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Emergency podcast. 
We needed to jump on the Mikes 

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right after the London Diamond 
League wrapped up because the 

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mile world record has fallen. 
Josh Kerr called the shot and he

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did it. 
He just ran 34266. 

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Mission accomplished for Project
222. 

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He just absolutely smashed 
Hickamel Guruge's 27 year old 

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world record of three, 4313, 
first man to ever get under 343,

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and his 1500 split was 3/27/62, 
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record for the distance. 
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how the race played out and 
everything, Kyle, your instant 

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sort of reaction, 'cause you 
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bullish on his odds of 
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was a little bit more of a 
doubter. 

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And Even so, last week we 
recorded our preview podcast a 

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little bit way too early because
there were tons of scratches and

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stuff. 
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of the public opinion changed in
the last 24 hours when the, you 

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know, 242-1200 meter split came 
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YouTube. 
We'd known about it for a couple

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days before that, but so I mean,
it even just added to your 

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confidence in the fitness being 
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I think overall the pacing was 
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it and it ended up being 
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Yeah. 
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track history that require an 
emergency podcast, I'm just glad

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I didn't have a colonoscopy plan
for today because this is, I 

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mean, I've, I've, I've lost 
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I was screaming at the 
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It was really so much 
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Like. 
I didn't care about anything 

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else today. 
Like the entire meet I was like,

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can we just get to the mile? 
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there were great races and I 
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And then I was just like, but 
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Like this is the only thing I 
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life for like the last few days,
it's been the most important 

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moment to me. 
It was incredible. 

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It was so well delivered, the 
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I got a video sent to me from a 
friend who was in the stadium of

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just like the last 200 meters 
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Like, I don't think TV did it 
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It was so loud and exciting. 
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the sort of thing where I like 
call my daughter and from the 

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other room I was like, you're 
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wanna be able to tell people 
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So again, like, I don't wanna 
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hyperbole, but it was really a 
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even for those of us watching at
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Yeah, I mean, I woke up to a 
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like, today is going to be a 
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like, and I was right there with
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I I think when I woke up, I was 
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till the mile at the London 
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And it was kind of nuts that 
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still wasn't the last event on 
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they, they devised these things 
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But, you know, major kudos to 
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hyped this meet up so far in 
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Keely obviously not having the 
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hoped for coming off of indoors.
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this podcast and announced that 
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this back in March. 
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build up the fitness 2, risk 
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three, just really putting it 
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And historically, when he's done
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delivered. 
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Same thing jumping on the pod, 
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the Milrose Games and he goes 
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And so for track, he's there's 
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bit in our group chat as the 
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David, I think had pointed out 
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fascinating how many people 
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And you jumped in saying it's 
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of really good because I mean, 
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more because, you know, that's 
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not everyone is this super 
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rooting for. 
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you know, were rooting for yard 
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But a lot of credit goes to Josh
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of competition. 
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this that Cam Myers was invited 
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Cole Hawker, maybe not at the 
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race like this, but yard and a 
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And so from let let's begin sort
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which is kind of lived up every 
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like, I mean, it just added to 
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him in this race. 
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in March. 
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think said it on the broadcast, 
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world record to go after. 
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that's the whole thing. 
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you would need the World 
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medal to really motivate you as 
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who's been doing it for as long 
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Like, he's 28 years old and he's
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decade. 
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doing it as long as he has, you 
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motivate you still. 
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going to. 
That keeps you so honest in all 

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those moments in March and April
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otherwise sacrifice a little bit
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put all the pressure on yourself
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and do all those little things 
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he obviously worked to find and 
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I mean, I when I think we, we 
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should ask Josh or like what we 
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boots on the ground. 
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like, look, when Jacob started 
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threshold became the thing. 
Everyone is doing threshold now 

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all the time. 
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threshold, but that's honest 
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But the question I want to ask 
is what is the training take 

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away or the stimulus or the 
thing that Josh does that 

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everyone else should really like
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And I think for Josh, The thing 
is, is he's just finds 1% 

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everywhere and everything that 
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And I think it just has now 
added up to 100 and has given a 

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really special moment for 
everyone. 

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I we're, we're toying around 
with my audio on my side of 

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things 'cause there's a 
torrential downpour here in New 

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York City and that maybe it's 
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bit. 
But we are going to attach the 

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interview that Preet just got in
the mix zone with Josh Kerr to 

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the end of this episode. 
We haven't listened to it just 

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yet, but I did just get a text 
from Preet that says like a 

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minute into the whole thing, 
Josh gets super emotional 

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because of, I mean, this clearly
meant so much to him and. 

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It means so much, Chris. 
It means so much to every 

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Miller. 
I can't like Express 34313 is 

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something that every kid growing
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ingrained in you as like a 
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You know, it's the question you 
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What's the mile world record 
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Like I would, I remember like 
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you get room 343 and like 
they're like, wow, that's the 

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wow world record or some like 
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Like I think of 343 at like it 
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anytime you see those numbers. 
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342, I'm so happy it's not 34312
like 342 is such a new, but that

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I think This is why I'm so 
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I'm still buzzing but like it's 
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exciting for everyone who like 
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Mark has always meant a lot too 
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no doubt that something worth 
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And I mean, if you think about 
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time for so many of these 
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like having to dig to find the 
grainy YouTube video of what 

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that performance was. 
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least like in 4K for the future 
generations of people to be able

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to go out and watch. 
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thing stood since 1999. 
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we've discussed before to, to 
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going after here. 
It was El Guruge had survived so

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many different challenges over 
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It in Rome 1999, it took a 
pretty big race with no one 

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getting to get that record. 
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Yarat entering this one was 
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him to be right on his heels and
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differently. 
So, yeah, I mean this, it had 

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been, like you said, a record 
that had been at the top of the 

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books for the long for a really,
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And now honestly, like we'll 
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next after this with that 15 
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means for that. 
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this race. 
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dive into just sort of how it 
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So let's start in the lead up a 
little bit of why I was so 

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confident in this. 
First off, I do just want to 

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like acknowledge and give so 
much credit to Josh the way that

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he handled world's last year. 
Hugely disappointing moment. 

