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I'm Kyle Merber. 34 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,120 And this week in track and field, we're recapping the 35 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:13,280 Prefontaine Classic, which went down and had a lot of surprising 36 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:15,640 results all throughout the weekend. 37 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,520 Both Friday and Saturday were lots of fun to to watch. 38 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,360 I think was it Friday night it overlapped with a bit of the the 39 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:31,760 World Cup and so and then on Saturday it was positioned 40 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:34,000 nicely between two games for a bit. 41 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,120 I'll I'll tell you, I think a couple weeks ago when we were 42 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:39,080 just sort of like just kind of brush. 43 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:44,000 We were coming off to the Knicks high and just oh, kind of cool 44 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:47,160 that the World Cups in the United States all in now the 45 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:52,320 games have been so much fun to watch, even though neither Kyle 46 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:57,600 nor I had a dog in the fight last night pre that England 47 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,640 Mexico game was thrilling. I mean, it was just so intense 48 00:03:01,640 --> 00:03:06,680 and so I don't know, they like Mexico just would not relent. 49 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,480 And the coverage in the lead up was also really funny to watch 50 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:15,440 because of the altitude factor and everyone making a big deal 51 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,520 about this game being played at 7000 feet. 52 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:20,880 But it ended up being England prevailing. 53 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,440 And you've got a smile on your face, Preet, so you must be 54 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,960 pretty happy. Yeah, pretty happy. 55 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,760 I mean, it was a bit of a weird one, obviously, because I did 56 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,400 not stay up or get up early in the middle of the night because 57 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,600 it was 1:00 AM. Start here to watch it. 58 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,400 And if you got him at 1:00 AM, you'd have been annoyed because 59 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:41,240 it only started at 2:00 AM. So it was a bit, but it was one 60 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:46,160 of those things, right, where every World Cup there is a 61 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,880 generational moment for like young kids. 62 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,640 If you are, you know, at me as a kid, I remember, you know, David 63 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,080 Beckham getting sent off, Wayne Rooney getting sent off and 64 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:02,120 these kind of iconic moments, which kind of then ended 65 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,480 England's World Cup challenges in the past. 66 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:11,600 And, you know, I think that game from last night is probably one 67 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:15,280 of those moments where I imagine people, when they grow up, will 68 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:18,920 be asked by their kids, did you stay up to watch that game? 69 00:04:19,079 --> 00:04:22,800 Did you did you see it live? Like I think there will be it's, 70 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,680 it was, it was a special game. It was one of those sporting 71 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:27,160 events that lived up to the hype. 72 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:29,760 And that's what we love about sport, right Then It brings 73 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,800 people together. And when you're all watching it 74 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,600 together, there is just that emotional is with like the 75 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,000 advent of streaming and on demand and everything. 76 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,920 Like you don't get that with regular TV and TV shows anymore, 77 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:47,920 which you kind of used to get. And now it is sport that only 78 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:49,600 that really kind of manages to achieve that. 79 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,840 And that's why we love track and field and we love talking about 80 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:56,560 that sport. But yeah, soccer obviously in, 81 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:03,320 in the UK has that real impact. And you know, yeah. 82 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,720 And I, I got up this morning and managed to watch the full game 83 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:11,000 before I started work, which was, and I'm really glad I chose 84 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,360 to make that decision instead of just watching the highlights 85 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,000 because it was a phenomenal game to watch from start to finish. 86 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,840 And yeah, no, here we are. And the funniest thing was at 87 00:05:20,840 --> 00:05:25,400 about 9:15, AMI got a notification from Wizard, which 88 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:29,480 is like a European airline telling me England won. 89 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:31,480 How do you celebrate by buying a flight? 90 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:36,680 And I was like, if I had found out by receiving a notification 91 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,920 from an airline, I would not have been impressed. 92 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:41,960 So I'm very glad that I'd finished watching the match by 93 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,720 that point. But how are people doing at work 94 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,920 today? Like, you know, if the game ends 95 00:05:47,280 --> 00:05:49,240 just a couple hours before people are supposed to go into 96 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:50,680 the office? Like I feel like it's the most 97 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:53,360 unproductive day in like UK history. 98 00:05:53,840 --> 00:05:56,960 I think a lot of people working from home from from what I've 99 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,920 seen, but obviously like, yeah, I think a lot of people did what 100 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:02,920 I did and got up in the morning and watched it. 101 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:08,640 And my boss was in the office. So, you know, he's he's hard at 102 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:09,840 work. But then he's Scottish, so maybe 103 00:06:09,840 --> 00:06:16,040 he didn't care so much. But you know, like, yeah, it is. 104 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,120 It is one of those things where pubs were open till 5:00 AM 105 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:22,080 here, which is again, like they made special dispensation for 106 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,360 that. And yeah, I'm sure there were 107 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,080 plenty of people watching it live as well. 108 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,120 But yeah, tough day in the office. 109 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,960 So pre if you could have England win the World Cup, or Keely and 110 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,880 Josh both break world records at the London Diamond League, which 111 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:39,560 would you take? Sorry, it's got to be England 112 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,280 winning the World Cup because that all. 113 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:42,520 Right. Sorry. 114 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,400 Sorry, are you going to fire me for the podcast now there? 115 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,080 Are like a few more world records in for TGB? 116 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,480 No, I mean, I think, I think the the point is that, you know, 117 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,920 winning that World Cup, like it's been 40 years since England 118 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:00,240 have won a World Cup. It's like the whole next thing. 119 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:04,960 I think it is one of those moments that would, you know, it 120 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:08,720 would it would just be a a memory of a, you know, it has a 121 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,200 once in a lifetime kind of thing. 122 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:15,280 Like, yes, as a track fan, like I'm going to be incredibly 123 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,720 thrilled if I get to see Keely and Josh break world records at 124 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,840 London Time League. But, you know, I still think, 125 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:26,840 yeah, the, and, and to be honest, like I, I go back to 126 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:32,040 actually when I was in Budapest actually watching Josh Kerr win, 127 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:33,560 like I would take yakking Britain. 128 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:38,520 Like that was a moment for me. Like just I, I, I remember that 129 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,120 moment incredibly, like vividly. And like when you see some of 130 00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:45,680 those things that you see in sport, like you do remember 131 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,680 those things really vividly. And yeah, that was one of those 132 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:50,520 moments for me, absolutely. But I think, yeah, England 133 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,800 winning World Cup would just be just be something else. 134 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,360 Kyle and I aren't British. We were also, I think going nuts 135 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,160 in the stands for that moment in Budapest as well. 136 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:02,360 That was yeah, I guess like when when, when I think back to just 137 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,160 sort of someone asked me this recently, just sort of like 138 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,000 would have been certain of the coolest moments in track that 139 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:10,040 oh, it was, it was a friend of mine coming off of the Knicks 140 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,360 thing. He was like, oh, Knicks winning 141 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,960 has got to be like top five for you in your life. 142 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,040 I was like, yeah, sure. And he's like, what? 143 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:18,080 What would it be for track? Like a moment in track. 144 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,160 And I was like, I don't know. I guess like Cole Hawker winning 145 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,200 the 1500 in Paris. That was, you know, pretty as I 146 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:25,640 mean, there's a video on my phone. 147 00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:28,760 Unfortunately, because of like the Olympic restrictions, I 148 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,640 can't ever like post it anywhere. 149 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,600 But it's of me and Mitch in the media tribune. 150 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:37,840 And I'm going absolutely crazy person in front of me that keeps 151 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,400 turning around me. Like I can't believe these 152 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,200 people are cheering in the press box. 153 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,360 But like, it's just sort of you lose control in moments like 154 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:45,200 that. And so. 155 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,360 Yeah. So you're saying the Knicks, 156 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:50,760 England is the Knicks of the World Cup? 157 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,840 Is that the the? For, well, for Brits, obviously 158 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,920 well for English people and I, I, I, I can't say Brits as well 159 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,840 for English people like people who've grown up in England 160 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,920 definitely like that is a moment like that would be, that would 161 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:08,040 be unbelievable. All right, so now let's get into 162 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:13,240 a little bit of track, because if you did make the deal about 163 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,240 England winning the World Cup or the world records falling at the 164 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,000 London Diamond League, I think the probability right now is 165 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:24,040 probably higher on the World Cup victory than the world records 166 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,480 cause of maybe some of these results that you got this past 167 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,680 weekend. But I mean, this is All in all. 168 00:09:29,680 --> 00:09:33,600 I think there's moments from last podcast where that didn't 169 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,400 age well and moments that did age well. 170 00:09:36,760 --> 00:09:38,160 So I. Nailed it on a couple. 171 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,520 I feel very validated on a couple takes. 172 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,480 But the but the biggest one that we missed on was saying, Oh 173 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,320 yeah, this men's 200 is just going to be a cakewalk for 174 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,800 Tobogo and. Delete that part, yeah. 175 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,720 And that's where we're going to start with this episode. 176 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:58,960 Tate Taylor, 18 years old, wins the pre classic 1975 into a -, 177 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:04,320 .9 headwind out of lane 3 beats. Let's see the tobogo by .18 178 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,720 seconds. The rest of the field was pretty 179 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,880 way back. If you rewatch it, Tate. 180 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:15,200 Tate was I think like tied through the 100 meters and then 181 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,280 from there just dominated in that final straight away. 182 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:24,600 He ran APB by the same margin that he beat to Bogo by, I mean, 183 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:28,640 instantly just sort of the comparisons are there as to just 184 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,760 sort of like, all right, we got Gout. 185 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:37,520 Gout's 9/9/1967 got a lot of attention a couple months back, 186 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,080 but then a lot of skepticism. And this is the total opposite 187 00:10:41,080 --> 00:10:45,000 when you really break it down because whereas Gout Gout's race 188 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,480 had this tailwind. And then there's obviously 189 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,400 conspiracies with the videos of the flags going and all that 190 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,640 kind of stuff, whatever. But most people in that race ran 191 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:59,560 massive PBS and they have not been able to replicate it since 192 00:10:59,560 --> 00:11:01,800 then. Really like not have 193 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,440 performances that really aligned with what happened on that day. 194 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:08,280 And the opposite is here, where it's sort of like take Taylor's 195 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:12,320 race had a headwind where nearly everyone in the field ran 196 00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:15,720 significantly slower than their season's best. 197 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,560 I think The only exception to that was maybe Courtney Lindsay, 198 00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:23,760 who ran like a a season's best. And so even Tobogo ran nearly 199 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,520 identical performances here to what he did in Oslo, where he 200 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:32,280 had beaten Gout Gout by, you know, three 3/4 of a of a 201 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:37,480 second. So, yeah, I mean, we had we had 202 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,400 the clip that went viral afterwards where Paul Hoff 203 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,760 Mahoney brings up the comments that let's see what Tabogo made 204 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,480 in Oslo. Both of these were to, you know, 205 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,280 Sidious people 'cause I guess Mitch asked Tabogo what advice 206 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,200 he had for Gout Gout. And he said, you know, I think 207 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:58,120 you should stay racing against people in his age group and that 208 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:02,280 if he was constantly racing the pros that he would risk injury. 209 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:07,080 And so then we were texting, I think, as after that race. 210 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,200 And I said, well, Paul, you should bring up those comments 211 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:13,360 to Tate Taylor because, you know, he just what does he have 212 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:15,680 to say to to Bogo after after something like that? 213 00:12:15,680 --> 00:12:20,160 And then the famous line is now Tate Taylor saying, well, I'm 214 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,200 not was I'm what is it? I'm not gout gout. 215 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,040 I'm Tate Taylor. I'm not trying. 216 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:26,280 To be gout gout man, no, I think. 217 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:27,320 It's just like, I'm not gout gout. 218 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:28,880 I'm Tate Taylor and I think like that. 219 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:31,120 Put that on a shirt. I'm Tate. 220 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:32,280 Tate. Yeah. 221 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:38,280 A few weeks ago after let's Eli raced gout gout, he said his 222 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:41,080 advice to him was kind of the stay with like his age group 223 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,560 racing the junior athletes. Well, had you heard that quote? 224 00:12:44,560 --> 00:12:45,720 Was that at? All in your head go. 225 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:48,440 I'm Tay Taylor. It's a complete 2. 226 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:50,560 Completely different things. Love you though Gal. 227 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:53,480 So all. In all, just sort of statement 228 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:57,360 victory by Tay Taylor adds to the hype that's coming at the 229 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:02,280 U20 Championships. Tate Taylor not doing Usas, so 230 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,880 we won't get to see a Noah Lyles versus Tate Taylor potentially 231 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:10,120 for a bit. But I mean, this is the real 232 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:13,680 deal and super, super impressive, Kyle. 233 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:19,440 I think this just goes back to the old adage, it's about who 234 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:20,960 you beat. It's not about the time. 235 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,400 And Tate ran a great time. But when we're analyzing how Gal 236 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,640 Gout did, it's like, all right, well, who's the second best guy 237 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:30,560 in that race? And forget like the headwind, 238 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:33,840 who knows? The same thing that happened 239 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,080 potentially in Australia. It doesn't say the wind in the 240 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:39,960 200 is not perfect. It doesn't tell the whole story. 241 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:42,360 But he beat. Let's go to. 242 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:46,480 Bogo who's been running great and that is everything and this 243 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:51,880 was the surprise of the meat easily the most shocking 244 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:55,120 performance out of lane 3 as well. 245 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:59,120 Just unbelievable. I don't think we saw this. 246 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,480 I mean we we have the tape. We we did not see this coming 247 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:08,280 and it just where do you go from here? 248 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,200 If you're anyone like if you're Noah, you're probably glad he's 249 00:14:12,200 --> 00:14:15,920 not showing up at USA is right now because like you don't want 250 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,080 to raise a high school kid who's this hot right now. 251 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:20,880 I'm sure Toboga is like trying to circle on the calendar next 252 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:26,680 opportunity to get his lick back because it's just this was 253 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,440 supposed to just be the Tabogo end. 254 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:31,120 Like that's how they he was in lane 3. 255 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:32,920 Like they did it. He was just an ad. 256 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:34,160 It was just. Yeah, because when I got 257 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,560 scratched they added him. He'll be. 258 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,280 Cute put him in. Unbelievable. 259 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:45,280 Also I just need a video of him head on with like the stabilizer 260 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,200 on the head. The way his shoulders go back 261 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:55,720 and forth is just so iconic. Now it's he's super impressed, 262 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:59,800 just so strong. And the start of this race, I 263 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:02,520 wasn't even looking remotely anywhere near him because Brian 264 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:06,880 Lavelle, what a turn. I mean, obviously fell off quite 265 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,480 a bit there at the end, finishing in 5th. 266 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:13,800 But like, I didn't even realize what was happening on the inside 267 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:15,280 of the track. And then all of a sudden it was 268 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,640 like, can Tobogo get Lavelle all right? 269 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,760 And then wait, there's another body on the inside. 270 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:22,720 This was the highlight of the meet. 271 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,320 This was incredible. I'm. 272 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:28,600 Not as quick as you, Kyle, I think to believe that Noah's 273 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,440 kind of shaking in his boots over performance like this 274 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,280 before. That is true. 275 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,720 Like the high school kid who runs really fast, shows up at 276 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:42,040 USA is Noah still ends up on top like this was what, four years 277 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,000 ago, I think. And so I don't think there's 278 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,600 anything there's no level of concern yet if you're Noah 279 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,320 Lyles. But it is just a reminder that 280 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,720 the 200 has just historically always been a, you know, an 281 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,280 event where high school phenoms can pop off and, you know, 282 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:02,240 supplant if you're the number 23 guy in the United States, like 283 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:04,920 there's a good chance that there could be a high schooler who's 284 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,640 breathing down your neck by the end of the season. 