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All right, it is Wednesday, 
March 25th. 

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I'm Chris Chavez, joined by Kyle
Merber and Preet Majithia. 

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And this week in track and 
field, we had a 17 year old from

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Texas become the youngest world 
champion in the history of track

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and field. 
Great Britain had its greatest 

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single day of distance running 
history on Sunday. 

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A former wide receiver made or 
just ran the fourth fastest 60 

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meters ever recorded and is 
looking to be a star in the lead

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up to the LA Olympics. 
And Cole Hawker, he's going to 

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be thinking about Josh Kerr's 
celebration for a long time. 

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We'll talk all about it because 
this is our World Indoors 

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Biggest Winners and Losers 
podcast where we'll look back at

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some of the biggest storylines. 
Pre, you did an absolutely 

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fantastic job of covering the 
world indoor championships, 90 

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or so interviews up on the 
YouTube channel, the three daily

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podcasts that you just soloed 
and spoken to Mike for like 20 

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plus minutes. 
It was pretty impressive. 

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And then your body ultimately 
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You're you're sick. 
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worlds. 
There's always a bit of a bit of

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a cesspit. 
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the hotel was was terrible and 
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took six hours instead of three 
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So I got in at 4:00 in the 
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So it just kind of all all got a
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it's all right. 
We get through it. 

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That's what what what we're 
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And yeah, it was, it was a 
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great place, like Torrens, a 
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And once you're in there, like 
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Like the last night we're in the
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Our friend Will Lear, the 
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and the yeah, and and some, and 
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medallist as well. 
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It was good fun. 
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the city? 
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single hotel was full of 
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athletes wandering around the 
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So yeah, it was it was good. 
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place if it had been more 
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major airport, which is 
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How is the gingerbread? 
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you were looking forward to. 
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gingerbread in the in the 
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We then were really hungry and 
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after the last day of the meat 
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it wasn't that great but maybe 
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gingerbread would have been 
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So they just eat gingerbread 
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that I ever experienced. 
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and grump gum drops. 
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the one they gave us wasn't very
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I think there was like the 
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better and, and there was some 
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up where I got to meet Daniel 
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holders. 
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But yeah, they had much better 
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Who's in better shape if they 
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Probably. 
Probably Komen, but yeah, pretty

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tight. 
I hope Nordine didn't hear that.

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It's avid listener of the pie. 
All right, so if you want a, you

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know, event by event breakdown 
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pre did a great job. 
What we're going to do on this 

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podcast is look bigger picture 
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that set us up for the outdoor 
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But before we get to that, I 
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couple days to do this podcast. 
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travelling back from Florida and
there was just airports are 

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pretty terrible right now here 
in the US And there was that 

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unfortunate accident at 
LaGuardia that also cancelled a 

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bunch of flights. 
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my Tuesday eventually got 
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So that's why this pod is coming
to people on Wednesday instead 

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of your usual Monday or Tuesday.
But as a result, we've also had 

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a bunch more news pop up. 
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which was this morning, was that
World Athletics has approved has

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approved an expanded 7 women 
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marathon at the 2026 World 
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Championships for Team USA. 
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our conclusion to the saga that 
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Team USA 7 spots will be the 
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course. 
Jess McClain, Emma Grace, Hurley

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and Mccur got the three top 
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Bourne, Carrie Elwood and Annie 
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And one world ranking selection 
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May 5th. 
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Colotti, Taylor Rowe. 
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Probably in line to take those 
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How's it going to work when you 
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Well, USATF is going to 
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three non scoring athletes. 
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of Team USA and will get world 
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performance in Copenhagen. 
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team scoring, they're not 
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receive official prize money, 
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kit that is different from what 
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USATF is covering all of their 
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we'll pay out any prize money 
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their own. 
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we don't know who the scoring 
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scoring athletes will be. 
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through all of that, but it 
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World Athletics here in allowing
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off course to be part of the 
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So we're happy about that. 
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just based on the reaction I'm 
seeing online, pissed some other

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people off based off of the US 
is now going to have a much 

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bigger team compared to everyone
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And So what I've been seeing is 
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would have happened to a smaller
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And I guess like, my thought is 
just like, well, it's up to the 

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federation to really fight for 
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And I think USATF did that in 
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They took it all the way up to 
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that met and laid out just sort 
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situation. 
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incompetence of the local 
organizing committee that forced

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this team to be bigger. 
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that took place with the police 
officer that led to just sort of

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that whole spiral of events 
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And so it's very different from,
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Ethiopia staged a championship 
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But you could kind of point to 
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unique situation. 
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they fought for the athletes and
World Athletics basically was 

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just sort of like, hey, here's 
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I didn't think this was going to
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but it's a good one, all things 
considered, I think. 

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Kyle, what were your thoughts 
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Yeah, I think it's a nice 
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At the end of the day, World 
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how USATF picks their team, but 
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lifeline with this creative 
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some legal problems or potential
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The thing I'm interested in 
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Now the precedent has been set 
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future could definitely leverage
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And I again, I have no issue 
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It's probably better that it 
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US size and influence as opposed
to a smaller country first, but 

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I've I think it's a fair 
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I'd be shocked if seven women 
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I, I think this is if you're one
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otherwise didn't get selected, 
are you going to go run in what 

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is essentially like a 
participation type trophy 

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situation? 
Like I hate to call it that, but

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like you don't count. 
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your big efforts to go run a 
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scenario, you cross the finish 
line and it just causes massive 

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confusion? 
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I I don't know if I would run it
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who's not scoring. 
It did seem, I guess from the 

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early responses that I think 
Molly Bourne what who was the 

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winner of the half marathon 
championships, she seemed 

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pleased by the decision. 
But again, I guess in the 

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feelings immediately afterwards,
she was like the first one to 

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say like, I don't feel 
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representing Team USA so. 
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she's not going to do it? 
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to just sort of like the 
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But now it does seem like if I'm
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off of a really short response 
on an Instagram story, I think 

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she might take the spot. 
But what's going to be confusing

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is what if someone has a really 
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injury? 
I think, well, so First off, if 

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any of these seven get, if any 
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don't think that this means that
they're going to get replaced by

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one other person. 
I think it'll just go down to 

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like 6. 
I don't see USATF tapping into 

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the reserves beyond like this is
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But if someone is in the midst 
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this fall is pretty close to the
fall marathon season or they're 

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just injured and they're not 
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showing, that's where it could 
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When you see, oh, this person 
who's technically one of the non

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scorers has a better day than 
you know, finishes as this the 

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top American or the second 
second best American, That's 

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where it's going to get a little
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having more than every other 
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So when I saw this, I had a 
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So one was, look, I'm, I'm happy
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was the resolution that was 
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what if these athletes then pace

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the, the, the, the scoring 
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that's in the USATF press 
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Social distancing is back. 

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Exactly so that obviously I, I 
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detail on what exactly that 
means. 

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then there might be some rules 
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pace each other or whatever or 
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interesting here, I suppose it's
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qualifying standard, which means
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country, you could also send as 
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There is no should we but. 
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numbers on the team whose 
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every team. 
They should just be like, hey, 

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if anyone else wants to add some
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I mean, look, as in, I think if 

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I were team, you know, if there 
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team Ethiopia, I'd be going hang

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on a minute, I want my own 
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that problem. 
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weird, right? 
It is a little weird. 

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freedom to select whoever they 
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there's three to score in the 
team competition. 

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or Team Kenya, I mean, like, 
why? 

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Why can't I send some paces of 
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But I think here they've 
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with saying that these athletes 
can't pack. 

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running championships, there is 
no qualifying standard. 

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So because there's no qualifying
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a full team of athletes of four 
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apparently is how and they'll do
like cross country style scoring

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of some variety to in the team 
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discretion on how they select 
their team. 

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they could select and send 
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what their original policy had 
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that right Now, obviously 
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USATF if they do that, but USATF
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discretion to do that. 
There's nothing from World 

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Athletics, which meant that oh, 
they could only send certain 

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qualified athletes or anything 
else. 

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They could have chosen whatever 
team they wanted and that's what

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other federations do. 
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who they like or whatever, 
whatever other rules they fancy.

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So in a sense USATF could have 
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themselves and obviously they 
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wider issues we have discussed 
in the past. 

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But while athletics have really 
saved USATF backside here, and 

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it does seem quite generous and 
as you said, USATF have fought 

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for their athletes, but it does 
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Athletics is kind of just trying
to keep USATF happy here. 

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I do it is a little bit, you 
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generous solution from World. 
Athletics, World Athletics, 

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World Athletics. 
Part of the deal was that the US

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does have to send a 4x4 to the 
World Relays now. 

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Yeah, we'll do this. 
No, for sure. 

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But like Vernon, get on that 
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Botswana. 
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that was the quid quid pro quo 
in the background. 

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There's, they should definitely 
be asking for something. 

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They're like, listen, we're not 
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you said you were going to host 
the World road running 

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Championships and didn't, but 
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and we all want to see you race 
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So yeah, of course, take an 
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Road running championships. 
Where was Botswana for World 

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Indoors in the 4 by 4? 
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running championships. 
OK. 

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Yeah, yeah. 
All right, so we got a solution 

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there and now like I said a 
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everyone is happy. 
Everyone wants to tune into the 

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World Road Running Championships
half marathon. 

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Now, you know, we could get a 
one through 7 US sweep, but you 

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know, numbers 4 through 7 won't 
count towards scoring. 

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So I'm excited for, you know, 
the team that is going out to to

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Copenhagen. 
We had a little bit more road 

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running news that took place 
today. 

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There is this article in the 
Guardian by Sean Angle that says

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that the London Marathon is in 
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event in 2027, aiming to have 
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days of marathons where it's 
50,000 participants each day. 

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Separating the men's elite race 
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race on the other day. 
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highlight the fact that, oh, 
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charity could be raised by, you 
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I, I, I get that like the, at 
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people do run it for charity and
they've raised what is it £83 

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million last in last year's race
with, with 56,000 finishers. 

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But also I do think like this is
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the running boom right now is at
an all time high where we have 

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all these races now trying to 
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When it comes to total number of
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Berlin, then New York and then 
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And at some point it gets to be 
just sort of like there, there 

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is a limit like you go to some 
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it's super crowded at the start.
Also, they know people get 

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turned off by the fact of like 
you can apply for these 

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lotteries and with New York, it 
was 1% chance of getting 

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accepted in London. 
I feel like it's also pretty 

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similar acceptance rate numbers 
there. 

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And so the majors are clearly, 
you know, at the. 

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Highest end of like the winners 
when it comes to just sort of 

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this this marathon boom. 
I get the the charity component,

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but also at the same time I'm 
like, this is very clearly like 

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an opportunity to make a ton of 
money having 100,000, you know, 

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marathon finishers in one 
weekend. 