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Just took it on the chin right? 
Like a lot of athletes, that 

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would be a really defining 
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And we had heard and I believe 
it because he's he's always been

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pretty truthful about how things
are going that he was in 

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incredible shape leading it to 
world's got hurt and just took 

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the offseason to recover. 
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indoor season and he didn't let 
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And to then coming off that 
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I just think it's like chef's 
kiss, like such a a sports 

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psychologist dream of like 
having a of the memory of a 

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goldfish and like resetting. 
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confident first is this is not 
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been in good enough shape to go 
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I I do believe Josh was 
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I believe that there's a chance 
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last couple of years and he's 
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training better than anyone and 
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look at what he's saying. 
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weeks before saying you can do 
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like there's no shot. 
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confident. 
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It was like, what? 
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when you heard 242 a few days 
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All right, we are here with Tim 

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Rossi, the head of experiences 
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Tim, Why does Bandit continue to
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in track and field? 
Yeah, Chris, stoked to be here 

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talking about Unsponsored 
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The the top, top of the athletes
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highest level. 
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Maybe I've went through a rough 

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that we have right now. 
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US outdoors that don't have a 
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So what is an athlete get when 
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project? 
Yeah. 

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So it's grown every single year,
which is really cool. 

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But we talk about the key 
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Cash is the least sexy thing to 
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important for athletes. 
A lot of the time we just have 

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cash as part of every single one
of these agreements. 

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this agreement. 
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have that cover, ideally travel 
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they're staying in or something 
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Then the unbranded gear has 
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well, so that the athletes can 
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unsponsored when competing on 
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of these agreements where 
athletes are free to be released

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from our agreement should 
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traditional sponsorship model at
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agreements. 
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thing we really want to promote 
and talk about these athletes 

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and their amazing stories and 
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sport for the amazing 
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putting together and and how 
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competing at. 
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that we talk about within these 
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How can they find it? 
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You set it right there. 
This program and the support is 

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targeted, right, for individuals
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Outdoor Track and Field 
Championships stoke that it's in

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New York this year. 
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in touch with us would be to 
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That's 
support@banditrunning.com. 

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So if you're planning to compete
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there. 
I'll be proactively reaching out

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to people. 
It's not, again, the fanciest 

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thing in the world. 
Maybe check your DMS if you're 

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an athlete that's looking at US 
outdoors. 

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But yeah, reaching out to 
support@banditrunning.com is the

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best way to get in touch right 
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For more on Bandits Unsponsored 
Project, stick around at the end

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of this episode. 
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through. 
Just sort of like the thought 

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process was one. 
I thought Hobbes was going to be

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in here, and I was. 
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him to try and disrupt the whole
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Then afterwards, those thoughts 
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know what? 
No one's going to risk ever 

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getting not invited again to the
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silly enough to do that. 
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and I was like, all right, well,
now he's going to do it. 

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Especially because I think, you 
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Grapevine that it was 242, but 
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behind it were still a little 
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Albuquerque. 
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concrete evidence that it was 
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mean, that's nasty work. 
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Closing AT518. 
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always like just sort of like 
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historical context behind how 
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And so you got you think it's 
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on. 
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some Chinese app and was able to
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2002 where El Guerrouj went 
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which at that point in the 1500 
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was it. 
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middle of a race and that was 
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breaking his own world record. 
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this is it is this is after 
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he's got to hold it together for
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than Algar Rouge did running, 
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back and forth, but part of me 
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that this thing was was going to
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of like how far yard was also 
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know, push him. 
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necessarily need all of those 
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So how it all went down was 
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my doubts were less after a 
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It was more and this is hand up 
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Brandon Kidder. 
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he didn't have necessarily the 
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meet not that long ago. 
Seeing him in that workout video

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kind of delivering, you know, 
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work to Josh went a little bit 
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belief that he could do it. 
It was all it was all going to 

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come down to to to the pacing. 
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going perfect. 
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through 800 one 5063 steps steps
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Zan Rudolph comes in doesn't go 
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for, but that's fine. 
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Kerr then was in the front had 
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Hits the 1200 and two 4639. 
Now you've got 60,000 plus fans 

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in London screaming their heads 
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I'm sure that does something 
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surge of adrenaline. 
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your chest and he was, you know,
gapping yard at at first it was 

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sort of like head scratching is 
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is yard coming back? 
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faster. 
He ends up, you know, just kind 

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of being fairly consistent after
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out where I think it was once he
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final 100 meter splits were 
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So I mean, like that was he was 
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that in those final stages. 
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that level of consistency in 
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And yeah, wins 342663 seconds 
over Yard. 

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That's that's the part that's 
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Well, Yard. 
Went until he couldn't, right? 

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And if you're a yard and you're 
a 343 guy, you have to do it. 

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I think one of the things that I
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different Josh has approached 
this versus Elgar Rouge and like

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getting that record. 
So First off, Elgar Rouge had a 

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full on race. 
Yeah, right. 

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Like he had no Negaunee, like 
they ran to the line. 

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He had to win that race in order
to get the world record. 

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The fact that Josh just did it 
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incredible. 
And the the rabbits did their 

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job. 
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that someone could have gotten 
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all the way around. 
But there's so many people in 

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the world that. 
You could do that. 

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Although I will say earlier in 
the day, a great sign of Brandon

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Miller going 142. 
I was like, he's like one of 

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those guys who it's like, all 
right, maybe you call a big dog 

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like him to try and go a little 
bit further than AK. 

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But the Pacers did end up doing 
their job. 

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But to your point, yes, there 
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available to go that deep into 
the race. 

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There is a world in which Josh 
breaks 342 today, right? 

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Like, is that crazy to say? 
Like if he had a rabbit going 

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another few 100 meters and then 
someone to race the last 200, 

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someone pulling up on his 
shoulder the last 100. 

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Is a healthy 100% Yakov Where 
like then yeah. 

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I think he's in shape to done 
it. 

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I mean, nobody runs their best 
times running the last 600 all 

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by themselves, running fully 
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just that's not what we normally
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So I love the way that he did 
that. 

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I then the other big thing is 
the difference of just the way 

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Elgar Rouge and Josh approach 
the sport is fascinating. 

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Josh races every now and then 
and when he races he goes hard 

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and he like really circles 
things on the calendar. 

