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What's up everyone? 
You are listening to the CDs Mag

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podcast. 
I'm your host Chris Chavez, and 

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every week we go beyond the 
results to bring you 

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conversations with the biggest 
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and behind the scenes. 
From world class athletes and 

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coaches to innovators shaping 
the sport. 

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If it's happening on the track, 
we're covering it with real 

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insights that sharpen minds, 
deep dives into the moments that

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define careers, and the kind of 
access to the pros you won't get

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anywhere else. 
So let's get into it because we 

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love. 
Track and field. 

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My guest for today's episode is 
Jose Marezma, the clinical 

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exercise physiologist, sports 
psychologist and the mental 

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performance coach behind Josh 
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If you listen to our 
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Mackie over the last few weeks, 
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repeatedly. 
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whiteboard session in 
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race morning, the famous what if
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Jose was the person on the other
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Jose has been working in 
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years across Olympic sports, 
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forces, law enforcement and 
corporate leadership. 

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He started in the world of 
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ski racing, the Olympic Training
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the same bottleneck, the mind. 
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started not with Josh, but with 
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She attended a talk that Jose 
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into medical school back in 
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and two years later texted him. 
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Olympics, which would be open to
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So Jose invited Josh to a cold 
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Ice pool, pickaxe, 32° dark 
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Josh dove in. 
You'll hear the full story. 

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And then five years of work 
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In this conversation, Jose walks
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The hero's journey framework 
that he built their relationship

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around. 
Why he had Josh Wright 342 on 

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dozens of pages of paper with a 
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The 222 second cold plunge of 
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the cellular level. 
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neurologically when an athlete 
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How the Pacers were paired with 
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We dive into a lot. 
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or half marathon can actually 
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I know this is a third episode 
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world record. 
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I feel like we haven't. 
Scratched the surface. 

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On telling the full story of it,
hopefully someday. 

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There's even more that Josh 
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share this conversation. 
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up. 
And it was fascinating. 

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So without further ado, here is 
Jose Marezma. 

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All right, Jose, well, welcome 
to the City of Smack podcast and

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I'm super excited to chat with 
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And I feel like I had to give 
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podcast just diving into Josh 
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I, I feel like I haven't stopped
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And there's we were talking a 
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recording about how so many 
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of what has gone into a 
performance like this because it

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wasn't just, you know, months in
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PowerPoint announcement to 
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with the press release on this 
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been years in the making. 
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recurring. 
Characters that has popped up. 

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In Josh's, you know, 
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18th has actually sunk in for 
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Yeah, it's thank you, Chris. 
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thank you for having me. 
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that that dovetails right into 
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coaching practices. 
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You know, it was a pinnacle 
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obviously for Josh, and 
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touched a lot of the world. 
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our lives. 
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It's still kind of, I call it 
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I'm integrating that experience 
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to the collective so. 
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how you got connected with Josh,
can you share a bit of your 

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background for folks on just 
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I mean, a lot of this is 4 
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going into all of this. 
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psych and I started my career, 
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ski racing. 
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working places like the Olympic 
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alphabet soup of professional 
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it's the mind, it's the 
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I can make somebody faster. 
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Danny's a wizard at programming.
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but the mind less so, right? 
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Just, you know, the days I gave 
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myself, not working hard enough.
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others to go through that 
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And so, yeah, that's that's what
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category, right? 
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people that, that function on 
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might be, where the outcomes are
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consequences. 
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with those populations, ER 
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you know, couples, my wife and 
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psychologist and we do couples 
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stakes are high and it matters. 
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stay regulated is really 
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same kind of concepts, tools and
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human beings. 
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understand in 35 years. 
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There's just your life and all 
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that life. 
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you ended up getting connected 
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Josh first, it was his wife, 
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And so, yeah, as a, as an 
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Mexico, I like giving back. 
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I'd get a call. 
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know, kind of focus and mindset 
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that conversation or that talk. 
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introduced herself. 
Super bubbly, really amazing 

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human being. 
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information. 
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getting ready for the Tokyo 
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for the Olympics. 
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with him? 
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remembered her because she was 
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during the winter months, you 
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showed up and eyes got about 
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relationship. 
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first or what are you looking 
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the experience? 
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they get out of it? 
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what kept Josh coming back. 
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players and engineers and some 
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first responders would come. 
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hey, they're a bunch of health 
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All right? 
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Your body responds in a way that
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literally does. 
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understood kind of this 
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'cause right afterwards he said 
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got in, 'cause you're looking at
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I handed him a pickaxe and they 
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these huge chunks of ice are 
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real similar to the anxiety I 
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High stakes, uncertainty, all 
these things are coming, what's 

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I have videos of it actually. 

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physiological response and 
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you're there and you can just 30
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it's painful. 
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Can I regulate here? 
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Can I just stay with it? 
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feat. 
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very beginning, it's with the 
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everyone at his level in the 
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their whole entire lives around.
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Everyone works backwards in 
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life, you know, around the next 
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And for Josh, I guess, like that
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now that extra year to work with
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early exercises, you're not 
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or simulate the feeling of being
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thousands of people, which in 
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front of nobody. 
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the control of what you can 
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So having that extra year, what 
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and and what were you looking to
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OK, so good question. 
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I want to kind of. 
I love it. 

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is tell me your story. 
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that of Josh, it's great. 
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'cause I just get to step back 
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I'm sorry, I'm over talking. 
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themselves, they're, they're 
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And it's, we all do it because 
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right? 
We want to be seen. 

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And I'm, you know, I'm not going
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proprietary or secret or he's 
talked about this like, you 

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know, 8 years old sitting under 
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You know, he found this fire 
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I call it knowing your nature. 
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he found that early, like, 
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environment, this world at 8, 
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unique, although I think 
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And so he proceeded to say, you 
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that process was like for him, 
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Sunday afternoons when it's 
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and no one's there and doing his
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And I was like, oh, my God, you 
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He's one of those people. 
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you're already sharp. 
He's a professional at this 

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point. 
He's been running professionally

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for a little bit. 
We're we're going for the 

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Olympics. 
This is, you know, like you 

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said, a pinnacle event. 
And what I told him, I said our 

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goal really is just to know more
about yourself. 

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You're already sharp. 
And all we're going to do is 

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buff out burrs. 
We're just going to get you 

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razor sharp. 
And from my perspective, that is

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a lot of self-awareness, self 
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stabilize and strengthen your 
mind when it matters, when the 

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pressure's on, when there is a 
big crowd over there isn't a a 

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big crowd, right? 
So Tokyo is very unique. 

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That was actually a very 
disruptive force to not have 

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people in the arena, in the 
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That's part of what the games 
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superhuman feats to the world, 
right? 

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That's the original Olympics. 
You know, there's a way that we,

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we got to see what humans are 
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that. 
We love it as a society, as 

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human beings, and certainly as 
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enthusiasts. 
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on. 
And you know, I use mechanistic 

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tools, things, you know, 
everything I do is very 

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neuroscience based and it's very
Physiology based and stuff 

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that's very well documented and 
evidence and so forth. 

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And I also weave in a lot of the
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Josh has said, I saw in a couple
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woo sometimes. 
But that's the magic of our 

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psyche. 
That's the magic of our mind. 

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You know, we have stories. 
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a theme that I use, or it's a 
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the the God Apollo, you know, 
The Olympian God Apollo said, 

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know thyself. 
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philosophers have talked about 
that knowing myself, you know, 

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truly being connected to self. 
They said, so know thyself, know

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thy strengths and know thy 
limitations. 

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And from there you can create a 
life of meaning, right? 

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And so I dropped that on him. 
I said, this is what our journey

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is and it, and it's going to 
feed into your story, your 

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hero's journey, right? 
I I don't know if you're 

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familiar with Joseph Campbell 
and the Hero's Journey concept. 

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No, not, not too much. 
Not, not too much. 

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So you do know it. 
It's rocky. 

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OK. 
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It's the it's the, it's pretty 
much every movie you watch. 

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It's the heroes journey. 
You know, Jr. 

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Tolkien and Joseph Campbell were
good buddies. 

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They hung out and he wrote The 
Hobbit based on this idea, 

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right? 
So here's Josh and this is the 

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the elements of it. 
He's this young boy in Glasgow, 

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Scotland, and he has, you know, 
a beautiful home, beautiful 

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family, you know, this really 
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I'm here. 
I could just be here and life 

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would be fine. 
Yet there is this call to 

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adventure, right? 
He kept getting called to do 

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something and it was from that 
internal kind of his nature. 

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It was in here. 
I need to find out what I'm 

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capable of and, and what I mean 
in the world. 

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And that's really what Josh is 
good at. 

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That's actually, I think what he
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record and why you've seen his 
career continue to grow in his 

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particular way. 
It's a very unique individual. 

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And so we, we premised it on 
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We're going to go on a on a 
journey of self discovery and 

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we're going to have, we're going
to meet Dragons. 

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We're going to have dark nights 
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we're going to get up when we 
got beat up and we're going to 

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go again. 
And we're going to just keep 

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going after this, this 
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seeking. 
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that and we began with, you 
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So cold plunge was one tool that
we use, but that immediately LED

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into things like teaching him to
become a meditator. 

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I'm a trained meditation teacher
and something called mindfulness

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based stress reduction, and I do
my own version using these 

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elements that are ancient. 
But now neuroscience has shown 

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us that we can regulate the 
excitability of our brain by 

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controlling our breathing in a 
very intentional way. 

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So I began with that. 
I taught him that skill and he 

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practiced. 
That's the thing with Josh. 

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He's a a student, you know, he's
never a master. 

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He's always got this attitude 
and in mindfulness, we call that

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a beginner's mind. 
He never has any kind of 

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arrogance around knowing it all.
He's so open to trying things, 

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even when it's woo woo. 
I'm like, hey Josh, we're going 

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to try a little something here. 
Are you open? 

