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So you can check it out at 17 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:54,560 xendurance.com and use code SIDIOUS for 25% off. 18 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,160 Your first order. That's xendurance.com code 19 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:00,920 Sidious for 25% off. Your first order. 20 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:06,840 What's up everyone? You are listening to the CDs Mag 21 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:08,880 podcast. I'm your host Chris Chavez, and 22 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:11,240 every week we go beyond the results to bring you 23 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,200 conversations with the biggest names on the track, the roads, 24 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,040 and behind the scenes, from world class athletes and coaches 25 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,600 to innovators shaping the sport. If it's happening on the track, 26 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,520 we're covering it with real insights that sharpen minds, 27 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:27,040 deep dives into the moments that define careers and the kind of 28 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:30,040 access to the pros you won't get anywhere else. 29 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,520 So let's get into it because we love. 30 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:37,280 Track and field. My guest for today's episode is 31 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,720 Agnes and Getich, the 10K world record holder on the roads and 32 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,440 the reigning world cross country champion. 33 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,000 She's 25 years old. She grew up in rural Kenya, lost 34 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,040 her father to cancer at 10 years old, spent much of her 35 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:51,840 adolescence working on farms and carrying bags of charcoal and 36 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,360 producing alcohol to help feed her family. 37 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:58,600 She missed school to earn money. She showed up to races barefoot 38 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,800 and hungry. That was all until a coach named 39 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:06,440 Ruth Badotich saw something in her 14 years old and opened a 40 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:09,120 door that changed her life. From that point on, the 41 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,800 progression has been absolutely relentless. 42 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:16,240 She's earned junior titles in Kenya, an African Championship 43 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:20,160 silver medal, a World U20 bronze medal, and then made the slow 44 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:22,520 build toward the longer distances where she now lives. 45 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:28,000 In 2024 in Valencia, she ran 2846 for 10K on the roads, the 46 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:31,080 first woman to ever get under 29 minutes, and it's a record that 47 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:35,360 she had to earn 3 times, once because the course turned out to 48 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:40,680 be 25 meters short. Then in Lille, France, she ran 49 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,600 in atrocious weather and fell 8 seconds shy. 50 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:48,000 And then finally, in Valencia, she made it all official. 51 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,840 In January 2026, she won the World Cross Country 52 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,920 Championships in Tallahassee by 42 seconds, the second largest 53 00:02:54,920 --> 00:02:57,240 winning margin in the history of the event. 54 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,080 And then just last weekend here in New York, she came back after 55 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:04,680 getting hypothermia at the NYC half in March and ran a course 56 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,280 record of 30 minutes and 7 seconds at the Mini 10K. 57 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:13,560 She blasted that final mile in 447, made Central Park look 58 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,800 pancake flat, and pulled away from Helen O'berry before the 59 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:22,400 race was even a kilometer in. In this conversation that we 60 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,680 recorded while she was in town, we get into her childhood, the 61 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:28,680 coach that changed her life, what it took to finally get the 62 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,840 world record, and what the world cross country title means. 63 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,000 Plus, we also get her thoughts on what she thinks of the 64 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,200 marathon and so much more. So without further ado, here is 65 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:51,360 Agnes and Getich. All right, Agnes, welcome to New 66 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:55,000 York City. OK, you're racing the Mini 10K. 67 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:56,480 Are you excited? What do you what do you like 68 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,280 about New York? Is your second time racing here? 69 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:03,160 Yeah, it's my second time, but yeah, in New York City it's it 70 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:08,440 was my first time when I was coming for half marathon and I'm 71 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:13,720 so excited to race again for the second time tomorrow in mini 10K 72 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:17,240 with strong ladies period and the team. 73 00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:21,519 So I'm so excited. What makes New York so different 74 00:04:21,519 --> 00:04:25,040 than where you come from in, in E10 or in in in Kenya? 75 00:04:25,280 --> 00:04:29,800 I'm sure all of this is a lot. I mean, I can't imagine. 76 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,920 I'm from a village called Kinnamgate to to New York City, 77 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:39,480 so it's a privilege to be here and placed. 78 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,160 So yeah. Paint the picture for me of 79 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:43,600 your, your village, where you come from. 80 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,680 Like, how small is it? How many people? 81 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:48,160 A lot of runners, I said. I I I presume. 82 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,160 No, my village is a small village called Kinnamgate 83 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:57,560 Village, as I said. And in where Tabare Center in 84 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:03,080 Kyo South and I could say no runners there, they do. 85 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,480 A lot of people are doing alcohol. 