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It is January 26th. 
I'm Chris Chavez. 

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I'm Kyle Merber. 
And on today's show, American 

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middle distance running is back 
on top. 

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At the New Balance Indoor Grand 
Prix in Boston, we had two 

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American men breaking indoor 
world records at the same meet. 

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We had Hobbes, Kessler taking 
down the 2K world record, Josh 

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Hoey obliterating a 29 year old 
record in the 800. 

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And if it sounds familiar, it's 
because it happened last year at

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the Milrose Games. 
And now we will be getting ready

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for the Milrose Games taking 
place this weekend where more 

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records could fall. 
So lots of records falling, but 

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so we're going to recap 
everything that took place at 

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the New Balance Indoor Grand 
Prix. 

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We've got other results from 
across the country, a light 

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preview of the Middle Rose 
Games, and then some more news. 

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But First things first, 
obviously, we have to address 

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the fact that Kyle's back. 
Kyle, welcome back. 

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Thanks, good to be here. 
We should note that we did not 

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kill Preet. 
Preet is just traveling from 

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Boston down to New York right 
now, and so he couldn't hop on. 

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Yeah, that's right. 
Preet won't be won't be 

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replaced. 
No, Preet's still around. 

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Yeah, I guess I thought I could 
just do a George Costanza and 

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like, show up back at work and 
not really acknowledge anything 

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that happened. 
But I guess I'm really glad to 

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be back. 
I mean, I haven't, we haven't 

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spoken in like 2 years. 
Chris, how have you been? 

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I've been good, yeah, Lots has 
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last two years. 
But we're doing OK at Sidia 

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since you left. 
But no, over the past couple 

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weeks, we've done a little bit 
of a, a soft sort of soft launch

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to you coming back. 
We had you called into off the 

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rails, left a voicemail and then
you wrote a section for the Lap 

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Count newsletter. 
And now you're full on back on 

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on this podcast. 
I I'm pumped to be back. 

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I love talking about track with 
my friends. 

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Excited to do that. 
Obviously I should like address 

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the fact of everything that 
happened. 

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I've been radio silent since I 
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everything that was gonna 
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And, you know, I learned much of
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scenes like everyone else 
through news articles. 

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I wish I could come on here and 
like tell everyone the, the real

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behind the scenes truth of what 
happened, but I I got blindsided

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as badly as I think you could 
have. 

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And I don't have that much more 
information than anyone else. 

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It was a pretty bad summer. 
Is that fair to say? 

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I had a bad summer. 
Yeah. 

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It was not a fun personal summer
for me. 

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But, you know, I just, you know,
I I'm a big boy. 

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I dealt with it. 
I, I definitely like, you know, 

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spent some extra time with my 
family this summer and, you 

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know, got through it. 
And I'm very happy to have that 

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now in the past and behind me, I
think, you know, I'm, I've, I've

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started a new job and you know. 
Back to corporate Kyle. 

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Back to corporate Kyle, we've 
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corporate Kyle. 
And yeah, I mean, Chris, I guess

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what questions, how, how should 
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want to spend on this? 
From the people dragging your 

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name through the mud over the 
past couple months, what was the

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hardest part? 
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sort of like we were at these 
track mates and you obviously 

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weren't there. 
You didn't show your face to 

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attract me. 
This might have been like the 

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longest stretch you've gone 
without having been there. 

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And I was like, man, that really
sucks. 

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It's like someone who cares so 
much about it is just like 

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unable to even just be here 
because it's not even that you'd

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get pulled into questions from 
athletes or agents. 

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All the people behind the scenes
kind of knew that you didn't 

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really have any sort of answers 
to things, right? 

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So like, I guess, what was the 
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just really like being at track 
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And I felt like this summer, 
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intentional on is like not 
letting everything that happened

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impact or change the fact that I
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it. 
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years and yeah, obviously you're
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the reason why I went and tried 
to make this big leap is because

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I cared about the sport and I 
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help improve it. 
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this summer, that was something 
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don't let all this everything 
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love of the sport. 
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clear the my name in some way. 
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everything two days before the 
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about things. 
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I didn't know that the money 
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that happened, I feel that way 
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So yeah. 
And we're we're moving on. 

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We're moving on. 
We're talking track. 

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I think actually that was 
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last year as well was just when 
before everything fell apart was

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I just missed talking about 
track and missed writing. 

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I just wanted to give some 
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And in the position that I was 
in, there's never an opportunity

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for me to do that in the way 
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And so the ability to do that 
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Would you go back and do it all 
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of like, if the outcome wasn't 
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just an opportunity that you 
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I mean, look, I think if anyone 
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call them and say that they 
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changing the sport for the 
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have jumped on that opportunity.
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oh, I regret it. 
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that this is how things were 
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have done it. 
But yeah, I mean, look, as soon 

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as I found out everything, I 
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You know, great market out 
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It took a little while, but 
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It was actually funny. 
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them that I'd gotten a new job, 
I was waiting for the background

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check to clear. 
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I got fired. 
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Yeah. 
All right, well, we've got tons 

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of track and stuff to talk about
and I think we already spent 7 

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more minutes than I initially 
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Because basically, I guess from 
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expect is I guess you're not 
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as you were before. 
You've we're still kind of 

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letting you get your bearings at
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got going on. 
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to have you at some major events
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analyst and you know, basically 
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So Milrose Games this upcoming 
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Saturday from the Armory, post 
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And we're gonna have quite the 
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It's you, me, Eric, Aisha 
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in town. 
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up the the Milrose Games like a 
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but that was just kind of like 
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So all right, let's talk this 
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like to set up the New Balance 
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Last week we kind of talked on 
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race distances were, the 
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A 2K and a 3K. 
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starts on the track, the 
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down in Blacksburg, VA. 
And the first big result of the 

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weekend was Cole Hawker breaking
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just at a, you know, low key 
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trains. 
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I'm pulling it up right now in 
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He opened a season with a 
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American record and just kind of
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even in the pre race press 
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like it's going to take an 
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and now you have to run faster 
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Next week Hawker or this weekend
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in the 2 miles. 
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statement, but I guess what were
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from just Cole Hawker is fit 
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on Friday? 
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That was my piece in the lab 
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Yeah, I I think it's a great 
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I think it's super fun. 
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I'm not saying that they should 
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championship constantly. 
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once every decade we have a huge
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I think for Cole, it's exactly 
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expected is he had a, you know, 
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remember is that because the 
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and you know, the World 
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the season, that what we're 
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this year is on a much shorter 
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years. 
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already immediately coming out 
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like obviously a lot of people 
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Boston, but now it's just it's 
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Melrose games with a little bit 
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He's at the bar. 
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I'm not reading intuitive saying
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ran that time and therefore 
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Like by no means I know that 
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very similar to what we saw last
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I agree because in a way pacing 
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pacer there. 
I think there was some confusion

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over just sort of like, oh, did 
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but it did feel like more just 
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American record is a safe target
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You throw Cole into the race 
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sure he's either he either wins 
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close with with Hobbs and and 
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So this wasn't, I think, Cole 
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He's never really been someone 
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To have an all out time trial 
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know, the the competition at a 
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AUS indoor championship. 
It's sort of like, all right, 

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there's something that shows 
fitness and then he's just in it

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to race. 
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watch him have a great practice.
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this at, you know, a few hours 
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and the timers were all set up. 
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watch. 
Thanks, Cole. 

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Like, it was awesome. 
And now we're even more excited 

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to watch him square off against 
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weekend. 
OK, so that was sort of like the

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first sort of big performance of
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Then I guess from there, there 
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This is where we sort of need a 
red zone, right, for for track 

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to be able to keep track of 
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the same time. 
So Cooper Luckenhouse was, I 

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think, just the most notable 
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Sander. 
You had two people get, I think 

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it was like, who was the guy who
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It was. 
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Guy. 
That's your time and everything.

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Shot Is that how do you 
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It's Polish. 
I'm not gonna be able to do it 

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justice. 
This is where it's like shot. 

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It's it's French. 
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And the race, I mean, it had 10 
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Yeah. 
Low key at the very start of the

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New Balance Indoor Grand Prix 
window, and so I feel like this 

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was kind of overlooked. 
It was so he gets the spot for 

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the Milrose Games and then the 
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Wilma Nielsen gets it over. 
Caitlin Tui kind of flipped the 

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script on the result from the 
previous year, but I guess just 

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the biggest performance. 
I was watching this while 

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working out on the ARC trainer 
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Biggest thing to take away from 
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year improvement. 
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for the world indoor standard. 
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Indoor team for Team USA is 
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make. 
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of this being the high school 
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Like it just seems unfair if 

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you're, if you're a 
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counts for a high school record,
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like if you're in college, it 
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Blay record. 
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different rules. 
Is that just sort of where it 

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landed? 
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that whole controversy years ago
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setting her records, but she had
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signed with the Oregon Project. 
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doesn't recognize professional 
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It depends who you ask exactly 
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145 indoors, 142 outdoors. 

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I, I think the performance that 
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into, you know, a field with a 
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of a sudden it's not like, oh, 
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Like, you know, this high school
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It's like, no, he's a 142 guy 
getting paid by Nike. 

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He's one of the best athletes in

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the world. 
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looked so calm and composed, 
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I mean, he won by 2 1/2 seconds.
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think that him turning pro when 
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obviously for financial reasons,
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allowing him to transition into,
I guess the new environment that

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he's going to be in while still 
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You know, mom's still making 
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he's not on the other side of 
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country trying to figure out, 
you know, what day does the 

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garbage go out at the same time 
as, you know, adjusting to a new

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training system. 
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to help him. 
It's a, it's a great launching 

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off point. 
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such a good group of like 
support system behind him. 

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I feel really good about his 
long term development. 