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He's absolutely and he leans 
into it, you know, that 

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uncertainty, that that mystery 
and that shows up on the track 

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that shows up when he's 
training. 

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You know, he's always curious. 
I told him be curious every day,

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every time you step on the trap,
go in the gym, be curious of 

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what you can do today. 
And that puts that starts 

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developing a mind that has no 
limits, right, Because most of 

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what athletes or special 
operators or doctors or even 

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anyone. 
Really deals with is these self 

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limiting thoughts that I can't I
couldn't do that, you know, Hey,

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I want to break the world 
record. 

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You can't do that. 
I mean, you're aware of the the 

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shade that he got, you know, 
since he announced 222 like he 

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can't do that. 
The problem is when we believe 

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that and we do even on a 
subconscious level, and there's 

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a bunch of neuroscience behind 
that using things like call, you

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know, elements in our brain are 
subconscious and, and even just 

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a second in that space and it's 
slow. 

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It's like putting the parking 
brake on, even if it's 

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momentary. 
And certainly for something that

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has such tight tolerances, like 
a mile world record, it's a very

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short amount of time with a lot 
of calculation, a lot of effort 

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going into it. 
You can't think, you can't even 

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touch a negative thought when 
you're on the track. 

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And we could talk about that 
because that's that's he did a 

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masterful job in that particular
moment. 

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He's very good at it. 
I think for the world record, he

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unlocked another level of that 
and you know, people know what 

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it is. 
It's called flow state. 

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It's where thinking and doing 
become one. 

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It's just one thing. 
There is no separation and it 

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record, I mean it, it it's very 
clear that when he's telling you

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his story and he's open to doing
all these like you very quickly 

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realize like, oh, this one is, 
is different. 

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And So what did you learn then 
when you see him in Tokyo, earn 

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a bronze medal. 
You posted the photo of this 

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after the world record. 
That was only just like the the 

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beginning of the validation from
what you were seeing behind the 

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scenes. 
And it's clear since then that 

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Josh has only wanted more. 
What did you see? 

450
00:23:56,680 --> 00:24:02,160
So I saw a champion. 
I saw someone that was willing 

451
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,960
to do the work. 
I saw someone that had the 

452
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:10,520
patience to do the process, 
right, to do the work so that 

453
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,760
the outcome was inevitable, 
right? 

454
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,840
So that those outcomes that he 
keeps getting are inevitable 

455
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,880
because he shows up every day 
deeply present, deeply engaged 

456
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:22,120
with the work that he's doing. 
And it was very clear he was 

457
00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:23,240
young. 
You know, he was 20. 

458
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,480
I think he was 2122, right when 
we met. 

459
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:30,440
So, you know, a man, but a young
man, you know, passed his rookie

460
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,080
year. 
And I saw this level of maturity

461
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:38,320
that's pretty unique, a level of
focus that was there, an 

462
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,560
intention and what he wanted. 
And he was very clear about 

463
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:46,160
that. 
He wanted to really show the 

464
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,880
world what he was capable of, 
but more so show himself. 

465
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,880
He was curious about himself, 
like what am I capable of doing?

466
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,280
And it was really a fun process.
It's been a fun process to 

467
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:02,880
explore that with him because 
now I'll tell you, he has one of

468
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,760
the most healthy egos of anyone 
I've ever worked with, anyone. 

469
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:09,520
I mean, you've talked to him, 
you've met him. 

470
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,560
He's an incredible human being. 
He's worthy of being admired and

471
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:18,720
being a role model in a time in 
history where we don't have a 

472
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,520
whole lot of real heroes. 
We have some on, you know, movie

473
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,480
screens and so forth. 
He's a real hero. 

474
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,320
He brings that to every aspect 
of his life. 

475
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,080
The way he behaves as a husband,
as a son, as a family member, as

476
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,480
a brother, as a friend, as an 
athlete, as a teammate. 

477
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:40,200
It's universal, it's who he is. 
And I think that's what what's 

478
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,880
allowed him to do the things 
that he's doing right now. 

479
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:49,560
And so that's what I saw and I 
saw it very quickly and I was 

480
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,960
just like super curious myself. 
I'm like, what could he actually

481
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:56,880
do? 
It could be everything, right? 

482
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,440
Anything that he wants to 
accomplish. 

483
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,880
And it'll be really fun if we 
get to do it together, if I get 

484
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,560
to be with him through that 
process. 

485
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,720
And so that's what I saw. 
I saw somebody that was that was

486
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:12,400
curious as hell about himself. 
One of the biggest things I do 

487
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,800
respect about Josh and the way 
he's been able to process all of

488
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,760
these successes from the past 
couple years, the golden 

489
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:24,480
Budapest, the silver in in Paris
and then even the the world 

490
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:29,520
record here now is that there he
he's not shy to think back on 

491
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,920
just how 2022 affected him and 
how that was like. 

492
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,200
It hasn't been just like this, 
you know, hit after hit after 

493
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:39,080
hit. 
He did get knocked down at some 

494
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,760
point. 
What was important about that 

495
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:45,120
year in retrospect? 
Now you know of the work that 

496
00:26:45,120 --> 00:26:48,400
you guys put in that year that 
maybe manifested itself in 2023 

497
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,480
when he did become a champion? 
Yeah, I think that's a really 

498
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,320
important thing that you just 
brought up is the idea. 

499
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,680
How do we, you know, it's easy 
to celebrate success. 

500
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,080
It's super easy. 
But how do you handle, you know,

501
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:06,920
challenge or defeat? 
Do you show up again? 

502
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,600
Do you come back? 
That's the hero's journey. 

503
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,040
We go out, we meet the dragon, 
and it kicks our ass, right? 

504
00:27:12,120 --> 00:27:14,600
And and there we are in the 
dirt, bleeding. 

505
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:19,040
What are you going to do? 
And I, you know, we were 

506
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,400
together day before yesterday. 
He's back in Albuquerque. 

507
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:23,760
And so we did a mountain 
session. 

508
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,920
We went up, we hike up and we, 
we have a little special place 

509
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:30,320
that we ground and center and 
take some deep breaths. 

510
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:34,280
And you know, what came up for 
me, you know, in this moment of 

511
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:40,200
celebration, as I told him, I 
said, I think what impresses me 

512
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,160
most is how you've handled the 
challenges, right? 

513
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,880
How you've embraced them. 
Have you used them as an 

514
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,800
opportunity to learn to get 
better? 

515
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:51,920
Right? 
Know my limitations, know where 

516
00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:55,840
the limits were and use that as 
a guidepost to how to get 

517
00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,480
better. 
And I told him that. 

518
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,360
I said that's the most 
impressive thing. 

519
00:28:01,360 --> 00:28:04,040
Whether it was that 22 season, 
which wasn't, you know, a 

520
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,800
stellar season for him, it 
wasn't. 

521
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,320
But he kept coming back, right? 
He knew that it wasn't over. 

522
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:13,720
We have slumps sometimes and 
moments for whatever reason, you

523
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,880
know, there's some physical 
things, psychological things, 

524
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,000
struggle, whatever it might be. 
That's that that's kind of 

525
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,920
affecting us. 
Again, that whole idea. 

526
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,160
It's just our life. 
And, you know, those tall, those

527
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,040
little moments and things do 
affect our work. 

528
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,160
And running is his work. 
And that was just a tougher 

529
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,720
year. 
But you know, the questions 

530
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,480
always, what'd you learn? 
What'd you learn? 

531
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,960
What'd you learn? 
And he's really good at that. 

532
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,520
And he's gotten really good at 
that. 

533
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,280
You know, overtime, he got it. 
He was like, yeah, what did I 

534
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,360
learn there? 
What could I do different? 

535
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,400
What could I do better? 
Can I communicate with Danny 

536
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,520
better? 
Can, you know, we really dial up

537
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,880
my sleep, You know, what is it 
that we can do? 

538
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:54,080
And it start, you know, that 
premise of what, what can we 

539
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,120
control? 
That's something else that I've 

540
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,440
introduced into training. 
It's something that I use and 

541
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:01,720
it's a mindset development tool.
It's like we can control certain

542
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,880
things and there are things that
are outside of our control and 

543
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,080
what's the reality? 
I can control my effort, my 

544
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,560
attention, my focus, my 
attitude, right? 

545
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,520
Those are things I can control. 
Everything else is chaos. 

546
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,160
It is you step on the track, 
it's chaos. 

547
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,240
But if we spend time developing 
those things we can control, 

548
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,840
which is essentially ourselves, 
right? 

549
00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:25,560
How we show up, what we do, what
we say, what we think, right? 

550
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,680
We have more influence over 
chaos. 

551
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,520
And that's been that process. 
So slumpier or, you know, Tokyo 

552
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,560
last year, that was tough. 
I wasn't there with him. 

553
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,120
He was ready. 
He was as fit as he's ever been.

554
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:40,640
You know, I work closely with 
Danny. 

555
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,520
We talk a lot. 
And he said, yeah, he's ready. 

556
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,640
He's as fit as he's ever been. 
You know, this should be 

557
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,880
wonderful. 
And chaos touched him, You know,

558
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:55,600
the calf, you know, really 
didn't tell anyone how hurt he 

559
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,560
was. 
He knew. 

560
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,160
In fact, I talked to him that 
day. 

561
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,160
I'm like, you OK, All right. 
I'm OK. 

562
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,400
And I'm like, I knew he was off,
but but OK, it's disruptive. 

563
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:07,600
Whatever. 
And, you know, he had a rough 

564
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,040
final there where he limped 
across the line. 

565
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:15,560
He was injured and he called me 
that night and there was, you 

566
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:20,640
know, it was heavy. 
You know, he sets up his seasons

567
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:22,560
for particular races. 
Typically. 

568
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:25,040
It's a great goal, right? 
We target and and we work 

569
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,480
towards that. 
It's really, I think, very 

570
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:29,520
skillful way to train for 
seasons. 

