1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,920 What's up everyone? You are listening to the Sidious 2 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,120 Magic Podcast. I'm your host Chris Chavez, and 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,480 every week we go beyond the results to bring you 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,480 conversations with the biggest names on the track, the roads, 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,760 and behind the scenes. From world class athletes and 6 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:15,280 coaches to innovators shaping the sport. 7 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:18,520 If it's happening on the track, we're covering it with real 8 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,560 insights that sharpen minds, deep dives into the moments that 9 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,360 define careers and the kind of access to the pros you won't get 10 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,320 anywhere else. So let's get into it because we 11 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:33,160 love track and field. 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My guest for today's episode is 33 00:01:32,320 --> 00:01:35,640 Angelina Napoleon, the 20 year old NC State steeplechaser who 34 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:38,840 just capped off a super impressive and long outdoor 35 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,600 track season in Tokyo. Angelina made her World 36 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:44,800 Championship debut, ran 918 in the heats to advance to the 37 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:49,440 final, and then came back with a 917 to finish 9th overall and is 38 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,120 the top American in the women's steeplechase that finished 39 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,280 crowns, a year where she lowered her PB from the nine 50s all the 40 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,920 way down to 910. She finished third at NCAS and 41 00:01:59,920 --> 00:02:02,760 proved that she belongs on the global stage. 42 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,240 What stands out about Angelina is not just the times, it's her 43 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,080 perspective. She left Tokyo proud, grateful 44 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,120 and hungry for more. She talked about staying calm in 45 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:14,920 the chaos, adapting to challenges and soaking up the 46 00:02:14,920 --> 00:02:18,440 love from her family and friends as she raced halfway across the 47 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,320 world. Now she heads back to school and 48 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:23,040 to grassing the cross country season. 49 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,120 We're hoping that this episode makes you a fan of her going 50 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,720 forward. Without further ado, here is 51 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:43,040 Angelina Napoleon. All right, Angelina, I feel like 52 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:48,040 this is so it, it's still to me like such a whirlwind that we 53 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,960 get to chat right now about recapping your world 54 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:53,480 championship experience. Because it feels like it was 55 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,720 literally just yesterday that like we're covering you and 56 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:59,760 posting you about like competing at New Balance Nationals. 57 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:04,320 And now here you are, I guess going into your junior cross 58 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:09,360 country season coming off of your first US senior like global 59 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:13,200 championship team. But I'm sure this is also been a 60 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,680 whirlwind to you. But overall, I guess like, has 61 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,920 it felt like just time has flown by? 62 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:24,760 Yeah, I mean, I will say, you know, people told me when I was 63 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:28,520 a freshman, like going into my freshman year of college, you 64 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,600 know, like, this is going to go by way faster than you think it 65 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:33,720 is. And they were so right. 66 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,960 I cannot even believe that I'm in my junior year of college 67 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,320 already. I just like, feels like I was 68 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,280 just a freshman. So yeah, it's definitely flown 69 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,560 by. And then to even think just like 70 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:52,280 back to cross country season, it's weird because it feels a 71 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:55,360 little bit like a time warp. Like I feel like that was so 72 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,840 long ago, but the fact that we're already back into cross 73 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,840 country is insane. And then I know just as fast as 74 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,000 we're in the cross country, we're just going to be right 75 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:08,800 back in the track. So yeah, I mean, it definitely 76 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,920 feels a little bit crazy, but all nothing to complain about. 77 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:21,040 I mean, all good craziness and yeah, I mean nothing, nothing 78 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,960 too crazy. So I've been very happy here SO. 79 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,560 Yeah. All right, so let's before we 80 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:30,800 dive into just sort of recapping Tokyo, the whole track season, 81 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,040 where are you at? I guess right now in terms of 82 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,600 the people probably are wondering, it's like, did she 83 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:38,480 have to like fly back and then immediately like jump back into 84 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:42,920 class practice for cross country season, like get a little bit of 85 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,960 a break? Like what What is the last week 86 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:48,800 or so been like for you? Because you're one of the few 87 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:54,160 NCAA athletes who I guess has to have the shock of going back to 88 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:58,800 normal college student life. Yeah, I mean the short answer is 89 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:06,320 yes, that is kind of what I did hopped off the plane, got I had, 90 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:09,240 I had about. So I raced on Wednesday was my 91 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,800 final coach tennis and I had kind of chatted about taking 92 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:17,440 just a few days to recover mentally and physically off the 93 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:23,200 race. But then ultimately after the 94 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:28,080 weekend and after I came back, kind of just do some mileage. 95 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,800 I am missing like one workout this week, but then kind of just 96 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:37,000 getting right back into the swing of things, which to some 97 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:41,360 people could kind of be like, whoa, like, like give her a 98 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,640 break. But honestly, this is completely 99 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:47,280 my choice. Nothing's being forced. 100 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:52,720 I, I 100% want to show up for my team and I'm, I'm ready, I'm 101 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:56,040 fit. As I've said before, there's no 102 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:01,480 reason why I can't compete. And to me, I've said in the 103 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,920 past, but I think if you're mentally on the right trajectory 104 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:11,240 of, you know, being able to sustain training, then there's 105 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,000 no reason that you, you can't keep it up. 106 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:19,360 So I'm mentally, mentally, and I'm physically where I need to 107 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:24,520 be to hopefully gain some more success in cross country. 108 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:29,880 So I'm, I'm, I'm totally OK with coming back and getting back 109 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,320 into the swing of things. So yeah. 110 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,840 All right, so let's let's essentially unpack the last year 111 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:42,920 because I mean, it does feel like you levelled up massively 112 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,200 as an athlete, whether it was, you know, getting stronger, I 113 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,440 mean, one, getting stronger, getting faster and then just 114 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,680 proving yourself like at these big stages. 115 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:56,320 Where do you sort of pinpoint the moment in the last 12 months 116 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,600 or so where you're just like, OK, we're making progress. 117 00:06:59,840 --> 00:07:02,920 Yeah. And that you knew that you could 118 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,640 handle, I think a bit more and that you were in the right place 119 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,800 as an athlete, both like you said, physically and mentally to 120 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,640 to take on just sort of like the next step. 121 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:16,680 I feel like I have a pretty clear like line in the sand of 122 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:21,360 when that was, you know, I'd come off cross country. 123 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,080 It was decent. It wasn't anything to write home 124 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,080 about, but you know, I showed up. 125 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,320 I did my job as athletes were always striving for better. 126 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,480 So I wasn't super happy with how my cross season went, but it 127 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:35,000 wasn't anything to complain about. 128 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:40,240 But where I really saw the change for change for me was 129 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:45,880 actually like at I would say one of my lowest points, I had been 130 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:47,880 dealing with some Achilles tendonitis. 131 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,520 I would say a relatively bad case of it. 132 00:07:52,520 --> 00:07:57,880 My Achilles was so swollen. And as most athletes, you know, 133 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:03,560 we just push forward because the the meat is more important than, 134 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:12,240 you know, our actual body. So I had I raced at BU and I ran 135 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,920 nine O 7 in the 3K and that was pretty big for me. 136 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,840 I was very excited. But then I had developed this 137 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:24,640 Achilles tendonitis and kind of had to adjust my training a 138 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:29,280 little bit, started cross training a little bit more and 139 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,960 just trying to rehab my Achilles as best as I could. 140 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:38,159 So during that process I really put my head down and kind of 141 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:42,120 wasn't racing, really focusing on myself and like I said, 142 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:45,480 really changed up my training to where I really wasn't running a 143 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,360 whole lot. I was doing a lot more cross 144 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:57,320 train and we were about a week out from ACC indoor and I knew I 145 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,160 was in good fitness just from cross training, but I didn't 146 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,200 really know where I was fitness wise. 147 00:09:02,680 --> 00:09:10,320 And I ended up PR ING in the 3K and I ran 9 flat and which 148 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:15,120 sounds a little silly because my Stifel 3 KPR is pretty close to 149 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:19,480 that. But yeah, so ended up running 150 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:23,240 that and that was kind of where I started to see the shift of 151 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:28,040 maybe we need to change things up to, you know, change nothing, 152 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,120 nothing changes. So I did switch up my training a 153 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:36,600 little bit, added a little bit more mileage, added a little bit 154 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:40,960 more cross train, switched up my lifts, really just started to 155 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:44,160 experiment a little bit with how I was actually training. 