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I don't know how New York 
Hooters is going to New York is 

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going to respond to something 
like this because the problem 

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with expanding New York is you 
shutting down the bridges and 

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the streets. 
And so maybe London can get away

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with doing this over 2 days. 
It seems like the mayor's office

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is in is like for it. 
But I just kudos to London 

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because I don't see this seeing 
it working in another city like 

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like New York. 
I see so many benefits of it, 

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but First off, pre is London 
known for having really 

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consistent weather on a 
day-to-day basis in April? 

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Is that like that's kind of its 
thing, right? 

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It's always, you always know 
it's going to be 60° and sunny 

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on any given day in London. 
So I'd love the idea of everyone

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look at the weather report and 
like trying to switch what wave 

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they're in. 
It's like. 

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You're going to have two. 
Completely crazy, lucky or 

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crazy, you know, unfortunate. 
Oh, yeah, no, you could. 

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Yeah. 
I mean, the two days can be 

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wildly different if they if 
there are two days of running. 

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But like, yeah, I mean, I, I'm 
surprised no one's come up with 

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this idea before in like Boston 
or New York or wherever, right? 

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Like I, I'm really surprised. 
And I know it's really tough to 

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close down a major city for a 
marathon for two. 

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Like one day is hard enough and 
two days is pretty tough. 

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So I, I, I think London is maybe
a touch, I don't know. 

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But London, I think it could 
work just because on a weekend 

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in central London or, and those 
parts of central London that 

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they do close down, it's fairly 
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Underground and and stuff 
anyway. 

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So it's probably OK. 
It's not the end of the world if

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people know about it. 
If the roads are closed, it's 

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not, it's not too bad. 
But I do, I do wonder whether 

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maybe that is the challenge for 
a lot of other larger cities 

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where they don't have as good 
public transport to kind of 

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mitigate some of those issues. 
And, and it is tricky. 

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And I imagine New York is 
probably a place like that where

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obviously even though the the 
the metro is good, there are 

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places that you need to get to 
by Rd. only and and closing down

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the bridges and stuff is, is a 
bit hard. 

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I think of it from the economic 

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Like, of course, London's like, 

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Do you mean you want even more 

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Yeah, of course. 

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I'll take you up on that. 

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The the thing I struggle with is
if you tell someone you ran the 

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2018 Boston Marathon, right? 
That was the year it, that was 

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when Des won in the rain, right?
I got my years right. 

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Then it's like, wow, you were 
there and you competed that 

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And the idea that's like, I, I 

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was in the 2027 London Marathon 
and just like, well, which one I

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I, I get it. 

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00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:46,520
I, I, this is what I would do if
I was the Boston Marathon is I 

449
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,480
would announce that we're 
shrinking and I would Jack the 

450
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,120
prices up. 
And I know that's a very 

451
00:25:52,120 --> 00:25:55,000
unpopular opinion, but I would 
go the. 

452
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,080
So pissed I would go pissed at 
the. 

453
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,640
Suggestion. 
Yeah, I would go scarcity. 

454
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,480
I'd be like, all right, yeah, 
every yeah, everyone runs 

455
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,640
London. 
But I would lean harder into the

456
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,240
elitism that already surrounds 
the Boston Marathon. 

457
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,400
Make people more upset, but 
you'll just make way more money.

458
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:14,640
And then I would have some sort 
of agreement or discount where 

459
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,960
if you run a certain level of 
other world Marathon Majors, 

460
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,840
then your price can come down. 
So if you've run all six others 

461
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,040
and you want to get in the 
Boston Marathon, we let you 

462
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,200
write in. 
Come on. 

463
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,920
Like you did all the easy ones. 
Now the ones that just let 

464
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,960
everyone in. 
Now you've really earned the 

465
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,320
opportunity to run Boston. 
So obviously a controversial 

466
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,400
take that everyone hates, but 
the London Marathon let anyone 

467
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,080
in, and therefore the Boston 
Marathon should do the complete 

468
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,000
opposite. 
It should cost $5000 to enter 

469
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,440
and like 10 people gets around 
it or not. 

470
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,200
You need more than 10, a few 
thousand or something. 

471
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:54,720
Like not just make it so 
exclusive and everyone would 

472
00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,440
absolutely hate it, but you 
know, they'd pay. 

473
00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,200
Yeah, I mean, that's that's the 
thing. 

474
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,040
It's especially with the 
marathon, it's like that's where

475
00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,040
you have your highest end 
spenders when it comes to 

476
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,640
everyone's spending hundreds of 
dollars on their shoes, 

477
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,880
nutrition, but. 
I guess on Sunday you have the 

478
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,760
just outside the Boston 
Marathon, so they still do the 

479
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,920
same exact course and everything
the day before, but they just 

480
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:26,200
brand it slightly differently. 
And then on Monday is the Boston

481
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:30,040
Marathon. 
The other thing that holds back 

482
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:36,120
the US majors from trying to top
this feat would be we're too 

483
00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:40,080
tied to our history and the 
courses Like New York isn't all 

484
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,960
of a sudden going to say, OK, we
see you trying to do 100,000, 

485
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,840
we're going to try and do 
110,000 or 120,000. 

486
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:52,880
But it's impossible when the 
Verrazano Bridge start is such a

487
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,240
fixture to the marathon, the 
Central Park finish and like how

488
00:27:56,240 --> 00:28:00,960
it touches all 5 boroughs like 
that's that is so New York is 

489
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,280
handcuffed to its course. 
Boston similarly with starting 

490
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,880
in Hopkinton and then trying and
you know, making your way all 

491
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,800
the way through all those towns 
and to the finish on Boylston 

492
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,120
Street. 
It's really like thing like 

493
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:19,360
Chicago maybe even though the 
race has been around what, 50 

494
00:28:19,360 --> 00:28:24,360
years or 50 plus years where I 
don't know, like you can get 

495
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,760
away with starting somewhere 
other than than Grant Park. 

496
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,720
But yeah, I London's getting 
creative here with the two days.

497
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:38,920
I wonder if, yeah, the world 
record for biggest marathon. 

498
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,600
I think you still have to go by 
numbers on a single day. 

499
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,440
This is 2 marathons in a 
weekend. 

500
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,160
I don't see it as one marathon. 
That's why they should have 

501
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,120
different names. 
They should be slightly branded 

502
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,480
differently. 
But yeah, I, I mean, if you're, 

503
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:58,080
I'd rather the World Marathon 
Majors open up participation 

504
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,120
then keep adding different 
races. 

505
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,600
So I'd rather be, yeah, every 
world Marathon major is a 2 day 

506
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:10,240
event versus, you know, there's 
12 World Marathon Majors. 

507
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,000
I think that's a better way of 
going about it. 

508
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:18,160
Yeah, yeah, I'm just scrolling 
through the comment section on 

509
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,480
our Instagram and people are I 
it's, it's a split decision I 

510
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:29,320
think right now, but yeah, so. 
It's it's maybe worth mentioning

511
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,280
like the split, right. 
So there are 15,000 charity 

512
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,440
places, 17 1/2 thousand public 
ballot places currently in the 

513
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,160
London Marathon 6000 good for 
age places. 

514
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,040
So that cup that's about 40 odd 
thousand out of the the 50,000 

515
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,120
that currently run it. 
And then there's like club 

516
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,920
entries and elite slash 
championship if you run the 

517
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,640
quickest times. 
So those times are like way the 

518
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,320
good for age and the elite and 
championship times are quicker 

519
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,840
than the BQ qualifiers actually 
in a lot of cases. 

520
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:06,440
So though, but then so that, but
I think that is where obviously 

521
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,440
you'll get more opportunity for 
like maybe having those kind of 

522
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,440
top club level or sub elite 
runners to get in to the race 

523
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,600
because there'll be more spaces 
for them as well as more charity

524
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,800
places. 
So I think it does kind of make 

525
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:26,880
sense to have that spread and 
then also more, more people can 

526
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:28,280
can be allocated in the ballot 
as well. 

527
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,560
So I think it it it works out 
all round. 

528
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,880
So I am, I know I was joking 
about saying, half joking about 

529
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,040
the Boston Marathon getting 
smaller in general. 

530
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,560
Like if if there are more people
that want to get into running 

531
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,520
and spend money in the the 
running shoe industry and want 

532
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:51,440
to spend money to go somewhere 
to fly and participate and train

533
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:53,280
and get more involved in 
running. 

534
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:59,200
I don't know if we should 
necessarily, you know, stifle 

535
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,920
that in any way, although I will
set. 

536
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,480
Like there, you're walking back 
your, your, your thought. 

537
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,240
I'm half, I'm like, you know, 
I'm like, I know I'm getting 

538
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,440
cancelled right now. 
So I'm like, no, I was joking. 

539
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,000
No, I do think, I think from a 
branding perspective it makes a 

540
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,280
lot of sense. 
But I feel like there's this big

541
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:18,760
movement happening under the 
surface right now of runners who

542
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,520
are just kind of tired of these 
major events. 

543
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:23,960
Yeah, like Chris, you've done 
smaller races. 

544
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,600
It's really nice to go run a 
smaller race. 

545
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,600
I think it is way. 
In agreement that the Houston 

546
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,400
Marathon is the perfect 
marathon. 

547
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,200
It's a great marathon in I'd 
take smaller races. 

548
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:40,920
I mean, I went to the 13.1 and 
this past weekend that the 

549
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,600
trials Miles guys put on, Yeah, 
I mean, it's but also it's so 

550
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,120
easy and enjoyable. 
You just show up. 

551
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,040
I showed up 30 minutes or 
whatever before the gun, grab my

552
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,160
bib, jog. 
There's no waits for the 

553
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,720
bathroom. 
It was so easy. 

554
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,160
You just walked over the start 
line. 

555
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,840
Like that's such a better 
experience than having to get up

556
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,880
at 4:00 AM and like take buses 
26 miles away and sit in the 

557
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,000
field for hours. 
So look, if London wants to have

558
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,000
a million people, they should do
it, but I would also encourage 

559
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,880
people to support their local 
road race because it's really 

560
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,960
fun and quite easy to do in 
comparison. 

561
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:24,320
Preet, in your breakdown of the 
numbers I didn't see or hear I 

562
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:29,480
guess how many are allocated to 
to tik tokers and influencers. 

563
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:36,400
It's not in this breakdown, so. 
That thing, it's, it's flooded. 

564
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,360
Marathon is going to be two 
days, one day for regular 

565
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,080
runners and the other day for 
50,000 influencers. 

566
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:44,200
There you go. 
On the the the the other day, 

567
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,040
you're allowed to run. 
With, well, no, it's a costume. 

568
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,440
Have a bike? 
Pacer Yeah, yeah. 

569
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,600
And, and costumes. 
It's just, yeah, we're just 

570
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,640
having fun that day. 
Yeah, All right, that is the 

571
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,560
London Marathon expanding to 
100,000 finishers. 

572
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,440
So I mean, it's not official 
yet. 