571
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,120
And he was disappointed and 
there was pain and Mike called 

572
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,360
him was like, feel it all 
invited in. 

573
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:41,240
You know, the way that we 
experience, you know, grief 

574
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,000
because that's literally what he
was going through is a grief is 

575
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,120
to invite it in, not to push it 
away. 

576
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,480
And that's how we integrate it. 
That's how it becomes part of 

577
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:50,400
us. 
We learn from it. 

578
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,920
We live with it. 
And he was rapidly going through

579
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,240
that. 
I, you know, that night I said, 

580
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,400
just be with your family, let 
them love you, you know, feel it

581
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,920
all, feel the disappointment, 
feel the pain. 

582
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,560
And you know, sometimes that's 
hard, certainly for somebody 

583
00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,600
like him who's used to go, go, 
go, you know, fight, fight, 

584
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,720
fight, to surrender the pain, to
surrender to the disappointment.

585
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,000
It's really difficult. 
But he did that. 

586
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,000
And, you know, a couple days 
later and I'll tell you that he,

587
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,040
we talked on the phone. 
How you doing? 

588
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,320
He was going to spend some time 
in Japan with his family and so 

589
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,080
forth. 
He goes, I'm going after the 

590
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,280
world record, right? 
Just a couple days later. 

591
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:31,160
So he moved through that. 
He let that flow through him. 

592
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,240
He learned from that and he was 
ready to go again. 

593
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,600
That's that, you know, a tough 
season, a tough race. 

594
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,640
You have to be able to do that, 
assimilate it, integrate it and 

595
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,480
go. 
And it just made him stronger. 

596
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:44,920
It just keeps making him 
stronger. 

597
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,520
In fact, we talked about it. 
Without that disappointment, 

598
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:52,160
could he have actually 
recalibrated, come back, adapted

599
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,760
and overcome and train as hard 
as he did? 

600
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,800
For the record. 
So sometimes our biggest 

601
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,480
disappointment turns into one of
our biggest inspirations or 

602
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:03,160
tools that we use to actually 
grow. 

603
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,240
So Danny writes the workouts, 
Julian's at practice helping out

604
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:09,000
as well. 
Wear the. 

605
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,080
Pockets of the week that you 
spend time with Josh. 

606
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,680
So there's the there's the, the 
ice bath sessions and then 

607
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,400
there's also what the the hikes 
like is. 

608
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,840
It twice a week. 
Yeah, typically it's twice a 

609
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:23,120
week and then some other 
touches, you know, or either 

610
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,320
texting or, or calling and so 
forth. 

611
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,560
But we typically dedicate 2 days
a week that we're together. 

612
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:33,400
And so, you know, one session 
typically is we spend in the 

613
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,000
sauna and the, and the cold 
plunge. 

614
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,160
And so I have a facility here at
the Performance Ranch and we 

615
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,600
have a beautiful sauna and we 
have beautiful cold plunge tubs 

616
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,720
and we'll, you know, we'll do 
our work in the sauna. 

617
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,520
So we'll do the actual kind of 
what people would call 

618
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:49,040
traditional therapy or you know,
that that type of psychological 

619
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,560
work. 
And, and we do it in the sauna 

620
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:56,000
in a uncomfortable environments,
typically running about 200°. 

621
00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,120
We're in there and then we'll 
pop out and, you know, we'll 

622
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,280
pick a key moment and we might 
put a pin in what we're talking 

623
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,000
about. 
Typically it's something very 

624
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,480
specific into the cold plunge. 
And so I use those tools as 

625
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,840
mechanisms, right? 
So I know Physiology, I know 

626
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,920
psychology and neuroscience. 
I know when we actually add 

627
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,960
these kind of physiological 
stressors, we're changing the 

628
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,360
profile of our endocrine system 
and the chemicals we release. 

629
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:29,440
And we can actually use that to 
embed certain concepts, ideas or

630
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,200
mindsets that we might be 
working on. 

631
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,360
And it's pretty powerful. 
He's talked about how 

632
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:39,880
specifically had him sit in the 
cold plunge for 222 seconds, 

633
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:46,680
right, 222 seconds. 
And it was so that we followed 

634
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,800
through with this concept that I
kind of that. 

635
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,640
And again, I I've done this a 
long time. 

636
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,480
So we use our intuition, we use 
our knowledge. 

637
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,800
We know the relationship that we
have the moment and what's 

638
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:05,440
coming up and first thought I 
had was so Josh has to be able 

639
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,239
to feel in his body. 
And I call this gnosis, right? 

640
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:14,280
And it's not my turn but it but 
it's knowing not here, but here,

641
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:19,280
what it feels like to be at the 
tempo and pace that he needs to 

642
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,800
be at for each lap for 222 
seconds. 

643
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,320
He has to feel that discomfort. 
And I even called Danny, I said 

644
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:29,600
look in the training. 
Josh needs to feel it so that he

645
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,320
doesn't need a pacer, he doesn't
need lights, that he will know 

646
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:39,000
fully in his body that he's on 
pace, right? 

647
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,880
And your workout should actually
mimic that. 

648
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,639
It should actually, as you 
develop over the next several 

649
00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:48,400
months that he, you know, 
whether it's a 200, a 400 and 

650
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,840
800, that his body is starting 
to understand and be super 

651
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,560
intimate with that feeling so 
that he knows it. 

652
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,320
Does that make sense? 
And so using the cold plunge was

653
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,800
way to reinforce that or 
emphasize that too. 

654
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:06,320
Then we then we do another 
session a week, which is out in 

655
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,360
nature. 
And there are reasons to do 

656
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:10,440
that. 
I, I like taking my athletes or 

657
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:13,040
people I work without in, in 
natural environments. 

658
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,360
It's Stanford did studies. 
It shows us when we're actually 

659
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:20,120
in nature, our brains look like 
they're on meditating, right? 

660
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:23,320
And so it's a way that we can 
activate the parasympathetic 

661
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,200
nervous system, rest, digest, 
relax, recover. 

662
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,720
I think we should spend time in 
nature. 

663
00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:32,800
There's something that that 
inspires awe, right? 

664
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,760
So we're, we're, we're creating 
these sensations and these 

665
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,760
chemical profiles that actually 
open US, right? 

666
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,920
Open, open, open to awe, to 
wonder, right? 

667
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,240
And that was a big part of 
creating something new. 

668
00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:47,360
And like a world record, it had 
to be awe. 

669
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,680
It's something new. 
It's never happened, right? 

670
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,280
There had to be something 
mystical about it, almost right 

671
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,720
storytelling here. 
And so I would bring them out. 

672
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,400
We strip our shoes off. 
We feel the earth underneath us.

673
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,640
And it's a practice of of 
centering. 

674
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:05,160
It's a practice of presence to 
be fully in your body, less 

675
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,840
thinking, more experiencing the 
moment. 

676
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,960
And we spend, you know, time out
there, We notice the sun, we 

677
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,920
feel the light, you know, the 
1st 15 minutes, there's no 

678
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,480
conversation. 
It's really just being here, 

679
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,880
being present and for somebody 
that all week is like got the 

680
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,400
dial turned up, you know, all 
the way up, all the training he 

681
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,280
was doing. 
It's a great way to reset the 

682
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,880
nervous system. 
It's a form of recovery, and 

683
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,800
he's talked about that. 
He became a master of recovery. 

684
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,240
Most athletes are masters of 
hard work, especially at this 

685
00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:38,400
level. 
They know how to work hard. 

686
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,000
That's not typically a difficult
thing for them. 

687
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:45,120
But turning it down, putting it 
down for a little bit is often 

688
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,040
difficult. 
And as a physiologist, all the 

689
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,360
adaptations of the hard work 
actually get integrated when 

690
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:56,040
you're recovering, right. 
And so that's, that's typically 

691
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:59,960
how we spend our weeks is a 
couple sessions a week and then 

692
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:03,520
just touching base during the, 
the world record, the mile. 

693
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,480
I, I spent a lot of time, you 
know, I'd come out to the track 

694
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:10,520
and just be there and, you know,
small little exchanges and, you 

695
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,640
know, like, how'd that feel? 
What was that like? 

696
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,480
And I don't know if that, you 
know, he's talked about when he 

697
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,760
when he posted that time trial, 
you know, I was on the track. 

698
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,120
I was sitting there with his 
parents. 

699
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,160
I don't know if that's something
you want to talk about. 

700
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:28,480
But that was actually a profound
moment when he, you know, kind 

701
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:32,320
of took the engines out and 
tested them for real, putting it

702
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,800
all together. 
And that's pretty interesting. 

703
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,200
Yeah, it's one of the ones that 
when he told that story to to me

704
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,800
and Kyle and we recorded that 
podcast with him and we talked 

705
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:48,120
about that time trial. 
He shared how, you know, he 

706
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:53,680
crossed through the 1200 ran 242
closed crazy hard. 

707
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,800
And then he's basically, I think
expressed to you and Danny that 

708
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,400
he thought it would be harder. 
And then it was you, I think, 

709
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,520
who said to to him. 
I was like, but what if it's 

710
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,480
easy and it really just 
unlocked? 

711
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,400
I've been thinking about it a 
lot, even in my own workouts, 

712
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:15,800
you know, if if I'm trying to 
hit a certain pace or anything 

713
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,880
like that, I'm just telling 
myself, what if it's easy? 

714
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,000
And yeah, I think even Kyle's 
tossed up a Strava caption here 

715
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:23,320
or there. 
It's like, what if it's easy? 

716
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,800
So where did you come up with 
this thing? 

717
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:31,640
OK, so, OK, so I, I think it's 
pivotal in the moment, you know,

718
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,360
don't really know how pivotal it
might be or it might be a 

719
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,880
deflection point or just, you 
know, it's planting a seed. 

720
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,320
It's like the small seed. 
So we're up there. 

