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Check it all out at 42 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:16,440 xendurance.com. Code Sidious for 25% off your 43 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,760 first order. What's up everyone? 44 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,920 You are listening to the CDs Mag podcast. 45 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:24,600 I'm your host Chris Chavez, and every week we go beyond the 46 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,240 results to bring you conversations with the biggest 47 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:29,640 names on the track, the roads and behind the scenes. 48 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,920 From world class athletes and coaches to innovators shaping 49 00:02:32,920 --> 00:02:35,080 the sport. If it's happening on the track, 50 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,000 we're covering it with real insights that sharpen minds, 51 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:41,520 deep dives into the moments that define careers and the kind of 52 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,520 access to the pros you won't get anywhere else. 53 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:48,120 So let's get into it because we love track and field. 54 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,080 Before we dive into today's episode, a quick moment of 55 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,160 gratitude. The only reason this show keeps 56 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,080 humming is because you press play, you text it to your 57 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,040 running buddies and you care about this sport just as much as 58 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,520 we do. That means everything to us. 59 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:05,080 If the podcast has been part of your weekly routine, one of the 60 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,920 simplest ways to support it is by leaving a five star View on 61 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:10,120 Apple podcast. It helps more people find the 62 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,120 show and keeps us doing what we love. 63 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,120 And that's talking track with you. 64 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,040 We also love shouting out listeners who take the time to 65 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,160 leave those reviews. So here's one that made me 66 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:22,800 smile. Chris Chavez practices what he 67 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,680 preaches. I've been a listener for a while 68 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,480 now. Enjoy nerding out while I hear 69 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,160 Chris and Preet breakdown race performances and speculate on 70 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,840 future ones. Love the data-driven estimates, 71 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:34,000 but also the intuition of the host. 72 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,000 Imagine my surprise while I was doing my long run on the Central 73 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,360 Park Loop and I look up and I see Chris running toward me 74 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:45,680 while his voice was in my ear. That one was from Sarah, Alaska. 75 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,520 OK, first of all, that was in fact, me. 76 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,720 Despite what my Strava has shown lately, I can't confirm. 77 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:53,840 I have been leaving the apartment and actually getting 78 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,720 out for runs a little less lately since I've been dealing 79 00:03:56,720 --> 00:04:00,080 with some injuries and it's been brutally cold here in New York. 80 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:03,280 But seriously, that review made my day. 81 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:05,840 There's something wild about thinking that the timing of 82 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,720 everything lining up, that my voice might be in someone's 83 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,400 headphones while they're unknowingly sharing miles in the 84 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,000 same park as me. Thanks for listening, Sarah. 85 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:16,480 Thanks for nerding out with us. Really appreciate you. 86 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:19,720 To everyone else listening, thank you. 87 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,079 And if you feel the same way, taking a minute to leave a five 88 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:24,480 star review on Apple Podcast is the best way to support the 89 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,320 show. We read every single one and 90 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:31,760 they genuinely mean a lot to us. My guest for today's episode is 91 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:35,800 Josh Kerr, World Champion Olympic medalist, 2 time World 92 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,440 indoor gold medalist at 3000 meters and now making a little 93 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,400 bit of news. On July 18th at the London 94 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:44,960 Diamond League, Josh will be taking aim at one of the sports 95 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:50,560 most iconic marks. Picamel Garrouge is 343.13 mile 96 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,560 world record which has stood since 1999. 97 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:56,960 He and Brooks are calling the shot publicly with Project 222, 98 00:04:57,040 --> 00:05:00,800 the goal of running the mile in 222 seconds. 99 00:05:01,280 --> 00:05:03,760 And if you know Josh Kerr, that shouldn't surprise you. 100 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,800 He's never been shy about big ambitions. 101 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,400 He's coming off another global title indoors. 102 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,840 He says he feels healthy, sharp and ready. 103 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,800 And he's built this season around 1 clear target, giving 104 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:17,960 one of tracks oldest and most revered records the full respect 105 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:20,320 it deserves. That means we've got a specific 106 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:24,520 date, a home crowd in London, a custom built one off spike, 107 00:05:24,840 --> 00:05:28,440 multiple speed suit prototypes, and a full team effort aimed at 108 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,160 running faster than anyone ever has over the mind. 109 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:35,160 In this conversation, Josh talks about why now is the right time 110 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,320 for this attempt, what makes the mile world record so difficult 111 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,920 to chase, how his training has evolved under coach Danny 112 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,680 Mackie, and why he believes this attempt deserves a lot of 113 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,640 publicity in the lead up. Stay tuned because we'll have a 114 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,920 few more episodes with Brooke Stars coming in the next few 115 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:54,200 weeks as Sidious Mag