1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,160 What's up everyone, you are listening to the CDs Magic 2 00:00:03,160 --> 00:00:05,120 podcast. I'm your host, Chris Chavez, and 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,480 every week we go beyond the results to bring you 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:10,480 conversations with the biggest names on the track, the roads, 5 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:12,760 and behind the scenes. From world class athletes and 6 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:14,760 coaches to innovators shaping the. 7 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:16,840 Sport. If it's happening on the track, 8 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,800 we're covering it with real insights that sharpen minds, 9 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,320 deep dives into the moments that define careers, and the kind of 10 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:25,800 access to the pros you won't get anywhere. 11 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,360 Else. So let's get into it because we 12 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:33,080 love track and field. 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If you want your review to be 24 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,240 read and you want to support the show, leave us a Five star View 25 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:18,520 on Apple Podcast today. My guest for today's episode is 26 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,360 Jordy Beamish, the 2025 World Champion in the men's 3000 meter 27 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,960 steeplechase. And if you somehow missed it, go 28 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:27,320 back and watch that last lap in Tokyo. 29 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:30,480 It was one for the ages, and I know that it's been a while 30 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,040 since the World Championships, but George was a bit tougher to 31 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,720 track down. And since that race in Tokyo was 32 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,360 one of my favorites of the whole entire championships, I 33 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:42,320 definitely wanted to get a recap and reflection with him. 34 00:01:43,320 --> 00:01:48,560 George was 11th with 400 meters to go, 11th behind the world 35 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,640 record holder and the reigning four time global champion. 36 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:56,360 But this is textbook George We're talking about, the guy who 37 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:59,800 has made a career out of chaos and closing speed in those final 38 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:02,960 stages of the race. In this episode, he'll put you 39 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:06,640 in his shoes for the final lap and how he flipped the story of 40 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:10,199 that race on its head. He stopped the clock in 833, the 41 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:12,600 slowest winning time for the steeplechase at a global 42 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:16,880 championship since 1968, and somehow one of the most electric 43 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:19,960 finishes that you'll ever see. For New Zealand, it was their 44 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,320 first gold in a track event at worlds in a long time. 45 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:27,240 For Beamish, it was validation after years of injuries and 46 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,280 disappointments at global championships that with a little 47 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,400 bit of belief, he'd still be able to prove his best. 48 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,080 Today we talk about that race and the season as a whole right 49 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,200 here, right now on the City of Smack podcast. 50 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:41,840 So without further ado, here is George Beamish. 51 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,760 All right, we waited quite a bit of time. 52 00:02:55,760 --> 00:03:00,280 It's been almost two months since the World Championships in 53 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,320 Tokyo. Now we bring on another World 54 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,640 Championship gold medalist, now a two time World Championship 55 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:10,520 gold medalist, George Beavis. George, has the break been? 56 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:14,120 And then I guess like we back to to work a little bit like where 57 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,800 we at and like just in general. I mean, you had quite a bit of a 58 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,480 nice break and celebration. Yeah, dude, thanks. 59 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:23,720 Thanks for having me on. We, we got to it eventually. 60 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,320 The, the scheduling in New Zealand was, was no good. 61 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,640 And, and yeah, I was, I was on break. 62 00:03:30,640 --> 00:03:34,600 So I wasn't in, I wasn't in work made for a while Now. 63 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,720 I had, I had a nice time in Japan after the race. 64 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:41,960 And then I went back to New Zealand for a month and took a 65 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,400 pretty easy down there. And I've just been back in 66 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,760 Boulder for like a week and 1/2. So now it kind of feels like, 67 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,120 yeah, back-to-back to real life, back-to-back to some work. 68 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:55,520 Yeah, so I was just trying to count up like number of races 69 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,360 you had this season. It was like 4 before the World 70 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:01,680 Championships and then obviously 2 at worlds, a much more 71 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,920 condensed season than in years past. 72 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,160 And the thing that stood out to me too is just just sort of like 73 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:12,360 how much that final at Worlds, like it was this momentous race, 74 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,840 I think still probably one of the best races of the whole 75 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:18,680 entire World Championships. And you celebrated on site for 76 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,920 like two days or so, but then immediately just sort of like 77 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,880 had to decompress and it got to be a lot. 78 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:29,120 So what was sort of like that emotional sort of like hangover 79 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:32,760 that came over you so quick? And was it just the pressure of 80 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:36,240 a World Championships that was like, oh, this is a lot. 81 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,520 Yeah, it it, it was a weird one because it in some ways it was 82 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:46,480 like it was the perfect build up in the last few weeks, but it 83 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:52,720 was also like the most imperfect build up imaginable in like the 84 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:58,600 previous year leading up to it, like you said, probably 4 races, 85 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:04,600 you know, that wasn't that probably wasn't the plan a going 86 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,160 into it, but that's kind of just what we ended up with. 87 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:12,240 And then like, yeah, everything came together super late, but 88 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:15,440 came together really well. And, you know, I was able to 89 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,520 make the most of that and a big crescendo. 90 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:19,560 And then, and then all of a sudden it was just like, right, 91 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,840 we're done. That's it, go on holiday. 92 00:05:22,840 --> 00:05:26,560 I was like, I just got going. But, but at the same time, it 93 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,840 was like such an emotional roller coaster that, yeah, I was 94 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:36,360 enjoyed it for a few days and, and enjoyed the the mayhem of, 95 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:39,040 of being a world champ in Tokyo for a couple of days and, and 96 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:40,920 what that entailed. And it was a lot of fun. 97 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,240 And then and then I I got the hell out of there and and 98 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:48,720 chilled out for a while. OK, so we're, we'll bounce 99 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:52,960 around, you know, from post race to before the race and actually 100 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,360 unpacking like the race itself, even though it's been like 2 101 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:58,160 months, I'm still, it's still one of the best races of the 102 00:05:58,160 --> 00:05:59,960 whole entire year. Did you feel like you were 103 00:05:59,960 --> 00:06:04,000 sitting on a secret like in the weeks leading up to worlds when 104 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:06,240 those workouts started clicking again? 105 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:10,680 And then so what's, what's that part of it like where yes, it 106 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,360 wasn't perfect, but then like you said it, that essentially 107 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,120 became perfect out of just pure coincidence? 108 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,480 Yeah, that's funny to say that that actually is kind of what it 109 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:29,640 felt like because I, I kind of got some momentum late and, and 110 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,360 it for a while there, I wanted to go race. 111 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,600 Like I, I tried to run Brussels Diamond League and they wouldn't 112 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:38,200 let me. And so, and I and I was kind of, 113 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,160 I was like 5050 on it. Like I thought a race would have 114 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,280 been like a good opportunity to get back out there and get some 115 00:06:45,280 --> 00:06:48,240 steeple legs under me, run some water jumps, which I don't do in 116 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,640 practice. I mean, I think Diamond League 117 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,160 final was probably not, maybe that wasn't going to happen 118 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,200 regardless. But yeah, we reached out and 119 00:06:57,200 --> 00:07:00,760 they they said it was full and, and then everyone watched the 120 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,640 Brussels Diamond League steeple. And, and yeah, no offense to 121 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:07,040 that race. It was not the the best steeple 122 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:11,560 chase that we've ever seen in the Diamond League, but at the 123 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,600 same time I was like, this is fine. 124 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,680 I actually like I've had such a short amount of training. 125 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:21,240 Getting in would have been great, but also not going was 126 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:26,120 great too because like shit, I needed to train so and it was 127 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,200 going well. So then we were like, all right, 128 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:33,240 I guess we're going in, we're going in without a race and and 129 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,000 we're just going to see what it's like there and and it feels 130 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,800 pretty good. So, you know, we're coming in 131 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,360 under the radar and, and ranked, I don't know, 100 in the world 132 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,560 or something. And yeah, that was kind of what 133 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,720 we ended up on in the end, which which is pretty funny because, 134 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,680 yeah, I think I knew it was kind of going well. 135 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,120 I think. Yeah, Ritz. 136 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:57,120 Ritz was confident. And Robert and Kentucky, who I 137 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,120 was running with, like doing all my training with the time, like 138 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,360 they were, they were kind of on the same page that like we're 139 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,160 all just had good momentum coming into words. 140 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:11,440 So you weren't as nervous about just like seeing how the event 141 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,960 was still progressing without you actually being in it because 142 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:18,480 it's like it felt like a year where it was a bit more wide 143 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,440 open. Like Germa hasn't looked like 144 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,680 himself obviously, since like the Olympics. 145 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,800 Elba Kali, like he doesn't race a whole lot. 146 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,160 And that's just kind of like pretty staple for him. 147 00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:31,560 And when he does like one or two good ones and it's like, save it 148 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,280 for the rest of the the championships. 149 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:38,200 And then the breakout stars were Frederick Rupert, the other 150 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:42,240 younger serum and the Japanese guy Muri. 151 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,600 So you're watching these guys like start to have some success. 152 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,040 Where did you sort of like feel that you were heading into 153 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,680 worlds among sort of like that pecking order because the 154 00:08:53,680 --> 00:08:57,040 obviously disappointment in Paris, but you did sort of have, 155 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,960 you know, at least Budapest to to like kind of pick your you 156 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,200 pick yourself up. Yeah, honestly, I don't think I 157 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:08,040 was thinking of a pecking order, but, but I was following the 158 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:12,240 steeple that year and, and it was cool seeing seeing some of 159 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:15,400 these guys show that it, you know, it's possible to get to 160 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:18,920 get really close to 8 minutes. You know, Kenny showed it in, in 161 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:22,880 Paris and then Freddie and Rudy this year in in Monaco and and 162 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,280 Rabat. Like they showed that just 163 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:27,560 Albert Kali and Gurmar at the top. 164 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:31,000 You know, there's room, there's room for a few more and and they 165 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,960 were kind of really bringing the fight to those guys. 166 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:38,920 And yeah, as as dominant as Albert Kali had been, it kind of 167 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,560 showing some some cracks in that maybe, you know, maybe he was 168 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:46,120 beatable. And so I think even though it 169 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:50,000 wasn't me, I think just anyone showing that it's possible, I 170 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:51,640 think kind of lifts the whole field. 