285 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,760 And that's just sort of like Noah was that kid before Aryan 286 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,200 was that kid before. Now it's Tate Taylor. 287 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,000 So it's I mean, the United States has always just kind of 288 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,920 produced these 200 meter stars. And, you know, for a while it 289 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:23,200 was looking like, all right, you know, Gawk out's going to be the 290 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:27,240 face of the 2032 games. But now I'm looking at it's 291 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,440 like, all right, well, the US has kind of figured out who 292 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:31,200 their horse is going to be in the fight for that one. 293 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,680 So yeah, I think that's you about this one. 294 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,400 I I. Didn't get I I should give Noah 295 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,360 more credit. Noah wants the smoke like he 296 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:38,320 wants. I think so too. 297 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:39,640 Yeah. Yeah, I should give him more 298 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:41,400 credit. Yeah. 299 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:45,120 I mean, I think, yeah, it was definitely the one moment of 300 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:49,160 this meet where I went, wow, That was it was a it was a shock 301 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:54,040 both the time and who he beat. Like combined, it was kind of 302 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:58,720 the result Tobogo I think realized maybe a little too late 303 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:04,280 that Tate was out of him because Tate was in lane 3 and and then 304 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:07,280 was like, you can really do he tried, but you can do very much 305 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,680 about it. And who knows? 306 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,200 You know, there was a bit of a theme in this meet of some of 307 00:17:12,200 --> 00:17:16,160 the lane draws were not ideal to give us the best visuals of the 308 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,000 race and maybe to create some of the kind of more like dramatic 309 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,200 kind of races from a visual perspective. 310 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,599 But obviously some of the results were were really 311 00:17:24,599 --> 00:17:30,400 interesting. But yeah, I think Tobogo Tobago 312 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,480 will, will want, yeah, will want will want to get Tay Taylor back 313 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,720 for that. But he he and yeah, asking him 314 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,880 that question was was obviously interesting. 315 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:45,320 I look, the reality is you, you just don't know with with these 316 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:46,880 athletes, right? We've seen how good are in 317 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,400 Knighton was, you know, he went to the Olympics and he went to 318 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:52,080 the World Championships and he performed really well, right. 319 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:57,800 And I think, you know, with with young talents, sometimes there's 320 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,880 a case of, you know, take advantage of it while it's hot. 321 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,720 And some in some cases there is a kind of let's develop more 322 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,080 slowly. And I think with gout gout, you 323 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,320 know very clearly that the target is got to be 2032, right? 324 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:14,280 So they don't want to risk, they want him to build towards that, 325 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,960 right? Whilst with take Taylor with 326 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,640 whoever else, right? It's if you are hot, like let's 327 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:25,200 hear Tobogo came out hot in 2023 and start winning medals, right? 328 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,880 And that and he's carried on, right? 329 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:31,400 And this is his kind of era. He's he's going to take 330 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,280 advantage of that, even though he's still himself very young. 331 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:39,600 I I'm ready for like the, oh, it's because he's an American 332 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:42,040 and we're getting really, really excited over him. 333 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:45,760 But like when you see the way that these guys run both Gao Gao 334 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:50,080 and him run the, the 200, it's like Gao Gao start obviously 335 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,840 hasn't been, isn't great yet. It's clearly the the part of his 336 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:57,160 race that he's got to work on, but he can close crazy, crazy 337 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,960 fast versus Tate Taylor, who, you know, I think maybe coming 338 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,360 into this year, a lot of people have seen what his success was 339 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:05,400 in the hundreds. So you know, he's got a great 340 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,520 start. But then this past weekend shows 341 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,400 you just how good of a closer he can be in the race as well. 342 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,440 So it's like I don't know where when you're breaking down to 343 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,560 200, I would give the edge to gout gout right now over the 2. 344 00:19:20,120 --> 00:19:24,120 So it sets up really nicely for a great showdown at U 20s. 345 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:30,400 What are the odds Tay Taylor ends up racing in a Texas Tech 346 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:37,080 kit after all of this 'cause he's got he's, he's, I'm not 347 00:19:37,080 --> 00:19:39,720 sure if he's got an NIL with Nike. 348 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:41,840 I think he's just part of like the Nike Elite program, which 349 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:44,640 isn't they don't pay, you know, the athletes maybe at this 350 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,000 point, like it's starting to get to the point where like he's 351 00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:51,520 going to, I mean, this past weekend, I guess he collects 0 352 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,560 zero prize money as a result of this. 353 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,360 I think it's going to start to get a little loud that it's time 354 00:19:58,360 --> 00:20:01,440 to GoPro and you don't need to end up going to college. 355 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:07,960 But yeah, we'll, we'll see. So yeah, Tay Taylor now #3 on EU 356 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:12,440 2200 meter list, it's Arian Cowcat and Tay Taylor. 357 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,160 So he moves ahead of Usain Bolt, which is really cool stat. 358 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:17,600 And honestly, I think probably what? 359 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,360 The mainstream media should gravitate towards is like now 360 00:20:21,360 --> 00:20:25,320 there's a new young American high schooler who's faster than 361 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,600 Usain Bolt and there's two of them that are active right now. 362 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:32,000 So that's good. So yeah, I guess Pre really 363 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,360 quick, I guess, or this is more for Kyle. 364 00:20:34,360 --> 00:20:37,520 Pre brought up the point weird lane draws in this one. 365 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:40,320 Kyle, this is something you dealt with I think last year 366 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:44,320 just sort of understanding how people get certain lanes like 367 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,760 Rye was out in lane 9. Was it in the 400 or something 368 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:51,040 like and then Tay Taylor ends up in in in lane 3. 369 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,840 This is all based on ranking, right? 370 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:58,080 Or is there? Some in theory, yeah, you're 371 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:03,040 you're demanding agents are using it as leverage and so how 372 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:04,160 does. Rye end up in a nine. 373 00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,320 He might have wanted 9 for all you know. 374 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:08,680 No, he. Said no. 375 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:09,760 He said no. Oh. 376 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,520 He said no after he was. Like, there's some politics 377 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:14,640 here. Like he made a very, you know, 378 00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,200 kind of very obtuse comment in the mix, so you want to go into 379 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,520 details, but he was like, I don't know what I was doing in 380 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,000 late 9, but there's politics, man. 381 00:21:22,120 --> 00:21:22,880 What can I say? You didn't. 382 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,480 Watch his whole 30 minute interview interview. 383 00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,520 It is it is politics they they lean on ranking when it's 384 00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:35,520 convenient. But yeah, no, that's often the 385 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:41,000 day before all the agents are in the room arguing their case for 386 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,280 one or another. It's my guys not even going to 387 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,880 run this race. And the pre classic is a whole 388 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,160 other can of worms given it's Nike. 389 00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:57,120 But you know, if you're right and you don't have the PB, then 390 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:58,960 others might be using it against you. 391 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:03,440 And it's yeah or it's, hey, if you scratch my back here, I'll 392 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:08,720 scratch your back there. Which I when I was on the other 393 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,360 side, I would shut down real quickly. 394 00:22:10,360 --> 00:22:15,560 I don't like that game. They should stream those 395 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,160 arguments. The the the meetings where the 396 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:22,120 agents are all just fighting and screaming at one another would 397 00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:24,960 be super entertaining. Then you get like the agents to 398 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:26,400 be characters in the sport as well. 399 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,440 Yeah, we. Had we had it like we had a set 400 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:34,240 rule in place of the way that we had like broken down. 401 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:37,800 So like it was formulaic. And so there was no discussion 402 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:41,680 whatsoever. But there was one case in which 403 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,640 an athlete, star athlete, there's a couple interesting 404 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:48,880 ones, but a star athlete got a very bad lean draw because of 405 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:54,120 the way the formula was done and it was a whole thing so. 406 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,760 This episode of the City of Smack podcast is supported by 407 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,120 Bandit. There are athletes competing at 408 00:23:00,120 --> 00:23:03,200 the championship level who make exactly $0.00 from the brands 409 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:04,840 whose logos they wear on the start line. 410 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,040 Bandits Unsponsored Project flips that. 411 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,320 Let's learn more. All right, we are here with Tim 412 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:14,080 Rossi, the head of experiences at Bandit, because Bandit is 413 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,520 coming back with the Unsponsored project for Year 4. 414 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:23,960 Tim, why does Bandit continue to show up for unsponsored athletes 415 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,200 in track and field? Yeah. 416 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,960 Chris, stoked to be here talking about unsponsored project Year 417 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,840 4. It's crazy that this initiative 418 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:33,160 we started in 2023 is on Year 4 now. 419 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:36,800 I think the main reason that we're burning this back and 420 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,480 continue to invest is it continues to serve a need within 421 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:43,480 the sport. The the top, top of the athletes 422 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:46,120 in the sport of track and field are getting taken care of and 423 00:23:46,120 --> 00:23:48,920 making a great amount of money, which is absolutely awesome. 424 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,800 We love to see that. But there does still continue to 425 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,400 be this need of raising the floor for those athletes that 426 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:57,560 are pursuing the sport at the highest level, but maybe haven't 427 00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:59,920 had that breakthrough, maybe have went through a rough patch 428 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:02,560 in terms of injury or performance for a year or two 429 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,400 and are just falling through the cracks of the sponsorship model 430 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,240 that we have right now. So the unsponsored projects 431 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,920 coming back supporting some of those individuals competing at 432 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,200 US outdoors that don't have a brand supporting them right now, 433 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,440 so. What does an athlete get when 434 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,920 they join in Bandits Unsponsored project? 435 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,000 Yeah. So it's grown every single year, 436 00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,960 which is really cool. But we talk about the key 437 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,560 pillars. Cash is the least sexy thing to 438 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,680 talk about, but also the most important for athletes. 439 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,880 A lot of the time we just have cash as part of every single one 440 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:33,920 of these agreements. The athletes can use that on 441 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,640 whatever they want as part of this agreement. 442 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,680 Generally speaking, we try and have that cover, ideally travel 443 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,120 costs, housing, potentially some additional cash into people's 444 00:24:44,120 --> 00:24:46,520 pockets depending on what hotel they're staying in or something 445 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,880 like that. But travel for this meet is 446 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,680 super, super important to cover. Then the unbranded gear has 447 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,400 become a huge part of this as well, so that the athletes can 448 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,920 demonstrate that they're unsponsored when competing on 449 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,360 the track. The release clause is an 450 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:02,040 extraordinarily important part of these agreements where 451 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,280 athletes are free to be released from our agreement should 452 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,200 another brand come with a traditional sponsorship model at 453 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,840 any point during these agreements. 454 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,120 And then a platform is the last thing we really want to promote 455 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,600 and talk about these athletes and their amazing stories and 456 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,200 really brought them up within the sport for the amazing 457 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,480 performances that they are putting together and and how 458 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,760 high of a level they are competing at. 459 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,800 So those are the four key things that we talk about within these 460 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:29,960 agreements. How can? 461 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,320 They find it, yeah. That's a great question. 462 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,360 You set it right there. This program and this support is 463 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:39,160 targeted right for individual is planning to compete the US 464 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,800 Outdoor Track and field championships stoke that it's in 465 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:43,720 New York this year. Right now. 466 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,200 The best way to get in touch with us would be to reach out to 467 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,440 the bandit support e-mail and those individuals will connect 468 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:50,960 you with me. That's 469 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:54,880 support@banditrunning.com. So if you're planning to compete 470 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,080 at US Outdoors, I'd reach out there. 471 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,360 I'll be proactively reaching out to people. 472 00:25:59,360 --> 00:26:01,280 It's not, again, the fanciest thing in the world. 473 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,160 Maybe check your DMS if you're an athlete that's looking at US 474 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,000 outdoors. But yeah, reaching out to 475 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,000 support@banditrunning.com is the best way to get in touch right 476 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,440 now. For more on Bandits and 477 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,000 sponsored project, stick around at the end of this episode. 478 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,160 OK, let's move on over to the the miles that went down. 479 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,120 We're going to start with the biggest surprise of the two, and 480 00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:30,360 that was in the women's mile. Nikki Hiltz wins the pre classic 481 00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:39,040 mile for 1749 on July 4th. Very American victory ends Faith 482 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:44,240 Kippy Aegon's five year unbeaten streak in the 1500, which at 483 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:49,280 this point was it was 1500 mile for the streak, 24 consecutive 484 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:55,120 wins dating back to the loss to Sifanasan in Florence in June 485 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,680 2021. I saw, I think it was PJ from 486 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,040 the World Athletics Museum. He was he tweeted something 487 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,000 about how like she was like Faith was about to tie the 488 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,600 record for like longest streak in the 15100 mile and then that 489 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:17,000 just got snapped. But anyway, it was Nikki who 490 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,520 ends up victorious in this one. Dorcas Ewoi, second Faith 491 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,520 Kapiagon fades to 3rd. Nikki closed the final 200 492 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:30,240 meters in 29 flat was sitting just around 4th or 6th and then 493 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,720 at the bell ends up making their move. 494 00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,120 But it was a weird race because the pace I think was the pace 495 00:27:36,120 --> 00:27:39,160 was instructed to go 413 or something like that, which is 496 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,640 way off of Faith's world record and and PR. 497 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,240 And even in those opening parts of the race, like you could see 498 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,120 that the field was like kind of looking around. 499 00:27:49,120 --> 00:27:51,880 It's like where's Faith? Because she did not go 500 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,360 immediately behind the pacer. So there's a weird part where 501 00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:59,560 like Emily Mackay is up in the front and everyone was just sort 502 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:02,000 of like what is happening? So it ends up being a kicker's 503 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,520 race with the bell everyone. I, I don't, I don't think I've 504 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:10,360 seen a 1500 or mile featuring faith that has had this many 505 00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:12,520 people in contention with 400 meters to go. 506 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,800 And so you're watching this thing thinking, all right, well, 507 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:18,320 Nikki's there. Nikki's the best kicker in the 508 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,000 United States. They've got a chance and comes 509 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:27,080 through so phenomenal execution there. 510 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,600 Super close race. And I think I think I saw it 511 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,400 online that it was like, oh, this is Nikki's biggest victory 512 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:39,200 of their career. And yes, I guess like, like 513 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:44,120 strength wise of this the how strong this field was, yeah, you 514 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:45,960 could certainly make the case for it. 515 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,320 Someone like Mack would be like, oh, this is a Diamond League. 516 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,040 It's it's probably got to be like the US Olympic trials in 517 00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:55,480 2024 with the stakes and it being a championship. 518 00:28:55,480 --> 00:29:01,720 But when you when like you look at this field and it had all 519 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,360 three of the medalists, right from from the Paris Olympics, it 520 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,920 had all three of the world championship medalists as well. 521 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,920 Faith. So, I mean, this is, yeah, I 522 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,520 think Nikki's biggest victory. Always thought Faith is so 523 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,800 incredible and she's someone we obviously all look up to. 524 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,480 And I've just, I've always thought it would be so good cool 525 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,480 to see if I could out pick her last summer. 