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It is July 20th. 
I'm Chris Chavez. 

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I'm pretty much here. 
And this week in track and 

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field, we're still riding the 
high from Josh Kerr's 34266 mile

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world record. 
We got on the Mikes immediately 

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following the meet to do an 
emergency podcast. 

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So if you're looking for our 
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of that race, you can check that
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produced. 
But it's time now that we hear 

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from the man who was in the 
building, Preet, what are your 

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reflections on just let's start 
with just that performance and 

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that race. 
What was it like being in the 

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stadium? 
I know it's many times like you,

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you have to spend a lot of time 
in the mix zone, but did you 

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manage to go out to see it or 
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Like take us, take us in your 
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Yeah, I mean, I, I think if 
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to any big stadium, right, it 
takes a long time getting in and

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out around the stadium. 
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stadium for that reason. 
It's just a bit of a pain to, to

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find your way around. 
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Saturday was to find a way to 
what was the most efficient 

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route to get from the mix, zone 
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the race and then get back down 
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It's about 8 flights of stairs. 
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well, thankfully there was a 
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lift up as soon as, you know, 
with about 10 minutes before the

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race, just to make sure I had 
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somewhere to sit. 
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I'm regretting my choices spot 
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one of those accessible seats 
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So it wasn't like with in the 
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So when I was watching the race,
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atmosphere because I didn't 
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I didn't have actually, I had 
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So it was a little bit, I maybe 
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spot, but it was, you know, it 
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I think Kyle said he saw a video
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immensely loud in that stadium. 
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And I think that's one of the 
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of the wave lights, right, 
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wave lights right, other than 
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announces Jeff Whiteman there. 
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But at the same time, like you 
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splits. 
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the in the crowd aren't really 
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don't have the wave lights, you 
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And I think this is where from 
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incredible to watch because you 
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The kind of the paces, where the
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maybe, you know, a couple of 
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pace that kind of dropped out. 
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catch up to the front of the 
lights and then hold it and then

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keep on going. 
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building. 
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watch. 
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that length, like 4 minutes is 
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that level of tension to hold. 
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a 5000 meter race or 10,000 
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It has to drop, right, because 
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can't. 
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know, 4 minutes is long enough 
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hold. 
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there with him until what's the 
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And then Josh just kind of pulls
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accelerated very slightly, yared
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little bit. 
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dramatic. 
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races when people started 
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And so, yeah, it was it was it 
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I must admit I didn't get to 
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realized as soon as it finished,
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30 seconds and I was like, I 
better Sprint down to the mix 

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zone, get down these eight 
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and as it, as it turned out, 
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Americans, they came through 
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And so I ended up getting Yaron 
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Prakel all together. 
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with three of them together. 
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of Sprint down for mix zone. 
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didn't get as much time as I 
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moment, but you know, the 
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And I think the other part of it
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race, right, because Friday 
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there was a press conference. 
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speak to a little bit to Danny 
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I didn't interview him, but I 
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it was really interesting right 
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The the vibe was they were, you 
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had come, I think, because the 
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much. 
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wasn't like wildly key that Josh
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early, right. 
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also the like the pacing, right,
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They were, they were slightly 
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Is it going to be strong enough?
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Kendra, I think they were 
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seven 5800 meters. 
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they had a third pacer lined up.
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there was a little bit of stuff 
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workout dropped, obviously on 
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And then obviously our group 
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I don't really know what what 
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kind of trusted what what you, 
you and Carl and Matt were 

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saying that like this kind of 
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And that's maybe when I started 
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the workout dropped on the next 
table with Dathan Ritzenheim, 

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Yaron the Goose and Robert 
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And I was like, should I tell 
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That was quite fun. 
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And that's that's the other 
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that vibe. 
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there are so many restaurants 
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The hotel and and everything is 
right in the vicinity of the 

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stadium and there's just a whole
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And we were literally in the 
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to the hotel. 
So there were loads of people in

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there. 
Trevor Painter was in there as 

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well. 
Paula Radcliffe was in there 

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like, yeah, so it was kind of a 
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restaurant and like you get the 
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That's the other thing I love 
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but I think it built. 
It built because, yeah, that 

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workout dropped. 
I think that helped. 

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I don't know how far that kind 
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outside of our kind of 
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for us, obviously it made it a 
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And I think, yeah, when it got 
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race, like you could see it, you
know, people were waiting for it

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and, and, and it kind of 
delivered and yeah, absolutely 

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loved it. 
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know, people afterwards as well,
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You could, I think that, you 
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where Josh was talking to Hannah
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And I think, you know, if you 
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interviews after the race, 
there's loads of them out there 

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now. 
He's been doing the media rounds

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today and yesterday and, and 
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And, you know, there's loads of 
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now, but, you know, and he says 
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about his team and, and, and all
of that, how all the pieces came

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together. 
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probably the only moment he's 
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moment in the mix zone where he 
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toll of this whole thing been on
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Like what has been the mental 
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Because I think that is the 
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He had his first beer since he 
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Saturday night, right? 
He has not had a beer in six 

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months. 
And for a Scotsman, that is 

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really, really tough, right? 
I tell you how hard that that 

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that's like possibly the the 
worst punishment you could 

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possibly imagine, you know? 
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And I think, and I think it's 
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And as Tim Hutchings said on the
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and he delivered, absolutely 
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Yeah, no, it's been one of those
races that like your whole, like

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I think my whole the rest of my 
Saturday, I was just sitting on 

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my computer for a lot of that 
afternoon clipping parts of the 

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podcast 'cause, you know, it was
such a fun discussion and then 

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texting friends and all that 
kind of stuff about, you know, 

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what, it just gone down. 
And then you do start to see the

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ripple effects like of it really
breaking through into the 

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mainstream sports like 
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Yes, the World Cup is is 
happening, but there are so many

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tweets that I've seen out there 
of someone repurposing some part

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of the race video and, you know,
sharing how mind blowing the 

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performance is. 
Like there are NFL players, NBA 

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players tweeting that clip out. 
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The broadcast itself, I guess 
the, the camera shots that they 

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got of him in the final 100 
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It's not like he's, you know, 
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and, you know, immediately 
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And it's like this ugly world 
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He crossed that finish line and 
was absolutely pumped, jumping 

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up and down screaming. 
And it just was, yeah, just 

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still really, really cool to 
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I've watched back, you know, so 
many of those clips multiple 

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times all throughout the 
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And then it's also been fun the 
conversations that have spurred 

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afterwards. 
Like we post some of those clips

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discussing, you know, the 
greatest of all time 

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conversation, and then the 
comment section gets going 

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there. 
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on the mic here, Josh has his 
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the, and he has kind of already 
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that's missing from his legacy. 
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everything that he said so far. 
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like that at one point. 
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Cash is the least sexy thing to 
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from our agreement should 
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How can they find it? 
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You set it right there. 
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I'll be proactively reaching out
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It's not, again, the fanciest 
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Maybe check your DMS if you're 
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outdoors. 
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support@banditrunning.com is the
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now. 
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we're. 
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kind of look back at all the 
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overshadowed at, at this meet. 
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was Keely Hodgkinson reasserting
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time that she wasn't, you know, 
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due to I think she just had like
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This win wouldn't have been as 
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like you, I think kind of 
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race, then Georgia also is is in
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who still looked like she had 
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wasn't ready to, you know, kind 
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screaming at the TV, like just 
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like, because she's not pumping 
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Form when it comes to running 
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another 15646 for for 2nd place.
Beats Siga Deguma, and yeah, it 

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was so this one just ended up 
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back. 
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was they were happy with, with, 
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like Keely, the fool that 
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know, they told us a bit more 
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now, which is that there was a 
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conference, but. 
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Metal great on the ground, Which
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something that's easy to, to, 
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right? 
It makes you feel uncomfortable.

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You need to recover this pain. 
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there's swelling, there's all 
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trying to perform at your very 
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best, that that's very difficult
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She got the job done here. 
She won the race, which was, 

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which was the most important 
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Maloney, I assume having a 
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She was presumably hired at the 
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know, she was what, 56557, you 
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rather than they were expecting 
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Yeah, they were expecting to go 
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So I think that was maybe, you 
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55, maybe it would have been a 
155 race. 

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But I think the other thing to 
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the pre classic was Keely's 50th
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And like no one is even vaguely 
close to that in terms of 

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consistency. 
So she continues to deliver that

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consistency. 
But Femker is getting better and

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better, right? 
Femker is really getting better 

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and better. 
And yeah, there is there is a 

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question there of because I 
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interviews and stuff is she's 
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Like she's scared of that, you 
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going to going to feel like in 
that last 200. 

