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All right, it's that time of 
year. 

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Cross country season is upon us.
I'm Chris Chavez, joined by the 

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one and only Isaac Wood, And on 
today's show, the XC season has 

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already gotten real. 
BYU freshman Jane Hennigan made 

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her NCAA debut and torched the 
field at Prenat's, breaking the 

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Gantz Creek course record by 25 
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In 1842, Florida's Calvin 
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men's race there, and then NC 
State's Grace Hartman and New 

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Mexico's Haptam Samuel won nutty
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The BYU and NC State women 
ranked number one and two both 

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rolled to dominant team wins, 
setting up what already feels 

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like a two team showdown for 
nationals. 

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And the New Mexico men announce 
themselves as podium threats 

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with a big win over Colorado in 
Madison. 

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Let's talk all about it with 
Isaac Wood, who let's just share

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a quick little life update since
we've had you on the pod last 

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fall at that play. 
At that time you were at Salt 

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Lake Community College and you 
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And then couple months back, big
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So let's update the listeners 
where you're at and what you're 

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up to now. 
Yeah, for the five of you who 

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care, we'll make it. 
Keep it brief. 

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No, I, I was at Salt Lake 
Community College, started the 

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program there. 
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The school went in a slightly 
different direction and the, and

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the level of support they really
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And so I decided I should look 
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do something different. 
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wanting to start a program from 
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And because I like being a 
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opportunity to take over the 
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University of Pacific. 
It's in Stockton, CA just South 

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of Sacramento. 
Rare, I guess nowadays for like,

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you know, universities to be 
supporting like new teams, like 

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the trend across the country is 
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with the settlement and all that
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We'd only heard like reports of 
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for programs. 
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you get to do what you love, 
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scratch. 
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athletic department that's 
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let's let's let's get ahead of 
the house settlement stuff and 

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let's be let's be proactive in 
adding in adding programs and 

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making athletics even further 
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campus community and things like
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So it's pretty cool. 
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It's been fun. 
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not going to touch as much 
unlike all of the governance 

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stuff taking place in the NCAA 
with like, you know, the the 

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settlement roster cuts and all 
that stuff. 

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Like the the big trend in the 
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of course, has been just sort of
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runners on rosters. 
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those numbers kind of really go 
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mean for the American 
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athletes here in the States. 
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some point we can talk all about
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But this past weekend, you know,
the season, you know, is really 

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underway. 
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little weird because it's just a
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World Championships. 
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who even competed at the World 
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already competing for their 
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like an Angelina Napoleon, who 
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couple weeks ago. 
But on this show, we're going to

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unpack nutty comb pre Nats and 
then you can also call out 

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anything that stood out to you, 
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Princeton, TX, A&M or Alabama. 
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headline that captivated people 
and that was Jane Henrigan 

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making her NCAA debut for BYU 
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the race. 1842 course record by 
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This is the same course that is 
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Championships in five weeks. 
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has an idea of her accolades as 
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in the mile at 4233K842, mile 
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Unreal times that you know would
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of the best people in the NCAA. 
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sure you're still super plugged 
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When you heard that, you know 
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green light for Jane to compete 
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This. 
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Shock, But did she exceed your 
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she was? 
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and her family for a long time, 
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her. 
I'd almost call meteoric Rise to

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where she is. 
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honestly objectively pleased 
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Diljit Taylor. 
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excellent fit for her future, 
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her future 'cause I think she 
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holistic approach of of a not 
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great in college, but we also 
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well, right. 
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Honestly, I don't know. 
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That's what's scary. 
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I think she ran to win, but 
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still more there. 
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to make it more fun when she 
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you know, New Mexico's Pamela 
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Doris Lemglazer, Hilda Lemon 
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think that's when we're really 
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really unleashed and, and it's 
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that level. 
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beat her head to head in that 5K
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And so I think that, you know, I
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wins for an individual title for
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definitely going to be in the 
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crazy to think that would be. 
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you know, a high schooler from 
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be this impactful this quickly. 
There probably has been the last

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But I would say that's cool to 
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already right here. 
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I mean, to be fair, that first 
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of excuses, right? 
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I just felt not race ready. 
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like I I didn't have the race 
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else has had of run two or three
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I mean, she it was just like, it
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bike from not riding with for 10
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yeah, this is easy, you know, 
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right? 
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it was pretty just fun to see 
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things. 
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part to just sort of her 
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was, you know, essentially wire 
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into the race she had, let's 
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lead on, you know, Sylvia Gilego
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But by 5K, the 5K split is where
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point is 19 seconds up on 
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takes it all the way home to the
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Yeah, I mean, that's, you know, 
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really well is she her moves are
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It's always perfectly measured, 
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just, she will take it from one 
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And that just shows her maturity
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so, you know, young at 18 years 
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just understands how to race so 
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coming out of high school. 
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just extrapolating from what 
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like we haven't even gotten to 
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Loose just yet? 
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I don't know, you know, when the
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cross country race, you know, 
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NXN last year, right? 
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you know, that was just fun. 
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I think I think it's going to be
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she handles, you know, maybe a 
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I think she'll be fine. 
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But I think, I think, but I 
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like NCAA's is going to be, you 
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group of her maybe three or four
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just going to be it's going to 
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And, you know, curious to see 
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if and if she encounters 
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with that as well. 
So can we utilizing a bit more 

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of your just sort of experience 
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country courses, the Ganz 
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I mean, to put this performance 
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impressive is it? 
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like are there any comps that we
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It's always hard right to 
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Like it's not as necessarily 
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But you know what? 
What type of course is this for,

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for, for the people who you know
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to know more ahead of the 
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I think it's fair. 
I think it's a fair cross 

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country course. 
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difficult as maybe like a Zimmer
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Wisconsin. 
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trying to think of a good of a 
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haute. 
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a a margin harder than this 
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I think it's fair because it 
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feel like you're literally just 
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loops over and over and over 
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But I think that it it you can 
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I mean, I think that the time 
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pretty fair for a for a course 
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Like if you, if you were to run 
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know, that would have been like 
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wow, like how could you do that?
I think, I think a Gans Creek 

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it'll be fair. 
It'll be ill run like a like a 

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good cross country course. 
I just don't think anyone's 

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going into Gans Creek thinking 
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Like Oklahoma state's course 
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course. 
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stand from there, but I still I 
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I love the venue. 
I, I get so excited when, when 

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cities or counties are, you 
know, these groups get together 

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and make a permanent cross 
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Like how cool is that? 
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Conference championship this 
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it's on a dedicated cross 
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We'll run the very first race 
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And, and I'd love that. 
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more value to that than people 
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there's economic impact and 
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have big host, they host big 
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If you do four or five of those 
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maintenance and the cost of it 
probably in just a year or two, 

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you know? 
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validates our sport and it 
validates like that, like what 

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we're doing matters and it 
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facilities and structures to 
host things like this. 

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because it got moved, right, 
like because of the the weather,

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did that change necessarily like
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scheduling wise? 
Because right, like some people 

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wait, you know, to or don't even
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championship and opt to just go 
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Potentially that will be 
valuable at Wisconsin. 

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But was there anyone that stood 
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sort of like the overall results
of just like, oh, like, you 

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know, I'm curious why they 
weren't there. 

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Yeah, none for me on the prenat 
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women's side. 
I think that the teams that got 

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there got there well enough in 
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thought was really eye opening 
did look like some teams help 

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people out. 
I think Florida held out their 

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top two or three. 
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probably other examples of that 
that aren't just coming to my 

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don't know if that impacted the 
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I mean, I wasn't there. 
But from just looking at the 

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results, I'm talking to some 
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I, I, I think that, I think, I 
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fair what it was going to be. 
OK, so then looking at the the 

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actual results, BYU won pretty 
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Point. 678 And that's without 
Jenna Hutchins. 