partners with Brooks at the 2026 Boston 116 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,400 Marathon. In the meantime, without further 117 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:10,520 ado, here is Josh Kerr. All right, now I'm joined by 118 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:16,280 world champion Josh Kerr after adding another global medal to 119 00:06:16,280 --> 00:06:18,560 the collection. How's this one feel different 120 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,280 than all the rest, Josh? It does. 121 00:06:21,280 --> 00:06:25,600 It feels really different, you know, I think for, you know, 122 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:29,720 2023-2024, I was on a bit of a roll, you know, kind of new at 123 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:33,120 the top of the scene and just kind of almost take not taking 124 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,040 it for granted, but not thinking, you know, these are 125 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,480 going to keep coming rounds. You know, I feel like I have an 126 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,840 idea of what I'm doing now and I feel like I'm good at racing. 127 00:06:40,840 --> 00:06:44,800 So, you know, kind of just let them stack up almost. 128 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,360 And then, you know, I went on a bit of a two year dry streak. 129 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,760 So yeah, just taking taking time to enjoy it and, you know, 130 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,760 reflecting a little bit. But you know, it's taken, taken 131 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,960 me 20 years to get a little bit mature. 132 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,320 But yeah, we're getting there. What's I guess the most 133 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,440 important part about an indoor season like the one that you put 134 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,960 together to set yourself up for a solid outdoor season? 135 00:07:06,960 --> 00:07:11,240 Because we've seen this sort of in the past in 2024, last year, 136 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,040 I guess with a little bit more crowded of a spring racing 137 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:18,040 schedule, more, more people opted out of World Indoors. 138 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,960 But how do you use this as like a springboard for outdoors? 139 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:25,720 I think what I learned from kind of late track season last year 140 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,760 and obviously through Japan, like, you know, if if I'm 141 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,840 healthy and I have a good camp going in and I can be resilient, 142 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,400 then I'm going to be tough to deal with. 143 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,840 And so there was options to race. 144 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,880 I was supposed to race British champs and I was going to race. 145 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,040 I was going to try and go and run something fast in the mile 146 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,200 as well. But both of those opportunities, 147 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,040 like when they kind of came around, we would normally have 148 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,480 raced them, but we just were a little bit more cautious this 149 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,520 year because we were like the main things, the main thing. 150 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,320 World indoors is the most important. 151 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:58,720 Melrose was the most important. So that was just kind of what we 152 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,360 focused on, to be honest. And you know, I've always kind 153 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,880 of the the thing that that people dislike about me, which I 154 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,520 understand is that I don't race as often as maybe some other the 155 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,000 other guys and girls. But you know, I've been, you 156 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,880 know, making these teams since 2017. 157 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,480 It's like it's not, you know, I, I don't have the the young spry 158 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,240 energy of the I don't know what they are now 12 year olds that 159 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,000 are running my world records. You know, it's just the way that 160 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,000 that my career is going to be run at this point. 161 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:28,640 I'll be when I'm ready to race, I'll race. 162 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:31,760 I'm not trying to avoid racing. It's just is my body capable and 163 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,919 ready to go? And when it is, I love to go 164 00:08:34,919 --> 00:08:36,520 out. And I do think that this summer 165 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,720 is going to be full of that. Oh, I hope so. 166 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,600 And if it isn't, then it's probably because I'm not ready. 167 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:44,760 You and Danny have like at this point, it feels like you have 168 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,280 the blueprint to what could be just sort of like, here's the 169 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,800 plan if we follow it and you'll be ready to peek at the 170 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,160 championships. But somehow every single time 171 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,920 it's not the exact same plan. Because I think back to a couple 172 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:02,280 years ago, you went out and blasted that mile race at at BU 173 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,440 and use that as kind of like data points for, you know, the 174 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,560 rest of your season. This time around there was the 175 00:09:08,560 --> 00:09:13,600 3K at Mil Rose and then a layoff from racing and now you found a 176 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,800 way to yet again peek at the World Championships indoors. 177 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:19,960 And so it's never been like this linear sort of path. 178 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,920 So how are you going about at this point in this early into 179 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:28,320 2026 structuring which of these plans you want to lean, you 180 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,960 know, towards with with Danny? It's a really good point because 181 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:33,520 to be honest, because I think what Danny's done really well 182 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:37,840 over the past, you know, eight years or so is just adapt to, 183 00:09:38,680 --> 00:09:42,920 you know, my my big ideas. You know, I'll sit down with him 184 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:44,320 and Julian at the start of the season. 