171 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:57,240 And yeah, I think the the steel chase was in in a better 172 00:09:57,240 --> 00:10:01,000 position than than it had been. I think probably like I got 173 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:05,040 lucky that that they hadn't changed the they hadn't made the 174 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:07,440 standard any faster for the steel chase, like one of the 175 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,120 only events that hadn't gotten faster. 176 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,960 And I think that was probably a mistake and that I don't know if 177 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,680 anyone qualified in ranking in the end or if it was, it was 178 00:10:16,680 --> 00:10:21,320 like 1 out of 36 or something, which is obviously not the 5050 179 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,040 that we're going for. Like surely it should have been 180 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,320 18 by then. But it's great for me because I 181 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:31,240 only ran 813. So I'm happy that they, I'm sure 182 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:36,120 the next one will not be 8:15. So, you know, I think, I think 183 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,960 everyone was showing that, you know, the level was rising and 184 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,760 but I was just going in, yeah, just doing my own thing. 185 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:49,000 What were the cracks that you kind of observed in El Bacali? 186 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,040 Was it just like how close some of those races were getting? 187 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:56,480 Yeah, maybe how close had gotten in Paris like with with rooks 188 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,640 getting getting so close and then he lost the Diamond League 189 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,600 final in a lean I think to like you said to Amos Serum, I'm 190 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:08,000 pretty sure. And then did he lose again in 191 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,440 China? I think he won early in this 192 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:12,920 season. I could look it up but. 193 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:14,680 Yeah, it was. Yeah. 194 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,880 Either that or someone maybe he'd maybe he'd like reversed it 195 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,000 and won in a lean or something in China, just like maybe a few 196 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,960 races getting a bit closer. And yeah, it's training with 197 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:25,360 Freddy. Yeah, he lost in China. 198 00:11:25,520 --> 00:11:29,040 He lost to Samuel Ferriwell from from Ethiopia. 199 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:30,200 Yeah, that's true. Yeah. 200 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:31,800 So I mean, two different people had beaten him. 201 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,840 Freddie was, you know, he was coming closing hard. 202 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,760 And Rebec and I spent the last 10 days with Freddie in in Japan 203 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:42,560 before Tokyo. And you know what, his big 204 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:44,680 mantra before that was like, Albert, Carly's beatable. 205 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:47,840 So, you know, took his word for it. 206 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,800 When I watch, I remember tuning into the live feed of that race 207 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:55,040 in what was it Finland, right in Turku. 208 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,160 What was going on there? Like because that that one still 209 00:11:58,160 --> 00:12:01,920 stands out as like all right, in the greater picture, like all 210 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,440 right, worlds makes a little bit more sense knowing that there 211 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:09,120 was like this injury, but it back in June, sort of like was 212 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,600 that just sort of like the final sign to like, Hey, we need to 213 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,520 pull the plug and and rest up for a bit. 214 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,680 Yeah, that was the final straw. That was that was pretty 215 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:22,520 miserable, which was sad because that meat is actually very cool. 216 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,000 I've been hearing about it for years and, you know, people said 217 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:29,280 it was, you know, one to put on the calendar and and they packed 218 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,200 out the stands in, in Turku. And it was would have been a 219 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:37,000 cool one to feel good at. But I was coming from from 220 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,480 Stockholm two days earlier, you know, where I'd sneaked under 221 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:45,480 the standard. And yeah, I, I'm sure I've 222 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,000 talked about on the podcast, but I know, and I know people have, 223 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,520 have said like, you know, why would you, why would you go run 224 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:55,960 2 steeples in two days? Like, of course you got injured 225 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:59,160 afterwards, like, but that's, that's not the case. 226 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,880 And like, I want that to be clear that I win in yeah, I 227 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,600 mean, this isn't any better, but I went in in a pretty bad place. 228 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,520 And so it's not the not the fact that I ran 2 steeples in three 229 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:15,720 days that that led to, you know, me having to take time off after 230 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:21,320 that and, and whatever. But it seemed like a good 231 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,360 opportunity at the time. And, you know, I'm pretty used 232 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,040 to managing. Yeah, don't enjoy managing it. 233 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:29,840 But yeah, a couple of small injuries, what I felt like were 234 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:35,200 small to medium injuries that turned out to be slightly more 235 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:37,640 than that. And yeah, the day in between 236 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:43,480 those races was no good. And I just was in too much 237 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:48,680 discomfort to run just any, anywhere close to what I was 238 00:13:48,680 --> 00:13:52,760 capable of. And so that was that was like 239 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:57,280 the the day we shut it down, I didn't run again for, you know, 240 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:00,840 a few weeks probably. And so, yeah, it looks pretty 241 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,560 rough at that point. It was like, all right, this 242 00:14:02,560 --> 00:14:06,080 guy's probably, you know, he's maybe he's qualified for words, 243 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:09,320 but who knows if he's going to run like, or he's just bad at 244 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:11,560 this event. I I mean, not that I care what 245 00:14:11,560 --> 00:14:14,760 people are thinking in, but yeah, it didn't look good in 246 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,680 token and it definitely didn't feel good. 247 00:14:16,680 --> 00:14:19,000 So. Turns out to be a femoral stress 248 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:21,840 stress reaction, right? It did, yeah. 249 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:24,680 Yeah. I ended up getting a few Mris 250 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:31,120 that week back in Boulder and yeah, some ankle impingement 251 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:36,120 stuff I'd been dealing with for a couple of months that needed a 252 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:41,760 cortisone shot, which was great. So that stuff was not structural 253 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,800 like the ankle was all good. I had some information that and 254 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:50,760 that was what like I felt like it 99% sure had turned into a 255 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,600 femoral stress fracture just because I was compensating for 256 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:57,000 this like pretty minor ankle discomfort for like 2 months. 257 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,040 But I could not get it figured out. 258 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,880 And I probably should have got a cortisone shot like 2 months 259 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,920 earlier because there was nothing actually wrong with it. 260 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:08,000 It was just like some inflammation in the joint. 261 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:14,280 But I was, yeah, we just didn't get that sorted early enough. 262 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:19,320 And so, you know, I sat down with with Ritz and Kelsey and 263 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,000 Jason and Cokie the week after Turku. 264 00:15:22,280 --> 00:15:27,160 And, you know, we, we basically just made a new plan. 265 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:31,400 We're like, you know, we all all agreed that that was just like 266 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,600 not good enough, basically. Like we're not operating on a 267 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:41,960 high enough level to to compete where I think I am or where I'm 268 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:45,320 capable of or whatever it is. Like we got to like tighten 269 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:49,880 things up and. Was anyone saying let's shut it 270 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:52,440 down? Before going to Europe. 271 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:58,960 Yeah, I guess. No, but that's probably on me in 272 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:03,480 some ways. Maybe not. 273 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,960 Yeah, I probably should have been communicating better with 274 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,840 how bad I thought it was. But it's just like you with your 275 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,840 injury history, it's just sort of like you're, you're like 276 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,800 radar for some of this stuff. Like what? 277 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:23,400 It hasn't gotten much better on, like the detection of like, OK, 278 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:25,840 I think this one's getting to be pretty bad. 279 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,080 No, that's the thing, the radar is so good that I felt like I 280 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:34,000 could go race 2 steel chases and not make it any worse. 281 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:36,600 And, and I feel like I was right, Like I had a femoral 282 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,160 stress reaction already, and I probably had it for the month 283 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:45,640 leading up to those races. But I was like, I'm so good at 284 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:50,200 riding the line and I have that radar that I knew I could get 285 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:56,240 through it. Yeah, not enjoying it, but that 286 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,400 I could do it without doing any more damage. 287 00:16:59,760 --> 00:17:05,240 And I felt like that was just important enough to have a crack 288 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,319 at running these and come back and sort it out. 289 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:12,359 Otherwise, like I would have run off the whole season basically. 290 00:17:12,839 --> 00:17:16,359 And, and at that point I should have done it in April, got it 291 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,599 sorted. Instead I waited till June and 292 00:17:18,599 --> 00:17:20,800 that point I was like, all right, shit, I would just go two 293 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:25,640 more weeks, whatever it was, and then come back and sort it out. 294 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,600 And I was no worse off after those two races than I was 295 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:31,720 before. Apart from that, it had been a 296 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,440 couple of weeks later. So, you know, I had less time 297 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:40,440 afterwards, but in hindsight, in hindsight it was, I mean, 298 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:41,840 obviously, obviously it worked out. 299 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:48,240 But yeah, should have done stuff earlier to get to get my ankle 300 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:53,840 sorted in like April and then maybe wouldn't have the rest of 301 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,800 the problems. But we had a really good kind of 302 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,080 reassessment mid season in June that, you know, we're going to 303 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,120 do things a little bit differently. 304 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:09,040 I was going to be better on communication and of things of 305 00:18:09,120 --> 00:18:16,320 how things are feeling and and we were just going to like take 306 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,520 it day by day for the for the two months we had left. 307 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,520 But then did the objective change? 308 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:26,360 Was it still to go to Worlds and contend for a medal? 309 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:29,920 Or was it just let's get you to Worlds in one piece? 310 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:33,320 Yeah, I don't think we ever, I don't think we ever talked about 311 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,920 medals like not, not two months out, like not the day I started 312 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:43,760 running. It was just let's get the most 313 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:48,280 out of every day that we can and like let's get to the start line 314 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:53,840 and as good a spot as we can and, and go from there. 315 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:57,760 Was there pretty intense cross training that took place in that 316 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,040 in that span that you weren't running or was it you, were you 317 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:04,640 so limited into what you can do? No, I because it was only a 318 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,960 reaction. I was not that limited. 319 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,880 I you know what let's let's pull it up. 320 00:19:12,120 --> 00:19:16,960 Let's so I can be slightly more accurate because I had to get a 321 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:22,000 APIP shot Gabby, I know what did I get cortisone shot in my 322 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,360 ankle? No, it looks like I didn't even 323 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,000 looks like I didn't even take any time off of that. 324 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,080 I don't know if anyone's. I've had cortisone and PRP now 325 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,800 and gone back to cross training pretty quickly so I didn't. 326 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:44,320 I did basically 2 full weeks of of cross training at a like. 327 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:48,000 Altar G Pool. I was doing pretty much 328 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:55,720 everything on the Stairmaster or the bike, and I kind of took 329 00:19:55,720 --> 00:20:01,320 this opportunity to like. To do some heat training 330 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:06,720 basically because because I thought I was still going to run 331 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:12,600 in Tokyo and it's like much higher risk to heat train and 332 00:20:12,600 --> 00:20:15,560 run. Like I was just going to go all 333 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,320 in for a few weeks on the cross training, but try and get as 334 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,240 much out of it by heat training as well. 335 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:26,520 So I would get on the Stairmaster in tights and a long 336 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:31,840 sleeve, a full like core suit plus a jacket and pants over the 337 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:37,760 top and maybe a beanie cranked. The cranked the level up like 338 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,840 super high to get my temperature up and my heart rate up. 339 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:45,560 And then just go off heart rate and just get slower and slower 340 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:51,920 and slower over the course of I got to like an hour 20 doing 341 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:53,040 that. Like this is the most I could 342 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,480 handle. And I would, I'd strip the 343 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,840 layers off after like 40 or 50 minutes just to not try to 344 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,320 overdo it, but just for golf heart rate. 345 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,920 And by the end I'd be walking so slowly, just be like, just feel 346 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,200 like walking like slower than walking upstairs in your house. 