86 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,080 I could say though, because I grew in the village, they were 87 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,360 making alcohol. I did make it when I was young, 88 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:18,800 so no runners in the village. So when did you, I want to hear 89 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,200 so much about your, your back story and then we'll obviously 90 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,280 talk about like your, your running achievements. 91 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:25,960 But when you were growing up around that, I guess, how did 92 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,720 that I guess like form your your childhood? 93 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:38,000 I grew in a difficult childhood. My dad passed away in two, 2014. 94 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,280 I'm the second born, first in the family of eight and it was 95 00:05:42,280 --> 00:05:49,680 difficult for us after my dad passed away and my mom could not 96 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:56,320 manage to provide for us as in in because she was a farmer and 97 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:01,360 she didn't have any job so it was difficult for her to do the 98 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:06,800 job. After 2014 I drop out in school 99 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:13,640 to help my mom so I was making alcohol, selling, doing 100 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,920 charcoals and going to help neighborhood at least to get 101 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,560 something at the table. My mom was not in a good 102 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:30,880 position to see us growing on that boy childhood in 2014, 2015 103 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:37,240 still difficult moments and I remember I was I did a mistake 104 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,560 at home and my mom was chasing me. 105 00:06:39,840 --> 00:06:43,000 So it was she was like, you know, you can run. 106 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,600 She was chasing me and she was like, you can run. 107 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:52,120 Can you help me to to recover my talent? 108 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:57,400 Because she was running when she was a student and young at the 109 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:01,760 past age of her so and she didn't get any support. 110 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:10,000 But at when at the age of 70s and stars they could not find 111 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:16,000 and support. She ran national, national games 112 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,880 and she was pregnant of me. Yeah. 113 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,160 So she was like, you know, I gave birth of you. 114 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,320 So I think you can run and help me with this journey. 115 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:34,600 SO2018I, when I was running in primary school, I was in grade 116 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:41,480 8, it was it was on primary games and we went to regional. 117 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,520 We start from this local to regionals. 118 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,920 So I went to Kamosur where we were doing regionals and then 119 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:54,360 because we didn't have anything at home to eat and stuffs, we 120 00:07:54,360 --> 00:08:00,320 were rejected by the families, relatives, neighbors. 121 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,360 I mean everyone could not associate with us because we 122 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:11,040 were poor. And this one day came and our I 123 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,480 was running a primary school games in regionals. 124 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:19,360 So I just wake up in the morning with my sister, big sister and 125 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:23,960 travel to Kamosura. I mean, it's 14 kilometers, but 126 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:27,720 we walk that distance to the games. 127 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:32,799 So we arrived there and my game came last. 128 00:08:32,799 --> 00:08:37,760 It was 5000 meters and we were running at 2:00 PM. 129 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,760 And remember, I did not take it take anything in the morning. 130 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:47,440 We just slept at night, just with the milk and only that one. 131 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:54,200 So to I ran and I collapsed because I could not see. 132 00:08:54,200 --> 00:09:00,160 I was hungry. And this Good Samaritan came and 133 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:05,400 she's called Ruth Punda Teach. She's a teacher in Camosur and 134 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:10,040 she's also a coach in a junior athletics camp. 135 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:17,000 Camosur and she rescued me. I remember when I wake up, I was 136 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,080 crying, I want my number because I was leading at that time but 137 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,600 we were going for finishing but I collapsed before the finish 138 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,480 line. I wake up and I was like I want 139 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,120 my number, I want to be a position one. 140 00:09:30,560 --> 00:09:33,560 And she was telling me you did not finish but we will take you 141 00:09:33,560 --> 00:09:39,000 to the nationals, don't worry. And then she asked who is this 142 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,960 child for? My uncle was there. 143 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:43,640 And then she was like, we don't know. 144 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:48,240 She's just a poor girl coming in a village, we don't know where 145 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,960 she's coming. Everyone was rejecting me and 146 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:57,120 running away. Ruth Pondatich took me to the 147 00:09:57,120 --> 00:10:01,280 house and then she asked me where is your mum? 148 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:05,000 And then I had to tell, tell her the all the information. 149 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:11,600 And then she contacted mum. Mom was difficult because Madam 150 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,280 was wanted to take me from the village to the camp. 151 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,240 We're in Camusoor now. And then it was difficult for 152 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,320 mom to accept. You know, I was the only hope. 153 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:26,600 I was the one who was helping her on this task. 154 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:31,600 She was drinking a lot, you know, because life was hard for 155 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,520 for her. She didn't want to hear the how 156 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:39,000 people are saying in the village because she was poor and she has 157 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,680 eight children's she cannot provide. 