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CDs Mag podcast, I'm your host 23 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,520 Chris Chavez, and every week we go beyond the results to bring 24 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:24,400 you conversations with the biggest names on the track, the 25 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,040 roads and behind the scenes. From world class athletes and 26 00:01:27,040 --> 00:01:29,560 coaches to innovators shaping the sport. 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,800 If it's happening on the track, we're covering it with real 28 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:35,840 insights that sharpen minds, deep dives into the moments that 29 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:39,640 define careers and the kind of access to the pros you won't get 30 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,640 anywhere else. So let's get into it because we 31 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:47,880 love track and field. My guest for today's episode is 32 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,640 Emma Grace Hurley, an ASICS athlete and one of the most 33 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,720 consistent American Rd. racers of the last two years. 34 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,600 She trains under Andrew and Amy Begley at Heartland Track Club 35 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,440 in Indianapolis, and in 2026 she's already set the American 36 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:05,080 record at 8K with a 2429 at the Shamrock Shuffle. 37 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:10,680 She won the USATF 10 mile title at the Cherry Blossom 10 Miller. 38 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:15,480 She won the 25 K national title at the Gate River run and 39 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,120 finished second at the US ATF 5K championships in her own city 40 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,600 running 15 flat, just barely missing the sub 15 barrier by 41 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:28,200 4/10 of a second. She's also, as of this week, 42 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,400 officially confirmed as one of the scoring members of the US 43 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:34,840 Half Marathon team for the World Road Running Championships in 44 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,320 Copenhagen this September because she was one of the three 45 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,800 athletes who were misdirected in the closing mile of the USATF 46 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,760 Half Marathon Championships in Atlanta back in March. 47 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,600 World Athletics granted a special exemption that will 48 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:51,080 allow seven American women to compete in the race with Jess 49 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,680 McClain, Emma Grace and Edna Kurgat as the scoring athletes 50 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,120 alongside American record holder Wadie Colati. 51 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,280 The top three official finishers from Atlanta, so that's Molly 52 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:04,520 Bourne, Carrie Ellwood and Annie Rodenfels will make their 53 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,720 international debuts, but as non scoring athletes. 54 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,760 What makes Emma Grace one of the most interesting stories in 55 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,360 American distance running right now is the shape of her career. 56 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,880 She graduated from Furman in 2020 with A15575K personal best, 57 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,800 quit running entirely, took a client associate job at JP 58 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:25,400 Morgan, and maybe didn't think that she was coming back to the 59 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:29,760 sport at this level. She is now a 15 flat Rd. 5K 60 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:33,680 runner, an 8K American record holder, a national champion at 61 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:37,520 10 miles and 25 K. She's not run a marathon yet, 62 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,720 but it's happening this fall. In this conversation, which we 63 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,080 recorded in Brooklyn, we get into all of that, what it 64 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:47,000 actually took to bounce back after Atlanta and immediately go 65 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:48,800 set a national record 3 weeks later. 66 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:50,960 Why? She doesn't love the track, but 67 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:55,000 it is really, really fast. The Cherry Blossom 10 Miller 68 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:59,640 where she lost by one second to a woman who finished 7th at the 69 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,520 10,000 meter final at the 2025 World Championships in Tokyo. 70 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,800 And the moment she finally felt like the long, slow build was 71 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,640 paying off. Plus, she will share what scares 72 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,880 her the most about the marathon block ahead. 73 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:15,000 So without further ado, here is Emma Grace Hurley. 74 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:28,840 All right, Emma, we're here in Brooklyn. 75 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:30,960 The ambiance, I think people could hear that. 76 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,680 We've got some background music, so a little bit different, but 77 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,280 welcome to the CS Mag podcast. Yeah, thanks for having me. 78 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:42,760 So even in a crazy 2026 year where you've already been to so 79 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,840 many different races, tons of travel, really busy, you've 80 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:48,440 found a way to sneak in a trip to New York for some basic 81 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:50,240 stuff. Yeah, I'm super excited. 82 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:51,960 I always love doing this so it's good. 83 00:04:52,280 --> 00:04:55,440 What's it been like, I guess like 2026 in general, Like if 84 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,920 when the calendar turned in January, like what were the 85 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,720 goals coming into this year? Oh wow. 86 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,640 Coming into this year, the main goal was to make that team for 87 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,840 Copenhagen and to run a marathon OK. 88 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,800 So we've checked one box so. Far one box is checked and the 89 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,560 other box is in the works. So, yeah, so that was kind of 90 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:17,400 it. Yeah. 91 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,560 All right. So the making the team for 92 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:23,080 Copenhagen, obviously, I mean we don't have to open all the 93 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,040 wounds from Atlanta, but I guess what were the biggest lessons 94 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,320 and takeaways from that experience? 95 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,680 No, it, I mean, and it worked out great, so it's all good. 96 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,000 But yeah, I think I, I think part of it's still processing 97 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,120 because it's what a weird thing. Like it still doesn't feel real. 98 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,200 But I think just that I can only do my best. 99 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,480 And I think we get so like results oriented. 100 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:52,040 And, you know, sometimes only doing your best is something 101 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,080 like things just happen beyond your control. 102 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,800 Like, for example, last year when I ran in Valencia, it was a 103 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:02,840 70° day and my best was a great place, but not like the time 104 00:06:02,840 --> 00:06:07,520 that everyone goes there for. And so that like I walked away 105 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,920 from that and was like, OK, like I, I wish I had framed it 106 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,040 differently in my mind. And then same with this one. 107 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:15,920 It's just another like example of like all I can do is my best 108 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,160 and that just has to be good enough for me to walk away 109 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,440 happy. Was it, I guess, like, it must 110 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,720 have been a crazy gut punch, I guess, when all the chaos kind 111 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,960 of like ensued right after because like one last year it 112 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,320 was the cancellation and this time around it was just like the 113 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:32,480 chaotic drama. Yeah, that was. 114 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,880 And like, I used to run for the Atlanta Track Club, so it was 115 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,960 really awkward. That was really interesting to 116 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:43,040 work through that. But no, it was, it was crazy, 117 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,960 but it worked out great and I think that it like worked out 118 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,080 better than any of us could have hoped So. 119 00:06:48,280 --> 00:06:50,120 Did you have people, I guess, like, texting you out of the 120 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,360 woodwork where it's like, maybe not the people who usually text 121 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,320 you like right after races and like you're running friends. 122 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:57,600 But like, this thing blew up and it was like, I mean, a ton of 123 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,080 ton of different news media outlets picked it up. 124 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,840 Yeah, I heard from at least a few people from literally every 125 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:05,840 stage of life. I mean, like, go back to like, 126 00:07:05,840 --> 00:07:07,760 elementary school, like, at least a few. 127 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,280 Yeah, it was crazy. They're like, is this you? 128 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:11,640 Like who just got taken off the course? 129 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,440 Yeah, I mean, it was, it was nuts. 130 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,880 And I don't think, I still don't think I've responded to 131 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:21,080 everything, but sorry, I tried. So in, in the weeks that kind of 132 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,640 ensued, right? Like you have to get back to 133 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:26,120 training you, you know, you had another race like 3 weeks later, 134 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,200 but like, what did you do to kind of like mentally tune out 135 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,360 everything, you know, kind of in the aftermath? 136 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,680 I mean, the things were being decided by people in rooms and 137 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:36,840 meetings and all that kind of stuff. 