156 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:47,560 And that's kind of where I saw the upswing and performance. 157 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:53,280 And when I opened that Raleigh relays for steeplechase, that 158 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,080 was kind of when I knew the ball was rolling. 159 00:09:55,520 --> 00:10:00,320 And you know, I, I was pretty confident in my trajectory at, 160 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:05,000 at, in that moment in March that I was going to be where I needed 161 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,760 to be at the end of the season. That being said, I didn't know 162 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:14,360 how far my season was gonna take me, but I was prepared to 163 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,880 definitely show up at NCAA's. Yeah. 164 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,680 So what specifically was it in cross training and the cross 165 00:10:21,680 --> 00:10:25,640 training methods that you found? I know for the most part, a lot 166 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:27,720 of people can dread it. It's like, all right, I don't 167 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:28,880 want to be in the pool for that long. 168 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,600 I don't want to be on the elliptical or the arc trainer. 169 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:36,280 But for you, I guess, what, how did you mentally push through 170 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:37,520 that? And then what did? 171 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:42,120 What worked for you? Yeah, so I think on like the 172 00:10:42,680 --> 00:10:49,720 mental aspect, it was tough. Like it isn't I, I joined 173 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,040 running. I joined track and field to run. 174 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,240 I didn't join it to be stuck on a bike or stuck, stuck on the 175 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,960 elliptical. I, I like to run, I like to be 176 00:10:57,960 --> 00:10:59,320 outside. I like to be with my teammates. 177 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,920 So yeah, it is tough. And there were moments, you 178 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,400 know, where I'm standing in front of the bike, where I'm 179 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,080 standing in front of the elliptical and I'm on the phone, 180 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,040 You know, I, I'd usually like call up my dad and be like, I, 181 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,040 like, I can't do this. Like I'm almost in tears, like, 182 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,160 like I just, I cannot force myself to do this. 183 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:26,520 And like for me, what kind of pushed, pushed past the dread of 184 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,120 doing that was I said this in the past, but like really 185 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,880 remembering my why and remembering why I was showing up 186 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,240 and why I was doing that and the ultimate result I wanted. 187 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,840 And then like the concrete thing I always used to tell myself was 188 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,280 like, I know I'm going to do it. You know, it's like I either 189 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:49,280 stand here for 20 minutes and complain about getting on the 190 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,800 elliptical, or I suck it up and I get on the elliptical and I 191 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,520 put my head down and I do what I need to do. 192 00:11:55,960 --> 00:12:02,320 And I think that ultimately played a role into just running 193 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,360 in general. You know, as much as cross 194 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:10,640 training sucks, it also makes you appreciate running a lot 195 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:15,240 more. So, you know, when I finally was 196 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:20,880 able to switch a lot of my cross training back over into running, 197 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:24,160 it gave me a lot more joy for the sport. 198 00:12:24,680 --> 00:12:31,640 And I think that's where I saw a lot of upswing and just having 199 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:36,160 fun and overall like putting in even more work because I just 200 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:41,000 enjoyed being out on the track. So that's kind of where I saw a 201 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:45,120 lot of that swing mentally and then kind of what worked for me 202 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:48,640 physically. Like I said, I did elliptical 203 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:53,000 and I do bike. I'm not a huge pool person. 204 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,840 I know a lot of people gain a lot of fitness off of swimming, 205 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:02,680 but in my opinion, if you're not a super strong swimmer, then I 206 00:13:02,680 --> 00:13:06,520 don't know. And, and I can swim, but I'm 207 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,520 not, I'm not a super strong swimmer, so I don't know how 208 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:13,600 much I can actually push myself in the pool if that's not my 209 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,840 Forte. I'd rather, you know, kind of 210 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:20,880 grind it out on the bike or on the elliptical where I know my 211 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:24,000 heart rate is going to be this or whatever and ever and ever. 212 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,360 That being said, physically also, I never really went off 213 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,880 of, off of heart rate. I always went off of effort 214 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:36,200 because that's going to look different every day. 215 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:42,880 You know, if I'm coming off of a hard workout, I, I may be more 216 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:47,200 tired. So it's my effort may feel a lot 217 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,360 more or less, you know, depending on what day I'm coming 218 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:55,120 off of. So, and I think that was huge in 219 00:13:55,120 --> 00:14:00,360 the long run because it didn't put pressure towards the end of 220 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:05,520 my season of I need my heart rate to be this, to know that 221 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:07,640 I'm fit. I kind of was like, I just need 222 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:14,600 to push myself or, you know, I can kind of naturally feel how I 223 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:21,080 need to do my cross training to be as fit as I need to be. 224 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:26,680 So yeah. 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All right, So then you get back 263 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,200 to, you know, training, I guess what were the gains that you 264 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,240 also saw just sort of in general from let's let's start in like 265 00:16:37,240 --> 00:16:41,760 late March where you do start to rattle off like these PBS? 266 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,840 Well, First off, I guess to start the year right, I guess 267 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:50,520 you're technically your PR in the steeple on January 1st, 2025 268 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:55,760 was what, 8 No No 9? 954 Nine. 54, right, OK. 269 00:16:55,760 --> 00:17:01,480 So then we jump all the way to 934 at Raleigh Relays. 270 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:06,960 Then in Winston Salem, we go 929, then you I guess this is 271 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:11,720 the ACCS and then you go 927. So then after that we got 272 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:15,800 regionals, NCNCAS and then ultimately at the NCA 273 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,480 Championships, you rattle off 916 for 3rd place. 274 00:17:18,839 --> 00:17:21,240 So that was all huge in that span of time. 275 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,720 I guess what were you seeing in training both like, I guess on 276 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:28,720 the track and I guess a big component for you too, has just 277 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:32,120 sort of been like the weight room and making those gains 278 00:17:32,120 --> 00:17:36,920 there that you knew, OK, we're making progress all throughout 279 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,920 the season. And like, that's where you saw 280 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,120 the potential for these PBS to come in such big chunks. 281 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,760 Yeah. I mean, I think that ultimately 282 00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:51,920 my freshman year I ended with a 954, but I was never satisfied 283 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:55,520 with a 954. I knew that I had more in the 284 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,920 tank my freshman year, and this sounds like a little silly, but 285 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:04,640 I knew that I could like I could achieve a greater time or I 286 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,000 guess I could be faster than 954. 287 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:12,040 But by the time we kind of got into the swing of regionals and 288 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,800 NC double as I just wasn't fit enough to actually perform the 289 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:21,040 way I knew I could perform. So that was disappointing my 290 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,520 freshman year. So going into my sophomore year 291 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:29,720 season, I wasn't naive to the fact that I could drop a 292 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:34,840 significant amount of time off my steeple PB because I had 293 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,560 believed the year prior that I could have run faster than that. 294 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:45,640 So, you know, going into Raleigh Relays, you know, I really set a 295 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:49,960 set a goal for myself. I wanted to run at least 940. 296 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:54,000 That was our school record. And, you know, I wanted to show 297 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:59,240 up for anybody who is coming out to watch the Wolfpack at like at 298 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,880 our home meet. So, you know, just setting those 299 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:08,880 goals early and, you know, knowing the leaps that I was 300 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:12,040 going to have to make once I made them, it just seemed like 301 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:16,120 the path was pretty clear of, you know, gauging off of like 302 00:19:16,120 --> 00:19:20,360 how I felt during the race and where I can tweak little things. 303 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:28,240 There were just a lot of a lot of little tweaks within a lot of 304 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:33,400 learning, I guess went on. Coach Hannes always likes to say 305 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:40,640 sometimes like you don't win or you lose or wait, it's loser, 306 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,000 you learn or something like that, whatever. 307 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:46,400 What she likes to say is you can win and you can learn. 308 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:52,880 So that's what I took into my season is I really tried to, I 309 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,280 was having a lot of forward momentum and during that I 310 00:19:56,280 --> 00:20:01,000 really tried to learn off of all of my races I did and, and see 311 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:06,160 what I could do differently. And during the training of that, 312 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:11,000 I kept my training very consistent and I think worked 313 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,160 through a lot of little mental battles that we all deal with 314 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,320 of, you know, showing up and being tired or. 315 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:22,440 You know, having to work out alone, that was my reality a lot 316 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:26,920 this season was working out alone and not just working out, 317 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,200 but working out hard and working out intense alone. 