721
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:41,480
I'm sitting with these folks who
are amazing. 

722
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,800
I love them so much. 
And you know, we witnessed this 

723
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:50,320
amazing training session. 
And so I walked down to the 

724
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,080
track and Josh is drinking 
water. 

725
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,000
I walked up to Julian 1st and I 
asked him, it's like, what do 

726
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,040
you think, Julian? 
And his mouth is kind of going 

727
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,640
between a huge smile and hanging
open. 

728
00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:04,320
And he said it was the most of 
unbelievable training session 

729
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,120
I've ever witnessed, right? 
You know, so you could feel that

730
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,000
and you could it was palpable on
the track. 

731
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,480
So the team Brooks was there. 
You know, most of the beasts 

732
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:14,280
were there. 
It was a really beautiful 

733
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,800
training session. 
Everybody had just incredible 

734
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,680
work. 
And it kind of the culmination 

735
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,800
was this, this time trial. 
And, you know, you know, the 

736
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:26,440
numbers that he posted. 
And I walk up to Josh and I'm 

737
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:32,000
like, how did it feel? 
And he's kind of like it felt 

738
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,680
easy. 
And I'm like, OK, but I wish it 

739
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,800
felt harder so that it could be 
real. 

740
00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:47,280
And instantly I knew because at 
this point, you know, we were 

741
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:48,600
close. 
We're about a month out. 

742
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,760
And I knew he was fit. 
I knew where he was. 

743
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,320
I mean, I talked to Danny pretty
regularly and he's like, he's 

744
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,480
341 ready. 
I mean, that's, that's his body 

745
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,000
is ready to do that. 
And Danny doesn't exaggerate 

746
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,840
anything. 
Nothing. 

747
00:40:04,920 --> 00:40:07,760
He's, in fact, you know, he 
probably underplays things. 

748
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,680
And so I'm OK, cool. 
And Josh is feeding back how he 

749
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:14,160
feels. 
He's super healthy, everything's

750
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,160
right, He's sleeping right. 
Everything's just right on the 

751
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:22,360
money. 
And I kept feeling it's like 

752
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,320
there's going to be a bottleneck
and the bottleneck is going to 

753
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,320
be his head. 
It really is, because the work 

754
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,680
that went into it was 
extraordinary. 

755
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,360
I mean, he was the mad scientist
at home. 

756
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,160
He had whiteboards up. 
He had time splits. 

757
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,040
I mean, they were doing it. 
And that's the time to be 

758
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,960
cognitive. 
That's actually the time to do 

759
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,840
all the analysis and all the 
battle. 

760
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,240
And when he said it felt easy 
and I could see it in his body. 

761
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:53,920
I really know, you know, I, 
those are some of the tools I 

762
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,200
use. 
I'm I really pay attention to 

763
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,080
cues like non verbal, physical, 
you know, stance shoulders you, 

764
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,440
you probably know it too. 
You know, when somebody's at 

765
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,440
ease, when somebody's feeling 
strong and and you could see it.

766
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,600
He was at ease, right? 
It was easy. 

767
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,800
It was flowing through him, but 
that was a byproduct of all that

768
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,920
training and the issue with 
somebody like him that's so 

769
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,640
dedicated, so focused. 
I mean, numbers, time, boom, 

770
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,600
boom, boom, 'cause we can get 
stuck there, right? 

771
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:27,440
And then that, that, that dial 
gets wound way too tight. 

772
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,000
And that's not going to help 
performance, right? 

773
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,680
Sometimes we have to dial it 
back. 

774
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,600
And when he said that, he was in
an analytical right space, like 

775
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,560
it should feel hard. 
I know hard, hard is how we're 

776
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:42,880
good. 
You know, that whole mentality. 

777
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,720
And the thing was that the 
battle was over. 

778
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:49,080
He already won the war. 
He had done the work. 

779
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,000
It was in him. 
It was in every cell in his 

780
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,600
body. 
And so it was very easy for that

781
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,120
to come out. 
And I said, what if it were 

782
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,520
easy, Josh? 
What if it were easy? 

783
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,720
I said what you just did was 
fucking hard. 

784
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,080
I don't know if I can cuss on 
this podcast. 

785
00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,320
Yeah, go for it. 
It's like what you just did is 

786
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:11,400
fucking hard, Josh, but you did 
it with ease. 

787
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:16,680
And the, he's talked about this.
I actually, you know, said don't

788
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,440
chase the number at the 
beginning. 

789
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,440
You can't chase a number because
chasing is hard. 

790
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:25,160
Chasing feels like effort. 
And if you're in that mindset of

791
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,520
chasing, it's going to be really
hard to hit that number. 

792
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,480
What you need to do is focus on 
the process. 

793
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,320
So you need to, all you need to 
do is create the conditions for 

794
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,800
the environment so that that 
outcome that you want is 

795
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,880
inevitable. 
And so I said you did it. 

796
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,400
You created the conditions, the 
outcome's inevitable. 

797
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,800
This is just your last piece of 
proof. 

798
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,600
That's all you needed. 
You took, you know, McLaren 

799
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,000
builds a new race car and they 
take it on the track and they 

800
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,400
give it, you know, they let it 
run and see what happens. 

801
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,120
And, and he got the right 
feedback at that moment. 

802
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,200
He knew he was ready. 
And so I literally said it's 

803
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:01,720
time to put away the 
whiteboards. 

804
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,600
And what's funny is his aura 
ring fell off his his hand. 

805
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,640
In that moment, I said, see no 
more data, no more blood tests, 

806
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,520
no more. 
It's like the analysis is done. 

807
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:17,640
Your only job right now is to 
stay in your body, to know that 

808
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:23,440
you've won the war and 
surrender, surrender, that it's 

809
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,920
going to feel easy because you 
did the work. 

810
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,320
And you know, later I used the 
example of like I've ever seen 

811
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,960
Cirque du Soleil. 
Yeah. 

812
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,440
Yeah, and you, you watch these 
incredible athletes and 

813
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,920
performers make it look easy, 
like they're flying. 

814
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:41,520
It's fucking hard. 
They train so much, they make it

815
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,040
look easy. 
I says it's the same thing. 

816
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,560
You've trained to the point 
where your body is ready, your 

817
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,920
mind is ready. 
You have to surrender to that. 

818
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,160
You can't think. 
There's no more work to be done.

819
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:52,960
The battle is done. 
Put down the weapons, put down 

820
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:56,160
the shield and just flow into 
the race. 

821
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,560
It's already there, 222's on the
track. 

822
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,520
You just need to slip into 
that's that river and let it 

823
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,960
take you. 
And so literally, it was a form 

824
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,440
of surrender, not of effort. 
And that's different. 

825
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,280
That feels different in the 
body. 

826
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,480
He was ready for the effort, 
right? 

827
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,840
For the that tempo, that pace. 
But it was a surrendering to it,

828
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:23,480
not a fighting for it. 
What was that evening like for 

829
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,800
you to go home, tell your wife 
what you witnessed, and then at 

830
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,320
the same time be like I told him
it's gonna be easy? 

831
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,120
Well, you know, I work with my 
wife quite a bit and she's 

832
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,200
actually worked with the Brooks 
team with me. 

833
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,280
We do like workshops for him. 
We've had him dance and do some,

834
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,520
you know, interesting things. 
And so, you know, she was right 

835
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,160
on point with me that that, you 
know, she knew about all that 

836
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,280
and and she said that the 
fight's over. 

837
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,360
It's, you know, it's done. 
The work has been put in. 

838
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,280
He's just ready. 
He needs to do it. 

839
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,120
You know, I had been typing in 
even before he crossed the 

840
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,760
finish line. 
I had my phone out and she's in 

841
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,040
Albuquerque. 
I'm in London. 

842
00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,120
It's insane in the stadium, 
right? 

843
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,560
And I already, I already typed 
in. 

844
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:15,760
He did it right. 
And so when as he crossed the 

845
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:23,120
line and the world exploded, you
know, I just hit send and I got 

846
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:27,360
a voice memo from her a little 
while later and she's just 

847
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,600
bawling. 
She goes, I've watched it 14 

848
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,440
times already. 
He did it. 

849
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:37,000
I mean, it was just, it was, it 
felt so good just to witness 

850
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:40,080
that for him. 
It just felt so good, so proud 

851
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,160
of him. 
To share it with my wife was 

852
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,000
wonderful because she's been 
part of it. 

853
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,320
She's part of the story and 
she's been witness and worked 

854
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,680
with Josh and, you know, has a 
deep love for him. 

855
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,800
We have a very close 
relationship with Larimar and 

856
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:55,760
Josh. 
Josh, you know, personally, it 

857
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:00,480
could be our kids, you know, 59,
my wife's 53. 

858
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,600
And so we we have that kind of 
relationship. 

859
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:07,880
We love them like our kids. 
I want to talk about the 

860
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:11,880
notebook. 
Same blue pen, same sentence, 

861
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,280
dozens of pages and he's writing
down. 

862
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,880
I ran 342 at the London Diamond 
League, July 18th, 2026. 

863
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:22,440
So what is writing do for for 
the mind and and that practice? 

864
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,280
OK, so this is, you know, again,
not a secret weapon or anything.

865
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,520
People know journaling, people 
know things like manifesting and

866
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:34,000
so forth. 
There's a brain surgeon named 

867
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:39,720
James Dottie who was a professor
of medicine, neuroscientist at 

868
00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:43,360
Stanford University, and wrote a
book called The Neuroscience of 

869
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:48,640
Manifestation, and it has to do 
with our subconscious and region

870
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,440
of brain called the salience 
network. 

871
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:57,040
Our cognitive minds are black 
and white, good, bad, yes, no, 

872
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:58,680
right, wrong. 
Right. 

873
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,800
The part of our salience network
doesn't have those limitations, 

874
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,760
right? 
So whatever you can program into

875
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,880
it, this would be subconscious 
thought and we can actually link

876
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:14,720
it to our heart. 
Our body thinks fully, right? 