158 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:47,240 So she was drinking a lot because she didn't want to hear 159 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:53,720 what people was saying. So it was a hard time for her to 160 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:59,320 accept me to move to Kamasur because I was doing these things 161 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:03,680 to help her. But Madam called her, she talked 162 00:11:03,680 --> 00:11:09,320 to her and then she accept. Madame Rood introduced me to 163 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:17,640 Adidas group, Adidas company where the foreigner keep help me 164 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:23,320 to support my family. So from when Adidas came now to 165 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:28,560 my life, everything changed. It's so inspiring to hear so 166 00:11:28,560 --> 00:11:32,720 much of this back story for you. Do you think about that when 167 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,640 you're training and when you're racing, when things get really 168 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,560 hard? Most of the time, I always think 169 00:11:38,560 --> 00:11:42,840 of it when I'm in starting line. I remember one day my mom was 170 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:47,840 crying at a fireplace. We didn't have anything to eat, 171 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,000 which was just looking at each other in the morning. 172 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:56,200 We didn't have anything to eat. And then mom was crying, and I 173 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,440 remember this word. And she remember Wells. 174 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:02,680 I told, I told mom, don't worry, Mom. 175 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:08,680 One day you will live like people in the village, like rich 176 00:12:08,680 --> 00:12:10,200 people. Yeah. 177 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:15,800 Yeah. When sorry, it's OK, yeah. 178 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,880 Yeah. What do you remember about, you 179 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:22,040 know, after you go to the camp and you go sign up for your 180 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:25,880 first race, like after that, like that's sort of when you 181 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:30,160 start to, you know, really test yourself against competition and 182 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,560 you have this opportunity to to provide for your family. 183 00:12:32,560 --> 00:12:33,600 What? What do you remember about the 184 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,160 first race? Sorry, can you repeat? 185 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,320 That question, yeah. What do you remember about the 186 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,600 the first race after you signed with the Adidas and now you have 187 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,920 an opportunity to go race for prize money and and all that 188 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,280 stuff that you want to give to your family when you go back? 189 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:54,120 I could feel I was blessed. I was, it's the only hope for 190 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,880 the family for for them now to study, for them to eat. 191 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:04,200 It's all about me. So I'm like the father of them, 192 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:08,520 so they're so happy. So then take me into, you know, 193 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,280 you talked about that first race where you collapsed. 194 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,680 Now when people watch you race, you're the one who's making it 195 00:13:15,680 --> 00:13:17,560 hard for everybody when you go to the front. 196 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:21,640 Did you develop that style of racing from a young age where 197 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,720 you go to the front and you press from the front? 198 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:29,880 Yeah, I always think of young me, so I always run like a young 199 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,640 Agnes at the past. What do you like about that 200 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,760 style? I mean, it's just something I 201 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:41,000 grew up with and I used to. In training, are you like that 202 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:45,200 too? Yeah, I, I mean in training, 203 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:50,680 many things I could remember about the past life I came 204 00:13:50,680 --> 00:13:55,480 through, how my mum was treated by the family relative and 205 00:13:55,480 --> 00:14:00,880 neighbors. So I always keep saying I want 206 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,240 to do this for my mum and my siblings. 207 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:09,200 So I always share myself with those words and the past life I 208 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:11,760 came through. You started to have success when 209 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,480 you were young as well, after you joined the camp and you 210 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,840 started to represent Kenya with, you know, the junior teams and 211 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:22,120 the UU 20 U18 teams. I, I always love hearing these 212 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,520 stories from, you know, Kenyan athletes or Ethiopian athletes 213 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,200 the first time you got on an airplane. 214 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,760 What do you remember about that? I mean, I was so innocent, you 215 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:36,400 know, I could. I was so innocent and I was this 216 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,760 lady who was not even talking. I was just quite old. 217 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:44,400 I am but because of the live I am true. 218 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,400 I think so and the childhood I crood. 219 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:52,320 But in my mind I was like one day I want to help my mum and 220 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:54,560 this is coming so I could see it coming. 221 00:14:54,560 --> 00:15:00,040 So I was focusing and yeah, I was just keep on pressing, 222 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,840 pressing, pressing and being patient of it. 223 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,920 I know it. It took years for me to reach 224 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,200 there. But discipline and forecast and 225 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,840 what I want and what I wanted to do to my mom and my family. 