318 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:34,120 And it is tough. There are a lot of moments where 319 00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:36,920 I had to put my head down and just kind of tough it out. 320 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:43,280 But ultimately at the end, it made it made me a better 321 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:48,840 competitor and it made those last final races where I did 322 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,720 have to dig deep and did have to really play some mental games to 323 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:57,760 get myself on the line and ready a lot easier and a lot and set 324 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:00,280 me up a lot better for what I needed to do. 325 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,600 Yeah, I guess like that was the one thing that I remember stood 326 00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,360 out from like your interviews coming through the mix zone at 327 00:21:06,360 --> 00:21:10,320 USA was just sort of like handling, not caving under like 328 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:12,200 the pressure. And so where did you feel like 329 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:17,520 this pressure came from for you? I think naturally for all 330 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:21,400 athletes, you know, we're always looking at our past selves, 331 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,720 we're always looking at what what's expected of us. 332 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:29,640 And you know, also just like being grateful for the fact that 333 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,760 you're there. But it's all nice and fun to 334 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,680 say, oh, I'm just grateful I'm here. 335 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:38,880 But at the end of the day, when push comes to shove, there's a 336 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:43,600 reason you're there and there's people expecting you to perform. 337 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:45,920 And that doesn't scare me either. 338 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:52,440 You know, I really a lot of I don't, I think some people, it 339 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:57,640 can, some can sometimes tend to crash under that pressure of, 340 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,960 you know, people are expecting this and I don't know how I'm 341 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,600 supposed to perform. I like to take it as a challenge 342 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,800 when people expect me to perform. 343 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,480 I take it as my job. I take it really seriously. 344 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:18,240 And even going out to Paris, I wanted to prove not only that I 345 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,960 was a, you know, sub 916 runner, but I also wanted to prove the 346 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:28,320 the fact that I wasn't just some young person that just came on 347 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,040 the scene and randomly had a good race. 348 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:35,720 I wanted to show that I could get on a plane, handle a red eye 349 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:41,680 flight and show up the next day and race and race hard and, and 350 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:45,080 race how I meant it because, you know, I deserve to be there. 351 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,040 So that was big throughout my whole season. 352 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:52,640 Actually, to kind of alleviate some of that pressure would just 353 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:58,080 be to say, you know, prove to myself that I'm a 920 runner, 354 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,720 proved myself that I'm a 930 runner, proved myself that I'm a 355 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,840 915 runner. Don't just do it once, do it 356 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,160 again. I'm very proud of myself that I 357 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:13,800 have been able to kind of curve that pressure to motivation and 358 00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:16,440 kind of help me throughout the season. 359 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,240 Yeah, I'm going to play devil's advocate a little bit here and 360 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,760 just say that I I don't think that as many people are applying 361 00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:26,760 pressure on college sophomore to go out to the Diamond League and 362 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:29,200 go crush it. But like, you have found a way 363 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,360 to minimize those moments and find success. 364 00:23:32,360 --> 00:23:34,760 Because I mean, this is this is really funny. 365 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,840 And we're going to be jumping around here a little bit because 366 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,520 I do want to hear like what you've learned from some of 367 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,400 these, you know, key races throughout the season. 368 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,800 But I mean, it was like, I think I ran into Nikki Hilts in in 369 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:50,120 Tokyo and you know, they had told me about just sort of you 370 00:23:50,120 --> 00:23:53,120 seeing the stadium like for the first time and Nikki. 371 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:54,960 Had I know exactly what you're going to say? 372 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,440 Yeah, it was so it was something about I think like, Oh my gosh, 373 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,280 like was it incredible? Like first team, like would you 374 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:05,480 make of the the atmosphere, you know, 50,000 people and you kind 375 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,120 of were just like, huh, like that. 376 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,760 That was nice. And like, I think that that's 377 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,760 been and now hearing you talk, it makes so much more sense just 378 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:21,240 sort of how you have been able to not make the stage as big as 379 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,760 it and bright as it could be to a lot of people and that's 380 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:28,280 helped you perform. So, you know, kind of take me 381 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,800 through just sort of like how you were able to do that, 382 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:35,520 especially in in in Paris, where like you said, like it was, most 383 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,440 people would be like, all right, post NCA as you get the invite 384 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,800 to a Diamond League and it's a good opportunity to chase APR. 385 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,480 But you clearly were just like, no, I wanted to get so much more 386 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,680 out of that. I'm definitely grateful for 387 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,160 every opportunity for sure. What what you're referring to 388 00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,600 is. So what I had said was, yeah, 389 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,440 it's you know, it's a stadium. It's just a stadium. 390 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,200 Like there's nothing too special about it. 391 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,400 Like we've seen it before, which is true. 392 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,800 You know, it is just a stadium. It's just a track. 393 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,880 That being said, it's also really a really cool track. 394 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:17,440 And so I think taking it in more of the aspect of, you know, this 395 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:22,080 is this is awesome in in the simple aspect of it, you know, 396 00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:27,440 not thinking of it as there's eyes watching you like this 397 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,120 weight of like there's eyes, like look at how big it is. 398 00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:35,360 Like, how am I going to be able to perform instead of just 399 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,280 taking taking a step back and be like, Oh my God, this is 400 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,760 awesome. You know, I get to be here. 401 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,720 But at the end of the day, you know, I hope to be back here and 402 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,160 I hope I can. You know, I want to perform. 403 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:55,320 So the big hoopla of everything else doesn't really matter if I 404 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,320 can't perform the way I actually want to. 405 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,600 Because at the end of the day, the stadium is awesome and cool. 406 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,000 But if I don't walk out feeling satisfied and knowing that I put 407 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,640 my all out there, I'm not going to be happy. 408 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,120 So. No, I think that was the thing. 409 00:26:08,120 --> 00:26:10,640 It was like Nikki, Nikki heard that response. 410 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,320 It was like, Oh yeah, like Angelina's going to run really 411 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:16,160 well. I appreciate that. 412 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,200 Honestly, I, I've said this a bunch, but out of out of my 413 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:26,600 whole season this year, my favorite event that I ran at was 414 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:31,800 Paris. I have not been to an event ever 415 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:37,320 like that before and the crowd was absolutely insane. 416 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,280 And the way to describe it was electric. 417 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:45,800 It was exhilarating. Like I, I feed off of that 418 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:51,360 energy in the best way and I think that's the mental switch 419 00:26:51,360 --> 00:26:55,120 of being able to feed off of the energy in the stadium and the 420 00:26:55,120 --> 00:27:00,040 people around you instead of taking it as a negative. 421 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,240 I think a lot of people sometimes tend to take those 422 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:09,640 nerves as negative and anxiety and it can be debilitating. 423 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:13,600 Honestly. I've seen it happen to a lot of 424 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:18,880 runners and a lot of teammates and it it's upsetting for me to 425 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:23,920 watch because in my opinion, it's like I said, it's 426 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,960 exhilarating. It's a fun experience and to be 427 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:35,040 able to look out in the crowd and see 3 rows of fans and drums 428 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,440 on the other side and amazing competitors by your side that 429 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,960 are ready to, I mean, everyone's ready to RIP each other's heads 430 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,200 off. It's, it's awesome. 431 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:49,160 It's a, it's a, you're like going into war and I love that. 432 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:54,600 So I think really being able to feed off of that energy instead 433 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:58,680 of crumbling under that. And like I said, it's very, it's 434 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,560 easier said than done. You know when, when you're on 435 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:07,160 the stadium and you have USA across your chest and you have 436 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:12,680 people looking at you and you know, if conditions weren't 437 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,880 ideal or your lead up didn't feel good, all of that anxiety 438 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:22,480 is, is on your chest. Something that I, I really took 439 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:27,280 a lot of I, I took a lot of comfort in was knowing that I 440 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:32,720 prepared. I set myself up as best as I 441 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,640 could every single time I went out to race a very hard race, 442 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,360 whether it was true or not that I was actually set up perfectly 443 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:48,720 with sleep, food, you know, stress of school or anything 444 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:53,840 like that is besides the fact. It's the fact that I knew that I 445 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,080 showed up for myself every others every other day of my 446 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,600 training. That's what I relied on. 447 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:06,440 I knew that Monday through Saturday I showed up at the 448 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:10,680 track or wherever we were and I ran my hardest. 449 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:14,920 I gave 110% at practice. So when I show up at the line 450 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,640 and XY and Z isn't in place, I know that I can rely on the fact 451 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:25,880 that I did everything else before to prepare for this. 452 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,000 And it doesn't really matter if those things are in place or not 453 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,800 because I am in shape and I am prepared. 