185 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,760 I'm like, all right, like spew all these ideas and you know, 186 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:50,800 his job is to go well, this is what I think is possible from 187 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:53,840 those. And I do think that, you know, 188 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:57,600 that is the the definition of a great coach is, you know, how do 189 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,320 they pick their athletes when they want to be ready to go? 190 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,080 Like I'm a major championship guy. 191 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,800 I love, I love the World Championships, Olympic Games, 192 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,760 obviously everyone does, but I just don't put as much weight on 193 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,600 the kind of regular season as much as maybe some other people 194 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,200 do. You know, for, for Danny, his, 195 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,680 you know, his training this year has been so dialed. 196 00:10:15,680 --> 00:10:20,080 We're trying some new stuff out, to be honest, some new some new 197 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,200 training set up so that, you know, we have a deep bag going 198 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:25,960 into the next few years so we can kind of figure out what 199 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:28,040 works best. And so when we're given a 200 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,920 situation where the seasons extended through September or it 201 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:33,720 was a world indoors and an Olympics or, you know, we need 202 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,840 to be ready to go once a month, like we have done that over the 203 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,920 last eight years. And so that's, yeah, that's the 204 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,280 sign of a good coach and a confident coach, I think. 205 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,240 And I think he's doing a great job doing it. 206 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,160 One thing that you said coming through the mix on at World 207 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,760 Indoors this past time around is that in the the biggest moments 208 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:54,320 allow you to dial in. So what is it that like happens 209 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:57,240 and when does that switch sort of turn on for you? 210 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:01,400 Because like for part of the day, your Instagram storying, 211 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,720 just what a day in the life of race day looks like. 212 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,880 But then from there, the competitor we see on the track 213 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,880 is a is a different person than the the online Josh. 214 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:12,080 We've we've put some barriers up for that. 215 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:16,920 The the story stuff I think is important, but it's not as much 216 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,400 as you might think. It's more of a I'm taking a 217 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:22,720 selfie video and texting it to my social media team. 218 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:27,120 It's not like I'm just scrolling the gram because I do think that 219 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,520 insight is important for me at this point in my career where my 220 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:35,640 job is to not expose, but like be transparent and show what my 221 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,320 day looks like and, and, and how I try and compete at the highest 222 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,360 level and try and give some insight. 223 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,000 And, you know, I've been lucky enough to work with great 224 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:45,120 videographers. Here are some of my best friends 225 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:48,040 and great people that can, you know, post those stuff for me so 226 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,360 I can try and, you know, drop down that, you know, that that 227 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,920 wall of the difference between, you know, the athletes there and 228 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,080 the people back at home. But for me, I think, you know, 229 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,600 the day is very much structured very slowly. 230 00:12:02,680 --> 00:12:05,920 I'm on race day especially. It's just with a competition 231 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,880 like this, you know, you have to pick your moments. 232 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,920 It's very tiring. And you know, I'm in a lucky 233 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,600 position where I don't have to share rooms anymore. 234 00:12:14,560 --> 00:12:17,880 So I can kind of be really like chilled out and relaxed. 235 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,040 And you won't see me really socializing with other athletes 236 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,560 or like around food tables or anything like that. 237 00:12:23,560 --> 00:12:27,080 Like I'm just in my own place, in my own zones and watching, 238 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:29,160 you know, rubbishy TV and chat to my missus. 239 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,360 And, and then, then it's when it's time to go. 240 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:33,520 I I, I kind of get that dialogue pretty well. 241 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,560 And, and then, yeah, when it comes to focus, it's just, I can 242 00:12:37,560 --> 00:12:39,760 kind of sway a little bit and I get bored really easily. 243 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,320 So, you know, when it's, you know, the pressure's on and, you 244 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:45,400 know, maybe I've chatted a little bit and shit along the 245 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,800 way. And, you know, I have to have to 246 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:49,880 perform. My body just is able to just, 247 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:53,200 you know, slip into this mode of just, you know, kill or be 248 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,880 killed and just go out there and leave it all on the track. 249 00:12:55,880 --> 00:12:57,520 And I feel very confident in doing that. 250 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,040 We're chatting because we're on the heels of this announcement. 251 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:07,560 Project 222222A mile world record pursuit. 252 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,600 You're someone who is not afraid to throw it out there. 253 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,680 You've jumped on this podcast before, you know, Mill Rose 254 00:13:14,680 --> 00:13:18,240 games and pre classic in the past just to, you know, talk 255 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,080 about just sort of the big ambitions that you have once you 256 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:24,520 do decide to to race. But this one's a little bit 257 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,480 different because it's the mile world record that has stood 258 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,600 since 1999. Why now and how did this come 259 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,000 about? Yeah, this is. 260 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:36,960 This is different to, to anything really, to answer your 261 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:37,760 question. Why now? 262 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:42,440 Because I'm ready, you know, we now have the systems in place. 