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Elgar Rouge raced constantly. 
He he's always racing and like 

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when you think of like their 
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And so I just appreciate that 
Josh just has his methodology 

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that he does and like comes to 
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And I think it's just, you know,
it, it works for him really 

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well. 
And then the last part is just 

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like Josh versus Elgarridge. 
Elgarridge won an Olympic gold 

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at 5000. 
Yeah. 

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Josh definitely comes at things 
with lower mileage and a little 

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bit more speed oriented. 815 
type guy. 

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Obviously he can run a 3K and 
two mile and I think one day 

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00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,840
we'll see him run a a grade 5K. 
But you know, Elgar Rouge was a 

450
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:28,160
147 guy. 
I think he closed faster to win 

451
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:32,640
the Olympics. 
And so it's just, I think it's 

452
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,320
just interesting contrast the 
the way that that both things 

453
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,400
went down. 
Plus, this was known to be just 

454
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,960
sort of what Josh was peeking 
for. 

455
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,600
And we know that him and coach 
Danny Mackie have just done a 

456
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:50,960
tremendous job each time out of 
being in the best shape for 

457
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:54,000
whatever they choose to circle 
as like the big moment on the 

458
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,680
calendar. 
It doesn't seem like they've 

459
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,480
necessarily missed barring 
injury, right? 

460
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,800
Each time out, you can argue and
we've it's a big what if now, 

461
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,840
right? 
Like what if Josh had not 

462
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,120
tweaked his calf in that semi 
final in in 2025? 

463
00:27:09,120 --> 00:27:11,600
Like, what could he have done in
the final? 

464
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,680
Because it was clear that he was
in crazy good fitness. 

465
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,720
And so for Josh, this was his 
his Super Bowl. 

466
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,320
I think anything that comes 
after this is, is, you know, 

467
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,000
riding off of this fitness. 
And it's a great, you know, 

468
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:28,120
starting point. 
Commonwealth in like this was a 

469
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:31,000
home meet for Josh. 
Yeah, you think the Commonwealth

470
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,800
Games is his Super Bowl for the 
year? 

471
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:41,600
I would be interested to hear. 
I mean, this is first, so you 

472
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,960
obviously focus on this, but 
Commonwealth in your home, like 

473
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,240
like in Scotland? 
Yeah, I don't know. 

474
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:57,320
I'm sure he won't sleep tonight 
and then he'll quickly start 

475
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,600
preparing for a second Super 
Bowl, but that's a big deal, 

476
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:01,880
too. 
Yeah, yeah. 

477
00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:05,200
But I get, but so if you think 
about it like he needed to be in

478
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,880
his peak fitness to accomplish 
what he did today. 

479
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,120
If you take his fitness maybe 2 
weeks ago, he could still 

480
00:28:14,120 --> 00:28:17,560
probably come away with a 
Commonwealth Games victory, 

481
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,040
right? 
Like it's sort of like what I'm,

482
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,160
what I'm thinking is you're sort
of like he needed to achieve the

483
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,240
level of fitness for this 
performance. 

484
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,560
Whereas Commonwealth Games, like
he's a savvy and he's one of the

485
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:33,200
best racers in the whole entire 
world that even if he was in 

486
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,800
last year's shape, he could 
probably get away with a medal 

487
00:28:36,120 --> 00:28:38,160
and even gold at Commonwealth 
Games. 

488
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,280
But it's just sort of like he 
need he needed to invest so much

489
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,800
into this effort. 
I think that it's going to 

490
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:45,960
obviously benefit him for the 
rest of the season. 

491
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,960
And so I don't think he's 
necessarily vocalized. 

492
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,120
And, you know, I think I I 
talked to one of his agents in 

493
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,840
the lead up to this. 
I was like, Hey, you know, Josh 

494
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:57,800
isn't in the quota right now for
world ultimate champs. 

495
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,040
Cause like he's hasn't raced 
enough in the window. 

496
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,240
And they're like, yeah, I mean, 
it's, it's that's a discussion 

497
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,960
for after this week. 
Like there's been so much pent 

498
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:13,320
up and built up for London and 
then for Comm games that after 

499
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,360
that is sort of like when 
they'll decide if they'll take 

500
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,440
this all the way through to, to 
September. 

501
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,920
It would be really nice, right? 
Like we want to see some of the 

502
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,240
best in the world. 
And we know that Yared has 

503
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,680
already through, I think 
comments by Dathan Ritzenheim 

504
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,000
has said that that's going to be
just sort of where he wants to 

505
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,080
be at his best. 
And so we're just seeing because

506
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,840
of the beauty of the quote, UN 
quote off year, all these 

507
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:37,080
athletes have these different 
priorities all throughout. 

508
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,000
And so for Josh, this was 
definitely like one of the 

509
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,840
biggest ones. 
So I definitely wanted, yeah. 

510
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,240
This had a huge marketing engine
behind it. 100% Brooks and 

511
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,400
Project 222. 
Kudos to them. 

512
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,000
I thought they crushed it. 
I loved watching all the YouTube

513
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,800
videos at 3 minutes and 43 
seconds for each of them. 

514
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,760
And and I also just love that he
did it in a very real race. 

515
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:09,320
And I understand why some of the
other top athletes that we maybe

516
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,120
wish would have been in this 
didn't run. 

517
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,560
But I'm a little disappointed 
that a few guys knew that they 

518
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,480
were going to have a rabbit for 
16109 meters and decided not to 

519
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:29,920
run in London because you could 
just gotten on that train and 

520
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,080
see what you could do. 
And so, you know, ultimately, as

521
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:37,960
far as Diamond League, 15 
hundreds of miles go, this was 

522
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:43,280
arguably the weakest one. 
It's like, for a while it was 

523
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,920
not a deep race. 
They ended up running fast. 

524
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,600
I mean, Yarrett obviously ran 
345, JK Ward 346 from the depths

525
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,120
of hell coming out. 
He's #3 on the British like all 

526
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,640
time list and I mean would a 
comeback if there's like 

527
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,200
comeback player of the year, 
it's in cause like what? 

528
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:05,000
I need him on a Sidious Mag 
podcast after what he's gone 

529
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:09,360
through these last few years. 
346 unbelievable. 