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Right. 
How good does this team look to 

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you? 
Yeah, they look great and and 

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they're getting they're they're 
getting support from women who 

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hadn't been in the mix last 
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proof that, you know, the BYU 
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producing incredible talent, 
honestly, right. 

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I mean, JC Farmer, you know, had
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years and kind of had battled 
some injuries, but she's been a 

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7th. 
Lexi Goff was an 800m runner in 

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high school. 
That's now running 1946 against 

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Creakin, finishing top ten, 
beating Monica Monaco on jiku 

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from Missouri, who is probably a
top 15 or 20 talent, right? 

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And and so, yeah, I mean, you 
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superstar freshman who no one's 
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there's Jane. 
But like Zariel McKee is really,

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really good, right? 
And and so and BYU, the thing 

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that they did do this year that 
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Carmen Alder a year back. 
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in her fifth year with the level
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just a nice anchor on the 
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who's real solid, who gets it 
and has been through the the 

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ringer of a season so many 
times. 

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Well. 

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So then on top of that, I mean, 
if we look at last year's team 

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versus this year's team, I mean 
the biggest improvement is that 

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they get this major low stick 
that could end up just being, 

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you know, 123 points potentially
at the NC Championships. 

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Right, yeah, there's nothing 
like having to really only score

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4 athletes out of meat, you 
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Like one point, OK, goody, you 
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scoring 4. 
That's what makes them so scary 

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is that depth, even with Jane 
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know, they still had just a 64 
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considering how good Jane is. 
Like keeping a thing get that 

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spread to under a minute at 
NCAA. 

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SI mean, that's that's that's a 
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to beat. 
So then to counteract that, NC 

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State goes out and wins Nutty 
Comb by 41 points. 1-2 finish. 

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Grace Hartman. 
Angelina Napoleon. 

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He have. 
Last year we looked at this. 

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Roster And we're just, you know,
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think the phrase that we had 
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show and all that kind of stuff,
which is like this felt like a a

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rebuilding year for NC State a 
transition year from like that 

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dynasty that they had going for 
a couple years, obviously 

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anchored by Caitlin Toohey to 
all right now you've seen a 

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couple of these athletes 
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It needed another year or two 
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settle in. 
You bring in Sadie Englehart, 

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true freshman, former high 
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Jane broke that record, and 
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So for them to post 41 points, 
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Nutty Comb, I mean, that also 
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It's like, OK, it's not just BYU
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young talent making an instant 
impact. 

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NC states all's doing the same 
exact thing. 

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Yeah, it's, it's, it's kind of, 
you know, gearing up to be quite

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the class. 
You know, I think I'm going to 

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be careful of making it bigger 
than what it is because how many

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years did it be like, I was like
BYU versus NAU thing on the 

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men's side, Then it then like 
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like being actually what that 
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But I do I, I think it's just, 
it's for real. 

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I mean, and if you're, you know,
if you're, if you don't look at 

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that roster and think these guys
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then you aren't looking at it 
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This is a really good team and 
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interesting to me is like Brooke
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She didn't have a great day. 
You know, she probably she 

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probably could have been just as
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else on their team. 
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I give a lot of credit to 
several people on this on this 

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team. 
Hartman, of course, for the dub.

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Napoleon for coming back from 
World Champs and being that good

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already. 
I mean, it's not like I I'm sure

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they didn't just throw right 
into the mix, but she got home 

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right. 
I mean, I'm sure she took a 

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break. 
I'm sure she kind of built back 

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into it. 
So Sky is the limit still for 

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her, I would think. 
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Like, like I give her so much 
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and digging in and being tough 
and being willing to like, be OK

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with like, I'm going to be top 
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not just be like, if I'm not 
winning this race, this isn't 

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worth it, right? 
I think sometimes you get these 

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young athletes who are so good 
in high school, like the best, 

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if not maybe top five in the 
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And they really struggle 
learning how to dig and push and

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not see the front of the race. 
But Sadie finishing top 20 shows

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me some another sign of like 
pretty mature athlete who is 

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bought into this team concept 
for NC State. 

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And they're good. 
They're very good. 

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I mean, I don't like it's hard 
to say if one team is is better 

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than the other right now. 
I mean, I think you'd probably 

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give the give it to BYU right 
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look that much more dominant. 
But NC State looks as they look 

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up for the challenge for sure. 
How does Oregon and Florida fit 

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into sort of like your early 
podium, you know, picture? 

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Well, I think I picked Oregon to
win last year on the women's 

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side and that's just great. 
Good job, Isaac, not picking 

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alma mater on either side. 
They both won anyway. 

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I have not heard about that at 
all since then either, for sure.

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I would say I like Oregon's 
women, too. 

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I mean, the thing that you have 
to think about is Annika 

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Thompson's probably their number
45 because you not only did Toro

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Tits look incredible at 
Dillinger, but they haven't run 

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Mia Barnett or Shalan Al 
Yieldi's yet. 

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And I think that they are a team
that if they can get a Yieldi's 

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and Barnett closer and closer to
Toro Tits, you're all of a 

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sudden you've got three women 
that are top 20 NCAA's. 

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I mean, that put that that 
squarely gives you a chance, 

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right? 
And where was Anika Thompson 

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last year? 
I think she was in the 40s, but 

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NCAA's last year, maybe a 4050 
range like and that's your 4I 

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mean they're going to be they're
a podium team in my opinion for 

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sure right now, just a matter of
how the chips fought. 

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That's doubly meet for them for 
maybe you know, catching a team 

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that blows up or or maybe they 
just keep improving and and 

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matching up with the BYU NC 
States. 

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And then Florida. 
I like Florida. 

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I don't know if they've they, 
you know, they missed an 

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opportunity to be tested yet, to
be fair. 

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I think, I think, I think, you 
know, they could have had that 

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this weekend and didn't and 
that's fine. 

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I think that's part of the deal.
I think you can, you know, 

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coaches can pick and choose how 
they want to run their, how they

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want to run the schedule and how
that all works. 

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So I think for Will, I think 
he's like, Hey, I know how good 

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these women are and we don't 
need to, you don't need to beat 

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them up throughout the course of
season by running really, really

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super hard right here. 
I think you just probably use 

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that as a chance to have a 
really big training block and 

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and get after it to win an SEC 
title and then get them ready 

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for instant blaze. 
So I mean they're good. 

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I mean the Florida's Florida's 
123, maybe even, you know, toss 

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in four with Tia Wilson. 
That's a really good four and a 

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four. 
That can all be, you know, 3 in 

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the top probably 30 events delay
race and then a fourth probably 

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just right, either right inside 
that or right outside that. 

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And that's a that's a team that 
again, you're looking at another

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podium team. 
I mean, to be fair, I think 

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that's the four right. 
If they're, if we're, you know, 

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00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,960
and I think the coach's voting 
is pretty right on for that. 

444
00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,200
I mean, I do think Notre Dame 
and Iowa State, West Virginia 

445
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,200
all have chances to be podium 
teams that they catch a team 

446
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,320
that that has a bad day. 
But I think right now I feel 

447
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:42,120
pretty confident about those 4. 
So the, you know, obvious way to

448
00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:47,280
build BYU versus NC State is 
just like 2 recent dynasties, 

449
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:49,520
you know, going up against each 
other. 

450
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,240
One school that has been just 
sort of in the mix over the last

451
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,640
couple of years that did not 
have, you know, as great of a 

452
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,760
weekend. 
NAU 18th at Netticombe. 

453
00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:02,080
Is this their their transition 
year? 