138 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,800 And like your job I guess like is to just get back to running. 139 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:42,920 But was that difficult? Well, it was the only thing that 140 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,440 I felt like I could do. Yeah, because it felt a little 141 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,080 silly to like, throw up my hands and be like, like, I hope you 142 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,840 figure it out. Like the thing that kind of like 143 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,360 kept me going was that there was a 5K in Indianapolis in May that 144 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,160 I was already planning to do. And I was like, I have no 145 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,400 business making that team, but maybe. 146 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,000 And my coach, of course was like, well, of course you'll 147 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,160 make the team. Like, you know, if we want to be 148 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,520 in 5K shape, we can. But no. 149 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,920 So that was that was kind of my focus then shifted to the 5K and 150 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,640 it was all settled before then. So it was fine. 151 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,520 But it felt like the only thing I could do was like get back to 152 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,760 running. So when did the 8 Ki guess get 153 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:23,440 added into the calendar? That was already in the calendar 154 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,160 because my friends were doing it and I thought it would be fun to 155 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,680 go and like hang out with my friends in Chicago. 156 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,200 So what? How does that then all of a 157 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:33,960 sudden turn into a full on American record? 158 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:41,400 Well, OK, so I had told Ray, my agent like before the half in 159 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:45,760 early February, I was like, I think it'll take like an A minus 160 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,520 day to get the record. Like talk like let's think 161 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,040 through drug testing being there. 162 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:56,360 And so I, it was on my mind, but it was also not something that I 163 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,040 was like, oh, I'm going to run 450 twos. 164 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:01,640 Like I really just wanted to have fun. 165 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:05,680 I just thought that like in having fun, I could do it 166 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:10,440 because I knew exactly what guy, that's my friend to be exact, to 167 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,520 be just 50 meters behind. So I had a person that I knew I 168 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,680 could run with, and if they were within 100 meters, I would get 169 00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:22,120 it. So that was like kind of on my 170 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:23,920 mind before. But it was never like, oh, I'm 171 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:25,360 going to go run this American Record. 172 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,560 It's like I'm going to go hang out with my friends. 173 00:09:27,560 --> 00:09:30,520 And if I run the way I know I can, like, I know who to watch 174 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:32,920 to get there. Have you always had fun and just 175 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,360 sort of your best performing races or are there moments where 176 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:39,360 sort of like, you know, the pain, the suffering takes over 177 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,760 for a bit? Oh, I mean, everything's hard. 178 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:45,480 There's a lot of suffering. But no, I do feel like usually 179 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,400 when I do best it's it's just fun and I'm just trying to do my 180 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,720 best. Gina was there, you know, at the 181 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,000 finish line. You broke her record, fellow 182 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,600 ASICS athlete. I guess, like, what was sort of 183 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,200 like that? Like, to have just sort of like 184 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:59,640 that connection? I mean, it wasn't the first time 185 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:00,760 necessarily. You met her, right? 186 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,960 I think it was it was that morning in the so she's like 187 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:06,440 probably the only professional runner that I still get like 188 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:08,280 really starstruck around. OK, so no. 189 00:10:09,560 --> 00:10:14,960 So she, someone like walked her up to me in the tent before the 190 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,720 race. Tracy with Chicago Marathon 191 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,280 walked her up to me in the tent before the race and was like, 192 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,560 this is Dina, 'cause I had emailed her and was like, I'm so 193 00:10:23,560 --> 00:10:25,840 intimidated. I just saw she was coming 194 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:31,320 anyway, so I got to meet her before and that was crazy. 195 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:35,400 I actually do think I had like met her briefly in the Hilton 196 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,200 here in New York, like one of the marathon weekends. 197 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:40,920 But there's no way she remembered that. 198 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:44,480 Like, that was purely in my mind, so that was really cool. 199 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:47,280 And yeah, for her to be at the finish line was just awesome. 200 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,160 Did you read her book? Like where does sort of like the 201 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,280 legend sort of starstruckness come from? 202 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,480 I don't read running books. OK, fair as a general rule. 203 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,160 I'd running books so that that's. 204 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,200 Oh, I'm so sorry. No, like reading is my pleasure 205 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,280 time and I have to separate work and pleasure. 206 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,720 OK, that said, I should read her book. 207 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:09,840 What do you like to read? I like to read any. 208 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,320 I mean, I like to read historical fiction. 209 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,560 I like to read romance. I like to read like fluffy 210 00:11:14,560 --> 00:11:17,960 summer books. Yeah, a little bit of 211 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:22,480 everything, just it has to be like separated from I at the 212 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,640 airport this morning got wild dark shore. 213 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,240 Yeah, A lot of people liked it. It's a little bit out there. 214 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,960 It's like naturey, almost like dystopian. 215 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,480 It's interesting. I don't know if I love it, but 216 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,600 got me through the flight OK. Well then, OK, so going back to 217 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:43,520 Dina then, yeah, where does the sort of the the allure around 218 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,320 her and the mystique come from? Because I don't think we've 219 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:50,120 gotten close to what she did in the marathon with super shoes 220 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:51,440 yet. Like, I think she's the one 221 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:56,200 person that's still like, like has separated herself from every 222 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,320 other American woman ever. And I'm not saying that like, 223 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,960 the people who hold the record and have since her don't deserve 224 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,960 it because they do. They ran faster and that's 225 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,120 amazing. And I do think that like if you, 226 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:12,040 if all things are equal, like what Dina did was just, I don't 227 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:14,200 think we've gotten there yet. Yeah, no, I just sort of like, 228 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,080 you know, cuz in in writing my writing book that you won't read 229 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:19,000 I. Maybe. 230 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:25,200 I talked to Dina about just sort of, and I heard the 2000 and 4 231 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,360 Olympic marathon story of just sort of like her training that 232 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:29,920 went into it. And she basically turned, I 233 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,280 think the way I titled her chapter in the book is like how 234 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,000 she turned like that the most grueling like Olympic marathon 235 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:38,960 into like this game of Pac-Man where like she was just like 236 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,360 eating up her competitors like in the late stages of the race. 237 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:44,200 And I don't necessarily think that the way she closed that 238 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,520 race. Like she even admits like she 239 00:12:46,520 --> 00:12:49,040 had more left in the tank. And it's kind of crazy. 240 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:51,800 Just sort of the level that she was performing at, like you 241 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,920 said, just sort of before all these technological advances. 242 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,480 And I think it just kind of goes into more of the type of 243 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,640 athletes she wasn't training and just sort of like bringing that 244 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,880 sort of like intensity every single day. 245 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,560 Like she left no stone unturned. And I think like, that's still 246 00:13:06,560 --> 00:13:10,560 like super, super admirable and like, you know, kind of crosses 247 00:13:10,560 --> 00:13:12,120 over from generation to generation. 248 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:15,600 I think like still, you know, kind of except makes her one of 249 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,880 the greatest ever. Yeah, no, I agree. 250 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:22,080 So that was that was insane to finally meet her officially. 251 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,040 But yeah, no, she's, she's amazing. 252 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,920 So when you break her record and you see her at the finish line, 253 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,000 I think there's a photo of a hug. 254 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:33,000 But I guess like what was sad? Oh, I don't even remember. 