226 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:18,120 What was the first time you got to stand on a podium 227 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:25,280 representing Kenya? I remember all of 2019-2020, I 228 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,560 was always in position for position for position for. 229 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,360 I could not even reach one position. 230 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:31,920 Three. I was just smelling, you know. 231 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,040 But I didn't give up. I always keep going. 232 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:41,640 Yeah, yeah. Until now when I ran the world 233 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:46,120 record. That's 202846. 234 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:51,440 That's my first, I think, podium and great performance. 235 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:53,800 When did you start? To think about records. 236 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,600 Because you you have these results, you're finishing fourth 237 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,640 and and, but then at some point now you start to see the times 238 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,120 and they're getting faster and faster. 239 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:04,800 And then a world record means no one's ever run faster. 240 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,240 Yeah, but you know Walter got out there to be broken, but for 241 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:15,000 this 28 foot 6th to come, I think I I tried three times 242 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:21,560 because I miss it in Prasov and also in Lille I could say, and 243 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:27,760 then now finally in Valencia, but I could not say I was there 244 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,720 yet because I wanted more. How important is is your faith 245 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:35,080 in in, in, in that belief that you have in yourself? 246 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,200 I always believe on myself. Most. 247 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,240 I believe myself. I'm talented, I'm blessed, I'm 248 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:46,440 chosen. So I always just keep on on with 249 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,560 that spirit and with the support of the management. 250 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:53,160 Yeah, and the family. When you got to, I think like 251 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:56,280 you said, it was a brass of and and Valencia and those races 252 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,800 like that's when you now the whole world starts to pay 253 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:00,880 attention. When you run that fast, did you 254 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:01,840 start? To feel that like. 255 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,400 More, more people are knowing who I am. 256 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:09,960 Yeah, I mean, after running a world record in in Valencia 257 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:16,920 2846, now I my profile came, came out and that's where I was 258 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,119 known. No woman before that had run 259 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,960 under 29 minutes. When did you realize like, wow, 260 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:29,880 this is, this is historic. In Lille, because in Lille I 261 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:34,080 miss it also. And then I remember when I was 262 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:39,560 in Nine K in Valencia and I hear the sound of that for Twiga. 263 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:43,480 Twiga, you can't get it. So at that time now I realize, 264 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:48,760 oh, I can run 28 because he was shouting it's 28, go, go, go. 265 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:54,080 So that's the time I I realize I'm, I'm on this. 266 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,480 Yeah. How hard do you have to push and 267 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:00,560 where does it come from when you when in the last kilometer, like 268 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:02,360 where, where are you drawing that strength? 269 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:08,680 And the last kilometre and the in start line, it's just same 270 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,400 for me. I'm bringing the past of me and 271 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:14,720 how I had my mum and see my mum crying. 272 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:20,800 So I always fight for this and I can't lose it until I see it's 273 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:23,840 going, yeah. So I always fight and fight and 274 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:28,720 fight until the end. Out with the old and in with the 275 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,920 new. 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When you've now collected so 331 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,760 many victories and you know prize money at races, you've 332 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,320 gotten the opportunity to give back. 333 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,440 So what is home look like now? Like what? 334 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,320 What have you done to help your family? 335 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:13,400 Now take an it my siblings. The young siblings can study, my 336 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:18,840 mom can smile. My mom can even stand in the 337 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:26,320 middle of people and talk because now she's someone my 338 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,040 young sisters and Big Brothers, they can now speak. 339 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:38,320 They can have someone who they can say we have a dad, a sister 340 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,360 and a supportive parent. Yeah. 341 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,080 Do any of them want to also run like the younger ones? 342 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:51,200 Younger one could run but she fall down on a tree so he 343 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:56,840 cracked. He had an injury, pawn injury. 344 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:01,760 So now it's she's just studying, but all of them are studying. 345 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:06,000 And I tried to ask one to run and they were like, no, no, no, 346 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,080 you just run. You can study. 