263 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:45,120 I believe I've been in shape to run this this world record a 264 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:48,560 couple times. And why talk about it? 265 00:13:48,560 --> 00:13:53,040 Because this is one of the most important Track World records, I 266 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,800 think, as you know, and the oldest Track World record. 267 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:02,040 And so to give it the respect it deserves, I think you need to 268 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,040 come out and talk about it. This is not a record that should 269 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:06,320 be stolen in the night. And this is a record that should 270 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:11,040 be revolved your season around. And I'm not going to be shy and 271 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,040 telling people my goals. I'm not afraid to fail. 272 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:17,800 And I have incredible people backing me up on this and 273 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,600 helping me throughout the project to this 222 project, 222 274 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,760 seconds, which ends up in a three 4/2 mile. 275 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,960 So that's the big goal. We'll be doing this at the 276 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:33,440 London Diamond League July 18th. We needed to to have a date. 277 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,760 We needed to have it in the biggest and best stadium in the 278 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:37,720 Diamond League circuit and it needed to be at home. 279 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:42,080 So yeah, all of those factors brought together is, yeah, it's 280 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,240 been a big project so far. And you know, a lot of work has 281 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,440 gone into it so far. And now, now we're finally 282 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:48,480 coming out and chatting about it. 283 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,440 Why do you think it's stood for so long? 284 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:54,200 That's a great question. You know, we're in this middle 285 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:57,440 distance era where, you know, it's some of the most exciting 286 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,080 races. I think some of the best, you 287 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,520 know, middle distance runners will hopefully be remembered 288 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,240 through the generations. And I just think it's one of the 289 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,880 most difficult ones to go after. You know, the the 50 underworld 290 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,760 record in the mall world record together are just they're 291 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,320 they're just they weren't touched for so long. 292 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,480 Like even like through you know, obviously they've been they've 293 00:15:19,480 --> 00:15:24,400 been standing for, you know, what's that 27 years and you 294 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,520 know, a couple years after I was born, it was it was what it was. 295 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,160 So, you know, when a, when a record can stand that long, 296 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,320 it's, you know, sometimes you, it takes an athlete to come out 297 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:38,080 and show that they're even willing to go after it for it 298 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:43,360 to, to even be remotely wobbled. And so I believe I can be an 299 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,280 athlete that can go after that record, hopefully get that 300 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,760 record, and then you never know what's going to come after that. 301 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:52,840 I think back to couple years ago, I think Jacob was also 302 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:55,880 asked about the 1500 or mile world record in one of these 303 00:15:55,920 --> 00:16:00,280 Diamond League meets. And it just sounded from, you 304 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,280 know, the the way he responded that there just isn't as much 305 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,640 kind of admiration for just the circumstances around maybe the 306 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,200 record being set, the time period, all that kind of stuff. 307 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:16,320 I mean, does any of that still sort of not sit as great with 308 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:17,440 you? I don't know. 309 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:21,120 There's the dodginess right of the 80s when it comes to so many 310 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,040 of these throws records and even the Chinese times that faith has 311 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,840 been open about chasing. So for you, I guess like where 312 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,800 do you land on just sort of the comfortability of of the the 313 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:35,400 mile and 1500 world record? It's a shaky place to be. 314 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:41,480 I think, you know, it's not my job to to ask those questions, 315 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,000 It's my job to see what's humanly possible within the 316 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:48,440 limitations of the sport. And so that's why I want to show 317 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,240 as transparent as I can be through the training process. 318 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,560 And I believe I'm the best 5000m runner in the world. 319 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:00,240 You know, if I give my best go at it, revolve a season around 320 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,680 it and do everything I can and I still can't break it, then, you 321 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,640 know, that's the best and closest that I can get. 322 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,640 You know, I'm not afraid to to go after something that, you 323 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,400 know, someone else might have been doing something wrong. 324 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,440 I know I'm not. I know in 2026 we have way 325 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,760 better shoe technology. We have way better, you know, 326 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:21,760 aerodynamics when it comes to uniforms, tracks, crowds, all 327 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,160 this stuff. And so, you know, that's what 328 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,319 I'm relying on. I'm relying on Brooks. 