877
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:17,640
It's not just the brain. 
We have cells called neurites in

878
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:20,800
our heart. 
We have them in our gut. 

879
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:22,240
A lot of people know about 
neurons. 

880
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:23,720
We have 100 billion in our 
brain. 

881
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:27,080
We have 100 million in our gut. 
We have 60,000 in our heart, and

882
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:28,920
they're actually throughout our 
entire body. 

883
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,880
We think with our body. 
That's our intuition. 

884
00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:35,560
That's information coming in. 
We can program that. 

885
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,040
It's being programmed every day,
right? 

886
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,760
That's why negative thinking, 
self limitation is a, is a 

887
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:42,480
hiccup. 
It's an impediment because it's 

888
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:44,080
literally programmed into our 
body. 

889
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,320
SO1 tool that you can use. 
And he's talked about it. 

890
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,000
And I use white paper with a 
blue pen because it's been 

891
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,400
studied high contrast, right? 
Blue and white high contrast. 

892
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,240
Our brains like the colors and 
the color contrast. 

893
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,160
And it's a way that we can 
program the salience network. 

894
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:03,200
And the way that it works is, 
have you ever bought a new pair 

895
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,200
of shoes or a new car? 
You never thought about it, but 

896
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,560
all of a sudden, you see it 
everywhere. 

897
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:08,960
Yeah. 
Yeah. 

898
00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,080
OK. 
So that's that mechanism. 

899
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,120
So essentially what I was having
him do is program his 

900
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:17,960
subconscious for that number, 
right. 

901
00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:20,920
As a target, even though we 
weren't chasing that number, it 

902
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:23,240
needed to be in him somehow, 
right? 

903
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:26,640
That this is achievable. 
Roger Bannister did the same 

904
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,640
thing. 
He had written down 359, I 

905
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:33,200
believe is what he wrote down. 
And he would write it down. 

906
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:34,200
You know, he would write it 
down. 

907
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,040
He would, he would look for it. 
What happens is that that part 

908
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,280
of our brain that has no 
limitations now start seeing 

909
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,240
every way to get you there, 
every way to get you there. 

910
00:48:45,240 --> 00:48:48,400
And so James Dottie talks about 
that in his book Neuroscience. 

911
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,600
When we do that, that's the 
action of manifestation, 

912
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,400
creating something. 
And then there's something 

913
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,640
between thinking and then 
putting it down on paper that 

914
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,280
actually strengthens that. 
So for him to do that every day 

915
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,880
and write, it was just another 
little thing that he could do. 

916
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,720
It's a little plus one that was 
training his body. 

917
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:10,320
So when he went out on the track
and Danny said do this, his 

918
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,480
mind, even though he didn't know
it was actually saying 222, 

919
00:49:15,720 --> 00:49:19,080
342-340-2342, this is taking me 
there. 

920
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:22,240
So that actually reinforced and 
strengthened everything that he 

921
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:24,400
did. 
And it was just a way that he 

922
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,600
could train that part. 
And that's why we did that 

923
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,920
exercise. 
And you know, he's a good 

924
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:30,360
student. 
He follows through with his 

925
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,800
homework. 
He did it, he does it and I know

926
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,320
his body. 
You know, really fun story, I 

927
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,040
think is before Paris, before 
the Paris Olympics, we were 

928
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:44,120
doing some of our work and we 
were actually down in the Bosque

929
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,040
area, which is the river, the 
Rio Grande River. 

930
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,200
And so far it's beautiful area. 
We're sitting there and I had 

931
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,480
them do a visualization 
something, you know, a tool that

932
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:54,080
we use. 
And I had them run the final in 

933
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,080
Paris. 
And the way I have them do it, 

934
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,200
it's called guided imagery. 
So it's not just visualizing, 

935
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,040
it's actually trying to feel it 
with all your sensory body. 

936
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,520
And so I said, I want you to run
the race. 

937
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,520
I want you to start in the call 
room, right? 

938
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,280
So how are you going to regulate
in the call room? 

939
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:12,960
What's going to be your affect? 
How are you going to keep 

940
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,040
centered? 
Go rehearse it all. 

941
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,120
Rehearse it all. 
Walk to the line, notice the 

942
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,800
cameras, notice the crowd, you 
know, all the things that could 

943
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,400
disrupt you walking to the line.
And I want you to tap your 

944
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:27,840
finger when the gun goes off. 
And then I wanted you to tap 

945
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:29,680
your finger when you crossed the
line. 

946
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,400
He says OK. 
And so he goes in. 

947
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:35,000
We do a little breath work, we 
go in. 

948
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,240
At this point, he's pretty 
experienced meditator. 

949
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:42,440
He's able to get into that kind 
of centered state, Eyes closed, 

950
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:48,040
taps his finger. 
And I start the stopwatch, goes 

951
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,360
through the whole thing, taps 
his finger when he crosses the 

952
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:54,720
line, I stop it. 
And it was just curiosity on my 

953
00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:59,880
point. 
It was about 3:44. 

954
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:11,120
That's how entrained his body 
is, that's he is so aware that 

955
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:16,720
he was able to run the race 
literally really well in his 

956
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:21,520
mind. 
And we know from, from research 

957
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,960
and neuroscience that your brain
doesn't know the difference 

958
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,560
between what happens in here and
out here. 

959
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:29,840
It really does make a whole lot 
of distinction there. 

960
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,160
There are studies that show that
just imagining lifting a weight 

961
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:37,600
and you get stronger compared to
a group that's actually lifting 

962
00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:40,160
weights at about similar rates. 
And there are tons of studies 

963
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:43,120
that show it. 
So it's again, a way to train 

964
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:46,040
the mind. 
And, and he's really good at it.

965
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:47,360
He's really good at training his
mind. 

966
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:50,240
It's, that's part of the belief 
system too, because you believe 

967
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:52,960
it in all those cells in your 
body, right? 

968
00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,800
It's in you. 
It's already in there, the race 

969
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,720
is in there, and so that's a 
tool that we use. 

970
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:04,280
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971
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Happy running. 
You brought up Paris and one of 

994
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,280
the key things I think that took
place in Paris that he's talked 

995
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,720
about several times. 
And you know, when I got to chat

996
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:46,760
with him right after the silver 
medal, I think it was one of the

997
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,760
coolest things to to hear from 
him just days after that race 

998
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:55,800
was he went deaf very early on 
into the race. 

999
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:00,640
And it was arguably one of the 
best races that people were 

1000
00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:02,440
anticipating and looking forward
to. 

1001
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,000
And the crowds in Paris were 
awesome. 

1002
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:09,640
But how did you and him 
afterwards interpret what was 

1003
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,360
happening in the body and mind 
in that moment? 

1004
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,480
Because then it, I mean, we 
couldn't predict it, but it 

1005
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,320
happened again in London. 
Yeah, of course. 

1006
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:22,000
And So what you're describing, 
what he was describing is he's 

1007
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:27,000
actually accessing new levels of
flow of presents, right. 

1008
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:30,760
So there are things called flow 
triggers. 

1009
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:36,360
So meditation is a flow training
exercise, right? 

1010
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:43,840
What does flow require? 
Requires deep embodiment, deep 

1011
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,360
presence, right? 
Human beings are very 

1012
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:48,920
interesting. 
We can time travel. 

1013
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,360
We're the only time travelers in
nature. 

1014
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,360
Because your body, Chris, you 
could be sitting here, but you 

1015
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:57,680
could be thinking about what's 
for lunch, you know, in the 

1016
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,760
future or what happened 
yesterday, right? 

1017
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,880
So we can time travel. 
When you're in a performance 

1018
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:07,200
state, when you're actually 
doing something like racing, you

1019
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,440
can't time travel. 
And you know what that feels 

1020
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,080
like? 
You're in a race and you start 

1021
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,520
self referencing and you know, 
you start going whatever it 

1022
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,240
might be that's pulling you out 
of being present, even though 

1023
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:19,840
your body's still there and it's
running. 

1024
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:26,600
When his sensory organs start 
shutting down, meaning and all 

1025
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:28,360
they're doing is actually 
prioritizing. 

1026
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:33,720
So when he lost his hearing, all
that means to me is that he was 

1027
00:55:33,720 --> 00:55:37,480
super present in what he was 
doing, each strike, each 

1028
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:41,840
footfall, each breath, right? 
And so that's a great sign. 

1029
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,720
It just meant he was super in 
his body. 

1030
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,840
He really wasn't thinking. 
He wasn't worried about that 

1031
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,120
times or anything. 
He was fully focused and body 

1032
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,240
deep. 
Embodiment is required for flow.

1033
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:54,960
He was just at a higher level of
flow. 

1034
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,800
I think it's not something you 
you you said before describing. 

1035
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,760
Chasing a feeling is not 
necessarily what you want to end

1036
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:06,960
up doing. 
So when it took place or I guess

1037
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:11,000
in the lead up to the mile world
record you he knows that he 

1038
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,800
achieved that flow state in 
arguably the biggest race before

1039
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:19,560
this of his career. 
He's not chasing the execution 

1040
00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:23,200
of going deaf like going deaf 
and, and, and that flow state. 

1041
00:56:23,840 --> 00:56:27,640
So does it just has? 
Is that just that he trained 

1042
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:31,160
himself to once again activate 
or how did it happen again is 

1043
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,320
the question. 
Yeah, it's so it's his nervous 

1044
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,040
system. 
It's his nervous system is 

1045
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:39,640
trained in trained. 
So it it it's easier to go into 

1046
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,520
those deeper states of flow, 
deeper states of presence. 