347 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:11,800 So yeah. You had to leave school like at 348 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,200 such a young age? Like did you ever think, OK, 349 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:18,440 maybe you know, I want to go back or or for you right now, is 350 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,280 it all running? You know, I left school when I 351 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,360 was young. That's when I was in Grade 4. 352 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:29,600 But then after one year I went back to grade 5. 353 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:34,280 So after my dad passed, so there was a problem with school fees 354 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,960 and stuff so I dropped out of school and then again went back. 355 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,280 Yeah. So I was going to, I was making 356 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:46,840 alcohol at night and sell maybe during the day or I I leave to 357 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:48,520 mum to sell and then went to school. 358 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,320 So I could go to school only on Monday and Friday because they 359 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,120 were putting flags on Monday and Friday. 360 00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:02,680 So for 2014 and 2015, by 2016 and I went back and finished my 361 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,560 studies on primary school and then now when I train to Madame 362 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,200 Place now I finish my high school study. 363 00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:12,960 Yeah. What do you think Madame saw 364 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,840 when you know, she you didn't you collapse in that race, but 365 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,480 she still looked at you and saw talent. 366 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,440 OR I mean, she she saw the future. 367 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:23,960 What? How do you think she saw it? 368 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:32,480 Madame Ruth saw a future on me. I mean, Madame is someone who is 369 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:35,720 she can, she can see the future of you. 370 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:40,520 She can see she she can identify a young talent. 371 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:46,320 Because I don't know how she managed to do this, but I'm so 372 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,760 grateful for for her because if it was not her, I could not be 373 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,040 here. Yeah. 374 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:57,720 It's funny that we're talking in in 2026 where everyone's got the 375 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,360 best super shoes, right? Big shoes that help you run 376 00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:03,640 faster. But I think back your first 377 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,480 couple races, no shoes. Yeah, I was running with no 378 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,600 shoes. It was just a pair of foot and a 379 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,760 Rav round skirt. Wow. 380 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,760 In primary schools, Yeah. Who gave you your first pair of 381 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:15,880 shoes? Adidas. 382 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,000 And what? And then after that it changed 383 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,040 everything. It changed everything, yeah. 384 00:25:20,360 --> 00:25:24,080 Even the did you have to a long commute to school when you were 385 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,080 going or like was school closer for you? 386 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,640 Because I hear stories of how far it. 387 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,480 Is no, no, no. My school was 2 kilometers away, 388 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,440 so we were. It's funny because we were going 389 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:38,520 in the morning 2 kilometers and then lunchtime 2 kilometers and 390 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:42,200 then back again 2 kilometers and then at evening 2 kilometers. 391 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:45,080 So you were unintentionally training? 392 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,720 Yeah, I was just training all the time and now barefooted, you 393 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,800 know, it's 2 kilometers away and you know, we were going back to 394 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,880 lunch but it nothing was there. We were just going there and 395 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,400 then come back just like that. When I went, I went to Kenya in 396 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:05,120 2023 and I remember, you know, being in a bus and it was early 397 00:26:05,120 --> 00:26:07,800 in the morning, 'cause we were gonna go see, you know, Kipchoge 398 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,760 do a long run. And when we're passing on the 399 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:13,240 bus on the side of the road, there's all these little kids in 400 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,200 their uniforms going to school. And it's like those that that's 401 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,880 people like you. Yeah. 402 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,680 Do you have those moments when when you're at home and you look 403 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,120 and see, it's like, well, that could be the next kid? 404 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:30,920 Yeah, in the village, but not more now in our village. 405 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,040 So then take me to now, this level that you're at, you're one 406 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,080 of the best in the world. The training must be so 407 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,880 different than and, and, and so technical and structured. 408 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,680 What is it about your job now that is, you know, intense or 409 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,560 different than than what you pictured as a little girl? 410 00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:54,640 I still have more to do in future. 411 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,680 I still want to to add on my profile. 412 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,800 I'm not there yet. I mean I have a probably yes, 413 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,280 but I'm not there yet. I just need. 414 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,120 I just still want to add more and more. 415 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,520 I, I remember, so you had all the success first on the roads 416 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,640 and then on the track and I in the first year that I guess like 417 00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,560 you were on the track like it wasn't, it wasn't the same as 418 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,840 what we saw on the roads. How long did it take you to 419 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:24,560 learn the track? A little bit. 420 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,880 You know, I was someone who didn't laugh track. 