454 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:39,960 So I did really rely on that in those big those big arenas and 455 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,920 those big competitions. I definitely relied on the 456 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:49,000 confidence that I had done everything I could and I left no 457 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,920 stone unturned. So, yeah, I feel like you'd 458 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,400 appreciate this as a New Yorker because like, I think about this 459 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,040 all the time as a die hard Yankee fan is just how they talk 460 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,960 about certain athletes where they're just sort of like, oh, 461 00:29:59,960 --> 00:30:02,680 that person's not cut out to play in New York because they 462 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,440 wouldn't be able to handle like the bright lights or the moment. 463 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,120 And they say that just sort of about like with athletes 464 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,120 sometimes. And I'm like here listening to 465 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:11,040 you. And I'm thinking it's like, oh, 466 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,600 I mean, like Angelina so cut out to just compete at any sort of 467 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,680 big meet if she's just able to kind of mentally like frame 468 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,600 things in in the way that you just described. 469 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,680 And so it's very cool. And so all right, let's get into 470 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:29,080 just a couple of those key races and what you learned because it 471 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,120 it does feel like when we look at just kind of the course of 472 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:36,000 your season, you took things from one performance to the next 473 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,560 and then like they each just compounded on one another. 474 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,880 So let's go kind of chronologically 3rd place at the 475 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:45,720 NCA Championships in 916. What did you learn from there 476 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,240 that then you took and applied to going out to Paris just six 477 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:55,360 days later and then running 910 for PB and finishing seventh in 478 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,280 a Diamond League race, you know, in also into the lead up for 479 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:03,520 USAS? NCAA's was huge, a huge learning 480 00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:08,840 process of knowing how to gauge where I needed to be in the race 481 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:13,280 with people faster than me. You know, I'm not naive. 482 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,960 To the people that are in the race with me. 483 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,320 I think that's, you know, that's big. 484 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,480 I know my competition. I do my research. 485 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:27,320 I don't show up empty handed. I know exactly who's on the line 486 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,560 with me and I know the times that I know where I need to be. 487 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:37,560 So going into NCAA, the NCAA final was a little bit stressful 488 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:42,160 because obviously you have Doris and Lexi up there, you know, 489 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:48,440 gunning for a little bit faster times than I'd like to say were 490 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,920 necessarily in my wheelhouse. Not saying that I wasn't. 491 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,440 I mean, I showed up on the line ready to take first place. 492 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,920 That's always the goal, showing up. 493 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:05,600 I was actually asked in an interview at my semifinal if it 494 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,160 was going to be a race for 2nd place at NCAA's. 495 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:13,880 And that was actually very irritating to me because I don't 496 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,200 think that you should ever count yourself out of a race, 497 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:22,240 especially in the steeple chase. We have seen at the world's, we 498 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:28,600 saw a bunch of people go down and you never know if they're 499 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,240 going to get back up. It doesn't matter if they're 500 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,160 ranked first in the world or, you know, wherever in the middle 501 00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:38,160 of the pack. So I think that always you're 502 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,360 lining up to to erase your best into place first. 503 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:48,320 That being said, you also can't go in naive to your fitness and 504 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,640 where you're at. So, you know, I was very mindful 505 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:58,880 at NCAA's to kind of run, run a smart race. 506 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:04,160 I told coach that I wanted to race smart and tough, not dumb 507 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:09,640 and tough. I don't need to prove that I'm 508 00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,720 fit. I don't need to prove that I can 509 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,560 run with the big dogs for one K Everybody knows that, you know, 510 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,800 you could run a sub sub three minute K in the steeplechase. 511 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:22,560 Everybody on the line can do that. 512 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,880 I don't need to prove that I can do that. 513 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:30,480 I would rather prove to the fact that I can PR and and place as 514 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,680 high as I can. So that was kind of the goal is 515 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,120 race smart. And, you know, gauging off of 516 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:44,680 those two women really benefited me going into Paris, entering a 517 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:50,640 field where I was ranked, you know, on the lower end of the 518 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,640 times. So being able to do that really 519 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:59,560 helped me overall gain on people in the actual race. 520 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,600 You know, people would go out and I knew that I, I'd been 521 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:09,600 smart in the front half of the race so that I could really show 522 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,360 off what I wanted to show off in the back end of the race and 523 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,440 kind of catch people and really get that forward momentum. 524 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:22,320 And I'm sure, you know, a lot of runners know, you know, once 525 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:27,360 you, once you kind of pass one person that last K or you know, 526 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:32,719 you're, you're on a roll, you feel, you feel the pull of, you 527 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,040 know, just wanting to keep going and keep keep turning over. 528 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:42,040 So I really took that into account of NCAA's, of that 529 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,120 feeling of that forward momentum towards the back end of the race 530 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:50,000 of catching people instead of going out way too hard and kind 531 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:55,719 of feeling a pullback. So really, really learning what 532 00:34:55,719 --> 00:35:03,720 for what actual forward momentum felt like and actual pacing I 533 00:35:03,720 --> 00:35:05,920 think really benefited me in Paris as well. 534 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:12,640 And then obviously in Paris, I don't think that I would have 535 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,400 ever been prepared, prepared for the race. 536 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,640 I just raised that world if I didn't go out to Paris. 537 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:31,080 That really, really just sculpted the framework of what 538 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,320 world was going to be like, what travel was going to be like, 539 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:37,000 what food was going to be like, what, you know, staying with 540 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:42,240 your competitor was going to be like, you know, just everything 541 00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:44,720 like that. And it was all, it was all just 542 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:47,840 such a such a great experience. You know, that's what I keep 543 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,200 saying. People ask me how it was. 544 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,320 I was like, it was an experience. 545 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,480 It was something that there are a lot of ups and there were a 546 00:35:56,480 --> 00:36:00,880 few downs, but overall there was a lot of learning and a lot of 547 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,800 growth. And I'm really, I'm really proud 548 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:10,800 to come back and have successfully been adaptive and 549 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:14,360 been flexible during all of those ups and downs. 550 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:20,840 And I think overall, you know, just touching briefly on my US 551 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:26,680 as race, I think all of those races before NCAA's, the semi 552 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:36,120 final of NCAA's, the final and Paris all collectively led me to 553 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,720 a successful final at USA's because. 554 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,080 That was a crazy race. It was crazy. 555 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,200 I mean, there's nothing, there's nothing too much to say. 556 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,680 I mean, it was competitive. There were a lot of women there. 557 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:57,760 And again, staying calm, cool and relaxed under pressure was 558 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,320 the goal. And you know, I tried to smile 559 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:04,480 as best I could through every opportunity I could because that 560 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,800 keeps me relaxed and it keeps it fun for me. 561 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:15,280 You know it it it lets me know that I'm fit and that I'm where 562 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,680 I need to be if I can still smile so. 563 00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,200 This episode is brought to you by ASICS and the all new Mega 564 00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:26,240 Blast. Now I get it, it's tough to do 565 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:29,920 an ad read and listen to a guy while injured, but hear me out, 566 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,440 I'm excited for this one. The Mega Blast is the Mega Man 567 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,560 of the Blast lineup, armed with ASICS latest foam innovation, 568 00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,920 Flight Foam Turbo Squared. I'm serious, that's what it's 569 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,440 called. 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Show them some, since they're 592 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,720 able to allow us to channel our love for the sport at the 593 00:38:55,720 --> 00:39:00,200 biggest stage. Yeah. 594 00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,600 I mean, it's so cool to just sort of hear just like all the 595 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:08,560 pieces that ultimately lead to this success at at the World 596 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,160 Championships because it's like, yeah, I mean, like in Paris, 597 00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,880 that was your first look at Faith Trojotich pair with 598 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:18,320 Chamoutai and like these world class names where yeah, on the 599 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,840 pro circuit in a lot of the top names that people looked at on 600 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,640 the, you know, ahead of the US Championships, people looked at 601 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,840 the race at the pre classic. It's like, oh, that's like the 602 00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:31,320 preview of how the women's steeplechase will shake out at 603 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,040 the US Championships. And we got to remember, it's 604 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,880 like you weren't there. Like you, I think like post 605 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,120 Paris were just kind of locked in on training and getting ready 606 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:44,640 for USA's. What happened, I guess in that 607 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,680 months span of you didn't race. So like what what happened in 608 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,120 that span of time that I guess allowed you to, you know, meet 609 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:55,240 that level of preparation that fitness wise like showed up at 610 00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:58,560 the US Championships? You know, I think after Paris 611 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:05,320 there was well prior to NCAA's and even prior to Paris, you 612 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,560 know, I had gotten on the line or I had, you know, we had 613 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,800 thought about Usas and you know, I was just going to be happy to 614 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,080 be there and, you know, show up and try to race. 615 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,400 Priority definitely switched after Paris. 