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It wasn't just Cooper Luck in 
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Zealand. 
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16 year old phenom Sam Ruth ran 
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mile to Sam Turner. 
This might have been, I guess 

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like the New Zealand National 
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someone pointed out where it 
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That's part of the reason why 
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across the finish line. 
He was catching Flack on like 

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the TikTok and reel's comments 
about just sort of like, oh, I 

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wouldn't be celebrating if I 
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school or top. 
Sam Tanner deserves like role 

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model of the year awards like he
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partners. 
I I know he's taking Sam Ruth 

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under his wing and he's doing an
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doing incredibly well in his own
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like no ego about him. 
When it doesn't matter which Sam

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wins, they seem to embrace and 
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That was like that. 
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of that. 
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is a little bit more 8. 15 Yeah,
because he ran 145 the week 

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before. 
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He's running good three KS and 
you know, he's definitely 

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strong, but you know, Jakob 
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running 826 in the steeplechase 
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But yeah, I, I just, I really, I
wish that Sam Ruth was getting 

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on a plane and getting to, I 
guess the Miller Rose Games next

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weekend. 
That'd be fun to see how he 

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does. 
But he seems to have plenty of 

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competition in his own training 
group. 

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Yeah, the progression has been 
Jakob, then it was Cam Myers and

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now it's Sam Ruiz. 
Just knocking time off of this 

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U16 age group record. 
It's funny, like, I feel like 

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they grow up so quickly. 
Like, did you know Hobbes 

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Kessler is 32? 
Yeah, right. 

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I feel like it's just all of a 

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sudden, like Drew Hunter is 
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That's the that's the one that 
kind of in perspective of things

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like what it was 10 years ago 
that he signed his pro deal. 

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I think over 2000. 16 right was 
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So we just have to enjoy what 
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And like in three years time 
it's gonna be like, Oh yeah, the

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the 12 year old ran 347. 
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All right. 
So this is provided just sort of

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like the perfect transition 
between performances we had. 

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And so he was the one who let 
off just sort of like the 

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bangers at the New Balance 
Indoor Grand Prix because this 

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men's 3K, which was outside of 
the broadcast window, despite it

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being the World Athletics like 
indoor tour discipline, leads to

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a world leading time 727 
Australian national record meet 

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record. 
Cam Myers beats Andrew Koskren, 

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who last spring we saw, you 
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Koskren has and Grand Blancs is 
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And so it's funny because now 
I'm thinking of just sort of 

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like all these moving pieces of 
like they're all going to come 

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together next weekend at Melrose
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So Cam's now shown he's got the 
aerobic strength with just how 

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well he did at winning 
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championships. 
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his 3K performance so he's going
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mile at Melrose. 
You have Cole running that 2K 

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going up to the two mile and 
then you got we'll obviously get

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to the men's 2K at New Balance, 
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So the the Wanamaker is where 
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men's 2 miles where everyone's 
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And Cam Myers is he was third 
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It wouldn't shock me if he wins 
the whole thing given this 

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fitness. 
I mean, he, he's clearly very 

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fit. 
I, I guess I was a little bit 

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nervous about seeing him not 
race in Tallahassee and so 

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coming out and running 727, 
obviously a great sign. 

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I think he's starting to trend. 
He's kind of taking like that 

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Cole Hawker path where it's like
he wants to do the three K 5K is

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kind of the impression that I've
gotten historically. 

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You know, he's run some solid 8 
hundreds and he's shown some 

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solid foot speed, but he's, he's
doing very well as he goes up 

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and I guess having that type of 
foot speed in the longer 

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distances will pay off. 
I, I never sleep on Australians 

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coming over to race during the 
indoor season just because you 

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know, they're, they're used to 
being fit in January and 

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February. 
So I, I, I think the thing that 

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I want to see out of Cam this 
season is how does he win the 

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races against? 
This caliber of fields, I think 

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we've seen him do very well 
against and win races against 

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fields that you know, he's 
surprised or he's been the class

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of. 
And now is he a guy who's going 

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to be winding it up from 600 
meters out? 

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I mean, is that the path or is 
does he have that explosive last

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hundred that he should be 
waiting? 

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I don't have, I'm just 
interested to see. 

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I don't necessarily have advice 
one way or the other. 

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Yeah, so because the way the 
Wanamaker has panned out the 

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last three years, and each time 
that Yard has won it, it's just 

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like Yard finds a way to get up 
toward the front. 

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The first year when he was 
battling against Ollie was maybe

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the toughest competition that 
he's had. 

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It was Ollie and Mario Garcia 
Romo. 

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Then the last two years have 
just sort of been once it's just

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Yard glued to the Pacer, Pacer 
drops off and then Yard just 

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kind of holds it this time 
around. 

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What like how does Cam get in 
position to either deny yard the

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front or is Cam the guy who's 
going to sit on the pacer this 

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time? 
That's the question I think 

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heading into to Milrose. 
I haven't heard pacing 

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assignment for Milrose yet. 
I mean, I don't know if that's 

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the intent is to go after the 
world record. 

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I think if it's that quick, I 
don't see Cam getting on it. 

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I think he'll ride the train, 
but yeah, I would want to be as 

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close as possible and then if 
there's ever a sign of weakness,

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be able to make the move. 
I don't know. 

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I, I think he's in sub 347 
shape, which is his personal 

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best. 
How far below that I don't know.

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I also just don't we the the 
question mark coming into this 

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one is now yard like what's 
what's he up to? 

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Because the only cue that we 
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he wasn't in in top form, he was
the he was the next guy after 

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Josh Hoey. 
But that was kind of expected. 

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Josh Hoey's just crazy fit right
now and. 

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I'm not running into a December 
Rd. mile. 

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No, right. 
But it's sort of like at that 

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point that's the baseline and 
then from there like what what's

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been done? 
And I guess for Yard, he's had 

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all of January to train. 
So I wouldn't, I'm not like I I 

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just want, I would love to have 
had like a temperature check 

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beforehand, but OAC sometimes 
does just come out blazing at 

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Millrose. 
So I'm not, I'm just, I guess 

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I'm more confident in Cam and 
Hobbs based off of this past 

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weekend. 
But then, just history tells us 

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that Yard will be ready. 
I'm putting my coaching hat on 

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here. 
Something I I will say to 

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athletes sometimes is that 
fitness is like a balloon and 

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the first time you blow it up, 
it's really hard. 

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But if you let out the air and 
you blow it up again, it's a 

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little easier. 
And if you do that again and 

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again, it's easier and easier. 
Well, Jared's been in like 345 

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shape for years. 
That's true. 

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And he's done it so many times. 
So his baseline of fitness of if

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he's healthy is his body just 
knows what that feels like. 

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And so things don't even need to
have gone perfectly the last six

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weeks in order for him to get 
back there at this point. 

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That's just that's what he does.
All right, let's move on to the 

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women's 800, which was also 
outside the TV window. 

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Rochine Willis goes 159.59. 
I guess. 

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Is that the world lead? 
I guess it held. 

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Yeah, Megan Hunter also ran 159,
looking great in a very good 

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field. 
Probably a better field. 

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Yeah, then Rosheen. 
Rosheen ends up, she closes in 

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31. 
This was her pro debut, signed 

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with New Balance, still taking 
classes at Stanford, JJ Clark 

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overseeing her training for the 
time being. 

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But yeah, the US champ. 
Now I'm curious if she'll try 

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and go through a full indoor 
season and take this thing 

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through World indoors. 
I wasn't in the mix zone at New 

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Balance under Grand Prix. 
Preet was so at some point we'll

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catch up with him on some of the
insights shared there. 

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But good showing overall, I 
think by by Rocheen Willis PBS 

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for Isabel Boffey, who was 
second and Victoria boss song. 

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I think this one's a little 
under underrated. 

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She's a 400 meter specialist 
from out of Harvard who just 

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signed a New Balance as well. 
Too flat. 

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And I think from my 
understanding, she stayed out in

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Boston, so might as well make 
the transition fully to the to 

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the pro squad and start training
under under mark if if she 

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hasn't. 
But I think that she's still 

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training under Gibby in in 
Boston. 

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But yeah, that was a that was a 
strong women's 800. 

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And I don't believe Rasheen is 
racing next weekend at Melrose, 

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but would have loved to have had
her insidious mag women's 1K. 

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All right, now as we get into 
the actual broadcast window and 

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what took place in at the New 
Balance under Grand Prix, we had

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00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:37,520
the men's 600, which Kane 
Mcphillips won in 116 beat the 

447
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,440
likes of Donovan Brazier and 
Bryce Hopple. 

448
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,800
So among all of the discourse 
last week of as to like, why 

449
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:46,560
aren't these guys just jumping 
into the 800? 

450
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:47,760
Here's your answer. 
They were. 

451
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,880
Just like they know what fitness
they're in. 

452
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:52,720
They're not blind. 
When Pre was going off on this, 

453
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,840
I was kind of like Pre. 
I think like Donovan Brazier and

454
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,080
Bryce Hoppel know that they're 
not ready to one run 142 yet. 

455
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,040
And that's then the story. 
And instead we got a second 

456
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,920
great race, but. 
It was it was a good race. 

457
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:09,880
Kean Mcphillips definitely, I 
think under underrated, all 

458
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,880
things considered. 
I'm now I'm starting to think of

459
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,880
like, is he gonna be the guy 
who's gonna win the 800 this 

460
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,000
this weekend at Melrose? 
I mean what was he 4th at 

461
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,280
worlds? 
For the world and then just took

462
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:29,440
it to Brazier and Hopple here. 
Yeah, he's, I would say, you 

463
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:33,480
know, just because of the 
expectation of what Brazier has 

464
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,560
historically done in the 600. 
Him running 117 was a little 

465
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:37,640
surprising. 
Yeah. 

466
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,120
But based off of mixed own 
interviews, it just sounds like 

467
00:26:41,120 --> 00:26:43,480
he's healthy and he's probably 
running the most miles that he's

468
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,720
run in a long time, and he's 
probably just in like a nice 

469
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,480
block of training. 
He also just looked 

470
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:54,160
uncomfortable on the bends and 
having the bodies around him 

471
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,240
inside. 
Like I bet if he just time 

472
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,960
trialled it today he would run 2
seconds faster. 