329 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:30,960 I'm relying on my teams to give me the the extra push that I 330 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,640 need. But I do think that, you know, 331 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:39,360 the 34313, I think it's, it's very much within my, within my 332 00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:41,720 ability. I do think what the, the times 333 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,960 that, you know, this year is running in the 1500, we're going 334 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,280 to have a crack at it. And you know, regardless of what 335 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,000 they were doing back in the 90s and has no relevance to me, you 336 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,880 know, I think it's, I think it's humanly possible. 337 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,760 So I'm going to go after it. This episode of the City Smack 338 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:02,360 podcast is supported by Wahoo. 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That's Citius 25 for 25% off at 414 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,720 drinklollipop.com. I cannot believe how strong our 415 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,680 partnership with Lollipop has been over the years. 416 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,240 We're going to keep this thing going. 417 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:17,240 We've made it the runner's soda. All right, so you brought up a 418 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,560 couple different elements of what it takes through technology 419 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,040 obviously being the biggest one. What are some of just sort of 420 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:26,160 like the advances that you've seen from, you know, when you 421 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,800 first signed with Brooks and the first kind of spikes you're 422 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,760 wearing to like the difference of what's on your feet now 423 00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:36,040 versus what could potentially be, I guess, like on your feet 424 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,320 for, for London, Like what like how is it all sort of changed 425 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,080 and, and what's going to make a difference there? 426 00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:45,480 Yeah, when I present this to Brooks, and what would that be 427 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:50,360 now, like 5 months ago, that was a big thing. 428 00:22:50,360 --> 00:22:53,800 I needed investment from them. You know, they've done such an 429 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,640 amazing job over the past, you know, 7-8 years since I've been 430 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,200 part of the, the company and, and the way that they've, you 431 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,440 know, pushed on performance product to the investment 432 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,960 they've put into performance products where from where we 433 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:09,280 were back in 2018 to where we are now is incredible. 434 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,280 I think they've done such a great job and I know they have 435 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,720 the infrastructure to put something together for me. 436 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:19,320 And yeah, to be transparent, we will be having a one off, you 437 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:23,480 know, my world record spike. It's not built for, you know, 438 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:28,400 between 803K or 3K5K. This is built for, you know, 3 439 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:31,360 minutes and 42 seconds. It's built for 222 seconds. 440 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:33,760 It's going to be my world record spike and it's going to be 1 off 441 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,000 built for this race. And and obviously it's going to 442 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,200 be within the guidelines of world athletic spikes. 443 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,120 And this is not going to be a record that a record attempt 444 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:46,080 that's going to be with the standards of this sport. 445 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:50,880 And, you know, I think there's, there was some amazing record 446 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:55,360 attempts in the past, you know, past seven years that have been 447 00:23:55,360 --> 00:23:57,120 like with and I think there's space for that. 448 00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:59,720 But this is not something that needs to be out with the the 449 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,400 rules. So between that and my uniform, 450 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:06,320 we're working on some stuff that is really special. 451 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,080 You know, we're really close with the spike. 452 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,280 We have one more round of testing in the next month or so. 453 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,480 And then they'll be, yeah, they'll be kind of ready and 454 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,360 ready to go. I feel really confident in 455 00:24:17,360 --> 00:24:20,280 those, the uniforms looking pretty cool. 456 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:24,440 And so yeah, we're, we're getting places and I think it's 457 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,800 a massive, massive important part of it because if it can get 458 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:29,800 me an extra point, one of a second, then that's enough. 459 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,360 But I do think it's going to get me a good amount more than that. 460 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,600 Yeah, so break this down for I this is probably more too nerdy 461 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:40,960 and technical, but what makes for a good mile spike that works 462 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:43,040 for you? Because, yeah, I mean, there's 463 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,880 other brands, right where it's sort of like the middle distance 464 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:47,960 spike covers a wide range of distances. 465 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:51,280 Their long distance spike covers a long, a different set some 466 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,400 people are running in, you know, there's sprinters running in 467 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,840 middle distance spikes. But this is just you're saying 468 00:24:55,840 --> 00:25:00,240 focus solely for the mile, very customized and tailored to you 469 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:04,560 what's needed there and like I guess how does it feel? 470 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,080 Yeah, it's, it's, it's very interesting. 471 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,440 And, and, you know, the teams over at Brooks have been like so 472 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,320 far that we've been, you know, collaborating on this for a long 473 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:14,480 time. And we've been collaborating 474 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,480 with the the Spike team for for ages. 475 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,920 So I know them incredibly well. But you know, I have a specific 476 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,800 foot strike, I have a, you know, specific force, you know, I move 477 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,000 around and spikes in different ways to anyone else. 478 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,160 And, and you know, each athlete has has kind of their own 479 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,600 footprint on, on how they use the spikes. 