1047
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,400
And it was very and even in the 
mile he unlocked another level 

1048
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,200
of it. 
He he told me and I think he 

1049
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,240
said that out loud is like, I 
hadn't it felt like an out of 

1050
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:58,160
body experience where he was the
narrator, like he felt like he 

1051
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:02,520
was here on his shoulder 
observing what he was doing 

1052
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,360
right. 
And people have talked about 

1053
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,000
that, You know, it was like an 
out of body experience. 

1054
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,560
What it really is is a full 
embodied experience. 

1055
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:13,200
He was in, he had an out of mind
experience. 

1056
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:15,520
He was not in his mind. 
He was fully in his body. 

1057
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,880
His mind and his body were 
integrated fully because he did 

1058
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,200
have some narration that was 
going on. 

1059
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,400
You know, things like, gosh, 
this feels so easy, right? 

1060
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,200
Oh, I'm with the lights, you 
know, but but these thoughts 

1061
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,160
never got sticky. 
They were never a parking brake.

1062
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:36,080
They would just flow through 
him. 

1063
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:40,920
He observed them as information 
and integrated him. 

1064
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:45,000
Does that make sense? 
Right, Because we stutter like 

1065
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,200
we, it's like a little hiccup 
when we get sticky on a thought 

1066
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:52,400
and we start processing it. 
And that's something we work on,

1067
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,560
inviting everything and inviting
it in, inviting even the hard 

1068
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:57,840
thoughts, even the negative 
thoughts, right? 

1069
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,640
Even the good thoughts that we 
invite him in and let him flow 

1070
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,160
through, let him flow through so
that we never get stuck. 

1071
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:09,560
And that really helps without or
with not limiting what's 

1072
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,400
happening in the moment, right? 
Not parking brake, parking 

1073
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,600
brake. 
And so he, the way he described 

1074
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,840
it, you know, he was kind of on 
his shoulder, he was observing 

1075
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,680
what was happening. 
He knew what was happening, but 

1076
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,800
he never got stuck on it because
he was in the full effort. 

1077
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:27,800
Present moment effort is what I 
call it. 

1078
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:32,000
You have to be in present moment
effort and it feels effortless 

1079
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,160
because thinking is very slow. 
It really is, though. 

1080
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,760
Our thoughts are lightning fast.
It's slow. 

1081
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:42,200
So when you're in flow, thought 
and action become one. 

1082
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,480
And it's based on work, like 
James Dottie said. 

1083
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,200
It's not, it doesn't, it isn't a
magical thing that happens. 

1084
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,520
It's actually based on your 
training, your effort, your work

1085
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:55,800
to get and access that place. 
And you know, other flow 

1086
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,440
triggers include like high 
consequences, you know, they're 

1087
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,000
high consequences. 
People like talking about how he

1088
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,280
announced this, he called it, he
called the shot, he created 

1089
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:08,320
incredibly high consequences. 
That's actually a lever to push 

1090
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,960
you into flow, right? 
So it was actually skillful. 

1091
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,040
It was very vulnerable, and it 
was very brave to do that. 

1092
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:19,000
But for someone like Josh, he 
can alchemize pressure. 

1093
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:23,760
He likes it, he eats it up. 
He wants the pressure right 

1094
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:27,320
because it raises his level of 
performance. 

1095
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:31,120
Even though he finished that 
race solo, which is another, 

1096
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:33,240
another could be an impediment 
to somebody. 

1097
00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:35,320
I've heard you talk about it. 
You know, it's rough. 

1098
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:38,480
Are you running your fastest 
when it's just you, you know, do

1099
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:40,840
we need someone chasing us right
on our shoulder? 

1100
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,320
In this case, he didn't need 
that. 

1101
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:46,480
He was running the race for 
himself. 

1102
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:50,000
He was running it purely in his 
body. 

1103
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:53,640
And coming up to the race that 
whole week in London, that's 

1104
00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:57,520
really all we practiced. 
There was a lot of, you know, 

1105
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:00,520
talking. 
It was more presence, it was 

1106
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,480
rendering. 
He mentioned putting the 

1107
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,800
whiteboards away two weeks out 
and, and, and all that kind of 

1108
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:09,360
stuff. 
Race day, we've arrived. 

1109
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,160
You know, it took us a while, 
but we've gotten to race day 

1110
01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:17,240
now. 
And Danny and I think Josh has 

1111
01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:21,600
to him like shut the cage door 
for him before that. 

1112
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:23,000
I guess. 
What's your final touch point 

1113
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:26,120
with Josh that morning? 
On the warm. 

1114
01:00:26,120 --> 01:00:27,320
Up track like what? 
What? 

1115
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:30,200
What was the last thing that 
that you 2 discussed? 

1116
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:34,840
OK, that's a great question. 
Yeah. 

1117
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:40,040
So we would have a morning 
session that week, and we went 

1118
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:42,480
to this park, I think Queen 
Elizabeth Park, right around the

1119
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:43,760
corner from where he was 
staying. 

1120
01:00:45,120 --> 01:00:48,120
There's this nice little Knoll, 
grassy and so forth. 

1121
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:53,280
And, you know, have him kick off
his shoes, groundings, real Reed

1122
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:59,240
Stanford's work on it. 
So feet on the ground, breath 

1123
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:03,800
embodiment. 
Really the last conversation was

1124
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,800
just stay in your body, stay out
of your head. 

1125
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:09,640
That was it. 
That was it. 

1126
01:01:10,120 --> 01:01:11,920
That was it, because his body 
was ready. 

1127
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,520
His body was there and the only 
bottleneck, the only thing that 

1128
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,160
would stop him is if his head 
got in the way and he said it. 

1129
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:19,640
I just needed to get out of my 
own way. 

1130
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:21,880
And this is really typical for 
most athletes. 

1131
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:26,760
Our most achievers of any type 
is we get in our own way, we 

1132
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:31,120
overthink, we don't trust. 
It requires a deep sense of 

1133
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:33,720
trust. 
So being embodied, being present

1134
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:36,800
is just trust yourself, trust 
the work you've put in, trust 

1135
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:41,160
your coaches, trust your team. 
Just trust. 

1136
01:01:42,560 --> 01:01:47,080
You're sitting in the stands 
watching when he's being 

1137
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:50,520
introduced. 
I enjoyed the fact that, like, 

1138
01:01:50,600 --> 01:01:53,760
he cracked a smile before the 
start of the race. 

1139
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,520
What did you what? 
What did you notice, I guess, of

1140
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,400
how he was walking out onto the 
track or carrying himself on the

1141
01:01:59,400 --> 01:02:01,200
starting line? 
He was relaxed. 

1142
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:03,840
He was in his body. 
I mean, I knew he was 

1143
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,560
practicing. 
He was doing it, He was 

1144
01:02:05,560 --> 01:02:08,920
practicing, he was practicing. 
And so I knew. 

1145
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:14,320
I knew he had it. 
You know what I knew is as they 

1146
01:02:14,320 --> 01:02:17,720
took off from the line, 'cause 
I, I did work with Brandon 

1147
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,720
Kidder was worth talking about. 
I do work with him directly as a

1148
01:02:21,720 --> 01:02:26,160
teammate, Brooks athlete. 
We worked very specifically for 

1149
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,880
this particular event, but also 
for for Brandon. 

1150
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,480
He had an amazing race last 
week. 

1151
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,240
That finish was awesome. 
He unlocked another level and 

1152
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,600
his career as a, as an 11 year 
veteran, I mean, he's unlocking 

1153
01:02:38,600 --> 01:02:41,800
new levels as well. 
And I worked with Zan, I, I only

1154
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,760
met him just a few days before 
and we did do some work 

1155
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,560
together. 
And, and what I call this is 

1156
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:50,240
linking their nervous systems 
because their, their goal was to

1157
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:53,600
be in Group flow because they 
were working as a team. 

1158
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,280
And I knew he had it when they 
took off the line. 

1159
01:02:56,840 --> 01:03:03,200
And the image I got in my head 
was you ever watch jets in 

1160
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:06,920
formation like come together and
lock? 

1161
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:11,720
They locked and I knew it. 
They were just in perfect sync. 

1162
01:03:11,720 --> 01:03:14,800
And watching Brandon, I mean, 
that's where most of my 

1163
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,800
attention was for those first 
two laps for that 800 was on 

1164
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:21,760
Brandon, his body position, his 
running, he was relaxed. 

1165
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:24,520
He was super focused. 
I, I knew where his mind was, 

1166
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,440
his mindset, he was running that
for Josh. 

1167
01:03:27,560 --> 01:03:30,280
That's how he showed up. 
That was one of his motivational

1168
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:33,080
anchors and mindsets is like, 
I'm doing this for him. 

1169
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,080
He trusted me. 
He's counting on me. 

1170
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:39,360
I'm showing up for him and I'm 
doing it for him and I'm going 

1171
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:41,440
to give him my best. 
And that's something Josh does 

1172
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,600
with the people around him. 
He raises the bar. 

1173
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:47,080
Everybody wants to raise their 
bar with him, me included, 

1174
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,280
right? 
He comes with such an ethics, 

1175
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:55,360
such a work ethic that you want 
to meet him there, that you 

1176
01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:56,960
can't give him a less than your 
best. 

1177
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:00,600
And I saw it and I saw Brandon 
and I was right sitting right 

1178
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,040
where he peeled off. 
And we talked. 

1179
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:05,720
We worked on that. 
Like when you peel off, there 

1180
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,320
has to be 0 turbulence because 
what you're doing is just 

1181
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:12,400
opening right. 
You're opening the space for 

1182
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,960
him. 
Wherever you peel off, it just 

1183
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:17,880
needs to be super smooth. 
And he just peeled off super 

1184
01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:22,080
smooth, just very quiet. 
And even Josh described it. 

1185
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,440
Oh, he's peeling off perfect. 
You know, it was just perfect. 

1186
01:04:25,440 --> 01:04:27,840
It was just right. 
Whatever it was, it was just 

1187
01:04:27,840 --> 01:04:30,040
right. 
And so I knew he had it in that 

1188
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:32,080
moment and I saw it, you know, 
he's relaxed. 