473
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,120
So you know it's a rust Buster. 
And I think everyone here is 

474
00:27:04,120 --> 00:27:05,920
glad that Josh Hoey was not in 
the race. 

475
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:11,320
Yeah, and that was sort of after
this race I was like, OK, a good

476
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,960
performance by Kim Mcphillips, 
but in more in my head I'm 

477
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,800
thinking, OK, 116.37, that's 
now. 

478
00:27:17,120 --> 00:27:21,520
Now watch that time and see if 
it holds up later on in the 

479
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:23,520
meet. 
We'll come back to that in a 

480
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,440
bit. 
Then we had the women's 1500, 

481
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,320
which was a very, very good 
race. 

482
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,680
Dorcas Ewoi comes out with the 
win. 

483
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:35,240
The world silver medalist runs 
four O 1 world leading time. 

484
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,920
Sinclair Johnson, right on her 
heels, also gave it a really, 

485
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,520
really good fight in her debut 
for Hoka. 

486
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,680
It's starting to be track and 
field free agency season where 

487
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,920
people are switching uniforms 
and teams. 

488
00:27:50,120 --> 00:27:55,360
We saw Sinclair bid a do to Nike
after six years and now just 

489
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:58,640
made her debut. 
Mention that there is a pro 

490
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:03,720
group in the works for Hoka 
which is very exciting I guess 

491
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,320
for people who like may not be 
as like industry attune. 

492
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,080
This is this is a big deal 
behind the scenes. 

493
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,840
A big deal behind the scenes is 
that HOKA managed to snag Steve 

494
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:19,520
Decoker as like their head of 
global sports marketing. 

495
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,600
And what they're like, OK, what 
is it? 

496
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:25,640
What does that mean? 
Steve was the guy responsible 

497
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:30,720
for, I guess like the push for a
professional training group for 

498
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,000
the on for on. 
And thus the On Athletics Club 

499
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,280
was born in 2000 and in 2020 in 
2020. 

500
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:45,520
Now the can he strike twice with
just the brilliance? 

501
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,560
And you know, I think what OAC 
has built is a great blueprint 

502
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,800
for a training group somewhere 
else in America, which it sounds

503
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:59,600
like Portland will be the hub. 
Sinclair still going to be 

504
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:05,400
coached by her fiance Craig 
Nowak, who we saw over the 

505
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:09,000
weekend as well Mac and I had a 
nice chat with him because he 

506
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,000
served as like the de facto wear
tester for a lot of the Hoka 

507
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,840
product while. 
I like to think I was back a 

508
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,320
decade ago. 
I was wearing some some sort of 

509
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,560
prototypes and feel like I 
walked. 

510
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,760
So Sinclair can now fly. 
Yeah, exactly. 

511
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,520
Oh, wow, you've even worked in 
the the time to fly. 

512
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,600
Yeah. 
It's in my blood still. 

513
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,000
But then the big question is, 
OK, can you find the other 

514
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,840
pieces to build around Sinclair?
It's great that you now have 

515
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,120
like, this tent pole of a big 
star in her prime. 

516
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,320
Who else will will join the 
group is now. 

517
00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,120
And this also makes it more 
appealing for younger college 

518
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:49,160
stars to, you know, have another
option and destination. 

519
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,360
The key part is who's going to 
be the head coach of the team. 

520
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,520
Just the timing aligns so 
perfectly for on that. 

521
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,640
Dathan was, you know, moved 
fully into coaching and he's 

522
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,040
such a big name that it it feels
like you got to come out with 

523
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:11,160
just as big of a of a leader for
this new group. 

524
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,520
And that's hard, right? 
Like who's out there that isn't 

525
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:19,600
connected to a brand already or 
who is willing to leave a cushy 

526
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,960
college job? 
And that's the challenge that I 

527
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,440
think has been posed now to to 
to Steve Decoker to try and find

528
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,960
that. 
But when it just sort of like 

529
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,120
that's a nice little industry 
insight that we can share with 

530
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,560
the listeners who may not be as 
kind of attuned to that. 

531
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,720
Yeah. 
And also, I guess for some more 

532
00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:40,840
history, like Steve was at 
Brooks prior to that. 

533
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:47,880
And so in general, when you see 
a brand making that sort of 

534
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,200
financial commitment, not only 
to the architect of a potential 

535
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:54,960
team, but to signing an athlete,
and I kind of love that. 

536
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:59,080
Sinclair and some interviews 
just basically was like, yeah, I

537
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:00,160
tried the products. 
It was great. 

538
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:02,240
Also, they made me an offer I 
couldn't refuse. 

539
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,480
That's like what a fantastic 
situation because we saw it 

540
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,720
already previously with the 
Beast. 

541
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,400
We saw it with OAC and now 
hopefully we see with Hoko is 

542
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:18,240
when a brand commits, it raises 
the bar of like basically like 

543
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:24,040
the minimum wage is has just 
like doubled and it's like a 

544
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:28,680
great sign of the times. 
And now you have a company. 

545
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:32,600
Then we, you know, we obviously 
Hoke has been super committed to

546
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,160
the roads for a long time, but 
you know, they've they've dipped

547
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:37,600
their toes and middle distance 
running. 

548
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,760
But for an American, you know, 
Sinclair's probably the best 

549
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:44,520
signing that we've seen since 
Leo Manzano. 

550
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:49,400
And ultimately I think that 
signals to everyone else like we

551
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,640
have a new big dog who's going 
to be throwing some money around

552
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:54,040
and they're going to go out and 
get talent. 

553
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,440
And I think I just put myself in
like the shoes of, you know, 

554
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,160
Steve, who had a obviously a 
great role at on. 

555
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,160
He's not leaving that situation 
if he's not going to have the 

556
00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:07,400
support behind him to go out. 
So I, I would say you've seen it

557
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:12,240
with hookah in the nil space. 
I mean, you're setting up Colin 

558
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,360
Salman. 
Where's Colin Salman? 

559
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,440
Who's he going to be coached by 
in a couple of years is 

560
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:19,120
basically like what you have to 
think about the pipeline of 

561
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,160
their their high school and 
their college athletes is really

562
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,840
impressive. 
And I just, I, I wouldn't be 

563
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,200
shocked if the biggest of names 
ultimately became the coach of 

564
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,960
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It's kind of we, we, we totally 

601
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,080
glossed over Dorcas Ewoi who won
the, the actual race. 

602
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,960
But I mean, further testament 
that there is a, there is a 

603
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,679
brand and a group that has seen 
kind of the benefits of like 

604
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:52,159
having all that support with 
Puma, supporting Puma Elite. 

605
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:58,120
But Dorkas, what I'm very 
excited by is that she's going 

606
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,240
through an indoor season, which 
is like for Kenya. 

607
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,840
They don't I I don't know when 
the last time they've had a 1500

608
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:09,000
meter world indoor medalist to 
win gold because faith doesn't 

609
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:10,920
raise world indoors all that 
often. 

610
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,480
And so you've had the likes of 
like Gudolph Sagai and for 

611
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,320
winning Hilu, like those are the
names I think that kind of pop 

612
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:21,800
up as like, oh, all right, world
indoor 1500 champs. 

613
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,480
Maybe you're looking this up as 
as we go, but Dorcas now kind of

614
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:31,600
can slot in as like the World 
Indoor 1500 Big Dog, given the 

615
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:37,240
fact that she's the World 
Outdoor silver medalist and SO4 

616
00:35:37,240 --> 00:35:40,840
O1 totally in control of this 
race, you know, from 400 out and

617
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,680
just holding that front spot I 
thought was a very good result 

618
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,440
by her. 
Yeah, well, I mean, she's just 

619
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,640
had an unbelievable trajectory. 
I think she was fifth at NCAA's 

620
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:54,600
her senior year at Campbell and 
has just gotten better and 

621
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:59,080
better and better. 
And I mean, I think that she's 

622
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,160
kind of just gone under the 
radar like that entire Puma 

623
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,240
elite squad for a little bit too
long. 

624
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,280
And at this point, if the Krags 
are coaching you, we should be 

625
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:10,880
paying attention. 
Yeah, like even Gracie Morris 

626
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,320
was fifth with the PB of four O 
2, but was up there in the front

627
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,600
of the race for a good chunk of 
it. 

628
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:21,920
Yeah, so I Dorcas, you know, 
immediately proved not that 

629
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,120
anyone said that. 
No, I'm not accusing anyone of 

630
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,640
having said this, but it's 
clearly not a fluke that she was

631
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,280
a silver medalist last year. 
Like she's come out firing 

632
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:35,160
immediately. 
And yes, I mean, that world 

633
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,480
indoor Kenyan metal might be 
happening. 

634
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:42,480
Susan Jury was fifth last year. 
Yeah, so it's like Dorcas and 

635
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,760
Susan is a is a great Kenyan 
team for sure. 

636
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:52,680
All right, that was the women's 
1500 men's 400. 

637
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,760
Caleb McRae beat Quincy Wilson. 
Quincy looked a little tired, I 

638
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:02,760
would say, but he's also in like
this is already like his sixth 

639
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,880
race of the indoor season or 
something like that. 

640
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,600
He race like Virginia showcase. 
He's run a couple times at the 

641
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,200
at the Armory. 
I, I guess like, I don't know if

642
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,920
he's going to, I guess he's 
slated to run the 400 at the 

643
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,800
middle Rose Games, but at some 
point he'll taper off a bit. 

644
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,600
He, it's funny because even as 
an Olympic gold medalist, he 

645
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,160
does value New Balance indoor 
nationals a lot. 

646
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,080
And he's got another title to 
defend there. 

647
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:30,760
Well, I, I was actually with 
him. 

648
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:35,160
We recorded a podcast that will 
drop later this week with him 

649
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,960
and, and Parker Valby. 
But when we were sitting just 

650
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,760
like in this room before we 
started recording, he was just 

651
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:45,280
hyping up just like the, the 
underclassmen that Bullis has 

652
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,120
got. 
And he's like, oh, we're going 

653
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,320
to have this guy on this leg of 
the four by four. 