255 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,920 She told me to celebrate because I was kind of like shell 256 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:39,240 shocked. And OK, this is where the 257 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,880 Atlanta thing got me. I don't trust anything at races 258 00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:44,720 anymore. Like in that one, like I think 259 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,600 there's a video and you see me checking my watch like 3 times 260 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:49,640 in the last hundred. I'm not trusting the clock. 261 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:54,800 Like I'm like if I finish and they're wrong, I want to know. 262 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,920 And so, yeah, so I was still just kind of like shocked that 263 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:00,680 it happened at all, especially because my second to last 400 264 00:14:00,680 --> 00:14:04,000 was somewhere between 6:40 and seven minute pace. 265 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,680 It was really windy. It was really, really windy. 266 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:11,520 So I was just shocked and I don't remember except for that. 267 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:13,520 She told me to celebrate. There we go. 268 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,680 I mean, well, that's fantastic advice from Dina. 269 00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:19,880 So it's, it's so interesting to see just sort of like the 270 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,640 approach that you've taken just sort of with all these races is 271 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:27,600 that it feels like when you've nailed the half marathon, which 272 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:31,680 I guess like so far has been the farthest that you've gone 25K. 273 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:34,480 25K, yeah. But I mean, you're nailing these 274 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,280 distances and you're working your way back to the shorter 275 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:41,480 ones and now running PRS at the shorter distances. 276 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,080 Like you left the track, I think like what was it 2 years ago? 277 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,520 And you were still running like 15 hundreds at the time, right? 278 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:49,120 Yeah. So when I first moved to 279 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,640 Indiana, I had two teammates there and I wanted to run 15 280 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:56,560 hundreds because then we would all three be doing things I had. 281 00:14:56,560 --> 00:15:00,800 No, there were like there no part of me thought I was good at 282 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,680 it or should be doing it. It was just because then we 283 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,320 would all three be in the same meets. 284 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,120 Yeah. And so at some point things 285 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,320 changed and then you had to, you went just all right, straight to 286 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:12,880 the roads and we're not going back to the track. 287 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,400 What was that sort of like thought process and and decision 288 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,160 making like? Well, I hate track. 289 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,640 I I hate the experience of it for myself. 290 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:25,960 I love watching it and I love like the sport, but I don't 291 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,640 enjoy running track. I really like running on the 292 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:29,920 roads. It feels really free. 293 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:35,840 It feels really fun. I'm too anxious to see the lap 294 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:37,400 counter and the splits every lap. 295 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:42,160 Like I can't turn off the calculator part of my brain and 296 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:48,120 it just spirals it's so bad. So no, it it just mentally I do 297 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,400 a lot better on the roads. Like I think physically I think 298 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,360 I'm capable, but mentally it's not good. 299 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,640 When you close the book on your track career, like is there one 300 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:58,920 race that you're like, OK, you know what? 301 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:03,280 Like that's my favorite track race of, you know, I hate track, 302 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,240 but I have that one favorite race. 303 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:11,080 I liked Raleigh Relays a lot. Yeah, I liked Raleigh Relays. 304 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,040 Oh, I got to run Oregon Twilight the last year that it was in 305 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:19,320 historic Hayward. That was super cool. 306 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:19,760 Yeah. Yeah. 307 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:23,520 Yeah. So once you decided to go all in 308 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,440 on the roads, like did how much did training change? 309 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:30,360 And then, like when you sat down with Amy and Andrew just to kind 310 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:33,000 of like, look at just sort of what the next phase of your 311 00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:34,920 career would look like, What was the plan? 312 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:40,120 Yeah, So it's really interesting because Andrew's like, weirdly 313 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,720 good at, like, seeing talent. And he's told me since, like, 314 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,120 2021 he was like, oh, we'll be in a position in 2028. 315 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,520 Like, don't even worry about it. Like we're just going to take 316 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:52,720 baby steps to get there. And I thought he was crazy until 317 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,440 maybe a year ago. So training has always been like 318 00:16:56,440 --> 00:17:00,640 a gradual build to the marathon. And it just depends on, like, 319 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,280 what races are on the calendar. But it's more just always been 320 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,760 like this gradual build to like nailing marathons and half 321 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:09,319 marathons. When two years ago you, you 322 00:17:09,319 --> 00:17:12,560 know, were running 15 hundreds, not enjoying time on the track, 323 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:14,240 I guess like. I had fun with my friends 324 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:15,640 though, yeah. That's important. 325 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:21,200 What was it I guess that drew you, I guess like to like, did 326 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,480 the concept of running a marathon feel daunting at any 327 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:26,800 point or was it just sort of like, all right, that's exciting 328 00:17:26,839 --> 00:17:30,760 and also kind of nerve racking? So the first marathon finish 329 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,480 line I think I was sitting at was the hot year in New York. 330 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:40,520 OK, that was 2021. 22 maybe. So it was really, really 331 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:43,920 daunting. And now that I've like done more 332 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,200 and like raced longer, I'm like, OK, like, I think it'll be fine. 333 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,280 So it was really daunting, but not so much anymore. 334 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,680 Elements of the training though, like when you anticipate that 335 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:57,400 your mileage is gonna have to go up, the workouts are gonna get 336 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,760 longer and tougher. I mean, sounds like sounds 337 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,080 exciting to you. It sounds really exciting to me. 338 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:06,520 Yes, Well, I was. So he already put in like my 339 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,480 entire marathon block into like final Surge, which is I'm pretty 340 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,200 sure everyone listening probably knows what that is. 341 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:16,880 And for the most part it's just like another baby step. 342 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:20,640 Like it really has been a really like gradual working up to it 343 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,360 for like 6 years. Yeah, where did you get this 344 00:18:23,360 --> 00:18:27,200 patience, you know, to take your time to commit to the marathon 345 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,920 because some people right, like they want to ride out like their 346 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:35,040 track career for as long as possible and then, you know, it 347 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,960 gradual steps with the 5K10K half marathon and eventually the 348 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,160 marathon. But but nowadays I feel like so 349 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:43,960 many people are skipping those Rd. distances or having it 350 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,680 overlap with the track then jumping into the marathon. 351 00:18:47,120 --> 00:18:49,760 Yeah, I think I've just trusted Andrew that he knows what he's 352 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,960 doing because I saw it work out for other people before me. 353 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,920 Like, I saw people at Atlanta Track Club run probably better 354 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:59,960 than they would have thought when they first signed. 355 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:03,680 And granted, on the track, it's a little quicker. 356 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:06,280 Like it's not so much of like a long build to the event. 357 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,840 But I saw that if they just like, trusted the plan and the 358 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,680 process and everything that it would happen. 359 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:15,320 And so I think I've just always like trusted that if it happened 360 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,240 for them, it would happen for me too. 361 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:23,120 And so, yeah, it's hard to be patient and like keep especially 362 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:29,120 like I remember in 2024, I was starting to get better at it and 363 00:19:29,120 --> 00:19:31,360 starting to like race the way I wanted, but I wasn't quite 364 00:19:31,360 --> 00:19:32,760 there. And I would like, consciously 365 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:36,400 say like, I'm not, I know I'm not like doing enough yet to 366 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:40,200 race the way I want to race. And so that was a tough period 367 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:43,040 where I like had like tastes of being where I wanted to be, but 368 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,840 it wasn't, I wasn't doing enough to like really be there yet. 369 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,160 And so that was like a hard period when I like started to 370 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:53,000 kind of like see it, I guess you could say. 371 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,560 But no, I just always like trusted the plan. 372 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,960 When did you, OK, when did you start to I guess like kind of 373 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:05,080 feel like you were on the the better side of like going kind 374 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:06,680 of going through that process? Yeah. 375 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,640 So I think it kind of was in phases. 