526 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,080 But she's just always so far ahead. 527 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:28,560 And it was just one of those moments. 528 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,320 I was like, I think this might be the only time in my career 529 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,880 where we can just 100 years to go, go head to head. 530 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,200 And I just, I got excited and you know, I think there was 531 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:38,600 obviously it wasn't just me and her though. 532 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:40,840 The whole field was there. And I'm just so used to that, 533 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,840 that it was just cool to, to come out on top. 534 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:49,160 It was really fun. I would say, dare I say, the 535 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:54,800 second biggest 1500 in U.S. history. 536 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,800 What would you besides? Jenny Simpson, 2011 World 537 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,800 Championship. Can you think of a bigger 1? 538 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,000 Mary on women's side? Yeah, yeah, on the women's side. 539 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:13,240 I mean, I wasn't around to really process, I guess, the 540 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,160 Mary Decker World Championship win, but I can't think of 541 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,560 anything bigger. Besides. 542 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,640 Jenny, Yeah. So since let's let's set the 543 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:25,280 line at. Since 2010, it's the last. 544 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:29,920 I mean, this is bigger than any like Melrose Wanamaker victory 545 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:35,640 for sure. And it's, yeah, I, I just don't 546 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:40,360 think like beating, beating Faith is like the ultimate, like 547 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,760 prize. Like there's nothing, there's 548 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,040 nothing else to do besides win a global medal. 549 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,200 This and this is harder. More people have won global 550 00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,040 medals, more people have won gold medals than have beat Faith 551 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:54,800 Kippiegon in a mile. That is a very, very, very short 552 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,640 list. And you have to go back. 10 553 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,520 years for the last time in American even did it right. 554 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:04,040 I think it was like Shannon Roberry and and Jenny beat faith 555 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:08,520 in 2016 or something like that. So it's like one, it kind of 556 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:13,600 does goes to show you like how long faith has been on top, but 557 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,920 huge, massive confidence booster for sure. 558 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,200 Now it's sort of like if if you're Nicky, you've been 559 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,600 checking a ton of boxes where it's like you can, you've 560 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:27,440 established yourself as the best American 1500 Miller box 561 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,000 checked. You've established and through 562 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,280 that you've established you've got the best kick in the field. 563 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:36,520 Then from there, last year, you go on and win the Diamond League 564 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,600 internationally. Faith was not in that one. 565 00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,880 Then you go to the World Championships and you finish 566 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,880 fifth, OK, continuing to make progress in where you stand 567 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:51,520 among the world's best. And then this time around, the 568 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,720 biggest box to check is beating Faith at some point, right? 569 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:58,760 And finally got to do that. So I think, Kyle, you've phrased 570 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,600 it before as like adding more tools to the toolbox. 571 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,240 Like at this point, Nikki's got them all. 572 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,000 Well, the thing that was so interesting was the way that 573 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,000 everyone just let Faith do whatever she wanted for the 574 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,600 majority of the race. Like with 300 meters to go, 575 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:20,960 someone should have gone around like they they clearly we're 576 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,040 just doing whatever Faith wanted. 577 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,400 And we're like, all right, we'll just chance at the very end here 578 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,840 and see if we can, you know, have enough. 579 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,960 So like the amount of respect that that everyone has for faith 580 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,080 was very obvious in the way that it actually played out. 581 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:41,480 But I was, I was talking to my wife about this of why whenever 582 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:46,320 Nicki wins, it's so exciting because at this point they win 583 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:50,600 all the time, right? Like, it's, it's not new for us 584 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,280 as fans that Nicki is winning big races. 585 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:58,240 But every time it happens, we collectively are so pumped for 586 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:00,720 them. And I think the reason is, is 587 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:04,600 that no matter how much Nikki wins, they're always just so 588 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:09,360 fired up after. And part of that, I feel like is 589 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:14,640 the way Nikki has just slowly made the winds bigger and bigger 590 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,680 and bigger. It's not like, oh, you know, 591 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,240 when 21 years old, we're we're winning a medal at the Olympics. 592 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,800 And then from there, there's no more surprises. 593 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,880 It's just the way that Nikki just consistently just levels up 594 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:34,240 a tiny bit every single season that has made it so that like 595 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:40,400 every single time that next thing happens, we're like over 596 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,400 the moon and like, Oh my God, I can't believe it. 597 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,920 So the the Nikki Hill's fan experience has been really 598 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:52,640 special. And I mean, look like all the 599 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,000 the elephant in the room is that Faith was not at her best, 600 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,720 right? Yeah, so Faith announced on her 601 00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,320 Instagram. As athletes, we often deal with 602 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,280 challenges you can't always see from the outside. 603 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,600 Since Shanghai, I've been dealing with a hamstring injury. 604 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,800 But the last two weeks have been a step in the right direction. 605 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:13,239 So that does tell you something. And like, obviously excuses 606 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,120 whatever, like, but I think, you know, clearly she wasn't at her 607 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,960 best. And yeah, that that shouldn't 608 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,199 put a dumpster on the fact that Nikki won, right? 609 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,639 It obviously should not. And it's really impressive to 610 00:34:24,639 --> 00:34:28,000 beat the rest of this field, let alone obviously being faith into 611 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,280 the mix. But yeah, it is worth kind of 612 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,320 putting that context to to it for. 17 at night. 613 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,080 Your best is still pretty damn good. 614 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:41,400 It reminds me of Jacob in the layoff of injury. 615 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:48,480 I think right before 2024 pre classic where it was the the 616 00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,600 race with him and Josh where he still hadn't raced for a good 617 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:54,639 period of time and then comes out and still finishes second. 618 00:34:56,199 --> 00:35:00,040 I you know, this happens in sport, right, where it's people 619 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:04,520 start to wonder if this is the beginning of the end for like 620 00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:10,640 great, right with this Tom Brady, all these different 621 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,360 athletes in in across a variety of different sports. 622 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:18,680 Once that you, you get that sort of First off performance that we 623 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,360 haven't seen in a while, it start, it's, you know, the big 624 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:26,080 reaction is starting to brainstorm of whether we've seen 625 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,040 their best and it's the beginning of the end. 626 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:32,840 Not entirely ready to, to jump on that for, for faith because 627 00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:36,720 this just does this also just feels like it was, you know, 628 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:42,000 coming back from an injury and not having not being at your 629 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,120 best. And also it's a very tough one 630 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:47,040 to miss out on. Like if you're a Nike athlete, 631 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,240 like they want faith there no matter what. 632 00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:55,920 So they'll take faith at 85% versus the field instead of 633 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,040 faith missing out on the entire meet. 634 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,960 Plus I guess like, I don't know, 'cause it's a, it's a Nike 635 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,560 athlete, a Nike meet. Like if there was a hefty 636 00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,880 appearance to be no matter what to go along with this thing. 637 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,440 But yeah, this is not the beginning of the end to faith 638 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,640 could be a gone. I think it's a it's a storyline 639 00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:19,040 that I guess I could start to get crafted, but I think same 640 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,200 same thing with like Georgia Hunter Bell, who had a rough off 641 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,320 day. I think here finishing in 8th 642 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,680 place in in 418. Sometimes people aren't at their 643 00:36:28,720 --> 00:36:34,120 at at their best and but still, it was a really, really good 644 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,040 race pre. Where are you at in terms of 645 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:41,000 just sort of like assessing, you know, what what happens here 646 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,040 with with the faith could being on context? 647 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,440 Yeah, so I mean, I was just looking at her splits like her 648 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:50,040 last 209 meters, she still closed in exactly the same time 649 00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,400 as Jess Holt, right. Like Jess Holt is one of the 650 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:58,520 best athletes in the world. And yes, Claudia Kazmika closed 651 00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,680 faster, Dorcas Ewoi closed a bit faster. 652 00:37:01,720 --> 00:37:04,760 Nikki closed, you know, less than half a second quicker. 653 00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:10,000 She was face was not a million miles away, but obviously she 654 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:14,360 normally has a gap and then puts on a really hard clothes. 655 00:37:14,720 --> 00:37:19,320 She wasn't able to do either of those things over the weekend. 656 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,920 But yeah, I think well, it's going to be she is doubling. 657 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,880 She's supposed to be doubling back to run Monaco on Friday. 658 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:28,800 So it'll be really interesting if a she lines up for that. 659 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:34,360 And if she does, that's a 3K and just holds also in that one. 660 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,840 It's going to be fascinating to see what she does that because I 661 00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,840 guess it won't be a world record attempt anymore. 662 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,240 So again, it will be interesting as to to whether she does. 663 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,360 She'll have got some information obviously from this race as to 664 00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:51,720 what she can and can't do. And it will be interesting to 665 00:37:51,720 --> 00:37:54,960 see what she does there. And I think, you know, yeah, I 666 00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:56,520 don't think it's it's the decline. 667 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,720 I think, yeah. If a healthy faith could be a 668 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,440 gone come world ultimates. I think she's still winning 669 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,520 world ultimates. Like she can still win the 670 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,520 double in the world ultimates. If if a healthy faith could be a 671 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:12,840 gone shows up, I think. It's it's amazing what racing 672 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,600 one time will do in an abbreviated build up. 673 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,360 So do not be surprised if, assuming she came off this 674 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,120 healthy that we see a faith that looks totally different in 675 00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,400 Monaco one time like one race effort just like it jump starts 676 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,600 your fitness light years. So I don't think it's going to 677 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:36,000 take very long for her to return to like full, full form, 678 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,000 especially because it's the three K, you have to be a little 679 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:44,480 less sharp. So I, yeah, I I want that 3K 680 00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,320 world record gone at some point. Maybe it's, you know, maybe we 681 00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,480 need another couple weeks. But I would say again, like, 682 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,600 don't be shocked if we see something special still. 683 00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,400 Maybe it was a week or two ago, Matt called Kyle the king of 684 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,960 Move up because that's just sort of like, you know, Kyle's 685 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,520 favorite thing is to tell people to, to move up in distance. 686 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,040 Now the, the tricky part with Faith after, after this, if we 687 00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,120 want to really kind of take it to the Kyle extreme here is that 688 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,200 she's got she's got a problem on her hands if she moves up. 689 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,600 Because if you look at 5K10K, maybe you can enjoy the fact 690 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,760 that Beatrice Shabet is on maternity leave. 691 00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:26,800 But the king of move up over here probably tells you it might 692 00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,800 be time to explore the roads a little bit. 693 00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,040 Which maybe like it's about that I don't just need the. 694 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,720 Roads. What's that far yet? 695 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:36,400 Just needed to go to the roads yet. 696 00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:39,080 Not yet. Not yet. 697 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:44,360 Eventually. Because it it's sort of like, I 698 00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:47,360 don't think she anticipated staying in the 1500 for as long 699 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,160 as she has so far. I think like in the past, she 700 00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:54,480 said something about how like Tokyo was the Olympics in Tokyo 701 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,840 was supposed to be kind of like the last, the the last hurrah, 702 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:02,800 But then the pandemic hits and from there she just experiences 703 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,480 this, you know, continued string of success that it's like, all 704 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,560 right, well, I'm not going to go anywhere if I continue to win 705 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:11,400 everything. But now it's finally the sign of 706 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,600 like, has the field started to catch up? 707 00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:17,680 I mean, we're you're removed from her running four O 6 in the 708 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,440 mile. So it's like, I think. 709 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:24,440 Maybe it's a bit of an overreaction, but it's an 710 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,720 interesting sort of thought. It's like, what's her path If 711 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:30,120 she just if she does take this in, in a way of being like, all 712 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:34,320 right, maybe it's almost time to let up on the 1500, but we'll 713 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,320 we'll just have to wait and see. But that would be. 714 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,640 A crazy overreaction. I feel like you got to lose a 715 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,480 couple. Yeah, you got to lose a couple 716 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,000 before you're giving up the event. 717 00:40:44,720 --> 00:40:48,120 And I, I just think like as an overall thing and it was kind of 718 00:40:48,120 --> 00:40:51,080 a little bit symptomatic of a bit of this meat, which is why 719 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,840 I'm maybe a little less high on this meat than you guys might 720 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,080 be. But as an overall thing, like we 721 00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,960 had so many stars that we had so many stellar fields, but in a 722 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,920 lot of them, the best athletes were just not at their best. 723 00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:08,520 Faith was not at her best. Georgia Hunter Belt was not at 724 00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,480 her best. Cole Hawker was not at his best 725 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,560 like there was. So there was quite a lot of 726 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,920 athletes that were not quite at their best. 727 00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:18,160 And so, and, and because that happened in so many of the 728 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,840 races, there was a little bit of, we had so much anticipation 729 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,520 going in, but like, you know, and that there were obviously 730 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,960 there was some good races, but at the same time, I, I just, 731 00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,920 there was just a little bit of, I wanted to see like if, if 732 00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,160 Kate, if Faith had been doing that and being at that, was 733 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,680 Faith at her best doing that. And then, you know, George is 734 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,560 also at her best there and, and Nicki's there. 735 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,240 Obviously they were at their best. 736 00:41:44,240 --> 00:41:47,400 But you know, I wanted to kind of see everyone kind of doing it 737 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,480 at their best. And that, that's kind of what 738 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,440 I'm not sure we got in a lot of these races across the whole 739 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:54,440 meet. So. 740 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:59,160 Preet, you'd said this offline and I will allow you to continue 741 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,720 to speak on it, but I'm going to disagree hard because I. 742 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:03,240 Think that. I know you're going to disagree, 743 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:04,800 I think. The thing that would have made 744 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:11,080 this meet boring had faith. One in 417 had let's go to BOGO, 745 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,560 one in 19, seven had Kelly Hodgkinson, one in 156. 746 00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,000 That would have been that would have made this meet way more 747 00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,160 boring. But we kept getting these 748 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,320 upsets, which made it interesting and like forget the 749 00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:26,840 clock and the time. Like I mean, don't host to meet 750 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:30,120 in the middle of the day. If you I think it's just, you 751 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:32,040 know, I wasn't there. So I don't know the conditions 752 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,760 perfectly because I didn't experience it then. 753 00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,800 But you want a nightmare if you really want to chase sometimes 754 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:41,200 and it just I don't know, I feel like the upsets is what made 755 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,640 this and I'm not going to throw a couple other upset. 756 00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:49,480 Like I don't consider Jamal Britt winning in upset, but like 757 00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:51,200 the world record holder got beat. 758 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,720 I think had the world record holder won that like that would 759 00:42:53,720 --> 00:42:56,480 have been boring. Like I I that's what makes 760 00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,000 things interesting is that it didn't go to script, especially 761 00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,840 when times aren't crazy fast. Cooper Lukan house, like losing 762 00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,680 to Brandon Miller, like, you know, made it interesting. 