347 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:11,560 But the temperature was so high that otherwise to, to keep it at 348 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:17,640 a normal heart rate, like a not threshold, if at heart rate, you 349 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:22,000 would just have to go so slow. So that was kind of like the 350 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,280 basis of it. And then I was doing some 351 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,760 sessions on the bike in the afternoons, like I'd go easy on 352 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,520 the Stairmaster, harder on the bike for a couple of weeks. 353 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:40,160 And then yeah, did my first run on the ground two months before 354 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:43,840 before Worlds, which was on what I ended up taking off one week, 355 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:49,520 two week. It was like 3 1/2 weeks between 356 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:52,120 Toku and and their first run on the ground. 357 00:21:52,120 --> 00:21:57,160 So it's not really that long honestly, and I was able to do 358 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,640 that probably because it wasn't a stress fracture, mostly 359 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:05,480 cortisone shot fixed my ankle. It wasn't a fracture so that he 360 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:12,000 was way faster and I got a bunch of shockwave on my femur, which 361 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,720 I would recommend to anyone that has the ability to do that. 362 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:22,720 It's expensive, but it's really good for healing stuff if you're 363 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:28,360 on a time crunch like I was. And so I was just like trying to 364 00:22:28,360 --> 00:22:30,200 do everything I could. I was heat training, cross 365 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:36,880 training, and then yeah, got running, got running two months 366 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,320 out and felt absolutely terrible. 367 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:44,280 Who came up with the the like the the Stairmaster being, you 368 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,200 know, among the coaches like that? 369 00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:48,120 Hey, like go do that one or was that you? 370 00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,560 Ritz bought a Stairmaster a couple years ago. 371 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,280 I mean, I'd do a bit of elliptical as well, but mostly 372 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:57,320 it was I didn't want to spend all the time on the bike. 373 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,040 Like I just don't want to sit down the whole time. 374 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:06,360 And I just don't think that position is that like 375 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:13,480 transferable to running. And I did so much elliptical in 376 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:17,960 college and my first few years a pro that I was just prepared to 377 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:21,240 do anything to change it up from being on the elliptical, 378 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,960 honestly. You've never been an ARC 379 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,160 trainer, Guy We. Don't. 380 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,680 I don't even know what that is, really. 381 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:29,480 We don't have one of those. It's kind of like an elliptical, 382 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,280 right? Yeah, kind of like, yeah. 383 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,240 But you're there's the arms and all that stuff, Yeah. 384 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,760 I don't know, I've never done it, but I assume it's kind of 385 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,720 like the elliptical and I needed a break from that. 386 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:45,640 And I quite like the the motion on the stairmaster. 387 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,440 Just like I would always skip, I would almost always go 2 stairs. 388 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,280 Otherwise it's like otherwise it'd be way too fast because I'm 389 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,720 I'm cranking that thing up pretty high and it was just a 390 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,760 nice, a nice change up honestly. And in reality, I don't think it 391 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,360 matters that much what you're doing. 392 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:06,040 And at any point did you think like, bother looking up like, 393 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:09,360 hey, how many stairs are in the Empire State Building or? 394 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:12,360 Oh, I definitely looked that up. I was climbing like multiple 395 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:16,200 Empire states every time. I mean, I would, it was like, 396 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:19,280 yeah, one if you're skipping stairs for like an hour and a 397 00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:24,280 half at, you know, 150 something heart rate, that was a shit load 398 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,800 of stairs. There's a there's a race that 399 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:27,920 they actually do here in the city. 400 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,000 It's like the Empire, the Empire State Building run off. 401 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,720 And I think the on guy David Kilgore has, I think has like 402 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,120 won it a couple times. I'm not surprised. 403 00:24:36,120 --> 00:24:37,200 I would. I would have been good at that. 404 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,720 Briefly, I was in. I was master of the stairs. 405 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:43,320 Oh my gosh, yeah, I was in machine on that thing. 406 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,720 Yeah, we need to get you out to you could be a three time world 407 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,480 champion if there's like a Stairmaster World Championships, 408 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,600 I'm sure. Yeah, exactly. 409 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,320 I haven't, I haven't been on one since. 410 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,840 I'm probably, there might be some PTSD that I'm not sure. 411 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:02,200 But yeah, there were definitely days like that the team would 412 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,440 would come into the gym like it was around maybe that was pre 413 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,640 USA or just like everyone's kind of racing and they come into the 414 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,400 gym. I've started early and I'm like 415 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:16,720 in three layers of of clothing, just like climbing stairs for an 416 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,120 hour and a half. Like dude, you're right. 417 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:21,440 And. Though there he is. 418 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,120 He's like, you know, he's climbing the Burj Khalifa at 419 00:25:24,120 --> 00:25:28,160 this point, Yeah. 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But it was important, OK, 453 00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:45,800 because like overcoming the heat, like I go back to Eugene 454 00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:48,200 2022. You come through the mixing 455 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:53,280 after the 5K and you do a really short interview with me, maybe 456 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,920 one of the most depressing interviews ever. 457 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,320 We didn't even post it because I think like it was that 458 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,640 emotional. And I remember just like how 459 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:04,280 rough that was and like you attributed so much to it to 460 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,320 being like it's, it was the heat. 461 00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:09,080 Like the heat got to me. And then obviously like now 462 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,920 we're a couple years removed from that and it feels like 463 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:15,400 you've adapted quite a bit better now to it. 464 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,840 But like what? What do you think was the 465 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,040 turning point for you when it came to the heat? 466 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,480 I do remember that one. I think you told me after it. 467 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,080 You like, dude, I'm that's right. 468 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,840 I don't need to post that one. Yeah, that was that was pretty 469 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,680 low moment. Yeah, I think that was also part 470 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,760 of the reason I stopped running 5 KS in the summer. 471 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:42,280 That extra like 5 minutes from a steeple to a 5K in the heat of 472 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,760 the summer was just like something I didn't want to put 473 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,880 myself through and I was not good at, obviously. 474 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:56,040 But yeah, I, you know, I decided that, you know, I can't do 475 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,560 anything about the conditions apart from race shorter 476 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,720 distance. So I was going to, you know, 477 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,600 take take the heat training seriously and, you know, do what 478 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,920 research I could read about it, learn about it, talk to people 479 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:19,640 and and put in put in the time that, you know, I thought it was 480 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,800 going to take to to make it maybe not a not a super strength 481 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,960 of mine, but at least not a just absolute liability. 482 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:33,320 I think I bought a sauna at the end of 2022 after Eugene that 483 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:38,800 was step one and use that off and on over the over the last 484 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,600 few years. And I and I was still using that 485 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:48,480 leading up to words this year. And, and yeah, the next part was 486 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:55,200 to go, you know, do a training and, you know, I had some help 487 00:29:55,200 --> 00:30:00,200 from core and, and the, the sensor obviously, which I 488 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:05,600 actually felt was super useful. And, and honestly, some of it 489 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,840 was just like the learnings I took from doing it. 490 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,440 And like, learning where the limit was on how hot you could 491 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,440 get to, like where you can't come back from it, like how much 492 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:23,760 it helps, like how much fluid you actually can go through and 493 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,680 need to to perform. And that's just been like, 494 00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,040 obviously everyone talks about fluids and carbs these days. 495 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,200 And that does make it easier to run in the heat. 496 00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:43,440 Like there's no doubt shit load of fuel and liquid helps 497 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,920 already. So that's probably changed a 498 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,400 bit. And since 2022, I imagine 499 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,640 covering what I was doing then, but I think not as much. 500 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:57,120 And then, yeah, just like learning how important it was to 501 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:00,240 stay cool in Tokyo, like I, I warmed up for the race. 502 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,040 I'm pretty sure I warmed up for the race in my race shorts and 503 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:10,440 shirtless with like as much ice as I could get on myself before 504 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:15,040 I went into the into the courtroom and on top of the heat 505 00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,360 train. I've done before that just like, 506 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,080 I don't know, a few, a few things I've learned in the last 507 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,480 few years. And, and, yeah, had got to the 508 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,720 point where I was confident and, yeah, confident that I could be 509 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,040 at least on a level playing field I hoped. 510 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,840 But when you got to Tokyo, because I remember getting off 511 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,720 the plane and being like, whoa, this is a, this is a different 512 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,480 kind of heat and humidity. Like it just hits you right 513 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:43,560 away. And I remember seeing just like 514 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:47,200 the videos of like, from social media of athletes, like training 515 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,200 and like doing their heat, like acclimatization, just like 516 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,040 leading into Tokyo. I'm like, yeah, it's fine if 517 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,560 you're doing this in, like, Arizona, but like, you're going 518 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:57,960 to get here and it's totally different. 519 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,520 What did you make of it once you like were actually in it because 520 00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,680 you had a couple of days at least before to adjust? 521 00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,720 Yeah. Well, I think honestly, I think 522 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:10,760 the way we structured our last 10 days was a big part of the 523 00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:16,200 success that that the team had. Or in saying that Sage and 524 00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,680 Josette didn't come and they ran absolutely amazing. 525 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,800 So maybe we were going to do well either way. 526 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:27,520 But the boys, me, Robert, Kai and Freddy, we went early to 527 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,760 Japan on like the first or second of September. 528 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:37,600 Yeah, landed had one night in Tokyo after like a, I don't 529 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,440 know, maybe that had a couple of really hot days and holy shit, 530 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,600 like just getting through the city on those trains was unreal. 