573
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,120
I presume they'll announce it at
during London Marathon weekend, 

574
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:08,320
which is next month, but the 
plans have started to be 

575
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,560
revealed a little bit. 
All right, let's go into the 

576
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,160
biggest winners of World 
Indoors. 

577
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:18,680
And yes, we'll eventually get to
Cooper Lechenhouse becoming the 

578
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,000
youngest global champion at 17 
years old. 

579
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:28,160
But I want to kick things off 
with Super Sunday as the the 

580
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:33,360
Brits are calling it, because it
was a big day and it was, I 

581
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:38,880
think headlined by how good of a
Sunday Keeley Hodgkinson had 

582
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,800
healthy for the first time in 
years after missing 3 World 

583
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,920
Indoor Championships. 
She absolutely crushed this one.

584
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:51,080
Won the 800 meter final wire to 
wire in 155.3, second fastest 

585
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:55,120
indoor time in history behind 
her own world record, and then 

586
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,640
came back less than an hour 
later to anchor the British 4x4 

587
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,440
with a 50.1 split, second 
fastest in World Indoor 

588
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,160
Championship history. 
GB didn't meddle, but it was the

589
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:09,480
talk of the town afterwards 
because Keely proved that she 

590
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,400
probably belongs on that 4x4 for
Commonwealth Games Europeans 

591
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,400
future World Championships 
counter in. 

592
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:21,159
She definitely delivered. 
But so, I mean, crowning moment 

593
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:25,480
for Keely, we kind of expected 
this, but the conversation that 

594
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,760
took place afterwards among the 
three of us was posed by Kyle, 

595
00:34:29,159 --> 00:34:35,560
which was, is Keely the face of 
athletics right now? 

596
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:43,360
Because she's crushing it. 
She's the most liked athlete. 

597
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:47,199
I think in general when it comes
to there, you'd have to really 

598
00:34:47,199 --> 00:34:52,760
dig or find online somewhere to 
find a Keely Hodgkinson hater 

599
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,800
cuz she delivers on the track. 
She's got great personality. 

600
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,920
So Kyle was like, is she the 
face of track and field right 

601
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,160
now? 
And I guess you could make a 

602
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:10,000
strong case for it. 
We're talking with specifics to 

603
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,040
track fans, right? 
Like we're not thinking. 

604
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:15,400
That's. 
The face of track and field in 

605
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,120
the lead up to LA 2028. 
We're just saying among for 

606
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,480
track fans like Keely is her 
right now. 

607
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:25,080
I think that was in our offline 
debate. 

608
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,040
What we came to the conclusion 
of because I said, is Keely the 

609
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,960
face of the sport right now? 
And Chris, like, fell out of his

610
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:33,360
chair. 
He couldn't believe the 

611
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:37,400
suggestion Preet was snapping. 
He was like, hell yeah, finally 

612
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,760
get out of here. 
This American bias, Kyle, Team 

613
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:48,120
GB. 
But it's what is that mean? 

614
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,360
To be the face of the sport, you
have to start there in some 

615
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,520
regard, right? 
It's I think for a while. 

616
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,000
It was bold it. 
Had it was obviously bold and 

617
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:04,080
then we kind of didn't know 
maybe who it was. 

618
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,400
There was a little gap there. 
But the last few years most 

619
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:12,560
people probably would say 
Shakari and Noah, but I mean 

620
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:18,840
Shakari and Noah. 
I think it's hard. 

621
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,520
Yeah, you're not going to win 
Chris and I over on a field. 

622
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,960
I think it the vent an 800 
runner, it's pretty hard to be 

623
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,360
right. 
Like 100 runner being the face 

624
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:34,920
of the sport makes sense. 
We didn't have 100 in there. 

625
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,600
For as amazing as Sidney 
McLaughlin, Liveroni is the fact

626
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:44,040
that she's a 400 hurdler, like 
that's like she's transcended in

627
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:48,240
the fact that she's the greatest
ever to do it, but to the 

628
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,000
average. 
So here's the thing. 

629
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,360
It's like I keep going back to 
the average sports fan, where as

630
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,880
you are kind of more fixated on 
the track and field fanatic. 

631
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:00,880
I think to the track and field 
fanatic, yes, Keely is amazing 

632
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:05,600
and she it has a ton of 
potential to blow up her image 

633
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,240
right now for the next two years
in the lead up to LA. 

634
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:11,160
But let's not kid ourselves that
in the lead up to a home 

635
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:16,320
Olympics for the United States, 
NBC and I think the global 

636
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,000
public will be propping up the 
same faces that we've kind of 

637
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,680
seen where it's Noah Shakari, 
Sydney Gabby. 

638
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,680
Those will be the the the people
plastered all over the place. 

639
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:33,200
And it's hard to close that gap 
in an off year of sorts or just 

640
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,120
with world indoors and a world 
championship next year and world

641
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,360
ultimate on the level of star 
power that the Olympic glamour 

642
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:43,280
kind of shine. 
So yes, I mean, I think the 

643
00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:46,440
track fans will know that like, 
Oh no, the real star who's 

644
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,520
probably going to win gold in 
their event and is more of a 

645
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,640
sure thing is Keely. 
But it's to the American 

646
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,560
audience and where the 
spotlight's going to be. 

647
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,800
It's going to be on the, I think
the still the same, same, same 

648
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,920
guard as the last go round in 
the US. 

649
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,680
In the US and I think that's the
point right that in the US 

650
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:10,480
obviously there will be a lot of
marketing dollars spent by NBC 

651
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,000
and others on the people you 
mentioned Noah should carry 

652
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,680
whoever right. 
But I think outside of the US 

653
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,680
they aren't necessarily looking 
for the next. 

654
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,240
They don't need it to be U.S. 
star. 

655
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:28,520
And I think there you, you can 
then I think there is a place 

656
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:32,160
for Keith because she has now 
transcended sort of GB to a 

657
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,960
certain extent. 
So I think out, you know, she is

658
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,160
known out. 
And if she goes on this summer 

659
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:41,840
to break or or come very close 
to the outdoor world record, I 

660
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:45,960
think that will add to that add 
to that appeal because of the 

661
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,520
personality and everything else 
that she's got going on. 

662
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,280
You know, I think she is very 
marketable, right? 

663
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:58,040
It's, it's very clear that just 
their group and personalities 

664
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,280
and everything going on there is
really, really marketable. 

665
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:06,800
And I think they have succeeded 
in in, in achieving that. 

666
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,680
And I suppose the other thing is
ironically, the British papers 

667
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:18,200
are sort of what some of the few
English language outlets that do

668
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,080
a decent track and field. 
And when they have a British 

669
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:23,960
star, they pump that out and 
that does actually get traction 

670
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:29,000
overseas weirdly, like the 
Guardian doesn't have a paywall.

671
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:33,680
And so anything that Shawn Ingle
at the Guardian writes seems to 

672
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,920
get a really good amount of 
traction internationally. 

673
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,960
And it's big in Australia as 
well. 

674
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,720
And it's sort of it does seem to
to to get out there. 

675
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:49,400
So I do wonder whether there is 
a place there where, if, you 

676
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,840
know, Keely can be the face of 
the LA Olympics on a on a global

677
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,640
level, even if she's not 
necessarily going to be the face

678
00:39:55,640 --> 00:40:01,320
in sort of NBCS ads, as it were.
Yeah, I think that's a it's 

679
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,880
there's regional faces of the 
sport. 

680
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,800
I think if you're talking to a 
nation of non-english speakers 

681
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,840
to be like Keely or Shakira. 
No, they're it's like, what do 

682
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,800
you mean in Botswana? 
It's obviously. 

683
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:19,680
Let's seal and in. 
In Africa and or in Kenya, it's 

684
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,280
it's of course it's Faith 
Kippyegon. 

685
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:22,560
Like what are you guys talking 
about? 

686
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:25,000
Like so it's definitely a 
regional thing. 

687
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,240
I think you've had a little bit 
of World Athletics of who 

688
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:33,880
they're hyping up and right now 
they're hyping up Heeley so 

689
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,200
much. 
And I think for every track fan,

690
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,480
for every track fan, die hard 
track fan. 

691
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,520
I think if someone were to step 
on a track right now that it's 

692
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,200
appointment television, it's 
probably Keeley I I don't know 

693
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,720
if there's another athlete right
now that if they were running 

694
00:40:50,720 --> 00:40:53,560
their event, you have to watch 
it. 

695
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:57,200
If Noah was running a 200 
tomorrow, do you feel like you 

696
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:01,840
have to watch it? 
You'd watch it. 

697
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,640
But like, I need to see 100 
outdoors right now. 

698
00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:09,200
I don't have. 
I've seen her. 

699
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,600
I've seen her break the world 
record a million times. 

700
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:14,600
There's no other athlete that if
they were going to run their 

701
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,360
primary event right now, I would
clear the calendar and I would 

702
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:21,080
have to watch them. 
Mondo has broken the world 

703
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,400
record soon so many times. 
So it's almost the element of 

704
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,480
the fact that that 800 record 
hasn't been broken for so long 

705
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,680
adds to the intrigue and the 
fact that she hasn't yet broken 

706
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,400
it. 
Sydney in a 400 hurdles, I don't

707
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,480
have to watch it. 
I mean, we've seen her break the

708
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,520
400 hurdles. 
We know what she's capable of, 

709
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:42,800
but we haven't seen a healthy 
Keely go after the world record.

710
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:46,960
And so, yeah, I don't think 
there's another athlete who I 

711
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:51,360
would absolutely do anything and
based off their current fitness 

712
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,360
and everything right now is 
really short term face the 

713
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,160
sport, most exciting athlete, 
it's Keeley. 

714
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,720
Yeah, I was just trying to think
of, I think in the past, this 

715
00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:01,680
may have been when I was at 
Sports Illustrated, just sort of

716
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:05,520
like a little office debate of 
like who is more popular, like 

717
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,600
in their lifetime, whether it 
was like Pele or Michael Jordan.

718
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,960
And I was trying to think of 
like, OK, if you drop me off in 

719
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,800
the middle of nowhere China, 
right, Like in or in Asia, like 

720
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,080
who of the two would people 
probably know? 

721
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:23,240
And it'd probably be Michael 
Jordan, right? 

722
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,560
But if you do the same thing in 
South America, you drop me off 

723
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,480
there, like who would it 
probably be? 

724
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,800
Probably be Pele over Jordan. 
So it's in a similar way I was 

725
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,400
trying to do that thought 
exercise with like, you drop off

726
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,720
this, you know me. 
And in those same places in 

727
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,880
Asia, who's the person? 
Like would they recognize Keely 

728
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,960
over Noah or Shikari? 
Probably not at the not at the 

729
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,360
moment. 
I think there's still time to 

730
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:54,520
kind of steer the attention and 
and brighten the spotlight on 

731
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:58,000
her a bit more. 
It just, yeah. 

732
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:00,560
And I think for Keely, if I'm 
going through just sort of all 

733
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,240
the continents, how has she 
checked the box in in, in 

734
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:06,280
becoming the biggest star there?
Europe, easy. 