454
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,080
Just, you know, still haven't 
seen like all of their top 

455
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,720
runners. 
But then, you know, they did go 

456
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,800
from 4th to 18th in the middle 
of the race at one point. 

457
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,600
Yeah, I think from what I heard,
there was a lot of sickness on 

458
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,840
that team. 
And I think probably every team 

459
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,520
could say that, though that's 
the thing that's hard in the 

460
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,280
middle of October. 
Like if you you know, I doubt 

461
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,920
there's a single team in the 
country that ran their their 

462
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,840
best five or seven that were 
healthy and ready to go. 

463
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:34,880
I don't think it's time to push 
the panic button on any of you 

464
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,400
women yet. 
There's all those women are very

465
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,040
good. 
I think that to be fair, they'll

466
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,960
probably utilize how Nedicone 
went as a springboard to just 

467
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,400
being that much more motivated 
and being, being that much more 

468
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,080
ready for NCAA's. 
Again, you have to balance as a 

469
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,120
coach the desire to be good 
right in this moment. 

470
00:24:52,360 --> 00:24:55,240
You know, you want to run well 
these, these these big invites. 

471
00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:58,840
But like the crazy thing about 
our our season and our job is 

472
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,360
like, no one cares. 
Like your AD really doesn't care

473
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,120
how you do a nutty comb. 
I mean, I guess they think you 

474
00:25:05,120 --> 00:25:07,480
might think it's cool if you're 
ranked tied during the season or

475
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,760
whatever, but they want to see 
you run well conference meet. 

476
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:11,080
They want to see you get to 
NCAA's. 

477
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:14,000
They want to see you run well 
NCAA's and there's probably a 

478
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,360
bit of that factoring into how 
some teams looked earlier, 

479
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,720
looked in some of these mid 
season meets because I think 

480
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,080
that there's still always that 
that focus is always going to be

481
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,680
on can we run our best at the 
end of the season. 

482
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,640
With just sort of just like 
that, you know, transitional 

483
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,640
period from, you know, coach 
Mike Smith to Coach Kornfeld, 

484
00:25:31,360 --> 00:25:35,680
Like do you just sort of have to
reframe how you, you know, look 

485
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,640
at success at the end of the 
season, not necessarily of being

486
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:42,520
maybe top four in this first 
year, but what, top 10 maybe? 

487
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,680
Yeah, I think so. 
I mean, I think there's I think 

488
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,440
Jared is wonderful and I think 
he's I think he's a great coach.

489
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,120
And so certainly I feel 
confident he's going to be able 

490
00:25:51,120 --> 00:25:53,600
to keep things going. 
You know, they would have hired 

491
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,360
him and kept him on if that 
wasn't the case, right? 

492
00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:56,760
Because that's a big time 
program, right? 

493
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,760
You don't just like say, all 
right, Jared, well, you, you 

494
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,360
waited the longest, so good for 
you, right. 

495
00:26:00,360 --> 00:26:02,400
Like if like they were going to 
give him to the guy who they 

496
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,400
felt like was going to do the 
best job and clearly he was 

497
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,800
ready for that. 
But I think I think there's 

498
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,360
always a transition anytime 
there's something different or 

499
00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:12,560
change, right? 
So I think there could be a 

500
00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,360
level of that too to this season
as well. 

501
00:26:14,360 --> 00:26:19,080
Like, you know, I can't imagine 
Mike's not still playing some 

502
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,840
role there. 
You know, I don't actually know.

503
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,520
I'm not in flag and I lost their
practices, but it's kind of my 

504
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,760
thought. 
But I but I do think that I I 

505
00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:29,200
would not take what happened at 
nutty comb for any of his women 

506
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,440
as a as a super indicator for 
for where they're going to be at

507
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,280
the end of the season. 
I think that's AI think that's a

508
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,080
lagging indicator for where for 
Curry for looking at that Now. 

509
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,880
I think there's some other 
things that probably they're 

510
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,920
looking at to see how they're 
going to be the end of season 

511
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,680
based on what they look like in 
practice and things like that. 

512
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,680
All right, so we're recording 
this literally, I think less 

513
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:53,200
than an hour after the latest 
USTCCCA national coaches poll 

514
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,040
has come out. 
And so right now they have it as

515
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,280
BYU number one with 330 points, 
11 first place votes. 

516
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:05,880
NC State's second, 319 points. 
Florida 3rd, 296 points. 

517
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:09,920
Oregon 4th, 291 points. 
Notre Dame fifth with 200 each, 

518
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,480
seven points. 
I mean, just among those top 

519
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,480
five schools, they're not 
separated by a whole lot. 

520
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:20,400
So I don't necessarily know off 
the top of my head just what is 

521
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:25,040
the next, you know, meet that 
they're all going to not 

522
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:26,200
necessarily. 
Head to head. 

523
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:29,880
But over the next couple weeks 
before we get to regionals 

524
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:34,720
actions, what is the storyline 
or the athlete that you're most 

525
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,560
centered on on each one of those
teams that could help them make 

526
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:42,000
a difference in either moving up
or solidifying themselves as 

527
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,680
like a true title contender for 
the NCA championship? 

528
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:48,520
So let's start with with Notre 
Dame. 

529
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,000
Like what do you what, what's 
who's the person, the athlete or

530
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,720
the performance that you need to
see or change? 

531
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,400
You know, whether it's in, you 
know, pack time, whatever it is 

532
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,520
from Notre Dame that will move 
them up from 5th into, you know,

533
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,080
say third or second or first. 
Yeah, I mean, it's a, it's a, 

534
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:06,160
it's a good thought about Notre 
Dame. 

535
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,680
I mean, they they, you know, I I
bet they feel content about how 

536
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,320
Neddy Komen finishing second, 
but I still think they're 

537
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,120
probably think that their team 
total points could have been a 

538
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:17,800
little bit better. 
I mean, obviously an 

539
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,720
unbelievable run from their true
freshman, Amaya Aramini. 

540
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:24,000
I mean, there's an unbelievable 
race from her and Mary Bar 

541
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,160
Dalton is just so she might be a
little more underrated names in 

542
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,720
the NCAA for just how absolutely
good she is. 

543
00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:35,800
I think Notre Dame is missing 
Shona Chisholm and that probably

544
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:40,080
gives them, you know, that 
probably knocks off maybe 30 

545
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:41,280
points. 
I'll probably get them to like 

546
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:42,880
into that 90 point rings in that
race. 

547
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,760
So I think the key for them is, 
is her, like, where is she? 

548
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,600
Is there a reason why she didn't
race but she dinged up or they 

549
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,440
just saving her? 
So for me, Notre Dame's big key 

550
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,920
is yeah, is Jonah Chisel. 
All right, So then if we go over

551
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:59,360
to 4th Oregon. 
I think Shalana Yielde, I think 

552
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,680
we feel I would feel really good
about her and what she can do. 

553
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:06,320
I think the question is Mia 
Barnett, how, how, how high up 

554
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,760
the, you know, on her team can 
she be, can she be the number 2?

555
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,960
You know, I think I think 
there's, you know, questions 

556
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,800
about just kind of where you 
know, she she can be coming off 

557
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,040
of what, you know, a long, a 
long break. 

558
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,920
And obviously I think there's 
just for her. 

559
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:30,000
It's it's it's is she OK being 
the three or the four and how 

560
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:31,560
well can't you do in the race 
knowing that? 

561
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,560
I think for her, that's probably
where she needs to, you know, 

562
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,080
yeah, consider where she should 
be in that in that in that pack 

563
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,520
for their team. 
So I think she's she plays a 

564
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,760
major role in that as Barnett 
Florida. 