531 00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,200 Thankfully we were leaving the next day, but we had to like ran 532 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:53,320 around the the emperor's palace just like the hottest run I've 533 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:57,560 done in months. Holy shit, this is going to be 534 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,080 interesting. But we, we took the train the 535 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,080 next day into, into the mountains and went to that 536 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,560 training camp in Unamaru that few of the US boys came to 537 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,680 actually an incredible training facility, like a track with 538 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:23,520 three or four lanes, an epic gym, a dining hall and like some 539 00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:25,000 apartments to live in. And that was about it. 540 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:27,240 I mean, they're only like 4 or five buildings up there, but 541 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:28,640 we're at altitude. So it wasn't hot. 542 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,200 And so we would come down to do a bit of running in the heat. 543 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,000 But we would, we would being like careful about how, how much 544 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:39,840 we were really going to do in those last 10 days. 545 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,440 And we chose altitude overheat necessarily. 546 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:49,760 I apart from going down to to work out or to do a couple of 547 00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,760 runs when it was hot. But using the using the hot tubs 548 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,880 up there as as a replacement to a sauna basically and kind of 549 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,240 just like putting the final touches on on some heat stuff, 550 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,560 but but not trying to overdo it and not just spending those 10 551 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,520 days in a hot place, like just being in Tokyo somewhere, which 552 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,400 I think just can kind of ZAP you like. 553 00:34:13,639 --> 00:34:15,760 Well, you also need to get out of that hotel. 554 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:17,560 Right. Yeah, yeah. 555 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,400 I'm glad I wasn't there the whole time. 556 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,400 Holy shit. But this place was like, it was 557 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,040 like an absolute retreat. I mean, it was like us few of 558 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,920 those US boys like Stevie Chase's game, Grant and Graham 559 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,920 were up there, but we were like, there was absolutely nothing to 560 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,120 do. We would just like eat 3 meals a 561 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,120 day at this dining hall, all Japanese food. 562 00:34:35,159 --> 00:34:37,760 It was like it was incredible, but we were just like monks for 563 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,600 like 10 days. We just go to bed at like 8:30 564 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,840 every night, get up early, train, eat at these places. 565 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,440 We were just like so dialled for those 10 days. 566 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:51,679 It was amazing and I think it was just like a great way to go 567 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:55,800 into it, like get super focused up there and like not spend too 568 00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,600 long that we were like bored. It was just like a nice amount 569 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:05,800 of time to get like locked in and on the time zone and like in 570 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,040 a bit of Japanese culture, which was which was really funny 571 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,520 because like Kai and Freddie didn't eat, didn't eat any fish 572 00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,280 and fish was basically in every single meal. 573 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,640 It's in breakfast like. Yeah, Oh, every, yeah. 574 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,240 Every morning was rice and grilled mackerel pretty much 575 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:23,360 pretty much every morning. It got to the point Robert 576 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,640 started. He started putting just milk and 577 00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:30,640 honey and his rice. It's like basically pretending 578 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,440 it was cereal. He was kind of losing the pot by 579 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,440 the end. But but it was such a good setup 580 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,640 and, and I think it put us in a in a good spot by the time we 581 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,680 got down and, and thankfully the temperature had come down like 582 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,200 maybe 10° and in that in that week and a half, like it was 583 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,360 like mid 90s when we had been there that day. 584 00:35:52,720 --> 00:35:56,440 And then ten days later, maybe it was maybe was it mid 80s? 585 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,040 I can't even remember it the start of worlds. 586 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,120 Like it was hard as heck, but but it'd come down a few 587 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,240 degrees. All right, as we dive into just 588 00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:08,320 sort of like the competition when you finally like are 589 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,600 getting into a call room and going through your warm up, 590 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:15,200 first time in like 3 months, did it feel like you're like, all 591 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:18,120 right, we're here, we're at, we're at worlds now. 592 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:23,160 Yeah, I mean, it did, but, but I was, I was loving it. 593 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:29,880 Like I, I was nervous, but but I was feeling good, like my body 594 00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:35,840 was moving well. And that's often like one of the 595 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,880 one of the harder parts for me to get right in the 1st place. 596 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,840 So just having that piece sorted meant that I was going to run my 597 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,200 first healthy steel chase since Budapest. 598 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:55,240 And so like that was exciting and I, I just felt like I had a 599 00:36:55,240 --> 00:37:01,200 good idea of how the heat was going to go and felt like it was 600 00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,680 the kind of race that that would be a nice one to get back into. 601 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,400 Like the steel chase prelims are often, I mean, they're quite 602 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,080 predictable, I would say. I mean, they've, they've come to 603 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:16,040 be and they normally feel good at the start and they, they give 604 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,760 you lots of time to get into it. Kind of like a lot of the 605 00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,840 distance races, they're often a lot of doing, not a lot at the 606 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:26,960 beginning. I appreciate it when Sage came 607 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:32,000 on the podcast after USA since she said how she likes utilizing 608 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,360 like at least this year in particular, like the first round 609 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,480 of USA is to wake yourself up and like remember that like, OK, 610 00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:42,120 we're at a championship. And in almost a similar way, I 611 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,080 feel like, yes, you're going through the motions, but then 612 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:50,440 like no one had a bigger wake up call than you hitting the track. 613 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:54,880 And then I'm sure it was just sort of like a pure adrenaline 614 00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,000 rush. But clarified for us how the 615 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:02,000 pictures say one thing. How close did the spike actually 616 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,600 get to just like piercing your face or like, was there act like 617 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,600 full contact? I guess Like you can't really 618 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,840 tell exactly how close it was from the photos. 619 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,080 Yeah, well, when I said, when I said this, this see which I see 620 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,480 it's predictable. I you said in me probably yeah, 621 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,600 followed it up by just absolutely eating shit with a 622 00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,440 lad to go. So that part didn't didn't 623 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,720 necessarily go to play and it was all great up until that 624 00:38:25,720 --> 00:38:29,560 point. Yeah, it was it was predictable 625 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,800 until then. And you know, I was I was trying 626 00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,680 to be responsible for once and not leave it to the last 20 627 00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,160 meters. I was going to get a hit of the 628 00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:45,720 game and and I and I and I felt great in in the first round and 629 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:51,200 was happy chilling at the back, which is I think the best place 630 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:52,400 to run a steep wood chase prelim. 631 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,120 Like there's only 12 of us because it's a small field. 632 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:57,680 So the front is just never there very far away. 633 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:01,520 You hang out of the back and you can kind of just like watch 634 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:06,320 what's going on from back there. And then no one was doing a lot 635 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,800 and I thought, all right, just around the lap to go, I'll make 636 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,680 it a decent move, get near the front and have a like. 637 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:17,440 And as I made a move, like everyone just came, came back 638 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,120 past me. I was like, this is no one else 639 00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:20,200 is doing anything. This is great. 640 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,360 I'm going to just hit the front and and get to enjoy this, this 641 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,160 last lap, this, this is going to be great. 642 00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,920 And the next thing I know, I was upside down on the track and had 643 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,960 no clue that a spike had come anywhere near my face. 644 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,280 Until the phone. Until. 645 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,200 Oh. You came to the mix zone and 646 00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:41,200 Mitch, I came. To the mix zone. 647 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,200 Yeah, Mitch, everyone was showing me the photos. 648 00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,280 Like dude, I had no clue that I maybe I close my eyes or I think 649 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,120 it just happens too fast in the moment, but the photo makes it 650 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,960 look 100 times worse than it actually was I think. 651 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,920 Although obviously if the spike had gotten closer that would 652 00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,440 have been really bad. But but I was moving at like the 653 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,360 same speed as the foot so it's not like I was stationary and 654 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:04,800 then his foot is landing on top of me. 655 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:08,480 Like we're both moving at the same time and I'm like rolling 656 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,400 out of it as his foot is coming past my face so. 657 00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,960 I think that that's why the the video I think is not as bad. 658 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,280 Yeah, but but it's a great, it's a great photo. 659 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,600 Kind of nuts how like if someone hits the ground, you could have 660 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:23,360 one of two reactions and one is obviously like, all right, you, 661 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,360 you're devastated. But then, like you, if you 662 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,680 don't, you don't have all that much time at all to react. 663 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:34,440 But you made-up for every little second that you could have and 664 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,160 and reacted in the way you you should have. 665 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:43,640 I mean, I'd like to think so. I yeah, I'm just, I'm not the 666 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,440 maybe I'm just not the type to to sit on the ground and feel 667 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:51,520 sorry for myself. But also I'd been like, I'd 668 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:56,760 worked too damn hard to get back to the line, to not to just like 669 00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,720 accept defeat and just sit there and, and not even finish the 670 00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:03,960 race. Like I, I didn't even think. 671 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,160 I didn't even have to think about it. 672 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,760 Yeah, just got just got straight back into it and, and, and found 673 00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,440 myself kind of on the back of the pack anyway, which is 674 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,760 exactly where I was about 100 meters before that. 675 00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:22,040 And so like there was not yeah, yeah, I guess there wasn't 676 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:27,440 really a moment of of panic. And so and I found myself like 677 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,680 fresh still. I got up and I was like, I'm 678 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,440 actually not retired. That took Lis out of me than I 679 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,840 thought. And, and so, yeah, was able to 680 00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:41,280 have a, have a good last kind of 250 still and, and was, was 681 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,720 super comfortable. And I think, I mean, I think I 682 00:41:43,720 --> 00:41:46,240 said afterwards in the interview, like I think it was a 683 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:50,280 bit of a blessing in disguise in that I, you know, I didn't know 684 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,680 what my fitness was like coming in. 685 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:56,840 I thought it was decent, but that was almost like an extra 686 00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,480 test of like, can you fall in the last lap and still make the 687 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,640 final? All right, you must be pretty 688 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:07,160 fit. And so I took that, you know, 689 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,200 tried to take that in a positive light in that to be able to do 690 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,640 that as comfortable as I did meant that meant that I was in a 691 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,040 good spot. And once I had like my shoulder 692 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:23,400 sorted out by Jason in my back, which got pretty stiff a couple 693 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:27,360 of hours later, yeah, I was, I was pretty confident after that. 694 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,840 Yeah, two days between the races or actually one day between the 695 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,240 race and then the final was two days later. 