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And that's that's what she's 
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to be more confident in in those
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confidence. 
We can see that. 

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But yeah, as you say, I don't 
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looks that she's not going all 
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something more there that she 
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you know, I don't know. 
It's hard to tell, right? 

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But that'll be fascinating to 
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And as I say, Europeans might be
the time that she tries to. 

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Throw it all through all of the 
wall, right? 

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So that that could be very 
exciting. 

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But yeah, I mean, there was a 
fantastic actually interview. 

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The BBC had Keely and Josh 
together being interviewed. 

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And it was it was, it was 
actually quite fun because 

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obviously Josh praised Keely for
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to perform. 
And Keely basically called Josh 

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completely crazy for like having
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months, not racing at all. 
And yeah, that, that was pretty 

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fun. 
But I think it was nice to have 

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those those two stars there to 
close out the meet. 

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And yeah, yes, we're. 
All hoping for a bit more. 

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Had things been going to plan? 
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crowd the win, which is what 
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If, if someone were to ask you, 
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all right, the resume stops 
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Keely's career or Josh's career 
right now? 

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Like this is this is it. 
Like everything they've amassed 

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up until this point is what you?
Get Keely's got the Olympic 

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gold, right. 
Keely has the Olympic gold and I

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think, and I think you will, if 
you have the Olympic gold, you 

447
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,880
will always have. 
So you know, Dame Kelly Holmes, 

448
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:11,880
who won the 815 double, you 
know, she at the Olympics, she, 

449
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,160
you know, she is still a legend 
in this country, right? 

450
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:19,880
She's an absolute legend. 
And I don't think a Steve Cram 

451
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,800
or even a Sebco is at the level 
of if you if you say the name 

452
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:27,200
Dame Kelly Holmes, that will 
evoke much more of a reaction. 

453
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,640
And I think that is that's 
probably the point there that 

454
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:33,680
what Josh did on this day was 
amazing. 

455
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:39,280
But it it won't in terms of 
achievements, it may not stand 

456
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,080
the test of time in the same way
that that an Olympic gold does. 

457
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,600
And that's, you know, that we, 
we've had this conversation 

458
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,720
about our sport many times that 
unfortunately, you know, for 

459
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,760
better or for worse, the 
Olympics are where it's at, 

460
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:55,720
right? 
The Olympic gold, like even if 

461
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:59,120
you won world championship 
golds, it doesn't matter if you 

462
00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:03,080
haven't won an Olympic gold, it 
doesn't give you that 

463
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:07,520
breakthrough in, in the kind of,
you know, zeitgeist, in the kind

464
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,400
of where, where people are, you 
know, where people who are not 

465
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:16,400
fans of, of the sport like us, 
you know about you know who you 

466
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,720
are. 
And I think that's where that's 

467
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,200
why Keely was the last race at 
this meet, even though Josh was 

468
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:26,480
doing the world record attempt. 
And I think, yeah. 

469
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,200
And also it's also really 
interesting. 

470
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,840
Like obviously the other thing 
that someone pointed out the 

471
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:36,440
very next day, the homepage of 
the BBC Sport, the BBC Sport, 

472
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,560
not even the main BBC, the BBC 
Sport website, there was zero 

473
00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,680
stories about Josh Kerr. 
There was a story about, there 

474
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,400
was, there was a story about 
Keely Hodgkinson, but there were

475
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,480
zero stories about Josh Kerr. 
And obviously the reason for 

476
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,320
that was it was the day of the 
World Cup final and the World 

477
00:26:54,320 --> 00:27:00,080
Cup final is the biggest event 
in sport for the UK, full stop. 

478
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,320
Regardless of the fact that 
England won in it, that is the 

479
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,480
event. 
And I think the good thing is, 

480
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,720
and I think, and I think, you 
know, even Josh I think was on 

481
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,360
the BBC morning show the next 
day and he was like the 5th or 

482
00:27:13,360 --> 00:27:16,200
the 6th item on the agenda. 
And he called it out like 

483
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,320
because he's been very vocal 
about the fact that we want to 

484
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,400
give our sport this profile. 
And that's why he does these 

485
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:22,920
things. 
That's why he did this in the 

486
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,080
stadium in the way that he did 
it. 

487
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,280
And it was only the even though 
he was there in person on the 

488
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,080
BBC sofa, he was still the fifth
or sixth thing in the in the 

489
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,240
sport rundown. 
And I think obviously it's a 

490
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,280
little bit of an unfortunate 
kind of thing of timing. 

491
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,160
This London Diamond League was 
the day before the World Cup 

492
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:41,520
final. 
It was also that evening England

493
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,520
won 6 four against France in a 
in a, in a bizarre. 

494
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:49,440
Yeah, it was a crazy match. 
And yeah, that that was all kind

495
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,720
of going on as well. 
So there was a lot going on in 

496
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:55,960
the sports world and also I 
think a lot of the regular 

497
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,440
analysts who are sports 
journalists, who are, you know, 

498
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,160
keen track aficionados were 
actually at the World Cup. 

499
00:28:02,360 --> 00:28:05,960
So they weren't there as well, 
which is a little unfortunate. 

500
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,960
But I think at the same time 
Josh has been very clever 

501
00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,440
because the good thing is he's 
got the Commonwealth Games and 

502
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,720
thankfully that World Cup final 
wasn't very interesting. 

503
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,040
So it'll get forgotten in the 
next day or two. 

504
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,360
And I think with the hype and 
the build up to the Commonwealth

505
00:28:22,360 --> 00:28:27,360
Games, he's got an opportunity 
to kind of hit some pages later 

506
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:30,520
on in the run up to those 
Commonwealth Games or shortly or

507
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,640
as a part of that. 
So I think that's that's 

508
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,680
probably the the clever thing 
that he's done that he's now 

509
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,560
going to be here for the next 
couple of weeks doing the media 

510
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,400
rounds in, in the build up to, 
to, to those Commonwealth Games 

511
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551
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Can I ask a very American 
question? 

552
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,560
Sure. 
OK, does this get Josh knighted 

553
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:08,280
or anything special? 
Because possibly he's Sebastian 

554
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,320
Coe's Lord Coe, right? 
So what is exactly? 

555
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,760
What does he have? 
So I mean, yeah, I mean I think 

556
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,240
he'll he'll get some kind of 
honours. 

557
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:23,960
Keeley got a Member of the Order
of the British Empire, so an MBE

558
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,560
after their 2024 Olympic gold 
medal. 

559
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:29,920
So that's probably what he'll 
get. 

560
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:34,400
I mean, I wouldn't be, I mean, I
think and MO got knighted, he 

561
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,520
became so Mo Farah. 
But I think that was right. 

562
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,400
I, I can't remember that was 
after he retired or like, it 

563
00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:43,960
kind of feels like being 
knighted is more kind of towards

564
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,960
the end of your career as a 
legacy thing. 

565
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:53,280
And I'm not sure that Josh has 
quite got that on the resume yet

566
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,200
given, you know, it took all 
those Olympic golds and things 

567
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,760
for for me to get that and 
stuff. 

568
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,680
So I think it'll be a little bit
further along the line. 

569
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,720
But if he, if he. 
Got knighted in 2017, so that's 

570
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:11,400
right after he retired. 
And, and just Dennis Hill was 

571
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:15,320
probably also similarly kind of 
in, in 2017 or something, I 

572
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:16,720
think. 
Women are knighted. 

573
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,000
Too. 
Well, yeah, they become dames, 

574
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,840
but it's the equivalent honour 
for women, yeah. 

575
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,560
And said OK, so it's Dame Kelly 
Holmes for that reason. 

576
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,120
Correct. 
Yes. 

577
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,840
And why is why is Sebco Lord Co?
Where does that? 

578
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:37,040
He's also the knight. 
It's because he's also a member 

579
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,840
of the House of Lords. 
So that's a different, it's a 

580
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:45,240
different thing and it's not it.
That's kind of more because he's

581
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,360
also a political animal because 
he he also obviously he chaired 

582
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,840
the 2012 Olympics and did all of
that. 

583
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,520
So that kind of you. 
Really think Dame Kelly Holmes 

584
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:58,920
is a bigger name than Sebco in 
the UK. 

585
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,920
I mean Seb Co. 
He touches politics, He touches 

586
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,800
the. 
Olympics Seb Co maybe maybe Seb 

587
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,880
Co is bigger but but. 
She's on TVA lot. 