421 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:32,560 I didn't laugh track, track and something called gym. 422 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,280 That's that's something I didn't want. 423 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:43,080 But you know, coach and Daffo are like, no, no, no, you need 424 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:44,480 to do this. You need to do this. 425 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:51,200 But track I didn't laugh. But when I did Grand Slam track, 426 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:56,400 I was like, here, I can do this. I don't know why I hate it, but 427 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:03,520 I came to love track and track helped me more to get speed. 428 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:09,480 And so when I love roads, yes. But you know what, you when you 429 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,200 are running in road, at least you you need to have speed. 430 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:19,640 So I had to win to go back and love track and make it my 431 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:20,680 favorite. Yeah. 432 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,400 Because 2024 the Olympics happened. 433 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,200 But for you, was that a big goal or or not? 434 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,640 Not as much because then 2025 is where you find the success on 435 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,560 the track. You know, and Olympics, I miss 436 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:41,200 Olympic because of an injury and it was so painful for me and it 437 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,160 was a trauma for me. I didn't heal until, I don't 438 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,480 know, I had to accept it for a while. 439 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,400 I had hopes about Olympics, but you know, injury is something 440 00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:02,440 else. But I I bounced back and came to 441 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,080 Tokyo. I had hopes also in the Tokyo, 442 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,240 but I could say it was my mistake in Tokyo. 443 00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:14,920 I didn't perform well in Tokyo the way I wanted, but I'm still 444 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:18,480 on it. The 5K last year in Eugene, that 445 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,560 was a crazy race. What do you remember about that 446 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,560 one and what did you like that you did in that race? 447 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,960 In Eugene, I didn't expect to run 1401. 448 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,760 You know, when we were, when I was, I remember when I was 449 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:37,560 living at a camp, I told coach if I run even 141410 or 1412, 450 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:43,080 I'll be so grateful. But I was so surprised to run 451 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:49,360 1401 and I was like, I could do under 14 if I hate that. 452 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:56,800 I don't know what mistake I did, but I just realized I could run 453 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,440 under 13. But I didn't expect the results 454 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:04,160 of 14/01. It was my impressive results and 455 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:08,800 I was so happy to have that 1401 because it's something I wanted 456 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:14,320 like 14-10. But 1401, I was so happy. 457 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:16,960 What is? Special about this time for 458 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,040 Kenyan athletics in the women's distance. 459 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,080 Last year at the World Championships, you know, so many 460 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,960 gold medals from 800 all the way to the marathon. 461 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,000 But even in your events in the 5000 and the 10,000, like it's 462 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,160 you, it's Beatriz, it's faith, like this is maybe the best time 463 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,400 ever in history for the women's athletics in Kenya. 464 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,600 Yeah, I mean, it was. So it was a impressive year for 465 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:47,720 Kenya to collect those medals. I mean in 5015 hundred 10,000 466 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:54,520 and also 800, I mean that was the best year for Kenya to 467 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,920 achieve those medals. And then in cross country? 468 00:30:58,160 --> 00:30:59,960 You. Dominated. 469 00:30:59,960 --> 00:31:03,880 I was there in in Tallahassee, and I just was so, so impressed 470 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,720 because it's it was a strong field. 471 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,880 It was hot. The course was a little funny. 472 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,840 Yeah. But you, you dominated the 473 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:12,800 field, I guess. Like what? 474 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,840 What, What impressed you about that race? 475 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,360 You know, cross country is something I grew with. 476 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,400 I loved running cross country since I was young. 477 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:26,880 So I was, I was this close to medals. 478 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,760 Every now and then when we went to bulk rate, I miss it. 479 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,400 I was positioned for, I always miss podium. 480 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:37,160 So I was hungry for this medal in cross country because it's 481 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,760 something, it was a favorite game for me since I was young. 