735
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:10,840
I mean, once you have the Brits 
and the European market and how 

736
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,640
good you've been, box checked 
Africa, box checked in the fact 

737
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,120
that you got, you have the 
respect of the East African 

738
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:20,560
athletes because you've managed 
to beat them. 

739
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:26,280
South America, I don't know yet.
North America, yes, among track 

740
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:29,400
fans, maybe not among the 
mainstream sports fans. 

741
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:33,680
Asia, I don't recall any major 
big performance. 

742
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,760
I guess like Tokyo maybe for 
Keely, but actually she didn't 

743
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,440
even win there. 
So like there's still some work 

744
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:46,400
to be done in making yourself 
the face globally, but you're, 

745
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,880
she's doing a great job I think 
so far. 

746
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,800
Do you think it would be better 
for her to break the world 

747
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,520
record next year rather than 
this year just because it then 

748
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,800
is closer to the Olympics? 
Good question. 

749
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,160
When you're when you're hot, you
got to go for it. 

750
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:05,600
Obviously. 
Oh yeah, from, from, from an 

751
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:07,720
athletic perspective, clearly, 
right. 

752
00:44:07,720 --> 00:44:09,920
She, yeah, you got to do it when
you're there right now, right. 

753
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:13,360
But from a actual marketing 
perspective, do you think that 

754
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,440
potentially it would be better 
for her to do it next year? 

755
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,000
No, doing it at the London 
Diamond League. 

756
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,480
Yeah, but next year, London, 
London Diamond League next year.

757
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,960
Wouldn't that be bad? 
Now it's more time to build the 

758
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,800
hype. 
So is London Diamond League this

759
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,320
year on a Saturday or Sunday 
pre? 

760
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:35,400
They're actually doing it both 
days and everyone's allowed to 

761
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,160
compete. 
I I think it's a Saturday but I 

762
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,640
I need to check. 
To be honest, OK, so we already 

763
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:46,520
saw Josh's announced for the 
mile, Keeley, we presume it will

764
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:50,800
probably go for the 800 world 
record there say they both break

765
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:54,600
it and then there's another 
really good race like oh, the 

766
00:44:54,720 --> 00:44:56,320
actually the women's pole vault 
is happening. 

767
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,080
I think it's some Padre wins 
Sunday. 

768
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,720
So can that be Super Sunday as 
well when you've already had a 

769
00:45:01,720 --> 00:45:04,120
Super Sunday? 
Super Earth Sunday. 

770
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,800
Who knows? 
They call it Sensational Sunday.

771
00:45:08,240 --> 00:45:10,000
Sensational Sunday. 
Yeah, there you go. 

772
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,160
Yeah. 
All right, So All in all, we did

773
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,320
this weekend do anything else to
just sort of sway us in thinking

774
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,600
Keely's going to break the world
record come outdoor season. 

775
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:25,840
Or I guess like when we talk 
about biggest winners from this,

776
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:30,600
what else did Keely win at here?
I mean the the the 400 split was

777
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:34,880
great. 
Yeah, I mean that that 400, I 

778
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,480
mean, I think the thing was 
everyone was just like confused.

779
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:39,280
Is like, is this really 
happening? 

780
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,640
Is she actually on this start 
list? 

781
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,040
And Dina as well. 
And when they put both of them 

782
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,000
in, it was it was like very 
confusing and it was a real 

783
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,520
shame they didn't run because I 
think you can only swap 2. 

784
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:56,480
They didn't run the one of the 
open 400 runners in the the 

785
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,440
heats because then they might 
have had a better shot at a 

786
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,640
medal. 
So yeah, but that was a little 

787
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,560
unfortunate. 
So then they they were a bit bit

788
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:07,120
stuck because they weren't going
to get a medal. 

789
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,920
But it did mean Keely got a 
clear run and she was able to 

790
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,240
drop that slip so. 
The only other winner I'm going 

791
00:46:13,240 --> 00:46:18,000
to pull from the 800 at World 
Indoors in the on the women's 

792
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,280
side is I think Audrey Huero is 
being completely overlooked in 

793
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,840
the in the sense of she ran as 
fast as she did at 21 years old.

794
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,560
Like, we love the Keely hype and
the attention right now. 

795
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:31,640
But when we talk about just sort
of being the first to probably 

796
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,840
break this record, give it a 
couple more years and maybe 

797
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:37,560
Audrey Huero is also in that 
same sort of conversation. 

798
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:42,120
And Keely's not going away 
anytime soon, but someone is 

799
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,960
already on the heels. 
And while we're the attention is

800
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:49,400
on the first person to do it. 
I think Audrey were was right 

801
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,280
there and I'm I'm like it. 
It was just fascinating to me to

802
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:56,880
see just how much she flew under
the radar after such a big 

803
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,720
performance. 
So. 

804
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:03,280
Sure and great, but we we care 
about winners and it just wasn't

805
00:47:03,280 --> 00:47:05,320
that close, even though he ran 
really quick. 

806
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:08,160
So we only have so much 
excitement to give to anyone. 

807
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:11,960
I'm sure in Switzerland they're 
they're fired up, but most 

808
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:13,400
people are watching who's in 
first. 

809
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,200
Yeah, And I think the way she 
ran it, she ran it really 

810
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:20,520
smartly to run the 156, but it 
wasn't like she hung on to Keely

811
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:22,200
for as long as she could. 
And interestingly, if she'd 

812
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,240
followed that tactic of hanging 
on to Keely and then obviously 

813
00:47:26,240 --> 00:47:30,280
just missed out at the end, I 
imagine people, more people will

814
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,600
be talking about her because it 
would have looked more like she 

815
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,840
was competing with Keely. 
But here Keely was just miles 

816
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:39,240
ahead and she actually then took
off towards the end of the race 

817
00:47:39,240 --> 00:47:43,400
and got a bit closer to Keely, 
but was nowhere near near close 

818
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,920
to catching up. 
All right, moving. 

819
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:49,320
On Can I Give, I was going to 
give some other big winners just

820
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,440
in general outside the women's 
800. 

821
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:56,880
All right, go for it. 
I feel like we enough, we 

822
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:01,080
haven't given enough credit to 
Zainabdoso for finally getting 

823
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:05,040
that gold medal and beating 
Julian Alfred in the process. 

824
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:11,280
Like just to go from bronze to 
silver to gold, just such a 

825
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:16,720
journey to get there. 
And just, I, I thought that 

826
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:20,240
she's a huge winner. 
And then another on the women's 

827
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:25,880
side is, you know, the George 
Underbell, the, the after, you 

828
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,560
know, the, the way that she came
up short last year. 

829
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:33,120
I think, and I hate saying that 
because she meddled last year, 

830
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,160
but I think a lot of people 
would have thought that she 

831
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,240
would have been in that hunt for
gold. 

832
00:48:37,720 --> 00:48:42,040
And halfway through that race, I
was just thinking like, why 

833
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:43,120
would you? 
What are you doing? 

834
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,720
Like, why would you let her run 
away? 

835
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:49,320
Like, go get Berkey, Like, and 
she just earned the hell out of 

836
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:54,280
that gold medal. 
Just you almost want the person 

837
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:57,720
who does all the work, like who 
worked the hardest to be the one

838
00:48:57,720 --> 00:49:00,600
to win. 
And I felt like Georgia just 

839
00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:04,760
totally did that. 
And yeah, so those are those are

840
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,520
my two other big winners on the 
women's side. 

841
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,640
I, I think when we were talking 
about just sort of raising the 

842
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,240
profile of, of Keely and the 
British press, I think they're 

843
00:49:13,240 --> 00:49:15,520
doing a fantastic job with 
Georgia Hunter Bell. 

844
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,880
And I think I've seen so many 
different articles pop up on my 

845
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:24,480
feet or reels of people framing 
it as like she quit competitive 

846
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,320
running for four years, worked a
full time job in cybersecurity 

847
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,680
and, and now it's turned into, 
it's like, I think we're totally

848
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:32,960
bringing the fact that she's, 
she was a really talented 

849
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:34,760
athlete. 
It's the it's the Molly Seidel 

850
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,800
barista thing happening all over
again. 

851
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:41,240
But hey, if it raises the 
profile of an athlete, I'm, I'm 

852
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:45,760
for it. 
I'm curious if she is making a 

853
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,320
ton of money on the the tech 
sales speaking circuit yet. 

854
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:54,200
Like just good going to 
different tech companies and 

855
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:59,200
giving a journey of how she can 
compare B to B sales to her 

856
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,080
journey and what she learned in 
sales and how it helped her 

857
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,560
become an Olympic medalist and 
world champion and how those 

858
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:11,480
skills can also be applied to 
you and your AI generated 

859
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,080
LinkedIn posts. 
There's just so much money to be

860
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:18,600
made in this market and I really
hope she's capitalizing on it. 

861
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:23,560
I'd like to see a Ted talk soon.
Just infinite potential they'd 

862
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,480
be they'd be handing out the 
cash or something like that. 

863
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:31,760
Is Corporate Kyle working on an 
open invite for George Underbelt

864
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,640
to? 
I'm thinking about it. 

865
00:50:33,640 --> 00:50:36,600
Yeah. 
See, see. 

866
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:38,920
See what we can do. 
I just know the team would get 

867
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,120
really fired up hearing about 
how relatable her story is. 

868
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,960
All right. 
Let's move over to the men's 

869
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,000
800. 
So we had Cooper Leichnerhaus 

870
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:53,600
running a tactically masterful 
144 in the final, just fending 

871
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,280
off every challenge down the 
final stretch from Elliott 

872
00:50:56,280 --> 00:50:58,640
Creston, who we knew was going 
to be his biggest competitor. 

873
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:04,320
He ends up in silver and bronze 
to Muhammad Atatahu. 

874
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,880
How do you say? 
It atawi. 

875
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:11,280
Atawi, I'm never going to get 
this thing right anyway. 

876
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,040
Biggest thing that I took away 
Cooper Lighthouse is the real 

877
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,760
deal. 
And it's sometimes it's really, 

878
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,560
really hard to buy into the 
youth type. 

879
00:51:23,280 --> 00:51:27,200
But I think over the last couple
years we haven't been betrayed 

880
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:34,200
by the likes of, you know, Cam 
Myers and his progression, Jakob

881
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:39,640
and his progression, at least on
the men's side, that I think 

882
00:51:39,720 --> 00:51:44,120
we've got plenty of reason to be
excited as to by how much Cooper

883
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:48,000
has levelled up year over year. 
This isn't the same maybe 

884
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:50,600
nervous kid that stepped onto 
the track in Tokyo. 

885
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:54,600
I think this indoor season, 
going undefeated, he totally 

886
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:57,920
proved that He's got the 
tactical chops, he's got the 

887
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,680
crazy fitness to contend with 
the world's best. 