530
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,720
Farkin obviously ran 346 Nathan 
Greene 348 O for PB. 

531
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,200
Like we ended up getting great 
times, but on paper walking in 

532
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,760
today it was not as deep as it 
could have been. 

533
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,720
Some of the guys are DNFS, 
Mohammed Abdullahi and Simeon 

534
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,120
Birnbaum. 
I will give them credit cause 

535
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,160
like they sent it like you could
see, you could see in the race 

536
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,480
broadcast, they didn't make it 
as far as maybe they'd hoped, 

537
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,760
but both those guys ended up 
DNFS like they went for it for 

538
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,840
quite a bit. 
Simeon as well in his Diamond 

539
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,800
League debut, trying to take it 
that deep. 

540
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,040
But yeah, really impressive. 
So you had yard running faster 

541
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,840
at this meet than he did at the 
Pre Classic JK Ward with that 

542
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,600
huge PB. 
Yeah. 

543
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:57,200
I mean National Records PBS all 
the way down to 9th place. 

544
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:02,640
He got Sam Prekel dipping under 
350 and going 34963. 

545
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,080
He's been on a little bit of a 
of a tear as well. 

546
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,480
Overall it was, you know, all 
eyes were clearly on the front 

547
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:16,560
end with Josh and and yard, but.
Arlo Ludwick on a tear right 

548
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,800
now. 
Look, I know that your audience 

549
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,800
may not be familiar, but that's 
a great 348 one for him. 

550
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,440
Our British fans. 
I know Preet is fired up about 

551
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,800
that one. 
He was, he's the British 1500 

552
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,040
champ, I'm pretty sure is what 
we, we talked about him a little

553
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,040
bit in the preview because I was
like, who is this guy? 

554
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,960
And Preet like highlighted, so 
he's having like the season. 

555
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,600
Of a good one, yeah. 
So yeah, I'm just again, like, 

556
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,480
surprised. 
Like where's Timothy Cherry at? 

557
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,320
Like he would have probably been
down to go through. 

558
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,560
But other people are getting 
ready for Commonwealth Games 

559
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,280
and, you know, they're Europeans
or different parts of the 

560
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,760
season. 
National championships are 

561
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,400
coming up. 
It didn't make sense for 

562
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:02,480
everyone and just the idea of 
being another miler watching 

563
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,920
that at home, specifically a few
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Does it surprise you at all? 
I guess just sort of that, you 

605
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:24,520
know, because I think it was Ath
stats or whatever it is. 

606
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,920
Is it from the, he's a 
statistician from Australia on 

607
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,800
Twitter pointed out that if, you
know, Yarid or if Josh broke the

608
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,800
world record, he'd be maybe the 
second oldest person to break 

609
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,320
the mile world record. 
He's 29 years old. 

610
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:44,640
Like what part of that is 
surprising to you or not? 

611
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:49,360
Not because it's it does feel 
like so much of this has been a 

612
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,360
result of compounding fitness 
from over the years. 

613
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:58,160
Like if you go back, no one has 
probably had a better last five 

614
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,320
years in the sport than Josh 
than in the 1500 than Josh Kerr.

615
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,560
Yeah, a quick correction. 
He's 2828. 

616
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,600
Don't don't make up years yet, 
Chris. 

617
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,960
He's got life left. 
Yeah, I was thinking about that.

618
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:21,040
Just the amount that since 2020,
Josh has just been there, always

619
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,560
so consistently on the medal 
stand, breaking records. 

620
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,960
His only blips right, are 2022 
in Eugene. 

621
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,960
He made the final but then had a
little bit of had a stinker 

622
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,840
there. 
That's that was maybe his worst 

623
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,200
year of the last couple years 
and then last year just 

624
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,400
unfortunately getting injured at
the wrong time. 

625
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:40,920
But other than that, like, there
really hasn't been too many 

626
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,480
misses. 
Yeah. 

627
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,800
And you know, before that he was
winning instead of Blaze left 

628
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:51,200
and right. 
So, yeah, it's all right. 

629
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,240
So thinking a little bit now 
about the legacy. 

630
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,440
Yeah, the goat conversation and 
this is where we're. 

631
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:00,920
Going to goat convos and unless 
you have anything else about the

632
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:06,640
actual race, but where do we 
slide in? 

633
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,280
Right now, it's so it's hard, 
right? 

634
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,920
Because the value of an Olympic 
gold medal is so high in 

635
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,240
conversations like this. 
And that's the one in the set 

636
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:21,080
that's missing for Josh at the 
Games. 

637
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,600
He'd come, he came so close in 
2024. 

638
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:31,200
And so much of this could be, I 
guess, like there's so much of 

639
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,840
this discussion could be already
taken care of if he would have 

640
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:41,280
just won that for that race. 
And then at the same time, 

641
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,240
you'll have your critics who 
make the case against Josh for 

642
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:50,760
the total body of work, not 
having as many sub, you know, 

643
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:57,000
320 eights as Elgar Rouge or 
3/23/20 nines as him. 

644
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:00,160
But it's because, like, we're in
a different era of racing where 

645
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,920
it's like he's not necessarily 
getting out there as much. 

646
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,200
So as of right now, I wonder if 
he's if he's moved all the way 

647
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:11,760
up to like #2 on like all time 
in the, in the GOAT conversation

648
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,520
behind Elgar Rouge until he 
maybe snags the 15 world record 

649
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,960
from him. 
But because he does have two 

650
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,720
Olympic medals. 
But the problem is it's just 

651
00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:24,320
neither of them are gold. 
Yeah. 

652
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,200
It's so hard. 
I mean, so the question would 

653
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,960
be, does he usurp Nordian 
Morchelli, right? 

654
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:38,280
Like who had set the mile world 
record and prior to El Guruge 

655
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:44,000
was really running the event, so
he won Atlanta 96 Worlds in 

656
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,080
959391. 
That's a lot of SO. 

657
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:53,280
He's got he's got 4 golds and a 
world indoor 1500 gold. 

658
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:58,000
Wow. 
But now Josh has run faster in 

659
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,320
the mile. 
So they're, they're pretty close

660
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:09,560
I would say, you know, I think, 
I think in within two years he 

661
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,600
gets more Sally. 
OK, so you're, you're putting 

662
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,640
Josh at #3 on the Mount 
Rushmore. 