696 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:40,280 I immediately after that first round, like Sidious met group 697 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:43,160 chat just erupts with like George looks good. 698 00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:46,960 Watch for George in the final. Did you feel like though still 699 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:50,040 just because, you know, the fall had gone viral and all that 700 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:53,560 stuff, like you still were coming into the final little bit 701 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:55,520 under the radar? Or did you think more people 702 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,800 probably like, I guess like, did the fall and all that overlook 703 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,440 the fact of like how strong the actual finish was? 704 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,920 In the prelim. Yeah, Like did you think that 705 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,680 your competitors and people pay more because you you to say the 706 00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,040 thing on the coffee club too about just sort of like Elba 707 00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,440 Kali had like, you know, before the race joke to you just sort 708 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:17,240 of about the fall and that kind of stuff. 709 00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,320 And it's like, all right, buddy, like you, you paid attention to 710 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,520 the fall, but I don't know if like the thing you should have 711 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,920 paid attention to is just sort of like how hard that close was. 712 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:30,080 Yeah, I I think there was a small niche group of people that 713 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:37,640 keyed in enough to know and maybe like either know me at 714 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:42,640 some in some ways or like that looked at that and said like 715 00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:44,000 this is going to be exciting in the final. 716 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,680 And I don't think I don't know if that was any of the people 717 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:50,520 racing or not. And I don't know if that was 718 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,840 necessarily me. Don't know if my odds changed or 719 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,080 anything. Like I don't know if that was 720 00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,720 that was just not in my mind. But I don't know if I was like 721 00:43:59,240 --> 00:44:03,880 any more of a favorite really after that, except for just like 722 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:10,040 the small groups of people like maybe you guys that that knew 723 00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:11,640 kind of what to look for. I think. 724 00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,560 I mean, I there's probably fans around the world that are like, 725 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:16,880 I saw it. I saw it in the heat. 726 00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,560 I don't know. But I it's funny when people say 727 00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,200 that kind of stuff like that, that's fun to hear. 728 00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,560 All right, you've only previously before, I guess this 729 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,720 race, right? Only raised elbow collie twice 730 00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:30,640 before, right? Budapest kind of look up your 731 00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,880 head to head, but like I don't think it's all that much 732 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,080 actually. He doesn't even populate on like 733 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:37,960 some of your. So it's probably I think like 734 00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,240 Budapest and. Yeah, quite a few of diamond 735 00:44:42,240 --> 00:44:43,720 leagues I've done have not been with him. 736 00:44:43,720 --> 00:44:48,280 Actually. So yeah, he saw the memes fast 737 00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,640 forwarding. You took it by surprise in the 738 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,320 final, but like how much aware does he think he had of you? 739 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,320 I honestly don't know. Like, yeah, I mean, I think 740 00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,760 people were giving him a little bit of shit afterwards for. 741 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,240 You're letting it go slow, right? 742 00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:04,640 Yeah, or, or for saying like he called me like the New Zealand 743 00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,640 athlete or something. So people thought like he didn't 744 00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,160 even know my name or something, which I don't know if that was 745 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:11,960 true or not, or if it's like a little bit lost in translation. 746 00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:13,200 Like I give him some credit for that. 747 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:19,120 And so, yeah, I don't know if he just doesn't watch running races 748 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:23,880 or I mean, I, I just think he deserves to be as confident as 749 00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,360 he was. I think, you know, he's been 750 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:31,960 more dominant on in his event than than most, if not all track 751 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:34,200 events since. Yeah, like he was on the verge 752 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,720 of pulling off Tokyo to Tokyo all gold, right? 753 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:38,920 Like that's. Yeah, I don't even know who else 754 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:45,160 went Tokyo. Mondo faith, Yeah, I think it's. 755 00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:46,680 A small group. Yeah, it's a very small group, 756 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,480 Yeah. And, and he'd done a lot of them 757 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,200 in a kick. Like Eugene was incredibly slow. 758 00:45:52,720 --> 00:45:56,800 And he, he won that pretty comfortably still. 759 00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,480 And so I think, I think he just deserved to be confident and, 760 00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,600 and yeah, it is what it is now, I guess. 761 00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:08,680 Yeah, Eugene was slow. I'm looking at it now 825 but 762 00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,400 not this slow. Yeah, well, exactly that. 763 00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,480 I thought that was. I thought that was like the 764 00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,120 upper limit of how slow it could get, but apparently not. 765 00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,920 OK, so then put me in your shoes. 766 00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,400 Race goes off, he goes through the 1st K and what was it like 767 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,960 three O 4? Yeah, I think I saw that one. 768 00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,480 You saw that one? Yeah, like on the clock. 769 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:28,920 And I was like, fuck, that is slow. 770 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,080 Like I was, I thought it was going to be around 3 minutes. 771 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,320 And normally like I'm not necessarily looking, but 772 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,400 sometimes like the clock's huge and it's right next to the track 773 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,200 and I must have just gone to the right time. 774 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,960 I was like, all right, we're going. 775 00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,080 We're chilling. We're absolutely chilling. 776 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:48,200 You're containing your laughter at that point if there was live 777 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,600 betting allowed, right? Like in track and field, like 778 00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,680 the odds makers would just be licking their chops and like 779 00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,680 your odds were getting better and better each lap. 780 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:59,800 Is your internal monologue sort of similar? 781 00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,440 Just starting to think like what are they doing? 782 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,520 There was there was a little bit of that as I was just super 783 00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,320 excited on the line. I remember like I remember just 784 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,120 like looking into the crowd, like fully packed stadium and we 785 00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,960 stood there for ages. Were you ready for like a 786 00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,320 potential like eight O 5 race or something like that? 787 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,120 Like would that have like tapered down your excitement 788 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,720 pretty quick? I mean, I think even I don't 789 00:47:26,720 --> 00:47:29,920 know what they went out in last year to run eight O 5 in Paris, 790 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,320 but I definitely thought it was a possibility because that I 791 00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,720 think that was an 8 O 5 off of off of big clothes and. 792 00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:37,360 But then, very quickly, it was not that. 793 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,520 Yeah, and pretty quickly it wasn't that. 794 00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:45,960 And like, I went out slow and, and Girma and Albert Kali went 795 00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:49,640 out even slower behind me. Like I was, I was kind of trying 796 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,680 to go to the back, but but not necessarily the very back this 797 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,080 time a few more people in the field. 798 00:47:55,520 --> 00:47:59,760 So I, I jogged off the line and found myself still in front of 799 00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,720 Albert Kali and Girma. And I was like, alright, I'll 800 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:06,320 just, I'll just wait for them. You know, they'll probably come 801 00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:09,840 by at some point. And then, you know, I saw 802 00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,280 Freddie, I saw Freddie hit the front of me and I was like, 803 00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,640 well, maybe it's on. That's a guy who you'd expect 804 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,680 to, to maybe have a crack and want it fast. 805 00:48:19,720 --> 00:48:24,120 You know, a lap goes by, a couple laps go by, we're kind of 806 00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:26,360 all in the same spot. No one's moving behind me. 807 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,600 And, and yeah, the internal monologue was all right, one 808 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,520 more, one more of these 70s, whatever. 809 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:34,720 They were like a couple more 70s. 810 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:40,040 And I was never thinking like a couple more 70s and and I'm 811 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,280 going to win this. It's more like a couple more 70s 812 00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,560 and let's get excited to compete in the last slap. 813 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,640 Like let's let's get excited to throw down with whoever's up 814 00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:52,840 there. Like whatever it's going to be 815 00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:54,680 this, this just going to be exciting. 816 00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:59,640 And they just kept clocking off. Like I don't know what it was, 817 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:04,000 but it was freaking slow and, and I was, I was moving well and 818 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,680 and the systems were running good so. 819 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:10,320 And he was getting louder too, because if you know the. 820 00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:11,920 It was ridiculous. Yeah. 821 00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:15,840 It was unbelievable. Like, and, and I've been looking 822 00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:19,320 forward to racing against Mira in the Tokyo Stadium for a long 823 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,280 time. Like, it was cool. 824 00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:21,880 He'd come to on in the last couple of years. 825 00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:28,040 He's been like a superstar since he was 7th or 8th in Tokyo, like 826 00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,480 in 2021 as a 18 year old or something. 827 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,920 Like, you know, everyone knows a running culture in Japan and so 828 00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,360 they just absolutely love him. And I mean, I don't know how 829 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,360 much pressure he felt, but I assume quite a lot. 830 00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,520 And he gave it a great go. Oh, he absolutely did. 831 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:50,160 When he when he went into like third with like 150 go it was or 832 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,800 even just on the last lap when he was moving around the 833 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,840 outside. I could not believe how loud it 834 00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,480 was getting. It was I swear I could like feel 835 00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,720 this like sound waves like hitting us. 836 00:49:59,720 --> 00:50:03,920 It was insane and and that made it like that, made it a lot of 837 00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,880 fun, the fact that he was in the race and and running as well as 838 00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,960 you did. That's how like Josh Kerr and 839 00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,560 and Yard and Cole talk about just sort of like the crowd 840 00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,440 during that 1500 final in Paris. They're just like you. 841 00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,960 It's it's so loud you can feel it. 842 00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:20,440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think, and I think the 843 00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:23,440 crowd like could just send something, something good 844 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:25,080 happening in in the last couple laps. 845 00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,080 And, and they were just getting excited for it. 846 00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:30,840 And yeah, man, I would have would have loved to share the 847 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:32,480 podium with him. Like that would have. 848 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:33,880 That would have been the dream scenario. 849 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:39,760 Like the stadium would have gone absolutely berserk. 850 00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,560 Yeah, if if that happened in the last, in the last straight. 851 00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:45,640 But it wasn't to be not this time anyway. 852 00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:50,400 So yeah. 