565
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,760
I think they expect probably a 
little bit more from Desmond 

566
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,200
Tubkovich. 
I think they brought her in 

567
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,840
think that she was going to be 
able to run right with Judy 

568
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:53,280
Tubkovich and and Hilda and so 
Steel Wilson so steady and and 

569
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,720
you know, 1540 something 5K 
girl. 

570
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,200
So I think for me, the the big 
the big name for Florida and how

571
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,200
and and the you know, a key to 
their success will be, you know,

572
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,000
how much more can Desmond Chef 
coach improve and can get. 

573
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,680
I acclimated to the installed 
laces. 

574
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,480
All right, NC State. 
Yeah, man, I think I I think 

575
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,640
it's it. 
Can Brooke Robber bounce back 

576
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,280
from from Nutty Calm? 
I think she's she's the key for 

577
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,920
me there. 
I think if she can run with 

578
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:27,080
Gapes and Mishalik, I think that
that puts them even further, 

579
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,440
even closer to being at the same
level as BYU is. 

580
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,960
BYU Is it just what happens when
Jane goes all out and Jenna 

581
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,440
Hutchins is back? 
Yeah, I think, I think it's, 

582
00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,440
it's more the the women who have
made significant progress this 

583
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,200
year, the JC farmers, the Lexi 
Goff, the Neela Roberts. 

584
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,720
Can they sustain that? 
That's I think there is a 

585
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:55,040
collective of of their you know,
4567. 

586
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,360
Can they sustain what they did a
nutty call or not another 

587
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:03,080
Prenats throughout the year and 
and be able to then actually, 

588
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,680
you know, apply that into and 
transit that into how well they 

589
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,000
can do it as AA's. 
All right, that was your women's

590
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,520
team race with, you know, a 
little over a month ago till 

591
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,280
it's the big dance in in 
Missouri All right, on the men's

592
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,920
side from a team element, it 
feels like the New Mexico Lobos 

593
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,640
are back. 
They won nutty comb 51 points 

594
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,800
big statement win by coach 
Darren Gossen. 

595
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:37,680
This is quite the resurrection, 
I would say, since 2023. 

596
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,480
Now they're purely looking like 
a podium threat. 

597
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,040
It's it's, you know, this is 
what happens, I guess, when it's

598
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:49,520
a transfer heavy East African 
recruiting model that is really 

599
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,400
paying off. 
Like they're not breaking any 

600
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,600
rules by doing all this kind of 
stuff. 

601
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,800
Again, like the system is what 
has allowed for, you know, this 

602
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,280
to happen in the NCAA. 
And New Mexico is one of those 

603
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,720
schools that is, you know, 
taking full advantage of it. 

604
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,800
It's it's kind of like it's kind
of like the United States tax 

605
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,960
laws, you know, and all these 
like little loopholes that 

606
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,320
people are like, oh man, this 
like every people like speak 

607
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,760
I'll of someone for finding 
loopholes in the tax system. 

608
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,160
Like they made that for a 
reason. 

609
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,120
You know, you just got to like 
find out what it is and and 

610
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:20,360
utilize it. 
I don't think it's any 

611
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,560
different, but instantly rules. 
It's easy to get caught up and 

612
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,080
and like, you know, feeling like
something's unfair, but but. 

613
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:29,760
Can you say, can you, can you 
tell me off here what some of 

614
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,560
these tax loopholes are? 
Yeah, yeah, we can talk. 

615
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,080
We can talk though. 
But you know what I'm trying to 

616
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:36,600
say, right? 
I think sometimes people just 

617
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,440
they get upset when they see 
when they see teams load up with

618
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,760
international talent. 
And I think there's a paradigm 

619
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:47,640
to that, right? 
Like, you know, some people's 

620
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:53,400
paradigm is I want my team to 
reflect the university and the 

621
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,360
city we're in. 
To be fair, I think there's 

622
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,880
teams that want that. 
And others are like, I don't 

623
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,240
care. 
Like I wanna be, I wanna win. 

624
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,800
We can be, I wanna win and I 
want to change someone's life in

625
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:10,400
the process by bringing someone 
here from like a Kenya or any of

626
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,960
those and any country that or 
any situation where coming to 

627
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,640
come to school in America would 
make a significant difference in

628
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,400
their life. 
Like, you know, I think it's 

629
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,880
easy to be to look down upon 
people like bringing, you know, 

630
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,840
all international teams. 
But I think there's still so 

631
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,880
much good that's actually 
happening from a personal 

632
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,440
individual level there too that 
I think is is overlooked. 

633
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,120
And so for New Mexico and for 
Darren, I mean, Darren's 

634
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:35,720
international himself, he's got 
us right. 

635
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,200
I think he, you know, for him, 
it's like, yeah, I came to New 

636
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,200
Mexico to be, to win a national 
title. 

637
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,360
That's why that's why he took 
that job. 

638
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,840
And that's what he's pitched, I 
think to his to his admin is 

639
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,360
give me the funds to roll with 
this thing and and get us a 

640
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:53,840
chance to be an NCAA champion 
again, right? 

641
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:58,080
Because they're women's team, 
you know, 1, you know, 10 years 

642
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,040
ago probably. 
And, and so I think, I think 

643
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:04,840
for, for Darren, that's where 
he's at. 

644
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,200
He's like, I need the best 
possible people I can bring in 

645
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,639
that I can use my money for to, 
you know, give the give the 

646
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,159
academic, the athletic 
scholarships on top of probably 

647
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:16,120
some NIL things like that. 
And that's why they're good. 

648
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,280
You know, they're, they're 
investing in it. 

649
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,440
That's the difference, right? 
It's the investment level. 

650
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,159
Yeah so every guys are looking 
at who they had running this 

651
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:28,440
past weekend because they posted
up 51 total points at nutty comb

652
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:34,400
of insane score it it was Haftam
Samuel being their number 1. 

653
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,800
He wins the whole entire meet. 
He runs 2258. 

654
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,199
Is he are you looking at him as 
you know now that Grand Blancs 

655
00:34:43,199 --> 00:34:47,159
is is done and out of the NCAA 
system is Haftam Samuel one of 

656
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:50,400
the guys who could win the 
individual title come the 

657
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,679
national championships? 
It it seems like an obvious 

658
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:57,040
answer because he's someone who 
has run a world championship 

659
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,080
qualifying time in the 10K. 
He wasn't selected for the World

660
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,760
Championships for Eritrea 
because I believe he's seeking 

661
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,840
citizenship here in the United 
States. 

662
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,240
So something definitely to watch
ahead of 2028. 

663
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,560
He's a junior now and he's 
taking full advantage of just 

664
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:21,640
sort of the time in the NCAA. 
So is are you thinking all 

665
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,080
right, given how close he's come
in the last couple years at the 

666
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,960
NCA Championships? 
He could. 

667
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,120
He is the he's. 
Basically next in line to take 

668
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:31,960
over. 
To be fair, I think the other 

669
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,440
guy that I thought might have a 
chance to to knock him off the 

670
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,440
his his, you know, number one 
spot or perch would be Solomon 

671
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:40,960
Katoga. 
And he handled him just five. 

672
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,480
I mean that, you know, Paul 
Swanguard, we got all excited 

673
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,280
about that movie he made. 
I don't know if he wants to 

674
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:50,400
raise, but he made this really 
like intentional move and he's 

675
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,440
like, I've never seen someone 
make such an aggressive move. 

676
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,640
And that's I mean, he just 
looked like he was just out 

677
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,440
there playing. 
It was almost Jane Haddengren 

678
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,360
like of like, is it time to go 
now? 

679
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:05,200
OK, fun, let's go. 
Looked really looked pretty 

680
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,360
simple for him. 
I think Hatton's the guy you 

681
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,480
hate. 
I've been known to do this. 

682
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:16,200
Like pick somebody early and 
just be like, that's it. 