376 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:14,680 So early in 2023, I got second at Gate River Run and then third 377 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,920 at Cherry Blossom. And I was kind of like, OK, But 378 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:20,840 then just things were kind of stressful. 379 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,400 I knew I was moving at the end of the year and like that didn't 380 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,840 really come back until later in 2024. 381 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:30,120 So there was like a full year there where I was like, I was 382 00:20:30,120 --> 00:20:33,680 there now I can't get back. And it was just a little tough, 383 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,800 but. 2025 is when I think everyone starts to see the 384 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,800 results that are reflecting that, like you're trending 385 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,640 upward. Like, yeah, that was probably 386 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,320 where I started being consistent, yeah. 387 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,160 What led to the consistency in? Was it in the training or did 388 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,800 you start to feel, I think, just even more comfortable on the 389 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,000 roads? Yeah, I think it was consistency 390 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:59,840 over time also that like I had had lower leg injuries almost 391 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:03,280 like every three to six months since 2019. 392 00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:08,080 So like that was the first time. And I, I mean, I'm here for an 393 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,320 ASICS event. So like, but like the only real 394 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,160 difference other than like moving was that like I change 395 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:14,920 shoes. Yeah. 396 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,480 Yeah. And you would think moving, if 397 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,840 anything, would make me like more susceptible to injury. 398 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,000 So that was the first time I was able to string together like 399 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,080 more than six months without like pulling my calf. 400 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:28,480 So I think partially it was that. 401 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,920 When did you graduate college? Was it 2020? 402 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,880 2020 yeah, I didn't run right out of college. 403 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,040 I I took a break. I had like a grown up job. 404 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,080 Remind me I guess like what was what was the grown up job? 405 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:46,880 When I quit to take my Atlanta track Club contract for $0.00, 406 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,360 at the time I was working as a client associate at JP Morgan. 407 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,360 So I'm like, like, think about like a financial advisor and 408 00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:55,920 then he has like 2 girls that work for him. 409 00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:59,680 I was one of those. So it was really funny because 410 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,840 like I was dealing with money all day long. 411 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,760 I was dealing with high net worth individuals and I'm 412 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,920 quitting to go like make no money. 413 00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,600 But it was like I was 23 years old. 414 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,400 Like I'd been out of college for a year and a half. 415 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,560 Like it was a great decision. I stand by it. 416 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:17,560 It was a little scary at the time, but I knew that if it was 417 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:21,240 gonna happen like it needed to be then, so it was great. 418 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,720 In a way just sort of like that break away, I guess. 419 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,760 Like, how much was it a total break from the sport in that 420 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:30,560 period? Because yeah, it was a total 421 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:32,240 break. I did not think I was coming 422 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,400 back. And I guess like, maybe not to 423 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:39,960 directly equated to like Jess McClain, but like when people 424 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,400 saw her just sort of like, well, I guess like for me, when I saw 425 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,040 her name pop up on the results at the trials in 2024, I was 426 00:22:45,040 --> 00:22:47,920 like, whoa, where has she been like all this whole time? 427 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,320 And so she's obviously like talked about just sort of like 428 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,840 what that period away from the professional and high level the 429 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,920 sport did for her. And so like sometimes I guess 430 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,440 like people I guess can realize like it is totally fine and 431 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,480 healthy to take an extended break, whether it's for injury 432 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,760 or for I guess like jobs, you know, and, and real life 433 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,720 sometimes. And I think it gives me more 434 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,480 like gratitude in the day-to-day because sometimes I literally 435 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,920 think to myself when workouts are hard, like, gosh darn it, 436 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,760 you could be staring at a spreadsheet right now. 437 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,920 And then I get pretty happy about what I'm doing. 438 00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:21,000 So I really do think that like it's given me a lot like just 439 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,000 even mentally that like I wouldn't have if I had just like 440 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,360 gone right into this because I think a lot of times like our 441 00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:30,920 days are really hard, but we have like two or three hard days 442 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,080 a week. Like every other day is focused 443 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,480 on making those days easier. And like, I remember like going, 444 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,120 because we were in Atlanta, we did go into the office. 445 00:23:40,120 --> 00:23:43,240 I remember going to the office and like that's five hard days 446 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:44,600 in a row. Like that's rough. 447 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,840 You got to get up early, you got to get dressed. 448 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,080 Like if you want to work out, you've got to either do it at 449 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,880 like 5:00 AM or like 7:00 PM. Like it, it's tough. 450 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,080 And so this is so much better. 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Yeah. 503 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:01,400 In those first couple months, like were there any like things 504 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,440 that you were looking for to be like, all right, we're not going 505 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,800 back to JP Morgan or. I think once you quit that one, 506 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:11,360 it's hard to get back. No, So I did and I mean, I did 507 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:13,800 like actually have another. I still have it another part 508 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,320 time job just doing like software sales. 509 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,560 So that's been so like I did have like stability, but that 510 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,440 wasn't guaranteed if I walked out the door. 511 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,040 No, I just wanted to see improvement and like the whole 512 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:31,560 thing just started as a way like I just wanted to run 15 KPR 513 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:36,960 because having been a 2020 graduate, like I didn't get that 514 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,200 last track season and like I didn't have any other 515 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,600 eligibility saved up. I had like been going on job 516 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,640 interviews. Like I wasn't going to grad 517 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,280 school quite yet because I, I wanted to go to Business School, 518 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,600 which you have to like go out and work for two years and then 519 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:54,520 come back to. So it I I really like had no 520 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,160 other option than to go out into the world I guess. 521 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,080 And so it really just started as like I just want to run like 1/5 522 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,840 KPR. Wow, so like we haven't even 523 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,280 gotten to like you running like a a marathon in your career so 524 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:11,000 far. But like if you told you're 525 00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:14,200 currently, you told, you know, 2020 graduate, you just sort of 526 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,480 like, Hey, here's what you're going to accomplish in running 527 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,880 six years from now. Like what would they think? 528 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,880 Oh, I'd be shocked. I will say at the end or going 529 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,520 into the outdoor track season of 2020, we had horrible indoor 530 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:27,840 seasons. Me and one of my friends who 531 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,680 were both really fit, but we were both doing all of our jobs 532 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,080 slash grad school interviews in the indoor season. 533 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,960 And like we had a goal that that was going to be done by spring 534 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,640 break and we were going to run really well. 535 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,680 So like I did think that there was more in there and I don't 536 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,320 think I first saw this, if that makes sense. 537 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:51,120 So, but, and I guess like at the time, like I, I just keep coming 538 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,920 back to like, you're like, all right, not happy with track. 