663
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:20,400
And again, up where we're not 
asking questions here. 

664
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,240
This is all subjective, right? 
Yeah. 

665
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,320
Yeah, yeah. 
But I'm saying we're not diving 

666
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,040
into. 
The era that these guys were 

667
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,640
running at, I mean, that's an 
important thing to note. 

668
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,760
I mean, for the listeners who 
are probably just like, oh, what

669
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,880
are they getting at? 
Well, it's like so many of these

670
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,640
Marks and times and performances
were set before there was proper

671
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:43,120
testing for EPO and the athlete 
biological passport way before 

672
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:47,320
super shoes. 
And so, yeah, I mean, it's, it's

673
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,160
OK for people to have their 
level of skepticism for those 

674
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,720
times and performances. 
So, but at the same time, like 

675
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,760
here's I was, I was having this 
discussion yesterday with 

676
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:02,360
someone because they were like 
would does would it shock you if

677
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:08,520
now you know Josh is getting 
drug tested right after this 

678
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,560
race, right? 
Pee, blood, all that kind of 

679
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,840
stuff. 
And in a couple. 

680
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:18,440
Of other stuff. 
What spit COVID test? 

681
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,880
I don't know. 
Test test them for whatever. 

682
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,920
Take a stool sample if you want,
but and, and in a couple weeks, 

683
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:31,040
you know, we'll get the, the, 
you know, official ratification 

684
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:33,040
from World Athletics. 
Maybe it takes a couple months, 

685
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,600
whatever that they. 
Just want another Instagram 

686
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:36,600
post? 
Yeah, yeah. 

687
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:42,200
That the world record's been 
ratified and you can, you know, 

688
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,320
have your belief about what you 
saw was true and real. 

689
00:40:47,720 --> 00:40:51,360
And and so I think Josh is one 
of those athletes that I have 

690
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,360
high confidence in is doing 
things the right way. 

691
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,640
He's always been a very vocal 
critic of, you know, he's 

692
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:04,280
doesn't have any Tues. 
He is very much pro clean sport.

693
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:10,480
So that's sort of where maybe it
does drive more points toward 

694
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,680
him in his, you know, legacy 
that he's doing all of this in 

695
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,760
an era where you can have a 
greater sense of confidence in 

696
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,960
the performance. 
So I'm sure there will be people

697
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,520
who are ready to, you know, hand
them, you know, the GOAT title 

698
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:25,160
after this. 
I want it. 

699
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,840
I, you know, this is already 
like the best event in track and

700
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:34,840
field, and now it's only gotten 
even more entertaining in the 

701
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,760
lead up to 2028. 
Josh has earned the right to 

702
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:43,000
talk his talk for whatever he 
wants to kind of declare and 

703
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:48,480
throw out there. 
And so, yeah, it's there's two 

704
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,480
more big boxes for him to check.
It's the 1500 meter world record

705
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:59,360
and it's the Olympic gold medal 
in LA 28 and I would assume that

706
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:04,160
the 15 one will probably try and
come soon because he did split a

707
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:08,480
personal best today and route to
his mile world record. 

708
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,560
Yeah, I mean, he obviously has 
some championship racing and 

709
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,640
that'll help him get into the 
World Ultimate Championships if 

710
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:18,160
he runs 325. 
Well, also I was thinking it was

711
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,400
like, you know how they have 
those special invitations from 

712
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,080
Sebco? 
He would probably get one now, 

713
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,200
especially more than anything 
for a spot at the World Ultimate

714
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:26,800
Champs. 
Yeah. 

715
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:31,400
This will help his ranking. 
Chris, I just want to go out and

716
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:38,560
say that the anti Josh Kerr 
rhetoric and narrative that 

717
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:44,200
exists out there is so misplaced
and wrong. 

718
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:49,320
So everything Josh does is so 
good for the sport. 

719
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:54,320
He is so vocal, he is super 
transparent, he shares 

720
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,000
everything. 
He does things the right way and

721
00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:03,000
and like, even if you root 
against him because you like 

722
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,920
Jakob or you like Cole or you 
like Jared, he makes people care

723
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,360
so much. 
And that's so good. 

724
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,040
But I also just want to take a 
step back and just say like, 

725
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:17,160
it's clearly a persona of sorts 
that he knows that when he 

726
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,440
speaks in a lot with a lot of 
confidence that it gets people 

727
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,480
interested. 
It's kind of like Noah Lyles, 

728
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,520
who has a little bit of a 
persona we know. 

729
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:32,880
But it's funny because all of 
Josh's teammates love him and 

730
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,680
everyone that I know that has 
ever interacted with Josh really

731
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:41,520
respect him and enjoys company. 
And it's just like bad people 

732
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,680
have been completely fooled by 
the little bit of like wrestling

733
00:43:45,720 --> 00:43:49,640
trash talk that he does 
sometimes and like legitimately 

734
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:55,520
don't like him for that reason. 
And it's just he makes you care 

735
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,680
in a sport that so desperately 
needs people to make you care. 

736
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:03,160
And I think he's crushing 
everything he's doing to get 

737
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:08,600
people invested in it. 
And hopefully this one some some

738
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:13,240
people over to approach Josh 
Kerr, although we need some anti

739
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:16,040
Josh Kerr out there because it 
makes it interesting, but. 

740
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,960
Yeah, I guess like what do you 
think is the the side that 

741
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:22,160
people miss when it comes to 
Josh? 

742
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,080
You've had your professional 
dealings with him obviously last

743
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:30,960
year signing him as an athlete. 
And I think when the cameras are

744
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,800
off, you do sometimes see a 
different Josh in a, in a, in a 

745
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,640
good way. 
Case in point. 

746
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:40,840
And I'll share this moment that 
I, that I saw we were at Milrose

747
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:45,200
Games this year right before the
meet started. 

748
00:44:45,240 --> 00:44:47,560
I think we were by the 
credential pick up when you 

749
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,440
walked in. 
And I think Josh walked in, I 

750
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,440
think like maybe 5 or so minutes
later and like he pulled you 

751
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:56,920
aside and it was it like it like
just just to talk to you 

752
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,400
one-on-one. 
And it was more about like, hey,

753
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:04,520
like, obviously the business 
dealings of what what you guys 

754
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,680
had been going through over the 
last, you know, 12 months or so 

755
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:10,960
were not great. 
But he was just genuinely happy 

756
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,760
that you would still chose to be
involved in the sport. 