480 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,080 And so, you know, the spike isn't built for anyone but me. 481 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:39,840 And so, you know, force plates, you know, running on, you know, 482 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,840 different, different track surfaces round the bands on the 483 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,760 straights. And then at specific speeds, 484 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,080 obviously that kind of 55 ish split, that's kind of the speed 485 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,520 that we've been working at obviously. 486 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,840 And then the kind of conditions that we're going to be dealing 487 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,480 with in London. So yeah, that's that's what 488 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:57,960 we've been looking at. It's kind of been a really 489 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:02,320 technical, but very specific to my foot strike kind of 490 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,840 situation. So yeah, it's kind of 3D printed 491 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,560 from, you know, my specific foot and obviously where I'm putting 492 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,040 forwards where, you know, where they need to be put an extra 493 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,920 padding and where they need to be working on the specific 494 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,240 responsiveness, specific responsiveness due to, you know, 495 00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:23,680 how how dense the foam needs to be because of the power to 496 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,200 weight ratios, specifically that speed. 497 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,240 And so yeah, everything kind of coming together a little bit. 498 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,880 There's not going to be any, you know, unnecessary weight. 499 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,280 So it might look a little funky in some areas, but there's yeah, 500 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,920 there's a lot of work and getting put into that. 501 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,280 And then, yeah, there's a couple more things that we can tweak, I 502 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,880 think in this last round and then it's going to be good to 503 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,200 go. You've been, I guess, a speed 504 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,480 suit guy for a while. This one's going to have a 505 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,000 custom speed suit. How sleek are we going? 506 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,160 Like how tight fitting is this going to be and and what what 507 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,000 needs to be there I guess for the aerodynamics and that the 508 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,920 sciency side of a speed suit to work? 509 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,000 Yeah, I, I wish I could show you. 510 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,560 They're actually sitting over there. 511 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,000 You know, we haven't got the, the colorways on them quite yet. 512 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,960 But yeah, it's, it's less of like what's different about this 513 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,640 speed? So it's more about like what's 514 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,480 actually similar. It's it's kind of kind of wild. 515 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,320 And, you know, we're asking some questions that I'm sure the one 516 00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,760 that I'm you're like, what on earth are you asking these 517 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,320 questions for? But yeah, it's it's, it's been 518 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:26,960 really fun. You know, that's that's going to 519 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,840 be we're we're in a really good part of the process with them. 520 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,640 With that, you know, we have three options at this point that 521 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:37,440 we're going to kind of put together and kind of build a, 522 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,840 you know, a Frankenstein model from those three. 523 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,480 And and yeah, there's some really fun ideas that that 524 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,880 Brooks Apparel are doing a really good job at. 525 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:47,840 And you know, you never know what kind of weather you get 526 00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,600 with, with London sometimes. Yeah. 527 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,600 That's, I was going to wonder is like 3 different prototypes? 528 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,240 Like do they vary when it comes to sort of like what you would 529 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,360 wear this one if it was this temperature, if it's rainy and 530 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:01,640 cold and go with this one, like what is that really just like 531 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,400 the level of detail you guys are getting into? 532 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,440 Yeah, yeah. So we'll have different weather 533 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,240 uniforms and we'll have options for, you know, you know, say it 534 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:10,880 won't be, you know, four or five options. 535 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,880 It might be one or two options for, you know, if the weather is 536 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,200 looking slightly different to what we think it's going to be. 537 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,160 And you know, we need to make those decisions in April for 538 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,960 July race. So we're not going to have a 539 00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:28,280 specific weather, you know, look at forecast for what it's going 540 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,920 to be, but we'll have some ideas and maybe a more of a warm 541 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,560 weather and more of a more of a chilly weather. 1 But yeah, 542 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,120 everything is through with aerodynamics. 543 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:38,080 So you got to, you got to focus that on number one point. 544 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,600 I think back to breaking 2 when they did the experiment with 545 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,400 Kipchogi and Monza and one of the things that came out of it 546 00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,440 was the fact that he said they there was no crowd, right? 547 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,440 Like, and that was something that probably could have made 548 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,280 him go a little bit faster. Thinking London Diamond League 549 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:59,200 60,000 fans like and, and even Paris where you went deaf, I 550 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,960 think in the middle of the race, like that's something that I 551 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,840 don't necessarily can get lab tested or whatever it is. 552 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,640 So like, how much does that factor into the selection of 553 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,160 we're doing this at the London Diamond League? 