888
00:52:01,240 --> 00:52:07,360
Now the question I'll pose is 
after this indoor season, where 

889
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:12,640
do you slot Cooper on the 
hypothetical 800 meter power 

890
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:16,680
rankings? 
Because the world medalists in 

891
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:20,400
this event, the Marco Ropes of 
the world, the Emmanuel Anonias,

892
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,440
Jamel Sajadi's, they weren't 
here. 

893
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:27,400
So when you factor those guys in
and you factor in the guys that 

894
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,800
beat Cooper at the US 
Championships, where did like 

895
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,400
has how much has he moved up 
according to you? 

896
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:39,400
Kyle, it's. 
Really hard to move him up until

897
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:48,560
he's beating those guys and it's
I think now we know he can 

898
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:51,240
handle the pressure. 
We knew he was the real deal, 

899
00:52:51,240 --> 00:52:56,320
but now the rest of the world 
knows and the way he handled the

900
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,960
rounds was brilliant. 
But you can't say he's better 

901
00:52:59,960 --> 00:53:06,280
than or it's just like when Yoni
and Marco, they just they've 

902
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,640
earned that spot over many 
years. 

903
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:13,840
And until Cooper, and I'm not 
saying he can't, but until he, 

904
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:19,920
you know, runs into the line, at
least that's it's a little early

905
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,640
to be crowning anything for the 
outdoor season yet. 

906
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:28,600
And look, it's also you get to a
certain like when Yoni's trying 

907
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:34,680
to run 140 like 144 indoors and 
143 like they're great 142. 

908
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:39,400
But like you got to, you got to 
beat them if you got to beat 

909
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:40,600
them. 
That's the whole thing with the 

910
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,600
belt, like who has the belt 
right now? 

911
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:44,160
And until you beat them, you 
can't take the belt. 

912
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:50,360
What about among the Americans? 
Well, it's you don't just an 

913
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:56,360
aside, it's wild how many men on
men's American 800 meter runners

914
00:53:56,360 --> 00:54:00,960
now have world indoor titles. 
So the last three years we've 

915
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,840
had three different Americans. 
And then if you go back to 2016,

916
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:08,440
we had Boris Berrien as well. 
So 4 out of the six world indoor

917
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,560
800 meter titles have gone to 
four different like it's, it's 

918
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:17,040
our event. 
I would have loved to see Josh 

919
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:24,000
just in this, but we now we've 
seen that he can, Cooper can 

920
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:28,600
beat Josh. 
So I think Cooper, is it fair to

921
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,440
say, is he the favorite going 
into the outdoor season right 

922
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,280
now? 
It's healthy. 

923
00:54:34,720 --> 00:54:38,440
It's just like, what is Donovan 
Brazier and Bryce Hoffel been 

924
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,120
doing this whole time? 
We don't know yet. 

925
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,560
Well, we saw him race indoors 
and they just weren't as good as

926
00:54:42,720 --> 00:54:45,800
Cooper was. 
So I think Cooper, the targets 

927
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:47,960
on his back going into the 
outdoor season from AUS 

928
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,200
perspective for sure. 
Yeah, Josh, it would have been 

929
00:54:51,200 --> 00:54:55,640
Josh, but we don't know what his
current status is and therefore 

930
00:54:56,720 --> 00:54:58,400
we can only go off the 
information that we have. 

931
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:04,120
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So Cooper ended last year, what 

970
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,520
was it, sixth fastest in the 
world. 

971
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,520
So if we just go off of a 
descending order list like has 

972
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:15,560
he moved like of the five guys 
above him, do we only slot him 

973
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,880
higher than what Brazier at this
point? 

974
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:25,720
Like pre where, where is where 
has, Where does Cooper land on 

975
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:29,520
your rankings? 
Yeah, I think for me, right, 

976
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,680
Yeah, I I agree with with what 
was said earlier right there. 

977
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,640
You have to go outdoor. 
Outdoors is a different ball 

978
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,280
game, right. 
And we know he's capable of 

979
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,480
running 142 outdoors. 
He ran it AUS champs. 

980
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:46,600
I want to see like running 144 
indoors to win the world indoor 

981
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:51,040
title and doing it the way he 
did, amazing tactics, amazing 

982
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:56,080
levels of fitness and strength. 
But in terms of what that means 

983
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,480
for outdoors, we don't really 
know. 

984
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:05,000
And I, I, I just, I just would 
hesitate to say look is he, does

985
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,800
that mean the fitness he's 
showing here? 

986
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,240
It indicates perhaps that if you
put him outdoors right now, he 

987
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:14,720
could probably run 142 on the 
regular, but I don't know for 

988
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,120
sure because running 142 is 
still very different to running 

989
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:23,360
144. 
And whether he would do that in 

990
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:27,440
a Diamond League style pace made
race like how how he'd fare in 

991
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,960
those kind of races, again, we 
don't really know because he 

992
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:34,640
hasn't run those sorts of races.
So it will be intriguing to see 

993
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:38,560
what he does over the summer and
how he lines up against an hour 

994
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:41,960
per when your new year. 
Sajati and and Josh Hoey 

995
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:44,520
obviously showed last season 
it's possible to beat those guys

996
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:46,440
in the right race at a Diamond 
League. 

997
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:49,160
But again, that was in like the 
rain in Lausanne. 

998
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:55,040
It wasn't at like a hot day in 
Monaco kind of thing where 

999
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,960
they're running 141. 
So I, I, I, I want to see can 

1000
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,720
he, I mean, could he run 141 
outdoors this this summer? 

1001
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,400
Possibly. 
Could he just turn up the 

1002
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:09,920
diamond leagues and run a 143 
low and be good but not like 

1003
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,280
featuring at the top of those 
races? 

1004
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,400
That's also possible, right? 
Yeah, right. 

1005
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,160
The biggest thing we're 
wondering is like how many guys 

1006
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,880
are we running 141 this year? 
Like are we going back to 2024 

1007
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,680
where it's like all right now 
I'll remember to all like, is he

1008
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:24,600
going to be back to running 
crazy fast? 

1009
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:28,960
So it does feel really early. 
So for the sounds of it, we're 

1010
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:32,360
not moving Cooper up on any sort
of hypothetical power rankings 

1011
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:35,200
list right now. 
Well, also it's tough because he

1012
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,840
just has school for so much of 
the Diamond League season. 

1013
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,120
You know, we're not going to see
him until halfway through. 

1014
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:45,600
He's got exams to study for so. 
But I mean, we'll see. 

1015
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,120
Him eventually. 
I will say the consensus at Wild

1016
00:59:48,120 --> 00:59:50,640
Indoors from everybody, whether 
that was the likes of Elliot 

1017
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:54,800
Crestan, I was with Justin 
Rinaldi at the airport and like 

1018
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,640
everyone is on board with 
saying, look, Cooper is the real

1019
00:59:57,640 --> 00:59:59,600
deal. 
Like I think last year we might 

1020
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,960
have been like easy one hit 
wonder, was there some Eugene 

1021
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:06,920
magic that happened on that one 
day in, you know, in Hayward 

1022
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:13,160
magic, Hayward magic, you know, 
but like, was it that? 

1023
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,400
But I think the answer to that 
is no, he's the real deal. 

1024
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,320
And it's just a question of how 
far does that take him? 

1025
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,560
Yeah, I just pray every night 
before I go to bed that he just 

1026
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,760
stays healthy. 
It's a it's a nightly occurrence

1027
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,080
for me. 
This is like just pray that 

1028
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:33,800
Cooper electing House stays 
healthy and he will get excited 

1029
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,280
in the same way that the world 
is about Keely breaking the 

1030
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:40,600
world record, that Cooper will 
someday get it as well. 

1031
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:44,760
All right, that was the men's 
800. 

1032
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,560
And giving some kudos to Cooper 
electing House being one of the 

1033
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:51,000
biggest winners there. 
Next one up, Josh Kerr out 

1034
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:55,280
maneuvering Cole Hawker to win 
the 3K gold medal. 

1035
01:00:55,600 --> 01:01:00,120
One of the most compelling races
of the entire championships. 

1036
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:06,280
And Josh Kerr does enough to out
kick Cole Hawker and win by .14 

1037
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,440
seconds. 
I think it was just smarter 

1038
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,880
racing by Josh over Cole in this
one. 

1039
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,800
And I love the fact that now we 
have a new rivalry that has 

1040
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:21,240
popped up. 
We know that Jakob is going to 

1041
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:26,520
be out for a little bit of time 
and so we needed someone to fill

1042
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:29,560
the gap. 
And with the celebration in 

1043
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:32,720
front of Cole Hawker and all 
that kind of stuff that came out

1044
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,200
afterwards between the two of 
them, I'm excited because you 

1045
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,880
know, these two guys are, you 
know, they face off pretty 

1046
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:42,520
regularly against one another. 
There's enough history there. 

1047
01:01:44,160 --> 01:01:48,200
They have the same agent. 
So like we can, I'm sure that 

1048
01:01:48,200 --> 01:01:51,600
it'd be easier to manipulate 
storylines and all that kind of 

1049
01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,160
stuff. 
But it was it was a really, 

1050
01:01:55,160 --> 01:02:01,240
really fun race to watch Kyle as
dubbing Josh one of the biggest 

1051
01:02:01,240 --> 01:02:05,080
winners of this weekend. 
What is the big take away with 

1052
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:10,760
him moving into outdoor season? 
I mean, there's a lot of 

1053
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:14,920
takeaways. 
First off, like just getting 

1054
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:16,680
redemption off of Milrose was 
awesome. 

1055
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:20,560
Like the storyline there, the 
celebration, I loved it. 

1056
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:25,040
I think the the, there's a lot 
of criticism around Cole's 

1057
01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:29,880
tactics, which I don't love that
because it feels like it's taken

1058
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,640
away from the fact that Josh ran
such a great race. 

1059
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,960
It's like some people are acting
like Cole lost and Josh didn't 

1060
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:37,600
win. 
Like Josh, I don't I don't 

1061
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:42,800
understand the whole Cole was 
expected to win this race like A

1062
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,680
framing of things. 
He's he sure, he was the 

1063
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,680
favorite, but I don't 
necessarily think he was like 

1064
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,840
expected to win like especially 
with I think we dubbed it as 

1065
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,320
championship Josh. 
He clutches up every single 

1066
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:56,760
time. 
People forget how good Josh is, 

1067
01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,080
I think constantly because he. 
Doesn't race as much in between 

1068
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:02,280
and he knows that criticism, but
he doesn't care because he's 

1069
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:03,920
like, I'm just going to show up 
when it matters most. 

1070
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,000
Yeah, I just, and he's been 
showing up consistently since 

1071
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,160
2021 at this point. 
He's just always in the the 

1072
01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:13,360
medal hunt, always contending 
for wins. 

1073
01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:17,880
You know, obviously last year 
that injury at World 

1074
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:20,640
Championships was a very 
unfortunate timing. 