588
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,440
Yeah, it's Kelly. 
Like, like people like Dave 

589
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:20,120
Kelly Holmes, like and and Mo 
Farah and like they are just at 

590
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,560
this hill like they are. 
And maybe there's a bit of 

591
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,640
recency bias and of what I saw 
when I was growing up and stuff 

592
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,240
as to obviously I didn't see 
Sebco's athletics 

593
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,120
accomplishments. 
I only saw him, you know, 

594
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,120
chairing London 2012. 
And that's kind of probably when

595
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:44,600
he came into my kind of sphere 
of knowledge about, about him. 

596
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:49,560
And yeah, so I, I don't know 
whether in a, in a sporting 

597
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,240
context, certainly Sebco is no 
no longer looked at as a 

598
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,360
sporting icon other than the 
fact that he delivered London 

599
00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:03,200
2012. 
But yeah, I the other thing that

600
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,240
I think is, is interesting. 
I wanted to ask you was 

601
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:13,760
obviously this is the mile world
record and in the US and in the 

602
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:18,719
UK that means something. 
Does it mean something outside 

603
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,239
of that? 
Because I'm just, if you're 

604
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:26,080
thinking like on a global level,
actually, does anyone else care 

605
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:32,679
about the mile and, and, and, 
and that and, and in, in the, in

606
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:35,320
that context, would it have been
better for him to go after the 

607
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,679
1500 world record? 
Because the mile, mile record 

608
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:43,080
maybe means a lot to us and to, 
to the US and that maybe his key

609
00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,280
markets anyway, because he's 
based in the US and he's, you 

610
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,040
know, from, from the UK. 
But actually, if he wants to 

611
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,920
make a global impact on the 
sport, would would, yeah. 

612
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,760
How much does the mile cut 
through? 

613
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,280
I think. 
They'd go hand in hand. 

614
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,280
He'd split APR and through the 
1500 here that like it does sort

615
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,120
of set the expectation of the 
next go round. 

616
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,040
When he runs the 1500. 
He's going to potentially break 

617
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:12,480
the world record that I don't 
know this one again, he's 

618
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:17,800
running for Brooks AUS based 
shoe brand. 

619
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,080
And I guess like the with the 
British history behind the 

620
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:22,800
number. 
What is it? 

621
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,920
7 Brits have held the mile world
record, right. 

622
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:30,760
So there's some history there. 
Like it just for him, it made 

623
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,640
more sense that this was like 
the mile distance. 

624
00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:39,800
OK, And also, I guess to your 
point, like did it I, I wonder 

625
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,960
if there's a part of this that 
him winning in front of a home 

626
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,120
crowd and just being as crazy 
amped up as he was. 

627
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,160
Like, it made for just such a 
beautiful clip of the whole 

628
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,960
entire thing and the whole 
sports ecosystem nowadays and 

629
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,280
media, everyone consumes these 
things in clips. 

630
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,360
More people learned about that 
world record after it happened 

631
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,800
than it than they did watching 
it live. 

632
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,360
Yeah, I just don't I, I, I, I 
don't know, like there's there's

633
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:13,800
part of me that does kind of 
blanketly admit a white guy 

634
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:18,040
running this time and this fast 
is going to play well on the 

635
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,200
Internet. 
If it had just been say like 

636
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,640
Timothy Cheriot and just a 
Kenyan running fast. 

637
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,240
Like I don't necessarily know 
how much like it's sad, but a 

638
00:36:27,240 --> 00:36:30,640
reality of like, oh so many 
people just view a lot of these 

639
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,600
E Africans as just, you know, 
fast athletes all the time. 

640
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,360
And so when they run these 
outlandish times, unless it's 

641
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:43,400
something barrier breaking like 
the sub 2, like how many times 

642
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,080
have you know, Joshua Chef, the 
guy for example, running his 

643
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,560
5K10K world records, those are 
crazy fast times, didn't really 

644
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,600
permeate into the greater sports
landscape. 

645
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:55,000
And so there's that also part in
my brain where I'm like, Oh 

646
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,800
yeah, like, of course a white 
guy running the mile world 

647
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,960
record is going to pick up like 
in the US and in the UK and in 

648
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,680
other parts of Europe. 
But yeah, so for Josh, just 

649
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,240
story wise, it just made a lot 
of sense for it to be the mile 

650
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:17,600
and the, you know, he he's 
already kind of on the East 

651
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:21,600
African fan track fans radar 
because they're accustomed to 

652
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,200
seeing this guy on the podium 
and beating some of their top 

653
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:27,640
stars as well. 
So it's not like he needed to 

654
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:31,640
necessarily make a name for 
himself in those in in those 

655
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:35,880
pockets of other fan groups 
'cause if you've been following 

656
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,440
the sport, he's been a name for 
a while. 

657
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,400
So this it just hit at two big 
markets I would say. 

658
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,920
Yeah. 
And and I think that's maybe. 

659
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:47,880
But you see what? 
I'm getting at right where it's 

660
00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:50,520
like, oh, a white guy running 
fast is obviously going to be. 

661
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,680
Yeah, No, I mean, I I get it 
like the and I think a lot of 

662
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,720
that is in the. 
I mean, obviously Kip Chogi 

663
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:01,120
managed to to do it, but. 
But as a barrier. 

664
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:06,040
Other other than like in terms 
of breaking through as a 

665
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,440
household name outside of, you 
know, fans of the sport, right? 

666
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,360
Like that's the that's what 
we're going for is that that's 

667
00:38:13,720 --> 00:38:16,800
and I think that is more 
difficult with athletes who 

668
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,920
maybe don't speak English and 
don't speak and, and as much as.

669
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,400
You know, you have to kind of. 
The problem is the money where, 

670
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,160
you know, it always follows the 
money, right? 

671
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,240
And and ultimately, 
unfortunately, like English 

672
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:33,680
language is the medium where 
like the money is right? 

673
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,280
And that's where the attention 
is. 

674
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,560
So if you can speak English well
and you can then communicate 

675
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,680
with, you know, that audience a 
lot more. 

676
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,000
Like how amazing is Mara Lady 
Paolino? 

677
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,160
But we don't know her very well 
because we haven't. 

678
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,000
Like we've heard snippets of her
interviews that have been 

679
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,200
translated and stuff, but we 
don't really know her. 

680
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,240
Jonathan Oscar. 
Yeah. 

681
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,080
Well, yeah, we need to get you 
down to the mix zone every time 

682
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,960
she comes by Chris. 
But but for the rest of us, like

683
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,400
it's so I think I think that's a
bit that's that's difficult, 

684
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,040
right, That there are so many 
amazing athletes that we don't 

685
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:13,240
get to know and that it's much 
more difficult for certainly for

686
00:39:13,240 --> 00:39:16,720
us in our world. 
And maybe I'm being very Euro 

687
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:20,440
American, like English centric, 
Anglo, whatever the word is. 

688
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,120
But, but I think that is part of
the reality that a lot of the 

689
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,160
money in the sport, you know, 
does come from, you know, I 

690
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,840
mean, it comes from all around 
Europe as well. 

691
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:33,640
But at the same time, you know, 
the, a lot of the Scandinavian 

692
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,840
athletes, for example, speak 
really good English and like, 

693
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,440
you know, everyone loves Jacob 
for that reason as well, right? 

694
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,440
Because he communicates a lot in
English as well. 

695
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,480
We gravitate towards 
personalities too, and Josh has 

696
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:47,280
a ton of that as well. 
Yeah, the wait. 

697
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,720
And also, I guess like one last 
thing that piggybacks off what 

698
00:39:50,720 --> 00:39:54,280
you just said is everyone always
relates to the mile and the 

699
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,200
marathon in the grand scheme of 
things. 

700
00:39:57,240 --> 00:40:00,360
When, when when here in the 
States, we say like, oh, we 

701
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,400
relate to the gym class mile. 
Did they make you run the mile 

702
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:09,840
in gym class or was it the 1500?
I, I don't remember because I 

703
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,640
think I avoided it like the 
plague. 

704
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,720
I just remember running cross 
country and as a, and it being 

705
00:40:16,720 --> 00:40:21,160
the most, well, I say cross 
country like I think it, when we

706
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,120
did cross country, it was 
probably about one lap or two 

707
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,840
laps. 
So it wasn't like super long, 

708
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:33,320
but it was, you know, it was 
just kind of that it, it was 

709
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,600
just torture, right? 
Like that's what I remember as 

710
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,200
as like it was the punishment, 
it was the torture. 

711
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,840
Like I don't know whether, you 
know, we used to have the bleep 

712
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,040
test. 
That was the other thing we 

713
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,000
used. 
To do it was. 

714
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:49,640
Really painful, but yeah, I, I 
don't know whether what the kind

715
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,800
of like distance is, whether 
people. 

716
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,320
Did miles or 15 hundreds, I 
don't, I don't know but. 