554 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,840 Yeah, definitely. It's it's massive. 555 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,640 I think number one was I wanted to do it in the UK because, you 556 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,680 know, hopefully this is a a huge cultural moment for for a lot of 557 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,680 younger athletes that you know, you know, club runners and and 558 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:26,320 you know, people through the systems that I was working 559 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,920 through when I was a kid. And my goal is to, to give back 560 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:31,880 to that community as much as possible. 561 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,240 And so that was #1. And then it was like, well, if 562 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,880 we can get this done, it will in the Diamond League. 563 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,400 It's just, you know, it's so special. 564 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,080 I've raced there as much as I can over the, over my career. 565 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,240 And I, I just think it's one of the most incredible atmospheres 566 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,520 outside of major championships that you can really find. 567 00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,120 And so obviously Danny was way more into like, hey, we need 568 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,640 better weather or like we need to be able to control the race 569 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,120 or anything like that. Now it's just like, you know, 570 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:02,160 this record was built and and raised through normal regular 571 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,440 season racing. And that's the respect it 572 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:08,680 deserves is to go out and do it in a regular season race with my 573 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,400 regular competitors. I'm just going to be peaking at 574 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,120 that point in the season. It's just going to be that that, 575 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,640 you know, as long as no one else can touch the touch the pace 576 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,400 lights or, you know, pick the Pacers, then you know, I'm good 577 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,760 to go. That's that was going to be a 578 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:28,160 follow up question would be we've seen just sort of your 579 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,960 fastest times in your career Paris Olympics with the best 580 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:37,840 competition in the world pre classic mile iconic race Jakob 581 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,560 pushing into the finish line. The London Diamond League going 582 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,480 to have most of the control over who's in this race. 583 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:48,480 Do you want like, are you sort of welcome to the likes of Coal 584 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,080 Yard Jakob being part of this as well to because in the past 585 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,680 we've seen just sort of your best moments come when these 586 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,880 guys are pushing you. Yeah, I think, you know, this is 587 00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:02,400 going to be my attempt. And so if they want to jump in 588 00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,640 there, then, you know, that's that's their, you know, I know 589 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,600 it pre classic. I'm sure they're going to have, 590 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,960 you know, it's a Nike race, so I'm sure they're going to have 591 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,240 stuff going on there. But yeah, at the end of the day, 592 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:13,840 it's a it's a race. It's professional. 593 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,280 As long as we don't have 25 guys on the start line and we have 594 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,040 more falling problems, then then you know, I'm I'm good to go. 595 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,560 It's it's, it's an open race. Yeah, if, if if they run faster 596 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:27,160 at pre, does the title of this project have to change? 597 00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,480 No, man, it's it, you know, for me, like it's important to to 598 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,960 have that goal and you know, have that number to, to look at 599 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,800 everyday. And, you know, if you know, if 600 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,080 the, I always said this to people, because it is a question 601 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,440 that comes up all the time. It's like, you know, what about 602 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,240 this, what about this? And it's like, look, this is a 603 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:48,360 27 year old world record and we're worried about it getting 604 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,600 broken two weeks before. You know, that's not really a 605 00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:52,880 worry of ours. You know, I'm going after the 606 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,320 world record and whatever it is on that day is going to be a 607 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:57,920 time that I think I can run faster. 608 00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:00,880 You already learned the hard way though, that like indoor bio 609 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,000 PRS, my world records may not last all that long. 610 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,520 That's if you're the first athlete to boot the door off the 611 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:11,320 hinges and you got other athletes running by it and then 612 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,880 that's fine. I remember Yard. 613 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,520 That's what I remember from that time. 614 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,280 What's different about the training that's gonna have to go 615 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:25,000 into this versus training for being in 327 shape at the 616 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,440 Olympics? Like you got to basically be in 617 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,880 that shape for, you know, July. And then also at the same time, 618 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,400 like, you know, World Ultimate Championships is a couple months 619 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,600 later. So does that complicate how 620 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,520 you're structuring this outdoor season? 