539 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,720 But then going back to the Atlanta, the the the early parts 540 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,160 of your Atlanta track club days, I guess like you were still 541 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,000 running on the track, but there still wasn't any push for the 542 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,040 roads yet, right? I was kind of bouncing back and 543 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,000 forth 'cause I was in a weird in between, like we both had a 544 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,720 marathon group and like an 815 hundred group and I was just 545 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,960 like the only person in between. So I kind of bounced back and 546 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,560 forth. Like I didn't really have any 547 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,840 direction. I not like no one was giving me 548 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,160 direction, but like it was just kind of this like ambiguous, 549 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,640 like just go race and have fun, yeah. 550 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,240 Yeah, what went into just sort of like the decision to follow 551 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,480 Amy and Andrew, I guess, to Indianapolis. 552 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:43,120 They had just done a lot for me, like they'd helped. 553 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,440 Like I feel like I was in some mental ruts coming out of 554 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,040 college that I like fell back into getting back into running 555 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,280 and like they really helped a lot with that. 556 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:56,920 And they just had had like such a long term vision my whole time 557 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,400 with them and I all two years, two years and two months. 558 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:04,760 But like I, it was almost like there was no other option. 559 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,680 Like I, I didn't feel like there was a choice. 560 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,560 Like I want like, not like they didn't make me feel like I felt 561 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,760 like I had a choice, but like, and I did, I was like, if I want 562 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,280 this to go this way, I have one option. 563 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,480 I need to like go where they go. You're fully committed to 564 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,480 whatever Andrew's. Vision was at that point. 565 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,320 All right. So then kind of like bringing it 566 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:28,720 to last year, what was the biggest sort of mark of success 567 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,080 from last year? Was it, I guess, like that 568 00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:34,680 Atlanta, half that? Yeah, that was good. 569 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,720 I was really fit going into Valencia then it was hot. 570 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:44,240 But I do feel like, I feel like where I placed in Valencia more 571 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,360 so than how fast I ran was really good. 572 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,800 But yeah, the two half marathons, probably. 573 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,600 What, what is there? I guess like I think you, you 574 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,480 said this when you were on Ali's show, just sort of like that. 575 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,280 What you're most curious about is just kind of seeing like, and 576 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,480 what motivates you is really exploring how good you can be in 577 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,120 these races. And so I what sticks out there 578 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,200 is just sort of like you're you're mentioning just sort of 579 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,120 like, I think what is more impressive is like, you know, 580 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,200 the, where you place and the people you beat in Valencia. 581 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,880 So I'm going, I was looking through your results and I was 582 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,920 like, honestly, I think like the Cherry Blossom title that you 583 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:21,880 won was, you know, one, it's great to to win the national 584 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,400 title, but I think that there's something to the fact that you 585 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,880 were second behind someone who just finished 7th at the World 586 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,520 Championships in the 10K, was second at the World cross 587 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,480 country championships. It's sort of like, what are 588 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,400 these kind of performances telling you now? 589 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,120 I guess like about sort of your potential. 590 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:42,080 Yeah, I'm really excited. I feel like we're just over the 591 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,680 last like 8 months or so kind of getting to where like, you know, 592 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,680 now I have enough training under my belt to go and race really 593 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,360 hard and really well. And kind of going into Cherry 594 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,960 Blossom, my goal was to get my butt kicked there. 595 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,280 So I would get my butt kicked a little less in Copenhagen. 596 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,080 And so, yeah, I'm really excited. 597 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,640 I felt really good. I mean, until I didn't, but that 598 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,640 happens in every race. But I mean, even through I felt 599 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,040 like 8 1/2, I was like, very in control of things. 600 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,240 And like, that was far longer than I thought I would feel 601 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,000 comfortable in a race like that. Now, who knows how hard everyone 602 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:16,480 was running. Like, I feel like I was trying 603 00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,840 to, like, get it going a little bit. 604 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,320 But no, it was really encouraging to see that. 605 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,240 Do does any part of you allow yourself to think OK now how do 606 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,800 I do that twice and add 6 more miles? 607 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:35,880 I haven't thought that far yet. I yeah, no, I haven't thought 608 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,960 that far ahead yet. So then after that we had was 609 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,640 the 5K in Indianapolis, right? Was that the order? 610 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,640 I think that was, yeah, I think, yeah, that was 3 weeks later, 611 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,000 yeah. So what was the goal going into 612 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,760 that one? Cuz you happen to I guess walk 613 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,280 away snagging another World championship team spot. 614 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,280 I wanted to run under 15. Wait, didn't you? 615 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:58,680 Run. I ran 1500. 616 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:04,240 OK, so this is my OK, my 10 KPR is 3100 and now my 5 KPR is 617 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,960 1500. That's really, really painful. 618 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,640 Yeah. I wanted to run under 15. 619 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,320 Yeah, no, that was the goal. And I kind of thought that I 620 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,560 would. I thought that I would do it but 621 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,640 get like 5th. I didn't think I would get 2nd 622 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:27,280 and not do it. No, I the the thing that's 623 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:30,720 brutal also about Rd. PRS is that they're I guess like 624 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,400 you could ask for the photo finish. 625 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,600 I know. No, I think it was like 15 OO 626 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,960 point, like 4 maybe because they do round up, yeah. 627 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,680 Gotcha. I was going to say, I was like. 628 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,880 Because technically it's 15 O1 and like World Athletics or 629 00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,520 whatever. Just take the 15 O, all right. 630 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:52,360 But then at that point, sort of you do snag the second spot for 631 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,800 the 5K team, but did you have already kind of like an inkling 632 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,720 that you were always going to do half marathon at Worlds? 633 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,720 I did. Well, that's just what I'm 634 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,080 better at. Like obvious. 635 00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,199 I have no like, yeah, no part of me thinks that I would do better 636 00:34:08,199 --> 00:34:13,199 in A5 Ki did. I did for some reason think that 637 00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:16,080 there was a day between the two. Oh no. 638 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,440 And I wanted to do both in that scenario. 639 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,719 They're back-to-back days, so that wasn't gonna work. 640 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,440 Oh wait, so I thought it was all around on the same morning. 641 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:29,560 Or no, the half, right, maybe, maybe I want to say the 5K is 642 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,080 Saturday and the half is Sunday, OK. 643 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:33,520 Yeah. So you can't pull off that 644 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,880 double. So Hanason maybe would do that. 645 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,080 But I I. No, not me. 646 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,840 All right, so then since then, obviously, I guess it came out 647 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,320 yesterday, I think it was that they made the full team 648 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,960 announcement. You're officially, well, I guess 649 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,080 they had already officially announced that you're going to 650 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,520 be part of the team. But now I guess it's been 651 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,800 announced that you will be one of the people who will score for 652 00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:03,160 Team USA the half marathon. What's what kind of feelings, I 653 00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,280 guess, does that all conjure up now that it's all, you know, 654 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,640 clear cut and we figured everything out? 655 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:10,640 Yeah. What are your thoughts? 