builds. Yeah we're corn fed, king size 1300 01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:27,319 McDonald's, Americans, lots of GMOs in our food. 1301 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:34,319 They we are big boys compared to 5 five, 119 LB Abdi. 1302 01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:38,120 So yeah, clickers got to carve up, baby. 1303 01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,040 Carve up. You got to fuel the body. 1304 01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:43,880 You got to fuel the body. But it it just it also shows 1305 01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:46,080 because I saw the clip where he was talking about that they are 1306 01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,439 very dialed in with these things. 1307 01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,920 And it's like people, I think we've come so far in these 1308 01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:53,080 things. It's like, Oh yeah, the 1309 01:08:53,080 --> 01:08:56,359 feeling's important. But like now you're realizing 1310 01:08:56,479 --> 01:08:58,439 just how important it is. It's essential. 1311 01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:01,760 It's very yeah, it's one of the IT can it makes or breaks. 1312 01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,800 And so did for I'm it's not just randomly that clickers taking in 1313 01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,680 whatever number you said 1500 carbs an hour. 1314 01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,120 That's honestly impressive to have to be able to train your 1315 01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:16,240 body to accept that. Oh yeah, I mean, I mean. 1316 01:09:16,399 --> 01:09:19,040 Yeah, he was saying like, because I, I said you went on 1317 01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:22,000 like the podcast circuit, like last week you a coffee club, my 1318 01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:26,240 show on the Tin Man podcast. And like I saw that like you've 1319 01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:30,399 gone viral for like how much you're going to be taking during 1320 01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:32,240 these races. I was like, so in the last 1321 01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:34,399 couple days, like have you gotten any sort of like feedback 1322 01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:36,399 that makes you want to like second guess or like change 1323 01:09:36,399 --> 01:09:37,479 things? I'm sure like there's science 1324 01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:39,439 folks out there who are just like, that's too much, like 1325 01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:40,680 that's going to backfire and all that stuff. 1326 01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:43,279 Like, but he's done it in training and he's like, no, like 1327 01:09:43,520 --> 01:09:46,240 it's worked. I'm going to test it out and try 1328 01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,160 it on race day and we'll see what happens. 1329 01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:51,880 But he did say he got some messages from other people being 1330 01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,400 like when I've tried that, like all of I've just thrown up like, 1331 01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:57,200 and so we'll see. It's I think there are a lot of 1332 01:09:57,200 --> 01:10:00,320 these guys like it's they just want to try the marathon and see 1333 01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,120 what works and what doesn't. And then from there, I'll in 1334 01:10:02,120 --> 01:10:04,560 your second go around like you'll have just so much more 1335 01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:08,520 data and like areas to look and be like, OK, that's easily where 1336 01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:10,160 I could have, you know, tinkered with things. 1337 01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:14,480 There's a lot of there's a lot coming out of triathlon of sort 1338 01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:19,400 of these bigger Norwegian guys on a mega amount of carbs 1339 01:10:19,400 --> 01:10:21,800 winning World Championships in in triathlon. 1340 01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,320 So there is data there that's happening in cycling. 1341 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,960 This is you got big boys riding fast on. 1342 01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,920 Inertia. Of carbs an hour and it's 1343 01:10:31,920 --> 01:10:34,440 working, so he's really on to something. 1344 01:10:34,440 --> 01:10:37,840 You got, you got Clecker on a big downhill walks him fly. 1345 01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:42,960 All right. So I think we've locked in all 1346 01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:45,120 of our predictions on our women's side. 1347 01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:48,600 We didn't winner, to be honest, wait, say who we thought was 1348 01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:51,040 going to win. Oh no, we didn't. 1349 01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:55,320 We didn't. I think I'm going to go with, I 1350 01:10:55,320 --> 01:10:56,760 think I'll, I'll, I'll pick Stephane. 