1189
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:35,720
Brandon was relaxed. 
You know, Zan's a, you know, 

1190
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:37,640
he's a journeyman man. 
He knows how to work. 

1191
01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:39,440
He's got that Eastern European 
like fucking. 

1192
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:41,760
I'm out there plowing the field 
and pulling the potatoes. 

1193
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,360
He was, I, I knew he was going 
to do his job. 

1194
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:50,160
And it just was clicking. 
Everything was clicking. 

1195
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,720
And you could just see it. 
And it was in their demeanor 

1196
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:54,560
there. 
You know, that smile just meant 

1197
01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:56,760
ease. 
And it's confidence. 

1198
01:04:57,040 --> 01:04:59,760
There's a difference between 
arrogance and confidence. 

1199
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,040
We have to own our confidence, 
right? 

1200
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:06,960
And he earned it. 
And so he felt confident. 

1201
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,200
He knew he was ready and I could
see it. 

1202
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:11,360
You could see it. 
I think the crowd can see it. 

1203
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:15,280
And you know, he used that too. 
The crowd was amazing. 

1204
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,880
What an amazing crowd. 
They were there for him. 

1205
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,240
And he said it. 
I, I would, he would actually, 

1206
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:23,680
this is the level of flow he 
achieved is that he was 

1207
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:27,760
controlling it because he said I
would just open up my hearing a 

1208
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:31,960
little bit to hear the crowd and
then just take that in and it 

1209
01:05:31,960 --> 01:05:37,560
would give him fuel. 
When Zan peels off is obviously 

1210
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:41,880
when the pundits never been 
watching anticipates this to get

1211
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:48,760
harder for Josh and it's will he
hold it together enough to and 

1212
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:52,360
you know, not not just catch the
lights stay ahead of them and 

1213
01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:56,160
Josh just crushed it. 
What's happening, I guess in 

1214
01:05:56,160 --> 01:05:59,880
your debrief with him internally
once you know Zan and Brandon 

1215
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:04,560
have have have peeled off? 
Yeah, he just got slingshotted, 

1216
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,560
you know, and that was something
that that we talked about in 

1217
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,760
rehearsing that these guys are 
breaking wind for you to open a 

1218
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:13,520
space and all you have to do is 
drop into it. 

1219
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,640
And I saw he did it. 
He just flowed through it, 

1220
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:19,760
right? 
And it was, it was a Herculean 

1221
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:22,560
effort. 
He was at ease. 

1222
01:06:22,560 --> 01:06:25,160
He did something very difficult 
with ease. 

1223
01:06:25,400 --> 01:06:27,440
Does that make sense? 
You know, it's, it's, it was 

1224
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:29,840
like a duality, but duality is 
just part of life. 

1225
01:06:29,840 --> 01:06:31,520
That those two things could 
exist. 

1226
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:33,880
That pace was fucking 
blistering, right? 

1227
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,800
And you know, you're a runner, 
you know, it feels like you're 

1228
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,800
on the edge of exploding. 
But his relationship to that 

1229
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:45,320
tempo was so intimate that it 
was comfortable that he knew it.

1230
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,080
He was OK. 
It's like the cold plunge. 

1231
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:50,480
I'm comfortable. 
It's a it's a kind of imagery I 

1232
01:06:50,480 --> 01:06:52,200
use. 
It's like you have to invite the

1233
01:06:52,200 --> 01:06:56,080
pain in like your lover, like 
your muse. 

1234
01:06:56,080 --> 01:07:00,000
And when she's there and you're 
intimate, you're holding her. 

1235
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:04,200
You're so happy because you know
you're doing it right, Right. 

1236
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:07,520
And there is this ease and he 
just kept flowing into it. 

1237
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,840
He kept leaning into it and he 
kept surrendering to the pace. 

1238
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,000
He just kept letting it come, 
letting it come moment by 

1239
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:15,600
moment. 
There was never a hiccup. 

1240
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:18,680
And I saw it. 
He just like it was like he was 

1241
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,800
getting pulled down the river. 
No effort. 

1242
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:25,320
It looked it felt effortless to 
him, even though he was at a 

1243
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,480
high level of output and effort 
physiologically. 

1244
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,280
The alarm bells were quiet. 
Like, we're not gonna die. 

1245
01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,480
Everything's OK. 
Like the systems are on. 

1246
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:38,440
And you could see it. 
You could see it in his 

1247
01:07:38,440 --> 01:07:40,120
physicality. 
You could see it as he came 

1248
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:42,120
down. 
That, that, you know, the home 

1249
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,840
stretch, that smile. 
He was flying. 

1250
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:49,640
Yeah. 
He's running 16 plus miles an 

1251
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:53,280
hour. 
Is incredible, unbelievable. 

1252
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:58,840
So he does this, achieves it and
you know, the whole world 

1253
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:03,720
explodes with just joy and 
exultation because it was 

1254
01:08:03,720 --> 01:08:08,000
remarkable, something that so 
many people have gone after for 

1255
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:12,560
the last, you know, 20 plus 
years and it finally happened. 

1256
01:08:13,120 --> 01:08:19,120
What is important about handling
the come down from something 

1257
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:22,439
like this 'cause he does have, 
then he goes out and you know, 

1258
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,800
achieves gold at the 
Commonwealth Games. 

1259
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:27,880
There's still a little bit of a 
season left ahead. 

1260
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:33,800
But what what's important about 
I guess managing this was all 

1261
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:37,319
all he was all in on on this and
it was a lot. 

1262
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,640
And so not to get greedy with 
fitness and that kind of thing. 

1263
01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,479
Like what? 
What's important about these 

1264
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:49,359
weeks that have got by since? 
OK, getting back to his process,

1265
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:52,840
right, So there, there are a 
couple elements here, right? 

1266
01:08:53,240 --> 01:08:54,920
And it was something we talked 
about. 

1267
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,279
I said if this happens, your 
life is going to change. 

1268
01:08:57,279 --> 01:08:58,640
Things are going to be very 
different. 

1269
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:00,359
You are not going to be the 
same. 

1270
01:09:00,359 --> 01:09:04,720
Things will be different from 
one, just the effort of the 

1271
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,000
actual event itself and so 
forth. 

1272
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:10,600
But the byproduct of it, you 
know, he, I think he did 11 

1273
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:14,080
hours of press the next day. 
I said that's going to be super 

1274
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,880
disruptive because that's hard 
for him, even though he's really

1275
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,399
good in front of the camera and 
it's kind of fun and so forth. 

1276
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:23,760
I said you have to be ready and 
you have to keep using your same

1277
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,160
practices, staying grounded, 
staying present. 

1278
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:30,520
Don't don't let it overwhelm 
your cognitive plate because you

1279
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:32,840
do have a season in your, you 
know, Commonwealth was very 

1280
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,720
important to him, but you know, 
you weren't thinking about that.

1281
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,399
You can't think about that. 
That's time traveling, right? 

1282
01:09:40,279 --> 01:09:41,560
You don't want to be thinking 
about that. 

1283
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,000
So I said, just stay present and
enjoy it. 

1284
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:49,240
Enjoy what you earned. 
Enjoy that moment and have fun. 

1285
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,640
You earn the fun part of it. 
Because for a lot of people that

1286
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:56,240
that are seeking big, big 
things, big goals, and they 

1287
01:09:56,240 --> 01:09:58,520
achieve them. 
Often there's a deflating moment

1288
01:09:58,520 --> 01:10:01,440
like, oh, I got it now what? 
Right. 

1289
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,080
And then they never give 
themselves the opportunity to 

1290
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:08,200
enjoy that process, right? 
And so for him, it was like, 

1291
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:13,040
enjoy it, like have fun with it,
really take it all in, like 

1292
01:10:13,080 --> 01:10:16,480
integrate that into your system 
because that's you're different 

1293
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:17,840
now. 
There's something you're going 

1294
01:10:17,840 --> 01:10:20,680
to be looked at differently, but
you are fundamentally have have 

1295
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:23,880
changed, right. 
And so that was an important 

1296
01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,720
part of it. 
And he wrote me and we saw each 

1297
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:28,760
other that night. 
We had dinner as a team. 

1298
01:10:30,440 --> 01:10:32,240
There's a Brooks event and then 
dinner as a team. 

1299
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:35,040
Oh, that was funny too. 
At the Brooks event, you know, I

1300
01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:37,440
I saw him on the sideline, you 
know, I just touched him really 

1301
01:10:37,440 --> 01:10:40,960
quick and gave him a hug. 
First time I saw him and he came

1302
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,840
walking right up to me and I'm 
like, how'd it feel? 

1303
01:10:44,120 --> 01:10:48,760
He's like easy. 
The high fived he when I got 

1304
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:55,160
pulled away immediately. 
But but I got lost on my train 

1305
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:56,440
of thought where I wanted to 
take this. 

1306
01:10:56,440 --> 01:10:58,960
But yeah, the key was to be 
present. 

1307
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:03,840
And as he was leaving London, he
wrote me and he goes, I'm, I'm 

1308
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:08,320
having landing's a little hard 
right now because you're high. 

1309
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:11,120
It's he's in a fairy tale 
basically at this point, right? 

1310
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:14,400
You know, one that he wrote, you
know, he's the protagonist. 

1311
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:18,280
He wrote the story through his 
effort, through his work, right.

1312
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:20,200
And, and here it is the happy 
ending. 

1313
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:23,920
And so it's, it is hard there. 
It's it's this otherworldly 

1314
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:26,200
feeling, right, almost that you 
can have. 