656 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:13,600 No, that's great. And they had told us like ahead 657 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,880 of, even ahead of them saying what the resolution was, that 658 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,040 this is what they asked for. And if it got through, like 659 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:24,440 their intent was for the three of us to be in that scoring for. 660 00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:30,680 So that was just so like nice to like see though in front of you 661 00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,200 'cause to an extent like nothing feels like settled until it's in 662 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:35,800 writing. And I even almost like didn't 663 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,440 give up my 5K spot because I wanted it in writing. 664 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,720 You got some trust issues from Atlanta? 665 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,520 Which is funny because I've never had that before and all of 666 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,280 a sudden I'm like, I need to see it. 667 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:51,760 But no, like, it's just great. And it does feel like we can 668 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:56,280 kind of like, close this chapter and like move on a bit, which is 669 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,960 nice. What would I guess success sort 670 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:03,800 of like look like for you like in we're still so far out, so it 671 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:05,520 kind of all. Depends on training. 672 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,320 And everything but like in your head, like, is there an idea of 673 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,200 like the feelings you hope to feel crossing that finish line? 674 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,040 I just want to feel like I did my best. 675 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,440 That's really all I can ask of myself. 676 00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:23,600 Like, obviously, like everyone has a medal on their mind, but 677 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:25,960 it's not so much like be in the top three. 678 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,760 It's put yourself in a position to do that because who knows? 679 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,640 I mean, you see these like world championship finals that go so 680 00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,880 far down the list. Like if you can just put 681 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,960 yourself in a position and be high as high up as you can. 682 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,720 Like that's kind of what I want to do. 683 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,960 I mean, now, look, if the race goes out at like 62 minute pace, 684 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:45,960 like we have to use our brains a little bit here. 685 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:52,680 But no, just within reason, being as close to the front as I 686 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,160 can. And at that point, I guess, 687 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,840 like, you'll probably be in a marathon training block. 688 00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:58,360 Right. I will be, yes. 689 00:36:58,720 --> 00:37:02,520 How does that sort of all fit I guess Like is the marathon 690 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,320 training block already uploaded to Final Search? 691 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:06,520 For you it is. Yeah, I can see the whole thing. 692 00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,840 Would it like? Have you clicked far enough? 693 00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:14,160 Ahead I I've looked at everyday No, I should feel, I should feel 694 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,400 really good on race day and I should feel really, really, 695 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:19,920 really tired a week after. OK, gotcha. 696 00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:21,640 Yeah. All right. 697 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:26,520 So when it comes to now, I guess I haven't seen any sort of major 698 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,080 marathon announce their fall plan. 699 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,760 So you probably can't say like where you're going to be 700 00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,920 debuting this fall. Shaking your head. 701 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:32,680 OK. So no. 702 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:38,440 But now that it's on the calendar, I guess like how does 703 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,800 that part of it feel like the idea that you and Andrew have 704 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,760 been talking about for years, I guess at this point now is now 705 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,520 like a set date on on paper? I'm so excited. 706 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,920 No I've been getting the worst marathon FOMO the last like 2 707 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,120 years. Oh man I just wanted to do 1 so 708 00:37:58,120 --> 00:37:59,800 bad. I really wanted to do one last 709 00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,920 fall and he said no wait one more because my first thought 710 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,640 when world roads got cancelled was like Oh well it makes sense 711 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,680 to run a marathon now and apparently it didn't. 712 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,480 But I will say I am glad I waited because I do think I 713 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,200 would have felt a little bit unprepared going into it last 714 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,200 year. And I do feel like by the time 715 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,960 we get there, like, I'll have like, I don't think we'll leave 716 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,240 like, no stone unturned for the first one. 717 00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:27,840 Like, I think there will still be room to grow. 718 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,680 But I do think I'll be like very ready. 719 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,840 With these marathons that you've attended and had experienced 720 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,320 FOMO at like, I guess which ones are they? 721 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,160 And like, I guess what have you done at each one? 722 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,680 Because I know like being here in New York, like day, everyone 723 00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,160 says it's the best day and the best city, all that kind of 724 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,760 stuff. And it really is. 725 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:49,800 It's. So fun. 726 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,160 The day after, well, that day, I'm always jealous of everyone 727 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:54,280 walking around with their medals. 728 00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,800 And then, you know, even for the days that follow, I'm always 729 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:00,080 always thinking like, all right, I'm going to do it next year, 730 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:01,240 next year. And then that feeling kind of 731 00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:02,920 wears off. But I feel like when it's your 732 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:06,800 job and you attend so many of these races that sometimes have 733 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,560 a marathon or half marathon tacked onto it, like it's just 734 00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,440 non-stop endorphins and and and contagious energy. 735 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:17,560 Yeah, so I've been to New York maybe 3 or 4 times. 736 00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:18,000 Oh. Wow. 737 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,120 OK, so they teased you for so long. 738 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:22,680 Well I've always run the 5K the day before. 739 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:26,240 So like I've I've done the race and then been here I think 3 740 00:39:26,240 --> 00:39:29,360 times. It's actually worse when I'm not 741 00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,960 physically there. OK. 742 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,360 Because at least if I'm physically there, I can like see 743 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,480 it. I think I did you do a post or 744 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:37,520 something like that for Boston right? 745 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:38,800 Probably you didn't. You weren't. 746 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,440 Oh yeah, 'cause I got myself the, the ASICS made this like 747 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,240 Boston shirt and I got myself the shirt and it, it was so 748 00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:47,640 cute. I worked for like a week on 749 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,280 either side of the race, but I wasn't there. 750 00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,800 So I felt like a little bit of an imposter, but that's OK. 751 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,400 I, two of my best friends were running it though, so that's 752 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:56,760 great. In addition to like all the 753 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,200 women in the pro field. But I cared more about my 754 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:04,680 friends on that day. But no, I it's harder to watch 755 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,680 like a Boston or Chicago from home than I think it is to watch 756 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,920 New York from the grandstands, because at least you're there. 757 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you've only been to New York, 758 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:14,400 Or you know, you've been to. Chicago. 759 00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,240 I've only been to New York. OK, But you've raced enough in 760 00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:19,200 Chicago to kind of all right. You're like, if this is the 761 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:25,280 energy for the 8K, then I'm sure Marathon Monday in Chicago would 762 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,000 probably be crazy. Or you've raced enough in 763 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,680 Boston, right? Yeah, I think I've raced in all 764 00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,840 three, OK? They all have great energy. 765 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,960 Yeah, so now you'll finally get the chance to experience it for 766 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,760 yourself. So what is the part of marathon 767 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,480 training that you think is scariest? 768 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,400 I don't know like if if scary is like the right word for it. 769 00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:48,840 Eating enough. OK, yeah, the fueling side, I 770 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,640 think the because what what we've talked about is going to 771 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:58,200 be a challenge isn't necessarily like it's the volume problem, 772 00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,160 OK? Like you're only so big and can 773 00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,600 only fit so much in but you need so much. 774 00:41:03,240 --> 00:41:05,720 True and I think that this is a problem with one of my teammates 775 00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:08,360 back in Atlanta cuz she was also like very small. 