683
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,080
But I just don't know if there's
someone who can. 

684
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,360
I don't know if he can be beat. 
Like, I need someone to tell me,

685
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,680
someone else who's gonna be able
to factor in there. 

686
00:36:26,720 --> 00:36:29,160
Well, it was like Ishmael Kip 
Karui, who was his teammate up 

687
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,720
until he decided to turn pro 
this past summer and one and 

688
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:37,280
done out of the NCAA. 
Yeah, the one done, huh? 

689
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,480
I never thought we'd see that in
NCAA cross country track, right?

690
00:36:40,720 --> 00:36:46,280
Like you see it in NCAA men's 
basketball and and others, but 

691
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,680
you have to see Kip Curry just 
say, all right, yeah, it was 

692
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:49,840
cool to be in Albuquerque for a 
year. 

693
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,240
Thanks, Darren. 
And I'm going to run sub 27 to 

694
00:36:52,240 --> 00:36:56,640
move on, you know, so but but 
they're still loaded. 

695
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,400
That's thing about New Mexico. 
Darren's had a great job. 

696
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,440
They're good. 
And his even his six is still 

697
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,000
really good. 
I think a six guy is like a 1335

698
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,440
or 40 guy. 
Like are we serious? 

699
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:09,080
Like so not only I do think that
you know, they they're they I 

700
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,240
would not say they're quite as 
deep as Iowa State. 

701
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,600
So we're going to segment to the
next thing to talk about like 

702
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,120
they're not as deep as Iowa 
State, Iowa State and still look

703
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,840
pretty damn good and nutty comb 
for those who ran, you know, in 

704
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,800
the race that they put that the 
people that they strategically 

705
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:25,200
raced in there like they are, 
they're deep enough that you 

706
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:30,040
know, they you know, if like any
one of that top five for New 

707
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,480
Mexico struggles and it's AA's 
like Iowa State's going to 

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Yeah, OK, so explain it to to, 
to the folks who look at the 

761
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,960
results and see #1 ranked Iowa 
State ended up finishing 27th 

762
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,520
and then the the rankings come 
out and they're still ranked 

763
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,200
number one in the country with 
11 first place votes and. 

764
00:40:45,240 --> 00:40:47,080
Similar to the women's side, 
there is a little bit of a gap 

765
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,520
between them and Oklahoma State,
and then behind that is New 

766
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,680
Mexico, but those three are 
pretty tightly packed up. 

767
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,080
Yeah, yeah. 
And we'll get to Oklahoma State 

768
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:58,480
here in a second too. 
But I mean, sure, I don't know 

769
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:03,160
if Iowa State ran a single 
person in that race who will be 

770
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,920
in their top seven. 
Devin Capigo dropped out, I 

771
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,240
think. 
I think I do think Seth 

772
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:10,560
Clevenger is good. 
And finishing 19th at Nauticon 

773
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,680
might, might prove that. 
He might be, might be, you know,

774
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,640
worth considering putting in 
their top 7. 

775
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,640
But that's how deep they are. 
I mean, they're so good. 

776
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,640
Cuomo, Bara, Kip, Limo, Rudo, 
Kimutai, Masundo, that's a 

777
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,800
really good five and two former 
JUCO guys, you know, just got a 

778
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:31,320
little shout out to the NBC AA 
having just coached from there. 

779
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,520
Suddenly Masundo was a JUCO 
champ my first year and I think 

780
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,600
2nd place behind him was Rogers 
Kiplimo at Butler Community 

781
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,200
called. 
So, you know, I think that it's 

782
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,840
cool to see Iowa State the way 
they've compiled their team, you

783
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,880
know, because it's it isn't 
just, you know, utilizing town 

784
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,840
hall or or or scholar book, 
whatever it's been, You know, 

785
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:50,040
they're looking at the junior 
college kids. 

786
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,640
They're looking at this these 
other things that, you know, 

787
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,320
Devin Kipiego is from New 
England, I think right. 

788
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,560
And and and Ryan Watts, Avenger,
I think our local guy. 

789
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,000
So I think that, you know, I 
think people will look at that 

790
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,200
Rock would look at that roster 
maybe initially be like, yeah, 

791
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,160
this is like, you know, what are
they doing? 

792
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,680
This is all just this this 
certain way. 

793
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,200
But it's that narrative doesn't 
fit there. 

794
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:13,040
Before we touch on Oklahoma 
State, the defending champs, BYU

795
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,040
ranked 6th going into this past 
weekend, ends up finishing 

796
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:19,560
fifth. 
Number one guy on the team is 

797
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,880
Davin Thompson. 
The senior Taven Kitchen is 

798
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,040
already making an instant 
impact. 

799
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,920
He's not going on his mission, 
it seems like. 

800
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:35,880
And so, yeah, I mean, he was a 
stud 5K runner, national 

801
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:38,440
champion as well out of high 
school. 

802
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:41,760
And so he's the other BYU 
freshman who's already, you 

803
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,520
know, finding some good success,
but. 

804
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:49,120
How do you, how would you frame,
you know, the annual goal for 

805
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,640
BYU if it is a little bit more 
of a rebuilding year for them? 

806
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:57,560
To be fair, I think that this 
this BYU team reminds me a lot 

807
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:02,080
of the team in 2019 that won 
only because they, you know, 

808
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:04,400
they're coming off of a year, 
but they had so much talent and 

809
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:09,520
that they a lot of it left And 
and this team might not quite 

810
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,520
have it isn't quite as hyped and
it has been quite as heralded. 

811
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,920
But, you know, I don't know if 
that means that this team wins. 

812
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,600
I'd I think Oklahoma State, Iowa
State and New Mexico are are 

813
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,920
probably just too good. 
But this is this could be a 

814
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,720
podium team on the right day. 
And I think what people aren't 

815
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:28,000
thinking about is there's 
there's several guys on this BYU

816
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,320
roster that haven't run yet. 
And so if Taven Kitchen is 

817
00:43:32,720 --> 00:43:36,480
maybe, you know, you're two or 
three or four even when you when

818
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,120
you when you factor in James 
Corrigan, Olympian in factor in 

819
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,400
Thomas Boyden stud Stanford 
transfer, right. 

820
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,840
I think that those two guys 
adding Emmett Davin and Tavin 

821
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,640
are really pretty Dang good for.
I think that they're getting and

822
00:43:53,640 --> 00:43:56,520
they're also getting incredible 
development from it from Noah 

823
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,600
Jenkins, who you know, to be 
fair, was an 843 high school 2 

824
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:01,240
Miller. 
So definitely not a chump. 

825
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,000
And he's finally developing to 
the guy that they kind of 

826
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,560
thought he would be. 
But I I think that they I think 

827
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,160
BYU knows where they're at, who 
they are. 

828
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,320
And I think that they're they're
I don't think they're content to

829
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,440
just settle to be a podium team,
But I think that that's still a 

830
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,360
reachable still a reachable goal
for them for sure. 

831
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,160
All right. 
So Oklahoma State, who headed 

832
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:25,840
disaster of a day at the NCA 
championships last year and was 

833
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,840
entering that race as like, you 
know, one of the giants. 

834
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,480
This is a redemption year for 
them. 

835
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:36,000
Dave Smith has his team ranked 
second right now. 

836
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:41,760
And then looking at the results 
of do they where do they compete

837
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:44,760
this past weekend? 
Well, they they didn't they ran 

838
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,400
at Jamboree and that's the most 
recent race. 

839
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:51,680
OK, they had their Weiss 
Crockett meet, but I think that 

840
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,720
was they they raced, but it 
looked like they they tempoed 

841
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:57,240
it. 
So what do you make of this 

842
00:44:57,240 --> 00:44:58,880
squad? 
Is it because a lot of them are 

843
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,760
just back? 
Yeah, no, they're really good. 