616 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:26,200 I remember after Paris, you know, I took, I took a little 617 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,000 bit to reflect off of my season and really be proud of myself 618 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,120 and take a lot of pride in what I done and all the work I put 619 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:37,200 in. But ultimately, you know, I told 620 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,520 my dad, I said I'm making that team, I'm going to do that. 621 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,880 That's it wasn't a question in my head if I, if I was going to 622 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:49,560 do it, I was making the team. And you know, everybody around 623 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:52,040 me kept saying like, you only got to get like you just got to 624 00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,400 get third. And I told them I said, why 625 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,400 can't I win? You know what I mean? 626 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:02,920 Like again, just why, why pigeonhole at third, You know, 627 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,040 and I think gunning for the win was what got me second. 628 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:13,840 So overall, leading up into that race, taking it back a little 629 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,960 bit. So coach and I kind of, you 630 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,240 know, obviously we had a little bit of a blueprint for what led 631 00:41:21,240 --> 00:41:24,520 me into Paris and what led me into NCAA's. 632 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:29,560 So we kind of just ran that back, ran back that training 633 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,640 plan and had those workouts. I was very mindful throughout 634 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:38,000 the process to not compare and look back on what the workouts 635 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:42,200 had looked like before. And you know, cuz it's easy to 636 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,480 get wrapped up in. Well, we did this workout and 637 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,920 this was the pace I was at and I need to be faster or yada, yada, 638 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,120 yada. Because I was fit then and you 639 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:53,960 know, I'd like to keep the same fitness now. 640 00:41:54,280 --> 00:42:00,160 So I, I trusted coach that she was giving me faster times or 641 00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:03,360 that she was giving me splits that she thought that I could 642 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:05,680 handle. And she did. 643 00:42:07,240 --> 00:42:13,160 And I'd say the one thing that really, you know, sparked a lot 644 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:20,320 of like for again, for momentum going into US as was, although I 645 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,480 didn't race, I did, I was able to do a time trial and I 646 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,080 actually did it at my home track. 647 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:32,240 And my boyfriend, Luke Wiley, who's also on the NC State team, 648 00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:37,600 he paced me for 1500. And I had, I've told my best 649 00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,920 friend who actually went to Tokyo to watch me, my best 650 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,320 friend, my mom, my dad, my high school coach. 651 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,840 Everybody came out to support me. 652 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:54,240 And I ended up throwing down a pretty good time, you know, just 653 00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:56,240 by myself. I didn't need to tell anybody. 654 00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,680 You know, I texted Coach the time I ran and she was like, 655 00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:02,040 you're ready? All right, I got it here with 656 00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:02,960 it. What was the time? 657 00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,520 Yeah, I ran, I ran, I ran four O 9. 658 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:11,160 So I was pretty happy with that, you know, considering I was by 659 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,280 myself and. Your technical PR is 4/13, 660 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:14,760 right? Yeah. 661 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:21,960 Yeah, yeah. So running APR off of yeah, I 662 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,720 mean the last time I raced was at Penn Relay. 663 00:43:23,720 --> 00:43:30,200 So, you know, I knew that if I had hit APR in the 1500 compared 664 00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:34,040 to, you know, a little bit ago in my last training block 665 00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:39,720 running a 413, I knew that I was in shape to run something better 666 00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:43,040 or at least match what I needed to run. 667 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:49,280 So I was ready to, I was ready to roll at that point. 668 00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,640 And, you know, like I said, the physical preparation was there. 669 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,480 And I was really lucky for the mental aspect of that. 670 00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,840 I've said this a million times, but I really can't express how 671 00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:08,520 much of A support system I, I had around me with my brothers, 672 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:13,400 my mom, my dad, all the support of my entire community. 673 00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,440 I mean, I couldn't go anywhere without people wishing me good 674 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:23,000 luck and saying congratulations. And it was, it was awesome. 675 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:28,160 I mean, even even at worlds, you know, every, there were so many 676 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,520 watch parties and so much support. 677 00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,680 Obviously my boyfriend and my teammates and my coaches, 678 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:42,240 everyone was so supportive. And I truly don't think I 679 00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:46,200 realized especially like a special shout out to my parents. 680 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:52,400 I don't think I realized how much I really rely on them, you 681 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,840 know, just to say like, hey, you're good, like just breathe, 682 00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:01,000 do what you got to do. And, and I really realized that 683 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:06,040 actually in this past training block, again, going from USA to 684 00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:11,680 Worlds where I was actually at college and not at home, I 685 00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:14,280 actually had asked them. They had come down the weekend 686 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:17,880 before I went to Tokyo just so I could see them and just kind of 687 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:23,400 chat and catch up, you know, because I, I really do rely on 688 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:27,760 family and you know, they keep you sane and they, they hype you 689 00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:29,160 up. You know, my parents are my 690 00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,520 ultimate hype people and my whole family. 691 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,280 And so, you know, going into a big race, you always want those 692 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:40,600 people around you. So going into USA is having them 693 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:42,480 there and having them support me. 694 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:46,800 I think almost just as important as the physical. 695 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,240 Like I've said, I wouldn't even I'm going into cross country 696 00:45:51,240 --> 00:45:56,600 right now because I'm I'm physically or I'm mentally where 697 00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,520 I need to be. Not necessarily because I'm 698 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,440 physically where I need to be. I am luckily physically where I 699 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:06,440 need to be too. But like I said, I'm I'm way 700 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:10,640 more concerned about making sure I'm mentally where I need to be 701 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:15,400 and that is attributed completely to the support system 702 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,800 I have around me. It's really, it's really special 703 00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,840 what you've got and it's shows just sort of like with the 704 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,920 success you've been able to display for them. 705 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,840 And I guess like at each one of these big races. 706 00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:30,360 So then we as we go USA is to worlds. 707 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:32,320 OK, you make the team, you finish second. 708 00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:37,760 Now it's sort of like, all right, if back in January and at 709 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:43,080 probably at the times when you were on the elliptical, you 710 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,320 probably couldn't have envisioned like that this is 711 00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:47,760 where your season was was going to end. 712 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:52,640 So getting to Tokyo, preparing for the heat and humidity, 713 00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:58,480 seeing kind of like these races before you go wacky, I would say 714 00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:00,680 it was sort of like things were slow. 715 00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:03,480 There's tons of surprises happening left and right, you 716 00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,280 know, all throughout the meet. What are you thinking? 717 00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:09,280 You know before it's your turn to to get to race. 718 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,240 So I mean, I'll take you back to like the semifinal. 719 00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:16,520 Honestly, I feel as though I relax. 720 00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,920 And I'm sure a lot of other people I I talked to Lexi was my 721 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,280 roommate, so I chatted with her about this. 722 00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,400 After the semifinal, we got back to the hotel room and we were 723 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,800 like, Oh my God, I'm so glad that is over. 724 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:30,480 Like, we just get to have fun now. 725 00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,720 But yeah, I mean, getting through the semifinal is the 726 00:47:34,720 --> 00:47:37,440 stressful part. The final is the fun. 727 00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:40,240 You know, final is showcase what you can do. 728 00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:45,040 And it's it's all out there. You know, you are not hiding 729 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,040 behind anybody. You're not hiding behind any 730 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,320 training. You get to lace up your spikes 731 00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:53,880 and go, go pedal, you know, hammer, hammer down. 732 00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:59,400 But the semifinal, it's a little bit, you know, there's some 733 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:04,040 games in the semifinal and, you know, watching the men's 734 00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:09,280 steeple, we saw a lot of people go down and that was, you know, 735 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,760 that's a little bit. I think men's steeple and 736 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:14,240 women's steeple is raced very differently. 