717
00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,520
Do you think that? 
This is bigger than Saway so 

718
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,160
far. 
No, no, no, absolutely not. 

719
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,480
And, and I think there's two 
things about that. 

720
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:11,680
One is obviously the timing in 
terms of there was like all of 

721
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:18,160
the big journalists were there, 
like there was a lot more and, 

722
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,360
and, and because it was the 
London Marathon, like it just 

723
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,680
had that. 
It had that as well, right? 

724
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,720
The London Marathon is much 
bigger than the London Athletics

725
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:28,720
meet. 
For better or for worse, That's 

726
00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:31,680
just the way it is. 
Well, also I guess like a lot of

727
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:33,400
the stories that followed too, 
right? 

728
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,480
One a lot of them performance 
based on just sort of like what 

729
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,880
happened the world record 
falling, but then the tech is 

730
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,240
just so much more like Adidas 
got so much press afterwards. 

731
00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:49,240
It like I don't necessarily 
think Brooks has gotten 50% of 

732
00:41:49,240 --> 00:41:52,320
the amount of attention that the
the Adidas shoes had. 

733
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,280
And the crazy part is, is that 
Brooks has already said that 

734
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,320
these are like a one of one for 
Josh. 

735
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,560
So it's not like you can take 
that product that just 

736
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:05,280
accomplished that feat and next 
week it's out for the masses to 

737
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,880
go out and and go out and buy, 
which Adidas did with like only 

738
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:15,200
500 pairs of the what was it, 
the Evo Pro 3? 

739
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:21,200
I think that's what it was. 
But so yeah, I mean like, yeah, 

740
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,360
I think I also I think agree, I 
think Solway still gets the 

741
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,600
edge. 
And I think that is the issue of

742
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,920
what's like with with Josh. 
Obviously it is interesting, 

743
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:33,720
right? 
Like that we see like Josh broke

744
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:35,680
this world record. 
It's an incredible feat. 

745
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,320
It's 27 year old world record 
and it's amazing that he has 

746
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,160
done it right. 
But it is a record. 

747
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:45,560
And I think even Josh himself 
has said, look, I expect some of

748
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,720
the other guys now to go 
breaking this, right? 

749
00:42:47,720 --> 00:42:52,280
And then once those floodgates 
open, like, yeah, you know, 

750
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,720
maybe that gets broken multiple 
times. 

751
00:42:54,720 --> 00:43:00,320
It's very, you know, and that's 
just kind of the way it goes. 

752
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,520
But I think that is the issue, 
right, That as soon as that 

753
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:06,840
record gets broken, like how 
memorable does this remain? 

754
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:09,840
That is a question. 
And obviously for the 60,000 

755
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,120
people in the stadium, it will 
be memorable. 

756
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,400
For us, it may be memorable 
because we know what went behind

757
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:18,160
it and the six months of prep 
and the fact that he called his 

758
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:22,160
shot early. 
But once it kind of becomes a 

759
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:24,600
start in the history books and 
it's kind of the next guy's 

760
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:29,400
broken, it like most of that 
doesn't mean mean anything 

761
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:32,440
anymore. 
And I think that's where 

762
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,800
obviously the medals, you know, 
that conversation of times 

763
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:39,120
versus medals is, is, is so big 
and it's, it's so difficult. 

764
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,960
And I kind of, and, and maybe 
you know, Josh, like for this 

765
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,520
year, this was the right thing 
to do because yes, winning a 

766
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,360
Commonwealth gold and European 
gold at home would have been 

767
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,200
cool. 
But this is probably bigger than

768
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,480
doing that in any case. 
And there wasn't anything else 

769
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,200
bigger that he could really do 
this year. 

770
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,600
So I think that's that's a fair 
enough choice to have made. 

771
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,320
But obviously for the future, I 
think he's just going to be 

772
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:09,280
focused on gold medals again in 
2027 and 2028 because that's 

773
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,720
where he builds his legacy as as
the greatest ever. 

774
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,200
And it is interesting like for 
those other ethics like Faith, 

775
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,840
Kip Jagon, she just rocks up and
she breaks the world record, 

776
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,360
right or. 
I mean, think about that. 

777
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,880
OK, so that's that's a good 
example is like faith breaking. 

778
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:30,280
Four made headlines and that was
I think a big Nike push for 

779
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,760
sure. 
Like they tapped a lot of. 

780
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:35,920
Media in the lead up to this 
whole entire thing and that, but

781
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:40,680
when Faith goes out and breaks 
the mile world record in was it 

782
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:41,800
Parrot? 
Where did she break it? 

783
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,680
Monaco. 
I think it was Monaco, right? 

784
00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:45,960
Yeah. 
Yeah, I think yeah, when she 

785
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,920
actually break it, yeah. 
Not as much of the attention 

786
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:51,520
this time like as someone like 
Josh has got. 

787
00:44:52,120 --> 00:44:55,480
Yeah, so I mean we saw like the 
likes of Chapter Guy and get a 

788
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:59,920
setting world records in those 
time trials, but with no 

789
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:02,320
audience in the middle of COVID,
those didn't really 

790
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:05,040
breakthrough. 
And yes, this world record by 

791
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,680
Josh Kerr will breakthrough 
because of where he did it and 

792
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,480
and how he did it and how he 
called his shot. 

793
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,240
But a lot of other athletes like
AKP, Aegon, as we talked about, 

794
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:17,120
like they can just rock up and 
and run these world records 

795
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:22,520
without as much fanfare. 
And it's I suppose there's two 

796
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,160
bits. 
There's one is, you know, Faith 

797
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,640
Kipjegon, Elliot Kipchogi, like 
breaking 4, breaking 2, Like it 

798
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,800
didn't go all that well the 
first time, right, despite all 

799
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,240
the resources that were put into
it. 

800
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,720
And Josh Kerr has turned up and 
called a shot and done it this 

801
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:41,760
way, which is also incredible. 
But at the same time. 

802
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,160
Like he's not also the kind of 
athlete that can. 

803
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,400
Do that week in, week out and 
that's that's just the kind of 

804
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:51,320
athlete he is. 
But I think that also makes it a

805
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,000
little bit more difficult for 
for him to build that thing like

806
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:57,160
the unbeaten run of Norden 
Mosley or whatever, like to put 

807
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,040
himself in those GOAT 
conversations. 

808
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,480
I think it just makes it that 
little bit difficult. 

809
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,800
And and I do wonder whether, you
know, Josh Curry is obviously 

810
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,200
very, very talented, but he's 
not kind of one of those kind of

811
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,600
Unicorn type talents where, you 
know, he needs the hard work. 

812
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:14,800
Plus the, you know, he's kind of
all the athletes where the hard 

813
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,200
work plus the talent come 
together to create something 

814
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,520
very special. 
And it's not like, you know, it 

815
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,280
feels like someone like, you can
imagine like a Nils Laros, who 

816
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,320
unfortunately just ended the 
season today with an Achilles 

817
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,240
injury. 
But he but, you know, those kind

818
00:46:29,240 --> 00:46:31,600
of athletes that can just that 
seem to like be able to 

819
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:33,320
breakthrough and just kind of 
keep on going. 

820
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:38,680
And it's, yeah, that maybe it's 
those kind of athletes that we 

821
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,080
kind of tend to see as. 
Goats, because they're phenoms 

822
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,480
and then they kind of. 
Just keep on going. 

823
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,440
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824
00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:52,120
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Happy running. 

847
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:26,840
Men's 800 I wanted to chat about
Brandon Miller 14219 PB moves to

848
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:31,040
#5 on the US all time list with 
this performance brand, this 

849
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:32,360
race. 
Super smart. 

850
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,320
I was kind of watching him where
he was going in at at the bell 

851
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:41,160
and he was just, you know, still
batting his time. 

852
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:46,600
And it wasn't even that. 
The attack from when Yoni at the

853
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,520
very beginning was crazy 
aggressive. 

854
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:53,920
I would say it just sort of like
he tied up and that's fine. 

855
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:57,720
He had what, the 1K world record
attempt just a couple days 

856
00:48:57,720 --> 00:49:06,560
before, so it maybe he wasn't 
getting a 100% rested Emmanuel 

857
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,960
Manoni. 
But the last 150 meters by 

858
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,640
Brandon Miller were just so, so,
so impressive. 

859
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,320
And he's been on an absolute 
tear. 

860
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:25,160
Now with if Cooper Luckenhaus is
not going to run the World 

861
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:27,760
Ultimate Championships, then I'm
looking at Brendan Miller as 

862
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:30,760
like the best hope for an 
American victory there. 