1315
01:11:26,200 --> 01:11:29,440
And so, but he said, I'm doing 
our grounding exercises every 

1316
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:31,760
morning. 
And I said that's all I needed 

1317
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:33,640
to know. 
You're just back to the work, 

1318
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,680
you're back to it. 
So the key was to move back into

1319
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:39,960
the same process because he had 
Commonwealth coming up, which 

1320
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:43,120
was very important too. 
It was beautiful because he ran 

1321
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:44,960
that race in the same way. 
And I said, just keep the 

1322
01:11:44,960 --> 01:11:49,040
momentum, keep the momentum, 
keep riding the wave, right? 

1323
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:51,360
Stay on the wave, stay on the 
wave. 

1324
01:11:51,440 --> 01:11:54,320
And you know how to do that 
Grounding, centering, presence. 

1325
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:59,560
And, you know, I knew he did it 
as I watched the Commonwealth 

1326
01:11:59,560 --> 01:12:03,280
Games, the ease, there was a new
level of kind of ease and sense 

1327
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:05,560
of confidence. 
He was riding, his training, his

1328
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:07,080
fitness. 
And I said, just keep carrying 

1329
01:12:07,080 --> 01:12:09,000
it through. 
And, you know, he came home. 

1330
01:12:09,000 --> 01:12:11,280
He was a little under the 
weather for a week, which makes 

1331
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:13,000
perfect sense. 
He's been traveling all the 

1332
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,280
intensity. 
You know, it has an effect on 

1333
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,880
your Physiology. 
His body wanted him to relax. 

1334
01:12:17,880 --> 01:12:21,000
He relaxed for a little bit. 
And he's back to training the 

1335
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:23,160
other day before yesterday and 
he's back at it. 

1336
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:26,240
You know, I'll see him tomorrow.
He's just back to the rhythm of 

1337
01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:27,840
the routine. 
It's the consistency. 

1338
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:31,640
Process leads to outcome and 
he's very good at process. 

1339
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:35,160
That's what he does year round. 
You know, he maintains his 

1340
01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:37,440
racing weight real close to it 
all the time. 

1341
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:39,560
He doesn't have any massive 
changes or anything. 

1342
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:43,400
His sleep routine's the same. 
You know, everything. 

1343
01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:47,280
Consistency, our our brains and 
bodies, like predictability, 

1344
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:49,160
right? 
There's enough uncertainty in 

1345
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:52,160
the world and that's friction. 
So, you know, getting back to 

1346
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:53,760
the routine, that was the way to
handle it. 

1347
01:12:54,440 --> 01:12:58,040
Even with the new stuff, just 
being open to it, right? 

1348
01:12:58,040 --> 01:13:01,320
Being open to it, letting it 
flow through him, engaging it as

1349
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:05,880
it came, enjoying it, It was 
pretty fun. 

1350
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,880
No, it was fun to watch, you 
know, all the content that came 

1351
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:15,680
out of it and you know, every 
interview that he's done since 

1352
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:18,320
to recount it. 
So I feel like even after this 

1353
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:22,280
conversation, I think what did I
say before that maybe 50% less 

1354
01:13:22,280 --> 01:13:24,760
than that has been told and is 
out there. 

1355
01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:30,240
Maybe we hit 51% after all of 
this and there's still tons out 

1356
01:13:30,240 --> 01:13:32,120
there. 
So kind of want to close it out 

1357
01:13:32,120 --> 01:13:38,680
because you know, what Josh did 
is certainly like, even there's 

1358
01:13:38,720 --> 01:13:43,840
pro athletes who wouldn't go to 
the level that he did, you know,

1359
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,080
of commitment toward this one 
goal. 

1360
01:13:46,240 --> 01:13:49,560
And that's fine. 
Like a lot of people are happy 

1361
01:13:49,560 --> 01:13:52,080
just, you know, being where 
they're at and seeing what they 

1362
01:13:52,080 --> 01:13:53,480
can do. 
But Josh levelled it up. 

1363
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:59,160
Now for the common folks like 
say myself or many of the people

1364
01:13:59,160 --> 01:14:01,400
who are listening to this, 
they're not out there chasing a 

1365
01:14:01,400 --> 01:14:06,040
world record, but they might be 
getting ready for a 5K or A10K 

1366
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:07,800
this weekend or Saturday 
morning. 

1367
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:12,440
What is something from this, all
the work that you've done with 

1368
01:14:12,440 --> 01:14:16,720
Josh that they could steal for 
their own sort of practice? 

1369
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:18,640
Yeah, that and I love that 
question. 

1370
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:21,120
Thank you for asking that 
because I think that's very 

1371
01:14:21,120 --> 01:14:22,920
important. 
We're talking about this, you 

1372
01:14:22,920 --> 01:14:26,760
know, kind of otherworldly world
class event and so forth. 

1373
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,480
But how does that show up for 
the rest of us that maybe 

1374
01:14:29,480 --> 01:14:32,280
aren't, you know, that 
dedicated, we have jobs, 

1375
01:14:32,280 --> 01:14:34,760
families, all those things. 
But but running's important to 

1376
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:35,800
me. 
For example, it's, you know, 

1377
01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:40,960
it's something I love to do. 
Curiosity, be curious, what are 

1378
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:43,840
you capable of within the 
constraints of your training? 

1379
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:46,400
Can I do this to my best 
ability? 

1380
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:50,160
Can I really invest in that 
without limitation? 

1381
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:56,600
You know, showing up, doing my 
best and just being curious, 

1382
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,880
what am I able to do today? 
What could I do? 

1383
01:14:58,880 --> 01:15:01,520
And then, you know, picking up 
practices like breath 

1384
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:04,080
regulation. 
So that's the first one is, is 

1385
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,880
get intimate with your mind. 
You know, meditation begins 

1386
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,600
with, you know, focusing our 
attention on sensory experience.

1387
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:13,560
But the advanced practice is now
I notice my thoughts, my 

1388
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:17,640
emotions and my feelings and I 
start getting to know myself and

1389
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:21,400
how I think and how I work, 
noticing when I'm holding myself

1390
01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:25,560
back, noticing when I'm 
excelling, you know, and playing

1391
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:28,080
with that a little bit. 
So I, I think everyone should 

1392
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:32,080
have some type of contemplative 
practice, you know, learn to 

1393
01:15:32,080 --> 01:15:35,480
breathe, right, learn to pay 
attention to your body less 

1394
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:39,960
thinking more on present effort.
Like whether you're training or 

1395
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:42,760
you're competing, that's 
something we can all do and just

1396
01:15:42,760 --> 01:15:45,920
doing our best and not being so 
hard on ourselves sometimes, you

1397
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:49,120
know, like I didn't do enough, I
wasn't, you know, etcetera, 

1398
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:51,320
etcetera, etcetera. 
The critic that we live with in 

1399
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:54,960
our head, I think that's one of 
the best things that we can do. 

1400
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,640
Be curious if you really love 
running and you want to just do 

1401
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,160
well in your 5 case, like be 
curious, what can I do today? 

1402
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:01,840
Could I, you know, increase my 
tempo? 

1403
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:04,440
Could I, you know, do recover a 
little bit better? 

1404
01:16:04,440 --> 01:16:07,520
You know, could I learn, you 
know, a little bit from podcasts

1405
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,200
like this and, you know, take 
these little Nuggets and, and 

1406
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:12,520
apply them to my life. 
So bringing some more curiosity 

1407
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:16,120
into your training, into your 
racing, having some fun with it.

1408
01:16:16,480 --> 01:16:19,880
I think that's important. 
Well, I'm so glad we got to to 

1409
01:16:19,880 --> 01:16:22,960
connect because you know, you've
been behind the scenes for so 

1410
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,560
long as one of Josh's secret 
weapons. 

1411
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:29,280
And I'll be sure to share with 
folks in the show notes how they

1412
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:31,520
could get in touch with you if 
they, you know, want to reach 

1413
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,440
out or more. 
But you're not taking on any 

1414
01:16:34,440 --> 01:16:37,840
other elite 1500 meter runners 
as as clients. 

1415
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,200
Yeah, I have a special 
relationship with Josh for that.

1416
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,560
But you know, anybody else 
that's that's out there and 

1417
01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:46,960
interested and, you know, I like
working with organizations, 

1418
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:52,080
teams, you know, on these themes
and happy to talk to anyone. 

1419
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:55,480
Actually, my world kind of blew 
up after the the race. 

1420
01:16:55,480 --> 01:17:00,160
I've been getting a lot of DMS 
and and requests, which is fun. 

1421
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:04,080
And even for Josh, he wants 
people to to explore this 

1422
01:17:04,080 --> 01:17:05,360
aspect. 
You know, your, your 

1423
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,880
psychological states really 
matter. 

1424
01:17:10,120 --> 01:17:12,080
It's something to work with. 
It's, you know, our mental 

1425
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:15,400
health is as important as our 
physical health and it's 

1426
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:18,000
something we can develop, it's 
something that we can practice 

1427
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:21,240
and something we can strengthen 
and sports a great environment 

1428
01:17:21,240 --> 01:17:23,480
to do that in because we 
challenge ourselves. 

1429
01:17:23,480 --> 01:17:26,640
We kind of find our edges. 
And so that's available to all 

1430
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,680
of us in our personal journey, 
right, our hero's journey. 

1431
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:34,880
Well, thanks again for for the 
time and excited to see what 

1432
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,760
else is in store for for Josh 
and the beast the rest of me 

1433
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:38,760
too. 
Yeah. 

1434
01:17:40,840 --> 01:17:42,520
All right, that's a wrap on 
today's episode. 

1435
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,520
Thanks for listening, for the 
time, the curiosity, and for 

1436
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,240
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routine or your run. 

1437
01:17:48,720 --> 01:17:51,600
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Jasmine Fair and to everyone 

1438
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:54,120
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1439
01:17:54,120 --> 01:17:56,080
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1440
01:17:56,080 --> 01:17:58,960
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1441
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:02,160
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1442
01:18:02,280 --> 01:18:05,400
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1443
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,760
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1444
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:09,280
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1445
01:18:09,480 --> 01:18:10,480
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