763 00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:08,920 I'm with. I'm with Kyle on this. 764 00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,120 It's just sort of like if anything, Oh, there's much more 765 00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:16,400 intrigue towards the upcoming diamond leagues and USA is 766 00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,040 because the storylines just all of a sudden got so much more 767 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:23,800 interesting. So and then on top of that is 768 00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,400 just sort of getting I I guess Preet hasn't taken it to. 769 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,320 You're not saying it's that the the times let you down. 770 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,680 It's just you wish, I think. There's a combination of 771 00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,240 everything, right? That like every single distance 772 00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:37,720 race, no one went with a pace, right? 773 00:43:37,720 --> 00:43:39,680 Like literally every single one. It wasn't good. 774 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,040 It's the case for abolishing Pacers. 775 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:46,440 As in as in, I think as in, I think like I would like to have 776 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,880 seen a mix, right? And I think that's that like I 777 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,120 just, I just think that like every single distance race, no 778 00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,800 one went with the Pacers. Every single distance race, 779 00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,400 like, or, you know, it was just a little bit of Keely was 780 00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,760 injured, Faith was injured. Like there was just this, this 781 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,080 kind of coal is coming back from injury. 782 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:07,520 Like I, I, I, I want to see. I would, yeah. 783 00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:08,760 But that's the thing I want to say. 784 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,640 And to be fair, this is what it, what Cole did. 785 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,240 We'll come up to the Marlin a bit, but in a bit about Marlin a 786 00:44:14,240 --> 00:44:16,040 bit. But you know, what Cole did is 787 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,200 kind of what Cole always does at this meet. 788 00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:25,440 But at the same time, it's like, I think that the the high highs 789 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:30,440 of the of the some of the earlier other diamond leagues 790 00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:34,400 that we have had, right? Obviously we didn't get world 791 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,960 lead type times in general in this meet. 792 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,880 We did not get you know, and we got loads of upsets. 793 00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:43,480 But I think it was just as I say there, there just wasn't. 794 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,400 It just felt to me like that that it was just a little bit 795 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,640 less kind of it wasn't. It was a little bit more 796 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,080 underwhelming than like some of the other diamond leagues we 797 00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:55,360 have seen this season like the Stockholm and the Oslo and the 798 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,200 Paris kind of coming off those. They just set such a high bar 799 00:44:59,320 --> 00:45:03,680 and pre always has because you say pre has better fields, you 800 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:08,440 expect pre to kind of it has in the past few years just been on 801 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:13,760 that extra high level and we got zero world records, which is 802 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:14,800 fine. Like you're not going to get 803 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,360 world record every time out, not even. 804 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,480 The women's two mile. Not even that. 805 00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,440 I mean, that's what I mean. Like why, why, why was there a 806 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,280 women's two mile if you're not going to go with it, like then 807 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:28,400 just have a 3K or have a 5K. Like don't have a two mile. 808 00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,600 If no one's going to break national records, like what's 809 00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,640 the point of a two mile? Like this is what I mean, right? 810 00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,320 Like every race then just felt that little bit underwhelming, 811 00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,520 like in that sense that there wasn't. 812 00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,960 Yeah. But anyway, I made my point and 813 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,200 I appreciate there were different perspectives on that. 814 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,160 But just having watched all the other Diamond leagues, this one 815 00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:49,520 then like building into this one, which had that hype of the 816 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:51,200 field. And also the first times we've 817 00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,800 seen Hayward on the sprints just a couple of weeks earlier, 818 00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:58,480 NCAA's we're saying can the pros come here and replicate that? 819 00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,400 And they didn't. And yes, we we got some really 820 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:07,880 good Sprint races, but it but again, it was just like this, 821 00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:10,760 doesn't it just the whole thing just didn't fully add up for me. 822 00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,760 Preet you. Got to come to terms of the fact 823 00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,080 that you made your deal with the devil that like Georgia, 824 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,640 Underbell ran badly. Keely's hurt because England's 825 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,880 going to win the World Cup and this is what's. 826 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,760 Happening to them. They got zapped of their powers 827 00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,640 and so just just wait. Just wait a couple weeks when 828 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,160 you know it's coming home and sorry. 829 00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:31,680 Georgia Sorry, Keely, I'm taking that. 830 00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:38,480 So Preet I'm I'm based in the US so I'm a little biased here, but 831 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:45,640 in my mind pre has reached the level almost of Melrose where 832 00:46:45,720 --> 00:46:49,920 it's just about winning pre Like who cares about the time? 833 00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:54,040 I would rather see upsets than world leads every single time 834 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,120 out for. Some of these athletes, too, I 835 00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,920 mean, like, they're performing in front of the bosses, right? 836 00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,040 Like, yeah, I think there's a lot, a lot of pressure there, 837 00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,960 too. And so my perspective and I feel 838 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,400 this way about Melrose where it's, it's just winning. 839 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,240 That's the only thing. Like if you win Wanamaker, you 840 00:47:10,240 --> 00:47:12,160 win Wanamaker. And I think if you win the 841 00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,800 Bowerman mile, you win the I don't care what the time is. 842 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:22,080 And I, I think that pre again from AUS bias is really one of 843 00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:23,720 the only diamond leagues that I feel that way. 844 00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:29,080 There's the Oslo dream mile. I, I feel that way, but like, if 845 00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:34,040 you win Monaco in 333, that doesn't really mean that much in 846 00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,000 the way that I feel like the Bauerman Mile or Oslo Mile. 847 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:42,560 So so I disagree when like the need for world leads. 848 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:47,360 But I think to your point where all of the rabbits essentially 849 00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:52,960 were like not needed at all. I think PRE has reached a point 850 00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:57,200 where we can get rid of rabbits like we can just get rid of it. 851 00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,400 Winning the race at PRE is a big enough deal. 852 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,840 We don't need to make it a meet where you chase times. 853 00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:08,800 That's my hot and I. Guarantee you 125% that next 854 00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,960 year there's going to be 5 world record attempts at the pre 855 00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:16,520 classic all over again. And no, of course the meet is 856 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:17,840 still going to be in the middle of the day. 857 00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,400 But yeah, I mean, I mean, and I think that's the problem, right? 858 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,520 That fundamentally we we have this, you know, we've got our 859 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,400 length about it on this podcast is, you know, we have this issue 860 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:33,680 of the championships are on pace races. 861 00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,800 The diamond leagues are always pace races because the 862 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,000 individual meets are independent and they want their meet to have 863 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:45,960 the world lead or the world record or something spectacular 864 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:50,640 happen or the stars delivering. And that's where I just think 865 00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,800 there was just that little bit of it was it's partly because I 866 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,640 think I think if this has been a couple of meets earlier in the 867 00:48:57,640 --> 00:48:59,720 season, we'd have been raving right. 868 00:48:59,720 --> 00:49:03,200 And this is the this is the problem that like we just like 869 00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,280 things just went a little bit crazy. 870 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,480 It pre had been at the end of May where it where it used to 871 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,080 be. I think we'd have been saying 872 00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,880 like this is incredible. And I think it's just a 873 00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:18,040 different where we are in the season and what we've seen up to 874 00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,240 this point. It was just the expectations. 875 00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:22,560 We just sat a little bit too high and or a little bit 876 00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,640 differently and that that's where I kind of felt there was, 877 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,080 there was just something there. Well. 878 00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:29,000 It's sort of like the World Marathon Majors, right? 879 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:32,000 Like where if you're the Pre classic, you can be like the 880 00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,200 Boston Marathon of of the Diamond Leagues where it's like 881 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:39,160 no pacemaker lean on your tradition and it just sort of 882 00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,160 there's the prestige of winning, you know, there's the procedure 883 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,320 of winning the Boston Marathon. There's the prestige of winning 884 00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:49,360 pre, so it's like it, yeah, it it's done in other parts of our 885 00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,680 sport. So yeah, it feels. 886 00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:56,200 Like there is, I know you guys hate this idea, but it should 887 00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:59,200 have there should have been some more American based events, 888 00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:04,520 particularly AUS versus England relay. 889 00:50:05,240 --> 00:50:08,160 I think that just we really could have got the crowd into it 890 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:13,280 also by not having to meet at night, no fireworks and the. 891 00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:15,640 They had a drone show the night before. 892 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:18,040 Yeah, OK. I mean, well, I. 893 00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:22,000 Mean, I I did, I did. I kind of, I must admit, like I 894 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:23,080 have to give. Let's run this one. 895 00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:26,880 They did mention Nike did miss a trick by making their uniforms 896 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:31,720 for the 250th anniversary of the US green rather than red, white 897 00:50:31,720 --> 00:50:36,560 and blue. But you know, like, I mean, 898 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,800 yeah, it also, I mean, again, like we just get to watch the 899 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,040 two hour Diamond League like feed. 900 00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:48,120 So we don't quite get to feel the same kind of what what else 901 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,200 might have been going on at the meet to kind of celebrate like 902 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,320 the tour and 50 years. And maybe there was more there 903 00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,640 in the in the area around. And like for people who are 904 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,760 there in person. But obviously on the screen, it 905 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,840 didn't really come across in that same way. 906 00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,400 I think in some of the NBC interviews that maybe did, But 907 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,600 again, we didn't get to see those over here. 908 00:51:06,800 --> 00:51:11,080 So we sort of missed that bit of the meet as well maybe which 909 00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,320 which maybe would have helped project that kind of feeling of 910 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,280 it being special as well. Instead, you guys were subject 911 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,240 to Tim Hutchings just misgendering Nicki the whole 912 00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:23,400 entire race. No comment. 913 00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,720 He did it. He did it in Nicki's last race 914 00:51:26,720 --> 00:51:29,120 as well. Yep, not. 915 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,440 Good. 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Don't overcook it. 955 00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:44,840 All right, let's move on over to the men's, the Bowerman Mile, 956 00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:49,120 where Ken Myers won 346 his. I guess technically this is his 957 00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:51,480 first official Diamond League victory, right? 958 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,320 Because the 1500 in Paris wasn't a Diamond League event for some 959 00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,480 reason. So six days after running 3/28, 960 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:04,360 he led from 600 to go and closed the final 113. 961 00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:07,320 One yard neguse ended up finishing second. 962 00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:12,960 Ethan Strand, who was pretty far back, like at the bell, ended up 963 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:15,920 in 3rd and 346. Really strong showing for him. 964 00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,840 A little bit of a different execution from Cam, where he 965 00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,040 went to the front almost immediately in Paris. 966 00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:25,960 And then this time around, he waited a little bit longer. 967 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:32,040 And, yeah, he held off some guys who charge pretty hard in the 968 00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:35,680 final 200 meters. But he's, once again, I think, 969 00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,720 showing a variety of different skill sets in order to win these 970 00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:42,840 races. And so now, yeah, he's run 328 971 00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:48,880 and 346 in the same season, which if you go back to when 972 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:55,400 Jacob was 20 years old, he ran 328 at the Tokyo Olympics. 973 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:59,640 And then two weeks later he ran the Powerman, my own 347. 974 00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:05,960 So Cam Myers is showing lots of flashes of like 2021 Yaka being 975 00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:09,600 a Britain right now. He looked great, Yeah. 976 00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:18,480 I mean, he was fully in control the entire time and like 346 977 00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,640 doesn't surprise anyone, right? Like we obviously know that he 978 00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:24,960 was capable of that, but the fact that the last 100 was not 979 00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,840 even competitive like 1 when he went, he went. 980 00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:30,640 And so I want to check in on Preet. 981 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:33,320 Like are you impressed with his kick yet or is he still have 982 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,000 more work to do? No, he closed really well. 983 00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:40,240 I think Jared did miss the jump. Like he did not go around Hobbs, 984 00:55:40,240 --> 00:55:42,800 Kessler when he should have done or Farkin. 985 00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:44,200 He was like caught by yeah and. Yeah. 986 00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,600 And then Farkin moved out exactly when Jared moved out. 987 00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:49,360 So he blocked Jared's move as well. 988 00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,880 But then there was another opportunity for for Jared to go 989 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,640 by Hobbs Kessler and and he didn't. 990 00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:59,440 And that was that was, and that was the moment that Cam got 991 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,160 those two meters and he was just gone. 992 00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:08,400 And that was the race was over. So I, I just yeah, that that I 993 00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,200 so would have been interesting to see if if Jared had timed his 994 00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,600 move slightly better to see what what would have happened if he'd 995 00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:16,240 been able to put Cam under a little bit more pressure. 996 00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,280 But yeah, credit to Cam Myers. He got his tactics bang on. 997 00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:24,600 And I recently got into so I recently found that his coach 998 00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:27,720 Dick Telford is on Twitter, who he's he's an amazing follow on 999 00:56:27,720 --> 00:56:30,040 Twitter. And like he he kind of comments 1000 00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:33,120 quite like readily about the advice that he gave Cam Byers 1001 00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,960 just before the race. And it's actually a fascinating 1002 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:44,240 little let me pull it up. But yeah, he it was, it was, 1003 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,480 yeah, let me read this out because it is pretty cool. 1004 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:55,120 Where are we? It was simply a brief when the 1005 00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,960 pace withdraws, you'll be in the lead then Mum relaxed and strong 1006 00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,680 upfront. Find out fairly and squarely 1007 00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,920 who's the fittest on the day. That was the advice that his 1008 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,720 coach gave him just before. And yeah, I mean, but he's he's 1009 00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:09,600 an absolute legend. He's he's Dick Telford of that 1010 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,040 Aussie coaching scene. And yeah, this is. 1011 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,240 Yeah. Kyle, you were. 1012 00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:15,920 Just looking at a Strava, right? Yeah, I was. 1013 00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:19,000 Going to say, Speaking of good follows is Cam Myers on Strava, 1014 00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,320 who like doesn't have a lot of followers, which is crazy. 1015 00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:25,200 I I think I have Chris. We probably both have more 1016 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:28,960 followers on Strava than the best Myler in the world right 1017 00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:30,800 now, Arguably. Like I got to look. 1018 00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,200 This up, he boasts. Everything he does and it's like 1019 00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:37,960 very fascinating. I, I was saying to Chris and 1020 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:40,640 Mackerelia Preet, I was like, man, I really wish this whole 1021 00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:45,640 like mindset of not having to like leave races and workouts 1022 00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,160 existed back when I was running because he just doesn't work out 1023 00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:52,560 that hard. It's just like consistent blocks 1024 00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,760 of big training. So much threshold. 1025 00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,880 Like I think today he ran 10 by Kate 3 flat. 1026 00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,880 It's like, all right, well, like I think I might be able to do 1027 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,280 that. I can't run 346 and it's just 1028 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:10,120 such a fascinating thing to just see so many top athletes just 1029 00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,080 fully transparent about every single thing that they do Hobbs 1030 00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:16,400 Kessler as well. Great follow on Strava post 1031 00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,000 everything that he does very similar type of training to Cam 1032 00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:28,040 in ways, but like they just it it's like it just adds up and 1033 00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:30,800 it's it's great to see if I was a young athlete and had the 1034 00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:34,400 opportunity to follow my the day-to-day activity of Cam Myers 1035 00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,240 like what a lesson to be learned. 1036 00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:37,920 I'm sure he's. Going to pick up a bunch of 1037 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:41,200 followers after the shout out on the podcast, but as of right now 1038 00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:45,440 I'm just barely holding him off. He's got 8300 followers on 1039 00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,360 Strava and apparently I didn't realize this. 1040 00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,920 I've got 8400 followers. I didn't realize that many 1041 00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:51,600 people followed me. All right, you got. 1042 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:52,800 More than me, yeah. And. 1043 00:58:52,800 --> 00:58:57,240 Then Kyle, you've got what aren't, aren't you 10,000? 