863
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:35,680
And now he can add his name to 
the short list of folks who've 

864
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,560
beaten Emmanuel Wagnoni. 
Although on on this day, three 

865
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,880
guys did. 
Wagnoni finished fourth, his 

866
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:46,080
worst Diamond League showing 
since 2023. 

867
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:51,600
I think it was Mark English also
with a really strong race, runs 

868
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:57,400
A14297PB. 
Those two guys have been looking

869
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,440
really, really good in 2026. 
Yeah. 

870
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,400
I mean, I, I think that this 
from Brandon Miller was was 

871
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,080
incredible. 
Maybe we can drop in his 

872
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,880
interview here because I think 
it's worth the hearing what he 

873
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:13,080
had to say. 
Brandon, congratulations nearly 

874
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,400
a one second personal best. 
I mean, you're starting off a 

875
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,320
good afternoon for the Brooks 
Beasts as well. 

876
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:19,840
How are you feeling off that 
one? 

877
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:21,480
I feel blessed. 
I feel blessed. 

878
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,400
I'm super excited. 
I wanted to tell Josh that I was

879
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,080
coming up here warming up the 
track for him and everything 

880
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,840
like that, so I hope you saw it.
I hope he took some inspiration 

881
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:35,640
from it and I'm excited to see 
what he does a little bit later 

882
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:37,720
today. 
Yeah, and, and going into this 

883
00:50:37,720 --> 00:50:40,800
race, obviously it was clearly 
set out as a bit of a world 

884
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,800
record attempt. 
What was your mindset? 

885
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,440
Obviously because you you're 
famously, you know, been having 

886
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,160
a really great season kicking 
down the home straight. 

887
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,120
So what was your mindset going 
into this race? 

888
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:52,800
I just went to compete today, 
not really worried about times. 

889
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,160
I just come out here, just try 
to compete and try to win at the

890
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:59,600
end of the day and just continue
to try to stack wins and stack 

891
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:01,360
wins and stack wins and gain 
confidence. 

892
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:05,800
I know that whatever pace we go 
through through 6, I could be 

893
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:07,880
there. 
Me and Danny just passed 

894
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,160
offseason. 
We're just working on being 

895
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,920
there the last 50 meters and 
being able to close out the, 

896
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,480
the, the race. 
So for me, I was just been 

897
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:20,120
really confident in the work 
that's been put in, the 

898
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:23,800
abilities that God has blessed 
me with, and just the process 

899
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:26,320
that I've been able to go 
through each and every day. 

900
00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:29,720
Yeah, and and, and of course 
this specific race, you were 

901
00:51:29,720 --> 00:51:32,840
obviously in the middle of the 
pack kind of going through 400. 

902
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,800
And then you made your move kind
of coming into the home straight

903
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,480
and you put a massive gap on on,
on the guys. 

904
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,000
You you always had like the 
legs. 

905
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,920
Like what, what were your, what 
were you, what were you thinking

906
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,120
at that point in the race? 
And how did you you know, how 

907
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:48,320
did you position yourself? 
Yeah. 

908
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:52,400
So I wanted to get out of third.
I found myself in fourth. 

909
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,160
So I just told myself to stay 
patient, stay patient. 

910
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:58,720
I saw that the race was going 
out really, really fast, but it 

911
00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:00,920
felt good. 
And the problem I've been 

912
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,920
running into the last couple of 
years is when it feels good, I 

913
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,960
tend to try to make a move right
there instead of trying to stay 

914
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,640
patient. 
But we know in the 800 you 

915
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,840
really only get one move. 
So I just tried to focus on 

916
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:16,200
staying patient through 600 and 
and working my way up from 6 to 

917
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:19,200
700 and then kicking at home the
last 100. 

918
00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:23,680
So I just ended up feeling good 
and was able to have the legs 

919
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,640
coming home. 
And what was it like running on 

920
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,880
the track where David Radisha 
sat that world record 14 years 

921
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,280
ago? 
Just absolutely amazing. 

922
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:37,000
I watched his race this morning.
I remember being in my living 

923
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,120
room watching that race and 
obviously as a 800 runner, 

924
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,240
that's the race you you idolize 
in a sense. 

925
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:47,920
So I do a lot of inspiration for
that race and I just wanted to 

926
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:49,360
come out here and get my best. 
Thank you bud. 

927
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,760
Yeah. 
And finally, you know, Josh 

928
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,080
obviously going for the world 
record later, what what's your 

929
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:56,360
thoughts? 
Is he going to get it? 

930
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:57,840
How, how? 
How much is he going to break 

931
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,000
the volume? 
I think he gets it. 

932
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:04,520
I mean, he's in crazy shape. 
I put a comment out there on the

933
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:08,040
Brooks post a couple weeks ago 
where they was calling the 

934
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,920
project 222. 
I said at the end of all this, 

935
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:14,120
it might be Project 221. 
So we'll see. 

936
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:19,000
I, I have faith that he'll get 
it and I, me personally, I don't

937
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:20,960
think it's a question of if he's
going to get it or not. 

938
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,040
I think it's a question of how 
much he gets to buy. 

939
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:24,120
All right. 
Brilliant. 

940
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:27,600
Thanks a lot then. 
It obviously is working very, 

941
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,680
very well. 
Can you give us a bit of an 

942
00:53:29,720 --> 00:53:30,960
insight into it? 
How does that look? 

943
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,760
What is working so well with you
guys? 

944
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:35,880
Yeah, yeah. 
I think for me, just being able 

945
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:39,200
to be close with Josh, being a 
close to greatness is it's 

946
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,800
always going to rub off on you, 
you know, and just being able to

947
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,280
learn how to be a pro and just 
continuing to stay patient 

948
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,640
within my development. 
Yeah, just building the right 

949
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:54,280
team around me, from my coaches 
to my family, to my fiance, to 

950
00:53:54,280 --> 00:53:58,600
my agents and just just all 
around, people are just want to 

951
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:00,440
see me be the best that I could 
be. 

952
00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:02,080
And it's it's really starting to
click. 

953
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,720
And I just pray that I continue 
to stay healthy so we could see 

954
00:54:05,720 --> 00:54:08,880
this momentum next year and the 
year after that and so forth. 

955
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:11,800
Is Josh. 
Someone then that you could say 

956
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,880
you actually take a bit of 
inspiration from when you're 

957
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,720
when you're when you're training
with him. 1000% I mean, that guy

958
00:54:17,720 --> 00:54:21,840
is the truth and he's very 
inspirational and he rubs off 

959
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:26,000
all of his teammates. 
I'm already proud of him no 

960
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,320
matter what happens here in a 
couple minutes. 

961
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,840
And I just, I just pray that he 
goes out here and does what he 

962
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:37,400
needs to do to show everybody 
love to to stamp is what he 

963
00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:39,800
already knows about himself. 
And just last legs, I know 

964
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:41,560
you'll be eager to go and watch 
him. 

965
00:54:41,960 --> 00:54:43,360
In terms of yourself, what's 
next? 

966
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:45,400
This must give you a bit. 
Of confidence. 

967
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:49,280
Oh, for sure, USA. 
I got the late call for this. 

968
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,480
So once I saw that I got in this
race, for me, it was an 

969
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,680
opportunity that I couldn't pass
up to come out here and run 

970
00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:58,440
fast. 
But I'll I'll go back, hopefully

971
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,760
get a business Class C home and 
and run in New York in here in a

972
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:02,560
couple of days. 
So perfect. 

973
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:04,640
Thank you so much. 
Thank you all. 

974
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,680
Appreciate. 
It you know, he's someone who 

975
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:12,840
has really, you know, he's 
really come on this season and 

976
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,480
he's he's obviously in that 
environment and. 

977
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,560
I hate to bring up Josh Kerr 
again, but he's in that that 

978
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:22,360
training, training environment. 
With Josh Kerr and it obviously 

979
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,000
has worked for him, like 
whatever whatever's going on, 

980
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,280
like there's, there's some sort 
of vibe there, there's some sort

981
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,600
of energy there that that is 
working for him. 

982
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,440
And like this was a nearly a one
second PB for him. 

983
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:38,000
And that's I think the thing 
that's been missing that we've 

984
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,480
seen these really impressive 
performances from him. 

985
00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,440
But all the top US guys have 
been 142 guys. 

986
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,200
Right, so. 
He's been a little bit off that 

987
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:50,160
even though he's been running 
really well, he hasn't been able

988
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,000
to, you know, like you know, he 
has. 

989
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,000
He wasn't able to to make the 
team last year and you know, for

990
00:55:55,000 --> 00:56:00,440
that, for that reason. 
And I think now he's obviously a

991
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,280
threat and now we've got five 
guys in that mix for that team, 

992
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:08,200
you know, that are kind of 
clearly a cut above and. 