737 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:18,320 I like to think that a lot of women's steeple races are raised 738 00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:23,120 very honest. I wouldn't say there's a whole 739 00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:27,320 lot of games. You know, usually if people 740 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,280 think they can take it, they're going to take it because it's 741 00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:37,680 more risky than not in steeples. So the semifinal, you know, I 742 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,720 watched Lexi qualify and that was huge. 743 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,560 You know, that gave me a lot of motivation to, you know, 744 00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:53,240 continue the train. And you know my my, going into 745 00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:57,560 the semifinal, the one goal was being striking distance of 4th 746 00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:02,000 place at all times. Five people made it from each 747 00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,840 heat, but 4th place was where you want to be at because 4th 748 00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:09,160 place was safe. Like I said earlier about not 749 00:49:09,160 --> 00:49:13,280 being naive to knowing who is in my race, I lined up again 750 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,000 knowing who is in my race, knowing where I needed to be, 751 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:23,240 knowing those three spots would probably be taken a little bit 752 00:49:23,240 --> 00:49:29,280 more easily left me to having 4th and 5th place really to kind 753 00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,800 of like make my moves in in within there. 754 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,640 So you know, that semifinal was tough. 755 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:45,760 We had my heat had gone out slow and you know, I mean, it's 756 00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,920 tough. I felt really good through 2K 757 00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,320 and then you kind of hit that last K and you're kind of going 758 00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,400 for it. Those last two laps are a grind 759 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:59,760 and especially the last lap, you know, I'm digging deep to 760 00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:03,040 really, you know, be where I need to be at. 761 00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:07,480 And that can kind of affect your legs a little bit going into the 762 00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:11,400 final. But as I said, we've trained for 763 00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:15,360 this. Yeah, I wasn't, I ran, you know, 764 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:19,640 a 918. That's a, that's a good effort 765 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,120 for me considering, you know why PV is 910. 766 00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:29,080 So, you know, I, I again, wasn't naive to the fact that there 767 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,680 were fast people in the race and that I may be a little bit 768 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,200 fatigued, but I did everything possible to recover for the 769 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:40,800 final and know that I was fit and know that I was trained. 770 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:45,920 So I kind of let those thoughts sit on the back burner and that 771 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:49,760 was about being adaptive and flexible. 772 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,400 That's exactly what it was about. 773 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,360 Knowing that it was going to be tough, knowing the semifinal was 774 00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,280 going to be tough because you're racing against the best women in 775 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:04,520 the world, but also knowing that you deserve to be there and that 776 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:07,240 you can show up just as well as they can. 777 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,600 So, you know, going into the final, it was a race, it was 778 00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,840 split up. You know, if you move in, they 779 00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,560 making jokes. It was split up pretty evenly at 780 00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,200 like pretty quickly in the steeple race. 781 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:28,280 And you know, I think that was a smart move for me. 782 00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:34,880 I I knew that I wasn't going to go out in a sub three minute K 783 00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:41,560 that that just wasn't attainable for where I think I needed to be 784 00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:44,600 to close how I needed to at the end of the race. 785 00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:50,280 And ultimately, I'm really glad and proud of my decision, game 786 00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:54,600 time decision in the middle of the race to, you know, kind of 787 00:51:54,920 --> 00:52:02,120 take take that lead pack or the chase pack and run with run at 788 00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:06,520 the front of that and see what I could do there instead of going 789 00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:12,800 outside of my capabilities in the moment to prove something 790 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,160 that probably wouldn't lead me down a good path. 791 00:52:15,240 --> 00:52:19,160 It was an awesome race. I was so happy to make the 792 00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:22,200 final. And you know, the goal going in 793 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:27,240 there was to be the first American across the line and you 794 00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:32,240 know, was to obviously, you know, everybody wants the PR and 795 00:52:32,240 --> 00:52:35,200 wants the time. But that's what's cool about 796 00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,720 championship racing is it really isn't about that. 797 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,320 You know, we walked out, it was hot. 798 00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:46,720 It was really hot for our race. There was definitely a haze over 799 00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:49,600 the stadium. But you know, everybody's going 800 00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,400 through that. Everybody on the line is is 801 00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,880 there to race the same race in the same conditions. 802 00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:59,520 So again, putting those thoughts on the back burner and showing 803 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:05,600 up for the 9 more minutes I had to race, that was what I told 804 00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:09,600 myself, you know, show up for everybody who's watching you 805 00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,400 show up for 9 more minutes, put your all out there. 806 00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:18,120 And you know, my biggest thing during that final race is 807 00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,760 there's always a little bit of doubt in the middle of the race, 808 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,480 you know, where you're, you're running and you kind of are 809 00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:30,080 like, oh, like people would probably be like satisfied if I 810 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,240 got this place. Like, like this is good enough. 811 00:53:32,240 --> 00:53:35,520 You know, like I, I'm tired. I don't really need to, like, 812 00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:39,640 push myself that much more. I knew that thought was going to 813 00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:41,840 pop into my head. And I told myself before the 814 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:46,120 race, you know, when that thought happens, I actually am 815 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,920 going to make a move and I'm going to push myself a little 816 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,320 bit more because I'm actually irritated that I'm thinking of 817 00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:57,760 thinking like that. So, yeah, you know, that thought 818 00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:00,320 popped up in my head and I was like, you know what? 819 00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,680 Not not today. And I, that was kind of when I 820 00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:09,280 made the move to the front of that chase pack and started, you 821 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,880 know, kind of trying to put myself in the position of 822 00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:18,000 gaining on the people in front of me and ultimately led me to 823 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,800 the result I was ultimately looking for. 824 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:26,360 So. The City of Smack podcast is 825 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:30,680 presented by Lollipop. If you tune into our shows in 826 00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,680 Eugene, you may have seen me holding a nice yellow can that 827 00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:39,280 was Lollipops new Pineapple Paradise flavor straight out of 828 00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,520 Bikini Bottom. Their limited edition SpongeBob 829 00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,760 cans have arrived. 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Just kind of like how calculated 839 00:55:17,720 --> 00:55:21,080 you are with so many of these moves within the race because 840 00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:25,240 like, yeah, I mean for so many people, I guess, like myself, 841 00:55:25,240 --> 00:55:28,000 like I looked at this team and I was like, it's a young U.S. 842 00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:30,160 team. Like making the final big. 843 00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:34,560 Just sort of like accomplishment for, for, for Team USA because 844 00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:37,240 it's everyone's first time on this stage and you're like, no, 845 00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:38,920 you know what? Like, yes, there's going to end 846 00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,960 up being a race within the race. And the East Africans, they took 847 00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:45,760 off and they were up it, it was a split, you know, two, it was 2 848 00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:47,520 races happening at the same. Time on the track? 849 00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:50,040 Yes, yes, very much. And also you weren't just sort 850 00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,440 of like, all right, today's the day I'm going to break 9 851 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:54,680 minutes. Being realistic in that sense of 852 00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:57,880 just knowing where your fitness was that like you walk away from 853 00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,480 this race like very fulfilled. Like I want to know what's kind 854 00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:04,360 of like there's that photo, I guess that the NC State account 855 00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:07,440 like posted where you're just kind of like pointing at the 856 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,760 finish line. Very gladiator ask, but like 857 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,640 what was the feeling? I guess crossing the finish 858 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,360 line? Like I said, I I had a lot of 859 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,080 confidence in myself. You know, I never thought, I 860 00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:24,280 mean, we say like not being naive to my, my capabilities. 861 00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:33,000 I also am, I like to be a little bit unrealistic with how I how I 862 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,200 think and not even unrealistic, but like realistically 863 00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,280 unrealistic. You know, I didn't go into that 864 00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,120 race saying, you know, I can't break 9 flat or like I can't do 865 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:51,800 XY. And ZI went into that race 100% 866 00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:57,520 knowing that I needed to race, race as hard as I can and that I 867 00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,840 could achieve any goal that I wanted to achieve. 868 00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:05,680 You know, I told coach tennis right before I got on the bus to 869 00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,520 go to the competition track. I said I'm going to be first. 870 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:11,360 I'm going to be the first American across the line. 871 00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,560 I'm going to do that. And, you know, saying those 872 00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:20,720 words out loud confidently, you know, prove to myself that I 873 00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:23,960 that I could actually do that. So where I was going with that 874 00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:28,280 was saying that confidently before the race is, is a bold 875 00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:33,880 move because there's opportunity to not show up and not be the 876 00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:37,600 first American across the line. And, you know, if I didn't do 877 00:57:37,600 --> 00:57:40,360 that, there would be a little bit of disappointment. 