1044 00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,120 I don't think so. But yeah. 1045 00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,440 Anyway, like it's a it's a great Oh yeah, little you've got 5 1046 00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,320 background. Yeah, I got nothing. 1047 00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:09,840 No one wants to see four mile runs at 5:00 AM. 1048 00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:16,320 But yeah, I thought again, like overall such a good, impressive, 1049 00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:19,200 important, impressive performance from Cam and 1050 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,200 something to note from Strava, someone commented a couple days 1051 00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,000 ago basically being like, hey, are you going to do London or 1052 00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:29,920 like, is Josh letting you in? And so to dispel the rumors, Cam 1053 00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,840 confirms he was able to do London if you wanted. 1054 00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,640 He's just focusing on Commonwealth. 1055 00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,880 There's no backdoor politicking happening on that world record 1056 00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:40,240 attempt. You're. 1057 00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,160 All over Who's running Commonwealth and who's not? 1058 00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:45,800 Do I have this right? Commonwealth Games, This is 1059 00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,000 going to be a big test for Kim Myers. 1060 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:52,880 That's where he'll likely have Josh Kerr, Jake Whiteman, 1061 00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:55,760 Timothy Chariot. Who's? 1062 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,560 The other Kenyans, Reynolds. Chariot. 1063 00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:01,840 Reynolds Chariot you got 2. I think there's a third one 1064 01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:03,600 there might be. Is it Coleman, Coleman? 1065 01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:06,120 Brian Coleman I think is the third guy. 1066 01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:09,360 And then, yeah, there'll be a couple of English dudes, 1067 01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,400 there'll be Jake Hayward from Wales, they'll be who's running. 1068 01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:14,240 Really. Well, yeah, you found a result 1069 01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,120 by him, right? Yeah, I mean. 1070 01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:20,200 Jake Hayward very quietly becoming one of like the most 1071 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:23,200 interesting stories of the season. 1072 01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:27,120 So what was it five years ago? It was. 1073 01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:35,160 No, it's 2022, so 2026. 2022. Equals four years ago he ran 331 1074 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,200 O and was just like crushing. He did great and then he got 1075 01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:42,200 hurt and he's been out for years and now this season came back 1076 01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:46,000 and when I first saw that a result popped up of him earlier 1077 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,360 this season and he was in like the mid three 30s, it was like, 1078 01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:49,960 oh, that's great. Jake's back. 1079 01:00:49,960 --> 01:00:53,440 And then he just ran 332 O in France. 1080 01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:59,960 So love seeing him chug along. Guessing he's running for Wales 1081 01:00:59,960 --> 01:01:02,160 at the Commonwealth Games Pre yes. 1082 01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:03,920 He is, he is. He is indeed so. 1083 01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:08,000 Yeah, cheering him on. Olly Hall, who is the defending 1084 01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:09,600 champion Commonwealth Oh, he had a. 1085 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:14,400 Rough one, but he. Had a rough one in the B race in 1086 01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:21,840 the B mile on on Friday night. Two quick things on Baron or I 1087 01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,880 guess one quick thing. So first race for Gary Martin in 1088 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:30,920 a Brooks BS U348 PB and then Con Solomon first race as a pro for 1089 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:36,640 Nike ran 357 and. Why can't you figure out the the 1090 01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:40,360 in between right? A real good 800 runner, great 3K 1091 01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,320 runner, but just the middle one can't solve it. 1092 01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,440 This narrative continues to develop, but I do want to give 1093 01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:51,200 him a pass on this. I feel for athletes who make 1094 01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:54,600 these huge pro announcements right before races. 1095 01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,440 It's really difficult. Like in Gary, it worked out. 1096 01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,560 I mean, granted, he was, he was, I think a bit further down the 1097 01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:04,000 list and 10th than he wanted to be, but still around 3:48. 1098 01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,400 But it is a very emotional experience, like, especially for 1099 01:02:07,400 --> 01:02:11,240 a kid like Colin Solomon, like you wanted to be a professional 1100 01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,800 since you were probably 14 years old. 1101 01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:17,600 And the day it's like right before this huge race, this huge 1102 01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,560 opportunity, you get to announce to the world that you're finally 1103 01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,200 turning pro. And then it's like, get on out 1104 01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,000 there. And this happens all the time. 1105 01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:29,800 And people regularly flop right after announcing that they're 1106 01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,800 signing. And I just feel like we should 1107 01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,480 value the performance a little bit more than the PR moment. 1108 01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,920 And we should just give him a few days to like, enjoy the text 1109 01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,000 messages and Instagram comments before the race. 1110 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,400 So your. Solve is announce it a couple 1111 01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,400 days before the race. Yeah, doing it right. 1112 01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:50,840 Before it's like an emotional thing, like you finally hit post 1113 01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:55,440 like post, hey, guys, I achieved my lifelong dream and it's like, 1114 01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,680 all right, now take all that emotion and go out there and run 1115 01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,360 and like people flop on it all the time. 1116 01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:04,240 I mean, Gracie Morris just signed, like they announced that 1117 01:03:04,240 --> 01:03:06,000 she signed with Nike. Marco Langan. 1118 01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:09,680 Marco Langan like the IT happens all the time. 1119 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,480 And it's just like, just give the kids a few days to like 1120 01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:15,280 Jamal. Britt on the other hand, I mean, 1121 01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,080 yeah, he he was. Already a pro? 1122 01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,240 Yeah. But he signed with Nike, which 1123 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:21,600 was also a lifelong dream for him. 1124 01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,480 And yeah. He's been crushing. 1125 01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,200 It that's a good. One that you brought up, Kyle, I 1126 01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:31,800 guess let's talk Yard and Ethan Strand for a SEC. 1127 01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:34,840 Well, even Hobbs I think had a had a really solid showing here 1128 01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:36,920 'cause that was an outdoor PB for him. 1129 01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,520 But those are the top three Americans in this race. 1130 01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:44,800 Like what's that tell you heading into the US Championship 1131 01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:49,040 season, Cole ends up finishing 6th, 4th American on the day. 1132 01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:55,960 But as of right now is yard Ethan Hobbs the pecking order 1133 01:03:56,040 --> 01:04:01,000 like of US 1500 meter running? It just depends on the day. 1134 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,440 I think Garrett is unquestionably the top dog right 1135 01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:11,000 now, but it just five guys in one race from the US running 348 1136 01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,760 and faster. Like how quickly we have stopped 1137 01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:18,440 making that a big deal is, I mean, it's a testament to the 1138 01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,720 depth, but. These. 1139 01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:24,440 Guys, it's just how races play out because all you need is it 1140 01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,480 to be tactical and all of a sudden, like who knows what's 1141 01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:28,160 happening? Then you have a. 1142 01:04:28,160 --> 01:04:31,000 Jonah Kovich come out of nowhere and win it and then disappear. 1143 01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:33,800 The following year, Nathan Green look, if it's indoors, it's Luke 1144 01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:35,440 Houser. Maybe he's now in the mix like 1145 01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:38,760 the amount of 1500 American guys. 1146 01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:43,640 It's it really is just going to be about timing and we lost him 1147 01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:47,160 in Birnbaum in this one, but throw him in the mix too. 1148 01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:55,160 Like there's it's I still think Jared in a fast race has just 1149 01:04:55,160 --> 01:05:00,120 proven himself as being, you know, consistent and should 1150 01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,480 always be in that top mix. Cole again, like in a 1151 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,400 championship, it's hard to go against him. 1152 01:05:05,400 --> 01:05:10,560 But yeah, Ethan close so well and but I don't know what you 1153 01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:14,200 guys think of Hobbs getting on the pace and just trying from 1154 01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,000 the very beginning to be that. I found that important thing 1155 01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:21,640 'cause I was like, we, we really haven't seen too much out of him 1156 01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:23,080 actually. Like he was at some of the 1157 01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:27,120 European diamond leagues, right? But like, nothing all that crazy 1158 01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:29,880 so far. And so for him to assert himself 1159 01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:33,040 right behind the pacer was like, someone's got to do it or, or, 1160 01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:34,800 or or else this thing's going to lag. 1161 01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:38,000 And so no, that was, that was good to see. 1162 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,720 But he's typically done that. I think what last year, even in 1163 01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:43,120 the Bauerman Mile, he was also up towards a friend in the early 1164 01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:46,320 stages of the race. So I like that he's trying 1165 01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:49,760 things like that because in the past, what's it been at these 1166 01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:55,120 championships, he just defaults to find yard, stay on yard, and 1167 01:05:55,120 --> 01:05:57,200 your fitness will carry you to a team. 1168 01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:02,640 And so, yeah, it's a good sign because I think for him, it's 1169 01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,280 been it's been a quieter year when you've got so many other, 1170 01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:09,440 it's funny to say, younger people than Hobbes drawing a lot 1171 01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,800 of attention. It's it's a reminder this he's 1172 01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:16,160 still also, what, 23 at this point, still super young. 1173 01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:19,720 It's crazy. I guess the last point on this 1174 01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:22,040 Bowerman mile before, because we do have a bunch of other events 1175 01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:25,560 to to still touch on is the world record talk right leading 1176 01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:30,160 into the London Diamond League. What is Cam Myers 346 make you 1177 01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:36,320 think about how ambitious Josh's world record attempt is seeming? 1178 01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:40,680 Because if I don't know, like maybe Cam's in a bit. 1179 01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:47,960 Cam's fitter than the time reflects right, But Josh is not 1180 01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,040 racing any 1500 or mile before this and this is going to be the 1181 01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:55,480 first first go at it. What's the likelihood, I guess, 1182 01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:59,640 based off of seeing all these other guys run these times right 1183 01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,320 now? What's it tell you, Kyle, about 1184 01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:05,080 your expectations for Josh, 'cause it's getting closer? 1185 01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:07,960 It's 10 days away now, yeah. I think it's irrelevant. 1186 01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:14,400 We don't really have the races to compare Josh's current 1187 01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:19,560 fitness to others too. I mean, Jared has run 343 before 1188 01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:23,840 and so it's like it's not like we haven't seen those guys 1189 01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,960 there. The thing that I am encouraged 1190 01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:32,480 by is every single workout Josh posts, he's fired up about the 1191 01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:38,600 262 workout was so impressive that one that one giving some 1192 01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:42,480 serious hope to this record going down. 1193 01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:50,400 But also just like he just he, he's just like in his little 1194 01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:53,480 training camp and his altitude tent. 1195 01:07:53,480 --> 01:07:58,160 Did you see this headline about? He he's spending 12 hours a day 1196 01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:04,760 sitting in his altitude tent. I Don Cabral used to do that and 1197 01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:07,600 we would go into his tent and hang out with him because we 1198 01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,800 wanted to like see our roommate. And then eventually he just 1199 01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:15,920 didn't like our rental home. He turned his entire bedroom. 1200 01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:19,240 He sealed it off and turned it into an altitude room. 1201 01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,399 Galen. Rupp's house, I think is set to 1202 01:08:21,399 --> 01:08:23,240 yeah, do something like that too. 1203 01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:24,640 This was a much. Shittier house. 1204 01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:29,279 I imagine that Galen's house was just like a very shitty little 1205 01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:32,920 room that he sealed off and had like multiple generators going 1206 01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:34,760 so you could like live at 12,000 feet. 1207 01:08:35,399 --> 01:08:37,279 Pre Where's your confidence level at for Josh? 1208 01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,720 To be honest, like you can like literally every couple of days 1209 01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,680 there's a new article in one of the British papers about his 1210 01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:49,000 training and about what he's doing and clearly he's writing. 1211 01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,520 For one of them, right, It's a Telegraph that I think that 1212 01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:52,200 he's. Yeah. 1213 01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:54,359 I haven't been paying that much attention because half of them 1214 01:08:54,359 --> 01:08:56,000 behind the paywall. So I haven't read all of them, 1215 01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:03,160 but I think it, it's, you know, I, I just think he. 1216 01:09:04,240 --> 01:09:05,960 He is. Clearly very dialed in on this 1217 01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:07,680 and that that's what we know about Josh. 1218 01:09:07,680 --> 01:09:12,800 We're very familiar with Josh saying what he plans to do and 1219 01:09:12,800 --> 01:09:16,399 going out there, setting a stall out and then going out and and 1220 01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:20,240 to the great relations tank generally achieving his goals 1221 01:09:20,240 --> 01:09:22,640 right. He was you know, I'm going to 1222 01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:25,399 win wild indoors, then I'm going to go chase this world record 1223 01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:27,080 and then I'm going to go win Commonwealth Games. 1224 01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:30,880 And he's done the first of those against a loaded field at Wild 1225 01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:34,680 indoors. He's, you know, he didn't show 1226 01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:39,279 up to, to British camps as well, which is unusual because even 1227 01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:44,160 the king invited him, right. But he, yeah. 1228 01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:48,120 So he's, he's dialled in. And I think that means we'll 1229 01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:53,520 we'll see a good show whether 343 or 342 is on the cards. 1230 01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:58,200 Like, yeah, that that is tricky. It depends on conditions on the 1231 01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,160 day. We have a another heat wave 1232 01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:04,000 landing in the UK right now that's supposed to last for the 1233 01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:07,600 next 10 days. So it breaks just the day. 1234 01:10:07,640 --> 01:10:11,200 Of the day before. The day or two before. 1235 01:10:11,400 --> 01:10:14,160 So who knows what that means for the weather conditions. 1236 01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:17,720 But yeah, so. And I think, yeah, that is the 1237 01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:19,520 thing, right? Like, if the weather's terrible, 1238 01:10:20,360 --> 01:10:22,760 it is going to become difficult and you just don't know, right? 1239 01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,600 So there are, there are obviously multiple factors in 1240 01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,080 it. I think he'll put on a good 1241 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,280 show, whatever he does. That's what Josh knows how to 1242 01:10:30,280 --> 01:10:32,880 do. Even if he doesn't achieve it, 1243 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:36,600 he will be gunning for it. And I really want to see who 1244 01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:37,840 else is in that field. Right. 1245 01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:39,160 Yeah, We still. Don't know because like they 1246 01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:42,640 haven't announced anybody. It's I think the the same same 1247 01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,840 crew who like handed out the Ndas for Taylor Swift's wedding 1248 01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:50,160 or handling the Ndas for the Mile at the London Diamond. 1249 01:10:50,160 --> 01:10:52,200 The Mile. Yeah, the 800, we've got a 1250 01:10:52,200 --> 01:10:55,160 couple of names, but yeah, even the 800 as well, it's still a 1251 01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:56,480 bit of a mystery. Just a mystery. 1252 01:10:56,480 --> 01:10:57,880 We know who attended Taylor Swift's wedding. 1253 01:10:57,880 --> 01:11:00,200 We have no idea who's going to run the London Diamond League. 1254 01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:03,480 But yeah, I mean that that, yeah, that's it. 1255 01:11:03,480 --> 01:11:06,760 Because we know full well Jake Whiteman is not, he's running 1256 01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:08,960 the 8800 there. He's not running the mile. 1257 01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:15,120 So yeah, no idea. But yeah, I'm, I'm looking 1258 01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,400 forward to seeing whatever he does because he always puts on a 1259 01:11:17,400 --> 01:11:19,320 show. All right, let's get on to the 1260 01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,800 the other big character for the London Diamond League, which 1261 01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:26,840 will be Kelly Hodgkinson because she lost this weekend. 1262 01:11:26,920 --> 01:11:31,200 Lillian Odeira. Peter once again wins the pre 1263 01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:38,680 classic 800 and 156.19, beating Keely 15673 second time in two 1264 01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:41,760 major races of course the first being the 2025 World 1265 01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:45,600 Championship final in Tokyo where Lillian O'deer ran a 1266 01:11:45,640 --> 01:11:51,400 massive PB to win gold. So I guess like the takeaways 1267 01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:55,160 with Odira are pretty simple. It's just sort of that she's an 1268 01:11:55,160 --> 01:11:58,400 established name at this point. Some of the earlier races this 1269 01:11:58,400 --> 01:12:01,240 year weren't looking so great. But then this time around, I 1270 01:12:01,240 --> 01:12:03,840 mean, big statement victory, first time racing at the Pre 1271 01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:07,800 Classic, first time racing in the United States, back-to-back 1272 01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:11,360 victories over Keely. Now whether she can replicate 1273 01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:15,160 that championship form come the World Ultimate Championships 1274 01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:18,200 will probably be a big tell. Also I guess like Diamond League 1275 01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:21,840 final before that she hasn't been announced for London. 1276 01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,560 Diamond Legashi pre Lily no dear. 1277 01:12:25,440 --> 01:12:28,600 No, no. But I I would be very surprised 1278 01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,800 if she was invited. That would. 1279 01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:32,440 Yeah, it sort of. That would be wild. 1280 01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:38,840 Keely was. Visibly compromised in this one 1281 01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:42,960 because you could see even from the day before, she was shaking 1282 01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:47,720 out with some heavy bandaging on on both of her knees after a 1283 01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:55,240 fall in practice about 5:00 or so days before it was on the 1284 01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:57,760 cooldown. She fell pretty bad, scrapes to 1285 01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,000 the knees. And she said this all came out 1286 01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:04,640 after the race. But she said that had the race 1287 01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,080 been 24 hours before, she likely would not have raced. 