993
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:12,400
You're saying for the LA 2028? 
Well, I think LA or even next 

994
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:13,200
year. 
I mean, maybe. 

995
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,440
Let's just look. 
Only as far as next year, right,

996
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:17,920
Because who knows who else is 
going to come. 

997
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,680
We had we had Cooper Lutkin 
house in 2025. 

998
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:22,800
Who else is going to turn up in 
2027? 

999
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:28,440
I don't know but or by 2028 
there's it's as as we've seen 

1000
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,840
the the 8 hundreds can be a bit 
of a young man's game and you 

1001
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,800
can you can get people coming 
through, but. 

1002
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,440
Yeah, he's now. 
'Cause then I guess from what 

1003
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,080
I've heard so far, it sounds 
like Josh Hoey's out for the 

1004
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:49,240
season to my that's what I'm 
hearing and Donovan's still 

1005
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:52,720
taking his time. 
Not a great showing for Bryce 

1006
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:56,600
Hopple in this one. 
He's last in 14532. 

1007
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:01,120
So really your top three 
Americans right now in this 

1008
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:05,960
event I would say are Cooper 
Luckenhouse, Brandon Miller, 

1009
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,440
Donovan Brasier. 
That's your top three. 

1010
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:08,640
Yeah. 
And then? 

1011
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,640
Facing off at USA they they all 
three of them are going to be at

1012
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,080
USA Bryce that. 
Was just a big Josh double 

1013
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:15,640
check. 
Oh. 

1014
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:17,680
That that's that's what the 
declarations say. 

1015
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,440
I don't know if Brandon Miller 
might be kind of from the turn 

1016
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:22,680
around because I think he got 
into this race quite late. 

1017
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,040
So. 
He may decide obviously not to 

1018
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,120
do usas if he's if he's tired 
after this one. 

1019
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:29,520
But I mean, I think it does 
look. 

1020
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,960
Like a couple of Brooks beasts 
are travelling to USAS. 

1021
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:36,040
It's not like the OACI think the
entire OAC rosters is skipping 

1022
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:41,640
out on USAS. 
Yes, yeah, yeah, they are so but

1023
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:46,720
Mark English have to give a 
shout 142 man now I mean just 

1024
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,920
incredible love to see it and. 
Remember that the. 

1025
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:57,320
Standard for 2027 World 
Championships is 143 flat. 

1026
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:02,040
And obviously the window isn't 
open yet, but you know, to 

1027
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:06,360
actually get into the 142 is, I 
guess a good place to be heading

1028
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:09,920
into next year. 
And yeah, Mark English, I mean, 

1029
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,520
I think he, he keeps on 
improving, keeps on surprising 

1030
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,080
us. 
But I mean, his, his finish at 

1031
00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:15,760
the end of these races is 
incredible. 

1032
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,640
And yeah, Max Bergen is a 
factor. 

1033
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:23,640
We we've seen that a few Times 
Now and he's he's proven to be 

1034
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:26,440
really consistent. 
So I think, yeah, there's 

1035
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,160
there's lots to look forward to,
I think in the men's 800 as 

1036
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,440
always. 
And Kim Mcphillips is back from 

1037
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,320
injury. 
He's running 143 now on 4397 in 

1038
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,720
this race. 
So that's good to see as well. 

1039
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:42,640
I mean, bronze medallist from 
Budapest, Ben Patterson as well,

1040
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:46,160
getting back to his best as 
well, which we haven't really 

1041
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:52,720
seen since 24. 
So yeah, lots of good results in

1042
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,080
this race, but. 
Yeah, all right. 

1043
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,760
Just to quickly knock out the 
women's 3K. 

1044
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,680
Jess Hall, you know, just good 
to get her. 

1045
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:05,000
Similarly to Keely, back to some
winning ways here. 

1046
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:11,720
She got the V82469 just ahead of
Rose Davies, her compatriot, who

1047
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:15,240
ran 82538. 
Sarah Healy was third. 

1048
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,120
Henner Nettall was giving it a 
pretty good fight I would say 

1049
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:25,600
and she ends up in in fourth. 
It is this one was actually 

1050
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:29,960
pretty fascinating because not 
won by an Ethiopian given, but 

1051
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,440
despite the fact that they had 
like 5 or 6 of them in this 

1052
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,160
race. 
Yeah, I mean Jess Hall, I think 

1053
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,560
this. 
So I think I, I said it to her 

1054
00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:41,560
in the interview actually, 
because this she ran 824 about 

1055
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:46,360
two or three times in 2020. 4. 
When she banned, you know, her 

1056
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:51,040
350 and, you know, became the 
sort of silver medal favorite 

1057
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:54,320
for the Olympics. 
And I think this was an 

1058
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:56,720
impressive performance because 
it shows she's in that sort of 

1059
00:59:56,720 --> 01:00:00,760
shape again, which I think is 
what she's been searching for 

1060
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,480
this season. 
But yeah, and, and I think this 

1061
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:07,840
was a bit of a Commonwealth 
Games preview and the Aussies 

1062
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:08,960
are looking pretty good right 
now. 

1063
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,880
All right, we're going to breeze
through some of these sprints. 

1064
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:15,960
Not a shocker. 
In the women's 400, it was 

1065
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,840
Marlady Paulino 4897. 
Although it was nice, I guess 

1066
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:23,640
the, the, the cool part of this 
one was Henriette Jaeger 

1067
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,680
finishing second for the 
Norwegian national record and 

1068
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:31,360
running 4915. 
She was pretty pumped about that

1069
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:36,720
afterwards. 
In the women's 2, the the in the

1070
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:42,800
men's 400, Ry Benjamin got his 
first Diamond League victory in 

1071
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:49,120
the open four with a personal 
best of 44 O 5, just ahead of 

1072
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,920
Matthew Matt Hudson Smith to 
Corey Patterson. 

1073
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,680
So he's trending in the right 
direction. 

1074
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:59,240
I think USA is is next for him. 
I think he is scratched now. 

1075
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:00,840
He's scratched, so him and. 
Jacory. 

1076
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,160
Neither of them are running USA 
unfortunately. 

1077
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,480
Damn, I was looking forward to 
it every. 

1078
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:08,960
You know, I think that's 
multiple Times Now that Rye has 

1079
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:13,920
been announced as part of a meet
in New York City and then has 

1080
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,280
scratched since like 2022. 
I don't I don't think we've seen

1081
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:21,040
him compete in New York since 
may have been like the indoor 

1082
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:25,160
the one year that the New 
Balance Indoor Grand Prix moved 

1083
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:29,040
to Staten Island cause of COVID 
and cause of the construction of

1084
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:32,600
the new stadium. 
I mean, even like the last time 

1085
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,240
Rise competed in front of a home
crowd. 

1086
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,880
So they got to get him back to 
to New York sometime sometime 

1087
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:41,720
soon. 
But good showing here. 44 O 5. 

1088
01:01:43,120 --> 01:01:45,760
So I guess who is the top seed 
right now? 

1089
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:49,200
Chris Bailey 44 O 6 is the top 
seed at USA. 

1090
01:01:49,200 --> 01:01:51,320
And behind him is Vernon. 
Is it Vernon I? 

1091
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:54,680
Don't even know if Vernon's 
doing it, but I didn't see. 

1092
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:58,000
I didn't recall seeing Vernon on
the list, but again, maybe it's 

1093
01:01:58,000 --> 01:02:00,280
just getting into this race 
means that they've then decided 

1094
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:03,760
to scratch USA. 
That's also possibly. 

1095
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:10,360
That's the wonky nature of USA 
is an an off year. 

1096
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,840
Then I think one of the biggest 
races was, of course, the 

1097
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:18,120
women's 200, where we did get 
the rematch between Julian 

1098
01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:21,400
Alfred and Gabby Thomas, and 
Julian Alfred once again 

1099
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:29,920
prevailed 2166, Gabby Thomas 
2181, and Gabby's not running 

1100
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,800
USAS. 
So now I think after this, she's

1101
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:35,720
just kind of getting right back 
into training. 

1102
01:02:35,720 --> 01:02:41,720
And so she's got her exposure to
her big competitors with going 

1103
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,440
up against Julian Alfred. 
She hasn't. 

1104
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,000
Did she race Melissa so far this
year? 

1105
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:47,960
No, right? 
No, but obviously she's raced 

1106
01:02:47,960 --> 01:02:51,280
Deja Hodge, so we've seen those 
three match up and. 

1107
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:55,160
So she knows like who's going to
be there in Budapest in 

1108
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:56,240
September. 
I guess she hasn't raced 

1109
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:59,200
Sharika. 
Yeah, no, no, but I mean, yeah, 

1110
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:01,320
Sharik is obviously taking a bit
of a down period as well. 