654
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,120
And I think we're going to be 
able to beat this. 

655
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,360
And it's so it's so funny that 
like he's still like, he's just 

656
00:37:56,360 --> 00:38:00,840
a kid and like still so deep 
into what's going on in his 

657
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,560
senior year, Although he did I I
said, how's your senioritis? 

658
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:07,120
He goes, man, I'm barely doing 
anything right now. 

659
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,280
So all right, that was the men's
400. 

660
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,440
I wish we had Quincy in that 
300. 

661
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:23,440
Then we had the women 60, Dina 
Asher Smith, seven O 8 men 60, 

662
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,880
Akeem Blake 6.53. 
Those were like not really 

663
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:32,360
anything all that special. 
Let's go to the men's 2K, right?

664
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:35,280
Let's just Fast forward to the 
really good stuff. 

665
00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:41,440
This one Grant versus Hobbs. 
So we didn't like the IT was 

666
00:38:41,720 --> 00:38:44,240
billed as Grant Fisher versus 
Jake Whiteman. 

667
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:48,560
Yeah, I think I made the joke 
about in the lap count saying 

668
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:54,680
like Hobbs was one run over 7 
miles away from like having that

669
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:59,480
last lap in a 3K last year. 
I don't know, like the 2K just 

670
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:01,560
seems like such a bread and 
butter distance from. 

671
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,920
He's also just so smooth on an 
indoor track. 

672
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:10,760
The way he navigates turns is 
just, it's like some people are 

673
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,320
born for the indoor track and 
Hobbs seems to be that way. 

674
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,840
Like he can obviously do it 
outdoors as well, but we've just

675
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,520
seen consistently some really 
special performances for him. 

676
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,560
It's funny though, like I, I, I 
think something I like about the

677
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,080
2K is like, what's a good time? 
Like no one knows. 

678
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,080
No one knows. 
This is just about racing. 

679
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:34,840
Yeah, we have no idea. 
And ultimately, it was all about

680
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:39,560
racing. 
But Davis Bove is the MVP of 

681
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:40,520
this race. 
Yeah. 

682
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,720
So for context, like he is a 
professional runner for Under 

683
00:39:43,720 --> 00:39:46,560
Armour. 
He came into the day with a mile

684
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:51,640
PB of 357. 
And then he's told probably 

685
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,600
before this race, it's like 
you're going to need to run 

686
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,360
faster than that to take these. 
Guys through the lights were 

687
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,200
off. 
Oh, I didn't catch that. 

688
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,160
Oh, the lights were off. 
I mean, they got confused on the

689
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,000
broadcast as well. 
But he went out in 55 five, 

690
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,400
which there's no way that was 
the plan. 

691
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:11,600
They eventually shut him off. 
And so he just like handled the 

692
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,960
situation so well. 
And it seemed like he was going 

693
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,160
to peel off at some point and 
then got back in and just ripped

694
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,320
another 59. 
And I mean, ultimately he set 

695
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,600
this whole thing up like he 
just. 

696
00:40:24,720 --> 00:40:28,920
He crushed it and I'd say Hobbs 
and Grand Omen beer after this 

697
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,480
one. 
He has a 357 mile PB but then he

698
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,120
hits the 1600 split here in in 
352. 

699
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:43,480
Yeah, it's like, yeah, get this 
guy on a Oval and BU and you 

700
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,720
might be seeing something 
special for him. 

701
00:40:45,720 --> 00:40:50,040
But yeah, I mean, I, I would say
everything about January is so 

702
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:52,640
funny because we just have no 
idea what shape anyone's in. 

703
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,160
I'm like watching Jake Whiteman 
YouTube videos trying to figure 

704
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,480
out if he's going to run 445 or,
you know, five O 5. 

705
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:05,000
And so he I would say initially 
I would have billed it as a 

706
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,040
grant versus Jake. 
And then as soon as the race 

707
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:13,120
started I saw how aggressively 
Hobbes was on the pace and Grant

708
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:17,160
I was like, alright, Hobbes is 
here to play and thank God he 

709
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,880
was there. 
I think it made it way more 

710
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:22,280
obviously because he won, but if
it was just grand out front it 

711
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:23,960
wouldn't have been nearly as 
exciting. 

712
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,800
The thing that threw me off 
about Hobbes is that, like, when

713
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,720
I saw him in December in Hawaii,
he had mentioned just sort of 

714
00:41:31,720 --> 00:41:35,320
that he was dealing with like an
ankle injury that he had a 

715
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,080
couple weeks before. 
Then he had to take some time 

716
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:38,720
off of it. 
And so I'm like, all right, 

717
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:42,680
like, he ran. 
He ran well in that December Rd.

718
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,760
mile, but then I guess like 
training has just gone so, so 

719
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,600
well over the last couple weeks 
that now he's he proved he was 

720
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:53,080
in world record form. 
So the most impressive part of 

721
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,720
this race, and you pointed out 
just sort of in our text group 

722
00:41:55,840 --> 00:42:01,120
immediately after, was just sort
of like the final 500 by Hobbes,

723
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:07,240
where I guess some people think 
of the squeeze as like a way to 

724
00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:10,280
win, but Hobbes was told to 
explode. 

725
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,840
So that was the instructions 
from his coach. 

726
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,240
But he also kept squeezing. 
Yeah. 

727
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:19,880
So what stood out to you about I
guess those final 500? 

728
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,320
I mean, it's just the fact that 
he got faster and faster and 

729
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,320
faster, and he made a decisive 
move and he kept getting faster.

730
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:31,480
So I mean, he went 
15-O14814613213-O, which is 

731
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:32,800
beautiful. 
Like, that's what you want. 

732
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,080
You want your last 100 to be the
fastest of the race. 

733
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,840
So Hobbes is fit. 
Hobbes is exactly right now. 

734
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,080
And so yeah, I thought that was 
that was real. 

735
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,920
And you know what took down 
Bikele? 

736
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:53,080
Which that's that's a nice name.
Yeah, now Kenenisa Bakele, who 

737
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,880
once held five different world 
records on the track, now owns 

738
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,520
0. 
But I guess like the commendable

739
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,400
part is how long it took for so 
many of those records to, to 

740
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:09,280
break. 
Let's see, I, I put it up on the

741
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,680
Sidious Meg Instagram graphic. 
There were some that were like 

742
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:15,200
20 years old. 
Basically, it's just sort of 

743
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,080
like you had a couple that would
have been in high school. 

744
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,520
The, the one that lasted the 
shortest is men's indoor two 

745
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,640
mile was only 7 years and five 
days until Mo Farah broke it. 

746
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,840
Men's 5K was 16 years, two 
months and 15 days. 

747
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,360
Joshua chapter guy broke that in
2020 and that still stands. 

748
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,680
Men's 10K15 years, one month and
11 days. 

749
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,200
Joshua Chpta guy broke that one 
a couple months later. 

750
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,040
And then the most recent ones 
were the men's indoor 5K last 

751
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,080
year, 20 years, 11 months and 25
days by Grant Fisher until Grant

752
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:52,120
Fisher broke it at BU. 
Men's 2K was the was the last 

753
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:55,360
118 years, 11 months and seven 
days until Hobbes broke it. 

754
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,400
The one thing that you that kind
of stands out is just sort of 

755
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:03,880
like all the guys who broke it 
needed super shoes or BU. 

756
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:10,120
And collectively, I think the 
only, yeah, the only one with 

757
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:12,800
gold medals is is Joshua chapter
guy. 

758
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,600
And I guess Hobbs has the world 
road running gold medal. 

759
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:21,040
But yeah, reminder records are 
not forever, but gold medals 

760
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,000
are. 
Yeah, I, I just imagined the 

761
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,120
text message of Bakayla getting 
like, yo, you just lost another 

762
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,720
world record and he's just like,
wiping away the tears with all 

763
00:44:28,720 --> 00:44:31,120
his medals. 
And The funny thing is he's not 

764
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,920
I to my knowledge, I don't think
he's ever he's, he's hasn't 

765
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,960
announced that he's retired or 
anything like that. 

766
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:39,320
So we saw him at World Cross. 
He was there as kind of like an 

767
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:45,040
ambassador and a many time 
champion of that event. 11/11 

768
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:49,120
time champion this is. 
It's such a funny you wouldn't 

769
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:53,080
even have We don't have enough 
World cross country championship

770
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,240
for anyone calendar to because 
it's like, oh, every four years 

771
00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:59,480
is what we're moving into or 
every three years. 

772
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:06,200
So 11 is pretty funny. 
The the thing that I have to 

773
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,680
always take a step back and 
remember is just how much more 

774
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,760
serious Americans take indoors 
versus the rest of the world. 

775
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,480
Like, we just love it and we 
grow up doing it. 

776
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,840
And we have indoor tracks, you 
know, in every major city. 

777
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:27,440
And some of them have 5:00. 
And like, you know, 30 years 

778
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,000
ago, he's kind of the Africans 
hop on the track once or twice 

779
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:35,040
and run, you know, these records
that we hold in high regard. 

780
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,560
And for them, it was just some 
offseason, you know, get ready 

781
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,800
for the the main event sort of 
thing. 

782
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,440
And. 
Yeah, it's true, 'cause I mean, 

783
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:45,960
when we'll get to Hoey, it's 
just sort of like, who are the 

784
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,520
guys who've ran ahead of him and
faster than him last year? 

785
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,000
And it's like when Yoni, I don't
think he's ever run indoors. 

786
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:57,080
Marco Arope is just deep into 
training right now. 

787
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,720
He's he's maybe the only guy 
ahead of him who probably would 

788
00:46:01,720 --> 00:46:04,960
run indoors. 
So, yeah. 