1288 01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:12,000 It was, you know, a struggle to even walk, which kind of, you 1289 01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,120 know, makes it more interesting given the fact that the day 1290 01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:17,920 before, during the previous press conference, Paul Hoff 1291 01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:21,160 Mahoney asked her to sort of like, because of the hamstring 1292 01:13:21,160 --> 01:13:25,760 issue that popped up at the British championships, Did you 1293 01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:27,240 miss any sort of days of practice? 1294 01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:31,640 And she said, no, you know, two days later, she was back to 1295 01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:35,880 doing a workout. So All in all, the hamstring 1296 01:13:35,880 --> 01:13:40,200 issue that we thought was going to be a problem is, you know, 1297 01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:42,600 definitely in the rear view mirror it was just sort of 1298 01:13:42,600 --> 01:13:45,840 whatever how it looked like a pretty nasty fall based on the 1299 01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:51,400 cuts on her on her knees. But that clearly I think had an 1300 01:13:51,400 --> 01:13:53,920 impact on her. She said she really, I guess, 1301 01:13:53,920 --> 01:13:57,760 didn't necessarily feel it during during the race, but you 1302 01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:01,480 could see, I mean, she was bandaged up with the KT tape. 1303 01:14:01,480 --> 01:14:08,160 And yeah, I mean, 15673 is well off of the, you know, the 1:54 1304 01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:09,960 that we've seen earlier this season. 1305 01:14:09,960 --> 01:14:16,120 But again, she also kind of pointed to needing to get kind 1306 01:14:16,120 --> 01:14:19,120 of her head right after this race. 1307 01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:23,400 Like if you haven't done so, maybe we can drop it into the 1308 01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:27,360 podcast here. Her post race interview after 1309 01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:32,120 this race was pretty talent was pretty honest and open given, 1310 01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:34,640 you know, just sort of what she'd been going through. 1311 01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,120 I could think within the past week your. 1312 01:14:37,200 --> 01:14:37,880 Thoughts. On the effort. 1313 01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,800 Shocking, to be honest. Wasn't that good. 1314 01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,080 I don't know. It's been a bit of a week. 1315 01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:47,480 These taped up took a bad fall last week. 1316 01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:49,760 So four days ago I couldn't even walk. 1317 01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,840 So I guess I should take that to be able to line up that. 1318 01:14:54,000 --> 01:14:55,520 Yeah, I want to go a lot more than that. 1319 01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:57,800 Yeah, I. Mean but yeah, you've been doing 1320 01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,160 one of the season ups and downs and you always. 1321 01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:02,440 Bounce back. So I think you will continue to 1322 01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:05,400 do that, right? Yeah, I hope so, because the 1323 01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:06,720 emotions are quite rough straight after. 1324 01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:08,960 So yeah, it's a bit of a tough one. 1325 01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:13,280 I can't even really remember it. So I'll talk to coach and see 1326 01:15:13,280 --> 01:15:16,080 how I felt and yeah, I'll just focus on the next one. 1327 01:15:16,360 --> 01:15:17,920 When did? You know you'd be able to run. 1328 01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,320 Yesterday, 2 days ago happened just before I flew out. 1329 01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:26,880 It took a really bad fall. I want to cool down. 1330 01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:30,600 Luckily no bruises, but some deep cuts. 1331 01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:34,120 But the swelling, like be surprised what you need your 1332 01:15:34,120 --> 01:15:36,480 knees for, you know, bending down, standing up. 1333 01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:39,000 So it's not been anywhere near ideal. 1334 01:15:39,000 --> 01:15:43,480 But I still thought, you know, I haven't lost anything and I'm 1335 01:15:43,480 --> 01:15:45,400 still fit. So I thought I would just put 1336 01:15:45,400 --> 01:15:46,600 together a better performance and that. 1337 01:15:46,600 --> 01:15:51,480 But yeah, sport sometimes. Did you feel the impact on your 1338 01:15:51,480 --> 01:15:53,640 knees during the race at all? No. 1339 01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:57,200 I think I arrived just in time, like the race had been two hours 1340 01:15:57,200 --> 01:15:59,120 prior, maybe a bit more uncomfortable. 1341 01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,120 Managed to run yesterday and felt pretty good. 1342 01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:05,120 But yeah, I guess when you're racing this Carver, people like 1343 01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:09,480 any little thing can. It's not really ideal so, but it 1344 01:16:09,480 --> 01:16:11,120 is what it is. I just did the best I could with 1345 01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:14,400 the cards I was dealt with. And you have a world record 1346 01:16:14,400 --> 01:16:16,280 attempt coming up in a couple of weeks here. 1347 01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:18,760 Do you know who's going to be your competitors in that race? 1348 01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:20,120 I. Couldn't even tell you. 1349 01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:22,200 I have no idea. I'm just excited to. 1350 01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:24,600 Obviously George has been announced to me and you will 1351 01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:27,480 I'll take to a home crowd which I'm always excited about and 1352 01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:29,600 hopefully I can do a little bit better over there. 1353 01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:32,520 So what's the? Next two weeks going to look 1354 01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:35,640 like for you in training. I think just getting. 1355 01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:40,000 A bit of confidence back and put together some good sessions and 1356 01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:42,560 just mentally preparing. I think something like this, 1357 01:16:43,200 --> 01:16:45,560 it's all up here. So yeah, I'll do my best about 1358 01:16:45,640 --> 01:16:49,640 back from this. So there's a couple things. 1359 01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:51,360 That's right. One, it's the fall and the 1360 01:16:51,360 --> 01:16:54,680 knees. 2. It's like, yeah, the loss to 1361 01:16:54,680 --> 01:16:57,000 Audrey. Well, shook her up for sure. 1362 01:16:57,000 --> 01:17:00,200 Like it's no longer just sort of Keely's on top and this record 1363 01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:02,200 is going to get handed to you on a silver platter. 1364 01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:06,640 Like you've got multiple people that you're going to have to 1365 01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:11,240 fight for this thing. And so, yeah, Preet, what did 1366 01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:13,320 you make of of Keely's performance? 1367 01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:15,680 I. Think, look, we, she was 1368 01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:18,400 obviously she'd had this fall, she had it the day before she 1369 01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:21,320 flew out. The worst thing you can do with 1370 01:17:21,320 --> 01:17:25,680 scrapes and swelling is to go on a flight because obviously it 1371 01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:28,760 kind of then affects your because you, you know, you get 1372 01:17:28,760 --> 01:17:31,920 blood clots, you get like, you know, dead legs on flights. 1373 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,680 So that's the worst, literally the worst thing you can do. 1374 01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:39,000 Or if you're if you're kind of your, your knee or whatever, any 1375 01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:42,360 part of you swelling up after after a fall. 1376 01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:47,280 So that probably wasn't ideal. And I imagine that's why it, it 1377 01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:50,600 probably took her a few days then once she got to the US to, 1378 01:17:50,600 --> 01:17:55,080 to recover from that. So that being said, I think, 1379 01:17:56,280 --> 01:17:57,840 well, I think what this shows right? 1380 01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:02,080 Like as you can see, there is a very clear separation right 1381 01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:06,800 between Keely, Lily, Nadira. Audrey. 1382 01:18:06,800 --> 01:18:11,600 Waro George Hunter Bell and probably bunker ball at this 1383 01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:15,520 point and the rest of the women's 800 Mia field right. 1384 01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:19,280 You could see like Lillian and Keely like a compromised. 1385 01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:25,600 Keely had a massive gap on this field right And she ran in 156 1386 01:18:25,920 --> 01:18:29,120 like yeah, in in that kind of shape. 1387 01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:34,760 And I think it and and obviously obviously not helped by the 1388 01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:41,280 horrific pacing job which going out in 53 five, like I don't 1389 01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:45,960 know whether like this person realized that there were pacing 1390 01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:48,480 lights which tell you where you're supposed to run and I 1391 01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:50,520 know you felt was. Very high last episode on the 1392 01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:53,920 fact that Paris peoples was tasked for this thing and then 1393 01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,160 all of a sudden that backfired massively. 1394 01:18:56,440 --> 01:18:59,240 She did have to start in lane 9, which means like when you make 1395 01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:01,200 the break across all the way to to lane one. 1396 01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:05,040 Here I am defending her like you probably aren't in a position to 1397 01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:09,760 see the lights all that clearly. And so regardless, it was a, you 1398 01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:11,720 know, butcher and his job. Yeah. 1399 01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:14,680 Well, even then, like the point is right, yes, you tend to go 1400 01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:17,360 out a little bit quicker just so that people get the opportunity 1401 01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:19,960 to get strung out. But then you kind of hold the 1402 01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,520 pace a little bit so that you let the lights catch up and then 1403 01:19:22,520 --> 01:19:25,400 you you kind of go that's that's the idea. 1404 01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:28,240 And yeah, unfortunately Paris peoples, she's like. 1405 01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:31,040 Let's go out in 24 five. You guys are going to love this. 1406 01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:35,520 She was a 400 meter runner pacing and it was and and to be 1407 01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:38,000 honest, like most of the paces for these eight hundreds are, 1408 01:19:38,480 --> 01:19:42,040 you know, are 400 meter runners, right. 1409 01:19:42,120 --> 01:19:47,040 But but yeah, she obviously misjudged this one, 1410 01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:48,640 unfortunately, which which didn't help. 1411 01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:51,000 Thankfully, Sanu Jalou Lockhart was there. 1412 01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:54,160 And I want to give her some credit, like an impressive pro 1413 01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:56,200 debut for her, I have to have to say. 1414 01:19:56,200 --> 01:20:00,440 Like she looked at home in this pro field, she came forth. 1415 01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:02,760 She was leading it out as well, obviously. 1416 01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:05,320 And I think that helped Keely a little bit because she then at 1417 01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:09,040 least had a pacer for a little bit effectively. 1418 01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:13,480 And and then she took it at the bell and Lalia Nadira came with 1419 01:20:13,480 --> 01:20:15,520 her. And yeah, I mean, as I say, I 1420 01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:16,880 don't think it was. It was a bad performance. 1421 01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:23,080 What I still what I guess we still don't know 100%, is Lilian 1422 01:20:23,080 --> 01:20:26,560 Dara winning this race? Does this mean Lilian Nadira in 1423 01:20:26,680 --> 01:20:29,480 a 154 race? Is she still in the kind of 1424 01:20:29,480 --> 01:20:34,640 shape that she would be able to kick by Achilli or get close to 1425 01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:40,000 Audrey Warrow? Or is she in 156 shape and that 1426 01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:43,400 was therefore, you know, the right race for her to win? 1427 01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:46,080 We don't know the answer to that. 1428 01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:49,200 And so I want to see more of Lillian Hadira to see. 1429 01:20:49,880 --> 01:20:51,400 But it looks like she's in decent shape. 1430 01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:54,360 Like obviously having not won her first couple of races, 1431 01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:57,360 obviously she did one win, I think Kenyan champs, but to to 1432 01:20:57,360 --> 01:21:00,000 get selective Commonwealth. But it will be fascinating to 1433 01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,480 see her go up against Georgia Hunter Bell at the Commonwealth 1434 01:21:02,480 --> 01:21:06,680 Games that that's going to be a really tasty mash up. 1435 01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:10,680 I've got their solution to their pacing problem. 1436 01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:15,000 Just you should have just put Michaela Rose into this race 1437 01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:18,800 like there you go. Like that would have been much, 1438 01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,200 much better than Paris peoples pace job. 1439 01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:22,880 Kyle, what did this race tell you? 1440 01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,280 I just wrote a piece that will be published in the Lab Count 1441 01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:30,880 about Marcel Jacobs and which we haven't touched on yet, but him 1442 01:21:30,880 --> 01:21:34,760 running the second, I guess becoming the second fastest 1443 01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:40,440 person all conditions ever. And you ran 967 with a + 4.1 1444 01:21:40,440 --> 01:21:44,240 wind. And the perspective I took away 1445 01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:50,360 from that was now at this point in his career when Marcel won 1446 01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:52,640 the Olympics, it was very much like who? 1447 01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:54,600 Like, where'd this guy come from? 1448 01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:59,200 But now five years later, and granted it's a windy time, he's 1449 01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,960 still putting up performances that are relevant. 1450 01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:05,840 Like you made a graphic so it's relevant enough, right? 1451 01:22:05,840 --> 01:22:12,360 So now in retrospect, we know who he is and his story and he's 1452 01:22:12,360 --> 01:22:18,480 won many medals at this point across Europeans and Olympics 1453 01:22:18,480 --> 01:22:22,200 and worlds. Like he has his medals and nine 1454 01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,840 of them, I believe, global champ, like European world and 1455 01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:30,680 Olympic. But that first one, like, where 1456 01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:34,440 did this come from? And Lillian Odira kind of came 1457 01:22:34,440 --> 01:22:37,240 out at the World Championships last year. 1458 01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:42,720 Now this in retrospect, validates that win for me a 1459 01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:44,360 little bit more. Now she's winning diamond 1460 01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:46,520 leagues and she's beating Keely again. 1461 01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,840 And so whereas last year a lot of us were probably like, who is 1462 01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:55,120 this like, what a fluke victory like this is out of left field. 1463 01:22:55,120 --> 01:22:58,240 It's like, all right, no, that was just that was when she was 1464 01:22:58,240 --> 01:23:00,440 announced to the world. And now we know who she is. 1465 01:23:00,440 --> 01:23:04,600 And now she's got, you know, another year of strong 1466 01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:06,440 performances that has some staying power. 1467 01:23:06,440 --> 01:23:08,800 So this is a really big run for her. 1468 01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:13,400 For that reason, when I look back at the World Championships 1469 01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:17,640 last year and how I contextualize that I have. 1470 01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:21,200 The same problem as I had with the with the mile, right, in 1471 01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:24,320 that being Faith Kapiagon in a compromised state and beating 1472 01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:27,920 Keith Hawkinson compromised state is not the same as being 1473 01:23:27,920 --> 01:23:30,360 them when they are fully fit and healthy. 1474 01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:33,720 And I just want to see that those are the races I want to 1475 01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:35,680 see. And yes, OK, you know, 1476 01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:38,640 circumstances have conspired to to mean that we haven't got 1477 01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:41,400 those races. But that's where I think we 1478 01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,720 therefore can't read as much into those performances as we 1479 01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:48,200 might like, Yes. I hear you, but Addison Wiley, 1480 01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:50,920 Eddie Wiley just won a Diamond League, right? 1481 01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:54,240 Senator Jalu just ran the collegiate record. 1482 01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:56,560 According to Chris, then Subway is the biggest meet in the 1483 01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:00,320 entire world. Then New Balance Nationals 1484 01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:07,920 Outdoor got it sponsored. NS Bourgeois just ran 155. 1485 01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,440 Well, Odira beat her, so it's like, all right, well, like, how 1486 01:24:11,440 --> 01:24:15,440 many people does she have to beat at their very, very best? 1487 01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:18,480 And look, it's not like Keely dropped out. 1488 01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:22,360 It's not like Keely ran 2O four if you're in 156. 1489 01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:24,960 Like, look at her career. She's running 156. 1490 01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,400 A lot of times. It's like, obviously we think 1491 01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:31,040 she can run faster, but it's not like some crazy outlier 1492 01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:33,640 performance for her, like finishing second and running 1493 01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:35,720 156. Like, yeah, it's not her best 1494 01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:40,000 day, but it wasn't, yeah, it wasn't the worst thing ever. 1495 01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,720 Like, yeah, she came in second to someone she lost to last 1496 01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:43,480 year. It happens. 1497 01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:45,480 Yeah. Well, different strokes, 1498 01:24:45,480 --> 01:24:48,760 different folks here where we're like, I feel like I'm just 1499 01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:50,440 wired. I think more differently than 1500 01:24:50,440 --> 01:24:55,360 Preet here to I'd for me, I'm not going to diminish the 1501 01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:57,760 person's victory over someone who's not healthy. 1502 01:24:57,760 --> 01:25:00,640 I'm in fact, I think for me, I'm more likely to just praise the 1503 01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:04,760 person who is injured and still happens to run really crazy 1504 01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,160 fast. Like, I think 156, while still 1505 01:25:07,160 --> 01:25:11,800 being injured is probably where I shift my attention towards 1506 01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:17,600 more than saying, oh, Lillian Odira, it's victory doesn't mean 1507 01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:22,600 as much because of, you know, the the state that Keely was in. 1508 01:25:22,600 --> 01:25:25,560 It's sort of like, I'll take each one and like you look at 1509 01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:29,960 the body of the field and then also you can then you, I think 1510 01:25:29,960 --> 01:25:32,400 individualize your assessment on each person. 1511 01:25:32,400 --> 01:25:36,800 So, yeah, I mean, we'll, we'll find out more, I guess in from 1512 01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:41,360 what state Keely is actually in 10 days from now where she goes 1513 01:25:41,360 --> 01:25:44,160 after this world record. It seems like the world record 1514 01:25:44,440 --> 01:25:47,240 thing is still on. If we get a black and white 1515 01:25:47,240 --> 01:25:52,320 photo with a caption that says she withdraws from it, like it's 1516 01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:53,480 understandable. You can't. 1517 01:25:53,480 --> 01:25:55,560 Do black and white for withdrawing. 1518 01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:59,440 You save black and white for something else season. 1519 01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:02,000 Well, I'm not saying we're, that's what we're going to do. 1520 01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:03,440 That's what an athlete might do, OK. 1521 01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:05,600 I thought I was like, no, you cannot black, no. 1522 01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:09,320 We reserve our black and white photos for like, the passing of 1523 01:26:09,320 --> 01:26:12,200 people. 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Happy running. 1564 01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:39,880 All right, Speaking of sprints, let's get into the women's 100, 1565 01:28:40,200 --> 01:28:45,320 which like we looked at the start list and we knew that it 1566 01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:48,200 was going to be Melissa Jefferson Wooden versus Shakira 1567 01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:53,440 Richardson versus a Deja Hodge. And they absolutely delivered on 1568 01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:58,040 this one because I've watched it and I was like, I think Shakiri 1569 01:28:58,040 --> 01:29:02,120 won. And then a few minutes later it, 1570 01:29:02,120 --> 01:29:05,360 well, it was a photo finish. They take their time to review 1571 01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:07,440 it. And actually it was Melissa 1572 01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:10,760 Jefferson Wooden who closed hard enough to end and leaned at the 1573 01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:16,920 finish line to win in 1078 over Shakira Richton 1079 at Deja 1574 01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:20,960 Hodge was really making up ground in those final stages. 1575 01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:27,280 She was third in in 1080. But the Clayton twins, only one 1576 01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,840 of them made it. Sorry, Preet you. 1577 01:29:29,840 --> 01:29:32,240 That was your prediction. Tina Clayton ended up finishing 1578 01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:36,560 fifth. Kyle, you went MJW or did I went 1579 01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:39,120 MJWI think we both did. Yeah. 1580 01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:42,160 Kyle I I. Always go MJW, yeah. 1581 01:29:43,360 --> 01:29:47,120 But I mean, there's some fireworks. 