757
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,160
And he's someone who just cares 
about the sport at so many 

758
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,520
different levels beyond just 
sort of like him as an athlete, 

759
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:24,040
him as a marketer. 
Like he's always been one who 

760
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,520
makes time for it. 
I would say so many different 

761
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,840
people. 
Yeah, no, I mean, always so easy

762
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:36,920
to get him like on the phone to 
talk to journalists or to do 

763
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,520
media things or appearances, any
of that, always signing 

764
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,280
autographs. 
But yeah, to your point, it was 

765
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,400
it was Melrose. 
It was like my first actual 

766
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,760
track meet that I had attended 
again since the whole GST 

767
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,400
debacle. 
And was I was, you know, feeling

768
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:53,960
a certain way about being back 
at a track meet. 

769
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:59,000
And Josh saw me, came up and 
like, gave me just a, hey, no 

770
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:04,200
one blames you. 
Everyone knows like, and I'm 

771
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:06,080
pumped that you're back and 
working with Sidious because the

772
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:07,560
sport needs you. 
And it's like, that's just 

773
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,240
that's how he operates. 
That's type of guy he is. 

774
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:15,640
And then you give him a 
microphone and a platform on 

775
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,080
stage the day before in a press 
conference and he's going to 

776
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:23,080
like make things interesting. 
So I'm very happy for him, as 

777
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:26,040
you could probably tell by the 
tone of my voice the last 45 

778
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,440
minutes to this podcast, both 
for just like Josh the person 

779
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:34,080
and what he is doing to like 
just bring excitement to the 

780
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,000
sport, which is obviously 
something that we're really 

781
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:37,520
passionate about. 
Yeah. 

782
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:42,160
All right, so I think just to 
wrap this up, we've got we'll do

783
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,880
a full this week in track and 
field breakdown of the London 

784
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:48,840
Diamond League when Pre jumps on
the Mike come Monday. 

785
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:52,320
But we definitely wanted to 
spend some extra time and react 

786
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:57,160
while the feelings are still so 
fresh to this 34266 world 

787
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,760
record. 
And yeah, we have tons of 

788
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,880
interviews on the Cidius Mag 
YouTube channel that Preet has 

789
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:08,000
been gathering in the mix zone. 
We will attach the Josh Kerr 

790
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:12,160
interview to this episode right 
after so you can listen to his 

791
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:16,560
post race thoughts and feelings.
And yeah, I mean, what an 

792
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,680
incredible day for milers all 
around the world and for the 

793
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,080
sport in general. 
So super exciting stuff. 

794
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:29,320
And yeah, the, it's fun because 
I guess, like, you know, I was 

795
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:33,280
just at Fanatics Fest here in 
New York City a couple days ago 

796
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:40,120
and it, it struck me that I, I 
watched Jalen Brunson and Josh 

797
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,640
Hart interview Aaron Judge. 
It was all right. 

798
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,640
It was, it was, I was mostly 
there because I was like, I 

799
00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:46,760
didn't get to go to any of the 
games, didn't get to go to the 

800
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,280
parade. 
I wanted to be kind of up close 

801
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:55,440
and see the Champs. 
And Josh Hart asked Aaron Judge 

802
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,800
like, hey, like since I've been 
playing for the Knicks, like 

803
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,160
I've just found out that Nick's 
Twitter is like crazy. 

804
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,880
He sits on and if you follow 
Josh Hart on Twitter or if 

805
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,120
you're in that side of your 
algorithm with the NBA and stuff

806
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:14,680
like he's he responds to people,
responds to fans and all that 

807
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,440
kind of stuff. 
And he asks Aaron Judges, like, 

808
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:18,080
are you also on like Yankees 
Twitter? 

809
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,800
Yankees Twitter is like kind of 
wild because he gets now Josh 

810
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,640
Harkins exposed to all New York 
Twitter. 

811
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:29,440
And Aaron Judge was like, no, I 
just kind of like stay focused 

812
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:31,760
on my thing. 
I'm not as much on social media.

813
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,200
And it's funny because like 
there are so many of those 

814
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:36,880
different types of athletes like
Josh Hart. 

815
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:40,840
I mean, Josh Kerr resembles more
of like the Aaron Judge type or 

816
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,960
just sort of like more to 
himself. 

817
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,360
Yes, you see like all the social
media posts, but we all know at 

818
00:48:45,360 --> 00:48:48,120
this point that he's got like a 
a separate social media team to 

819
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:52,680
to things. 
And so, but whereas like I go 

820
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:58,560
back to worlds 2023 where we sat
down with like Noah Lyles and he

821
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,600
was telling us he was listening 
to this podcast, like the days 

822
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,400
leading up in the days leading 
up to his races. 

823
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:07,000
And when we interviewed him 
after winning gold, he was like,

824
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:08,760
which one of you was the one who
like doubted me? 

825
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,720
And so it's just really cool. 
I guess like that we're just 

826
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,200
this deep within the sport and 
we're able to kind of have these

827
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,360
moments with the athletes. 
So obviously, I guess like the 

828
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,160
next hope is we can get Josh on 
the pod sometime next week and 

829
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:26,240
and chat him chat him up. 
So should be good. 

830
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,560
All right, well that does it for
this episode. 

831
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,160
Hope you guys enjoyed it and we 
will catch you guys again on 

832
00:49:32,240 --> 00:49:36,160
Monday. 
When did you know it was the? 

833
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,720
First couple 100 years, you 
know, my pacemakers did their 

834
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:39,760
job. 
They set the tone and I was 

835
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,920
falling down the red. 
The weather was great, the track

836
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,720
was electric and at that point 
it was just stay present every 

837
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:47,680
step and the left, it didn't 
build too much and I was able to

838
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:48,960
press that squeeze, that last 
one. 