1111
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:05,040
But I think the cool thing here 
is Gabby, she now has the most 

1112
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:07,400
sub 20 twos of anyone in 
history. 

1113
01:03:07,400 --> 01:03:10,680
She's now ahead of Sharika 
Jackson. 

1114
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:12,600
She's the 20. 
I think that was her 20th sub 

1115
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:15,760
two and sub 22. 
And yeah, I mean that that's 

1116
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,040
mighty impressive consistency 
for her. 

1117
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:21,840
So, you know, well done to her. 
Obviously she wanted a bit more 

1118
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:25,120
here. 
And June Alfred kind of looks 

1119
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,880
amazing running 2166. 
I mean, she, she looked, she 

1120
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:31,760
kind of, she saw Gabby coming up
on her and she's like, yeah, 

1121
01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:34,440
I've got more. 
And she just bumped her arms and

1122
01:03:34,440 --> 01:03:38,040
off she went. 
And yeah, it was, it was mighty 

1123
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:42,400
impressive to watch. 
And I, I, I, I would be very 

1124
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,480
surprised if, if anyone beats, 
you know, Alfred of 200 this 

1125
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,400
season. 
Really. 

1126
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,320
I, I, I at the moment I, That's 
how it's. 

1127
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,400
Unless Sharika gets back to her 
very best, I think it's going to

1128
01:03:53,400 --> 01:03:55,240
be very difficult. 
Just the way she looks, it 

1129
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:57,360
seemed, because she's got the 
start right. 

1130
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,000
She's a world 60 meter. 
Champion, indoor champion, and 

1131
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:04,280
she's Olympic 100m champion, but
she just has some strength like 

1132
01:04:04,280 --> 01:04:07,440
that strength in that she came 
off the bend and she saw Gabby 

1133
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:09,640
coming up on her and she just 
moved. 

1134
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:13,760
She was like, alright, I'm off 
if I need to be. 

1135
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:16,680
And I think that. 
In a 200 is really hard. 

1136
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:23,760
So I, I just, I just think, 
yeah, I think it's really going 

1137
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:25,800
to be really difficult to 
challenge in the 200, but. 

1138
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:29,760
I think I'll make my mind up 
with a couple more of these 

1139
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:33,880
diamond leagues that will follow
up the course of the next couple

1140
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,640
weeks as to like who because it 
is the best event, I think in 

1141
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:42,880
the women's short sprints over 
the men's 110 hurdles, Jacoby 

1142
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:45,920
Tharp got the victory, 1289 meet
record. 

1143
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:48,160
Jamal Britt was a little further
back in this one. 

1144
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:52,440
He finished fourth 1316. 
But he is running at the US 

1145
01:04:52,440 --> 01:04:54,200
Championships. 
I don't think Jacoby. 

1146
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:58,400
Yeah, Jacoby Tharp is not 
running at the US Championships 

1147
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:01,160
in the men's 400 hurdles, Carson
Warholm. 

1148
01:05:02,600 --> 01:05:05,640
This is kind of the result I 
think more people were have been

1149
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:11,000
looking for from him. 
He ran 4661 for the meet record 

1150
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:15,720
takes over the world lead. 
And so just as you know, there 

1151
01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,680
was maybe a little bit of doubt 
over his form. 

1152
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,240
He kind of reminds people he's 
like he's not going anywhere 

1153
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:26,040
anytime soon. 
So he he didn't do the the 

1154
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:28,480
Norwegian row. 
No, there was, there was a chat 

1155
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:30,120
about it. 
I, I, I had a chat with this 

1156
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:32,720
coach about him doing it. 
And I think he, he got asked 

1157
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:34,920
about it in this week anyway. 
But he was like he'll, he'll 

1158
01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:36,760
leave the glory to the 
footballers for now, but maybe 

1159
01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:39,400
we'll get at the European 
Championships if he if he wins 

1160
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,080
there. 
It would have been, it would 

1161
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:44,040
have been pretty cruel to do it 
in front of the Brazilians. 

1162
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:47,920
The Brazilian in this race, Tess
Lima, and I suspect Alison dos 

1163
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,080
Santos might have taken it quite
personally and I'm not sure he 

1164
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:54,280
would have wanted to to roll 
Alison up after Norway, Brazil 

1165
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:56,360
out. 
The World Cup, that's that's 

1166
01:05:56,360 --> 01:06:00,240
where he like ultimate champs. 
If Warholm beats Dos Santos, he 

1167
01:06:00,240 --> 01:06:04,120
should do the road that would be
and he might have like that one 

1168
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,000
Norwegian fan who like wears 
like the horns and stuff like, 

1169
01:06:07,080 --> 01:06:09,200
and we've we've seen him at so 
many championships. 

1170
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,400
Like if that guy's in 
attendance, like he'll he'll 

1171
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:15,200
lead the the crowd in getting it
together to do it. 

1172
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,760
And yeah. 
So that's the track action at 

1173
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:19,800
the. 
Men's 100. 

1174
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:23,560
Oh yeah, yeah, can't forget the 
men's 100 because this one had a

1175
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:28,880
little spice at the end with 
Keynesola Ajai once again 

1176
01:06:28,880 --> 01:06:31,880
running another 984. 
This is like the third time so 

1177
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:35,400
far this season that he's done 
that ties his Nigerian national 

1178
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:39,320
record and now improves the two 
and O against oblique Seville, 

1179
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,280
who finished second in this one 
in 987. 

1180
01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:48,240
Jordan Anthony, who there's so 
much hype around coming off of 

1181
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:54,240
the indoor season has not really
lived up to it so far in the 100

1182
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:59,600
outdoors where man, I think like
I was talking him up even saying

1183
01:06:59,600 --> 01:07:04,160
that if when he runs 97 this 
outdoor season win legal. 

1184
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,680
It shouldn't come as a surprise 
to us, but he just can't put it 

1185
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:11,920
together after 60 meters so far.
And so he runs 999 here and he 

1186
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:18,960
finishes his sixth, so a little 
bit further back and the. 

1187
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:22,520
Stare down that Ajayi had at the
end was not for oblique Seville.

1188
01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:24,400
It was apparently for Jordan 
Anthony. 

1189
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:27,160
So. 
Yeah, which I don't know. 

1190
01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:31,120
So I, I, I wasn't following 
along as closely on Ajayi was, I

1191
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:34,760
think posting on Instagram kind 
of trying to clear the air 

1192
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:40,360
around this whole entire thing. 
And I don't know how well 

1193
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,040
oblique Seville took it if he 
thought it was directed at him, 

1194
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:49,720
but then Ajayi was posting some 
or there was some Nigerian media

1195
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:53,240
outlet that posted screenshots 
of Ajayi's DMS with Jordan 

1196
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:54,840
Anthony. 
And so like those two guys were 

1197
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:56,440
like kind of going back and 
forth. 

1198
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:02,120
And yeah, I don't know, like, I 
think once it once you do 

1199
01:08:02,120 --> 01:08:05,320
something like that, you just 
got to back it up And and not 

1200
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:08,040
not not back it up, but just 
hold your ground and and say, 

1201
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,560
yeah, sure, it was for anyone. 
You won the race. 

1202
01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:12,200
Like you could you could have 
been sending a message to 

1203
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:13,840
anybody. 
And now you're 2 and O against 

1204
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:19,600
the world champ. 
Yeah, just directed at him too. 

1205
01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:24,520
So yeah, don't like even though 
he is technically, I guess I 

1206
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:29,040
would say like the a rookie in 
his first couple professional 

1207
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:33,240
races at this point, stick it to
the pros and come out and be a 

1208
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:36,520
little bit more brash full. 
But it doesn't seem like it's in

1209
01:08:36,520 --> 01:08:40,359
his character. 
I do, I guess, now want to see a

1210
01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:44,080
Jai versus Lyles at some point, 
yeah. 

1211
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,600
I think, yeah, we'll have to 
wait for that one. 

1212
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:51,800
But I think he's yeah, no, Lyles
obviously is and to the USA is. 

1213
01:08:51,800 --> 01:08:54,560
And I guess then we might see 
him again like, well, he's now 

1214
01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:56,319
also compared to World 
Ultimates, so. 

1215
01:08:57,399 --> 01:09:01,359
And we still haven't seen 
Seville versus not Lyles this 

1216
01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:04,960
season. 
I don't think so, no, because we

1217
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:08,520
saw, yeah, Lyles got beaten by 
Bramel and then he beat 

1218
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:15,319
everybody in the second meeting,
whatever that was. 