1582 01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:50,320 I think after this one. You could tell Melissa Jefferson 1583 01:29:50,320 --> 01:29:52,800 Wooden was pretty fired up after this one. 1584 01:29:53,080 --> 01:29:56,240 There's she goes head to head. Well, actually, we don't know if 1585 01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,120 she goes head to head, which you carry in practice. 1586 01:29:58,120 --> 01:30:01,520 Like it's gotten to the point where you know, when they're 1587 01:30:02,360 --> 01:30:05,960 this big of talents and personalities, There's there. 1588 01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:09,280 Could. Be a point where coach Dennis 1589 01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:12,200 Mitchell has to schedule separate practices for people 1590 01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:14,680 like that. Wouldn't be shocking if we 1591 01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:18,240 learned that over the last couple years for sure, anytime 1592 01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:20,840 Melissa Jefferson would and has been asked about just sort of 1593 01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:22,840 what's it like training with like your biggest competition? 1594 01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:26,640 She has been super respectful of, you know, Shakari. 1595 01:30:26,640 --> 01:30:29,720 But at some point the gloves have have to come off, right? 1596 01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:35,720 And I think when I tweeted the race video out, I, I, I just 1597 01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:38,800 kind of phrased it as we've been waiting for these two to be at 1598 01:30:38,800 --> 01:30:41,560 100% for a while. And this is finally it. 1599 01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:44,560 It's finally that point. Maybe you can make the argument 1600 01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:49,560 that like they were there in 2024 because both of them ended 1601 01:30:49,560 --> 01:30:55,480 up on the Olympic podium. But Melissa, Melissa Jefferson 1602 01:30:55,480 --> 01:30:59,920 would in 2024 versus 2025 and 2026 different athlete. 1603 01:30:59,960 --> 01:31:06,480 And so I mean, we've got this domestic rivalry now. 1604 01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,840 I think a Dasia's not going away anytime soon. 1605 01:31:10,600 --> 01:31:13,880 Julian Alfred was the biggest name missing from this race. 1606 01:31:13,880 --> 01:31:17,360 But this was just like a sneak preview of what we could get at 1607 01:31:17,360 --> 01:31:20,240 the Ultimate championships because I don't know, after 1608 01:31:20,240 --> 01:31:24,280 this, like, if, you know, we'll get to see Melissa versus Jacari 1609 01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:26,840 all too many times until they're, you know, forced to 1610 01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:28,680 race each other at a championship. 1611 01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:30,120 Right, Kyle? Yeah. 1612 01:31:30,120 --> 01:31:31,920 I. Mean if you go through the 1613 01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:35,040 amount of times that they have raced each other, it's not a lot 1614 01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:38,400 outside of major championship, not as. 1615 01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:42,160 Much as Peres, Tremutai and Winfrey, and I think that's by. 1616 01:31:42,160 --> 01:31:44,720 Design. I mean, look, maybe the camera 1617 01:31:44,720 --> 01:31:47,040 didn't catch it, but I didn't see them shake hands after. 1618 01:31:47,720 --> 01:31:51,520 And good for the sport. That's fun. 1619 01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:57,280 You know, often times when 2 teammates cross the line and are 1620 01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:01,400 neck and neck, there's a little celebration together or some 1621 01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:05,040 laughing or this or that. I think we got a little rivalry 1622 01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:10,920 brewing here and I mean, Melissa leaned very well. 1623 01:32:10,920 --> 01:32:15,720 Shakari didn't just ran through the line and that was ultimately 1624 01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:18,880 the difference. But look, 10 more meters, five 1625 01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:22,080 more meters, a deja was charging. 1626 01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:30,240 This was a fascinating race and it shows. 1 Chris, you had 1627 01:32:30,240 --> 01:32:33,680 mentioned you weren't going to read into Shakari running on 1628 01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:36,760 like a high school track. This backs it up. 1629 01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:40,480 Now, now we feel good about it. Now we feel like that high 1630 01:32:40,480 --> 01:32:43,840 school track was 100 meters. It was legit like we see it 1631 01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:47,720 first competition and she carries back in her start looked 1632 01:32:47,960 --> 01:32:50,720 a lot better than we have seen at times. 1633 01:32:50,720 --> 01:32:54,200 So top and speed is there, starts looking strong. 1634 01:32:55,480 --> 01:32:58,480 It's going to be a very interesting next couple of 1635 01:32:58,480 --> 01:33:02,160 months. Melissa was saying what 10-5 in 1636 01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:04,680 a press conference is. Possible. 1637 01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:10,320 It's possible when you've got to feel like, OK, Julian, Alfred, 1638 01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:12,600 most Jefferson, wouldn't you carry Richardson and Deja Hodge? 1639 01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:14,960 That's four names, three medals, like and they're all fully 1640 01:33:14,960 --> 01:33:18,160 capable of going 10-8. Like it's sure. 1641 01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:20,480 I mean, I think there's they're all fully capable of going 1642 01:33:20,480 --> 01:33:24,800 10710, seven low at the at these championships. 1643 01:33:26,200 --> 01:33:29,520 And then the other side to to this whole entire thing too is 1644 01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:34,840 yeah, she carries fully back. I wonder if this is just sort of 1645 01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:39,960 like, oh, crap, like I you can't just give races up at the finish 1646 01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:44,800 line. It it even, I think David pulled 1647 01:33:44,800 --> 01:33:50,160 up the photo of Budapest 2023 where she won there and like, 1648 01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:52,000 was celebrating just before the finish line. 1649 01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:54,240 But Sharika Jackson was like, closing pretty hard. 1650 01:33:54,240 --> 01:33:58,680 She's never been 1 to get too many of these photo finishes. 1651 01:33:58,680 --> 01:34:03,520 Shikari's always kind of like, very clearly winning at times or 1652 01:34:03,520 --> 01:34:08,840 she's way off the back. So I wonder what this does for, 1653 01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:11,680 you know, future races, if it's like, oh, all right, like I got 1654 01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:15,240 to be prepared to just like, even at the at the very end, you 1655 01:34:15,240 --> 01:34:19,640 know, Lean Preet, does this keep. 1656 01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:24,600 Yeah, I guess for you MJW still number one in the world, But 1657 01:34:24,600 --> 01:34:29,040 what to tell you about Shikari? Well, I mean, MJW has not been 1658 01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:32,720 beaten in 100m race now since the Olympic final. 1659 01:34:33,840 --> 01:34:36,440 She continues that streak. Obviously she didn't race after 1660 01:34:36,440 --> 01:34:40,560 the Olympics in 2024 and then went unbeaten over 100 meters in 1661 01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:43,240 in 2025. Yeah. 1662 01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:47,160 I mean, you, you you can't help but be impressed by that given 1663 01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:51,360 the competition she has faced. She has raced everyone. 1664 01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:55,600 She's even this season she has raced like top competition. 1665 01:34:56,080 --> 01:35:00,360 And yeah, she, she beat Shakari, even though, you know, yeah, 1666 01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:03,040 that a dip from Shakari could have ended that. 1667 01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:05,760 But yeah, I mean, I think this is what we wanted to see. 1668 01:35:05,760 --> 01:35:08,320 There was the passion at the end, both of them. 1669 01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:10,880 You know, when she, Kerry thought she had won, she was 1670 01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:13,160 getting really excited. And then when Melissa won, she 1671 01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:17,080 got really excited. And yeah, there was clearly a 1672 01:35:17,080 --> 01:35:20,040 lot of passion there for that win. 1673 01:35:20,120 --> 01:35:24,600 And that's what we like to see, that energy, it makes it makes 1674 01:35:24,600 --> 01:35:28,320 it interesting. And Shakiri being back makes the 1675 01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:30,000 women's 100 meters all the more interesting. 1676 01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:34,280 I mean, I think we've got a really good cast of characters. 1677 01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:36,760 You know, we've got Melissa, we've got Shakiri, we've got a 1678 01:35:36,760 --> 01:35:40,200 danger up and coming. We've got Janelle Smith of 1679 01:35:40,200 --> 01:35:42,480 Jamaica, who is just getting better and better with every 1680 01:35:42,480 --> 01:35:45,720 race, which is an interesting kind of development there. 1681 01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:49,960 But Sharika Jackson and the Clayton twins are also perfectly 1682 01:35:49,960 --> 01:35:53,560 capable of running 10/8 low 10/7 as well. 1683 01:35:53,560 --> 01:36:00,080 So you know that there's just so much, you know, there's just a 1684 01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:01,520 lot there. And then Julian Alfred is 1685 01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:06,080 obviously there and wanting to, to reclaim her place at the top 1686 01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:09,720 of the the podium. So I think it, it really is 1687 01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:14,240 lining up to be a fascinating, if we can get as many of these 1688 01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:18,320 ladies as possible lining up at World Ultimates, that would be 1689 01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:21,120 phenomenal. I think Julian has said she's 1690 01:36:21,120 --> 01:36:23,240 not doing Commonwealth. Elaine is no longer doing 1691 01:36:23,240 --> 01:36:24,840 Commonwealth. So there's there's not really 1692 01:36:24,840 --> 01:36:26,960 any interesting match up at Commonwealth Games anymore, I 1693 01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:32,360 don't think, unfortunately. But yeah, we'll we'll have to 1694 01:36:32,360 --> 01:36:35,680 see hopefully at World Ultimates and in the the remaining Diamond 1695 01:36:35,680 --> 01:36:37,680 Leagues what what matchups we can get. 1696 01:36:39,200 --> 01:36:41,720 All right, shifting gears. Men's 100. 1697 01:36:41,840 --> 01:36:52,760 Kinsola Ajai 984 beats oblique Seville who's 2nd 989 tie Ajayi 1698 01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:59,800 ties his PB and his national record super like for someone 1699 01:36:59,800 --> 01:37:02,440 who just won the NCAA championship, this is just like 1700 01:37:02,440 --> 01:37:05,080 reaffirming I guess like this this was a storyline all 1701 01:37:05,080 --> 01:37:07,720 throughout because they get Deja Oakley I think the day before 1702 01:37:07,720 --> 01:37:12,240 like the kids coming off of the NCA championships are still on a 1703 01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:16,360 tear. And so the NCA ranks 1704 01:37:16,360 --> 01:37:19,560 familiarizes you with some of these names and then they go on 1705 01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:23,560 and back it up come the their first time up against pros. 1706 01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:27,000 And so yeah, this was an impressive 1. 1707 01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:32,280 Where what is it? Where does it put Ajayi kind of 1708 01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:34,920 like on the. The power. 1709 01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:38,480 Rankings of men's 100 meter sprinters Kyle like is is that 1710 01:37:38,480 --> 01:37:43,160 one where where is Noah like in relation to these guys? 1711 01:37:43,160 --> 01:37:46,720 Oblique was I, I, I thought going to be the favorite coming 1712 01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:47,880 into this one. I mean, he finished second, 1713 01:37:47,880 --> 01:37:51,080 which is still really, really good, but Jai, he just executed 1714 01:37:51,080 --> 01:37:53,760 this one better. I think that this is just going 1715 01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:56,400 to be the story of the year across a few different events of 1716 01:37:56,720 --> 01:37:58,640 who do you weigh at the end of it all? 1717 01:37:58,640 --> 01:38:01,040 The whoever wins the World Ultimate Championships, whoever 1718 01:38:01,040 --> 01:38:03,520 has the world leading time, whoever wins the most diamond 1719 01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:07,400 leagues. I mean, I like oblique right now 1720 01:38:07,400 --> 01:38:09,840 and where he's developing and where he's going. 1721 01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:13,080 I'd probably take him in September over a college kid who 1722 01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:16,960 was peaking last month. But right now, Jai like has 1723 01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:20,800 proven that winning on the NCAA level is not a fluke, that he is 1724 01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:24,400 legit. And I mean that's kind of what 1725 01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:28,320 we had talked about last week when thinking about Jacoby Tharp 1726 01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:31,160 and how he's going to do in a hurdle field of professionals is 1727 01:38:31,160 --> 01:38:34,960 it is just different doing it when you are the best versus 1728 01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:36,880 when you're with other guys at the same caliber. 1729 01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:40,120 So he proved that he is the real deal. 1730 01:38:41,680 --> 01:38:44,840 But if I could also just quickly point out because Shane Thompson 1731 01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:46,840 has not raced since April 4th head. 1732 01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:49,720 Scratcher a little bit right because what pretty He opened up 1733 01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:52,320 and ran 1 Jamaica meet and then that was it. 1734 01:38:54,040 --> 01:38:55,040 I think that's what we've seen of him. 1735 01:38:55,320 --> 01:38:58,160 So yeah, outdoors, yeah, obviously Randwell indoors, but 1736 01:38:58,600 --> 01:38:59,920 and now. Maybe you give him a little bit 1737 01:38:59,920 --> 01:39:02,480 of a grace beard because his coach just passed away. 1738 01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:08,320 But yeah, I mean, he's been Mia for the most part so. 1739 01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:11,040 So I'm a. Marcel Jacobs guy I think might 1740 01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:14,160 be the number one guy everyone's chasing. 1741 01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:17,200 Big. Team Marcel Guy I've I would 1742 01:39:17,200 --> 01:39:19,560 love to see what the. Odds are in Marcel to meddle at 1743 01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:21,240 the World Ultimate Championship I'm taking. 1744 01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:25,120 It taking it if he came in fifth in 2024 after the season he was 1745 01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:29,960 having based like after any regular season, whatever his 1746 01:39:29,960 --> 01:39:32,920 regular season is, he's a playoff guy. 1747 01:39:32,920 --> 01:39:37,440 By 10, he's a playoff guy. He's winning Europeans and then 1748 01:39:37,440 --> 01:39:39,520 he's going to get injured by the time world ultimates come 1749 01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:40,120 around. Don't. 1750 01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:43,080 Say that, Don't. Say that that's his strategy 1751 01:39:43,080 --> 01:39:48,000 with his old. Coach he It's a new year, so. 1752 01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:51,000 Yeah. All right, I want to quickly 1753 01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:55,880 just gloss over some of these other spring performances 'cause 1754 01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:58,720 I want to talk about the Friday distance races a little bit. 1755 01:39:59,160 --> 01:40:01,800 Maasai didn't get the world record another 12. 1756 01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:04,000 No. What is it, 13? 1757 01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:06,560 Two, right? The what an opening? 1758 01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:09,400 How come you didn't say didn't get the world record to everyone 1759 01:40:09,400 --> 01:40:11,680 else? Look at. 1760 01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:14,720 This one I think was one that this is where we were fully 1761 01:40:14,720 --> 01:40:16,520 expecting it to happen and then it it. 1762 01:40:16,600 --> 01:40:20,520 Ann Myers. No world record, Melissa. 1763 01:40:20,680 --> 01:40:24,600 No world record. The whole meet. 1764 01:40:24,600 --> 01:40:26,160 No world record. No. 1765 01:40:26,160 --> 01:40:30,600 World two mile No world record. We did say that about the Two 1766 01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:31,760 Mile, to be fair. Yeah, we. 1767 01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:36,400 Did say that about the two mile yeah but with with with Messiah, 1768 01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:41,400 I guess it was just like so hyped up for this one but great 1769 01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:44,960 result I think all things considered it was her and Toby 1770 01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:47,640 Amazon. So I loved how close Toby was in 1771 01:40:47,640 --> 01:40:49,960 just sort of like, if this record is going to go down, 1772 01:40:49,960 --> 01:40:51,680 you're going to have to get through me first. 1773 01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:56,280 And so, yeah. Did you see Messiah's tweet at 1774 01:40:56,280 --> 01:40:57,840 somebody? I think like someone said, it's 1775 01:40:57,840 --> 01:41:01,920 like, oh, it was something about celebrating and she like being. 1776 01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:03,480 Cocky And yeah, someone was calling. 1777 01:41:03,480 --> 01:41:05,800 Yeah, they said. Like, oh, she's too cocky and 1778 01:41:05,800 --> 01:41:08,000 she just put the person like right in their place. 1779 01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:15,520 Here, I got it right here it was the person said very cocky 1780 01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:17,040 athlete. Yes, she could still get the 1781 01:41:17,040 --> 01:41:19,680 world record, but the way she's going about it, question mark. 1782 01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:22,520 And then Messiah said you celebrate too much, you're 1783 01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:25,720 cocky, you don't celebrate it at all and you have no personality. 1784 01:41:25,720 --> 01:41:27,720 Y'all criticize everything and then some. 1785 01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:30,000 Just sit back and enjoy the show and it's like. 1786 01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:34,040 I love that. I. 1787 01:41:34,080 --> 01:41:40,960 Think Messiah has an extremely accurate and fair understanding 1788 01:41:40,960 --> 01:41:46,120 of how good she is like and doesn't hide it and I love it, 1789 01:41:46,440 --> 01:41:47,760 no. She carries herself the way A 1790 01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:50,600 championship should a champion should. 1791 01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:54,560 And like, not enough people, I guess 'cause maybe more people 1792 01:41:54,560 --> 01:41:56,560 are on Instagram and some people are still left on Twitter. 1793 01:41:56,560 --> 01:42:00,120 But none of the people I think get see that side of her on 1794 01:42:00,120 --> 01:42:01,320 TikTok. And I think that's where she 1795 01:42:01,320 --> 01:42:04,320 showcases it the most. It's like she knows she's good 1796 01:42:04,360 --> 01:42:08,160 and she's not afraid to vocalize that she is the best. 1797 01:42:08,160 --> 01:42:13,320 And I love that. I think this is sort of like the 1798 01:42:13,320 --> 01:42:16,680 way she she does. It is, I think, how Noah Lyles 1799 01:42:16,680 --> 01:42:21,720 thinks he carries himself, but it just comes across so much 1800 01:42:21,720 --> 01:42:25,480 better from Messiah I think. Of you get what I'm saying? 1801 01:42:25,480 --> 01:42:27,040 Right. Yeah. 1802 01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:32,800 I mean, I don't know if I it's very natural for Messiah, yes. 1803 01:42:32,920 --> 01:42:39,240 It does and it's it's not like she's not trying to do this. 1804 01:42:39,640 --> 01:42:42,560 Noah is very strategic about being an entertainer. 1805 01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:45,280 Messiah is just straight up born an entertainer. 1806 01:42:45,920 --> 01:42:48,720 And I would say, and that's fair. 1807 01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:50,840 Like I, I don't fault Noah for that at all. 1808 01:42:50,840 --> 01:42:53,040 I think that's what makes him interesting and fun to watch. 1809 01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:57,200 But like Messiah is just the ultimate American. 1810 01:42:57,480 --> 01:43:03,560 Like she she is America and pre. I don't know if you guys would 1811 01:43:03,560 --> 01:43:08,280 love a Messiah as much as we love a Messiah. 1812 01:43:09,400 --> 01:43:11,160 What's the what? You have a lot of sayings. 1813 01:43:11,160 --> 01:43:14,800 There's one about the tallest poppy and stop it. 1814 01:43:15,200 --> 01:43:16,840 I'm flagging that this is a fake one. 1815 01:43:19,080 --> 01:43:21,000 What's the saying I? Don't. 1816 01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:23,160 I don't, I don't know that one. Well, I do know that. 1817 01:43:23,280 --> 01:43:26,440 I do know it's Paul Poppy. Syndrome like that, You cut down 1818 01:43:26,560 --> 01:43:30,360 people cut down whoever is the tallest poppy or whatever, No. 1819 01:43:30,360 --> 01:43:32,360 Way that's not real. Yeah, it is. 1820 01:43:32,440 --> 01:43:34,480 Yeah, it is. We haven't got the exact words 1821 01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:35,720 right, but that is a real. It's a. 1822 01:43:35,720 --> 01:43:40,000 Term originated in Australia and New Zealand that refers to 1823 01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:42,320 people with notable public success or achievements that are 1824 01:43:42,880 --> 01:43:45,840 ostracized by others as a form of eagle terianism. 1825 01:43:45,840 --> 01:43:48,000 Intense scrutiny and criticism of such a person is termed as 1826 01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:52,840 cutting down the tall poppy. But in America, we celebrate it. 1827 01:43:52,920 --> 01:43:57,600 And Messiah is the ultimate American 250 years in. 1828 01:43:57,600 --> 01:44:02,320 So yeah, she's, she's a, she's crushing it. 1829 01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:04,960 She looked amazing. I love that she's running 12/2 1830 01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:07,560 and unhappy. I mean, last time was it in LA, 1831 01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:09,920 she ran 12/2 and just like jogged across the line. 1832 01:44:10,600 --> 01:44:12,400 Like she let up early because she was like, I'm not going to 1833 01:44:12,400 --> 01:44:17,920 break it. It's coming at some point, it's 1834 01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:20,120 coming home. It's coming home with the world 1835 01:44:20,120 --> 01:44:22,720 record. Would you rather Masai break the 1836 01:44:22,720 --> 01:44:25,800 world record or the US beat Belgium tonight? 1837 01:44:27,200 --> 01:44:32,600 Masai breaks the world record. Correct, that's a real track fan 1838 01:44:32,600 --> 01:44:38,040 pre. Other Sprint results on the 1839 01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:40,800 men's 110 hurdles. We kind of touched on this one. 1840 01:44:40,880 --> 01:44:44,320 Jamal Britt, kudos to you, Kyle. I think you called this one that 1841 01:44:44,600 --> 01:44:48,680 you you thought he would get the victory he did, like over Jacoby 1842 01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:52,080 Tharp ruins the guy's pro debut. What's that? 1843 01:44:52,120 --> 01:44:54,880 I just wanted. To say right, both Jamal Britt 1844 01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:57,440 and Jacoby Tharp are putting together all time seasons. 1845 01:44:57,680 --> 01:45:00,040 Oh yeah. Like in terms of number of sub 1846 01:45:00,040 --> 01:45:04,280 thirteens, Grant Holloway has broken broken 13 seconds 12 1847 01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:08,840 times his entire career. The only year he has gone sub 13 1848 01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:12,280 more than four times. He's done it five times. 