1351 01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:01,480 I think, I think that's, I think that's who I'm going to pick for 1352 01:11:01,480 --> 01:11:03,120 the win. I'm picking Sharon. 1353 01:11:03,800 --> 01:11:06,880 Yeah, I'm going to go. Go. 1354 01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:07,720 Helen. You know what? 1355 01:11:07,720 --> 01:11:09,280 Let's let's all have a dog in a fight. 1356 01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:10,160 Great. Yeah. 1357 01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,920 Yeah. We got over under how many Stop 1358 01:11:14,200 --> 01:11:17,280 I. Could see Stefan just having the 1359 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:18,520 the stopping for the quad stretch. 1360 01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,520 I'm gonna go quad stretch, yes. I'm the Queensboro Bridge. 1361 01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,680 I'm gonna go. Stefan Hassan stops for a little 1362 01:11:23,680 --> 01:11:26,760 break at some point. I like, I like Queensboro 1363 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,240 Bridge. Queensboro Bridge, yeah. 1364 01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:30,880 She's she just stops just to look, she's just looking at 1365 01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:33,720 taking the view. Vandal, are you listening like 1366 01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:35,520 we've got some good prop bets here? 1367 01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:37,080 She stops on the Queensboro Bridge. 1368 01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:39,440 Why? Wonder what Diplo we should call 1369 01:11:39,440 --> 01:11:41,880 it? Because now Diplo says is like 1370 01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:45,960 the he's the running guy. I wonder who Diplo's got for for 1371 01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:50,000 his pick. They asked Stephon, Is there 1372 01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:53,280 anything you want to do in New York that is not running 1373 01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:56,680 related? And she was like, yeah, I want 1374 01:11:56,760 --> 01:12:00,120 to get a slice of pizza and eat it standing up. 1375 01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:03,560 And like, I was like, I think she means like to fold, but I 1376 01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:06,360 guess she's just seen people folding the slice standing 1377 01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:08,600 outside of a pizzeria. She wants, she wants to do, she 1378 01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:10,720 wants the New York fold and the iconic. 1379 01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:12,560 These are things. These are easy, easy things to 1380 01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,160 do while you're here. They asked her then it was a 1381 01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,360 little girl. I think it was like New York Rd. 1382 01:12:17,360 --> 01:12:19,880 runners like brought in a little girl to like ask, you know, 3 1383 01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:21,600 cute questions. And I think one of them was 1384 01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:27,520 like, if you could, could have a, a fuels like a station along 1385 01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:29,720 the course with any sort of food, what would it be? 1386 01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:33,840 And she goes apples. And then she goes actually apple 1387 01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:36,080 pie. Better answer, yeah. 1388 01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:38,160 All right, cool. All right. 1389 01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:39,520 Very. American. 1390 01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:41,920 We would get this girl a piece of pizza and apple pie there. 1391 01:12:41,960 --> 01:12:43,200 Was a horse. There was a horse in the 1392 01:12:43,200 --> 01:12:43,880 audience. The horse. 1393 01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:48,480 Like Yup, that's a good answer. Totally agree. 1394 01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:59,480 I just want to be inside of your brain for one day. 1395 01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:10,800 Anyway, well, good show. Oh wait, what about the celebs? 1396 01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:14,880 What celebs are running? This is always a celeb studded. 1397 01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,880 This is a list, yeah. Absolutely no celebs ran 1398 01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,800 Chicago. No, we, we tried to find 1399 01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:21,480 someone. It was. 1400 01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:23,880 It was nobody there. Was one person from Love Island. 1401 01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:27,880 Celebrities running the New York City Marathon. 1402 01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:32,000 So the oh, it's behind a paywall in Runners world. 