789
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:09,600
All right, so also to stay on 
this 2K, Grant Fisher finishing 

790
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:14,200
in second and 449. 
Now, the other newsworthy bit 

791
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,920
about Grant from the last couple
days is that they officially 

792
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,600
announced that he will be making
his half marathon debut at the 

793
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,200
NYC Half in March. 
So the roads are calling and 

794
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,560
Grant is answering. 
And you know, when we did the 

795
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:34,440
podcast with him in November, I 
kind of had asked him about, OK,

796
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:38,440
so what's the purpose of this 
race and how does it set things 

797
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,640
up for the future? 
Basically, it's to see if you 

798
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:46,160
know, if he's good at the half, 
then maybe he entertains the 

799
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:51,120
idea of the full a bit more in 
the lead up to LA because in LA 

800
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,920
the 10K marathon, the Galen Rep 
double is possible. 

801
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:01,320
He probably in his heart would 
still love to do 5K10K, but the 

802
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,080
tide turned so quick in that 
event. 

803
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:09,520
Like if we even assess like Nico
and Graham super young and like 

804
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:12,000
they've occupied the other two 
spots on like the global 

805
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,280
championships team in the 10K 
the last two years. 

806
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:22,160
But you know, is Parker Wolf 
coming for one of those spots 

807
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:26,760
potentially and if it Grant went
from double Olympic bronze 

808
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:31,760
medalist to missing the podium 
entirely in both of those 

809
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,960
events, the event has gotten 
tougher and deeper. 

810
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:41,560
So I think it's just you do what
Connor Mance has kind of done 

811
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,240
and is test is, you know, take 
to the roads while you are in 

812
00:47:45,240 --> 00:47:46,840
great shape. 
And I think that that's kind of 

813
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:49,000
his purpose. 
He's he's repeated the same 

814
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,880
line, I think in the interviews 
that have followed over the 

815
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,200
last, you know, over the last 
week that he said to me back in 

816
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,480
November that he doesn't want to
wait until he's washed up and 

817
00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:01,200
his track days are over to make 
the transition to to the 

818
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:04,720
marathon. 
And so I'm encouraged by that. 

819
00:48:04,720 --> 00:48:08,040
And I ultimately do think that, 
you know, even though I when we 

820
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:11,560
did our way too early marathon 
picks, I don't remember if any 

821
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,200
of us picked Grant to make that 
team. 

822
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,920
But the sooner he gets there, 
the more confidence I probably 

823
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,640
have in in picking him for that 
team because I do think he'd be,

824
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,560
you watch his mechanics and the 
way he runs, it's like we're 

825
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:25,440
like, that guy is going to be a 
good marathoner. 

826
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:28,920
Yeah, the low arm carriage. 
It's funny though, like he is 

827
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:33,960
getting faster on the track, 
like 1500 in mile PVS last year,

828
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:40,680
now A4492K. 
You know, he's clearly got juice

829
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,960
left to squeeze on the track, 
but I think doing what is it in 

830
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:44,920
March? 
March. 

831
00:48:45,720 --> 00:48:49,680
Like, yeah, I don't think that's
going to impact anything in any 

832
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,480
negative way. 
It'd probably just force him to 

833
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,640
keep the mileage up through the 
indoor season he's going. 

834
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:58,600
To bring us to an awkward point 
where once if he runs 58, we're 

835
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:00,960
going to be in that weird spot. 
I was like, well, it's the 

836
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,640
fastest half marathon ever run 
by an American, but not a 

837
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,440
record. 
So we've got finally got some 

838
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:12,000
clarity from Connor with 
breaking, you know, both Ryan 

839
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,680
Hall's time and the American 
record just outright in the 

840
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,680
marathon. 
And now the half marathon's 

841
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,840
already there with Connor 
running 2 seconds faster at 

842
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:24,080
United NYC Half, you know, than 
he did in Houston. 

843
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,960
But Grant's only going to 
complicate that even more. 

844
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:32,080
Yeah, I so New York obviously 
not record eligible, but it's 

845
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,640
not a fast course. 
No, it's actually it's hard 

846
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,840
really. 
They changed it what, a couple 

847
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:39,160
years ago? 
And yeah, which led to some 

848
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,440
confusion over just when last 
year, I think Ebel Kipchumba won

849
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,600
it and like a little faster than
maybe a couple seconds ahead of 

850
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,080
Conor Mance, they called it an 
event record. 

851
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,200
And I was like, that's a weird 
phrasing. 

852
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:55,480
And it's because the course has 
changed from it used to finish 

853
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,320
on Wall Street, now it finishes 
in Central Park. 

854
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,400
And then last year, you had to 
make an alteration because of 

855
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,720
the Brooklyn Bridge. 
And so it was like, OK, yeah, 

856
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:07,120
back in 2007, Heidi, Geber 
Selassie ran this fast. 

857
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,000
And now, after all these 
changes, Kitrumba ran faster. 

858
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:15,440
And yeah, and so it's not. 
But the course that I think 

859
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:18,920
Geber Selassie ran was easier 
than the one Kepchumba ran on. 

860
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,480
So all these different things, 
it's not an easy 1. 

861
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:26,800
And so if Grant can throw down a
58 high on that course. 

862
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,480
This is that was going to be my 
question is what do you set the 

863
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,960
over under on? 
And before you do, I'm just 

864
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:36,760
going to throw out Jacob 
Kiplimo, who is one spot behind 

865
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:43,680
Grant on the all time 10K list, 
debuted at 5837 and then two 

866
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,680
months later ran 5737 and now 
obviously has the world record 

867
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:53,000
and he's slower at 10K. 
In theory that you know, but by 

868
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,800
time he's slower than. 
I might be generous. 

869
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:03,920
I might just set the over under 
for grant at 5855 over under for

870
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,120
NYC half. 
I'm gonna go over under as in I 

871
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,480
think he wins or not like that 
would be. 

872
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:14,280
Yeah, because it's just a who 
know March in New York. 

873
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,320
It was worth. 
I'm looking out the window and 

874
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,120
there's 2 feet of snow. 
Yeah, and the other thing. 

875
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,680
Too is that his his biggest 
competition is usually getting 

876
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:25,880
ready for Boston at this race. 
It's always a tune up race for 

877
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,760
people. 
And so when they've had Kiplimo 

878
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,560
around this race in the past or 
Chip the guy, yeah, I mean, 

879
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,320
like, they're not out there 
blasting like they're they're 

880
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,600
very, very best. 
But for Grant, like he might be 

881
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,760
the one in the field who's like,
I'm going to make the most of 

882
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,280
this opportunity. 
So it's not necessarily OK. 

883
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,400
So when people are going to be 
harping on just sort of like, 

884
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:46,880
oh, Grant should go to the 
marathon, go to the marathon. 

885
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:49,480
I don't think it should be this 
aggressive push because like, 

886
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,840
he's still really good on the 
track and he's getting faster. 

887
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,800
I think it's more coming from a 
place of like, let's take 

888
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,920
advantage of this level of 
fitness that you've got right 

889
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:06,760
now and get a mark on the board 
for the marathon versus waiting.

890
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:09,920
And it's just sort of like the 
opportunity is so good right 

891
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,880
now. 
It's also taking advantage of 

892
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,120
the off year and I hate the term
off year. 

893
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:23,080
I've just thrown that out non 
Olympic or world championship 

894
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,480
year. 
But it's it's kind of an 

895
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:27,880
appropriate time to try 
something. 

896
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:31,000
Yeah. 
All right, let's move on over to

897
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:36,560
the women's 3K, where Ellie 
Saint Pierre won just eight 

898
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:42,080
months after having her second 
baby, 826.54 over Linden Hall 

899
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:47,480
and just a very, very strong 
last final lap surge, world 

900
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:51,040
leading time. 
The plan for Ellie is to go 

901
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,560
through all the way through 
world indoors, and she won that 

902
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,600
event in 2024. 
And with a performance like 

903
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,080
this, wouldn't shock me if she 
does it again. 

904
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:08,440
But to come back now twice and 
have this incredible of a form, 

905
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:11,560
I mean, it's just I, I can't 
say. 

906
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:12,960
I don't know how remarkable it 
is. 

907
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:15,960
Yeah, I. 
It's, it's funny, though, 

908
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,640
because it's not unexpected 
because she had done it before. 

909
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,160
Yeah, yeah, yeah. 
Like, we knew that she was 

910
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:25,280
capable of it. 
So normally any woman in this 

911
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,000
position would be like, just get
out there, get one on the board,

912
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,960
get your feet wet. 
But I was just like, I don't 

913
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,480
know, she could just win again. 
And then as the race unfolded, 

914
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,320
it was like, Jesus, how is she 
doing this? 

915
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,480
And, you know, Jess Hall was 
pushing the pace in the middle. 

916
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,720
I mean, they were clicking off 
some 30 threes. 

917
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,120
And it seemed like Linden Hall 
was the one who was kind of 

918
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:47,760
holding on. 
And then at some point, things 

919
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:53,080
flipped quickly there. 
But Ellie never showed any sign 

920
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:56,240
of weakness. 
No, the camp, I guess it was a 

921
00:53:56,240 --> 00:54:01,800
brief one month at altitude out 
in Flagstaff that benefited her.

922
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:05,280
They're not going back up until 
later on in the spring. 

923
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,320
Now. 
She'll dip down from here to the

924
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:11,480
mile and you have to kind of 
think she's the favorite going 

925
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,720
into this. 
She's won it three times I think

926
00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:17,480
in the past now. 
It, it's really just so 

927
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,400
impressive. 
I don't know, like how else to 

928
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:26,040
articulate it besides it's just,
I mean, it's inspiring. 

929
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:30,120
It's crazy. 
It like how does how do we not 

930
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,000
all have time in our day if 
she's able to pull this off 

931
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:36,440
right now? 
So yeah, it end up being a 

932
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,280
fantastic race. 
And you know, obviously Linda 

933
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:44,680
and Jess coming off of their 
four by 2K World Championship 

934
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,160
are we knew they were in great 
shape so. 

935
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,480
Yeah, Jess just tied up a bit. 
Yeah. 