1849 01:45:12,280 --> 01:45:16,000 In was in 2024. Jamal Britt in his early July, 1850 01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:19,640 he's already done it four times. Kobe Tharp has already done it 1851 01:45:19,640 --> 01:45:21,280 three times. But obviously he's at the end of 1852 01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:24,200 an NCAA season, so we'll have to see how the rest of his season 1853 01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:26,920 pans out. But like both of them could go 1854 01:45:26,920 --> 01:45:31,240 on to have all time seasons obviously that I feel like. 1855 01:45:31,240 --> 01:45:33,960 Jamal Britt raced more than an NCAA season, so yeah, I mean, 1856 01:45:33,960 --> 01:45:36,760 he's. He's this was his 32nd race 1857 01:45:36,760 --> 01:45:40,040 including heat of the year, including indoors and and 1858 01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:42,520 outdoors. So he has raced an insane number 1859 01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:46,160 of times already, but. Yeah, it's actually PB like. 1860 01:45:46,160 --> 01:45:49,960 Seven or eight times I, I'm sure. 1861 01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:54,520 If I ran, it's crazy. If I ran 200 hurdle races, I'm 1862 01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:56,280 sure I would accidentally break 13. 1863 01:45:56,280 --> 01:46:01,040 A few of them you ain't lucky a couple times. 1864 01:46:02,200 --> 01:46:04,080 He's just a compiler, right? Like he just. 1865 01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:08,880 Yeah. So that was the men's 110 1866 01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:12,440 hurdles. Let's see, what else do we got? 1867 01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:20,160 Quick shout out to if you want your field events fixed you go 1868 01:46:20,160 --> 01:46:23,840 to the polythro show. I'm just going to do 11 field 1869 01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:25,720 event shout out, which is the long jump. 1870 01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:30,800 Tara Davis Woodall 713 really consistent but number two behind 1871 01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:33,640 a 712 that's closest. Tara Davis Woodall has been 1872 01:46:33,640 --> 01:46:37,200 challenged. Larissa Yapakina of Italy breaks 1873 01:46:37,200 --> 01:46:41,360 her mother well, former world champion Fiona Mays Italian 1874 01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:43,840 national record as well and finally does it. 1875 01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:47,320 So that was quite a cool little storyline that was kind of in 1876 01:46:47,320 --> 01:46:51,920 the background of of that event. But her dad still do her. 1877 01:46:51,920 --> 01:46:55,040 Her mom's got multiple medals. Yeah, she's multiple. 1878 01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:56,720 Yeah. Yeah, multiple medals. 1879 01:46:56,760 --> 01:46:58,880 I was. After I saw this performance, I 1880 01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:05,200 went on Larissa, yeah, Pacino's page, and I was like looking she 1881 01:47:05,200 --> 01:47:07,280 has not performed well at at championships yet. 1882 01:47:07,280 --> 01:47:09,360 I mean, she's still really young, but. 1883 01:47:09,520 --> 01:47:11,560 Like she's, she got her medal at world. 1884 01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:13,520 Yeah, she got her medal at World Indoors. 1885 01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:16,120 But yeah, she's, she's consistently been really, really 1886 01:47:16,120 --> 01:47:18,640 good on the circuit over the last couple of years. 1887 01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:22,600 And it like, yeah, she won a medal at World Indoors, but she 1888 01:47:22,600 --> 01:47:25,080 hasn't quite been able to put it together at championships. 1889 01:47:25,360 --> 01:47:27,720 She. Should learn something from her 1890 01:47:27,720 --> 01:47:31,920 Italian teammate Marcel Jacobs, who's a playoff performer. 1891 01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:35,960 Like he might give her a good tip or two about like, hey, this 1892 01:47:35,960 --> 01:47:37,680 is how you show up in championships. 1893 01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:39,880 What if? In two years, she wins the 1894 01:47:39,880 --> 01:47:41,800 Olympics. Yeah, yeah. 1895 01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:47,680 In the 100. Hey, hey, we've seen that. 1896 01:47:47,680 --> 01:47:49,240 Before. We've seen that before. 1897 01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:51,640 Yeah, well. I I wanted to see Tara Davis 1898 01:47:51,640 --> 01:47:53,840 Woodell in this Haddlesfield. That would have been fun. 1899 01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:55,400 I don't know why she wasn't in the Haddlesfield. 1900 01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:57,160 That would be more fun than having her in the long jump. 1901 01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:00,600 But. I don't know if we we keep this 1902 01:48:00,600 --> 01:48:05,800 taken, but if we do. Keep it in. 1903 01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:10,400 I want it with that precursor. This is this came up in the 1904 01:48:10,400 --> 01:48:12,400 Sidious Mag chat. Kyle, you know what I'm talking 1905 01:48:12,400 --> 01:48:13,680 about. I don't. 1906 01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:18,880 It was right after Tara Davis Woodall ran that time in LA in 1907 01:48:18,880 --> 01:48:21,680 the hurdles and beat so many people. 1908 01:48:21,840 --> 01:48:26,680 It was like, oh, maybe this isn't as strong of an event 1909 01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:31,800 after all, if someone could just come in on their second event 1910 01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:35,960 and then yeah, supplant a global like global championship 1911 01:48:35,960 --> 01:48:42,000 medalist. I don't know like it was AI 1912 01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:44,000 didn't say it in the chat. I. 1913 01:48:44,280 --> 01:48:48,640 I I feel this. I. 1914 01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:53,600 Feel this way about the 800. Like if Cooper Lukenhaus can run 1915 01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:57,680 142 and he's a junior in high school, it might just not be 1916 01:48:57,680 --> 01:49:03,120 hard. Is that the that's the 1917 01:49:03,120 --> 01:49:07,440 equivalent take. Someone really talented can do 1918 01:49:07,440 --> 01:49:10,840 it, then it's. Just but I think like, I think 1919 01:49:10,840 --> 01:49:13,440 it's kind of equaled out now that we're seeing more people, 1920 01:49:13,560 --> 01:49:21,400 you know, running 12212 three that I don't know. 1921 01:49:21,400 --> 01:49:23,960 I think people jumped to the conclusion of just like, oh, 1922 01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:27,040 Tara Davis Woodall is going to come in and just absolutely 1923 01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:29,560 disrupt the hurdles if she went all in on this thing. 1924 01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:32,160 And it's like, I think we're still a couple steps away from 1925 01:49:32,160 --> 01:49:34,360 something like that happening. One of the questions in the 1926 01:49:34,360 --> 01:49:36,880 press conference was like, do you think that the Olympic 1927 01:49:36,880 --> 01:49:41,160 schedule should be changed to allow for the long jump 100 1928 01:49:41,160 --> 01:49:44,800 hurdles double? And she was like, yes, didn't go 1929 01:49:44,800 --> 01:49:46,400 any further than that. But I think like what? 1930 01:49:46,400 --> 01:49:50,520 What else are you going to say? No, I think that you've got to, 1931 01:49:51,120 --> 01:49:55,200 if you're really that serious about it, 2027, you'd have to go 1932 01:49:55,200 --> 01:50:00,040 out and meddle, win I think the World Championships in order for 1933 01:50:00,560 --> 01:50:02,560 you to get that sort of special treatment. 1934 01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:06,680 So I don't know. I think it's a it's a really 1935 01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:10,600 good, it displays some very impressive versatility. 1936 01:50:10,600 --> 01:50:15,360 But I think like, as the season goes on, we're going to see more 1937 01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:19,760 of the top 100 hurdlers really, I guess like reinstate 1938 01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:21,880 themselves. It's like, oh, no, no, we're a 1939 01:50:22,120 --> 01:50:26,160 very, very good event. All right, just a couple things 1940 01:50:26,160 --> 01:50:31,040 on Friday's events we had, we had the men's mile there, Liam 1941 01:50:31,040 --> 01:50:33,240 Murphy just barely beat out Stefan Nielsen. 1942 01:50:33,320 --> 01:50:35,080 Really good race, fun race to watch. 1943 01:50:35,640 --> 01:50:37,560 Men's 800. Here's where Kyle gets to pat 1944 01:50:37,560 --> 01:50:40,960 himself on the back because I was ready to hand this thing to 1945 01:50:41,080 --> 01:50:44,880 Cooper last week on the pod. And then I was like, Oh yeah. 1946 01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:46,560 And then you got Donovan and Bryce in it. 1947 01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:50,320 And then we almost went the whole segment without mentioning 1948 01:50:50,320 --> 01:50:53,400 Brandon Miller. And Kyle corrected me on that. 1949 01:50:53,400 --> 01:50:56,520 And Brandon Miller ends up beating Cooper. 1950 01:50:56,520 --> 01:51:02,040 Lacking house in 14368. But he did it in a very 1951 01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:06,960 impressive fashion where you had to dig pretty damn deep to make 1952 01:51:06,960 --> 01:51:09,160 up the make up ground on on Cooper. 1953 01:51:09,160 --> 01:51:13,400 So Kyle, take your victory lap. What's that out to you about 1954 01:51:13,440 --> 01:51:16,600 Brandon's performance? 1st, I just want to say, Chris, 1955 01:51:16,920 --> 01:51:20,760 I appreciate the apology. I think that's big of you to, to 1956 01:51:20,760 --> 01:51:22,760 come out and admit when you're wrong on something. 1957 01:51:22,920 --> 01:51:28,200 Of course, gentlemen. With that said, Brandon Miller's 1958 01:51:28,200 --> 01:51:30,520 kick is like. I. 1959 01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:35,760 It just feels like he's playing a video game at the end of the 1960 01:51:35,760 --> 01:51:37,320 race. Like it. 1961 01:51:37,440 --> 01:51:39,960 It's just like, Oh yeah, you just hit the turbo button and he 1962 01:51:39,960 --> 01:51:42,680 just does this crazy thing where he makes it look like everyone 1963 01:51:42,680 --> 01:51:44,920 else is standing still. And yes. 1964 01:51:44,960 --> 01:51:48,480 We're quick to forget that when Brandon Miller was Cooper 1965 01:51:48,480 --> 01:51:51,200 Lackenhouse's age, or when Brandon Miller was even way 1966 01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:54,120 younger than Cooper Lackenhouse's age, he was this 1967 01:51:54,120 --> 01:51:57,200 kid phenom before. And obviously I think the event, 1968 01:51:57,520 --> 01:51:59,240 you know, kind of caught up to him. 1969 01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:02,360 But now he's back to making the case that he's one of the best. 1970 01:52:03,200 --> 01:52:09,520 Yeah, no, it's a great point. I don't know where this kick has 1971 01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:12,200 come from. I only assume it is just. 1972 01:52:12,280 --> 01:52:14,680 I mean, he's he's actually turned into a decent 1500 1973 01:52:14,680 --> 01:52:18,000 runner. He's put up like some decent 1974 01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:20,880 times. And so he's just strong now. 1975 01:52:21,040 --> 01:52:23,400 And I think he's just now confident. 1976 01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:26,160 There was a period of time where he felt like he needed to be at 1977 01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:28,640 the front of every race and now he's he's good at sitting off 1978 01:52:28,640 --> 01:52:31,040 the pace and just closing it down. 1979 01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:36,760 But you know, this was a glimpse into what he's going to be 1980 01:52:36,760 --> 01:52:38,640 capable of in some tactical races. 1981 01:52:38,640 --> 01:52:43,080 And now I would I would love to see we've seen him run some some 1982 01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:45,040 strong races in which he was the class of the field. 1983 01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:51,080 I want to see Brandon now in a a Marco a rope big early move type 1984 01:52:51,080 --> 01:52:53,440 race and see if he can attach and really hold on. 1985 01:52:54,960 --> 01:52:59,440 I was just doing a quick Google search to see if when it was 1986 01:52:59,440 --> 01:53:03,680 Brandon Miller running track in the AAU scene in 2008 when he 1987 01:53:03,680 --> 01:53:07,920 was like 6 years old, because that's when Cooper was born. 1988 01:53:07,920 --> 01:53:10,520 But no, we were, I think, I think just a couple years off 1989 01:53:10,520 --> 01:53:14,400 from oh, Brandon's been doing this as long as Cooper's been 1990 01:53:14,400 --> 01:53:17,280 alive. But no, this is this is good 1991 01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:20,680 Preet. I guess you said Bryce Hoppel's 1992 01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:24,160 going out to Monaco to race. He, yes, he needs to think a 1993 01:53:24,160 --> 01:53:28,840 couple more races because like he was fourth in this 1145. 1994 01:53:28,840 --> 01:53:33,440 We haven't quite seen just sort of 2025 flashes of Bryce Harple, 1995 01:53:33,440 --> 01:53:36,040 yeah. No, we we haven't. 1996 01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:39,000 And yeah, I don't know what we're going to see. 1997 01:53:39,000 --> 01:53:42,000 I mean, Donovan Brazier as well, I think this was actually a 1998 01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:43,120 little bit of a better race for him. 1999 01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:45,760 He just got horribly boxed because he had a fantastic 2000 01:53:45,760 --> 01:53:49,080 close. He he was just boxed from sort 2001 01:53:49,080 --> 01:53:54,000 of, you know, until the last 50 and then he got out and then he 2002 01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:55,800 managed to to close it down really well. 2003 01:53:56,520 --> 01:54:00,640 But he he just didn't, yeah, he just wasn't in in the right 2004 01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:03,840 position. But Brandon Miller went going 2005 01:54:03,840 --> 01:54:08,840 from 9th to 1st. He was ninth, I think 600. 2006 01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:14,520 And yeah, went, went straight to 1st and or was just very 2007 01:54:14,520 --> 01:54:17,280 impressive. But yeah, Donovan and Bryce, 2008 01:54:17,520 --> 01:54:19,400 maybe a few more races for both of them. 2009 01:54:20,120 --> 01:54:23,520 And, and yeah, I don't really know what's up with Bryce, but 2010 01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:25,880 he he does sometimes have a slow start of the season. 2011 01:54:26,120 --> 01:54:29,720 He also does not travel well. So when he then flies over to 2012 01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:32,120 Europe, his first race is always a bit of a shocker. 2013 01:54:32,120 --> 01:54:35,320 I mean, he said it himself. So I'm not kind of accusing him 2014 01:54:35,320 --> 01:54:37,000 unfairly. He's he's admitted it and it's 2015 01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:39,960 normally a second race that that he gets a bit better. 2016 01:54:39,960 --> 01:54:47,640 So he might need a couple of races to try and get get, you 2017 01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:49,200 know, to show some show some shape. 2018 01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:56,520 Real quick, Faith Shreddich won the steeple 851 and won the duel 2019 01:54:56,520 --> 01:55:01,560 against Winfred Yavi. Encouraging result by Emma 2020 01:55:01,560 --> 01:55:06,440 Coburn, who was ninth and 9:15 just behind Lexi Halliday. 2021 01:55:08,040 --> 01:55:10,880 Those are the top two Americans and then Gabby Jennings right 2022 01:55:10,880 --> 01:55:15,600 behind Emma Coburn. So that'll be USA is shaping up 2023 01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:20,680 to be the event, I think for a lot of those athletes, and I 2024 01:55:20,720 --> 01:55:26,320 think that's all I've got from the pre classic according to 2025 01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:28,160 this. Oh, the two mile. 2026 01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:33,560 The. Two mile where this one a lot of 2027 01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:35,360 people got caught up and just sort of like, oh, it's going to 2028 01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:36,960 be how many sub eights are we going to see? 2029 01:55:36,960 --> 01:55:41,920 And it's like sub 8 is pretty damn hard in the in the two 2030 01:55:41,920 --> 01:55:45,160 mile. And so pace lagged just a little 2031 01:55:45,160 --> 01:55:49,600 bit and ended up being just a great race. 2032 01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:54,160 Parker Wolf ends up beating the likes of Grant Fisher in this 2033 01:55:54,160 --> 01:55:57,480 one. Mohamed Abdelahi, who Kyle 2034 01:55:57,480 --> 01:56:00,880 called out last week would be 1 to watch, was second. 2035 01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:05,800 Andreas Almgren was fourth. So solid race. 2036 01:56:05,800 --> 01:56:09,280 We'll see some of these guys doubling back for USAS. 2037 01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:12,520 And oh, and then there was Kevin a Shippy beating Rye. 2038 01:56:12,520 --> 01:56:18,160 Benjamin Rye out of Lane 9 ends up just, he was in the lead for 2039 01:56:18,240 --> 01:56:20,880 quite a bit of it. And then Kevin and Shippy just 2040 01:56:20,880 --> 01:56:25,040 closed harder. But I said Rye would Kevin and 2041 01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:29,560 Shippy would win the battle and Rye will win the war in Budapest 2042 01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:33,560 in the 800. So I'm holding firm on my my 2043 01:56:33,560 --> 01:56:36,200 prediction for Rye as World ultimate champion in the 400. 2044 01:56:38,200 --> 01:56:40,280 Oh yeah, that's it. Pre really quick. 2045 01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:42,720 What? What are you looking forward to 2046 01:56:42,720 --> 01:56:46,320 out in Monaco later this week? Yeah. 2047 01:56:46,320 --> 01:56:50,480 So we've got Emmanuel Wang Yoni in 1000 meters chasing what I 2048 01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:53,720 assume will be the world record. I don't know if we will get our 2049 01:56:53,720 --> 01:56:55,880 first sighting of Jamal Sajati in that race. 2050 01:56:55,880 --> 01:56:59,400 He is on the start list. And then we've got Bryce Apple, 2051 01:56:59,400 --> 01:57:04,040 Atawi Habs, Jake Whiteman all in that race. 2052 01:57:04,040 --> 01:57:08,920 So could be could be an interesting one in the 400 2053 01:57:08,920 --> 01:57:10,560 cabinet. Shippy's running it back, but 2054 01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:15,120 he's facing off against Bap and Dory Nene, Dream Richards. 2055 01:57:15,120 --> 01:57:19,560 So you've got medallists from from Worlds last year. 2056 01:57:19,560 --> 01:57:21,640 And yeah, so I think at the full podium there. 2057 01:57:21,640 --> 01:57:25,880 So that's a pretty good race. The. 2058 01:57:25,960 --> 01:57:32,480 Women's 3K Faith Kipyegon, Nadia Battacletti, Jess Hall, Agnes 2059 01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:37,000 and Getich and for any Hilu are the headliners of that race so 2060 01:57:37,560 --> 01:57:40,400 that could and Bouquet, who just won the two mile here as well 2061 01:57:40,400 --> 01:57:41,680 and has been running really well this season. 2062 01:57:41,680 --> 01:57:45,640 So and then of course no Americans and the other 2063 01:57:45,640 --> 01:57:49,680 intriguing person is the Olympic triathlon champion Cassandra 2064 01:57:49,680 --> 01:57:53,760 Bogrand, who recently ran the French record over 5K on the 2065 01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:57,960 roads. So she's an intriguing was it? 2066 01:57:57,960 --> 01:57:59,640 Alex, is he also supposed to race this? 2067 01:57:59,640 --> 01:58:02,120 Yes. So he's running the men's 5K 2068 01:58:02,400 --> 01:58:06,920 alongside Jimmy Gressier, Kai Robinson, Binyu Mahari. 2069 01:58:07,800 --> 01:58:09,080 Oh nice. Mahari is back in action. 2070 01:58:09,200 --> 01:58:13,480 And yeah, Grand Blancs is there, so yeah, Isaac Kameli. 2071 01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:16,640 So yeah, that's that's a decent 5K. 2072 01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:20,720 But the to be fair that the height and the headline race of 2073 01:58:20,720 --> 01:58:24,000 this meet is the women's 200 meters, Julian Alfred versus 2074 01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:28,520 Deja Hodge versus Gabby Thomas. Is is really that the headline 2075 01:58:28,520 --> 01:58:33,720 race of the me And also, you know, recent sub 22 performer 2076 01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:36,680 Canberra Sturgis and also Kayla White, who's run 22 over the 2077 01:58:36,680 --> 01:58:38,760 season. So that's a really, really 2078 01:58:38,760 --> 01:58:43,360 loaded 200m field. And then the men's hundred is 2079 01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:46,880 Jordan Anthony oblique Seville to BOGO. 2080 01:58:47,560 --> 01:58:49,400 Who? Seems to be racing like just 2081 01:58:49,400 --> 01:58:51,880 nonstop like he hasn't stopped racing get. 2082 01:58:51,880 --> 01:58:54,160 That money get. That money and then Lamont 2083 01:58:54,160 --> 01:58:57,080 Marcel Jacobs. So we'll get to see what his 2084 01:58:57,240 --> 01:58:59,920 9.67 shape looks. It's the regular. 2085 01:58:59,920 --> 01:59:00,840 Season. Don't buy into it. 2086 01:59:00,840 --> 01:59:04,880 It's the regular season so far. So. 2087 01:59:05,320 --> 01:59:09,240 Yeah, So that's yeah, those those are probably the the the 2088 01:59:09,240 --> 01:59:13,280 big races and the 400 meters Paulino versus designate Oakley 2089 01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:16,920 is the kind of match up that I'm looking forward to as well to 2090 01:59:16,920 --> 01:59:21,280 see how that shapes up as well. And Mondo is a resident of 2091 01:59:21,280 --> 01:59:24,120 Monaco, so they put on a special non Diamond League pole vault 2092 01:59:24,160 --> 01:59:25,720 just for him. So. 2093 01:59:26,800 --> 01:59:28,480 Some other meets taking place all throughout the weekend. 2094 01:59:28,480 --> 01:59:32,280 You got Ed Murphy Classic. You've got this is I think also 2095 01:59:32,280 --> 01:59:34,800 the start of a little bit of the European circuit. 2096 01:59:34,800 --> 01:59:36,880 Is are Morton games also this weekend, Kyle? 2097 01:59:36,880 --> 01:59:40,160 Yeah, you have. Cork and Morton. 2 great meets 2098 01:59:41,440 --> 01:59:44,320 we got to find the way to get out to the Morton games again 2099 01:59:44,600 --> 01:59:48,880 going. Next month, bad timing and then. 2100 01:59:48,880 --> 01:59:52,000 Sunset Tour, it is taking place out in California this weekend 2101 01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:55,160 as well, so lots of track to follow along. 2102 01:59:55,240 --> 01:59:57,960 Stay up on all of it. Follow along Sidious Mag on all 2103 01:59:57,960 --> 02:00:01,760 of our social channels. But that does it for this week 2104 02:00:01,760 --> 02:00:03,480 in track and field. Thanks everyone for listening. 2105 02:00:03,480 --> 02:00:08,280 We'll catch you guys next week. All right, that's a wrap on 2106 02:00:08,280 --> 02:00:10,520 today's episode. Thanks for listening, for the 2107 02:00:10,520 --> 02:00:13,520 time, the curiosity, and for making this show part of your 2108 02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:16,600 routine or your run. A big thanks to our producer 2109 02:00:16,600 --> 02:00:19,480 Jasmine Fair, and to everyone behind the scenes who helps make 2110 02:00:19,480 --> 02:00:22,640 the Sidious Mag podcast happen. 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We're back with Bandits Head of 2117 02:00:42,160 --> 02:00:45,760 Experiences Tim Rossi for more on Bandits Unsponsored project. 2118 02:00:47,000 --> 02:00:50,920 So when we look at the roster of athletes who have come through 2119 02:00:50,920 --> 02:00:55,640 the unsponsored project, in certain cases athletes graduate 2120 02:00:55,680 --> 02:01:00,160 and then they go on and get professional contracts for from 2121 02:01:00,240 --> 02:01:03,760 major sportswear and footwear companies. 2122 02:01:04,400 --> 02:01:06,520 What is that process been like over the last couple years? 2123 02:01:06,640 --> 02:01:08,360 Yeah. It's been really, really cool to 2124 02:01:08,360 --> 02:01:10,560 see. It's part of what we talk about 2125 02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:12,880 as success of the Unsponsored Project. 2126 02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:15,560 We want to get to the point where Bandit will have athletes 2127 02:01:15,560 --> 02:01:18,800 in the future, but right now the Unsponsored Project is our 2128 02:01:18,800 --> 02:01:22,600 primary athlete support mechanism and we want people to 2129 02:01:22,600 --> 02:01:26,000 be able to go and get those full time long term sponsorship 2130 02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:27,640 deals. So at this point, over the three 2131 02:01:27,640 --> 02:01:31,560 years, we've had 11 total people of the roughly 100 that we've 2132 02:01:31,560 --> 02:01:34,280 supported as part of the unsponsored project go and get 2133 02:01:34,280 --> 02:01:36,760 signed by a variety of different brands. 2134 02:01:37,280 --> 02:01:38,600 And it's different every single time. 2135 02:01:38,600 --> 02:01:41,680 I often times like to go back to Trevor Bassett, who made the 2136 02:01:41,680 --> 02:01:45,480 Olympics in 2024, was an unsponsored project athlete when 2137 02:01:45,480 --> 02:01:48,240 competing in Eugene. And then the next year, we 2138 02:01:48,240 --> 02:01:51,040 actually were supporting Trevor on an extended unsponsored 2139 02:01:51,040 --> 02:01:55,640 project style support contract. And he gave me a call in March 2140 02:01:55,640 --> 02:01:57,280 or April. I can't remember exactly what 2141 02:01:57,280 --> 02:02:00,800 month it was, but he's like, hey, Adidas is offering me a 2142 02:02:00,800 --> 02:02:02,040 deal. I'm like, hell yeah, dude, 2143 02:02:02,040 --> 02:02:04,440 that's super, super awesome. That's exactly what we want. 2144 02:02:05,120 --> 02:02:08,360 And now he's still competing under the Adidas umbrella. 2145 02:02:08,360 --> 02:02:10,080 And it it's really, really amazing to see. 2146 02:02:10,880 --> 02:02:13,320 We'll have more on Bandits Unsponsored project in the 2147 02:02:13,320 --> 02:02:16,320 coming weeks on the CD Smack podcast and in the Lab Count 2148 02:02:16,320 --> 02:02:16,840 newsletter.