1219
01:09:16,279 --> 01:09:19,800
Yeah. 
All right, so this is the this 

1220
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:23,160
London now is going to the 
Diamond League now takes a 

1221
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,680
break, of course, for the US 
Championships, the Commonwealth 

1222
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:28,840
Games, European champs. 
Yes. 

1223
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:31,279
So, yeah, So then the Diamond 
League comes back after European

1224
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:35,080
Championships, so we'll have a. 
So we'll have and there's also 

1225
01:09:35,080 --> 01:09:37,640
World U 20s in the middle. 
So there's three kind of 

1226
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,960
championship kind of events 
there, plus all the national 

1227
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:43,840
championships that are mostly 
this weekend, including USA. 

1228
01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:48,120
So yeah, a pretty big gap. 
And then the next Diamond League

1229
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:53,160
is in Lausanne, in. 
August 21st, so literally a 

1230
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:54,960
month from now. 
One month layoff. 

1231
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:58,440
Yes, yeah, yeah, But yeah, com 
Games, obviously we won't get a 

1232
01:09:58,440 --> 01:10:03,400
chance to preview it, but couple
of good races is the men's model

1233
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:06,960
obviously with Josh Kerr, 
women's 8 Georgia Ontabel versus

1234
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:11,720
Elena Nadira and I think the 
men's javelin has got everyone 

1235
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:13,440
in it that you could possibly 
want. 

1236
01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:18,600
So Arshad Nadeem, Niraj Chopra, 
etcetera, Ramesh Patiraj. 

1237
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:22,760
So that's a pretty good those 
are probably the best of the the

1238
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,120
events at the Commonwealth 
Games, but annoyingly, we don't 

1239
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:26,360
start. 
Is there any way for us to watch

1240
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,760
it here in the states? 
I don't know. 

1241
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,760
I must admit, I must admit I 
don't know because it's not even

1242
01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:35,360
on free to air TV here anymore. 
It's not even on the BBC. 

1243
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:40,040
So it's on TNT Sports, but I'm 
sure that I'm sure you probably 

1244
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:44,040
CBC because yeah, if you VPN to 
Canada, I'm sure it'll be on CBC

1245
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:48,000
or whatever. 
It'll be a change up from me 

1246
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:52,280
currently VPN ING to Moldova. 
That's my go to right now. 

1247
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:58,600
But also, I think if it's on 
TNT, then we might get it on HBO

1248
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:01,680
here because aren't those two 
like, kind of hand in hand? 

1249
01:11:01,680 --> 01:11:03,880
They are, but I don't know if 
they'll obviously put it on the 

1250
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:05,640
US version. 
So yeah, because obviously 

1251
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,760
you've got to it'll be country 
by country rights, right? 

1252
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:12,080
So obviously different different
platforms have it in different 

1253
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:14,920
countries, so. 
The struggles of trying to 

1254
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,800
figure out how to watch track. 
Indeed. 

1255
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:19,960
Well, I've got to work out how 
I'm watching USASI. 

1256
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,320
Might have to renew my Joy MO 
subscription. 

1257
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:26,520
For the weekend, yeah. 
So it's some combination of so 

1258
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,680
for the folks, look, we're going
to do AUS as preview, but to be 

1259
01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:33,760
able to watch it live, you will 
need some combination of USATFTV

1260
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:38,920
and then otherwise like Peacock 
will do you well, if you have 

1261
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:41,800
Peacock, you'll be able to 
watch, I would say 80% of the 

1262
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:45,360
meat like every one of the days 
of like the, the, the, the, the 

1263
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,440
meaty stuff. 
I think starting Friday, 

1264
01:11:47,440 --> 01:11:52,720
Saturday, Sunday will be on 
Peacock and then there is ATV 

1265
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,280
window for Saturday and Sunday 
on NBC. 

1266
01:11:55,280 --> 01:12:01,120
So, yeah, that's once again, I 
guess just sort of trying to 

1267
01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:04,160
make it easier for people to 
understand and and follow along 

1268
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:07,360
on on how to watch these things.
But that's all the time we've 

1269
01:12:07,360 --> 01:12:12,240
got for this week's episode. 
We will be back. 

1270
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:15,960
Well, we'll be on your feeds 
over the next couple days. 

1271
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,800
US as preview. 
Interview with Josh Kerr to 

1272
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:23,200
come. 
And then of course, daily 

1273
01:12:23,200 --> 01:12:27,520
coverage from the 2026 USATF 
After Championships taking place

1274
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:32,040
here in New York City. 
All right, that's a wrap on 

1275
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,320
today's episode. 
Thanks for listening, for the 

1276
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,280
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1277
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:40,400
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1278
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:43,240
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1279
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:46,400
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1280
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,320
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1281
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,480
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1282
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,720
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1283
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,080
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1284
01:12:58,080 --> 01:12:59,600
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1285
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:05,000
Thanks again for listening. 
Thanks for sticking around. 

1286
01:13:05,080 --> 01:13:08,080
Here's a little bit more from 
Bandit Director of Experiences 

1287
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,200
Tim Rossi on the Unsponsored 
project, which you'll see on 

1288
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:15,360
display at the US Championships.
What do you think is currently 

1289
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:19,880
broken in the track and field 
contract model that Bandit is 

1290
01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:24,760
trying to in a way come in as 
not the full fix, but a 

1291
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:27,400
temporary fix to, you know, 
hopefully improving things. 

1292
01:13:27,400 --> 01:13:31,320
Yeah, I think the top end of the
sport is always the side of the 

1293
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:33,880
sport that gets taken care of, 
which is really, really cool and

1294
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,120
it makes sense for what it's 
worth as well. 

1295
01:13:36,120 --> 01:13:39,520
Brands are looking for value out
of athletes and that means 

1296
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,320
something different to every 
single brand, but often times it

1297
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,640
means competing from metal, 
always making teams, running 

1298
01:13:45,640 --> 01:13:48,920
world records, whatever it might
look like, and those athletes 

1299
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:50,960
get taken care of really, really
well. 

1300
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:54,440
And then in the US as well, we 
have the NCAA system. 

1301
01:13:54,440 --> 01:13:57,640
There's obviously a lot of 
conversation around that and NIL

1302
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:01,640
and that entire system right 
now, but it is an amazing 

1303
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:05,080
development pipeline. 
Running is a tough sport though.

1304
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:08,760
You get injured, you end up in 
the injury cycle for 12 months, 

1305
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:11,080
18 months, and then all of a 
sudden you're not performing at 

1306
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,360
the highest level. 
And there's so many people who 

1307
01:14:14,120 --> 01:14:17,480
leave that development system 
not having fulfilled their full 

1308
01:14:17,480 --> 01:14:19,160
potential and fall through the 
cracks. 

1309
01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:22,240
The same way that there are 
athletes that get that first 

1310
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:25,680
professional contract and maybe 
go through a similar issue. 

1311
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:29,920
Maybe a coaching fit or a system
fit doesn't work for them and 

1312
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,680
they just go through a rough 
patch of performance and then 

1313
01:14:32,680 --> 01:14:34,760
all of a sudden they get 
released from that contract and 

1314
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:37,360
it is tough for these athletes. 
You're going out of your own 

1315
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,640
pocket, out of your own savings 
to compete. 

1316
01:14:40,040 --> 01:14:42,520
It's not the cheapest sport 
being able to fly around the 

1317
01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:45,440
world trying to find track meets
and trying to run your best. 

1318
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:50,280
And it really is like a 
performance inhibitor as well. 

1319
01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:52,520
If you're out there trying to 
make a living off of it. 

1320
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:55,480
It applies a lot of pressure 
that maybe some of the athletes 

1321
01:14:55,480 --> 01:14:57,160
at the top end. 
There's a ton of pressure no 

1322
01:14:57,160 --> 01:15:00,640
matter who you are in the sport.
But if you've got the financial 

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system in place where you're not
risking your livelihood every 

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time you step on the track, I 
believe that that unlocks 

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performance. 
So us being able to support a 

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lot of those individuals that 
would historically fall through 

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the system and fall through the 
tracks and really keep them in 

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the sport and give them a chance
to bet on themselves and pursue 

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track at the highest level, it 
it's exactly what we want to do.

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And trying to focus on those up 
and comers or or underdog 

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stories if you will, is 
important for Bandit because we 

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think if we raise the floor 
within the sport, every level of

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it will benefit from that. 
As part of our. 

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Partnership with Bandit, we will
be highlighting some of the 

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athletes partaking in the 
Unsponsored project with some 

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features on citiusmag.com. 
You can also read some of them 

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in the Lab Count newsletter. 
Watch out for those black hits 

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in New York City in just a 
couple weeks.