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I had Cole on the podcast a 944 00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:03,880 couple months back and he broke down his final lap and just the 945 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:08,200 strategy around when he wanted to get around certain people, 946 00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:12,480 like not leaving it to 200 to go, that's way too late. 947 00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:15,960 But you're 11th at the bell. You hear the sound of the bell 948 00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,920 take me through sort of like your strategy on like how you 949 00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:21,800 wanted to blow past some of these people. 950 00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:25,240 And and what makes it even more interesting is that you don't 951 00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:28,160 just have it easy with making passes. 952 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,000 It's like there's still the hurtling of the water barriers 953 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:32,280 clear. Yeah. 954 00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:34,600 What was Cole at the bell? Cole. 955 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,600 Was it might have been also like 11th or 12th? 956 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,240 Yeah, I think it actually, I feel like it might have been 957 00:56:40,240 --> 00:56:42,480 quite. I think, I feel like Kai said he 958 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:44,920 was either the 11th or 12th with Cole. 959 00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:46,960 I'll look it up, yeah. Interesting. 960 00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:53,280 Yeah. 1212 at the Bell. OK, OK, similar race point. 961 00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:56,680 I don't know if that was the plan or not. 962 00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:03,320 It obviously had gotten a little bit going in the last couple of 963 00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:09,000 laps when Dan hit the front with kind of eight or 900 to go, but 964 00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,360 it but he didn't like absolutely floor it. 965 00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:17,080 It stretched out a little bit and I was still just probably 966 00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,680 relaxing a little bit much with 800 to go. 967 00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:25,920 And then at at the bell, I was like, right, shit, probably 968 00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:32,320 should probably do something. And I think I ran the next 200 969 00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:34,840 pretty hard. But I was weaving a lot like to 970 00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,280 get over hurdles and around people. 971 00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:42,160 Like if there was a clip on the back straight like I did, other 972 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:46,480 people were going super wide and I and I was kind of passing a 973 00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:49,680 couple of people, like two people on my inside and someone 974 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:52,280 on my outside to get through with. 975 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:55,760 Like with three Barrett, like the the back straight barrier. 976 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,680 I remember going over that like 5 wide and and trying to find a 977 00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:04,400 lane and but but knowing that if I could find a lane like I had, 978 00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:09,440 I had some legs, like I could feel they were good and I didn't 979 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:13,080 know how good they were going to be, But I just needed like a 980 00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,840 little bit of clear ear. And I kind of found over that 981 00:58:16,280 --> 00:58:21,600 like 2:50 to go barrier kind of got through that and and got 982 00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:23,480 through like the the thickest part of the field. 983 00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:29,560 And then that was kind of when Mira was like hitting, hitting 984 00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:32,320 this, hitting his stride at 200 to go and kind of followed him 985 00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,960 round into the water barrier. I was kind of going over the 986 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:39,160 water barrier thinking if I can stay on my feet here, like I 987 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:42,000 think I can meddle. I think like I don't think 988 00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:50,520 anyone can can beat me over 120 if I am in 3rd or 4th and that 989 00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:54,840 almost like I almost went down and not that because I was 990 00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,080 thinking about I just, I just had terrible water jump. 991 00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:01,640 I have one side that's just not one side that's not as good 992 00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,400 landing and that side came up unfortunately. 993 00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:10,840 And just like the combination of like a lot of adrenaline trying 994 00:59:10,840 --> 00:59:16,960 to Sprint just meant that I had a pretty shocking water barrier. 995 00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:21,040 And you can see it in the clip like I, I stumble a decent 996 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,920 amount and like, not like it doesn't really look like I'm 997 00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,360 going to fall, but you can tell it, it's just not an efficient 998 00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,080 water barrier. And my ankle was jacked up for 999 00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,000 days after that because I, I landed so badly on it. 1000 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:39,000 But I, I came off that and, and it kind of a similar feeling to 1001 00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:44,120 to Glasgow where I was in the last like 100. 1002 00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,480 It was like, all right in the middle. 1003 00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:51,160 I don't care what color it is like just full gas from here 1004 00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:55,280 and, and, and let's see how many, let's see who I can pick 1005 00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,520 up from here. And, and everyone just started 1006 00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:03,840 coming back to me and, and I got to the last barrier and on the 1007 01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:08,040 Albert Kelly's in front of me and, and the legs were still 1008 01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,520 good enough. And yeah, my last barrier was 1009 01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:14,960 maybe slightly better than his. Neither of them were that good, 1010 01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,640 I don't think. And I think he sends me coming 1011 01:00:18,640 --> 01:00:22,480 with like 20 or 30 to go and like tries to go one more time 1012 01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:24,200 and like holds me off for a second. 1013 01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:29,600 But but I just had enough momentum to to kind of yeah, 1014 01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,000 sneak your head with a few to go a few meters to go. 1015 01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,160 And it's funny how close it is and like the in the results even 1016 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:38,560 like it's only like point O3 or 4. 1017 01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:42,400 But when you're in that like, and I don't know if like people 1018 01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:46,240 even with 100 to go probably can't see that. 7 hundredths of 1019 01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,560 a second, yeah. Yeah, yeah, OK. 1020 01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,280 And it's weird, but when you're in that, like when you know 1021 01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,640 you've got it, even when it's 7 hundredths is a crazy feeling 1022 01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,760 because you know how close it is, but you also know that 1023 01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,800 there's no way you didn't get it. 1024 01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,200 So it's like, not really enough to celebrate, but it's not a 1025 01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:07,960 photo finish. And so you still know that you 1026 01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,600 had it. So then I didn't know what to do 1027 01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:15,600 for the next teammate. I was like, holy shit, yeah. 1028 01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:20,600 I hearing you describe that like, I wish just sort of we 1029 01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:25,480 would have like the internal data of like your heart rate as 1030 01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:29,800 you made each pass on a person. And like once you were in middle 1031 01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:34,800 position and then you got bronze and you get silver and it's like 1032 01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:39,320 gold is right there. Like, is there what part of your 1033 01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:44,360 body, I guess like at that point is like, is it just sort of pure 1034 01:01:44,400 --> 01:01:47,080 like the most, the biggest adrenaline rush ever? 1035 01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,120 Yeah, it's up there, yeah. And it and it, it doesn't really 1036 01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:54,840 get old either. And hopefully that, that there's 1037 01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:58,520 not surprising, I guess, but the like, even though I, I run like 1038 01:01:58,520 --> 01:02:03,800 that a lot, you know, it's just like one of the the purer parts 1039 01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:07,880 of the sport in that there are not that many opportunities to 1040 01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:14,200 to run past people in the last 100 meters with in a stadium 1041 01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,480 like that. And yeah, I mean, I guess I 1042 01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,560 haven't done it in a stadium like that, but I've done it in 1043 01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:22,080 random places. And every time it's like, all 1044 01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:27,280 right, this is like, this is this is freaking sweet. 1045 01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,800 This is a lot of fun. And This is why I get excited 1046 01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:35,360 about the end of races. And This is why I want to, this 1047 01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:38,480 is what I want to provide to the sport and to people watching. 1048 01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,680 And yeah, it's, I think it's fun for me and it's hopefully fun 1049 01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,160 for everyone watching. Yeah. 1050 01:02:44,160 --> 01:02:46,240 And it's so unique. Like, you can't like, recreate 1051 01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:51,880 that in training. You can't recreate it even in a 1052 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:55,080 race that it just has like so many things have to line up to 1053 01:02:55,080 --> 01:03:01,040 recreate that exact feeling. And so that's, I think just 1054 01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:05,280 makes it even more special like when it comes together, because 1055 01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:09,720 you only get a like you only get a few a year, maybe in a, in a 1056 01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:12,960 amazing year. I guess this year I I only 1057 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,520 really got one. Well, then on top of that, it's 1058 01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:20,400 just like it sounds so many alarms for everyone else. 1059 01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,200 It's like we can't let them ever get away. 1060 01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:26,680 And so it's like this being the slowest winning time in a global 1061 01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:31,920 championship final since 1968 in Mexico City, where, I mean, 1062 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:33,880 those Olympic Games were held at altitude. 1063 01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,400 Like there is the, I mean, I, I feel like you probably might be 1064 01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:40,640 thinking the same thing. There's a chance that you just 1065 01:03:40,800 --> 01:03:46,080 created the Matthew Century. It's 2016 Olympic 1500 meter 1066 01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:50,680 final effect on the men's steeple chase, where if you're 1067 01:03:51,120 --> 01:03:55,440 Sarah Morel Bacali, you're thinking, all right, we can't 1068 01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:58,800 ever let it be that slow, even though they did it like just 1069 01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:02,680 three years ago, too. Yeah, I mean, it'll be 1070 01:04:02,680 --> 01:04:06,320 interesting to see what happens, but I mean, I think it wasn't 1071 01:04:06,320 --> 01:04:09,560 that like obviously the 10K the night before, right. 1072 01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:13,880 The night, yeah, the night before was also was that also 1073 01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,560 the slowest in history? I mean, it wasn't that 1074 01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,040 surprising they were going that slow. 1075 01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:22,040 Those can like the conditions those first few days would not 1076 01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,160 conducive to fast distance running. 1077 01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:28,760 The woman got after it in the 10 Ki think at least a lot more 1078 01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:33,040 than the men did. And yeah, I mean, good for them, 1079 01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:37,880 but it but it was like they were things weren't lining up for it 1080 01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:44,480 to be for it to be super fast. So it'd be interesting if if I I 1081 01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:47,120 just don't seem I don't know, I don't feel like I'm going to 1082 01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,160 have that much an impact on it. But but maybe we'll, maybe I 1083 01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:51,160 will. Yeah, we'll see. 1084 01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,520 All right. First medal in a running event 1085 01:04:54,520 --> 01:04:57,880 at the World Championships for New Zealand since I think it was 1086 01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:01,160 John Walker in the 15 hundred 1976. 1087 01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:06,000 Like that being being able to be create that part of history for 1088 01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,960 your country. I mean, the New Zealand team is 1089 01:05:08,960 --> 01:05:12,600 not all that big and it does sort of feel like over the last 1090 01:05:12,600 --> 01:05:17,520 couple of years you guys have found a way to find yourselves 1091 01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:19,120 towards the top of the medal table. 1092 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,120 Yeah, yeah, we've, we've got some good momentum going in 1093 01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:26,200 Dragon Field right now. Yeah, we're now, we're never 1094 01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:29,640 going to have a big team at a championship. 1095 01:05:31,240 --> 01:05:37,080 That's just not going to happen. But yeah, we've been able to to, 1096 01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,720 to put a few people on the podium like fairly regularly for 1097 01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:42,960 how small our team is. And then in the last couple of 1098 01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:47,160 years it's been fun, you know, between, between Tom and Hamish 1099 01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:52,200 and myself and you know, Eliza in, in Glasgow as well. 1100 01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:58,000 You know, we're trying to create a, yeah, I guess a culture of, 1101 01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:02,760 of knowing that we're never going to have a powerhouse team 1102 01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,560 in terms of numbers. Like, you know, we'd know. 1103 01:06:05,560 --> 01:06:09,880 I don't know if we've ever seen more than 20, but we're going to 1104 01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,040 set the bar really high still and see what we can do, I guess. 