936
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:53,400
And it happens and it happens. 
And I think like she always 

937
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,840
needs just sort of like the one 
off race before, like getting 

938
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,080
things right and then the next 
one's an absolute banger. 

939
00:54:59,080 --> 00:54:59,840
We just. 
Well, she was. 

940
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:05,360
Yeah, I mean, I something that I
admire about Jess is that she's 

941
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:10,080
proven that she's unafraid to 
try different things in races. 

942
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:14,240
She, she has no set, I guess, 
style. 

943
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:16,720
Like it's not, yeah, she's 
always gonna hang in the 

944
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:18,280
second-half of the field and 
move her way through. 

945
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:20,200
She's always just gonna sit on 
the rabbit. 

946
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,080
It's like, no, she's dynamic. 
She'll try everything. 

947
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:26,680
And if it doesn't work, she 
often humps back a week later 

948
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:32,120
and finds that balance. 
So it was Saint Pierre for the 

949
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:36,880
win 826, Linden Hall 827 PB, 
Jess Hall 836 and then Emily 

950
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:40,320
Mackay was fourth in 838, which 
is a very strong run all things 

951
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,280
considered. 
She was in no woman's land the 

952
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:47,120
whole time, just running solo in
between the lead pack and then 

953
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:49,360
this chase pack that had formed 
behind her. 

954
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:58,160
So yeah, women's 3K squad for 
USAS could also be a strong one.

955
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:03,600
Not everyone has opened up yet. 
So that was the women's 3K. 

956
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,680
Then we go over to the men's 
800, which led to Josh Hoey 

957
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:13,920
doing Josh Hoey things. 142.5 
Brakes Wilson Kipketter's world 

958
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,960
record from 2007. 
Can I give context to that 

959
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,120
record really quick he. 
Didn't have a pacer, but yeah, 

960
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,160
go ahead. 
He didn't have a pacer. 

961
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,480
It was at the World 
Championships and when they had 

962
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,480
three rounds in the World 
Championships and he had broken 

963
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,440
the world record in the first 
round and then he won the race 

964
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:39,680
by three seconds. 
So I, I mean, one of the all 

965
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,560
time records that, you know, I, 
I put out like the pedestal of 

966
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:47,920
like the Daniel Komen 3K record 
that when Jacob took that down, 

967
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,880
it was like, Oh my God, like I 
never thought anyone would ever 

968
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,120
run that fast. 
And I just never thought we 

969
00:56:54,120 --> 00:57:00,600
would see 142 indoors again. 
In the way it was run, Hoey had 

970
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:07,240
his brother pace him for 500 
meters of this one, which on the

971
00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:12,160
onset I was a little worried 
about given that we saw just 

972
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,600
kind of how not great of a pace 
job it was. 

973
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:17,960
Was it a different brother this 
time or was it the same brother?

974
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,400
Same brother, same brother? 
OK, well, the one who did the 

975
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:25,280
December 600 was not the best. 
And so then I was like, all 

976
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,160
right, how's this one going to 
go? 

977
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:34,920
But he was, credit to him, dead 
on 24.6 for 1st, 250.0 for the 

978
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:39,960
400, and then kind of coasted 
for another 100 meters before 

979
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,640
letting his brother take over. 
And then this is just sort of 

980
00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:47,440
where Hoey kind of separated 
himself from Kip. 

981
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:52,240
Ketter was just sort of like the
heart of that that race from 

982
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,320
400. 
The 400 split for Kipketter was 

983
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:59,280
50.22, Hoey was 50.21. 
So they were almost dead on. 

984
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:04,160
But from 400 to 600, Hoey threw 
down to 25.99, where Kipketter 

985
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:09,880
ran 26.27. 
So from 400 to 600, Hoey picked 

986
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:14,440
it up. 
And I mean, yeah, he has just 

987
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:18,880
been on such a tear. 
It's like, but he clearly didn't

988
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:24,400
take a break at any point. 
And that's kind of, yeah, I, I 

989
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:29,720
just don't know how you go so 
hard for so long because this 

990
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:32,640
has, this has been just sort of 
one big block that you can kind 

991
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,400
of date back to 2024 at this 
point. 

992
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:39,480
There is an element of it in 
again, I don't like using the 

993
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,640
term off year, but this year 
where it's kind of like, you 

994
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:44,280
know what, when you're hot, 
you're hot, just lean in like 

995
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:48,760
what? 
What do we if let's say he peaks

996
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,800
in a month, whatever takes time 
off and then just come back out 

997
00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:54,560
later in the season like it's 
just. 

998
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:58,440
This is a low risk year for to 
be doing what he's doing. 

999
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:00,960
If it was, if there was a world 
champ like a true world 

1000
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,280
championship or an Olympics on 
the line, yeah, I think that the

1001
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,560
critics would be, I think a 
little bit more like you're 

1002
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:09,600
you're you're doing this wrong. 
But. 

1003
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,400
There's no, it's too early this 
year. 

1004
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,600
No, that doesn't. 
It's just like, no, whatever you

1005
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,880
want. 
Yeah, just we'll just RIP it and

1006
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,160
feel good. 
Now the thing that I need to see

1007
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:21,160
is I need it. 
I need him to go after the 1K 

1008
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:24,760
again. 
I did see that the meat director

1009
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:31,840
for Ostrava, Alphonse Juck, I 
believe it is quote tweeted when

1010
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,960
I posted this result and he said
like we're going to have Josh 

1011
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,480
Hoey in the 1K, but that's 
outdoors I'm pretty sure. 

1012
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:40,760
No, I want, I want the indoor, I
want him to have the 600801K 

1013
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,760
world record all simultaneously.
When? 

1014
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:48,960
So he's in the Mile next week, 
this weekend at Melrose Games. 

1015
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:53,400
Yeah. 
Have we just kind of brushed off

1016
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:57,840
and he finished 2025 as the 
fastest American in the 1500? 

1017
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:03,200
That's crazy. 
And the 800, But like, are we 

1018
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:07,960
downplaying how good he'll be 
this upcoming weekend in the 

1019
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:11,240
Mile? 
And like, he might be thinking 

1020
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,440
the world record when we kind of
said before, it's like, oh, 

1021
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,480
like. 
I don't know if they'll go for 

1022
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,720
the world record. 
He's only going for world 

1023
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:24,840
records now. 
Yeah, I'm like hesitant to say 

1024
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:28,280
he's a favorite. 
He's a Co favorite. 

1025
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,560
Is that fair to say? 
Like no one else can run 

1026
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:36,120
anywhere close to 142 right now.
He is by far and away the best 

1027
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:40,160
800m runner in this field. 
I yeah. 

1028
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,560
And then my thinking then goes 
is just sort of because we 

1029
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:48,520
always kind of tie it back to 
the guy on the Iron Throne in 

1030
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,800
Norway, Yaakov. 
It's like, what is Yaakov 

1031
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:52,520
thinking when he sees these 
performances? 

1032
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:57,760
And it's like my based on what 
happens this weekend at Melrose,

1033
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,920
I'm starting to think is like 
have yes, Cole is the Olympic 

1034
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:05,120
champion and was robbed of a 
chance of becoming world 

1035
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,680
champion last summer. 
What is one of our bigger 

1036
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:14,760
threats to the 1500 gold? 
Also Josh Hoey Now, like should 

1037
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:16,840
we start thinking and taking 
that I think a bit more 

1038
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:20,080
seriously, We were enamored by 
just sort of how good he is in 

1039
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,040
the 8. 
But like this weekend will show 

1040
01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:25,880
us, I think just sort of how 
good he'll be in the 15. 

1041
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,520
I'm just eating popcorn. 
Like it's really fun to watch. 

1042
01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:37,200
Yeah. 
And something I like about the 

1043
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:42,400
2026 season is that there, you 
know, it's the same vein of 

1044
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,720
saying like, it's too early. 
It's also like this one doesn't 

1045
01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:45,920
matter. 
It's like not everything 

1046
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:46,560
matters. 
Now. 

1047
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,560
If nothing matters, everything 
matters. 

1048
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,680
And at any given time, we could 
just be seeing really exciting 

1049
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:57,160
races and we don't have to hold 
it in context to the Olympics at

1050
01:01:57,160 --> 01:02:02,200
the end of the season. 
So I just every single time Josh

1051
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,840
Howey lines up, there's 
appointment television for me 

1052
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:09,040
just because you don't know 
what's going to happen and it's 

1053
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,400
it's not about, you know, what's
happening later in the season. 

1054
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:17,520
He's living in the moment. 
He's he's embracing today for 

1055
01:02:17,520 --> 01:02:20,400
what it is. 
And so, I mean, if you told me 

1056
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,600
he wins Melrose in like 343 
right now, I'd be like, yeah, 

1057
01:02:23,600 --> 01:02:27,200
no, that makes sense. 
That would be like crazy. 

1058
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:30,360
But like, what would he have to 
do to surprise you? 

1059
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:36,720
No, I know, right? 
Like at this point, his are are 

1060
01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:39,000
all of his. 
No, no, no, his, his his. 

1061
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,600
There were some cases last year 
where his indoor PBS were faster

1062
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:47,200
than his outdoor ones, but he's 
just like, and like I just, I'm 

1063
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:52,760
at a loss for words as to how 
else can you describe the tear 

1064
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:56,160
that he's on and I did when? 
Was the last time you felt this 

1065
01:02:56,160 --> 01:03:00,120
way about an athlete other than 
Josh Howey, where you're just 

1066
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:06,440
like, I can't believe it. 
Man, that's a good question 

1067
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:12,280
because it's like with someone 
like Jacob and when he was after

1068
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:15,480
somebody that you expected and 
he's so vocal about it. 