1075
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:27,080
But I believe the shape that 
they say that he was in, he he's

1076
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:31,080
just a gamer and he's so good at
staying calm in the middle of 

1077
01:03:31,080 --> 01:03:34,480
races, sitting back in the pack 
and he just finds his way to the

1078
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,920
front. 
He's so dangerous because he is 

1079
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,200
not afraid to lead and be the 1 
winding it up. 

1080
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,960
And ultimately, yeah, Cole was a
little deep with 200 meters to 

1081
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:44,360
go. 
And even with 100 meters to go, 

1082
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,640
even though he was right there, 
like, yeah, Josh had a great 

1083
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:50,960
jump on him. 
And that's on Josh to that's 

1084
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:56,120
not, you know, that's not 
necessarily Cole making some 

1085
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:58,400
huge tactical error. 
Was it perfect? 

1086
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:00,880
No, but like Josh did run 
perfect. 

1087
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,760
And it shouldn't be a surprise 
that the defending world 

1088
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:08,640
champion and a guy with, you 
know, a room full of medals at 

1089
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:12,840
this point executed really well.
So Josh won. 

1090
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:17,600
Cole did not lose the I mean, he
lost the race, but it's I think 

1091
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,400
of it more as Josh won than Cole
lost. 

1092
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:23,240
And that's the nature of indoor 
racing. 

1093
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:26,280
It's why we love it is you just 
have absolutely no room for 

1094
01:04:26,280 --> 01:04:31,840
errors. 
But damn, Josh is he's really 

1095
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,680
good. 
And I feel like we just still 

1096
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,080
fall asleep on him. 
We don't give him credit for 

1097
01:04:38,080 --> 01:04:39,400
being as good of a kicker as 
Cole. 

1098
01:04:39,400 --> 01:04:41,840
We don't give him credit for 
being as strong as Jakob. 

1099
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,280
But like, if he's a Mario Kart 
character, he's Mario and he's 

1100
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,200
just, he can do it all. 
Here's the problem that now we 

1101
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,960
fall into, because we said this 
right after Miller Rose Games, 

1102
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,280
it's like anything, any right on
this podcast and on our post 

1103
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:57,600
ratio, any race that Cole Hawker
enters, he's going to be the 

1104
01:04:57,600 --> 01:04:59,880
favorite. 
He's the best in the world right

1105
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:03,000
now. 
And then Josh takes that 

1106
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,680
personally and reminds us he's 
like, no, no, no, no, like apply

1107
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:08,560
that same logic to me. 
And that's the fun part to this 

1108
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:13,760
rivalry now is that you have two
really heavy hitters to choose 

1109
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,840
from when it comes to now. 
How often are they going to go 

1110
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:22,240
head to head between now and 
say, September with the World 

1111
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:26,800
Ultimate Championships? 
I don't know because Josh is 

1112
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:30,080
very selective with his racing. 
It seems like he's leaned 

1113
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:35,640
towards London Diamond League. 
The mile there versus Cole is 

1114
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:38,360
going out to Pre Classic a 
couple weeks earlier. 

1115
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,600
So we might not get that sort of
head to head. 

1116
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:48,720
Yeah, we're, I'll be curious to 
see where they decide to pitch 

1117
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,840
their big efforts in the lead up
to Budapest. 

1118
01:05:53,600 --> 01:05:55,440
So yeah, we'll learn more, I 
guess. 

1119
01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,560
Like what is going to be 
important for both of those guys

1120
01:05:58,800 --> 01:06:01,200
in the coming months because 
it's a weird year, right? 

1121
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:04,800
Where you're like, sure, there 
are national championships, but 

1122
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:10,200
it doesn't really factor into 
the World Ultimate Championships

1123
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:14,400
team selection. 
So yeah, I'll be curious to see 

1124
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,240
where we get All Out coal 
because it seems like All Out 

1125
01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:23,960
Josh will come in London. 
Preet, where did anything on on 

1126
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,040
Josh Kerr? 
Yeah. 

1127
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,160
I mean, yeah, you said it all 
right there. 

1128
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,320
I think the one thing there is 
that the rivalry, right? 

1129
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:35,800
And the the talk about 
celebrations and it we needed 

1130
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,200
something with with Jakob out. 
We needed something to spice it 

1131
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:40,880
up. 
And I think we got it, which was

1132
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:45,040
nice, you know, that a little 
bit back and forth and in a 

1133
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:46,920
obviously it's a bit more 
respectful. 

1134
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,720
But Cole is not the kind of guy 
who who kind of is going to be 

1135
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:54,320
too aggressive with it, but he's
he knows how to stir the pot a 

1136
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,200
little bit. 
And yeah, I think it was it's, 

1137
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:58,840
it's good that we're getting 
that. 

1138
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,720
It makes it interesting. 
We know that people love to talk

1139
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:05,680
about the men's 15 and yeah, 
we've we've got these guys 

1140
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,800
showing up and and doing it. 
So Josh, I mean, yeah, I think I

1141
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:16,000
called I had Josh for the win 
and yeah, he got the job done. 

1142
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,720
So yeah, we'll have to see like 
outdoors. 

1143
01:07:19,720 --> 01:07:23,560
We know that he's never been 
amazing at time trials and he he

1144
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:27,360
is kind of. 
It is also interesting that he's

1145
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,040
said he's going to focus on the 
Commonwealth Games this summer, 

1146
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:32,640
which means probably that's 
after London. 

1147
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:35,040
Diamond League though, right? 
That's, that's the week after 

1148
01:07:35,040 --> 01:07:38,920
London Diamond League and then 
under the couple of weeks after 

1149
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:40,720
a week and 1/2 after that is 
Europeans. 

1150
01:07:41,160 --> 01:07:46,560
And obviously if Yakob turns up 
to Europeans on British soil and

1151
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:50,760
takes the gold medal, I'm not 
sure that's going to be that's. 

1152
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:53,560
So it will be interesting. 
I suspect he will change his 

1153
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:57,240
mind very, very quickly. 
If if Yakob comes out at some 

1154
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:02,320
point in July and starts running
quick and it looks like he's 

1155
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,040
going to take that European 
title, I suspect Josh will 

1156
01:08:05,040 --> 01:08:08,480
change his plans very quickly. 
You just know Yakov was like 

1157
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:12,040
yelling at his TV like come on 
Yoshu, come on, come on, 

1158
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:15,800
friends. 
He was, he was rooting for like 

1159
01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:18,640
some sort of massive fall or 
something. 

1160
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:22,000
He definitely didn't want to see
Josh nor Cole win this one. 

1161
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:28,560
But yeah, I also don't think 
Josh might care if Jakob comes 

1162
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:30,120
and runs Europeans. 
Yeah, I don't either. 

1163
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:34,880
I don't know if that means 
anything to him now in Scottish 

1164
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:36,920
soil, yeah. 
Where's Europeans? 

1165
01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:39,200
Birmingham. 
Yeah, Europeans is. 

1166
01:08:39,200 --> 01:08:43,800
Birmingham, which is not 
Scotland, that's why. 

1167
01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:46,960
Yeah, he's going to Commonwealth
instead, right? 

1168
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:54,319
All right, other, I guess on the
topic of of coal, what's he got 

1169
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:59,279
to do to get it right at the in,
you know, because now this is 

1170
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:03,120
just sort of we've seen some 
hiccups tactically at USA 

1171
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:09,319
indoors, at USA Outdoors last 
year at World Champs in the 1500

1172
01:09:09,319 --> 01:09:12,920
last year. 
Is there any level of concern, 

1173
01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:20,000
Kyle? 
I mean, no, if you if, if you do

1174
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:24,200
something and it works on the 
biggest stage on a couple of 

1175
01:09:24,200 --> 01:09:28,880
different occasions and you keep
trying to do it again, it's not.

1176
01:09:29,399 --> 01:09:31,920
I also sound like people are 
acting like he finished seventh,

1177
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,240
he finished second. 
He barely lost. 

1178
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,319
He was right there. 
I mean, look, I would say. 

1179
01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:41,200
If I could. 
Advise him to do anything. 

1180
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:44,520
I would be like, yeah, you 
should win the entire race and 

1181
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,279
never give up a lead. 
But yeah, he got he has a 

1182
01:09:48,279 --> 01:09:53,279
tendency to get swallowed up 
right before the the real 

1183
01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:55,680
kicking starts. 
I mean, I would sharpen those 

1184
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:59,440
elbows and maybe not let people 
by, but who am I to tell Cole 

1185
01:09:59,440 --> 01:10:02,400
Hawker how he should race 
differently right now? 

1186
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:08,560
Like, I mean, it's worked so 
many times and every now and 

1187
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:11,800
then it doesn't work. 
And again, I'm not blaming it. 

1188
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,360
I don't necessarily think the 
tactics cost him here. 

1189
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:16,680
I just think Josh was a better 
runner on the deck. 

1190
01:10:17,960 --> 01:10:19,520
All right. 
I don't know who I give our 

1191
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:21,800
title of best runner, best 
distance runner in the world 

1192
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,240
right now, and that's why it's 
very exciting and fun. 

1193
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,600
I I have to disagree with the 
tactics not costing him on the 

1194
01:10:28,600 --> 01:10:31,320
day. 
Like he ran the fastest, lost 

1195
01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:35,840
200 by some distance, but yeah. 
Because he rested the the 

1196
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:38,360
penultimate lap, it's very easy 
to you. 

1197
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:41,800
Chris does this too, where you 
guys are very into the like how 

1198
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,800
fast did someone close? 
And it's like, I don't know, 

1199
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:48,400
like how fast did he run? 
3000 meters? 

1200
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:49,960
He ran it slower than someone 
else. 

1201
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:55,680
So he he yeah, I don't know, I 
get it. 

1202
01:10:56,200 --> 01:11:02,840
Like maybe if he was in Josh's 
position, but the yeah, it's 

1203
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:04,720
hard to say. 
Like Josh just looked really 

1204
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:06,640
strong to me. 
Wasn't like he was tying up. 

1205
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:08,640
It was not like Cole was closing
on him. 

1206
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:12,040
He might have got he made the 
jump a little earlier from 200 

1207
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:16,160
to 100 left, right, but it's not
like that last 50 meters. 

1208
01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:18,200
It was Oh my God, Kohl's got 
him. 

1209
01:11:18,200 --> 01:11:21,200
If it just is another few meters
beyond the finish. 

1210
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:25,040
So. 
So I don't know. 

1211
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:30,720
The topic of like best in the 
world, we previously said in 

1212
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:34,480
order to earn that title, you 
got to beat like whoever's the 

1213
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:36,720
best in the world. 
And so that brings me to the 

1214
01:11:36,720 --> 01:11:42,560
men's 1500 where Isaac Nader did
not win the gold medal. 

1215
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:47,160
Instead it was Mariano Garcia 
who was previously the world 

1216
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,800
indoor 800 meter champion back 
in 2022. 