878 00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:47,040 So to say that out loud means that, you know, it's cement like 879 00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:53,240 I, if I don't do this, there's people know, you know, my goals 880 00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,400 out there. You know, coach knows that that 881 00:57:55,400 --> 00:57:57,040 was my goal. And if I don't achieve it, she 882 00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:00,920 knows that I'm not going to be as happy as I wanted to be or 883 00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,000 I'm not going to be as satisfied as I wanted to be. 884 00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,560 That being said, crossing the line and achieving those goals 885 00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:12,640 and kind of having a moment to just take a deep breath and be 886 00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,440 like, Oh my God, I act like I did it. 887 00:58:15,680 --> 00:58:18,800 Like I said, I said I was going to do it and I did it. 888 00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:27,560 That picture is actually me pointing to my parents who were 889 00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,360 in the crowd, right? They were like, they literally 890 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,200 have like seats right there. And they were holding an 891 00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:37,040 American flag with my brothers and my best friend. 892 00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:44,080 And I like immediately crossed the line and pointed straight 893 00:58:44,080 --> 00:58:49,120 out to them because as I stated before, there are huge reason as 894 00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:56,120 to why I was able to show up not only there but at USA's, at 895 00:58:56,120 --> 00:59:00,120 NCAA's, at Paris, They're the reason I was there. 896 00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:06,120 And recognizing that very quickly off of such a huge, 897 00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,000 recognizing that almost as soon as I cross the line, knowing 898 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,120 that the reason I'm there is obviously because of my hard 899 00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,040 work and everything like that. But ultimately because of the 900 00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,040 people that surrounded me. That was why I pointed to them 901 00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:26,920 was because, you know, I have a lot of pride in in them as well 902 00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:31,000 as much as I'm sure they take, they take a lot of pride in what 903 00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,840 I do. I take a lot of pride in what 904 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:38,440 they've done for me. So I really recognize that and, 905 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:43,160 you know, post race feeling is always the best. 906 00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:47,520 And, you know, being able to finally take a deep breath and 907 00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:52,400 be able to reflect off of off of a great season and finally put 908 00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:56,640 the final cherry on top of a million cherries that have been 909 00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:03,080 on top of my season. Thankfully, you know, yeah, was, 910 01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:06,640 was, was truly just an amazing feeling. 911 01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:11,800 So yeah, very grateful and. Just reflecting a lot right now 912 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:17,200 off of just what a what a crazy experience this has all been. 913 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:20,400 Yeah, no, it really has been. And I feel like when people hear 914 01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:24,680 this, you're going to win over so many fans and like just have 915 01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:31,840 so many more people to just also join that support crew because I 916 01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,320 guess like, you know, you, you're so young, like you're, 917 01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:38,040 you're 20 years old, like you don't turn 21 until next March. 918 01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:43,440 And I feel like there's just so much more special moments on the 919 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:47,360 horizon where you haven't been shy in the past to talk about 920 01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,320 like, yeah, I mean, like 9 minutes like that could be a 921 01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:53,320 goal in the future, right? There's, there's a chunk of time 922 01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,000 to take off there. But like, it's possible you're 923 01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,240 making like these big jumps already. 924 01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,960 And then in addition to that, this experience of competing at 925 01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:04,600 the World Championships for the first time, like we just saw how 926 01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:09,080 much you bottled up from Paris to be valuable at races like 927 01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,640 USA's and Worlds that it's like, OK, now we have this big chunk 928 01:01:12,640 --> 01:01:14,200 of world championship experience. 929 01:01:14,200 --> 01:01:18,480 Like the next go at it, you know, in Beijing in two years. 930 01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,960 Like, who's to say that you can't get back into being in the 931 01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:24,680 medal conversation for the United States? 932 01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:28,760 Like we were spoiled for so many years having Emma Coburn and 933 01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,880 Courtney Frac's being like the face athletes in contention for 934 01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:34,400 the medals. And I feel like that's what made 935 01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:36,840 this event so exciting for Americans. 936 01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:40,240 And then once there's that bit of a drop off and rebuild, for 937 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:43,800 sure. Like it's like, OK, if like in 938 01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,000 in Tokyo, it felt like the medals were decided in that 939 01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,320 first K, right? Like you see the pack that's up 940 01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:53,560 there and now it'll be more fun, especially in the lead up to a 941 01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:57,680 home Olympics in LA that like, hey, like by then you're going 942 01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:02,080 to be very much like in your prime or not even in your prime. 943 01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:05,720 You'll still be super young for LA Olympics, but up there 944 01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,720 potentially with a lot of those athletes to bring the US back 945 01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:10,720 into the conversation. Like, do you allow yourself to 946 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:14,760 Daydream because of of how fast and how much progress you saw 947 01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,040 this year that like, all right, like those things could seem 948 01:02:18,040 --> 01:02:24,040 possible in 2620820728. I wouldn't even say like I allow 949 01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:27,120 myself to Daydream, like I think about it all the time. 950 01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,920 That is at the forefront of my mind. 951 01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:38,080 And I have no doubt that we will, like our steep will chase 952 01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:43,520 women in the US will be back very, very shortly. 953 01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:48,040 And then it's been fun to just also hear you because like I, 954 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,440 you've mentioned a couple times, like I told Coach Hennis this 955 01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,760 and I told, you know, I said this and I'm like for coach 956 01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,000 Hennis, like it's just drawing up the workouts. 957 01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,560 But I think like on the mental side of things, like you got it 958 01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:01,920 down pat and like you're probably like one of the easiest 959 01:03:01,920 --> 01:03:06,160 athletes to coach in that sense. Well, I mean, yeah, I hope I am. 960 01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:12,440 You know, I, I, my dad has always told me, you know, be an 961 01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:16,440 easy athlete to coach and don't be, don't be high maintenance. 962 01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,000 And I mean, this is like a little, I guess this is a little 963 01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:25,680 like tidbit advice for like any athletes going into college or 964 01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:27,800 going to college running or anything like that. 965 01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:31,280 Like that would be my biggest advice is don't be high 966 01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:34,200 maintenance. Nobody, no coach likes an 967 01:03:34,200 --> 01:03:39,920 athlete that can't be coached or thinks they know better or it 968 01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:44,840 can't be open to conversation. I that being said, like I 969 01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,400 definitely disagree sometimes with things that go on. 970 01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:53,200 I voice my opinion, but I'm always open to listen and I'm 971 01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:57,520 always open to, to compromise and, you know, kind of work 972 01:03:57,520 --> 01:04:03,720 through that. I like to be able to be the 973 01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:07,840 athlete that, you know, my coach can give me a workout. 974 01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:11,440 I can do it and I can text her back and say work out what good 975 01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:13,080 move on. We're done. 976 01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:18,600 You know, we don't have to go through the litany of a million 977 01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:24,360 other issues that went on. I take a lot of pride in that in 978 01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:29,520 being being committed and being able to put my head down and and 979 01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:33,640 get my job done. There are a lot of days where, 980 01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:37,320 you know, there are days where it's a put your head down and 981 01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,000 just get in and get out type of days. 982 01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,080 And then there are days where you know, you get to actually 983 01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:46,880 kind of have a little bit more fun and, and kind of like feel a 984 01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:51,080 little bit more emotion towards what you're doing on the track. 985 01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:57,280 But you know, the days that you want to have a little bit more 986 01:04:57,280 --> 01:05:02,000 emotion, negative emotion, you know, those are the days that 987 01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:06,040 you have to tell yourself, just put your head down, get the job 988 01:05:06,040 --> 01:05:08,200 done and leave. And there have been days that 989 01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:11,360 I've had to do that. But ultimately, like I said, I 990 01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:17,040 think that it ends up working out to where it actually 991 01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:20,880 benefits me in the future because I'm able in tough 992 01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,120 moments to put my head down and get the job done and get in and 993 01:05:24,120 --> 01:05:28,680 get out. Instead of dwelling on all the 994 01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:33,120 whatever that's going on in my brain. 995 01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:38,160 I can, I'm able to put it on the back burner as best I can, even 996 01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:42,320 though I may still feel it, try my best to put it, put it in the 997 01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,800 back of my head and just get the job done. 998 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,520 That's that's what I'm here for, you know, get the job done and 999 01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,520 do what I need to do. And then it's also really fun 1000 01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:55,680 when when you are feeling good and when when you're having an 1001 01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,920 on day and you get to kind of smile through the workout and 1002 01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:02,080 kind of have fun and give a little bit more energy because 1003 01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:05,000 you're feeling good. You know, they're both 1004 01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:08,240 important. But yeah, I mean, as I stated, 1005 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:14,000 I, I do take a lot of pride, of a pride in being a coachable 1006 01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:18,880 athlete, I hope. And and, you know, being able to 1007 01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,360 show up when I need to show up. All right. 