1069
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:20,760
The thing with Josh is that 
he'll subtly just kind of 

1070
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:23,120
mention that like he'll be after
a world record, but then that's 

1071
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,160
kind of it. 
Like it just he's not as brash 

1072
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:29,240
or in your face about it and 
he's just letting the fitness 

1073
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:33,360
speak for itself to the point 
where I do feel like there are 

1074
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:37,560
competitors out there who don't 
want to race him because they're

1075
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:41,960
just not at that level of 
fitness and it doesn't expose 

1076
01:03:41,960 --> 01:03:43,320
them. 
But it just doesn't look great, 

1077
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:48,800
right? 
Like if the if Brazier and 

1078
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:52,200
Hopple were in that race, 
they're they look very distant 

1079
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:54,520
at the. 
I mean he ran faster through 

1080
01:03:54,560 --> 01:04:01,240
600. 
He did the 600 exactly so I'm it

1081
01:04:01,240 --> 01:04:05,400
just adds to more intrigue for 
the wannabaker who who gets to 

1082
01:04:05,680 --> 01:04:08,720
dictate the pace at this point 
Like right, like if in your. 

1083
01:04:08,720 --> 01:04:11,960
Tech you rest for the fastest. 
You think it always will cave to

1084
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,240
like not the three time champ 
like yard. 

1085
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,680
What do you want? 
Or Hobbs, you just set a world 

1086
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:17,440
record. 
What do you want? 

1087
01:04:18,240 --> 01:04:23,080
I mean, now you've got Hoey in 
the room being like, I want 150 

1088
01:04:23,080 --> 01:04:25,200
take. 
Me out in 147 and see what 

1089
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:28,480
happens. 
I mean I'm sure. 

1090
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:32,760
I mean, the meat director is 
representing Yared, so they'll 

1091
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:35,240
probably be a conversation 
there. 

1092
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,720
But also, if Josh came in and 
said, hey, I'll get on a rabbit,

1093
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:39,400
that will go out even faster. 
You can. 

1094
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,240
If you're going to ask for a 
pace, you just got to get on it.

1095
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:43,800
Yeah, that's it. 
That's the rule. 

1096
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:45,960
And he's always kind of done 
that. 

1097
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,760
Yeah. 
So he can't put it past him, but

1098
01:04:50,600 --> 01:04:52,880
all right, well, more intrigue 
for for this weekend. 

1099
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:57,680
We will do a full Mill Rose 
preview show live from the 

1100
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,800
Armory on Saturday. 
So that might be part of the 

1101
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,960
reason why, like we're not going
to get as into the weeds on on 

1102
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:07,560
those races. 
We've got a couple more results 

1103
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:09,600
and some news to unpack from 
this weekend. 

1104
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:11,960
Then Kyle's got to get to his 
full time job. 

1105
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:16,920
Men's 300. 
What I loved about this one is 

1106
01:05:17,080 --> 01:05:19,880
all the shit talk leading into 
this one was centered around 

1107
01:05:19,880 --> 01:05:26,360
Noah and Vernon Jerem sitting 
back silent and Noah comes out, 

1108
01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:32,760
has this WWE sort of entrance. 
He's been at multiple WWE events

1109
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:36,560
in in the last couple months 
during the offseason, getting 

1110
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:40,080
some good exposure there. 
And just the way his brain 

1111
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:45,080
thinks, always trying to bring 
that sort of energy to track it 

1112
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:48,240
on on TVI don't know if it 
translates as well as maybe the 

1113
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:50,560
in person experience. 
Sometimes you can watch it and 

1114
01:05:50,560 --> 01:05:54,120
be like that looked a little 
cheesy, but if you're in the 

1115
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,160
stadium, I'm I'm sure the fans 
were like, oh, that's awesome. 

1116
01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:00,160
It's cool to see an athlete get 
up close, throw some things to 

1117
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,880
this into the stands. 
But when you do that, you got to

1118
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,040
back it up. 
And no one gave it a really good

1119
01:06:06,040 --> 01:06:08,240
fight, But Jerem got him right 
at the finish line. 

1120
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,160
And this is it's not a shock 
result. 

1121
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:14,640
Jerem is one of the best 400 
meter runners in the world. 

1122
01:06:15,040 --> 01:06:19,160
Dream was the favorite. 
I kept checking Calci and Draft 

1123
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,480
Kings to see if there was anyone
taking bets on this. 

1124
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:29,160
Dream is the silver medalist at 
in the 400 and he's a world 

1125
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:33,520
indoor champion over 400 meters 
and he's run 19 eight multiple 

1126
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,720
times over 200. 
Like he the dude should be 

1127
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:40,880
extremely good at the 300 
indoors and I would wager if he 

1128
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:44,440
went to like Clemson or Arkansas
by the end of the season, he 

1129
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:45,600
could take down that world 
record. 

1130
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:53,160
Like Dream is a very, very 
strong long sprinter and that's 

1131
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:56,920
why I kind of like I kudos to 
Noah for putting himself out 

1132
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:57,960
there. 
So. 

1133
01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:00,680
Knowing that he might not win 
this thing, this was not a sure 

1134
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:02,600
bet. 
It's his training partner. 

1135
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,040
Yeah. 
Like he knows what he's up 

1136
01:07:04,040 --> 01:07:07,120
against. 
And I mean, I thought Noah and 

1137
01:07:07,120 --> 01:07:09,960
his first 300 didn't look 
particularly great. 

1138
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:12,800
I thought he looked way better 
this weekend. 

1139
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:15,640
Yeah, than that the the weekend 
prior. 

1140
01:07:15,640 --> 01:07:21,520
So, yeah, I mean, it was fun 
the, you know, Vernon was coming

1141
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:24,920
in, but just, you know, extra 
100. 

1142
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,680
That was Vernon's. 
Yeah, yeah, Team, Team Vernon. 

1143
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,800
And then Trayvon Burmell could 
not have hoped for this race to 

1144
01:07:31,840 --> 01:07:36,240
end any sooner. 
He he posted immediately after 

1145
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:38,640
the race. 
He goes back to the 60 I go. 

1146
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:43,480
Yeah, the one of the best 
starters of all time stepping up

1147
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,040
in distance. 
No, three Rangers fun. 

1148
01:07:45,040 --> 01:07:48,120
I mean, I I said it, I'll say it
again. 

1149
01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:50,360
Again, like that's the most fun 
thing about the indoor season is

1150
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,840
kind of doing these off 
distances, seeing matchups you 

1151
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:57,960
wouldn't normally see and kind 
of, you know, not getting too 

1152
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,800
overly consumed with time just 
watching some good racing. 

1153
01:08:01,120 --> 01:08:04,480
Noah said afterwards the plan 
for him is to run the 60 at the 

1154
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:09,640
US Indoor Championships later in
February in Staten Island. 

1155
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:12,120
However, he's not planning to 
compete at the World Indoor 

1156
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:16,160
Championships in Poland because 
it is close to his wedding date.

1157
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:18,560
So did. 
You get. 

1158
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,760
Did you get invited? 
No. 

1159
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,800
So then I was thinking about 
that 'cause I I just assumed on 

1160
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:25,840
now that I didn't, I didn't 
assume I was. 

1161
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:27,920
You assumed you were getting 
invited to Noel Lyle's. 

1162
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:32,319
Wedding, no, but on when, when I
was putting out that tweet, I 

1163
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:35,279
was like, when is his wedding? 
If it's in proximity to to world

1164
01:08:35,279 --> 01:08:37,399
indoors? 
And then I found a post that 

1165
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:40,080
said like 6 months to go or 
whatever it was. 

1166
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,720
And so then I just said I 
counted 6 months and I was like 

1167
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:44,240
April. 
But I'm like, if the world 

1168
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:48,399
indoor championships are in 
March, then I think it'd be fine

1169
01:08:48,399 --> 01:08:51,479
to go. 
I was in Paris a month before my

1170
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:55,040
wedding. 
And so then I was just like, you

1171
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:56,760
know, this would have been so 
much easier if I just had, I 

1172
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:58,920
could go to my fridge and look 
at the save the date or the 

1173
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,279
wedding invite, but I did not 
have either one of those. 

1174
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,240
That's going to be an elite. 
Wedding. 

1175
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:09,439
Yeah, like the four by fours you
could assemble for by each 

1176
01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:13,600
table. 
Oh, man, I honestly, we need to 

1177
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:15,319
make sure that there's some 
physios there. 

1178
01:09:15,319 --> 01:09:19,160
Hopefully like Josh Glass gets 
an invite we need, we need the 

1179
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,880
tables out before and after the 
dance floor. 

1180
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:23,439
Our best of our best are going 
to be there. 

1181
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,000
And I don't want anyone coming 
away with any injuries. 

1182
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:30,800
But yeah, hopefully that's, you 
know, streaming somewhere. 

1183
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:34,760
Is that a good time for a 
professional athlete wedding? 

1184
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:36,600
April. 
Usually people wait till 

1185
01:09:36,600 --> 01:09:39,080
September but now since the 
calendar goes so late. 

1186
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:43,880
Distance runners love September,
October because distance runners

1187
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,399
don't really take a hard break, 
but sprinters do generally take 

1188
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:49,960
a more substantial break between
indoor and outdoor. 

1189
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:53,560
I mean, it depends on what 
program you're in, but it's not 

1190
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:58,200
uncommon for a sprinter to take 
a couple weeks in the middle of 

1191
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,840
the season. 
All right, so 2 news stories I 

1192
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:02,040
wanted to kind of discuss with 
you. 

1193
01:10:03,360 --> 01:10:06,880
Two time Olympic champion Sydney
McLaughlin Levroni has announced

1194
01:10:07,200 --> 01:10:09,000
that she is expecting her first 
child. 

1195
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,320
Congratulations to her and her 
husband Andre. 

1196
01:10:12,800 --> 01:10:17,040
So unless you know, actually 
there's no way that she can pull

1197
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:22,040
in Ellie Saint Pierre and come 
back in time for the World 

1198
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:26,640
Ultimate Championships. 
So the 2026 season is probably 

1199
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:30,640
gone for the reigning world 400 
meter champion. 

1200
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:38,400
But very exciting news. 
And yeah, I think like it's it's

1201
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:43,880
the women's 400 hurdles right 
now is the most wide open event.