621 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,760 It doesn't complicate it because I don't. 622 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,200 I'm not putting as much weight on that. 623 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,760 We kind of get there when we get there. 624 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,600 This is this is my goal of the season from a regular season 625 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,000 racing standpoint, you know, we'll have Commonwealth Games, 626 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:55,760 Europeans and stuff like that afterwards. 627 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,200 But you know, this is this is the peak, you know, this is when 628 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,920 I need to be in the best time specific shape of the season. 629 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,800 And that's, you know, that's the way that we're going to 630 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,520 structure. Got you. 631 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:11,840 This is super, super exciting, Josh, and wishing you all the 632 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,920 best of luck as I mean, training already seems to be well 633 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,960 underway for this thing and very excited to follow along with all 634 00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:21,560 the developments when it comes to the spikes, the kit. 635 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,320 But yeah, this is this is going to be very entertaining for for 636 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:26,760 fans. What do you hope the fans get 637 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,720 out of just sort of like the next couple months when it comes 638 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,840 to just sort of, I'm sure your YouTube channel, just the Brooks 639 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,920 pages, all that kind of stuff will be pumping out content 640 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,800 around this. Yeah, definitely. 641 00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,840 I think, you know, I want, I want the mile to be as exciting 642 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:46,600 a distance as it has been in the world history of running. 643 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,480 I think we're in an era where there's multiple guys at the top 644 00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,960 of their game. And you know, I'm not here to 645 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,680 run in a boring event. I'm not here to have A1 646 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,760 dimensional, you know, season. I'm here to have tough races 647 00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,680 against great guys and, and, and come out and talk about my goals 648 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,320 because guess what? Like if I go out and run 342 649 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,280 and, and break the world record, that's great. 650 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,520 But you know, I need to show that process to have an effect 651 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,600 on the sport nowadays. You got to show the process of 652 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,000 what you're doing, why you're doing it. 653 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,840 And, and you know, for me, the reason I'm doing it is I feel 654 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,760 like I'm ready. I feel like it's a really 655 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,040 exciting project. It's really testing my limits. 656 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,960 You know, it's of course it scares me a little bit. 657 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,239 You know, it'd be much easier to to not have this conversation 658 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,199 and, and go out and try and, you know, be in the best shape I can 659 00:34:34,199 --> 00:34:36,560 when it comes to July and, and go after something. 660 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,040 But that's just not who I am. It's not what the sport 661 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,080 deserves. And the sport is built around 662 00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,679 big moments. And I believe that that we can 663 00:34:44,679 --> 00:34:47,400 create one of those in July. And this is one of the hardest 664 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:48,800 world records in track and field. 665 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,600 And I'm not scared to say that I'm going after it. 666 00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:54,960 I can't guarantee that I'm going to get it, but I'm going to do 667 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,719 every, every single thing in my power. 668 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,120 I have a great team of people around me and an amazing 669 00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:01,800 coaching staff that I think we're going to get damn close if 670 00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,960 we don't get it. What's the celebration at the 671 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:05,560 finish line? If you do it, you might have to 672 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,480 lean or throw yourself across the finish line. 673 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,760 Yeah, I'm not sure. I mean, there's going to be a 674 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:11,680 lot of emotion. There's always a lot of emotion 675 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,000 for me, Chris, you see, after a finish line, but whatever feels 676 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,160 right. But, you know, there's not going 677 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,280 to be a crazy amount of races between now and then, maybe two 678 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,440 or three to, to start the season off, get the legs spinning a 679 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,840 little bit. But yeah, if if someone starts 680 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:32,040 to throw some, you know, some, some signs or some celebrations 681 00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:34,560 towards my way, then maybe, maybe they'll get a bit of a 682 00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:38,120 recall to that. But you know, we will always 683 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,880 have some fun out there and and I'm having a really good time 684 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,480 with it. Appreciate it Josh and best of 685 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,400 luck and and excited to follow along. 686 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:46,880 Thank you. Appreciate it. 687 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,480 Alright, that's a wrap on today's episode. 688 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:53,440 Thanks for listening, for the time, the curiosity, and for 689 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,160 making this show part of your routine or your run. 690 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,520 A big thanks to our producer Jasmine Fair and to everyone 691 00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,520 behind the scenes who helps make the Sidious Mag podcast happen. 692 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:04,960 If you enjoyed today's episode, a quick five star review on 693 00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,840 Apple Podcast or Spotify helps people find this show and we 694 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:10,720 read every single one. 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