1217
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:54,240
Now he just nabs the 1500 title 
by pulling off a super 

1218
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:57,360
impressive squeeze where every 
hundred was faster than the last

1219
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:01,760
one and the winning time is 339 
beats Nader. 

1220
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:07,920
So it was now I guess by the the
belt logic, is Mariano Garcia 

1221
01:12:08,240 --> 01:12:11,680
the best in the world? 
Like, well, what do we make of 

1222
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:15,360
this performance? 
Because I even in our preview 

1223
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:17,880
pre we were I was scratching my 
head a little bit of anything 

1224
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:20,640
like he's in the 1500 like when 
did this happen? 

1225
01:12:20,920 --> 01:12:25,600
So I like, is he all of a sudden
now a threat come outdoors? 

1226
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:30,280
Or was this maybe not the best 
1500 field I think we've seen at

1227
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:33,120
World Indoors? 
Well, I think so. 

1228
01:12:33,120 --> 01:12:36,880
He I mean we asked him like, why
are you running the 1500 right. 

1229
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:41,120
And his answer was he's getting 
old and he doesn't quite have 

1230
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,960
the speed to like keep up with 
in the 800. 

1231
01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:46,280
So he's been trying the 1500 a 
couple of years. 

1232
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:49,280
And actually he's been trying 
these exact tactics for the last

1233
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:50,880
couple of years if you watch him
race. 

1234
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:54,000
And he finally got it absolutely
right. 

1235
01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,080
And he did it in a way that Neda
wasn't able to catch him. 

1236
01:12:57,080 --> 01:13:00,840
And he said very clearly it was 
the Yakob tactic, that Yakob has

1237
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:06,000
used this tactic at European 
Europeans and and wild indoors 

1238
01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:10,760
in the past to, to win races and
in other places. 

1239
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:12,000
And it's been very, very 
successful. 

1240
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,360
And he's like, you know, this 
was a 339 race. 

1241
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,120
I do not think he is a threat in
a 330 race, right? 

1242
01:13:17,120 --> 01:13:19,160
That is just not. 
But that's the thing, it's like,

1243
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:21,280
Kyle, weren't we talking about 
this last week or something like

1244
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:22,880
that? 
Where is the pendulum swinging 

1245
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,120
back to? 
What's coming? 

1246
01:13:25,320 --> 01:13:26,960
Yeah. 
I mean, I, I wonder if he would 

1247
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,160
have run the 1500 if there was a
healthy Yakub. 

1248
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:32,000
Maybe he knew that he had a 
shot. 

1249
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:37,880
I mean, it's really hard to 
crown A335359 guy the best 1500m

1250
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:39,600
runner in the world. 
He's obviously a great 

1251
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,840
tactician. 
I would say that we probably had

1252
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:47,400
our levels of doubts about Isaac
Nader being the best 1500 guy in

1253
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,840
the world. 
Like I think now it's it should.

1254
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:56,720
Now it's floating the title. 
I just got to see Mariano Garcia

1255
01:13:56,720 --> 01:14:00,200
hit an A standard before. 
Like we don't even know if he's 

1256
01:14:00,200 --> 01:14:05,440
going to qualify for any World 
Championships in the 1500. 

1257
01:14:06,520 --> 01:14:10,000
So you know, if you can run, I'm
excited to see it because he 

1258
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:13,960
obviously is a great 800 runner.
I love the idea of him getting 

1259
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:15,080
too old. 
He's 28. 

1260
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:20,400
He's just the body just starts 
to go downhill once you get 

1261
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:22,880
beyond 27. 
See this 17 year old in my 

1262
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:24,200
event. 
He's like, I can't, I'm getting.

1263
01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:26,320
The hell out of here. 
I'm not letting that dude beat 

1264
01:14:26,320 --> 01:14:34,160
me, but I would say it was 
really exciting to see a slow 

1265
01:14:34,160 --> 01:14:35,480
race. 
Like I loved it. 

1266
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,280
I don't know about you guys, but
I'm I'm ready for that pendulum 

1267
01:14:38,280 --> 01:14:41,080
to swing back. 
I was just scratching my head as

1268
01:14:41,080 --> 01:14:44,520
to like why the Americans didn't
do better in in these situations

1269
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:48,720
where we typically praise like 
the NCAA system for getting you 

1270
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,800
ready for these kinds of races. 
This is this is right up, you 

1271
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:58,160
know, the NCAA like final alley.
So yeah. 

1272
01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:03,480
I mean that I wanted to see Luke
Hauser in that final. 

1273
01:15:03,480 --> 01:15:06,720
Me too, I feel like. 
But but Nathan Green is. 

1274
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,000
There's also Nathan Green's kind
of race though as well, right? 

1275
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:12,080
Surely he's he's done. 
He didn't get the jump that he 

1276
01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:13,800
wanted. 
No, yeah. 

1277
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:15,800
He was. 
He couldn't find a spot the 

1278
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:21,040
entire race, it seemed. 
Yeah, I mean look as. 

1279
01:15:21,480 --> 01:15:23,880
I looked like win for the NC 
double. 

1280
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:25,480
A yeah. 
So I guess there we go. 

1281
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,640
Yeah, I look like a gene, not a 
genius. 

1282
01:15:29,640 --> 01:15:33,240
I look like I had no life 
because I was watching this 

1283
01:15:33,840 --> 01:15:35,560
during my son's first birthday 
party. 

1284
01:15:35,560 --> 01:15:37,960
So we had a lot of non track 
fans in the room. 

1285
01:15:38,440 --> 01:15:41,680
And when I was doing like my own
commentary for everyone and 

1286
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:44,200
right after Mariano one, I was 
like, and now he's going to jump

1287
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,560
on a motorcycle and no one knew 
what I was talking about. 

1288
01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:49,880
And then he did the motorcycle 
and there it was concluded. 

1289
01:15:49,880 --> 01:15:51,680
I watch a little bit too much 
track. 

1290
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:56,120
Good celebration as always. 
Did you see the home own guy 

1291
01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,480
from Spain? 
The hamone? 

1292
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:01,760
He he cut some hamone. 
Oh, I didn't see that. 

1293
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,920
Oh, I forgot his name, but one 
of the Spanish athletes on the. 

1294
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,360
Start line did have a really 
good World Championships. 

1295
01:16:07,400 --> 01:16:09,960
I think that as as a country 
they're underrated. 

1296
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:13,200
Italy also really good showing 
was Italy third I think like on 

1297
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:17,200
the medal table with Doso and 
with Bataclede. 

1298
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,400
That's like 2 big golds right 
there. 

1299
01:16:19,400 --> 01:16:22,880
And then Andy Diaz, Matea 
Furlani. 

1300
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:27,680
Yeah, Italy had a good one, 
Larissa, I think. 

1301
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:32,040
Yeah, lot of lot of medals for 
Italy, which is good because 

1302
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:35,640
Italy is a very good athletics 
nation. 

1303
01:16:36,040 --> 01:16:40,080
So you root for those countries 
that really appreciate it. 

1304
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,840
One more winner to highlight 
from the weekend, although she 

1305
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:47,000
didn't come away with a gold 
medal, but she came away with 

1306
01:16:47,000 --> 01:16:50,760
two medals in the 1500 and a 3K.
And I'll kind of tee this up for

1307
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,280
you, Kyle, which you wrote about
in the lap count. 

1308
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:59,440
But it's an appreciation of Jess
Hall, who when we talk about, 

1309
01:16:59,960 --> 01:17:03,200
you know, the faces of the 
sport, no one's showing up for 

1310
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:07,120
the sport more than Jess Hall. 
Yeah, I mean, she should be the 

1311
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:09,080
face of the World Ultimate 
Championships because you know, 

1312
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:16,000
she's going to be there. 
So since graduating in 2019 from

1313
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:21,200
the University of Oregon, she 
has competed in every single 

1314
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,200
global championship that she has
had the opportunity to, which 

1315
01:17:24,200 --> 01:17:29,320
includes 2 worlds, cross 
countries, and world road 

1316
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:31,160
running. 
She always does indoors. 

1317
01:17:31,160 --> 01:17:36,160
So she has run 13 global 
championships and nobody has 

1318
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:38,560
come out. 
No one's even close to that 

1319
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:42,800
number. 
It's it's really impressive to 

1320
01:17:42,800 --> 01:17:46,000
be. 
No, no, no, no. 

1321
01:17:46,040 --> 01:17:47,840
Nazomi wasn't even there. 
Was was she there this weekend? 

1322
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:49,080
She. 
Was Yeah, she was there this 

1323
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:49,960
weekend. 
Yeah, was she? 

1324
01:17:49,960 --> 01:17:52,160
All right, so let's look up 
Nazomi's. 

1325
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:53,360
But she. 
Wouldn't have done the cross 

1326
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:54,840
country. 
We'll come back to it maybe. 

1327
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:58,440
Yeah, yeah. 
I mean, Nazomi and Jess Hall 

1328
01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:05,720
deserve like the Sebco Good 
Citizen Award, just always, 

1329
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,640
always showing up and being 
there. 

1330
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:12,520
Nizomi did not run World Cross, 
so we're going to dock a point 

1331
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:14,880
for that. 
But I. 

1332
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,400
Bet you shoot somewhere. 
Else race, yeah. 

1333
01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:24,240
At this point, Jess Hall just 
has earned her medals. 

1334
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:28,400
And I think just the experience 
of being there again and again, 

1335
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:31,240
and now she's doubling all the 
time rather than just even 

1336
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:36,440
showing up and racing once. 
So look, we give a lot of grief 

1337
01:18:36,440 --> 01:18:38,520
to athletes who choose not to 
show up. 

1338
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:41,880
So we have to turn around and we
have to give praise to the 

1339
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:45,400
athletes that do consistently, 
you know, show up. 

1340
01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:49,600
So Jess has seven global 
championship medals at this 

1341
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:55,560
point, which, you know, kudos. 
All right, the other big winner 

1342
01:18:55,680 --> 01:19:02,240
of the weekend is Jordan Anthony
runs 641 to win the World Indoor

1343
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:07,440
60m gold medal. 
I think a lot of people started 

1344
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:10,960
to learn of him when he ran that
fast time in Arkansas a couple 

1345
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:15,200
weeks back, but this solidified 
it, moving him only behind 

1346
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:17,600
Christian Coleman, Maurice Green
and Ronnie Baker. 

1347
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:20,080
On the all time list. 
He beat Keshane Thompson, who 

1348
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:24,440
took home another silver. 
Trayvon Bermel edged out 

1349
01:19:24,440 --> 01:19:28,720
defending champ Jeremiah Ozzy 
for bronze 10 years after he won

1350
01:19:28,720 --> 01:19:33,640
gold in Portland. 
So this one was great for all 

1351
01:19:33,840 --> 01:19:36,120
the storylines I think that come
out of it. 