839
00:49:49,240 --> 00:49:51,920
And can you describe the last 
100 meters, what was going 

840
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:54,240
through your mind and in that 
moment when you crossed the line

841
00:49:54,240 --> 00:49:57,000
and you knew you'd done? 
It I was super present and I did

842
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,800
slow down a little bit and that 
was so me, but I got to line as 

843
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,080
quickly as I could. 
I thought, you know, my best 

844
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:03,920
day, I could probably be a 
couple of seconds under it. 

845
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,880
And today I was half a second 
under it. 

846
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:07,760
And you know, that was probably 
me just soaking it in that last 

847
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:09,880
100 or so. 
But you know, the splits were 

848
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,800
great early and they flowed 
through the middle and, and I'd 

849
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,040
squeeze that last one and you 
know, that's what needed to be 

850
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:16,640
done. 
And I was sending TV's all 

851
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:17,840
around the place. 
So we're having a good time. 

852
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,200
And last one from me, what does 
it mean to do it here in London 

853
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,400
in front of that crowd and the 
history of British Mile running?

854
00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:26,440
Yeah, I think, you know, if I 
want to go out and run a world 

855
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,280
record, you can do that anywhere
in the world. 

856
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,840
But if you want to affect the 
generation and, and do it for 

857
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:33,280
your people and you have to do 
it at your home and, you know, 

858
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,840
to be able to have an incredible
Diamond League here that had a 

859
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:39,360
an amazing crowd and people that
hopefully will will take that 

860
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:42,560
performance to their local clubs
and, and, and then effect and 

861
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,280
some coaching staff and parents 
to bring their kids down to the 

862
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:47,560
local running tracks. 
I will try and be available for 

863
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,360
for them over the next few weeks
for the Commonwealth Games. 

864
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,040
And that's what they like to 
say. 

865
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:52,640
I want to leave. 
Thank you. 

866
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,360
Congrats on a 15 PB. 
Is that what it was? 

867
00:50:56,480 --> 00:50:59,720
327 five. 
There's been lots of talk about 

868
00:50:59,720 --> 00:51:02,280
the physical fatigue. 
What about the mental fatigue 

869
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:04,560
like what you've put in in the 
last three months for this? 

870
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:06,280
Yeah, it's not, it's not 
registered yet. 

871
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:14,160
I think the. 
The it's what you put in is what

872
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:15,520
your team's put in. 
It's everything. 

873
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,080
And like you couldn't do the 
more proud than you did then and

874
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:22,080
the effort you put in 
emotionally to do this, How many

875
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:23,200
times can you do that in a 
career? 

876
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,720
It's hard. 
I think it's always tough. 

877
00:51:28,240 --> 00:51:32,000
It's that's all of me. 
That's every matter I want to 

878
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,920
do. 
It's it's a hard job, but you're

879
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,240
not bulletproofing and and the 
sport is hard. 

880
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:39,880
Every sport is difficult. 
Everyone's going through the 

881
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,080
battles, but that's all I had 
today. 

882
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,600
Yeah. 
Do you feel kind of more excited

883
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:45,600
if you can turn your attention 
back to championship running? 

884
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:48,200
Does that feel easier after 
having focused on something like

885
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,480
this? 
How do you compare the 2? 

886
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:52,400
It's a good balance. 
I think, you know, having yard 

887
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:55,200
in there, what an incredible 
athlete he is and I saw I peeked

888
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,200
at him in the 1st 100 and I was 
like, all right, let's jump on 

889
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,560
and let's get to work a little 
bit. 

890
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:03,200
And so it was a balance. 
I was working against the clock.

891
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,160
I was working against him a 
little bit and you know, he's 

892
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,520
such an incredible athlete and 
he brought the best at me as 

893
00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,800
well today. 
So yeah, there's some great 1500

894
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,560
guys right now on the circuit 
and there's a couple that are 

895
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:14,960
working their way back. 
So this this event will get back

896
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,080
to its best and hopefully we can
continue to make battles and and

897
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:19,320
put together performances like 
that. 

898
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,400
There's only one guy that's run 
222 there, so. 

899
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,000
Yeah, as of right now, yeah, 
right now, hopefully. 

900
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:26,080
Yeah. 
I know that's going to rouse 

901
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,880
some boys up. 
So it's going to be a great 

902
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:29,200
event to watch all the way 
through the games. 

903
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,040
Did you realize you've broken 
the British record for 1500? 

904
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,280
During the I did, that's why I 
was so slow the last hundred. 

905
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,000
I was asking. 
No, it was, it was great. 

906
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,600
You know, I said if I can see 
anything in the 27th to the 

907
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,840
split, I'll be a happy man. 
And I told my parents the same 

908
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:45,720
thing. 
I said if you see 46, you see 

909
00:52:45,720 --> 00:52:48,000
27. 
You know, you know that I've got

910
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:49,760
it and I just lift your knees, 
get to the line. 

911
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:50,440
But. 
You saw the. 

912
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,560
Cop as well while you were 
running I only came up for air 

913
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,240
about two or three times and and
then because I trust my Pacers 

914
00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:58,280
so you know I I had a peek and I
saw the lights weren't weren't 

915
00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:00,200
getting too far ahead of me and 
I I knew I was going to have to 

916
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,920
be on the attack and that last 
600 so yeah there was a couple 

917
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,360
times that I saw splits that I 
needed and yeah they were they 

918
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,080
were coming to me I wasn't 
playing too much fun can I just.

919
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,440
Ask you. 
So I spoke to some of the other 

920
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,720
guys who were erased with him 
and they just felt it. 

921
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,960
One of the grips were shaky, The
noise of the stadium. 

922
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,960
Why do we feel like that? 
You know, I I've been lucky 

923
00:53:21,960 --> 00:53:23,560
enough to be in some pretty 
incredible stadiums. 

924
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,400
Today was the best experience of
my life. 

925
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,400
You know, Paris in in 2024 was 
very similar where, you know, 

926
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:30,960
we've hyped up a race for so 
long and I'll be able to go in 

927
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,200
there and battle for my life. 
And. 