1008 01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:27,320 So I know you probably treated Tokyo as a bit of a, a business 1009 01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:29,640 trip, right? Like getting the job done and 1010 01:06:29,640 --> 01:06:31,080 putting your head down and putting it in the work. 1011 01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,480 Mission accomplished in terms of being the top American, 1012 01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:37,320 finishing ninth in the world. Amazing showing. 1013 01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,760 But I want to hear, I guess like most fun part. 1014 01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:42,440 And I guess like, what did you like? 1015 01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,520 Because The funny thing, funny thing is like they gave people 1016 01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,400 what, like 2 days after their event ended? 1017 01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:48,960 And then it's kind of like kicking you out of the. 1018 01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:55,400 Hotel so quick, so quick. I had one day to kind of like, 1019 01:06:55,640 --> 01:06:58,240 do what? Like, yeah, it's like everyone's 1020 01:06:58,240 --> 01:07:01,280 doing the 711 halls and like all this kind of stuff. 1021 01:07:01,640 --> 01:07:05,280 It's like, I got to cram this into one day, go out, try new 1022 01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,520 food. So of the Tokyo experience and 1023 01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,080 your limited time to have fun, Like what? 1024 01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:11,920 What did you do and what did you take back? 1025 01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:17,760 What I did on my day, my, my family is like obsessed with 1026 01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,960 like seeing animals of all sorts. 1027 01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:28,320 Like when I was in Oregon, like before, before USA is my mom 1028 01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:34,160 found this like goat farm in somebody's backyard, like 1029 01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:38,480 literally somebody's backyard. We went in and saw goats before 1030 01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:41,240 I raced because she just thinks it's beneficial. 1031 01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:46,840 So on the day of the day after my race, we went to like the 1032 01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,160 world, like the biggest zoo, I think. 1033 01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:54,000 So we went to the zoo. I saw pandas, I saw like all 1034 01:07:54,560 --> 01:07:59,240 what giraffes, all of it. And then we got to go around and 1035 01:07:59,960 --> 01:08:05,480 see the little shops and we got like just like traditional 1036 01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:10,600 Japanese food, like dumplings and those like big like, like, I 1037 01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:12,400 don't even know, they're like dough. 1038 01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,560 They're very traditional, but very good. 1039 01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:25,000 And I got ramen and then what did I Oh, the the thing I did 1040 01:08:25,359 --> 01:08:28,640 actually, before my final the day, I should have been resting, 1041 01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:35,680 but my I needed to get out of the hotel and my parents brought 1042 01:08:35,720 --> 01:08:39,600 my parents brought myself and my brothers and my friend too. 1043 01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:47,960 It's like this anime world like trinkets up the wazoo of like 1044 01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:53,080 random things like the LA Boo boos and the everything like 1045 01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,720 that. And like, I'm not even into that 1046 01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:57,520 stuff. But like just looking around was 1047 01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:01,040 just so cool and just seeing the like, just the culture in 1048 01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:02,720 general, like everything so clean. 1049 01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:06,479 And you know, it was just it was really unique. 1050 01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:12,920 And the my favorite, I will say my favorite meal I had was we 1051 01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:17,200 went that day. We went like we found this 1052 01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,520 place. You had to like go downstairs 1053 01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:22,240 like this is how you knew it was going to be good because we went 1054 01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:25,319 into a basement. They only served one thing. 1055 01:09:26,279 --> 01:09:31,960 So they served this like Wagyu and it was like Wagyu steak with 1056 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:39,800 cabbage, miso soup, rice with like fish eggs and like some 1057 01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,399 other thing. And you had to, like, cook the 1058 01:09:42,399 --> 01:09:47,399 steak on these little like, like, like grills, essentially. 1059 01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,600 Yeah. And it was so good. 1060 01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:55,080 It was so good. And then, yeah, I bought some. 1061 01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:56,600 I actually have some stuff right here. 1062 01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,720 It's just sitting on my floor, but I'll show. 1063 01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:05,640 I bought all these kit Kats. Yeah, my first trip to Tokyo, I 1064 01:10:05,640 --> 01:10:08,720 spent like $120 on Kit Kat, where it's just like all the 1065 01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:10,480 flavors we can't get. Yeah, exactly. 1066 01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,680 So I did what you did. These ones, these strawberry 1067 01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:17,720 ones, these look very good. I bought had to buy the matcha 1068 01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:19,040 ones. Of course. 1069 01:10:19,920 --> 01:10:22,680 And then these, I was like, these look really good. 1070 01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,320 I can't not get them. So yeah, I got like a bunch of 1071 01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:29,240 different like on little like snacks and stuff like that. 1072 01:10:29,560 --> 01:10:34,840 Actually it's insane. I got like fish jerky. 1073 01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:36,360 Oh wow. OK. 1074 01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:41,400 I know I'm, I'm so eager to try. But yeah, so that was like 1075 01:10:41,640 --> 01:10:45,760 outside of the race, what I did and what I bought Little Hull. 1076 01:10:45,800 --> 01:10:51,840 But yeah, so it was like, All in all, it was incredible. 1077 01:10:52,040 --> 01:10:56,640 Such a cool experience. Just so grateful to have had it. 1078 01:10:56,640 --> 01:11:01,640 And my eyes are open to, you know, how World Championships 1079 01:11:01,640 --> 01:11:06,920 are run and honestly also how how well we have it in the NCAA 1080 01:11:07,480 --> 01:11:12,360 when we compete. I'm very grateful to all of our 1081 01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:18,840 staff and everybody that makes makes competition in the NCAA 1082 01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:23,640 fairly smooth. So yeah, very gained a lot of 1083 01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:26,920 perspective off of that. No, it's it's it was an awesome 1084 01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:29,480 experience. I and you'd know also too. 1085 01:11:29,480 --> 01:11:32,600 It's like Tokyo just felt like it was New York City copy and 1086 01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:35,000 pasted like on a yes, so many people. 1087 01:11:35,400 --> 01:11:38,520 I mean, everyone's polite. They could, they could never be 1088 01:11:38,520 --> 01:11:43,160 New York so polite. As much as I love this city and 1089 01:11:43,160 --> 01:11:46,480 just, you know, being from here, I was just like, we could take 1090 01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:49,240 a, we could take a page or two from from people when it comes 1091 01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:53,160 to just sort of the culture out there, but. 1092 01:11:54,440 --> 01:11:55,040 Yeah, no. It was. 1093 01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:56,840 It was awesome. Yeah. 1094 01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:01,600 And this is just a side piece, but I like we were trying to 1095 01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,560 figure out like why is everybody just so nice here? 1096 01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:07,720 Like how is this like, like everyone's so patient, you know 1097 01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:09,800 what I mean? Like at the crosswalks, like 1098 01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:14,320 everyone's just like you can walk across, but like if it's 1099 01:12:14,480 --> 01:12:16,440 red hand, like nobody's crossing. 1100 01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:22,720 No, nobody's crossing. And we came to the this is what 1101 01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:28,800 we think is, you know, we were told the Japanese are very on 1102 01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:31,280 time. Everything's like very 1103 01:12:31,440 --> 01:12:33,680 regimented, like be on time to everything. 1104 01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,720 Don't be late, actually, like, be 10 minutes early. 1105 01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:40,680 Yeah, be early. So, you know, we kind of came to 1106 01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:45,720 the assumption that it's like, everybody's on time, so nobody's 1107 01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:48,680 ever in a rush, so nobody's ever impatient. 1108 01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:53,760 So people have time to wait for someone at the crosswalk and not 1109 01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:56,840 be like, Oh my God, walk faster, You know what I mean? 1110 01:12:57,480 --> 01:13:00,880 Versus like, in New York, every. We're always late, we're always 1111 01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,840 rushing. We're always trying to get to 1112 01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:06,520 the place the fastest or, you know, whatever. 1113 01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,480 So it makes us a little bit more rushed and probably a little bit 1114 01:13:10,480 --> 01:13:14,440 more mean. I definitely contribute to that 1115 01:13:14,440 --> 01:13:21,200 culture, unfortunately. But yeah, no, it I, I feel like 1116 01:13:21,200 --> 01:13:25,440 that was kind of like what we tried to, or that's what we like 1117 01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:28,160 chalked it up to was why everyone was so nice. 1118 01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,680 Now you got your taste and you're like, I got, I guess I 1119 01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:34,160 got to make more world teams to be able to go explore the world 1120 01:13:34,160 --> 01:13:38,280 and hit Beijing. I guess LA will just be a home 1121 01:13:38,280 --> 01:13:40,840 Olympics. But then from there, I'm sure 1122 01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:43,120 they'll choose some cool spots to go to. 1123 01:13:43,120 --> 01:13:45,800 And this is this will, you know, Yes, you still have school, but 1124 01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:48,120 then, you know, very soon could be your job. 1125 01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,280 Yeah. Yeah, and I mean, LA is a world 1126 01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,800 in itself. So it'll be cool, hopefully, 1127 01:13:53,800 --> 01:13:57,920 hopefully going out there and or you know, just even being in the 1128 01:13:57,920 --> 01:14:01,040 talks to to make that team is is pretty awesome. 1129 01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:03,240 So I'm, I'm super stoked for that. 1130 01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:06,120 Yeah. Well, we're excited to continue 1131 01:14:06,120 --> 01:14:08,280 to follow along in all of your success. 1132 01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:12,840 Angelina, congratulations on an amazing 2025 outdoor track 1133 01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,480 season. And it's so crazy that you're 1134 01:14:15,480 --> 01:14:18,400 diving right into cross country season, and so we'll see you 1135 01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:22,080 excel in that as well. But thanks again for doing this. 1136 01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:24,440 Yeah, Oh my God. Thanks for having me. 1137 01:14:24,440 --> 01:14:28,000 I appreciate it. Thank you all for listening to 1138 01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:29,840 this episode. This episode was produced by 1139 01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,280 Jasmine Fair. I love doing this for you guys. 1140 01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:35,280 So please do me a favor and leave a five star view on Apple 1141 01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:37,440 Podcast or Spotify. That helps us grow the show and 1142 01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:40,320 get even more awesome guests. Let me know what you're enjoying 1143 01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,280 about the show. 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