776 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:11,320 But like we all I'm sure have this same volume problem, so 777 00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:12,560 I'll figure it out. Yeah. 778 00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,840 Oh, so that's. Like, literally fitting enough 779 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:17,760 food, like, in your stomach, Yeah. 780 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,840 And also just like eating. Yeah, just like in general. 781 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,960 Literally, that's the thing I'm most afraid of. 782 00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:24,720 No, it's true. It's it's definitely a practice, 783 00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:27,000 but I feel like there's enough. There's enough out there. 784 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,720 You've got enough coaches. Yeah, I feel really confident 785 00:41:29,720 --> 00:41:32,560 about the like in run fueling piece. 786 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,600 Like I feel like we've kind of gotten that fixed over the. 787 00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:39,280 I've worked on that for like the last like 6 weeks or so and that 788 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,960 feels good. What's the farthest you've run? 789 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,840 Well, 15 1/2 miles. OK, so I guess I haven't done it 790 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:51,240 for the full like 26 but. When's your 1st 20 Miller? 791 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,520 Oh, I mean, I run 20 miles in practice. 792 00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,880 OK. Yeah, I did 1-2 days ago. 793 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,760 OK. So oh so your longest run. 794 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,680 My longest run right now is 22. OK, gotcha. 795 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:05,520 All right. Well, yeah, you're you're there. 796 00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,480 Yeah, see, it's a baby step. Yeah, Yeah. 797 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,720 What's the because I guess everyone talks about the wall, 798 00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:14,520 right, Like in in the marathon traditionally I think that used 799 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,000 to come in like 20 miles. But I feel like now with all the 800 00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:21,000 advances in shoes and fueling, it's kind of like pushed the 801 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,120 wall I think a little bit further down. 802 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:27,760 Maybe I'm just, I don't know, maybe as overthinking it a bit 803 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,600 just based on how people are breaking 2 hours in the marathon 804 00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:31,280 now. That's so. 805 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:35,480 Crazy. But I guess like what's have 806 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,160 you, do you think you've felt anything close to like what a 807 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,320 marathon wall feels like in a race so far? 808 00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,720 I mean, you talked about how like you're dying and some at 809 00:42:43,720 --> 00:42:47,000 the end of some of these races. Oh, I had the worst race of my 810 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:50,440 life at US cross country championships in Portland. 811 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:54,040 OK. Yes, I felt the wall at 2K. 812 00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:58,360 Did you fall? There were so many falls in 813 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,520 there that you didn't fall or. Anything I didn't fall, it was 814 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:04,320 one of those I didn't know I was sick yet and so I'm telling 815 00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,200 myself it's all in my head and I wanted to win and I thought the 816 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:10,240 only way to win would be to go to the front and run really 817 00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:12,200 hard. OK so this makes sense cuz I do 818 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,320 remember seeing you on the broadcast. 819 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,120 Yeah, and I stand by it. It was the only way to win. 820 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:19,640 But I didn't know I was sick yet. 821 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:21,880 And then I got home and I was like, oh, I'm really sick. 822 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,720 And I and I just told myself it's all in your head. 823 00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:26,840 I wish I had adjust. You know what? 824 00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,400 No, I don't wish I would have adjusted the plan because at 825 00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,520 least now I know sometimes it's not all in your head. 826 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:36,920 What was the? So yes, I I hit the wall. 827 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,720 What was the sickness? Just like a flu. 828 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,320 I just had a fever and like aches and chills. 829 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,200 Like it wasn't even that bad. Like it was just like, bad 830 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,160 enough that like. Not severe enough the night 831 00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,200 before the race. But like that night, I was like, 832 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,920 wow, yeah, I don't. I don't feel good. 833 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:57,400 Well, you got what is that bad race out of the way and. 834 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,080 It's so yes, I've hit the wall. You've hit the wall and it feels 835 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:04,680 like 2026 so far has been really, really good, right? 836 00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,960 Like there isn't one race out there right now so far that 837 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,840 you've aside from Atlanta, I guess. 838 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:13,440 But even then, you were on your way to a really, really good day 839 00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,880 that there I mean, you just keep. 840 00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:17,600 We have time. There's next week. 841 00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,000 Yeah, yeah. So next week is. 842 00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,640 New York Mini, OH. Yeah, the New York Mini, what 843 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,280 are the, what are the goals there? 844 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:31,200 Same as Cherry Blossom, it's a great opportunity to get in a 845 00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:33,800 get out a little over my head and see how I can deal with 846 00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,000 that. For these races that aren't 847 00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:41,040 Copenhagen, I'd rather place further back in the race but 848 00:44:41,040 --> 00:44:44,040 test myself at the front because I think that that's like long 849 00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,920 term better. You know that the mini 10K 850 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:50,800 historic? Do you know the history behind 851 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,040 it? They tell us it's mini skirts, 852 00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,840 right? Yes, it's mini skirts because I 853 00:44:54,840 --> 00:45:02,320 guess when in 197572, somewhere in the 70s, early 70s, I think 854 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:06,720 they asked back then in New York Rd. runners, it was Fred LeBeau 855 00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,320 who was the race director of the New York City Marathon. 856 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,560 Can we do an all women's marathon? 857 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,120 And you know, this is still sort of at the time early women's 858 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:20,280 marathoning days, they decided, well, he was like, let's not do 859 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,320 a full marathon. Maybe we'll just do one lap of 860 00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,320 Central Park. And so the sponsor was like 861 00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,240 crazy legs. Like it's like some sort. 862 00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:30,520 Of like. Cream or something like that. 863 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:31,920 Like that rings a bell? Yeah. 864 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,080 And so that's why I was called like the Crazy Legs Mini 10K 865 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,160 mini marathon, I think the first year go around. 866 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:42,280 But I guess it is still like the longest running all women's race 867 00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,840 in like the United States. And so it's kind of really cool 868 00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,720 just from a legacy standpoint to see all the different names 869 00:45:47,720 --> 00:45:51,040 we've competed at there. And then at the same time, like 870 00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,320 you get to line up against Sharon, who just won Boston, 871 00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,080 Helen who won New York back in the fall. 872 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,400 So it really does. The world record holder in the 873 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:00,840 10 KS in the race. Yeah, yeah. 874 00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,240 So really does end up feeling like a mini marathon. 875 00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:06,640 Yeah, it it, it's going to be amazing. 876 00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,400 I think there's four women in the field who have broken 30. 877 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:14,600 OK, so that's a little ridiculous, but no, I'm, I'm so 878 00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,760 excited. I do think one year we should 879 00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:19,520 just all commit to wearing skirts because it's named after 880 00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:20,920 the mini skirt. I think it could be fun. 881 00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,200 We're going to say not wear super shoes. 882 00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:25,440 And I was like, OK, that brings me to another idea I have, which 883 00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:30,280 is like I want, I think like, you know, there's enough world 884 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:34,040 marathon majors now that maybe we designate 2 to be like world 885 00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:35,240 record attempts. So that's. 886 00:46:35,240 --> 00:46:38,600 Like. London and Berlin or Chicago, 887 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,960 and then you have your traditional ones with Boston and 888 00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:44,760 New York. You don't even need to change a 889 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,880 thing there, but for one of these newer ones it should just 890 00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:53,480 be like old school. The anti enhanced games. 891 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,320 No one gets you can wear a timex. 892 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,920 We can't wear AGPS watch. Oh, that's crazy. 893 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:04,240 Only water and flat coke on the course. 