1105 01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,520 Yeah. It's been really fun between, 1106 01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:20,560 yeah, between being world champs together in Glasgow and here 1107 01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:24,400 with Hamish. He has been, it's been pretty 1108 01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:25,880 unreal. And I think people are getting 1109 01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:28,560 behind it in New Zealand. And it was really cool to see 1110 01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:33,520 the support from, from back home like the few days after and 1111 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:37,920 then, you know, going back, you know, a few weeks later. 1112 01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:42,640 Yeah, people are super excited about it and, and that's really 1113 01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:44,760 cool to see. And it's nice, nice to know that 1114 01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:46,920 we're having a, we're having an impact back home. 1115 01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:50,400 All right, then I got to ask about just sort of like when the 1116 01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,760 next thing we saw on the broadcast, in addition to you 1117 01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:58,280 celebrating is like Elva Collie having like a meltdown and just 1118 01:06:58,280 --> 01:07:02,040 like hitting himself in the face, like crying. 1119 01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:07,400 And, you know, once the race wraps up and there's like one or 1120 01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,720 two interviews that happens, like it moves on to the next 1121 01:07:09,720 --> 01:07:11,040 event. And so we don't really get to 1122 01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:12,760 see all that much more than that. 1123 01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:17,120 Elva Collie doesn't even stop through the mix zone, but you 1124 01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:20,760 must have had like at least like a moment with him after the 1125 01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:22,360 race. Definitely the medal ceremony, 1126 01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,120 like the next day. What's sort of that that 1127 01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:27,800 interaction like? Yeah, we probably spend like 1128 01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:32,320 half an hour together because like, yeah, obviously he was, he 1129 01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,520 was pretty distraught for like a couple of minutes there, but I 1130 01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,560 think he pulled himself together pretty good. 1131 01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:42,840 And then, and then he was, yeah, he was very, very generous in 1132 01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:46,320 his, you know, praise. And yeah, he, he was super nice 1133 01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,680 about it. A few minutes later after that, 1134 01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:52,040 after that outburst. And then, you know, we did our 1135 01:07:52,040 --> 01:07:53,960 victory lab together, which was fun. 1136 01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:58,600 And then I, I don't know, I don't know if it was the other 1137 01:07:58,600 --> 01:08:01,840 serum who came third. I don't know if he'd I used to 1138 01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,440 never never had a middle, so I don't know if he knew what a 1139 01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:05,360 victory that. Was he's 17 years old. 1140 01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,280 Yeah, yeah. So he didn't come. 1141 01:08:07,480 --> 01:08:09,480 So it was just the two of us. I don't know if he didn't want 1142 01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:11,840 to come or if he didn't know that that was something he 1143 01:08:11,840 --> 01:08:13,880 should do, but that was a bit of a bummer. 1144 01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:15,880 We were like looking for him for a while. 1145 01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,520 We're like, you think he's like coming over here or. 1146 01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,319 But no, it was just the two of us. 1147 01:08:21,319 --> 01:08:24,399 And then we had to stand on the back straight for like 15 1148 01:08:24,399 --> 01:08:27,040 minutes waiting for the hurdles because they wouldn't let us. 1149 01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,840 They wouldn't let us finish our lap until they ran the hurdles. 1150 01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,000 Well then, there was a gold medal for on another one. 1151 01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:34,520 Yeah, exactly. So we had a, we had a crazy half 1152 01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:38,640 hour there going from out like first world champion either to 1153 01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:42,680 having two and two races. And so eventually they let us 1154 01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:46,560 carry on. We jump in the water pit, which 1155 01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:49,479 I've been looking forward to because that seems like a good 1156 01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,040 tradition. We should keep that going. 1157 01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,399 That was fun. And then I saw Dathan and Kelsey 1158 01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:59,240 in the stands and I jumped into the stands and like climbed up a 1159 01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:04,319 few like 15 or 20 steps and borderline was like going to get 1160 01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:06,880 arrested. I felt like they were asking me 1161 01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:11,640 very firmly to get the fuck out of it. 1162 01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,840 So that was pretty funny. And then saw my family on the 1163 01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:16,760 they were there, they were like 100 to go. 1164 01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,880 So it took me like 40 minutes to get around to that point, maybe 1165 01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:22,479 longer, I don't know. It took forever. 1166 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:26,200 What does Dathan say after the race in that brief? 1167 01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:28,399 Moment yeah, should I didn't know. 1168 01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:33,000 I think he said something about like that's exactly how you 1169 01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:34,720 would have wanted to do it or something. 1170 01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:42,000 So he's right now. He was it was it was a good it 1171 01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:45,960 was a good moment. He it was emotional, but yeah, 1172 01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:48,399 cool to be able to share that on the track. 1173 01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:51,800 I mean, it did take a while because the whole lap took a 1174 01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:54,120 while. I was like wrapping up whatever 1175 01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:55,560 I was doing up in the media tribune. 1176 01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,640 And then I, I'd like, I, I don't leave until like an hour after 1177 01:09:58,640 --> 01:10:02,080 the stadium like the last event. And so as I'm like walking out, 1178 01:10:02,360 --> 01:10:04,920 that's when I see that you're finally coming through the mix 1179 01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:09,480 zone. And you know, I, I was, I, I pop 1180 01:10:09,480 --> 01:10:14,000 over and someone had asked you just sort of like why, why the 1181 01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:15,560 steeplechase or something like that. 1182 01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:17,840 And then you said it was like, oh, like, well, it goes back to 1183 01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,680 this interview I did with Chris. And then, like, you pointed it 1184 01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:24,400 out and I'm like, I'm standing there like, I have no idea what 1185 01:10:24,400 --> 01:10:26,360 he's talking about. What were you referring to that 1186 01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:28,160 moment? Did you not go back and watch 1187 01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:29,080 it? No. 1188 01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,600 Which one? Right, I hope it exists. 1189 01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:36,640 I see. After my first one in Mount SAC 1190 01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:38,920 I think. I wasn't at Mount SAC, but we 1191 01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:42,600 must have had somebody there or. Maybe it was just Sidious. 1192 01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:44,680 Maybe I was just thinking you guys. 1193 01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:47,760 You gave me so much credit and I was like, oh, what did I do? 1194 01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:49,840 But I was like, that was. Maybe it was just citrus. 1195 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,160 Yeah, yeah, it was the. You weren't at that. 1196 01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:54,560 What even was that mean? It was. 1197 01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:56,040 No, it was the mountain SAC release. 1198 01:10:56,440 --> 01:10:59,600 No, you weren't there. We probably had someone there or 1199 01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:01,760 oh, was this that when we were at? 1200 01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:02,560 Yeah, yeah. Wait, wait. 1201 01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,640 It was on track nights, right? Yeah, that one too. 1202 01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:07,560 I don't know which one I was referring to. 1203 01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:09,840 Actually, it probably was that one because they were both. 1204 01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,320 I raced twice at Mountain SAC in like a few weeks. 1205 01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,360 All right, so then OK, now I got to go back and and figure out 1206 01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,520 what what it was, but. I don't know which one it was 1207 01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,000 at, but I know it was at Mountain SAC. 1208 01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:21,520 OK, I thought it was you. Yeah, well. 1209 01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:23,520 It. Gave me so much credit. 1210 01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,880 I was like, I was like, oh, I guess I've been part of this, 1211 01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,040 this process for, for a while and got getting a chance to 1212 01:11:30,040 --> 01:11:31,960 watch all of this. But I think that. 1213 01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,640 So then I did go back and I did find like an interview that you 1214 01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:39,080 did with us at some point and you said, I guess there's a 1215 01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:42,600 quote here somewhere. You're just like, I'm just a 1216 01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,440 runner. I feel like labeling myself in 1217 01:11:44,440 --> 01:11:46,400 one event group doesn't change what I can do. 1218 01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:49,280 That doesn't achieve anything. And I feel like now you're in a 1219 01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:51,560 similar spot where it's sort of like everyone probably is going 1220 01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:54,200 to view you as, yeah, it's steeplechase world champion, but 1221 01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:57,680 you're coming up on a year where, like there is no 1222 01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,040 steeplechase at the World Ultimate Championships. 1223 01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:01,880 So what are you thinking of doing? 1224 01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:04,920 Good question. Yeah, it's it's been cool that 1225 01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:09,280 the the journey to like of Stevie chasing has been so short 1226 01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:11,640 that like a lot of people have been able to follow it. 1227 01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:13,920 Like it's been cool that it's kind of been documented on 1228 01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:17,440 Coffee Club in some ways. And then, you know, just out 1229 01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:22,440 there in in such a short amount of racing that like it's kind of 1230 01:12:22,440 --> 01:12:25,640 an easy trajectory to follow. So that's kind of been it's kind 1231 01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,000 of like a fun thing to be able to to be able to share with 1232 01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:33,480 people. And so yeah, there's a com games 1233 01:12:33,480 --> 01:12:34,720 people. Oh, OK. 1234 01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:40,600 That's probably going to be a focus for sure. 1235 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:45,040 You versus serum. Yeah, both serums assume 1236 01:12:45,200 --> 01:12:52,320 probably this time, Yeah, I'm not sure how many times Kenyans 1237 01:12:52,320 --> 01:12:54,440 have gone 123, but I assume it's a lot. 1238 01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,840 Probably need to check some history on there, but I know 1239 01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:03,080 that's happened quite a few times and so it'd be fun to 1240 01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:07,680 break that up. And yeah, no, I'm I'm keen to 1241 01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:13,280 run a bit more on the flat. It's likely not going to be five 1242 01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,480 KS, I don't think. Honestly, I'm sure I have barely 1243 01:13:15,480 --> 01:13:17,360 thought about it. Yeah. 1244 01:13:17,480 --> 01:13:18,720 You're just getting back into it. 1245 01:13:18,720 --> 01:13:22,800 I know we got Mary Mile coming up in December and then 1246 01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:26,680 potentially I guess like I mean before we know it, it's indoor 1247 01:13:26,680 --> 01:13:29,200 season like. Yeah, exactly. 1248 01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,400 Now I'd love to get back into indoors again. 1249 01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:39,760 Obviously I didn't have an indoor season 2025 S the last 1250 01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:44,360 indoor race I did was in Glasgow, so it'd be nice to back 1251 01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:48,080 that one up with something indoors, whatever that might be 1252 01:13:49,480 --> 01:13:54,280 like worlds is words is really hard to qualify for so but but 1253 01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:56,400 I'll try to get to to get to a few in the races. 1254 01:13:56,400 --> 01:13:59,200 I think yeah, maybe a couple of miles 1500s outdoors. 1255 01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:02,720 I don't know I'm gonna I'll still steeplechase. 1256 01:14:02,720 --> 01:14:08,120 It's weird to think that I could not run a steeple until be 1257 01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:12,560 changing world champs. I'd imagine if I just decided 1258 01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,440 not to run another one for two years. 1259 01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,960 I think someone, I think there should be a world champion who 1260 01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:22,560 gets like the two years and then they just like let themselves go 1261 01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:27,920 and just like show up at very out of shape and toe the 1262 01:14:27,920 --> 01:14:30,440 starting line. It's like, all right, David 1263 01:14:30,440 --> 01:14:33,800 Rhodesia now. Like I, I, I wish like he would 1264 01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,000 have won a world championship. He'd show up like David Rhodesia 1265 01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:41,120 right now. Yeah, maybe like maybe the very 1266 01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,080 last one, we'll see if I can make that happen. 