1352
01:19:36,120 --> 01:19:40,400
One, it's great to see Trey back
at this level, Mika Shane still 

1353
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:44,560
seeking that gold, another 
American stopping him in the 

1354
01:19:44,560 --> 01:19:47,040
way. 
And now Jordan Anthony is this 

1355
01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:50,920
star and the personality that 
shines through in his interviews

1356
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:55,200
and how he interacts with fans 
and on social. 

1357
01:19:56,640 --> 01:20:01,240
He's a budding star in the lead 
up to the LA Olympics, where I 

1358
01:20:01,240 --> 01:20:04,400
guess one thing that when we 
were talking before about just 

1359
01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,720
sort of the spotlight on these 
athletes is that. 

1360
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:12,720
Jordan Anthony has sort of a 
challenge in the fact that he 

1361
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:16,000
has not competed at a previous 
Olympics where he's really going

1362
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:19,600
to make a name for himself is in
this quote UN quote off year and

1363
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:22,560
then next year's World 
Championships for that to be 

1364
01:20:22,560 --> 01:20:26,440
enough of a runway for NBC to 
then pick him up as one of 

1365
01:20:26,440 --> 01:20:29,360
their, you know, pillars for the
LA Olympics. 

1366
01:20:29,760 --> 01:20:35,680
My hope in just sort of like how
we build up Jordan Anthony is 

1367
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,520
and this is the challenge. 
It's because Noah Lyles is 

1368
01:20:38,520 --> 01:20:42,120
already this big personality, 
reigning Olympic champion, you 

1369
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:45,480
know, still running fast times 
and meddling at, you know, in 

1370
01:20:45,480 --> 01:20:49,600
the hundred, in the 200 and he's
in the NBC good graces had his 

1371
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,680
own documentary. 
He's always, you know, doing the

1372
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:55,000
walk-ins and all that stuff. 
Like NBC loves him now. 

1373
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:59,600
I want that same. 
I want sort of like them to 

1374
01:20:59,960 --> 01:21:02,920
build up the Jordan Anthony 
versus Noah Lyles, not just 

1375
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:05,880
Jordan Anthony and Noah Lyles. 
It has to be Jordan Anthony 

1376
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:09,560
versus Noah Lyles. 
Lean into that to really, I 

1377
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:13,960
think start to build up this 
storyline between the two of 

1378
01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,680
them starting this year and in 
the lead up to to LA. 

1379
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:21,160
Your thoughts? 
I hate that they're in the same 

1380
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,600
training group. 
It's my least favorite thing 

1381
01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:27,320
because I think that their 
personalities are very different

1382
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:29,880
and I think that there would 
have been an amazing opportunity

1383
01:21:29,880 --> 01:21:36,640
for them to really go at each 
other vocally for the the public

1384
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:39,480
to see. 
But they seemingly have a good 

1385
01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:43,640
relationship, which, you know, 
we can only hope falls apart 

1386
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:48,600
because that they would just be 
so fun to see him come in as the

1387
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:50,680
new guy and going after the old 
guard. 

1388
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:54,480
But no, I I mean, he ran 
unbelievably well. 

1389
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:58,360
The blood clot in his arm 
beforehand, such a fun, insane 

1390
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:04,160
narrative to overcome. 
And so I think a lot of people 

1391
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:09,080
saw him and probably heard him 
interview for the first time and

1392
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:12,960
just they got to know a really 
fun character and someone who's 

1393
01:22:12,960 --> 01:22:15,880
easy to root for and brings a 
lot of life to the sport. 

1394
01:22:16,160 --> 01:22:19,600
So was excited to see him win 
here. 

1395
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:25,200
I mean, I'm scared to bring this
up Chris, but we we caught some 

1396
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:30,040
Flack on Jamaica Twitter or for 
for calling out that because 

1397
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:33,400
Shane got a silver again. 
Oh yeah, I can see that, yeah. 

1398
01:22:34,440 --> 01:22:40,920
This is, and I mean, it's 
building another very fun 

1399
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:44,960
narrative is because Shane's 
probably tired of getting 

1400
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:46,640
silvers. 
Definitely kudos. 

1401
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,080
Kudos to him for being healthy 
and consistent. 

1402
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:52,400
Kudos to him and both Brian 
Lavelle and all Jamaican 

1403
01:22:52,400 --> 01:22:54,640
sprinters who took indoors 
seriously. 

1404
01:22:54,640 --> 01:23:00,320
I love that. 
But I mean, you'd think if you 

1405
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:04,520
if I would have told you during 
the summer that Kishane is 

1406
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:07,880
running world indoors and I told
you the lineup of who he has to 

1407
01:23:07,880 --> 01:23:10,720
go up against, you would think, 
of course he's the favorite, so.

1408
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:16,160
This moniker of him being dubbed
as like one of these silver 

1409
01:23:16,160 --> 01:23:21,360
surfers or the silver medal 
merchant like I like sometimes 

1410
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:23,680
people run into that in their 
careers. 

1411
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:26,920
They could be all time great 
talents, but they just are up 

1412
01:23:26,920 --> 01:23:28,600
against. 
Think back to just sort of Tyson

1413
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:31,000
Gay. 
I'm sure a lot of the same sort 

1414
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,440
of feelings and framings around 
him when he was constantly 

1415
01:23:33,440 --> 01:23:37,760
coming up second to Bolt. 
Same thing Johann Blake to 

1416
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:41,200
Justin Gatlin for a long time. 
Some of these guys just run into

1417
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:43,440
all time great talents for 
cushane. 

1418
01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:47,000
The unfortunate part is that it 
seems like the one person 

1419
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:50,560
finishing ahead of him has just 
it hasn't always been just the 

1420
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:54,440
one person. 
So that's that's the toughest 

1421
01:23:54,440 --> 01:23:57,000
part that he's run into. 
Plus also just sort of like, 

1422
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,960
listen, we also got our own 
silver merchant with with Kenny 

1423
01:23:59,960 --> 01:24:01,880
Bernard. 
So I think like we're we're 

1424
01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:05,360
quick to also acknowledge that 
it's not it's, you know, Kenny 

1425
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:08,960
has unfortunately come up in the
time where he's up against Noel 

1426
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:12,080
Lyles in the 200. 
It's going to feel good when 

1427
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:13,840
those guys get their gold. 
Yeah. 

1428
01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,520
Yeah, I mean, Kishane, like, I 
was lucky. 

1429
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:19,800
Like I was literally the only 
one there who got to interview 

1430
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,120
him after the medal ceremony. 
So I literally, I got one of the

1431
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,680
only interviews with Kishane 
because the first day after the 

1432
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:26,760
week, he didn't even wait around
to find out if he got a medal. 

1433
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,880
And it was really interesting. 
Like, he clearly doesn't care 

1434
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:31,760
about indoors. 
He didn't wait around to even 

1435
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:33,400
see if he got a medal after that
final. 

1436
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:37,360
He just like, ran off and he, 
you know, he's actually was, you

1437
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,640
know, I'm here, I'm doing my 
thing. 

1438
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:41,000
I don't really care about 
indoors. 

1439
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:42,800
But this was just good, good 
training. 

1440
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:46,480
And, you know, it was a 
championships, but he he was 

1441
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:50,320
clearly focused on outdoors. 
I get the feeling we might see 

1442
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:52,320
him in a 200 as well. 
So that could be interesting at 

1443
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:56,360
some point. 
But yeah, yeah, he he, he's, 

1444
01:24:56,760 --> 01:25:00,800
yeah, he, he's I I like Shane. 
I think he's I think he's a good

1445
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:05,440
character to have in in this 
kind of dynamic with Noah, Anna 

1446
01:25:05,440 --> 01:25:08,440
Bleak and Jordan Anthony, 
there's kind of now some 

1447
01:25:08,440 --> 01:25:11,920
differing personalities floating
around, which is quite. 

1448
01:25:11,920 --> 01:25:15,440
It's a good thing for the sport 
when it's, you know, heavy with 

1449
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:20,280
USA versus Jamaica in the 100 
and there are, you know, 

1450
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:22,760
definitely other countries also 
in the mix. 

1451
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,240
But when it's those two, we're 
in a good spot. 

1452
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,480
So yeah, I'm excited for Jordan 
Anthony. 

1453
01:25:28,480 --> 01:25:33,960
I think we said it a month ago, 
weeks ago that if it runs 97 

1454
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,560
this year, don't be shocked. 
He had that famous quote where I

1455
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,080
think it was like, I want to 
break, I'm going to break the 

1456
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:41,040
American record at NC as and 
it's like maybe you're just a 

1457
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:43,520
year or two early on that one 
Jordan Anthony. 

1458
01:25:43,560 --> 01:25:48,440
But yeah, very, very encouraging
indoor season from from him. 

1459
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:52,840
And like you said, Kyle, like I 
wish there was the potential for

1460
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:56,640
more friction with Noah Lyles. 
And maybe we get it maybe at 

1461
01:25:56,640 --> 01:26:01,640
some point in the next, we have 
two years for that relationship,

1462
01:26:01,640 --> 01:26:05,240
for that, I guess, like 
partnership between Lance 

1463
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:08,640
Bronman and and Noah Lyles, 
Lance Bronman and Jordan Anthony

1464
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:11,440
for like you got to share the 
same coach. 

1465
01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:13,640
Would can that last for the next
two years? 

1466
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:17,800
I don't know. 
And and like, yeah, same 

1467
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:19,920
sponsor. 
There's so many things there and

1468
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:24,840
like, I hope, yeah. 
I mean, in a way, like we, we 

1469
01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:26,800
want some beef. 
We want some beef. 

1470
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,680
We see what, what's, what's good
about it in, in, in other 

1471
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:32,200
events. 
We need a little bit more that's

1472
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:36,320
not just, you know, USA versus 
Jamaica in the 100. 

1473
01:26:36,320 --> 01:26:40,600
So, yeah, should be an exciting 
outdoor season. 

1474
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:44,560
So All in all, we wanted to jump
on the Mikes to give you guys an

1475
01:26:44,560 --> 01:26:46,960
episode of this week in track 
and field and touch on some of 

1476
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,240
the biggest winners of World 
Indoors. 

1477
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:54,880
Again, you can revisit Preets 
daily pods from Poland from over

1478
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:58,680
the past couple days. 
This weekend, I think we've got 

1479
01:26:58,680 --> 01:27:02,160
a couple meets taking place. 
The 10 is happening out in 

1480
01:27:02,160 --> 01:27:05,040
California, Maury Plant out in 
Melbourne. 

1481
01:27:06,440 --> 01:27:09,720
So watch for results from from 
those meets. 

1482
01:27:09,720 --> 01:27:12,640
But it's on to the outdoor 
season. 

1483
01:27:12,720 --> 01:27:17,840
Super super exciting time and 
can't wait for more because I 

1484
01:27:17,840 --> 01:27:22,240
love track and field. 
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1485
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:24,520
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1486
01:27:24,520 --> 01:27:27,480
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1488
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