844
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:06,800
I mean, it's it's this is this 
is classic Oklahoma State where 

845
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,360
I just don't know if anyone 
really knows who they are until 

846
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:12,840
big twelves. 
Again, I think every I think a 

847
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:14,800
lot of people show their true 
colors at their conference meet 

848
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,080
because they have to because 
their job is not jobs on the 

849
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,560
line, but like they probably 
have a bonus on the line or they

850
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,280
have an AD who's bearing down on
them. 

851
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:23,480
Like you're over budget every 
year. 

852
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:25,360
You guys better win the 
conference meet or whatever, 

853
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:26,720
right? 
I'm not specifically pointing 

854
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:28,080
out anybody. 
I'm just saying that's I got 

855
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,360
like that's kind of the 
overarching thought there. 

856
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:34,200
And so I think that we'll see a 
lot of what people really have 

857
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,080
at the conference meet, which is
just in two weeks. 

858
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,880
So the big twelves is a big time
meet, right? 

859
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,640
I mean, you got, you know, three
of the best four teams, 5-6 

860
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,440
maybe, OK, maybe three of the 
best 10 teams in the country for

861
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,520
sure. 
And Oklahoma State, BYU, Iowa 

862
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:52,040
State and that that that battle 
will be quite interesting to see

863
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:53,920
how that's approached. 
Like does Iowa State and 

864
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,680
Oklahoma State just just kind of
go, you know, head to head and 

865
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,800
just try to, you know, put every
put everything on the line and 

866
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,080
battle test their their kids for
it's the blaze or does it not 

867
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:05,040
matter? 
I remember one year at BYU. 

868
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:08,880
We we perfect scored the race of
the conference meet and we were 

869
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,400
like really feeling ourselves 
after that, right. 

870
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:16,000
And three weeks later we got 
beat by Portland at the national

871
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:19,920
meet and it's like, and I 
remember Rob Connor being like, 

872
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,400
I don't care about the 
conference meet. 

873
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:23,160
Who cares? 
So I think there's different 

874
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:24,880
paradigms. 
I I think that that's a unique 

875
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,880
situation for Rob and what he 
does at Portland. 

876
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,560
But I do think I do think for 
for Oklahoma State, we're going 

877
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,720
to see who they are at big 
twelves. 

878
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:35,720
And certainly I, I think that 
they have the firepower to be 

879
00:46:35,720 --> 00:46:39,200
the to be the national champ. 
And, and if and not just, and 

880
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:42,640
probably not just in their town 
alone, but hopefully in their 

881
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,560
and just like a fire within them
of like we need to, we need to 

882
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,200
be the team we know we can be 
right. 

883
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:52,240
And you know from, for 
everything that I know that's a 

884
00:46:52,240 --> 00:46:57,400
really, they are really loaded 
and they, they really returned 

885
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,040
just about everybody besides 
Stit, I think. 

886
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:07,320
And, and so curious to see the 
development of, of the further 

887
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:10,240
development, I guess, of Brian 
Moussao from everything I've 

888
00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:13,720
heard people believe, and I 
think so too, that he's as 

889
00:47:13,720 --> 00:47:17,200
talented as halftime Samuel. 
So when I say he's, you know, 

890
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,960
halftime, Samuel's the runaway. 
I did forget a guy. 

891
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,960
Yeah, I did. 
Brian Moussao could be that guy.

892
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,320
Yeah. 
World University Games, I think 

893
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:28,600
gold medalists in the 10K this 
summer or something like that. 

894
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,920
And and like he was a contender 
to make the Kenyan 10K squad 

895
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:35,040
too, right? 
Yeah, he's run, he's run sub 13.

896
00:47:35,720 --> 00:47:38,080
You know, I mean, that's pretty 
elite. 

897
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:41,160
One of their school that I guess
he didn't mention that will be 

898
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,520
also competing at Big twelves is
Colorado. 

899
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:45,840
Colorado. 
Sorry, Sean. 

900
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,720
Yeah, forgive me. 
Sean Carlson, now in his second 

901
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:50,800
year, you know, at the helm 
there. 

902
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,680
This team looks a little bit 
different than your typical 

903
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,400
Colorado team from the Mark 
Whitmore years and and that sort

904
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,800
of, you know, dynasty that he 
oversaw. 

905
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,680
Yeah. 
You have Dominic Serum, who 

906
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,600
transferred in from Toledo, from
Kenya. 

907
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,440
Toledo. 
Before that, Oklahoma. 

908
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:09,480
No. 
Oklahoma. 

909
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,200
Toledo, Colorado. 
Uh huh. 

910
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,480
Yeah. 
OK, so now he's like their 

911
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,520
number one guy. 
He ends up finishing 4th at at 

912
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,000
nutty Comb. 
You have Isaiah Gibbons who who 

913
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,920
had a breakout you're the last 
track season he finishes 31st 

914
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:28,720
James Overberg deemed Casey 
Lucas hog like that's that all 

915
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:32,240
those guys in the top 50. 
When you look at just sort of 

916
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:34,280
this squad, what do you think is
the ceiling for them? 

917
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,880
First off, Paul, that's not even
bringing up Colorado in the Big 

918
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:41,800
12 conversation initially 
because clearly they're a podium

919
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:45,160
contender, right? 
So there's four very, very good 

920
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,760
teams in that Big 12. 
Sean's got it right. 

921
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:52,920
He has his system, his formula, 
and when he like, I think he had

922
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:55,600
a year of like getting guys 
bought in and figuring it out 

923
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,440
and it just took him a year and 
now he's got his team like this.

924
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,160
These guys are all in and it's 
going great. 

925
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,880
And the thing about that I feel 
pretty confident too, is those 

926
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:07,920
guys are going to be ready to 
run well to NCAA meet. 

927
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,400
They do the volume I think 
necessary and then the things 

928
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:13,000
that they do and work out some 
things to be ready for for 10K. 

929
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:18,400
And you know, I think Dominic 
Serum is, I mean, obviously a 

930
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,840
stud low stick. 
And but it's not just it's not 

931
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,560
just him, right. 
I think I do like Isaiah Gibbs. 

932
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,040
I think, I think Dean Casey is 
very good. 

933
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:31,480
I think Kim Silverberg is good. 
I think you got Jake Liebert who

934
00:49:31,480 --> 00:49:34,880
is starting to come along as a 
as a freshman as well. 

935
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,680
And so certainly a team that 
needs to be looked for as, yeah,

936
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,240
this, this team has a chance to 
not only be a podium team, but 

937
00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:46,720
you know, again, on the right 
day could sneak in and, and, 

938
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:49,760
and, and get like a like a like,
not just a barely 4th, like 

939
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,040
maybe a second or a third. 
Especially just the way they ran

940
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,440
nutty calm. 
It's really impressive. 

941
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,680
Sandwich between New Mexico and 
Colorado. 

942
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:02,000
And the latest coaches rankings 
is Virginia with Finland, Anna 

943
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,320
having this team ranked #4 in 
the country. 

944
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:07,920
I mean, they're getting pretty 
good. 

945
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,800
And I think like when we talk 
about just sort of like 

946
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:13,840
development, this squad is, is 
all just sort of development 

947
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,360
over the years because it's now 
led by upperclassmen. 

948
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,400
Yeah. 
Was it Gordon Mack's workout 

949
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,280
that he had with them or he was 
like, there's no milers in cross

950
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:24,960
country, you know, only 10K guys
or whatever. 

951
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:26,920
I loved that. 
I thought that was classic Vin. 