1267 01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,560 But now I assume, no, these guys, these guys made 8 minutes 1268 01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:53,280 look doable last year. Like, you know, I often, you 1269 01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:55,720 know, say that I'm not interested in time so much, but 1270 01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:59,840 that doesn't mean I don't think running fast is really cool and 1271 01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:02,880 running really close to 8 minutes would be, would be, 1272 01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:07,440 would be sweet. Obviously A7 in the front would 1273 01:15:07,440 --> 01:15:14,400 be the ideal scenario, so they'd be sweet if we can make that 1274 01:15:14,400 --> 01:15:16,600 happen at some point. It's almost like there's like a 1275 01:15:16,600 --> 01:15:20,640 subplot race of who's the 1st non African to break 8 minutes 1276 01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:25,120 and it could be you could be Frederick, Rupert could be Mura. 1277 01:15:25,320 --> 01:15:26,960 Yeah, yeah. So. 1278 01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:31,600 Yeah, even rooks showed that rooks can run eight O 5 in in 1279 01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:34,400 the Olympic finals. So, you know, even showed that 1280 01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:38,800 it's 100% doable. He was probably in 755 shape, 1281 01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:42,880 you know, that day, so. That's like a Roman Empire race. 1282 01:15:42,880 --> 01:15:46,080 That's so there's like a great population of people that think 1283 01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:53,040 about that like every so often. I Yeah, at least if you've a few 1284 01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:54,800 times a year. More than a few times a year, 1285 01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:59,720 yeah. And looking at it in a positive 1286 01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:02,960 light, he's shown that it's doable 100%. 1287 01:16:03,080 --> 01:16:05,640 So yeah, let's let's make it happen. 1288 01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,440 All right, final thing is you on the coffee club recap that you 1289 01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:13,760 did, you toyed around, which sort of like the idea of 1290 01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:18,600 retiring the textbook George method of just sort of like 1291 01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:22,920 you're like, all right, it worked and maybe this is the 1292 01:16:22,920 --> 01:16:26,640 perfect way to put a end to that chapter. 1293 01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:28,360 But it so it's like, what does it be? 1294 01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,440 Did I say that? Yeah, I think like during the 1295 01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:33,920 recap, this might have been just you just sort of like you're 1296 01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:36,400 like, you know, that's just like the perfect way of like people 1297 01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,440 have been able to see a textbook, George, develop over 1298 01:16:38,440 --> 01:16:40,680 time. And this must have been like the 1299 01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:44,840 the best chapter in the textbook that it's like, maybe this is 1300 01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:49,360 the the happy ending that it deserves, but that I mean, yeah, 1301 01:16:49,480 --> 01:16:53,840 you taking becoming a front runner in 2026 would take so 1302 01:16:53,840 --> 01:16:56,160 many people by surprise. Now, how effective will it be? 1303 01:16:56,160 --> 01:16:58,520 I don't know. Yeah, it's not going to happen. 1304 01:17:00,240 --> 01:17:03,920 No, I think it's like the culmination of a few years of of 1305 01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,720 takes with George. Not necessarily the culmination, 1306 01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:10,560 but that hopefully, you know, maybe there's some, there's some 1307 01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:12,080 dips and bellies after this, but. 1308 01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:15,080 Yeah, you're on. We're we're on to book 2 at this 1309 01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,040 point. Like that first edition of the 1310 01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:21,400 textbook just wrapped up and we we got it all figured out now 1311 01:17:21,400 --> 01:17:23,800 it's sort of like we're going to start a new a new textbook. 1312 01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:30,920 Yeah, I think it's, it's like such a part of how I, I enjoy 1313 01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:37,760 racing now and such a part of the, I don't know, like my ethos 1314 01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:42,160 in, in the running world like, and people, at least some people 1315 01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,880 love watching it. And I love that. 1316 01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:50,240 I love that people can get excited about it and like look 1317 01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:54,120 forward to watching me race or get excited because I'm in a 1318 01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,040 race or whatever reason it might be. 1319 01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:58,560 And, and that's like one of the the things I realized 1320 01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:03,040 afterwards, they're like is either it's kind of what was 1321 01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:08,640 most important to me afterwards is like the realization that I 1322 01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:14,880 just would loved hearing how people like, how it made people 1323 01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:19,200 feel them like watching the race, either them telling me 1324 01:18:19,200 --> 01:18:22,120 like where they were watching it, who they're watching it 1325 01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:25,600 with, like what they were doing in the middle of the night 1326 01:18:25,600 --> 01:18:28,560 trying to stream this race, like how it made them feel. 1327 01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:32,040 Like I realized that's actually so important to me. 1328 01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:35,560 It's not like I don't, I don't go look at the middle upstairs 1329 01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,880 and like, it's, it's cool. It's I'm going to look after it, 1330 01:18:39,880 --> 01:18:42,440 no doubt, but it doesn't necessarily like make me feel 1331 01:18:42,440 --> 01:18:46,320 anything when I see it. But when people actually tell me 1332 01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:51,200 how they felt, what you know, or how like what it meant to them, 1333 01:18:51,440 --> 01:18:55,160 that's like the thing that is actually meaningful. 1334 01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:58,320 Yeah, a lot of credit goes to just the work that the three of 1335 01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,760 you guys have done with just developing that audience and 1336 01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:02,240 that fan base through the podcast. 1337 01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:06,560 Like to see that photo of like the Japanese woman who had like 1338 01:19:06,560 --> 01:19:10,160 the coffee club scarf that you guys didn't even sell or 1339 01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:11,800 anything. It looked like it was self 1340 01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:15,440 produced. That I mean, that's that's those 1341 01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:18,440 are the really cool moments. And one final thing popped into 1342 01:19:18,440 --> 01:19:20,920 my head. So top three will go from 3 to 1343 01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:23,760 1. Textbook George race finishes 1344 01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:27,560 from like and like you can, I guess combine it into just like 1345 01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:32,120 most thrilling to also just like, you know, the some of them 1346 01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,720 must have been crazy stressful. I'm thinking like the ones that 1347 01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,080 stick out. Obviously Mill rose both these 1348 01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:40,640 world's races. But when I asked Grand Blanks 1349 01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:44,640 for like his top three races from, you know, competing at 1350 01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:47,360 Harvard, this is when we, you know, did his pro announcement. 1351 01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,560 It surprised me that none of them were NCA championship 1352 01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,840 titles. Like one of them was like this 1353 01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:57,760 IC4A conference or whatever it was that he competed at. 1354 01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:03,080 So I'm wondering if you'd surprise me here by like maybe 1355 01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:06,400 one of them being like some random race and few people 1356 01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:09,040 probably remember. I think you picked the three 1357 01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:15,280 like most thrilling ones. Like those are the three most 1358 01:20:15,280 --> 01:20:19,480 fun I think. 3 is mil rose. Yeah, that one was pretty sweet 1359 01:20:19,480 --> 01:20:22,840 though. Yeah, we probably should. 1360 01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:24,680 We'll probably should put Mil Rose at 3:00. 1361 01:20:25,480 --> 01:20:29,400 Spoiling the Cooper Cole debut, yeah. 1362 01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:32,080 Yeah, the professional debut that was that was sick. 1363 01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:36,760 And I think that was the first race we did in like on spikes 1364 01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:39,360 when once they got good. So it was huge for the brand. 1365 01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:46,880 It was huge for the like early days of OAC and Miros is just so 1366 01:20:46,880 --> 01:20:48,280 sick. It's so hard to beat that. 1367 01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,760 It's and just like in an on an indoor track and similar to 1368 01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:56,480 Glasgow, like running fast in a small stadium like that. 1369 01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,120 So I think I think those are the top three thrilling. 1370 01:20:59,120 --> 01:21:03,080 But but I can think of like formative textbook George 1371 01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:08,440 moments where it felt like where it felt like I had this kind of 1372 01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:13,560 gear that not everyone necessarily has. 1373 01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:15,400 All right, so give me three of those. 1374 01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:18,800 Like all, probably before I won the mile, this is the first time 1375 01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,920 I'd won a race in college. First race I ever won in college 1376 01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:26,600 was an 800 in the Dome in January. 1377 01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:31,760 I ran like 154 in Flagstaff. Maybe the first race this 1378 01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:33,440 season, I'm not sure. Give yourself a little more 1379 01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:39,400 credit 153.95. OK, 153.95, that's probably 1380 01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,560 converts to like 152 right there. 1381 01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:47,200 And I think we doubled up in a 3K later and it's miserable, but 1382 01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:50,880 I remember. The 756, No, actually, no, I 1383 01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:54,120 don't see that. That was you ran 756 later on in 1384 01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:56,640 Iowa, Yeah. Yeah, no, don't, don't. 1385 01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:59,760 Look, this one, OK, probably wasn't all the results, but I 1386 01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:03,840 remember being on the back straight in the Dome and I think 1387 01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:06,400 I'm in sick and behind. Give me a shout out. 1388 01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:13,560 Kate Burks, who was on the team at the time and Smith is in like 1389 01:22:13,560 --> 01:22:17,120 Smith is just in like lane 3 or 4, like I know doing his thing, 1390 01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:20,320 standing on his own. And he he just says like kind of 1391 01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:23,200 quietly as I go past, he just goes go hunting. 1392 01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:29,160 And I have this like, like I have such a distinct memory of 1393 01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:34,560 that, of that moment. And not that like I did 1394 01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:36,520 something because of it, but I just like remember this so 1395 01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:39,400 clearly. And then I was probably like 20 1396 01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:42,320 meters back and, and ended up winning like through the home 1397 01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:46,000 stretch. And that was kind of the then I 1398 01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:49,680 won Big Sky Conference in kind of a similar way in the mile, 1399 01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:58,000 which was like in at Montana State indoor indoor 200m flat 1400 01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:03,560 over KC Nibblebard, just like legendary Big Sky races, maybe 1401 01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:06,920 like 14 or 411, but flat at altitude. 1402 01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:11,760 So I don't know what that meant, but actually I took my I took my 1403 01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:15,920 hair down like a 2 with like a left to go because I was, I just 1404 01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:19,840 tied it up shit. And then just like remember 1405 01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:24,080 passing Louise and Casey in the last 200 and and that was like 2 1406 01:23:24,080 --> 01:23:27,320 weeks before instead of A's. And I was that was like, those 1407 01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,600 are like the couple of races leading up to that where I 1408 01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:34,600 realized that like I had something kind of special in the 1409 01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:37,160 last like 150. And I remember like finishing 1410 01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:39,800 big scars, like I could have gone, like I could have gone 1411 01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:42,480 earlier. I was, I was still going through 1412 01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:46,880 the line. And then I went at like 300 to 1413 01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:51,800 go indoors against Ollie and and like held everybody off. 1414 01:23:51,800 --> 01:23:56,160 And it was, and I feel like that was those like the, the origins, 1415 01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:58,760 those the origins of of ticks with George. 1416 01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:01,680 Geez. All right, $50.00 to anyone who 1417 01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:07,040 could track down the Lumberjack Team Challenge 800 from 2019, 1418 01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:11,280 because I mean, I feel like there's got to be little to no 1419 01:24:11,280 --> 01:24:14,960 video evidence of that race. No the OG. 1420 01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:16,560 Textbook. George Kick. 1421 01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,320 Wow. Yeah, first race I won in 1422 01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:20,040 college. I didn't win many races in 1423 01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:21,560 college. Oh man, yeah. 1424 01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:23,120 Very hard. All right, George. 1425 01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:27,920 Well, I appreciate you getting this recap done with me. 1426 01:24:28,760 --> 01:24:31,920 This is a lot of fun to, you know, I can't believe, you know, 1427 01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:34,920 Tokyo feels like yesterday and this conversation, you've been 1428 01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:37,800 putting me just kind of back in that stadium for a couple 1429 01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:41,000 moments. And it's just as sweet now. 1430 01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:45,400 But I am also looking forward to many more moments that are 1431 01:24:45,400 --> 01:24:47,400 created in the next couple of years. 1432 01:24:47,400 --> 01:24:52,360 And it's been really special to to follow along in in the 1433 01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:54,160 journey and development with the steeplechase. 1434 01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:58,960 And so, yeah, no, just thank you for giving us probably one of 1435 01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:03,080 the best races of 2025. 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