1202
01:10:43,880 --> 01:10:47,400
Like if you're Delilah Muhammad,
you have to come back at this 

1203
01:10:47,400 --> 01:10:50,920
point. 
I I saw the the potential for 

1204
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:55,360
another breaking news after so 
fem Kabul says. 

1205
01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:57,320
I was just kidding about the 
800. 

1206
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,360
I'm actually, no, actually, 
they're just going to be really 

1207
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:03,040
good at the 8:00. 
But huge Congrats to Sydney and 

1208
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,000
Andre. 
I mean, that kid is going to 

1209
01:11:05,000 --> 01:11:10,040
have talent oozing out of them. 
Yeah, I hopefully, yeah, 

1210
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:11,880
hopefully they're they choose 
track. 

1211
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:16,400
I was wondering just sort of 
because, you know, everyone did 

1212
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:18,880
just sort of like the newsy 
posts about, you know, the 

1213
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:23,480
pregnancy, but how soon after 
the, you know, the 

1214
01:11:23,480 --> 01:11:25,760
congratulations, do you get to 
analyze? 

1215
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:29,880
Just sort of like the yeah, 
right, Like it just in other 

1216
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:33,360
sports, like you'd feel like, 
oh, Serena Williams announces 

1217
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,240
that she's pregnant. 
Here's who the next who, who the

1218
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:39,280
next 5 best tennis players are 
who are now favourited to win 

1219
01:11:39,280 --> 01:11:42,760
like the US Open. 
So I was like, I don't know if 

1220
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:45,920
track is at that level of 
comfort and sort of like the 

1221
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:49,960
analysis to start unpacking like
Cindy's out. 

1222
01:11:49,960 --> 01:11:53,120
So here's what it means for the 
women's 400 and the women's 400 

1223
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:56,000
hurdles. 
But to do it really quick, it's 

1224
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:59,600
all right. 
Paulino's Paulino's back to 

1225
01:12:00,160 --> 01:12:04,760
square number one with Sally 
Nasser, although my bold 

1226
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:08,440
prediction for the year that 
Shawnee Miller Weibo makes a 

1227
01:12:08,440 --> 01:12:11,440
tremendous comeback is looking 
better now. 

1228
01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:16,000
Yeah, she could end up with a 
medal at the World Ultimate 

1229
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,560
Championships. 
And then for the 400 hurdles, 

1230
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,520
like we said, if you're Delil 
Muhammad, you have to come back.

1231
01:12:22,520 --> 01:12:26,200
It's either Delil Muhammad or 
Anna Cockrell. 

1232
01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:29,520
And then there's also who's the 
hurdler who came away with the 

1233
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:36,160
bronze, New Balance athlete, 
European, from Hungary. 

1234
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:39,480
I kind of want to say, oh. 
Man, put it down the spot. 

1235
01:12:41,560 --> 01:12:46,840
But also could be her year too. 
Yeah, I mean it. 

1236
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,520
It definitely opens things up 
significantly. 

1237
01:12:50,760 --> 01:12:52,720
I mean, I don't know if Sydney 
was going to do the World 

1238
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:57,360
Ultimate champs one way or 
another, but you know. 

1239
01:12:57,720 --> 01:13:01,080
Are they struggling right now in
terms of just like that was 

1240
01:13:01,080 --> 01:13:03,720
another point, It's just sort of
like what Cindy McLaughlin 

1241
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,800
Liveroni's pregnancy means for 
the women's 404 hundred hurdles.

1242
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,320
And then the other one would be 
the World Ultimate 

1243
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:11,800
Championships, where now they 
are without Beatrice Jibet in 

1244
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:16,720
the 5K, they're without Femcabol
in the 400 hurdles, you're 

1245
01:13:16,720 --> 01:13:20,240
without Sydney in the 400 or the
400 hurdles. 

1246
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:25,000
So, yeah, I mean, those were 
automatic spots. 

1247
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,400
Now it's opened up another spot 
for people to get in off of 

1248
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:30,680
world ranking. 
But yeah, I think this is again,

1249
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,600
to the point of like, some 
people are going to treat this 

1250
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,920
like, like an off year. 
Yeah. 

1251
01:13:36,040 --> 01:13:40,520
And or that they need a break. 
It's a good sign if you're Emma 

1252
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,640
Zappa to That's who I was. 
That was who I was thinking 

1253
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:49,080
about, yeah. 
Yeah, but no, I mean Beatrice, 

1254
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:52,240
Sydney, anyone else not race 
yet? 

1255
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:55,600
Yeah, right. 
That's just trying to read 

1256
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:57,640
within between the tea leaves, 
right. 

1257
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:02,920
OK, Final thing, Jakob being a 
Brits in great profile in the 

1258
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:09,400
Guardian, Yeah, he said I've fed
my obsession my whole life and 

1259
01:14:09,400 --> 01:14:13,120
just kind of goes into just how 
intense his training is. 

1260
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:17,800
And he added that he might be, 
quote, autistic due to his all 

1261
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,960
in intensity and his singular 
focus. 

1262
01:14:20,240 --> 01:14:24,080
He also said that he's haunted 
by finishing fourth in the 1500 

1263
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,680
at the Paris Olympics because, 
quote, 9 times out of 10, I win 

1264
01:14:27,680 --> 01:14:31,600
that race. 
That was the 10th still biting 

1265
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:35,600
at him. 
And the nine times out of ten 

1266
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:40,280
thing he's brought up many times
before, I think of just sort of 

1267
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:43,360
like, oh, like 99% of the time I
win that race. 

1268
01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:49,720
And it was Mac, I think it at 
pre classic in 2024 who said to 

1269
01:14:49,720 --> 01:14:52,400
him he was like, but that wasn't
the one like the one time. 

1270
01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:55,440
And it was like you could have 
he Mac almost could have gotten 

1271
01:14:55,440 --> 01:14:58,960
into an argument with Yakub, but
wasn't going to press the issue 

1272
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:02,000
because Mac was trying to ask 
him like, would you change your 

1273
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:04,240
tactics? 
And he was like, no, because I 

1274
01:15:04,240 --> 01:15:07,120
win 99% of the time. 
And then he's like, but the one 

1275
01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:13,440
time you didn't so. 
All right, so Yakub's always an 

1276
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:16,640
amazing interview. 
And I guess my question for you 

1277
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:23,280
take Yaak about yeah, who is the
automatic you you like see, 

1278
01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:26,240
Preet has uploaded 50 
interviews. 

1279
01:15:26,280 --> 01:15:29,560
Yeah, to the YouTube channel. 
Who's your first? 

1280
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:32,160
Like I will always watch their 
interviews. 

1281
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:37,280
Sifan Hassan. 
OK, cuz like it goes in so many 

1282
01:15:37,360 --> 01:15:41,800
different directions. 
She'll give you some funny bits,

1283
01:15:43,240 --> 01:15:45,320
I think. 
Marco Langan. 

1284
01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:46,880
There you have, of course, Marco
Langan. 

1285
01:15:48,440 --> 01:15:50,880
Speaking of, it's almost March, 
dude. 

1286
01:15:52,040 --> 01:15:53,720
March is coming. 
I think the closer he gets to 

1287
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:56,880
March, the better he gets, which
is a good sign of things. 

1288
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,080
March is going to be big for the
Marco Langan heads. 

1289
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:01,880
We need. 
We need to come out with March 

1290
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:04,040
shirts. 
The Lang domes. 

1291
01:16:04,040 --> 01:16:05,360
Yeah, I. 
Don't. 

1292
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,960
Know yeah so it's probably right
now it's it's Marco Langan and 

1293
01:16:09,200 --> 01:16:14,240
Stephane Asan would be must 
watch interviews trying to think

1294
01:16:14,240 --> 01:16:16,560
anything other. 
There was so much news, I think 

1295
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:18,920
a couple of days ago where it 
was just sort of Sydney's 

1296
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:25,640
pregnant Yvette Lalova, Kolio 
tested positive from a retesting

1297
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,000
of drug samples from 2016, which
I was like, oh, they're still 

1298
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:30,120
testing those samples. 
Some people might still be 

1299
01:16:30,120 --> 01:16:33,320
sweating. 
Then they came out the Tokyo 

1300
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:35,760
Marathon fields. 
We were supposed to discuss the 

1301
01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:39,600
Boston Marathon men's fields, 
but this podcast has gone on for

1302
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,480
a bit. 
But those are really good. 

1303
01:16:41,480 --> 01:16:42,960
We'll do that in another 
episode. 

1304
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:45,600
Bridget Cosguy is in the Tokyo 
Marathon, but she's going to be 

1305
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:47,960
representing Turkey. 
That was supposed to be one of 

1306
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:52,280
my bold predictions for 2026 was
I was like, oh, Turkey's going 

1307
01:16:52,280 --> 01:16:54,760
to acquire a couple more big 
stars and look at them. 

1308
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,000
So the right now the report is 
they get Bridget Cosguy, former 

1309
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,280
marathon world record holder, 
and the one who is not being 

1310
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:03,000
talked about enough is Ronald 
Quemoy. 

1311
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:07,560
He's also taking the money, 
which the money apparently is 

1312
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:15,760
like a $500,000 signing bonus 
and then thirty $380,000 for 

1313
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:20,480
Olympic gold and an additional 
$190,000 for an Olympic record. 

1314
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:25,480
So. 
So it's a great team. 

1315
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:27,680
They're going to be coached by 
Eric Adams. 

1316
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:31,480
Yeah. 
All right. 

1317
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,080
I think that does it. 
We will come at you later this 

1318
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,480
week with more from New York 
City. 

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Kyle will be on the pre ratio 
with me. 

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Eric, Aisha, Anderson, Mack will
be in town. 

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Preet's in town. 
So more on the Milrose Games 

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later this week. 
Thanks for listening. 

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We'll catch you guys. 
Next time. 

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All right, that's a wrap on 
today's episode. 

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Thanks for listening, for the 
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Big thanks to our producer 
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behind the scenes who helps make
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