952
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:33,520
I think Virginia is a team that 
it just, I, I mean, they, they, 

953
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:40,120
they looked good early, right? 
They, I thought they, I thought 

954
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:44,280
they ran well at what was it, 
was it Gance Creek that they ran

955
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,920
well at? 
And so I think, I think from 

956
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,680
there it was, you know, I think 
as a team, they, they were 

957
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:51,760
second behind Iowa State and 
beat Colorado. 

958
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,640
I think that's why, you know, 
they're holding the spot. 

959
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,160
They are on the podium or not 
the podium in the in the polls. 

960
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:03,840
And they didn't run Gary Martin 
this weekend at their at their 

961
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:07,080
Panorama Farms meet. 
And they also did run Will 

962
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:09,480
Anthony. 
And so I think that they, you 

963
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,880
know, they're being smart. 
I think with with how they're 

964
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:15,040
utilizing their their people. 
Again, like I said, the way that

965
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,280
they've built that program is 
actually pretty fun. 

966
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:18,640
Yeah. 
I mean, you know, I think Brett 

967
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:21,040
Gardner transferred in from 
Frenzy state, but and I think 

968
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,240
Nick Benson from from Princeton 
and Will Daly from somewhere 

969
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:28,760
else, But I think that's really 
been a cool just like collection

970
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,480
of not only just like guys that 
they've developed there, that 

971
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:33,960
we've been and Trevor number 
have developed there, but also 

972
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,800
like, you know, be making 
Virginia a place that people 

973
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:37,920
want to go to. 
Right. 

974
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,880
That's like the IT feels like 
it's the when when you're one of

975
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:43,440
the best IVD guys and and you 
need to finish your you know, 

976
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,120
your fifth year and you can't do
it there. 

977
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:47,080
It's like those guys are going 
to Virginia. 

978
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:48,600
Like it almost feels like 
they're not going. 

979
00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:50,200
They're not even thinking about 
going or else because that's 

980
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:51,960
just the place they want to go 
because they know they're going 

981
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,360
to get developed and get 
opportunities. 

982
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:56,080
I think they're a sleeper for 
sure. 

983
00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,960
They they, you know, finishing 
second against Creek, probably a

984
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,240
sleeper might not even be might 
be unfair to say. 

985
00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:04,640
I think they're maybe even just 
better than that. 

986
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,520
Maybe contender is a better word
for them. 

987
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:11,880
ACCS will be really interesting 
just to kind of see how I don't 

988
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,040
know dominant is the right word,
but I definitely think that you 

989
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,800
know they're they're how you 
know how much they beat Syracuse

990
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,440
by will be really indicative as 
well because to be another team 

991
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,160
that we haven't talked about 
who's looking very good is 

992
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,680
Syracuse. 
It would would sit out to you 

993
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,440
about Syracuse. 
Yeah, again, they're they have 

994
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,400
very good experience. 
They have seniors and juniors on

995
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,320
the team that have kind of been 
through it now and understand 

996
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:38,480
the system. 
Sam Lawler's looking just 

997
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:43,080
absolutely fantastic starting. 
Just look, they look, they look 

998
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:44,480
kind of like the Syracuse teams 
of old. 

999
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,480
You know, they do like, they've 
got really solid experience, 

1000
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:52,320
guys who, you know, and in fact,
they they ran that meet without 

1001
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,560
Connor Ackley. 
I'm not sure where he's at, but 

1002
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,960
Lawler, Harare and and Neil look
good and they've got, you know, 

1003
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:02,760
like they've got a freshman and 
Ben Gableman who looks very 

1004
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:05,400
good. 
And, you know, I think Brian 

1005
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,760
Bell's got those guys rolling. 
I think, you know, they're 

1006
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:12,640
they're a team that, you know, 
has like a legitimate chance to 

1007
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,200
a legitimate case for. 
Could they be on the podium and 

1008
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:17,960
into the blaze? 
All right, so now as we take a 

1009
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:23,200
step back and zoom out from 
outside of, you know, Nutty Comb

1010
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:29,560
and Prenats over at UVA, Rocky 
Hanson from Wake Forest won, 

1011
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:31,200
broke a course record 11 
seconds. 

1012
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:37,760
Like he's got some very, very 
good track speed, 13O75 KPB. 

1013
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:41,760
He's 19 years old. 
And I guess like, he's always 

1014
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,320
struggled with injuries, you 
know, come championship season. 

1015
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,760
And in certain cases, like, I 
think like, even he ran that 

1016
00:53:48,760 --> 00:53:50,920
fast 5K. 
But then we didn't get to see 

1017
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:55,880
him at the US Championships. 
And granted, like on the senior 

1018
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:59,600
level, like at the US 
Championships, you're up against

1019
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,880
the likes of Nico Young, Graham 
Graham Blanks, Grant, Grant 

1020
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,320
Fisher. 
But, you know, I was hoping to 

1021
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:12,560
see just sort of this American 
collegiate star fair against, 

1022
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:14,120
you know, some of these top 
professionals. 

1023
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:18,240
And so now that we're seeing him
back in action on the NCAA cross

1024
00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:20,480
country stage, like. 
He beat George. 

1025
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:27,040
Cudi in this race by 26 seconds.
Impressive is Rocky sort of like

1026
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,280
one of those top Americans to 
watch come to NCAA 

1027
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:31,920
championships? 
Oh, absolutely. 

1028
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:34,560
And and George Cree is very good
prove that last year. 

1029
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:40,880
I think I think Rocky is a top 
ten guy at Vince Dudley meet. 

1030
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:46,960
I I I want to see you know, I I 
think there's value in saying 

1031
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,120
that he's now he's now 
experienced a little bit. 

1032
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:52,280
I mean, he, you know, he, this 
is his his third year of college

1033
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,560
racing. 
And so I think from that, I 

1034
00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:59,520
think you're going to see, you 
know, a Rocky that's just a 

1035
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,680
little more experienced. 
I mean, last year he finished 

1036
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:05,400
100th of NCAA's. 
So if we're talking about who's 

1037
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,120
going to probably make the 
biggest improvement from one 

1038
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:11,560
year to the next, think you put 
Rocky in that category of guys 

1039
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:14,200
who are going to probably have 
the biggest improvement there. 

1040
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,520
And, and to be fair, I think 
that dude's a dog. 

1041
00:55:17,520 --> 00:55:21,840
He just like man, that guy, that
guy always puts himself in it 

1042
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:23,680
and I think that's maybe why he 
faded a little bit of incident 

1043
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:25,440
blaze last year, as I think 
there was just there was a 

1044
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:27,960
collective of a few guys who 
just went out too hard and and 

1045
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:31,040
died. 
But but I do think that Rocky is

1046
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,480
certainly should be in 
conversation as one of the top 

1047
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:37,080
top Americans. 
That is the blaze a top ten guy.

1048
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:42,360
Anything else that we missed or 
overlooked from Panorama farms 

1049
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,720
Princeton, the Alabama Crimson 
classic. 

1050
00:55:45,720 --> 00:55:50,280
So, you know, we haven't seen 
Doris Lemgele just quite yet in 

1051
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:53,200
action No Pamela Kosgai. 
So those are still been held 

1052
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,800
out. 
And many of the conference 

1053
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,480
championships will be taking 
place not this weekend, but next

1054
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:01,840
weekend. 
What do you sort of, was there 

1055
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:04,280
anything else we missed and what
do you have your eyes on next? 

1056
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:06,840
I think Alabama women are better
than people realize as well. 