1403 01:13:32,200 --> 01:13:35,920 Let's find another link. Or there's actually a paywall 1404 01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,160 remover I use. Oh wow. 1405 01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:39,640 Don't tell the. Don't tell the. 1406 01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:48,320 Yeah, it worked all right. Anthony Ramos from In the 1407 01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:51,760 Heights. He was also in the original cast 1408 01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,440 of Hamilton. Yes, he's been coached by Des 1409 01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:56,720 Linden for this marathon. Wow, I love that. 1410 01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,600 Ben Gibbard and Dave Depper. Is that from Death Cab for 1411 01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:02,480 Cutie? Oh. 1412 01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:04,480 Loved them in high school? Sure. 1413 01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:08,880 Claire Holt. She's the actress from H2O. 1414 01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,680 She ran 342O. She's fast. 1415 01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,880 And take it back there is is this going in? 1416 01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:19,040 Is this the the a listers first? Is it just going to get? 1417 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,360 I think it gets worse from here. Jesus. 1418 01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,720 We're Oliver Phelps, who played George Weasley in the Harry 1419 01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:26,640 Potter films. OK, we got a Weasley brother. 1420 01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:30,520 That's better. Noriega the rapper. 1421 01:14:30,520 --> 01:14:32,120 There we go. OK, No, we're getting better. 1422 01:14:32,200 --> 01:14:35,040 He's the Drink Champs podcast host. 1423 01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:37,320 Noriega's running. Yeah, his marathon debut. 1424 01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,640 Big debut, yeah, Right up there with Plucker. 1425 01:14:40,680 --> 01:14:41,720 Right up there with Plucker. He's. 1426 01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:43,120 Yeah, he's in the tracker for. Sure. 1427 01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,680 Yeah, he's. He's going for top American. 1428 01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:48,840 Jordan Litz, the he's he was in Wicked. 1429 01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:50,120 I think he's playing. Yeah. 1430 01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:55,160 Fiero in in Wicked right now. Murli Dandridge. 1431 01:14:55,160 --> 01:14:57,120 I don't know who that is. Oh, she's from Haiti's town. 1432 01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:01,400 I should know that, probably. Oh, the amazing Rays host Phil 1433 01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:03,080 Keegan. Who's racing? 1434 01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:07,400 I'd love to be on that show. Would you 2 do The Amazing Race 1435 01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:09,240 together? I'm not familiar with The 1436 01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:10,480 Amazing Race, Eric. What? 1437 01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,080 But yeah, obviously I would do the amazing if. 1438 01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:17,360 I so this has been discussed like Emma Cobra, Cobra and I 1439 01:15:17,360 --> 01:15:19,520 will win The Amazing Race. Like if you had to put two 1440 01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,000 people together like we could definitely win The Amazing Race. 1441 01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:27,200 Have you ever replied No? OK, no, I think, I think we we 1442 01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:28,960 should apply with you and Emma and then we should apply with 1443 01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:30,000 you and Eric. I love it. 1444 01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:31,800 I love it. First off, yeah, I'm like, I'm 1445 01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:32,560 sorry. Yeah, TD. 1446 01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:34,760 It is not going to be. You they're like, would you guys 1447 01:15:34,760 --> 01:15:36,680 do The Amazing Race? And you're like, I would do it 1448 01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:38,720 with Emma. Yeah, no, she is. 1449 01:15:39,080 --> 01:15:40,880 She is my girl for The Amazing Race. 1450 01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:42,520 OK, love you. But it's OK. 1451 01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:45,760 I don't think, I don't think we have the problem solving skills 1452 01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:48,400 with our powers combined that that we need for The Amazing 1453 01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:50,560 Race. These guys would do great. 1454 01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:52,120 Thank you. Thank you, Chris. 1455 01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,840 My God. Yeah. 1456 01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:56,920 OK. We'll, we'll put in both names. 1457 01:15:57,040 --> 01:15:58,720 Yeah, yeah. I don't want to do it anymore 1458 01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:02,120 with you. I'm withdrawing my name. 1459 01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:06,640 Who else we got? We got a bunch of Bachelor 1460 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,520 Bachelorette stars. Actually. 