482 00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:46,280 So I had to go for this one. So I was hungry for the medal 483 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:50,440 and then I went for it. Yeah, the course was not easy 484 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:56,160 use as you guys saw it was not easy champing with these 485 00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,080 crocodile styles. I mean these hoods was so big, 486 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,080 you start with a small one and you end with a big. 487 00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:09,680 So it was so crazy because and, but yeah, then finally I came 488 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:13,080 with. What does cross country do for 489 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,240 the rest of your season? Because then you ran New York 490 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,200 City half. Now you got the mini 10K, maybe 491 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,480 a little bit of time on the track and then, you know, still 492 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,600 on the roads you can do you can do it all. 493 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,080 What's good about, you know, cross country starting the year 494 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:29,000 for you? I always like cross country 495 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,920 because it's a build up. Cross country is so challenging. 496 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,720 It's a game which you have to calculate. 497 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:43,320 It's something you need more strength, champion, going to the 498 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:48,280 mud and this stuff. It's a tactical game and it's a 499 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,200 build up game, so I really love cross country. 500 00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:55,800 And then everyone when they see your times right in the half 501 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,960 marathon, in the 10K, they're they think she's going to be 502 00:32:59,960 --> 00:33:01,680 really good in the marathon someday. 503 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,640 What do you think about the marathon? 504 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,760 It's still on my dreams, but I hope for the best in the 505 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,960 marathon. Does it feel scary? 506 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,760 It's a long event, you know, and for me, I I have been running 507 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,240 these fast games, like 10 kilometers. 508 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,920 You just go with full speed from the start to you. 509 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,880 And but you know, a marathon is something you have to enjoy. 510 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,640 You have to go with a redeem. I mean, it's a long, it's a long 511 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,320 journey. So yeah. 512 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,680 But I'll get you to. But when you see other women 513 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:44,080 running 210, two, 11213, what does that say to you when you 514 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,200 look at sort of the half marathon or the 10K results and 515 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,000 you're like, those are the same people I'm racing. 516 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:55,360 I saw, I saw this lady who ran 210 Ethiopian lady and I 517 00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:01,480 remember we we come beat with with her in Valencia when I was 518 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:06,000 debuting. She was positioned to of me and 519 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:09,840 then also the second time in Valencia she was there with me. 520 00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:15,080 So I was so surprised. She ran 210 and I was like I'm 521 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:16,040 coming. I don't know. 522 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,920 I don't know when, but I'm coming. 523 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,719 Does that make you think like 210 could be possible? 524 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,520 Everything is so possible because if you see the lady run 525 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,920 210 and it was a debut, everything is possible. 526 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:33,960 Kechelja debuted with under 210 and I was like wow, wow, 527 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,400 everything is possible. Yeah, what did you think when 528 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,679 when you see those sub two, those record setting times right 529 00:34:40,679 --> 00:34:44,679 now everyone's so fast. I mean, everyone now is running 530 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:49,040 so fast, and I mean, I'm so happy and it's a good time. 531 00:34:49,199 --> 00:34:50,800 It's a good time, you know? Yeah. 532 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,840 So Agnes, before we wrap up, I heard from your agent. 533 00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,880 You love to sing gospel music. You share it I think on on 534 00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:03,400 TikTok too. You know, in, in, in When I was 535 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,560 young, I was in church choir. Yeah. 536 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:12,640 So as the leader in in my church, even when I go home now, 537 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,440 I always go and lead the church. Oh wow, yeah. 538 00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:21,480 Can you sing a little bit for? Us yeah, I have this song which 539 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:25,560 I love since I was young and why I love this song. 540 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:31,200 I I always had my mom singing this song when when she was 541 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,640 crying when when we were young and then I came and laughed the 542 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,560 song because of my mom and it's a Kalenjin song. 543 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:43,400 OK, Yeah. How's it go? 544 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:44,640 OK. Yeah. 545 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:51,720 It's called like this. That's beautiful. 546 00:35:54,640 --> 00:36:07,160 Thank you. What's it? 547 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,560 Mean. It is peace where God is there. 548 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,520 Well, Agnes, that is the perfect way I think to wrap up because 549 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,040 you know, you've shared so much of your story and and I think so 550 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:29,520 many people, they see you run so fast, but they don't know just 551 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,080 sort of what drives you and motivates you and what is, you 552 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,720 know, powered used for such a long time. 553 00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:37,480 And so it's an honor to help share that story with with 554 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,400 people and wishing you all the best in in your upcoming races. 555 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,000 Thank you so much. All right, that's a wrap on 556 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,280 today's episode. Thanks for listening, for the 557 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,240 time, the curiosity, and for making this show part of your 558 00:36:50,240 --> 00:36:53,360 routine or your run. 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