1057
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,280
They have two new women from, 
from, from what I would believe 

1058
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:15,160
is Kenya, Cynthia Gemutai and 
Karen Kiplagat to to also factor

1059
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,600
in with Doris Lemdelay. 
And so I don't think we know 

1060
00:56:18,600 --> 00:56:21,000
quite how good they are, but I 
think that they're pretty damn 

1061
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:22,280
good. 
They did get beat pretty handily

1062
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:25,400
by Selma Abadra from South 
Carolina, who's also excellent 

1063
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:28,480
at the Kermsa Classic. 
I think that the Alabama's men 

1064
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,440
are good. 
They haven't really, I think 

1065
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:33,640
that they, you know, we, we 
don't quite know maybe how good 

1066
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:37,880
they are, but you know, I think 
that they, they certainly have 

1067
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,000
some guys up front that are 
going to mix it up to being in 

1068
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:45,000
that top ten, top 15 as well. 
The Dismas, Lokira and desk at 

1069
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:49,560
Bruto. 
You know, if we, if you look at 

1070
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:53,600
Princeton and how that went, you
know, I think the field, it's a 

1071
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,600
unique field at Princeton 
because you get all these West 

1072
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,400
Coast teams trying to go out 
there to score some some coales 

1073
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:02,240
points off of teams I think they
can beat that might, might sneak

1074
00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:03,920
in and get some points. 
I don't know if any of them any 

1075
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:05,840
of them got any. 
I think Princeton show that 

1076
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:07,440
they're pretty good. 
And I think Oklahoma is this 

1077
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,000
their best team that they've had
a lot. 

1078
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:10,800
This is the best thing they've 
passed at the Martin Smith 

1079
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,200
years. 
And and so I think, I think from

1080
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,960
that perspective, I think that's
that's really what you got out 

1081
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:18,560
of Princeton is I think, I think
Princeton is good. 

1082
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:21,640
I think Oklahoma is, you know, 
again, probably their best squad

1083
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:23,920
they've had in a long time on 
the women's side. 

1084
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:27,000
I think you see that Boise State
and Princeton are both very 

1085
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,600
solid teams as well. 
Curious to see it's kind of how 

1086
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,160
they match up and they when 
their region comes around, 

1087
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,680
because I don't think we'll see 
much from Boise State until 

1088
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:38,680
after my WI think New Mexico 
will probably handle them on the

1089
00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,200
women's side. 
Here's a fun question, I guess 

1090
00:57:41,200 --> 00:57:45,480
that that I could leave our 
listeners with, But since we're 

1091
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:47,920
at this point in the season 
with, you know, conference 

1092
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,360
championships left to go and 
then after that the big 

1093
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,080
important regionals taking 
place, who's the Cinderella team

1094
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:58,040
right now that you're just like,
hey, they're on the bubble of 

1095
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,880
making it if things go right? 
It would be huge. 

1096
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,720
For this program to make it both
on the women's side and on the 

1097
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,400
men's side, who are you, you 
know, pinning down as your 

1098
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:10,120
Cinderella teams on the men's 
side? 

1099
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:12,280
I like Georgia. 
You're going to be like, what? 

1100
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,200
Yeah. 
Because all I hear from Georgia 

1101
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,840
is just like, they've signed, 
like, the top high school 

1102
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:19,800
recruiting sprinters and 
hurdlers and all this kind of 

1103
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,680
stuff. 
But you know, is that Adam 

1104
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:22,720
Tribble? 
There, there right now. 

1105
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:27,280
Yeah, Adam Tribble at Georgia, 
he he compiled that team pretty 

1106
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,200
quickly. 
I think last year he kind of 

1107
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:32,480
went through his own like, you 
know, version of like trying to 

1108
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:34,720
figure out who they were and and
things like that. 

1109
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,920
But you know, they won Prenat's 
and they beat some teams that 

1110
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,200
were ranked. 
I think I think Ryan Olry is an 

1111
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,640
underrated talent as their as 
their as their number one guy. 

1112
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,320
And and you know, they they 
brought their will Aitken is 

1113
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,000
very good and they've he's 
developed Connor Rutherford. 

1114
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:53,600
I think he even had a kind of a 
bummer day from his his guy to 

1115
00:58:53,600 --> 00:58:56,920
transfer from Cal Baptist, 
Matias Reynaga, who I think is 

1116
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,000
better than where he finished. 
So I think I think there's a 

1117
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:01,280
Cinderella T might say on the on
the men's side. 

1118
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:04,480
I would, I would think I'd put 
Georgia in that mix as maybe 

1119
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,200
that team that could that, you 
know, at that S region could 

1120
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,080
slide in and and get a spot for 
sure. 

1121
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:13,320
And then women's side, yeah, the
women's side that that one, 

1122
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,040
it's, it's there's, there's 
always kind of a hodgepodge of 

1123
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:18,680
teams I think could fit that 
role. 

1124
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:24,840
I actually think LSU's women are
pretty good and I don't know if 

1125
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,680
there's enough talk about them. 
I think they were second at 

1126
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:32,440
Arturo Barrios and they have 
they obviously, you know, they, 

1127
00:59:32,520 --> 00:59:33,600
they have some really good low 
sticks. 

1128
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,600
Think Houston Franks is an 
excellent coach. 

1129
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:40,240
And and so I think I think LL CS
women coming out of South 

1130
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:41,960
Central. 
I think that they might actually

1131
00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,120
be the, the, the best team in 
the South Central this year. 

1132
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,480
And not only will that mean that
they will go to NCAA's, but they

1133
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,440
could sneak in and be a top 15, 
top 20 team. 

1134
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,880
Wow, that'd be big right now. 
They're not ranked. 

1135
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,400
They're in the also receiving 
votes category. 

1136
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:01,400
All right, Isaac, I know. 
Trying to watch some of these 

1137
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:05,760
cross country races can 
sometimes be difficult because, 

1138
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,600
you know, this conference is on 
this streaming platform, this 

1139
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:09,960
conference on that streaming 
platform. 

1140
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,840
But if you were to tune into 
just one, like for the listeners

1141
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:16,440
who are like I want to tune into
just one conference championship

1142
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,440
next weekend, which one should 
it be? 

1143
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,960
Yeah, big twelves. 
Yeah, yeah. 

1144
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:23,760
I mean when you have it's. 
Going to be great on both sides.

1145
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:29,360
Oklahoma State, Colorado and BYU
on the men's side and then on 

1146
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:31,480
the women's side, Iowa State's 
good this year. 

1147
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:37,520
Oklahoma State, BYU, That's West
Virginia, both West Virginia. 

1148
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:38,360
Thank you. 
Yeah. 

1149
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:42,760
I would feel confident in saying
that both races are going to be 

1150
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:44,280
really good. 
Oh, and Utah's women too. 

1151
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:45,440
Utah's women are very good as 
well. 

1152
01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:48,200
So that I think I think the Big 
12 on both sides, both genders 

1153
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,400
will be really fun to watch. 
And that's probably like, what, 

1154
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,880
on ESPN Plus or whatever. 
I think that's usually on ESPN. 

1155
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,880
Yeah. 
All right, Isaac. 

1156
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:00,280
Well, this is a great way to 
kick start our excitement over 

1157
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:06,160
the NCAA cross country season. 
You already booked your your 

1158
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,520
flight. 
You're going, you'll be on site 

1159
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:16,000
for Sidious and so super stoked 
to recap more of these big races

1160
01:01:16,000 --> 01:01:21,080
and help people follow along in 
all of the excitement around 

1161
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:25,040
cross country because it I can't
believe how deep into the season

1162
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,880
we already are and that the 
championships will be here 

1163
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,920
before we know it. 
But thanks again for always 

1164
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:35,520
sharing all of your deep 
knowledge and nerdery with 

1165
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:37,920
assiduous MAG listeners. 
Appreciate the time. 

1166
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:39,680
Excited to chat more after the 
conference meet? 

1167
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,080
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1168
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,120
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1169
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,000
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1170
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,760
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