1461 01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:11,840 Zach Clark was just here. He won The Bachelorette a couple 1462 01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:13,600 years ago. He's running for the Release 1463 01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,160 Recovery Foundation. Matt James is running again. 1464 01:16:17,680 --> 01:16:21,440 Love Island USA alums. This is your guy's show. 1465 01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,200 Brian Arnolas. He's in it. 1466 01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:31,000 Nick Bansterbergy, Elon Bebas. Oh yeah, I think we're. 1467 01:16:31,680 --> 01:16:33,800 And then Carl Radke from Summer House. 1468 01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:37,640 That's the celebrity list, OK. Week, yeah, week year for 1469 01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:41,000 celebs, I think I mean Matt James will clean up and and that 1470 01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:42,800 yeah. Yeah, he's doing the thing where 1471 01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,240 he starts in the front of everyone with the MasterCard 1472 01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,280 start or whatever it is. I think I saw him at the track 1473 01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:51,680 the other day and that's what he mentioned, and then I think in 1474 01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:55,000 the 5K tomorrow there's a couple people running like this 1475 01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:55,920 election. Like, you know what? 1476 01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:57,240 Let's. Just go ahead and take the. 1477 01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:00,520 Take the distance down, let's do a 5K that's more civilized. 1478 01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:02,560 Yeah, yeah, more people should be running the 5K. 1479 01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:04,040 We've got that race tomorrow too. 1480 01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:07,280 Small fields. Yeah, really small fields. 1481 01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:09,360 They're going to 8 I think on both sides so. 1482 01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,200 Both sides, yeah. You want to get up there, just 1483 01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:15,160 eat, lace them up. There's prize money through top 1484 01:17:15,160 --> 01:17:16,760 8. May as well knock somebody out. 1485 01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,200 And wasn't this this is the race where they almost got ran over 1486 01:17:20,200 --> 01:17:23,000 by truck, right? Hit by bus last last year, I 1487 01:17:23,160 --> 01:17:24,840 think, yeah. I'm like, I just got to if I 1488 01:17:24,840 --> 01:17:29,960 can, if I can, if I can maneuver my way outside of that bus and 1489 01:17:29,960 --> 01:17:32,760 some and it takes out the whole field, I could be looking at a 1490 01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:33,640 payday. Yeah. 1491 01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:38,880 So yeah, yeah, maybe I will run it. 1492 01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:41,040 We can't afford not to run it. Great. 1493 01:17:41,200 --> 01:17:44,440 Yeah. You can hook this up your rocket 1494 01:17:44,440 --> 01:17:47,080 X threes. And 100% get the carbon plated. 1495 01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:53,320 Avoid the bus successful day. All right, I think that does it 1496 01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:58,920 for the CDs Mag final prediction show from the Hoka store on 5th 1497 01:17:58,920 --> 01:18:02,160 Ave. We will be back here live on 1498 01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:07,480 Sunday morning starting at 8:00 AM to go through and give you 1499 01:18:07,480 --> 01:18:11,680 all of our reactions and commentary and analysis as the 1500 01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:15,560 pro races unfold. I've been Chris Chavez with Aish 1501 01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:18,520 Pratlier and Eric Jenkins. Oh, yeah, we've got our group 1502 01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:19,760 run. So if you're listening to this 1503 01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,280 and you're in the New York City area, we've got our group run at 1504 01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:27,400 10 AM out of the Hoka store on 5th Ave. 1505 01:18:27,560 --> 01:18:30,720 When you type it into Google Maps, make sure it's the 5th 1506 01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,000 Ave. location. We'll be meeting here at 10 AM 1507 01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:37,480 on Saturday. Easy miles along the East Side 1508 01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:40,640 waterfront and then get the hang. 1509 01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:43,680 A lot of free giveaways. We got some tote bags, some 1510 01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:48,080 shirts, lots. The tote bag is very cute. 1511 01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:50,640 Vanna White here will bring it for us. 1512 01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:53,400 Look at this. This is the the Sidious bag 1513 01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:56,840 2025. Very nice. 1514 01:18:56,840 --> 01:19:00,040 Very nice, love it. All right, that does it. 1515 01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:02,840 We'll see you guys on Sunday. Thanks for watching. 1516 01:19:02,840 --> 01:19:03,640 Thanks for listening.