928
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,960
And yeah, I think those are the 
moments that you're going to 

929
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,480
remember the rest of your life. 
And that last hundred, it was 

930
00:53:37,720 --> 00:53:40,600
absolutely balancing in here and
hopefully it was fun for every 

931
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,480
time. 
But you know, I had to show up 

932
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,560
and do my job. 
You know, I've been promising an

933
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,360
effort and all that effort. 
That's all I was able to do 

934
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,560
today. 
But you know, to call it the 

935
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:52,720
exact time, you know, that's 
just marketing block, I think a 

936
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:55,560
little bit. 
But you know, again, my, my, my 

937
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,960
people did their job and I just 
need to turn up and do mine 

938
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:12,080
today. 
It's a relief. 

939
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:15,640
It's, it's going to take it some
time to sink in. 

940
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,040
I think, you know, just even 
just watching it back or 

941
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:21,080
allowing me to like watch it 
and, and be proud of myself. 

942
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,120
I think right now it's just like
a whirlwind of emotion and just 

943
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,720
wanting to get to my people and,
and, and celebrate with them. 

944
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:28,120
And, you know, it was mostly 
them. 

945
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:29,440
I was just out there doing my 
job. 

946
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,120
I had a, I've had a great time 
out here. 

947
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,320
You know, they've had the 
stressful time and I've put them

948
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:34,840
through the wringer over the 
last couple of months. 

949
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,760
Definitely. 
And we've had smooth camps and 

950
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,480
they've done their job 
incredibly well, but their job 

951
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,200
is way harder than mine. 
I just have to go out there and 

952
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,520
work for three minutes and I've 
had a good time, but they've 

953
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,440
just had to stress for for 
months and months. 

954
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:47,880
What does this? 
Mean to you outside sports, 

955
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,280
athletics, because it's such a 
mental mountain to the point 

956
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,640
where you're the best, not just 
in the world, currently the 

957
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,960
best. 
Wrapping your head around that 

958
00:54:57,960 --> 00:54:59,440
takes some time. 
I think, you know, that was the 

959
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,520
first, first one for me, you 
know, working with my 

960
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,400
performance coach Jose, who was 
able to come over to the UK with

961
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:06,800
me and, and, and work on things.
I met with them every single 

962
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:10,560
morning and, and, and he just 
allows me to wrap my head around

963
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:12,520
being in my body and, and 
getting out of mind, you know, 

964
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:14,080
anxiety, race, nerves, all that 
stuff. 

965
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:15,880
Young athletes feel like I still
feel that. 

966
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,680
And it's about, you know, 
owning, owning your space and 

967
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:21,520
and, you know, taking up the 
space that you deservedly have. 

968
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,200
It's been it's been a tough 
little journey and there's a lot

969
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:26,960
of pressure around it, but I've 
seen know that my body was 

970
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,840
capable and my mind was ready to
follow. 

971
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,440
You're such. 
An inspiration and role model to

972
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,600
everyone around the world. 
Here's your inspiration. 

973
00:55:34,600 --> 00:55:37,320
Who were you looking to when you
were trying? 

974
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:40,160
To my people, I think my 
coaching staff are the best in 

975
00:55:40,160 --> 00:55:42,280
the world. 
My, my wife, my, my parents have

976
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,600
just sacrificed six weeks of 
their own work to come out and, 

977
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:47,400
you know, work on me and, and, 
and help me every single day. 

978
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:51,320
And, you know, I have a, a 
mountain of staff the are able 

979
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,520
to just help in every way, shape
or form. 

980
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,040
I just show up everyday, train 
and go hard and, and go and have

981
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,320
a nap and they worry about every
single thing that I do. 

982
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:01,520
I'm a baby at sorts. 
And, and, and hopefully they 

983
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,200
provided those emotions. 
But even, you know, my mom, my, 

984
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,680
my parents and my brother and my
wife in the stadium. 

985
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,320
I just go off to them. 
Thank you. 

986
00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:15,040
Thank you. 
All right, that's a wrap on 

987
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:17,320
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988
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:20,280
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989
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,360
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990
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,240
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991
00:56:26,240 --> 00:56:29,400
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992
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,320
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993
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,480
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994
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,720
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995
00:56:38,720 --> 00:56:41,080
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996
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997
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:49,240
Thanks again for listening. 
We're back with Bandits Head of 

998
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:52,840
Experiences Tim Rossi for more 
on Bandits unsponsored project. 

999
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:58,040
So when we look at the roster of
athletes who have come through 

1000
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:02,720
the unsponsored project, in 
certain cases athletes graduate 

1001
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:07,240
and then they go on and get 
professional contracts for from 

1002
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:10,880
major sportswear and footwear 
companies. 

1003
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,680
What is that process been like 
over the last couple years? 

1004
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,000
Yeah, it's been really, really 
cool to see. 

1005
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,400
It's part of what we talk about 
as success of the Unsponsored 

1006
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,360
project. 
We want to get to the point 

1007
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:24,560
where Bandit will have athletes 
in the future, but right now the

1008
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:27,280
Unsponsored Project is our 
primary athlete support 

1009
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,560
mechanism and we want people to 
be able to go and get those full

1010
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,400
time long term sponsorship 
deals. 

1011
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,840
So at this point, over the three
years, we've had 11 total people

1012
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:39,680
of the roughly 100 that we've 
supported as part of the 

1013
00:57:39,680 --> 00:57:43,360
unsponsored project go and get 
signed by a variety of different

1014
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:45,400
brands. 
And it's different every single 

1015
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,360
time. 
I often times like to go back to

1016
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:50,960
Trevor Bassett, who made the 
Olympics in 2024, was an 

1017
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,880
unsponsored project athlete when
competing in Eugene. 

1018
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:56,720
And then the next year, we 
actually were supporting Trevor 

1019
00:57:56,720 --> 00:58:01,160
on an extended unsponsored 
project style support contract. 

1020
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,200
And he gave me a call in March 
or April. 

1021
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:05,360
I can't remember exactly what 
month it was, but he's like, 

1022
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:08,160
hey, Adidas is offering me a 
deal. 

1023
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:10,200
I'm like, hell yeah, dude, 
that's super, super awesome. 

1024
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:13,400
That's exactly what we want. 
And now he's still competing 

1025
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,440
under the Adidas umbrella. 
And it it's really, really 

1026
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:19,200
amazing to see. 
We'll have more on Bandits 

1027
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:21,720
Unsponsored project in the 
coming weeks on the CD Smack 

1028
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:23,920
podcast and in the Lab Count 
newsletter.