894 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,080 Who's running this? I'll organize it. 895 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,280 Wait can can we at least have like a normal gel? 896 00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,320 This is for how. Maybe like the early 2000s 897 00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:20,160 versions of Google, but not the latest hydrogel technology that 898 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,360 is out there. All right, maybe I'll I'll, I'll 899 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:25,880 give the athletes gels. OK, I'm in if we can have real 900 00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,840 gels. We have like how? 901 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:33,240 All right, let's not even go marathon five half marathon, OK 902 00:47:33,240 --> 00:47:33,920 which? You run. 903 00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:36,320 OK, what do you think you'd run in non super shoes? 904 00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,440 I know ASIC shoes are great. Oh gosh. 905 00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:43,000 Well, you got to wear the. Am I in a Nova blast or? 906 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,040 Oh I'm in a super blast? Oh I think I could get pretty 907 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:47,640 close to your PRI. Think I could run like? 908 00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,440 Yeah, I think it could be really close. 909 00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:55,280 Nova Blast. A little less close, maybe like 910 00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:56,720 69 minute range. OK. 911 00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:58,280 All right. Well, yeah. 912 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,200 No, if you're putting me in a pair of Nimbuses, which is my 913 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,960 favorite shooter run in by the way, but they're not fast. 914 00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,840 I I would have to back it up, but they're, they're my favorite 915 00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,200 so. I yeah, I just think that there 916 00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:15,160 should be 1 marathon a year, that is the non super shoes 917 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,520 marathon and we just see how close people come to their PRS 918 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:21,160 or way off. But you won't have to worry 919 00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:22,280 about that. Your first marathon? 920 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:26,240 Enjoy what it was it? What's your race day preference? 921 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,080 The edge meta speed edge because. 922 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,920 Usually people are torn between the sky edge and the ray. 923 00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,000 The ray, yes, I am. AI just always wear the edge. 924 00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,000 It's just by far my favorite. Yeah. 925 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:41,560 Yeah. All right. 926 00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,920 So we have mini 10K and then what's the rest of the summer 927 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:45,080 schedule sort of look like so far? 928 00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:48,120 I'll take a break right after the mini. 929 00:48:49,960 --> 00:48:53,240 I always like to kind of like end well the last few years just 930 00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:55,800 to like give me structure. I'd like to like end at the mini 931 00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:58,880 'cause it is such a great field. So it like does. 932 00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:02,560 Feel like it? Feels like it can be like a nice 933 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,560 end and a lot of people start kind of like their falls there 934 00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,240 or like they're kind of build up into fall there. 935 00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,400 But I like for it to be my end. So I'll do that. 936 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:16,960 I'll take a week off and then I'll start slowly building up. 937 00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:20,560 Or like the Falmouth Beach to Beacon or any of that stuff. 938 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:25,200 Yeah, Falmouth will be Falmouth. Yeah, I have Falmouth will be on 939 00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:26,040 the schedule. Nice. 940 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:27,680 I wouldn't miss it. I. 941 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:31,480 Yeah, no, I've been to Falmouth. It is a great race. 942 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,840 I've never run it, but I've been there for it because we covered 943 00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,840 it one year. It's great in person. 944 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:38,600 Definitely want to run it at some point. 945 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,560 And then, yeah, I guess like, All right, so it's still a 946 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:45,400 mysterious sort of fall marathon to be determined. 947 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,560 We do have world Road Running Championships the schedule. 948 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,560 But yeah, I guess like, is it, does it feel just sort of like 949 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:54,560 that you've been like, what's that feeling like, I guess 950 00:49:55,160 --> 00:50:00,360 lining up and you have just kind of this mounting confidence from 951 00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,680 race after race and like this momentum? 952 00:50:02,680 --> 00:50:08,480 Like, is it a palpable feeling that an athlete has when you've 953 00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:10,560 just been piling on success after success? 954 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:16,200 So I would describe it almost as like, like you're still just as 955 00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:19,280 nervous on race day. But I have felt this spring like 956 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:24,200 no pressure, like there's nothing else that I could do 957 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:26,520 this spring that I haven't done already. 958 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:30,320 So it feels like really nice that like every box has been 959 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,720 checked, which is great because going into next week, my body's 960 00:50:33,720 --> 00:50:37,600 really tired. No, I'm in, I'm in great shape. 961 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:40,720 It's just I'm tired. But it is nice to kind of like 962 00:50:40,720 --> 00:50:43,400 have that mental load off of like I've made a World Team, 963 00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,160 I've won a title like that's done. 964 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,960 So at least until the fall, there's like nothing more to go 965 00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,320 get. Do you anticipate being nervous 966 00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,760 before the start of your first marathon? 967 00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,880 Or do you? OK, yes, I I think I'll be 968 00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:58,560 really nervous. You know who I think is going to 969 00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,520 be the most nervous is my mom. Really. 970 00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,560 Why? I, she, I don't, I just don't 971 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,560 see her being like calm about it, Like I see her being a 972 00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:08,480 little nervous, like she won't be like outwardly freaking out. 973 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,320 She'll, you know, just in her heart, like she'll have as many 974 00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,680 butterflies as me. Has this been just like because 975 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,480 for how long you've been waiting to make your marathon debut? 976 00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,520 Has it been like a topic of conversation among the family 977 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,440 for as long as it has been with Andrew? 978 00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:29,320 Yes, they're Oh yeah, They're all coming to wherever. 979 00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,000 Like they're all coming. They have their plans. 980 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:35,320 Like, yeah. 'Cause yeah, I guess like 981 00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:39,000 they're just like every, you know, professional runner often 982 00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:40,640 times when they're asked sort of like, oh, what do you do for 983 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,120 work? And you say I'm a professional 984 00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,760 runner like. My conversation on the plane 985 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,320 today, yeah. They often ask you, oh like 986 00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,920 would would you run for everyone? 987 00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,400 Always points to the mile or the marathon. 988 00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:55,240 Yeah. You don't have a marathon PR, 989 00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,320 you hate the track, and I guess it's been a while since you 990 00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,920 raced a mile. Like now, you'll finally get the 991 00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:05,520 marathon answer. Right, I'll finally get that. 992 00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:10,400 I know it is funny 'cause I do feel like people on the plane 993 00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,120 always ask me. I I'm always sitting next to 994 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,520 someone who wants to chat and they're like, oh, are you going 995 00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:19,280 for business or pleasure? And I'm like, business, what's 996 00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,320 your business? And then it's like, oh, what do 997 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:24,200 I even tell you? But now I can say marathons, 998 00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,680 which will like once that's over, like it'll take care of 999 00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:31,080 it. I think it was Kyle Merber who 1000 00:52:31,080 --> 00:52:32,840 Co host this show from time to time. 1001 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,240 You should just always tell people marketing because you're 1002 00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:38,360 technically. Oh my gosh, when the shoe comes 1003 00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,040 so much better. This can shut down the 1004 00:52:41,040 --> 00:52:43,760 conversation so much faster. Not that I don't want to talk to 1005 00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:45,080 these people. They're like, so nice. 1006 00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,400 I just really like, want to read my book, you know? 1007 00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,440 Oh, that's a great idea. There you go. 1008 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:55,160 Well Emma, I appreciate you taking the time to sit and chat 1009 00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,040 and catch up on just like this awesome season that you've put 1010 00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,000 together. Best of luck, I guess in the 1011 00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,040 rest of your, well, one more race. 1012 00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,840 Yeah, one more. Getting into the marathon 1013 00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,400 training block. 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